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Tony Stuart

Trevor Mallard, eh? DefendNZ makes serious allegations against the former Speaker, which had they been published at the time (see below), would have been incredibly damaging. Check out this extract:

Over the course of the day, we began to sense that even our silent presence was becoming too challenging for the pro-euthanasia MPs, and around lunchtime, we discovered just how cruel those in power can be to a dissenting presence.

Without any prior warning, a Parliamentary security guard began rudely demanding that we leave the Parliament building immediately under the urgent order of Trevor Mallard.

Remember, we had not done anything illegal, we had not done anything disruptive, and we were there as guests of a sitting MP.

None of that mattered to Trevor Mallard, who quickly appeared in person to reinforce his eviction of a small and peaceful group of disabled and terminally ill New Zealand citizens.

I watched stunned, as Trevor Mallard stood over a woman with terminal brain cancer, and berated her with a raised voice, threatening her with a trespass notice as she sat in her wheelchair, made powerless and with eyes watering.

https://www.defendnz.co.nz/news-media/2022/8/exclusive-disabled-and-terminally-ill-among-first-victims-of-trevor-mallard-but-media-refused-to-tell-the-story#.Ywc7ddzCu4A.twitter=

The woman with terminal brain cancer has since passed away, but this incident was witnessed by a number of people.

So why didn’t we hear about this at the time? Read on:

In the immediate aftermath of our unjustified eviction from Parliament under threat of trespass notice by Trevor Mallard, we felt we had to alert the public to what had happened.

The forceful removal of peaceful and non-disruptive New Zealand citizens from our nation’s Parliamentary buildings was too serious an incident to stay silent about.

As we were being forcefully removed by no less than three security guards, I immediately made phone contact with journalists from 1NEWS and the NZ Herald, both of whom indicated that the Parliamentary press gallery was aware that something serious had just transpired in Parliament.

They also told me that they were keen to come down and interview us, but they would just need to clear it with their editors first.

An hour later, after hearing nothing further from either journalist, I contacted them for a second time. It was then that I was told that their editors had refused them permission to report on the incident.

I was dumbfounded, as I can’t ever recall any other incident involving peaceful advocates, who were at Parliament by invitation, having been then threatened with trespass notices and evicted by the Speaker of the House.

To say that this wasn’t something even mildly newsworthy beggars all belief.

At that stage, we chose not to take the issue any further because we didn’t want to create a sideshow, nor undermine our profoundly important advocacy work for vulnerable New Zealanders.

Don’t forget, the EOLC Bill was still alive in Parliament at that stage, and we did not want to take any course of action that would jeopardise the possibility of a good outcome for those Kiwis the Bill would harm if it became law.

Draw your own conclusions, but it is not implausible that the Speaker’s Office contacted media outlets, and suggested that there was no merit in reporting on this. Let’s not forget Mallard’s leaking of a supposed insult directed at the PM that he was apparently the only person in the entire House to hear, despite confessing to deafness in one ear. On that occasion, a couple of media outlets were selectively told the story, and did their best to implicate National MP’s. There was also the issue of media coverage of the Wellington occupation, where media were given access to a balcony accessible only through the Speaker’s apartment or office.

Had these allegations been made when Mallard was Speaker, there would have been widespread calls for Mallard to be stood down whilst an inquiry was conducted. But in some ways the allegations emerging now is an even more serious story, and begs the question; what else has Mallard hushed up?

Trevor Mallard will get his taxpayer-funded sinecure in Ireland, but it would be a travesty if he was knighted, despite that being a convention for Speakers of the House.
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December 26, 2020 8:18am
- Thought Criminal
  
  53m well spent.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:24am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    When you add the advertising of various bull shit government messages I think you will find that the 50 odd million dollars is the tip of a very large iceberg. We have a thoroughly corrupt government in power now in the process of arresting “ far right” web publishers for disseminating “ objectionable material and misinformation “. I didn’t know that publishing lies is illegal if it is than one Jacinda Ardern needs arresting immediately. I am beginning to despise the country I once loved for sitting back and allowing this to happen.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:20am
    - pussycat
      
      And we have a very corrupt MSM
      
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      August 26, 2022 11:24am
  - Tricati
    
    Name & shame the so called journalists they contacted. Sooner these faceless Labour apologists are identified and challenged publicly, the sooner the tide will turn
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:37am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, that was a total disgrace. I was just going to post the smae story. You beat me to the draw.
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:42am
- Observer of Life
  
  “ Had these allegations been made when Mallard was Speaker, there would have been widespread calls for Mallard to be stood down …”
  And unfortunately, those calls would have been ignored by our Fairy Princess.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, “I refude that”
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:09am
    - herb1
      
      Most sane people would not believe Ardern supporting Mallard by her “ refusing” allegations .
      After all she can support drug dealers and “ alleged “ sex abusers so no stretch to support someone who bully’s terminally I’ll people.
      I don’t have an issue with Ardern because I know what she is but I have issues with those her support her
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:55am
  - leoj
    
    Yeah, but DPF “likes him”…..
    
    Some judge.
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:01am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  NZ legacy media are rotten govt propagandists to the core.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  Mallard is a thug with fascist tendencies.
  
  Apart from acting out of a left inclination the media are also clearly in fear of this regime.
  
  Note too the sneaky but determined intention to undermine our democratic voting rights.
  
  “Be kind” yeah right.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:03am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Come on kowtow, he’s DPF’s mate! Be kind….
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:59am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Mallard is the visible part of the iceberg. This government is an authoritarian wannabe regime. They’re open to any form of usurping democracy to push their agenda. Remember they believe they are more important than the country.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:04am
  - trout
    
    Looking back on last week’s ‘Sharmadrama’ I am reminded that the current media have no historical perspective when it comes to reporting on the Labour party. The Ardern brand (‘kindness and compassion’) has blinded them to the reality; that the Labour Party has been, and still is, the political wing of the Union movement. Bully boy behaviour is the modus operandi of the movement. That is why bullying MP’s to keep them in line is no big deal. Poor old Sharma, who as a medico has probably never belonged to a Union, would not have anticipated that within the Party the bosses rule and individuality is not tolerated.
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:14am
  - david
    
    It is entirely consistent with a government that expresses publicly it’s intention to regulate grocery prices that a wholesaler is permitted to charge and ignore massive profits made by partly government-owned power suppliers.
    Grey people making regulations that rule the lives of the population.
    It’s not too late to have Mallard retired in shame. Unfortunately he will retire a wealthy man courtesy of the taxpayer which has fed and watered him for the last 20 or more years.
    Something is not right.
    
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    August 26, 2022 12:57pm
- Nickc2
  
  And this cretin is appointed as an Ambassador for our country?
  Shame, shame, shame! Shame on you PM!
  It’s not too late, hold an inquiry into this incident and cancel all his travel arrangements until the findings of the inquiry determine his worthiness to represent our country on the world stage.
  The inquiry must be open to the public, not behind closed doors.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:05am
  - G152
    
    While hes in Ireland cancel his citizenship
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:44am
- Jim
  
  Editorial constraints of media = State sponsored censorship.
  
  Even worse is the deliberate act of social engineering via state sponsored psychological advertising and control of media narratives.
  
  The above are not facets of a robust functional democracy.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mallard is a bully – he always was. In Ireland he will not have the backup of Parliament. Can’t wait until he gets lippy in a pub, and some huge Irishman knocks him the fuck out.
  He has it coming
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:07am
  - mogg
    
    In Ireland Mallard would be known as a ‘gobshite’.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:10am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Steve Otto you’ve given me a great idea! Holiday in Ireland, maybe a nice B&B in or around the pubs servicing the NZ embassy. Come to think of it why the hell do we have an embassy in Ireland?
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:05pm
  - david
    
    I wonder if there is an Irish equivalent to Kiwiblog so that we can warn them in advance of his arrival.
    
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    August 26, 2022 3:30pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  There were already numerous votes of no confidence in the speaker, and calls for the speaker to resign while he was there. But of course, Jacinda always came out and said she had full confidence in him.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    There was no vote of no confidence in Mallard. National tried on numerous occasions to have a Motion of No Confidence debated, but Labour MP’s always objected to leave being granted, and there the matter rested.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So much confidence in him that she made him the Godfather of her child.
    FFS.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:45am
    - kowtow
      
      Yer , Godfather indeed , in the Mario Puzo sense of the word.
      
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      August 26, 2022 10:05am
    - Flossie
      
      Why would her child have a godfather? I thought she was not religious?
      
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      August 26, 2022 10:24am
      - Nickc2
        
        Most children have a habit of doing what their parents want eh?
        
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        August 26, 2022 12:08pm
      - david
        
        She may have had doubts about the stay-ability of the other “bloke” in her life. I would normally refer to the father of her child but I have no evidence either way on that.
        
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        August 26, 2022 12:59pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The treatment of these visitors is one thing, and bears investigation. This is not the most disturbing part of the story however.
  
  I feel that the media is far too much in lockstep with the government.
  
  It seems that the new progressives of the world have insinuated themselves into the MSM. We are now in the position that the Perigos, Plunketts, Hawkesbys and Hoskings of the world are becoming more and more Persona Non Grata in the media scape, and that the MSM now seems to be part of the government messaging system, and less about holding them to account, especially when dealing with a center left or left government.
  
  Andrea Vance’s revelations of Political Editors holding weekly conference calls with the PM’s Office to lay out the messaging for the week should be raising alarms, and the payment of millions to the same organisations creates the impression of Government seeking to control the very media who is tasked with holding them to account.
  
  Stories like the one above only serve to reinforce that impression.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:27am
  - kowtow
    
    I’d add HDPA and Hubby to that mix.
    
    They speak out and question.
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:35am
- Chris R
  
  Does NZ actually already own an Embassy in Dublin (or Belfast?) (The Mallard appointment does not make it clear whether he is the ambassador for Eire or Ulster. Would this make any difference?) I ask as I would like to know how much it is costing the taxpayer to rid ourselves of this malignance. I would be keen for him to reside in a sewer anywhere.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:28am
  - kowtow
    
    https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/countries-and-regions/europe/ireland/new-zealand-embassy/#:~:text=New%20Zealanders%20in%20Ireland%20requiring,are%20strictly%20by%20appointment%20only.
    
    yes , embassy in Dublin. very nice address too.That’ll have cost a prince’s ransom.
    
    Belfast , being part of the UK presumably comes under our High Commission in London.
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:38am
  - Flossie
    
    Surely would have to be Dublin. We already have a High Commissioner in London for the UK, of which Northern Ireland is a part.
    
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    August 26, 2022 12:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    Eire – Northern Iraland is part of the UK (still).
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:23pm
    - kowtow
      
      Southern Iraland may well become just that . Sinn Fein party very popular . Which is very disturbing.
      
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      August 26, 2022 2:36pm
- nathie
  
  Who are these News Editors? Unlike the Parliamentary Press Gallery journalists who are the public face of their news reporting, the public have no idea who the News Editors are (whom perception wise are appearing to censor news stories depending on whether it is approved by the Labour Party).
  
  BTW a quick google search to show who the current Parliamentary Press Gallery journalists are …. has not been updated since 10 June 2016 when National were in power!
  
  Well Labour are the Govt so the buck stops with them.
  
  So have I stumbled on the wrong page or is this another case of Labour/Parliament Services/Mallard abusing the “Most Open and Transparent” rehearsed propaganda lines?
  
  (Check out some of these names who have moved on to other news organisations or have retired)!
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/document/00speakadminspeakerpressgallery1
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    The editors ?
    
    They’ll be the guys doing the weekly conference call with the PM’s office.
    
    Now if Kate Hannah from the Disinformation Project or the likes of Andrea Vance wanted to do a conspiracy theory story on how our democracy is being undermined then perhaps a front page expose of that cosy little arrangement would be good and timely .
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:42am
  - nathie
    
    Even journos “Jessica and Tova” weren’t around back then – that’s how out of date Mallard’s list is!
    
    Other journos like Corrin Dann and Gower have left the building and moved on to other ventures!
    
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    August 26, 2022 12:02pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  What a shock that this bullying thug is being outed now that he’s safely out of reach of action. The new Speaker “apologising” for the egregious trespassing of the Great Charlatan just one day after Mallard stepped down was as cynical as it was expected.
  
  Narcissist bullies never apologise in person or sincerely, even when ordered to by the Court.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:58am
- The Other Enoch
  
  Tony, the wheel has definitely turned. I was sitting in the Air NZ lounge in Auckland last night when the PM walked in. She was accompanied by her usual security team but this time there were 3 in close attendance, not the usual 2.
  
  I watched her closely as she walked in. She did not appear to be confident or comfortable. Instead, she looked almost furtive and hid behind her mask keeping it on almost the whole time that she was in the lounge. Contrast that with every other person in the lounge who was maskless.
  
  Further, the last time that I saw the PM in an Air NZ lounge was in Wellington. The contrast between then and last night could not have been more stark. In Wellington she sat right by the entrance where she knew that every single visitor would need to pass her. There was a continuous procession of lounge members walking up to her and talking. The PM looked confident, in control and proud.
  
  Last night she would have been in the lounge for around 40mins. Aside from how she looked, only one person talked to her. She is definitely out of favour.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:09am
  - Bill Felt
    
    There has been some talk in social media (and a video clip) about a motorcade in Auckland for Thursday. Many cars, many police bikes, a large headcount. They did a full practice run on Wednesday in preparation. And this all for a visit to CostCo!
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:29pm
  - Allan
    
    I hope that the disdain and contempt for her continues long after she is booted out of office. She deserves no less for the damage that she has caused both socially and economically during her disastrous time as PM.
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:55pm
- oldfella
  
  Tony, will the Nats ask questions in parliament about this appalling incident?
  They should, but I suspect they’ll let it slide.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Who was the MP that the ejectees were the guest of .
    
    That’s where the heat should come from and if not why not.
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:38pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  We need to talk about Trevor….
  
  He’s always been a bit thick, and a lot nasty.
  
  I guess he is the dark shadow of the “kindness” brand, and always has been.
  
  Labour always claim to be the defender of workers and of the oppressed, but always, mysteriously, brutal footsoldiers are on hand in case the Proles get too uppity.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:59am
  - Tricati
    
    He was Helen Clark’s bovver boy and never changed. A truly despicable man.
    
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    August 26, 2022 4:26pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What I want to know is why did the new speaker apologise for Mallards crimes? Did the PM force him to? I would have refused snd left it to Mallard
  
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  August 26, 2022 11:03am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There will be many with more knowledge of these matters than I possess, but I believe the reason is that it is the Office of the Speaker that is subject to the court order, rather than the Speaker as a person.
    
    For Mallard to delegate it to one of the Assistant Speakers while he was still in charge would lay bare for all the world to see what a weasel he is. But for the new Speaker to announce it the day after Mallard steps down is just a happy accident of timing – simples!
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:06pm
- RRM
  
  Labour really are the benchmark for tone-deaf.
  
  Michael “river of filth” Wood is complaining that “graceless” things were said about Mallard:
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/wood-blasts-comments-about-mallard-as-graceless-but-admits-former-speaker-hasn-t-got-everything-right/ar-AA116L9z?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=84a7b95c1d49464b9c6ac6d06ca1a453
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:08pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Michael Wood wouldn’t know Grace if she bit him on the arse. He’s a Union Lackey.
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:36pm
    - Tricati
      
      Union Thug – Fixed it for you
      
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      August 26, 2022 4:28pm
CJames

For those not privy to the electricity industry news, there has been happenings, some of which will have a effect on your power bills.. They haven’t made any decision on the big battery (aka Lake Onslow), but the alternatives put up against it either don’t exist or are prohibitively expensive. The big decision is supposed to be December. Amazingly (or probably not so as it is Labour we are talking about), they haven’t done any even provisional costings, economic analysis or even just look at how it will change the market. The effect it will have on the grid hasn’t even been acknowledged to be a potential issue. That will cost unbudgeted extra billions to fix.

In the same week, the cost of Snowy 2.0, the pumped storage scheme in Australia, has been announced as going from $2B to $10B. A lot of the work there hasn’t even started yet! They are still just in detailed design stage. That cost increase is not unusual on these type of schemes.

MinisterWoods is saying the battery will save a lot of money because they won’t have to overbuild so many of the unreliables. Rather than 5 times overbuild, it will only need 3 times overbuild. Cognative dissidence is strong in that one. One of the power generator’s CEO said the industry should be building one to four windfarms a year for the next 30 years to meet the demand. The price of the one currently being built is only 13% overbudget. But future revenue will rise, making it economically viable!! Revenue going up – so more expensive electricity. Wind certainly isn’t getting cheaper.

All this is so we can get rid of thermal plant yet have cheap and abundant green energy, to quote the Minister. That’s code for stock up on candles and get a mortgage to pay for your electricity. Because the market won’t build these stations as it’s uneconomic, if not impossible, some advocates want a reincarnated NZE to take over and run the system as a monopoly. That forced nationalisation used to be called something else, didn’t it? Maybe Kiwielectricity will be run by iwi so that will be OK For the WEF consiracists out there, the Sorus funded openDemocracy supports this strategy. https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/andrew-fisher-labour-nationalise-energy-national-grid-privatisation/

Meanwhile, in the different universe called Planet Earth, energy poverty in Europe is a massive problem – reckoned it is being going to 60% of the poulation in Germany this winter. It is even starting to affect the urban liberals who thought themselves immune from this sort of thing. As I write this, their power price is about $1.50 a kWh and that is well below the peak this week! They still want to close their last nukes in December despite already having an electricity shortage. Their governments have followed the green utopian dream and when Russia turned off the gas, their greenwashing was exposed and it has turned to shit. We will do it differently of course. Brought to you by the people who gave us Kiwibuild.
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August 26, 2022 8:05am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’m trying to figure out when the best time to buy a generator will be – I’m convinced I’m going to need one.
  I don’t want to wait too long because increased demand from like-minded souls will put the cost through the roof, but I don’t want to have it sitting about doing nothing for too long either.
  It really is so frustrating that we’re at the mercy of these fools who think imposing these massive costs on us to fix a non-problem is the way to go. They apparently aren’t able to learn from the developing disasters in Europe/UK, ensuring we will go cold/broke as well.
  And simple voters with a brain in their head have a real problem because there is no real opposition to this idiocy.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    Not only a generator, but also a UPS to keep your fibre connection and digital devices up (especially if you work from home)
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:06am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Move to somewhere with water running through your property and re-purpose an F&P washing machine motor.
    
    Check out Marty T on Youchoob he’s somewhere in the sticks around Nelson I think.
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:28am
    - Flossie
      
      If you have water running through your property then somebody – or something – os bound to “own” that water!
      
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      August 26, 2022 12:12pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        If you have water running through your property you probably live in Nelson & have bigger problems than power prices!
        
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        August 26, 2022 7:05pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Use ya electric car battery. Apparently you can buy a thingy that will be able to use as a electricity supply, good luck though 😃
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:16am
  - GJM
    
    I am getting my electrician to price a generator connection and changeover switch at present. Expect it will be around $3k.
    I have a small Honda generator at present that has kept the office going before, but I will need a bigger 3 phase one to keep the whole house, bore pump and workshop running.
    
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    August 26, 2022 3:37pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Am I the only one who thinks that the govt. haven’t done appropriate costings/analysis because they really aren’t interested in the results?
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:30am
  - pdm
    
    CN – or Ministers and their staff do not know how to.
    
    May be the more likely reason.
    
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    August 26, 2022 8:36am
    - CJames
      
      pdm
      They know – they have acknowledged they haven’t done it in their first part which only cost $30M. I bet they did iwi consultation for a fair chunk of that though. The next part costing another $70M is going to do it, along with other work including more consultation.
      If you go back in previous GDs, I did it before, showing it is uneconomic. They can have that for free.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:00am
  - Ruawai
    
    And they have already made up their minds.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘costings/analysis’ wots that? Better get a working Group onto it
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They don’t want the results known before the election, just like the rotten CCC did not want their plan to force cars off the road known
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:18am
- alloytoo
  
  Battery storage for unreliables appears to defy the laws of physics.
  
  A hydro battery will work if your baseline generation is sufficient to meet gross demand, but not sufficient to meet peak.
  
  Offpeak baseline can then be used to fill the battery.
  
  Great if you have reliable nuclear power and can plan off peak storage.
  
  It will never work with unreliables because you cannot plan for recharging the battery, you cannot guarantee that the battery will always be full when you need it for peak.
  
  As a result…..
  
  Scarcity will drive up prices, the battery adds to the price, the standby reliable generation either on grid or off grid will add to the price of energy.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:04am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Oh stop it, with your maths and your common sense and calculations and science and all that – that – knowledge!
    
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    August 26, 2022 3:31pm
- Simon
  
  Yep with a few more years of zero carbon 24 hr electricity in NZ will only be aspirational.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:05am
- RoboRob
  
  This is the big smoking gun hidden by the media and government. It is the poison pill that the next government will need to deal with. Energy projects take years to complete and this government, knowing the issues (see Megan Woods inauguration speech), has done none of the work or planning to deal with it.
  
  The issue in Germany is due to poor decision making and planning but a war is an unplanned event. In NZ we have known for a decade that we needed more supply and that renewables could not be the only solution. We have done NOTHING. Building windfarms is cheap (relatively) but doesn’t address the baseload issues. Woods has known this from day one.
  
  The primary driver to successful economies / countries is energy supply. Cheap reliable energy equals competitive successful businesses. The opposite is true for failed states.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:06am
  - hullkiwi
    
    One of the prime reasons nothing has been done is Wellington, in its broadest sense.
    
    Before I start , I am not a conspiracy theorist, but the reason for much of this government’s inaction, or screwball decision making is a combination of two things:
    
    1. Government, Green Party MPs and their close allies/advisors are working at levels way beyond their experience, qualification and experience. These people are in senior decision making & advisory roles, and these people are making decisions or implementing policies that at their best are inept or at their worst a scandalous train wreck for the country;
    2. Much of the source material for the inept decision and policy making is not the work of bureaucrats beavering away at their desks in Wellington, but is output of a number of second rate over hyped, and despite the letters behind their names, highly qualified academics at some of this country’s universities (in particular Victoria, birth place of the Green Party).
    
    The 2 factors above have resulted in information/ research opinion flowing from the universities to either government departments or political advisors, and then turning up in government decision making and policy throughout the country.
    
    Macro aspects of public policy that have been influenced in this manner include:
    1. Social and justice policy;
    2. Education;
    3. Transport
    4. Environment, including agriculture, climate change, emmissions trading, and waste management;
    5. Energy – or the lack of it.
    
    As someone who has 30 years experience of providing project finance in the transport & energy sectors in Europe, Middle East & the Pacific, I investigated opportunities in NZ, given NZ has a looming energy crisis because of bad public policy decision making. What I found was public policy based on dogma emanating from the universities, with no scope of rational debate and decision making.
    
    It is because of the above future projects are Lake Onslow, wind farms and solar farms.
    
    So, if you live in the upper North Island buy a generator and put solar panels on your roof!
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:24am
    - RoboRob
      
      Agreed. Wellington appears to be an echo chamber for academic / progressive thought.
      
      The problems actually go all the way down the chain.
      
      I do occasional third party work for one of the big power producers. Over 20yrs I have seen staff come and go so rapidly that there is almost no institutional knowledge. They have had an internal IT team, then fired them and hired them as contractors, then un contracted them and hired large multinationals to handle their IT. They have out sourced, in sourced and then out sourced over and over. Every two years all plans are put on hold by new management while they are reviewed. Staff sit and wait to see what the new plan is.
      We have had a software project that we have scoped three times since covid. Produced requirements docs (for them) and design docs. Each time we have produced SOW / quotes to them. Before go ahead occurs the managers are ‘shuffled’ and the new manager comes in. The process restarts. In ~6yrs we have billed for this time but never actually gotten authorisation to do the work. Our primary contact has been sitting on his hands for > 6mths while current new management review his role in the company. He is not allowed to start any new work and people are not allowed to deal with him. I am not sure what he actually does all day at this point or even if he still works there.
      
      We have a support contract which allows for a number of ‘free’ hours work per quarter. Almost no one there knows this and they constantly want SOW and or quotes to do things that are already covered. It is only our honesty that stops us from double billing.
      
      No wonder they cant do anything more complex then wind farms. Anything that required serious design work and implementation (i.e. a hydro dam or nuclear) would get stuck in limbo. If they even still have the organisational expertise to do this stuff anymore.
      
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      August 26, 2022 11:42am
      - hullkiwi
        
        RoboRob, I agree with you. As I said above, I have over 30 years project finance experience including advising on thermal electric power plants. Initially, it was the “dash for gas” with North Sea gas & more recently waste to energy.
        
        Because of poor planning & decision making, NZ is facing power shortages in the next 10 years. Since the Clyde High Dam, NZ has reduced its net generating capacity, while demand for electricity has grown because of a 25% increase in population and the decommissioning of 4 thermal power stations (and what do we hear – we all need to moved to EV’s powered by what, diesel generators?)
        
        Last year, because of the above and the fact the country sits on a mountain of rubbish, I looked at the potential for the development of waste to Energy generating capacity. Practically, it is easy. The problem is as I said Wellington. All the environmental policy has eminated from academics at Victoria and we’ll placed lobbyists. Their opinions (research) has then infected the olicy of the Ministry of the Environment & the Electricity Authority. Hence unless there is a change of government and a change of government policy NZ will experience a shortage of electricity in the coming decade.
        
        Not bad going, considering 40 years ago, NZ had a surplus of generating capacity.
        
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        August 26, 2022 2:58pm
      - CJames
        
        hullkiwi. That isn’t correct about new stations. Since Clyde, they have built about 800MW of geothermal, 1100MW of CCGT, about 600MW of OCGT and the windfarms which are very nominally rated as 1000MW. They have also put the extra Manapouri tunnel in (another 100MW) and boosted the efficiency of most hydros with new runners.
        They have also improved the availability of almost all the units by better mtce practices that effectively added 10% to the capacity.
        They decommissioned NPPS (which was down to 120MW at the end), one Huntly unit 250MW, and about 550MW of GTs . Almost all the thermal decommissioning was of thermal plant that was at the end of life and would need major work to extend the operating hours.
        Waste to energy at the Meremere site would have been brilliant, using railed in rubbish from Auckland, Hamilton and Tauranga. Probably about 200MW base load capacity. Ash in the old coal mines in the area. Could have done centralised recycling there as well. Killed by the industrial wing of the Greens in the 90s. They used dioxin as the scare tactic. A massive act of economic and environmental sabotage that they should never be forgiven for, if ever there was just one issue to crucify them on.
        
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        August 26, 2022 3:34pm
- Nickc2
  
  Scary eh?
  Last night, I saw an advert for a new Maori Electricity retailer who stated that if their customers couldn’t afford to pay their invoices, the company would pay for them out of profits. I kid you not!
  How the fuck do they pay people’s invoices out of profits if nobody pays their invoices?
  Oh, that’s right, they probably assume this Govt will be in power forever with Maori pulling their strings.
  I can’t remember the name of this retailer, but I’m assuming it’s an off-shoot of Mahuta Corp.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:27am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Nick, I saw the piece on Seven Sharp too. From what I saw, I think you are mis-stating their business model. There are two parts, these are:
    1. They are earning revenue through small scale electricity generation via solar panels. This generation is then sold to customers and the grid.
    2. Electricity is sold and paid for by customers. What they are not do is charging at the retail rates of the big providers. What they are doing, they are taking part of the putting some of the profit to pay for the electricity of those clients who are unable to meet the cost of a monthly invoice because of short term circumstances.
    
    Mahuta Corp is not part of this venture.
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:27am
    - Nickc2
      
      Is this who you’re talking about?
      https://kokiri.nz/portfolio-item/nau-mai-ra/
      My reference to Mahuta Corp was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
      
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      August 26, 2022 1:33pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        That is them.
        
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        August 26, 2022 3:01pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Please find out ASAP I want to sign up.
    
    p.s. I am not paying any invoices ever.
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:45am
    - Nickc2
      
      Just for you:
      https://kokiri.nz/portfolio-item/nau-mai-ra/
      
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      August 26, 2022 1:30pm
- Raphael
  
  I am a member of a very large Facebook group that is mostly UK families. A number have been posting the Power/Gas deals they are able to get. The best ones are an annualised fixed rate of around £600 per month.
  If we’re not careful our government will be sending our prices that high as well.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:42am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, I’ve been seeing similar stories from the UK. These cost levels are 3 to 4 times the levels we were paying 10 years ago in Sussex.
    
    The issue in the UK has been looming for 20 years. At the heart of the issue is a firm of business advisor at the heart of government advisory and policy making in London. The firm concerned is one of the big 4 accounting firms who were conflicted with clients which are/were private sector energy providers. The strange thing is that they were advocating electricity generation using nuclear and W2E. These programmes have been on going for the past 15 years and were aimed at reducing dependency on fossil fuel generation. However, as I understand matters, there are still some power stations still relying on natural gas for generation. The gas previously was coming from the North Sea, however, over time they may have moved (& maintained) supply with reliance on Russian piped gas.
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:49am
CJames

For those interested, the Brendan O’Neill podcast with Alex Epstein puts the blame for the anti-fossil fuel energy crisis and coming depression on the green agenda agressively pursued by politicians. The cult of fossil fuel & industrial benefit denial is an anti-humanity religious belief.
https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/why-fossil-fuels-are-the-future/
The takeaway is that the establishment needs the apocalyptic predictions (which never come true but they are memory-holed without consequence) to drive their control of the frightened populus.
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August 26, 2022 8:06am
- G152
  
  Well the green movement should be at the ready to use shovels and wheel barrows at the next series of road slips since using fossil powered machinery is a big nono.
  Wouldnt want them to look like hypocrites would we
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:15am
- Scott
  
  CJames – quite right. The green movement is an alternative religion. What is the purpose of my life? To save the world from climate change. Who are the prophets? Greta and Bill Gates. What will happen if we do nothing? The world will end and it will be our fault.
  
  Meanwhile in the real world over at the appropriately named blog Powerline, they have been talking for some years about the failure of solar and wind power. They are low-density energy sources that cannot possibly supply the energy needs of a first world country. They are also intermittent and unreliable. When the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow you will have no power.
  There is a lot of detail in this article for those of a more analytical mind than me. However one quote stands out – ” to meet existing U.S. electricity with wind power (unreliably) you would have to dedicate an area twice the size of California to wind turbines. ”
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/the-disaster-of-green-energy.php
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:32am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep. Basic mathematics
    
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    August 26, 2022 7:41pm
- Simon
  
  The oligarchs running the US government want everyone eating fake patented meat. Everyone who wants to eat fake plant meat in the future will have to pay a patent fee every time. They will outlaw real meat. The want to own everything.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:10am
Tomtoddy

The bought and paid for media continue their campaign of telling us who we can vote for and who we cannot. Just one more step in the removal of our freedom. Be aware.
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August 26, 2022 8:07am
- igm
  
  Are these two any worse than those endorsed and funded by Labour/Greens?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/129669333/the-married-couple-standing-for-election-espousing-antivax-rhetoric-and-dangerous-conspiracy-theories
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:15am
  - Pavel
    
    The articles are good for alot of people as they let us know who to vote for. I’ve never voted in a local body election but I will be this year now that stuff has shown me the candidates. Only a VFF candidate will get my vote. NZ is so divided now that stuff is actually doing these candidates a favor. All publicity is good publicity.
    Also I feel that alot of commentators on here underestimate the general public. Gone are the days of a morning paper and the 6pm news being our main sources of news and alot of people have woken up to how full of crap they are. A few of our media organizations can’t survive without government handouts. They publish crap, no one reads it, advertisers run; their business model is a failure, they’ve done themselves in and ruined themselves financially and without government funding they would all he down at winz.
    
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    August 26, 2022 8:56am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I totally agree Pavel. Much of the media are basically in a circle jerk with themselves and the Ardern regime. Ardern knows that many thinking people are gathering their information from alternative sources hence her attack on “ misinformation “.
      
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      August 26, 2022 10:04am
  - emmess
    
    The irony is, if he’d been unironically wearing the hazmat suit to the supermarket because he had bought the government’s propaganda and was legitimately scared of covid (and the flu, notice that in the ads now), Stuff would be totally okay with him.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:17am
- Gravelroad
  
  It would be interesting to know if these stories, paid for by the Labour Party’s “democracy reporting fund” are being generated by random reporters with a personal agenda – or – is it an integrated plan organised by media management and owners.
  If the former, as a journalist for the past many years, I can say I have never seen anything like it.
  If the latter, it would seem that the msm is indeed now in the hands of politicians determined to ensure an outcome of their choosing and for their benefit.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:16am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And that sets a very dangerous precedent ahead of next year’s General Election.
    
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    August 26, 2022 8:23am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The behaviour next year will be super charged compared to what we see now. Expect the media to dredge up the past of many National and ACT candidates. From disgruntled ex girlfriends to “racist” behaviour.
      
      I really think the media will go all out to get Labour back in. They don’t even pretend to be impartial now.
      
      If Luxon becomes PM he must terminate all financial support for the media. My fear is he will maintain the funding and promise to “do it better than Labour”.
      
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      August 26, 2022 8:37am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        I’m going to give the New Zealand public a bit of credit for seeing that the media is seriously biased and that the public vote accordingly.
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:08am
      - Souvlaki
        
        Yes…I fear you’re correct…..he will have to capitulate to Seymour however, & Im pretty confident ACT won’t allow this rort to continue!
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That would be a question to ask Luxon, and see if he goes back in his word. If he does go back on his word, he is finished.
        The socialist media must be punished as well. They better start moving it Oz now.
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:25am
      - MCōs
        
        If these allegations that the government controls the media are correct, it stands to reason that won’t change if there is a change of government & National/ACT/??? will control the airways.
        That being the case all the rabid communists who currently populate the MSM, except those who aren’t, will either be sent for reeducation or replaced or the funding withdrawn from their parent organization.
        Melissa Lee might have her work cut out organizing that.
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:27am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “That being the case all the rabid communists who currently populate the MSM, except those who aren’t, will either be sent for reeducation”
        
        I don’t know about that. A National Government was happy to fund RNZ as it descended into a socialist propaganda unit. The Government could have replaced the Board with a clear instruction to the new Board to ensure impartial coverage, and to separate English and Maori language programmes. It really would have been easy.
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:35am
      - kowtow
        
        info@cruz
        
        What the same public that caved to fear and propaganda that gave Ardern an absolute majoridy under MMP .
        The same people still wearing masks alone in their cars or out in open spaces .
        
        No , I’m not encouraged at all that the numbers will be that significant .
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:45am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        We are in a fight for our democracy which make no mistake this regime regards as an obstacle. I had a young Labour supporter around my house recently, a friend of my son, who said that he didn’t think we should have elections because people voted for their own selfish interests and we should leave government to the experts.
        
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        August 26, 2022 10:14am
      - Ra Henare
        
        If Luxon said he would terminate all financial support to media. They would go all in to ridicule National and support Labour.
        
        A more cunning plan would be for luxon to sya he is considering increasing funds for “”independent” journalism. Then after election and a Treasury report, say the country cant affor it and cut the media bastards off at the knees.
        
        Stuff would go out of Business and the Herald would be severely hobbled.
        
        At the same time he would change the board of the Gummint news organisation to make independent and balanced reporting mandatory.
        
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        August 26, 2022 3:02pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    It’s the latter (or both), surely.
    I’d love it if some journalist with a conscience working for one of these bought and paid for MSM organisations (are there any?) recorded and published some of their meetings.
    
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    August 26, 2022 8:36am
    - Yabster
      
      That Nadine Porter is a piece of work:
      
      “Stuff has also seen 12 Official Information Requests (OIAs) sent to a government department by a man named P Shaw that included reference to conspiracy theories such as The Great Reset – a misinformation campaign that incorrectly claimed a global elite is using the coronavirus pandemic to dismantle capitalism and enforce radical social change”
      
      Its not as if the WEF is hiding its policy.
      Ardern speech seems very similiar to Klaus’s/WEF Great reset areas.
      
      WEF chief executive officer Klaus Schwab described three core components of the Great Reset: creating conditions for a “stakeholder economy”; building in a more “resilient, equitable, and sustainable” way, utilising environmental, social, and governance (ESG) metrics; and “harness[ing] the innovations of the Fourth Industrial Revolution.”[4][5] In her speech opening the dialogues, International Monetary Fund director Kristalina Georgieva listed three key aspects of a sustainable response to COVID-19: green growth, smarter growth, and fairer growth.[6][3]
      
      https://www.apec.org/press/news-releases/2021/prime-minister-ardern-calls-for-cooperation-to-achieve-recovery
      
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      August 26, 2022 8:55am
      - Jim
        
        Just one of many useful idiots, who are ushering once strong functional democracies towards deliberate cultural, ideological and societal dissection.
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:12am
      - alloytoo
        
        Wouldn’t an OIA sent by and individual be subject to the privacy act?
        
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        August 26, 2022 9:23am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Also, these cynical utterances from an msm tasked with interfering in local democracy candidacy, illustrate that they have no idea of how elected councils actually function.
      It is very, very unlikely that an individual (or even one or two together) can get themselves elected,walk in and demand radical change.
      It just doesn’t work that way.
      They can demand, but it won’t happen.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:06am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Chris Nisbet a journalist with a conscience ? You going to be waiting a long time. As with much of NZs industry anyone of true calibre is working overseas.
      
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      August 26, 2022 10:17am
  - Ruawai
    
    Have a look at page 8 of attached link to our local paper Franklin County News where Arena Williams (Labour MP) and Stuart Smith (National MP) are asked their opinion on this statement: Democracy is derailed when those standing for election hide information or outright lie to win votes. Now we have an anti-vax group with an agenda to make the country ‘‘ungovernable’’standing candidates in local body elections and telling them to hide their affiliations. Is it time to follow California’s lead with a law allowing voters to ‘recall’ an elected official if there is widespread concern about their performance. An MP from each side of the House gives their views.
    
    Basically Labour don’t support democracy/free speech and National do.
    
    https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/e-edition/franklin-county-news/46637?utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional&utm_campaign=e-edition_franklin-county-news_2022-08-25_46637
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:29am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Could we not get an o/s group to report here paid by those who really want democracy?
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:42pm
cjn

I read that a New Zealand soldier was killed in Ukraine. I read that he was on “unpaid leave”. Would his family be eligible for compensation?
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August 26, 2022 8:12am
- MCōs
  
  I doubt it since, from what I understand, it’s illegal for someone serving in the military to take up arms for a foreign country.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mercenary? Wonder how that fits in?
    Genuine question MCos
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:32am
    - Nickc2
      
      Ask the previous Minister of Defence (Ron Mark). I believe he prostituted his services to the Sultan of Brunai.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:36am
      - Nickc2
        
        Correction to my 9:36AM post
        Ron Mark contracted to the Sultanate of Oman, not Brunai as stated.
        
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        August 26, 2022 10:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Mercenary
      There’s no other explanation.
      
      If the NZDF were unaware that he was fighting in Ukraine, he was a mercenary.
      
      Otherwise we have to accept that Ardern’s Government has turned a blind eye to having NZ soldiers fighting in Ukraine.
      
      *NZDF members who join to fight for another country without permission are on dangerous legal ground – a soldier cannot have two masters
      
      *a general principle applies that such fighters must not become mercenaries, a status prohibited by both international and domestic law.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/473514/with-the-death-of-a-kiwi-fighter-in-ukraine-should-the-government-make-it-harder-for-volunteers-to-go#:~:text=NZDF%20members%20who%20join%20to,both%20international%20and%20domestic%20law.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:45am
      - MCōs
        
        ‘Mercenary’ implies gun for hire where the money is the main consideration.
        By all accounts this chap involved himself in the war over there because he wanted to help in the fight between good and evil, even though it didn’t directly effect him or his country.
        Same reason NZ is usually involved in wars.
        BTW
        His family didn’t know he was there, NZDF say they didn’t know, it’s highly unlikely the PM knew.
        
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        August 26, 2022 10:17am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Correct MCos, there are many foreign volunteers from even NATO countries and NZ.
        I know one over there, former SAS, and good on him. Just a shame if he gets taken out by a missile strike on a barracks before he gets to use his specialist skill set (sniper).
        This is much like NZers went to the Spanish Civil war, and fought on the side of the ‘goodies’ i.e. leftists which included Stalinists and Anarchists.
        Goodies and Baddies is not really a thing in reality, but you can consider that some aggressors are worse than others, or their actions have implications great than even the local conflict.
        For Russia to be a pariah for resorting to force and invasion (again) – regardless of the corruption issues in the Ukraine or rights & wrong over the border regions – is a good thing.
        And for people to go there to fight against it too.
        Because I think we need to consider whether China might go for Taiwan next, or in future years why not to ‘liberate’ countries where they have bought strategic assets, or who defaulted on Belt and Road or other such valid premises?
        Putin and Russian organised crime are so tightly connected that even just giving Putin the poisoner and thug a black eye seems a good principle too!
        
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        August 26, 2022 2:14pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The coverage is weird. Saying he was “on leave” implies he was there on vacation. If he died in combat fighting with the Ukranian army, why not just say that?
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:11am
  - Phronesis
    
    Just looking at the picture of him I suspect there is a fair bit the media probably haven’t caught on to. My bet is he wore the beard on active duty for NZ as well.
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:12am
    - CJames
      
      They have said he was infantry and based at Burnham, so that is very unlikely to make him SAS
      
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      August 26, 2022 12:44pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Correct, not SAS, and the beard is not a default SAS thing in any case. Something they adopted when amongst the beardy-types on deployment.
        This is actually were all the fashion of beards and ‘Piccadilly weepers’/’bugger grips’ in the Victorian military came from too….the ones serving overseas cultivated whiskers and it caught on.
        
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        August 26, 2022 2:19pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Because they haven’t figured out the best political angle to use his death for. Cynical, but that’s how this works.
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:47am
  - cjn
    
    I recorded in July that 6956 mercenaries arrived in Ukraine and were fighting: 1956 were repairing equipment and that 1779 had come and gone. I did not record the number instructing. The UK, Netherlands and Poles were the keenest. Poles 1831 of whom 378 had died and 272 returned to Poland. UK 422 had arrived. These figures would be out of date as governments have been clear that such volunteers are fighting outside the protections offered by the Geneva Convention and are dissuading their men from volunteering. However if NZ army blokes are reading General Discussion in Kiwiblog they may think they are on the side of the angels and be prepared to offer themselves in this brothers’ war as a meaningless sacrifice.
    
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    August 26, 2022 7:53pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Funny how a NZer going to fight as a Mercenary member of an”International Legion” is “off duty” and a wonderful son and productive member of society….
  
  I guess being a merc fighting a Great Power is less fun than doing it where the only opposition is hiding in caves and doesn’t have air cover or artillery.
  
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  August 26, 2022 2:22pm
Yvette

Co-governance
The Water Services Entities Bill will establish four publicly owned water services entities intended to provide safe, reliable, and efficient water services.

This Bill is intended to begin the process of ensuring that everyone in New Zealand has access to safe drinking water, by setting out the arrangements around ownership, governance, and accountability of four new water services entities.

The Water Services Entities Bill was introduced on 2 June 2022, and had its first reading on 9 June 2022. It was referred to the Finance and Expenditure Committee. Members of the general public, organisations, iwi, and local government representatives are all encouraged to make a submission on this legislation.

The committee has appointed two subcommittees to hold hearings [15 – 17 August]

It is intended that the bill will be followed by further legislation to complete the full programme of water reforms
https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-involved/topics/all-current-topics/water-services-entities-bill-begins-three-waters-reform/

Then there’s Three Waters, the Government’s plan to amalgamate local water assets into four public entities, which will be represented by regional representative groups consisting of 50 percent local council members and 50 percent iwi.

“We’re very clear that at the moment, our water governance and management is causing New Zealanders to get sick, it’s causing a future water bill for ratepayers that they cannot afford. We’re proposing reform to try and fix those problems,” Ardern said.

“We’re very clear on where it’s being used. I think, unfortunately, some political parties are trying to turn it into something it’s not.”

Ardern, in Parliament, challenged Seymour to explain what was so wrong with co-governance

“Of course I support the longstanding principles of democracy in this nation but the idea that that cannot sit alongside Te Titiri o Waitangi, I take issue with that. We are more sophisticated than that, surely, than to take such a simplistic view,” Ardern said.

“Let’s discuss the issue rather than what I worry about is blatant politicisation.”arrangements.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

■ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022

Public consultation – When?
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August 26, 2022 8:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I hope they do consult. It might wake people up.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Why consult as they may not get the result they want so they will not do it !
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Our Dear PM doesn’t have a clue
  
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/08/25/the-pm-is-an-unambiguous-champion-of-all-kiwis-having-votes-of-equal-weight-not-if-the-treaty-is-tossed-in-to-perplex-her/
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:42am
- Philview
  
  Jacinda’s idea of public consultation will be a propaganda campaign. This will not be a two way conversation. We will hear about the evil of colonisation, 180 years of racist oppression, grim Maori statistics followed by Co-Governance the solution to put things right. There will be no evidential business case offered on how Co-Governance will improve lives for working class Maoris. Personally I want Maoris to get ahead in life and many do. The answer is to follow the template of the many success stories and I bet it has nothing to do with Jacinda’s Marxist ideology.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Sadly, the “template’ for success begins with high levels of achievement at school, supported by functional parents, preferably a married mother and father in a functional, caring relationship.
    
    How many Maori children today attend an excellent school AND get support from functional, intelligent and caring parents? Of course we do not know. But think I could put a case for “not many”.
    
    Of course Jacinda would refude me. She would tell me that all schools are excellent schools. She would also tell me that any shortcomings in Maori parents are a result of insufficient te reo usage and colonisation. The Government will address both those problems, and everything will be well.
    
    Sadly, I think that history will show that Jacinda is dead wrong. If the nation follows her path, all of the social and economic indicators for Maori children and adults will worsen over the next decade. That worsening will be accompanied by bitter social and racial division, with civil war a distinct possibility within 20 years.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:20am
    - Philview
      
      I think rather than civil war a more likely geopolitical scenario will be that the CCP will peal the country apart like the proverbial onion. They will use financial incentives to influence some tribal leaders who will use their Co-Governance influence to block NZ Government decisions that run contrary to CCP ideology. This is happening in other countries so why not here.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:37am
    - Countrygirl
      
      And I am getting heartily sick if so many social media posters bringing up the old argument of their grandparents being “beaten” for speaking Maori. Everything I have read is that it was requested by those elders who could see the way forward was to speak English.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:57am
      - david
        
        The “English” lessons missed the mark somewhere though. Eh bro?
        
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        August 26, 2022 1:53pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yep, and most of that harm is already irreparably baked-in with terrible welfare dependency and non-education of large percentage of poor kids. If you have the means to do so you should be planning to get your family out of NZ while our money is still worth something. The damage has already been done, and the bill is going to come due in next 2 decades.
      
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      August 26, 2022 10:05am
    - Jack5
      
      Ardern’s mad drive for race-based “co-governance” of New Zealand has another casualty coming up: the ACC system.
      
      Twenty people on ACC support are in a trial using Maori medicine, Rongoa Maori, in their treatment for recovery.
      
      The Stuff report says the Maori system includes Ngākau Oho includes online and in-person wānanga on rongoā Māori, including the use of medicinal native plants, romiromi (body alignment), maramataka (relationships to the lunar calendar) meditation and mahi tinana (body movement).
      
      ACC has faults, but other oldies may remember the days when courts were log-jammed with cases sorting out monetary liability for injuries. Perhaps it has been a good idea but ultimately unsustainable.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300668719/auckland-uni-pilots-rongo-programme-to-help-mori-recover-faster-from-injury
      
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      August 26, 2022 12:20pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        See this is what shits me:
        
        “Blocked energy on any level can create imbalance in the body and can lead to disease.
        
        During your Romiromi treatment a physical alignment and removal of blocked energy at a cellular level creates more space and freedom in your body. ”
        
        https://www.wikitoriamaorihealing.co.nz/massage-therapy/what-is-romiromi-massage/
        
        There is no such thing as “blocked energy” in your body. It is voodoo. What a bloody scandal 🙁
        
        Is this “trial” using the scientific method to determine the efficacy of removing “blocked energy” compared to a similar group of patients getting regular therapy?
        
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        August 26, 2022 5:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda will tell us about the public consultation after she has done it behind locked doors. Those who may have a different view will not be invited.
  It happened just last week!
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:36am
Observer of Life

Hmmm, microchipping our children next?
“As part of its Davos 2022 thought-fest, an article appeared on the World Economic Forum site penned by Kathleen Philips, Vice President of R&D for imec and General Manager of its Eindhoven site in the Netherlands, regarding the topic of transhumanism. Included in this article was the casual suggestion that we might one day consider microchipping children ‘for their safety’.”
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/08/ethics-not-technological-limits-will-be-the-guiding-factor-for-an-augmented-age/
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August 26, 2022 8:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Watch the for self aggrandizing cabal of technocrats, political elites and philanthrotyrants to start pushing the digital ID. This will happen via CBDCs as vaccine passes failed this time. Social credit linkages being kept very, very quiet. To start with. And while the world’s useful idiots scream “Conspiracy Theory!”
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  OoL – take your foil hat off. Bloody conspiracy theories…….//
  
  From the article you linked to.
  
  If the idea of a chip in your body makes you cringe, consider all the pharmaceuticals you take without question. The ‘Cradle to Grave’ art installation in the British museum confronts us visually with our pill-popping behaviour. It displays a 13-m long fabric interwoven with 14,000 pills, the estimated average prescribed to a British person in a lifetime. Around 65% of American children and teens with ADHD, meanwhile, are prescribed stimulant medication.
  
  I thought it was great that they highlighted the nightmare situation that the pharmaceutical industrial complex has created. Dependence on drugs for everything in our lives.
  The last few years have been quite revealing, I’m moving rapidly away from everything to do with pharma. The only way I’ll be attending doctor or medical services will be due to severe trauma. Bleeding or broken bones that I can’t treat myself. If I die of something else so be it, but my trust in these organisations is totally gone.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:52am
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, St. John’s Book of the Apocalypse is starting to happen. The Mark of the Beast will follow. Consider the government controlling our money – the chip embedded in the hand etc.
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:47pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  You need electricity for microchipping.
  Europe’s bank cards probably won’t even work this winter.
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:49pm
Suze Wainwright

I see Aussie academics are bemoaning their govt’s decision to open 10 new oil and gas sites.

Maybe Albanese does know how to keep their economy moving, while paying lip service to their own woke, after all. I somehow see Aussie’s own ‘Rights of the Indigenous’ being managed in pretty much the same fashion…
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August 26, 2022 8:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Andrew Little – Labour Party Bully

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/08/25/govt-accused-of-gagging-expert-over-support-of-anti-alcohol-bill/
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August 26, 2022 8:39am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Andrew Little has always been a bully.
  Kieren McNulty is a younger version and also a bully IMO.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:24am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Unusually, I have some sympathy with Little on this occasion. It is not appropriate for a public servant to lobby MPs to support a private member’s Bill from the Green Party.
  
  As for the Bill itself, it is sponsored by Chloe Swarbrick who seems obsessed about alcohol harm but is happy to promote cannabis. Yes alcohol does cause harm. But reducing outlets and shop hours will just inconvenience folk who leave work at 7pm and want to buy a bottle of wine to have with dinner. (Opps Chloe closed the wine shop at 5pm).
  
  You could restrict alcohol sales to between 2pm and 4pm on Tuesday only. Those addicted to alcohol would be lined up at 2pm and they would buy all they needed for the next week.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As a former public Servant, I get Your point (and Little’s point). and a few years back I would have supported it.
    
    But look at how a select group of public servants (albeit – University protected) have thrown themselves into political lobbying over the Covid vaccination and lockdown scene.
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:06am
Maggie Pie

Not sure where Fes went to school, but what he obviously doesn’t understand….. is that everything ‘FREE’ is paid for by someone who works 🙁

https://twitter.com/efesocollins/status/1562646710526296067

SHEESH!!
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August 26, 2022 8:40am
- MCōs
  
  Not necessarily because he’s standing for local government which is funded principally by rates.
  Plenty of people pay rates, but don’t work.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:05am
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s still other people’s money.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Morning Cossie. Actually thinking of you last nite 😀
    We went up to Parnell for dinner.
    My partner was wondering why every Thai Restaurant we go to, has about an 8 page menu displaying an amazing array of food, but they only ever offer ONE Dessert. And it’s always Deep-Fried-Banana-with-Ice Cream.
    
    Why is that do you know?
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:41am
    - Countrygirl
      
      I like the sound of that dessert.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:59am
    - MCōs
      
      Ask the restaurant.
      
      We don’t go to Thai Restaurants in NZ.
      Always disappointing.
      
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      August 26, 2022 10:28am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL!! Have you ever tried asking a Thai waitress anything?
        
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        August 26, 2022 10:39am
  - jgw739
    
    And where do they get money from to pay said rates MCos?
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “A clear area where Council can act to tackle the cost of living crisis & I’m committed to doing so as Mayor.”
  
  The guy is a fool. How will ‘free’ public transport help the ‘cost of living crisis’? All it does is shift the costs between different groups.
  
  A couple of months back, I posted some good research from places that had introduced ‘free’ public transport. The major shift that resulted was people who previously walked or cycled because they could not afford the fares. People in cars did not shift in high numbers. (Which is intuitively correct. I would not use PT in Christchurch if it was free because I can drive anywhere I need to go in a fraction of the time compared to PT, and parking is either free or cheap.)
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Health crisis is unfolding on Andrew Little’s and Jacinda Ardern’s watch.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/national-accuses-government-of-ignoring-bleak-warning-that-aged-care-sector-will-fail-if-staff-shortages-aren-t-addressed.html
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August 26, 2022 8:47am
- Yabster
  
  yep and Little was told about it at least 6 mnths ago- he got very angry when asked about the letter from a former Southland DHB CEO spelling out the crisis.
  
  Angry is lossing it.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/national-accuses-government-of-ignoring-bleak-warning-that-aged-care-sector-will-fail-if-staff-shortages-aren-t-addressed.html
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:03am
Yvette

3 Waters
… regional representative groups consisting of 50 percent local council members and 50 percent iwi.

This has been mentioned before –
Raising Maori 17 percent population portion to 50 percent voting rights is a multiplication of 3.
Lowering non-Maori 83 percent to 50 percent os a multiplication of about 0.6.
0.6 compared to 3 is about 5
So one Maori vote becomes 5 times the value of one non-Maori vote.
Is there a maths mistake in this?

And the kindergarten sand-pit argument for this is that “We were here first’
Not that we were indigenous – which is another sand-pit argument – since out entire history is based on seven immigrant canoes and the Great Migration, which makes us First Nation people, or First Seven Tribes.
And the tyranny of the majority seems not ro come into it Treaty-wise since at the time Maori were about 94 percent of the population compered to non-Maori six.

There is quite a bit to the nation-wide “conversation” – which of course has not yet occurred, but the legislation meanwhile is happening

Unfortunately, All I Really Need To Know I Learned in Kindergarten doesn’t cut it anymore

I should give up on this a bit, as it will verge on Gaurav Sharmanism – repeating something verbatim quickly renders it boring –
just saying – or the point being: not saying
Merde – I can get confused too early some mornings
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August 26, 2022 8:56am
- MiddleclassTrash
  
  It seems NZ natives love a bit of racism.
  I was thinking that we could give them some racism & classism to play with without being these things ourselves.
  What if you made all of the NZ native voting roll first past the post only. If they want 2xMMP votes, they can go on the standard roll.
  And those on the NZ native voting roll, we get to call peasants / serfs!
  
  They get the racism they seem to crave, and a class system, while we don’t.
  
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  August 26, 2022 11:25am
Tony Stuart

RNZ reports:

The Speaker of the House has apologised for issuing a trespass notice to former Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters.

The apology was issued by the Speaker of the House of Representatives; Adrian Rurawhe was elected Speaker yesterday but the original matter involved his predecessor Trevor Mallard.

The apology has been shared the day after Mallard resigned to take up a diplomatic posting in Ireland.

“The Speaker of the House of Representatives has apologised for a trespass notice issued to former Deputy Prime Minister, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. The Speaker has also retracted and apologised for comments which related to Mr Peters in a 4 May press release,” the apology said.

“The Speaker has admitted to the High Court at Wellington that the exercise of power under section 26(2) of the Parliamentary Service Act 2000 to issue Mr Peters a warning under section 4 of the Trespass Act 1980 was unreasonable and irrational.

“He has further admitted to the High Court that issuing the warning was an unjustified limitation on Mr Peters’ right to freedom of movement under section 18 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990, and that Mr Peters had not acted in any way which justified him being issued with the warning.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/473503/speaker-apologises-for-issuing-winston-peters-with-trespass-notice

Initially, RNZ reported that Trevor Mallard had apologised, persumably on his way out the door of the Speaker’s Office. However they had to issue a clarification, which appears at the foot of the story:

Clarification: This story initially stated the apology was issued by Trevor Mallard. This was incorrect and has been amended.

Should we be surprised that Trevor Mallard left the apology to his successor? Let’s not forget that this was the man who left the taxpayer to clean up another legal mess, when he falsely accused as parliamentary staffer of being a rapist. Mallard subsequently stated that he realised his mistake within 24 hours of making the comment, but did nothing to withdraw it, and was sued.

This time it was his long-time adversary Winston Peters doing the suing. And Trevor Mallard showed his lack of class right to the very end, passing the buck to his successor, Rt Hon Adrian Rurawhe.

Little wonder that the former Speaker of the House is one of the most despised figures in New Zealand politics.
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August 26, 2022 9:16am
- Ruawai
  
  Mallard is still employed by parliament and therefore should be asked to give a formal apology to those he trespassed incorrectly himself, not the new speaker.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:41am
- graham
  
  How hard would it have been to take a deep breath, do the right thing for ONCE in his life, and apologise? Just once.
  
  Trevor Mallard has left as the Speaker of the House, and will soon be leaving the country altogether. It’s not as if he has to stick around and take any flak from Winston, or answer any calls from the media asking him any awkward questions.
  
  But no. Mr Mallard continues, right up to the very end of his time in New Zealand politics, to demonstrate a remarkable reluctance to man up and own his mistakes.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:05am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Mallard probably thinks that he got away with it.
    
    In truth, it will travel with him to the grave.
    
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    August 26, 2022 8:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And for months the MSM have been running with stories of how deluded and irrational the February protestors were.
  
  Were journalists really so blind that they failed to recognise Mallard’s irrationality?
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:18am
BeaB

Like all thugs and bullies, Mallard is a coward. He gutlessly left it to the new speaker to apologise to Winston Peters for the ‘irrational’ actions of Mallard himself. When Sharma calmly called him out for ratting on him to the whips, he yelled out ‘liar’ (which the new speaker conveniently didn’t hear – is he deaf too?) and was then heard raging and swearing about it to Labour ministers and others.
Such a diplomat. Off he’ll go with his knighthood, his hefty perks and another cushy job.
Jacinda Ardern should be ashamed of herself.
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August 26, 2022 9:20am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I thought Mallard was awful as the Speaker.
  Now I am firmly convinced that he has been the worst Speaker in our nation’s history.
  I read how he had three security guards carry out a very sick woman who was in the public gallery QUIETLY minding her own business. The old dear was concerned about the “right to life” legislation. She has since died.
  Our country is well rid of that contemptible person, Mallard.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:18am
  - Paulus
    
    No until January – I assume he is on leave until then when he gets the largest Parliamentary Pension of all of them, plus his Stipend as an Ambassador.
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:37pm
- MCōs
  
  There’s more to it than your little tirade, as there always is with anything to do with Mr Winston Peters.
  https://www.politik.co.nz/peters-and-mallard-settle-grudge-sort-of/
  
  Winston Peters reminds me of a story I heard of Spike Milligan in his old age when he begged to be in just one more movie and nobody was interested.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:49am
Maggie Pie

See where JK’s old place in St Stephens Ave is back on the market.
A bit surprised to see it listed on Trade Me. Properties like that normally change hands without the need to be advertised. I think the vendor might have missed the highs of last year….although Tony Alexander was saying first-home buyers are starting to come back into the market..

Interestingly, a friend of my partner is selling his house at auction today. They’ve decided to invite everyone to watch it on YouTube. Happening at 1pm today…..

https://youtu.be/1IWskBBuF9o

We’re rooting for you guys!!
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August 26, 2022 9:24am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I thought JK spilt his property Maggie, which one is on the block?
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They sold the main mansion but did a deal with the Chinese buyer to keep the tennis court area. JK and Lady Bronagh have since built another fab mini mansion on that.
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:59am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      As the wife of a Knight, Bronagh is not titled “Lady Bronagh”. She would only be so titled if she were the daughter of a Duke, Marquess or Earl.
      
      Her correct title is “Bronagh, Lady Key”.
      
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      August 26, 2022 1:47pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        She’s always just been Bronnie to us anyway.
        
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        August 26, 2022 2:25pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Just like the (not) good old days of on-line house auctions during Auckland lockdowns.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:01am
Benedict Yu

“They’ve decided to invite everyone to watch it on YouTube.”

How vacuous.
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August 26, 2022 9:30am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sort of property you might be interested in though Bene.
  Certainly at the lower-end of the market for Remuera.
  CV about 3.5 mill from memory.
  
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  August 26, 2022 9:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No thanks. Last place I would want to live.
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:59am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      That’s good….the place is overrun now 😀
      
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      August 26, 2022 10:10am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Doesn’t Steamboat Willy Jackson live there now?
        
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        August 26, 2022 1:25pm
      - david
        
        Tell us more about Willie’s place of residence. If true about Remmers, that is something that deserves to be more widely appreciated.
        
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        August 26, 2022 3:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Karl du Fresne on the media’s role in the Sharma episode:

My own antennae twitched when the story first broke. Not only did the full weight of the Labour Party machine come crashing down on the hapless Sharma – that’s politics, baby – but the media, almost without exception, obligingly parroted the government narrative from the start. The hit job on the Hamilton West MP was not only instantaneous and overwhelming but gave the impression of having media buy-in. Guilty as charged; done and dusted. It looked to me as if reporters were briefed and primed to go.

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/a-few-thoughts-on-the-sharma-affair
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August 26, 2022 9:32am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep. The media certainly knew the difference between a whistle blower and a rogue.
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:06pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/oriini-kaipara-speaks-out-after-moko-complaint-i-knew-exactly-what-would-come/4SL4IJNXZGMK3NMOE4BNEL6IIY/

The moko isn’t offensive to me, just aesthetically very unappealing.

There’s a certain amount of hypocrisy around it too… she wants to immerse herself in her culture. Yet she is slicing and dicing her culture by embracing some aspects but ignoring the more brutal and misogynist cultural practices.

She has no right to be the judge of her culture just as she expects others to not to judge her moko. Women are not allowed to speak with authority in maori culture, yet here she is, a newsreader speaking to the entire nation. She is a hypocrite to think she can embrace both the moko and news reading!
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August 26, 2022 9:56am
- MiddleclassTrash
  
  I thought NZ natives liked a bit of racism. I mean, if you want a one person, more than one vote for my group type of system, that’s bigotry mate.
  I find it abhorrent myself, being a pale hale male, whose culture has tried to eliminate it.
  
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  August 26, 2022 11:17am
- kowtow
  
  Her choice as a news reader by her employers was/is entirely political.
  
  She’s actually poor in delivery /diction and ordinarily would never have got the job.
  
  That’s what’s offensive , the political foisting of maorism by the media party on the populace .
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:04pm
- BeaB
  
  I find it hard to fathom why modern Mari women want a fake beard. It must have originated in trying to make women look like male warriors.
  But they accept being relegated to the non-speaking seats.
  That’s often a problem arising from male hierarchical, chief-led societies.
  However, each to their own. I don’t know why she gets so indignant. Live your own best life and stop finger-wagging at everyone else.
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:22pm
  - Paulus
    
    Have read before in Hawke’s Bay where a women with the tates on her face frightened the children in a playground – not surprised.
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:39pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Just ugly to me as are all defacements of the human body. Do it if you want but don’t expect me to like it.
  
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  August 26, 2022 2:56pm
Benedict Yu

A leaked text message from the Minister of Justice asking MPs to not direct any correspondence to Ministers, and so avoid the OIA. (Apologies for long link – Tiny URL failed.)

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjlWelepCYTl0MQajQ-nZS6xmyznPMjxa8mFUlAroTkLuftQRL3VhClVKy-F9aKX4FGLQjGQrBkU_E5u9Kpl2WJe5SL9lYuaKEn4DlhAoPajvhBJVMulU3p8iog5QdsZHRpod1nOe_G3CR-VRJ_eQdZj9N_9Qjm_TA6EOrevENNiMxaJxTHnikRN0XM9w/s563/Screen%20Shot%202022-08-25%20at%203.09.59%20pm.png

Hat Tip: Cactus Kate.

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2022/08/let-us-talk-about-them-ram-raids-then.html

As Kate points out, can you imagine the shit storm the media would have let lose if Judith Collins had sent that text message when she was Justice Minister.
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August 26, 2022 9:58am
- alex Masterley
  
  Kate makes good points. Especially about the silence from the profession about the review of the NZLS.
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:07am
- Ghost
  
  That text message was run by nz herald and news hub when Gaurav Released it.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jacinda-ardern-responds-to-gaurav-sharmas-latest-release-of-internal-messages-rules-out-a-by-election/P2PUNG5XP5ZLDSOO4NCOFLC6EY/
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  Isn’t that text the “evidence” the Media Pardy constantly claimed Sharma lacked ?
  
  Why don’t they run this story ( yeah right)
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:21am
  - Ghost
    
    They did run it as soon as he released it
    
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    August 26, 2022 10:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Yer , they ran it , but not as a shit storm .
      
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      August 26, 2022 1:54pm
  - Tricati
    
    That and the ‘secret’ meeting that according to Ardern never happened until she was busted. There’s more stacking up to support Dr Sharma’s claims, so no wonder there’s no independent investigation & Ardern has decreed the saga is over.
    
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    August 26, 2022 4:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And it appears our Min of Justice, Kiri Allan, can only spout Ardernisms when questioned in Parliament about her leaked text.
  
  Hon Paul Goldsmith: How does she think a Government culture that avoids writing things down helps improve public confidence in Government transparency?
  
  Hon KIRITAPU ALLAN: I refute the underlying assumption in that statement, and I think and consider that all members on this side of the House adhere to our obligations under the Official Information Act (OIA) and adhere to the Cabinet Manual.
  (from about 2:40)
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20220825_20220825_28/tab/video?page=4&mode=form
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:38am
- Littletramp
  
  A point about the ram raids not being discussed is that the median age of these kids is 15 years.
  That means by definition, that 50% of the kids doing this are not old enough to have a drivers license! WTF!
  
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  August 26, 2022 10:45am
Paulus

Nothing new- the media are as corrupt as their masters (plus $55 million, and other large funds indirectly).
More money needed as the electioneering has just started.
Cancel all student loans (except those who have struggled to pay their’s off already).
Cowards all.
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August 26, 2022 10:03am
Libertarians are right

A redacted version of the affidavit used to get the warrant against Trump will be released by the end of the month.

It looks like it needs to prove more than just the fact that Trump held Presidential Records.

The Presidential Records Act states that:
(3) the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President’s designated representative.

It does not define any restrictions whatsoever on what that availability means, no timeframe or locations etc at all. His retention of those documents (including classified ones) seems to be legal and his fight with the Archivist seems to be akin to an overdue library book where the term of the borrowing wasn’t actually stated.

There is no definition of illegal holding of records by the President in the PRA.

Therefore, Trump simply holding those records was not justification for the warrant. They would need to have proven a reasonable fear that he was going to destroy those specific documents, pass on classified materials or that he held non-Presidential, Agency documents. Everything else seems to be an administrational issue, not a legal one.
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August 26, 2022 10:29am
- virtualmark
  
  Good try, but 100% “look, a squirrel”.
  
  The significant charge in the Trump search warrant is the Espionage Act. Gathering, transmitting or losing national defence information. Simple charge. Simple to prove. You either have such documents or you don’t. And the search inventory suggests he did have such documents.
  
  I suspect we won’t learn much from the redacted affidavit, because I expect the redactions will be extensive.
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:37pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You don’t get it do you? Did you even read my post?
    
    Under the PRA, Trump has a right to the “Gathering” part. It is explicitly legal in the Act and the Espionage Act doesn’t explicitly override the PRA. His holding that info is not illegal.
    Therefore, they have to prove a reasonable expectation of the transmitting or losing that information.
    
    The PRA is really badly written, literally the only paragraph in it pertaining to the former President’s rights is what I wrote above. There are no restrictions or requirements defined in the Act.
    
    Gathering will still work if he’s got Agency owned info though, just not President info.
    
    So, not as simple as you claim. Simply knowing that he had files is not enough.
    
    And yes, the redacted affidavit will be a joke.
    
    Also, I don’t like Trump but he has a right to be a sleazy dickhead.
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:30pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Good luck running that argument in court …
      
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      August 26, 2022 4:05pm
- virtualmark
  
  My gentle advice to the Kiwiblog MAGA Trumpkins …
  
  I’d be cautious about pushing all my chips into the centre of the table betting on Trump being a persecuted innocent. I suspect the affidavit, even with redactions, will still present some damning information.
  
  I notice that the House and Senate Republicans have gone quiet about the M-A-L search. They know more than we do, and they’re not leaping to Trump’s defence here. That’s a key datapoint.
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:49pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    My gentle advice to the Kiwiblog TDS sufferers …
    
    I’d be cautious about putting all my chips into the centre of the table betting on Trump being guilty of the latest accusations. You’ve already embarrassed yourselves and had to rebuy over Russia and Ukraine. Your betting history is against you.
    
    Of course the redacted affidavit will be “damning”, it’ll literally be redacted to look as bad as possible. Why would they treat Trump fairly?
    
    I don’t care one way or the other if Trump goes down. As long as it’s done fairly, legally and in a way that is consistent with Democracy.
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:41pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘They know more than we do’
    How?
    They don’t.
    You’re going to look stupid again
    So funny
    
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    August 26, 2022 3:06pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Will we see the Trump hating, Epstein loving and Bathhouse Barry donating ‘Magistrate’ (not a Federal appointed Judge) have a type of ‘Buyers Remorse’ over his signing of the warrant? So will his decision be AGAINST major redactions of the affidavit? 😉
    #thebestisyettocome
    
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    August 26, 2022 7:25pm
Maggie Pie

This is very very disturbing 🙁

Vid appears to show a student at school in Scotland, being removed from class because he said….. there are only TWO GENDERS

https://twitter.com/jolenebuntinguk/status/1562397294946820098

Chilling!!
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August 26, 2022 10:37am
- Ghost
  
  There may be only two genders. But watching parliament tv I think there could be more than one species in the house.
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why did that Teacher challenge the School Policy?
  There is the problem – the policy developers are ramming that shit down everyone’s throat.
  There are only TWO Genders full stop!
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:46pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Agreed, there are TWO genders:
    1. With a cock.
    2. Without a cock.
    Anything else is a disease of the head.
    
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    August 26, 2022 1:08pm
    - Ghost
      
      Or with both
      
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      August 26, 2022 2:13pm
- surfing
  
  The teacher seems to have total absence of critical thinking skills, instead bowing down to what the directorate of education has dictated!
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:01pm
- Paulus
  
  Mind you if you lived in Scotland with their mad Nationaist Leader you would want two genders.
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Admittedly it can be confusing in scotland with their pervasive historical transvestitism.
    
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    August 26, 2022 4:45pm
- skyblue
  
  Murray is right. 2 genders only except for the odd XXY here and there. The rest are mental health issues.
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:59pm
patchoo

https://youtube.com/shorts/JdsmGM4QMkw?feature=share

This translator is absolute crackup, thanks for the laughs McGowan!
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August 26, 2022 10:37am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coywXuewMVg
The New Zealand Totalitarian Tyrannical NZ Govt Police State Strikes again!

The New Zealand Totalitarian Tyrannical NZ Govt Police State Strikes again! Kelvin Alp and Hannah Spierer, Counterspin media founders and hosts arrested and all tech was confiscated, Comps and Phones + the tech of Counterspin direction. [5:49]
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August 26, 2022 10:56am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12FKVpS4FbM

Federal Judge Issues Permanent Injunction on Biden’s Pause on New Oil, Natural Gas Leases.

So the party at OPEC H is cancelled. [1:59]
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August 26, 2022 10:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hell’s bell’s Maggie Pie..

eye candy viewing is gonna be banned in OZ.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/08/national-mp-erica-stanford-reacts-to-aussie-nightclub-banning-staring.html

Don’t s’pose it will matter if we can’t stare at Kiwi men…but imagine being banned from staring at these chaps:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0558/8100/7273/products/793618285975_1_0d1d0ccb-755f-4ac5-abc8-fde40b46e6e7_716x856.jpg?v=1657748192
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August 26, 2022 11:00am
- andretti
  
  What most men know.If the woman being stared at likes the man all is ok.This is roughly around 20% of men her age,that is 80% of men her age are invisible to her.To be a part of the 20% you need to be over 6ft handsome and look like you have money.This Club77 policy covers the 80%. of undesirable men.
  
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  August 26, 2022 12:03pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Good to see Erica Stanford say she stared at many a man in bars during our time.
  
  I remember when my mate stared at a hot chick in a bar in the 90’s. She came over and said take a picture it will last longer.
  
  Alas Nokia 3220s didn’t have a camera…….
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:28pm
andretti

BEWARE EURO cars.
Did you know that since 2010 all cars made in Europe by law have to be at least 30% biodegradable!!.
The idiots choose the wiring for this and coat the wires with a biodegradable soy based product.Your nice new car like BMW Audi VW Merc ect are now crap as soon as they come out of warranty.
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August 26, 2022 11:52am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Rodents get into the engine compartment and eat the wires as they like the insulation
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:43pm
  - kowtow
    
    Rodents get into politics and legislate the end of common sense .
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:26pm
  - curry4me
    
    Is that rodent thing still a problem? It was on the Eastern Front in WWII also. Albeit for different reasons.
    
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    August 26, 2022 5:31pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That’s been the case since the 70s.
  
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  August 26, 2022 2:32pm
kowtow

When the thug Mallard presents his credentials to the elfish Irish President it would be nice if said Prez reminded him that; now you’re here please none of that ‘unreasonable and irrational’ behaviour you exhibited at your own parliament , we dont want any diplomatic incidents now , do we boyo?
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August 26, 2022 12:07pm
- Tricati
  
  It will be ok as ‘River of Filth’ Wood has come out and said people are being ‘graceless’ towards Trevor. Birds of a feather me thinks.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/michael-wood-blasts-comments-about-trevor-mallard-as-graceless-but-admits-former-speaker-hasn-t-got-everything-right.html
  
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  August 26, 2022 4:05pm
  - graham
    
    Michael Wood:
    
    “Trevor would be the first person to acknowledge that from time to time he has made errors.”
    
    Err … no, Michael, he hasn’t acknowledged it AT ALL. That’s the problem.
    
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    August 26, 2022 11:10pm
Bobba Fret

Sir Ray Avery moving to Aussie. I don’t blame him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300671648/sir-ray-avery-moving-to-australia-citing-gang-violence-and-child-poverty
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August 26, 2022 12:20pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  IIRC He wanted to put on a fund raising convert at Eden Park for premature baby gear and Helen Clark stopped it because she lived nearby and did not want to be disturbed.
  
  That woman is a piece of work 🙁
  
  This exodus could turn into a flood.
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:35pm
  - MCōs
    
    She didn’t stop it.
    She had no authority to stop it.
    She objected to in her capacity as a citizen living in the neighbourhood.
    Furthermore
    Avery was trying to raise cash for an incubator, which he’d invented that never came to fruition, as far as I can ascertain.
    Could be wrong, but there’s nothing on Google
    
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    August 26, 2022 9:54pm
Jack5

Another twist in the Glasgow soccer rivalry between pro-Catholic, pro-Irish Celtic and pro-Protestant, pro-British Rangers …

Celtic soccer fans are waving Palestinian flags and Ranges fans are waving Israeli flags.

The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports:

Many Celtic fans feel deep solidarity with causes across the Irish Sea and among some, especially the few hundred strong in the vocal Green Brigade fan group, there is a perceived parallel between Irish nationalism and Palestinian liberation. (Pro-Palestinian sentiment is very widespread in broader Irish society and its government.)

Both Celtic and Rangers have had Israeli players, and an Israeli, Liel Abada, remains on the Celtic roster.

https://www.jta.org/2022/08/25/sports/why-scotlands-fiercest-soccer-rivalry-features-israeli-vs-palestinian-flags
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August 26, 2022 12:35pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Sir Ray Avery is giving up on NZ. This should be front page news, but is buried deep in Stuff behind a lot of crap and fluff.

Jacinda, you should be deeply ashamed. I am.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300671648/sir-ray-avery-moving-to-australia-citing-gang-violence-and-child-poverty
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August 26, 2022 12:49pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s third story on their website, not buried
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not when I looked
    
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    August 26, 2022 8:12pm
- Frank the tank
  
  This is part of the plan – Avery was never dependent on the government therefore not a desirable person for “Our Glorious Leader’s” regime.
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:29pm
- Observer of Life
  
  And that article puts the boot in too. Go Stuff //
  “ The LifePod also did not have international standards certification, the investigation showed, and clinical trials of the device, said to be happening in India, could not be independently verified.”.. maybe/maybe not if he’d been able to have a charity concert at Eden Park things might be a bit different? We’ll never know.
  
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  August 26, 2022 2:57pm
- MCōs
  
  Did anything ever come of his Lifepod Incubator?
  
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  August 26, 2022 3:01pm
Maggie Pie

For those who may not have watched the livestream auction…..$7, 105, 000.

Asian buyer.
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August 26, 2022 1:30pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t understand why you celebrate house price inflation as though it is good for the country. It is pathetic.
  
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  August 26, 2022 1:40pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s OK Bene. I can understand why you don’t understand.
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:00pm
  - skyblue
    
    Have you got your CCP hat on?
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:03pm
  - mogg
    
    That’s Maggie at her troll baiting best.
    
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    August 26, 2022 2:44pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    BY – Do not rise to the bait.
    
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    August 26, 2022 3:54pm
    - MCōs
      
      Minorities have been told to ignore casual racism since forever.
      
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      August 26, 2022 9:41pm
Nickc2

Britain has energy problems – big time.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11147209/Liz-Truss-vows-emergency-budget-provide-support-families-Prime-Minister.html
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August 26, 2022 2:05pm
- curry4me
  
  Looks like there might be a wool boom after all. Prices are up. Meanwhile, I guess online orders for beanies, mittens, and thermal underware are increasing too?
  
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  August 26, 2022 5:38pm
dave_c_

I consider myself a supporter for the ‘Fire Service’, and the need for increased government support.
However, they may have been doing themselves a disservice this morning.
Heading north from Lower Hutt, there is a significant roundabout – always busy, which requires utmost attention from a drivers perspective. (Corner of High Street and Fairway Drive)
There must have been 30-40 firemen congregating about the round about (with some actually on it), brandishing billboards, and statements regarding their current plight.
Two things :
-I could not read any of their placards, nor focus on any individual at all.
-Too busy ensuring I could navigate the roundabout without incident,
IMHO, This was not a good look, and could well have negated support they deserve.
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August 26, 2022 2:23pm
Stellaboxer

FBI approached Facebook and told them to censor Hunter Bidens laptop story because it was “ Russian misinformation “ designed to interfere with the election. At the time the FBI had in their possession the laptop and knew it was real. Source Mark Zuckerberg. So all of you types that have ridiculed those who have called the 20 /20 election as interfered with enjoy eating your hats because this is just the beginning of an avalanche of information that rats fleeing the sinking ship will reveal.
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August 26, 2022 2:31pm
- Ghost
  
  I see the two people who stole Ashley Biden’s diary where she talked about Joe having inappropriate showers with her as a child have both plead guilty.
  
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  August 26, 2022 3:24pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Whistleblowers have also stated that FBI higher ups had banned agents from looking into the laptop until after the election (so they held onto it for months, doing nothing with it) because they didn’t want to affect the elections again.
  
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  August 26, 2022 3:55pm
MCōs

Something amusing
https://twitter.com/dailyloud/status/1562811791838654464?s=21&t=a36ovyhwX1JNaFgTJ5-BIA
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August 26, 2022 2:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Excuse me, excuse me, fake news.
  Wonder what the Facebook factcheckers will do?
  
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  August 26, 2022 3:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gee, looks like De Santis has had a gutsful of Fauci.
https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/ron-desantis-blasts-little-elf-fauci-im-sick-of-seeing-him/
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August 26, 2022 2:55pm
- mandk
  
  It would be great if Ron could share his thoughts on Michael Baker.
  
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  August 26, 2022 3:04pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  De Santis followed the science that Fauci wouldn’t as Scott Atlas documented. Fauci is just a media junkie control freak.
  
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  August 26, 2022 3:35pm
Stellaboxer

I need a new conspiracy theory because all the ones I’ve held have been proven true
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August 26, 2022 3:32pm
Ghost

Well this is strange, 3 months after the death of a support worker who had only recently joined them they have decided they need a 3 week closure to deal with it.

This is a charity set up to support people, closing for 3 weeks. Bizarre.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129696315/significant-loss-and-tragedy-rainbow-youth-to-take-21day-hiatus-after-sudden-death-of-staff-member
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August 26, 2022 3:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Can you imagine them during the Blitz?
  
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  August 26, 2022 8:28pm
Fuzzysnuggleduck

The tracking of Ram Raids since Chippe became Police Minister is not that well-maintained on Kiwiblog,
Worth dropping if not able to update it (would have been hard to know the national total anyway).

But 12 Rams raids says Kiwiblog? Really?

129 Since May and over 80 in Auckland alone.
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August 26, 2022 3:52pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Sky News reporting the seizure of more than 1500kg of ICE in Melbourne…. contained inside marble slabs.
Street value of over (wait for it) $1.5 BILLION!!

Even tho the news-clip had the faces of the 3 arrested men slightly obscured, it looked to me like they were all from CHY-NAH!!

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1562941634852974593
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August 26, 2022 4:30pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is ‘China’.
  
  You don’t know where the hell they are from.
  
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  August 26, 2022 6:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Middle East…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-26/record-ice-haul-at-sydney-port-botany/101374568
    
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    August 26, 2022 6:41pm
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  Shipping containers are from UAE
  
  I had a great doctor when I lived in Auckland, he’d been practising in New Zealand since before I was born. Sadly some time after he had passed I saw his wife who was a retired doctor on tv because of the racism from useless pieces of shit leaving messages in her letterbox telling her to go back to china.
  
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