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Maggy Wassilieff

Our Dear PM is off to the UN at the end of next week.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/474125/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-to-travel-to-new-york-for-united-nations-meeting
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September 5, 2022 8:03am
- OlderChas
  
  It’s almost worth another lockdown to keep her there!
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Nothing’s worth another lockdown. Not a thing.
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:51am
  - alloytoo
    
    Perhaps Interpol New Zealand could enquire about reasons for immigration denying her entry into NZ?
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:17am
    - Nickc2
      
      Good call alloytoo, bring it on eh?
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:58am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yes please.
      
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      September 5, 2022 7:04pm
    - Keith White
      
      Being a spreader of mis-, dis- and mal-information.
      
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      September 5, 2022 11:10pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Wouldn’t work OlderChas. She’d claim special DJ status and breeze back in.
    
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    September 5, 2022 2:51pm
- mandk
  
  Yes, her advisers have told her there are no more ECE centre’s for her to visit.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:06am
- Taieri
  
  Our Dear PM is off to the UN at the end of next week.
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  Is she coming back?
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:07am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hmm, maybe not, I note no sign of Gayford for some months again, war drums are beating on him slowly again
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:58am
    - Albert Thrasher
      
      I don’t recall people piling on Bronagh Key.
      What’s with the attacking of the PM’s partner?
      
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      September 5, 2022 2:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        Thing is most of the people that attack Clarke are likely the same people who rightfully were annoyed at the attacks on Max and Stephie Key.
        
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        September 5, 2022 2:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There are some things we have been warned about commenting on.
        That is all.
        
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        September 5, 2022 2:27pm
    - Ruawai
      
      JA told Melissa on the AM show this morning that he was away working so wasn’t home for fathers day with Neve.
      
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      September 5, 2022 5:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “working” Yep, good one LOL
        
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        September 6, 2022 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If there is shit hitting the fan she will extend her trip – or shoot through to Kurow school.
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:59am
    - RalphT
      
      Yes, if she’s shooting off now it means they must have some bad news to announce and don’t want to run the risk of tainting her pure image.
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:07am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sept 17 I think
        
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        September 5, 2022 10:25am
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      a quick trip to the Ukraine or to the Taliban to see the NZ taxpayer dollar hard at work.
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:05am
  - Caine9
    
    She’s off for another round of job interviews…
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:59am
    - Observer of Life
      
      And maybe find time to catch up with Uncle Klaus.
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:59am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      More photo and video ops to feed her social media followers I imagine. That’s where the election action is.
      
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      September 5, 2022 4:09pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Off to deliver a status report and an update re her move to the UN sometime in the next year? Whatever she is doing, it won’t be beneficial to NZ or the people who live here. She’s a globalist shill.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is rotten to the core
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:59am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      I don’t think she’s rotten G. Just someone who has a job that is way above her capacity and out of her intellectual depth. There are people in the background that are pulling her strings and it is entirely doubtful that she is the absolute main player. Most good leaders surround themselves with outstanding support. She’s surrounded herself with inept idiots, many of whom have ulterior motives.
      
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      September 5, 2022 11:18am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “There are people in the background that are pulling her strings and it is entirely doubtful that she is the absolute main player.”
        
        Absolutely this.
        
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        September 5, 2022 4:10pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    “Whatever she is doing, it won’t be beneficial to NZ or the people who live here.”
    Pretty much sums up Cindy’s last 5 years at the head of this circus.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:13am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      The lipstick on the pig.
      
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      September 5, 2022 2:18pm
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    some greatd thinkign in this, shame it wont get into her tiny brain https://www.gbnews.uk/news/to-seek-to-persuade-generations-of-children-that-they-and-their-kind-are-a-plague-upon-the-earth-is-an-unforgivable-wrong-says-neil-oliver/361407
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:06am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Exactly right. We’ll probably also find out what her next 12 months of domestic policy will be when she signs us up to some international climate change or indigenous peoples treaty
    
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    September 5, 2022 6:20pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, they’re deliberately keeping her away from the front line in case she cracks up. IMO, there’s no other reason for her to do this trip. NZ’s economy (which is in deep shit) doesn’t depend on this ego trip.
  Why doesn’t she stay here and fix up our problems with: state housing, immigration, crime, health, labour, education, and Maori issues to name a few?
  Her current Ministers are incapable of dealing with these problems, and she is allegedly the can-do Princess.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:25am
  - pdm
    
    Nick – you forgot Child Poverdy and she is the Minister for that portfolio.
    
    Slogging her little heart outby spending 14hrs a month on it.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:00am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Must be the worst performing portfolio in the history of NZ politics.
      Child poverty has gone backwards. This is clearly a non-achievement.
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:20am
    - Nickc2
      
      Wow, 14hrs per month for 5yrs and she still can’t solve the fuckin problem. Such incompetence!
      Here’s a solution Cindy, stop paying people who can’t afford it to breed. There ya go, problem solved and Taxpayer money saved,
      Jesus wept, talk about milking the problem. All talk, no action, money wasted and votes bought.
      Let’s put a stop to all this crap.
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:28am
    - Max Mansplain
      
      wasn’t it 14 hours since the last election? or 10 minutes a week
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:39am
      - Nickc2
        
        I was using the 14hrs a month figure as quoted by pdm’s post @9:00AM.
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:54am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Aren’t all children poor? Financially dependent on their parents? Why not family poverty or just poverty in general?
      
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      September 5, 2022 6:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That thermonuclear meltdown is still on the cards
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She does not see the state of the country as an utter mess, just look at the state of the highway system, from one end of the country to the other, but that’s okay, the decay of our roads the last 5 years are down to the heavy rains last month, carry on as ya were 😃
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:03am
    - All_on_Red
      
      You don’t really notice the condition of the roads when you fly by Helicopter.
      Roads are for the ‘semi-fascists’. And who cares about them.
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:07am
  - oldfella
    
    Will she have time before she goes to have that big ‘conversation’ with non-iwi NZ about co-governance and what it actually means?
    You know, the one she promised us in 2022? //
    
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    September 5, 2022 12:03pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Email the Minister for Propaganda and ask him if his scriptwriters have completed writing the finishing touches to the script for Cindy’s speech about Co-Governance.
      The response should be a hoot eh?
      willie.jackson@parliament.govt.nz
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:33pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… Drop in to Blackrock HQ for tea and bikkies?
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, their last advice is working a treat.
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Or a glass of milk
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ardern said it will be an important opportunity to set out New Zealand’s continued commitment to the multilateral system and international rules-based order.
  
  “As the world continues to grapple with Covid-19, climate change, the Ukraine and geopolitical tensions, international cooperation is more important than ever,” she said.
  
  As pointed out repeatedly, Ardern is a globalist shill and an active, paid up member of the NWO and those pushing this draconian, dystopian nightmare. In her own words, it is her vision.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:54am
  - Nickc2
    
    If she’s so intent on pissing in these people’s pockets, why doesn’t she use her phone or get her staff to set up a Zoom Call? Too easy eh?
    Perhaps a second BlackRock or UN job interview is on her itinerary?
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is going Air NZ direct (first direct) What’s the bet Air Force 757 goes as well so she can flit over to her flaky mates in Cali?
  Anyway, I sent her an email asking if she could drop down the Florida’s Mar a Lago and say hi to The Don. Tell him how sorry NZ is for having your home invaded. Happens here all the time so we know.
  Wonder if I will get a reply?
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Aren’t the two B757s in a poor reliability state anyway ?
    Don’t know I would fly the full Pacific in them – anyway she owns AirNZ too.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The 757s have been to the US before. Not sure if both are in service.
      Last time, NY, then Cali, then NY, then somewhere else then home. May have dropped in to Hawaii. (refuel)
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:30am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Is she not going on the new Air NZ service to New York?
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:03am
    - oldfella
      
      Flying Air Aotearoa-New Zealand (rebrand must be close), but I’m sure she’ll demand a seat at the back of the plane so she can meet some adult Aotearoans for a change from all those kindy visits and cabinet meetings.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:11pm
      - Alwynn
        
        “demand a seat at the back of the plane”.
        I very much doubt it. I had a look at booking a ticket on that flight and found that all the Business Class seats (27 of them) and the Premium Economy (33 of those) are unavailable to me.
        I guess the front cabin is reserved for the PM and the middle cabin for her entourage.
        We commoners can still get on down the back of the bus though.
        
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        September 5, 2022 1:59pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Anything but do her bloody job, recess this week AGAIN, yet she will be off after that, what a waste of bloody space
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When Parliament is in cession she only does two days. Part Time Prime Minister, PTPM
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      To get fair all PMs are on the hustings on Thursday
      
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      September 5, 2022 11:08am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I didn’t realise they had a kindergarten in the UN building.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    They dont, but becuase JA is in an office it becomes one. The UN staff are ECE qualified so they can care for Jacinda.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Creche
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I bet they have a huge child care facility, maybe with a 600k slide with a big dummy sliding his ass on it
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:09am
- Scooter
  
  Is she taking her plus one and kid like last time?
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:05am
- Tricati
  
  Is there more bad news coming for the government – Off to hide from the scrutiny.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The knives could be out
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:10am
    - Paulus
      
      Nah !
      nobody has the guts to call her – she will reduce them to tears, uness he is called Sharma.
      
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      September 5, 2022 1:50pm
- R
  
  Good to see the PM is so concerned about climate change that she feels to need to travel on a gas-guzzling commercial plane.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:19am
- Flossie
  
  Oh no problem. I’ll just forget my idea of a wee trip to the Gold Coast so I can contribute my carbon to her allowance… anything to help stop this climate change.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:25am
- ecco
  
  Tone deaf isn’t she.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:39am
- stephen2d
  
  Another Stephen Colbert puff piece guaranteed
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:53am
- Zoro
  
  To get new instructions?
  
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  September 5, 2022 2:02pm
Debsta

Some of us never did buy the rhetoric, drink the koolaid, or take the blue pill. We simply got on as best we could in a crazy fucked up world, swallowing compliance dead rats when absolutely necessary, and quietly speaking our truth as often as we could. It is disturbing that we were such a small minority.
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September 5, 2022 8:03am
- Don Beckett
  
  Agreed Deb. Never took the jab, never wore a mask (except when visiting a rest home), never got covid, carried on life as normal, except when I ran into mask wearing terrified covidians.
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Muriel Newman shines a light on our media.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/muriel-newman-new-zealand-turns-sinister
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September 5, 2022 8:06am
- Swifty
  
  An excellent piece, thanks Maggy.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Muriel nails it. A must read for everyone in the country.
  
  “After all, it is in everyone’s interests that all players in the media act in a professional manner – especially if the industry is to rebuild and restore public trust.”
  
  The media in NZ have burned their bridges regarding trust for at least a decade. I despise these people, encouraged and financed by Ardern, using taxpayer money, they have ripped this country apart. Damaged and broken relationships between friends and family will take years to repair. Some may never be fixed. This is all on Ardern and this group of presstitutes who willingly took their pieces of silver and helped drive a massive wedge into NZ society.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:33am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    It’s not enough for the media to start behaving professionally – even if they were inclined to do so.
    
    – They need to acknowledge what they’ve done. They’re currently still making out that it’s the recipients of what they’re peddling that don’t understand.
    – They need to apologise.
    – There needs to be consequences for them, and what they’ve done to us.
    
    A lot is made of the government bribe money, and rightly so. However, this rot that has set into MSM was well underway before then. I’m pretty sure that Stuff had already told us they thought it was their role to ‘shape our opinions’ even before they signed up for the bribe money.
    
    Right now, they deserve all the derision they get.
    /rant
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:51am
    - cmm
      
      They won’t. To them they’re “fighting evil”.
      If you really believe you’re fighting evil, then all methods are justified.
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:10am
    - Paulus
      
      The so called paid for media would not know the word Professional – all whores !
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:43am
  - kowtow
    
    On much the same vein.
    
    The excellent karl du fresne.
    
    “Meanwhile, other media outlets continue to go after local body candidates who are deemed political harijans. The Dominion Post locks on to an anti-vax GP and Morning Report asks whether the media should be doing more to expose others of her ilk – to which journalism professor Jim Tully, who can be relied on to say exactly what RNZ wants him to say, unsurprisingly agreed.
    
    If people like Fire and Fury narrator Paula Penfold genuinely want to know why so many people no longer trust the media (although somehow I doubt that she does), she could start right there.”
    
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/08/and-they-wonder-why-media-credibility.html
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:03am
    - graham
      
      Sadly (for the state of the media here in New Zealand), I suspect that Mr du Fresne is bang on when he says:
      
      If people like Fire and Fury narrator Paula Penfold genuinely want to know why so many people no longer trust the media (although somehow I doubt that she does) …
      
      I rather think that people like Ms Penfold and her colleagues have buried their collective heads in the sand and are convinced that the world loves and admires them; the only people who don’t admire them are those nasty “far-right” rabble and they’re only a tiny minority.
      
      We know full well, of course, that numerous reputable surveys show otherwise; such is the willingness of many in the media to completely ignore inconvenient facts that they don’t like.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:13pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Great article.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:01am
- Gravelroad
  
  There have been claims that Local Government NZ has been a source for the identifying of dangerous election candidates for whom we must not vote.
  If we had a truely independent media, perhaps someone from within their ranks might be tempted to get off their behinds and find out?
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    A mob calling itself FACT Aotearoa seem to be behind a lot of the witch hunters .
    
    Who are they and where do they get funding .
    
    Would be nice for the media pardy to do a crusade on these secretive anti conspiracy theory bodies etc
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:06am
    - Ghost
      
      You’re funding them
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/local-government-nz-launches-voter-education-campaign-as-conspiracists-stand-for-election.html
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:26am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        They’ve already had to do a retraction for at least one mayoral candidate, Tina Nixon, who is standing to be mayor of Masterton. Allegations against here were based on what Facebook pages she had liked. The Wairarapa Times-Age ran a story to which they didn’t give her time to respond, then had to run an apology a couple of days later acknowledging she had been cleared of the allegations FACT made against her:
        
        https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10162134035469899&set=a.10150604483824899
        
        We need to push back against these organisations that set themselves up as the sole arbiters or who is and isn’t a suitable candidate for election to a local body. So much of the vitriol being generated is based on rumour and assumption.
        
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        September 5, 2022 12:07pm
      - kowtow
        
        That does not tell me anything other than LGNZ are using FACT as their witch hunters . Also it would appear that $tuff Fire and Fury also credits them .
        
        But that linked article tells me nothing about FACT.
        
        The public deserves to know who are Fact and who’s funding them.
        
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        September 5, 2022 12:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thanks for that. I am on Muriel Newman’s mailing list, but had not seen it.
  In the middle of it Russell Coutts was mentioned. I never found out if he took on a leader roll.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    For those who would like Dr Muriel Newman’s weekly newsletter:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/subscribe/
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:22am
- oldgolfer
  
  Everyone from Stuff should be made to read that.
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They can’t read – only write
    
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    September 5, 2022 2:31pm
Loddenthinks

Not sure if it’s been covered here – certainly $1uffed did its best to bury it, with a 5 am release.

Bethlehem College’s complaint about the egregiously unbalanced hit-jobs perpetrated by a stupid little ideologue was (almost astonishingly) upheld by the Media Council.

$1uffed didn’t attend the “day of silence” protest, didn’t speak to anyone who was there, didn’t interview the College or give them an opportunity to put their side, and didn’t contact them for comment prior to publication.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/about-stuff/complaints-and-corrections/300673418/media-council-upholds-complaint-against-stuff-from-bethlehem-college
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September 5, 2022 8:07am
- Harry Knuts
  
  When MSM get these wrong they should be published on the front page and for a full week. this may then make them think twice about their tabloid type approach.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All under a heading “WE ARE FAKE NEWS”
    Take your medicine MSM.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:25am
- graham
  
  However, the Council considers Stuff ought to have given the College an opportunity to comment before the first version of the story was published … the College had an appropriate expectation of being asked for comment on the story’s allegation in advance of publication. To not do so was unfair and showed a lack of balance. The later amendments following a public release by the school did not defuse this.
  
  The complaint was upheld under Principle (1) for unfairness and lack of balance as a result of the failure to seek comment from the school prior to publication.
  
  Stuff – officially determined to be unfair and showing a lack of balance. No surprise to me.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:36am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Funny though, it’s the exact opposite of what they trumpet. All that “fiercely-impartial” and “holding to account” they promise, whilst on their knees, begging for handouts.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:16am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      They see themselves like the moral champions in a TV courtroom drama. It doesn’t matter if what is said is out of order, just as long as the cheap shots are made to stick in the hearers mind.
      
      A retraction 3 months down the track in the small print at the back makes not a jot of difference. Someone needs to take a case against them for libel and slander.
      
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      September 5, 2022 6:53pm
- Chris2
  
  When reporting adverse findings against it, stuff always ends with “The full Media Council ruling can be found on its website https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/”
  
  $tff also need to also be criticised for failing to include the direct link to the Council’s decision, instead only ever giving the Council website homepage and forcing those interested, to search and dig around for the specific decision themselves.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:22am
Simon

We know now that the covid vaxxs are useless unsafe shit. That the covid vaxx would never made it out of trials had they lasted more than 3 months.

What is the purpose of Medsafe?? Just a rubber stamp. If NZ was an independent nation then a govt department would have said 3 month trials isnt sufficient. Had there been any independence. Cindy and the rest of the clown show from Wellington were just following orders.
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September 5, 2022 8:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Medsafe are guilty of malfeasance. Their own documents on their own website proves they had information, supplied by Pfizer, which shows there was so much missing information that the product should NEVER have been unleashed on the public.
  
  https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
  
  It’s not a long document. Read it and understand the implications. This document alone should be enough to see those people running Medsafe standing in a dock on serious charges. They clearly knew this jab was at best, untested.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    One downtick, which doesn’t bother me in the slightest, but I’d like the person responsible to explain clearly what was so offensive about my totally factual post and links to evidence from a NZ government department? Did I have a grammatical error? Am I wearing the wrong coloured socks?
    
    Strange.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:15am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You are correct. I recall being very pleased to see the vaccines, taking at face value the claim they were 95 percent effective.
      
      However unlike Jacinda I followed the data every day.
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:20am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        BY – that’s what makes the more extreme claims of some of those in the so called “conspiracy theorist” camp more plausible and certainly worthy of further investigation.
        Ardern, Hipkins, St Ash, Baker, Hendy and all of the others who so stridently drove this insanity – how is it remotely possible that they cannot have seen the same data that you and everyone else has been able to read and understand?
        There is only one plausible explanation. They KNOW they fucked up and are too cowardly to stand up, admit it, and take the required measures to repair the damage and heal the fractures they have ripped in the fabric of NZ society.
        
        CJ Hopkins is an outstanding writer and satirist. This is an excerpt from one of his essays on his website. Consent Factory. I recommend buying a copy of his essays or any of his other publications.
        https://consentfactory.org/#jp-carousel-9951
        
        If you read this, bear in mind it is only an excerpt from one essay and it was written in May 2020. Talk about prescient.
        
        Option Number One would be, admit what you did, apologise to whomever you have to, and try like hell not to do it again.
        Not many people are going to choose this option. (It takes moral fortitude and a backbone.)
        Most people are going to choose option Number Two, which is to desperately try to deny what they did, or desperately rationalise what they did (and in many cases are still actively doing).
        Now this is not as easy as it sounds, because doing that means they will have to continue to believe (or at least pretend to believe) that there is an Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu which is going to kill hundreds of millions of people the moment we stop locking everyone down, and forcing them to “social distance”, and so on. They will have to continue to pretend to believe that this Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu exists, even though they know it doesn’t.
        And this is where the Orwellian “doublethink” comes in. People are not going to want to face the fact that they have been behaving like a bunch of fascist, or cowards, for no justifiable reason whatsoever.
        So what are they going to do, instead, is desperately pretend that their behaviour was justified and that the propaganda they have been swallowing, and regurgitating, was not propaganda, but rather, “The Truth”.
        In other words, in order to avoid their shame, they are going to do everything in their power to reify the official narrative and delegitimise anyone attempting to expose it as the fiction that it is. They are going to join in with the corporate media that are calling us “extremists”, “conspiracy theorists”, “anti vaxxers” and other such epithets.
        
        This applies also to the Branch Covidians who still inhabit this blog from time to time (though thankfully getting fewer by the week) and still move about in our society, in fact, the essay was actually aimed at those cowards who supported this fascism.
        
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        September 5, 2022 9:53am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Clan: “ This applies also to the Branch Covidians who still inhabit this blog ….” Are you out there Aunty??
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Other vaccines take years of testing before declared safe. 3 months just shows it was/is an experimental medication aimed at ‘control’
  NWO, WHO, you get the picture.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:31am
  - lemuzz
    
    Absolutely correct Steve. We only need to look back to thalidomide and it’s effect on unborn babies due to an untested medication being prescribed by the medical profession
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A lot of people have no problem with the Covid vaccine. My brother brags about tow vaxes and two boosters. His work enforces it. I had a few issues after 2nd vax, hence no boosters, they can stick it.
      However he did become concerned when I mentioned things like myocarditis, pericarditis, anaphylaxis, blood clots. May not be immediate, some problems come months after the vax.
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Thalidomide. I knew a guy that had deformed arms, dunno what happened to him.
      Maybe those affected had short lives??
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:42am
      - kevn
        
        @SteveO… That thalidomide was used for 5 years before they figured out there was a big problem.
        Get the train of thought?
        
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        September 5, 2022 5:04pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      lemuzz – never forget, thalidomide was in development for 4 years before being allowed out to the public. It wasn’t approved in the US, but still, more than 20,000 people had it as part of a clinical trial. It was in development from 1953 to 1957.
      The first report of problems with it in pregnant women didn’t happen until 1961. It was 8 years before problems were identified, but we were expected to believe that this experimental technology, which had been around for 20 years without EVER getting a single product to market, was suddenly able to produce a “safe and effective vaccine” in a matter of months.
      
      In a decade people will study this fiasco in complete disbelief, particularly the fact that governments around the world propagandised, manipulated, bullied, coerced and otherwise compelled so many people to take part in this nightmare experiment. That people who urged caution were ridiculed and smeared by holier than thou “journalists”, driven on by “experts” who all seem to have far too much financial skin in this game.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:35pm
      - mawm
        
        Almost every new medication has a warning “not safe in pregnancy”. It takes years and a huge cost to confirm safety in pregnancy and most drug companies do not want to spend that amount. There weren’t even any animal studies done on the mRNA injectables for teratogenicity. To then recommend it for pregnant women can only be viewed as criminal.
        
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        September 5, 2022 1:21pm
      - Paulus
        
        I understand that Thalidomide is still used clinically, even in New Zealand.
        
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        September 5, 2022 1:52pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Paulus – the biggest problem is it was never tested in pregnant animals, never mind pregnant women. Similar to the covid experiment. According to Pfizer and Medsafe, there is much “missing information” when it comes to outcomes in pregnant women.
        
        It has since been properly tested and found to be useful for a number of problems including leprosy and a number of types of cancer. Ivermectin is the same, but we were deliberately prevented from accessing this cheap and super effective, Noble prize winning drug.
        
        https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/thalidomide/art-20046534
        
        Maybe one day this experimental gene therapy may be of some use. If it is, they need to apologise to the millions of subjects of this experiment who were damaged by it and who never had access to true, informed consent. Also all of the lives and businesses destroyed.
        
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        September 5, 2022 3:49pm
  - mawm
    
    Steve – this was more than an “experimental” vaccine, and this “pandemic” was more than a lab leak (that’ll get me more than a dozen downticks). Enough information is coming out from experimentation with covid viruses starting a decade ago, manipulation of the spike to effect the human respiratory tract, to early attempts in the development of monoclonal antibodies and mRNA technology. There’s an interesting history to the development of the Wuhan laboratory and the trio of Baric, Daszak and Zhengli. You won’t find it in the MSM.
    
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    September 5, 2022 1:15pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Like all bureaucratic outfits Medsafe just went along with the general international ‘vibe’. Don’t want to be rocking the boat by actually doing your supposed job and questioning things.
  
  Pfizer vaccine trials lacked numbers required (particularly in older people) to unequivocally reveal substantially increased risk of ‘unknown causes’ deaths that have been seen in covid-free NZ and Aus 2021 excess death data, although there were more cardio deaths in the the non-control group.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:48am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They had “missing information” regarding the impact on pregnant or breastfeeding women. That is from their own “Risk Management Plan”. A direct quote:
    
    Missing information
    Missing information refers to information on the safety of the medicinal product that is
    currently missing and needs to be collected (eg, on the long-term use of the medicine).
    
    Table 1: List of important risks and missing information
    
    Important identified risks – Anaphylaxis
    Myocarditis and pericarditis
    
    Important potential risks – Vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED) including vaccine
    associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD)
    
    Missing information – Use in pregnancy and while breast feeding
    Use in immunocompromised patients
    Use in frail patients with co-morbidities (eg, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), diabetes, chronic neurological disease,
    cardiovascular disorders)
    Use in patients with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders
    Interaction with other vaccines
    Long term safety data
    
    Seriously, if you were told about this before being jabbed wouldn’t your response to the person wanting to jab you to tell them to go and attempt to copulate with themselves???
    
    That table above is current, it is direct from the Medsafe website. They are still actively pushing this poison, even though we have mountains of data now proven that it kills and injures people in very large numbers! What will the impacts be in 3 years, 5 years, 8 years?????? They have not a single clue.
    No wonder I have lost all respect for the medical community.
    
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    September 5, 2022 12:44pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Here is the link, I’ve posted this a few times. I’m still stunned that no politician or journalist has hammered Baker or Ardern with questions regarding how this is even possible based on the information in their own Risk Management Plan.
      
      https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:55pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I once had to get Medsafe approval for moving the site of manufacture of a popular throat lozenge. This took longer than the novel MRNA medication approval.
  
  That is because the pandemic was so deadly we could not waste even a second of time to get the cure. Sadly some people still believe that is the truth.
  
  NZ sovereignty went out the door under Jacboots regime. Who did our Commie Queen sell us out to? All points to her Global socialists / WEF masters.
  
  Two years ago I wouldn’t believe that I would now be thinking this way!
  
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  September 5, 2022 7:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s a conundrum for Dr Megan Woods..

When the chap you’ve just doled $14M out to to provide shelter and security for homeless folk turns out NOT to be a good guy, what are you to do?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/09/04/undercover-report-rotoruas-emergency-housing-crisis-exposed/
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September 5, 2022 8:14am
- G152
  
  Ah but [Deleted – Mod] has an investigation going.
  She said so
  One motel room overflowing with a family and without the basics like cooking facilities and tormented by gang members pretending to be security.
  
  [Mod – enough of the cheap shots]
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:19am
- Rich Prick
  
  I watched that last night. “Tiny” seems to be running a private prison service on our dime. Well done Cindy, so much kindness.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah well, Ardern turned the whole country into a prison , on our dime .We’re still on probation .And as per the Muriel Newman article , there was no Opposition.
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:33am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    These people evicted a woman WHILE SHE WAS IN LABOUR!
    
    The infant died.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:21am
- Lipo
  
  Why do the media keep referring to the people staying on emergency accommodation as “vulnerable” people. You are not going to fix the problem if you are not honest about the facts. These people are not vulnerable. They are drop kicks and losers
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:27am
  - kevn
    
    @Lipo… Strange that there are homeowners (prob not many) in this free emergency accomodation. They put their home into a trust and rent it.
    So I am told by someone close to the action.
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:49am
- Blog-aholic
  
  First have some check and balances in some form of accountable reporting in place to trace where the $14m went.
  
  Woods is way out of her depth she cannot see the Wood for the Trees.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Seems to be out of her depth in most things she does.
    Wonder if she would ever survive in the Private Sector? Who would employ her?
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      People who choose to study politics as a career path should be prevented from ever actually becoming one.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:57pm
    - mawm
      
      Steve – It seems as if most of Labour belong in a very shallow pool; even by putting their toe in the water they are out of their depth.
      
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      September 5, 2022 1:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        No puddles is when it really turns to custard.
        “Where am I, where am I?”
        
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        September 5, 2022 2:37pm
- R
  
  The odd thing is that Tiny Deane said he couldn’t comment due to “governance”. Surely he meant co-governance? 🙂
  
  Sounds like Mr Deane is using weasel words to enable him to avoid accountability.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:26am
Mike

Happy International Day of Charity!
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September 5, 2022 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Got your begging bowl out Mike?
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:42am
peterwn

Few days ago Herald was moaning about cheese prices at New World. UK price for 250 grams $4 (equivalent) New World price $23. However a 250 gram block of NZ tasty cheese is $7 at New World.
Turns out the expensive cheese is produced in France and presumably is imported into NZ as a luxury product – no one has to buy that cheese. May be a staple at Tesco, but not in NZ.So it is rather inappropriate to imply that New World is price gouging on this item when it would (or should) not be including in the standard basket of groceries.
So taxpayer’s $55M is supporting this trashy sort of ‘journalism’, following on from the article naming and shaming the top 25 New World/Pak ‘n’ Save hard working owner-operators.
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September 5, 2022 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  link please.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:34am
  - peterwn
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/no-whey-cheese-price-gulf-revealed-4-in-the-uk-23-in-nz/2KRU4DR2FSH4W5PHWAQN7IJ4R4/
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Thank you.
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:47am
- cmm
  
  They even have Danish blue vein cheese which is cheaper than the NZ equivalent.
  
  These days you’re a complete idiot if you believe anything these “journalist” write.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:15am
- MCōs
  
  I bought a 500gr block of Mainland tasty cheese the other day from Countdown for $12.80.
  It’s expensive, but I like cheese.
  Some people like beer and pay almost that for a plastic cup of the stuff at the rugby.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:16am
  - Taieri
    
    I bought a 500gr block of Mainland tasty cheese the other day from Countdown for $12.80.
    It’s expensive, but I like cheese.
    —————–
    
    It is not expensive. Assuming this is a cheese and not a cheese-like substance. Real cheese is expensive because it is not possible to make a cheap cheese. The same applies to ham. The stuff that passes for ham in NZ contains approx. 70% of meat. The rest is water, emulsifiers, fillers and so on.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:28am
    - peterwn
      
      Tasty cheese is more expensive because it has to mature for a few years which requires money to be tied up in inventory. ‘not a cheese-like substance’ – are you implying that mainstream NZ cheese brands (including house brands) are not the real thing?
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:23am
      - Taieri
        
        are you implying that mainstream NZ cheese brands (including house brands) are not the real thing?
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        Yes. A mass produced cheese-like rubbish adorning supermarket shelves is just that. Rubbish. This is not to say that there’re no quality NZ made cheeses. There are, but they are expensive. As I stated before, you can’t make cheap cheese. It’s impossible. Cheese making takes a lot of milk, a lot of work and a lot of time. I’ve been making cheese (and bacon, ham and salamis etc) for many years so I think I know a little bit about it.
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:19am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Quite right Taieri, the saline they inject into bacon has to be seen to be believed.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:28pm
- fernglas
  
  In Europe that particular cheese is a cheap 2 Euro supermarket standard. The NZ price is outrageous although given the shit cheese produced here the average Kiwi might be forgiven for thinking that they were buying a luxury product
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:21am
  - peterwn
    
    Caveat emptor
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:24am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      When I want cheese, I go to Maison Vauron here in Auckland. Roquefort, Gorganzola, truffle infused Brie, manchego. But best of all they have foie gras du oie. Pity they don’t have white Stilton or Pule, but beggars can’t be choosers.
      
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      September 5, 2022 2:01pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  So your argument is that, because cheese we make in New Zealand with New Zealand milk costs a whopping $28 per kg for your basic Tasty, all is well?
  
  The Tesco cheese is made in France, with French milk, and shipped to a nearby country but one that’s not in the EU, and is sold for a profit at $16 or so per kg.
  
  I’m not sure you’re helping your argument there.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:24am
  - rockape
    
    It takes about 5. Lites of milk to make a kilo of cheddar. Add to that the production maturing times cheese will never be cheap.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:14am
    - RalphT
      
      In my time in the cheese industry the ratio was 10:1.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:27pm
  - peterwn
    
    $28???? New World has it for $19.99.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:27am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The comparison was between two blocks of 250gm, one at $4 and one at $7; I was merely extrapolating out to 1 kg, as I don’t believe the little wheels of camembert are sold in 1kg blocks.
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    So subsidise milk production like 5hey do in Europe.
    Or if you want to understand supply chains check the cost of staples in the Chathams, or Antarctica versus Auckland or London.
    Or perhaps ask yourself why it’s cheaper to import grain from Australia to Northport than from Canterbury
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I remember krazykiwi mentioning similar. A 1kg block of NZ cheese (can’t remember brand) was cheaper in London than NZ, taking into account the exchange rate.
  Wonder where krazykiwi is now?
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:48am
Ra Henare

My observation since my NZ schooling in the 50s and 60s (yes there was bullying back then).

Is the
“you poor thing”, syndrome.

When anybody has a bit of a moan or a cry, they get the response, you poor thing. A response that was absent in the 50/60s and 70s

In the 70s, western Governments went hard on providing social welfare. The spinoff being the current handout mentality as in oh you poor thing. Go on the dole, get a handout from social welfare, you need professional counselling, take the day off etc etc etc.

In my view this removed the family, albeit the extended family, from providing and resolving a lot of the problems.

If I was to summarise.
Before the 70s reforms it was “harden up”, “”sort yourself out”, “talk to your Uncle, Auntie Grandfather” etc etc.

Today its “you poor thing” get money from WINZ, get Counselling, take the day off, its not your fault.

I am currently living in an urban environment in Cambodia where the “”you poor thing” syndrome hasn’t arrived.
The family unit is strong both in support and discipline. The moaning and wailing, endemic in the west, is almost absent. I am lucky to speak the local language and can converse with a range of people

Reminds me very much of the NZ I grew up in. They are fabulous, friendly people
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September 5, 2022 8:18am
- peterwn
  
  Another putdown – you should go to Kingseat (then a mental hospital in South Auckland) or worse still Avondale (the former Oakley-Carrington mental hospital complex with a high security ward).
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:10am
  - Ra Henare
    
    It was not a perfect world then either.
    But has the government lead “”you poor thing”” made anything better?
    
    Of course not.
    
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    September 5, 2022 12:57pm
- MCōs
  
  I remember a kid who was constantly bullied at Marist Intermediate in Timaru c1960.
  The family couldn’t have had much money because he worked at the piecart in the evenings.
  A lot of the families didn’t have much money, but the church obliged them to have big families.
  A lot of the kids took no prisoners.
  
  One day his mother to the school at lunchtime when we were all sitting outside eating our marmite sandwiches.
  She gave us both barrels stumbling over her words because English wasn’t her first language.
  Everyone was amazed more than anything else and pretty much as soon as she was out of sight the bullying resumed.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:41am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It has been remarked that what made the British Empire the success it was was the ‘public’ (ie private) boarding school system, where upper class scions were sent away to be educated and had to learn how to get along with their peers and various potential abusers and bullies and manage diverse hardships without being able to rely on anyone to defend them. It no doubt wrecked and even destroyed some, but also created tough, strong, self reliant feedstock for the machine of empire.
  
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  September 5, 2022 5:54pm
Tomtoddy

Any idea what this means??

Māori environmental philosophies and knowledge systems (mātauranga)are intricately rooted in and shaped by Pacific pathways, and shaped by the oral traditions that connect Pacific journeys, encounters with new landscapes, and the ongoing socio-environmental and political experiences of today.

You are paying people to write stuff like that. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who live in a cocoon talking vague and ill-defined nonsense to each other, having endless meetings, writing dribble, focusing on diversity and kindness, thinking they are saving the world.

Meanwhile education standards plummet, crime escalates, people live in cars, mental health is in crisis, suicides are up and more.
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September 5, 2022 8:25am
- Benedict Yu
  
  As someone who has studied science and English, I can attest that is a pile of 💩.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    Isn’t this Govt about to establish a Ministry of Plain Speak?
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:41am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Sort of – they’re passing a bill requiring government agencies to communicate using plain language. Note it’s not “plain English” it’s “plain language”. I wonder which language it will be, mostly.
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:26am
      - Nickc2
        
        Whatever it is, it won’t apply to Radio and TV stations. The Minister of Propaganda (Broadcasting) Willie Jackson will see to that.
        
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        September 5, 2022 9:43am
      - Paulus
        
        Remember any new Departmental language must be in Maori.
        Many are already doing it.
        When we see laws written in misspeak will the Courts only uphold the Treaty meaning.
        
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        September 5, 2022 9:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      How can NZ have ‘plain speak’ when the Leader talks in word soup waffle?
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:55am
- kowtow
  
  Where does clear burning , moa extinction , cannibalism, slavery and perpetual tribal warfare fit into the philosophy .
  
  It’s all well and good them painting a Paradise motif , at least we acknowledge a fall .
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Seems to be a common pattern throughout pre-European Polynesia…
    
    Hunting of birds to extinction, clearing of forest, warfare
    
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1472-4642.2007.00459.x#:~:text=These%20extinctions%20began%20when%20seafaring,animals%20(Steadman%2C%201995).
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/easter-islands-extinction-event
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:55am
    - Swifty
      
      I’ve been thinking recently about this and wonder if NZ was a few hundred kilometers or less from Aussie, rather then the distance it is, might we have seen Maori raiding native-Australian people for control of food resources, women, land etc as they did amongst themselves here in NZ?
      
      All the evidence of how Maori interacted among themselves here in NZ I think there is a very strong case that were it not for this geographical accident of distance, Aboriginals would have been raided by Maori as a matter of course – and with Maori feeling entirely justified in doing it, as it was their custom to do so. Exactly as some did in the Chathams and on mainland NZ.
      
      I, personally, am in no doubt whatsoever.
      
      The Maori-elite must be feeling so bloody lucky they didn’t – their case for reparations and special treatment for colonialism would turn to dust.
      
      The whole thing is a con.
      
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      September 5, 2022 11:04am
      - Matt Long
        
        Maori would then have been the indigenous people of Australia and any historical, genealogical or archeological evidence to the contrary would be suppressoed and derided.
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:55am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I would like to see some examples of how “mātauranga” is currently advancing the scientific frontier. I have yet to encounter any examples.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:01am
  - Nickc2
    
    Maori propensity with moa extinction, cannibalism, slavery, and perpetual tribal warfare will soon fade into obscurity because it won’t be included in NZ’s History Curricula.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  TT it’s a wonderful example of “word salad”. Meaningless crap devoid of anything of substance.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:00am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In a world not too far in the past, young government advisors would have been rapidly corrected by experienced managers if they had attempted to write such rubbish. Now those managers have been forced out or have run.
    
    The Treasury published world class discussion papers betwen the mid 90s and about 2016. Hundreds of them offering advice that was ignored. These publications have dried up, being replaced since 2017 with insipid offerings on wellbeing.
    
    This advice was to the incoming Government in 2005 on a strategy to sustain growth. It is excellent reading, clearly written by top economists with no word salad in sight. I guess it was ignored. ☹️
    
    https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/bim/sustaining-growth-briefing-incoming-government-2005
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Top marks.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:59am
- Master Mariner
  
  Any idea what this means??
  
  Jesus. I think your asking a bit too much.
  I mean that is the whole point of it.
  No one understands and 8f they queztion , then fair game for being racist.
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:02pm
- Dave
  
  Any idea what this means?
  
  The meaning is clear: Maori knowledge and beliefs about the environment are the outcome of Maori experiences from pre-New Zealand times to the present.
  
  Unfortunately, this rather banal and reasonable claim, is inflated by bombastic language, glosses over the dubiety of that knowledge and its utter inadequacy in comparison with science, and is made risible by our knowledge of environmental destruction wrought by early Maori settlers in NZ.
  
  Maori astronomy constructed a celestial calendar, as did many ancient civilisations, incorporating the Pleiades, but it takes modern science and technology to observe all the stars in that cluster and determine their distance, age, velocity, luminosity, chemical composition, main sequence position.
  
  On more practical science (to add to BY’s comment from 9.01) – the green revolution, water treatment, digital communications, energy production, medicine and public health – Maori knowledge systems have contributed what exactly?
  
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  September 5, 2022 5:26pm
Warren

New measures by Government to toughen up on illegally gained wealth of Criminals, while this might be a good measure is it being done in a hurry for the right reasons or will this be another bill to gloss over the cracks.
Luke Malpass thinks this is the right bill to kill off Nationals tough on crime approach and give Labour a chance to steal a March on Law and Order.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics
They can’t stop juveniles committing Ram Raids so how will they get on against seasoned Criminals.
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September 5, 2022 8:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  I think people would prefer crime to be reduced rather than seeing the taxman is getting his slice.
  The Nats seem to be underestimating how much crime resonates as an issue.
  In the US they are starting to use it against the Democrats.
  Check out this Political Ad in the link
  https://notthebee.com/article/this-might-be-the-political-ad-of-the-year-so-far
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:50am
  - All_on_Red
    
    In Minnesota, the challenger to the Dem Governor is managing to make a real battle of it due to the issues with crime. He might win.
    The Graph he holds tells the story and is a powerful image.
    Its simple things like that which are very effective.
    But the Nats aren’t good at this stuff.
    Taxpayers Union are.
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/09/a-shooting-at-the-fair.php
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Governor.
      MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell will piss in.
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:07am
- Harry Knuts
  
  meanwhile – back at the ranch – 5 robberies across Auckland last night….
  These new measures are not going to impact robberies done at 3am but snotty nosed little shits. Perhaps compulsory 3 years military service for them would be a great start to get the yoof back on the straight and narrow. Just a thought.
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Where is Boy Hipkins – isn’t he now the crime fighting Police Minister ?
    Oh !
    he has not found the Police Ministers office yet as he is still browning Ardern.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Play hell with a big stick.
      All hui and no do-e
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My first vote was for Labour in 1970 I think. Reason? They were going to do away with compulsory military training. I was too busy drinking and chasing females and playin in snooker tournaments. Lookin back it would not have done me any harm.
    Territorials still running? My brother did it every year for about 8 years.
    But yes, a bit of discipline drummed into the little shits is what is needed.
    Be kind, not cruel to the soft dicks.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:15am
    - mawm
      
      Compulsory military training if it is done for the right reason has a place. When it is done to defend a reprehensible political system it does not.
      
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      September 5, 2022 1:38pm
- peterwn
  
  This is something the Police wants and I am extremely dubious about it. I suspect the objective of the Bill is to enable Police to seize assets on the thinnest of pretexts, something which seems to happen from time to time in the USA. Indeed the existing legislation on this needs to be looked at in the light of the protracted case where the Police are trying to seize assets because of a series Health and Safety breaches rather than *real* crime.
  While it could help take out a few more Mr Big’s drug dealers or money launderers it will do nothing for stopping crime where the crims are asset-less, the usual norm.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:25am
Tony Stuart

Rongotai MP Paul Eagle is a Labour MP standing for the Wellington mayoralty as an independent, despite being endorsed by the Labour Party. He had previously promised not to stand, but he’s an MP so more fool those people who believed him.

He will resign as an MP if he wins the mayoral election, and because there’s more than six months until next year’s General Election, a by-election will have to be held, at a cost to the taxpayer of around $1.2 million. Taxpayers; you might want to consider saving yourselves some money, and vote ABE (Anyone But Eagle).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/129738177/byelection-likely-to-cost-12m-if-paul-eagle-wins-wellington-mayoralty
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September 5, 2022 8:40am
- peterwn
  
  If elected as Mayor he will most probably backflip and claim he was persuaded to remain Rongatai’s MP as well. Labour wants a byelection there like a hole in the wall – it will be a big drain on party funds. Labour could end up having to spend a fortune on three byelections at the worst – Tauranga (50/50 chance of winning) , Rongatai (80% chance of winning) and Hamilton West (20% chance of winning).
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:32am
  - MCōs
    
    Tauranga 0% chance of Labour winning, as we know, regardless of the calibre of the National candidate
    Hamilton West there’s little chance of a by election, which National would win.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:38am
    - peterwn
      
      If there is another Tauranga byelection, I suspect the dynamics will be different from last time especially if Sam tries to win it again. I would not be surprised if Winston is nosing around. Presumably National is arranging polls etc to get a feel for what is likely to happen if Sam resigns and stands again or if a different candidate is selected. This would have a bearing on what Chris Luxon would do about the situation.
      
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      September 5, 2022 2:44pm
      - MCōs
        
        That’s a might big ‘if’.
        The longer this inquiry is dragged out the less likelihood anything will come out of it unless some stunning new revelations emerge.
        In the meantime Mr Luxon has come out with his own admission he wasn’t a model child himself in a cringey ‘try hard’ confession I saw on Twitter.
        The chap was practically a ram raider himself.
        https://twitter.com/spider_hoof/status/1566196465818832896?s=21&t=izfIGc0rWCt5ZGY8SOUkUw
        
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        September 5, 2022 4:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Isn’t that called double dipping?//
    
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    September 5, 2022 2:47pm
- Taieri
  
  He will resign as an MP if he wins the mayoral election,
  ————–
  
  He should have resigned as an MP the moment he entered the mayoral contest. A holder of a public office should not seek another public office as it gives him/her/undecided an unfair advantage.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:33am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    He has taken leave from Parliament for the duration of the campaign.
    
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    September 5, 2022 12:12pm
    - Flossie
      
      On full pay I suspect?
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:41pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        These people do not get payed by the hour, or docked by the hour.
        
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        September 5, 2022 2:51pm
- R
  
  Hmmm that $1.2 million mightn’t be a waste if a by-election resulted in a big swing away from Labour, in one of the safest Labour seats in the country. Jacinda might be hoping that Eagle doesn’t become mayor. 🙂
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:34am
  - R
    
    In fact, at the last general election, only the PM and Chris Hipkins had a bigger majority than Eagle.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:43am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I am pretty sure he is the other MP leaking to Sharma, apparently Ardern hates him, so wants out
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:33am
    - peterwn
      
      Seems to make sense – would seem he is only standing for Mayor as he seems to not be in the inner circle.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No way, let Eagle win, let’s see how much support the red army retains in a safe Labour seat, then just after Sharma might pull the pin making Labour look sick as they will lose the zHamilton seats
  
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  September 5, 2022 11:28am
Rusty

Surprise, surprise another ram raid in Hamilton.

When is this going to stop?

15 year olds probably involved, cant be prosecuted for these crimes, parents/guardians not held accountable either and a woke head of police taking orders from a woke govt who show more sympathy for the criminals than the victims.

If this continues a tragedy is going to happen sooner or later when business owners start taking the law into their own hands.
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September 5, 2022 8:43am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Compulsory military service will certainly help removing them from the public for a few years. Other countries do this – about time we did. Way better than juvvy which really is breeding ground for lifetime crims.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:02am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Agree. Betwen the ages of 16 and 25, maintain employment or education and training or it is two years in the armed forces. We would need to divert some funding from the welfare and wellbeing budgets to the military. And if they don’t cut the shit it is two years in military prison.
    
    Sorry it has got to that stage.
    
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    September 5, 2022 9:47am
    - MCōs
      
      The son of a friend of ours was initially turned down by the army because he needed to bring his grades up to scratch.
      I doubt if the military is interested or equipped in a bunch of poorly educated, unmotivated kids turning up on their front doorstep.
      “Sending kids off the army, they’ll sort them out” has been the right wing magic bullet solution for as long as I can remember.
      
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      September 5, 2022 10:51am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        It seems to work in Taiwan, Singapore, and Israel.
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and Norway too. They are hardly right wing.
        I see in Turkey, in a typically Turkish way , that after 1 month of service, an exemption can be purchased!
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:24am
      - Jack5
        
        Hopefully, nothing like the disgraceful policy of McNamara during the Vietnam War, with conscription standards lowered to take in 354,000 low IQ men.
        
        From October 1966, this led to 5,478 mentally deficient servicemen being killed (of a total 58,220 Americans killed). Most of those killed died in combat.
        
        The policy was branded McNamara’s Folly, and other troops sometimes called the low IQ men McNamara’s Morons.
        
        An interesting video account:
        
        https://youtu.be/_J2VwFDV4-g
        
        OR:
        
        https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2019/05/the-shameful-vietnam-war-policy-that-recruited-low-iq-men-to-die-for-their-country-louis-h-pumphrey-opinion.html
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:27am
      - MCōs
        
        All those countries have conscription for all males, which is entirely different.
        What would NZ do with all those 18yo soldiers who don’t want to be there?
        
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        September 5, 2022 11:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        US Military found it near impossible to train Afghan Troops, because the Afghanis were off their tits all the time.
        
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        September 5, 2022 2:59pm
  - rockape
    
    The military have far better things to do. Also these little scrolls would not accept discipline and run home to their families. The police would spend a lot of time finding deserters. Military service makes the man but they have to want to be that man. I ran my units combat training squadron and we had a 50% return to mummy rate.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      50% is rediculous. Around 5% would be the design.
      Must have been a lot of nancies who wanted their mummy.
      50 percent? Unbelievable
      
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      September 5, 2022 3:03pm
  - peterwn
    
    Last time this was tried, the bureaucrats stuffed it up properly. Labour Department did the organising and arranged the ballots. They selected far more young men than the Army could take so there was a backlog of young men ‘on hold’ for service. It got so bad that it was all canned before there was a political backlash.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:35am
- Flossie
  
  And some wish to reduce the voting age to 16!
  
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  September 5, 2022 12:44pm
  - MCōs
    
    Some do.
    What point are you making?
    Are you inferring that some people of that age should set the marker for all of them?
    There’s probably more people eligible to vote with dementia/Alzheimer’s over a certain age, but there’s no call to cut off voting at, say, 80 or 90yo.
    
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    September 5, 2022 1:36pm
    - Flossie
      
      I’m saying if a 16 year old is not considered old enough to take responsibility for their crimes then they should not be allowed to vote.
      I take your point that some older people with dementia etc maybe should also not be allowed to vote.
      
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      September 5, 2022 2:13pm
      - Nickc2
        
        There are lots of people between 16 and dementia who shouldn’t be voting let along standing for election to Local Bodies. However, never fear, LGNZ and Andrea Vance are doing their level best to prevent them from this practice.
        Aren’t we lucky we have self-appointed busy-bodies to tell us what to think and what to do and not do? //
        Get out of our lives you effin cretins!!!
        
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        September 5, 2022 2:23pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      True. And of course this age cohort doesn’t sweat the future as much … but they get to vote on things that will never affect them because they will be dead ….
      
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      September 5, 2022 2:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yer, a 16 year old should be able to vote even if he does 3 ram raids a week
      
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      September 5, 2022 3:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda is the voting Idol of the Gangs

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/pm-jacinda-ardern-denies-labour-is-favoured-by-gangs-after-head-hunters-member-urges-followers-not-to-vote-for-national.html
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September 5, 2022 9:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  How would she know? Did she do a survey? Or is it her world famous intuition? Or maybe she is telling lies 🤥.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:15am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Just another empty refudation.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:08am
  - Observer of Life
    
    BY: Get it right… “inchewishin”
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “PM, what is your favourite lie?”
    “I don’t tell lies”
    “Yes, that is my favourite one too!”
    
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    September 5, 2022 3:08pm
- kowtow
  
  I have it on reasonable authority that your serious crim is not a voter.
  
  For the simple reason that you must register an address .
  
  Yes there are many ways around that and yes they no doubt will direct other family members , but my first sentence stands .
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:53am
  - Philview
    
    The gangs are telling their members to vote Labour. Jacinda an expert at dancing on pin would not see this as favoritism
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:18am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Giving money to gangs by way of govt funding some sort of drug rehab program is well and truly smoke and mirrors for paying for votes.
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:22am
  - Philview
    
    Yes $2.5 million with no accountability on the service provided. Coincidentally a very similar amount to assets previously seized by the police. In other countries it would look suspicious.
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:14am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      The gangs are calling it a tax rebate. wonder what new scheme they will think of next. An education organisation perhaps? the next MIT of Manukau? Automotive maintenance – how to fix locks on cars etc.
      
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      September 5, 2022 12:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      $2.75M but who is counting?
      
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      September 5, 2022 3:10pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Last election, Harry Tam was filmed asking Mobsters to vote to keep out Judith Collins – purely for self interest & he wasn’t being anything less than crystal clear.
  
  Yes – do gangs prefer Labour and if voting, do not vote Nats/ACT.
  
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  September 5, 2022 2:54pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Here is the ‘Hard to Reach’ website:
    https://hard2reach.net/2020/08/30/why-we-must-all-vote-in-this-coming-election/
    
    “the gang community has only one option in this election and that is to vote Labour”.
    
    And the footage of him wearing his proverbial Mongrel Mob this time, telling members that they need to keep National out: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/ryan-bridge-the-video-of-mongrel-mob-honorary-member-harry-tam-kiwis-deserve-an-explanation-on.html
    
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    September 5, 2022 2:59pm
ClanMcleod

Yet more evidence of the increase in all cause mortality and the obvious and clear association with the rollout of the jabs and the boosters that followed.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/mark-steyn-and-i-talk-about-excess-deaths-and-covid-vaccine/

It is beyond dispute. The “conspiracy theorists” were right. They are due a very big apology, and the media and politicians responsible are due for some appropriate retribution.
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September 5, 2022 9:12am
- cmm
  
  The get out of jail card for these people is that they will say that Covid is so bad that any risk was worth it.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:21am
  - Zero Kindness
    
    ….even the “risk” of using an FDA approved, Nobel Prize winning and effective medicine such as Ivermectin?
    Sorry that jail card doesn’t come free. Omicron dissolved it and Delta was not bad enough to warrant it’s issue.
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:21am
Tauhei Notts

I note that Otautahi’s Peace Train has four carriages, coloured red, yellow, blue and green.
Can anybody tell me which of the four carriages is labelled the “Salman Rushdie” carriage?
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September 5, 2022 9:12am
- kowtow
  
  Yep the great outpouring of Je suis Salman , not .
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is that ‘Otautahi’ place in R. T. Rower?
  
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  September 5, 2022 3:15pm
BeaB

Corin had a cosy wee chat with Jacinda on Morning Report. Once over lightly. Waffle from her as usual.
I guess when National wins next year the media will suddenly remember its role in holding the government to account.
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September 5, 2022 9:16am
- Paulus
  
  Corin is still having a bob each way whatever – he cannot be positive as it might upset Cindy !
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The media will be paying for itself. I want no National/Act Taxpayer’s money going to these brainwashed bludgers. Most MSM in NZ can die for all I care.
  Look for a job you Socialist bastards!
  
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  September 5, 2022 3:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Not a good look, Dear Government

Between August 15, 2021, and June 26, 2022, 13,410 surgeries were cancelled nationally.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/129749266/thousands-getting-progressively-sicker-as-surgeries-pushed-back-further

You really can’t blame this mess on anything other than Labour’s mismanagement of the Health sector.
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September 5, 2022 9:17am
- cmm
  
  … but, but, but, Covid!
  
  That’s not nearly as bad as 2020 when many more surgeries and outpatients visits were cancelled between April and June, so it’s actually an improvement.
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Never forget, covid didn’t do anything, covid can’t make policy decision. These were all Ardern and her government’s decisions, every bit of the responsibility is hers. Every death, every lost job, ever lost home, every broken friendship and relationship. All thanks to Brenda. Covid is a piss poor excuse for anything.
    
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    September 5, 2022 1:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  9 years of neglect 🤥☹️
  
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  September 5, 2022 9:42am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Five years of failure?
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Failure” is another word that has been redacted from the Labour Dictionary.
      A fucking black line right through it with a marker pen.
      
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      September 5, 2022 3:22pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  The health sector backlog will kill more people in NZ than Covid. Probably already are sadly. But the MSM won’t report this as it’s our national shame. Gone from 1st world country to 3rd world.
  
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  September 5, 2022 11:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Also , the folk who are reported as died with/of covid ;
    
    how sick and close to the Pearly Gates were they already , as opposed to folk who would have benefitted from medical intervention that was denied them , while the country was locked down , repeatedly.
    
    Not to mention long term developmental problems in children , education etc
    
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    September 5, 2022 1:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ex wife’s sister was in a Resthome. Under 60, but battling throat cancer for many many years. She died when Covid went through the Resthome. Death reported as Covid.
      8 am and body straight to the crematorium – family banned from the place and had to pay their last respects from across the road, I kid you not. Ashes could not be picked up for 6 weeks.
      This is how much this controlling bastard Govt cares about it’s voters.
      What’s that? You want my vote next year? Get fucked.
      
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      September 5, 2022 3:29pm
  - graham
    
    To take just ONE example that I am aware of, the Breast Cancer Foundation has said that lockdowns have had a “devastating impact” on breast cancer diagnoses.
    
    They estimate the backlog could be as many as 50,000 women still waiting for their mammograms since the first Covid lockdown in 2020.
    
    After the August-November 2021 lockdowns, at least 133 women across New Zealand had no idea they have breast cancer, because they missed the mammogram that would have diagnosed them.
    
    Because of Covid, participation in breast screening is the lowest it’s been in more than 10 years, with Māori and Pacific women worst affected.
    
    https://www.breastcancerfoundation.org.nz/what-we-do/advocacy/missing-women
    
    50,000 women waiting for their mammograms since the first Covid lockdown. How many other delayed or cancelled tests, diagnostic procedures, surgeries, treatments, etc. are there?
    
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    September 5, 2022 3:06pm
Aunty

I’ve just read Sasha Borissenko’s article in this morning’s Herald. And the only feeling that I am left with after reading her sneering, patronising, smug, and superior little epistle is that the creep, Sasha, is you.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sasha-borissenko-why-victoria-universitys-intimate-relationships-ban-makes-life-awkward-for-creeps/R72OIDWCYJIKV5AVJJACN7BVEA/
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September 5, 2022 9:56am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I came to a similar conclusion after not reading it. I have the same opinion of those who consider themselves entitled to interfere in other adults’ love lives.
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:12am
- alex Masterley
  
  I read it too. I thought what was said was poorly written rubbish with an underlying theme of disappointment that she hadnt been hit on when she was at university herself.
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:46am
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300678845/excessive-government-is-it-time-for-labour-to-rein-it-in

A very good read.
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September 5, 2022 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  Comments allowed . How queer.
  
  They must want more $ from the taxpayer and using this to pressure the regime…..
  
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  September 5, 2022 2:49pm
BeaB

Will Jacinda take her boyfriend to the UN this time? Remember her first visit where she took a photographer with her (on our dime) so we got lots of lovely pics to moon over?
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September 5, 2022 10:32am
- Ghost
  
  I’ve never had a problem with him going on trips with her, just like I never had a problem with John Key taking his wife and kids on offical trips he went on
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:39am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I guess one difference could be that Key didn’t take Bronagh with him so he could keep a very close eye on her.
    
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    September 5, 2022 10:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Key always paid for his family whenever they went, except when he was on a formal Parliamentary trip accompanied by Bronagh.
    Remember Key never took a Prime Ministerial salary too!
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:05am
    - MCōs
      
      I think you’ll find John Key did take a salary.
      The money, including annual adjustments, gets paid out whether the MPs like it or not unless the law is changed.
      So.
      He donated a dollop to charity.
      
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      September 5, 2022 1:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Charity – therefore he did not take the salary. I guess he still paid Tax on it though.
        Panic panic panic, let’s see John Key’s Tax Returns. There must be some Tax dodges going on.
        
        Oh I am sorry, I got Key and Trump mixed up
        
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        September 5, 2022 3:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Child has it’s own UN security card.
  Everyone goes “Ahhhhhhh how cute”
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not sure if Jethro is allowed to go.
  That is all.
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:46am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    I see that you are still totally consumed by our PM and her partner Steve.
    
    That can’t be good for your mental health.
    
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    September 5, 2022 11:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My mental health is just fine thankyou, and my mental health is none of your business.
      Foxtrot Oscar.
      
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      September 5, 2022 11:26am
      - kowtow
        
        Funny these folk having a go about mental health , when her lockdowns must have been one of the most harmful things , if not the most harmful thing , imposed on a whole population in modern history.
        
        Time is telling how crazy it was.
        
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        September 5, 2022 1:14pm
      - MCōs
        
        The people of Ukraine, as an example that comes to mind, might disagree.
        
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        September 5, 2022 2:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Kowtow, her ‘lockdowns’ saved 80,000 Kiwis. Did you not know that?
        
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        September 5, 2022 3:41pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Well considering the pair of them have dominated her bought and paid for media platforms in NZ, it’s a bit difficult to miss the pair of them surely? Though Gaylord has been quiet ever since the “rumours” about him were “quashed” by the courts. As they say, “not guilty” doesn’t mean innocent eh?!
      Gaylord’s problems were a bit like vaccine injuries and the pfizer experiment. “Correlation is not causation”. It’s a bloody big hint about what is really happening though.
      
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      September 5, 2022 1:19pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  let’s hope so. If he’s overseas then less likely he’s on our TV’s and lowering the IQ of the nation. I would rather watch grass grow than watch a house being moved or a fish being caught.
  
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  September 5, 2022 10:54am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Does your TV not have a “channel” control … 🙂
    
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    September 5, 2022 12:55pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      A very fair point. I don’t understand how some people manage to reconcile “I support free speech and the free exchange of ideas” and also “Get that man off my TV!”
      
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      September 5, 2022 2:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “They’re playing tennis on the Tele”
        “They’ll fall off”
        
        Morcambe and Wise.
        Just getting my coat, ok
        
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        September 5, 2022 3:47pm
Ghost

I can’t help but think that Jacinda won’t be talking about our gun laws on this next trip to the USA

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/armed-police-cordon-off-road-residents-report-seeing-man-with-gun-in-auckland/6NPXAGUMO37MQ2LNNOLX6T6P5U/

Armed police cordon off road; residents report seeing man with gun in Auckland
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September 5, 2022 10:54am
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, spotted on Gunner Drive also. Unbelievable coincidence.
  
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  September 5, 2022 11:22am
- kowtow
  
  Saw a gun.
  
  They’re clearly delusional .
  
  The gun confiscation made us all safer .
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jesus, will someone just take her to a gun range and give her a go, please?
  
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  September 5, 2022 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sept 5th 2021. ‘What if Trump —–‘
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=381825046682867
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September 5, 2022 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well at least two people have no idea what a pisstake is
  
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  September 5, 2022 3:51pm
Ghost

Canadian police on Sunday said they were on the hunt for two suspects believed to have killed 10 people and injured at least 15 others in stabbings in the Saskatchewan province.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/09/canadian-mass-stabbing-10-dead-15-others-injured.html
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September 5, 2022 10:58am
- kowtow
  
  Where’s Michael Moore now , the guy who hates the USA . Pushed a bullshit theme that Canada was sooooo safe .
  
  btw just goes to show that gun restrictions are bollox .
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:11pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You know the old saying “Don’t bring a gun to a knife fight”
    
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    September 5, 2022 2:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Been nearly 2 hours, and that flew over the top of most
      
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      September 5, 2022 3:53pm
Bobba Fret

How can Jacinda even say that with a straight face that gangs do not favour Labour!
Obviously the Head Hunters do, and the Mongrel Mob do.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pm-denies-labour-favoured-by-gangs-after-head-hunters-member-urges-followers-not-to-vote-for-national/ar-AA11seXy?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=b75aaca65bec4a8c9e627565f8a5ad03
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September 5, 2022 11:16am
- septic skeptic
  
  Another soft chatty interview, nodding in agreement with Cindy’s deflection. Is challenging Cindy with “the gangs are telling their members not to vote National because the measures they plan to introduce will impede their ability to operate as they can under your government” contrary to PIJF policy or something?
  
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  September 5, 2022 12:25pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bobba – as we know for sure now, Ardern can tell any lie with a straight face. Practice, practice, practice.
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sometimes I wonder if she knows she is bullshitting.
    Arrogance, ignorance – same thing I guess to her.
    No eye deer.
    
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    September 5, 2022 3:56pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/129738177/byelection-likely-to-cost-12m-if-paul-eagle-wins-wellington-mayoralty

Yet another lying Labour MP. And useless. And perpetually troughing.
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September 5, 2022 11:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sept 5th 2021. Liz Wheeler – Gun buyback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCJCXFfz6s&list=PLWWfzDh1nnvrcsONdwl9TP52YLQ9YIPoa&index=30
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September 5, 2022 11:22am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9sSVcEIrrM
Pro Family March in Serbia.

Up to 100,000 people joined a pro family march in Serbia recently. Funny, there wasn’t an article in $tuff. [2:19]
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September 5, 2022 11:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  70,000 march in Prague in the Czech Republic, anti EU, demanding neutrality in the Russia/Ukraine conflict and a resumption of cheap gas from Russia. It’s not even close to winter yet.
  This shit show in Europe is going to be massive. These clowns in Brussels couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. They have never been able to, but this time they area actively destroying the lives of millions of people, many of whom will likely freeze to death. EU headquarters could be the next Bastille if these morons don’t sort their shit out.
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    Putting aside the pros and cons of Russia shutting down the gas pipeline.
    Who’s making the huge profits from the exorbitant gas prices?
    We all know that the oil companies made fabulous amounts of money while we were forking out $3.20+/litre for petrol
    
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    September 5, 2022 2:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who??
      The fucking Clintons of course. Gotta build up the finance for Killary 2024//
      Maybe not sarc, Mac?
      
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      September 5, 2022 3:59pm
    - Taieri
      
      We all know that the oil companies made fabulous amounts of money while we were forking out $3.20+/litre for petrol
      ————–
      
      Do you have the slightest idea what does it cost and what is involved in getting petrol to the service station?
      
      Starting with seismic surveys and data processing and raising finance, right through to exploration, setting up infrastructure, delivery to refineries, refining and distribution? And that is just a part of the technical side of things.
      
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      September 5, 2022 4:10pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Absolutely. Follow the money every time. Trump warned the Germans 5 years ago against becoming energy dependent on Russia. They laughed at him.
      Also the bear has been poked by so many sharp sticks in the last few years, is it any surprise they find another gas pipeline has “broken down”?
      Anyway, the EU is bypassing the sanctions. China is buying the Russian gas and oil and sell it at a premium to the Europeans. The “sanctions” are like Ardern’s covid policies. Virtue signaling bullshit.
      
      China has been quietly reselling Russian LNG to the one place that desperately needs it more than anything. Europe… and of course, it is charging a kidney’s worth of markups in the process.
      
      https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/China-Is-Quietly-Reselling-Its-Excess-Russian-LNG-To-Europe.html
      
      But just as they will keep fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, NATO will keep sanctioning Russian energy until they freeze or starve the last elderly person to death.
      Those on big fat salaries and in apartments in London and Brussels who are responsible for this deception will, of course, not be impacted. Just the poor plebs as usual. Again, similar to NZ.
      
      Let’s hope the plebs in Europe don’t get wind of this deception. Though the number of protests and the numbers turning out for them seem to be showing the game is up. This one in the Czech Republic.
      
      https://nypost.com/2022/09/03/70000-protest-in-prague-against-czech-government-eu-nato/
      
      Of course NZ media refuses to cover it. Fisher apparently claiming this stuff is from Europe so it isn’t important. lol
      
      Of course, mainstream media quickly labelled the protesters “extremists”. Funny that. Trudeau in Canada, Biden in the US, Ardern in NZ, Andrews and others in Australia, all plagued by this sudden upsurge in “extremists”?
      4 of the 5 eyes countries being overrun by extremists? Whatever could be going on?!
      
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      September 5, 2022 4:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “Of course NZ media refuses to cover it.”
        Today on play school TV1 news they diverted to older cars converted to electric. Yes I watch because the speaker of the house has the remote.
        Anyway when an EV gets written off there are shitloads of electric motors available. A 1960s VW is now electric. This is california.
        That shit is over 3 years old, and it is news in NZ? Saw my dick off. Nothing is happening in NZ these days, just reporters repeating!
        Over 3 years!!!!
        
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        September 5, 2022 4:36pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, spare a thought for all the frigid Euros with rigid digits in the coming months.
    
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    September 5, 2022 4:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28pDDXyrVXQ
Farmer James Tour – Teacher Joe.

More from Lingo Lewi. I don’t think $1tuff will feature these guys either. [35:42]
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September 5, 2022 11:35am
Nickc2

Donald Trump and Joe Biden Both held rallies in Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania this week.
Here is what they looked like back to back.
Incredible
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/09/biden-v-trump-.html
As if we were in doubt?
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September 5, 2022 12:08pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  So those are the domestic terrorists sleepy Joe was talking about the other night? They look just like the domestic terrorists in NZ who protested at parliament. ie normal people. Funny that.
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:45pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Good one Mac!
    
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    September 5, 2022 2:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only crazy lefties think they have a chance (at cheating again)
  Payback time starts with the mid terms.
  #Trump 2022, and #Trump 2024.
  
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  September 5, 2022 4:52pm
kevn

Just a reminder how it was folks… 12 months ago a good friend died in Rotorua. His son in Aussie couldn’t get into NZ, his daughter in Akld could only come FOR THE DAY, her husband was not allowed to accompany her at all. She HAD to travel back same day after coming down and her Dads funeral.
Shall we say it was a cruel time for both.
I’m sure there are lots of similar stories.
Don’t forget how ghastly the processes were, only 12 months ago.
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September 5, 2022 12:08pm
Nickc2

The hypocrisy of the Climate Change scam.
Stranded Tourist with Dead Electric Car Helped by Coal Miners
https://www.breitbart.com/local/2022/09/04/stranded-tourist-dead-electric-car-helped-west-virginia-coal-miners/
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September 5, 2022 12:21pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The comments are a hoot! Lots of EV haters.
  
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  September 5, 2022 12:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Should just fill up the boot with coal. KISS.
  
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  September 5, 2022 4:54pm
- quarterpack
  
  Petrol and diesels never catch fire or run out of fuel?
  
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  September 5, 2022 5:10pm
Jack5

New Zealand sleeps while Labour’s Wily-Willie Jackson completes moulding the coming State media giant: Aotearoa New Zealand Public Media” (ANZPM). This will be an “autonomous Crown entity” including TVNZ and Radio NZ.

Veteran Leftist blogger Chris Trotter writes:

“Inevitably, ANZPM’s need for an audience to replace the dwindling eyes and ears of the Baby Boomers must lead it towards the younger generations of New Zealanders. It is to their values and tastes that the cultural production of the big public broadcaster will inevitably be attuned.

“The political consequences of such an orientation are equally inevitable. The material aspirations of younger New Zealanders, their easy-going acceptance of co-governance and other Boomer bogeymen, plus their rock-solid determination to take climate change seriously, make it unlikely that the neoliberal economic and political axioms of their elders will be tolerated for very much longer.”

What are National and ACT going to do about this? Will Peters be the only one to capitalise on this Red stealth?

Trotter:

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/09/sounds-of-silence.html
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September 5, 2022 12:30pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  And Trotter has just demonstrated a classic trait of Lefty Boomerism that’s been around since the late 60’s; this Whiggish view that History unrolls in only one direction, their direction, and that The Youf are with them.
  
  Idiots like him thought the same thing about Gen X’rs like me when we were supporting Labour in the mid-late 1980’s. You heard the same shit and Trotter and company had not a fucking clue that we were voting for very different things than he thought we were.
  
  Same again: I don’t know how old his kids are, or even if he has any, but he’d be shocked at the attitudes that Gen Z have toward a lot of things like Climate Change and “NeoLiberal” economics. On that last it’s a repeat of the 1980’s; Gen Z aren’t keen on the whole Free Trade/Free Market worship thing (they’re staring down the barrel of housing for one thing), but that doesn’t mean they have any love or faith in Trotterskies “solutions” from 1950.
  
  Christ, aside from anything else is he really so clueless as to think that Gen Z is tuning into TV and Radio in general, let alone the fabulous world of Public Journalism via TV One and Radio NZ? I guess he is that clueless otherwise he wouldn’t have written that article.
  
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  September 5, 2022 2:47pm
  - than
    
    Many of the people on reddit.com/r/newzealand are younger and generally more left leaning. The last few threads on three waters were generally against it.
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:05pm
Prince

In response to the news about Rotorua’s motel scandal, Ardern puts on the sad mask to say she would rather families lived in motels than in cars and garages.
Two weeks ago she responded to the three-fold increase in families living in cars under her watch by saying it was because they now had better measurements.
She lurches from one failure to another with some half-baked excuse, hoping that people will forget what she said just a few days ago.
This Government would have to be the most inept in our history. Everything they do makes it worse.
On top of the social crisis, the Health and Education crises, our financial situation is becoming parlous. Government debt has tripled, and will tip over $140B next week. It increases by $86M each day, but no one can say where all the money goes. Damien Grant article on the Pharmac move to apartheid shows how the Government spends more to achieve less.
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September 5, 2022 12:47pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Ardern claims she has great results on her indicators for poverty reduction for kids. What she isn’t telling everyone is she is purely shifting the problem from out of their cars and into feral gang run motels.
  The majority of these motels are below standard for any human to live in. Perhaps Cindy can live in one of these motels for a year and then tell us if it’s a suitable place for kids to live in?
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:14pm
  - Flossie
    
    And can someone (maybe from the government?) enlighten us as to what the plan is to get these people out of motels? Tourism, particularly Rotorua tourism, is suffering badly.
    
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    September 5, 2022 7:16pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I can’t wait for John Campbell to be questioning her on this and interviewing people that have been in a motel for years. Waiting………., Waiting………., Waiting……… John, are you there?
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:41pm
  - nathie
    
    Hey! John is always waiting patiently for someone to ring him so he can investigate … oh wait!
    
    https://sites.google.com/site/1311380radio2/no-you-hang-up
    
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    September 5, 2022 4:17pm
Flossie

I do feel for the disabled community but why does everybody else have to be masked up to “protect” them? If they are concerned they can wear the mask and let the rest of us return to normal – whatever that means now.
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September 5, 2022 1:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Flossie, I was in a Harvey Norman shop yesterday and a masked sales assistant was coughing. My unmasked self retorted ‘It wasn’t my fault because you are protected’. She sort of smiled…I think.
  
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  September 5, 2022 2:35pm
  - kevn
    
    @InOut… Probably sucking on all those micro fibres on the inside of her mask for 12 months, is giving her a problem. Sadly for all those shop supermarket workers.
    
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    September 5, 2022 3:22pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      The truely vulnerable:
      -low paid workers who have to wear masks by government mandate,
      – School children also bullied by Education system and fearful teachers to wear masks
      
      Poor sods!
      
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      September 5, 2022 9:49pm
- kowtow
  
  I presume that at this stage they are double ‘vaxxed’ and double “boosted” and if the damn thing is as good as Ardern says it is what are they worried about .
  
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  September 5, 2022 2:37pm
- Ghost
  
  I guess for the same reason the South Island was not allowed to be open when there was no Covid down here. When you work out that reason let us know
  
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  September 5, 2022 2:39pm
Fisiani2

Celtic 4 Rangers 0. Could have been a lot more but for the biased ref
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September 5, 2022 2:36pm
Ghost

Hmmm, could an AI Prime Minister be any worse than we’ve had. Perhaps we could start off slow and have an AI for a speaker of the house.

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/chinese-company-humanoid-ceo

The world of technology continues to meet the firsts.

Recently, the China-based mobile game company NetDragon Websoft appointed an artificial intelligence-supported virtual human being as the general manager named “Tang Yu.”
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September 5, 2022 2:53pm
mandk

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129784038/watch-live-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-outlines-new-proceeds-of-crime-laws

This won’t bother the gangs at all.

They know perfectly well Labour are completely unable to deliver on any policy.
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September 5, 2022 3:14pm
Swifty

A totally and utterly bewildering performance from a US gender studies professor on receipt of some simple questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMUXQtaoN54

Who would bet against our tertiary establishments being stacked with similar people?
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September 5, 2022 3:37pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Watched about 2 mins of word soup
  
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  September 5, 2022 4:54pm
Loddenthinks

I don’t particularly care what Whittaker’s puts on its chocolate bar wrappers. People can buy them, or not, to support te reo maori week, or not.

But I do wonder why they’ve gone to all the trouble to add two new made-up words – I assume there’s no direct te reo translation for either creamy or milk, since early maori wouldn’t have had a clue what either was – and not also change the brand name to the maori-fied version: Witika.

I think there was a Tania Witika knocking around 30-odd years ago, so it’s hardly a new variation of Whittaker. I can only assume they don’t wish to be associated with that name, for some strange reason – which seems rather selective for a company embracing its whakapapa, and all that.
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September 5, 2022 3:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Please write another three paragraphs about something else about which you don’t care.
  
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  September 5, 2022 4:08pm
- tf78
  
  Te reo week started over a year ago and hasn’t stopped since, so there really is no longer such a thing. I don’t understand half of what’s said anymore and nor do I care to find out.
  
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  September 5, 2022 4:49pm
Ghost

Police have a suspect for last weeks shooting in Christchurch, damn, if I was a cop I wouldn’t want to approach him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300679595/extremely-dangerous-man-with-swastika-tattoos-on-face-wanted-over-christchurch-shooting

Police are hunting for an “extremely dangerous” man with a swastika tattoo on his face in relation to a shooting in Christchurch last week that saw a man injured in both legs.
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September 5, 2022 4:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Doesn’t seem to resemble the Nazis of yesteryears.
  
  Perhaps he’s one of those alt-right neo-Nazis I keep hearing about
  
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  September 5, 2022 4:19pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’m guessing he’s likely one of these alt-right neo-Nazis that have been told not to vote for national but to vote for labour because of what national would do to them….
    
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    September 5, 2022 4:27pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Don’t think he is a member of the Aryan Super Race
  
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  September 5, 2022 4:51pm
  - mandk
    
    Haven’t you heard?
    
    The white supremacists are very inclusive now.
    
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    September 5, 2022 5:26pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Timeline: So the Christchurch Shooting happened last Tuesday 30 August. At the time they said nothing about being a hard criminal, tattoos, gangs etc and simply said he wasn’t known to the victim and may be Maori or Pacifica.
  
  Today at 3:30 we hear theirs a cabinet meeting and Labour intend to crack down on Gangs.
  
  5pm Scary looking man with heaps of extreme gang and hate messages on his face is on the evening news
  
  Did the govt know this was going to be tonights news? Was the cabinet meeting announcement hours earlier in response to the disclosure that this guy is on the loose and his photo being shown? Why weren’t we warned he was on the loose the day after it happened?
  
  Also Police were appealing last week for two men that were seen, have they caught the other man?
  
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  September 5, 2022 5:24pm
kevn

@Ghost… Shouldn’t be hard to spot.
Making his mother and family proud.
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September 5, 2022 4:19pm
lemuzz

Flicked over to the standard for something to do on this cold wet day. Their comments, and what labour can do to win the next election

” So here’s three to start off the debate, in no particular order.
Free public transport for the first 4 stages. This supports national carbon goals, while not subsidising urban sprawl. It sustains that core Auckland and Wellington voter.
Pull GST back to 5%. This responds to inflation in food prices, as well as rolling back regressive taxation. It is an exceedingly expensive policy but a powerful one.
An extra $1,000 for every Kiwisaver. This supports stronger savings across the country.
While the government wraps up the remainder of its term with the RMA legislation, the 3 Waters programme, structural health reforms, and keeping more public health crises at bay, the Party needs pointy heads to make it attractive again.

What popular, progressive, specific policies will get Labour back for another term?”

They are getting desperate and can see the writing on the wall.
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September 5, 2022 5:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And who is going to climb up the money tree and collect all the $$$$$ to fund these lovely projects?
  
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  September 5, 2022 6:50pm
NZer In Exile

Here is a talk that is heavy going but well worth sticking with.

The Quantity of Metals Required to Manufacture Just One Generation of Renewable Technology to Phase Out Fossil Fuels:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/09/04/the-quantity-of-metals-required-to-manufacture-just-one-generation-of-renewable-technology-to-phase-out-fossil-fuels/

The source of this is The Geological Survey of Finland and the talk is by Simon Micheaux (expert in Physics, Geology and Mining). This is I believe a purely data-based and non-partisan summary of where the world is headed at the present moment in regards the “energy transition”. It’s sobering and illuminating.

If any Labour party (or woke National party) people are watching this and have more than two brain cells to rub together, please absorb this and think it over.
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September 5, 2022 6:42pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum reckons the only thing missing from this retards face is….

‘ARBEIT MACHT FREI’

https://twitter.com/chrislynchmedia/status/1566642264574533632

SHEESH!!
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September 5, 2022 7:05pm
- nathie
  
  So according to his tats he must be one of those “far-right white supremacists” both Stuff and Auckland Uni’s Department of Disinformation are warning us about???
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:45pm
70andstilllearning

Latest Roy Morgan Poll – Maori Party holds balance with 5 % of vote and 6 seats.

“New Zealand Government Confidence Rating drops 5pts to record low of 84.5 in August” – yet they still get 35% !!! 🙁
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September 5, 2022 7:53pm
Ghost

So a car comes up on the footpath, tries to run you over and the police don’t care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSnW9su1OL0

Auckland driver tries to run over Martin Devlin
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