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Warren

Covid-19: Government facing backlash over the decision to drop Covid – 19
framework.
Well the first thing I have to say don’t blame anyone but the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson because the made this overdue decision solely on what the polls are saying on this and our economy.
New Zealand’s had a guts full of the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her Labour Government for there blatant disregard for peoples rights and how they have used it to devide New Zealanders.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/covid-19-government-faces-backlash-over-decision-to-drop-covid-19-protection-framework.html
People in New Zealand need to remember how Jacinda used this to create her own popularity and step on those that disagree, the media have lied for and her blatant misuse of the podium of truth ,everything that the Prime Minister has done was to keep her in power and she will do it again if she gets half a chance.
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September 14, 2022 8:04am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
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  Covid is soooo yesterday. Get over it!
  
  Your Voice For Freedom may as well be Voices for Fuck-all now.
  
  Might I suggest you piss against the wind not into it ?
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:44am
  - Lee C
    
    This sounds like the whinings of a soft-cock.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:28am
  - herb1
    
    “Against the wind not into it”
    That’s the same thing.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:32am
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
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      Heh
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:38am
    - wilderbeast
      
      🤣 well spotted! What a drongo this newby is
      
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      September 14, 2022 6:43pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    BwaV – this isn’t over, not by a long stretch. There are a number of people responsible who will never be forgiven or forgotten. Ardern top of the list. Here’s hoping for some justice eventually.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:07am
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      There is no justice, only mercy and vengeance…
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:33am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        BWAV: “There is no justice, only mercy and vengeance…”
        
        A quote from a comic book character?
        
        You own a Ninja suit?
        
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        September 14, 2022 2:28pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Exile: no, lives in his mum’s basement reading comics
        
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        September 14, 2022 4:16pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You live in a childish, binary world. It’s much more nuanced than that.
        
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        September 15, 2022 7:08am
- Frank the tank
  
  For amusement value go to the Standard and read Greg Presland’s moan about dropping the Kungflu restrictions.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hear hear, what that man said.
  Socialism must be stamped out, or like cancer, it will spread and kill.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:55am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren – People (sheeple) remember NOTHING. Otherwise how do you explain 35% support for this bunch of clowns?
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:14am
- rouppe
  
  From the newshub story:
  
  Masks may no longer be mandatory on public transport but passengers are still opting to cover up.
  
  “Makes me feel a lot safer, especially on public transport. I’m keeping mine on for a wee bit,” one person told Newshub.
  
  Ditching masks on public transport and in supermarkets has left some feeling nervous.
  
  “I was a little hesitant I would have to say. It would be a really good idea to keep on with them, particularly for people like me who are immunocompromised,” one person said.
  
  Then do so. For goodness sake, this is a lifting of mandates, not a mandate to not wear masks.
  
  Some people…
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:15am
  - alloytoo
    
    I feel safer not getting onto public transport.
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:30am
- cjn
  
  Eugyppius has an excellent piece on masks this morning. Masks are not a small thing. Very few were mask wearing in the supermarket yesterday. Backlash? not so much.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:50am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Words fail me here…there are no words left. However, some nasty consequences served up cold for the above reprobates next year, nothing less
  
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  September 14, 2022 2:12pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Understand the media.
  They love controversy.
  So no problem to go out and find someone who disagrees with any government/corporate/public decision.
  
  Yawn.
  
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  September 14, 2022 3:02pm
- Rusty
  
  Many Nazis escaping to South America after the regime fell in Germany 1945 knowing they would be brought to justice
  
  Now if we have an independent covid inquiry with trials following…
  
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  September 14, 2022 4:02pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Flash club very smart fellow Had his nappie on this morning …ffs
    
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    September 14, 2022 6:00pm
Ghost

Bloody stupid, what is going on in this country

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300687340/auckland-school-hires-rapist-closely-related-to-principal

A teenager who raped a young woman and sexually violated another is working in a classroom of an Auckland school, despite the school knowing of his past.

The man has been hired as a teacher aide at a school where a close family member is the principal.
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September 14, 2022 8:05am
- Nickc2
  
  Was Mahuta Corp involved in his recruitment?
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If not they are doing the same
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:56am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Well, I see the words “conflict of interest” came up in the story. Is there an Ormsby connection?
    
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    September 14, 2022 2:59pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  This is a very bad call on behalf of the principal in question. May not be illegal to have this person as a teacher aid but given his convictions it’s morally and ethically wrong.
  Also, what is disturbing for me is that the name of the school is withheld. I would be very unimpressed if this was at my child’s school.
  This principal needs to check back in with themselves on this decision.
  Surely there is a law in NZ that prohibits a person with a sexual conviction can’t work in places like this?
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:17am
  - kiwimike
    
    why do we have to have another Law to tell us whhat to do?
    
    clearly the Principal is not fit for purpose.
    it doesn’t take a Law to show that.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Nepotism RulZ
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:18am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy – the Cabinet sets the standard and the Public Servants follow.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:16am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The public institutions (and corporations) are infected with woketardism. Therefore it’s highly likely the Cabinet and all therein follow, on pain of the unhinged cancel mob descending on them.
      
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      September 14, 2022 2:30pm
- kowtow
  
  What’s the point of being required to have a police check then ?
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:37am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
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  Once a rapist, always a rapist eh?
  
  What might be suitable employment, I wonder…
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:48am
  - Nickc2
    
    Prison Warden?
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:07am
    - Opie
      
      Labour youth camp minder?
      
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      September 14, 2022 2:22pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    geez you come out with really random comments. So long as it doesn’t affect you and your family you’re all for it aye?? Have another think.
    Suitable employment: any place without underage females and alcohol as that seems to be his trigger. Good enough answer for you?
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:19am
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      If I knew of a convicted rapist at my kids school I’d take him aside and explain how vengeance from the blackside works.
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:42am
      - Harry Knuts
        
        and that’s the point – with this you would never know. Your threats would be pointless as the school won’t openly tell you and as this MSM article points they won’t either. the only way you will find out is when this kiddy-fiddler gets a complaint against him. Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff management. Schools are great at sweeping stuff like this under the carpet as it messes with their reputation.
        
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        September 14, 2022 9:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Have to uptick you for that
        
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        September 14, 2022 9:59am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        BWAV, you believe in vigilante violence? And you think this is a general characteristic of people with dark skin??? Please explain.
        
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        September 14, 2022 2:35pm
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      Suitable employment: any place without underage females and alcohol as that seems to be his trigger. Good enough answer for you…
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      Catholic Boys school then ?
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:01am
      - Don Beckett
        
        No school – anywhere.
        
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        September 14, 2022 11:25am
  - Ghost
    
    Let’s see a suitable job for a young man that raped young teen girls aged between 14 and 17 wouldn’t be in a school. One would have to wonder why you think it would be.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:25am
  - Joely Doe
    
    Labour Party Youth Camp Counsellor?
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who wood know?
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:00am
  - backster
    
    The Prime Minister”s Office perhaps.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No underage girls there. Alcohol? Shitloads!
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Remember the days of underage boys under Helen and her mates…
        
        https://natlib.govt.nz/records/21197521?search%5Bi%5D%5Bsubject%5D=Politicians&search%5Bil%5D%5Bcreator%5D=Wishart%2C+Ian%2C+INNZNA&search%5Bpath%5D=items
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:13am
  - rouppe
    
    Clear sewage lines?
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:18am
- ScottAndrews
  
  This is a very interesting article, as I suspect there is more going on here, than the article provides.
  
  My understanding is that conviction for rape would automatically disqualify someone from holding this role or a similar role.
  
  I searched the article to find details of the conviction and I can find no mention of this. In fact, it carefully never says that he was convicted, only labelling him as a rapist.
  
  It could be a case that he was accused of rape, perhaps even charged with rape, but the courts either found him not guilty or dismissed the charges.
  
  I guess the point is I wouldn’t trust “stuff” not to call someone a rapist even if they weren’t convicted.
  
  He may have every right to get on with his life, until we actually have details about the conviction or non-conviction we don’t really know.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:07am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Still, whatever the legal niceties, choosing to work in a school is probably not the smartest move.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:51am
  - R
    
    I suspect there is more going on here, than the article provides.
    
    The article is definitely light on information. But you would think labelling someone as a rapist would require some proof. (But that didn’t seem to apply to the former Speaker of the House.)
    
    Journalists often use the expression “convicted rapist” but that isn’t the case here. Of course, that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been convicted of rape. But maybe he was convicted of a lesser offence (sexual related) but Stuff has decided to embellish his conviction to include rape. This is not a well-written article as much information is missing.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:05am
    - R
      
      “He was between the ages of 14 and 17 when he raped and sexually violated them.”
      
      That is vague – was he 14 or not? Stuff has spoken to the victims, yet doesn’t seem to know how old he was at the time he committed rape. Was he convicted or merely warned?
      
      Offender warned (39 cases or 2 percent of all cases). In almost half of these cases the warning reflected the victim’s wishes, either that she wanted the offender warned or trespassed rather than prosecuted (nine cases) or that she did not wish to proceed with the case (eight cases). A further 12 cases were not proceeded with due to insufficient or conflicting evidence or consent issues, and the other cases had no clear reason specified.
      
      https://women.govt.nz/sites/public_files/responding to sexual violence attrition-pdf.pdf
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:24am
      - Ghost
        
        He was aged between 14 and 17 when he carried out the rapes, one girl he raped a second time 18 months later
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:31am
      - R
        
        So where’s the reference to the court case(s), the charges he faced and the sentence he received? Presumably a probation officer would have had to approve his work as a teacher aid, but there’s no mention of any probation officer. This article has quite a few holes.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:40am
      - Ghost
        
        This case the rapes occurred in the same age bracket, I’d hope it’s not this boy as he is meant to be on home detention, but alas this is the same boy who corrections allowed to attend university
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/a-lucky-break-auckland-rapist-avoids-jail-for-appalling-attacks-on-girls/W3XXDZSE3ER2HXLWRPVZ6TBYDU/
        
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        September 14, 2022 11:44am
  - rouppe
    
    It will be to do with his age.
    
    You can’t publicly call someone a rapist unless there is a conviction. Otherwise that’s slander.
    
    So he was probably aged 13-15 (16?) so that the conviction is in youth records and may escape scrutiny…
    
    But that’s a guess
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:23am
  - Ra Henare
    
    ScottAndrews.
    
    Commenters her are not well known for logical and critical thinking.
    
    Rather just rush out with an opinion based on emotion rather than facts. Occasionally entertaining. Mostly boring.
    
    Great to see the sunshine today
    
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    September 14, 2022 3:07pm
- surfing
  
  “The chairperson of the school’s Board of Trustees declined to be interviewed, but issued a statement saying a review had been undertaken to ensure all “lawful processes” were followed.”
  
  Goody, then it is just fine to hire a rapist to teach your children.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:48am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Some points that may or may not be relevant:
  
  1. The principal is a woman, which surprised me. If everything in the article is true, it’s astonishing she would put her female pupils in such a dangerous situation.
  
  2. Nowhere in the article does it state the teacher’s aide has been charged or convicted of anything. This begs the question – are they allegations, or was he actually charged and convicted with any crimes?
  
  3. The article mentions one girl being raped and then, 18 months later, being raped again. Something doesn’t seem right about that.
  
  4. This is in $1uffed, so the correct default position is to question everything very carefully. It’s quite possible it’s just another of their hit-jobs.
  
  If the teacher’s aide has been convicted of rape and sexual assault, he shouldn’t be in such a position. From the article it’s impossible to say, which makes me question it – surely they would say a “convicted rapist” or “convicted sexual offender” or even “facing serious sexual assault charges” if the case is still pending.
  
  I strongly suspect there’s a bit more to it than what $1uffed is sharing.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:03am
  - Ghost
    
    Why do you find it wrong that a girl can be raped twice?
    
    Here is another case in NZ that the girl was raped twice by the same rapist. https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/114926932/teenager-got-off-very-lightly-after-admitting-sex-attacks-on-two-girls
    
    If he was not charged and convicted stuff would be labelling it as alleged.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:21am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      If she had been raped, which I have no way of knowing so please don’t think I’m either calling her a liar or condoning sexual assault, why would she put herself into a situation where the same thing could (and allegedly did) happen again 18 months later? If he had been charged and convicted $1uffed would be saying so.
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        why would she put herself into a situation where the same thing could (and allegedly did) happen again 18 months later?
        
        A few possibilities:
        
        1. Because the chap is a family member
        
        2. Because the young girl is intellectually impaired/mentally fragile
        
        3. Because the chap is a stalker…and places himself where the girl is…
        
        etc
        
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        September 14, 2022 12:34pm
      - Ghost
        
        The second article bove, different case, the girl was at her friend’s party, alcohol was involved and he raped her. This case I hope I’m wrong but looks like it could be the teen rapist that corrections allowed to go to university. The age bracket of offenses seems to match
        
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        September 14, 2022 12:52pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Maggy: the article rules out 2 of the options you suggest:
        
        1. “The teaching aide met both young women while all three were students at the same Auckland high school.”
        
        2. Both girls appear articulate and intelligent, if their quoted statements are anything to go by:
        “One of the survivors, Olivia*, says regulations need to be tightened to ensure the aide cannot continue working in a classroom.
        
        “They were given advice from the police and they chose to ignore that. Clearly, something is really wrong and dangerous. The whole role is to support these children as they grow up, and [the school has] put them in danger.”
        
        Another survivor, Sabine*, says the school needs to be held to account for its decision to employ her attacker.
        
        “You have a manipulative rapist, around at least 30 vulnerable kids at a time… He’s in a position of power and you are responsible for him, you are letting that happen,” she said.”
        
        In any case, the hit-job has fulfilled its intended mission, the teacher’s aide has resigned immediately. No doubt there will be question os the Principal and BoT, as there should be in cases such as this. No winners.
        
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        September 14, 2022 4:21pm
- Ghost
  
  Teen rapist’s lawyer confirms he has quit the job
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300687340/teacher-aide-quits-job-at-auckland-school-after-stuff-reveals-hes-a-rapist
  
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  September 14, 2022 2:34pm
Yvette

Nurse recruitment, and Maori language

Has the on-going recruitment drive for Andrew Little on SHORTLAND STREET now become as entrenched and normalised as the delivery of Māori phrases in 1-News’ 6pm presentation. and to what effect really, in reality, of either?
At my age both slightly arouse my emotional hackles.
A weak daily reminder: this Government is all words and no actually delivery
What it does for younger people, I have no clue.

SHORTLAND STREET’s plot lines would seem to be rather counter-productive in inspiring would-be nurses – currently featuring medical incompetence (Jack’s diagnositic oversight), to TK’s sexual indiscretions effecting his administration, and his daughter Tilly’s under-age sex, leaving Madonna the only one clean enough to front for Andrew Little’s campaign pitch (“Yeah? Nah?” – interesting the first time, but increasingly boring and irritating ever since) and the male twerp who just stands there smiling, but doing nothing and says nothing to sell a career in medicine, which is likely to have the same effect – nothing.

Which leaves 1-News to represent the sharp end of the $200–600 million spent each year (nobody seems to know how much really) on preserving the taonga that is re reo Māori.
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September 14, 2022 8:05am
- Paulus
  
  My Gddaughter has said she has turned off SS until they return to no English subtitles to what is now a Maori programe.
  She says her friends agree.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:07am
- graham
  
  And 1-News is becoming increasingly irrelevant and unimportant in an online era.
  
  My wife used to watch the news and the weather without fail, every night. But her preferred news sources now are all online. She still watches the news at 6 pm but is skipping over large chunks because she’s already read about the story online (or because the article is infantile and a waste of time).
  
  And when the weekend weather presenter a few months ago started using large swathes of Maori – which we simply could not understand – she gave up on that segment altogether and found a weather website that serves her needs.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:07am
  - pdm
    
    graham – the pommy weather has been no better the last two nights.
    
    Talk about bastardising a language – he was an embarrassment. At least the Sunday girl was fluent if over the top.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:20am
    - graham
      
      Must be Maori week, I seem to remember him having a go last year.
      
      The Sunday girl may well be fluent, and good on her – but what’s the point if the viewers can’t actually understand what she’s saying? This has always been my argument – I have absolutely no objection to people talking Maori unless it’s inappropriate, and if you’re supposed to be presenting news or weather to a predominantly English-speaking audience, then it’s inappropriate. Because they can’t understand you. Which is why my wife gave up and switched to a weather website.
      
      I can only assume that the bosses at 1-News are all too aware that traditional broadcast television news is an increasingly archaic institution in an online world, and therefore – in a desperate attempt to hold on to their jobs – are seeking to please their political bosses by increasing the use of Maori language, and never mind the viewer.
      
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      September 14, 2022 3:50pm
    - pdm
      
      bugger- – weather man
      
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      September 14, 2022 8:26pm
  - rouppe
    
    Get her to check out Al Jazeera. Might have to pick and choose the time slot but:
    1. All in English
    2. Content much wider than what we get on NZ media
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:27am
  - leoj
    
    What is 1 News?
    
    What is TV?
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Will no longer view TV1 News.
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:41pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I was talking to a “normie” (aka “sheeple”/Joe Public/centre) family member the other day in NZ. That person has stopped watching/listening to NZ mainstream news of any sort.
    
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    September 14, 2022 2:39pm
- David George
  
  I thought it was a stupid idea (one of many) from the start. Given the core demographic of Shortland Street viewers is 12 year old schoolgirls it’d be five or six years before they’re ready to start training to be doctors and nurses.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:14am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Sexual Indiscretion? Under Age Sex? Men standing there saying nothing? Emphasis on Te Reo?
  
  You can see why Labour think this aligns with their values!
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:35am
-D

Jacinda seeks ‘advice’ before initiating a COVID review…instead of getting on the horn to local Des Gorman who is already highly experienced in this field. Meanwhile Dr. John Campbell, another internationally respected medical educator, touches on New Zealand in his most recent podcast.
8:45 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szUC8GpGJ4A&t=610s&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell
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September 14, 2022 8:05am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Des Gorman was the biggest critic of the govt’s covid response so expect she will hardly engage him.
  Cindy’s position to seek advice looks on the surface to be doing something but with no intention to do anything. This is all part of controlling the narrative and outcomes. Criticism is not in Cindy’s vocabulary.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:22am
  - -D
    
    I’m sure you are correct. Sadly.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Seeking advice just means someone to blame if it all turns to shit. Comms deg you know.
    Cunning as a shithouse rat
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:12am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The “appearance” of consultation. More BS.
    
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    September 14, 2022 2:51pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  He makes the good point that the virus is endemic. It will be around for decades to come.
  
  I commented yesterday that my partner’s parents in their 80s are now sick with covid after having had FOUR shots of the vaccine, the latest shot being only 6 weeks ago.
  
  John Campbell was enthusiastic about the vaccines 2 years ago but he changed his views as the evidence showed that they were pretty much useless with accompanying risks. At yet here we are in New Zealand still listening to ads on the radio imploring people to get vaccinated, even children.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:47am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
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    Listening to ads on the radio…how quaint !
    
    Is radio still a thing ?
    
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    September 14, 2022 8:56am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Yawn….Blackie are you a relative of Milky? You are both pretty boring trolls….
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:22am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Seriously, if you’re getting offended by ads on the radio I’d suggest turning it off.
        
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        September 14, 2022 9:45am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Brown with a Grievance is our little pet. Harmless, a bit simple, often unintentionally amusing and never to be taken seriously.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:08am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Do you know any old people, Black?
      People who might be in a rest home, hospital or on their own – especially at night?
      I do.
      One of the ways people keep up to date, and less lonely and isolated, is to listen to the radio.
      After the initial purchase, the radio doesn’t cost anything for old people on fixed incomes who may not be able to afford the latest iPhone.
      So yes, for many of the nice ordinary people I know, radio is “still a thing”.
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:36am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, Also dial in at sea to Radio frequencies world wide.
        
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        September 14, 2022 1:04pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Is radio still a thing ?
      
      Hell, yes…
      
      If you experience episodes of waking during the night… (need to pee, duvet too hot, hubby SNORING, etc).. then turn on National Radio… you’ll be back to sleep in a jiffy.
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:00am
    - alloytoo
      
      It’s safer than Video on demand when driving.
      
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      September 14, 2022 12:19pm
  - redeye
    
    The latest COVID ad I saw on TVNZ last night, announcing the peasants being released from the traffic light mess, should have come with an ‘Authorised by Rob Salmond for the New Zealand Labour Party’ statement. There was no disguising. It was blatantly political.
    
    On another note I have been wondering why they haven’t rebranded as The Aotearoa Labour Party? They obviously haven’t found a way to discreetly use taxpayers money for the rebranding. Yet.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:12am
  - coge
    
    Those vaccines appear useless. Unless you happen to be a fervent covid segregationist!
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:22am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I keep an open mind. The vaccines appear to be pretty useless against Omicron. They do appear to lessen the chance of death from any Covid infection. How safe are they? Jury still out but currently it appears safe for the vast majority.
      
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      September 14, 2022 3:02pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Des Gorman was the Voice of reason in a sea of insanity.
  He really was swimming against the tide.
  Having known my issues he was always contactable by email or phone.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:58am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Two random thoughts:

In all the coverage I’ve seen, there’s been no mention of what the Queen actually died of. Just imagine what speculation might have been had she died a few months ago.

And, you’d have to think that the two weeks of mourning is collectively a super spreader event like no other. Will we see a leap in infections? Or will, by its absence, this be a fullstop on the pandemic panic and the last service rendered to her people by QE II?
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September 14, 2022 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I heard last week that she was being treated for a bone disease, which would explain all the concerns in recent months about her mobility.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:15am
  - Paulus
    
    She was 96 years old, a wonderful age
    Getting old and infirmed happens to us all in time.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:09am
    - Don Beckett
      
      And for some reason, we the die of Death. Stop breathing. Can’t move. Y’know, karked it.
      
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      September 14, 2022 11:36am
  - madamezucchininz
    
    …..I would say she probably had advanced Osteoporosis which of course is a bone disease and it affects the elderly…and you could clearly see that she has become more and more bent over the last few years….a little known fact is Osteoporosis is terminal as is old age..
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:33am
- Flossie
  
  Didn’t hear that infection rates increased post the jubilee celebrations in June. No masks in evidence then either.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There was a small wave in July
    
    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:09am
    - RalphT
      
      Her majesty was known for giving small waves…..oh I see what you mean.
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:12am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Keep up NMTB, +Jacinda has decided the pandemic is over, so we know for sure it’s over. Single source of the truth and all that.
  
  Seriously though, nobody in the UK gives a toss about “super-spreader” events any more, not for months now. The football stadia are filled every week, tubes and trains jam-packed as usual, it’s just not a thing any more.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:11am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  She died of old age. Nobody lives forever, even royalty.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:47am
- Mike H S
  
  There has been coverage of what the Queen died of, just not in NZ newspapers. I subscribe to the Telegraph (an excellent paper) and her illness was discussed there.
  
  The lesson is, “Don’t get all your news from one source, especially just NZ ones.”
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:42am
Souvlaki

A question for the legal beagles on the site please :
NZ is a signatory to the UN declaration on human rights, where it is deemed ‘illegal’ to discriminate on the grounds of race. Is Te Whatu Ora now in breach of UN conventions by allowing anti-covid medications to be dispensed to 50 year old Maori, but Europeans must wait until the age of 65 ? If I ‘feel’ like a Maori when I next contract Covid, will this cut the mustard and can I then potentially access lifesaving drugs previously withheld on the basis of race ?

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/advice-people-covid-19/covid-19-medicines
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September 14, 2022 8:11am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Try getting some diabetic medicine without being a NZ Maori identifying human.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    More info please.
    
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    September 14, 2022 8:46am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Nonsense.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Lucky Europeans, but you’re right, it is a racist policy.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:33am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Maori aren’t a race any more than Scottish people are.
    
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    September 14, 2022 8:51am
    - David Garrett
      
      Blackie: Try telling a Scot – particularly one whose had a few bevvies – that he is not a member of a race entirely distinct from the English.
      
      It’s a bit like you and the Tongans blackie; you are both brown, but come form utterly discrete and different races.
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:28am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Let’s not conflagrate race with culture…:)
        
        And no, Tongans, Samoans and Maori are NOT utterly discrete and different races any more than your people from Khazad Dum are racially distinct than those from Erebor.
        
        So tell me are white South Africans a race or do they just tick the European box ?
        
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        September 14, 2022 9:52am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Let’s not conflagrate anything without the means of putting out the fire.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:14am
      - David George
        
        The Tongans and Samoans are/have been classified as Western Polynesians. Cook Islands & NZ Maori, Tahitians etc. as Eastern Polynesians. There’s obvious subgroups within European as well – Nordic, Germanic, Celtic, Mediterranean etc.
        Things are pretty mixed up now, the Government have given up on trying to categorise so use “identify with” as their criterion. Whatever the hell that means.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:24am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        I choose Pasifikan in the same way y’all would choose European whether you’re a whitey from Sth Africa, the Caucasus or a 5th generation dickhead from Otatutahi.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:46am
      - alloytoo
        
        “So tell me are white South Africans a race or do they just tick the European box ?”
        
        Depends what the box is for.
        
        If it’s for health purposes, one tries to be accurate.
        
        Otherwise I tick the “African” box, after all I have walked in her mountains, slept in her caves, swum in her rivers and oceans.
        
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        September 14, 2022 12:29pm
    - Taieri
      
      Maori aren’t a race any more than Scottish people are
      ————
      
      What’s your definition of “race”?
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:38am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        A competition between 2 competing things to determine a winner.
        
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        September 14, 2022 9:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Look up, there is a smartarse deflecting the topic
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I stand corrected, it’s bigoted, but it’s the same thing.
      
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      September 15, 2022 7:14am
- Justitia
  
  Souvlaki: a good question. The thinking behind this discrimination against non-Maori (“the other populations” as the Ardern government calls them) is set out in the legal opinion offered by the Ministry of Justice on the compliance of the Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Bill 2021 with the Bill of Rights Act 1990 which implements the UN Declaration in New Zealand law, as follows:
  
  “The Bill could therefore be seen to draw distinctions on the basis of race or ethnic origins.
  However, to the extent the distinctions reflect the status of Māori as the Crown’s Treaty
  partner, and the Crown’s duties under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, we do not consider any other
  group is in a comparable position. The result of this assessment is that s 19 of the Bill of
  Rights Act is not engaged.
  
  26. Nevertheless, for completeness we have considered whether a disadvantage arises to
  any class of people. We do not consider that this is the case, for the following reasons.
  
  27. The relevant provisions are not designed to provide a specific advantage to Māori, but
  rather to achieve equity among New Zealand’s population groups. Addressing inequity
  does not result in disadvantage to those not already disadvantaged. As the Bill identifies,
  disparities in health services, access, and outcomes exist currently, in particular for
  Māori. This factor also supports our assessment that the Bill’s distinctions are not drawn
  between comparator groups.”
  
  In sum, this government considers its interpretation of the Treaty of Waitangi outweighs the basic human rights protections enshrined in New Zealand law which also reflect New Zealand’s international obligations. Secondly this government considers manifestly unequal treatment of non-Maori promotes “equity”. This the key to understanding where the Ardern government is taking New Zealand under “co-governance”.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘Addressing inequity does not result in disadvantage to those not already disadvantaged’
    
    What a load of tosh.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:56am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Thanks for this opinion !
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    To further summarise, all animals are equal but the brown ones are more equal than the others.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:16am
  - Ehlana
    
    Except of course, it is not races (of any kind) that get sick. People do.
    
    If a Maori and a non-Maori have the same health condition, being equally human, they both need the same treatment.
    
    That is what our health system should deliver. Anything less is unacceptable, whichever person is denied treatment.
    
    It’s time someone reminded these politicians and the tribal elite that all the funding for Maori this, that and the other, comes from the work done by ordinary New Zealanders (Maori and non-Maori). We work, earn income and pay the taxes that fund all of this.
    
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    September 14, 2022 12:21pm
- My
  
  Yep, ridiculous. Maori husband, European wife (or partner, or husband or companion or). One can get the jab and one not. Makes no sense.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:56am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That only happens on TV adverts.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:16am
- Sacha
  
  If I were a Maori person, I’d be looking very closely at the drugs they were offering, given what we now know about the distribution of the ant9-covid drugs.
  Remdesivir anyone?
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:14am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Like accepting blankets back in the day ya reckon ?
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:04am
krazykiwi

Utterly ridiculous airport ‘security’ experience at Wlg this morning. Huge queue. We were barked at three times about laptops out, belts off, jackets including suit jackets off, shoes above the ankle off. I complied, and barely clothed with nothing on my feet or in my pockets went through the x-ray which pinged me. Off to the full body scanner which also pinged me showing something on my left side. Patted down and, obviously, nothing found. What an authoritarian charade.
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September 14, 2022 8:13am
- Blog-aholic
  
  You nasty terrorist you//
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:15am
- Tarquin North
  
  That problem is easily fixed, get your face covered in mongrel mob tattoos and you should fly through. It seems to work brilliantly at Christchurch airport.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:23am
- cmm
  
  Well they can’t yell at you about face masks any more but they still have 2+ years of training to yell at you, so they need to find something else.
  
  Please be kind and understanding. It will take a while for the Stasi to adjust. It will be hard on them.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:24am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  I noticed this on a domestic flight out of ChCh a couple of weeks ago. Totally over the top actions by officious jobsworths. First there were duplicate security screenings held at both the entrance to departure gates & then at the gates themselves. Then despite having excess staff at both checks they also only opened one lane creating unnecessary backlogs; they opened up the second lane just before the boarding call was made.
  
  The previous week I travelled internationally to Australia & there was only one check, no removal of belt’s & shoes & only random body scanning.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Full scan at the airport .’
  
  Nice .
  
  meanwhile next to impossible at hospital where it’s really urgent.
  
  And we waste hundreds of mils on climate scam.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Making an essential scan impossible while forcing a non-essential one while making one feel guilty for living is all part of preparing we, the little people, for our place in the world post Great Reset.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:42am
  - oldfella
    
    kowtow: we’re about to waste a hundred million dollars on Maori health solutions. Yep, yep….
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:10am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  My favourite was at Seattle airport where I was pulled aside so they could examine my artificial leg. The look of confusion as I was wearing shorts and it was blatently obvious I didn’t have one was priceless.
  The scanners are Kabuki theatre and we have George W Bush to thank for it.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:41am
- septic skeptic
  
  Sounds like a trend. I had as slow a passage through security at Invercargill a few weeks ago as I have had at any overseas airport.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What exactly is the point?
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:58am
- MCōs
  
  I read somewhere that in the States people regularly get caught by those X-ray machines with handguns and some don’t get caught.
  People regularly get angry on planes about stuff and lash out. If they produce a firearm & shoot a few people that would be Greg Forman’s worst nightmare.
  Worse than that woman who tried to hijack an Eagle Air flight in 2008. (Curiously regional flights passengers are still not screened)
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:02am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Yet we can travel on buses, trains & ferrys without unnecessary security.
    
    re the 2008 incident (over a decade ago now): one of the very few in NZ & as you say, little/no security on regional airlines
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:58am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, Me too a while back. Flew into Wellington to have my Multi tool confiscated. I need for work and a handy tool to have.
  
  Here have a look at this KK.
  https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/117596/carbon-offsets-are-mix-some-official-and-others-unofficial-and-certified
  
  Air NZ and Carbon Offset shenanigans.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fun isn’t it? I have no problems in NZ but in Hawaii I go through the whole process. I told them what was causing it but they put me through all of the hoops.
  I have a titanium plate screwed into my net spine, smaller than two thumbnails.
  Every time it happens, but only in Hawaii.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    *neck spine. ffs
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:30am
  - Mike H S
    
    My son has a substantial amount of titanium in his left leg (motorcycle accident) and gets pissed off when it doesn’t set off the alarms. 🙂
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:54am
- rouppe
  
  Went to Queenstown in January, went through the airport wearing a t-shirt, shorts and jandals. My belt had a small metal buckle. Didn’t take it off.
  
  Pinged through the metal detector, pinged in the scanner, needed a pat-down.
  
  Asked the guy: “What exactly do you think I’m concealing under my shorts and t-shirt?”
  
  Didn’t go down well…
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He just wanted to know if you were happy to see him
    
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    September 14, 2022 4:30pm
- freemark
  
  All those far right extremists VFF who are well known for hijacking aircraft, right. Yeah it’s insane. Control, paranoia, etc etc.
  
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  September 14, 2022 6:58pm
- Clownworld
  
  You think that is bad. Wait until everyone starts wanting to travel overseas and then realizes that to return to NZ they have to fill out discriminatory data on a stupid bureaucratic form that takes 40min.
  
  What is the purpose? What happened to a simple tick customs declaration and a passports?
  QR codes and apps so AI ( arrogant and ignorant) can herd the human cattle on a whim.
  NZ is a test case for world authoritarian movement control.
  
  Apparently NZ got freedom back. Think again a storm is coming.
  
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  September 15, 2022 7:57am
Tomtoddy

Audrey Young runs her pencil over Labour’s Maori caucus. She decides Willie Jackson is the power broker. Now, there is a surprise!!

What is more interesting is her individual ratings – talk about damned by faint praise. She couldn’t find anything positive to say about most of them or what they are doing. Sinecures, all of them.
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September 14, 2022 8:14am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol, Willie is just another Maori grifter. Most of the Maori in parliament are only there because they do not have the ability to earn that sort of money anywhere else. And I use the word “earn” in it’s loosest terms, as even better, they don’t have to do anything!
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:24am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Speaking of grifters, in vino, why are so many people going to the queen’s funeral … as Cindy says, from all walks of life. Lots of Māoris considering they only make up 16% population and are so aggrieved about colonisation (not necessarily the attendees) – who is paying for this lot to attend? I understand the PM, GG and Māori king should go …. But New Zealander of the year 2022? A lady bitten by a shark? A couple of opera singers?
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:15am
    - Nickc2
      
      Certainly not a very dignified bunch eh?
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:27am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Can’t see the point in sending a truck driver.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:00am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Have no problem with Dame Kiri Te Kanawa going – she knew the queen.
        
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        September 14, 2022 11:52am
      - Nickc2
        
        Cindy’ll probably give them a Taxpayer funded Gift Voucher for Harrods (or the Brown ones at least) eh?
        The ToW has a lot to answer for!
        
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        September 14, 2022 12:12pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      There’s an Agatha Christie plot forming, right there.
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:58am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Maori king you say? Could there be a more obvious and egregious example of cultural appropriation? Why can’t he just be a rangatira and eat his conquered enemies like normal?
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:21am
    - gravedodger
      
      Struggling to see why a Tainui Leader by being of a particular familial situation should get to attend the last rights for a deceased Monarch and Head of State.
      As a grumpy old white male who identifies as a royalist I am wondering who amongst the published list is representing me. The nearest might be a knighted swamp dweller who rose to be Deputy PM and then found remunerative advantage at an organisation with vague connections to the remnant Empire now rebranded as The Commonwealth.
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:35am
      - Ghost
        
        The Royals when in New Zealand would meet with the Māori Queen, then King so not surprised that he has been invited.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:40am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Here’s the list:
      
      Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is attending the Queen’s funeral and leaves for London on Thursday along with Dame Cindy Kiro. Other New Zealanders attending the funeral include the Māori King, Kiingi Tūheitia, former Governor-General Dame Silvia Cartwright, Victoria Cross recipient, Willie Apiata, former Secretary-General of the Commonwealth, Sir Don McKinnon, Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, Jacinda Amey, Sir Tipene O’Regan, Aivale Cole, Whaea Esther Jessop and Jacqueline Gilbert.
      
      Looks like most of NZ’s Cindys are off on the jaunt.
      
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      September 14, 2022 8:35pm
- pdm
  
  Tom tell Audrey that – I have been saying that Willie Jackson is the Organ Grinder with Nanaia Mahuta his puppet for over a year.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:24am
- Nickc2
  
  Cant disagree with her on this one eh?
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:31am
- RoboRob
  
  Last year that Labour lover was giving out 8/10 to Labour ministers. This year it seems that even she can’t stand the embarrassment of pretending they are any chop.
  
  Apparently ‘Adrian Rurawhe’ is the top performing Maori MP. That will be no surprise as he isn’t a cabinet minister and has only recently taken the helm as parliaments speaker. Her superb rating system gives him the top award of ‘Exceeded expectations’.
  
  ‘Rurawhe has been the most successful of Labour’s Māori MPs when comparing expectations to actual success’.
  
  Wow so any old labour muppet can be a top performing MP simply by not being as usesless as expected.
  
  Peeni Henare – ‘Primarily valued for his oratory skills as the only native speaker in the Labour caucus, and being steeped in Māoritanga.’ Wow the quality, can speak Maori.
  
  Meka Whaitiri – ‘ working away solidly and competently since being reinstated as a minister this term’. Does doing nothing count as competency in Labour?
  
  Rino Tirikatene – She talks about his family history. That’s right, nothing to say about him.
  
  Tamati Coffey- ‘successfully reinvented himself to an issues MP in a similar space vacated by former colleague Louisa Wall’. What more can you say, gave up reading at this point.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:12am
- Paulus
  
  Mathematically on current and anticpated polls when Labour get to the next election results they could be as much if n0t more than 50% Maori Caucus, which is want they want I am sure.
  Watch the fights for the next List seats – many more Maori.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:13am
Paulus

Such Human Rights Declarations do not include Maori, where it suits remember.
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September 14, 2022 8:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like some young thugs in Chch need some of Hipkins’ and Ardern’s wrap-around ~~hugs~~ support.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/129864327/bus-lounge-mall-arent-particularly-safe-school-warns-after-attacks-on-students
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September 14, 2022 8:16am
- Harry Knuts
  
  A wonder up Albany mall especially in the weekends and you will see increased security from mall cops and police as the Eshays create trouble to everyone and sundry. Smashing up bus stops, harassing and general public nuisance. Seems this wrap-around service is just a name, no action.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:27am
  - a3kidlady
    
    What did you expect? An actual wraparound service rather than just words about a wraparound service?
    
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    September 14, 2022 8:38am
- Yabster
  
  but lets all use fucking buses- yeah right…
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  On this topic, I had a night out around Shoreditch High Street in east London. This is essentially a Courtenay Place restaurant and bar party zone. I didn’t once feel unsafe. Herds of people having a fun night out, but unlike Courtenay Place no menacing gangs or violent dunks. Perhaps I struck a lucky night, but I’d go there again anytime. I avoid Courtney Place mostly, and always after 6pm.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:50am
  - thirteenstars
    
    All depends when that was.
    
    My sister has lived in Liverpool for 10 years and never had a problem, either, although the city has dodgy areas she simply didn’t frequent them. But in the last five or so years there’s been a real uptick in violent crime, especially with knife attacks, so she and her friends simply won’t walk the streets unless they are well-lighted and populated. They use taxis to go everywhere.
    
    The UK’s rise in violent crime is a Western phenomena made worse by the waves of illegal immigrants the Brits themselves let in every day. There are parts of British cities where you just don’t go, mainly Muslim, or Pakistani, which is code for Muslim.
    
    That’s just the way it is. The police are so woke all they can manage is dancing in Pride parades and arresting people who opine that only a man can have a penis.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Wonderful Blooms a Jewish Restaurant there when I was a City Pom.
    Hope it is still there as food great.
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:50pm
    - Scooter
      
      Sorry clicked on report by mistake
      
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      September 14, 2022 3:55pm
Scooter

Considering we expect the police to investigate crime and determine if a crime has been committed è.g with a burnt out vehicle to at least thoroughly check inside, why is the Police Commissioner Coster not being asked how 2 police officers overlooked a dead woman in a burnt out car. At least we have a right to know that they are being stood down pending an investigation.
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September 14, 2022 8:16am
RockyJ

Observations from the clown world of social media posts by government appointees.

On LinkedIn Matthew Tukaki, in his role of Director of the Office for Suicide Reduction posted about the imminent disaster to be caused by human driven climate change. He took this down after I challenged him. Then yesterday the Productivity Commission posted about how great it would be if we all learned Te Reo.

This is magical thinking. Pessimism about the future is a prime cause of suicide especially among the young. Anyone who works in business would know that poor communication, eg from language misunderstandings, is a leading cause of mistakes and low productivity.

Where do they get these people from?
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September 14, 2022 8:18am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Ganesh Nana is the current chair of the “Productivity” Commission.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:35am
  - RoboRob
    
    He will be hugely productive. If nothing else I am sure his bank account will be very productive.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:14am
  - Paulus
    
    Nana of BERL was the only Economist who confirmed Labour’s (Grants) pre election figures.
    Time has proven him paid only.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:15am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Say no more
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:00am
- Zero Kindness
  
  “Pessimism about the future is a prime cause of suicide especially among the young.”
  Exactly, Al Gore, the Greens and all the other climate alarmists have spent the last 25 years convincing many young folk that there will be no livable earth for them as adults.
  In doing so they have encouraged lack of academic achievement, loss of motivation to work, increased the youth drug and alcohol uptake flowing into excessive youth crime, drug dependency, mental illness and ultimately suicide.
  If only we could be a little more positive and a little less alarmist and explain to our kids that there is indeed a future and a potentially bright one at that.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:14am
Simon

The only people qualified to run govt or to be in parliament are the unvaccinated.

The unvaccinated, sensible, good judgement, principled, honest, even handed and most informed.
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September 14, 2022 8:20am
- Libertarians are right
  
  That’s ridiculous.
  A large number of unvaccinated people are insane conspiracy theorists. Remember, the majority vote Green and Labour.
  
  There are reasons to get vaccinated and to not get vaccinated. Choosing one way or the other should not disqualify anyone from running for public office or any other job.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:49am
  - ISeeRed
    
    What evidence is there the majority of the unvaxxed vote left? Genuine question.
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:57am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      They polled the protesters at Parliament.
      Even if it’s not the majority it’s still enough people that clearly make bad choices to ensure that the statement that they have good judgement and are well informed is too broad and often straight up wrong.
      
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      September 14, 2022 12:58pm
Tony Stuart

That Kelvin Davis eh?

Out-of-control inmates have caused chaos at Waikato’s Spring Hill prison, prompting a lockdown, and landing at least 20 prisoners in segregation after a series of assaults.

Newstalk ZB today revealed details of five separate incidents over the past fortnight alone, while the prison’s director says a review is underway and maintains “assaults on staff are unacceptable”.

The vicious saga has brought forward a visit to Spring Hill by the Corrections Association, which yesterday visited the Waikato facility to “sit down in person and pull information out.”

Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis has also been advised via text message about the events, the most dramatic of which occurred on Sunday morning.

But he told Newstalk ZB he didn’t follow up the text with a call.

“I trust the professionalism of Corrections to be able to manage these situations,” he said.

“The reality is, it is a prison.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/exclusive-prison-nightmare-at-spring-hill-staff-sent-to-hospital-dentist-after-assaults/S2SMLRRFKS4IJIS7226C7KXXAM/

Kelvin’s right in one respect; prisons are bad places, housing bad people.

But you’d think, even on a weekend, he’d make a quick phone call to the prison’s director to check that everything was ka pai, and under control.

After ball, he was widely criticised for his hands-off approach to the Waikeria “prison disorder event” (a.k.a. riot) of a few years ago. This weekend seems just to be a case of rinse and repeat for the hapless Corrections Minister.
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September 14, 2022 8:21am
- pdm
  
  Klueless Kelvin in top form – AGAIN!!!!!!
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:25am
- Harry Knuts
  
  we have a saying in our house for the not so bright – lucky they have their looks!
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:30am
- Its only I
  
  Kelvin isn’t expected to work, his only role is to have zero ambition and be absolutely no threat to the head of marketing or pull media focus.
  Labour just sit him in front of a large screen to watch the cartoon network and to keep Nash up to date about the problems of wabbit tourists freedom camping on the fudd farm…those pesky tourists…
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:53am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Kelvin’s promising that Te Arawhiti is not over yet – not by a long shot…
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:56am
  - Paulus
    
    What is Te Arawhiti please as it is from a language I do not understand – neither do probably 98% of the population from what we are told.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It probably pays to pay attention to some of these Maori titles….
      otherwise you’ll be blindsided when the tyranny of the minority RulZ.
      
      https://www.justice.govt.nz/maori-land-treaty/crown-maori-relations/
      
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      September 14, 2022 10:21am
- Clyde
  
  Just what does Davis have over the Liemore Party to become 2nd top dog? He has been entirely consistent in showing any ability in anything other than warming the cosy front seat next door to the Tooth Fairy. And show me just one thing he has done in his current portfolio other than open the front doors of the prisons for his “people with complex issues”.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:02am
  - RoboRob
    
    He was all about Maori quota. He had a good face, no ambition and was Maori. They made him DP, no ambition for the top job and ticked the boxes.
    
    Now that cabinet is full of other useless Maori MPs competition for the role must be high.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:16am
    - pdm
      
      RR – he lasted as Deputy PM until just after his first interview and the Robbo took over.
      
      They found Klueless Kelvin was as incapable at answering simple questions as Jacinda so one of them had to go.
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:28am
      - RoboRob
        
        Yeah I know. However I would class Kelvin as even less capable than JA, at least shec can talk around subjects.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not called “special K” for nothing
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:41am
- rouppe
  
  My key takeaway from that is how his tune has changed.
  
  When he was in opposition, he was on the news every time there was a problem in a Serco prison. Now, whenever there’s a problem in a union-run prison, nothing. Crickets.
  
  It’s politicians like that, that fill me with contempt for politicians. And there are so many like him in Labour and the Greens.
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:00am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes, at least Serco appeared to have some kind of accountability.
    
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    September 14, 2022 4:01pm
- oldfella
  
  Tony, Audrey Young in today’s horrid rated the Maori caucus and said this about Kelvin:
  PEDESTRIAN: Liked and respected for personal qualities but pedestrian as a politician. Possibly more suited to Opposition.
  I think that’s about a C+, with a note that he ‘must try harder’.
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:24am
ClanMcleod

I was away for a few days and on mobile only. I had sporadic internet access so found it difficult to respond to comments here.
I had one response to a comment in particular from Colville which I found to be sneering and dismissive in tone.
They challenged my assertion that I have never worn a mask even once over the duration of this covid circus. I am posting to reiterate, I never did, ever. Even when I had to go to shops while at the Wellington protest. Wellington being one of the most militant masking areas in the country. I shopped at the Countdown at the railway station, was challenged at the door each time I went in by security, each time I simply said I am exempt and walked on in. If Colville is so convinced I wore a mask then contact the management there and ask them to review security camera footage. You will then be able to pick out those (there were many) who went in, did their shopping and left. All the time maskless.

I have never worn a mask against my will and never will, no matter what penalty someone wishes to impose on me.
I am not a deliberately intransigent person, but I refuse to play virtue signaling games, particularly when being bullied and coerced. I have always found that bowing to bullies only encourages them, best to stop them in their tracks asap.

On that note, here is a link to the excellent and clearly well qualified academic who writes under the psuedonym Eugyppius. Discussing the recent extension in Germany (where they live) of the emergency powers allowing states to impose severe mask regulations. It may be paywalled, try using “getpocket”. Very much worth the read but I will try and give the gist of it in a summary.

Masks are not a small thing. They’re not sensible and they’re not normal. They’re ugly, they stink, many of them are full of carcinogens, and they’re ruining our kids and our lives. It’s time to stop.

We have been doing this for a very long time now. That is pretty much the only observation I have left in me. We have had two-and-a-half years of recurring all-day masking regimens for schoolchildren. We have had two-and-a-half years of masking in the hallways of our offices, but generally not at our desks. We have had two years of masking on the way to the toilet at the pub, but not at our tables. We have had two years of non-sealing FFP2 respirators instead of surgical masks, although we’ve known since the beginning that SARS-2 is transmitted primarily via aerosols. We have had two-and-a-half years of masks failing every natural experiment that they’ve been put to, two-and-a-half years of masks serving as a pretence to ban protests, two-and-a-half years of social anxiety and unnecessary arguments with confrontational terrified old people, two-and-a-half years of mandated social isolation and anonymity, and it has all been for nothing.

This Science Following upon which we’ve embarked, has been a curious experiment indeed. It amounts to an abdication of our own sense and reason, in favour of some nebulous superordinate authority that is the only true source of knowledge about the world. For millions and millions of people, masks simply work even when they don’t, because The Science says so, and the mandates are necessary to prevent infections, even when they cannot, because The Science says so. Following The Science has turned us into a society of dead-eyed zombie lunatics, robbed of every last intellectual immune defence against absurdity. That might be the main reason that all of the policies ushered in under the banner of The Science are so blatantly ineffective, irrational and contrary to all evidence. Anything that makes sense doesn’t need The Science. People can be convinced of its importance in their own minds.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/masks-are-not-a-small-thing-theyre

I know the mask mandates are (mostly) gone in NZ, but Ardern is retaining the ability to bring it back. My point is, masks are meaningless, virtue signaling of the very worst kind. They indicate nothing more than “something” is being done. They also allow the visible proof of support for Ardern and permit generally beige people to indicate they are “special” and they are “team players who care”.

Other than the rare case of someone who genuinely has serious health issues and who is terrifed thanks to 2.5 years of constant propaganda – (even though the mask will do nothing to protect them from covid) – there is no reason whatsoever to be wearing a mask.

This is pure logic. It is based on science. It is why I will never wear a mask.
It is nothing to do with my being “difficult”. It is nothing to do with my dislike of Ardern and her inane policies. It is not a political decision. It is simply refusal to play a game that has no relevance or impact on the realities of the situation and has no scientific basis.

That’s it.
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September 14, 2022 8:30am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That nag is dead but by all means give it a good kicking til you’re hoarse…
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  For anyone doubting, I met CM in Wellington after he used private boats and cars to get here as an airline we would have needed to use refused to carry him without his wearing a mask.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Thank you KK. That is correct, and we aren’t talking about a big boat. It was a very small boat, a large body of water, a lift to a friend and a borrowed car. It included getting tickets from the friendly Wellington police for “infringements”. All in all the best part was meeting up with the wonderful people at the Freedom Village, then krazykiwi and another commenter on this blog who were very welcoming and hospitable.
    All power to all of you. You know who you are.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:45am
  - Joely Doe
    
    I managed to fly to Auckland return a few times without needing a mask.
    Just flashed my “Exemption” phone screen lock and I was ushered on board with hushed tones and dirty looks from the muzzled ones.
    
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    September 14, 2022 7:21pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Joely Doe – we operate from a very small area that Air NZ doesn’t fly from. The small operator was 100% militant in refusing anyone on board without a mask. It was dropped a couple of weeks ago after 2 or 3 people reported them to the Human Rights Commission who must have schooled them on what the legalities around masks actually are.
      
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      September 15, 2022 7:13am
- rouppe
  
  I’ve noticed in my workplace, that all the people who went on and on about having to wear masks in the stairwells, and in meeting rooms, stopped wearing masks immediately on Tuesday.
  
  If they truly believed in their efficacy, they’d still be wearing them.
  
  But it wasn’t about efficacy, it was about “the rules”.
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:07am
  - Joely Doe
    
    It was never about masks.
    It was always about compliance.
    Masks have never worked.
    
    The only study that they can bring themselves to quote is the Bangladesh study of 300k people.
    Sounds impressive, a study of 300k to see who caught C19 and whether they were wearing masks.
    
    Trouble was, 1086 people wearing masks caught C19 and only 1106 people not wearing masks caught C19.
    
    20. Out of 150,000.
    
    They changed 80yrs of science for that. Pathetic.
    
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    September 14, 2022 7:26pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  In the bigger picture what did all your non mask wearing and other personal protests achieve beyond making you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?.
  The answer unfortunately is absolutely nothing as the party went on without you.
  Sad..
  
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  September 14, 2022 12:56pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    We weren’t allowed to have parties…
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:00pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      For me it did.
      I still flew all over NZ and went to events which required masks so my daily life was minimally effected by these rules.
      Restructuring your whole life to just try and prove some righteous point which most others don’t actually care about anyway only punishes yourself and really is just tragic.
      Life is too short to get all wound up about non events such as mask wearing.
      
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      September 14, 2022 2:55pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Mask wearing made communication difficult and must surely have impacted education. Moreover it made next to no difference to infections. A family member was sent to work at another site where another worker infected him. He returned to his home site for one day before he knew he was infected and when he returned from isolation found he had infected seven people. Everyone was vaccinated and wearing masks. So much for the mandates.
        
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        September 14, 2022 5:17pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Its because of a thing called “Principles” – heard of them, have you? I refuse to have an unproven gene therapy – a so called “vaccine” (which it isn’t) – against my will.
        I refuse to have an injection, the contents of which were developed by using material from aborted babies – the abortion industry income stream.
        I refused to wear a mask because the science showed that they were inneffective against a virus, so their forced use was merely and exercise in control, and virtue signalling.
        Need I carry on ? there are other reasons. practical and moral – and political.
        
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        September 14, 2022 5:21pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        “Need I carry on?”.
        No I get the picture that a mish mash of pseudo science, religious dogma and other assorted mumbo jumbo has clouded your sense of reason.
        
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        September 14, 2022 6:00pm
In Vino Veritas

There have been various posts about Auckland Transport here before. From creating bus lanes that mean a car lane is done away with, to a $20k bus stop on a Gulf Island that has no buses. Well, not far from where I live, AT have put in a pedestrian crossing controlled by lights, making it a whopping raised judder bar. The crossing is on a longish, straight stretch of road with a 60kmh limit. Purportedly it was put there because of safety issues, as there is a retirement home right next to it, and both retiree’s and staff, who parked their cars on the other side of the road keep crossing the road stupidly. 150m down the road, there is a crossing at a light controlled intersection. So, AT in another moment of enlightened brilliance, have created for the few, an impediment to the many. Because the few couldn’t be arsed walking a while and need to be protected from their own stupidity.
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September 14, 2022 8:34am
- Ruawai
  
  AT in Pukekohe have buses traveling round town all day long and almost always empty. At what point does someone do a business case and decide demand is not increasing. Economics 101 supply and demand, there is no demand so stop supplying and wasting our money. A local councilor told us patronage on some services had gone up 100%, but actual numbers mean they went from one person to two. Spend our rates on infrastructure like waste, water and roading.
  
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  September 14, 2022 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    The public transport nazis believe ‘if you build it they will come’. Money of course is no issue.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:18am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      No Robo, money is no issue because if you own a house in Auckland, you get the pleasure of subsidising other peoples bus trips.
      
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      September 14, 2022 9:49am
      - RoboRob
        
        Thats what I meant when I said ‘Money of course is no issue’ 🙂
        
        Its the same here in CHCH. The council can afford anything they want, just put up the rates to cover it.
        
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        September 14, 2022 10:37am
kowtow

Didn’t the Greens look like the Goons they are all masked up in the House yesterday , when everyone else wasn’t.

Interesting though what message are they trying to convey , or does anyone even care or notice.
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September 14, 2022 8:52am
- RoboRob
  
  I still want to know how many of the Green MPs actually got vaxed. The media is strangely un interested in this.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:19am
- Master Mariner
  
  Where are the Greens and the pollution of Masks,
  
  How are they to be disposed off in an enviromental way ?
  When will they acknowledge that Nuclear is Green energy, Just like the German Greens, Along with Gas.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I throw any I come across into the ocean – doesn’t everyone?
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:50am
Alex

There seems to be quite a few supernatural events around the death of Queen Elizabeth 11.
Rainbows appearing over two castles and a beam of light falling on her coffin after it was taken from St. Giles in Edinburgh.
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September 14, 2022 8:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Although I am completely of Hebridean heritage, I have not been blessed with The Sight, so alas, I cannot interpret these signs.
  
  https://www.scotsman.com/news/scots-belief-second-sight-gift-premonition-1482608
  
  Perhaps a tohunga can….
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The people in that link even look like they are crazy
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:57am
- cmm
  
  The sun shining in UK is a supernatural event!
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:54am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Yeah right Alex. There were angels standing behind her coffin.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:24am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I blame global warming. The planet is asking for help.
  
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  September 14, 2022 5:10pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0k7mr4MBVxo/

Trump Donor Takes Over CNN as GOP Poised to Take the Senate!

A donor to President Trump’s campaigns is in charge of CNN now. They’ve annoyed the Twit-terati about CNN saying the Republicans will take the senate. In other words, CNN are reporting facts. Employees are worried there is a purge of leftists. After all; gender neutral Potato Head is gone. Also two other lefties. [9:25]
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September 14, 2022 9:01am
- kowtow
  
  Bwa haha.
  
  Learn to code .
  
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  September 14, 2022 2:13pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZhyAqbkR4o

Swedish National Election Results: Red-Greens predicted to lose power

The Red-Greens might lose power. However it’s not totally a done deal. The good guys need to do a deal with a potential ally. [8:27]
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September 14, 2022 9:01am
- Matt Long
  
  So Sweden had a rational covid response with a Red Green government?
  
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  September 14, 2022 4:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How did that Government inquiry into our supermarkets work out?

New Zealand shoppers face some of the most expensive groceries in the OECD. In July 2021, a commerce commission investigation into New Zealand’s supermarket duopoly found the grocers were making huge profits and charging some of the highest prices in the OECD.

Anyone noticed any bargains anywhere?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/13/new-zealand-food-inflation-highest-for-13-years-as-vegetables-and-dairy-drive-prices
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September 14, 2022 9:03am
- Ghost
  
  Have prices come down in any of the areas this idiot govt have had inquiries? Power keeps rising and isn’t competitive. Petrol, why is it not 10cents cheaper outside of Auckland, guess that Auckland tax was put on everyone.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:05am
  - RoboRob
    
    The government knows exactly why energy prices are higher then they should be in NZ. Its intentional. The government has purposely hampered supply to push prices up, the idea is to force people onto public transport and to send us back to more subsistance living (and reducing population). It’s the green ideology.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:23am
  - Paulus
    
    But Grant still has to reintroduce the Petrol Tax of 25c per litre.
    
    Likewise am reading that many people want the Winter heating cash injection shortly finishing to be continued, as the effect on many people who currently collect it said to be upsetting with the loss of income as inflation bites.
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:57pm
    - Ghost
      
      I’d like to see the winter energy payment extended for pensioners
      
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      September 14, 2022 2:03pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Why? It’s not as if most of them are poor.
        
        It’s a benefit – so perhaps could be income tested like the other ones ….
        
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        September 14, 2022 3:22pm
      - Ghost
        
        How do you know most aren’t poor, or only have the state pension as an income
        
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        September 14, 2022 3:32pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Ghosr
        
        How do you know most aren’t poor, or only have the state pension as an income
        
        I don’t,but IRD and MSD do and – given some rules – they could figure out who to pay it to just like they do for the unemployed and single parents …. or maybe you would rather see it sprayed round all oldies without any regard for their circumstances
        
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        September 14, 2022 6:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        I do agree with asset testing. let’s hope they can do it better than working out who to give a cost of living payment too that actually live in New Zealand and aren’t dead
        
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        September 14, 2022 6:18pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I wish the Government would launch an inquiry into my salary
    
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    September 14, 2022 8:50pm
- RoboRob
  
  The strange thing is enquiries don’t seem to fix things. Perhaps we need some more converstations?
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How about a working group?
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:07am
- cmm
  
  If the current level of intervention didn’t fix the issues then clearly even more intervention required.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:55am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’m seeing a lot of big increases 20-50%.
  
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  September 14, 2022 5:04pm
Nickc2

If you think those inquiries were a farce, just wait until Cindy reveals the results of her proposed inquiry into the Govt’s handling of the Covid-19 fiasco.
If it’s carried out independently and without political bias and interference, the Black Ink redactions will be enormous.
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September 14, 2022 9:16am
- cmm
  
  Labour are good at redefining “independent”. Look at all the independent ex-Labour mayors!
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    So true cmm.
    
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    September 14, 2022 9:59am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-killing-of-juliana-hererra-joseph-james-brider-pleads-guilty-to-brutal-murder-of-colombian-woman-in-christchurch-flat-72-days-after-prison-release/MUBJSMB6KRVS4THN2BNUPWSKHQ/

This is a terrible murder, up there with the worst. Reminds me of the Sophie Elliott murder, yet, worse in some aspects due to the random nature of choosing his victim. And that he was released on parole.

Why is there so little public interest in this case? Was it because she was a foreign woman? Grace Millane was foreign and that attracted a lot of interest.

So tragic! Makes me so angry that labour have removed the tremendous three strikes law. So many people will die at the hands of criminals because labour are soft on crime.
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September 14, 2022 9:17am
- Harry Knuts
  
  “Makes me so angry that labour have removed the tremendous three strikes law.”
  there’s your answer. MSM bury these stories as much as they can as it highlights the failure of ditching the 3strikes law.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:25am
pdm

I have seen no indication that the Fisherman is part of Jacinda’s funeral entourage.

Will he go or should he stay?
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September 14, 2022 9:29am
- cmm
  
  Are they flying Emerates?
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Apparently Emirates has been mentioned on RNZ.
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Australian PM, Athnony Albanese, last weekend publicly offered to fly Ardern to the Queen’s funeral in a Royal Australian Air Force plane.
      
      He offered, as well, to take leaders of other Pacific islands with British links.
      
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      September 14, 2022 4:07pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  he’s the official handbag carrier. it’s a real thing – i’ve seen it before.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jethro will stay by her side – otherwise he might take off to a party somewhere
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:11am
cas

Anyone noticed the increase in people saying things like “to be honest with you”, and “if I am being honest”. What were they before – not honest?
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September 14, 2022 9:30am
- cmm
  
  A fish rots from the head.
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:38am
- Harry Knuts
  
  or my pet-peeve is “now listen” at the beginning of a sentence. politicians say it frequently when being interviewed. quite patronising.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:03am
- ISeeRed
  
  It’s just a saying. It’s the equivalent of “To be perfectly frank”. A desire to speak plainly at the risk of offending.
  
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  September 14, 2022 12:13pm
Warren

Chief Economist Craig Renney for NZ Trade Unions attacks the National Party with the help of Stuff on there veiw the Public Service is over staffed.
Nationalis claiming the number of Public Servants has “ballooned massively” in recent years but Craig Renney says the data doesn’t back these attacks.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129864996/we-may-have-more-public-servants-but-nzs-public-sector-isnt-bloated
While I believe the Labour Government have increased the over all number of those employed ,do private contractors come into the number of those employed by the public sector as it is my understanding which could be wrong that there number has massively increased under this Labour Government.
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September 14, 2022 9:39am
- mandk
  
  The Public Service Commission shows that the number of public servants increased by 28.6% between 2017 and 2021
  https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/our-work/workforce-data/drill-down-data-cubes/#s1
  
  Meanwhile, total employment in the economy increased by just 7.9% between 2017Q4 and 2021Q4
  https://infoshare.stats.govt.nz/ViewTable.aspx?pxID=2a69cbed-bcb6-4608-9b5b-3b609c0ab700
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:06am
  - surfing
    
    This is why we have no workers for actual useful things, like building houses and infrastructure.
    
    Instead, now they get to shuffle papers that noone will ever read.
    
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    September 14, 2022 12:48pm
Tauhei Notts

This morning I heard an interview with a Countdown (the Australian owned supermarket chain) senior official on The Platform.
Caution; if you are full of bullshit never ever consent to an interview on that site. Sean Plunket is becoming one of our country’s treasures. That woman from Countdown will require counselling after that interview. Some of us thought she was silly. We no longer think that way. We know, beyond any shadow of doubt, that she is stupid.
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September 14, 2022 9:45am
Maggie Pie

I see where 20 First Class passengers have been bumped off the Emirates flight to London to make way for Cindy and the rest of her hangers-on.

Gaylord & Neve will be spending up large at Harrods this time tomorrow 😀
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September 14, 2022 9:45am
- Flossie
  
  Why is the child going? Surely this is an official visit, not a family junket. And who’s paying?
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:04am
  - Nickc2
    
    Need you ask Flossie?
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:23am
    - Flossie
      
      Yeah, true.
      
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      September 14, 2022 11:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Us txpayers of course…who else?
    Apparently silly ol Charlie insisted all those attending fly commercial.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:23am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Except save the planet Biden. Who has refused. And there will be many more hypocrites who do the same. I have to say, I’d be seriously pissed with Emirates for dumping me from first. Particularly if it was the Dubai leg.
      
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      September 14, 2022 11:01am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Flossie – The rich pricks who are paying 39% tax on income over 180K are paying for this first class junket.
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Neve was at the Parliament announcement junket the other day on the steps of the House.
    
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    September 14, 2022 2:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  FC passengers will not be happy about that – not easy to get a rebooking to London at the moment.
  
  Hopefully Jaxxie has stood on the toes of someone with a bit of heft.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    Refresh please Maggie.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:24am
- MCōs
  
  Last time I was in Harrods they had a new line of iPhone so I said ‘Give me one’.
  Chap apologised and said they didn’t actually have any. I bought a self stick instead.
  It broke not long after.
  I saw one exactly the same in the Avondale Market for half the price.
  Place has gone downhill since Mohamed Al-Fayed sold it.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:19am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    MCos – If you are trying to buy a new iPhone, that too from Harrods, you must be a rich prick. Are you paying enough tax to help the poor of this country? Are you willing to pay some extra tax to restore social justice? What say you?
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:15am
    - Ehlana
      
      Sir Cullen, your assumption that paying tax will help the poor is generous.
      
      I suggest anyone who really wants to help their fellow humankind find an effective charity of their choice and donate to them. Try Givewell for some ideas: https://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities
      
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      September 14, 2022 12:47pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Harrods has been a shop for the great unwashed since forever MCos. If you want clothes for instance, go to a proper shop. I used to get my suits made on Savile Row. Norton’s was a fav. And I could get my Church shoes just round the corner on Regent St.
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:54pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  surely fan-girl Jessica not-Mutch will be the official photographer and journo for the trip. more sunrise photo ops anyone?
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Do you know who I am?” – again
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:23am
- Frank the tank
  
  I’d more more worried about the Maori King Mags – that family has got form in this area.
  
  Also surprised that Mahutacorp wasn’t travelling – perhaps an extra seat was a cost too far….
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:35am
Taieri

Saving the Planet…

“(…)Originally it was proposed the wind farm would spread over 2568ha with a maximum of 83 turbines, and was expected to cost $400 million.

Kaiwera Downs (stage 1)
– Will cost $115m.

– Project is fully consented.

Construction to start next month and take a year.

– Kaiwera Downs wind farm will have capacity of 43MW, enough to power 20,000 homes or 66,000 electric vehicles.

– 10 turbines, each with 77m tower, 136m rotor and 145m tip height.

– Kaiwera Downs set to start producing power late next year.(…)”

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/wind-farm-something-we-will-have-learn-live

20000 homes, 66000 electric vehicles…and not a word that 43 MW is just a nameplate capacity and not the actual achievable output.
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September 14, 2022 9:54am
- cmm
  
  “Kaiwera Downs wind farm will have capacity of 43MW, enough to power 20,000 homes or 66,000 electric vehicles.”
  
  Lies, lies lies.
  
  Yes these are enough if the wind blows at full power all the time (ie. operates at its nameplate capacity).
  
  Reality is that wind power only produces a small fraction of its nameplate capacity. Less than 20%.
  
  If you want power the rest of the time then you still need to build a coal station (or nuke or whatever) to pick up the slack. Thus you need to build both. Double the cost.
  
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  September 14, 2022 10:02am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    This wind farm (like every other wind farm in the world) will power zero homes when the wind isn’t blowing.
    Yup, double the cost, but it will likely make the grid more fragile.
    
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    September 14, 2022 10:48am
Surely Knott

The ad reads “How to make your climate concerns heard. Get out and vote in the local elections. With a Stuff logo in the top corner” & Sponsored by the Warehouse across the bottom.

The Warehouse are sponsoring Stuff’s Forever Project a climate campaign that runs during the election complete with get out the vote ads.

Shouldn’t a get out the vote ad be neutral. Like get out and vote for the issues that matter to you?

And is it weird that the Warehouse is taking the moral high road on climate change.

And do we like our corporates and newspapers telling us who to vote for and what the most important issue is?
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September 14, 2022 10:14am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Wait until the bribe partners start publishing puff pieces as why Labour deserves a third term.
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:17am
  - Frank the tank
    
    It will be subtle as a sledgehammer but will be aimed at Te Reo’s inadequacy rather than Brenda’s ability.
    
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    September 14, 2022 11:37am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Green washing is a corporate thing.
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:35am
Black with a Vengeance

Martial arts expert claims self-defence in assault over Covid-19 views
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129876190/martial-arts-expert-claims-selfdefence-in-assault-over-covid19-views
__________________

Perhaps the ol fella should have picked on someone his own size but still, bro c’mon, where’s the challenge in laying into him and his missus.

That’s some weak sauce!!!
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September 14, 2022 11:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  And this sums up the idiocy of New Zimbabwe under the covid cult.
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:38am
  - MCōs
    
    Sums up you
    
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    September 14, 2022 4:49pm
- Swifty
  
  Check him out on Facebook.
  
  The guy is full of himself, profoundly ignorant and displays thuggishness frequently.
  
  I suspect he has a little todger.
  
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  September 14, 2022 12:02pm
- Swifty
  
  Guilty.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129876190/martial-arts-expert-guilty-of-assaults-following-covid19-spat
  
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  September 14, 2022 1:59pm
Ian Boag

And now for smething completey different

The National Poly – Te whatever – has just lost its CFO who has been in the job 3 months. After losing the CEO. Oops. I am a bit confused that someone in National said

If in power, National would disestablish Te Pūkenga and give polytechnics back to their communities

Sounds fair enough except that some of them were in deepish doodoo … so how does that work? We all know that Southland was just fine but others weren’t.
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September 14, 2022 11:41am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The problem with polytechs is that they themselves have created their chaos. They were once for trade training now they all offer courses on everything from business degrees to Phd in pet de-hairing (I jest but point made).
  
  If they all went back to their core business models and offered quality course training aligned with apprenticeships etc then they would be able to retake their autonomy.
  
  They went after the money, bums on seats and governement cash and that house of cards has tumbled…….
  
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  September 14, 2022 11:47am
- Tony Stuart
  
  If you get in deep doo doo, you have to get yourself out, and not wait for the long-suffering taxpayer to have his/her wallet cleaned out again.
  
  As for Southland, it was superbly run for 23 years by its CEO Penny Simmonds. Ms Simmonds is now the National Party MP for Invercargill, and will be very handy to have around when National is elected next year.
  
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  September 14, 2022 12:03pm
  - Ross Campbell
    
    You were probably singing Sarah Dowie’s praises a few years back as well Tony and we all know how that ended up.
    The bar has been set low in National Party Invercargill circles so it can only go up from here surely.
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:41pm
- surfing
  
  They may have been in deepish ‘doodoo’… I understand polytechs were losing 50 million a year.
  
  However, Hipkins has restructured them and now they are losing 100 million a year. In addition to 200 million dollars of restructuring costs. What kind of doodoo is that?
  
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  September 14, 2022 12:45pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Here’s a handy graphic for measuring depth of doodoo surfing: https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/10-deepest-parts-of-the-ocean/
    
    Perhaps we could call it South Sandwich doodoo?
    
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    September 14, 2022 1:44pm
- mandk
  
  The problem with the polytechs was their financial model, but Hipkins and the other Labour crypto-Stalinists took a look and tried to fix it by changing the operational model.
  
  Who would have guessed that centralised control was not going to work?
  
  There is nothing this government can’t wreck while attempting to improve things.
  
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  September 14, 2022 1:02pm
  - Paulus
    
    But doesn’t the Labour Government have absolute control from the top ?
    
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    September 14, 2022 2:07pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Who would have guessed that centralised control was not going to work?
    
    Who would have guessed that non-centralised control was not going to work? (except in Invercargill of course.)
    
    I asked what I thought was an honest question about what “returning the polys to the communities” would actually mean and what might happen now. Not looking to score any points or be smart ….
    
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    September 14, 2022 3:30pm
    - mandk
      
      I think the point is that, if the problem is misdiagnosed, and the “solution” imposed is for an entirely different problem, the result is an even bigger mess than there was in the first place.
      
      What I can’t figure out is whether Hipkins and co could not see this, or whether they simply didn’t care because they wanted to take control.
      
      I actually think the polytechs would work better if they were returned to their communities, but they would still need to have their funding model fixed.
      
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      September 14, 2022 3:49pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I asked what I thought was an honest question about what “returning the polys to the communities” would actually mean
        
        Sorry to repeat myself.
        
        have their funding model fixed
        
        Sounds sensible. What does it mean again? Surely not some central body deciding what UCOL in Palmy can run courses for.
        
        And of course there is a confounding factor – covid blew holes in enrolments. Dunno where that figures in the return to the communities ….
        
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        December 14, 2021 5:27pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/stymied-tauranga-port-gets-new-2023-court-date-as-d-day-for-container-capacity-closes-in/GJN3DQYCFGMQNUI43NAHXAUD34/

Interesting story, as soon as I saw the word ‘stymied’ my immediate thought was that the local maori are blocking progress again, likely because they want payouts in return for support.

You need to read until the end of the article, but this says it all..
“Ten Maori entities planned to make submissions to the Environment Court at the cancelled July hearing.”

The treaty is a tool for blackmail. God forbid that maori can’t go pipi hunting like in the old days. If maori like the old days so much, they should give up their cars and should definitely not visit the supermarket.
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September 14, 2022 12:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t build a marae on someone else’s land….
  
  https://www.teaomaori.news/dharug-ngurra-nation-opposes-marae-sydney
  
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  September 14, 2022 1:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Q. What happens when Labour bribes local Councils?

A. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/eric-crampton-bad-debt-and-a-bad-precedent
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September 14, 2022 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

EXPLOSIVE!!

Only just back home after a grueling workout with the tennis coach.

Now if like me, you’ve been following the Ghislaine Maxwell saga, I’ve just been sent the link to Jeff Epstein’s ‘Little-Black-Book’.
It’s 95 pages and contains more than 1900 names!!

Thort it worth sharing with the group….

https://epsteinsblackbook.com

No wonder the wanted to silence him 🙁
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September 14, 2022 1:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No Clintons..
  
  Cheap Flights…
  Very Cheap Flights…
  and a lifetime supply of masseuses
  
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  September 14, 2022 3:09pm
  - Ghost
    
    No Andrew, and a few others. Oh no wonder this info is from Qanon
    
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    September 14, 2022 5:38pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Duke of York is there.. p.16
      with 15 phone nos and 2 addresses.
      
      https://epsteinsblackbook.com/names/duke-of-york
      
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      September 14, 2022 5:47pm
      - Ghost
        
        Thanks I was looking under his name not tittle
        
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        September 14, 2022 5:51pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Wee Billy is there Maggy, look harder…….
    
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    September 14, 2022 6:36pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You mean the Doug Band link?
      
      https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/doug-band-is-shocked-shocked-to-discover-the-clintons-are-slimy/
      
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      September 14, 2022 8:10pm
103PapPap

Went to the Fendalton Library this morning – all the checkout computers are programmed in Maori (for Maori language week).

Confused oldie in front of me couldn’t understand what was going on – even the instructions on how to reset the computer to English – were in Maori!!!!!
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September 14, 2022 2:24pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Given the lingusitic eugenics currently embedded in this Government you may dind come Monday they stay in Maori and are not changed back to a language more than a larger majority of citizens actually use.
  Watch that space I say.
  
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  September 14, 2022 2:50pm
- Jack5
  
  Same thing at another Christchurch City library, 103PapPap, but no instructions how to change to English language.
  
  Finally found that little flags in the bottom left of the screen allow the user to set the language. The one under a pirate flag is worth trying.
  
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  September 14, 2022 2:54pm
Jack5

New Zealand’s trading position with the world continues to worsen.

Statistics NZ reports the annual current account deficit has continued to widen. In the year ended June 30, the annual current account deficit was $27.8 billion (7.7 per cent of gross domestic product ), $16.3 billion wider than in the June 2021 year (3.4 percent of GDP).

The largest annual current account deficit before the COVID pandemic was $14.7 billion in the December 2008 year during the global financial crisis (7.8 per cent of GDP).
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September 14, 2022 2:53pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Don’t panic Laurel and Hardly know what they are doing.
  
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  September 14, 2022 3:04pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Wholey shit. No wonder the NZD is tanking. Govt thieving from everyone by stealth – wages relative to rest of world plummeting due to inflation and collapsing NZD. Inevitable result will be massive brain drain, and worse collapse of health system.
  
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  September 14, 2022 7:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Goodness…
a scientifically proven way to stop your baby from crying…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2022/09/how-to-stop-your-baby-crying-according-to-science.html

Seems very odd that they didn’t consider the method I usually used….which was to shove one of my mammary glands into hungry babe’s mouth.
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September 14, 2022 3:16pm
- cmm
  
  Scraping the barrel on cutting science.
  
  21 babies handled by very different people in very different ways with no hint of control for environment etc hardly strikes me as a valid way of “proving” anything with science. The sample size is just too small and the methodology is far more robust.
  
  Still, with all the other attacks on what passes for science this is to be expected.
  
  I’m with you on your choice: boob is best.
  
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  September 14, 2022 3:41pm
surfing

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/302721-new-speed-limits-urban-rotorua.html

Road to zero simply means reducing speed limits and stopping right hand turns.

More rubbish coming from a government near you.
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September 14, 2022 3:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not Rotorua’s biggest problem
  
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  September 14, 2022 9:02pm
Jack5

Chris Trotter, at Bowalley Road, is hot about Government housing policy:

“How strange that this is where we’ve ended up. With a government of property developers, by property developers, for property developers. A government which has actually made it illegal to protect character housing.”

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/09/the-bad-guys-are-winning.html
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September 14, 2022 4:02pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Heaven forbid that property owners have property rights. No, let me judge your home’s character.
  
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  September 14, 2022 5:01pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Trotter the fascist?
  
  He’s also on the board of the Free Speech Union which is bizarre considering he posted this a year ago. Apparently “free speech” is only available to people who agree with him.
  He clearly wanted the unwashed “anti vaxxers” punished as hard as possible, he even says the Ardern government were too nice to them. What a lovely socialist he is. Have a read and remember these people.
  
  All very well for the sociologists and medical ethicists, but not at all helpful to a Government struggling with the problem of what to do with citizens who refuse to acknowledge either the validity of “The Science”, or their obligations to the collective welfare of the society in which they live.
  
  After all, the proudly vaccine resistant – the so-called “anti-vaxxers” – cannot even point to a brutalised upbringing in poverty as the explanation for their selfishness. In the avowed and proud anti-vaxxer, the state is confronted with the sort of reckless solipsism that it is actually dangerous to ignore.
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/112893/those-who-complain-prime-minister-unnecessarily-and-unethically-stigmatising
  
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  September 15, 2022 7:21am
NZer In Exile

A very good podcast called Triggernometry:

A very good episode:
Andrew Doyle: “Vote Left or Right, You Still Get Woke Politics”

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/triggernometry/andrew-doyle-vote-left-or-Mns-VNo4cwI/
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September 14, 2022 5:56pm
Bridgenag

Haven’t looked it all before and now, after yesterday so distressed at the top of the state of Queen street { being a country cuzzi} to see S & C with “beggars” outside and the lovely
arcade nearby with graffiti ………..so sad As a country cuzzi……. I was there before 10.00 opening and walked around to fill in time… I would never go to that area again Huge buses with 3 people going past for WHAT…… what has happening to this lovely country……….. sigh
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September 14, 2022 5:56pm
Ghost

So wait, a fully charged etruck has a distance of 130km. Well shit, it won’t even be able to do the Christchurch to timaru route.

V https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/129812483/electric-truck-swaps-battery-faster-than-it-takes-to-fill-a-tank
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September 14, 2022 6:33pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Looks like corporate green/woke window dressing to me. I’m guessing totally uneconomical (IE WAY too expensive) to roll out across the fleet.
  
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  September 15, 2022 4:43pm

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