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Warren

So this is the New Zealand that may people want according to the polls, so really people will get what they deserve.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teenager-jayden-meyer-sentenced-to-nine-months-home-detention-after-raping-four-15-year-old-girls/D6IWSUPAWWA7Q5TBPZ4BRLZRMQ/
Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Labours soft on crime attitudes has rubbed off on our Judiciary with decisions like this and could spark a vigilante approach from victims families if this nonsense is allowed to continue.
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September 6, 2022 8:02am
- slightlyrighty
  
  “A psychologist, who saw Meyer 30 times during the prosecution, found he had a medium risk of reoffending, AND CONTINUES TO MINIMISE THE EFFECT OF HIS CRIMES.”
  
  Seems the judge agrees with him.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why on earth would a psychologist need to see this young offender 30 times?
    
    That actually sounds like mental/psychological harassment.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:54am
    - Jack5
      
      You can bet taxpayers paid for 30 psychology consultations.
      
      New Zealand – a great place to be a crim.
      
      A Labour Government soft on gangs; a Labour government that is emptying prisons and housing released inmates in motels; and judges who seem to regard prison punishment as chiefly for those who break censorship laws.
      
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      September 6, 2022 12:13pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  That makes me so very, very angry. What is happening to this country?
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:38am
  - Tricati
    
    Couldn’t agree more – An appalling decision for a heinous crime. NZ is really going down hill on so many fronts and the concern for me is people are now ‘normalizing’ it eg ram raids etc.
    
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    September 6, 2022 8:54am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    #BeKind
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:08am
    - kowtow
      
      To crims .
      
      The rest of us ? Not so much.
      
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      September 6, 2022 9:12am
  - curry4me
    
    What’s happening is it is turning into New Zimbabwe. More to come if Labour win next year.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:58am
    - pdm
      
      curry – here is an even more scary thought.
      
      A Labour/Green/Maori Party Government as per the Roy Morgan Poll.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:36am
      - Drone
        
        Can’t be stopped, they are on a roll..
        
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        September 6, 2022 4:53pm
      - curry4me
        
        That’d boost Air New Zealand’s earnings with a lot of people buying one way tickets to Oz.
        
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        September 6, 2022 7:36pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Do you mean abuse in state care?
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:39am
  - rouppe
    
    No, sexual assaults at Labor Party youth camps
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:47am
- Yabster
  
  yep soft Judge burt it seems even the crown prosecuters are in on it…
  
  Both Crown prosecutor Anna Pollett and Meyer’s lawyer Rachael Adams submitted that a sentence of home detention would be most appropriate – despite the Crown accepting imprisonment would be the ordinary sentence for this sort of offending; “and indeed one of many years”.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This begs the question; has Crown Law instructed Crown Prosecutors to seek alternative sentences to imprisonment wherever possible?
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:34am
    - David Garrett
      
      Tony: That’s a perfectly legitimate question to ask. It must be borne in mind however that at the end of the day it is the Judge’s job to hand down a just sentence which is consistent with all the facts of the matter and the offender’s personal circumstances.
      
      I do not believe this sentence remotely provides justice for the young victims of this prick.
      
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      September 6, 2022 10:15am
      - Maggie's partner
        
        as the French would say, albeit ironically in this case, pour encourager les autres
        
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        September 6, 2022 10:30am
      - kowtow
        
        Maggie’s P
        
        Exactly . The opposite of deterence.
        
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        September 6, 2022 10:50am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I couldn’t agree more David. But given that the Crown Prosecutor and defence lawyer were agreed that Home D was an appropriate sentence, the odds of an appeal on the grounds that the sentence was manifestly light are somewhere approaching nil.
        
        We all know that Labour wants to keep the prison population down, so again I ask, is Crown Law colluding to ensure this happens?
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Four rapes and the prick gets to wear a bracelet for 9 months. Pathetic.
  Wonder what his workmates will say?//
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:10am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘A psychologist, who saw Meyer 30 times during the prosecution, found he had a medium risk of reoffending, and continues to minimise the effect of his crimes.’
  
  He’ll do it again. So much pain for those young women and he doesn’t care.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:16am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    The women have a lifetime sentence while the offender get’s slapped with a wet bus ticket.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:34am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Telling victims of any sexual crime that “Yep. You’re fucked. For the rest of your life. You’ll never get over it. EVER.” is detestable. That’s what you’re implying with your “lifetime sentence”.
      
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      September 6, 2022 12:29pm
  - pdm
    
    All on Red dsid – `He”ll do it again’.
    
    Definitely will now he has had a taste of it.
    
    For wnt of a better phrase.
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:39am
  - fernglas
    
    The lack of remorse seems to tie back to the fact that he defended the charges. He was 16 at the time of the offending but other than that it is hard to tell what allowed the judge to get the sentence below two years so he could impose home D. An adult who raped a number of women would be looking at double figures.
    
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    September 6, 2022 1:38pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    You mean society doesn’t care. (as evident by his sentence)
    
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    September 6, 2022 5:26pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Insulting to the victims. Sexual offender/sex pest gets HomeD and plays nintendo and watches netflix all day – hardly punishment.
  Sentence has given a clear message that this crime was on the lower end of the scale. Disappointing.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:33am
- Ghost
  
  So wait, bleep bleep. This boy is 18, that means this is the second teenager who has raped teen girls that has been given home dentition. Yeah labour you aren’t soft on crime, you just don’t give a damn about crime
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300654512/corrections-didnt-tell-uni-before-letting-rapist-on-home-detention-attend-classes
  
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  September 6, 2022 10:03am
- kowtow
  
  Funny how Ardern’s support demographic is heavily female and yet this regime clearly does not give a fig for protecting women .
  
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  September 6, 2022 10:13am
- riffer
  
  Notwithstanding the obvious fact that this guy is seriously disturbed, you need to remember:
  
  New Zealand has three branches of Government:
  
  The Legislature consists of Members of Parliament and the Governor-General. The role of the Legislature is to make laws (legislation), and to scrutinise the Executive.
  
  The Executive consists of Ministers (both inside and outside Cabinet) and Government departments. The role of the Executive is to decide policy, propose laws (which must be approved by the Legislature) and administer the law.
  
  The Judiciary consists of all judges. The role of the judiciary is to interpret and apply the law. There are two main sources of law: statutes (the laws passed by Parliament) and the ‘common law’. The common law has been developed by judges over the centuries, and may be altered by the courts to meet changing circumstances.
  
  The three branches operate independently from one another, a principle known as the ‘separation of powers’. This principle is intended to prevent abuses of power, as each branch acts as a check on the others.
  
  Even if the government wanted the judiciary to act differently they are unable to, and it is disingenuous of you to suggest influence on the judiciary.
  
  Additionally, I think Debbi Tohill is way off suggesting a link between porn and this behaviour. If that were true, given NZers are some of the largest consumers of porn in the world, our rape statistics would be far worse than they already are.
  
  I suspect somewhere in this individual’s upbringing something has gone massively wrong.
  But I am not silly enough to suggest that it has anything to do with the government that was around when he was a child.
  
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  September 6, 2022 10:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    this guy is seriously disturbed,
    
    I can’t see that 9 months home detention is going to be of much help……especially if home was the somewhere in this individual’s upbringing [where] something has gone massively wrong.
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:38am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @MW-
      So as Riffer alleges above: “given NZers are some of the largest consumers 0f porn in the world”.- does being on home D mean sexual predators sitting on the couch still have access to the internet?
      Could be handy that.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:50am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘given NZers are some of the largest consumers 0f porn in the world”.-
        
        We know this cos they put it on their parliamentary credit card expenses.
        
        Fap , fap, fap.
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:00pm
    - Jack5
      
      … somewhere in this individual’s upbringing something has gone massively wrong …
      
      The old hard-Determinism argument that there is no freedom of choice.
      
      How do many people with misguided, hard, or twisted upbringing NOT commit brutal crimes?
      
      Most of us know people from brutal, even appalling, background, who have emerged as good citizens.
      
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      September 6, 2022 12:22pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Democracy (noun) is a SYSTEM of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
    
    Surely, if the ‘SYSTEM’ doesn’t do what the people want, change the ‘SYSTEM’. That’s democracy at work, isn’t it?
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:47am
- rouppe
  
  The assessment seemed to be that prison would make him a worse rapist than home detention.
  
  Which means there isn’t a useful alternative deterrent.
  
  Like a public flogging.
  
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  September 6, 2022 12:18pm
  - Liberty
    
    A few years ago. Mike Moore had one of his better ideas.
    New Zealand should imitate Singapour.
    But after his fellow travelers reminded Mike.
    One of the reasons why Singapour has been so successful.
    Is because it doesn’t have a social welfare department
    And does not tolerate little shits.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay
    
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    September 6, 2022 3:44pm
- The Scunner Campbell
  
  Seems that the prosecutor did not want him punished either:
  Both Crown prosecutor Anna Pollett and Meyer’s lawyer Rachael Adams submitted that a sentence of home detention would be most appropriate – despite the Crown accepting imprisonment would be the ordinary sentence for this sort of offending; “and indeed one of many years”.
  
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  September 6, 2022 12:49pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Many years next time perhaps.
    
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    September 6, 2022 4:50pm
westernScientist

Might have to move to Chile, at least the majority of their population dont want co-governance:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/voters-in-chile-overwhelmingly-reject-a-draft-constitution-11662336970

Quote:
“Many Chileans told pollsters they were troubled by provisions that would have ended the principle of equality under the law by giving rights to indigenous groups that other people wouldn’t have, such as running their own justice system and being able to veto projects, laws and other initiatives, even on issues that wouldn’t directly affect them.”
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September 6, 2022 8:06am
- emmess
  
  Fat chance, we will ever get a referendum though
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:33am
- Yvette
  
  But Chile’s proposed text would be more comprehensive in some ways. “The Canadian Constitution protects aboriginal and treaty rights, the Sami people in Norway, Sweden and Finland have their own parliaments, and there are various regions with autonomous jurisdiction in Mexico,” said Claire Charters, a professor of Indigenous law at the University of Auckland in New Zealand. “But the Chilean constitution brings all of that together into one written constitution — and that is unique.”
  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/world/americas/chile-constitution-vote-indigenous.html
  
  Authors of He Puapua
  The Declaration Working Group was made up of the following members:
  • Claire Charters – Chairwoman.
  • Kayla Kingdon-Bebb.
  • Tamati Olsen.
  • Waimirirangi Ormsby.
  • Emily Owen.
  • Judith Pryor.
  • Jacinta Ruru.
  • Naomi Solomon.
  
  n her former role as Minister for Māori Development, in 2019 Nanaia Mahuta commissioned the He Puapua report which proposes a “transformation necessary to restructure governance” of New Zealand.
  Two of the Minister’s close family members – Tamoko and Waimirirangi Ormsby – were part of the small group of contributors who worked on the document
  https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/co-governance-the-crown-and-the-mahuta-dynasty
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  I lurv how the Media Pardy described it as a “progressive” constitution.
  
  ‘Progressive’ is a euphemism for neo Marxism.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:13am
Southern Raider

Teen (was 16 now 18) convicted of raping 4 young girls, sexual violation of others and gets 9 months home detention

That sentence sums up everything wrong with NZ at the moment
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September 6, 2022 8:08am
- pdm
  
  As part of his rehabilitation he will be sent to a Labour Party Youth Camp.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    What for? To improve his predatory skills and learn how to avoid consequences for actions?
    
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    September 6, 2022 8:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who wood know?
      
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      September 6, 2022 8:46am
  - riffer
    
    You know, pdm, that statement really reeks of assholery.
    
    I get that this place is an echo chamber, that at times verges on extremism. But seriously, do you really think your comments stimulate healthy debate?
    
    Because to me you come across as a poo flinging monkey. Try to come up with something intelligent to comment about rather than just insinuating everything bad in this country is related to one particular political party.
    
    Loser.
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      PDM is commenting on the alleged sexual abuse and underage drinking at Labour youth camps where the predators and enablers appear to be immune to consequences, he expresses his point with wry humour.
      You find that offensive, I wonder why?
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:37am
      - Matt Long
        
        And I’m sure PDM would agree the greens are least equally culpable with Labour for everything bad that happens in the country.
        
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        September 6, 2022 11:40am
    - pdm
      
      No Riffer the raped young ladies are the losers.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:42am
    - Yabster
      
      “But seriously, do you really think your comments stimulate healthy debate”?
      
      Rif raf do you know the meaning of irony…?
      
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      September 6, 2022 12:59pm
- Scooter
  
  Not even a photo so his next victims can be pre warned.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  18 = voting age. This kid will have mates that can vote, can’t upset that. We know the socialists are desperate.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:27am
  - riffer
    
    You too Steve. You are one of the more irrational ones. Your comments merely recycle anti-Labour hatred without attempting to deal with the actual problem.
    
    Its the stuff extremism is made of. Grow up.
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Don’t feed the troll Steve
      
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      September 6, 2022 10:50am
      - riffer
        
        Dude, its not trolling. Go and get some sunlight. You are sounding seriously unhinged some days.
        
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        September 6, 2022 11:14am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Hey Steve Otto – hope you aren’t a candidate in the local body elections.
        You might get investigated and listed as undesirable……..
        
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        September 6, 2022 11:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Gravel, “undesirable” has got to be better than the freeloading bastards we have on the Auckland Council now.
        “undesirable” is just what Auckland needs – no sarc.
        
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        September 6, 2022 3:16pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Any anti-Labour sentiment is justified, recycled or not! They’re a bunch of corrupt wankers!
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:35am
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s bad government actions that drive extremism, not criticism of government.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:44am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Stop planting the keyword extremist in this blogger riffer. Its so obviius what yiu are doing
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He is just an annoying troll, but he does not know what a ‘troll’ is. Must be a socialist wank
        
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        September 6, 2022 3:20pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      While Labour is in the driver’s seat in Govt, Labour is the problem.
      Your defense of a governing party that has failed pretty much on all their election promises to date taken NZ socially and economically backwards solely through their decisions, even with expert advice and at times going against it, can only be the ones responsible for this mess.
      Surely you must be disappointed with your choice to vote Labour by now?? or are your expectations that low?
      
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      September 6, 2022 1:23pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Happy to acknowledge that deli very has been poor.
        
        National will fix all this with tax cuts …. really?
        
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        September 6, 2022 6:59pm
Nickc2

Latest smoke signals coming from the Beehive are saying Rotorua is to become the Maori Capital of Aotearoa under a Co-governance announcement to be made before Christmas (Kirihimete).
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September 6, 2022 8:10am
- RockyJ
  
  That would be wonderful if the new bantustan of Aotearoa was to be self funded. It would collapse in months under a tide of waste and corruption
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:45am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Oh please let them push this!
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    All those occupying the Motels will be taken on as Maori Parliamentary Staff. Another problem solved eh?
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:01am
- Loddenthinks
  
  False alarm – the smoke signals were just another fire from cooking meth in the motel kitchen. Stand down.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:09am
  - kowtow
    
    No it was Greens imbibing their sacred ‘herb’ , while discussing banning tobacco .
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wouldn’t that be a Christmas cracker!
  
  I mean, Tainui would not be too happy at having Arawa in the driving seat. Nor would Nga Puhi. Or Maniapoto. Or – well, you get the idea.
  
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  September 6, 2022 7:18pm
iMP

Snow across Chch.
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September 6, 2022 8:11am
- Nukuleka
  
  Yes, that darned pesky global warming!
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “climate change” – it’s an “extreme weather event” which only happens every 2 years in the South Island. Get with the programme. //
    
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    September 6, 2022 8:54am
    - Batman
      
      The citizens of Pakistan would like a word with you.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:01am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The citizens of Pakistan who are affected by the floods live on the vast Indus river flood plain – its been there for tens of thousands of years. Every so often it has flooded causing disaster, like is happening now, and like happened several times last century, and no doubt many times over the previous centuries.
        Not so called ‘climate change’, but natural cycles in climatic & geological history.
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:17pm
      - kowtow
        
        They’d be more concerned if the monsoon failed.
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:29pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Because floods in the Middle East only started happening since the invention of the steam engine onwards. That puts paid to the bible stories then innit? lol
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:36pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The belief by a certain subset of those currently inhabiting this planet that they, A – have the right and/or duty to decide which current creatures and plants deserve to live and which have to die – in some insane idea they can “preserve” some sort of perceived Utopia forever in some form of terrarium, and B – that in the couple of millions of years that this rock we live on has been flying through the universe and in which we’ve only kept reasonable climate records for a minute period in time – that they have decided our actions in this blip of time have brought the planet to the brink of extinction, these beliefs can only be described as narcissistic, delusional, nonsensical insanity.
        
        These people, DOC, the Greens, the “climate change” doomsayers, they are certifiable and they are also very, very dangerous, maniacal ideologues. Their belief in their position has taken on religious proportions of the worst kind. They believe they have identified the perfect point in the history of the planet to stop evolution in its tracks and preserve all existing native species. Oh, except for those pesky weka who won’t play the game and keep eating other birds’ eggs as they’ve done forever, they had to be wiped out with a aerial poison drop on an offshore island. The most ironic part of that world saving event is, it was DOC who put the weka onto that island in the first place to protect them because they were endangered!! Talk about idiotic.
        
        Every strand of the web of life we are part of is connected. Fuck with one part and you have no idea of the implications for other parts, of the devastation and destruction you might unleash.
        
        But these idiots in their arrogance and narcissism know better. They really do believe they can create a Utopia. That they are the ones to choose what lives and dies. That they can “control” the climate. That we can all get “free” energy from the sun and we’ll all live happily ever after.
        
        There aren’t adequate words to describe how utterly stupid these narcissists are. The worrying thing is their numbers appear to be growing and they are getting more militant. Maybe this winter when they are freezing to death in northern Europe they’ll have time to reconsider whether or not oil and gas are viable forms of energy or not. They could certainly do with a lesson in reality.
        
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        September 6, 2022 1:03pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Pakistan suffered from 21 major floods between 1950 and 2011—almost 1 flood every 3 years.
        These floods have killed a total of 8,887 people, damaged or destroyed 109,822 villages, and caused
        economic losses amounting to $19 billion. The devastating 2010 flood caused the highest damage of all in terms of economic costs: about $10 billion.
        
        https://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/publication/30431/indus-basin-floods.pdf
        
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        September 6, 2022 1:56pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Batman, would you like me to pull out all the news articles from this time of year in the 1970s. I can recall in my youth hearing annual stories about flooding in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India caused by the seasonal monsoon rains.
        
        Guess what time of year it is?
        
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        September 6, 2022 2:29pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Batman, a study done in 2011 (Gaurav, Sinha and Panda) after the catestrophic 2010 flooding in Pakistan concluded that the cause of so much damage and displacement wasn’t just confined to the amount of rainwater that fell and glacier melt, but also to human interventions in the river system. I’d bet a fiver that nothing has changed. Instead of constant inundation by ordinary rainfall, embankments and barrages on both sides of the river have caused massive build ups of silt, consequent heavy rainfall causes upstream breaches and catastrophic inundation. So yeah, NAH on the tell the Pakistanis about climate change.
        
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        September 6, 2022 4:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Climate change (weather)
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Let’s go Brenda
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September 6, 2022 8:11am
Cassandra

For those with an interest outside NZ and covid etc, there’s an interesting editorial in The Times today on new PM Liz Truss. It describes her “flinty ideological approach” (à La Mrs T) but also her considerable political experience and “mastery of the dark arts”. But it also reports on the immense difficulties she now faces. Turbulent times in the UK. Note that the UK remains an important market for us, it’s a member of Five Eyes & AUKUS.
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September 6, 2022 8:12am
- Nickc2
  
  I note the French have named her ‘the Iron Weather Cock’ because she is known to ‘Point & Spin’ in whatever direction the wind blows.
  I detect a Boris resurgence with the public in the not-too-distant future.
  NB: The French are not renowned for their humour.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:30am
  - Cassandra
    
    I think the French comment is unfair. “When the facts change I change my opinion” as Paul Samuelson said. NB no record of Keynes famous remark has been found!
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Taking lessons from Pierre Crappeau are we , no thanks.
    
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    September 6, 2022 5:58pm
- kowtow
  
  It is also our cultural , legal , constitutional and demographic ‘homeland ‘.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It is also my homeland, but like NZ, it is unrecognisable from 30 years ago. Neither Truss nor Sunak will reverse this decline. We are in the middle of the “great reset” and it will take something quite dramatic to prevent this slide into totalitarianism and the end of the true democracy that we had for many years.
    
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/whether-sunak-or-truss-is-pm-the-globalists-will-be-in-charge/
    
    The globalist agenda has captured every institution it’s marched through this last 80 years, to the point where only civil war has any chance of reversing it, and even then, it’s questionable that it would happen because the globalists are just itching for an excuse to introduce further surveillance, face recognition technology, and put the military on the streets in the name of ‘safety’.
    
    Meanwhile UK Column News reported that the World Economic Forum has produced a document aimed at the sexualisation of children aged 0-4 years. This vile paper includes details of best practice when dealing with issues such as masturbation, the touching of genitals, and how all paedophiles are not always bad people, and should therefore not be referred to as such.
    
    That WDF paper is genuine. Follow the link but be prepared to be horrified at what they propose.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:52am
    - Batman
      
      Maybe we should start with the fact that the WEF has nothing to do with a paper on sex ed guidelines produced by the European research arm of the World Health Organisation (but it’s a clue as to the lack of reliability of the Conservative Woman website and its sources).
      
      Did you read the paper Clan? I suspect you did not because it does absolutely none of what you repeated without questioning.
      
      Here you go: https://www.bzga-whocc.de/en/publications/standards-for-sexuality-education/
      
      Some may wish to live in a delusional bubble where kids aren’t running around learning about peepees and butts from each other but the fact is that they are and teaching basics about the human body is wholly appropriate.
      
      I also note that it doesn’t appear to suggest any of what you claim about pedophilia. It doesn’t even mention it, in fact. However, it does provide guidelines for telling kids about what bad behaviour is and to go to a parent or trusted person to tell them if something happens.
      
      I’m not even going to address the lunatic theory on slavery, as it is so clearly a bit of racist fear porn.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:26am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s a mistake. They mixed up WEF and WHO, mind you they are as bad as each other and part of the same agenda, so not such a big mistake as you seem to think it is. It’s all leading to the Agenda 2030 SDGs which Ardern is a huge fan of but which most people wouldn’t have a clue about.
        
        So yes, it should have said WHO, forget about that minor detail and let’s deal with the content.
        
        Batty, no I didn’t read the whole document. I watched the UK Column analysis of the document by Vanessa Beeley that was hyperlinked in the CW article. Beeley gave her opinion and referenced the parts of the document she found that were of concern. She posts the screenshots. I agree with her analysis of the document.
        
        Batty I advise you to watch the analysis and tell me which part is wrong and why.
        I found the language used to be horrific. Especially in reference to children 0-4 and 4-6.
        
        I would ask anyone curious about this and Batty’s comments to reread the post and in particular, go to the link at the UK Column website, watch the piece and make your own mind up. I’ll apologise if they got it wrong.
        
        Here’s a link. The piece referred to starts at 23:09.
        
        The WHO’s Sexualisation of Infants
        
        https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-26th-august-2022
        
        The segment is around 15 minutes and well worht watching. It will clearly put all of the Conservative Woman article comments into context.
        
        These people, WHO, WEF, UN, are trying to take over the upbringing of our children. They are actively removing parents from the process.
        
        As for the “lunatic theory on slavery”. What planet are you living on? What they are referencing is, like pretty much everything the WHO and WEF are doing, publicly available from the sources themselves.
        You understand what the gig economy is? What is it if not slavery? You come across as a liberal/lefty. Watch Ken Loach’s “Sorry We Missed You”.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLUtpofpBg
        
        Who mines for the lithium for the Greenies wank electric car batteries? Child slaves.
        Slavery is here and it is getting worse. Your dismissal of it is meaningless.
        
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        September 6, 2022 2:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Thatcher, much as I disliked her, was a skilled politician. Chucky Truss is a clown. Her “flinty” approach in baiting and aggressively attacking Russia may well lead the world into a thermonuclear war.
  This isn’t Thatcher v Pinochet who sent their young to war as a popularity boost when both of them were floundering in the polls.
  Truss has zero understanding of the reality of the situation, is obviously clueless regarding diplomacy and statesmanship and resembles a poodle barking at a pitbull.
  
  The “turbulent times” are, like covid outcomes, completely self inflicted and were completely avoidable. Chucky also features on the WEF website. Quelle surprise.
  
  https://www.weforum.org/people/liz-truss
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:52am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Thatcher v Galtieri. Pinochet of Chile actually assisted the UK during the Campaign. There was an Intelligence vessel moored up in the Patagonian Passage in Chile.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:05am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      fightingtemeraire – My apologies, of course it was Galtieri. I’m a huge fan of Roger Waters and on one of his best albums, “The Final Cut”, Galtieri and Thatcher get a mention.
      
      Brezhnev took Afghanistan
      Begin took Beirut
      Galtieri took the Union Jack
      And Maggie, over lunch one day
      Took a cruiser with all hands
      Apparently, to make him give it back
      
      Momentary slip of the brain. Of course Pinochet was the fascist dictator who Thatcher and the UK supported.
      
      https://www.globalresearch.ca/thatchers-tyrants-the-tanks-the-guns-the-christmas-cards/5331905
      
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      September 6, 2022 10:19am
      - Cassandra
        
        Pinochet stopped Chile’s slide into totalitarianism on the left. For all his many and grievous faults his actions created the wealthy country Chile is today, with its progressive government.
        
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        September 6, 2022 11:23am
      - Batman
        
        Pinochet merely introduced the version of totalitarianism from the other side of the fence, Cassandra. Hardly anything to cheer about.
        
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        September 6, 2022 11:28am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Punta Arenus ?
      
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      September 6, 2022 1:56pm
  - mogg
    
    So you prefer appeasement, when has that been successful? Have you ever heard of the NATO Alliance, the Donbas has shown that Putin is deluded if you think he is a pitbull you need to think again. If you search on YouTube there are vids of an OAP bringing down $million Russian drones with an old WW11 rifle. If Putin attacks NATO country with conventional or nuclear he will be taking a quick exit to eternity, and he knows it. Remember your ‘thermonuclear’war is a two way street, and Putin is not that stupid.
    
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    September 6, 2022 3:07pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      mogg – read what I said again. Relative to the UK and Liz Truss, Putin is a pitbull. Not so much against all of NATO who sadly, are little more than proxies for the US to do their dirty work for them.
      I’d love to see that video of a pensioner taking on a Russian drone, I’m sure it’s totally legitimate…….
      
      I agree that both sides want to avoid nuclear war, but the turmoil we are witnessing means that in the heat of the moment a mistake could be made and the problem is, once the trigger is pulled it may be all over. No second chances.
      Diplomacy is not the same as appeasement. Apparently there was a peace deal acceptable to Russia and Ukraine on the table in April, but Bojo the Clown from the UK scuppered it,
      
      https://dailysceptic.org/2022/09/01/did-boris-scuttle-talks-between-ukraine-and-russia/
      
      That’s if you can believe that the UK acted alone on this. If you do I have a number of bridges for sale for you to choose from.
      
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      September 7, 2022 7:58am
- MCōs
  
  The Times referring to Liz Truss’s ‘considerable political experience’ is kind of ironic considering some of that experience was gained in another political party. Some of her previous speeches are entirely different to her current pronouncements.
  This is what she’s now faced with.
  The UK in free fall.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:55am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It really is. Truss is a political lite weight trying to reinvent the Thatcher aura. She has none of the depth of character or personality that Thatcher had. Another vacuous pretender who will achieve very little.
    I really feel for the family and friends I have in the UK. I thought we had it bad, but this coming winter over there may be horrific.
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:21am
  - MCōs
    
    People weep & wail about the situation here as if every else is just hunky dory
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/05/opinion/liz-truss-prime-minister-inflation.html
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:57am
Simon

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern unveiled her new Cabinet and ministerial team on Monday and it is New Zealand’s most diverse group ever.
“Obviously, Māoridom has been wanting representation for 160-odd years, so we’re very pleased,

“We are very proud to be here representing Māori and as you can see our portfolios are very diverse,” Davis added.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-new-zealand-s-most-diverse-cabinet-ever.html

The Ardern administration has finally confirmed — were confirmation required — that it is the most incompetent New Zealand Government in living memory, and perhaps ever.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-times-up-for-most-inept-government-ever/KR3WPECJ7W3UWEECPRXUDMMVNE/

Coincidence? Or promotion based on race not merit.
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September 6, 2022 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  New Zealanders shouldn’t fall for these distractions.
  
  Focus only on Labour’s results. Only the results.
  
  Everything else is a deliberate smoke-screen to divert our attention from their risible performance.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:37am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Davis??? Who’s that?
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:37am
  - pdm
    
    Davis is the man who is emptying our jails of hardened criminals.
    
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    September 6, 2022 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Special K
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:33am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Kelvinator the ice man.
      
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      September 6, 2022 10:36am
- slightlyrighty
  
  You are aware that your first News Link dates from 2 years ago?
  
  Of course, the subsequent 2 years just amplifys Hootens point
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:01am
Blog-aholic

I see that the new gang crack down has already been labelled racist by the obvious cohorts….. I think one day very soon the race card is going to wear thin as it really is overplayed and mainly by folk who can also be quite racist too.
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September 6, 2022 8:14am
- Swifty
  
  I look forward to a New Zealand where people who shout ‘racism’ without any evidence whatsoever, or where there is evidence to the contrary are regarded with the same contempt as people who actually are racist.
  
  At the moment in NZ there are many, many people who would qualify.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Racist” is also used when the debate crashes and they have no more arguments
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:36am
  - alloytoo
    
    If someone is persistently shouting “Racist”, they’re generally advertising that fact about themselves.
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:36am
    - Unity
      
      For me, anything that is based on race is racist. Surely!! We should all just be ‘people’ or ‘citizens of New Zealand’ with no mention of race.
      
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      September 6, 2022 1:17pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes, but if say something happens and you can play the race card for an advantage, then it will be used.
        When you don’t get what you want you throw a tantrum! Call everyone a racist and stamp your feet!
        
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        September 6, 2022 3:23pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Didn’t “racism” originally mean a belief in the existence of different human races? Recognising their humanity, even if deemed “inferior”, was actually a step up from believing some races were not even human. (I believe there is only one race, the human race, but tribalism and ethnic affiliation remain powerful forces culturally.)
        
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        September 6, 2022 5:06pm
- kowtow
  
  Not to the growing “virtue signal” demographic.
  
  See last night’s poll.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:52am
Tony Stuart

Former Labour Party president Nigel Haworth has become rather active on Twitter lately. He is both an attacker of anything National says or does, and a defender and apologist for Labour. He’s posted this today:

Nigel Haworth @NigelHaworth3
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National’s concern for emergency housing in Rotorua would be laughable were it not so cynical. Does anyone think National has any commitment to an effective housing policy? John Key’s government ignored the issue.

https://twitter.com/NigelHaworth3/status/1566860634989273088

The trouble for Dr Haworth is that Labour has almost been in government for five years. In that time, the emergency housing waiting list has gone from around 5000 to over 27,000, the cost of putting people up in motels has risen from $80,000/day in 2017 to $1.1 million/day now, and just a couple of weeks ago, there was a story that the number of kids living in cars had risen by 350% since Labour took office.

People like Haworth, and the Labour Party themselves, need to own this problem. If they can’t achieve change in five years, why would we want to give them another three?
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September 6, 2022 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So Haworth thinks it is acceptable to house a family in a unit without a functioning oven.
  
  That would be illegal in any private renting scenario, but not when taxpayers are paying for it, it seems.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:27am
  - dubya
    
    The problem with Labour is it thinks a family can successfully exist, without a functioning family unit. Intergenerational welfare excess will kill this country.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    The Government also exempted itself from the standards private rental providers have to meet. When I was growing up leaders set examples rather than do as I say not as I do.
    
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    September 6, 2022 12:11pm
- Swifty
  
  In response to Dr Haworth, I would consider any party more capable than Labour in this or any other matter.
  
  Listen to what the man is saying “Yes, I know we’re crap but I want you to think other parties are even more crap….”
  
  Still, when you’ve got no achievements to point to I guess this is all you’re left with.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You got it – look over there, a squirrel
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:38am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    It is indeed all they’ve got; they cannot campaign on their own record in the forthcoming election, since there are literally no positive stories to tell about that, so they can only campaign on pinning the blame on National’s time in government.
    
    So how do National play that? Argue that actually they did pretty well in their time in government; focus on Labour’s record in government; or look forward and claim that they’ll sort it out? What’s likely to play best in response to backward-looking negativity?
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:23am
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum was fuming this morning.
Been a contributor to ‘Charity St John’ for years.
Now she was saying they’ve just rebranded to HATO HONE ST. JOHN

They were always crying poormouth she reckons. But can find money for this sort of shite. Go woke – Go broke.
That’ll be the last they see from her.
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September 6, 2022 8:22am
- pdm
  
  MP – good thinking by the MIL
  
  I am pretty sure the Hato Hone bit means Hone Harawira (aka John Hatfield) gets a cut of e very donation.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder what percentage of donations they receive from Maori as opposed to Europeans?
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:07am
    - mogg
      
      My wife is regular at the local Anglican Church. Recent change to new female minister and it’s all about Māori names and values = no more $ donations or offerings . ‘Get woke go broke’
      
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      September 6, 2022 2:14pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What problem is St John seeking to fix by renaming itself “Hato Hone St John”?
  What problems could this rebranding cause?
  
  It’s a popular trend for long-established organizations to adopt a bilingual name (with Te Reo coming first).
  
  What advantages does this bring?
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:58am
  - Gravelroad
    
    “What advantages does this bring?”
    More free funding from the government.
    Anything with Te Reo in its branding will be first in line for sympathetic unquestioning media attention.
    Promotes the intended agenda of separation.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Be a good idea to keep the annual sub though. $90 for family of 4 verses single callout for non member is $98
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:41am
  - yobi
    
    The callout fee is still only a donation, they won’t chase you for it. Also paying the $90 a year is supporting a charity that has an abusive culture in its management and not ensuring poor preforming staff get the training they need or shown the doo.
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:09am
    - Don Beckett
      
      They’ll get no more support from me after laying off two of my friends – both highly competent paramedics – because they refused to take the jab.
      That’s even if I need their services.
      
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      September 6, 2022 10:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If they stop you from dying money does not matter.
      
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      September 6, 2022 10:52am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, as usual it is not the dedicated staff who respond to emergency calls, it is the top brass. However if I have any goods to donate it will be to a Hospice store because it appears St John has money to waste on re-branding.
  
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  September 6, 2022 10:03am
  - Batman
    
    They probably paid $250 koha to a translator or their local iwi.
    
    Their branding is likely done internally and changed as replacement material is needed. So a nil cost.
    
    It’s quite amusing watching the triggered snowflake responses to every little bit of Te Reo being introduced.
    
    Kia pai to ra!
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:37am
    - Yabster
      
      “triggered” , “snowflake”- you talk some crap batty- and you are amused by some weird things – but good luck to you.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:47am
    - Matt Long
      
      I doubt your cost estimate Batty, my experience with rebranding exercises is that they cost millions.
      
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      September 6, 2022 12:15pm
      - Yabster
        
        Batty guesses about alot of things he knows nothing about- business as usual.
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:57pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      the term snowflake you’ve used incorrectly.
      
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      September 6, 2022 2:08pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Welcome back from holiday Batty. Its been quite lacking in Biden support with you away on holiday!
      
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      September 6, 2022 2:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My guess is Batman has been to New York to lay out the ground rules for Jaspinda’s arrival on Sept 17.
        No red carpet this time either PTPM.
        
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        September 6, 2022 3:28pm
Tomtoddy

I have never been a fan of Roy Morgan polls but yesterday’s results do confirm something of great concern. It is apparent in all recent polls.

There is a slow but obvious trend away from Labour. Most of it is toward National but not all by a long chalk. Trends are really the only value of polling. There is confusion among those wanting to leave Labour.

More importantly the polls show a strong, welded on support for Jacinda and Labour. For a government that is so incompetent and so unable to deliver 35% support is something of a miracle. It ought to focus minds acutely.

I suggest it shows:
a. Feelings are more important than facts these days. No amount of logic and hard evidence will shake those who believe Jacinda is kind and saved them.
b. The education system and the media have done a much better job at brainwashing the younger generation than some of us realised.
c. Older white pollies like Luxon, Willis, even Seymour do not know how to talk to younger voters. They are not listening anyway.
d. As an oldie myself I fall into the trap of thinking policies win elections. They may have 30 – 50 years ago. It is something else – X or Y factors these days.
e. It may well be a very close election once again determined by a minor party.

I certainly do not have the answers. National must make better progress in middle NZ. That will offend a bunch of us here on KB. Robertson will be cramming lollies into a bag ready for the election campaign and that will become a big factor. Rural NZ needs to get its act together and figure out how to get best bangs for its buck. It screwed up last election. What else??
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September 6, 2022 8:31am
- pdm
  
  TT – If they Maori Party are really at 5% (I doubt that) surely the only place they could take about 3% from is Labour yet the poll does not reflect that.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:43am
- westernScientist
  
  If you look at the demographic breakdowns from the last couple polls, its not much to do with age. Labour support base is age 50+ females, greens are 18-49 females. Nats and ACT dont have particularly big differences by age in males.
  
  The divide is much stronger across gender than across age group.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:59am
- kowtow
  
  Looking at the demographics for that poll I suspect an awful lot of the young women who are “welded on” to Labour are not actual voters who’ll make the effort to go to the polls on the day .
  
  Another factor is I suspect their support is for the Ardern phenomenon ( pure imagery) rather than Labour as such . AS you say how the hell anyone in their right mind could support this bunch of un performing muppets is beyond rationality.
  
  Without Ardern I think they’d be back to 25 % . What does that say about the 10 % who support the Empty Dress .
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:00am
- Yabster
  
  and thats why the left want the voting age dropped to 16.
  
  I have no idea why Labour get such support amongst the majority of woman? Its like the vote for cindy because she appears kind etc are they not paying attention?
  
  National/ACT need to step up their game around media and realise if they already haven’t it will get worse next year- whats the plan to get around Stuff/NZ Herald?
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:14am
- nathie
  
  Where I work many of them are left leaning (men and women).
  
  The interesting thing is, and particularly the women, they have lost faith in both Labour and Jacinda (because Labour isn’t delivering, the cost of living is getting worse and they can now see through Jacinda’s spin pretending all is well etc).
  
  The other interesting thing is, they seem to be a bit lost at the moment (as in “who should we now vote for? As won’t vote Labour again” etc), but are stating to notice National and ACT’s messaging (on the economy, crime, not promoting people solely on race etc).
  
  So I guess these people are a representation of the fickle middle ground and National (and ACT) need to continue to appear “reasonable” (and emphasise the issues that matter to the middle, and hopefully they will be won over during 2023 as Labour’s incompetence and messes get bigger, more noticeable and more frustrating!
  
  Remember these people aren’t “belt-way tragics” like us, they only follow politics at a superficial level.
  
  But they see Labour wasting money and throwing it around to special interest groups and projects, all whilst these people contend with increasing costs to support themselves and their own families.
  
  If Bob Jones is correct, Labour will be routed and it will be of their own doing.
  
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  September 6, 2022 10:21am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Nathie, like you I have found a number of women who have lost faith in Labour.
    So that latest poll was a disappointment to me. Maybe I am not mixing with a wide part of society. Almost all people I mix with are employed in the private sector.
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:56am
ClanMcleod

Serious Vaccine Side-Effects Covered Up by Israeli Government, Leaked Video Reveals

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/09/04/serious-vaccine-side-effects-covered-up-by-israeli-government-leaked-video-reveals/

It has been undeniable for a while now, that these vaccines are causing far more harm than good.

Leaving the other moronic interventions to one side, it is obvious that this experiment has failed dramatically. It needs to be stopped immediately. Why is this government still pushing people to take these shots? Particularly young children who are at zero risk from covid. Why put them at risk?

Why is the health sector ignoring this evidence from overseas and now in NZ that these vaccines are causing deaths and injuries? Why are politicians and media collectively ignoring this factual evidence?

And in that regard and with note to the polls released last night showing a Labour/Green/Maori coalition could win the next election. They are the most draconian and zealous drivers of this failed experiment and the moronic mandates and lockdowns imposed on the population. Where is the opposition? Does Bishop still advocate door to door vaccinations? Do National want to hold on to lockdowns and masking “just in case”?
A few staunch National supporters keep trying to tell us they are opposed to “something” and we have to give them our support to get rid of Ardern.
I’m not hearing that message. Bishop is refusing to answer emails. The Greens are refusing to answer emails.

I don’t know where the National Party stands on all of this. I’ve been to their website, I’ve read their policy section. I can see nothing regarding their position on covid, vaccines, masks, lockdowns etc.

What is the National Party position?
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September 6, 2022 8:32am
- Matt Long
  
  National know that the more positions they publicly take the more likely they are to offend another sector of society, so they’re careful to say and do as little as possible.
  
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  September 6, 2022 12:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Easier to let Labour keep digging their own hole.
    Never stop your enemy making mistake.
    
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    September 6, 2022 4:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Don Brash expresses his view of the 3-Waters steal:

But then to hand effective control of those assets to tribal groups up and down the country is almost beyond belief: it is a full frontal assault on any concept of democracy.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-confiscation-of-water-infrastructure-should-by-itself-get-govt-thrown-from-office-in-2023
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September 6, 2022 8:40am
- Blog-aholic
  
  He, like Graham Adams has nailed that horrid legislative action to the wall.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:42am
- Nickc2
  
  3Waters is legalised theft, pure and simple.
  Nobody owns water despite Maori beliefs. Water infrastructure belongs to the people who paid for it and as such, confiscating it by anybody for whatever reason is theft.
  End of sermon.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:43am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Nobody owns water
    
    And yet we have these “water rights” – pretty much handed out for nothing on a first-come-first-served basis a long time ago. So if a farmer has a water right and if his neighbour wants some more it’s too bad. Bears some resemblance to “ownership” ….
    
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    September 6, 2022 5:15pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW-
  The trouble is, Three Waters means stuff all to most people. They don’t care about it because they don’t think it will affect them ( so long as water keeps coming out of the tap and going down the plug hole).
  What it needs is for some non-Labour Party person who knows what they are talking about, to step up and say : once Three Waters is in place every household will be paying extra for the water used.
  End of.
  That might make people think again.
  Not much else will.
  
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  September 6, 2022 6:44pm
Surely Knott

Fat Fascists that don’t want a fight. Auckland Uni Student now Stuff Reporter goes undercover and finds that Action Zealandia are “unfit”, “ill-disciplined” and “wary of committing violence”.
Lol.

If only we could find some groups in NZ that are organised and committing violence to infiltrate and report on. Perhaps look for the ones with swastikas on their heads that shoot people in parks and suburban neighbourhoods
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September 6, 2022 8:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Sadly for media and unhinged left there is a great dearth of actual white supremacists, nazis or racists for them to hunt and burn so they have work overtime to invent them and falsely label normal people as such to keep themselves in the spotlight.
  
  They are truly exactly the same as witch hunters of old – or Joe McCarthy’s communist hunts.
  
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  September 6, 2022 10:23am
  - Batman
    
    In what way are the action zealandia members normal?
    
    They’re a bunch of racist, sexist and homophobic basement dwellers who are mad that their sparkling personalities (see above) don’t attract women, and instead of considering it might be them, they blame everyone else.
    
    I’m sure you wouldn’t be a member, Neo, but your comment could be construed as a slightly awkward defence of them.
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:41am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I dont know anything about this group but your comments are highly defamatory.
      Do you have any evidence to support your accusations?
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:45am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Don’t be silly. Batty doesn’t do evidence. Ever. Smears and ad hominem are the go to.
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:34pm
    - Taieri
      
      They’re a bunch of racist, sexist and homophobic basement dwellers who are mad
      ————–
      
      How do you know all that?
      
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      September 6, 2022 12:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Four hours and no reply. How ’bout that?
        
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        September 6, 2022 4:19pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I thought Action Zealandia did the weeding at the bird sanctuary!
  
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  September 6, 2022 7:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump. Special Master.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62799425.amp

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/four-key-takeaways-from-judge-cannons-order-granting-trump-special-master/ar-AA11uJj8

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-23/what-is-a-special-master-why-does-trump-want-one-mar-a-lago-raid/101359986

Do not play Poker with this Man.
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September 6, 2022 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What the MSM are not saying is interesting. 3 to 4 months ago the FBI were at Mar a Lago, questioning the de-classified documents. Trump said to them, if there is anything here that you think should not be here, then please take them. They took nothing. (Maybe they planted some then, who knows)
  FBI also said the security room was not secure enough and requested another lock on the door. The very same locks that were smashed in when Trump was not there.
  Now the latest photo is suspected to be set up. Box of Time Magazines, a tape measure and a few other things that really should not be there. A hasty setup done by people with no clue.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:59am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, indeed. And the folders are the wrong type. The FBI aren’t what they used to be. What would Elliott Ness think?
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:10am
    - Batman
      
      On fact, Steve O is telling a whopper of a fib there
      
      The fact of the case is that Trump’s lawyer, former OAN personality Christina Bobb, signed a document stating all materials had been handed over. While also specifically blocking access to some cartons/boxes.
      
      What Trump now claims to have done “take what you want” etc is actually immaterial because there is no record of that occuring, it’s a red herring designed to make you guys repeat the lie that he was being helpful.
      
      Either Bobb is now in serious trouble for lying, or she flips and tells them she was instructed by her client that all documents were supplied and was acting on that instruction.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:52am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Here is a link supporting SteveO’s comment. I have no knowledge of the reliability of Redstate, but it is what it is – you may dispute the report, your prerogative.
        https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/08/11/why-did-the-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-after-trump-extensively-cooperated-with-grand-jury-ordered-search-n610645
        
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        September 6, 2022 12:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ““take what you want” etc is actually immaterial because there is no record of that occuring, it’s a red herring designed to make you guys repeat the lie that he was being helpful.”
        So when and if that happened, do you think CNN or any MSM were there to cover all of that? in Mar a Lago?
        Batman – ‘no record’ is the key thing, as if you expected some MSM to let the World know?
        Very tiring – these diversions.
        
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        September 6, 2022 4:25pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yes Judge Aileen Cannon has ruled to grant Donald J. Trump’s request for a Special Master to thoroughly and exhaustively review the seized property taken from Mar A Lago and compare it with the granted Search Warrant and property list from the DOJ.
  
  Judge Cannon establishes the scope of the Special Master’s [SM’s] forthcoming investigation into the FBI’s raid of Mar A Lago [MAL]
  
  1. Review the seized property for personal items, privileged material due to attorney/client relationship or executive privliege
  
  2. This is going to entail the SM establishing the actual parameters of the search warrant and seeing if the raid team exceeded it and took items it should not have taken
  
  Also note this section: “…the Court also temporarily enjoins the Government from reviewing and using the seized materials for investigative purposes pending completion of the Special Master’s review or further Court order.”
  
  Therefore the DOJ/FBI can’t use anything seized in the MAL raid to develop any case/s against Trump or his associates until the Special Master is done and issues his/her final report.
  
  If the goal was to charge Trump before the midterms, they’re stuck now. They can’t make a move using any of the stuff they grabbed during the MAL raid until the Special Master’s investigation has concluded.
  
  And hey…who knows when that will be? One month from now? Six months from now? A year?
  
  🤔😆😅😂
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    To isolate anything happening before the midterms was very clever. Probably lawyers advice, but Trump will be asking a lot of questions to decide the best path.
    I can see the FBI going for a skate, remembering that the basic FBI person is OK, but the corruption is at the elite top. Bit like the Democrats really.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:50am
    - Batman
      
      Steve this is hilarious. You really think Trump is masterminding this? I mean, of course you do but he has made it far worse for himself and essentially admitted that he had the documents (by trying to make it about them being on the floor as opposed to in a box). He continues to be his own worst enemy and has been given a small reprieve by a judge he appointed despite her lack of experience or credentials.
      
      The judge basically made the argument for his legal team based off the silly notion that there’s executive privilege at play (there is not). It may well be appealed pretty quickly.
      
      This will indeed delay the investigation but achieve nothing more than that. Trump is still walking towards an indictment for what is the largest theft of classified material in the last decade.
      
      Remember, Reality Winner stole one (1) document and was jailed immediately then sentenced to four years in prison.
      
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      September 6, 2022 11:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        Reality Winner didn’t have the power of the POTUS to have or declassify documents.
        
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        September 6, 2022 11:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “Probably lawyers advice, but Trump will be asking a lot of questions to decide the best path.”
        So that is masterminding?
        Documents on the floor when Trump was not even there? Time magazines, tape measure. So Trump just left that on the floor and went to New York?
        Saw my fucking cock off. You may leave shit all over the floor and leave. It was timed for Trump not being there.
        Het Batman, maybe this is the big plan from Trump.
        Welcome back from your reprogramming with Mike et all. We notice when certain people are not on this blog.
        🙂
        
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        September 6, 2022 4:36pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Steve,
        
        The photo with the documents on the floor is standard search procedure. No one is suggesting Trump left them on the floor like that.
        
        The FBI laid them out on the floor to photograph them as proof that this is what they found. You’ll see in that photo there’s a card with “2A” on it. That is a reference to item 2A on the search inventory.
        
        I suspect the reason for photographing the documents on the floor is that Trump’s office has distinctive carpet, so that is to show that is the location where those particular documents were found.
        
        Note that the FBI agents would have been wearing body-cams that would have been recording the whole time they were onsite. Those recordings would be part of the discovery info if/when any charges are laid. So the “the FBI planted the documents” argument is a dog that won’t hunt.
        
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        September 6, 2022 5:18pm
      - virtualmark
        
        nickc2,
        
        Whether the documents are classified or not is a red herring. The Espionage Act doesn’t refer to classification (it’s WW1 era legislation and pre-dates the introduction of classification, which was WW2). It is simply based on “national defence information”.
        
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        September 6, 2022 5:36pm
- virtualmark
  
  The Judge’s ruling is so bad that it will almost certainly be overturned on appeal. The DoJ will either seek a re-statement or will appeal it.
  
  For those of you who are a bit puzzled by the legal principles here … imagine someone steals your car. The cops get it back, but the thief sues to keep it because “finders keepers”. So then a judge appoints a person to inspect the car for the thief’s belongings because if he left anything it’s his.
  
  Either way (whether there’s a Special Master or not) it won’t change the outcome. The Special Master is just there to evaluate whether any of Trump’s private documents (say, medical records) are mixed up in the documents recovered in the search. Any private documents wouldn’t figure in an indictment anyway. This is just a “litigate to delay” play.
  
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  September 6, 2022 4:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “delay” is the plan. It is all about the midterms
    
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    September 6, 2022 5:22pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I suspect Trump will be indicted, and it will be after the midterms but before the end of the year. (No specific insight obviously, but just seems the sensible scenario).
      
      But … if DoJ/FBI were to believe Trump has yet further classified documents, or was going to pass info to a third-party then I think he’d be indicted immediately.
      
      I also suspect his Secret Service detail are under instructions to not let him out of their sight, as he is possibly considered a flight risk.
      
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      September 6, 2022 5:34pm
kevn

@Clan… Strangely enough the UK NHS are busy pushing the new flavour virtually un-tested jabs from Moderna and Pfizer.
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September 6, 2022 8:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  @kevn – cheers, yes. I’ve just been watching the latest episode of UK Column and they discussed the upcoming vaccination schedules, including the combination vaccine.
  Anyone taking these jabs voluntarily is either completely incapable of independent thought or are unable to comprehend what is now readily available evidence that these things do more harm than good.
  
  The only other option is they are victims of mass formation and need similar psychological help as victims of other cults require. Astonishing times we are living in.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:02am
  - alloytoo
    
    Given the high level of Omicron infection this year, a vast majority of people will have some level of superior natural immunity.
    
    In theory one could temporally boost that natural immunity by getting a booster, but at what risk?
    
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    September 6, 2022 12:47pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Actually, there is some evidence to support that the booster may actually reduce natural immunity.
      I wouldn’t touch the fake vax or boosters with a barge pole.
      
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      September 6, 2022 1:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Natural immunity or not, you must take your jabs.
      JA.
      Now don’t take the jabs and you will be far better health wise. – but we must never lose control.
      JA, Foxtrot Oscar
      
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      September 6, 2022 4:41pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s a link to UK Column’s latest episode. Well worth checking out, as is the whole UK Column website.
  
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-5th-september-2022
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kevn – I just read this article in Conservative Woman which discusses the subject and has some very useful information.
  
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-new-vaccine-dash-and-the-letter-we-should-all-send-to-our-gps/
  
  Also, note that GPs are getting paid 125 pounds for every jab they manage to stick in someone’s arm. They are targeting those in aged care first. This is an obscenity.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    GPs will pick on the meek and mild who are incapable of asking any important questions about Covid.
    
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    September 6, 2022 9:54am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      SO – that’s the concern isn’t it? People will say “they wouldn’t do that!”
      
      Yes they would.
      
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      September 6, 2022 10:26am
Yvette

Chile votes overwhelmingly to reject new, progressive constitution
With 96% of the ballots counted, the rejection camp has 62% and the approve team accept defeat in bid to replace Pinochet-era settlement
Many criticised the document’s guarantees for Indigenous people, which they said would divide Chile. Others warned that the shakeup of the political system was unnecessary and experimental.

A computer search for the word “Chile” registered no hits this morning on –
The Herald website home page, RNZ, stuff, Newshub, 1-News and no wonder.
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September 6, 2022 9:01am
Warren

The Government, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Police Minister and Education Minister Chris Hipkins decide to unload millions of Taxpayers dollars to educate young people on why involvement in crime doesn’t pay.
This is the same old policy and story for a tired out of there depth Labour Government whose only answer over the years they have held power is to through millions at the problem and it will fix itself, it hasn’t worked then and it certainly won’t work now.
You only have to go back six or seven months ago when Jacinda Ardern and her Government threw 50 odd million at the mongrel mob and has it worked now, I and many others doubt it , but this Government thinks gangs and criminals are honest so keeps throwing hard working Kiwi’s money at a problem they have tried to fix many times before.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/474204/government-package-extends-education-employment-programmes-to-more-at-risk-youth
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September 6, 2022 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Kahukura $2.75M.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:59am
Swifty

Headlines I’d like to see:

“Labour at it again! Crony-capitalists demand New Zealand families fund their private interests; Nash willingly obliges!”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/474211/15-point-7m-for-space-initiatives-speedy-delivery-crucial-sector-leaders-say
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September 6, 2022 9:27am
ClanMcleod

More evidence of vaccine damage.

“ONE consequence of the appalling rush to market with experimental and largely untested Covid vaccines is a growing scepticism about vaccine safety in general. Now that NHS propaganda proclaiming the jabs ‘safe and effective’ is clearly false (see for example here and here), other mass inoculations are coming under increasing scrutiny.”

The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

The more you jab the sicker you get.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-more-you-jab-the-sicker-you-get/
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September 6, 2022 9:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s becoming clearer and clearer that the vaccine did and is causing a lot of damage to a significant proportion of those that take it. But Big Pharma/Big Tech/political cabal is still trying to keep it quiet by pulling strings on censorship and firing dissenters as it has during last 2 years:
  https://rescue.substack.com/p/people-are-dying-dont-ask-dont-tell?r=iutjw&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:48am
Ehlana

The gifted name for the new railway station at Aotea Square is Te Wai Horotiu. I associate Horotiu with the meatworks outside Hamilton. Most New Zealanders probably do.
On the basis that the word has some meaning, I used google translate. Horotiu translates as condom, Te Wai Horotiu means sterile water.
Submissions are currently being accepted on these “proposed” names. I wonder if it’s worth pointing out that naming a station something that translates as condom might not be the best idea.
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September 6, 2022 9:42am
- kowtow
  
  The “gifted’ tactic is brilliant.
  
  In our culture rejecting a gift is rude . This is yet another sneaky strategy to by pass local wishes .
  
  Classic one was the Otago Settlers Museum . They canvassed opinions and overwhelmingly people wanted the staus quo . But someone came up with the gift of ‘Toitu’ , and so it was.
  
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  September 6, 2022 10:18am
  - Ehlana
    
    True kowtow. But it is equally true that in our culture, a gift is defined as something given voluntarily and willing, without payment. I sincerely doubt that we have not made any payment towards them.
    
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    September 6, 2022 10:44am
- MCōs
  
  “Most New Zealanders probably do.”
  Never heard of it.
  
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  September 6, 2022 11:05am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I have – well known place.
    
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    September 6, 2022 12:35pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Given your age, I’m surprised. Horotiu & the Dairy works at TeRapa were the signals that Hamilton was near.
    
    Silly question of science & logic, how do Maori TeReo enthusiasts know that there was a word for sterile water, an unknown concept among pre Pakeha Maori?
    
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    September 6, 2022 2:55pm
    - RalphT
      
      Or, going the other way, that you were safely out of Hamilton.
      
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      September 6, 2022 4:10pm
- MCōs
  
  The Te Waihorotiu Station is named after a stream of that name that flowed through that area and was filled in by the early pakeha settlers who needed to bung up a whole lot of souvenir shops.
  
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  September 6, 2022 11:19am
  - Batman
    
    MCos your answer is not offensive enough and doesn’t feed into the narrative that all things Maori are silly.
    
    Please try again and this time, don’t use any facts.
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:56am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yes MCos, take Batmans advice. He is an expert on not using facts
      
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      September 6, 2022 1:45pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Name it for a water course that no longer exists, and presumably now underground/drained, rather than ‘bunged up’.
    The rest of your comment is silly.
    
    Why not name a stop for the common-use placename (Maori or otherwise) for where that stop is made?
    I think overseas visitors, or even out of town visitors, aren’t going to be helped with the impracticalities of manawhenua presumably wanting to memoralise a stream that is no longer a reality.
    Seems detrimental to the purpose of the exercise, which seems to be a theme of late in most things the public purses pays for.
    Not an ‘anti-Maori’ thing, but just cynical about a fashion that seems far from pragmatic.
    
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    September 6, 2022 12:20pm
  - KH
    
    Mcos. The Dunedin Early Settlers Museum was named that because the actual early settlers formed an association, built it, paid for it an ran it.
    It was their base where they kept their records of who came on what ship etc. Quite a big outfit. With all the usual museum relics all the walls were covered with photographs of the old people who came on the great adventure.
    Renaming it a maori name was an aggressive obliteration of their settler culture and history. Disgusting in my view.
    
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    September 6, 2022 2:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      Why are you telling me that?
      
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      September 6, 2022 2:36pm
      - KH
        
        You needed to know Mcos.
        
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        September 6, 2022 8:08pm
- greybeard
  
  Anyone know what maori used as condoms pre-European arrival?
  Did they in fact use birth control at all?
  
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  September 6, 2022 3:07pm
- Ghost
  
  pūkoro ure Is condom.
  
  Instead of posting crap that doesn’t mean what you claim it does go and read what the name means
  
  https://www.cityraillink.co.nz/crl-stations-midtown
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:24pm
Ghost

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/govt-s-new-youth-crime-package-ramraiders-under-14yo-in-counties-manukau-west-auckland-to-be-referred-to-social-wellbeing-board.html

In addition, all children aged under 14 years old caught ramraiding in Counties Manukau or west Auckland would be referred to a “social wellbeing board” as part of a cross-agency intervention.

“Over the past four months, all children under the age of 14 who were apprehended as a result of a fleeing driver or ram raid or other serious offending in Counties Manukau have been referred to the board who can provide wrap-around support and refer them on to other programmes in order to steer them away from crime,” said Social Development (MSD) Minister Carmel Sepuloni. “As a result, three quarters have not reoffended.
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September 6, 2022 9:46am
- backster
  
  So inside 4 months 25% have already re-offended.
  
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  September 6, 2022 11:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  What’s the betting there are quite a few Fagin’s in Manukau these days? A Pakeha construct of course, so no fault of those copying the old Dickens’ character from Oliver Twist.
  
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  September 6, 2022 1:36pm
Yvette

As already pointed out above, Don Brash writes CONFISCATION OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BY ITSELF GET GOVT THROWN FROM OFFICE IN 2023
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-confiscation-of-water-infrastructure-should-by-itself-get-govt-thrown-from-office-in-2023

Don Brash points out –

… The appointment of the directors who will be responsible for the day-to-day operation of the entities is a convoluted process but it is explicitly provided in the legislation that the committees selecting the boards must have “knowledge of, and experience and expertise in relation to… the principles of te Tiriti o Waitangi/the Treaty of Waitangi; and perspectives of mana whenua, matauranga, tikanga and te ao Maori”. And that the directors must have similar expertise in matters Maori.

Added to this control of the boards of the four entities, only tribal groups will be entitled to issue so-called Te Mana o Te Wai statements to give those tribal groups effective control of any body of water in their territory. And to put the matter beyond any doubt, the Minister of Local Government, Nanaia Mahuta, has appointed her sister Tipa (who is already the co-chairman of the Maori Health Authority) as chair of the Maori Advisory Group which controls the water regulator Taumata Arowai.

However, IMHO, Don Brash fails to emphasise this last point, just above, and describe how Tipa Mahuta and the Maori Advisory Group control the water regulator Taumata Arowai which will control the directors who will be responsible for the day-to-day operation of the entities.

Does Don Brash actually realise that?

Does anyone commenting on “3 Waters” actually realise that?

And do they realise “Tipa Mahuta, as chair of the Maori Advisory Group which controls the water regulator Taumata Arowai”, have been established in their place since mid-November last year?

Why have a “national conversation of co-governance”, when Chieftainship already exists?
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September 6, 2022 9:50am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6g20XU9ONQ

Spot the Difference.

Trump rallies are slightly bigger than Biden rallies. Who knew?
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September 6, 2022 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep, slightly bigger, and they always will be.
  Dems just ignore the embarrassment
  
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  September 6, 2022 11:28am
  - Batman
    
    Yeah I mean, imagine equating rally size to political success or effectiveness.
    
    Remind us who is currently sitting in the Oval?
    
    The world is not dictated by how many boomers you can attract to a field or airport hanger to see a false prophet.
    
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    September 6, 2022 11:59am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Riiiigght. And Joe Biden is really effective, isn’t he – effective at shutting down the US. At least – love him or hate him – Trump did achieve a lot in office & got the USA up & running, unlike it is under Biden & his puppeteers.
      
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      September 6, 2022 12:39pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I think the term you’re looking for re the incumbent in the Oval Office is “propped up” – not “sitting”. Literally as well as figuratively. I doubt sleepy Joe is capable of doing very much without some caregiver’s attention or a load of very powerful pharmaceutical interventions.
      
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      September 6, 2022 1:39pm
    - Yabster
      
      Trump has support across all age groups- so your “Boomer” comments is not only incorrect but its childish- par for the course.
      
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      September 6, 2022 1:51pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1aiQQxudY
Minor problems in Czech Republic.
The EU sanctions are driving up energy prices. One or two people are a bit miffed. There was a small demo of 70,000 people recently. There is up to 20% inflation too. [5:13]
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September 6, 2022 10:14am
- rangitoto
  
  Trump warned the EU about over reliance on Russian oil and gas.
  
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  September 6, 2022 5:31pm
ClanMcleod

The jersey changing continues apace.

Oktoberfest
Erstwhile villain-of-the-blog Markus Söder says he personally plans to attend without a mask, takes a gratuitous shit on Karl Lauterbach.

Brazen political opportunist and Ministerpräsident of Bavaria Markus Söder, who will do or say literally anything to further his career, has at least the virtue of knowing whither the wind blows. He spent most of the pandemic subjecting Bavarians to the harshest containment measures in all of Germany, and he cancelled Oktoberfest not only in 2020, but also in 2021 – the first time since World War II that Munich was denied its annual festival of drunken debauchery.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/bavarian-governor-no-mask-mandates?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Is Cindy beginning to feel the hurricane blowing in her face? Is she going to move to “green”? Are all mandates getting ready to be ditched?
Of course, any decision she makes will be all about health……
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September 6, 2022 10:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Why are the left useless with Math? Whoever wrote this crap is an idiot, and press sec never batted an eyelid.
https://rumble.com/v1idtch-kjp-we-have-created-nearly-ten-thousand-million-jobs.html?
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September 6, 2022 10:59am
mogg

Nothing to fear from new poll, Labour are still intent on divisive policies, long term interest rates are still rising so more pain in the back pocket on it’s way.
Last week’s news of failure, blundering and dishonesty plain for all to see. “Things can only get better from here”, that is unless they continue to get worse. Most important of all is that Labour have abandoned the middle ground, it’s the swinging voter who thinks carefully about the issues and does not get sucked in by Jacinda visiting yet another kindy. The real Labour arrogance and idealism are now clearly on display, and it is a vote loser where it counts, ie in the middle.
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September 6, 2022 11:04am
- kowtow
  
  ‘it’s the swinging voter who thinks carefully about the issues and does not get sucked in by Jacinda visiting yet another kindy.’
  
  No , can’t agree with that at all.
  
  It’s the swinging voter who votes for ” a breath of fresh air “, a “new face” , “I’m fed up with the old lot and we need a change”
  
  Nothing to do with policy or thinking. All emotion and appearances .
  
  You can see that in the times and events that gives her a bounce in the polls .
  
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  September 6, 2022 1:01pm
  - mogg
    
    Yes and no.
    
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    September 6, 2022 3:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Went to both Pak ‘n Save and Countdown today. Refreshing to see so many customers maskless.
  So I joined them.
  
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  September 6, 2022 9:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bongino says what the FBI did to Trump was Tyranny. Bongino is ex SS, he has worked with the FBI before. Bongino left the Whitehouse because he saw the corruption first hand.
The FBI hierarchy are todays problem. Time to clean house.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=423223886347695
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September 6, 2022 12:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun: Knock knock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suALB0-JwcI
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September 6, 2022 12:38pm
Tony Stuart

It was only a matter of time before this happened:

New Zealand’s newly renamed health authority has been ordered to remove misleading multi-media advertisements about vaccinations against Covid-19.

The Advertising Standards Authority received 44 complaints on Te Whatu Ora/Health New Zealand advertisements which appeared across a range of media.

It included the text “Protect them for life. Immunise. COVID-19 vaccinations available for tamariki now”.

The Board said the advertisement was misleading because it implied if you vaccinate your child against COVID-19, this could protect them for life, meaning for the rest of their life.

The print advertisement shows four images of children interacting with parents/caregivers, a child being vaccinated, a father and child walking on the beach, a father and daughter doing a high five, and a mother giving a thumbs up to her son.

The advertisement includes the New Zealand Government and Ministry of Health logos.

Complainants said there is no “life-long” protection from a COVID-19 vaccine, as implied by the advertisement.

https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/covid-19-vaccination-advertisements-ruled-misleading-by-the-advertising-watchdog

I guess that deals a significant blow to the credibility of the PM, who said in 2020 ‘Unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth,’. So what else has she told us that is “misleading”?
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September 6, 2022 1:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  If her mouth’s moving, she’s lying!!!
  
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  September 6, 2022 1:27pm
- kowtow
  
  Andrea V will have a field day in her next expose with this particular bit of misinformation. Paula Penfold and Co at $tuff to do another “documentary” , this time called Carry On Cabinet or some such .
  
  I wonder if LGNZ will put up a list of names of all those involved and will FACT and that other bunch of vigilantes Disinformation Project get their collective knickers in a twist ………
  
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  September 6, 2022 2:24pm
- greybeard
  
  No immunisation either.
  
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  September 6, 2022 3:03pm
- herb1
  
  Tony, normally you are spot on with your quotes, however you have made a minor error in your Arden quote.
  You use the word unless, however she actually said , if.
  
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  September 6, 2022 5:45pm
Hugh Jarse

Just as a starter for ten, the comment the PM made that they had consulted with the fund managers. We all knew it was BS because that’s what they do every time. Like I said the other day, I just don’t believe anything they say now, it’s just one lie after another. If they say one thing you can just about guarantee the truth is the opposite.
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September 6, 2022 1:13pm
Jack5

The Kawerau mill labour row is “a stark portrait of capitalism’s failed hopes and broken promises.”

That’s the view of Morgan Godfery in the NZ-only online edition of the Guardian.

Godfery, a former trade union official, lectures in entrepreneurship at Otago University.

Here’s the online blurb for him at the university web site:

Morgan is a Senior Lecturer teaching into the Bachelor of Entrepreneurship. He co-ordinates and teaches ENTR 101 and ENTR 102.

Morgan comes to the Bachelor of Entrepreneurship after a successful career in journalism and public policy. He is currently the te ao Maori editor at Metro and a fortnightly columnist for both the Guardian and Stuff. Morgan is also a former Parliamentary staffer for the late Hon. Parekura Horomia.

Morgan’s research interests include public law, iwi governance structures, social enterprises, and the entrepreneurial state. He has published extensively in the field of public law – including constitutional law, local government law, and citizenship – and New Zealand politics. His current research focuses on social enterprises and entrepreneurship.
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September 6, 2022 1:26pm
- Swifty
  
  Godfery yearns to leap backward to a time where politicians gambled taxpayers money while trying to pick economic winners in markets.
  
  Especially with the current Lab0ur mob it would be a recipe for the widespread destruction of New Zealander’s hard-earned wealth.
  
  He thinks a few tens of academics, unionists, teachers and lawyers currently occupying Labour’s caucus would have more financial success than millions of NZ producers and foreign purchasers.
  
  To consider that belief foolish is an understatement.
  
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  September 6, 2022 2:16pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Everything I have seen Godfrey write is foolish. The notion a trade unionist can teach entrepreneurs is beyond ludicrous. Obviously our universities have no chance of employing a real entrepreneur.
    
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    September 6, 2022 7:30pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  WTF? How can someone so plainly deluded and holding a world view entirely inimical to Entrepreneurship be involved in teaching it? The only thing he has any demonstrated ability in is menacing and extorting money from people who do actual honest work.
  
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  September 6, 2022 2:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Entrepreneurship is not an academic subject.
  
  Morgan, when you have launched your own business and made your first million, then you can lecture us.
  
  Until then, not.
  
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  September 6, 2022 8:01pm
Benedict Yu

Pfizer has applied for New Zealand authorisation for covid vaccine for infants. Can’t see much demand for it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300672932/covid19-pfizer-applies-for-vaccine-approval-for-kids-six-months-and-over
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September 6, 2022 1:34pm
Nickc2

A pint of beer in England to rise to GBP 20.oo (NZD 37.90) this winter.
That puts that holiday plan to bed then eh?

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/09/05/inflation-crisis-cost-of-beer-must-rise-to-20-a-pint-industry-tsar-warns/
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September 6, 2022 1:46pm
- MCōs
  
  Ridiculous article
  There are numerous articles on Google predicting big rises in the price of a pint, but not even to half that amount.
  From my observation the bars here have built in their price rises already in anticipation of some sort of major cost increase.
  
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  September 6, 2022 2:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Go to Pomgoliar and find out Mac.
    Please report back
    
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    September 6, 2022 5:38pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Back in the real world Wetherspoon pubs currently sell a pint for a pound fifty.
    
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    September 6, 2022 7:36pm
I remember when

“Deputy Mayor backs Greens: Manawatu Standard.
Palmerston North’s outgoing deputy nmayor has thrown her support behind the Greens’ candidates for the upcoming election, saying they are needed to ensure future-focusing decisions and actions.”
Is that really true?
Despite their lack of time in government so far they have influenced the following –
Organic Farming – Nuclear actions
Climate Change – Regenerative farming
EV Vehicles – Use of Plastic
Genetic Engineering – Mining
Oil Exploration – Commercial Fishing
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September 6, 2022 1:58pm
Maggie Pie

Yet another worrying development….

Klaus Schwab already has the new UK government penetrated.

Liz Truss @ WEF

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1566872022231179265

My fave comment –
“I would have thought Klaus was too old to penetrate anything” 😀
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September 6, 2022 2:02pm
- mogg
  
  Truss is a Conservative with a capital C, she has got bigger balls than Boris, let’s hope she is prepared to use them.
  
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  September 6, 2022 2:28pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    “……she has got bigger balls than Boris……”
    So is she transgender then? Does she therefore identify as a lesbian or a drag queen? The mind boggles. 😆
    
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    September 6, 2022 2:34pm
    - mogg
      
      You are so funny
      
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      September 6, 2022 3:17pm
kowtow

News flash

Turdeau bans sharp objects.
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September 6, 2022 3:01pm
Bobba Fret

Keystone cops? Police thought body was a sheep (in a car? Sheep don’t normally drive). They obviously didn’t look too closely.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/body-in-burnt-out-car-for-two-days-police-told-passer-by-it-was-a-sheep/AICHYIXYOJDGCOQYHEQVYPK4TQ/
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September 6, 2022 3:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sheep dive all the time in Auckland.
  You have never been here right?
  Less sheep on the Shore, but they are there
  
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  September 6, 2022 5:44pm
Fisiani2

By tomorrow morning you will perhaps have read how Celtic shocked Real Madrid.
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September 6, 2022 4:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just another Friday night in Central Wellington

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/wellington-mum-at-breaking-point-after-13yo-daughter-viciously-attacked-by-same-person-for-second-time-in-six-months.html
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September 6, 2022 6:45pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  And the police do what?
  
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  September 6, 2022 7:21pm
Ghost

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/key-player-in-government-s-income-insurance-scheme-threatens-to-pull-support-if-tax-cuts-not-included.html

A key player in the Government’s redundancy safety net is threatening to pull support if there aren’t tax cuts for business.

Business New Zealand worked with unions and the Government to design the income insurance scheme, but their support comes with big caveats.
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