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Yvette

How Māori use maramataka to care for mental health issues and how the practice will be incorporated into treatment by Māori Health Authority
Māori are well known for using the stars and the moon to navigate across the ocean in their waka.
Not so well known to non-Māori is their tradition of using the moon and stars to help treat mental health issues.
It’s called maramataka and will be incorporated into treatment by the new Māori Health Authority.
,,, Māori have the highest suicide rates of all ethnic groups in New Zealand. Mental distress among Māori is almost 50 percent higher than non-Māori and 30 percent are more likely to be left undiagnosed.
… The new Māori Health Authority has a budget of half a billion dollars and CEO Riana Manuel has allocated $100 million of that to support centuries-old treatments.
“Connecting people back to those spaces and places that have been long forgotten is certainly something that will be investing in,” Manuel said.
Just like they do with Matariki, Māori use maramataka as a way of reading the cosmos to prepare for what’s coming.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/07/how-maori-use-maramataka-to-care-for-mental-health-issues-and-how-the-practice-will-be-incorporated-into-treatment-by-maori-health-authority.html

The new Māori Health Authority has allocated $100 million to support centuries-old treatments.
Is that amount of funding to implement the treatments, or research them.
And to what extent has the new Māori Authority come into being, before there is accumulated whatever Māori knowledge should justify their being?
Is it the proverbial clichē – “cart before the horse”?
And $100 million is to go look for the cart?
Or is the question just racist?
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Most common religious affiliations in New Zealand – 2018 Census, % of people
Māori religions, beliefs and philosophies (not further defined) 0.0787062304312%
Ratana 0.9324103064947%
Ringatū 0.2624817676666%

Jedi 0.4342566793375%
https://figure.nz/chart/RfmHYb2IsMMrn9OC
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August 28, 2022 8:01am
- septic skeptic
  
  That miniscule number of people following Maori religions will be set to skyrocket as holding (or pretending to hold) these views becomes a credible career path. Professional Maoris as distinct from Maori professionals.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:25am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Using the moon and stars and “reading the cosmos” to treat health conditions is, literally, a step back to the dark ages.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is where the Socialists want to take us. Tribalism – for control.
    
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    August 28, 2022 8:42am
    - tf78
      
      Then we go through the Treaty process again to sort out the tribal squabbles.
      
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      August 28, 2022 8:02pm
  - pdm
    
    BY – not limited to Maori either.
    
    How did Abel Tasman and James Cook find their way here?
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well they were heading south and came around Cape Horn. That was a bit rough, so they headed south again. Next they banged into a bit of ice. Stuff that – too cold. Headed north and saw Australia. Stuff that, too hot. So headed SE then got blown NE and banged into a long white cloud//
      
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      August 28, 2022 9:43am
      - pdm
        
        Clever Steve.
        
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        August 28, 2022 9:55am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      By using the stars for something that the stars are useful for, ie navigation. Not by using the stars for something that they’re not useful for, such as medicine or fortune telling.
      
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      August 28, 2022 10:03am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        James Cook had sextants but also one of the first maritime chronographs. So he could measure longitude, one of the first to do so. So he was able, for example, to mark the position of the Marlborough Sounds and return to it on his subsequent voyages with total confidence.
        
        AFAIK Maori had no way of measuring longitude.
        
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        August 28, 2022 10:17am
    - Ruahine
      
      Sextants I believe.
      
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      August 28, 2022 10:27am
    - kevn
      
      @pdm… ah yes…. but they found their way home.
      
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      August 28, 2022 10:28am
      - pdm
        
        Excellent point Kevin and one that is conveniently ignored these days.
        
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        August 28, 2022 12:22pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They navigated their way here using appropriate instruments such as a sextant, compass and charts of what were known at the time.
      
      Their means of navigation has nothing to do with treating health issues using “the moon and the stars, and reading the cosmos” – in fact Cook was well ahead of his time by using limes and other citrus fruit to keep Vitamin C levels up and prevent scurvy. Hence the nick-name for English, particularly sailors, of “limeys”.
      
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      August 28, 2022 11:20am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Cook was 140 years after Tasman. Tasman missed Australia, found Tasmania and then Golden Bay. Tasman did not even have a sextant. It was all dead reckoning.
        
        Just saying there were immense advances in navigation from Tasman in 1620 to Cook in 1768.
        
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        August 28, 2022 12:16pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The Dutch did know about the west coast of Australia because of their colonisation of the “Dutch East Indies” now Indonesia. Dirk Hartog discovered it, and Tasman was trying to see how big it was, but missed the turn north up the east coast. Can’t recall ATM the full history. Google is your friend…..
        
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        August 28, 2022 1:51pm
      - rangitoto
        
        On the first voyage, Cook used the method of lunar distances to determine longitude. It requires laborious calculations based on the lunar separation from at least three stars and their elevation, along with the lunar elevation, all measured with a sextant and reference to a set of tables prepared by the Greenwich observatory.. Latitude is a lot easier to determine with a sextant, or noting the concurrent rising of pairs of stars of known declination. On the second and third voayges, I believe Cook used a replica of the Harrison H4 clock for determining longitude.
        
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        August 28, 2022 3:46pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Is that amount of funding to implement the treatments, or research them.”
  
  It’s for neither of those specific things, Yvette. It’s simply a koha of $100m of taxpayer money to piss up against the wall, get the latest utes, iPhones and a lot of overseas travel up the sharp end of the plane.
  
  There will be no accountability, audit, follow-up or any expectations whatsoever.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:49am
- herb1
  
  Non Maori also used the moon and stars to navigate, but thankfully have long moved on , hence our abilty to fly safely from one side of the world to the other.
  Non Maori also used lunar treatments before advancing to leeches and other things.
  Thankfully now due to scientific advances , modern treatments have more than doubled our life expectancy and the saving of a 90 year old , by surgeons, in our hospitals is more dependent on funding than it is on moon cycles.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:49am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Here we go again. Yet another taxpayer funded gravy train for the Special People to bludge off. ACT must make a hottom line that if it goes with the Nats there will be a full scale public inquiry into all this spending with the bludgers having to justify every dollar.
  Or better still just cut the spending off and the bludgers and make them justify reinstating it.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:49am
- crikey
  
  “Mental distress among Māori is almost 50 percent higher than non-Māori and 30 percent are more likely to be left undiagnosed.”
  
  Perhaps reliance on crap cultural treatment beliefs has something to do with it.
  
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  August 28, 2022 11:19am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Perhaps it’s the gap between being told you’re special & the internal knowledge that actually your life is a bit crap.
    
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    August 28, 2022 6:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  Can I get funding to set up a leech farm? Effective traditional medical procedure.
  
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  August 28, 2022 3:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    There’s a leech farm in the Waikato.
    
    Leech use goes back to the Ancient Egyptians, and now is used in fields including plastic surgery
    
    There is no spiritual mumbo-jumbo about the use of leeches in modern medicine.
    
    Modern science moves forward. For example, use of leeches in treating mental illness was long ago abandoned. But I doubt that traditional Maori medical treatment has abandoned exorcism.
    
    NZ leech farm:
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018766640/meet-the-farming-couple-breeding-leeches-for-nz-hospitals
    
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    August 29, 2022 2:39pm
- Scooter
  
  Well the word Lunatic comes from “Luna” in Latin so maybe they’re on to something or just crazy themselves. Luckily the idea that the Moon caused madness has long gone.
  
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  August 28, 2022 6:26pm
Yvette

Those who watch SHORTLAND STREET are probably a dedicated audience – select in what they select to watch – so how long should a nursing recruitment campaign last to reach all the potential viewers it might gain a response from, considering too the schadenfreude plot-lines and the disconnect between those and the paucity of conviction in the delivery of the appeal of onscreen characters to potential nurse recruits.

Madonna’s diffident “Yes, nah, oh – yes?” delivery was passē after the second screening, so further versions are urgently needed, or better still: this ridiculously inappropriate campaign should surely just be abandoned.

The cost of this exercise is hidden as “commercially sensitive”, so probably the number of nurses it recruits – if any – versus expenditure, will also never be revealed either. Tricky too when the “campaign” extends from ads to featuring in the storyline itself – just how much does tax-funds pay for?

For Labour. it now seems to serve no better purpose than reminding Channel 2’s primetime audience five times a week that Little has screwed up that there is such a medical staff crisis in the first place – that at least may be helpful to voters, although most people know already how krap Labour is at delivering anything.

And just like scattering Te Reo throughout television news coverage – does it raise affinity, or bred antagonism and aversion? It may be a minor deal but it hints at a greater stupidity.
Is A Little too much, already?

Related: National accuses Government of ignoring bleak warning that aged care sector will fail if staff shortages aren’t addressed
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/national-accuses-government-of-ignoring-bleak-warning-that-aged-care-sector-will-fail-if-staff-shortages-aren-t-addressed.html

Letter to Andrew Little – “Unless some decisive actions are taken, I fear that there will be an acceleration of bed closures across the sector and increased risk to patients and staff” – Former Lead Healthof Older People CEO – video

Will scriptwriters throw Damo under a bus a second time? Will Damo Johnson die?
Am I reducing the severity of hospital and elderly home staff shortages to a soap opera?
No, Andrew Little did that
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August 28, 2022 8:04am
- Taieri
  
  And just like scattering Te Reo throughout television news coverage – does it raise affinity, or bred antagonism and aversion?
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  The latter, I’d say…
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I never watch New Zealand TV. But was at my partner’s parents place last night before going to the rugby. They were watching the news. I found it distracting and then annoying. A bit like someone speaking English and then breaking into Arabic.
    
    Why can’t they have the English language news at 1800 and then the Maori language news at 1830. Simple.
    
    Anyway apart from the language problem it seemed like a load of rubbish.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:25am
    - Jack5
      
      With two State-supported Maori TV channels it’s unexplained why the State’s TVNZ should have separate programmes in Maori language.
      
      Regardless, it’s linguistic engineering to mix Maori language into English language programmes on State TV.
      
      Woke zealots at State TV and State Radio seem Hell-bent to create a Maori-English pidgin language. This would coalesce into a Creole language, one spoken and understood only in a few islands at the bottom of the world.
      
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      August 28, 2022 11:21am
    - Nickc2
      
      Maori Language = Maori TV Channel!!!
      Be like the Govt, don’t discuss it, just do the effin thing.
      
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      August 28, 2022 2:13pm
  - Dave
    
    It’s a bit surprising that some indigenous descendants, who give strong impressions of resentment and alienation at the imposition of colonial language and practices, seem to expect much more positive responses from the imposition of indigenous language and practices on the descendants of colonials.
    
    In fact, people from each group have voluntarily incorporated elements of the other group’s language and culture into their lives, but this requires carrot rather than stick, and reflects their varying circumstances – carrot rather than stick – and expectations.
    
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    August 28, 2022 12:55pm
Scooter

2 thugs beat and Rob a 96 year old and get home d, not surprising someone else walks out of a supermarket with a trolley full of groceries. They all know there’ll be no consequences.
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August 28, 2022 8:09am
- Stuart
  
  Another pathetic judge. Act need to sort this out when they get in, Kirsten Lummis should be out on the street after a sentence like this.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:38am
- Tricati
  
  NZ the way Labour and its supporters want – The no consequences society.
  The pricks should have been locked up for years.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:30am
BeaB

His Excellency Sir Trevor Mallard.
That’s all we need to know about Jacinda Ardern.
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August 28, 2022 8:10am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  When Labour get kicked out I hope the 1st act of the new Foreign Minister is to recall Mallard.
  
  HC got rid of K’s but look at the Socialists cannot wait until they get one.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Recall him before he gets a hiding. I can see it happening when he forgets he has no parliament protection.
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:47am
  - Paulus
    
    HC got rid of the K’s but as soon as Key restored them then the Rich Prick Michael Cullen took one.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  Irrational and unreasonable.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:31am
kowtow

Another day ,another anti Nat Ferald cartoon.
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August 28, 2022 8:12am
Alex

Winston’is getting stuck into Labour on co-governance. Etc.
He did not know how cunning the Red Queen was.
Did any of us know?
She had the bit between her teeth (communism)
Behind the wide smile.
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August 28, 2022 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  Only I’d guess that when she was installed after Little she had very little idea beyond the usual debating team platitudes of child poverdee , housing , equalidy , the Treaty ( whose articles she couldn’t even list) and any other Trotskyite notions that were bouncing around in her head , till post election the radical Maori caucus realised they were onto a winner and would have presented her and her inner circle the fine details .
  
  Which she accepted , and conspiratorially , kept secret from Peters and more importantly the nation , till covid gave her the absolute majoridy .
  
  I don’t think she’s cunning , she’s been lucky . Radical yes but there’s a huge machine behind what is essentially, intellectually, just a facade of cliches.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:39am
  - pdm
    
    Kowtow – she has since learned two more things:
    
    Jeopradise
    I refude that.
    
    What a clever girl she is.
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:18am
- blue collar
  
  It’s the bloody majority that’s enabled her , winnie had the handbrake on her the first time around …. Must’ve pissed her right off
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:39am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Nah – she’s not cunning. She is (a) not bright enough to see what she’s being led by the nose into and (b) not competent enough to do anything about it.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:40am
kowtow

Excerpt from yesterday’s UK Daily Telegraph

“Electric vehicles will be more expensive to run than petrol equivalents from October as the latest price cap hike punishes drivers for going green”

Where England goes ……..
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August 28, 2022 8:14am
- Blackbob
  
  I believe EVs here come under the Road Users charge system as from July (?) 2023. That will take some shine off the smug.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Watch the EV owners squeal – delicious
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:51am
  - virtualmark
    
    EV’s current exemption from RUCs expires on 31 March 2024.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:05am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      A other government flip-plop.
      
      The original promise was no RUC until 10% of the automobiles were electric. Now the RUC cuts in early next year when EV’s represent less than 1% of the cars (currently 0.8%).
      
      If you bought an EV with the “no RUC till 10%” in mind you could be excused for being unhappy. Especially if you were an early adopter when EV’s were more expensive and before the EV rebates.
      
      Wonder what the RUC for an EV is going to be set to?
      
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      August 28, 2022 1:32pm
- artemisia
  
  California is implementing fines for vehicle manufacturers if they don’t meet the minimum EV requirements.
  
  Perhaps they haven’t noticed that companies along with their high value employees are relocating east. Meanwhile new arrivals are flocking in …
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:59am
  - Alex
    
    Not a word from Tame about Luxon looking at Fringe Parties. TV1 just not with it. Don’t watch.
    
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    August 28, 2022 11:13am
Flossie

We have decided to not watch TV 1 news and weather any more. They don’t want to know that (and especially not our reason for this decision). Lots of our friends and family are doing likewise.
Let them figure out for themselves why all their viewers are disappearing.
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August 28, 2022 8:27am
- pdm
  
  Definitely not watching TV1 weather when last nights presenter is spouting forth.
  
  We can live with the news for now but some nights it is touch and go for a channel change.
  
  Hey Sav – just say Gidday when you start the sports news.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:20am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Just bite the bullet and go to TV3.
    You’ll wonder why you didn’t do it 20 years ago like I did.
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:38am
    - Cassandra
      
      Why go anywhere? It’s all terrible. I stopped watching NZ TV news 15 years ago. And the Herald etc. all awful. Internet has lots of good news and you can easily subscribe to quality papers eg The Times.
      
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      August 28, 2022 9:44am
    - pdm
      
      All our kids push for that Capt.
      
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      August 28, 2022 9:56am
    - oldfella
      
      Best weather presenter is Mike Peru on TV3. He’s Maori, but presents the forecast almost exclusively in English, with minimal Te Reo.
      
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      August 28, 2022 10:04am
    - kowtow
      
      tv3 “weather” is like kindy , with plenty of preachy Maori words too .
      
      As to “news” once the headlines are done in the first cuppla minutes it’s time to switch back to adult viewing . (not the way you think I meant …….)
      
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      August 28, 2022 11:26am
    - Lance
      
      Be aware.
      The TV3 political show (News Hub Nation) is actually WORSE and more far left than Q+A.
      I wouldn’t have thought it possible a while back, but they succeeded.
      
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      August 28, 2022 1:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Target audience is 10 years old.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  You misunderstand in thinking woke-media care about viewership of the hoi polloi. They get their money from (huge) govt advertising and govt handouts, so it is govt that their programming panders to.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:58am
  - Prince
    
    Spot on.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:28am
  - Flossie
    
    Well I do actually understand that. If it were not the case then I might expect they would care about losing viewers.
    
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    August 28, 2022 11:26am
- GJM
  
  They don’t care. The viewers are not important, as the money comes from the taxpayers via the Labour Party directed Ministry of Truth fund.
  They could have zero vir
  Every, and it would make no difference to them. A bit like Maori TV
  
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  August 28, 2022 2:16pm
mandk

The captain of a sports team needs to be someone who can inspire his/her team mates, dominate the opposition, and change the course of a game.

Unfortunately, Sam Cane has none of those qualities.

He’s a nice guy, but I don’t think he is good enough to be in the team, let alone lead it.
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August 28, 2022 8:29am
- Chris R
  
  …well those failures don’t seem to apply to Ardern. Congratulations to the Argentinians for a deserved win.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:14am
  - Prince
    
    Yeah but if the two (rugby, politics) was equivalent, you’d be reading in the press today about the wonderful performance of the All Blacks, regardless of the result.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:30am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    At the rate the AB’s are playing they would stuggle to beat Georgia at present. A few years ago the AB’s would put 50 points on the Argies. If I was running the cutter I would take the players budget, No retainers. Zero for a loss. 50% for a draw. 100% for a win. That would put some motivation back rather than just turning up like they are now.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:56am
    - Bridgenag
      
      But…. the hair and tats are good
      
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      August 28, 2022 1:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I suggest it was the ref that changed the course of the game, every time we got the ball he found something
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:15am
  - stephen2d
    
    Are you for real??? 🤣
    
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    August 28, 2022 12:31pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes I am. Are you suggesting the game was equally monitored?
      
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      August 28, 2022 8:57pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    I did wonder why a ref from Georgia was in charge of a Tier 1 game, with so much riding on it. And the two touch referees and TMO were all Australian.
    
    I only saw the second half, but seeing the Georgian miss two blatant forward passes by the Argies in the lead up to awarding them a penalty in front of the posts reminded me of Wayne Barnes’ performance in the 2007 RWC. Unbelievable that none of the other officials picked them up either.
    
    That said, the Argies defended well and deserved to win.
    
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    August 28, 2022 1:55pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Do you realise it was not only his first tier game, but his first test match full stop? They stated this before the game.
      
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      August 28, 2022 8:59pm
- Colville
  
  Rated as 3/10 and commenters wondered what he did to rate so high.
  Too slow and no presence over the ball.
  How can the ABs compete with no ball?
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:34am
  - R
    
    No ball? The ABs had plenty of ball. How do you think they scored two tries! The forwards were reasonable without being earth shattering. But the backs offered little.
    
    But at least that blows the theory that the team needs more Crusaders. There were a lot of Crusaders in the team. And the Irish wizard, Joe Schmidt, was assisting Foster.
    
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    August 28, 2022 11:20am
- RockyJ
  
  Three quarters of the way through the game with the ABs losing the camera cut to the bench. There a couple of All Blacks were relaxing and having a private laugh.
  
  That epitomises what is wrong with this team. They are mentally soft. They don’t have a strong enough will to win. They play with the same tempo when they are behind.
  
  Cane, and Foster are new soft leaders who practice the new cult of kindness. This started with Kieran Read.
  
  “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing” Vince Lombardi
  
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  August 28, 2022 11:33am
- greybeard
  
  Exactly.
  Much like McCaw: his captaincy was balls-out “lead from the front” but not backed-up with the ability to read and change the game, alter the plan, get players to adapt to conditions, etc.
  The last good captain for the AB’s was Fitzpatrick.
  
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  August 28, 2022 2:13pm
Philview

I went onto Stuff this morning to read the Rugby reports but after seeing various headlines about exposing people with views Stuff doesn’t like I left the site. Stuff has disappeared down a rabbit hole and I don’t think the people working there can see they have become so obsessed with outing fringe beliefs that they are no longer a credible news organisation.
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August 28, 2022 8:36am
- Prince
  
  Totally agree. Increasingly Stuff has articles that you just know are rubbish without reading beyond the headline.
  Example, today there is an article about the Chief Gaming Commissioner who has vax views Stuff finds objectionable. So what ? How would that affect her performance in that role. Stuff is conducting a witch hunt, seeking out those whose views they disagree with and trying to destroy them. Despicable.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:37am
blue collar

Well what can you say about the AB’s n NZRU ?

look like a pack of muppets now don’t they ?
The whole country can see the problems and yet they persist
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August 28, 2022 8:38am
Tomtoddy

This looks like a good idea. I encourage all to join and support this challenge to co-governance.

https://stopcogovernance.site/
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August 28, 2022 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Surprised that the site has not been dragged down and buried.
  I signed up.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:02am
- Ghost
  
  Hmm, something just doesn’t feel right right with this.
  
  Image in “about” has been taken from a Barfoot and Thomason agent’s Facebook page.
  
  Also wouldn’t support a page that tries to make a political point with an image of a plane hitting the twin towers.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:31am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/129698051/the-conspiracy-theorists-groundswell-is-trying-to-weed-out

This is turning into an old fashioned, out and out witch hunt.
From the story:
“Stuff has identified candidates, aligned with Groundswell, who share outlandish theories and harmful fake news about Covid19 and vaccines.”
So say the “independent journalists” who are being funded by the government’s local democracy reporting fund.
The words “outlandish” and “harmful fake news” are nothing more than the unsubstantiated personal opinions of the writers.
Look out next year for more of the same when the general election comes round.
The media is, without shame, using its position to manipulate the voters for political and financial gain.
That is not democratic.
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August 28, 2022 8:47am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yep it certainly is. This is starting to look contrived with doted lines to the disinformation project and L9
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What is “L9” ?
    I did the google. I don’t understand it.
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:13am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Level 9 of the beehive.
      
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      August 28, 2022 9:40am
    - blue collar
      
      Might be beehive floor 9 … prime minister stevo !
      Or our popcorn kleensack quota the way things are going , one for labour., one for the AB’s , one for the democrats , one for waka kotahi, one for mahuta corp ……. Etc
      
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      August 28, 2022 9:42am
    - Frank the tank
      
      PM and her office are located on L9 of the Beehive
      
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      August 28, 2022 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ahhhhh, everything just fell into place, thankyou.
      
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      August 28, 2022 10:26am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Liberal use also of “false claims”, “claims without any evidence”, “so-called evidence” my goodness the MSM are capable of so much these days.
  
  They are scientists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, researchers, lawyers, judge, jury and executioners.
  
  No longer will they ruefully lament “No matter what we say, no matter what we do…..”
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “No matter what we say, no matter what we do, the polls are not changing” (paraphrased)
    Katie Bradford owns that
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:57am
- ClanMcleod
  
  There really has to be some form of investigation and censure, possibly charges against many of those in the mainstream media. Their actions are beyond irresponsible, they are borderline evil.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:56am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Clan-
    I want to know what the terms of reference are for the government’s democracy reporting fund.
    Because it seems to have developed into a business opportunity for $tuff (in particular) to manipulate candidate selection and election outcomes to suit a political agenda.
    If the journalists’ current over-reach is successful with their outing and maligning of candidates they don’t approve of – then look out National and Act next year.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:46am
- Jake Dee
  
  “The media is, without shame, using its position to manipulate the voters for political and financial gain.
  That is not democratic”
  
  It has ALWAYS been this way.
  I’m probably going to be repeating this until my dying day but people need to have a were close look at this word “Democracy”. They need to discover what it is, where it can be found and why we should even care.
  
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  August 28, 2022 2:07pm
Frank the tank

Ahh the WokeBlacks (ala Warriors B) were again in fine form during the ‘Haka’ but once the real game started shat the bed.

If they keep this team they won’t even make it out of the pool at the world cup.

Time for the clean out – see ya Cane, Whitelock, Taylor, Smith etc.

Will ‘Our Glorious Leader’ hold an early election so the stigma of the world cup loss won’t affect her chances or will she even be there……
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August 28, 2022 8:47am
- blue collar
  
  Yeah funny eh franky , the new young guys did great .
  Beaudy was great in his youth , ditto smith , cane , whitelock …. Why is coles in the squad ?
  
  Get young , fit , hungry players
  
  How insulting for perofeta to come on for 60 seconds , what a cap ,in losing test .
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:23am
  - Cinematic
    
    That was bizarre.
    
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    August 28, 2022 12:57pm
  - Opie
    
    How is perofeta even in the squad. That’s a disgrace.
    
    This has been the best all blacks season in a long time. I have actually been looking forward to the games to see how shit they are. At least the wife dragger hasn’t been playing
    
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    August 28, 2022 2:00pm
  - greybeard
    
    But that cap commits Perofeta to NZ rugby for a couple of years when he cannot play for another country.
    
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    August 28, 2022 2:10pm
- pdm
  
  Frank – I would make Whitelock Captain not drop him. He and Scot Barrett ae probably the only two decent leaders in the squad.
  
  How long before Ethan Blackadder and Anton Liernart-Brown are back? Does anyone know?
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:25am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @pdm-
    Yep, the inmates here reckon Whitelock is about the only one trying to inspire the forwards to work together – and his lineout ability is outstanding. He does a tremendous amount of seemingly unnoted work.
    Can’t understand why people want to see him gone.
    A captain has to be either the best player in his/her position or an outstanding leader on and off the field – preferably both.
    Sadly, the current captain appears to be neither.
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:33am
    - Colville
      
      He is at least as good as anyone else in NZ. And he leads and has big game experience.
      
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      August 28, 2022 9:37am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Gavel, Sam is still an outstanding player, but is in the twilight of his career. IMO, our issues aren’t with him. He, Scott Barrett and Retallick are the best locks in the country by far. The comments re Taylor and Smith, again, imo, are misguided. Taylor is the best all round hooker in NZ at the moment. The others are beginners who have been selected by Foster on a wing and a prayer. Smith is still the best halfback, until he starts taking a step or two when passing. Sam Cane is a fine player, way above average, but NZ has plenty of those players. Clark isn’t the best wing, Jordie isn’t the best fullback or wing, Tupaea surely cannot be our best 2nd or centre, and our props are just a lottery. Not helped by Fosters constant tinkering with selections. Scott McLeod is lucky to be where he is. Our defence has leaked all season and he wasn’t one of the coaches asked to go. Go figure that one out.
      
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      August 28, 2022 10:51am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Scooter Barrett dropped the ball from the kick-off straight into their half-back’s hands. He easily beat a turn-stile-like tackle from the vastly over-rated Aaron Smith and waltzed over.
    
    Despite having a golden opportunity to retake the lead at 18-19, the useless ABs kicked for the corner and dropped the ball a minute or so later. We never retook the lead, and only got further behind through ill-discipline, poor judgement and schoolboy errors.
    
    Foster’s substitutions appeared designed to make it as hard as possible to get the win. Replacing the entire (dominant) front row after only 45 minutes was unnecessary and pointless. He left A Smith on far too long, and only gave Perofeta 60 seconds to “make his mark”. Absolute amateur hour, Foster now has a number of unenviable records:
    
    1. First coach to lose 3 consecutive home games ever – in 113 years
    2. First coach to lose to Ireland at home in a test
    3. First coach to lose a series against Ireland at home (or ever)
    4. First coach to lose to Argentina in a test (Australia 2020)
    5. First coach to lose to Argentina at home
    
    Offers the excuse “Our set-piece didn’t quite work the way we wanted in the latter part, and we probably forgot to play our kicking game.” Probably forgot to play your kicking-game? If only there was the world’s most highly-paid water boy Dane Coles available to go and remind them they don’t have to run head-first into a wall for 80 minutes!
    
    When he becomes the first coach to lose the Bledisloe Cup since 2002, what will NZ Rugby say then?
    
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    August 28, 2022 11:32am
    - Cinematic
      
      Foster hasn’t the good grace to walk. Six losses from the last 8 games. The Argies aren’t even that good. Utter shambles.
      
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      August 28, 2022 1:00pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was at the game. I don’t know much about rugby. I did enjoy the game. The Argentina defence was formidable and that goal kicker was amazing.
  
  My partner thinks they are doomed, but I have no idea. 🤡
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:01am
- MCōs
  
  The ‘woke’ label is awfully fluid these days to the point of being meaningless.
  I read an article today about Keith Murdoch who thumped a guy on the ABs tour in 1973 and was sent home. I was over there at the time. None of them ever cracked a smile. The papers noted how surly they were and their hakas were a shambles.
  They lost five games, but you struggle to call that lot ‘woke’ in retrospect.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:25am
  - Prince
    
    The ‘Unsmiling Giants’ beat England, Scotland, Wales and France, and drew with Ireland. Lost a few mid week games (famously Llanelli), and to the Barbarians (Gareth Edwards etc). Not too bad really, and certainly a tour to remember, unlike the same old same old we get served up today.
    
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    August 28, 2022 10:48am
    - MCōs
      
      They lost to France.
      It most certainly will be a tour that will be remembered for the Barbarians game, but more so for the banishment of Murdoch by a manager who was dying of cancer and should never have had the job.
      
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      August 28, 2022 8:24pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Cool story bro
    
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    August 28, 2022 11:33am
- Paulus
  
  Might stand a chance if they did not exhaust themselves by doing the Maori Wardance first.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:38am
- Brian McDonald
  
  The real problem was the penalty count. Ryan will have that crap out of the game by next week. I saw enough in the forward effort pushing back the argy scrum to know this team is well seeded. Perhaps it was a mistake to not bring Perofeta on late as his playmaking isn’t well known to Argentina. Also, the team penalty of a sin bin meant we lost an aggressive forward when pushing for a try. I’m confident about next week, though I have to give credit to the audacity of the Argentine coaches audacity to suggest on the eve of the test they would win, that might have got into a few heads when one might have expected the coaches to telling the players not to submit to mind games.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:50am
Swifty

Lesbians removed from Pride event for criticising gender ideology: Andrew Doyle reacts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTtPE0BgFsE
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August 28, 2022 8:51am
- surfing
  
  The new woke always attack the old woke.
  
  The new woke will one day be the old woke and they will receive the treatment they are dishing out to others.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:39am
Colville

So Ian Foster has set another record!
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August 28, 2022 8:59am
- pdm
  
  Whats more he is still warming up.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:26am
  - Colville
    
    We could end up with 4 at home losses!
    
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    August 28, 2022 9:38am
    - nathie
      
      Or the AB’s manage a win next week so NZR decide to keep him on (insert BY’s clown emoji), instead of replacing him with Razor!
      
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      August 28, 2022 11:38am
- surfing
  
  I wonder if the current generation of players are just not as good as the previous.
  
  With the exception of Ardie Savea, most of our players are looking a bit average or a bit old. Caleb Clarke has future potential.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:10am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Foster has been a losing coach pretty much all of his career Colville, so it is folly to believe that anything will change just because he coaches the AB’s.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:59am
- R
  
  Yep three home losses in a row is a record as is losing to Argentina at home for the first time. This team knows how to break records! Losing the Bledisloe Cup should be a formality. 🙂
  
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  August 28, 2022 11:29am
blue collar

Could the NZRU board please front and explain who voted to retain foster , AND also their reasoning behind their call .
I want to see the vote , I want to know why .

Then I want accountability.

Let’s start interviewing board members in the media

Let’s get the razor chant going at every game if they won’t front
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August 28, 2022 9:19am
- pdm
  
  `Could the NZRU board please front and explain who voted to retain foster ‘
  
  Unanimous as I recall.
  
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  August 28, 2022 12:36pm
  - Colville
    
    They said they had “absolute faith” in him after reappointment…
    
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    August 28, 2022 12:43pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Yes, extraordinary levels of naivety on that Board for the vote to have been unanimous.
    
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    August 28, 2022 1:03pm
  - blue collar
    
    Unanimous …. 3-4 split ? I thought I read a rumour it was even with the chairman swinging it
    
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    August 28, 2022 1:07pm
MCōs

Yesterday someone writing for the the NZ Herald moaned and groaned because they couldn’t get anyone connected to Kelston Boys High or St Peter’s College to comment on the forthcoming final of Auckland’s 1A Rugby Premiership.
We went along to the game at Eden Park and it was much better than the test later in the evening.
No music, few penalties, no bad behaviour. St Peters team did a haka before the game & Kelston Boys after they hung on to win by two points. Each team acknowledged the others’ supporters.
The north stand, which was maybe 70% full, emptied out for the following NPC game!
Nothing in the NZ Heraid.
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August 28, 2022 9:31am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Well done MCos – see how many upticks you got. BCos you didn’t write lefty stuff your input was interesting.
  
  I agree it is odd the absence of media coverage – especially when 1st XV rugby is big enough to have its own tv coverage.
  
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  August 28, 2022 8:12pm
artemisia

Just caught part of Francesca Rudkin’s interview on NewstalkZB with John Sweeney, author of new book Killer in the Kremlin. Using the term ‘interview’ very loosely as it was more a monologue, including his prediction on day 2 of the current war that Russia would lose.

I expect Ms Rudkin will soon be hosting a monologue from someone with a different POV.
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August 28, 2022 9:37am
ClanMcleod

The covid vaccines are killing people in far greater numbers than they might be saving. The evidence is becoming indisputable.

Exhaustive study of German mortality data finds excess deaths tightly correlated with mass vaccination

Excess mortality in Germany 2020–2022 is a preprint by Christof Kuhbandner (a psychologist at Regensburg) and Matthias Reitzner (a statistician at Osnabrück) that applies sophisticated actuarial analysis to the publicly available all-cause mortality data provided by the German government. It turns out that when you account for historical mortality trends, the virus no longer looks so dangerous, and the vaccines no longer look so great.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/exhaustive-study-of-german-mortality?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Will Ardern ever stop for a moment in her illogical and dangerous refusal to admit that everything about her covid narrative has collapsed? I fear she won’t. She is to self absorbed and insecure to ever be able to face up to the fact that she is an abject failure and her legacy will be as the most destructive PM in the history of NZ.
She is in freefall and she has a long way to go. She seems determined to take all of us with her.
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August 28, 2022 10:02am
- kevn
  
  @clan… Your last paragraph is on-the-money.
  Globally the narrative has shifted but here, no. Almost doubling down. Incredibly stupid. Why?
  
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  August 28, 2022 11:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Why should Ardern admit anything? Apart from being pathologically incapable of admitting she was wrong or apologising for anything, she’ll say that she was “only following the science.”
  
  When you factor in the active disinformation and interference being run by her bought-and-paid-for media lapdogs, who are “outing” people holding views contrary to the narrative to try and prevent them from being elected to local boards and other offices, on the basis of “conspiracy theories” and “disinformation” you realise things look pretty snug (not to say smug) from the throne.
  
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  August 28, 2022 11:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Loddenthinks – it’s a seriously concerning move in the direction of fascism, and that isn’t said as an insult or slur of some kind. It’s becoming a cold hard fact.
    She isn’t following “science”. She’s creating a narrative which is why hers is the “single source of truth” and only her “experts” are permitted a voice. The same with anyone who isn’t on her page. Shut down, smeared, vilified. Media bribed. Legislation changed under “emergency powers”.
    These are the actions of a fascist.
    
    Nothing they have done in the last two years makes sense in the way we normally look at it. None of their policies helped anything or anyone and in fact, they have done enormous damage to every aspect of all of our lives. The next question is why? It can’t be ignorance. It isn’t “fixing” anything. It’s destroying everything. Why?
    
    Baker and his moronic mates are now doubling down and pushing for even harder restrictions for the “next pandemic”. Read this.
    
    This group, which consists of Dr Jennifer Summers, Prof Nick Wilson, Dr Lucy Telfar Barnard, Dr Julie Bennett, Dr Amanda Kvalsvig and Prof Michael Baker recommend:
    
    Extending public messaging around covid to reinforce the rationale for their pandemic policies
    Developing a robust action plan for schools
    Extending eligibility for the second booster (fourth dose) for adults and booster (third dose) for children under 16
    Consider injecting children under five years old – toddlers and babies
    Explore bi-valent vaccines that target Omicron and the original Sars-CoV-2
    Additional interventions to increase vaccine coverage (interventions that enhance the willingness of different populations to be vaccinated)
    Reconsider its current position and develop a range of strategies to maximise mask wearing in schools from year 1 up, and mandates for indoor facilities and health care facilities
    
    https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/the-covid-19-experience-in-aotearoa-new-zealand-and-other-comparable-high-income-jurisdictions-and-implications-for-managing-the-next-pandemic-phase/
    
    The NZ Government has published:
    
    < …….a government consultation document about pandemic ethics lays out a laundry list of coercive actions the government might take to manage future pandemic threats, which includes fining the unvaccinated and even removing an individual’s right to choose entirely.
    
    Authorities are literally baking in fascist policies and calling them “ethical”. If this goes unchallenged we can expect to see more authoritarian health policies introduced going forward.
    
    “Consultation” is open on this document, there’s a link in the document.
    
    https://consult.health.govt.nz/ethics/egap/user_uploads/neac-ethical-guidance-for-a-pandemic-july-2022-1.pdf
    
    Though my faith in democracy and the democratic process is completely shredded right now. I am very concerned for all of our futures.
    
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    August 28, 2022 12:30pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Thanks for sharing Clan McLeod, frightening to see a National Ethics committee proposing that an appropriate restriction for unvaccinated could be denial of access to supermarkets. As you say, they are requiring the guidebook to justify the fascist approach already taken and embolden a more fascist future approach.
      
      It just keeps getting more and more crazy.
      
      The lack of debate of ideas is the beginning of the end for democracy.
      
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      August 28, 2022 1:10pm
surfing

The MSM claim race relations are great. So why do they block the comments section on maori articles?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jessie-gurunathan-resurgence-of-te-reo-maori-is-part-of-nzs-culture-not-a-replacement-of-english/RFV4QDUI7GOPAN5HQPX4U5YOJQ/
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August 28, 2022 10:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  They prevent comments on anything they know that the majority of people are opposed to. Same with Youtube, they disable comments, but they will permit the thumbs up button while disabling the thumbs down button.
  It’s pervasive in all mainstream media. Free speech is rarified air these days. We are being gaslit and propagandised on everything.
  
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  August 28, 2022 10:37am
Ghost

Words fail me

Human trafficker tells Sara Carter there’s ‘no way back’ from cartel’s grip on US border

https://www.foxnews.com/media/human-trafficker-tells-sara-carter-no-way-back-cartels-grip-us-border

Cartels harvest children’s organs, then fill the corpse with drugs for trafficking, according to one smuggler

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-slammed-immoral-open-border-policy-human-trafficker-describes-happens-children
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August 28, 2022 10:04am
- Colville
  
  words fail me that you would believe such shit.
  
  You really think a drug smuggler is going to scoop out a childs body then fill it with what? 5 Kg of Coke? (approx 8 liters) then smuggle the dead body across the US border??
  
  Why?? you just made the job so much harder and for way less return!! FFS its beyond imbecilic.
  
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  August 28, 2022 11:04am
  - Ghost
    
    Oh so you are telling me drug smugglers won’t kill a child so they can transport the drugs in the child’s dead body?
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/may/10/brianwhitaker
    
    Drug smugglers abducted and killed a small girl, then stuffed her body with drugs in order to take them into a Gulf state, a senior police officer was reported as saying yesterday.
    
    Officials at the unnamed airport saw a woman cradling the child in her arms, apparently asleep. As the woman passed through immigration control an officer teased the child, but there was no response. Then he realised she was dead.
    
    Sympathy quickly turned to horror when officials discovered that the girl’s body was packed with drugs. They concluded that she had been killed for the specific purpose of smuggling narcotics.
    
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    August 28, 2022 3:52pm
  - Ghost
    
    Syria bore witness to a tragic crime in which a mother self-induced a miscarriage and used the body to smuggle narcotics.
    
    https://egyptindependent.com/syrian-woman-smuggled-drugs-using-her-miscarried-childs-body-state-tv/
    
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    August 28, 2022 3:54pm
  - Ghost
    
    A baby boy who was found dead in a bin at a notorious Mexican prison is believed to have been used to smuggle drugs inside the jail.
    
    The body of the tragic infant was discovered by an inmate at the Centre for Social Reinsertion in Puebla, Mexico while they were searching for plastic bottles.
    
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/cartel-put-drugs-inside-baby-25986492
    
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    August 28, 2022 3:59pm
  - Ghost
    
    Police in Mexico’s western state of Michoacan detained an alleged member of the Knights Templar cartel who is suspected of kidnapping children to harvest their organs, an official said Monday.
    
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/child-organ-trafficking-ring-busted-by-mexican-police-1.2576492
    
    New members of a Mexican drug cartel were reportedly forced to eat children’s hearts as part of their initiation, according to authorities.
    
    Details of the rituals were discovered by officials investigating an organ trafficking ring allegedly run by the infamous Knights Templar cartel
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/drug-dealers-in-mexico-made-to-eat-children-s-hearts-to-prove-their-loyalty-to-knights-templar-leader-el-chayo-9208856.html
    
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    August 28, 2022 4:15pm
    - Jack5
      
      Heart extraction from live victims was the dominant sacrifice among the Aztecs of ancient Mexico.
      
      Perhaps they just want to resurrect traditional ~~medicine~~ practices.
      
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      August 29, 2022 2:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“If you scare people enough they will demand the removal of freedom. This is the path to Tyranny”
Alon Musk – Jan 2022.
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August 28, 2022 10:35am
Ghost

Right or wrong I’d rather those involved with health be allowed to speak up officially and not knee capped by a minister.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/health-leader-crossed-the-line-by-supporting-green-mp-chl-e-swarbrick-s-alcohol-bill-health-minister-andrew-little.html
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August 28, 2022 10:37am
Jimbob

Stewart Mitchell is the main man, he said Foster is his man.
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August 28, 2022 10:37am
herb1

The upside to all this nonsense could be the easier entry to Med school for non Maori, as those who previously gained entry based on race, will see an easy way to a future career and wealth , simply by making up shit about the moon and Star
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August 28, 2022 10:52am
Tasman devil

Los Pumas v Loss All Blacks.
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August 28, 2022 10:55am
Captain Mainwaring

Summerset is going to build a 270 unit retirement village in Rotorua.
I wonder if they’ve approached Kainga Ora as a backstop to fill the houses.
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August 28, 2022 11:32am
- artemisia
  
  Could happen Capn. Back in the not-so-long-ago Seniors Minister Tracey Martin floated the idea of state housing for seniors within retirement villages.
  
  “If we can say to a housing developer: ‘You must have 40 per cent of affordable housing when you’re building separate housing’, why are we not having the same conversations with retirement village developers? So, it’s sort of like State housing for our seniors, I suppose, but inside an environment that they should be able to go inside with their peers.”
  
  I wonder if she considered the easily foreseen consequences.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102872272/affordable-housing-push-may-extend-to-retirement-village-developments
  
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  August 28, 2022 12:39pm
- kevn
  
  @Captn.. 270 unit development in a swamp. In the past it was deemed unsuitable for housing.
  
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  August 28, 2022 12:58pm
Maggie Pie

Just home from Mass. What a fab day it is!
One of the girls was showing me this pic of a much younger Joe & Jill.
We both found it not only disturbing….but also disgusting.
Thort I’d share it here with the group for comment 🙁

https://twitter.com/coffee_anytime/status/1563516993680343041
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August 28, 2022 11:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Firstly, they are not 15 years apart in age. They are 9 years apart. So the ‘baby sitter’ theory, while possible, is less likely.
  
  Secondly, the woman’s right arm has been blurred out. The picture is photo shopped.
  
  Nice try though.
  
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  August 28, 2022 12:02pm
  - Ghost
    
    Agree with the age, but the photo is not photoshopped
    
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CECz9sQhtvo/
    
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    August 28, 2022 12:16pm
  - kevn
    
    @BY… It looks like her head has been ‘put on’.
    Ai will do a better job.
    
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    August 28, 2022 1:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      So you are saying AI will do better than an actual photo that Jill Biden posted of her and Joe? Lol. Btw, the photo is a year after her divorce to her first husband
      
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      August 28, 2022 1:58pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    His “left hand” is weird too.
    
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    August 28, 2022 1:54pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      On the other hand, maybe it is not the photo that is fake:
      https://www.today.com/news/jill-biden-shares-throwback-photo-her-young-joe-biden-t189730
      
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      August 28, 2022 2:36pm
- Jake Dee
  
  I’m not really keen on doing a whole Sherlock Holmes routine with the reverse image search and so on, but when you see something like this you always have to ask, where does it come from ? What’s the provenance ? If the guy who spread it doesn’t know or won’t tell then we are dealing with anonymous sources, always treat those with extreme skepticism.
  
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  August 28, 2022 2:26pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    See my link above. The photo is real but the description is a pack of lies.
    
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    August 28, 2022 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Now if we can only get this past the brain addled Greens. It has to be done.
https://rwinkle.com/elon-musk-suggests-countries-should-embrace-nuclear-power/?
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August 28, 2022 12:14pm
- blue collar
  
  I’ll quite happily turn the first sod steveo
  
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  August 28, 2022 1:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well played and sung imo.
https://rumble.com/v18vpvj-shell-always-be-cindy-to-me-a-love-song-for-jacinda-ardern.html?
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August 28, 2022 12:21pm
Close Hen Counters

I thoroughly recommend reading Tom Bower’s Revenge about the Windsors vs Ginge and Whinge. It’s a real eye opener and almost impossible to put down … I am not a hardcore royalist – the delicious saga is a fabulous page turner right from the start!
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August 28, 2022 12:24pm
Pineapple Lumps

Have you heard the latest advertisements to promote mask wearing?

“Wearing a mask is an intentional act of kindness to others.”

So rather than providing facts the advertising campaign is being driven off engendering an emotive response. The danger with this messaging is that it vilifies anyone not wearing masks. By implication anyone not wearing a mask is being “unkind.” It also promotes those really extremely illogical mask wearing behaviours:
– people walking on West Coast beaches in masks
– people cycling wearing a mask
– people driving their car wearing a mask
– people out walking streets in masks
– people in massive southerly winds in wellington wearing masks
These Covidian Acolytes are the Uber-kind as they demonstrate their superior morality while they self-flagellate.

I really dislike living in a country full of faux moral pious idiocy. When will we get our beloved country back again? Will we ever?
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August 28, 2022 12:24pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep, nothing to do with science , just emotion .
  
  That’s where we’ve been for long time under this regime.
  
  And yes it is unbeliveable and frankly very concerning.
  
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  August 28, 2022 4:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The psychological messaging is completely deliberate demonisation of anyone not complying with Ardern’s orders. This is exactly the same as happened to the Jews in Germany in 1936. No, it isn’t anti semetic, it’s a fact.
  
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  August 28, 2022 9:22pm
Pineapple Lumps

When you see how much destruction Jacinda and her cronies are inflicting on our country, it makes you wonder why is she so deeply enamoured with the Global Communist ideology.

When you think of historic revolutionary movements, they have generally come about from existing power structures that were perpetuating hardships to the masses. So how does a girl growing up in the Waikato end up with such a massive chip on her shoulder?

It smacks of someone with a very distorted view of the world. Is our Prime Minister mentally ill?
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August 28, 2022 12:41pm
Maggie Pie

Yet they say ethnic-diversity is a wonderful thing….

https://twitter.com/Fancynancy49/status/1563375799410913280

“But whoso shall offend against one of those little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a heavy millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he be drowned in the depth of the sea”

– Matthew 18:6
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August 28, 2022 1:13pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is. But I would recommend excluding single Muslim men from North Africa and the Middle East. I don’t see many Taiwanese rapists around.
  
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  August 28, 2022 1:44pm
- Ghost
  
  https://freewestmedia.com/2022/07/17/nine-year-old-swedish-rape-victim-in-a-coma-minor-suspect-granted-residence-permit/
  
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  August 28, 2022 2:02pm
- Jake Dee
  
  I always found that passage very odd. Is there some metaphorical meaning to millstone and the sea that I’m missing or is that Jesus giving excellent advice on how to neatly murder someone and get away with it ? Take a guy out on a fishing trip and he never comes back. A millstone has a nice hole through it, very convenient and the body is never found. You can avoid shedding blood and might even be able to fool yourself into thinking YOU didn’t kill him, it was the sea, the last time I saw him he was fine, just headed straight down.
  Very Mafia.
  
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  August 28, 2022 2:22pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Think you might be onto something there Jake!
    Sounds to me like Matthew-the-Evangelist had been watching the Sopranos 😀
    
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    August 28, 2022 4:18pm
Inthe09

It’d probably be easier if ‘Stuff’ just gave us a list of their ‘approved’ candidates for the local body elections. Talk about a modern day witch-hunt with the same amount of science behind it. Disgraceful.
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August 28, 2022 1:40pm
Ghost

Ah, what, this is now racist, oh piss off

You don’t matter when you are this stupid.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1563005768537780226
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August 28, 2022 2:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Shape Shifting Reptilians.
https://babylonbee.com/news/dmt-hitting-joe-rogan-hard-as-he-could-swear-zuckerbergs-eyes-just-blinked-sideways/?seyid=18447
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August 28, 2022 3:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe is lying. Really? He can’t be – seriously. Mike will be along shortly to give me an opinion on how the brain rots!
https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/breaking-memos-show-joe-biden-tried-to-entrap-donald-trump-over-classified-documents/
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August 28, 2022 3:54pm
Takere

This guy again. Paul Majurey.

Flogging off iwi treaty settlement 170 year land rights to the highest bidder which is not the iwi the settlement(s) are intended for!

https://majureysmoves.wordpress.com/home/business-power/
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August 28, 2022 4:49pm
Alex

As Sherridan the Aussie journalist said on Sky News
Ardern speaks Nonsense. I have to add that that is before you get to the pronunciation.
She will probably say “I REFUDE THAT”.
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