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Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

What happened to the hole in the ozone layer? 😀
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August 29, 2022 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It went North to the tropics
  
  https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/new-year-round-ozone-hole-earth-climate-change-global-warming/#:~:text=It's%20also%20believed%20to%20be,1980s%20within%20the%20lower%20stratosphere.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    One of the girls at tennis reckoned it was when us kids of the 70’s grew up and stopped using Aqua-Net. Fixed it 😎
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:32am
    - KiwiSapper
      
      I was in central Government employment during the 60’s and 70’s and was aware that the Departmental “Typing Pool” was commonly referred to as the “Snake Pit.’
      Not because of the attitude of the typists, heaven forbid, but from the “sibilant hissing” which was very apparent immediately prior to the “going home time” at 4.35 pm every day.
      
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      August 29, 2022 11:55am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There are a couple of very salient points in that article:
    
    1. The discovery was relatively unexpected, because conventional photochemical models didn’t pick up on its presence.
    
    2. And while scientists don’t definitively know how ozone holes affect life on Earth, researchers are looking into possibilities — and unfortunately, many of their predictions err on the side of negativity.
    
    So their models are completely wrong, and looking in the wrong area, and their immediate reaction is to predict doom and gloom. In their minds, the sky literally has fallen in.
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:51am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep. Also not in the models is the rapid movement of the magnetic poles and strengths.
      That in itself tells you the models are wrong.
      
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      August 29, 2022 10:19am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Google that very question and you will find that it is being addressed, although it’s not yet fully resolved, a result of worldwide coordinated action in response to scientific advice
  
  https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/whatever-happened-to-the-hole-in-the-ozone-layer
  
  I wonder if there are any other global environmental threats which could be addressed in a similar way?
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:20am
  - Simon
    
    “Google that very question”
    
    lol – google climate change and you get “1.74 billion results” that end at page 44.
    
    If you use google that for climate related you are only going to get fake MSM garbage.
    
    Google = mainstream censored garbage.
    
    “Google that very question and you will find that it is being addressed” LAMO
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:59am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Fair enough; asking strangers with unknown credentials on Kiwiblog is a far better way of getting reliable answers to scientific questions
      
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      August 29, 2022 9:47am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Do you think we should rely on Stuff’s scientific explainer then?
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/authors/keith-lynch
        
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        August 29, 2022 11:45am
- Spoff
  
  50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions
  https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:31am
  - Spoff
    
    Don’t be fooled into thinking this disaster movie is coming to an end, says Neil Oliver
    https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/dont-be-fooled-into-thinking-this-disaster-movie-is-coming-to-an-end-says-neil-oliver/358614
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    But but but – one day we’ll be right! And then you’ll be sorry!! So there!!!
    
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    August 29, 2022 12:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No hole because the cows stopped farting?
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It healed up, was that not caused by gas in fridges which they don’t use anymore? Ole Mother Nature aye
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:58am
- Nickc2
  
  The ozone layer has been rebadged to ‘Man Made Climate Change’ eh?
  Same people, same aims, you pay and do as we say.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought the ozone layer actually repaired it self
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:32am
- Unity
  
  I was saying the same thing recently. We were more or less told the end of the World was coming because of the hole in the ozone layer. Now it’s disappeared and another disaster is supposed to be overtaking us – Covid!! Before that it was Bird Flu and other dreadful things. I don’t believe anything any more.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:12am
  - Flossie
    
    I’ve often wondered how big the Hole in the Ozone was in 1912… 1857…. 1420?? Could’ve been huge and how would we know.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The first measurements of Ozone levels above Antarctica (Brunt ice Shelf) were only taken in 1957.
      
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      August 29, 2022 11:50am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    A constantly fearful population are easier to control and manipulate. With the covid circus we’ve certainly found out who the pussies and chicken littles are in our society, and the vast majority are fans of Ardern. Go figure.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:19am
- NoFax
  
  As a person with very fair skin I know that when I am in NZ I have to wear sunscreen for about 6 months of the year just going about my daily business and even then I can still get burnt if I am not super careful. When I am in the Northen Hemisphere I don’t have to wear sunscreen and never get burnt.
  The hole is fixing – although NZ and Australia still have a high skin cancer rate. CFCs have been eliminated excpet China cheats so CFCs are still been pumped into the air.
  
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  August 29, 2022 1:24pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    CFCs mostly originating from the NORTHern Hemisphere create a massive ozone hole over the SOUTH not North Pole…never made much sense to me but I’m not a scientist.
    
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    August 29, 2022 6:55pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/new-national-health-organisation-te-whatu-ora-accused-of-secrecy-and-spin.html

Is anyone really suprised?

Centralization, a Maori name and now the meetings are being held in secret so no one knows what they are up to. (Spoiler alert, they will be working out to channel money away from frontline services and into Maori elites pockets)

Now we just wait for the money leakage and further decline in services eg ED wait times and surgeries.

Entirely predictable from something being controlled by Andrew little, one of lifes genuine dickheads.
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August 29, 2022 8:09am
- pdm
  
  Opie – wait times in some places are pretty horrendous under Angry Andy (aka Dr Doolittle) already.
  
  Probably his target is to at least double them.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:48am
  - covfefe
    
    Everyone effected by waiting lists and unreasonable wait times in ED, for scans, etc should make a formal compliant to the HDC. Every single person. I certainly will be in ever I need medical care and it is not to the standard that I know it should be.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:48am
- Simon
  
  “further decline in services eg ED”
  
  Zero covid nutjobs shut the country down to save the hospital system. It has been since been wrecked. Utter clowns.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:02am
- crikey
  
  This public body ought to be subject to the Official Information Act which is no excuse, though, for excluding public attendance at meetings. If there are sensitive matters they should be dealt with by exception.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:57am
- Cassandra
  
  There’s a separate authority for Maoris – why does the authority for “Others” need a Maori name? Actually, one authority for the everyone would be a much better idea. And a sensible subdivision under it might include a department for the under-privileged which would include some Maoris, some Pacific Island people and a whole lot of New Zealanders of European descent.
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:35am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Haha, yes. And will the new Maori authority have the name in “te reo pakeha” in smaller text underneath? Something poetic, obscure and archaic, written in English as she was spoketh many hundreds of years ago?
    
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    August 30, 2022 2:49am
- Nickc2
  
  How come every NZ Government Organisation that’s given a Te Reo (Maori) name, doesn’t work?
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:49am
  - Ehlana
    
    More correlation that causation I think Nickc2. The current government has presided over the bestowing of many Maori names, and the current government is especially incompetent.
    
    Of course, since most of us are not fluent in Maori, it is possible that the Maori names are incorrect too, which would make them another example of incompetence.
    
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    August 29, 2022 2:47pm
kowtow

The two latest articles on Democracy Project relate to the Mallard appointment and the Sharma drama .Are worth a read.

The “c” word is mentioned in each . The “c” that Helen Clark said doesn’t happen in NZ , how things have changed . Or maybe it’s always been that way but she was engaging in another ‘c’ , cancel culture or censorship.
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August 29, 2022 8:11am
- Simon
  
  Democracy eh? How many MPs got jaxxed up? 100% right. There is your so called democracy. Its a bull shit system with a fake choice the cattle make every 3 years and get the same garbage.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:04am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yes, we are essentially tax livestock. Farmed for our productivity. Free range, not caged. But still shepherded, corralled and monitored.
    
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    August 30, 2022 2:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our open and transparent Government is making damn sure no-one knows what will be happening to our health $$$$$$$.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018856378/te-whatu-ora-board-chair-backs-not-allowing-public-or-journalists-into-meetings
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August 29, 2022 8:14am
- Scott
  
  Mike Hosking is one of the few people in the media speaking out against this government’s agenda and overreach. This morning he mentioned the QC opinion about Three Waters that has just come out.
  
  Public law firm Franks Ogilvie, in an opinion reviewed by Gary Judd QC, lay out the extent to which these claims have been “calculated to deceive Parliamentarians, and when it becomes law, to deceive New Zealanders generally”.It calls the claims of retention of local ownership “false, misleading and deceptive” as “councils are expressly denied the rights of possession, control, derivation of benefits, and disposition that are the defining attributes of ownership”. Gary Judd QC comments in his review of the legal opinion: “When all the lying statements are put together, as [the] opinion does, the government’s effrontery is breath-taking.”
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2208/S00017/legal-opinion-three-waters-bill-calculated-to-deceive.htm
  
  So what we have is a QC affirming in a written opinion that the government is lying to us. That Parliament is being deceived and New Zealanders generally are being deceived.
  
  It seems to me that three waters is another step along the lines of co-governance. In this case the Maori tribes will control the water. In the case of health, the Maori Health Authority controls the delivery of health to Maori and also has veto powers over the health system for everyone else. So the 15% of people who identify as Maori appear to be getting at least 50% of governance. Which obviously is not right and is unequal representation.
  
  Even more egregiously it seems to me that our country, our society, our system of government is being divided on racial lines. It’s the reverse of the racial segregation of the American South and the apartheid of the old South Africa. In this case it appears that the Maori people will be in charge.
  
  Thankfully we still have people like Mike Hosking to alert us to this demolition of our wonderful country and its laws and its governance. The rest of the media of course are asleep at the wheel. They agree with what is happening or they have been paid to agree with what is happening.
  
  One can only hope that next year we will eject these cultural vandals from office.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This opinion came out around the beginning of August, and has been canvassed here on Kiwiblog. The Taxpayers’ Union also gave it significant airtime, and in fact the piece you have linked to is a media release from NZTU. Hosking is only catching up on it because of Bruce Cotterill’s piece in the Herald at the weekend – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/bruce-cotterill-three-waters-doesnt-pass-the-sniff-test/XGN3LB6T3J6F3JLI5WXXN4TQPU/.
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:50am
    - crikey
      
      Three Waters does pass the sniff test – it stinks!
      
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      August 29, 2022 10:00am
  - Simon
    
    “Mike Hosking is one of the few people in the media speaking out against this government’s agenda and overreach.”
    
    lol – Hosking told everyone to take the jaxx and called people cretins if they didnt. The forced jaxxed the very definition of govt overreach and your boy Hosking was front and centre.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:06am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      What is Hoskings position now? I genuinely don’t know. I do know there were a lot of people who were sucked in by the fear porn, propaganda and psychological manipulation. Quite a few have realised they were scammed, are angry and won’t get another shot or fall for this again.
      There are others who are in denial. Who are too fragile to admit they got this wrong. Understandable to some extent, not many people like to admit failure. These people need to be helped to understand they are victims of the greatest government fraud ever. That hundreds of millions have been spent to convince them of this. That they can own it, move on and they will get greater respect from others and will also feel better about themselves.
      The people I hold the greatest disdain for and who I will never, ever forgive, are those who are fully aware of what is going on but who enable the continuation of this torture and misery and societal destruction. They do this in the full knowledge of the effects of what they are doing. They do this to protect their careers and their incomes.
      These are the “experts”, the politicians and the journalists who are the reason we are still fighting against this irrational madness.
      
      In particular, this group of liars and corrupt fraudsters need to be exposed and held to account. This recent paper is authored by Michael Baker, Dr Jennifer Summers, Prof Nick Wilson, Dr Lucy Telfar Barnard, Dr Julie Bennett, Dr Amanda Kvalsvig – all from Otago University.
      
      These lunatics want to jab under 5s and mask kids from year 1 on the basis of misleading statistics.
      
      https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/the-covid-19-experience-in-aotearoa-new-zealand-and-other-comparable-high-income-jurisdictions-and-implications-for-managing-the-next-pandemic-phase/
      
      They have deliberately distorted the available data to claim that NZ has one of the lowest rates of excess mortality in the world. This is a lie. For anyone wishing to read the detail or anyone doubting the truth of this, the full article explaining the deception can be read here:
      
      https://www.thelookingglass.co.nz/its-no-use-going-back-to-yesterday-a-news-digest-from-the-new-normal-2/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=it-s-no-use-going-back-to-yesterday-a-news-digest-from-the-new-normal_27
      
      These chicken little pandemicists are destroying the country and they need to be stopped.
      
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      August 29, 2022 10:38am
- Scott
  
  A quick update – I note in stuff this morning after a quick scan I cannot find any mention of the three waters QC opinion. However I do find this post from some overzealous journalist on racial issues.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300671649/heres-why-ill-only-speak-to-you-in-te-reo-mori-this-month
  
  Apparently this guy is only gonna speak in Maori this month. That shows you I think where journalists sympathies lie.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:19am
  - Philview
    
    I think Stuff has been the largest benefactor of the Public Service Journalism Fund so we can draw obvious conclusions on what that means for impartiality on these issues.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is fine. I will speak English, and refuse to respond to any Te Reo.
    Deal!
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:15am
  - Homas
    
    Funny that he felt the need to explain his stunning and brave undertaking in English.
    
    In other Stuff news, occasional scientist Dr. Siouxsie Wiles bemoans the supposed lack of access to monkeypox vaccine by those who “need” it most, without any apparent attempt to explain how exactly this particular “need” arises.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The pink terror got that order straight from the top
      
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      August 29, 2022 12:47pm
  - iMP
    
    I wish he’d informed us inMaori so none of us knew. Funny that, that he had to use English to let us know what we’d be missing.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ha!! Wonderful observation iMP. Well spotted.
      
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      August 29, 2022 10:40am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I’ve known Flemish nationalists refuse to speak French to fellow Belgians when visiting Brussels, preferring to use English.
    
    Same energy.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:29am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Had the same in Quebec, Canada in the Late 70s.
      
      I had to go(Kiwi) with anyone from head office (Toronto). to Montreal office. Customers and staff would only speak in French to Canadians, but very happy to speak to me in English…
      
      Went back to Montreal in 2012. Lots of bilingual conversations by groups of locals. They just talked in whatever they felt comfortable with. Often switching in and out of French/English.
      
      Lets hope kiwis also grow out of this fetish of trying to jam the Maori Language down everybodies throats/ears/eyes
      
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      August 29, 2022 3:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    The guy Scott writes about (8.19 post) is part-Maori, but began learning Maori language as an adult.
    
    He was a reporter in some regional local paper, then broke into Woke Stuff writing about, first, Maori issues, then boring detail of his progress in Maori-language.
    
    If he moved out of NZ, he’d have nothing to scribble about.
    
    Scott’s “over-zealous” description of him is an under-statement. Here’s someone who calls the world’s great English language as “to reo Pakeha”. He wouldn’t know that India’s 200 million English speakers alone outnumber the world’s Maori speakers by at least a thousand to one. It’s estimated also that 130 million Africans speak English.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:40am
    - ISeeRed
      
      And most “Pakeha” around the world i.e. Caucasians, don’t speak English as their first language or at all. “Te reo Pakeha” = “Wypipo be like all da same y’all”. Ignorant, racist, woke – but I repeat myself.
      
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      August 29, 2022 7:15pm
- pdm
  
  Maggy – using the definition of `Open and Transparent’ from the almost brand new Labour Thesaurus.
  
  First published in Novemeber 2017 and updated daily since.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:26am
  - Matt Long
    
    Now at least we no what hate speech looks like, https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-arrests-pop-singer-joke-religious-schools-calls-hate-crime
    Although I’m betting the good Dr is guilty of Hate Speach for speaking against The Party.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:08am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Was being the most open and transparent government ever Jacinda’s first big lie?
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    God no, she’s been lying like a flatfish since she first showed an interest in politics at the age of 14.
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Reporter: “Prime Minister, what is your favourite big lie?”
      PM: “I don’t tell lies!”
      Reporter: Yes! That is my favourite too”
      
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      August 29, 2022 9:08am
  - mogg
    
    The First big lie was ‘we new we had the numbers’, that was first day of parliament, when they wanted Mallard as speaker.
    
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    August 29, 2022 1:13pm
- kowtow
  
  What are they going to discuss that they are so afraid of us hearing about .
  
  We all know , don’t we . The majority being discriminated against , while paying the bulk of taxes .
  
  Another blow against deomocracy , under this most divisive of regimes.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:42am
  - david
    
    Oh but according to the Chairman (ex Trade Union economist Rob Campbell) the new health authority is different from the old DHBs and is considering totally different matters.
    My question is, if they are not considering providing the best medical care and treatment to the people of New Zealand, just exactly what are they considering?
    When put like that, it is no wonder they they don’t want pesky members of the press or public to be privy to their “considerations” !
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:39am
    - Paulus
      
      Campbell is still fixing up the top jobs for the Boys and Girls of the Mahuta clan.
      Come back later !
      
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      August 29, 2022 1:29pm
    - IndividualResponsibility
      
      David – replying to your 10:39AM post – ex Trade Union economist Rob Campbell was also, for a number of years, Commercial Manager for Freightways Managing Director Trevor Farmer during the period when Freightways was a wholly owned subsidiary of Tappenden Holdings (i.e. a private Company, long before FRE listed) which was owned by Trevor Farmer, Alan Gibbs, and associates.
      
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      August 29, 2022 2:03pm
      - david
        
        Hey Individualresponsibility I don’t dispute what you are saying but the saying “lie down with dogs and you stand up with fleas” did not come about by accident.
        
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        August 29, 2022 3:40pm
- Nickc2
  
  Hey you arse-holes on the Te Whatu Ora board, it’s taxpayer’s money you are dealing with and they have a right to know how it’s managed, for what purpose, who’s calling the shots, and why.
  Smarten up your act and show due diligence for taxpayers’ money FFS.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:15am
  - Paulus
    
    TeWhata Ora is jobs for the Girls – Maori preferred, who the hell cares there anyway – it is our way or get lost !
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:04am
  - Opie
    
    Your making the assumption they give a shit about our money and what we think
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:32am
G152

I see one of our very own fake news peons is demanding that he publishes his nonsense in Maori and we listen to him.
Info for the idiot we read the written word in this case as we dont begreifen we dont read.
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August 29, 2022 8:18am
- Jack5
  
  Would Stuff commit grand hara-kiri by publishing only in Maori for a month?
  
  Or is it now so dependent on State handouts that it wouldn’t notice subscriptions collapsing?
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:58am
  - rouppe
    
    The are numerous examples of how to do that. You can offer a language selector whereby the web page shows the same thing in your selected language.
    
    Sure the organisations needs to write the content twice, but that’s the price.
    
    A price Stuff aren’t prepared to pay. They’d rather publish the pidgin language they are creating
    
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    August 29, 2022 1:00pm
Sideoiler

What a knob end.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300671649/heres-why-ill-only-speak-to-you-in-te-reo-mori-this-month.
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August 29, 2022 8:23am
- Rich Prick
  
  The soy in that one is off the chart. Of course we could all play the game, I’ll only converse with Joel in Klingon.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Ying tong ying tong
    Ying tong ying tong
    Ying tong iddle I po,
    Ying tong ying tong
    Ying tong ying tong
    Ying tong iddle I po”
    
    That is all the dick deserves
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:22am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @SteveO-
      Aaahh – The Goon Show.
      My older brother and our dad used to listen to this on the radio when I was a young kid and I could hear them laughing and laughing through the (uninsulated) bedroom wall of the state house we lived in at the time. (House was provided as part of dad’s income as a public servant.)
      I am tempted to call our current government The Goon Show.
      But that would be a gross insult to the original brilliant Goons.
      
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      August 29, 2022 9:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What happened to ‘Bluebottle?’
        Who would he represent in our Govt?
        
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        August 29, 2022 10:11am
      - Nickc2
        
        Engraved on Spike Milligan’s grave headstone in Aust: ‘I told you I was Sick’.
        They were great characters.
        
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        August 29, 2022 10:20am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Spike Milligan at his finest when receiving an award at the end of his career.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iLElHqv-w
        
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        August 29, 2022 10:47am
      - mogg
        
        “That’s too far to walk I’ll have to take a ladder”. Spike Milligan, and on being praised byPrince Charlie “the crawling little bastard”, live on National TV.
        
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        August 29, 2022 1:20pm
- JerJer
  
  The comments closed pretty quickly to. He would be better to speak in computer language. More people know that than his language, and it’s useful both here and overseas. He needs to get a grip. He is on the road to nowhere.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:58am
  - Opie
    
    Which is strange as all the posted comments are in favour of it. I guess they have had to delete all the negative (sane) responses
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Opie – that was the problem, deleting the negative responses was giving someone serious RSI.
      
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      August 29, 2022 10:48am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Farcical isn’t it? Communication is a one way street for those idiots.
      
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      August 29, 2022 11:08am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Yep yep, talk about an echo chamber……
        
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        August 29, 2022 11:49am
kowtow

We’re constantly exhorted to have faith in so called experts .

Lagarde , head of the European Central Bank now blames high inflation on ………climate change .

These idiots aren’t doing themselves any favours . But the Media pardy backs ’em.
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August 29, 2022 8:28am
- Simon
  
  “We’re constantly exhorted to have faith in so called experts .”
  
  Its called Clown World. It is sadly why vile turds like the CCP will win. Not because CCP are any good they just moderately competent. They are just up against utter garbage that runs the post-West.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:09am
- Paulus
  
  See the promo this morning of the recently appointed Deputy Governot of the Reserve Bank – ex one time Westpac.
  She says she does not aspire, she says, to be the next Governor – she appears to be on the Board of everything there, with Robertson too I believe so she know how the bread is to be buttered.
  Remember at the end of last year many of the top execuitves of the Bank quit.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:11am
- Paulus
  
  See the promo this morning of the recently appointed Deputy Governot of the Reserve Bank – ex one time Westpac.
  She says she does not aspire, she says, to be the next Governor – she appears to be on the Board of everything there, with Robertson too I believe so she know how the bread is to be buttered.
  Remember at the end of last year many of the top executives of the Bank quit.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:11am
Yvette

Is Jacinda expecting again? Just asking
If Helen will let the question be asked, that is
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August 29, 2022 8:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t ask, you will get the pointy finger snd frown angry face 😃
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:36am
Benedict Yu

This guy is going to go through September only speaking Maori in his day to day contact with people. Honestly he would be way more effective speaking Mandarin.

Watch for the follow up article at the end of September reporting on all the racists who just shrugged and walked away. 🤡

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300671649/heres-why-ill-only-speak-to-you-in-te-reo-mori-this-month
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August 29, 2022 8:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  We seem to be overrun with idiots who make it into the news.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:36am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    This guy is a reporter at Stuff.
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:39am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Novel way to increase subs.
      
      Stuff will soon be able to cease its begging message on its online news items…
      
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      August 29, 2022 8:46am
    - pdm
      
      BY – obviously no common sense required for a reporting job at stuff these days.
      
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      August 29, 2022 8:54am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        A language is only useful if it allows you to communicate. The irony is that in Christchurch, and certainly in Auckland you get through a month of only speaking Mandarin fairly painlessly. It would be inconvenient but it could be done. (For example my GP has Mandarin speaking receptionists. So does the pharmacy I go to.)
        
        But speaking Maori you would have no hope. And even if you found, say, a Maori speaking GP, can the Maori language convey the results of a blood count test, or how to treat eczema using hydrocortisone? (Mandarin works for any concept that is conveyed in English.)
        
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        August 29, 2022 9:08am
      - graham
        
        Benedict, I have a friend who works as a receptionist at a doctor in East Tamaki here in Auckland. She is invaluable to him because of her ability to converse in Mandarin with his patients.
        
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        August 29, 2022 9:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “reporter at Stuff” – that’s an oxymoron.
      
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      August 29, 2022 10:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      If we can’t read it, then that’s more eyes not reading their sickening shit
      
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      August 29, 2022 11:18am
  - kowtow
    
    The “news” is mediated by idiots.
    
    I see it’s open for comments .
    
    I’d bet heavily moderated. That’s also a big part of the “news” . Gate keeping and censorship.
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Comments closed now. Must think it will start a war.
      
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      August 29, 2022 9:28am
      - kowtow
        
        Didn’t take long .
        
        Quick scan , most of the comments respectful b8t pointing out the pointlessness ofit.
        
        Featured comment ,which is no doubt an administrator’s choice, is a sentence fully in Maori , what a surprise .
        
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        August 29, 2022 10:22am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s not news Cap’n, and it hasn’t been for a long time. It’s dogma, propaganda, and woke nonsense.
    
    Thank you to all the readers who went there so I don’t have to.
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:56am
  - Simon
    
    “We seem to be overrun with idiots who make it into the news”
    
    Good observation. Its to normalize cretins who are also a mask for declining living standards due to direct government policies.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:13am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Maxwell is a born again. They are the worst kind of anything. Sanctimony is their only setting.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Explains things. Also, he is whiter than I am
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:29am
  - Jack5
    
    If he’s a born-again, what does he think of tohunga beliefs?
    
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    August 29, 2022 2:46pm
- Dave
  
  So, another person neglecting language’s primary function, communication, in favour of a secondary function, identity. He will disappointed to learn – if learn he can – that people often respond to assertions of identity with assertions of a counter identity.
  
  I look forward to his all-Maori columns in stuff next month; they will be quite time-saving.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:56am
  - Simon
    
    “another person neglecting language’s primary function, communication,”
    
    Language is about thinking. They censor words and change meaning to stop people thinking.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:15am
  - david
    
    Pretty good for a language that had no written form and then chose the English alphabet to attempt to represent itself phonetically when written down.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:46am
  - Ra Henare
    
    His main function is Social posturing as in the “hey look at me” style.
    
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    August 29, 2022 3:19pm
- Yvette
  
  ’Pou Tiaki’ has been set up to give much greater coverage of te ao Māori, Māori voices and perspectives.
  However, Stuff will not be employing new staff to translate its content rather getting help from the Māori Language Commission to translate its stories.
  … Stuff had recently been bought by CEO Sinead Boucher from Australian owner Nine and this change has seen the company take a renewed focus on the type of stories it tells.
  https://www.teaomaori.news/news-website-stuff-starts-translate-stories-te-reo-maori
  
  Here’s why I’ll only speak to you in te reo Māori this month
  Joel Maxwell is a Pou Tiaki reporter at Stuff.
  Yes, I am returning to the Mahuru Māori challenge this year. The goal for this annual challenge is, as it states, to “make a conscious effort to use more te reo Māori” across the lunar month of Mahuru, which roughly aligns with September.
  
  If this is “market research“, Stuff should surely have determined the negative response it will produce, before they took the editorial direction they have taken.
  Actually, if it kills off – stuffs – Stuff, does it matter?
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:59am
  - Taieri
    
    Here’s why I’ll only speak to you in te reo Māori this month
    ———-
    
    Why only this month?
    
    Does Mr Maxwell have anything interesting to say? In any month and any language?
    
    And why does he assume that anyone will listen to him? In any language?
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:46am
- Yvette
  
  Really Stuff would perhaps do us a better service by researching how much tax funding goes into supporting Te Reo each year.
  Estimates put it between $200 – 600 million annually, which is rather too vague.
  In supporting Te Reo, exact points of present expenditure and an evaluation of its efficacy would surely be a logical starting point.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:10am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Love this bit…
  
  “Nevertheless, I’ll persevere – repeating it for a third time, slowly and more loudly.”
  
  Yes that will work 🤡. Like speaking English loudly to a French speaker in Paris.
  
  Honestly if someone started shouting at me in Maori I would back away fast. 😂
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shouting at people in Moari, your first thought would be ‘which care center did he escape from?’
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:33am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      ““Nevertheless, I’ll persevere – repeating it for a third time, slowly and more loudly.””
      
      Honestly, this just reeks of arrogance.
      
      If he wants to promote the Maori language, why not occasionally say something to a (say) coffee cart guy in Maori and then explain what he said?”[R]epeating it for a third time, slowly and more loudly” to some guy serving coffee on minimum wage is appalling.
      
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      August 29, 2022 9:46am
      - graham
        
        The whole article is one gigantic dose of arrogance from Mr Maxwell. He’s starting with one hell of a chip on his shoulder, and basically just wandering around looking to start a fight.
        
        “If somebody asks me how I’m going, I’m going to reply in Maori and if they don’t understand, SHAME ON THEM!” Sure – because grandstanding, indulging in pointless theatrics, making a scene and embarrassing everyone around you is a proven way to make your point and win people over …
        
        I get that he’s trying to make a point – namely, that (in his mind), Maori is the “first language” and therefore it should be used just as much as English is, in every situation. But the simple reality is, it’s not going to happen. Not because of racism, but because of practicality and reality.
        
        There is no need in modern day New Zealand to speak Maori, it’s not an essential or important skill to have; therefore, the only reason for people to invest the time and effort into learning it is because they want to, for their own pleasure. And hey, if somebody genuinely wants to learn to speak Maori, go for it. I certainly won’t stand in their way. But to expect the majority of people in New Zealand to invest a considerable amount of time and effort into learning a language that, the vast majority of the time they won’t use, is arrogant and unrealistic.
        
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        August 29, 2022 10:58am
      - James Stephenson
        
        To be fair BY, I think he’s attempting to riff on the parody of how English speakers behave when they’re abroad.
        
        No, the joke didn’t go over your head, you didn’t notice because it had fallen flat on its face…
        
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        August 29, 2022 11:05am
      - Harry Knuts
        
        reeks of angry little man syndrome too. wide berth for that fella.
        
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        August 29, 2022 1:12pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Shouting at people in Moari, your first thought would be ‘which care center did he escape from?’”
      
      Or in the case of Chinese people to phone the police. 🙁
      
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      August 29, 2022 9:47am
    - The Scunner Campbell
      
      I’d call the police!
      
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      August 29, 2022 1:46pm
  - leoj
    
    Apart from established place names, any time a maori word is included in conversation, I stop the speaker and ask what the word means.
    
    Then, I state: “Why didn’t you use english in the first place. You just wasted my time.”
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:56am
- graham
  
  If Joel Maxwell wants to speak nothing but Maori for the month of September, good on him. But he sums up the problem in his second paragraph:
  
  I will share conversations with puzzled-looking shop staff, who don’t understand a word I’m saying.
  
  Apparently it’s something called “Mahuru Māori”, where the goal is to “make a conscious effort to use more te reo Māori” during September.
  
  I can’t help but chuckle at his (actually quite realistic) description of a likely scenario:
  
  I will say something simple … and I will get a puzzled look on the face of the person with whom I am conversing. They just asked me how I was going, now they’re getting a slab of unexpected reo shaming.
  
  Hmm. I don’t understand why he refers to “reo shaming“; am I supposed to suddenly be overwhelmed with shame and mortified that I can’t speak Maori? Yeah, nah, that’s not going to happen.
  
  I’ll just say the thing I initially said again, only slowly … I’ll persevere – repeating it for a third time, slowly and more loudly. I will wave my hands a little now, too … The final stage will be charades – acting out emotional states, intentions, my simple wish for a cup of coffee.
  
  Mr Maxwell compares this experience to being in a foreign country and unable to communicate with people because you don’t understand the language. But – as has been discussed many times – how many people in New Zealand only understand Maori and don’t understand English? I’d be willing to bet the number is infinitesimal, if not zero. Compare that to the number of people who only understand Mandarin, which I would guess is quite a few.
  
  His attitude seems to be, “Everybody in New Zealand should understand Maori, and if you don’t I’m going to grandstand and make a scene and quite possibly embarrass you”. Why? What purpose does that serve, other than making some sort of point in your own mind, but embarrassing everyone around you?
  
  If Mr Maxwell wants to spend his time learning another language, good for him. I happen to enjoy spending my time learning to play the piano, which takes time and effort, just as learning a language does. I do this mostly for my own enjoyment and satisfaction, and I don’t expect everybody else around me to be as interested in my hobby as I am. I certainly don’t expect them to learn music theory so I can converse with them about my hobby. Why does Mr Maxwell expect everybody to invest their own time and effort into learning Maori, simply so he can make use of what is – essentially – a hobby?
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maxwell should spend some time actually ‘thinking’ in English. Then he may understand why we don’t want Moari shit forced on us We can learn if we wish, but we should not be forced to learn.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:43am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    So basically he is going to try and budgeon and shame people who have zero interest in his language and cultural in to being plastic Maori.
    
    Maxwell has been an offensive racist prick, in my humble opinion based on his pitiful opinion pieces, but he is taking it to another level.
    
    No taxpayers money should end in his pocket. He wants to mount a crusade he should do it on his own dime..
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:46am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      He is a prime example of a useful idiot. An overpaid useful idiot at that.
      
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      August 29, 2022 10:57am
      - Taieri
        
        He is a prime example of a useful idiot.
        ———–
        
        How an idiot can be useful? Care to explain?
        
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        August 29, 2022 1:28pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        @Taieri.
        
        “In political jargon, a useful idiot is a term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause’s goals, and who is cynically used by the cause’s leaders.”
        
        There you go.
        
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        August 29, 2022 2:30pm
  - Yvette
    
    Graham –
    Joel Maxwell ”I will say something simple … and I will get a puzzled look on the face of the person with whom I am conversing. They just asked me how I was going, now they’re getting a slab of unexpected reo shaming.”
    Graham – Hmm. I don’t understand why he refers to “reo shaming“; am I supposed to suddenly be overwhelmed with shame and mortified that I can’t speak Maori? Yeah, nah, that’s not going to happen.
    
    Those who may “be overwhelmed with shame and mortified that they can’t speak Maori” may be other Maori.
    I was told by a Maori teacher not to address a person you believe to be Maori, in Maori, for the shame it may engender if they can not reply in Maori. So with that sensitivity, considerable use of the language is compromised.
    So, is a certain element of racism involved in who you will select (profile) to talk to, and if you make a mistake and demean or shame who you talk to, is that also racism?
    Haere ki te whakaaro i tera – go figure that out
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I understand a bit about languages. There are are three reasons to learn Maori:
    
    1. You work with Maori communities and you need to give speeches at Marae and similiar settings.
    
    2. You are ‘woke’ and want to impress your woke friends who will be either Green or Labour supporters, living in the wealthier suburbs of Wellington, who like drinking pinot gris and comparing their real estate portfolios.
    
    3. You want a job in the New Zealand public service.
    
    That is it.
    
    On the other hand, you could learn Spanish, German, or Mandarin and an entire new world will open up to you.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:54am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “They just asked me how I was going, now they’re getting a slab of unexpected reo shaming.”
    
    Makes me mad. How would it go down if I “English shamed” a Maori person who has terrible English pronunciation and grammar. It would end with a punch in the face or an expose article on Stuff profiling my ‘racism’.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:57am
  - alloytoo
    
    So what would he do if I replied to him in my second language, escalating the timing and volume to match his?
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:48am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    luckily he will only being carrying out this thinly veiled insult in Tawa with his angry little attitude.
    
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    August 29, 2022 1:16pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Maxwell identifies as a posturing prick.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Got to love this comment on the article:
  
  “There is no such thing as a pure English language is an accumulation of words and constructions from a whole conglomeration of other languages.”
  
  My “Fowler’s Dictionary of Modern English Usage” says otherwise 🙂
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:29am
  - Ian Boag
    
    There’s a good article about minority languages in the latest Economist. You can sign up to get a few free articles/month if you don’t want to pay the $500 or so for an annual sub.
    
    Anyway they look at Basque, Irish and Welsh. Irish is the official first language of the republic. A moderate % are familiar with it, a miniscule % actually use it. There was apparently a very funny TV episode of something where the central figure tried to spend a day speaking nothing but Irish. Didn’t work. Welsh is a similar story.
    
    Maori gets a mention as a work in progress. The common feature of these languages is that the users are the very old (who learned it as children many moons ago) and the very young who learn it at school.
    
    An objective view of the issue.
    
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    December 29, 2021 10:54am
  - Jack5
    
    The comment Benedict refers to is especially laughable when the article is illustrated with a photo of a block of chocolate carrying the worrds “miraka krimi” for “milk chocolate”.
    
    Stuff is one big Woke Joke.
    
    All languages borrow, but few borrow so much and so quickly from one source as Maori has. One of the interesting early borrowings was “puru” for blue.
    
    Maori did not seem to have words to distinguish blue from green. (Absence for words for some colours isn’t unique in languages: some scholars believe the Ancient Greeks confused red and blue.)
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:47am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      English did not have the word ‘orange’ until the eponymous fruit arrived.
      
      Hence Robin Redbreast, even though the bird in question is coloured orange to the modern eye.
      
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      August 29, 2022 1:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        Before the arrival of the citrus orange in their countries, European languages used “yellow-red” to describe the colour orange.
        
        For example, in Old English, “geoluhread”.
        
        A Latin enthusiast might explain if in Latin there are indeed two words for the colour, as some say: reddish-yellow, rutilus; orange, croceus.
        
        More English trivia: Russians seem to distinguish light and dark blue as separate colours, and the Russian language has a word for each (no use giving you the Cyrillic characters here).
        
        Gladstone the English PM for 12 years, was also a keen student of Greek literature, and was prominent in the debate on why Homer wrote of the “wine red sea”. From the interest he created, some early European settlers took interest in the range of colour words in the Maori language.
        
        An article on colours in various languages from Elsevier:
        
        https://scitechconnect.elsevier.com/languages-dont-have-same-number-terms-colors/
        
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        August 29, 2022 2:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re NeverMindTheBollocks’s 1.26 post …
        
        Britain’s Royal Society for the Protection of Birds says the Robin Red Breast has a “bright red breast”.
        
        It qualifies this with, “Young birds have no red breast and are spotted with golden brown.”
        
        https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/wildlife-guides/bird-a-z/robin/
        
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        August 29, 2022 11:32pm
  - namron
    
    With the Maori language being a stone-age language,
    to make it relevant, it has been necessary to
    Maori-ise commonly used words for it to make any sense and/or be of any use.
    See if you can guess these “maori words”!!
    netiporo – netball, kutikuti – scissors,
    ukurere – ukulele, piana – piano,
    whutuporo – football, ti – tea,
    panama – banana, tihewa – sneeze,
    motuka – car, kau – cow
    Pathetic, isn’t it?
    
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    August 29, 2022 12:28pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      iraq – iraki
      
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      August 29, 2022 1:18pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  We need a braille version too. Isn’t “sign” an official language?
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:51am
Maggie Pie

MONDAY-MORNING-MIRTH….

Poor old thing is just looking for a hand to shake 😀

https://twitter.com/johnhackeria/status/1563943870534078464

(Full screen – Sound up)
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August 29, 2022 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, so sad to watch a demented person, especially one who once again wants to shake hands with thin air. Jill must be at the end of her tether.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is sad. My Parner’s Father had dementia. Ended up in a rest home, on a mattress on the floor. I was the only one he recognised. Communication was mostly ok, but would sometimes turn to unreasonable demands, and not grasping what we were talking about. Very hard for him, but also hard for the people close to him.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shows how desperate and cruel the Democrats are, using him like that.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    She certainly has him on a tether.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:25am
- Loddenthinks
  
  This is nearly as much abuse of a helpless cognitively-impaired child as what Greta Thunberg’s parents have done to her.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Greta has been programmed so quickly that she does not know she is being used
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:57am
- Opie
  
  Poor old sleepy Joe
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:04am
- Rich Prick
  
  Has anyone tried turning him off and back on again?
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well the warning is there – the ‘check engine’ logo on his forehead (see The United Spot)
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He will have the whole military doing that soon – marching backwards
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:45am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Did you see my post the other day about how Trumpie has been charged with attempted murder? Apparently when they raided his safe they found dopey Joe’s side stand for his bike in there.
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:00am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Open day at the resthome again.
  
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  August 29, 2022 1:19pm
- mogg
  
  Even Trump has stopped making fun of Joe, it wouldn’t be fair.
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is not fair. The Dems are flogging a dead horse. It is really disgusting
    
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    August 29, 2022 5:49pm
pdm

Oooops sorry Maggie hit report in error – eyes elswhere.
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August 29, 2022 8:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  A-HOLE! Watch what you’re doing 😀
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:30am
  - pdm
    
    Thats not nice Maggie.
    
    I could have been like a lefty, ducked away and hid and not apologised.
    
    You know – made like Jacinda and her Cabinet.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:52am
Chris2

So the herald has an online story today trumpeting how a 57 year-old has a job for the first time in 10 years, working in an orchard, and how wonderful it all is, which is is.

But nowhere in the story does it touch on WHY this man was unemployed for a decade and why (presumably) he lived off the taxpayer for all that time.
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August 29, 2022 9:06am
- Simon
  
  ” the story does it touch on WHY this man was unemployed for a decade”
  
  Suspect he worked in one of the dozens of useless govt departments and couldnt live with himself any longer and decided to get a job.
  
  There are ten of thousands of “unemployed” working in govt departments.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought the number was much higher.
    They go to their place of employment to eat their lunch and collect a payslip.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:02am
- Countrygirl
  
  The kiwifruit jobs have been around all those 10 years so I’m unsure why he suddenly saw the light. However it is a good news story so better take it as that rather than speculating whether he was obliged to live somewhere else for a while.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:54am
- Ehlana
  
  Ten years ago there may have been a legitimate reason why he was unable to work for some time. Unfortunately, the longer people spend not going to work, the less likely it is that will return to it. That is why it is important to engage with people as soon as possible if they are not able to return to work themselves, and to persist in supporting their return to work. Not just leave them languishing on the dole.
  
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  August 29, 2022 3:06pm
Tony Stuart

In an interview this morning, Jacinda Ardern was asked about Trevor Mallard’s many indiscretions and gave the opinion that they were just “bumps in the road”.

I wonder if the Parliamentary staffer who lost his job and had his reputation trashed by Mallard’s false accusation of rape regards that as just a bump in the road. Somehow, I doubt it.
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August 29, 2022 9:15am
- Alex
  
  What about Winston’s banning from parliament.
  The new speaker had to apologise to Winston the day after Mallard left.
  Even the duck admitted he had crossed a line.
  All this to keep his great friend Jacinda happy.
  She attended his wedding.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:32am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Did she finally get married? And if yes, who to?
    
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    August 29, 2022 12:34pm
- Ghost
  
  I wonder how she would describe her good friend Darren Hughes’s behaviour
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:03am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    He pops back to NZ quite often and catches up with his besties in Parliament
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We have seen pics of them partying together, she will see him as innocent
    
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    August 29, 2022 8:06pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yep, just like Dr Sharma the bump in the road was flattened pretty quickly by the steam-rolling Labour propaganda machine, driven by the MSM.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:07am
- kowtow
  
  As mentioned earlier Demo Proj peice is excellent and yet worrying.
  
  “Trevor Mallard is widely regarded as the worst Speaker of Parliament the country has ever had. He has always been a controversial and divisive figure, prone to temper tantrums and nasty attacks, but in his role as Speaker he has seriously botched a number of issues he has been responsible for………
  
  “Mallard’s new job is a crony political appointment. It goes against the ethos of New Zealand public service values in which public servants are selected based on political neutrality and professionalism. Instead, he’s been selected because of his political connections, and as a way to get rid of an embarrassment…….
  
  The Public Service Act passed in 1912 was supposed to prevent this type of behaviour by our politicians. This landmark legislation came after years of government ministers rewarding their mates and supporters with plum civil service jobs. After years of such patronage and cronyism, New Zealand’s new rules were meant to prevent corruption.”
  
  The appointment is as much an indictment of the Princess as it is of her Thug.
  
  https://democracyproject.nz/2022/08/26/bryce-edwards-mallards-diplomatic-appointment-lacks-integrity/
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:32am
  - Paulus
    
    Has he not only got the job because he has whanau there ?
    
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    August 29, 2022 2:31pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Have you seen the state of our roads lately, Tony?
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:06am
- Philview
  
  Then there was also that 2011 defamation court case that he lost. Just another bump in the road.
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:22am
- Harry Knuts
  
  so a criminal offense is a bump in the road. good to know. Explains Cindy soft on crime position once again.
  
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  August 29, 2022 1:21pm
Takere

Is this guy Paul Majurey, Auckland Councils eke Panuku’s chairman running some sort of housing development scam out of Panuku?

Have a look at his business interests and see for yourself here.

https://majureysmoves.wordpress.com/home/business-power/
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August 29, 2022 9:21am
Alex

The Sunday Herald cartoon by Body, sums it up well.
National are going to look into fringe parties.
Get a sniff of them so to speak!
Well I never!
So Bishop Brian’s time at the barricades has paid off.
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August 29, 2022 9:22am
Maggie Pie

CHINESE PUZZLE 🙁

A Twitter-bestie retweets.

“How HARD IS IT to get into ChyNah?”

You can unroll this sequence of tweets for a hair-raising description of the very complicated process of travel to the Peoples Republic while under strict Covid/control. Certainly not for the faint-hearted!

https://twitter.com/JustineJankows1/status/1559791884930650112

(Clik-to-translate)
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August 29, 2022 9:43am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, once China was ‘the place’ to visit, especially the Wall, but shit this is crazy stuff. Perhaps karma for the country that started all this covid crap.
  
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  August 29, 2022 9:54am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I recommend reading “Snake Oil” by Michael P Senger. It’s a great read about the whole covid narrative and the role of Xi Jinping in shutting down the planet. I don’t know if it is all true but it is well researched and has plenty of links to support the theories of the author.
    
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snake-Oil-Jinping-Shut-World/dp/1957083786
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Almost as bad as getting an OIA request from a NZ government department.
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:06am
plc

Story in Stuff this morning written by a Professor of Ecology at the University of Waikato.

“Unlike deer in contemporary New Zealand, moa faced a deadly predator throughout the entire country”

Now I know what you are all thinking….but please be educated. what wiped out the Moa was……

“the Haast Eagle”

Guess we just ignore the elephant in the room from now on.
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August 29, 2022 9:43am
- Jack5
  
  There’s no question Maori ate out moa.
  
  That bloody great eagle lived on moa for centuries, probably even millennia, without wiping it out.
  
  The eagle died out when the big-bird fast food network folded.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:52am
  - Swifty
    
    But we are told daily that Te Ao Maori features excellent custodianship and care for the environment….
    
    Snigger.
    
    We are being openly lied to.
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:06am
  - kowtow
    
    No no no guardians of the environment and all that .
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That makes way more logical sense than the claims of the idiot at Waikato.
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:11am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The food controls the predator unless the predator has other food options.
    
    The coming of the Maori was the first extinction wave, the colonists next. The supposed climate change one hasn’t happened. Almost all of NZ’s result from the first two.
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:16am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  And the Haast eagle was only known (confirmed) to be present in the South Island.
  So ‘throughout the entire country’ is a pretty categorical statement for what is purely an opinion that seems counter to current facts.
  
  Our standard of professors does not seem to be great in NZ, based on the ones that get rolled out for comment in our media.
  
  I did discuss with an archeologist that it seems odd the Hasst eagle would not get to the North, when birds reach here from Australia, but he suggested that habitat preferences might that initial population never established themselves in the NI (…that we know of) or else evidence has not yet been found.
  Interesting to note that there are rather less moahunter sites in the North Island than the south, in terms of major moa butcheries, so may be that the larger/largest moa species were more abundant further south. Moa bone that I have found in early-period middens in the north island seem to be partly (if not all) sub fossil bone that might be found in dunes from long dead animals and then turned to fish-hooks. If there were more moa hunting sites in the north island they may have been at river mouths and been lost over the last 6-700 years.
  Taranaki coastal and Mt Camel sites in Northland are some notable North Island ‘moahunter’ sites.
  (Note the term moahunter is a bit deceptive, as defining a time period by diet when sea mammals or fish/shellfish might have been more important for most, however I still use it despite ‘Archaic East Polynesian’ is a much better term for the material culture/artefacts and people in NZ at that time).
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
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  You seem to have misunderstood this article.
  Chris Lusk is NOT arguing that Moa became extinct because of Haast Eagle predation.
  
  He is merely stating that some moa populations had a natural predator…. Haast Eagle – unlike NZ’s deer population.
  
  As Fuzzysnuggleduck notes, Chris Lusk is wrong to imply that all Moa populations were predated upon by Haast Eagle….as this large bird seems to have been confined to southern NZ (South Island and Stewart Island).
  
  Because of the moa-browsing hypothesis for the presence of divaricating plants in NZ, some people have argued that it is OK to have deer in our forests as they are now playing the same ecological role as moa did… by browsing native plants.
  
  Lusk’s work pretty much explodes the moa-browsing origin of divaricating plants … and as such offers no support for the claim that deer are moa -browsing substitutes.
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:23pm
  - plc
    
    “He is merely stating that some moa populations had a natural predator…. Haast Eagle”
    
    I may be going out on a limb here…but I’m saying the moa population had a bigger natural predator than the Haast Eagle (who are strangely not mentioned as such in the article).
    
    So no I don’t think I’m missing the “purpose” of the article.
    
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    August 29, 2022 4:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The purpose of the article is in its title:
      
      Ice Age or moa browsing? Why NZ has so many weird and wiry plants
      
      and is a popular account of Chris Lusk’s research on the evolution of divaricating plants in NZ.
      
      Based on this paper:
      A dated phylogeny shows Plio-Pleistocene climates spurred evolution of antibrowsing defences in the New Zealand flora
      https://nph.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/nph.17766
      
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      August 29, 2022 5:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Basically Lusk is talking about evolutionary forces on our native trees and shrubs over the last 5 million years.
        
        He’s not discussing the very short time interval between 1300 and 1500 (1450) when Maori (East Polynesian settlers) hunted Moa and rendered them and their natural predator Haast Eagle extinct.
        
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        August 29, 2022 6:02pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Many NZ plants are quite obviously evolved to deal with the Moa browsing; the height at which the lancewood changes leaf forms from jagged and long to soft and round once above the browsing height of the largest; Dinornis Giganteus.
        Other native plant undergo change of foliage at height.
        I have quote a few examples of the ‘wiry’ types planted, and the leaves being inside the mass of wiry twigs make good sense as a defence from browsing by beak-clipping.
        This is also why the moa carried gizzard stones/crop stone (to grind the hard twiggy material).
        Swamp finds with moa bones confirm woody coprosma twigs being digested.
        Muehlenbeckia is a another plant I find visually appealing, and I have often pointed them out as being evolved to deal with moa browsing and don’t see a reason to doubt it.
        
        BTW – the presence of moa can be seen by crop stone deposits even when no bones are to be found. The polishing of some types of stone suggests that the stones many have even been polished by more than one bird (as Trevor Worthy suggested to me), if they were ever passed thorugh the body, or ancient moa found crop stone deposits from even more-ancient moa.
        
        Something to look out for in the hollows of sand dunes….distinct patches of what look like water-worn/polished pebbles.
        When such sand hills were accumulated by wind action during the last Ice Age (then low sea levels) anything much heavier than a sand grain is there due to human or animal action.
        It is possible to find anything from human bones, bones from extinct animals through to stone adzes or pieces of greenstone if you are lucky {right place/right time}.
        
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        August 29, 2022 7:00pm
Ghost

Thanks labour, you bunch of bleeps. We need these people, so get off your lazy backsides and do everything to keep them, because no one will want to be a nurse from watching Shortland street

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/nurses-plan-to-leave-new-zealand-over-residency-rules.html

Frustrated New Zealand-trained migrant nurses are planning to leave the country because they cannot find an immediate path to residency, just as the government tries to entice foreigners to fill thousands of jobs in hospitals, aged care and clinics.
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August 29, 2022 9:58am
hullkiwi

A question that came out of the the emergency that occurred on Friday morning at a Halsey Street construction site.

Which party is wanting a Darwin Award more?

1. The group of workers who were doing their fry up in a sealed port-a-cabin using a gas portable cooker. Didn’t anyone get a smell of gas before igniting the cooker?

Or

2. Richard Wagstaff, who in response to 1. above, wants an enquiry into construction site health & safety practices. He was trying to point the finger at the industry.

So, on 1 hand we have a group of idiots wanting to kill themselves, and the other hand a union leader wanting to kill his career by being stupid and not realising that Friday was just basic stupidity, and no enquiry will ever stop an idiot being stupid.
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August 29, 2022 10:00am
- Ghost
  
  A man who had worked with those injured told Stuff the explosion happened inside a portacom at the site.
  
  “One of the boys was cooking some leftover meat last night and I think the gas cooker must’ve accidentally been left on.
  
  “This morning when people opened it up it exploded,” the man told Stuff.
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/auckland-wharf-explosion-five-injured-major-incident-unfolding/
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:36am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    A smoker plus gas = disaster?
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:53am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Ghost, sorry, but as unfortunate as the incident was, the story is about numpties not being careful with LPG in a confined space, and Wagstaff wanting an enquiry into stupidity.
    
    It is a building site with port-acabins, gas cookers and workers. Short of a clipboard safety inspector on their shoulders all day, you cannot stop such incidents occurring unless employers test for common sense and IQ.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:59am
- Colville
  
  Lpg is heavier than air and sits on the floor waiting for a spark.
  You can’t smell it because your nose isn’t down there.
  Every now and then a hunting hut blows up and kills someone just the same way.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:50am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Not convinced about no smell. It has to be mixed with oxygen to explode so there is mixing and noses are sensitive.
    
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    August 29, 2022 7:34pm
Swifty

Unwittingly and I’m sure to their great horror, The Herald and everyone connected to this story make an excellent case for the abolition of the minimum wage:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/maori-unemployment-at-historic-low-first-job-in-10-years-for-one-first-medical-professional-in-whanau-for-another/IXRGT7XCH4PDUBOLUCO676FWVU/
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August 29, 2022 10:14am
Surely Knott

Siouxie Wiles is pushing the monkey pox vaccine. “The even better news is that there is already a monkeypox vaccine approved for use in people.”
“The bad news is that the vaccine is made by only one company in the world…”

So i googled. Turns out what she’s not telling us is the monkey pox vaccine “JYNNEOS Vaccine” is another vaccine that will be delivered under emergency use authorisation issued in the USA in Aug 2022. The vaccine is older but the eua allows them to deliver it “intradermally” eg between layers of skin. instead of subcutaneous. Intradermally means they can split one vaccine into 5 products which ties in nicely with Wiles story that their is not enough of the vaccine . The EUA will also allow vaccination for under 18 yrs old. I can’t find anything about the vaccine on medsafe. Is this article the PR to prime the public for another EUA in NZ.

If Siouxie Wiles wants us to have trust in vaccines and the medical establishment they should tell us the whole story.
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August 29, 2022 10:15am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  This pox is only virulent for blokes have sex with blokes. It is not an epidemic apart from in that particular group.
  
  Don’t want monkeypox?? Dont have sex with another bloke. SIMPLE
  
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  August 29, 2022 12:59pm
Ghost

Damn, what animals. Don’t want to pay for extra sauce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75m8MzOiI4M
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August 29, 2022 10:25am
Libertarians are right

I’ve had a read of the redacted Trump affidavit and further to my comment from Friday, it didn’t mention Trump having any Agency documents. As stated on Friday, that would have meant real trouble for Trump as he doesn’t have a right of access to Agency Documents. That would have been, unquestioningly, a crime that Trump could have gone down for.

If Trump’s lawyers can prove that Trump had a legal right to access the documents he had under the PRA, then the warrant may be found to be illegal. Again, there is no evidence in the redacted affidavit that he was making NDI available or destroying anything.

The sole evidence provided in the redacted affidavit was that he held the documents but under the legislation referenced in the affidavit, he had to have been holding it illegally. There is definitely an argument under the PRA that that’s not the case.
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August 29, 2022 10:33am
- All_on_Red
  
  We had Virtualmark telling us last week that Reinhart was appointed by Trump and was a “Federal Court Judge”.
  No he isnt. Here is a Professor of Law from Columbia Law explaining.
  ‘Leave aside whether there was a good reason to issue the warrant. A more basic question is whether the Hon. Bruce Reinhart could constitutionally issue it. ‘
  ‘The problem is that Reinhart is a so-called magistrate judge…’
  ‘To be precise, he is not a judge of a court of the United States. The judicial power of the United States is vested in its courts. In the exercise of this power, judges of those courts can issue search warrants. But a magistrate judge is just an assistant to a court and its judges. Not being a judge of one of the courts of the United States, he cannot constitutionally exercise the judicial power of the United States. That means he cannot issue a search warrant.’
  https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/26/can-magistrate-judges-constitutionally-issue-search-warrants-against-trump-or-anyone-else/
  My view is that this will just die. They got the Documents back. People wanking over the Espionage BS are just falling for the FBI/ WapoNYT feedback loop where the FBI leak, they publish and there we go, a basis for the bullshit to happen.
  They do this all the time and people fall for it all the time- like they did the Russia Hoax
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:50am
  - virtualmark
    
    Sigh.
    
    Red. Go and red the US Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. Rule 41 sets out the requirements for search warrants. You can see that at https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_41
    
    Note Rule 41(b). Search warrants are handled by ***magistrate judges***.
    
    Your “Professor of Law from Columbia Law” clearly doesn’t come from a criminal law background. More tellingly, this is just yet another example of the right-wing media (intentionally?) lying. Or being inept.
    
    So choose your player Red, are they lying to you or just ignorant? Either way, why do you keep believing that crap? Are you that gullible?
    
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    August 29, 2022 2:27pm
Im Right

Learning Spanish opens up many countries that have that language, ditto French and almost every country has a big population of Mandarin speakers.
Leave NZ and NO ONE speaks maori.
Of the 17% of maori in NZ population, how many are fluent in the language? 10% of the 17%….or thereabouts?
But it soaks up hundreds of millions of Govt cash each year, no matter how much is poured into the language it always seems to be that it’s never maoris fault, in their own people being too lazy to learn, always whities fault eh!
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August 29, 2022 10:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes about that…
  
  “Overall, 50,000 adults (11 percent) could speak te reo Māori very well or well, 12 percent could speak fairly well, and 32 percent could talk about simple/basic things in te reo. The remaining 45 percent could speak no more than a few words or phrases.”
  
  https://socialreport.msd.govt.nz/cultural-identity/maori-language-speakers.html#:~:text=46%20Overall%2C%2050%2C000%20adults%20(11,a%20few%20words%20or%20phrases.
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:51am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I don’t believe for a second that 50% of Maori can have simple discussions in Te Reo.
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:57am
    - david
      
      Simple discussions in English are a stretch for some.
      
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      August 29, 2022 12:01pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    But what can you say and communicate in Maori other than your virtue signalling and racism?
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:58am
  - kevn
    
    @BY… Useful if you want to work… in the public service. Internationally? Useless.
    
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    August 29, 2022 11:01am
- ISeeRed
  
  The only benefit I see for using Maori when overseas is trashtalking the locals without them knowing or needing to talk privately in public. Maori seems pretty much useless beyond normal everyday conversation.
  
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  August 29, 2022 7:54pm
Ghost

Who knew a labour government could have so many strikes

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/08/primary-healthcare-nurses-to-rally-across-the-country-demanding-fairer-pay.html

Primary healthcare nurses will hold rallies across the motu today demanding their pay be more in line with what their counterparts at Te Whatu Ora Health receive.

Nurses who work in general practice, Plunket, Māori and iwi, Urgent Care and Family Planning will hold rallies in Auckland, Tauranga, Hamilton, Wellington and Christchurch.
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August 29, 2022 10:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Remember the first election debate in 2017?
  
  But the focus on Labour’s Fair Pay platform gave Ardern one of her best moments of the hour-long debate. She accused English of scaremongering, said the model for the fair pay agreements in different sectors would be the care workers’ deal which she said she was proud of and she was sure English was too. She expected one or two agreements each year under which employers in an industry would agree to raise wages..
  
  English said the system would take New Zealand back to the 1970s. “They used to call them national awards,” he said. “We have industrial relations that are pretty settled. The last Labour government made adjustments to it very broadly and we accepted them.”
  
  Questioned directly by moderator Mike Hosking (who was exacting on both, in his rat-a-tat, pop-economist kind-of way) whether New Zealand could be in for national strikes, Ardern had her most emphatic moment: “No. We. Will. Not.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/96388899/jacinda-ardern-shows-every-sign-of-being-the-real-deal-after-first-debate
  
  Firefighters right across the country on Friday, primary health nurses right across the country today, but no, there’ll be no nationwide strikes on Jacinda’s watch!
  
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  August 29, 2022 10:51am
  - Ghost
    
    What shall we call them! Get together? Oh I know, training exercises for when a national government is in office?
    
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    August 29, 2022 10:55am
Handyman

British Green Poll Tax.
The UK power prices are going up from NZD 3,000 to NZD 9,000 pa.

The only way it could get worse is to convert all essential services to electricity (eg ban gas in the home for cooking and heating and ban sale of petrol cars) to double electricity demand.
What happened the last time a poll tax was proposed in the UK?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/08/28/green-energy-fail-british-union-boss-predicts-riots-1990s-style-uprising/
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August 29, 2022 10:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  That’s nuts. Electricity from a big diesel genset costs about USD $0.2-0.25/kWh at internationally traded cost of diesel. There are a huge number of such gensets around for commercial operations that need backup power – probably enough to stabilize grid. That should provide an easy, and not that much more expensive option to get through a power crisis.
  
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  August 29, 2022 5:18pm
Surely Knott

Huge scoop from BFD they deserve recognition for this one.

They have published interpol emails between NZ and Canberra that showed Avi from Rebel News wasn’t banned because of a domestic with his wife. It was because they had said he was “posing as a reporter” had links to Chantelle Baker and was “far-right” and had called himself a Jewish Nazi.. (Which was a tongue and cheek response to people calling him a Nazi – where he responded yeah right and pointed out he is actually Jewish ). So it was for political reasons he was banned entry. The govt didn’t want reporters covering the protestor. Avi from Rebel News was banned and Chantelle taken off facebook right before the protests. What is happening to our country?

https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/08/29/rebel-news-reacts/
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August 29, 2022 11:02am
- Ghost
  
  Scoop from bfd? Na, from Avi on rebel news
  
  https://www.rebelnews.com/secret_interpol_memo_on_avi_yemini_nz_ban_leaked
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:33am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Read the article
    
    It says that ” the info was leaked to NZ’s fastest growing news sight the BFD”
    
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    August 29, 2022 12:57pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      “News sight” – lol
      
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      August 29, 2022 7:27pm
- Clownworld
  
  What isn’t happening?
  
  Conspiracy fact…disinformation and media and immigration and police at bequest of their current government banned someone on dubious grounds because the government disagrees with their politics.
  
  New Zimbabwe ?
  
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  August 29, 2022 12:01pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, I’m getting sooo sick of all this “be kind” shit.
I’ve decided to become a right BITCH to people from now on!!
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August 29, 2022 11:10am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Careful Maggie. They’ll want you in the Labour party.
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:20am
- Ghost
  
  What do you mean from now on?
  
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  August 29, 2022 11:28am
- Harry Knuts
  
  thought you already achieved that!! hahaha sarc… keep being you! 🙂 bitchy and all..
  
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  August 29, 2022 1:28pm
ClanMcleod

Excess mortality on the increase right around the world. These are not covid deaths. The spikes of these deaths coincide with vaccine rollouts and booster rollouts. Dr John Campbell does a short video post on the subject.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snake-Oil-Jinping-Shut-World/dp/1957083786
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August 29, 2022 11:16am
ClanMcleod

Further evidence that the rise in excess mortality is associated with the vaccine rollout.

“It turns out that when you account for historical mortality trends, the virus no longer looks so dangerous, and the vaccines no longer look so great.”

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/exhaustive-study-of-german-mortality

This vaccination programme must be halted immediately and an investigation urgently begun.
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August 29, 2022 11:20am
ClanMcleod

Relative to the above comments regarding vaccine connected excess mortality, Paul Joseph Watson does a video post on the topic and holds nothing back. Worth watching in full.
As one commenter stated:

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it’s time to pause and reflect. – Mark Twain.”

We were right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDaqNgOsw6M&t=311s
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August 29, 2022 11:24am
Maggie Pie

The Question: “What do you see?”

My Answer: Budgies.

https://twitter.com/ZerkeeB/status/1563758907109023744

You??
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August 29, 2022 11:28am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Hans and Victor should be proud of what they achieved for their country.
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:34pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hioylytN7Ng

Is this part of the reason Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield resigned? Watch his face.

Jacinda caught lying openly, watch Ashleys face closely. To get this information required persistent digging and the Government held back the details for 4 months. By the time the OIA details were released they were acting illegally.
Show less. [4:46]
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August 29, 2022 11:51am
- Harry Knuts
  
  First illegal action was lockdown march 2020. But not once was anything done about consequences of breaking that law. Jacinda gets away with breaking the law like a teenagers stealing cars and robbing businesses. Seems the law is for all but 1.
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIVeZpq-wQg
Why did she run away? Watch as Kate Hannah is questioned about her Government funded research.

Kate Hannah is the Director of the Government funded ‘Disinformation Project’ based in New Zealand. She held a talk on her research and one of her subjects was in the audience to question the conclusions. Watch as Kate shuts down questioning and promptly exists the room after being questioned by a reporter and a scientist. [13:39]
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August 29, 2022 11:51am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  ~~Director~~ Chief propagandist
  
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  August 29, 2022 12:19pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  the Disinformation Project clearly lacks credibility and professionalism. Seems Kate Hannah needs more lessons on how to engage with someone she disagrees with rather just laugh at them. Very unprofessional and outright bitchy.
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:53pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  As pointed out clearly a number of times. They NEVER give examples of what it is they claim is dis/misinformation. Because they can’t, because they know their narrative would be shredded in a heartbeat.
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:56pm
Benedict Yu

Lesbians ejected from UK Pride Parade because they refuse to have sex with trans women.

🙁

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-lesbians-no-longer-welcome-at-pride-
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August 29, 2022 11:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The world has become extremely weird. Is this what getting older involves? I remember being a kid and thinking the older generation were “out of touch”. Am I “out of touch”? Bizarre.
  I think I’ll just stop trying to understand it.
  
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  August 29, 2022 12:23pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is becoming extremely weird.
    
    Recent case in the USA. Woman spotted a ‘trans woman’ in the female locker room who clearly had a penis and was staring at two young girls. Woman told him to get out.
    
    Bad move. The emergency was so grave that the pool had to be shut. The woman who complained was permanently banned from the pool.
    
    https://katv.com/news/nation-world/woman-80-banned-from-ymca-pool-after-clash-over-trans-woman-in-locker-room-washington-state-mountain-view-pool-port-townsend-controversy-alleged-code-of-conduct-violations
    
    Seriously how can it be OK for young girls to be exposed (literally) to a ‘woman’ next to them with a penis?
    
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    August 29, 2022 12:32pm
    - Ghost
      
      I was told by a friend who is a retired teacher in Washington State, that family members are taking their children out of school and home schooling them because the school has decided that kids can decide what gender they are and what bathroom they want to use without telling the parents.
      
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      August 29, 2022 12:35pm
  - cjn
    
    Weird? In Miami there is a gun buy-back. You get money, the guns allegedly go to Ukraine, the citizens of Ukraine can use them to shoot anyone they like, or don’t like. No rules. Weird?
    
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    August 29, 2022 4:21pm
    - Ghost
      
      damn, I had to google to see if it was true.
      
      https://www.miamigov.com/My-Government/Guns-4-Ukraine
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/20/miami-police-ukraine-gun-buyback-weapons/
      
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      August 29, 2022 4:29pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I thought these types were into diversity and inclusion. It seems they are not.
  
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  August 29, 2022 1:24pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  gosh makes you wonder what they do when the gay guy refuses to have sex with the person that identifies as a cat.
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:54pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I want to know what’s going to happen when actual cats refuse to have sex with transpecies cats.
    
    Also, how can a school child identify as a cat? Cats don’t go to school.
    
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    August 29, 2022 5:31pm
Gravelroad

One of the workers here who listens to newstalkzb on the truck radio has just come in highly pissed off.
Heard one of those segments where MP’s from opposing parties talk about issues.
Today’s selection was Chris Bishop ( National) and Ginny Anderson (Labour) – but no difference between them in what they had to say – all friends together apparently.
Is Chris Bishop in the right party? Or does he just want to be liked?
Is there really all that much difference between National and Labour?
Worker says “No”.
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August 29, 2022 12:16pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I quite liked Chris Bishop until he went retard over the COVID vaccines. I switched off permanently when he advocated banning the unvaccinated from buying food at supermarkets.
  
  AFAIK there was nobody in National who followed the emerging evidence about the vaccine efficacy, which clearly pointed to ‘vaccine passports’ being an absurd policy. I mean if I can keep up with the data, surely National can appoint someone in the Party to prepare ‘weekly briefs’ for all MPs. Hell I would have done it for a modest fee.
  
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  August 29, 2022 12:25pm
  - DimChappie
    
    Yes the idiot was even in favour of vaxing kiddies. I emailed him that my previous high opinion of him had changed.
    
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    August 29, 2022 12:39pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      DimChappie – I did the same. He told me they get all those other vaccine so what’s the problem…….
      I’ve emailed him again recently asking if he has modified his position in the light of overwhelming new evidence that the jab is far more dangerous than covid for the vast majority of people, particularly kids. It’s been 2 weeks and no response.
      That’s not a very good response and it doesn’t give me any confidence in National as an alternative to Ardern and co.
      
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      August 29, 2022 3:00pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “He told me they get all those other vaccine so what’s the problem…….”
        
        You mean the other vaccines with a 50 year safety and effectiveness record? That’s the problem.
        
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        August 29, 2022 4:00pm
Ghost

Meanwhile labours investigations into bully claims are where?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/investigation-into-national-mp-sam-uffindell-delayed-more-time-requested/HMNNMIGOJN6VAKPMDS4XRXV2WE/

The future of National Party Tauranga MP Sam Uffindell won’t be clear for some weeks as the investigation into historical allegations of bullying against the MP has been extended.

It is understood the independent investigation, led by Maria Dew QC, might not conclude until mid-September.
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August 29, 2022 12:32pm
oldfella

Hmm. Wonder what this is really all about?
Investigation into National MP Sam Uffindell delayed, more time requested
The future of National Party Tauranga MP Sam Uffindell won’t be clear for some weeks as the investigation into historical allegations of bullying against the MP has been extended.
It is understood the independent investigation, led by Maria Dew QC, might not conclude until mid-September.
Uffindell, who won Tauranga’s byelection earlier this year, was stood down from National’s caucus on August 9 after two allegations of bullying and intimidatory behaviour in his youth surfaced.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/investigation-into-national-mp-sam-uffindell-delayed-more-time-requested/HMNNMIGOJN6VAKPMDS4XRXV2WE/
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August 29, 2022 12:43pm
Alex

Good article in Weekend “Ferald” by Trevett on Mallard. She quotes David Seymour “Mallard has made Winston look innocent over this, a difficult thing to do”. Re ex M.P.s banned from parliament.
Rurawhe apologised, not the Duck.
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August 29, 2022 12:45pm
oldfella

Must be Monday as the horrid has another anti-Luxon cartoon.
Pity that the Sharma-drama was so devoid of political-cartooning merit.
I’m sure the horrid would have found something to mock if Luxon had been involved.
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August 29, 2022 12:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something that may not work.
NZ if Jacinda wins:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=2534181629972368
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August 29, 2022 1:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda needs to see this. It is a kid, so right down at her level.
  
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  August 29, 2022 1:23pm
- Ghost
  
  This is why I always made sure I was the banker, when no one was looking I would rob the bank
  
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  August 29, 2022 1:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    $500 notes under the board
    
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    August 29, 2022 3:06pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The rest never knew, but anyone good with numbers would notice the shortage. No money to pay for landing on a high property so have to sell up.
      Quick way of finishing the game.
      
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      August 29, 2022 3:09pm
Paulus

Will Jaspinda be at the public opening of the Mormon Tatabernacle in Hamilton.
After all she was a member for the first 25 years of her life when living in the Waikato and attending the Waikato University close bye.
A vote winner – !
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August 29, 2022 1:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Uni is in Hillcrest, the Tabernacle is way out at Temple View
  
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  August 29, 2022 3:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is another place in Hamilton that the Church exists. I did not know. I left Hamilton in 1972
    
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    August 29, 2022 6:00pm
Maggie Pie

Oh don’t worry…..there’ll be plenty of human testing.

https://trib.al/LXXJGeR
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August 29, 2022 1:30pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  “Instead of waiting on data from testing in humans, the agency will use data from trials in mice — as well as the real world evidence of the safety of currently available COVID vaccines and test results from earlier iterations of boosters targeting older strains to evaluate the newest boosters, FDA Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf said.”
  
  What real world evidence of safety? Everything I’ve seen is pointing to the opposite.
  
  Dr John Campbell – “Excess deaths – the data”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wLu98NygrA&t=327s
  
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  August 29, 2022 3:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There are 3 people who live in my house that I have never met – I Don’t Know, It Wasn’t Me and Somebody Else
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August 29, 2022 1:45pm
Surely Knott

The Herald. “Wellington Cyclist 30 cm from Death” after near-miss with countdown delivery driver” segues into a call for cycle lanes and focuses almost completely on the cyclist.

The van may have been too close (hard to tell from the video) but it misses clarifying the law he definitely broke which is overtaking on a pedestrian crossing, one where a woman and baby were about to cross..

The headline should have been “Illegal Overtaking on a Crossing endangers pedestrians and cyclists.”
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August 29, 2022 2:00pm
- Ghost
  
  \if you watch the video the lady is coming up the street behind the building and the truck will be unable to stop by the time she is visible by the crossing? As for the cyclist they appear to be a bit further out in the road than i would be.
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/wellington-cyclist-30cm-from-death-after-near-miss-with-countdown-delivery-driver/
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:08pm
- surfing
  
  Near miss is a hit isn’t it? One of the weird english terms.
  
  https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/98951-here-s-a-phrase-that-apparently-the-airlines-simply-made-up
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:40pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Yawn, A near miss as opposed to missed by a mile.
    
    A near miss is nothing about a collision you idiots.
    
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    August 29, 2022 3:57pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Does seem to be in the middle of the lane in much of his video, as at one point there is an actual marking for the cyclist lane, and he doesn’t even seem to be in or or just on the edge.
  Beats me why he wouldn’t be well over on the side, when he can.
  But the truck driver isn’t doing a great job, as he goes over the pedestrian crossing by passing the centreline.
  Conclusion? Two idiots. One film.
  
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  August 29, 2022 3:01pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teens-filmed-sex-acts-with-drunk-underage-girls-shared-video-with-friends-auckland-court-told/4EWJ62TCKIWVD7NGCGIHOL374A/

Everyone knows who they are, why suppress their names? Could the herald be prosecuted for not removing their names from past stories?
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August 29, 2022 2:38pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  roast Busters?
  
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  August 29, 2022 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

Does anyone else think….. that if National MP Sam Uffindell had been a boarder out at St Stephen’s in 1999 and beaten a boy with a stick, it would still be such an issue today?

Asking for a friend.
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August 29, 2022 2:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “beaten with a stick’?
  
  I think it was more likely to be bashed with an iron bar at St Stephen’s.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/schoolboy-bashed-with-iron-bar/OAH3BIQ2GNTE2ACAILIN5GFMBM/
  
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  August 29, 2022 3:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “The guys have to be shown this can’t go on”
    
    – Iwi Liaison Officer.
    
    That certainly looks to have worked out well then?
    
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    August 29, 2022 3:50pm
Ghost

reminder for people to always follow up their tests, more so today when our health system is in such a mess.

When a Nelson man didn’t hear any results after having a tumour removed, he assumed ‘no news was good news’.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/129713995/administration-error-leaves-nelson-cancer-patient-with-two-years-to-live

He didn’t know he was meant to have a follow-up appointment. If he had, he would have learnt he had bladder cancer.

But an administration error meant the appointment was never booked and he never learned the results from samples and his cancer went unchecked for more than a year.

Now, the man in his 60s is facing a terminal diagnosis, and has been given two years to live.
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August 29, 2022 3:07pm
- rouppe
  
  That annoys me a lot about the health system. Several times I’ve received no communication after tests.
  
  I wait weeks and weeks, finally contact the doctor and get told “there was nothing to report”. Each time when I ask “how do I know you’ve not mislaid my details, entered them wrong, or mail gone astray if I don’t routinely get comms?” I just get a shrug.
  
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  August 29, 2022 3:16pm
  - greybeard
    
    Do you have a “MyIndici” account ? I receive direct emails from my Medical Centre as prompts, and the relevant details are all on the MYIndici site.
    
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    August 29, 2022 4:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Administration’ error my left tit.
  It is an Administrator Staff member’s error.
  May have been stood down but the man’s file should still have been on ‘Active Surveillance’ as I am for Prostate Cancer. Someone messed up.
  
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  August 29, 2022 3:22pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Best wishes Steve.
    
    Same here. Have three monthly PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen ) blood tests done. Within 48 hours the results are posted to me on a website called managemyhealth.co.nz.
    
    If the results didn’t show up in a reasonable time I would certainly ask questions.
    
    I feel very sorry for the person who now has a limited time to live but their problem was “assuming everything was OK).
    
    Hopefully that article will save a few lives by causing people to ask if they don’t hear back from their medical tests in a reasonable time.
    
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    August 29, 2022 5:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There are other issues with me. I think any Cancer gets priority – male of female. Then there are lung, throat, colon, to heart things.
      Jaspinda is asleep>>>>>>>> oh “Hello, please continue” at the wheel.
      She does not give a fuck if it has nothing to do with United Nations.
      Rant over
      
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      August 29, 2022 6:08pm
mogg

Zespri has announced ‘worst export crop in years’,
thanks to skilled worker shortage. ‘NZ reatail sales crash in June quarter’. Well Robbo bearing in mind your lower immigration settings, how is that working out for the NZ economy.
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August 29, 2022 3:32pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Tethered drone fruit-picking (good for taller trees). Most picking should be automated within 10 years (not with flying drones) due to machine learning and robotics advances.
  https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1563577418824052737
  
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  August 29, 2022 5:26pm
kevn

@BY… Useful if you want to work… in the public service. Internationally? Useless.
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August 29, 2022 4:02pm
graham

Apparently “Time Out” (no idea who they are) has placed Karangahape Road, aka K Rd, at number six on their list of the coolest streets in the world.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/time-out-names-coolest-streets-in-the-world-ranking-auckland-sixth/PCIRNWJQGHGEHQQPOBMHEEUTN4/

Timeout described the street as Auckland’s ‘bohemian heart’ and home to a thriving community of artists, musicians and creatives.

“Its red-light history, coupled with the more recent additions of art galleries and hip cafés in its heritage buildings, gives it plenty of character: every door leads to something very different,” wrote Time Out.

Yes … well … I suspect the last line “every door leads to something very different” is probably quite accurate; there’s no way I’d want to try entering some of the doors on K Rd.

Seriously, how does this moth-eaten den of debauchery get judged to be the sixth “coolest” street in the world? The sixth most shitty street, maybe …
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August 29, 2022 4:17pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Have you got any cool clothes left over from the 60’s Graham?
  Put them on, wear a flower in your hair and some shades. And a long scarf.
  Pretend you are a celebrity DJ.
  Or a street performer/artist/busker/chalk portrait drawer.
  Take your dog with you but make it wear a tutu and bow tie (gender identity).
  Get down to K Rd and see how you get on.
  Let us know tomorrow.
  Be cool.
  
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  August 29, 2022 4:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If you dare go there leave your wallet at home. Catch a bus. Then try and act not know about genders. What are you wearing?
  Keep a glove in your pocket – it hurts less when you go back at them.
  OK no more
  
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  August 29, 2022 6:15pm
Ghost

Thank goodness, the dead are too often overlooked.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/cost-of-living-payment-david-parker-suggests-upcoming-cost-of-living-payment-could-still-go-to-the-dead.html

Cost of living payment: David Parker suggests upcoming cost of living payment could still go to the dead
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August 29, 2022 6:35pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  My wife has stated her future cost of living payments will be donated to the ACT party.
  
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  August 29, 2022 7:02pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129718281/no-charges-to-be-filed-over-crash-that-killed-seven-near-picton
How many more people must die before the authorities look at the drivers of large trucks?
Waikato/Bay of Plenty are killing fields for truck drivers, as are North/South Canterbury.
Don’t believe me? Look at the NZTA website.
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August 29, 2022 6:48pm
- Ghost
  
  The van crossed the centre line and caused the accident
  
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  August 29, 2022 6:54pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Because the only person who could be charged, the van driver who crossed the center line, was killed in the crash. The truck driver was blameless, however he still has to live with the fact that he was involved in an accident that killed seven people.
  
  Comments like yours don’t help
  
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  August 29, 2022 6:59pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @greybeard-
  Perhaps you don’t realise that drivers of large trucks are under a lot of surveillance already?
  If they are driving company owned vehicles, there is a significant amount of monitoring going on at many levels, including high tech dash cameras which record everything.
  The police and the driver’s employers will know exactly what happened in that crash and who was responsible for it.
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:15pm
Maggie Pie

I see where Gaurav has just dropped a nearly 5000 word post on FB complaining about a lot of his staff.
With a paper trail to back it up.

As one commentator replied… GAME ON!
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August 29, 2022 6:57pm
- Ghost
  
  Oh, do I run to read the post or do I get popcorn first?
  
  https://www.facebook.com/gmsharmanz
  
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  August 29, 2022 6:59pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Get the popcorn, settle in.
    
    I cannot believe Labour thought a GP wouldn’t keep detailed notes.
    
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    August 29, 2022 7:00pm
- Nickc2
  
  Good on him! He’s more honest than all the Labour Govt combined.
  
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  August 29, 2022 7:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Watch the MSM try and ignore him now.
    
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    August 29, 2022 7:19pm
    - Ghost
      
      The media should be running so much of this, including threatening his career
      
      “ The Labour Party machinery has been actively deflecting from the concerns I have raised and a Senior Minister said to me in clear terms that “Labour machinery will not only destroy your political career but also your medical career. Look at any recent example of people who have gone against a Party.””
      
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      August 29, 2022 7:53pm
- Ghost
  
  Stuff
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129720273/mp-gaurav-sharma-continues-campaign-against-labour-parliamentary-service
  
  Herald
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-gaurav-sharma-staffer-urges-mp-to-move-on-stop-breaching-confidentiality-after-latest-4700-word-facebook-post/5ALT7CEWH6VETV7WVEJR2H7WNQ/
  
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  August 29, 2022 8:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Didn’t take long for a “counterfactual” to emerge.
    
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    August 29, 2022 9:08pm
F E Smith

Interesting article in Legal Insurrection on allegations that Canadian health entities are ignoring euthanasia rules.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/08/canadas-euthanasia-polices-under-scrutiny-as-reports-surface-of-euthanizing-a-man-for-hearing-loss/
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