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Warren

Netflix vs TVNZ vs Three : Are we witnessing the slow death of Kiwi TV.
While this story is under paywave I am posting it for the headlines as I believe you reap the seeds you sow and this will end the bullshit we have had to suffer for years that is created by there own greed, lies and deciet.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/netflix-vs-tvnz-vs-three-are-we-witnessing-the-slow-death-of-kiwi-tv/UDZ24YMBI6CQKLUASAVR3RETCE/
The public only have to look at what’s happen in Politics from these Identities and there reliance of handouts from a Government to stay afloat at the cost of truthful and unbiased reporting.
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September 18, 2022 8:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Change the Govt = changing the minister of Broadcasting/Propoganda = the end of media bribes = the media standing on their own feet = some successful media outlets = some failed media outlets = competition for profits = competition for being first with the truth = an informed public = problem solved where = means equals.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Since covid reared it’s head, we’ve slowly but surely turned the “normal” TV off. We haven’t watched terrestrial TV for at least 6 months.
  I skim read headlines to get an idea what it is I’m supposed to be thinking or engaging in, what I do see and read is mindless dross.
  We now source the bulk of our entertainment and news from alternative outlets. Sometimes we watch TVNZ on demand, usually for “The Simpsons” which is actually more stimulating than anything else on there.
  
  I can’t see this changing anytime soon. Mainstream media in NZ is a total embarrassment. Mike McRoberts in some article last week showing us how “Maori” and “tough” he is was laughable.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:25am
  - rouppe
    
    Not wrong.
    
    I like watching Star Trek series, and had been watching previous seasons of Star Trek: Discovery on tvnz on demand.
    
    The first three seasons have been reasonably entertaining, however it has taken a huge lurch for season 4. It is now unmitigated, boring, intersectional trash. So disappointing.
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:32am
  - Lee C
    
    Moi aussi.
    
    I distrust MSM and their pimps in the political elites.
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:56am
- Sacha
  
  Here are some fresh facts from 1923… “People accept the facts which come to them through existing channels. They like to hear new things in accustomed ways. They have neither the time nor the inclination to search for facts that are not readily available to them.”
  ― Edward L. Bernays, Crystallizing Public Opinion
  
  Most people don’t read beyond the headlines, or maybe the black type just below. If they click on a link, its the same: headline>1st paragraph.
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:44am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not TVNZ. Not under this government.
  
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  September 18, 2022 5:43pm
peterwn

So Helen Clark is ‘angry’ that Bank of NZ intends to sell its art collection (worth about $10M). She forgets that it is a private collection and the owners can do what they like with it.
If she is so concerned that the collection is not sold off, she should vent her anger by fundraising to purchase the works. Surely she has sufficient mana and influence to persuade 10 donors to dib in $1M each. Depending on circumstances the donors may be able to claim a 33% rebate from IRD on some or all of their donations. She could even aim for another $1M to pay a ‘commission’ to the original artists or families (a concept she no doubt continues to promote).
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September 18, 2022 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  Maybe she could sign a few “works of art” to fund raise ………oh wait.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:14am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  To Hell with Helen Clark. She seems to have forgotten that she got the arse card in 2008 and needs to withdraw from publicly expressing her opinions.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    Given Helen Clark’s history of Art Forgery, why would anyone wish to contribute to anything she attempts to achieve in the field of art and trading thereof?
    
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    September 18, 2022 8:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Captain – show some respect, she’s a high ranking person in the future unelected globalist government. Her opinions are far more important than anyone you ACTUALLY voted for……//
    
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    September 18, 2022 8:52am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Haha I love it.
      
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      September 18, 2022 9:06am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, also can we forget her charging off the stage at the Labour election gathering and brushing past Peter’s outstretched hand?
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:25am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      What about the sham marriage to Peter just to give her electoral credibility? And what about instructing the then Minister of Transport to abolish the need for 80 year olds to be tested for their driving licences, just as her parents were approaching that age?
      She is a vile, detestable women, and a socialist to boot.
      
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      September 18, 2022 10:09am
- pdm
  
  Helen Clark could sell a few of her half dozen or so rental properties and buy some of this Art.
  
  Or is she `hocked to the hilt’?
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:26am
  - Colville
    
    are you kidding?? after how many years of a $mil++ tax free UN salary?
    
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    September 18, 2022 8:45am
- Simon
  
  Clark angry over art collection. Given all of NZs many problems she gets angry over this trivial garbage. Out of touch clown from Wellington.
  
  Art is used now mainly for money laundering , it’s appropriate for a bank now to not be associated with “an art collection”.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Out of touch clown from Wellington
    
    Basically a product of Auckland.
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:16am
    - Simon
      
      “Basically a product of Auckland.”
      
      From Auckland but an out of touch state worshipper globalist clown from Wellington. Utterly unaware of the little people.
      
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      September 18, 2022 2:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oh, so you’ve heard of Hunter Biden then?
    
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    September 18, 2022 2:15pm
    - Zack Brando
      
      That’s ALL “fake news” and “Russian Propaganda”.. ask NewsHub and Stuff, they’ll set you straight.
      
      LMFAO
      
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      September 18, 2022 2:35pm
- cmm
  
  Socialists love to spend and control other people’s money.
  
  What I found more amusing is that there is a Labour standard bearer, supposedly one fighting for the workers, bemoaning the state of art – a frivolity for the Rich Pricks.
  
  Surely it would be more fitting to encourage their sale and put the money to some other purpose.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe H1 should personally sign each one to increase the value//
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:52am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Peter, I am not so sure she is that well connected to be able to persuade 10 donors to dib in $1m.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Depends on what the rich donors see in it for themselves .
    
    The WEF mob are very well connected , internationally and have massive clout through so called ESG pension and investment funds .
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:43am
- Paulus
  
  Perhaps she can sell some of her 7 houses and give the proceeds to charity !
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do any of those houses have tenants?
    I think H1 is loving the Auckland Real Estate
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Total communist rant of hers, she demands the government stop the bank selling what is theirs, rotten to the core that one
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:56am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Socialists have no quams about personal wealth accumulation. Seems like the newly minted bureaucrats in WGTN also want a piece of the action. Nothing like freebie acquisition from the BNZ paid for by nz taxpayers so they can bask and gloat over it like its their own.
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:51am
  - Paulus
    
    I have a story from some years back where a NZ Company was looking to buy a traditional London one of hundreds of years standing.
    The purchase offer was made and in principle accepted.
    It did not proceed but I was told later by a participant that the price accepted by the London Company included all the appurtenances, including the City building owned by the seller, and that included ancient Board paintings etc which the value alone actually exceeded the agreed purchase offer.
    
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    September 18, 2022 1:48pm
- Lee C
  
  She’s confusing us with people who give a f**k about her emotional stte, perhaps.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:57am
peterwn

Following from Stuff’s ‘hit’ article on Aaron Gilmore yesterday what is the betting that Stuff will run more ‘hit’ articles on National or ACT in the run-up to the 2023 election? And conversely ‘puff’ articles on other candidates.
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September 18, 2022 8:03am
- Souvlaki
  
  And in a similar vein …the Herald appears to have withdrawn the ability to comment at the end of articles. The vast bulk of comments were scathing of the Government. Have the comments been disabled “on instruction” from above…or will NZ Herald have some other excuse…?
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:17am
  - pdm
    
    Souv – there have been fewer opportunities to comment at stuff as well. Probably for the same reason – Labour taking some big hits there.
    
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    September 18, 2022 8:28am
    - Joely Doe
      
      Stuffed have ALWAYS maintained a Pro-Labour moderation policy.
      It gets so bad on some of the ‘stories’ that, at times, 40% of comments are made by the same 1-3 commentors. No one else is allowed to get a word in.
      
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      September 18, 2022 8:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Never forget, there is only one “single source of truth”. The princess said so.
    
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    September 18, 2022 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just another ‘ ban’ when the desired result goes the other way. Expect much more before the Election
    
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    September 18, 2022 8:56am
  - peterwn
    
    Herald has 55 million excuses. MSM needs this to keep going and cannot bite the hand that feeds them.
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:14am
    - Paulus
      
      Used up $55m – more Koha needed soon !
      
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      September 18, 2022 10:16am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Now, how to do that without getting caught.
        There will be ‘working groups’ working overtime on that
        
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        September 18, 2022 10:32am
- kowtow
  
  Puff pieces.
  
  Funny you say that .
  
  Today’s Ferald has a huge one on Cannabis Chloe , again. This time with flattering photos and a massive heading ” I love people”.
  
  No wonder the inner city ,latte sipping, middle class misses, lurv her so much . They think it’s the right on thing to do.The Ferald say so.
  
  Someone at the Ferald really does have CCDS.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    IMO she is a communist who wants to promote cannabis while making it more expensive and inconvenient for me to buy wine.
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:36am
    - kowtow
      
      I’m quite happy for her to be a commo or whatever else she wants to be , my problem is how the Media Pardy relentlessly promote her .
      
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      September 18, 2022 12:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  I think that will depend on how much the current Govt pays them eh?
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:28am
- Gravelroad
  
  @peterwn-
  Have you not been following the many selective articles on the “dangerous people for whom we must not vote” in the local body elections?
  Of course this will roll over to the general election next year.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:40am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You can be sure that this is a trial run. You can probably expect it to ramp up over the next month, as National candidate selections take place. A number of selections have already called for nominations, and selection meetings will be underway over the next few weeks, running through to Christmas and possibly beyond.
  
  No doubt Stuff will do due diligence on high-profile nominations, and once candidates have been selected, no stone will be left unturned. whereas all Labour and Green candidates will be nominated for sainthood.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let’s hope they do, because people are over this rotten regime. The voter will dig their toes in deeper.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:57am
kowtow

Will our media cover how quickly the illegal immigrants were shipped off Martha’s Vineyard or how, as another report puts it , Kamala Harris has spent more time there than at the border , a border which she recently declared to be “secure”.
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September 18, 2022 8:06am
- MCōs
  
  Our media is only vaguely interested in this item of American domestic politics.
  Stuff goes on all the time over there that most Kiwis don’t give a toss about. Probably most Americans don’t give a toss about either.
  No doubt the highly politicized fringe media is making a meal out of it.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:30am
- Inandout
  
  kowtow, the lies flow in the US media about this Martha’s issue. It was reported on CNN that De Santis was ‘getting rid of the trash’ by sending the illegals to the Vineyard; this statement was rapidly deleted. The Dems are absolutely apoplectic and are reaching into insanity territory by claiming De Santis has ‘created a holocaust’. Not a peep about Biden for the last year busing and flying illegals (often in secret) all over the US.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:35am
  - virtualmark
    
    Can you point to proof of any of that?
    
    I’m especially interested in evidence of the “Biden for the last year busing and flying illegals (often in secret) all over the US”. Of which I suspect there is no evidence.
    
    (Noting too that asylum seekers, who are 1 of the 3 classes of immigrants but who are not legally “illegals”, are typically moved away from the border after their first court appearance)
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:50am
    - Inandout
      
      I will leave you to research. Tip..don’t start with CNN.
      
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      September 18, 2022 10:06am
    - Nickc2
      
      I suggest you further your field of research, watching, and reading. There’s more evidence there than even you can poke a stick at.
      There’s none so blind as those who will not see!
      
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      September 18, 2022 10:12am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  If Kamala won’t go to the border the border must come to her?
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Didn’t Obama buy a huge house there? Can’t have dirty riff raff there then
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:14am
Than

A response to Ten-and-a-half reasons why you should learn te reo Māori;

(1) Ever sat in an official opening ceremony and wondered what all those words were about?

Um, no.

I can quite genuinely say I don’t even care about most of the English words in most opening ceremonies. In my experience opening ceremonies tend to be heavy on rote platitudes and jargon, meaningless “inspirational” anecdotes and quotes that don’t inspire, and generally banal trite. The thing I truly want is for them to be over as quickly as possible (and that goes for both the English and Maori portions).

(2) You can learn words that have no English equivalent.

OK, I’ll grant this one to some extent. But English has a pretty extensive vocabulary already, including many routinely-used terms borrowed from other non-Maori languages. The number of Maori words that genuinely offer some distinctive subtlety of meaning not already captured is going to be small. And I’ll also note that this argument only gives a reason to learn individual te-reo words, not the whole language.

(3) The Waiata Anthem project has translated popular New Zealand pop songs into te reo Māori for the past three years.

How is this an argument for learning Maori? If you already enjoy a song in English, what particularly is gained by listening to it in Maori? The music, the notes, instruments and tempo will be exactly the same. And with music, does understanding the lyrics really matter that much? I enjoy K-pop, Rammstein, and Bollywood musical numbers without having a clue what the words mean. How many Crusaders fans do you think understand the lyrics of Vangelis’s “Conquest of Paradise”.

(4) You’ll never get lost driving around the North Island again because Kaiaua and Kawerau start to sound different once you’ve nailed your te reo vowels.

Does pronunciation really matter in navigation? In 99% of cases you’ll be typing place names into a GPS or following road signs. Either way the main thing is knowing how to spell the place name, how it is pronounced is irrelevant.

(5) You will gain deeper understanding of our unique physical land. The provenance of the language evolved from people who lived closely to the land and, over 50 or 60 generations, this connection has become interwoven with the language. That there are many words for types of wind or that whakataukī draw upon common weather or wildlife characteristics brings a richer understanding of life in the three islands of Aotearoa.

I honestly don’t even know how to parse this nonsensical BS. What does this ridiculous word-salad even mean?

(6) You’re a New Zealander, right?

This “reason” to learn Maori just shows what vile, exclusionary bigots those pushing this agenda are.

I was born in the South Island, and spent all my life there until a few years ago. I love my meat pies and fish and chips, and went to rugby and cricket games with my father. I have a New Zealand birth certificate and passport. And yet, according to this nasty individual, if I choose not to waste my time learning Maori I am apparently not a New Zealander.

I have only one response to this – Fuck You. Choosing not to learn Maori does not in any way make me any less of a New Zealander. If you truly believe that, it says more about you than me.

(7) As a metaphorical language, te reo Māori encourages us to use signals and parallel meanings. Kua hinga te tōtara i Te Waonui a Tāne (A tōtara has fallen in the forest of Tāne) means a leader has passed away. Kāore te kumara e whaakii ana tana reka (The kumara does not say how sweet it is) shows the importance of humility. I’ve noticed that learning these whakataukī (proverbs) has improved my ability to bring more symbolism into my English prose, making my native tongue more interesting.

First comment, the use of proverbs and metaphors is hardly unique to Maori. Every language and culture does it. Many of these can be insightful or useful and they can be well-worth learning. But it is certainly not something unique to te reo Maori.

Second comment, proverbs can be just as useful when translated. Take an example given above – “the kumara does not say how sweet it is”. It’s a great insight and well-expressed. But it’s just as useful when translated into English. I didn’t need to learn Maori to gain value from it.

(8) In te ao Māori, words can be gifts. Your understanding of proper nouns, place names and markers will deepen with your appreciation of the imagination and knowledge that goes into naming.

And yet again, this is not something unique (or even particularly distinctive) about te reo Maori. Almost every culture will have at least a few distinctive and memorable place names. Take “The Sign of the Takahe” (for those unfamiliar, this is the name of a historic building in Christchurch) or “The Golden Gate Bridge” (which is not literally golden or literally a gate) as English language examples. And likewise every culture will have plenty of simple, functional names, like Rotoiti (“little lake”).

Plus again, taking advantage of this does not require learning the whole Maori language. All that is needed is to learn the specific name you want to bring up and it’s etymology. Several times we had visitors from overseas in the factory and we used the Maori name for the South Island, Te Waipounamu, meaning “the water(s) of Greenstone” as a conversation piece. (Of course the fact that in English the island almost doesn’t have a name, simply being “the South Island” made for almost as much conversation, but never mind that.)

(9) We live in the only place on the entire planet where te reo Māori is an official and regularly-used language. Besides your being able to deliver a great party trick during your trips to Paris or Uzbekistan, this is reason enough to help keep the language alive.

The author of this piece should re-read that first sentence. Because this isn’t a reason to learn Maori – it’s a very strong reason not to bother learning Maori. New Zealand is the only place in the world you will ever use it, and even there calling it regularly used (outside of very forced and artificial use by the media and government) is extremely dubious. Its utility as a language is pretty much zero.

If you’re in Paris or Uzbekistan, OK throwing out a few words of Maori might be a neat party trick. But how much more practical and useful would be learning a few phrases of French or Uzbek. Plus the locals will appreciate you learning their language as well, earning you more kudos than knowing some random Polynesian language they’ve probably never heard of.

(9.5) In many circles, you can win friends and influence people because you can properly wrap your tongue around a good combined diphthong like ‘auau‘, or nāianei, making those of us not raised on a marae sound, well, pretty switched on.

All I can say to this is the author travels in very, very different social circles than I do.

(10) It’s a big year for the language. Fifty years ago, a group of young people presented a petition to Parliament calling for te reo to be taught in schools and made official, triggering the language’s renaissance we are experiencing today. You too can be part of this movement. Why not? Start your te reo journey and be part of our nation’s efforts to keep our indigenous language alive.

Fifty years of people wasting their time is not something to celebrate.
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September 18, 2022 8:07am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Than – excellent analysis and comments. Spot on.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:28am
- JerJer
  
  Love the bit about NZ being the only place on earth that the dead language is regularly used. It’s it? And if so, by who. According to statistics this week only 2% of the population that says they are Māori can actually hold a conversation in it (a whole 16,000 people). The target of 1 million speakers by 2040 has been reduced to 200k, and the number of people that can speak more than three words has increased from 5% to 7% in five years.
  
  That’s a failure worse than kiwi build right there, and a sure sign that absolutely no one cares (including Māori) so really they should just give up now. I agree with the commentator the reasons for learning the dead language are simply laughable. It would be more advantageous to learn the language of earthworms comparatively speaking.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:33am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘We live in the only place on the entire planet where te reo Māori is an official and regularly-used language’.
    
    Well, apart from the Cook Is.
    
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    September 18, 2022 5:53pm
- Phronesis
  
  Re (5) Best evidence is maori have been here for 800 years or so. For 60 generations that would mean the average mother was 12 or 13 at first pregnancy. Probably quite an accurate estimate! It would of course be racist to suggest there might be anything wrong with that.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:37am
- Nickc2
  
  Another reason for not learning Te Reo is that I don’t want to.
  Isn’t that good enough?
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:40am
  - kowtow
    
    Another bigly one is ;
    “them wanting me to”
    
    Just like they want to stop us driving or owning cars .
    
    It’s all become so political. Even wanting to drive your car .
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yea, fuck them I say. I’ve got two cars and there’s only me. That’s my rebellion for the cause.
      
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      September 18, 2022 10:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nothing wrong with having a Landcruiser and a little shitbox Kia. They both serve their purposes
        
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        September 18, 2022 10:45am
      - rouppe
        
        At the moment I have 2 cars and 2 motorbikes and it’s only me.
        
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        September 18, 2022 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good stuff. Wonder if Lana Hart will read your comments?
  Lana Hart types are part of NZs problems
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:49am
- Dave
  
  To your excellent fisking, I would add that none of these are reasons why I would voluntarily learn a language.
  
  I think #5 is a variation of #8, ie, place names can tell something of the history or geography of a place; often interesting, but scarcely a reason for learning a language, and there is an online database of Maori place names and their meanings for those who want to know.
  
  The many words for types of wind is a variation of the dubious many-Inuit-words-for-snow claim, with the same problem – the meaning can be expressed in English through noun phrases, and if you really need to use a particular word often enough , borrow it – hence, hurricane, typhoon.
  
  #6 is the local equivalent of the no-true-Scotsman fallacy.
  
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  September 18, 2022 1:45pm
- The Feed
  
  Te Reo appears to be mostly used by middle aged, left wing white women.
  
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  September 18, 2022 7:56pm
Yvette

“3 Waters” – drip, drip, drip …
… Some commentators paint a picture of Ardern as being held hostage to the agendas of the senior Maori leaders such as Nanaia Mahuta and Willie Jackson. Journalist Graham Adams, for example, has written about how Ardern doesn’t show any great enthusiasm for, or belief in, her Government’s controversial Three Waters reform programme, and as a very cautious and poll-driven leader, “would normally back away from any policy as widely disliked as Three Waters soon after the poll results arrived on her desk”.
Adams argues that the Māori caucus has pursued many of the most important and controversial reform agendas of the current Government – this “includes setting up a separate Māori Health Authority, easing the path to Māori wards, handing more power to iwi in the conservation estate, in local government, and the Resource Management Act”.

… the Three Waters reform programme has become an albatross around the Government’s neck, which few are willing to defend. It will continue to cost Labour popular support. But should Labour pull back on the more controversial parts of the programme, such as giving half of the control over water assets to iwi?
The problem is that to do so would be to give Te Pati Māori a huge stick to beat Labour with. It could seriously jeopardise Labour’s hold on their Māori seats next year. Likewise, pulling back on the Government’s co-governance agenda would create havoc for the Māori caucus. A Māori caucus rebellion in Labour would be guaranteed.
https://democracyproject.nz/2022/09/16/bryce-edwards-labours-fraught-battle-to-retain-the-maori-vote/

■ Three Waters has the potential to divide the nation

■ Three Waters has the potential for Maori Elite, and Middle Class Maori to divide from Maori who are not in the Maori Elite or Middle Class Maori communities.

■ And, as indicated above, Three Waters has the potential to divide the Labor Party itself.

Why is Luxon not more vocal now in pointing this out.
Especially as the Water Services Entities Bill – to establish the four publicly owned, “co-governance” water services entities – has already had a first reading in Parliament, and is in Select Committee now.

Ardern should be forced to explain where the nation-wide non-Maori side of the “conversation “ she promised actually is.
Will she say the select committee was it. You have had your say.
Sorry, the legislation has been passed.
No Maori Caucus split off. Done deal. Checkmate
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September 18, 2022 8:08am
- lastmanstanding
  
  With regards to 3 Waters and the Nats remember never interrupt your enemy when they are digging themselves a big hole.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:31am
  - Prince
    
    Exactly.
    Luxon has said 3 Waters legislation will be revoked.
    What more do you want ?
    So vote for his party, or Act, and make clear you expect that promise to be kept.
    Meanwhile, let Labour dig deeper.
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:17am
- kowtow
  
  Emptying the prisons is another .
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:52am
- Ghost
  
  How much more vocal do you want national to be, jezz, they had signs all around our town stating national will revoke three waters and to please sign their petition against it. Luxon talks about it every time he is in town.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:20am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Ghost and Prince-
    I guess some of us who have followed national (with a small n and with a capital N) politics over a long time have found that what they say they will do whilst in opposition is not necessarily what they do when they achieve power.
    It is a matter of trust.
    
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    September 18, 2022 1:08pm
- rouppe
  
  This whole agenda is about creating a Maori oligarchy.
  
  It actually isn’t too different to the Russian leadership giving oil and gas to their Russian mates, creating that oligarchy.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s identical.
    
    Powerful Politicos gifting the Nation’s resources to a few select mates.
    
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    September 18, 2022 12:09pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    I think it’s more like a mafia. Family based. A tax on every economic endeavour. People who disagree are attacked.
    
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    September 18, 2022 2:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Corrupt politicians enable gangsters.
      
      https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2019/12/16/gangs-and-gulags-how-vladimir-putin-utilizes-organized-crime-to-power-his-mafia-state/
      
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      September 18, 2022 3:18pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Feudal. Aristocracy & peasants.
      
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      September 18, 2022 5:57pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  A time will come when they will need to put 3 waters to a vote, let the bloody process take its place, look what happened when the Nats dig in when they tried to vote to tax KiwiSaver, it’s all about timing
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:18am
- kiwimike
  
  Yvette
  
  Because Christopher Luxon. Nicola Willis % National (60% of them) are Woke.
  The also have the Treaty & Climate Zealots amongst them too.
  
  National signed us up to the UNDIP even though Maori aren’t Indigenous, as they proudly name the 7 Waka they came to NZ on.
  
  National’s own Constitution holds Te Riti center as the founding document of NZ. (it is on their website).
  I have not got one National MP to engage on this yet and I have tried.
  
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  September 18, 2022 3:18pm
kowtow

Biden admits he wasn’t ‘arrested’ trying to visit convicted terrorist Mandela , a claim he made three times in 2020. No he was”stopped”.( even that claim is up for debate)
Bigly difference anyway.
What would our msm make of this had it been Orange Man Bad.
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September 18, 2022 8:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

Growing gangs..

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2209/S00090/three-new-gang-members-a-day-under-labour.htm
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September 18, 2022 8:17am
- Simon
  
  Madness of the clowns running NZ to keep criminal scum out prison. Not everyone who has had a terrible childhood turns into a criminal. Until the prison population has doubled crime will be a major problem
  
  It will be six yrs of loving criminals by time National gets back in. Luxon should signal that the party is over and the prison numbers will be resorted. Luxon is in a postion now to achieve something positive for society but the grinning clown will remain on the sidelines getting his jollies.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:33am
  - Prince
    
    Resorted ? Surely prisons are well-equiped as it is. How many swimming pools, saunas, masseurs etc do you envisage ?
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Wait till Nats unfold polices, they have stated late this year early next, one of the posters on here has been working on policy in Wellington, so don’t say they won’t have policy. Go and listen to what Nats police spokesman has been saying, Nats and act will be strong on crime, they may well bring 3 strikes back
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:23am
    - peterwn
      
      Simon Bridges promised to. No doubt Chris Luxon and his team are giving this serious consideration. David Seymour will be too. Hard to tell if it would be a vote winner or a vote loser especially as MSM could run a significant anti 3S media campaign that could lose votes for National.
      
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      September 18, 2022 12:07pm
- Warren
  
  Well with a Government and the Judiciary dishing out sentences like this,
  “Mongrel Mob members in lucative drug ring get reduced prison time for horrific childhoods”
  This is just anther example of the Government’s soft on crime policies.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The name of the person they were working for raised a casual eyebrow; Michael Ormsby of the Waikato MM, the gang who claimed they no longer dealt drugs.
    
    Waikato folk; is the name Ormsby common in and around Hamilton, or is there a connection between this chap and another named Ormsby who has been in the media a bit lately?
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      There will be, the only other Ormbsy I have heard of is Chad Ombsy a very good jokey funnily enough from Waikato
      
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      September 18, 2022 11:26am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Ormsby is a well known name around Tauranga & environs.
        
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        September 18, 2022 5:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It seems to be a common enough name in the Waikato Mongrel Mob.
      
      Paula Ormsby is the Leader of their Wahine chapter and was telling us back in 2019 that the Kingdom mobsters were getting out of Meth dealing and consumption
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/116178302/mongrel-mob-says-womenonly-chapter-to-be-established-next-year
      
      Message must have failed to get through to the Boss Man – Michael Ormsby – who had been convicted in 2010 for Meth dealing…and then was sentenced again this year.
      
      Two of Michael Ormsby’s brothers are also in the MM.
      
      Two of Ormsby’s older brothers and cousin were already in the gang, all of whom went on to serve prison sentences.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waikato-mongrel-mob-member-identified-as-meth-ring-financier-jailed-for-money-laundering/BODCEIINRYNUGPFSEQZUYVQZPY/
      
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      September 18, 2022 3:11pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What about the 3 times rapist on home d
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:24am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      5 times rapist, and filmed one of them.
      
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      September 18, 2022 12:21pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    I would ask whether these chaps with horrific childhoods are ensuring their own kids are not experiencing the same thing. If they are maybe it’s better the sperm donors are kept in prison so the cycle can be broken.
    
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    September 18, 2022 4:30pm
- cmm
  
  Really? Only 3?
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  3 a day? Imagine if NZ could get an increase of 3 a day manual workers for the seasonal work
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:58am
Alex

In view of reports about NZ TV channels I notice the UK Ministry of Defense are making their updates on Russia Ukraine war on Twitter. 21st century wars are now fought on social media as well as the Battlefield.
Recent report on Twitter says supplies from Belgorad in Russia are being cut off.
Ukrainians have crossed the Oskil River towards Svatore which is a main supply route for Russians.
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September 18, 2022 8:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The UK MOD? You might as well quote the Russian MOD. “The first casualty in war is the truth”.
  
  There are no reliable sources of data re what is happening in Ukraine. We’ll know when it’s over, or when the first ICBMs streak across the sky.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:31am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Wrong. There are many reliable sources but the situation is complex. What is unreliable is overall assessment which is inevitable when trying to draw sufficient conclusions from insufficient data.
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:54am
  - Greenheart
    
    Assertions aside, what is your evidence that theUK MOD is not a reliable source of information. Perhaps you prefer RT.
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:14am
  - Simon Arnold
    
    Try Institute for the Study of War https://www.understandingwar.org/ that tries reasonably hard.
    
    To quote:
    
    “ISW does not receive any classified material from any source, uses only publicly available information, and draws extensively on Russian, Ukrainian, and Western reporting and social media as well as commercially available satellite imagery and other geospatial data as the basis for these reports. References to all sources used are provided in the endnotes of each update.”
    
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    September 18, 2022 12:08pm
    - Alex
      
      Simon,
      I agree the social media is an invaluable source and all sources not expressly official ones.
      Even pro Russian bloggers like Igor Girkin a former leader of separatist forces in East Ukraine said “Ukraine has already won, the rest is a matter of time.”He can get away with saying this because he is pro Russian.
      
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      September 18, 2022 2:21pm
  - Alex
    
    Clan McLeod,
    Uk Telegraph is one of few sources allowed into Izyum. They see it at first hands watch bodies being exhumed.
    
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    September 18, 2022 2:09pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    This Chanel gives daily details from
    Satellite images, Ukraine & Russian MOD, plus reports from social media in the Villages of conflict.
    
    Daily updates
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHiepANI_gg&t=1ses.
    
    A bit dry but lots of actual FACTS!!
    Without the bobbing heads and opinions of MSM.
    
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    September 18, 2022 3:18pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ra – cheers, I’ll check it out. I get sick of reading and watching stuff then having to dig down to find out who they are, where they are from, who is funding them and trying to decide if they have a bias or not. It would be good to know the actual truth of the matter.
      
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      September 19, 2022 7:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

I realise it is still Maori Language Week and perhaps our Journalists have taken their focus away from everyday English, but I would expect they knew how to spell common words.

Along is not the same as a long and where as does not mean whereas.

In that time the three of them say that kapa haka and te reo Māori has come along way but there’s still lots of mahi to be done.

“You were lucky if you had one Māori tutor in a school and they had to do the whole school, where as now you’ve got so much more choice but we don’t have enough te reo Māori speaking people to choose the best we can to further the reo,” Poa said.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018859072/mawai-hakona-kapa-haka-group-reflect-on-te-reo-maori-journey
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September 18, 2022 8:33am
- cmm
  
  You would hope wordsmiths could use their tools a bit better.
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:50am
- graham
  
  That’s almost unbelievable. How on earth does a so-called journalist get away with publishing that and still keep their job?
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:29am
  - Nickc2
    
    Dats cos day wernt tort propa eh?
    
    However, I’d suggest they probably got all their necessary credits for Kapa Haka and Guitar Strumming.
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:34am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Sub editors are a dead breed?
    
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    September 18, 2022 6:01pm
westernScientist

Its almost as though when the police and judiciary let criminals go free to continue to commit more crimes people have to defend themselves…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300677529/rural-vigilantes-the-country-people-taking-the-law-into-their-own-hands
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September 18, 2022 8:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  People running loose who should be in a mental institution damage themselves and others.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:56am
pdm

Tragedy in Napier last evening as Wellington lift the Ranfurly Shield.

Bugger!!!!

Still Wellington do have history of keeping it for only one or two challenges so there is hope it will soon return to The Bay.
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September 18, 2022 8:38am
- Prince
  
  Congrats to the Bay for their long tenure, but it is time we had our turn.
  Only a week until Waikato challenge so I hope Wgton Rugby has a full schedule for school and club visits in place quickly.
  That Wgton #8 looks the goods. Expect Crusaders or the Blues to have their cheque books out.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Highlanders seem to have a link possibly from Joesph to Wellington forwards, he will be great back up to Marino
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:28am
    - MCōs
      
      Don’t know he’d want to be associated with that bunch of losers.
      
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      September 18, 2022 12:42pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Black & yellow, black & yellow, black & yellow!
    
    Nice to have some Wellington news that doesn’t involve the dysfunctional Council & their delusional policies.
    
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    September 18, 2022 6:05pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t worry, it will be in the Waikato next week, it’s quite hoo when it goes around a bit
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:27am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/government-minister-peeni-henare-doesn-t-want-compulsory-te-reo-m-ori-in-schools.html

Have I stepped into an alternate reality, or have we reached the turning point? Too much virtue signaling and bastardisation of the language and now he is saying he doesn’t want people (whitey) to use it.

You stole our land and now you are stealing our language. Its one step away from being rascist to speak Maori.

Of course it shouldn’t be compulsory. Show me how my kids learning it will help their education in the slightest (especially if it cuts into time spent on actual subjects), or how forcing the language on people will bring one Maori family out of poverty.

Compulsory or not it’s almost the dominant language at most primary schools already. I just can’t work out why…
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September 18, 2022 8:39am
- Yvette
  
  Opie – and now Minister Peeni Henare is saying he doesn’t want people (whitey) to use it.
  
  Minister Peeni Henare should perhaps give back the European (whitey’s) alphabet and evolve a Maori alphabet of his own – not only will is stop te Reo Maori being framed in Eupeopean terms, but help prevent the bastardisation of Minister Peeni Henare’s language, as even fewer would understand it.
  
  Without the European alphabet, where would te Reo Maori be?
  Probably used by the Maori ēlite, where Minister Peeni Henare wants it to be.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:12am
  - Nickc2
    
    Without English words to convert into Te Reo, where would the Maori language and those paid to do the conversion be eh?
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Some Te Reo words shouldn’t be translated, we are told.
      
      https://theconversation.com/tokenism-and-te-reo-maori-why-some-things-just-shouldnt-be-translated-190140
      
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      September 18, 2022 12:05pm
- Prince
  
  Just one more step on the journey for the Hermit Kingdom.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:27am
- Ra Henare
  
  It would appear that many commenters are anglophones and do not understand that culture and language are intertwined.
  
  Of course English has been bastardised???
  In to Strine, Yank, Canadian, etc etc to try and reflect that difference in those different cultures.
  
  I would support the Minister(not just because of his name 🙂 but because it makes more sense to me to use the scarcity of good Te Reo teachers to strengthen that culture and language where it will have most effect. AND be most appreciated.
  
  eg Trying to teach an 11/12 year old white boy from a pommy family Te Reo is. INMHO an absolute waste of resource.
  
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  September 18, 2022 5:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m a bit of a fan of the Oxford comma.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/16/therese-coffey-oxford-comma-health-secretary-grammar
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September 18, 2022 8:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  If I were in Coffey’s department I would be looking for the earliest opportunity to put to her a sentence which is rendered rude or ridiculous by the absence of the comma. Such as “this policy will benefit those of subnormal intelligence, Tory voters and women”
  
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  September 18, 2022 8:59am
- cmm
  
  I had that caned out of me in high school, but there is certainly some logic to it.
  
  “I would like to thank my parents, Ayan Rand and God.”, which the Oxford comma could clear up, could also be avoided if people used the colon more.
  
  If you really mean that your parents are Ayan Rand and God, then you could write something like the following:
  
  “I would like to thank my parents: Ayan Rand and God”.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:00am
- Jack5
  
  From the web …
  
  An Oxford comma walks into a bar, where it spends the evening watching the television getting drunk and smoking cigars.
  
  Britain’s new deputy Prime Minister, Coffey, who dislikes the Oxford comma, uses two of the five French accents in her Christian name: Thérèse.
  
  Outdoes NZ Green MP Chlöe Warbrick, who puts the “umlaut” on the first vowel of her first name, while generally, when used on the name in English it goes on the second vowel – Chloë. If she wants to be truly authentic the original name in Greek is Χλόη.
  
  Coffey sounds like a grammar fanatic. We used to have one in a National Cabinet. What was his name? A lawyer bloke, who before he became a list MP, negotiated the sweetheart settlement for Ngai Tahu.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:23am
  - Prince
    
    The best Minister for TOW negotiations we ever had, along with Doug Graham.
    Look at the state of Maori-European relationship now. How many settlements has Angry Andy completed ? One ? Even ?
    And then…
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/386561/50-complaints-against-andrew-little-over-treaty-settlement
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:37am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      No surprise that this Government can’t even give money away successfully. Both the Ministers you praise appear to have been right prats who have merely created a racist elite.
      
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      September 18, 2022 11:18am
      - Jack5
        
        Prince’s: …best Minister for TOW negotiations we ever had, along with Doug Graham.
        
        Best for Maori claimants.
        
        “The Minister” in his lawyering days before he became a list MP, with Doug Graham on the Government side, gave Ngai Tahu, among other things, first right to State assets being sold in the South Island – for ever!
        
        The ex-Minister, whose name we must not say, did a brilliant job as counsel for Ngai Tahu. Then, when in Parliament, he was the relevant Minister when the tribe qualified for its big settlement top-up.
        
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        September 18, 2022 12:53pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Me too, Maggie. It definitely has its place.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:58am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Oops, sorry for misspelling.
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Really? I can not think of a single reason, why the hell would anyone want their kids learning Māori when most of our world revolves around English?
    
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    September 18, 2022 11:31am
ClanMcleod

El gato malo does a long but excellent analysis regarding the insanity of the last 3 years. There will be many more as this narrative unravels.

– one of the great questions in the covidian chronicles is perhaps the simplest and thus the least asked.

how did we go from “that which everybody knew” which was sound and reasoned and in accordance with accepted perception and practice (existing pandemic preparedness plans) – to “that which made no sense” and had never before seemed plausible?

it occurred so quickly one might mistake it for a phase change.

“one day, there was no problem and you should go on a cruise. the next we need to close the world.

one day, it was pretty obvious that the “coincidence” of this new virus with its implausible history and genetic structure was likely a lab leak from the wuhan institute of virology that was doing research on gain of function in these exact viruses and the next, that was crazy talk spread by dangerous loons and conspiracists.”

The ranks closed rapidly. Anyone suggesting a lab leak was smeared and de-platformed, or punished in one form or another. But the narrative is unraveling.

Robert Redfield was the former head of the CDC. He spoke out early on, then went silent as the information gatekeepers did their thing. However he was interviewed recently and what he’s saying is alarming on a number of vectors.

“Tony and I are friends, but we don’t agree on this at all,” Redfield told me. “The potential for conspiracy is really on the other side. The conspiracy is Collins, Fauci, and the established scientific community that has acted in an antithetical way to science.”

Speaking with me from his home in Baltimore, Redfield said that evidence in favor of a lab accident in China continues to accumulate and he expects more classified information to become public

The questions and the analysis are superb. Anyone genuinely interested in figuring out how the last 3 years came to be should read it.
There are many more questions that need answered. Here are just a few. There are more in the blog post.

how did we go from “lockdowns are crazy and do not work” to “lock down to save to world” in a matter of 2 weeks? who actually drove that and who made the decisions and why? it was certainly not based in science. so what was it? politics? money? foreign influence? panic? how was everyone whipped into perfect synchrony on this issue like well drilled rockettes?

how did we lose the idea that “testing asymptomatic people using high Ct PCR is a terrible idea that will generate reams of faulty data” and instead kick off a testing complex worth a $1 billion a week in the US alone at some points? whose idea was that?

how did masks go from “these don’t work, don’t protect you, don’t stop spread and here’s a ream of WHO and other data that says so” to “if you don’t mask up, you’ll kill every grandma and teacher alive!” overnight?

why were safe, possible effective treatments eliminated and excoriated in unprecedented fashion to the point of outright bans while junk drugs that failed their trials were whisked through on shoddy studies and after the fact endpoint alteration?

this is not a set of questions we can afford to get half-assed answers on.

without a thorough understanding of the root causes and culprits here, this WILL happen again over any one of 100 pretexts.

let’s not do that, shall we?

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/closing-ranks-against-the-truth?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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September 18, 2022 8:55am
Rusty

Waikato challenge Wellington for the shield next weekend. Going on Wellingtons bad record at defending the log of wood it could go.

Good on Hawkes bay for defending it 14 times. They have the 3rd best record with defences after Auckland and Canterbury.
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September 18, 2022 9:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Waikato are unbeaten I believe this year, Northland and another lower team have beaten Wellington this year
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:33am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘Waikato are unbeaten I believe this year’.
    
    Not any more, old son. You should have had more faith in the blue & yellows.
    
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    September 18, 2022 6:09pm
- MCōs
  
  How many of those Magpie games were against teams like the McKenzie Country Club?
  
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  September 18, 2022 12:58pm
  - Rusty
    
    MCos – untrue. Hawkes bay had 2 games against Heartland teams then beat Counties, Nth Harbour, and Southland this year.
    
    Similar format last year and then beating teams like Otago, Tasman and Waikato.
    
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    September 18, 2022 1:13pm
cmm

Hug your lightbulb.

South Africa is currently on “stage 5” load shedding with most people having no power for 8 hours a day (granted, there are many people who have never had power, but that’s another matter).

It has been predicted by their power utility, Eskom, that they will have load shedding for over 300 days in the next 12 months. Of course, as things get worse, the one year of badness is looking quite optimistic.

That “load shedding” is in addition to “load reduction” where the grid cannot carry enough electricity in some areas. This is mainly in places like Soweto where some people have added their own connections and are not paying for the electricity they use. While there might only be a low % of bad apples, the entire region is impacted. Some areas go without power for weeks on end.

It is also in addition to what they call a “virtual power station”. Lovely Lefty wordplay for telling large industrial customers like smelters to turn off their loads. Somehow they make that sound like production. Perhaps they all went to business school with Robbo.

Reliable generation has decreased from about 36 to 40GW twenty years ago to struggling to provide only 25-30GW. This despite massive spending over the last 5 years on renewable follies. The emphasis of Eskom is to provide a conduit to rip off the coffers – not actually provide electricity.

Now if that sounds bad, then consider that South Africa only has about 5% of the population of the whole of Africa, but produces 2/3 of the electricity.
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September 18, 2022 9:15am
- emmess
  
  Welcome to the WEF agenda
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:09am
- Matt Long
  
  Those Jaapies eh? Not only stole the electricity from the Zulu but from all of Africa.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:59am
Maggie Pie

WATCH

The-Streets-of-London…..

Cyclist likely to face arrest for GBH after coming to rescue of 10 Cops.

https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1570859575750053888
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September 18, 2022 9:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m permanently suspended from Twitter, can’t watch it without logging in…….bastards won’t even delete the account even though I’ve asked them to, multiple times.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:37am
  - Ghost
    
    It isn’t on YouTube yet but it likely will be, a dick stabbed two police officers, 10 cops were struggling to get him, guy picks up his bike and throws it at said dick, police arrest said dick who is on the ground after having a bike thrown at him. Guy deserves an award
    
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    September 18, 2022 9:58am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Said ‘DICK’ appears to be usual suspect.
      
      Mayor Sadiq Khan’s London……sigh.
      
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      September 18, 2022 10:30am
  - Joely Doe
    
    VPN and then they can Foxtrot Oscar…
    
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    September 18, 2022 3:11pm
Gravelroad

Hen Pecked Harry has managed to whinge his way into being allowed to wear his fancy “it’s all about me” uniform at his Grandmother’s Lying in State.
Even though he is not now in the military and resigned as a working member of the Royal family because his missus didn’t like it.
Harry might do well to have a read of what happened to his ancestor King Edward V111 when he abdicated in favour of the “woman he loved.”
Both of them spoilt, needy boys.
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September 18, 2022 9:28am
- virtualmark
  
  To be fair to Harry, he did two tours in Afghanistan. Yes, being a former soldier doesn’t entitle him to wear a uniform. But it must grate when he sees his Uncle Edward and Aunt Anne decked out in full regalia.
  
  Same goes for Andrew, who took part in the Falklands War.
  
  Ironically, the two in the family who’ve actually fought for the Queen are the two who were told they couldn’t walk in uniform.
  
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  September 18, 2022 9:55am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yep- Princess Anne has not served in the operational sense AFAIK.
    But she is a Royal Navy Admiral, attaining that rank in 2012.
    British Army General – 2020 and Air Chief Marshall.
    She has many other military titles both in the UK and across the Commonwealth including Colonel in Chief of the Royal NZ Army Nursing Corps.
    She is also the Royal who clocks up the most attendances, visits and commemorations annually.
    Think I’d be relying on her before some of the others.
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:20am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      From what I have seen she seems to be more intelligent, hard working, and have more common sense than her three siblings.
      
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      September 18, 2022 10:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Not sure which Navy Princess Anne was in although her current husband appears to have a Navy Uniform on as well.
    
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    September 18, 2022 10:25am
    - Simon Arnold
      
      Sir Timothy Laurence, retired Vice Admiral, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Laurence
      
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      September 18, 2022 12:03pm
  - mogg
    
    After their recent behaviour their regiments don’t want them as their representatives, so they have both been booted. Are you suggesting that the royals should act against the wishes of the men who served alongside them.
    
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    September 18, 2022 2:37pm
  - kiwimike
    
    one a wet and the other lent $12 to pay off a rape & trafficking charge…
    
    no no uniform for you…
    
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    September 18, 2022 3:31pm
- MCōs
  
  There is a much closer parallel between Kings Edward & Charles, both of whom married divorced women, which I believe was the cause of the former’s abdication.
  The rules seem to have been conveniently changed to accommodate the latter, who was also a serial adulterer.
  But hey ho let’s put the boot into Harry for introducing some colour into the bloodline.
  
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  September 18, 2022 1:21pm
  - MCōs
    
    https://twitter.com/sarahdata_/status/1570193596652953600?s=21&t=RYOQsvtgcRihm44Rj9zK1g
    
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    September 18, 2022 1:29pm
- greybeard
  
  The whole world knows ( or suspects quite rightly ) that prince Harry is NOT Charles’s son.
  And Harry’s mother , Diana, was not Royalty.
  Therefore Harry is in fact NOT a member of the Windsor Royal Family.
  And that would explain his , and the Royal Family’s , behaviour over the years.
  
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  September 18, 2022 6:37pm
ClanMcleod

The Babylon Bee does some delicious satire.

Migrants Decline Newsom’s Offer Of Asylum In CA Since They Just Came From A Collapsing Communist Hellhole With No Electricity

https://babylonbee.com/news/migrants-decline-newsoms-offer-of-asylum-in-ca-since-they-just-came-from-a-collapsing-communist-hellhole-with-no-electricity?utm_source=The%20Babylon%20Bee%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email
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September 18, 2022 9:42am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Brilliant!
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That vid clip at the end is great!
  Texan: ‘We don’t have no crime here”
  Moron: “How come?”
  Texan: ” Coz everyone has a gun”
  
  Serious – there are some truly fucked up people that have been brainwashed by Covid Media.
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Better not migrate to SA either
  
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  September 18, 2022 6:13pm
Ghost

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/backlash-major-covid-origins-report-suggests-virus-could-have/

The Lancet is facing a backlash after a major Covid-19 Commission report suggested the disease may have leaked from a laboratory in the United States.

Published on Wednesday, the paper said it remains “feasible” that Sars-Cov-2 emerged from either a natural spillover or a laboratory incident, and called for the introduction of more safeguards to reduce the risk of either eventuality.
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September 18, 2022 10:37am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I read the original report. It says that unless the Chinese authorities make available all they know to an independent investigation, we are likely to never know where the virus came from.
  
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  September 18, 2022 10:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Martha’s Vineyard – The United Spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJmV2eHxJzk
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September 18, 2022 11:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Now send the buses to those woke units saying there is a borderless world
  
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  September 18, 2022 11:35am
Suze Wainwright

Does anyone know how Andrea Vance’s Blue Blood is doing sales wise?

I’ve been in two bookstores this morning and the piles I saw available of it would suggest it’s not exactly flowing out the door…
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September 18, 2022 12:29pm
- Ghost
  
  Don’t know about in the shops but on Amazon for ebooks here is the ranking
  
  Best Sellers Rank: #458,255 in Kindle Store (See Top 100 in Kindle Store)
  #1,466 in Political Science (Kindle Store)
  #26,414 in Politics & Government (Books)
  
  For physical books on Amazon
  
  Best Sellers Rank: #7,604,823 in Books
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Blood-Inside-National-Crisis-ebook/dp/B0B6TPZMY9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Y3EEWMUFLNQ1&keywords=Andrea+Vance&qid=1663461001&sprefix=andrea+vance%2Caps%2C319&sr=8-1
  
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  September 18, 2022 12:34pm
  - glowworm
    
    That’s about the same as my chess rating on chess.com!
    
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    September 18, 2022 2:52pm
- Nickc2
  
  Who the F cares?
  
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  September 18, 2022 6:15pm
Swifty

Shaneel Lal has a go at the Brits:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaneel-lal-queens-death-black-brown-and-indigenous-communities-are-mourning-their-ancestors-and-culture/JVUO5BWKSUPPDN26VEYFA5YKSQ/

However, next week ‘they’ can be assured to cover off Indian murderous invasions of their neighbours:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_invasion_of_Srivijaya

Or the endless horrific wars within India:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_India

You know, for balance…..
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September 18, 2022 12:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Or maybe ‘they’ will cover the disgraceful situations where Indians have and continue to routinely slaughter each other for holding different beliefs:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India
  
  Again, for balance…….
  
  Waiting.
  
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  September 18, 2022 12:42pm
Benedict Yu

I came across this speech by Don Brash in 2004. I did not know he was once leader of the National Party. Before my time here.

What is remarkable is that 18 years later, everything he says in this speech is just as relevant today.

https://www.donbrash.com/national-party/orewa-2004-nationhood/
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September 18, 2022 12:42pm
- Swifty
  
  He came within a whisker of winning the 2005 election.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_New_Zealand_general_election
  
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  September 18, 2022 12:51pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  If I remember correctly, this is the speech that got him branded as a racist, and likely played a large part in his deplatforming from Massey.
  It’s pretty incredible that a speech about treating people on a needs basis rather than on the colour of their skin got him branded as a racist.
  What else was in there? Equal voting rights, settling grievances against Maori. All very dangerous stuff, apparently.
  I find it unbelievable that it’s even possible for our current govt. to be able to destroy our democracy, let alone want to. I dread to think how attempts to unwind what our govt. are doing will be portrayed to us by MSM.
  
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  September 18, 2022 1:44pm
Warren

It looks like the Government have had the results of the Mills- Talbet poll for a weekend no one has been commenting on it, but it virtually is showing the same results as the latest Curia poll published last Monday.
I am wondering why it is just being published now over a week ago since released on 7th of September or have I just missed it.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/latest-political-poll-points-to-tight-race-for-national-and-labour-with-right-and-left-blocs-even/4DB2VOP7W4XVSRWGRZ2N7KZP4U/
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September 18, 2022 1:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yet another worker seriously injured whilst trying to prevent theft from their store.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/474985/staff-member-injured-in-hit-and-run-after-items-taken-from-whangarei-store
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September 18, 2022 2:43pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

I see there’s a lot of people asking why our FOREIGN MINISTER was not included in the official-entourage to the Queen’s Funeral?

https://twitter.com/Coltheman1/status/1571257921702592514
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September 18, 2022 3:21pm
- kiwimike
  
  maybe not to upstage our new dear Leader.
  
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  September 18, 2022 3:36pm
Ghost

So the plan is to punish china for not attacking Taiwan, shit they may of well just attack then.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-us-considers-china-sanctions-deter-taiwan-action-taiwan-presses-eu-2022-09-13/

The United States is considering options for a sanctions package against China to deter it from invading Taiwan, with the European Union coming under diplomatic pressure from Taipei to do the same, according to sources familiar with the discussions.
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September 18, 2022 3:54pm
Ghost

National have selected their new Rangitata candidate. I guess as a positive is they picked someone who lives in the district this time

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/300691125/james-meager-nationals-new-rangitata-candidate
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September 18, 2022 4:35pm
Mike H S

TV1 have just reported Willie Apiata as “the first and only recipient of the Victoria Cross.

Their ignorance knows no bounds.
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September 18, 2022 6:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  TV1 have just printed a “clarification”
  
  Clarification: A previous version of this story stated Willie Apiata was our first and only Victoria Cross recipient.
  
  He received the first of what’s known as the ‘Victoria Cross of New Zealand’ and is the only recipient of that particular award.
  
  This replaced the British Victoria cross in 1999, which was awarded to other brave kiwis including captain Charles Upham.
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/09/18/exclusive-willie-apiata-shares-beautiful-memories-of-the-queen/
  
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  September 18, 2022 7:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I note that the correct title for the award is NOT the Victoria Cross of New Zealand.
    
    It is the Victoria Cross for New Zealand.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Cross_for_New_Zealand
    
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    September 18, 2022 7:42pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    So, a clarification, not a correction.
    Why would 1News think the two medals are different enough that they would make a point of saying he was the first and only recipient, when probably most of the country would have thought all VCs are the same?
    Do we try not to mention the older medal with closer ties to the colonial oppressors?
    
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    September 18, 2022 8:04pm
Ghost

I’ve never seen so many different sectors so unhappy with their work conditions under a government. Doctors, Nurses, Police, Fire, now Military.

Personnel are leaving our Defence Force in record numbers.

With many being lured away by better pay and conditions, the attrition rate is the highest it’s been in decades.

The Chief of the Defence Force told Newshub it could take up to a decade to replace highly-skilled staff and he needs Government help now.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/personnel-leaving-defence-force-in-record-numbers-over-pay-conditions-and-miq-tours.html
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September 18, 2022 7:30pm
Ghost

A strong earthquake shook much of Taiwan on Sunday, toppling at least one building and trapping two people inside and knocking part of a passenger train off its tracks at a station.

The magnitude 6.8 quake was the largest among dozens that have rattled the island’s southeastern coast since Saturday evening, when a 6.4 quake struck the same area.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300691168/taiwan-struck-by-second-strong-earthquake-in-as-many-days
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