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Warren

To Jenny Lynch, Glen McDonald, Maryana Garcia, Micheal Neilson, Claire Trevett and any other wannabe Journalists in the Media who continue to push and create a witchhunt over Sam Uffindell not being fit to be a MP and also smearing the National Party Opposition Leader for the full report not being made public you sure have short
memories.
To through your toys out the window because the whole report made by Maria Dew was not released shows what absolute Hypocrites Labour and the Media are, what happened over the Young Labour Summer Camp debacle and the cover up of the sexual assault that happened their. Then tell us where the report from the sexual deviate out of the Prime Minister’s Office went that interns believe was rape.
But no Grant Robertson our Deputy Prime Minister creates a smear on Chris Luxon releasing the Dew repot on the day of Queens Burial and Labour the Media go full moon because they are not allowed to see the full report.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/sam-uffindell-cleared-by-report-but-national-s-refusing-to-release-it.html
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September 20, 2022 8:04am
- Tricati
  
  Robertson is a hypocrite to smear Luxon over releasing the report on the day of the Queen’s funeral, when Ardern released the news all covid restrictions where being lifted the day the Queen died. And don’t forget releasing that Mallard is resigning and taking up a overseas post 5:45 pm so it wouldn’t make the 6pm news – The fact mallard resigned and the appointment of new speaker held over parliament for a day, at a time Dr Sharma was to speak over his expulsion form the Labour caucus – Absolute arseholes.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:28am
  - Ruawai
    
    Ardern had to remove all mask wearing as she knew the people of NZ would see no masks being worn in the UK on TV coverage of the Queens death and her loyal followers might think they have been tricked.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:37am
- Harry Knuts
  
  and the MSM wonder why they lack credibility. they must be really scared to lose their 55mil.
  Young Labour Youth Camp – swept under the rug by the PM?? WTF
  Trevor Mallard – repeat offender, full support of the PM?? WTF
  the one-eyed MSM is living up to their tabloid red reputation.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:43am
- redeye
  
  Kirsty Johnston say’s that it’s ok because labour released their Terms of Reference and some summary put together by a comms team you and I paid for.
  https://twitter.com/kirsty_johnston/status/1571802852666011648
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:55am
  - Bullion
    
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    Kirsty makes good points, none of which we will ever like find out due to the lack of transparency shown here by National.
    
    If what is found that what was reported in the media was wrong, would National be making a case with the Media Council for a correction/retraction and apology?
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:00am
    - Jack5
      
      Nope, it’s a pro-Labour pile-on by Ardern’s subsidised media.
      
      It parallels Stuff’s report of the Queen’s funeral. The headline: “Ardern at the Queen’s funeral: ‘I will never in my lifetime ever witness anything like this’.”
      
      Expect a year of this Labour bias ahead of the general election.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:23am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Ok, so reading what I could about what happened I’ve found the following:
      
      No additional complaints came forward (this is a huge one as it destroys the habitual bully narrative).
      There was a breakdown of the flat with bad blood on both sides.
      14 people were interviewed.
      What happened according to the statements from the “victim” were significantly different from any of the witnesses.
      
      So what else do you actually need? The names of the witnesses? We have all pertinent information.
      
      As I have stated Maria Dew, KC is a Labour appointed employment law KC that Labour like to use for their reviews. She took longer than expected to complete her report and honestly, I think it’s wishful thinking to think she didn’t look at this from every possible angle. If she didn’t find anything, it’s unlikely there was anything to find.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:50am
      - Bullion
        
        Here, copied and pasted Kirsty’s thread, which I think make fair comments on the process.
        
        Im finding it very difficult to know if this is fair or not given we don’t even know what the terms of reference were; who was interviewed; who wasn’t; and what the report found happened (as opposed to what didn’t happen)
        
        The lack of transparency is ironic (at best) given National have gone on and on and on about Labour and transparency for the last five years
        
        And another question: what’s the evidential standard? Like are we talking court-level here? Are we talking “on balance”? There’s no way to even measure what “proved” means in this context
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:02am
      - I remember when
        
        Another accidental “Report.”
        Are we to presume that the Uffindell report is the least transparent that Kirsty has seen –
        in the last five years.
        during the present Labour government’s term.
        in the last year.
        in the last week.
        
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        September 20, 2022 2:52pm
    - redeye
      
      Kirsty can make as many points as she likes but at the end of the day she was ok with Labour not releasing their review on their youth camp sex scandal, but she’ll write endless bits on this.
      
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      September 20, 2022 11:30am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Labour almost certainly have the report but there’s nothing damning in it so the only political play is to attack National over not releasing it.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:58am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Labour will not have the Report. Dew KC is very professional about her responsibilities to her client.
    
    She will have sent certain extracts of the Report to specific people for comment. It would be possible for Labour to have these extracts, but these will be nowhere near the full Report.
    
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    September 20, 2022 11:22am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      You realise National leak like a sieve right? It’s highly likely the report has made it’s way into Labour’s hands.
      
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      September 20, 2022 1:27pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        You clearly do not know how something like this is managed.
        
        Quite clearly the KC will be keeping everything she has done confidential on the basis of client privilege.
        
        The only other people who would have seen the Report are the members of the National Party Board (9 people, including the Leader and the Senior Whip) and Sam Uffindell.
        
        None of these people would have shown the report to anyone else. They would all take their responsibilities on this very seriously.
        
        In any event leaks take place when a political party is on a downward trend and people turn against each other. This is not the current situation with National.
        
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        September 20, 2022 1:56pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Wayne – National are absolutely clueless when it comes to dirty politics. It comes from most of them not spending a lifetime in politics.
        
        It has proven again and again to result in individuals making really stupid decisions (like leaking info) with the belief it’ll somehow benefit them, regardless of how the party is faring.
        
        Remember Roger “Merv” Bridge?
        
        I just don’t have any faith in these people not doing something foolish. Remember Hamish Walker? – he leaked info thinking he was doing the right thing.
        
        I get that you trust them but I make it a rule not to trust anyone involved in politics.
        
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        September 20, 2022 3:05pm
    - Bullion
      
      It appears that the contents of this report have been not widely available;
      
      National MPs met to discuss Sam Uffindell’s future with their caucus, but they were not given the report – or even its executive summary – discussing his conduct and allegations of bullying.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129935278/national-mps-werent-shown-sam-uffindell-report-or-summary
      
      National leader Chris Luxon says even Sam Uffindell has not seen the full Maria Dew KC report into allegations about his own behaviour.
      
      https://twitter.com/dahmenaaron/status/1572059595300020225
      
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      September 20, 2022 3:48pm
- 2ic
  
  These so-called journalists who are still trying to smear Unffindell have had 5 weeks to do their own investigation into the accusations against him.
  
  Has it occurred to them that maybe they should get of their arses and do some real work? It’s what we used to call ‘investigative journalism’.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:03am
  - Nickc2
    
    Perhaps they did do their own investigations but the results didn’t coincide with their own and their employers’ agenda eh?
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:12am
- RoboRob
  
  So National have a problem MP. They ‘suspend him’ and do an independent investigation with a highly regarded QC. According to the media that’s a Luxon / National party fail.
  
  Labour have a problem MP. The problem MP wants an independent investigation. Labour refuse and sack him. JA did the right thing, no further media coverage required.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Does National have a problem? Or does the country have a problem with national media co-opted on to the State payroll alongside State TV and State Radio?
    
    The media will be frantic in the next 12 months to divert voters’ attention from soaring inflation.
    
    The media must distract voters from the pain of leaping living costs – or lose near-survival help from Ardern.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:32am
  - pdm
    
    Correction Robo.
    
    Labour have problem MP’s – plural.
    
    Mallard ex MP now off to Ireland.
    McAnulty – allegedly bullies junior Labour MP’s.
    Lorck – allegedly bullies her staff x2.
    Labour whips – allegedly bully junior Labour MPs.
    Arderns Office staff – allegedly bully junior MPs.
    
    Probably 6 months work for a competent investigator and they are only the ones that quickly come to mind.
    
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    September 20, 2022 1:04pm
    - igm
      
      McNulty evidently has a skeleton in the domestic closet also.
      
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      September 20, 2022 1:20pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        I’ve spoken to someone who has had direct dealings with McAnulty, and he has confirmed those rumours to me…
        
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        September 20, 2022 2:04pm
- peterwn
  
  And did not Labour people or those close to them chose to announce the claims against Sam deliberately to take the gloss off the National Party Conference and Chris Luxon’s keynote speech.
  There is more water to flow yet. Although he has been reinstated Chris may have read him his ‘horoscope’ (a Royal Navy expression where a sailor is called in for a dressing down and told he has no future in the Navy – like the Army’s ‘meeting without coffee’). Sam will fairly soon have to convince the National Party members in Tauranga that he should be able to stand again in 2023 and can win the seat again despite his Kings handicap. Also the Party’s list ranking group will need to determine whether he gets a ‘normal’ ranking (which would at least see him returned as a list member) or push him way down the list.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:17am
- surfing
  
  That’s just politics. I think the story is over, people are not interested. Luxon handled it well.
  
  Personally, I’ll vote Act/Act in future. Uffindell is very mediocre.
  
  Act are the only party who can really fix this country … unfortunately, they’ll never have enough votes in our very left leaning nation.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Uffindell is very mediocre.
    
    is he?
    
    Or is the fact that he is a specialist in Financial Crime investigations a threat to Labour?
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:00am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I see nothing wrong with Uffindell. His past is behind him and he has made a lot of his life, but the Labour whores, the MSM, will still hound him until it starts to go negative on them.
      He’ll get my electorate vote, and then see how he performs.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:31am
      - Paulus
        
        Me too !
        
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        September 20, 2022 1:12pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      hahah good point! well done Maggie. perhaps you’ve hit the nail on the head here.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:41am
    - surfing
      
      Unfortunately all of the financial crimes being committed by labour are completely legal .
      
      They are wasting billions on non-productive spending.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:57am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Unfortunately all of the financial crimes being committed by labour are completely legal .
        
        Is that so?
        
        When Ministers have no idea where the $$$$$$ have gone, you’ve got to consider the possibility that all may not be above board.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-wants-auditor-general-to-look-at-mental-health-spending/WN7WFKN7LS76N2AVF7WRWXESCM/
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/474894/treasury-rips-into-oranga-tamariki-for-loose-fiscal-controls
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:44am
      - I remember when
        
        “he has made a lot of his life”
        Is this the problem for Labour, if you don’t do much you can’t get much wrong.
        
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        September 20, 2022 3:00pm
      - peterwn
        
        They are completely ‘legal’ because of the Golden Rule – ‘He who has the gold makes the rules’ – yes, that means you Robbo.
        
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        September 20, 2022 4:31pm
- Bullion
  
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  National have fallen short on the level of transparency that Labour have shown in the past:
  
  There are several precedents for these sorts of reports being redacted and then released – the bullying allegations against Labour Minister Meka Whaitiri and the Labour youth summer camp scandal both resulted in at least some of the timeline and findings being publicly released.
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/luxon-not-keen-on-uffindell-report-seeing-light-of-day
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:54am
  - peterwn
    
    That may be so, but Labour has displayed a serious lack of transparency when it comes to its policies and actions as the Government.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:02am
    - Bullion
      
      Does the actions of National fill you with confidence they will be transparent when they are next in Govt?
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:30am
      - Ghost
        
        Far more transparent than this corrupt government we have
        
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        September 20, 2022 10:32am
      - peterwn
        
        That is a secondary issue. It is democracy which is at stake. Labour is moving towards a regime where some people are more equal than others with its separatism policies. And Labour did not announce as policy what it was up to in the 2020 election. That was a grave lack of transparency.
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:14am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        National haven’t promised to be the most transparent Government ever Bullion. So there’s that I guess.
        
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        September 20, 2022 12:56pm
      - Bullion
        
        @In Vino Veritas
        
        Sure, no one likes a hypocrite but I would hope that people’s view on transparency would be more principled.
        
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        September 20, 2022 1:18pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        G’day there mate – you’ll be disappointed to know that Kiwibloggers are by now quite used to Labour trolls / hacks coming on when Labour is on the rack and trying to destabilise what is clearly a centre right forum. The give away is that they all know each other by handle and when a new handle appears and spouts pro Labour nonsense they know exactly what’s going on. Unfortunately you won’t get the traction you hope for, so maybe go do something productive with your time – not something that comes naturally to political socialist types but give it a go.
        
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        September 20, 2022 6:01pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Unfortunately, that’s apples and oranges.
    
    Both Labour cases were recent with verifiable complaint processes and evidence.
    
    Uffindel’s case literally came down to “we interviewed 14 people and there was no evidence this actually happened”. Short of naming the people, what else could they release?
    
    TLDR: The Labour cases had substance so there was stuff to report, Uffindel’s case didn’t.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:30am
  - Don Beckett
    
    @Bullion. You’ve gotta have rocks in your head. The Red tinted glasses are really showing.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:33am
    - Bullion
      
      I have never voted for Labour. I’ve voted for ACT more often than I have voted for Labour.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:38am
      - Ruawai
        
        Oxymoron! Contradiction!
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:51am
      - Bullion
        
        There are many numbers greater than 0
        
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        September 20, 2022 12:03pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        And I’ve flown to the moon just about more times than I’ve seen you on here, so what’s the occasion – under orders from the Labour PR team?
        
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        September 20, 2022 6:03pm
      - Bullion
        
        @wilderbeast
        
        I’ve been posting on here for many years, not some Johnny come lately
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:05pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol Bullion, the “findings” release were nothing to see here. The timelines for Uffindell have been released, there were all over the news for weeks.
    
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    September 20, 2022 12:55pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Why should the bought-and-paid-for media, or anyone else, get their hands on a report commissioned by a private organisation (the National Party) looking at events that happened more than a decade ago?
  
  Uffindell and National are not the ruling government – contrast that with the Meika Whaitiri physical assault and the Labour youth camp sexual assaults and under-age drinking. You wood have thought that Labour wood have released that report unredacted, although that wood have certainly caused them more embarrassment, woodn’t it?
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:15am
  - leoj
    
    Timber!
    If you asked Edward Woodward to do something for you, Edward Woodward would.
    Grammarly might help…..
    
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    September 20, 2022 5:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Grant Robertson’s hypocrisy on full view
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2209/S00101/grant-robertsons-drops-the-h-bomb-of-hypocrisy.htm
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:37am
- Sacha
  
  I think it is very sensible for the report to be with held. For one reason, the media would quote bits of it for the next year or two, putting its own interpretation of the report, which would not be in the subject’s favour. If it should be leaked, the the wrath of the National Party should see the exposure of the leaker.
  I think that Chris Luxon has shown leadership and common sense. in this matter.
  And the general public isn’t interested. Everyone knows that 16yo boys can be nasty little bullies – fortunately, most of them grow out of it.
  
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  September 20, 2022 7:15pm
2ic

Well, well – we now have the first week of Covid case numbers since the mask mandates were dropped, and interestingly enough they show new cases continuing on their downward trajectory.

One would have thought that if masks were effective in suppressing the spread of Covid that we would see an uptick in case numbers when everyone stopped wearing them. I mean, that’s what the science would say, and isn’t this government about following the science?

Unsurprisingly though I don’t see any journalists asking this question, and sadly I don’t think the penny has dropped for the vast majority of compliant New Zealanders.
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September 20, 2022 8:04am
- The Other Enoch
  
  Masks were never effective at stopping the spread. Nor was/is the vaccine. They are both just a one fingered salute to those who do not wish to follow the Jacinderella mania.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:12am
- Stellaboxer
  
  I’ve been searching but I can’t seem to find any comment or explanation from Baker Wiles or Jackson which is odd.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is a good thing – we have been fed enough lies
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Add Blofeld to that list
      
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      September 20, 2022 12:18pm
- I remember when
  
  If masks do work – you have to wear them before they can work.
  
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  September 20, 2022 3:03pm
peterwn

A woman made a ACC claim for regular payments in place of lost wages. Such payments are taxable as part of the taxpayer’s income for that year and would subject to the bottom tiers of income tax rates. ACC resisted this but after some years the payments were successfully upheld on appeal. ACC then paid the arrears as a lump sum but was obliged to deduct PAYE on the lump sum which meant that it was subject to the higher tax brackets. In other words she had to pay significantly more tax on the lump sum than the total tax she would have paid if she had received the regular payments from the word go. She took IRD to court and the recent judgment said that the law allowed no flexibility in this particular case so could not clear the way for more favourable tax treatment. Unfortunately I cannot locate a relevant news item to cite and the judgment has yet to appear on the Justice web site. To do her justice a law change would be needed.
One cannot blame this on either political party although IRD got away with too much in the way of tax law during the Bolger/Birch Government in the 1990’s.
If Jacinda was really kind she could ask her Ministers to do a SOP (Supplementary Order Paper) on the current tax bill to ensure this claimant is not burdened with extra tax.
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September 20, 2022 8:04am
- Colville
  
  peterwn.
  If you find out about this please let me know.
  I have a daughter who got slaughtered by IRD in the say way.
  Lost about $30K more than she should have and at a time when she really needed it, I had my Bean Counter look at it but nothing he could do.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:45am
  - peterwn
    
    Yes, it has been an issue for a while.
    I would expect the judgment to appear here in the next few days:
    https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/judgments/high-court/
    
    My source was Businessdesk. See:
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/policy/acc-clients-appeal-on-lump-sum-tax-dismissed-its-a-matter-for-parliament
    Although the article is paywalled, what is visible gives some idea of what happened.
    It would seem that given the wording of the legislation in question no one has previously taken on IRD over this. No doubt the woman’s lawyer argued about the ‘purpose’ of the legislation but in this instance the judge considered it could not overcome a ‘black letter’ interpretation. This is ironical since in the past taxpayers accused of tax avoidance have successfully used a ‘black letter’ interpretation to argue there was no avoidance. The 1999 Interpretation Act (now replaced with a more up to date version) stated ‘The meaning of an enactment must be ascertained from its text and in the light of its purpose’. That clause has been a gift from heaven for IRD dealing with complex ‘black letter’ avoidance schemes since IRD have argued successfully that the ‘purpose’ of any scheme be considered (eg for the Trinity Forestry scheme which ended causing much grief and suffering for its promoters and investors). So IRD will argue ‘black letter’ or ‘purpose’ whichever better suits its case.
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:35am
    - Colville
      
      So IRD will argue ‘black letter’ or ‘purpose’ whichever better suits its case.
      
      Hard to imagine isnt it? //
      
      When did they drop the slogan “its our job to be fair” ??
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:24am
      - peterwn
        
        ‘It is our job to be fair’ was finally put to rest when a judge ruled that IRD’s job was to apply tax law (mostly drafted by IRD itself) and it was not IRD’s job to be fair.
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:18am
  - Westie Bob
    
    As a bean counter I had a client affected by this through erroneous advice from the IRD. Long story short although they could do nothing about the law they did eventually write it off under hardship provisions. (15-20 years ago). Was a long and hard fight & my client was ready to give up and remortgage and pay them.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:29am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Sounds like a purposeful rort to me.
  ACC: “well, let’s hold out paying them as long as we can. After we are an insurance company, and our 1st position is a NO response.”
  years later..
  ACC: “righto let’s pay this person but backdate it to compound all these years we successfully delayed this payment, so they have to pay more tax cause it’s a lump sum.
  IRD: “thank you ACC. Glad we are working in partnership for better outcomes together”
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Tax Return will be healthy. I have been through this shit with ACC
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:49am
  - Colville
    
    Steve.
    There is no way of spreading the payment backwards over the years for when it was paid so there is no chance of a refund.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I got it. I also made ACC pay interest – because I am a saver. In the end it was pay up or Court. They knew I had won.
      It was a few years ago now, so I can’t give you numbers.
      
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      September 20, 2022 1:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I’ll put in a plug here even though I am not supposed to.
        John Miller Law Wellington, and ACC are not friends. Got the idea?
        
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        September 20, 2022 1:21pm
- Ehlana
  
  Should be easy to resolve for our lawmakers. If ACC are found to have got it wrong, the tax paid by the recipient should be based on the tax payable had they received the payments as they should have.
  
  The difference between that and the tax payable on the lump sum should fall on ACC.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:12am
  - peterwn
    
    ACC had not got it wrong with its tax treatment. It had no option to deduct PAYE in accordance with IRD rules. Anyway ACC would not have had client tax information to do a retrospective spread at the PAYE level. Only IRD (apart from perhaps the taxpayer or accountant) would have information on previous returns needed to do a retrospective spread.
    As I indicated the Government can always do a SOP on the current tax bill to resolve this issue but presumably the bureaucrats would strenuously this because of the potential fallout, so even if Jacinda wants to be kind here, Robbo would probably talk her out of it.
    
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    September 20, 2022 11:25am
    - Ehlana
      
      I was thinking of cases where ACC is found to have got it wrong about whether it had to pay the regular payments.
      
      I agree, additional information would be needed to make the retrospective calculation I suggested. It would be up to the claimant whether they wanted to provide that. For some it might not be worth it, for others it would.
      
      I suppose I was hoping the idea that it would cost ACC more to get it wrong might inspire greater interest in getting it right.
      
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      September 20, 2022 1:22pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the inaugural Air NZ flight to New York was very successful but the return flight was apparently anything but, managing to depart two hours late and leave the baggage of about 50 passengers behind.
Initial reports were that the check-in desk was totally undermanned and the time to check in was ludicrous, to the point where baggage was piled up, left behind, and the plane missed its take-off slot. That makes sense.
Then the sanitised version, after it had been through the Air NZ PR department, was on the news, telling us that the baggage problem was because they had to unload a whole lot of the bags because the plane needed to be lighter to contend with the headwinds.
What absolute tosh. The plane left two hours late because of the inability of the Air NZ ground staff to deal with the local baggage handlers, then it made up an hour during the flight, arriving only one hour late, making a lie of the crap that Air NZ fed us about head winds.
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September 20, 2022 8:06am
- G152
  
  Headwinds can be avoided.
  There is a LOT of airspace
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:10am
  - peterwn
    
    Heard of tradewinds? This is why sailing ships and yachts go from Europe to the Pacific round the Cape of Good Hope and return via Cape Horn. This is why NZ1 is scheduled to take longer than NZ2.
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:29am
  - Mike H S
    
    Sadly, sir/madam, you don’t know anything about aviation. I can assure you that the headwinds could not be avoided without adding extra fuel burn and the flight planned would have been the most efficient.
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:03am
  - Lance
    
    Try Googling “jet stream”
    
    It’s why it takes 3.5 hours to go to Australia and 2.5 hours to return.
    It’s a constant and very fast high altitude air flow
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:54am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They probably pissed the baggage handling teamsters off and they did what they do best…..hid the ‘baggage’.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The PM is off to New York from London today, where she will tell New Yorkers that New Zealand is open for business, as long as you only bring carry-on luggage.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:11am
  - I remember when
    
    And don’t want to become a ‘resident.’
    
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    September 20, 2022 3:20pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Dumb question,why are AirNZ flying to NY? Surely, the more lucrative route would be Akl to JNB? I cannot believe that there are that many people interested in flying NYK to AKL to make the service worthwhile, it is not as though Air NZ fly to Europe any more.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The concept of ‘flying to’ is a little vague these days. At one time it meant an aircraft boasting an airline’s livery had landing slots at some airport. Not so today as airlines ramp up code-sharing. For example, in March Emirates announced a code-sharing arrangement with Garuda Indonesia, and then 4 days ago Garuda announced it was dropping most international routes. From a customer perspective Garuda still ‘flys’ to Europe, it is simply that Emirates provides the aircraft.
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:32am
    - Colville
      
      Is that Garuda just saying they are too broke to put the planes back in service so will rely on Dubai money instead?
      
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      September 20, 2022 8:42am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes, almost certainly. Also, I’m expecting any carrier with fewer than 6 A380s to eventually quit these and to the instead partner or code-share with Emirates as they are the only airline with economies of scale for that airborne leviathan.
        
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        September 20, 2022 5:13pm
    - peterwn
      
      Same with Air NZ. It regularly code shares with other Star Alliance airlines eg if you book to go to Europe with Air NZ, they may put you on a Air NZ flight to LAX, SFO or Vancouver and then a United or Lufthansa code share NZ flight number to Heathrow, Frankfurt, etc. (or similar via Asia).
      
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      September 20, 2022 9:46am
  - MCōs
    
    I expect AirNZ have done their figuring. As it is I think there’s only 4/wk.
    If it doesn’t work out it’ll quietly disappear.
    
    The first time we flew AirNZ to NY in 1972 we put down at Fiji, Hawaii, LA where a day in a hotel was chucked in including dinner; a combo played a song for us and then on to New York.
    Tickets were a horrendous price compared to pre pandemic. Maybe 2-3mths salary one way.
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:50am
    - reubee
      
      I think it will disappear after a year or two. It won’t have the connecting passengers like Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Houston.
      
      Problem is they made it NZ1, NZ2 so harder to make it disappear quietly.
      
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      September 20, 2022 12:59pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  At low speeds for small objects air resistance, or fiction, has a linear relationship. At high speeds on large objects air resistance goes up by the square of the speed.
  
  To arrive an hour faster the plane had to use more fuel so fuel was not likely the problem.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:39am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Actually the rise in drag with velocity² is not the problem – as planes just fly higher in lower density air to keep the ‘felt’ pressure of motion the same (‘dynamic pressure’ in engineering terminology). The real problem is transonic drag increase as airflow around aircraft components starts to approach the speed of sound, leading to sharp increases in drag above about 80-85% of speed of sound.
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am inclined to believe Air New Zealand about the extra fuel needed. We will soon know because inevitably if that is the cause it will happen again.
  
  The route is at the limits of the airplane type. It is 14,215 km. The boiler plate specifications for the plane is a maximum range of 14,010 km.
  
  https://www.boeing.com/commercial/787/
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Perhaps leaving the luggage was to reduce weight 😉
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Internationally there is about 10% higher trip time travelling west than east owing to dominant westerly winds in stratosphere (a result of Coriolis effects in earth’s atmosphere). You need more fuel (and less baggage) travelling west. The Rocket equation (ie having to carry more fuel to provide extra power to overcome the extra drag caused by carrying additional fuel) is not in your favour either.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:50am
- Ehlana
  
  “to contend with the headwinds”. So, before the plane took off, they knew how strong these were likely to be and the effect of that on the safe weight of the aircraft.
  
  Here’s an idea: work backwards, Air NZ. Those headwinds probably fall into a known range. Take a figure that covers, say, 95% of the likely possibilities. Use that to determine your maximum weight. Deduct weight of airplane and fuel. Divide remainder by average weight for a passenger/crew member + baggage + inflight food to get the number of people you can put on the plane.
  
  That way, 95% of the time, you’ll be able to take your calculated number of passengers. 5% of the time you might need to offer a deferred flight, expenses covered, to reduce the weight. And probably more often, the expected winds will be less than calculation figure, so you’ll be in the happy position of being able to take an extra, weight-listed, passenger or two.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:21am
  - G152
    
    When the PIC puts in the Flight Plan he gets route forecast weather showing wind speed and direction at different altitudes.
    Thats why they call it a flight plan and not Charging off into the blue
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:39am
  - reubee
    
    That is likely what they do. Problem was hitting the 5% chance on the first day when there is some extra publicity. First day should have gone out an extra standard deviation and planned a smaller load so the likelihood of unwanted publicity was lower.
    
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    September 20, 2022 1:01pm
    - Ehlana
      
      That would make sense, yes.
      
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      September 20, 2022 1:15pm
Tony Stuart

Thomas Cranmer has another exclusive about William Gannin Ormsby. As well as the multiple contracts he has secured with government agencies (of which three are now under review), he was appointed last year fulltime to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. He is reported to have been shoulder-tapped by the CEO of the Commission, who just happens to also hail from Waikato-Tainui.

https://twitter.com/kehetauhauaga/status/1571922154467504128

Given that the CCRC employs specialist investigators and legal experts, is it safe to conclude that Ormsby was head-hunted because of his experience in the Court system, when he was convicted of a charge of assault on a female in 2003, and sentenced to 240 hours community work?
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September 20, 2022 8:10am
- All_on_Red
  
  These people are corrupt
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:20am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO. he was shoulder tapped because he has sleeping privileges with a hand (probably his own) in a controlling position of the Govt’s Maori Caucus.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  Ferald has Uffindell story in news A8 , with photo of him and Lux ( must make that association), but the third investigation into Mahuta is buried under ‘business’ on page A19 .
  
  Sounds like business as usual .In more ways than one .
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:34am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Mahuta/Ormsby – under paywall too – public interest, govt funds, but people must pay to read anything about the NZ Govt??
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:00am
    - Ehlana
      
      Why all the complaints about paywalls? Everyone used to pay for their newspapers (often more than one) every day. And they were still packed with advertising.
      
      Why do we now expect them to be free?
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:23am
      - Trev
        
        Because they now have lots of paid content and are now largely Government (thus tax payer) sponsored. I pay for various media that is worth it e.g. NBR. It is a disgrace how pro government stuff is free to view in the online version of the Herald whereas anything showing the government in an unfavourable light is usually pay walled.
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:14am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They are so bad, I expect to be paid to suffer through them.
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:34am
      - Harry Knuts
        
        I’m all for paywall, only if it falls outside important updates on govt activities. The 55mil should surely be paying for so called journos to report on what’s happening in govt – both central and local. After all you and I have paid for this being taxpayers. To use PIJF to fund journos to write pieces that are paywalled then expect you to pay for it is what would be referred to as double dipping.
        Perhaps the paywall stuff should be reserved for Opinion pieces only.
        
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        September 20, 2022 12:15pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      public interest, govt funds and no paywall for anything positive about govt , but people must pay to read anything negative about the NZ Govt.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:52am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Would be good to know:
  How many govt contracts any of Ormsby’s companies have been awarded?
  And the timing of those contracts. eg: were they 2017 and after?
  Or has he always been involved in govt contracts regardless.?
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And what an extraordinary range of services his company offers…
    Housing expertise, Mental Health expertise, Waste management expertise, Circular Economy expertise, Conservation services, Youth suicide prevention, Maori tikanga expertise, etc.
    
    So lucky he has a pool of talent in his family to draw upon
    
    https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/08/a-very-
    talented-family/
    
    https://environment.govt.nz/assets/OIA/Files/OIAD-277-Response.pdf
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:13am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Plus he’s either a specialist investigator or a legal expert, given they are the people the CCRC claims to employ. He must also be an expert in time management, given the number of balls (or should that be “baubles”?) he has in the air at any particular time.
      
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      September 20, 2022 12:51pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      It’s a front to other co’s that are experts in these fields I suspect. Outsourcing the original contracts to another party at a cheaper rate and keep the difference. Ormsby is their man on the inside, he secures the contracts based on others writing them. He clips the ticket by being the insider man.
      
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      September 20, 2022 12:58pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  No wonder Robertson’s desperate to keep Uffindell in the news…
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:22am
- Ruawai
  
  There can’t have been a need for the Criminal Cases Review Commission if they haven’t put forward a case in 20 months and only expect to put one forward for consideration before the end of this year, so 1 in 2 years. Or are the 16 full time employees not actually doing anything all day long??
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:59am
Lee C

Has anyone seen this? The proposed changes to the Coroner’s Act?

It’s worth submitting on; we have a few days left.

The change of concern is the ‘unascertained natural causes’ of death. They don’t need reporting on, and if they have an inquiry, details are all suppressed (seems… dodgy af, is the government now trying to cover their tracks)

Here’s a link to the submission page:
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-submission/document/53SCJU_SCF_BILL_125886/coroners-amendment-bill

Coroners Amendment Bill – New Zealand Parliament
The closing date for submissions is 11.59pm on Wednesday, 28 September 2022.
The Chairperson of the Justice Committee has called for public submissions on the Coroners Amendment Bill.
http://www.parliament.nz

The most concerning is: ‘making it clear that coroners could record a cause of death as “unascertained natural causes” if they considered that the death was from natural causes and no further investigation was required under the Act’
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September 20, 2022 8:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s all a big conspiracy theory……..//
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:16am
- krazykiwi
  
  Have to hide the burgeoning evidence, because After mass mRNA vaccinations in Alberta, Canada: “unknown” is now the leading cause of death
  
  For the first time in Canadian history “unknown” is now the leading cause of death for Alberta in 2021: 3,362 deaths, up 544% from 522 in 2019, according to statistics from the Government of Alberta.
  
  Is it a coincidence that “unknown” causes of death skyrocketed after the mass vaccination campaign started in early 2021? To date, 87.5% of those 18 and older are fully vaccinated and 48.4% have been boosted in Alberta.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:20am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Thank you Lee, I’ve just made a submission on that topic.
  
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  September 20, 2022 1:28pm
igm

Is there not a law against relationships with first cousins or does it not apply to the preferred people!
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September 20, 2022 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No. There is no law which prohibits any New Zealander marrying their first cousin. It may seem unusual to many, but it is legally allowed.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:18am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is legal in most countries. Prohibited in a few states of the USA.
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:49am
    - MCōs
      
      Jerry Lee Lewis has married most of his first cousins.
      
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      September 20, 2022 8:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    BTW in Pakistan about 50 percent of marriages are between first cousins. In Saudi Arabia it is about 60 percent.
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:54am
    - kowtow
      
      In the UK there’s a lot of genetic disorders in that ‘community’ down to cousin marriage .
      
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      September 20, 2022 9:12am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        And about 3 points drop in average IQ. Economic benefits of inbreeding (keeping assets and controls within family) have to be pretty high for there to be no established social taboo against something that is so negative to evolutionary ‘fitness’ of offspring. It just screams out ‘crappy culture’
        
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        September 20, 2022 10:58am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        Saw a doco on this and the results of these marriages in the UK has evented in tragic deaths and extremely poor health for the children produced by this marriage
        
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        September 20, 2022 4:41pm
  - Taieri
    
    No. There is no law which prohibits any New Zealander marrying their first cousin. It may seem unusual to many, but it is legally allowed.
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    According to Marriage Act 1955, Schedule 2:
    
    Prohibited degrees of marriage
    (1) A person may not marry the person’s—
    
    (a) grandparent:
    (b) parent:
    (c) child:
    (d) grandchild:
    (e) sibling:
    (f) parent’s sibling:
    (g) sibling’s child:
    (h) grandparent’s spouse or civil union partner:
    (i) parent’s spouse or civil union partner:
    (j) spouse’s or civil union partner’s parent:
    (k) spouse’s or civil union partner’s grandparent:
    (l) spouse’s or civil union partner’s child:
    (m) child’s spouse or civil union partner:
    (n) grandchild’s spouse or civil union partner:
    (o) spouse’s or civil union partner’s grandchild.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:07am
  - DeepBlue
    
    First cousins I know married and had two children. One was not the full quid.
    
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    September 20, 2022 7:45pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  marrying your first cousin – way to close for comfort for most. ikk factor.
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:17pm
Nickc2

More Apartheid anyone?
A Lawyer is now advocating that Maori should have their own ACC.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/calls-for-m-ori-acc-entity.html
How’s that going to work and who’s going to pay for it?
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September 20, 2022 8:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  “How’s that going to work and who’s going to pay for it?”
  
  It won’t work, but you’ll pay for the report that shows it will. Then when it doesn’t, you’ll pay again. Of course if you question any of this you’ll be branded a waaaaaaaacist!!!.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:53am
- kowtow
  
  I find the whole “maori” exceptionalism thing somewhat distasteful .
  
  Even at the state funeral of EIIR there were three capes in evidence . RSA , military guy and GG .
  
  Why are we making such a point of being so different to everyone else .
  
  The Canadians , didn’t turn up in feathery “first nation’ head gear . In fact quite the opposite , a very “colonial” RCMP with lances .
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:00am
  - Flossie
    
    The PM also wore some kind of cloak thing across her shoulders, as a nod to our indigenous people – or some such nonsense or other.
    
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    September 20, 2022 11:59am
    - kowtow
      
      i’ d missed that .
      
      makes it even worse as it’s ‘cultural appropriation’ , a fashion statement ( at the wrong time) and more “look a’ me” faucahontas stuff.
      
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      September 20, 2022 3:39pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Cindy got permission from Peeni.
    
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    September 20, 2022 12:20pm
- RoboRob
  
  I would be all in favour of that if the Maori ACC budget came specifically from Maori ACC levies. I would expect Maori ACC levies would probably need to be ten times as large as they currently are. I would also be in favour of Maori only unemployment benefits under the same rules 🙂
  
  Of course we all know that that would never happen and that the non Maori would have to subsidise the Maori system. But I guess that is ok as we have White privilege from our ancestors. That’s especially true for the Asian population, they have ‘off white’ privilege from their ancestors.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:23am
Maggie Pie

Word of the day….

‘MIRRORING’ (v) in psychology, to imitate someone you sympathise with.

https://twitter.com/opinionistNZ/status/1571762018230890496
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September 20, 2022 8:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  Bait and switch.
  
  bhahahahahahahahaha.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We have a seriously deranged and creepy leader.
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:47am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Imagine Cindy in the hotel lobby asking who Princess Anne’s hairdresser is and personally requesting them?? seems like a likely scenario. just saying…
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:51am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… The word ‘chameleon’ comes to mind.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:18am
- Ghost
  
  Well I guess on a positive she didn’t try to copy the king
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:27am
- Warren
  
  You have to wonder who Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister will imitate next especially now as she is off to New York and the UN to further her profile.
  Maybe she has not grown up and still dreams of becoming a Princess like most young and immature people want to be.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:04am
  - Ghost
    
    She’ll go back to imitating Helen Clark
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:12am
    - Paulus
      
      Helen Clark is already there in New York lobbying for Ardern.
      She took Ardern’s taxpayer booked seat on the first NY flight on Saturday last
      Both and all media enturages coming back direct without any luggage I expect.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Helen Clark – lies and all
      
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      September 20, 2022 11:21am
- Observer of Life
  
  MPie: And as usual. Does NOT carry it off. Why does she have to wear such ill fitting clothes. I guess her main inspiration is H1.
  
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  September 20, 2022 6:16pm
- Roberta
  
  Eeeww… I don’t think royalty would have such a visible panty line though. I notice even Clarke Gayford is looking the other way.
  
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  September 20, 2022 7:28pm
Alex

Russia has hit two new Russian nuclear powers plants possibly as a distraction for Putin’s failures.
Even Igor Girkin Who is suspected of shooting down MH 17 with 298 casualties thinks a few more military losses will be the end of Putin. Ukrainians have just taken Belogorovka in Luhansk Eastern Ukraine.
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September 20, 2022 8:19am
- RoboRob
  
  There is a view by some Russian media that if Putin was to fall his replacement would be much harder line and do a full mobilisation. Be careful for what you wish for 🙂
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:25am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Won’t happen. Russia is buggered. No time to train them and nothing to equip them with. Any replacement will blame Putin, stop the war and focus on stopping Russia falling apart. Already Armenia is looking to the US for support and mediation.
    
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    September 20, 2022 2:45pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Hope your right 🙂
      
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      September 20, 2022 4:01pm
peterwn

Even the sanitised version reflects poorly on Air NZ. The message I got from this passengers risk having their bags left behind if there is a weight problem depending on the particular circumstances of the flight. Therefore passengers on these flights should ensure they have essential items like medications in their hand baggage. The only surefire way round this problem would be to leave some seats empty.
As far as flight times are concerned, things are dependent on weather conditions. While NZ2 flies with the tradewinds, NZ1 flies into the tradewinds (hence the longer flight time allowed in the timetable). Because the winds are variable it could well be that a flight takes potentially less than the timetabled time. Possibly too as the flight proceeds fuel usage may have been lower than anticipated enabling the Captain to increase speed a bit (not sure what policies are on this).
Also the checkin staff are most likely to be contractors – the same people doing checkin for a variety of airlines. Air NZ could not justify having dedicated checkin staff for infrequent flights. Only very regular airport users like United could justify this. The odds are that Air NZ has a single agent donly bases at JFK.
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September 20, 2022 8:24am
- Southern Raider
  
  Is it baggage or passengers who are the issue?
  
  I would suggest as airlines aren’t allowed to discriminate against fat people (and the plane is flying to fattest nation on earth) that the baggage off loaded is to balance passenger weight
  
  If there is only two main variable metrics that impact fuel consumption (people and baggage) why do airlines only restrict one of them
  
  A 120 kg person is effectively equivalent on me and 3 bags. There is a lot of travellers bigger than that
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:42am
  - peterwn
    
    In the early days of commercial flights, passengers and bags were weighed in together at checkin for load balance reasons. Then bags only were weighed and it seems this was dispensed with unless staff considered a bag to be overweight, Now Air NZ weighs all bags for loading purposes. Presumably there would be a case to weigh passengers at checkin (using an electronic platform scale as veterinary surgeons or racecourse stewards use), but this would nowadays create an uproar. Airlines assume an average weight for passengers and after a survey increased this a few years ago. Whether airlines use different average weights for different flights goodness knows.
    It is an awkward matter. For example some groups lobby for wider seats with more legroom but young impoverished passengers would object because fares would be higher. Then a regular weight passenger may suffer discomfort from sitting next to an obese passenger potentially causing friction.
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The enturage is probably all fat bastards.
    
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    September 20, 2022 11:24am
ClanMcleod

And another “conspiracy theory” looks like it is coming true.
Re covid, I’ve mentioned Original Antigenic Sin before, it can lead to ADE. Antibody Dependent Enhancement. A new study out of Japan shows concerning data that it may be occurring.

Japanese Study Finds In-Vitro Evidence of Antibody Dependent Enhancement of SARS-2 Infection by Moderna mRNA Vaccines

Remember how everywhere mass vaccination occurs, we tend to see higher frequencies of infection? Remember how, in the deeply unadjusted and unreliable UKHSA vaccine efficacy statistics from the start of the year, the double-vaccinated appeared to experience higher rates of infection and death than the unvaccinated? Crazy conspiracy theorists might be forgiven for wondering if these are the effects of antibody-enhanced virus replication in the lungs of people more than six months out from their second jab.

Again: We don’t know whether this effect has any clinical manifestation; the human immune system is more than antibodies, and it’s possible that people with replication-enhancing sera don’t have measurably different experiences with SARS-2 than people with neutralising sera. It’s well within the realm of possibility, though, that as a result of these ADE effects, a nontrivial number of vaccinated people shed much more virus than their unvaccinated counterparts.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/japanese-study-finds-in-vitro-evidence?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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September 20, 2022 8:44am
- westernScientist
  
  For anyone interested in what the study actually says:
  
  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-19993-w
  
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  September 20, 2022 1:19pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That’s the one.
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:32pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5N7fuLxaTA
Recent Scene from Martha’s Vineyard.
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September 20, 2022 8:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Gold. Apparently Martha’s Vineyard have retaliated against DeSantis.
  
  TALLAHASSEE, FL — Outraged at having been sent 50 illegal immigrants from Florida by Ron DeSantis, Martha’s Vineyard has taken ultimate revenge on the governor by shipping 50 Karens to Florida.
  
  “Perhaps now DeSantis will think twice before he sullies our pristine white island with brown migrant people,” said Martha’s Vineyard HOA President Karen VonSchnitzel. “Once the charter flight filled with our neighborhood’s most insufferable Karens touches down in Tallahassee, he will rue the day he made us look like heartless racists in front of the entire country. HAHAHAHAHA!”
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/marthas-vineyard-takes-revenge-on-desantis-by-shipping-him-50-karens?utm_source=The%20Babylon%20Bee%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    How did he manage that when the Martha Island HOA Board is most probably packed with Karens. For those who do not know USA style HOA’s cover housing estates (especially gated communities) similar to Bodies Corporate in NZ. HOA’s often have wide powers over their communities including levying fines or even foreclosing properties.
    
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    September 20, 2022 4:44pm
  - curry4me
    
    Trust the Bee to be on to it.
    
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    September 20, 2022 6:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The United Spot I follow on Facebook – a lot of fun.
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:26am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS8BmK_FDY0

Dems Panic as Blue States Flipping Red and MAGA Candidates SURGE!!
Some unlikely places might end up replacing Dem incumbents with Trump Republicans. That is to say; not RINOs. [9:44]
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September 20, 2022 8:48am
- Frank the tank
  
  Interestingly A LOT of races look like toss ups on both sides.
  
  It will depend on who is more motivated to turn up. Usually the Dems have to be +4 in polls to win on the day.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    +4 . Yep, +400 million ,at least , from tech billionaires . That’ll buy a serious amount of “democracy”. That was just for starters.
    
    Be nice if the hold power to account msm did some stories on how much Soros puts into these things.
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:41am
krazykiwi

Here’s a reason for choice in schooling, and equally a reason why parents should choose wisely: Woke High School Defends Trans Teacher With [Huge] Prosthetic Breasts in Name of Creating “Safe and Inclusive Environment”
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September 20, 2022 9:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Even Monty Python couldn’t come up with something so grotesque.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:20am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Jimmy Saville could though.
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:47am
- Opie
  
  The chin mask finishes the look off nicely.
  
  More suited to a psych ward than teaching children anything.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not right in the head
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:30am
Yvette

Grant Robertson diplomacy

Inaugural Foreign Policy Speech to Diplomatic Corps
Hon Nania Mahuta
As the first indigenous woman to lead this portfolio, I believe we have a prime opportunity to call on the bi-cultural values that have characterised who we are.
Values such as:
• manaaki – kindness or the reciprocity of goodwill;
• whanaunga – our connectedness or shared sense of humanity;
• mahi tahi and kotahitanga – collective benefits and shared aspiration; and,
• kaitiaki – protectors and stewards of our intergenerational wellbeing.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/inaugural-foreign-policy-speech-diplomatic-corps

Yesterday Grant Robertson said National’s Sam Uffindell reinstatement announcement was ‘disrespectful’ and ‘cynical’
Robertson’s remarks, on “on the same day as the Queen’s funeral” would seem in itself to break all the four principles Nania Mahuta expects of diplomacy.

Labour lauds Maori tikanga but seems to not observe the values themselves.
That should tell Maori something
It surely tells non-Maori something too.

And if “there were other options available to National”, why does Robertson not name a few – or just one even, so we many perhaps assess what his response to that may be?
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September 20, 2022 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  ‘As the first indigenous woman to lead this portfolio’
  
  And there it is again .
  
  The constant banging of the exceptional drum.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:47am
  - leoj
    
    Since when are maori indiginous to New Zealand?
    
    Reckon the mori oris might have something to say about that, except that they were eaten (by maori).
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:26am
    - Trev
      
      Moriori were Maori. Just earlier arrivals. Genetically, linguistically and culturally they were Polynesian.
      
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      September 20, 2022 11:27am
      - Matt Long
        
        So? They were a distinct culture and from the photos I’ve seen physically distinguishable from Maori.
        Is genocide good if between people of similar genetic backgrounds.
        Like say English and Irish?
        
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        September 20, 2022 4:57pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        They all arrived at the same time, but the Moriori split off from the rest of NZ Maori culture for a few hundred years, probably while they were still rapidly growing in number to fill the country without much conflict, and so never developed the militarized culture that North Island Maori evolved (the eat or be eaten martial skills race typical of stone age cultures in temperate climes the world over).
        
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        September 20, 2022 8:53pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      You could liken NZers and Australians to the Maori and Moriori. That is similar origins but living in separate island nations for several 100 years. If Aussies invaded NZ now and enslaved us we would call that war and would certainly not see them as our kin. My child was told not believe the Moriori myth. But I just see this as a revising of history to suit the victor.
      
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      September 20, 2022 10:52pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  He’s desperate to take the heat off Mahuta and the nepotism that is rife at the moment.
  Deflect is his MO.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:49am
greybeard

Do people with prosopagnosia recognise themselves when looking in a mirror?
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September 20, 2022 9:08am
BeaB

Where did all those media people pop up from yesterday? The ones grilling Luxon and Uffindell. Haven’t heard from them for years.
Perhaps they could turn up when Ardern and Robertson are at their podium of truth. After all, they are the actual government. The ones the media are meant to be holding to account.
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September 20, 2022 9:10am
- kowtow
  
  There’d be better employed ( if they were holding power to account )chasing MahutaCorp .
  
  Only mainstreamer seemingly doing that is the excellent Kate MacNamara .
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:50am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Ahh ya see they can’t. They will be automatically cut off from the PIJF if they did. Never bite the hand that feeds you.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:52am
cas

Anyone else received an information sheet about the vote on Maori wards in their voting papers? We did and it is just pure propaganda. It says such things as “Maori wards could provide more effective, direct representation for tangata whenua in Council decision making processes as required by law” and such ward reps could “better relate to the needs of Maori communities and provide the Council with a greater understanding of Maori issues and concerns”.

To the best of my knowledge we have more people with Maori blood on the Council than not and this will continue whoever gets in next month. Are they saying they are falling down in these areas.

And the worst thing is the poll is non binding – it will “assist elected members making a decision on Maori wards”. And if Council decides to go ahead , “after taking consideration of the outcome of the poll” there will be a long convoluted process.

I suppose this is Willie Jackson democracy at work
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September 20, 2022 9:16am
- kowtow
  
  More exceptionalism.
  
  It is divisive and anti democratic .
  
  Totally at odds with NZ values.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:51am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I got my voting papers yesterday and nothing about Maori wards. I thought they were appointed rather than voted in? I could be wrong.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:54am
  - Ghost
    
    I got my voting papers yesterday, lovely Māori man running for ECAN who would of got my vote if not for the fact they now have two seats set aside for them.
    
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    September 20, 2022 9:56am
- Paulus
  
  According to a paper presented by Winston in August you can be a Maori with 1/512 to qualify for the Maori Roll.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:55am
BeaB

FIVE stories about the National Party internal report on Stuff page today. A couple of puff pieces about Jacinda being part of the glittering throng of world leaders and the advice the Queen gave her.
Does the media secretly believe the opposition is actually the government?
Or is Jacinda so superior to them all that all they can do is bow down and worship?
Perhaps they want her to be our new queen.
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September 20, 2022 9:17am
- Albert_Ross
  
  There’s a lot in that. The media do seem to regard Jacinda as something akin to a Queen. I remember how some columnist commented that Jacinda was supposed to be “above politics”, and look how much coverage she gets for doing royalty-like things such as visiting schools, followed by journalists excitedly asking the children and teachers “so what did she say?”. Meanwhile, they seem to see it as somehow improper to expect her to comment on political matters, just as it is to ask members of the Royal Family.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:50am
MCōs

Last evening I watched the Queen’s funeral until the coffin arrived at Wellington Arch (with the New Zealand War Memorial in the background)
The arrival of dignitaries at Westminster Abbey was impressive, I thought, particularly Joe Biden having to wait as the VC & GC holders took their places, including Willie Apiata. Then there was UK PMs past and present; also our PM.
I thought those aging royals did well marching quite some distance.
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September 20, 2022 9:17am
MCōs

Does she still read Thomas the Tank Engine books to her son?
There’s some good stuff there. I bought the entire collection for one of my granddaughters if she wants to borrow some.
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September 20, 2022 9:23am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Your missus back from Bangkok yet Cossie?
  
  You starting to sound a wee bit tetchy.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Fat Controller.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8vs4UsScRw
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Some of those Thomas stories are rather disturbing – like permanently walling up an engine that wouldn’t follow orders in a tunnel:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O60q8r3E3ak
  
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  September 20, 2022 8:59pm
Prince

Stuff’s cabal of Left Wing ‘journalists’ rail against Luxon, suggesting the he is hiding the real conclusions of the Kings Counsel report, and the KC would remain silent about that (despite the same KC being used by Labour in the past)/
Meanwhile Anna Lorck’s bullying, which has occurred over the last two years, was absolved by the same journalists as OK because she is now getting ‘leadership training’.
Stuff’s degrading standards of bias and corruption continues to bring Journalism as a profession into disrepute.
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September 20, 2022 9:26am
- Ian Boag
  
  The Uffindell thing was/is an internal National party matter. Commissioning the report and then what is done with it is over to CL and whoever he wants to consult with. End of.
  
  Personally I thought Uff got of VERY lightly from the Kings thing …. far better to voluntarily leave with no need for the paperwork that would have been required for an expulsion. If the police had become involved it would have been “assault with a weapon”. Ugh. Long time ago etc.
  
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  September 20, 2022 7:11pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/nanaia-mahutas-husbands-firm-awarded-contracts-kainga-ora-now-third-government-agency-to-review-process/IPTTBUZ5DWTNMRWQ6IQCEXG6IM/

Mahuta’s husband’s , Gavin Ormsby, was awarded a non contested government contract and said…
“a verbal conflict of interest was declared”

However, they changed the story to…
“however that statement was corrected late last week with the clarification that no “formal” conflicts, written or verbal, were declared.”

Yet, nothing seems to be done about it? The usual case of seeking forgiveness is easier than seeking permission.

Most of these types of contracts shouldn’t exist in the first instance. The man got given a contract in suicide prevention despite absolutely no qualifications. It is wrong.
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September 20, 2022 9:27am
- Harry Knuts
  
  You know for merely questioning this conflict of interest, nepotism, Mahuta will call you racist.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    She doesn’t need to call anyone “racist”
    
    She has the bought and paid for Media Pardy to do her barking for her.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:04am
    - leoj
      
      She may have taught them to bark…..
      
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      September 20, 2022 5:55pm
RoboRob

When GR leaves, his financial skills will be in high demand….. at the local union office.
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September 20, 2022 9:27am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I doubt he could balance his own bank account.
  
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  September 20, 2022 9:51am
  - RoboRob
    
    I gaurantee he doesn’t and wouldn’t know where to start. Budgeting is for the people, not their leaders.
    
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    September 20, 2022 11:03am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      The Red spending till they go deep in the red. Leave a trail of financial destruction for others to try and clean up in 2023. Brace yourself for austerity in 2023/2024.
      
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      September 20, 2022 12:23pm
ClanMcleod

So a small acknowledgment in the media re vaccine harms.

“Covid-19 vaccine ruled as cause of heart condition that killed Dunedin plumber Rory Nairn”

That was common knowledge, there are many others either dead or injured from the same cause. The coroner stated she had enough evidence to state the vaccine caused his death. She then states:

However she still needed to consider and establish as part of a “wider inquiry” whether Nairn’s death could have been prevented and if she needed to make any recommendations.

How about recommending not forcing people, particularly young people, to take an experimental procedure against their will, especially when it was widely known that there was far greater risk to young people from the vaccine than from the disease?
Seems like a pretty bloody obvious recommendation.
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September 20, 2022 9:33am
- Ross Campbell
  
  “The coroner stated she had enough evidence to state the vaccine caused his death”
  This is the way proper systems work with evidence to form a conclusion versus anti vax and KB circles where the unfortunate deaths of many different people eg Pauline Hanna are presented as vaccine deaths by people with a barrow to push and use them as cannon fodder in the process.
  Very sad.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Billion of people have been cannon fodder to a rapacious, criminal pharmaceutical industry that has been afforded cover for their plunder by compromised regulators and megalomaniacal politicians.
    
    These ‘vaccines’ are the most deadly medical misadventure in history.
    
    No, “sad” is you dissing the few (but increasing numbers) of us that have been waving the flag.
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:52am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Nice hyperbole and exaggeration there KK.
      At least you didn’t start on about fantastical Nuremberg trials this time….
      
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      September 20, 2022 11:01am
      - krazykiwi
        
        No hyperbole. No exaggeration. Just uncomfortable truths for blindly subservient dolts who are unmoved by evidence.
        
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        September 20, 2022 11:05am
  - I remember when
    
    As even Stuff, in editorial, have stated that the New Zealand Ministry of Health were the worst governmental department to deal with for honesty and openness, perhaps the anti vax and KB circles have some justification in thinking there may be some “conspiracies.”
    
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    September 20, 2022 4:57pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ross – the story is unfolding. You’re on the wrong side of it. Get used to it.
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:36pm
- Ian Boag
  
  many others either dead or injured from the same cause
  
  You can of course put a number on “many” and refer us to a source for said number ….
  
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  September 20, 2022 7:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It would be nice to be able to do that, but it is totally impossible under a “single source of truth” who controls a bunch of self serving shills pretending to be the mainstream media.
    If full and transparent information had been kept and rational debate permitted we would be able to understand the numbers you are snidely referring to.
    It has been lies, obfuscation and deflection from the very beginning to deliberately make real analysis almost impossible. It is still happening though. All cause mortality is rising everywhere and it isn’t due to covid.
    
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    September 21, 2022 7:14am
Frank the tank

Lange lost weight though later in life. Poor man’s Gordon Brown seems to be getting bigger.

Just saying.
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September 20, 2022 9:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Lange had a stomach staple.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:15am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Maybe Robbo might consider a VBG as well?
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Does that include a Brain transplant s well ?
    
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    September 20, 2022 10:52am
Clownworld

While the Herald leads with a Jacinda fluff piece who she talked to and how close she was to a coffin…hidden deep down the autopsy results of a vaccine death confirmed is there.

Two classes of people, the elite and the Hoi Polloi. Where is the interview asking Jacinda does she still maintain the safe and effective vaccine is true for this man?
Where is the Herald headline…adverse events are real….what if the vaccine kills?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-vaccine-ruled-as-cause-of-heart-condition-that-killed-dunedin-plumber-rory-nairn/SLY2ZNPU53IBGAE6HA4AQE4JA4/
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September 20, 2022 10:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  There is now compelling evidence that these Covid injectables:-
  
  1. Cause heart damage
  
  2. Allow synthesized spike proteins to cross the blood–brain barrier leading to all manner of serious/fatal neurological condition – GBS, Prion disease etc
  
  3. Downregulate the TP53 gene which results in less P53 protein production (P53 is called the ‘Guardian of the Genome’) thereby increasing tumor expression.
  
  4. Provide gargantuan profits for Big Pharma and their partners (regulators, media etc)
  
  Despite this, all manner of Ardern sycophants refuse to accept that the subject of their worship bears non-trivial responsibility for these outcomes.
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:01pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Regarding #3, this substack is highly educational (it took me four reads and side research to digest it!) : Do the COVID-19 injections contain epigenetic factors inducing cancer, autoimmunity, neurological disorders diabetes and more?
    
    Cancer is basically the epigenetic modification of the p53 tumor suppressor gene: the guardian of the genome. I love that: the guardian of the genome. I should actually be called p43.7, I think. I guess p53 is catchier.
    
    The p53 protein not only enforces the stability of the genome by the prevention of genetic alterations in cells but also plays a role in regulating the epigenetic changes that can occur in cells.13
    
    p53 suppresses tumor formation by regulating DNA repair. The impairment of this regulation can lead to cancer through loss of regulation of cell cycle. Its reintroduction into cancer cells, induces cell cycle arrest in the cancer cell. Expression levels, like everything in biology, is very important. Over expression of p53 can result in too much apoptosis (programmed cell death), and under expression can result in cancer.14 Epigenetic factors can affect p53 expression levels.15 16 17 18 19 They can also affect other DNA damage repair elements and their regulation.
    
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    September 20, 2022 12:09pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The key thing to remember in all of this is that the actions of Ardern and her “experts” caused far, far, far more harm than any good. Actually I find it almost impossible to identify anything positive in any of their policies. Everything they did was destructive.
  
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  September 21, 2022 7:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Are your children/grandchildren being taught in large open-plan classrooms…akak “Modern Learning Environments’?

Listen to how Dr Michael Johnston has been stymied by the Ministry of Education when he tried to investigate how well these classrooms are working in NZ.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018859439/no-evidence-modern-learning-environments-work-report
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September 20, 2022 10:47am
- Blog-aholic
  
  You don’t have to go far to see how ‘well’ they are working…..
  
  Look at the OECD statistics for NZ in Literacy and Stem and combine tose with the truancy rates and voila.
  
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  September 20, 2022 10:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  They have some advantages – they effectively allow for streaming in primary schools as kids are sorted into groups based on level of achievement/capability for different core subjects which is positive for optimising rate of improvement. But they are difficult for kids with common neuro atypicalities like ASD and ADHD due to high levels of noise/distraction.
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:24am
- Ruawai
  
  My daughter was in one at Intermediate and she found it very noisy and distracting. It was essentially 2 classrooms built in 1960’s with the wall between them removed and two teachers with about 70 children.
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:41am
  - leoj
    
    Makes a mockery of those teachers and their unions who advocate for smaller class sizes…
    
    Hypocrites?
    
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    September 20, 2022 6:02pm
- cmm
  
  The Big Woke Idea is that there are multiple different classes (or should I say, teacher coached learning experiences) going on and the kids get to browse around and choose which class they want to experience.
  
  Maths getting a bit boring? Well just wander off and join in with the people playing a game or cooking pancakes.
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:24pm
- 7kiwi11
  
  We have one boy who is fine in them, but had to change schools for the other one. It just didn’t work for him. He’s a smart kid (I know, all parents say that!) but he couldn’t handle the noise and distractions. He went through several terms with little to no output and teachers trying different initiatives, all to no avail. At a new school now with singular, smaller classrooms and he is again thriving.
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:36pm
  - Paulus
    
    Sent my children an a granddaughter to private schools.
    All have the ability to read, write and good at figures. and been high scholarship achievers at top University in New Zealand now with very good well paid jobs.
    
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    September 20, 2022 1:41pm
- surfing
  
  This government has a fanatical desire to control every aspect of education. This is why people like Alwyn Poole can’t get a look in.
  
  These large student classes are an abomination. There is a reason that private schools have not embraced the model.
  
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  September 20, 2022 2:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Labour initiative that promises much, but with no detail, is likely to be just a load of spin.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/chris-hipkins-playing-long-game-on-police-policy
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September 20, 2022 10:53am
Maggie Pie

FOX reporting…..

‘NYC Mayor Eric Adams is looking at housing illegal-aliens on Cruise Ships’

Wonder how that would compare to a motel room in RotoVegas?
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September 20, 2022 11:00am
- RoboRob
  
  One would think that after a while even the Dems would realise it would be better to have a secure border than have to deal with ‘looking after’ illegals.
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They will wake up after more NIMBYs get their noses out of joint. The more in the more illegal votes, is the way they think, they have run out of dead people votes.
    The 50 at Martha’s Vineyard have been moved on by the National Guard I think. It was not the local Sheriffs crowd.
    
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    September 20, 2022 11:49am
- Ruawai
  
  Maybe Labour could look at this, it would certainly improve Rotorua and return it to a tourist destination.
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “See? It is not as bad as San Francisco” Americans will be here in droves.
    
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    September 20, 2022 1:25pm
- Nickc2
  
  That’ll only work if he can anchor and supply the ships outside the 12 Nautical Mile limit.
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:26pm
Rusty

The Brits really know how to put on a ceremony when a royal or statesman dies.

I think the anti-monarchist people must be gnashing their teeth knowing the Queens passing has drawn the commonwealth more closer to the monarchy than ever before.
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September 20, 2022 12:09pm
- Philview
  
  While most of it was incredible I found the service a bit dull as the various clergy weren’t exactly full of enthusiasm. I didn’t see the Windsor part and perhaps that went better.
  
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  September 20, 2022 2:52pm
cmm

Stuff: “Jacinda Ardern’s mid-air bilateral with Justin Trudeau”

Snigger, snigger. Don’t they read what they write?
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September 20, 2022 12:20pm
- Nickc2
  
  Does that mean Cindy’s joined the Mile High Club?
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:21pm
  - cmm
    
    Well she’s probably at a loose end if they’re flying as a family on Emerates.
    
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    September 20, 2022 12:26pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I’m told there’s a bunk or two in the Tail of the Aircraft.
      
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      September 20, 2022 12:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s where they put the drunks that have passed out. No, not me LOL
        
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        September 20, 2022 1:27pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Steve Otto @ 1:27PM
        I’m told it’s referred to as the Hosties’ Bonking Bin (HBB).
        
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        September 20, 2022 1:30pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Don’t….. feeling ill at the thought ..
    
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    September 20, 2022 12:26pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Well, Clarke’s going straight back to Australia with Albo…
    
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    September 20, 2022 12:58pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What’s the bet he found a long lost friend in Australia?
      
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      September 20, 2022 4:30pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Fair question, but also just gross!
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:02pm
- Ghost
  
  Is Maggie pie writing for stuff now?
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:24pm
- Paulus
  
  I think you will find that Trudeau has a Canadian Military VIP aircraft – a Bombardier or Falcon with ww ability.
  Like Australia has.
  
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  September 20, 2022 1:48pm
- cmm
  
  I notice that both Herald and Stuff are reporting this as Red Banner news.
  
  One would swear this is the first time anyone had a meeting on a plane.
  
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  September 20, 2022 2:02pm
Ghost

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/anna-lorck-grant-robertson-says-labour-mp-s-management-style-may-come-across-poorly-lorck-responds-to-bullying-allegations.html

Acting Prime Minister Grant Robertson says Labour MP Anna Lorck’s management style may come across “poorly” and “isn’t always appreciated”.
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September 20, 2022 12:39pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, but you know what lying bastards these Labour Politicians are eh.
  Come on Robbo, have an investigation by an independent KC. Why don’t you have the investigation look into matters concerning Anna Lork and Dr. Sharma simultaneously? No, you won’t will you because you already know that the KC’s findings will be eh?
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’d also add looking into how the party treated Louisa Wall
    
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    September 20, 2022 12:46pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Good call Ghost, I forgot about her.
      
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      September 20, 2022 12:48pm
- Colville
  
  I didnt know that being a pissed up screaming harridan was a “style”.
  
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  September 20, 2022 12:49pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Robbo keeps forgetting Lorck is active with her poor management style even with complaints against her.
  Uffindell – decades ago events and fat chicky got upset by being fat chicky and still decades later crying about it. She probably called him worst names. We will never know.
  Robbo – glass houses and stones… just saying.
  Don’t you just laugh how Labour keeps justifying the actions of poor behaviour from their adult MP’s that should know better – Lorck, Mallard… the pattern continues.
  
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  September 20, 2022 1:12pm
- cmm
  
  Sounds a bit like the result of the Fingergate enquiry.
  
  Apparently the people who were groped failed to appreciate it too.
  
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  September 20, 2022 2:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hipkins keeps warbling on about Youth Crime levels reducing, but it seems he’s living in fantasy land.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/youth-crime-rampant-in-north-island-overnight-with-several-burglaries-police-pursuits.html
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September 20, 2022 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER WATCH

Remember when the Sussexes refused to tell Oprah which member of The-Royal-Family said…. “they hoped the baby wouldn’t be black”.

Well, it’s not hard to guess 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/RamaboduObakeng/status/1571776017492058114
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September 20, 2022 1:20pm
Nickc2

The Brits get back at Biden.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/09/brits-chant-lets-go-brandon-as-bidens-motorcade-runs-through-london-streets.html
No doubt the Beast is soundproof?
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September 20, 2022 1:20pm
Ghost

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300692870/first-volcanic-alert-level-rise-for-taup-after-hundreds-of-quakes-under-lake

The Volcanic Alert Level for Lake Taupō has been raised from 0 to 1 after more than 700 tremors have been recorded under the central North Island’s super-volcano since May this year.
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September 20, 2022 1:46pm
- surfing
  
  Yes, it is a tiny bit concerning right? The Taupo volcano erupts every 1000 years or so, and …
  
  “The last eruption at Taupō volcano was in 232 AD”
  
  So, well overdue for the next eruption. Not sure if the eruptions are big though, tsunami would be the greatest risk you’d think.
  
  Just another risk of living in the shaky isles.
  
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  September 20, 2022 1:55pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I’d take the tsunami ahead of disappearing under a layer of pumice.
    
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    September 20, 2022 2:53pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I read somewhere that rocks from the 232 AD eruption were unearthed in Queensland, with dating confirming their age. It’s difficult to imagine the forces that would be required to achieve that.
    
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    September 20, 2022 2:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not sure if the eruptions are big though
    
    Largest in the last 5,000 years.
    
    But 25,000 years ago, it produced one of the largest eruptions known.
    
    https://earthsky.org/earth/taupo-supervolcano-needs-monitoring/
    
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    September 20, 2022 3:30pm
westernScientist

perhaps there is hope for the next generation:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/129888989/lecturer-emails-diatribe-to-students-after-many-failed-to-watch-online-class
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September 20, 2022 2:20pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Not if their lecturers have anything to do with it. Strewth!
  
  He might know something about gay criminals but he doesn’t know much about students. Giving them one night to read stuff is never going to work. I always set them a tough assignment well ahead. Then they knew they needed to pay attention to be able to do it.
  
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  September 20, 2022 2:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “Ti also uploads 70-plus PowerPoint slides for each lecture, and then in the lectures recites the PowerPoint slides word-for-word.
  
  Seems a Pointless way of delivering a lecture.
  
  And no student wants to digest 70+ slides in a lecture.
  
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  September 20, 2022 3:33pm
Philview

I saw the headline about the Paddy Gower F Bomb. Sounds like crowd at the funeral were chanting ‘We love you Jacinda’ causing Paddy to swear. Paddy was obviously delighted by the crowd’s love for Jacinda. Per the article this makes Paddy a national treasure.
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September 20, 2022 2:58pm
- Ghost
  
  I couldn’t work out what was worse, the deluded people who have no idea what jacinda has done to this country, or people calling paddy the goat. I’d say he’s more like a rat or a weasel. No way in hell that reporter is a great reporter
  
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  September 20, 2022 3:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Schumer ready to throw in the towel?
https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/chuck-schumer-says-nancy-pelosi-is-in-trouble-says-democrats-will-lose-house/
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September 20, 2022 3:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some more lies from Biden. Jesus he is off base.
https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/biden-downplays-inflation-growth-hardly-at-all/
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September 20, 2022 3:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Do our Ministry of Health and the experts they rely on for Covid Propaganda know of this?
Baker, Blofeld, Hendy, Plank, the pink terror are nowhere to be seen. The silence is deafening. Have they all gone to Australia while they can?
https://redrightvideos.com/new-breakthrough-discovery-may-make-covid-19-vaccines-unnecessary/
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September 20, 2022 3:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Have embalmers in NZ come across this? And if they have, has the Govt silenced them?
https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/embalmers-find-never-seen-before-discovery-in-deceased-over-last-two-years/
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September 20, 2022 3:56pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, what puzzles me (if the story is true) is why recently retired NZ embalmers don’t speak up?
  
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  September 20, 2022 4:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine the ‘wrath’ of Jaspinda. She will never be physical, but she can make things quite difficult for anyone actually.
    You heard it here first, Jaspinda is far from finished fucking NZ over
    
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    September 20, 2022 4:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZ shut it down better. Go hard, go fast. No more oil or gas explorations.
https://thepatriotjournal.com/biden-energy-dirty-secret/?
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September 20, 2022 4:00pm
Prince

Odd that no reporter or journalist has demanded to see proof that Anna Lorck is receiving ‘leadership training’.
How do we know ? What is in the training ? Who is running it ?
So many questions, but let’s tear into National instead.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129935278/they-trust-me-christopher-luxon-says-theres-no-need-to-release-sam-uffindell-report-details
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September 20, 2022 4:40pm
Hugh Jarse

Perhaps National need to remind the media and Labour that people can be rehabilitated and go on to lead successful lives and be persuaded to leave Uffindel alone ? as an example, Gannin Ormsby has been so successfully rehabilitated that he is now able to hold down a full government time job and several government contracts at the same time after being convicted of assault on a female in 2003. Maybe his conviction has actually been an advantage in getting that role. He has truly turned his life around.
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September 20, 2022 4:48pm
Maggie Pie

WTF?

One of the girls from tennis was just telling me she drove thru Macca’s at lunchtime. Got herself a Double Cheeseburger, Fries and a Hot-Fudge-Sundae.
Surprised to find there was a card in the burger-box, asking her if she’d like to WORK at McDonalds. Gave an 0800 number to call.

As Prue said, you’d think they’d at least be a little more selective!
Why would someone driving the latest Audi e-tron RS be looking for a job there FFS?

SHEESH!!
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September 20, 2022 5:03pm
- quarterpack
  
  Double Cheeseburger, Fries and a Hot-Fudge-Sundae….. doesn’t sound like she reeks of class?
  
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  September 20, 2022 5:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    She’s actually a bit of a slut TBH.
    
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    September 20, 2022 5:53pm
Ghost

I’d wish people didn’t act like this but shit, you have no idea how you wrecked peoples lives and businesses, so you have got to expect some abuse shouted at you. But also the only protests I have seen locally have always been peacefully.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/intense-threats-deputy-pm-grant-robertson-flags-fears-for-mps-safety-on-election-campaign/75HTZMKVL6TV5RV3UPHGUII4QY/

‘Intense threats’: Deputy PM Grant Robertson flags fears for MPs’ safety on election campaign
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September 20, 2022 5:27pm
- nathie
  
  No to people abusing politicians (or anyone) but I find it hypocritical these are the same Labour politicians (and MSM) that would have smirked when National was in Govt and were regularly “attacked” by protesters, who were burning effigies of them, John Key attacked at Waitangi and having dildos thrown at Steven Joyce. No condemnations then from the left and the dildo thrower was treated as a “hero” by the left.
  
  Now we read that Grant Robertson is wanting DPS protection – since when has a Deputy required that? Unless Robbo is prepping himself to take over from Ardern when she steps down?
  
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  September 20, 2022 7:09pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah, and some of the rubbish being shouted at him is just wrong to accuse anyone of, people need to stop
    
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    September 20, 2022 8:52pm
- Littletramp
  
  These Labour MP’s prove day after day that exist in a bubble. They have no idea of the vitriol that will be heaved at them up and down the country whenever they dare to appear in public from now until the next election.
  I think they seriously wonder why!
  They shut down public meetings before the last election, and they will be too scared to attend any in the next.
  
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  September 20, 2022 7:41pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Luxons quote in this article is weak. “We need to avoid divisiveness.” Why isn’t he pouring on the Borax:
  – people shouting because Labour just aren’t listening
  – the past 5 years Labour have pushed a divisive agenda doesn’t need to add ie Ihamatau, Illegal iwi roadblocks, mandates, cogovernance, 3 waters, maori health authority, takeover of Tauranga council, not meeting with parliamentary protesters, Maori renaming of NZ/government departments, pidgeonisation of TV, etc etc
  – people have lost trust in media – just see media bias.co.nz
  
  So distrustful of legacy media I can’t be sure he was quoted properly- but let’s see if he brings out a press release where he states his full view clearly. So much ammo for him to use, if he doesn’t fire some off he will never go down in a blaze of glory.
  
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  September 20, 2022 11:29pm
Ghost

For anyone wondering if the queen survived her death, itv have confirmed it is irreversible………

https://twitter.com/goulcher/status/1571881561041293313
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September 20, 2022 7:15pm
wilderbeast

Another one from the #spewmaterial and #stitchup files – Paddy Gower drops the f bomb on a live feed, to the effect that he’s amazed how known Jacinda is in London….I mean seriously, how f*cked up and predictable has the whole thing become?
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September 20, 2022 7:55pm
Surely Knott

New poll for Auckland council elections released from taxpayers union. Wayne brown slightly ahead. But what’s interesting is that west Auckland overwhelmingly votes Wayne brown when that’s usually Labour country. In fact more in west saying Wayne Brown than the traditional blue areas.
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