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Lee C

Isn’t it funny how the NZ Herald labelled this guy as an ‘undesirable’ then was strangely silent when he got refused entry into NZ?
https://www.facebook.com/joinRebelNews/videos/1713061389051846
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September 3, 2022 8:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  They served the regime’s purpose, now they stand down because their job is done. That’s what Cindy’s $55m of our money bought her.
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:51am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I salute my fellow citizens. In the face of the worst Government in history a Government of command and control that has interfered in the lives and their very existence most have kept calm and carried on.
  In the great Kiwi tradition they have put their heads down and their bums up and got on with their lives as best as they could.
  One hopes enough of the Doubting Thomas’s come to their senses at Election 23 and throw out this bumch of haters, wreckers and sleaze bags.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:12am
  - blue collar
    
    Bravo last man !
    We did it , everyone is talking about when national get back in now , not even interested in this govt anymore .
    Brenda could say it’s green light tomorrow and only shop keepers would give a shit as they finally remove masks .
    They still won’t forgive her though , the rest of us hv been in green for ages .
    Poor rest home n health workers though
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:57am
igm

At least one vile Green has seen the light . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129765330/from-potential-environmental-activist-to-conspiracy-theorist-what-happened-to-hannah-spierer
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September 3, 2022 8:08am
- nathie
  
  Stuff’s/MSM’s problem seems to be they want to recast people (that don’t conform to Labour’s covid-19 narrative) as “far-right”.
  
  Wonder how (and when) they intend to recast the Hippies, Greenies, Hare Krishnas, Yoga/spiritual types, Maori sovereignty and general Maori people in general that attended the “Fire and Fury” Parliamentary Protests …. as “far-right”?
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:55am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    You don’t often hear the label Far Left used by the MSM.
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:10am
    - nathie
      
      Exactly, in theory using Stuff/MSM’s “standards” the term “Far-Left” should be applied to:
      
      The Greens, The Maori Party, The Alliance party, the Maori Sovereignty movement and their proponents eg Academic activists, Radicals, even the likes of Greenpeace, Forest and Bird (if not their members certainly their leadership), anti-mining protesters, the Peace movement, Global Warming Climate Change proponents (because they wish for intervention and de-powering people of their own free-will choices etc)!
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:30am
    - nathie
      
      Also how does Stuff/MSM explain aspects of Covid-19 overreach in countries with “right-wing” governments?
      
      Eg the UK’s Conservative govt under Boris Johnson during the C19 pandemic? Or the Australian LNP govt under Scott Morrison?
      
      Were the UK/Australian MSM recasting protesters there as (the opposite) like “far-left”? Or not even “far-right”?
      
      Or is it that the UK/Australian MSM has more “maturity” and simply doesn’t recast people with childish simplistic terms as “far-right” (and instead describe them as they are … “anti covid mandate protesters” (or suchlike) for example?
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:37am
- Ra Henare
  
  Like many university studenst. After being student socialists/environmentalists etc. They enter the real world and find that the student beliefs were just that, beliefs.
  The real world is different. Then they change their mind.
  Great example is Thomas Sowell.
  https://sowell.org/about
  From Marxist to non capitalist after working for a relatively short time in the real world.
  
  Funny how stuff and other MSM never find any candidates normal. They either are far right(whatever that means) or conspiracy theorists.
  
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  September 3, 2022 12:08pm
  - artemisia
    
    Didn’t take long for ours to change their mind after entering the commercial world. Those that went into teaching or central / local government – not so much.
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:08pm
Tony Stuart

Have all those people who accused Cameron Slater or his associates of fabricating the infamous Interpol Wellington email apologised yet? Or because they’re all lefties, do they get a free pass?

In any event, I’d far rather the Police focus on catching ramraiders and gang shooters than conduct a witchhunt into who leaked an email. The more salient point is this – who directed that the email be sent?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/police-seeking-mole-who-leaked-sensitive-email-to-right-wing-blogger/MSKMMRZKLKCISCIBSNFGW7IG2U/
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September 3, 2022 8:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Slater is a vile piece of excrement, but it is not impossible for him to occasionally be right about something rather than making his usual fabrications and smears to make money.
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You’ve been looking in the mirror again, eh milkey? One difference though, you’ve never been right!
    
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    September 3, 2022 8:28am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      You are possibly ignorant (as you seem to be on many subjects) of Cameron’s Slater’s very long history of lying about people for money. Which lies led to bankruptcy, loss of the website, health problems and much, much whining from him.
      
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      September 3, 2022 8:37am
      - Prince
        
        His problem was the money didn’t come from the Govt. National missed a ‘Public Interest Funding’ trick there.
        
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        September 3, 2022 9:34am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True Prince. The national government only helped Slater by feeding him scoops and advance copies of others’ OIA requests.
        
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        September 3, 2022 10:53am
      - Prince
        
        Which of course Labour has never done.
        Count the number of Labour Party staffers who used to be ‘journalists’.
        Very cosy.
        
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        September 3, 2022 11:53am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Or the number of former Labour Party staffers/insiders who are regularly whistled up by media outlets to give their “unbiased” opinions. Neale Jones, Shane Te Pou, Hayden Munro, Clint Smith and even former Labour presidents Mike Williams and Nigel Haworth certainly fit the bill.
        
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        September 3, 2022 12:22pm
  - Nickc2
    
    In whose best interest was it to have NZ Police (Interpol) investigate these two Journos? I don’t believe Interpol NZ investigates every Journo visiting NZ with a view to denying entry. This type of investigation requires a trigger.
    Are we still allowed to draw our own conclusions?
    
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    September 3, 2022 8:34am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol mike, I’m sure you think that everyone involved in the main stream media are the same, given that they do exactly the same thing to make money.
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So is Cindy
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:40pm
- Philview
  
  The amount of media focus on Gloriavale in recent weeks. Despite the unpleasantness of what happens there, the affected ladies have grown into good people. I contrast with the children doing ramraids and lack of media interest in that story and failed parenting that is happening.
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:21am
  - Ghost
    
    The ram raids are in the news a lot, far more than the child abuse that goes on at Gloriavale
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:09am
    - kowtow
      
      Only from a prurient point of view. It’s just like their crash porn,which they serve up daily too.
      
      There’s no real analysis or context .
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s a witch hunt .
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:33am
    - kiwimike
      
      deserved I say.
      
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      September 3, 2022 9:51am
      - kowtow
        
        Plenty of much bigger , national interest, fish to fry .
        
        Why pick on these . Not to mention the out of proportionality of the whole thing . It’s an unhealthy obsession.
        
        Why the silence on the current political donations trial ? Where’s the reporting on that ?That’s about issues fundamental to our democarcy .
        
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        September 3, 2022 9:57am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s a shame that more media outlets don’t concentrate on what kowtow thinks are the important things. Reporting on institutionalized abuse by a cult that pretends to follows Jesus’ teachings is so lame in comparison.
        
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        September 3, 2022 10:56am
      - rouppe
        
        You’re right, mikenmildagain.
        
        Equal attention should be given to those hiding behind, and delaying, oia’s while professing to be the most open, honest and transparent government ever.
        
        Or those who make loads of noise about Uffindel while having swept under the carpet sexual adults within their party.
        
        Stuff like that.
        
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        September 3, 2022 12:56pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The Cooperites deserve everything they get from media etc, it’s an ugly cult set up to service the pleasures of middle aged men (like most cults) by screwing (sometimes literally) everyone else. Particularly abhorrent is their practice of ostracising those that leave and limiting kids options by not educating them.
    
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    September 3, 2022 12:18pm
- Souvlaki
  
  I agree Tony….all genuinely suspicious. The media should dig into this more closely.
  Fisher has had a running feud with Slater for years …..I think “Kim Dotcom’s hagiographer” was one apt moniker Slater tossed at Fisher🤣
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Fisher is the lowest form of pond scum in NZ media, and that is some achievement. All he has done for the last 2 years is throw baseless accusations at anyone and everyone who isn’t on board with the “single source of truth.” A vile, nasty piece of work.
    
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    September 3, 2022 8:52am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Skater posted a message on Twitter he had received from Fisher the other day. Fisher wanted more information about the source of the email and whether it was kosher. Slater’s reply was succinct; two words, the first of which was “Get”…
      
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      September 3, 2022 9:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nice typo
        
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        September 3, 2022 9:42am
    - David Garrett
      
      Clan: I’m not sure I would go as far as you, but he is certainly a leftie shill.
      
      After my political downfall he accused me of hypocrisy for speaking against name suppression in the House…I could not and did not do that, because I had benefited from suppression in the passport scan.
      
      I told Fisher if he could find something in Hansard evidencing that I had ever spoken against name suppression I’d give him $500. I didn’t even get the courtesy of an apology after his inevitably fruitless search.
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:51am
Gravelroad

You would have thought that Mr Biden, controlled by his teams of handlers and PR spinners, might have learnt from the Hilary Clinton “deplorables” moment.
I don’t know why they keep on giving Trump all this free profile and marketing. If he is as bad and dangerous to democracy as is being claimed, why not just freeze him out with indifference?
What I do know is that people are tired of having their personal political beliefs and intentions rubbished by the liberal elites.
Name calling and insulting potential voters didn’t work for H. Clinton.
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September 3, 2022 8:21am
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, that contrived lighting behind Biden was dictator-like. The mistake his handlers made was trying to make him out to be a force to be reckoned with. Biden is a frail and confused old man but whoever administered the medication before he went onto the podium knew what they doing. By all accounts Hitler in his dying days was ‘boosted’ by his good doctor before public appearances.
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:30am
  - David Garrett
    
    Inand: Not quite…Hitler only ever made ONE appearance during his dying days holed up in the bunker, and his left hand was shaking uncontrollably despite whatever the quack Dr Morrell had given him.
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:53am
    - Matt Long
      
      Yes DG but as the war progressed he was loaded with more and more drugs to keep up his performance I believe.
      
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      September 3, 2022 12:19pm
    - kowtow
      
      Brilliantly portrayed in the movie Downfall.
      
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      September 3, 2022 1:39pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Weren’t all the senior Nazis on amphetamines? (as well as Blitzkrieging soldiers) – and hadn’t theie supply failed at that point?
    
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    September 3, 2022 12:21pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      FWIW I think they were handed out like lollies to US bonber crews as well. Something to do with staying awake on long missions …..
      
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      September 3, 2022 12:40pm
      - rouppe
        
        Correct. And also fighter pilots in order to keep the required aggression and risk taking behavior elevated over multiple daily sorties
        
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        September 3, 2022 1:01pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Not so much multiple sorties – more the 8+ hours or so that a Mustang flew as an escort fighter over Germany … solo pilot – peeing into a tube that could freeze up – no diapers – hard to free up a hand to get a sammy out of the bag ….
        
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        September 3, 2022 5:33pm
    - curry4me
      
      Some Stuka pilots, and tankers were using Pervitin which is an amphetamine during the Battle of France. Some ran amok. the Whermact, and Luftwaffe were more sparing in their use of the stuff later. One well known pilot in 1943, was flying A Messerschmit 109 G from Sicily to Sardinia, and back. On the return leg, he was feeling a bit tired. So he took three tabs and had an out of body eperience. He did get home safely. The Medical Officer wasn’t best pleased. He should only have taken one.
      
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      September 3, 2022 2:31pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Because… Having a villian makes it more plausible Biden will get more votes in an election, via the meme that Trump is so vile it mobilised those who normally dont vote, disgusted republicans switching sides etc…
  
  It gives camoflauge to dodgy voting practises….
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:34am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Just need to look at Trump’s achievements during his presidency despite a rabidly anti media. Did he behave as Biden & his puppeteers describe him, or was he a man of the people? Let the American people decide, without the lies, smears and legal attacks, and employing the paid for FBI & DoJ to attempt to convict him on ‘trumped-up’ charges.
    
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    September 3, 2022 12:12pm
    - Drone
      
      But did he actually achieve anything apart from marketing red MAGA baseball caps..
      
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      September 3, 2022 5:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  If the president won’t speak out against existential threats to democracy in the united states (such threats including, for example, promising to pardon people who violently attempted to overthrow the government), who will?
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    As per usual, you don’t get the point.
    
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    September 3, 2022 8:51am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Republicans are an existential threat to democracy mike? Someone needs to destroy all your leftist kool-aid.
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:05am
    - quarterpack
      
      Threat to democracy…definition?
      When a mob attempts to storm a democratic institution , enabled and encouraged by a Republican President embittered by the fact he has just been booted out of office. What would the United State look like had they prevailed that day, lynched Pence, reinstated Trump? Who would even bother holding elections when you’ve got a guy as capable as Trump and his family running the country
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:11am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Exactly.
        
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        September 3, 2022 10:41am
      - Simon
        
        Lol what a fantasy. No one is being charged with your imagined crime. MSM assigned your opinion
        
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        September 3, 2022 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        The demonstration was mostly peaceful with a few agitators thrown in. Unlike the Antifa and blm riots.
        
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        September 3, 2022 10:53am
      - Don Beckett
        
        And the agitators were FBI plants, Antifa & BLM infiltrators. Heaps of evidence to support those claims.
        
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        September 3, 2022 12:14pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Except Trump didn’t encourage or enable anyone to “storm a democratic institution” quarterpack, you have made that up. And the rest of your comment is conjecture and opinion. What would the US look like if Biden mobilises the US Army to round up Republicans and put them in internment camps? What would the world look like if the Sun stops burning?
        
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        September 3, 2022 12:20pm
      - kowtow
        
        ghost
        
        ‘Unlike the Antifa and blm riots.’
        
        You mustn’t have got the memo.
        
        The US msm describe burn loot murder as “social justice protests”.
        
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        September 3, 2022 1:42pm
      - Ghost
        
        Certainly seems it, I saw an article the other day where a children’s drag show was being guarded by armed Antifa people.
        
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        September 3, 2022 1:44pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        sorry a report by mistake
        
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        September 3, 2022 3:37pm
  - kowtow
    
    The President is actively undermining democracy by flooding the country with illegal immigrants. Note how little is said in the Media about that particular illegal ploy ( as opposed to the so called insurrection)
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:19am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, the Democrats are running very scared. They will be a spent force come the Midterms.
      It’s a bit like our Govt really, where their lying, cheating, and corruption have caught up with them no matter how their pet Journos try to spin things in their favour.
      
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      September 3, 2022 9:30am
    - Paulus
      
      Somehow do these Illegals get to vote – it seems anybody can irrespective of identity of anything substantial.
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:24am
      - kowtow
        
        They will eventually get the vote and those millions , literally , will swing the US further and further to the far left .
        
        At the moment the Presidency can depend on a few thousand votes here and there .
        
        What difference the millions will make!
        
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        September 3, 2022 11:16am
    - artemisia
      
      And some border states are quietly bussing undocumented to sanctuary cities – Washington DC, NYC, Chicago. Thousands of them. Mayors of NYC and Chicago are not happy. At all.
      
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      September 3, 2022 1:54pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      Instead of a mistake report…..just like the Freedom Protest in Wellington. Bad guys brought in to make them look bad
      
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      September 3, 2022 3:38pm
  - Prince
    
    The whole ‘Presidential Pardon’ rort is corrupt, no matter who wields it.
    Anyone for draining that swamp ?
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:39am
- kowtow
  
  Didn’t take long for “The Great Uniter” to turn into the Angry Insulter .
  
  All he’s doing though is showing his true colours , in a very fascist manner , very un American .
  
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  September 3, 2022 8:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The same playbook as Ardern’s. “Team of 5 million” and “most transparent government ever” quickly became “rivers of filth” and “far right extremists.”
    
    Divide and rule. Nasty, nasty lefties.
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:08am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I agree that Hilary Clintons use of the Deplorables moniker was at best, ill advised. It was certainly exclusionary, and served as much as anything to swing the election in Trumps favour.
  
  However, since that time, the behavior of the worst of the Trump supporters, culminating in the Jan 6 events at the US Capitol, should be addressed. What the Dems are blind to, or at least won’t admit publicly, is the role they played in fomenting that behavior.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:04am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Now that we can see what the MSM can do to twist the facts though……….
    
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    September 3, 2022 3:40pm
- MCōs
  
  “Name calling and insulting potential voters” is common on this very forum even if it is usually a bad move by politicians.
  Chris Luxon bent over backwards avoiding expressing his true opinion of Tamaki and the Freedoms NZ coalition party, but he was backed into a corner and finally admitted he thinks they are crazy.
  He must have weighed the odds and figured not ruling them out was a real vote loser, but calling them crazy is putting it out there!!
  I note he’s never called the Greens or the Maori Party crazy. Or Winston.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:11am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I agree with you there, MCos.
    For a senior politician to publicly describe a set of voters as “crazy” is demeaning.
    I was surprised to see Mr Luxon stooping to that level.
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:26am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It is nice, though, to see strong, and correct, bipartisan consensus that Freedoms NZ is a collection of crazy people.
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:46am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        There are many in NZ who believe that anyone who supports Labour is crazy mike. Think on that.
        
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        September 3, 2022 12:22pm
    - MCōs
      
      I didn’t say it was demeaning. It’s dubious politics and rarely helps one’s cause.
      
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      September 3, 2022 11:20am
  - Its only I
    
    Is the real problem what he said or why he folded and accepted being led around by the Labour/MSN nose tongs and commented?
    
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    September 3, 2022 6:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Democrats are running out of ideas to prevent The Don running in 2024.
  Short of assassination he is coming back, then De Santis in 2028.
  Joe is not up to it, but if Killary runs there will be some very serious skulduggery.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Saw a piece the other day suggesting that it is not in Trump’s financial interest to run, as under the campaign finance laws he would lose control of much of the funds donated by ~~the rubes~~ supporters.
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:49am
    - Simon
      
      “Saw a piece”. Lol your opinion was being assigned to you.
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump would have made much more money if he did not run in 2016. But he did it for America, he loves the Country and detests the small group of ‘Elites’ The only funds he may lose now are those intended for the RINOs as they fall.
      Oh, welcome back from your reprogramming course.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58
      
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      September 3, 2022 12:58pm
      - Its only I
        
        Trump is actually broke. Like any cult he runs off donations.
        
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        September 3, 2022 6:41pm
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest the Democrats would be quite happy if Trump runs in 2024, but not so much if Biden does.
    I’m picking neither of them will be their party’s nominee.
    
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    September 3, 2022 11:30am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Could be correct. He will be watching the polls & attendance at his rallies – also if the Dems can make any of their false claims stick. If he doesn’t tho’ he will be the power behinf de Santis.
      
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      September 3, 2022 12:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Killary is lurking in the shadows, but if she ran and lost again it would be too much. A quivering mental case.
      
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      September 3, 2022 1:01pm
- kiwimike
  
  Bidens message was to his base and for the historical moment on the msm.
  tell a lie long enough.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:52am
  - Matt Long
    
    When Trump came back from bankruptcy it was to stick it to all the people who had kicked him when he was down, he’ll run all right, and at this point there’s no Republican that can defeat him in a primary.
    The Dems are as bad as Jacinda is here, so the Don has a fair chance of a second term. Milky and Batty will go sick with it, can’t wait for the outraged self pity.
    
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    September 3, 2022 12:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike and Batman will explode with TDS – can’t wait.
      Think with Trump is they kick him when he is down, but he fights back and wins in the end. That is what makes left heads explode. Right now he is exposing and getting rid of RINOS – they are a big problem.
      
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      September 3, 2022 1:05pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        “Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
        Sun Tzu
        
        #thebestisyettocome
        
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        September 3, 2022 1:44pm
      - Lee C
        
        That will be as a handful of dust in a hurricane copared to how DPF will take the news…
        
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        September 3, 2022 2:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Dems are using more and more war-like language in their propaganda to justify and soften up population for likely increasingly fascistic measures to ensure they ‘win’ next election/s. Expect increased censorship and cancellations for individuals and organizations that don’t submit to the regime and persecution of opposition and lawfare to target individual political opponents (as we are already seeing).
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:56am
- oldfella
  
  The Babylon Bee nails Biden to the wall. Ouch!
  https://babylonbee.com/
  
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  September 3, 2022 1:35pm
- virtualmark
  
  Wow,
  
  The “f&ck your feelings” “Biden is doddery” “Let’s go Brandon” crowd sure are upset that Joe Biden said some mean things about them and hurt their fee fees.
  
  Maybe that’s because deep down they know he was right.
  
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  September 3, 2022 5:34pm
  - virtualmark
    
    It’s also surprising how many people here:
    (a) hate “Antifa”, and then
    (b) get the vapours if someone suggests the political party they support has developed fascist leanings.
    
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    September 3, 2022 5:51pm
Paulus

Stephen Joyce’s Herald article about the sheer incompetence and arrogance of this Liabour Government is well worth reading – but of course it is hidden behind their premium – ie hidden and paid for by the Government.
Robertson is a ………………..amongst other things
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September 3, 2022 8:29am
- MCōs
  
  It’s only hidden from those who don’t want to pay.
  Innumerable publications work on a subscription basis or are riddled with advertising or financed by vested interests.
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:38am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Some muppet thinks that public sector jobs don’t compete on salary and benefits to private sector jobs.

On the contrary. In Wellington it’s all but impossible to hire out of the public sector; the wages are too high and the conditions too easy. A close family member was offered a marketing graduate role paying $82k.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129723607/heavy-job-churn-in-public-sector-amid-pay-freezes-cost-of-living-crisis
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September 3, 2022 8:42am
- Pavel
  
  Isn’t it strange how the private sector can’t get workers for anything yet when the government needs 700 people to dish out the cost of living payment they can find and hire them within a week.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:23am
  - pdm
    
    Pav – they just whip through the Labour Party Membership lists and then to Junior Labour lists if they need more.
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:04am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Recruiters in Auckland say Auckland Council pay 30% plus for jobs compared to the private sector. AC is competing using ratepayers hard earned dollars.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yep, public service HR has free money to play with, as much as they want.
    The more staff, the more outrageous the pay scale the more the CEO gets.
    Imagine a private sector CE being rewarded more for wasting more of the company resources.
    
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    September 3, 2022 12:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Being paid more than the private sector for very little work
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  For the past 35 years we have encouraged a system where public sector agencies ‘compete’ against each other to hire public servants. This is supposed to encourage the efficient management of resources.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:52am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Actually the more bureaucrats can spend, the more they earn. That is the entire driving force of the “public service”.
    
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    September 3, 2022 11:13am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I think the private sector works on something similar. CEO remuneration justified by the size of the operation eg the 5m or so that the Dutchman got for being at the top of Telecom ….
      
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      September 3, 2022 5:39pm
- Tempist
  
  This will be public servants moving between departments to get around the Government’s pay restraint. Turnover will be measured on a individual department basis, not within the Public Service in total.
  
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  September 3, 2022 12:29pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/steven-joyce-what-kiwisaver-stuff-up-says-about-the-state-of-the-government/JEJMRAWHAFVIG74P2QBR5YUQE4/

Steven Joyce, (obvious) comment of the day…
“The Prime Minister is certainly adept at arguing black is white and that failure to deliver is the result of aspiration”

She defends her failures by claiming her intentions are noble and she wouldn’t change them. Such as her recent rubbish with Jack Tame. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1saq0E0l9E

18:45 , Ardern claims aspiration is what counts, completely avoids explaining her failure to implement. Hui but no doey! Whats the point?
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September 3, 2022 8:46am
- pdm
  
  Surf – Ardern never takes responsibility for anything bad.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:07am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The point is she has female airheads who swallow the aspiration and ignore the implementation. Especially female journalists.
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:10am
- Ian Boag
  
  As far as one can tell, National is aspiring to cut taxes. They will probably succeed. Go figure.
  
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  September 3, 2022 1:43pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  A snippet from Steven Joyce’s piece. None of the options he suggests are particularly flattering to Labour and the PM:
  
  One popular explanation for this state of affairs is the Government has given up and have stopped caring what people think. This theory goes that they know they are on their way out and have stopped trying to politically manage things, content to shovel decisions through and get as much as possible done before they are turfed out. Weak governments can get to that point, but I don’t think we are quite there yet, and no government would damn the torpedoes for the sake of $200 million and the tidy minds at the IRD.
  
  A second one could be political arrogance. There is every sign the Government believes its own BS to an unwarranted degree, so maybe it thought it could spin its way through this issue in the same way as it has so many others. The Prime Minister is certainly adept at arguing black is white and that failure to deliver is the result of aspiration, so there’s plenty of evidence for this theory.
  
  An even more likely possibility is that ministers are getting completely out of touch with the public they serve. There is a very long series of announcements suggesting that is the case. The TVNZ-RNZ merger, the bike bridge, Three Waters, Trevor Mallard’s appointment to Ireland and his pending knighthood, the bank credit changes, immigration policy, and industry pay bargaining are some that leap to mind. They are either completely inexplicable (think GST on KiwiSaver), or clearly designed to serve a part of Labour’s power base to the bemusement or downright hostility of the general public. If you make enough unpopular decisions you can kid yourself that any negative feedback is par for the course.
  
  Whatever the final cause of the Government’s awry political antennae, it appears very likely the die has been cast and the public have made up their minds about this lot, and ministers increasingly know it.
  
  For the evidence of that, see Grant Robertson’s regular personal attacks on Opposition leader Christopher Luxon. It is likely Robertson realises the public’s perception of his government as out of touch and ineffective is now baked in, and the only chance they have of surviving next year is to make the alternative government look as shop-worn as their crowd.
  
  The man speaks a whole lot of sense, methinks.
  
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  September 3, 2022 3:00pm
ClanMcleod

The Biden speech the other night claiming Trump and his supporters are a threat to “freedom” and the “American Way” was a dystopian nightmare. The imagery used was as disturbing as it was deliberate.
El gato malo does a great summary of it, I can’t recommend it enough.
The set of the speech was a straight copy of the Chancellor’s speech in V for Vendetta.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/philadelphia-brandon-and-the-template?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

As in NZ, this is deliberate policy, divide and rule. It is dangerous politics and it is being practiced here by Ardern. She is destroying this country.
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September 3, 2022 8:50am
- Pavel
  
  His speech was basically saying if you’re not a Democrat supporter your a threat to democracy. Sounded like a speech Hitler would of given. 70 million voted for Trump. That speech was extremely divisive and dangerous. So much for him uniting the country.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:26am
  - kowtow
    
    If you don’t support me you ain’t black.
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Blacks are leaving the Plantation.
      See Candace Owens on Turning Point USA.
      https://www.facebook.com/realCandaceOwens/videos/1687554581293251/
      
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      September 3, 2022 9:59am
  - Pavel
    
    It kind of reminds me of when Saddam Huissen took over in Iraq. He called a meeting of all politicians and those who disagreed with him taking over, and his parties policies, were taken out the back door and shot. He, like Joe Biden, considered them to be a danger to his idea of democracy too.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kLUktJbp2Ug
    
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    September 3, 2022 11:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Destroying the Country, and she is just getting started. Realising she is a gonner, Jaspinda will do the same as Clark and Cullen did. Leave a festering mess for the new Govt, all out of SPITE.
  The evil woman is going to fuck NZ over real bad.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:55am
  - blue collar
    
    She can try steveo but the people will stop her . The tide is turning and even with a majority I think we willl see pushback from behind the scenes power players keeping their powder dry , national and act will do a clean out , they know they hv to choose the incoming side , and show support to stay in their roles
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:07am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Clarrk and Cullen. Left us with essentially zero net government debt, Kiwisaver, the Super Fund. Could have been worse I suppose.
    
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    September 3, 2022 1:45pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Yawn. Baked in structural deficits based on implemented WFF policy plus other jack ups of Government spending… to the extent Cullen the prick gloated the cupboards were bare when leaving office.
      
      Ian – you can praise Clarks ministry as much as you like but the truth is they squandered a lot of the gains made under the tough policies of the Lange through Bolger/Shipley ministries.
      
      They inherited a tidy situation and rode an offshore fueled economic boom and proceeded to destroy the framework that made NZs economy a success.
      
      Michael Cullen is praised by the people but ultimately he was a Leftie wrecker in a nice suit
      
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      September 3, 2022 3:16pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Lol Ian, yeah, paid debt off. And left enough money for the Government to function for 3 months. And Cullen bragged about it. It’s like you using all your money to pay your mortgage and not leaving anything for food. But being a leftie, that will make sense to you.
      
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      September 3, 2022 4:36pm
- Master Mariner
  
  My thinking too.
  The imagery…..
  Only if Goebbels had LEDS.
  He would of been proud.
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:01am
kowtow

Article in Ferald about Reserve Bank board appointments.

Treasury and old board chairman were concerned about a lack of “diversity” .

Any wonder the economy is going down the gurgler.

Diversity trumps competence?
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September 3, 2022 8:56am
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, colour and gender will outscore experience and qualifications every time in Cindystan eh?
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:05am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Going to borrow that
    
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    September 3, 2022 3:47pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Diversity used too mean a diverse range of ideas and opinions.
  It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the word has changed meaning.
  We really need it to go back to its original meaning for any measure if success.
  Semantics is a strange thing and never thought different idealogical groups would hace far different meanings.
  I dont know about others but i find this fascinating.
  I guess this comes from having a multi national crew and religions / languages.
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:07am
In Vino Veritas

More hilarious is the fact that Trump was laughed at by the German Government and the US Democrats when he warned the Germans that they were totally reliant on Russian energy and it might well end in tears. Lo and behold, the Russians stopped supplying Germany for a few days. Bloody hilarious.
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September 3, 2022 9:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He couldn’t have been any cleared, but the nutty greenies laughed at him.
  
  https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-warns-germany-could-become-reliant-on-russian-energy/29509218.html
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:16am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Nordstream closed indefinitely now because of an oil leak in a pumping Turbine.
    Sure, there’s a ‘leak’…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11174105/Gazprom-fully-stops-Nord-Stream-gas-supply-indefinitely-Putin-piles-pressure-Europe.html
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:19am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Ok. Maybe sent Air NZ engineers over as they are good at working on Turbines such as the KSA warship.
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      September 3, 2022 11:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They laughed because he is ‘Trump’ What he said was irrelevant, irrelevant until it was too late.
  Trump is a businessman, he knows how these big things work.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:03am
- curry4me
  
  Yup! I guess they aren’t laughing now. No LNG reception terminal. A slight shorage of gas, reopening coal mines, and looking forward to a winter of cold showers, and chilblains. I wonder if there will be another ‘coldest winter in years’? Like 1812, and 1941? Not the best time to be selling ‘global warming, ‘climate change’, ‘climate emergency’, ‘man,bear,pig’ etc. Will the Extinction Rebellion go extinct?
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:41am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Personally Im looking at how they will describe the weather forecasts.
    Gone will be ” The Rivers of Hot Air” to Rivers of Ice.
    From that persective it will be interesting and damaging too the climate terrorists.
    
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    September 3, 2022 11:41am
    - curry4me
      
      I think ‘rivers of ice’ will do for ‘globull warming’ what reality did for ‘globull cooling’. Chillblains, and cold showers will hasten the process. Meanwhile, the cultists will double down.
      
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      September 3, 2022 2:42pm
- kowtow
  
  We’re not immune .
  
  Latest trade deficit we’re running partly made up of petrol and non fuel crude imports.
  
  Meanwhile Australia export surplus going gangbusters driven by coal, wheat,gold and lng.
  
  Story buried deep in the business pages .
  
  What really matters ? A football coach’s career.
  Squirrel .
  
  Worst govt ever.
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:13am
Alex

Aren’t National shooting themselves in the foot,calling the Tamaki’s and their followers “Crazy”. Some are them may even have been a Potential National supporters or are already.
Just dividing people for the sake of it is silly.
I would say National had more in common with the Christians than Labour whom they try to ape.
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September 3, 2022 9:12am
- kowtow
  
  Tamakis followers are very much a fringe .
  
  Between his initial comments and his latest statement Te Reo’s focus groups will have confirmed this and having that info to hand he can safely make the latest announcement.
  
  I wonder if he’ll force an apology from Brownlee for sounding so Xi friendly , Brownlee gives a very poor look to the Nats who do suffer from a pro Beijing image.
  
  Afterall Lux did it to Simeon .
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:47am
  - G152
    
    Tamaki followers are another Gloriavale in the making
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:50am
    - Matt Long
      
      They’re as similar as chalk and cheese. You could suggest similarities between Destiny and the Plymouth folk Aunty Helen got depersoned for daring to criticise the toxic greens but even that’s drawing a long bow.
      
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      September 3, 2022 12:42pm
  - JJ56
    
    Brownlee made the mistake of trying to address a complex issue when being questioned by purveyors of click bait.
    
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    September 3, 2022 4:06pm
Gravelroad

Totally adore her’: David Lomas lifts the lid on his captivating romance

This Women’s weekly story currently resides under a big red headline banner on $tuff.
Having never heard of David Lomas, I had a look to see why his totally adoring his partner, Clarinda , warranted such prominence.
Still don’t know.
The media people seem to have lost all sense of reality.
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September 3, 2022 9:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  Correction : NZ Herald not $tuff.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:16am
  - quarterpack
    
    The fact you have never heard of David Lomas is of note?
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:24am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I have an enquiring mind – quarterpack.
      This was a red banner headline on NZ’s largest newspaper, so I thought I would read it and maybe learn something about someone obviously deemed important enough to warrant that exposure.
      So,what is your point, exactly?
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:57am
      - blue collar
        
        He’s the dude who hooks up long lost family members , has a show on tv .
        Totally agree gravel , he’s a nice guy that does good BUT WHO GIVES A FUCK ?
        
        should be filed under the gossip pages in entertainment, NOT a major headline of so called NEWS .
        
        BLUE COLLAR CRACKED A FAT FIVE TIGERS COULDNT CHEW !!
        Quick , major national news , ring the herald 😅
        
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        September 3, 2022 2:40pm
thirteenstars

Following Biden’s nasty and divisive speech yesterday where he was flanked by two US Marines and poured vitriol upon huge swathes of the American populace, Senator John Kennedy gave a succinct rebuttal:

I’d make three points. Number one, after listening to the president’s speech, I really understand why it’s an unassailable fact that age does not guarantee wisdom. Number two … Biden, we saw last night, was really every inch ‘Joe Biden the Politician.’ His speech was a very cynical attempt to fill our heads with stupid.

And number three… He could’ve talked about crime; inflation; learning loss by our children; the mountains of fentanyl coming across the border, killing our teenagers. Instead, he chose to say to the American people, if you don’t agree with me about higher taxes, more government; if you don’t agree with me that moms are ‘birthing people;’ if you don’t agree with me that government has a constitutional right to talk to your 5-year-old about sexuality, you’re a bad person, and you’re not even an American.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/09/02/john-kennedy-biden-speech-maga-republicans-reaction/

The speech would have given all TDS sufferers a thrill up the leg but fortunately such people are as rare as true right-wing nutjobs, so instead Biden had to target a broad sweep of ordinary people who realise the Western world is failing due to a kind of mass insanity and the likes of Biden are fiddling while Rome burns.
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September 3, 2022 9:29am
nathie

Wonder when the Opposition or someone or MSM will OIA the PM and her Office on how many times, and the reasons for her undertaking school visits?

Wouldn’t be surprised if the ratio of school visits to anything else such as businesses will be rather high (especially compared to past leaders).

The other newsworthy aspect is, what are her reasons for doing so?

To escape scrutiny? Suggest maybe not because the accompanying MSM press pack can still ask her hard questions (even if the audience won’t)?

For mental health reasons? Suggest more likely, after all it’s probably “therapeutic” meeting happy, singing children’s classes … but doesn’t that also suggest the PM cannot handle the pressure of her role then if so shouldn’t she resign as PM and let someone else from Labour take over?

After all Ardern is frequently “missing in action” day after day and surely Labour owes it to NZ’ers to have someone available and answerable to both the MSM and nation, like Helen Clark (and John Key) were?
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September 3, 2022 9:35am
- Ghost
  
  When is she missing in action? She always seems to be doing a press meeting
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:39am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m informed she’s being kept away from question time as much as possible by her minders these days because she’s about to crack up.
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:44am
    - Ghost
      
      She is at questions time Tuesday and Wednesday, she isn’t being kept away.
      
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      September 3, 2022 9:45am
    - pdm
      
      nick – are they getting questions for her moved to other Ministers to protect her?
      
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      September 3, 2022 10:13am
      - Nickc2
        
        I don’t know at this point in time. However, it wouldn’t surprise me given Labour’s Dirty Tricks Dept.
        
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        September 3, 2022 11:24am
      - Ghost
        
        I’d say no, usually when a question is moved the opposition ask for it to be moved back, haven’t heard them doing that
        
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        September 3, 2022 11:35am
    - David Garrett
      
      Nick: She has supposedly been “about to crack up” for years…just as that chap John Keys had to resign because a major scandal was about to break…We are still waiting for that.
      
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      September 3, 2022 11:17am
    - mawm
      
      Nickc2 – I watch very little of Jacinda but having watched her denying involvement in blocking Avi Yemini to Sean Plunkett I would say that her body language and facial expressions were not those of a normal sane person.
      
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      September 3, 2022 2:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Press meeting at schools
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:06am
    - Nickc2
      
      I guess she’s having difficulty in distinguishing between Kindy Kids and those in her office and on her front bench. Dr. Sharma could cure her but she’s too afraid to ask him given that he hasn’t crawled out from under the bus yet.
      
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      September 3, 2022 11:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes,
  She’s not the Minister of Education.
  
  I wonder how many schools/ child care centres Chris Hipkins has visited recently.
  
  There is something freakingly weird with how Ardern has politicised her attendance at school and pre-schools.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She plants seeds
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:59am
- Paulus
  
  She visits as many primary schools as she can as then she cannot be seen anywhere else, or answer any intelligent questions !
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:30am
Tom Hunter

A good roundup of reactions to Biden’s horrendous speech. I liked these two in particular:

We are in the American version of the late Brezhnev era. “Led” by a doddering, paranoid, angry fool with aspirations to be a dictator and a sprawling unaccountable bureaucracy all too willing to prop him up.

… and….

“Joe Biden’s address in Philadelphia tonight is one of the most menacing, bitter, angry and divisive speeches in modern US political history. Hard to believe that a US president can stoop to this level, condemning tens of millions of Americans as enemies and a threat to democracy.”

But I still like “Staging by Leni Riefenstahl”, which has it exactly right.

Paradoxically the only good news for Biden may be that the three major TV networks declined to carry it live. It means the Biden team who crafted this insanity at the Hall of Independence, may actually be able to memory-hole it.
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September 3, 2022 9:36am
- MCōs
  
  This bloke has a few points https://twitter.com/traecrowder/status/1565809538925662209?s=21&t=8qmZfHjAKwGAwfRYaGH-Yw
  
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  September 3, 2022 12:11pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Obviously a left Biden psychophant?
    
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    September 3, 2022 1:11pm
Suze Wainwright

I hope none of those high school students filmed on social media in a brutal brawl are thinking about becoming public officials in 20 years time, aye
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September 3, 2022 9:44am
- pdm
  
  Suze -Mallard followers doing their apprenticeships.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep the thug was arrested at parliament during a protest and his acquittal formed part of the case law making it a right for NZers to protest there.
    
    yet he turned the state apparatus in a violent manifestation on protesters there himself .
    
    And been rewarded with a shockingly comfy sinecure and no doubt a knighthood to follow.
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:03pm
- Matt Long
  
  They’ll be alright if they are in media approved partys.
  
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  September 3, 2022 12:45pm
Prince

I have to admit this flew under my radar, but I heard there was some chat about Marama Davidson standing on the steps of Parliament advertising Whitakers chocolate.
Ardern mentioned something about this being contrary to the Cabinet manual.
Can anyone tell me what the outcome was ? Was Davidson officially warned ? What was her response ? Is she still a minister ? Did Whitakers donate the chocolate bars ? Do they donate to the Green Party ?
Or was this just another step towards corruption to be greeted with a shrug of the shoulders by Ardern and her fan club.
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September 3, 2022 9:51am
- Ghost
  
  She was made to change her vulgar post about it
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/marama-davidson-told-off-for-whittakers-post-but-which-other-ministers-have-promoted-products-on-social-media/FJ4BHPL747G2KAV3ZBGIVXVCTA/
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  Don’t know .
  
  But it shows how the culture wars in the extreme left trumps their fake eco environmental so called credentials .
  
  I thought that dairy farmers were evil and all cows were to be slaughtered to prevent occasional showers and to protect the exploited cocao labourers of west Africa.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:04am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It’s confusing, isn’t it.
    
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    September 3, 2022 11:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      Just need to rebrand to Miraka Mu Kau, then we’re all good.
      
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      September 3, 2022 12:49pm
- pdm
  
  Prince – Ardern ducked for cover when someone produced a photo of her and a couple of other cabinet ministers at Cosco a day or two before.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:17am
thirteenstars

“But I still like “Staging by Leni Riefenstahl”, which has it exactly right.”

Oh, my, the Riefenstahl comparison is both pithy and disturbing. The use of Marines as props for a wholly political speech is unforgiveable, the upside being that any support Biden had in the military is now gone.

The gaudy lighting, flags, the military, the birthplace of the Constitution, it’s all Potemkin patriotic posing to hide the anti-American policies of those sworn to protect her.
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September 3, 2022 10:03am
- kowtow
  
  US Presidents constantly use the military as a backdrop / prop . Not a problem .
  
  But this was very different . Low camera angle ( Mussolini tactic) stark colours red/black ( very authoritarian) and then the content of the speech ( aggressive and divisive)
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:19am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “US Presidents constantly use the military as a backdrop / prop . Not a problem .”
    
    Not for official addresses to the nation, as this speech was supposed to be. Those speeches are done in sober surroundings such as the Oval Office. The speech was supposed to be televised on all three major US networks. Fortunately they all chose not to bother.
    
    Biden has corrupted the importance of that “address to the nation” moment to deliver a campaign speech while employing military personnel as props. That would have been like Trump commanding Marines to stand behind him at one of his massive political rallies while he was president.
    
    It’s wholly inappropriate but entirely predictable from this crew.
    
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    September 3, 2022 10:29am
Inandout

FGS Joe has learnt to flip flop like Jacinda.

‘Joe Biden has rapidly backtracked on comments he made during an angry, politically-charged speech delivered in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia on Thursday night. Biden told Fox News’ Peter Doocy on Friday that he did not “consider any Trump supporter to be a threat.”
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September 3, 2022 10:10am
I remember when

Have been reading about the Mesopotamia Flight in 1915. Found the following interesting –
While discussing the Euphrates, Tigrus and Basra comments included, “Temperatures frequently reached 45 degrees in the shade and climbed as high as 50 degrees when it had a mind.”
Also a postcard displaying “a thermometer registering 55 degrees in the shade.”
A cemetery on the left bank of the Shatt-al-Arab, built on the highest ground available to avoid the annual floods and, even so, a mud dyke was completed to ensure they were safe from unseasonably high flooding.

Topical?
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September 3, 2022 10:21am
Suze Wainwright

So, in order to mitigate the impact of Labour’s Kiwisaver tax flip flop, some msm journos are saying Luxon has backtracked on Tamaki in order to say – see, Luxon flip flops too; so there!

Has any msm journo asked Jacinda for her view on Tamaki in politics yet? And whatever her view, I’m confident some of her parliamentary colleagues may have ‘open minds’ if it comes to safeguarding jobs and securing power.
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September 3, 2022 10:26am
- kowtow
  
  It’s incredible .
  
  Claire Trevett’s article is headlined “Luxon says no dice but is dragged into game” accompainied by a huge cartoon of Lux , Ardern and Peters.
  
  But the article starts off with the gst debacle . But quickly turns to Lux and Peters .
  
  Once again the Big Switch from the power holders to the oppositon .
  
  55 million well spent.
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:05am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Nothing more than you’d expect from “Red Claire”…
    
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    September 3, 2022 12:26pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Trevett is just another MSM opinion writer Tony. Her opinions are worth as much as some guy from Otara, or Remuera.
      
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      September 3, 2022 9:37pm
I remember when

NZ Farmer: ‘No quick fix’ after record floods.
“It will not be a five-minute fix,” Federated Farmers Marlborough dairy chair Evan White said.
“With 43 farms to collect milk from, Fontera tankers were making it to just 9 over the first week.
While we are slowly adding to that total as roads are cleared, there will be farms that will be isolated for several days yet.
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September 3, 2022 10:28am
- Gravelroad
  
  And someone would downtick this- because?
  Even the Prime Minister has visited this area and talked to the people there.
  
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  September 3, 2022 10:51am
- Master Mariner
  
  And yet highly predictable as posted about about this a good year or 2 ago.
  Looks like another year of La Nina.
  In all honesty its lucky its not El Nino as dams will be empty and high energy prices.
  
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  September 3, 2022 1:09pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yes the Herald does have detail about wot’s been happening.
    
    Four climate phenomenon combining.
    
    ENSO ( la nina)
    Indian Ocean dipole
    Madden Julian oscilation
    Southern Annular Mode.
    
    But much easier for the control freak pollies and other scare mongers to simply repeated scream “climate change”.
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:10pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

[Stolen from twitter]
A famous actor will run through dozens of models in their prime mating years and have nothing to show for it. Meanwhile Elon will send his sperm in the mail to every mid childless company exec who asks for it. Tech owns the future because they’re focused on scaling.
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September 3, 2022 10:30am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol, there were many famous actresses that ran through Harvey Wienstein, and he ended up in jail because they were desperate for a job.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:51pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MBQRSyzJos
FBI Placed Own Documents In Staged Trump Photo As Biden Wages War Against MAGA Republicans.

G men planting evidence? What would Elliot Ness think?
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September 3, 2022 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They are desperate. Why did they try and make it ‘not’ like a crime scene? Or was it just incompetence?
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:09am
  - curry4me
    
    When people are desperate, they do incompetent things. Dunning-Kruger syndrome comes into it too.
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:54pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez0urqgkLlE
Is Czech politics nearing a breaking point?
New interview with Peter from the Czech Republic. On September 23rd and 24th, there will be municipal elections and partial senate elections. [16:09]
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September 3, 2022 10:43am
Tasman devil

Ram raiders are racist….. there is no co-governance, which is unfair to pakeha.
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September 3, 2022 10:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Did they all get fired? Swamp dwellers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=catvoAz5T1M
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September 3, 2022 11:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

When Dems lose the Election they will go to jail.
Joe is desperate.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-has-perfect-response-to-bidens-enemies-of-the-state-speech-attacking-maga-republicans-he-must-be-insane/?
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September 3, 2022 11:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Clearly a decision to lift mask mandates was made this week by cabinet…and hence the big rush to pretend that vulnerable communities were consulted..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/disability-issues-minister-poto-williams-admits-giving-disabled-communities-24-hours-for-mask-mandate-feedback-wouldn-t-have-stood-up-at-un.html

Labour has really become farcical
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September 3, 2022 11:47am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… Nek minit mandates gone.
  Yay, everyone affected says.
  
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  September 3, 2022 11:55am
  - blue collar
    
    Won’t forget or forgive though .
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:47pm
- Ghost
  
  I wonder if we ever go to green if they will rehire all the health care staff.
  
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  September 3, 2022 12:00pm
  - Dougal10
    
    Green still requires non nz citizens entering nz to be vaxed unless you are from the ukraine , it also doesn’t remove vax requirements from medical staff and the likes eg defence force .
    
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    September 3, 2022 1:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Their polling must be really dire.
  
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  September 3, 2022 2:13pm
  - blue collar
    
    They left it too late , people are furious , everyone had it n MEH without a mask n no probs ….. those still forced to wear are fucked off .
    No political capital left in dropping it , everyone now sees it was unnecessary.
    
    I think it was the pre election winner but the world moved on too quick and monkeypox didn’t take .
    Now every day health care and shop keepers are going wtf , nzers are looking at pub staff going why ? The govt is crazy , they finally realise this and the damage it’s doing and will let it go . Too late though , no votes in it n it’s too traumatic to forgive .
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Redacted documents.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188883494769720/permalink/3375967496061308/
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September 3, 2022 11:49am
oldfella

Anyone like to translate this official govt press release? I think they posted the Manglish version by mistake… //
Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta departs for Papua New Guinea next week to engage kanohi ki te kanohi with partners and visit key development initiatives in the region.
“This has, and continues to be, a challenging time for Papua New Guinea and Te Moana-nui-a-Kiwa.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2209/S00011/foreign-minister-to-visit-papua-new-guinea.htm
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September 3, 2022 12:16pm
- Trev
  
  kanohi ki te kanohi = eye to eye / face to face. Certainly not necessary to insert that there. We get a lot of baby talk Maori inserted in media these days. Most is unnecessary for meaning or context and in some cases it is even poor or in appropriate use of Maori. Even the pronunciation is often wrong. Why not leave it out unless it actually adds to meaning. I’m quite happy to have articles solely in Maori for those that wish to subscribe. The odd phrase inserted for virtual signaling purposes adds nothing and is often cringe worthy. [I am of Maori descent]
  
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  September 3, 2022 1:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can translate:
  kanohi ki te kanohi – face to face
  
  Te Moana-nui-a-Kiwa. – The great ocean of Kiwa, i.e. The Pacific.
  
  Basically Our Dear Minister is off to ~~chat~~ korero with some folks in PNG about how to do deals with the PRC.
  
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  September 3, 2022 1:35pm
- graham
  
  And coincidentally, just two days ago a “plain language” bill, which would insist that every public service and Crown agency communicates in plain language, passed its second reading in the House. Because Labour is concerned that many people – including migrants, the disabled and those with English as a second language – have difficulty understanding some of the communications from these places.
  
  Meanwhile, I guess the same people who support the “plain language” bill and argue that there’s a need for it, have absolutely no issue with that baffling press release.
  
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  September 3, 2022 2:05pm
I remember when

Fate of halal butchers is uncertain: NZ Farmers Weekly.
An immigration agreement between government and meat industry allows the employment of 320 low-skilled migrants at less than the median wage – but this doesn’t cover desperately needed halal butchers.
The industry needs about 100 halal butchers – and recently trained 50 Fijian butchers since vetted by Muslim religious authorities.
They are seeking clarification on how they can access the Fijian halal butchers, along with another 20 Indonesian trained before NZ closed its borders during the last covid outbreak.
There is no special provision for these workers even though they have a unique skill set.
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September 3, 2022 12:25pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  They don’t have a unique skill set. Any slaughterman can kill animals in the manner prescribed by the Koran.
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:07pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I wonder whether there are any Jewish halal butchers?
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Doc makes room go SILENT on testimony on China’s gain of function research.
https://rumble.com/v1eo92h-doc-makes-room-go-silent-with-testimony-on-chinas-gain-of-function-research.html?
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September 3, 2022 12:39pm
- mawm
  
  That’s frightening! For those who didn’t watch – the Chinese (with Western funding and expertise) are doing gain of function experiments on the Nepah virus which has a 60% mortality and if this is spread it could set humanity back 1 millennium.
  
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  September 3, 2022 2:51pm
Gravelroad

Are the All Blacks going to win tonight?
If they don’t then NZ rugby must really be in trouble because we keep being told that the players in this current team (and their coaches) are the best we have got.
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September 3, 2022 12:47pm
- barnacle bill
  
  There certainly be a lot of individuals in trouble, that’s for sure.
  
  I also think that in some spaces, there are better players not getting a look in, and only Foster can answer that one.
  And then we keep playing good players out of position.
  
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  September 3, 2022 1:22pm
- greybeard
  
  Today Jason Pine interviewed Aaron Smith.
  
  Smith said that the new coaches were making a marked difference and that the forwards were benefitting from their input.
  
  I am incredulous to think that a couple of temporary and recently-appointed coaches could be making such a difference to an All Black team in such a short time, and equally incredulous that Smith should say this on NewstalkZB sport a matter of hours before what will be their most important test this year !
  What on earth does this say about Foster’s impact ?
  
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  September 3, 2022 1:51pm
  - Prince
    
    It’s all meaningless tosh Greybeard.
    In fitting with the times, Rugby has drifted a long way from Peter Jones ‘I’m absolutely buggered’ straightforward and honest response to being asked how he felt after a test match.
    At least Fitzy had the wit to treat it as the farce it is, with his full credits and game of two halves.
    Forget the previews and reviews. Give the anthems and hakas a miss. Switch on around 7:15pm and switch off straight after, if not earlier.Read a book, listen to your favourite music, invite a friend over and open a vintage port and cheese. Relax.
    
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    September 3, 2022 2:09pm
- blue collar
  
  I hope the abs lose .
  I’ve got zero interest or emotional attachment to this coach / squad / nzru board and ceo .
  I want to see them crash and burn , more interested in soccer and the TARANAKI rugby team .
  Count me out , I’ll be a fan again when foster out , the board gets t to if of diversity and picks ex players with nous , also a fans reo , and fucking razor or Jamie Joseph or Rennie etc as. coach .
  
  Even I could at least pick players for their rightful position . How hard is that . Clown 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 show
  
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  September 3, 2022 3:00pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maybe you’ll change your mind now LOL.
    
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    September 3, 2022 9:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump – they almost got him. Time mag fuckup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9-4BhAzrGc
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September 3, 2022 1:13pm
- blue collar
  
  They’ll never get him .
  Would’ve heard all about it by now if they had anything
  He’s gonna wipe the floor in 2024 and he’s learned a lot since last time . Lookout dems . The gloves are off , they went too far , invaded his home n I don’t know about you but move heaven and earth to get revenge .
  He will hv immense resources at his disposal , and I’m thinking a lot of mongrels will be going to jail or hving “accidents “
  
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  September 3, 2022 3:04pm
  - Alex
    
    Arizona is only having paper ballots, no machines for mid-terms.
    We will see who actually voted Republican, or better still who voted Democrat.
    
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    September 3, 2022 4:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A man’s house is his Castle. Invade it at your peril
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:42am
oldfella

This will interest LOR fans. An in-depth look at (some of) what’s wrong with the new TV series from YouTuber “The Critical Drinker” (aka Scottish novelist William Jordan).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJbAbe2yyo&t=81s
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September 3, 2022 1:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

New Health Authority spinning Disinformation as soon as it is set up

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-health-agency-apologises-over-covid-vaccine-ads-it-was-ordered-to-remove/KSBM5APPMDAOMUIKDXD3J4DDUA/
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September 3, 2022 2:00pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Aspiration yet again fails implementation.
  
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  September 3, 2022 5:46pm
I remember when

Welsh co-op flags milk threat: NZ Farmers Weekly.
Overall milk volumes across Wales could be slashed by more than a quarter as farmers seek to comply with new water regulations coming into force in January, 2023.

The highest estimate was 27% and is probably an indication of the affect farmers here can expect.
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September 3, 2022 2:06pm
- Matt Long
  
  If milk production falls by a quarter world wide, what will that do to prices?
  People will all be eating oat water with lime flour and thinking it’s food.
  
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  September 3, 2022 7:48pm
kowtow

Here’s more of that “delivery”.

Why all this talk and spend on climate change when our social and indeed physical infrastructure is teetering on collapse .

‘Westport hospital facilities 100km from the nearest alternate services on the West Coast are nearly at a point where there is no emergency doctor cover and people “are going to die”.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-coast/people-going-die%E2%80%99-desperate-situation-hospital-claimed

Nah , let’s obsess about Trump and G’vale.
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September 3, 2022 2:51pm
Benedict Yu

My clothes dryer broke down yesterday. So I went to the local laundromat to dry my washing.

There were two women there with a young child. Maybe 12 months old. Anyway the child crawls into one of the large commercial size dryers. And one of the women closed the dryer door, locking the child inside. They thought it was hilarious.

What do you do with these people? ☹️
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September 3, 2022 2:52pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Did they turn on the dryer?
  That is not unknown to happen.
  The “care givers” and their associates seem to think that’s a great laugh.
  
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  September 3, 2022 3:01pm
- cjn
  
  Well I hope that you reported them to the owner. And I hope that the owner called the police and that the owner banned them.
  
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  September 3, 2022 6:59pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The “owner” is likely in Auckland. Or Mumbai.. and would not give a shit.
    
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    September 4, 2022 12:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why didn’t you hang your washing on the line?
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:09pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    FFS none of your business.🤬
    
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    September 4, 2022 12:01am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Ben, I guess the question is where? And were the women NZ European? In general terms tho, have you heard of a clothes line?
  
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  September 3, 2022 9:56pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No I don’t have a “clothes line”.
    
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    September 4, 2022 12:00am
kevn

@BY… We pay them.
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September 3, 2022 2:58pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Every Russian casualty in Ukraine is costing Ukraine and it’s international backers about $1-2million (cost of war amortised over Russian Casualties).

Must be a lot of options for reducing that cost – like offering general bounties on Russian soldiers eg $500k for proof to anyone who takes a Russian soldier out of the fight – or provides weapons that enable it (eg clever drone tech). I imagine offering a deal like that to African soldiers or North Korean leaders would bring in a lot of mercenaries very quickly, and drive some incredibly fast innovation in effective killer drones.

Could extend offer to Russian soldiers that surrender or murder their comrades then surrender.
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September 3, 2022 3:31pm
- kowtow
  
  The Ivans are now trying to recruit homeless men in St petersburg .
  
  No shit .
  
  They must be really desperate.
  
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  September 3, 2022 4:59pm
- cjn
  
  An interesting if immoral post. You know the number of Russian casualties? Tell us. And if you know the number of Ukrainian casualties tell us that too. I’d be interested to know your sources.
  
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  September 3, 2022 7:03pm
Alex

It doesn’t take much for Luxon to give into Labour after a bit of ribbing in parliament.
Robertson Suggested Luxon might have something in common with Tamaki, his Christian views on homosexuality.
This was the straw that broke the Camel’s back.
Luxon told Hosking. I’m ruling out Brian and Hannah, I don’t have anything in common with them.
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September 3, 2022 4:44pm
Ghost

No reason to not release this info

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/officials-refuse-to-reveal-new-zealand-s-fuel-security-status.html

Officials refuse to release briefings about how much fuel New Zealand has or should keep on shore.
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September 3, 2022 5:14pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129774717/this-wasnt-a-brawl-it-was-an-attack-assault-over-supermarket-trolley-leaves-victim-with-bruising-and-clumps-of-hair-missing
Any chance of a description of the two ferals ?
No?
I wonder why.
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September 3, 2022 6:21pm
Ghost

Bloody disgusting how far our health system has fallen since national fixed it after Annette King demolished it.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/thousands-of-people-each-month-leaving-emergency-departments-before-being-treated.html

Newshub can reveal every month thousands of people are choosing to leave emergency departments instead of waiting for treatment, whilst the number of patients waiting more than 24 hours in an emergency department is soaring.
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September 3, 2022 8:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the disgusting Cindy was parading Angry do-little in front of school kids on TV telling them that he was in charge of keeping people healthy.
  I almost regurgitated my beer.
  
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