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Scott

Last night on TV news we had very disturbing coverage of a gang of youths smashing and robbing a store in broad daylight and escaping in a car, intimidating a passerby who tried to intervene. We have a level of crime and brazen crime that we have never seen before.

And the media cover it, they cover the crime from a bleeding heart, wringing their hands perspective. The poor shopkeeper, things are very hard for him.

But no one in the media ever gets outraged. As an ordinary citizen I think these sort of crimes are outrageous! I think the Minister of police should be immediately interviewed that night. What you propose to do about this unacceptable brazen criminal activity in the middle of a main street in broad daylight??

But no one ever gets mad. The media stay in their slumber. No one questions the Prime Minister about this.
Indeed the only time that the media get exercised is when Chris Luxon does a social media post “today I am in Te Puke”, when he is away overseas on holiday. How is that even a story?

We appear to be in a dream world. No one questions the government about runaway inflation, the number of people who are not working, outrageous crime rates and giving away the country to Maori interests. If you watch TV news, if you read stuff or news hub, the Prime Minister is never at fault. As we head towards Third World status, no one is holding the Prime Minister to account.
Again our media seem to only get exercised when criticising the All-Black coach.
Given the complete dereliction of duty by our media, we have no debate, Brian Tamaki is exercising a prophetic role organising some protest against this government. And he gets heavily criticised for it. And they prosecute him and send him to jail. But otherwise the public debate is almost non-existent.

We are just in a dream world. We are prisoners in Jacinda’s world.
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August 8, 2022 8:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
  There’s no doubt all those Road Cones are making shopping in Queen Street a far less pleasurable experience as well….
  
  https://twitter.com/PureBloodKiwi/status/1556063075110752257
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:15am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Have you tried a korero with Cannabis Chloe about that?
    
    You’ll need to put in the mahi though
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:20am
    - Prince
      
      Is it just Auckland, or across the motu ?
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:05am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        What the f### is ‘the Motu’?
        
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        August 8, 2022 3:13pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Good point – Cannabis Chloe is rather silent along with off-with-Goff. After this is their hood.
      
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      August 8, 2022 11:16am
  - Inandout
    
    Maggie, I note the stolen vehicle wasn’t an EV.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:52am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      zero to 100 in 5mins… probably the reason why.. hardly dukes of hazard!
      
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      August 8, 2022 1:25pm
  - MCōs
    
    From what I here few people shop in Queen St at the best of times.
    I noticed someone kicked that car and put a dent in the door. The car was stolen and abandoned shortly afterwards. So the poor owner had to find his car and now it’s got a dent in the door.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:13am
    - Ehlana
      
      The bystander possibly thought marking the car by denting the door would make it easier to identify.
      Unfortunately, it likely just created more work in repairing it once the owner got it back.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:46am
    - Opie
      
      Let me guess, you would have been upset if the guy had punched one of the thieves and broken his nose?
      
      By kicking that car, that guy did more to fight crime than the current Government has
      
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      August 8, 2022 11:50am
  - Opie
    
    Is this what they mean when they say applying the principles of te ao Maori?
    
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    August 8, 2022 12:17pm
    - Paulus
      
      Eh – what principles ?
      
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      August 8, 2022 1:18pm
      - Phronesis
        
        It’s yours until someone takes it from you. Then it’s theirs. The stone age wasn’t known for its jurisprudence.
        
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        August 8, 2022 4:41pm
  - Bob
    
    all those Road Cones…..
    also makes it very difficult to execute a swift unobstructed departure from the scene of the crime.
    Witness the flying cone!
    
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    August 8, 2022 2:05pm
  - Scooter
    
    At least they were wearing masks, Jacinduh will be pleased.
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:27pm
- Prince
  
  Absolutely right. Look at the growing outrage about the All Black coach’s lack of results. Why is there not the same media outrage about the lack of positive results from the $86M being borrowed each day in our name. Truancy is rife, shootings, ram raids and ‘incidents’ a daily occurrence, poverty and homelessness growing, inflation rampant, but the Prime Minister is never held responsible for any of it.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Classic distraction.
    
    While they have you talking about a ball game , the real game is changing the constitution while robbing you of your personal wealth and autonomy.
    
    That’s domestically.
    
    Internationally , they ( both red and blue teams) want you to obsess about the Evil Orange Man in White House , but make nicey noises about the authoritarians chucking missiles around in a huffey tantrum just up the road ……..
    
    …….bad for business , bad for comrades, whatever.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Prime Minister? We have a Prime Minister? Where? You’re shitting me. Where is this Prime Minister you speak of?
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:29am
    - Nickc2
      
      Isn’t she on her way to China to remind them how to manage the World when they own it?
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:32am
      - Bob
        
        Her expertise is ‘fawned’ worldwide!
        
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        August 8, 2022 2:07pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She absolutely rejects there is a problem with young long term unemployed, and not having consequences.
      
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      August 8, 2022 11:09am
  - pdm
    
    `…………………. the Prime Minister is never held responsible for any of it.’
    
    The Prime Minister takes responsibility for nothing unless there is a photo opportunity and good news.
    
    Yesterday I put myself through the torture of her interview with Jack Tame a week ago. The most interesting thing I got from it was in the preamble before the actual interview.
    
    The `Invisible’ Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern would only commit herself to two 20 minute segments on Q & A this year – or so Tame said. The clips I saw indicated Tame was hard on her – watching the whole thing that was bullshit.
    
    He was fawning over her like a groupie.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:36am
    - Nickc2
      
      He was fawning over her like a groupie.
      That’s what we taxpayers pay him to do.
      Don’t forget, it’s all managed by Willie Jackson (Min of Maori BS and corruption).
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:43am
- Ross Campbell
  
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  Funny you mention Brian Tamaki as he used to be ridiculed from all angles on KB but lately I have detected a subtle change in the attitude of some posters with more and more positive coverage emerging.
  I can only assume this is because he has jumped on the freedom,anti mandate bandwagon and some people will follow anyone saying things which appeal to their own interests even if previously they rubbished them.
  Funny how things come full circle.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep .
    
    The guy’s a dick ,has lots of folk fooled .
    
    He’sno more interested in freedom than Jax is.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:14am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      What exactly do you think Brian Tamaki is personally gaining by being about the only public figure expressing a strongly dissenting voice? A short stay in prison? Did Paddy Gower or Tova O’Brien tell you he’s a bad man?
      
      I posted the other day that I have previously been indifferent to Tamaki, but look at the facts rather than someone’s opinion about the facts. The guy has courage, character, tenacity, and fortitude, qualities which are totally absent in our so-called opposition. I’d vote for Tamaki any day rather than the spineless opportunists, toadies and quislings who seem to expect a vote just by showing up.
      
      Where are Luxon and Seymour on Covid tyranny? Fuck knows, they are completely missing in action. And moreover, they backed the policies in the first place. If Tamaki is such an “idiot”or worthy of some other such epithet, then these two should seriously examine why a so-called idiot is increasingly gaining public sympathy and respect at their expense for walking the walk and talking the talk, whereas they are seen as complicit. At times like these, to get a measure of a man, you just need to look around and note who is saying and doing what. I don’t see Seymour or Luxon doing anything, other than ensuring they don’t do anything to rock the boat.
      
      Further up the General Debate you post this, seemingly unironically:
      
      “Classic distraction.While they have you talking about a ball game , the real game is changing the constitution while robbing you of your personal wealth and autonomy.”
      
      I think the coordinated program of denouncing and discrediting someone like Tamaki Brian Tamaki and people who agree him (a situation which shows how much they fear a wave of organised public resistance) fits exactly the tactic of “distraction” you yourself note above. By painting Tamaki as a marginal figure, you are effectively “talking about a ball game” while neglecting the really important matters.
      
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      August 8, 2022 12:37pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Just think if Winne and the Bish formed a coalition party for the election. Would blast all the other wannabe right wingers out of the water….
        Probably get more than 10% and be King Makers. The Bish would make sure Winnie didnt go Liarbor again.
        
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        August 8, 2022 6:39pm
      - curry4me
        
        I agree. Not a lot of other church leaders front and center defending democracy. Certainly not the wishy washy Anglican church. Or the Presbyterian one.
        
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        August 8, 2022 8:19pm
      - kowtow
        
        I’m not painting BT as a “marginal figure”.
        
        He’s been pretty qestionable , in many ways for a very very long time.
        
        Just because he’s hit on something that has a constituency with some people ( anti mandate /anti vax ) doesn’t make him a hero, in my book .
        
        In my book he’s still a dick . Blocking roads and fucking up other people’s lives in order to give himself a platform that he would not ordinarily have .
        
        As a “bishop” he should stick to bishoping , in his church , not inconveniencing the general public .
        
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        August 8, 2022 8:57pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      kowtow here’s a very good interview with Tamaki from The Platform:
      
      https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/brian-tamaki-on-his-freedom-protest-and-his-experience-in-jail
      
      I don’t care if he’s a holy roller. He’s “doing God’s work” as they say on Jaspinda and her repugnant and unwanted regime. 😉
      
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      August 8, 2022 1:54pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Is that why you still listen to the proven liar Michael Baker?
    Makes sense.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:04am
    - Simon
      
      “Is that why you still listen to the proven liar Michael Baker?”
      
      Well thats the point. You would expect the government to be accountable and have higher standards than someone like Tamaki. But that isnt the case.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:31am
      - Matt Long
        
        You would, lying socialists?
        
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        August 8, 2022 7:18pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Idiots such as you reduce the incredibly important concepts of freedom of speech and the ability to decide what does or does not get injected into your body as “jumping on a bandwagon”.
    
    You should be ashamed of yourself, but that would require some insight, so…
    
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    August 8, 2022 11:37am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Brian Tamaki is telling his followers to not get vaccinated when it’s widely stated he is vaccinated himself(of course he does not want to say either way) so yes he is jumping on a bandwagon purely for opportunistic reasons.
      Instead of calling me an idiot and telling me I should be ashamed maybe you should be better informed before getting all high and mighty.
      
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      August 8, 2022 12:26pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        “Brian Tamaki is telling his followers to not get vaccinated when it’s widely stated he is vaccinated himself(of course he does not want to say either way)”
        
        Absent any evidence that any of this is in fact the case, let’s assume it is true.
        
        So what? You seem to have a problem with Brian Tamaki telling “his followers” to not get vaccinated (and why would they at this point?), yet you are a big advocate of Jacinda Ardern telling her followers to get vaccinated, probably for the fourth time (and why would they at this point?).
        
        Is your problem the giving advice, or is it your opinion of the person giving advice?
        
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        August 8, 2022 1:11pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        RC you are a mind reader? Tamaki may well be thinking he’s “leading the nation to Jesus” or whatever, but he IS standing up for democracy in a brave way. People of maturity and sound mind notice this. Juvenile lefty zombies don’t have the maturity or life experience to see it.
        
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        August 8, 2022 1:17pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        “Standing up for democracy”.
        Don’t make me laugh.
        Brian Tamaki’s vision of democracy is us all living in a theocratic biblical state where he is supreme ruler and so called freedom and democracy would be a distant memory.
        
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        August 8, 2022 1:54pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Only an idiot would conflate the hypocrisy of someone warning people against doing something he has allegedly himself done, with jumping on a bandwagon.
        
        I understand though, Ross. All those different terms must be confusing to a bear of little brain.
        
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        August 8, 2022 2:08pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        RC you are letting the rotten hatred inside of you cloud your thinking. There will never be a theocracy in NZ and I’ve never heard Tamaki advocate that there should be one. He’s stuck his neck out and I respect him for that. I don’t follow his religion, but hey. Most NZer’s are not fundies. There isn’t the support for a puritanical theocracy so maybe have a cup of tea?
        
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        August 8, 2022 2:18pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        Kind of interesting that you’re so focused on BT. He’s a bit part player in the scheme of things really. KB folk pay him attention I’d say is about proportionate to his profile / importance. You on the other hand have eagerly run down anyone jumping to even the mildest criticism of him – why is that? Perhaps being a Jacinda accolyte comes with such duties?
        
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        August 8, 2022 6:36pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        People change their minds for different reasons, some because they developed a conscience. Like this doctor.
        https://twitter.com/haboczki/status/1556417952420925443?s=20&t=khqwR1-yQL2ay_vzfq2Dqg
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:29pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    RC he was mocked as an American TV-evangelist style holy roller and presumably the “prosperity Christianity” he appeared to embrace. Lately he’s obviously shown himself to be someone standing up for democracy at great personal cost (NZ’s lowlife media and lefty twits hate him most for that!).
    
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    August 8, 2022 12:24pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      The rule of thumb established over the last couple of years is that if you are being shat on by the media, then you are on the right track. Given the media has lost all credibility, anyone they endorse doesn’t have any either. A media hate campaign should be a badge or honour for the target. I laugh when KBers rightly wet their pants over how the media are so uncritical of Ardern, yet they will often agree with the same media when they are critical of Tamaki et al.
      
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      August 8, 2022 1:17pm
- NK
  
  100% Scott. I’m 52, followed closely current affairs, public policy and politics for 25+ years. IMHO, New Zealand is in the worst state it has ever been in. Nothing positive to take out of things ATM. By far and away the worst government in living memory. The worst 4th estate, and I think we are seeing the decline of civil institutions.
  
  I’m very pessimistic on this country right now, yet I’m a glass-half-full person.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:24am
  - Clownworld
    
    I hear you similar age , left NZ seeking greener pastures. Escape from NZ may become a common theme soon.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Like California.
      
      https://dailysceptic.org/2022/08/07/california-is-now-a-woke-basket-case-whose-rich-and-poor-are-fleeing-alike/
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:07am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        California’s demise into a failed state is simply because of diversity. On an empirical basis, California destroys the assumptions of diversity ideology. If you want to know the outcome of diversity policies, look at California, which in about 50 years has gone from a white picket fence idyll, to a third world dystopia. Whites are a minority in LA, and you get what you get.
        
        The Californian population itself is now or is fast approaching majority non-White, and the state is also thus increasingly administered by non-Whites. The issue cannot simply be “democrat policies” in the abstract, the issue is the consequences of applying those policies.
        
        For instance, as a control group, Maine or Vermont are paradigm a “woke liberal” Democrat strongholds, but because they are not ethnically diverse (i.e. they are both more than 90% White, the least diverse states in the union), they have none of the problems that are natural consequences of their politics. Hypocrites? Certainly. But because they are hypocrites and don’t live by their own tenets, they live in safe, clean and orderly states.
        
        https://www.roadsnacks.net/whitest-states-in-america/
        
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        August 8, 2022 1:01pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Umm, I believe Albanese wants to take advice from Jacinda on indigenous matters…
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:07am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep the Albo trainwreck is just leaving the station. Stand by, and stand well clear.
        
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        August 8, 2022 12:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The glass is refillable. Toss out the old shit and put fresh stuff in.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:32am
  - fredonas
    
    There’s an old saying in politics: “Politicians are like [nappies]. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.” – Anon 🙂
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:53am
  - Simon
    
    NZ can be turned around with regime change which is an ACT government.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:33am
    - Sideoiler
      
      NZ can be turned around with regime change which is an ACT government.
      
      Fairly sure we are not going to see an ACT government, we certainly need to ensure that ACT forms part of the next government.
      ACT seems to be the only party that has grasped the fact that the status quo can no longer remain and fundamental change is required.
      
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      August 8, 2022 12:49pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      There really need to be strong safeguards installed so that undemocratic creeps like the current lot can’t just do what they like (let alone do complete U-turns on what they promised pre-election).
      
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      August 8, 2022 1:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    This govt is working hard to shrink the glass.
    
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    August 8, 2022 12:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    NK
    I am 83 and I totally agree with you.
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:20pm
- Yvette
  
  • National should set up a website on which they put their view of selected news items and for some demands for comment just explain it is on our website.
  If it was handled properly it could become a controversial alternative which could get a following they want.
  If current media so not give unbiased coverage, set up your own with a small team.
  One question is : Are they smart enough to do it?
  
  • Crime wave, particularly among younger people – how much is it currently a result of lockdowns, ‘isolation’, ‘detachment’ and truancy, and the lack of outraged reaction also a factor of similar pandemic response?
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Crime wave is due to a very public and pervasive “lack of consequences”.
    
    The only people now held to account are tax payers .
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:16am
    - Simon
      
      “The only people now held to account are tax payers”
      
      100% and the government shits on the lawful through regulation, guilt trips about race & living standards, over taxation. Its constant pressure by the state on the productive and lawful.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:36am
  - Flossie
    
    But National do say that it’s on the website. Those criticising the loudest probably just read the headlines, never mind bothering to check out a website.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:35am
    - Yvette
      
      Flossie
      I do mean an actual new news website – similar to this Kiwiblog, or Newsroom – an alternate news website, controversial enough to gain some traction
      
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      August 8, 2022 12:28pm
  - rouppe
    
    Set up a website taking comments and it will be infested with trolls before the first hour
    
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    August 8, 2022 12:37pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Excellent post. I’m at a loss to understand how our values are now so disposable and up for sale. Social mores that have been in place in NZ my whole life have been wiped away in the space of a few years. People who complain about street violence or the erosion of democracy are branded “Karens” and “racists”. The one I scratch my head perhaps the most at is on the one hand the war on men on behalf of women but then on the other the denial that “women” even exist. In many cases the same people argue both positions. The conplete lack of internal logic across their narratives leads me to believe that these people think only a complete deconstruction of the social order and the things it is constructed around will do.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:39am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    “The complete lack of internal logic across their narratives leads me to believe that these people think only a complete deconstruction of the social order and the things it is constructed around will do.”
    
    It isn’t internally consistent, but then again, it’s not supposed to be internally consistent. Internal consistency is required to build, far less so to destroy. Just keep hammering away at the foundations and it will eventually fall over.
    
    Confusion is a feature, not a bug. The aim is to disorientate and for society to become rudderless and foundationless. All in the name of “progress.” They’ll tell us “Those bigots back in the day were simply doing it all wrong for a thousand years or more, not because it worked but because they didn’t have the enlightenment we now enjoy.” What was once an elaborate cathedral will be reduced to rubble, but there will of course be people who seek to rule that rubble.
    
    Everything that is being done (and I’m talking the social program that really took off in the 60s, but probably actually dates right back to about the French Revolution, an event that plausibly marks the transition to Modernism) has been done to destroy an existing and time-tested social structure. This is why thinking that simply electing ACT or National will have any noticeable effect, for the fundamental reason that the people in these parties are adherents to and steeped in the destructive ideologies whose logical conclusions we are living with today.
    
    We all know the saying “Weak men make hard times etc”. Well, these and the coming period are the hard times that have been passed to us by our weak antecedents. The weakest of all want us to vote for them next year.
    
    What could broadly be designated as Traditionalism worked because it was right and acknowledged a natural order, whereas its replacement, Modernism, doesn’t work because it is wrong and rejects a natural order.
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:50pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      Well said and I agree. I just do wonder still, perhaps because I’m just wired differently. But when they’ve torn everything of worth down will they consider themselves better off?
      
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      August 8, 2022 6:38pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Spot on, Scott.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:43am
- nathie
  
  Stand-by for more media beatups against National later. Hosking stated there would be a TV1 poll tonight, perfect timing for Labour as they and the MSM ran coordinated beatups against National during the last 2-3 weeks which no doubt is the polling period (also when Dear PM was partially overseas receiving positive MSM coverage) and no doubt any positive coverage for National at its conference over the weekend won’t be included in the polling period!
  
  As you say Welcome to Jacinda’s world, the MSM are still in luv with it!
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have already released part of the poll, people thinking the country and is economy will get worse has stayed the same as the previous poll, I wonder if that points to the poll being similar to the last one news poll. Note, no leaked internal Labour polls
    
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    August 8, 2022 11:14am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I confidently predict the poll will indicate a change of government if the election were today.
    
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    August 8, 2022 11:40am
- krazykiwi
  
  I agree with you, Scott. Fully 100%. Our mainstream media have become the propaganda ministry. Listen up Luxon: time to cast these desperately sad vestiges of what was once intelligent journalism to the market dogs.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have been saying that the rotten attacks on Luxon have been orchestrated, what annoys me that supposedly intelligent people commenting on here have been taking the media bait
    
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    August 8, 2022 11:15am
    - leoj
      
      That is pure poppycock G.
      Those of us who criticise Luxon are doing so because we believe he is weak and slow, nothing whatsoever to do with agreeing with or being influenced by a hard-left media.
      We simply want bold leadership and in Luxon we are not seeing it.
      
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      August 8, 2022 12:46pm
    - Bob
      
      G 4 G Dunedian……
      supposedly intelligent people…..
      perhaps these supposedly inte;;igent people are really not that very intelligent. Remember that we have been ‘dumbing down’ education since the mid 1980’s.
      
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      August 8, 2022 2:11pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Last night on TV news we had very disturbing coverage of a gang of youths smashing and robbing a store in broad daylight and escaping in a car, intimidating a passerby who tried to intervene. We have a level of crime and brazen crime that we have never seen before.
  
  There is cause and there is effect.
  The above is an effect. If the media covered the main contributing cause as veraciously as they cover the effect, then things would change.
  
  The cause(s)?
  
  [1] Socialist policies that are “kind” rather than firm.
  
  [2] Spending billions telling poor, young, and /or early settlers that their problems were created bu colonisation.
  
  [3] Heavy heavy social welfare policies that bring with them a total lack of accountability.
  
  [4] Breaking up family units with lockdowns and “stay at home you have a sniffle” and engendering feelings that going to school is optional.
  
  [5] Sabotaging the education system by blowing woke sunshine up the collective derriere of early settlers and pouring disdain on those that show signs of intelligent or critical thinking.
  
  New Zealand has a sickness, and that sickness is woke divide and conquer socialism on the way to 1984 totalitarianism. Actually we are already there. The sickness needs to be expelled if the body is to survive and repair itself.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:32am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Early settlers??? You mean the descendants of early settlers?
    
    Don’t fall for dividing people by their heritage. That’s what the far left lunatics are up to.
    
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    August 8, 2022 12:28pm
  - Bob
    
    This comment should have upticks in the hundreds by now; IT SUMMARISES EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG IN NZ.
    
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    August 8, 2022 2:18pm
- surfing
  
  “Auckland crime: Six retail stores targeted by thieves, Jacinda Ardern says offending ‘atrocious'”
  
  Ardern is aiding and abetting crime. She is releasing crims from prison, letting the 501’s run amok as soon as they step off the plane, and allowing young children to quit school.
  
  Then she whines about national trying to get people to work!!!
  
  It is her comments that are atrocious.
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:05am
- Bloody Dago
  
  I am not sure KB’s read BFD as well, but this piece by Muriel Newman is a WakeTFU if I ever read one:
  “Please don’t anyone say we never saw that coming. You are being sold a bloody bridge that has never existed, at least “The Bridge To Nowhere” did exist, it was built over a tributary of the Wanganui River in the National park that carries that river’s name to service a soldier resettlement scheme following WW1 that failed and has been reabsorbed by the jungle west of Raetihi. Take a hike there someday as that is all that will remain of New Zealand as you knew it before Peters sold out to a chairperson of World Socialist Youth and graduate of Klaus Schwab’s Davos based Great World Reset, only four years ago.
  This is a bloodless, so far, coup, that is handing our fragile democracy back to the stone age tribal people who craved security from Queen Victoria and her UK Government in 1840 to end the slaughter and cannibalism they endured from stronger tribes. but now having absorbed the power of the people from nearly two centuries of westminster democratic norms are intent on retaking government back to be held by a 17% minority who cling to tribalism for their governance and apply it to the 87% who are being delivered by That Woman, as a disempowered source of wealth creation.
  Today Canterbury awakes to another step with two seats on its Regional Council handed to Ngai Tahu in perpetuity by legislation passed last night through stage three in your house of representatives, Does that make you feel more or less represented, Voters identified and included in the Ngai Tahu stable now have two Maori elites, chosen, not elected, by Ngai Tahu to sit and vote on Regional Council deliberations. Giving every Person claiming Ngai Tahu allegiance, a greater franchise that that endowed on non Maori citizens.
  There were land wars fought to embed the Treaty when it was an instrument to transfer sovereignty for the natives to the UK Crown before the utter rubbish and malfeasance of Partnership reinterpretation set the match to the fuse that is still slow burning but will eventually explode and change our nation for ever. Those battles often resulted from confusion over deals done by certain Maori Elites and subsequently, for any range of reasons were repudiated by other Elites who discovered they might have been sold short.
  Read it and weep, bend over and take it. Alternatively get ready for a battle as that is what will be needed to stop this coup from its aims.”
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:55am
  - Bob
    
    Another comment that is weLl short on UPTICKS!
    
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    August 8, 2022 2:20pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Scott bro – Labour’s support keeps on increasing every poll. Watch tonight’s One news poll to confirm what I am saying. So why would they bother to do anything. Unless the sheeple wake up and protest with their votes, Cindy will simply glide along.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:22am
- Southern Raider
  
  Last week the Auckland Area Commander tried to claim there was only about 12 ram raid incidents in Auckland since May.
  
  Shit you would be lucky if was only 12 per suburb since May. Last week had at least two substantial ones in my area and it’s continuous.
  
  You would be lucky to find a dairy, liquor store or jewellery shop anywhere in Auckland who hasn’t been attacked at least once this year. So many have been attacked multiple times they don’t even bother repairing windows and doors anymore, they just keep the emergency plywood up instead.
  
  Hell even a neighbourhood cafe was ram raised in St Heliers last week
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:42am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Southern Raider what you are describing sounds like some third world shit hole. Oh wait!!
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:45pm
Tomtoddy

All the after match focus is on the All Blacks’ coach and players and so it should be. They are simply too erratic, disjointed, dispirited and aimless to be a team in good leadership hands.

But there is an even bigger problem. It’s the modern game, its rules and their interpretation. What has happened to our beautiful game? Where is the free flowing, exciting running, the ‘front-of-the-seat’ excitement? The test was a start/stop affair and more stop than start. Too many so-called misdemeanours, too many long rambling strolling into position, too much fuss and niggle at scrum time, too much referee whistle, too many decisions that could go one way or the other.

The Mbombela test was as interesting as watching grass grow. Of the 120 mins or so the players were on the field about a third was playing time. The rest was waiting around for the players and the referees to get organised. Something needs to change. I have never been a league fan but it provides a better flow of action and excitement. Time for a rule change or two. There needs to be more separation between teams at the set piece. When a referee says “use it” he should mean it. There has to be more consistency at the breakdown. Strolling to lineouts needs to stop. That would improve things a little.

The All Blacks lost on Sunday morning and deserved to. So did rugby.
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August 8, 2022 8:03am
- Prince
  
  Refereeing lottery and ‘water breaks’ are killing the game.
  Quite simply All Blacks are trying to run the ball against an effective rush defence. Springboks kick all the time, accurately with good follow up.
  Effective, and boring. I am fast becoming a league convert. A much faster game without the suspicion that the ref has a result in mind from the start.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:29am
  - pdm
    
    Actually Prince I thought Gardner was the best ref the AB’s have had this year. He seems to have a good feel for the game and the only thing he could have improved on (that I saw) was getting the Boks to lineouts and scrums quicker.
    
    His decisions were clear and concise and he did not allow the TMO to dictate the decision making.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:59am
    - amospicton
      
      Agree pdm – it’s the rules that are at fault. The game is in serious trouble I think – it’s never been as hard to watch as it is now. Becoming an indecipherable lottery. On a related issue wouldn’t it be nice if the NZ media held the PM to account as they do the coach of the ABs? Too much to ask? One’s more important that the other I guess.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:32am
      - James Stephenson
        
        I agree, the Laws have been buggered about with far too much. IMO, it’s all been going wrong since they stopped the team going forward retaining possession and incentivised the defence to kill the ball. Before that, as a defending team, you had to commit numbers to the breakdown to try to stop the momentum of the attacker and then lead to much more space out wide.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:37am
  - trout
    
    There has been a massive change in how rugby tests play out since the introduction of interchange opportunities. In times past fitness and endurance were important and games opened up as fatigue set in. The All Blacks used to run the bull-like Bok forwards into the ground – not now. The heavy artillery were ‘gassed’ halfway through the game on saturday; fresh replacements were brought on to resume the battle. The All Blacks have concentrated their preparation on fitness and speed and they can, individually see out 90 minutes, but this is no match for the ability of their opponents to rebuild the team during the games.
    Interchange opportunities have also enabled a change in body conditioning. Both Ireland and the Boks have developed power forwards with limited stamina; much like grid iron players.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:10am
- fernglas
  
  You forget the days when a good high-scoring natch was 6-3 and the wings had hypothermia from standing around and waiting for the ball to get past the first-five.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:38am
  - Prince
    
    Yes but back then the field was a sea of mud and the ball a sodden cake of soap. The first-five would be calf-deep in it.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:15am
  - Alwynn
    
    Oh the happy days when we had Don Clarke at fullback and Rugby was a 10 man game.
    From a scrum or lineout the ball would be passed back from the halfback to the fullback who would slam it down field and out (on the full) as far down as he could kick it.
    Then have a new lineout and repeat.
    No need for anyone from 1st five to centre and the wings were only there to put the ball into the lineout.
    On the 1960 New Zealand tour of South Afrca there were 4 tests. SA scored a total 35 points and New Zealand a total of 25. That would be a fairly normal number in a single game today.
    
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    August 8, 2022 6:16pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes.
  Watched the Tasman/Southland game last evening.
  Different altogether. Much more interesting and entertaining.
  But, as my co-watcher said, that is not what test rugby is about. Test rugby is about bash and crash.
  Re Sam Cane: he might be a nice bloke, but to make a difference in the world of bash and crash, you either have to be the most outstanding player in your position, or, you have to be the most outstanding leader in your team.
  Will leave it there.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:39am
  - MCōs
    
    I noticed Ardie Savea was getting in the ear of the ref more than Sam Cane after the vicious tackle on Beuden Barrett.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:34am
    - pdm
      
      I think he was `ticked off’ by Gardner for it too.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:38am
      - MCōs
        
        Maybe he was, but an AB captain needs to put doubt in the ref’s mind.
        The particular tactics the South Africans used is always marginal and that winger could have been yellow carded earlier in the game.
        Well, no body will have to worry about him for awhile.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:49am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @MCos – you’re spot on there. Sean Fitzpatrick was the best early exponent of this but he had a bit of an edge which meant the refs were sometimes inclined not to give his suggestions and questions full credence.
        
        Richie McCaw was an absolute genius at creating and maintaining a good relationship with the referee and it paid off many many times. They also knew he was highly intelligent and knew the rules as well as they did – I can’t help the feeling that if McCaw was still skipper in 2017 when the referee allowed himself to be convinced to overturn a blatant (albeit unfortunate) off-side play by the Lions in the dying seconds of the deciding test, the result would have been a (correct) penalty to the ABs rather than a scrum. Sam Cane is too passive.
        
        Side note: when Fitzpatrick retired, he was presented with a sterling silver whistle by all the international referees, for being “the best referee in the game”. On one side of the whistle was inscribed “shut up” and the other “get back onside” or something similar.
        
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        August 8, 2022 12:07pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Ardie for Capt, Sam for the scrapheap.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yesterday I commented about ‘Bring Back Buck’ with a tribute video after that. Current All Blacks should have a watch. Watch how to roll and spin out of tackles. It usually took two men to bring him down. Watch how to set up a try.
  Today the All Blacks are self centered try hard heros.
  Explains why I gave up serious TV viewing years ago. Lost interest.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:41am
- leoj
  
  Look at the AB’s record since we got a Labour Govt.
  
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  August 8, 2022 12:50pm
- Bob
  
  Strolling to lineouts needs to stop, so should wasting time with team on field conferences to determine the next tactic, – immediate retreat 10 meters back toward the offending goal line and reversal of ball ownership; drawing out the placing of the ball for a penalty/conversion kick – cancel the kicking opportunity.
  One TEST with these conditions and there would be an immediate return to flowing RUGBY, instead of the present persistent THUGBY approach to the game.
  
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  August 8, 2022 2:25pm
Jim

UK based GB News reports on a study that finds 40.2% of women experienced menstruation changes as a side effect of covid vaccines.

Should healthy young women, who were mandated to receive the jab, now be concerned?

https://youtu.be/NQrFhzpQxE0
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August 8, 2022 8:07am
- kevn
  
  @Jim… Isn’t it odd the Pfizer ‘trials’ didn’t pick this common problem up as an undesirable side effect. Maybe the fact the whole process was sped up and some phases skipped is an answer?
  Mongrels.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:25am
  - NK
    
    Safe and effective.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:32am
    - glowworm
      
      These people dislike our kind and caring, empathetic, Prime Minister even more than my filthy self…
      
      …that takes some doing…
      
      https://youtu.be/EPDDgi7oKNI
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I skipped through this. For these people, especially the Woman, Jaspinda is a swear word. These Women are suffering, yet they have no comeback. They can’t legally charge or sue. Anything to do with vaccine side effects is locked off. Jaspinda is not listening. Her goose is cooked. Bye, have a good day.
        
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        August 8, 2022 9:57am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That needs widely shared. Cheers for the link. It needs to go viral.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:10am
      - glowworm
        
        Most of the comments seem to be from Australia which makes me suspicious that this is getting blocked here in NZ.
        
        Use a VPN people. I’m in the US today …
        
        I wish the lady at 26:31 and 33:05 was my Aunty… Love her.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Cheers. I will dump it on Facebook. It will definitely be shared
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Can someone please explain what the first Woman is affected with?
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:56am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The first lady has been vax injured. Her hands shake wildly, there is a man later on in the video who appears to have the same condition, though much more severe than the first lady.
        
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        August 8, 2022 12:12pm
      - glowworm
        
        I think the first woman had a very bad adverse event which must have affected her central nervous system somehow…
        
        These people are also very, very angry…
        
        https://twitter.com/4th_System/status/1555693134641672194
        
        https://twitter.com/rotor_motor13b/status/1555903993037086723
        
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        August 8, 2022 12:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, well I put it on my Facebook – now it has gone, disappeared. No comment as to why.
        So I put it up again
        
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        August 8, 2022 2:22pm
  - kowtow
    
    I hope they trialled it for the effects on menstruation in trans “women”.
    
    To be inclusive , you see.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Read some of these articles. Link at the bottom.
    
    “Deaths After Vaccination in Pfizer Trial Not Fully Investigated, New Documents Reveal”
    
    “Covid Vaccines More Likely to Put You in Hospital Than Keep You Out, BMJ Editor’s Analysis of Pfizer and Moderna Trial Data Finds”
    
    “Re-evaluation of Pfizer Trial Data Shows Zero Efficacy, Say Experts”
    
    “Why the FDA Should Not Have Approved the Pfizer Covid Vaccine for Infants”
    
    Many others with the same theme. This thing was never tested properly and it was unleashed on the public with the knowledge that it was neither “safe” nor “effective”.
    
    https://dailysceptic.org/?s=Pfizer
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:37am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Rand plans on subpoena Fucci’s records.
      https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-health-pandemics-infectious-diseases-a78e1d3d7e3309b78929e9034065fabd
      And,
      https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/03/anthony-fauci-gain-of-function-research-wuhan-covid-coronavirus/
      So if found to be complicit in funding Gain of Function and by default the Release of Covid Virus from Wuhan ,
      What would be the outcome ?
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:52am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It needs to be appropriate.
        
        If proven, I can’t think of any greater crime against humanity. Someone who is prepared to help fund this sort of research with full knowledge of the inherent, horrific potential risks is a monster.
        Those who permitted it to be used in NZ are just as complicit.
        This has been a nightmare and it is still going on, Ardern and co are still driving insane vaccinations for a product that isn’t even designed for the latest variants. Pressuring kids to wear masks is an abomination.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:16am
  - Phronesis
    
    Traditionally early clinical trials are not conducted in women of child bearing age to avoid the issue of the trial drug having some effect on the baby should they get pregnant.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:54am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yet NZ clearly promoted the vaccine as safe for pregnant women. This despite Pfizer’s own data, available on the Medsafe website, clearly states:
      
      “Missing information – Use in pregnancy and while breast feeding”
      
      https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
      
      There are many other identified risks and other missing information in that document. Read it and be astounded.
      How could they promote this onto these groups when they clearly had the information in front of them that should have ensured the vaccine was rejected instantly? How could Medsafe lie and say this thing was “safe and effective”?
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:22am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Even a 74 year old friend tells me she’s having post menopausal hot flashes again after two vaccinations.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    info – the fact this jab was actively pushed onto pregnant women is horrific. Anyone daring suggest issues around menstruation or other female reproductive issues was deplatformed instantly. Now we know we were lied to by those who are meant to check these things for us. They failed badly.
    
    “The significant and dramatic changes in menstrual patterns occurring after COVID-19 vaccines should not be marginalized. It is indicative of major adverse effects on women of reproductive age. The stakeholders claimed that the vaccine would remain at the injection site in the deltoid muscle. This was misinformation.”
    
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/doctors-blast-faucis-admission-that-covid-vaccines-induce-menstrual-irregularities_4628227.html?
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:33am
- Ross Campbell
  
  40% is nothing.
  I have no doubt if you took the same survey among Kiwibloggers the figure would be closer to 90%.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ross – bring something of substance to the discussion. Your opinion is irrelevant unless you support it with something resembling evidence.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:24am
    - Opie
      
      Don’t engage with him. He is the sort of guy that is happy for fit young people to die to make people like him feel safe enough to go to the shops.
      
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      August 8, 2022 12:11pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Jimmy boy – neh…the young women of this country are worried only about what Te Reo Luxon would do after the US verdict on abortion.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:24am
Maggie Pie

Close to home 🙁
12 year old girl collapses and dies during school sports.
Becoming all to common…..scroll down link.

https://twitter.com/sharnzer/status/1556238650513375232
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August 8, 2022 8:08am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Back in the day when I was at secondary school we had three students die in unexplained circumstances at various times at my school.
  The stranger thing though was the Pfizer vaccine was not even around back then so how could this have possibly happened?.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Do you really mean “unexplained”?Any young person who dies unexpectedly is subject to a post mortem. It is rare for the cause of death to remain unexplained.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:51am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Meaning at the time they died it was not obvious what the cause was but obviously afterwards a post mortem was done but teenagers being what they are had moved on to other things and the actual cause was no longer news.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:10am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I am not in the camp of blaming every sudden death in teenagers on the COVID vaccine. As I posted in GD yesterday, unexpected cardiac deaths in teens in OECD countries runs somewhere between 6 and 10 per 100,000. (I posted a citation.) That rate has been stable for many years.
        
        If that rate rises over the next 12 – 24 months, it will be alarming. At the very least there is already good data that shows a rise in myocarditis and pericarditis in teenage and young men, shortly following the vaccine.
        
        https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
        
        So, while it is not helpful to blame every death in a young person on the COVID vaccine, neither is it helpful to say, as you are doing, ‘young people have always died.’
        
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        August 8, 2022 9:54am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        “At the very least there is already good data that shows a rise in myocarditis and pericarditis in teenage and young man”.
        But is this not exactly what you would expect given it was declared early on as a potential side effect of the vaccine?.
        Does not seem at all strange to me.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I don’t know anyone who blames every “sudden” death on the vaccine. The problem is the complete lack of transparency and the deliberate censorship of information and evidence that doesn’t align with Ardern’s “single source of truth”.
        Of course it means people will look at every unexplained death with suspicion. As has been noted by many, this lack of transparency is destroying trust in once highly respected.
        
        There is clear evidence of increases in heart issues, clear evidence of major problems with menstruation in women, clear evidence of increases in all cause mortality around the world, clear evidence of massive increases in adverse effects after vaccination. This is all beyond dispute now. Anyone still dribbling that “correlation is not causation” is being willfully blind and obtuse.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:32am
      - Simon
        
        There has been no accountability and government just rolls on like 2021 and the jaxx mandates didnt happen.
        
        Cindy said if you get vaxxed you cant get sick or die from covid. If you questioned this you were accused of being a racist.
        
        Cindy government announced they had given up the elimination strategy. As if they had any choice in the matter.
        
        The death count modeling, the MSM promotion of the jaxxs. The podium of truth. No political opposition (parliament) to any of this.
        
        There isnt the trust. They cant be trusted.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:48am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Meaning “I made up this egregious BS, and would prefer you didn’t ask obvious but awkward questions. Moving on…”
        
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        August 8, 2022 12:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We also had a very similar situation just around the corner from us last year…..the mysterious death of Pauline Polkinghorne also remains ‘unexplained’.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:55am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Maggie,
      
      Indeed, Pauline’s death was “mysterious”. According to all reports it had nothing at all to do with being jabbed hours earlier.
      
      There have also been a few “unexplained” deaths of people who dropped dead during the rest period in vaccine clinics in NZ, just minutes after the jab.
      
      The reason you have to stay in the vaccine clinic for a few minutes after the jab is just in case there are “side effects”. But since “sudden unexplained death” is not listed in Pfizers list of side effects, the deaths were “purely co-incidental”.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Stunning. I must have been amazingly lucky, same with my kids and grandkids. Other than one poor kid who was killed in a car crash and one who sadly got cancer and died we have never heard of a 12 year old dying “suddenly”.
    “Died suddenly” has become a bit of an epidemic in the last 18 months hasn’t it……
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:04am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Died suddenly has always happened even in children.
      Year on year statistics don’t support your anecdotal premise that it has become an epidemic in the last 18 months unfortunately.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:16am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ross – it’s a bit tough to do “year on year statistics” when we’ve only been jabbing for 18 months. What is clear is there are disturbing trends starting to occur. It seems to point to the same thing. The evidence is emerging, as it always would. You will get the statistics you need eventually.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:36am
      - Bloody Dago
        
        I’m reckon it could partly be MSM stoking the Wuflu fear mechanism now that their pet virus is past its use by date. However, the 20-40 age group better get in contact with their own biofeedback more as they still think that they are a wee bit bulletproof in the group.
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:07am
    - Hebe123
      
      Of all the kids I went to school with (school of 1200 in a large town) one died of cancer while I was at school and one of a brain aneurysm aged 26. No sudden unexplained deaths at all. Very strange.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Anecdotes are not very helpful. There has been good data on New Zealand mortality rates by age since forever.
        
        For the 10-14 age group the death rate has been stable at 0.1/1,000 since 2010. That data includes partial data for 2021. For the 14-25 age group, rates have declined slightly since 2010.
        
        It will be important to watch those death rates when the full 2021 and 2022 data becomes available. If the death rates for 2022 remain unchanged from the decade trend, it will be difficult to sustain the case that the COVID vaccine is killing young people.
        
        https://www.stats.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Births-and-deaths/Births-and-deaths-Year-ended-December-2021/Download-data/births-and-deaths-year-ended-december-2021.xlsx
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:19am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Benedict: thank you for doing the research that others could easily have done, including me.
        
        At those rates, the bullshitter “Ross Campbell” must have gone to school in Flint, Michigan or one of those schools that got shot up, if his complete BS claim that “three students died from unexplained causes at his school”.
        
        Allowing for the average high school roll to be around 1,000 that means his school must have been terribly unlucky to have a death rate 30 times the long-standing average, and for each of those deaths to have been unexplained. Or perhaps it’s just bullshit that he made up.
        
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        August 8, 2022 1:30pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Unfortunately Lodden your maths is lacking as secondary school in NZ is 5 years and 3 deaths over this period does not equal 30x the average but hey let’s not let pesky details get in the way of a good rant.
        Also I went to one of the bigger secondary schools in NZ where the role was well over 1000.
        Ultimately though, you believe whatever you want as it’s no skin off my nose.
        
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        August 8, 2022 1:47pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @”Ross Campbell” a shame you didn’t apply yourself during your 5 years at high school, perhaps you could have learned how to spell roll.
        
        Even allowing for a number of years (not all students stay the full 5) it’s still 600% of the national average, but you keep spinning like a top mate. Bullshit is still bullshit, and you’re full of it.
        
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        August 8, 2022 3:39pm
      - Matt Long
        
        If the deaths are still unexplained, it sounds like Ross has gotten away with it.
        
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        August 8, 2022 7:44pm
    - Simon
      
      MSM gleefully reporting any covid death of anyone aged under 30. Now with the new covid death definitions in how many young people died with the covid?
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ross, maybe that was in the era when they doused kids in DDT for various bugs. You know, another one of those “safe and effective” treatments……
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UiCSvQvVys&t=3s
    
    And of course we had that amazingly “safe and effective” anti morning sickness medication. What was it called again? Contergan?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrTHfBCduRA
    
    That one was in trials for 8 years before it was deemed “safe and effective” for the public. But your fallback position
    
    This is very sad for the family involved, here’s hoping the coroner does a thorough job investigating the cause of death. It may or may not be related to the jab, but there has undoubtedly been a huge increase in vaccine related injury and death around the world in the last 18 months. A rise in all cause mortality everywhere, not from covid. A rise in fertility and menstrual issues for women.
    At some point this connection is going to be impossible to ignore, even for you.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:25am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      TBH Clan….I reckon Ross just makes shit up as he goes along.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:47am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        This coming from someone who regularly regales us with tales of her supposedly millionaire lifestyle in Remuera with her fabulously rich partner.
        People can make up their own mind who is talking trash.
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:44am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I know this might sound crazy Ross….
        but my vagina tells me YOU would never be the man for me.
        
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        August 8, 2022 12:52pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “A rise in all cause mortality everywhere, not from covid.”
      
      That does not seem to be supported by New Zealand data, at least the preliminary data for 2021. See Table 7.
      
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Births-and-deaths/Births-and-deaths-Year-ended-December-2021/Download-data/births-and-deaths-year-ended-december-2021.xlsx
      
      Can you provide any data for all cause mortality rates in other OECD countries? I would be very interested if the rates are increasing. However to reiterate, the New Zealand data does not show that. We will know more when the final 2021 data is available and then next year when the 2022 data is availiable.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I’ve come across the data in various articles and blog posts commenting on it. If I can dig them out I’ll post them. But here are broad figures from around the world.
        
        “Excess mortality
        Graphs showing the weekly excess deaths (deviation in mortality from the expected level) in the data-providing EuroMOMO partner countries for the past years, all ages and by age groups.”
        
        https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
        
        Also here:
        
        https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?country=MEX~PER~FRA~BRA~USA~GBR~BGR~ISR~AUS
        
        This is one of the blog posts doing some analysis on the data.
        
        https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/sharp-increases-in-all-cause-mortality
        
        I’m not a statistics expert, but the rationale seems to make perfect sense to me. If I’ve missed something or I am interpreting it wrongly please let me know. As I’ve said often, I am not here to deliberately misinform anyone about anything. I’m an average person living in extraordinary times trying to make sense of it all.
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:30am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Re the NZ numbers, I note 2021 is provisional, they are still relatively high, but not by a great margin. As you say, final data and particularly data from 2022 will hopefully provide a clearer picture.
        
        It will take time for all of the data needed to give a clearer picture emerges.
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:36am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Here’s a link to an article posted up thread. It is from Spiked magazine and discusses the insane covid “elimination” strategy adopted by Ardern.
        The author claims:
        
        “All-cause excess deaths – below baseline levels in 2020 – shot up in 2021 and in 2022. Some weeks, recorded death rates were at 32 per cent above the norm. New Zealand delayed and reduced Covid deaths at the expense of increasing deaths from other causes.”
        
        https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=NZL
        
        That chart shows that it began towards the end of 2021 which would explain the NZ stats for that year. That increase bears an uncanny resemblance to the vaccine rollout.
        
        Here’s the comparison with the US and UK.
        
        https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=NZL
        
        Time will tell. But I know where my money is going.
        
        This was posted earlier, it’s NZers with a message to Ardern. Many of them are from the “rivers of filth” who descended on the Beehive earlier in the year. Listen to their messages. Ardern won’t.
        
        https://youtu.be/EPDDgi7oKNI
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:57am
      - mawm
        
        Benedict – Professor Norman Fenton (UK) has a very interesting video on Rumble discussing flawed data and how they have driven the narrative. He also covers all cause mortality from about the 20′ mark but you would probably get a better understanding of what he is saying if you listen to the whole video.
        
        https://rumble.com/vtxi1h-open-science-sessions-how-flawed-data-has-driven-the-narrative.html
        
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        August 8, 2022 3:36pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    I think I saw you last week at the annual straw clutcher’s conference, I was there in the background to help people who had woken up, escape the escape the clutches of the straw clutchers.
    
    Your argument IS clutching at straws.
    
    A chap I went to school and youth group with, died in his sleep in his first year of university, during the weekend and discovered on the Monday. The death was unexplained, at least to us, but there would have been a post-mortem. Perhaps he died of a drug someone gave him at the Students Association regular Friday night drunk fest. Perhaps he drank way too much or drank when he normally didn’t.
    
    Perhaps he had a stroke or heart attack or died of other natural causes. We never knew, and perhaps the family chose to keep the cause secret.
    
    Even if unexplained, it does not in a million years prove 40 years later, that Pfixer vaccines are safe and not causing hundreds of thousands of unexplained and/or accelerated deaths worldwide.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Even if unexplained, it does not in a million years prove 40 years later, that Pfixer vaccines are safe and not causing hundreds of thousands of unexplained and/or accelerated deaths worldwide”
      
      I agree. However, mortality rates WILL prove or disprove your hypothesis. As I posted up the thread, there has been no (material) change to New Zealand mortality rates in the 2021 preliminary data.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:26am
      - JackRabbit
        
        2021 preliminary data Do you have a link?
        
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        August 8, 2022 10:41am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I provided the link earlier in the thread.
        
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        August 8, 2022 12:56pm
  - Sacha
    
    @ Ross – about 15 years ago I looked after a 14 yo lad who dropped to the ground while kicking a ball around at break-time at school. He was resuscitated and brought in to hospital where I monitored him via the ECG. We kept him in overnight and what we saw over 24 hours was one random flurry of irregular beats which reverted to normal rhythm within seconds, but which would have resulted in sudden death if normal rhythm hadn’t resumed. He didn’t notice it. (We were fascinated as we hadn’t seen anything like this before, and we had it recorded on the ECG !)
    This abnormal cardiac activity is commonly asymptomatic, and sudden death is rare, but there is no way to detect its presence in a usually healthy youth without cardiac monitoring.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:11am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    RC draw your arguments with venn diagrams and numbers of cases. This might help you understand the deficiency of logic involved in your thinking here. You’re welcome. 😉
    
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    August 8, 2022 2:24pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      How many crayons will he need?
      
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      August 8, 2022 3:40pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Tragic.
  I see that jab mandates for the doctors and dentists are being dropped in Italy.
  The 2000’ish medical professionals are being welcomed back to work. Nice of the Italian govt isn’t it?
  Just need NZ MOH to get same process sorted now and include the nurses. I wonder how many medical professionals have gone for good?
  Full story on : dailytelegraph.co.nz
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There needs to be a public apology and a ten grand payment to help cover loss of income to all those affected.
    The people responsible for it should all lose their jobs. Those at the top should be on charges of malfeasance.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Must be an election coming up.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:19am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Kevn, is that the same Italy that was once the poster child for how tragic and viscous Covid was, with a massive death toll?
    
    Is that the same Italy that publicly revised it’s toll of death by Covid from 130,000 down to 4,000 , because they were normal expected deaths but tested positive for Covid by PCR test?
    
    Is that the same Covid PCR test, that this time last year the CDC ruled it was not reliable and gave notice to all world health authorities to get rid of it and replace it by 31/12/2o21. Is that the same PCR test we are still using in NZ? Along with the RAT test that Medsafe have published on their website that they never tested it? A RAT test that Medsafe have no idea if it works, if it is reliable, and if it is even testing for Covid?
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:23am
    - kevn
      
      @Jack… Yes, the very same Italy that has now awakened.
      Not like our labour incumbents who are bent on dispensing more jabs.
      Learning nothing.
      
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      August 8, 2022 4:29pm
- Surely Knott
  
  🙁 Tragic.
  Yes I note we also haven’t heard back about the Muriwai Teen who died almost a year ago after the vaccine and also during a run apparently. It was with the coroner in Sept 2021.
  
  With the most recent tragedy, the Herald reports the principal saying it’s “appalling” to speculate on the cause of death but actually it is our responsibility as adults that we understand the facts in a timely manner when a young person dies, especially when we are coercing them to take a drug that is still provisionally approved . We have a right to know the facts which once again are withheld from the article so we can keep our own teens safe or feel reassured about the safety of the product.
  
  I note that Pauling Polkinghorne’s story has gone quiet. Also another sudden death right after the vaccine, we were told it the family didn’t want it linked to the vaccine and the fact was removed from the article. Then we were lead to believe in great detail that it was murder. So where is that case at? Is there an open police enquiry? Is the murderer still on the loose? Has it gone to the vaccine safety committee? Has their been an autopsy? Has it gone to the coroner?
  
  And by chance I met a fully boosted friend and helped them with some social media for their new business. They had no logo because “the young guy who was doing their logo unexpectedly died”.
  Just another coincidence maybe.
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:03am
- Zero Kindness
  
  The Herald 90% project – still has the story from September 2021 of Professor Helen Petousis-Harris debunking 10 big Fizzer Jab myths as misinformation.
  I wonder if the lying professor is still prepared to stand behind her statements, some (most) are clearly incorrect and misleading.
  This is why you will hear nothing in the Herald of vaccine adversity or death, nothing contrary to safe and effective.
  The Herald, along with the government and all of their “experts” have to accept responsibility and accountability for their part in this disgraceful saga.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-90-project-10-of-the-biggest-vaccine-myths-debunked/J3GAVRTRTG2KH3RC5GLGTULAIA/
  
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  August 8, 2022 12:38pm
Cassandra

One of Luxon’s list of things we all apparently want is to recognise the Treaty of Waitangi. I think that’s a great idea. A treaty between the majority of chiefs of the Maori tribes and the British crown which accepted NZ and all of its people into the Empire and provided a way for future immigration and the transfer of land to a proper recording – title – system. Maybe some say in the care of rivers. That’s it.
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August 8, 2022 8:09am
- NK
  
  Was that in his speech?
  
  Who’s this “we” he/you refer to?
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:27am
  - Cassandra
    
    His list started “We all want…………” I assume he meant all of us rather than just the people he was addressing.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  It’s not great as the sore will simply continue to be picked and grow.
  The Nats are actually very open to broadening the implications of “treatyism”.
  And that has run through several of their administrations.
  Arguably has got us where we are today .
  
  Who introduced “co governance” . Started with rivers and lakes ,but it will end up in the constitution . If it isn’t in there already , by stealth .
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:32am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This is what Luxon actually said yesterday, and it’s the same as what he’s been saying for several months:
    
    A country that emphasizes what unites us, instead of what divides us. A country that says absolutely, explicitly, that there is one standard of democracy, equal voting rights and no co-governance of public services.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:52am
    - Clownworld
      
      That soundbite appears good Tony to a point.
      
      Why were all parliament mps dividing the country by not meeting with mostly peaceful protesters on parliament grounds?
      
      Why would Luxon censor free speech and free opinion on morality by his team?
      
      United? Or two different groups of people?
      
      Sounds like Jacinda… yeah that’s what it is.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:32am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Tony S – That is not the agenda now. Labour-Greens-Maori party who will be in gummit in after 2023 will make sure Maori have special rights and privileges over rest of the population and the sheeple will quietly accept it.
      
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      August 8, 2022 11:36am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      This is what Luxon actually said yesterday,
      
      I’m done with what politicians, especially National Party politicians say. I’m only interested in what they do when they have the power of government.
      
      To say the least, I’m pretty dark on past National government’s inability to limit the actions of future Labour/Left governments, as I was in 2008 as everybody sung Key’s praises and I voted for one of his electorate candidates (Party vote ACT that year) – with a sinking feeling.
      
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      August 8, 2022 6:43pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Recognise the Treaty of Waiting? Which version? And everyone has to remember, that Maori change their interpretation whenever it suits them.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s being realistic.
  
  I think many Pakeha recognise that illegal land acquisitions needed to be acknowledged and compensated for.
  
  I think many Pakeha are more than happy for Maori to speak their language and practise their customs in their own land.
  
  Luxon is acknowledging that the rights the Crown signed up to in 1840 are not going to be revoked.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:04am
- oldfella
  
  Cassandra: yes, let’s recognise the actually TOW – the one you describe.
  Let’s reject the fictional interpretation of it that holds such sway at the moment.
  The more I think about it, the more I like ACT’s idea of a referendum.
  https://www.act.org.nz/campaigns/co-governance
  I note that Luxon doesn’t like the idea. He may not have a choice.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:38am
artemisia

Streaming in schools – nothing like a large and expensive review designed to get rid, even though 90% of schools do stream. Clearly all those schools have no idea. In the Herald today (paywalled)

“Most New Zealand schools stream their students according to ability. In what’s being billed as a seismic shift in education, moves are under way to end the practice…..Tokona te Raki has been researching streaming for the past five years and has been asked by the ministry and the Iwi Chairs Forum to lead a collaborative approach to end it. It has assembled a group including representatives from the Mātauranga Iwi Leaders Group (the education arm of the Iwi Chairs Forum), the ministry, the Education Review Office, New Zealand Qualifications Authority, principals, teachers’ unions, professional learning associations and Auckland and Canterbury universities, and intends to release an action plan by September. This blueprint will raise awareness of the pitfalls of streaming, and propose alternatives and next steps, says Prendergast.”
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August 8, 2022 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  No mention of parent’s involvement?
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:27am
- Southern Raider
  
  Doing away with streaming will consign NZ to a death knell on the world stage.
  
  Streaming helps in two significant ways
  – Advanced students get continually challenged with harder problems and tasks
  – Struggling students have achievement appropriate tasks and teachers can better assist their development
  
  Smashing these together will just result in advanced students checking out as they will be bored as hell, struggling students still not getting the focus they need
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:58am
  - Ian Boag
    
    FWIW Ontario ( Canada ) is doing the same thing this year. Their high school system is not cluttered by a province-wide exam that staff have to teach to.
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:36pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Will they be removing streaming in sports also? If not, why not? No more top sports teams. We all play together?
  
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  August 8, 2022 3:14pm
Captain Mainwaring

Wellington is heading for major water restrictions this summer because 30% of the water is being lost because of old pipes which are leaking.
Yet the powers that be still see cycleways and light rail as more important recipients for the money.
The mind boggles.
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August 8, 2022 8:12am
- Tricati
  
  The problem Captain is the lefty council is waiting for 3 waters to pay for all the infrastructure repairs, so are off on their pet projects, and to hell with the long suffering rate-payer.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:43am
- MCōs
  
  The money needed to create cycle ways is measured in the millions.
  The money needed to fix Wellington’s water problems is measured in the billions.
  The water infrastructure of old cities such as Wellington has been neglected because nobody wants to tackle the problem and blow out the rates.
  So the pipes are fixed when there’s no choice rather than as a preventative measure.
  BTW
  I lived in Wellington for years. Every summer water restrictions kicked in automatically.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The difference between a million and a billion is only three zeros. Zeros have no value, so there is no extra cost. AOC.//
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:28am
    - MCōs
      
      Does she have to pay the rates in Wellington?
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She does not even pay her own failed business taxes
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:16am
  - zulumonster
    
    “The money needed to create cycle ways is measured in the millions.”
    Hundreds of millions though MCos .. .and with the rate this one is going it will hit the billion dollar mark before completion …
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/129345651/cost-blowout-for-harbour-pathway-between-wellington-and-hutt-valley
    
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    August 8, 2022 3:47pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Don’t forget the millions of dollars spent on vanity projects such as painting Rainbow Pedestrian Crossings.
      
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      August 8, 2022 6:50pm
Bobba Fret

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-crime-six-retail-stores-targeted-by-thieves-overnight/K5WSUVFIWVKO5WIHPQKUGSCGHY/

Quiet night in Auckland last night. Just the six smash and grab raids! These hardly make the news now.
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August 8, 2022 8:13am
- MCōs
  
  Remuera Rd.
  Must have fancied something a bit more classy than Lion Brown. Bookers 30th Anniversary Bourbon, John Walker Blue Label, Penfolds St Henri Shariz, that sort of thing.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “It is fair to say though that if someone is particularly young … efforts are often made to use consequences and punishment that don’t for instance necessarily lead to that individual being in facilities that result in their continuing [to offend] … that is not to say that there are no consequences.”
  
  WORD SOUP WAFFLE.
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:32am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The consequences need to be feared so badly that very very few would be dumb enough to go there. Military boot camp re-education would be a good start. Not run by the military (they have better things to do than army little scumbags) but perhaps by ex military drill sergeants and officers. Some youth might crack and need mental health care. So be it.
    
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    August 8, 2022 2:29pm
- Southern Raider
  
  “If someone is particularly young, particularly young, efforts are often made to use consequences and punishment that doesn’t necessarily lead to that individual being in facilities that for instance result in their continuing and often in cases, we do know that this is the case, if a young person enters into our formalised criminal justice system that essentially means that’s the trajectory that they are on,” Ardern told AM.
  
  That shit doesn’t even make sense. She’s just talking round in circles not actually saying anything and media laps it up
  
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  August 8, 2022 12:01pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Typical Jacinda Ardern. It is when you see a transcript of what she says that the full horror is on show. It is just a babble of random words. I mean just read this FFS,
    
    “…..if someone is particularly young … efforts are often made to use consequences and punishment that don’t for instance necessarily lead to that individual being in facilities that result in their continuing [to offend] …..”
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      BY, is that ‘angry’ in the room with you right now?
      
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      August 8, 2022 6:28pm
  - Nickc2
    
    She has no personal or life skills whatsoever. Straight out of that Marxist Finishing School (University) a bit of fish-n-chips wrapping and into Politics where Winston Peters anointed her as PM.
    What could possibly go wrong eh?
    
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    August 8, 2022 2:18pm
Colville

The ABs playing about half the team out of preferred positions and a captain that is miles off the pace.
Fozzie has gotta go.
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August 8, 2022 8:18am
- NK
  
  And he will.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:27am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Surely even if by some miracle they win at Ellis park, Foster cannot survive.
  The thing I worry about, is if they appoint Razor, and he doesn’t get instant results, NZ Rugby will say, look we told you Razor wasn’t ready for the job.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:44am
  - Colville
    
    I think the Crusaders Super side would beat the ABs at this point.
    
    Razor coached his team well and it dismantled Auckland in the final. Exactly the way Ireland dismantled the ABs to win the series. That is good coaching/planning.
    
    The Boks smashed us and outplayed us in key positions, they targeted our weaknesses. ie;
    small No8 and useless No7.
    
    6 0r 8 years ago the ABs might have survived by scoring 4 tries…but we seem to have 4 outside backs that have forgotten how to attack (or catch a ball)
    
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    August 8, 2022 11:16am
- MCōs
  
  I’ve solved the problem.
  I’ve canceled Sky.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:57am
bravefart

Interesting analysis of NZ’s “Zero Covid” approach:
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/07/zero-covid-has-cost-new-zealand-dearly/
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August 8, 2022 8:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Nothing to see here….

MBIE labour inspectors see no problems….

Undercover EEO commissioner witnesses multiple examples of exploitation of workers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129496019/blatant-exploitation-migrant-workers-packed-in-freezing-damp-rooms-for-150-a-week

When it is bleeding obvious that certain middle men in the Horticulture industry are exploiting RSE workers, why does MBIE turn a blind eye?
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August 8, 2022 8:29am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW-
  These workers whom we practically beg to come over here to do work the vast majority of New Zealanders won’t do – are really just used.
  They have to pay for a wide range of costs out of their meagre earnings including work clothing, transport to the fields and accommodation. The rest of their money gets sent home to the Islands.
  Which I guess is the only reason they would come here to be treated worse than dogs.
  I have family member who also works in the industry alongside the RSE workers.
  Sometimes they don’t even have access to fresh water or toilet facilities.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:52am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Bet that they are ripped off by their own kind
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:12am
Maggie Pie

“THE WUHAN FLOP”

Pure theatre 😀

https://twitter.com/risemelbourne/status/1555805095077756928
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August 8, 2022 8:29am
- Surely Knott
  
  Yip we were lied to.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:42am
I remember when

Did I mention the other day that I thought the Silver Ferns could beat England.
Then they started with a different shooting combination to the one I expected.
Did Noeline plan this very carefully.
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August 8, 2022 8:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

The folks running our Polytechs are paid big buckaroos..

but it seems they haven’t got a clue as to why their first year enrolments keep dropping.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/129482274/one-in-three-firstyear-polytech-students-quit-in-the-first-12-months
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August 8, 2022 8:37am
Maggie Pie

Any else noticed Weet-Bix is now like eating like damp GIB?
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August 8, 2022 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Maggie you are buying the gluten free version. The packaging has changed. 🤡
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You just made me go and check my box. It doesn’t say ‘gluten free’… although it does have a Richie-McCaw-Gold-Card inside which I haven’t found yet.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I haven’t eaten Weet-Bix for about 50 years.
  
  If I recall correctly, it was the dessertspoonful of brown sugar I piled on each bix that rendered it edible.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Warm cream and runny-honey is the go these days.
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:19am
    - Colville
      
      Black Doris plums on mine.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:24am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Stewed apple & rhubarb with a large spoonful of Vanilla greek yoghurt on mine – yum yum.
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:13am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      My partner makes me porridge in exchange for steam pork buns. I only get brown sugar 🙁 I am going to ask for ‘warm cream and runny-honey’. 🙂
      
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      August 8, 2022 1:02pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Bet yu don’t get it.
        
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        August 8, 2022 1:39pm
    - mogg
      
      Warm cream runny honey, Avec des fraises.
      
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      August 8, 2022 2:56pm
  - Scooter
    
    Same with porridge
    
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    August 8, 2022 11:13pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  My favourite breakfast, damp GIB. I’ve been struggling to get some for a few months, had to switch to Ricies. Just not the same.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:44am
  - Inandout
    
    Clan, Highland Scots don’t live a long life by eating processed breakfast cereal. The wise among us eat local wholegrain oats, without a tot of the hard stuff of course.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I’ll certainly give that one a go!
      
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      August 8, 2022 12:39pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Agree, might as well eat the card board box for all the goodness in it these days.
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:14am
- Gravelroad
  
  Could your weetbix be actually made into GIB, Maggie Pie?
  This could solve the building material shortage and make you a national hero. Might be “green” also – even better.
  Can you do a bit of research amongst your tennis club and rest home friends/relatives and get back to us?
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:15am
Warren

Well we have the One News Cantar Poll out tonight so will we see Jacinda Ardern’s bestie getting all excited or will it be more of the same from Jessica Mutch McKay with her continuing criticism of Chris Luxon.
Really I can’t see how Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister can expect to have created a swell of support for Labour as she has been out of the Country for most of the last month, or will they be polling on Grant Robertson Abortion smear.
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August 8, 2022 8:50am
cas

A few good sentences from Sir Humphrey in yes Minister last night.

‘Ministers have a whole range of dazzling qualities – enviable intellectual suppleness and moral maneuverability. …. Ministers serve at random by prime Ministerial whim in recognition of services rendered or to avoid appointing someone of real ability.

Remind you of anyone?
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August 8, 2022 8:53am
Cara

From Luxon’s speech yesterday (note the carefully chosen words):
Luxon said he had a vision of a country that embraced “diversity and multi-culturalism, recognises the Treaty, acknowledges Auckland as the biggest Pasifika city in the world, welcomes needed migrants, but that first and foremost serves the common cause of all New Zealanders.

“A country that emphasises what unites us, instead of what divides us. A country that says absolutely, explicitly, that there is one standard of democracy, equal voting rights and no co-governance of public services,” he said.
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August 8, 2022 8:54am
- rockape
  
  Yes he removed all doubt about that. But then those who have listened to his previous speeches knew that was the way he was going.
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:42am
- DimChappie
  
  There you go. Whatever one’s view of Luxon, he is committed to reversing the worst outrages – 3 Waters, Health and one Maori-more votes. It will be the co-governance election.
  stopcogovernance.site/
  
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  August 8, 2022 12:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, oh dear…

Samoa recognizes Our Dear PM’s Government is just a load of hot-air

Samoa’s former Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi has accused New Zealand of drawing more attention towards “geopolitical issues to satisfy its ego for cheap popularity”.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/472428/ex-pm-says-samoa-being-hoodwinked-by-nz-government
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August 8, 2022 9:13am
Nickc2

So a Polytech Automotive course is being translated into Te Reo (NewsTalkZB). That’ll be helpful eh?
When are Automobile Manufacturers going to be compelled to release online vehicle Maintenance Instructions/Manuals in Te Reo?
No doubt Mahuta Corp is undertaking this work on behalf of the Govt’s Maori Caucus as a sole-sourced tender.
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August 8, 2022 9:16am
- JackRabbit
  
  Why don’t they just get the original Te Reo manuals for the original Te Reo motor cars? //
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:36am
  - Ghost
    
    Can’t, they stopped making Moa
    
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    August 8, 2022 12:18pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      That’s what happens when you chase, kill, and eat your motor vehicles.
      
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      August 8, 2022 1:18pm
- Ghost
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/ED2208/S00007/automotive-engineering-course-in-te-reo-maori-a-first-in-new-zealand.htm
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:40am
  - Ghost
    
    Whoops, forgot to add Sean Plunket to it
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIsmBZ8Erqs
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    …….create their own terms and submit them to Te Taura Whiri i Te Reo – the Māori Language Commission, or to simply use the English terms.
    If English terms etc are to be used, save yourself some effort and expense and use existing courseware as written in English.
    Nah, nobody gets rich of the taxpayer doing that eh?
    
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    August 8, 2022 12:04pm
- greybeard
  
  I look forward to seeing the maori language translation for “double overhead-camshaft, twin-turbo forced induction, aluminium headed V12 crossplane crankshaft motor”.
  Probably just “waka”, same as everything else.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:21am
  - Nickc2
    
    Honestly, you could’nt make this stuff up. This course will no doubt sit in someones filing cabinet and never see the light of day, let alone an Instructor capable of using it.
    Whatever it costs, it’s going to be a waste of money.
    PS: Have you noticed how people only steal vehicles that are in working condition? They never steal ones that need fixing.
    
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    August 8, 2022 11:38am
  - zulumonster
    
    Courtesy of Google translate:
    rua o runga-camshaft, mahanga-turbo urunga kaha, konumohe upoko V12 motini riipene crankshaft … priceless
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:14pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/08/07/how-dare-you-billionaires-hollywood-stars-join-call-for-end-to-public-plane-tracking/
‘Celebrities’ Want to end Public Plane Tracking.

AFP reports flight-following websites and Twitter accounts that offer real-time views of air traffic are on the end of regular pushback ranging from complaints to gear seizures by those who would rather their movements are not in the public domain.
One U.S.-based group alone gets dozens of “requests” each year to stop posting aircraft flight movements, according to its organiser, Dan Streufert.
“We have not removed anything so far. This is all public information. And I don’t want to be the arbiter of who’s right and who’s wrong,” added Streufert, founder of flight tracking site ADS-B Exchange which can track any flight from a private individual to a politician, star, activist or member of Royalty.
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August 8, 2022 9:25am
- Ruawai
  
  They can just turn their locator off.
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Celebs are up themselves. Do as I say, not as I do.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:01am
- Harry Knuts
  
  “ADS-B Exchange which can track any flight from a private individual to a politician, star, activist or member of Royalty”
  Funny how these are the likely ones to preach about climate change and lessen your carbon foot print but takes private jets themselves.
  Laughable.
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:35pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og_cQ9Y4oFs
Founder of ‘Black Guns Matter’ on How Gun Control is Racist; More Guns Equals Less Crime.

Gun control is racist against African Americans. [13:53]
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August 8, 2022 9:26am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Why always make it about what is bad for Blacks? For instance, the argument against CRT is framed as “it’s insulting to Blacks and Hispanics” rather than the real issue, which is “CRT is anti-White.” The framing is designed to obscure the point, to appeal to leftists and get their approval. Why? The issue is that gun control infringes on the constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. I fail to see how framing the issue around what is good for Blacks is in any way necessary.
  
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  August 8, 2022 3:44pm
ClanMcleod

More damning data. The vaccine looks like it gives no protection against hospitalisation. Almost zero difference in numbers for those under 40, which is consistent with claims that those under that age were at minimal risk and taking the jab was of no benefit.
The numbers of hospitalisations in the older groups, particularly the single and double jabbed is of great concern. I would imagine the third jab numbers will also climb given we know that any early efficacy falls off a cliff very rapidly.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/08/07/covid-vaccination-offers-no-protection-against-hospitalisation-official-u-k-data-suggest/
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August 8, 2022 9:50am
ClanMcleod

Insurance companies aren’t interested in “conspiracy theories”. They don’t care about government “experts” either. They are all about the bottom line. Money. They tend to do their own research to ensure they make more of it.

“Germany’s Largest Health Insurer Reveals 1 in 25 Clients Underwent Medical Treatment in 2021 for Covid ‘Vaccine’ Side Effects; As many as 1 in 500 injections is expected to cause serious side effects”

https://palexander.substack.com/p/germanys-largest-health-insurer-reveals
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August 8, 2022 9:55am
- Master Mariner
  
  Indeed CM follow the insurance companies.
  
  https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/life-insurance-deaths-up-40—dr-robert-malone-s-chilling-analysis/article_d24bccac-6f38-11ec-912f-1f6d8fc5fac4.html
  
  The Insurance Industry has great data that cannot be manipulated.
  Its not hard to join the dots is it?
  
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  August 8, 2022 12:36pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MM well we know that they aren’t interested in the politics of this stuff. They will be analysing the data hard out. It may be our best source of accurate information.
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:20pm
Lee C

More top-drawer analysis:

https://hatchardreport.com/mainstream-media-stokes-the-fear-factor/
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August 8, 2022 10:09am
- kevn
  
  @LeeC… Intelligent assessment and I’m not talking about the herald.
  2nd and 3rd (not) journalism tranche payments to be made soon.
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:41am
Scooter

PM looking decidedly uncomfortable during the interview with Ryan Bridge, well done to him.
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August 8, 2022 10:17am
Clownworld

This is the result of moral relativism.
Without a foundation anything goes.

Make truth subjective and it only leads to a cluster chaos cloud cuckoo land.

Disposable values wildebeest is an apt observation. Without a compass and a true north all values are disposable.

We desperately need the truth. Not the ill defined woke revaltistic truth or the humanistic existential version of truth which in both cases comes down to feelings and individual opinion.

Imagine we had actual truth, as in that which corresponds to reality. Not perceived truth as our senses can fail us but an ultimate truth on which we could base our morality upon with some surety it wouldn’t change with the winds of popular or with those in power telling us what is morally acceptable.

Imagine we based our laws on that truth and that we embraced a rational and empathic society on the premise that we loved one another and aimed to do our best in life.

Still modern life reflects ancient times in that “everyone does whatever they think is right…or what they can get away with…”

Now only if there was a set of instructions or something we could start with as a foundation?
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August 8, 2022 10:18am
- Don Beckett
  
  Christianity ? Your descriptor fits it pretty accurately.
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:02pm
Maggie Pie

It’s….”Mahuta-the-Looter” 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/domestickterror/status/1555683952698195969
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August 8, 2022 10:32am
- Ghost
  
  Photoshopped? Oh did they edit her husband out holding the other bag?
  
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  August 8, 2022 10:35am
- nathie
  
  Would like to see Grant “Beagle Boy” Robertson in that disguise (and his side-kicks Cindy & Chippie), fleecing everyday Kiwi’s and their grandchildren for generations to come!
  
  https://images.dailykos.com/images/551483/large/iu_1_?1528602847
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:29am
iMP

The TAMAKI UMBRELLA thing is interesting. Its all been done before. of course, the Christian Coaition in 96 and the United Future NZ amalgam after it.

But this time, the ingredients of the Tamaki cake are already so fractious, this is an over bake before it even reaches the oven. The Umbrella will never survive the election campaign. Previous the CC and UF people were at least political veterans and somewhat moderate.

This motley crew are narrow-issue nut cases; Mr Baker could only garner a few hundred votes in Chch East, and only a few thousand for his whole ill-conceived party.

Tamaki is an attention seeker, thus his base is just rallies, where he gets a platform to show off and try and craft a sense of identity and purpose. Having met and talked with him up close, he has no policy framework or ideology just anti-this and anti-that. A puritan finger pointer.
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August 8, 2022 10:45am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Funnily enough, “…anti-this and anti-that” is really a good summary of your own bitchy comment.
  
  “ill-conceived party”
  “puritan finger pointer”
  “narrow issue nut cases”
  
  You sound a bit worried. Have National teamed up with Labour to keep the cosy club safe from principled individuals like Tamaki? If National had done their job and opposed the government, perhaps there would be no opening for a Tamaki to represent the currently unrepresented. Your National Party wet noodles have shown how inept and ineffectual they are, so maybe it is time to bring on the “nut cases” to make a difference.
  
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  August 8, 2022 3:34pm
Benedict Yu

With all the robberies, it is only a matter of time before one of the robbers is maimed or killed by an owner with an axe or a firearm.
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August 8, 2022 10:59am
- Ghost
  
  Or also very likely, is it just a matter of time before they are caught, slapped with a wet bus ticket, and back out doing it again.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I do hope you are not encouraging shop owners to use violence as defence to stay alive//
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:10am
- Harry Knuts
  
  self defense isn’t in the socialist vocabulary. they prefer victims.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:29am
- Paul Marsden
  
  It will only take one of the little scrotes to die and the nonsense will stop overnight
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:31pm
Handyman

Something to watch for in the media this year…

When the media refers to the vaccine as “the vaccine approved by Trump’ you know the tide is turning.
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August 8, 2022 11:01am
Jack5

Woke Wankery …

The BBC is having problems broadcasting the Commonwealth Games, writes Allison Pearson in the Guardian.

“The corporation is clearly deeply ill at ease with what its staff would regard as a ‘problematic’, ‘imperialist’ (racist) institution.”

In coverage of the opening ceremony, Pearson writes, “ … Casey Bailey intoned a dire bit of doggerel which instructed us to ‘check the galleries and palaces for the evidence of wrongdoing’.”

Pearson adds:

As Casey fretted about millions of people “held under” by the Commonwealth’s banner, the Beeb helpfully added footage of the National Front (from 50 years ago) just to remind viewers what a horrible, racist country we live in.

In a broadcast of a panel, “the history of the Commonwealth isn’t the best,” said Ama Agbeze, who, Pearson writes, “strangely seems to have done quite well under that dreadful organisation, captaining England in 2018 to a Gold medal in hideously white netball no less.”

Have NZ’s State TV and State radio downplayed the Commonwealth Games in line with their Woke leanings on the British settlement of NZ?
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August 8, 2022 11:11am
- Jack5
  
  EDIT: my apologies for a serious blunder by me. Allison Pearson is writing in The Telegraph, not, repeat not, the bloody Guardian.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:32am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Allison Pearson writes for the Telegraph
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Check out the medal table. Top 4 are England, Canada, Australia & NZ.
  
  Racist or what!
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:16pm
Warren

Listen to the Prime Minister lie her arse off to Ryan Bridges this morning on Newshub Breakfast Show and if the questions got to the stage she couldn’t answer it was play the blame game with it’s all the National Party’s fault they created the problem that will take years to fix.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/jacinda-ardern-rejects-claims-there-are-no-consequences-for-young-offenders-amid-spate-of-ram-raids.html
Has there ever been a bigger liar that was Prime Minister of New Zealand.
What a disgrace the Labour Government and there Leader are.
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August 8, 2022 11:33am
- Harry Knuts
  
  The whole of NZ wants to know what the consequences are. The words are meaningless and empty without Cindy, the NZ Police and Chippy giving exact detail as to what they’ve defined as consequences.
  Till then the crime wave will continue.
  Where is Chippy? He’s gone silent since he announced funding for this crime wave yet it still continues.
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now, now…just because we “feel” there’s more crime, there’s nothing to suggest that there is a crime wave…
    
    Perhaps a “spike”, but definitely not a “trend”.
    
    or so says Kelvin Davis
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/focus-kelvin-davis-on-current-youth-crime-wave/KFISFWMP5KXUVKF5FFUWNQNICA/
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:37pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    probably not a crime wave till sleepy Kelvin gets his home invaded or a family member gets their business robbed.
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Can’t comment without knowing the full details’
  Waffle waffle waffle word soup. Had to give up, it is mind bending shit!
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:10pm
- Paulus
  
  Am no longer sure anybody will offer her a job Overseas as from what a number of Overseas writers are saying about her would not fitwell in her CV.
  Oh please somebody take her asap.
  I will pay her airfares too !
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:36pm
- glowworm
  
  #ResignJacinda
  
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  August 8, 2022 2:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Once a Govt provides you with basic utilities,
*The Govt can then decide when to turn them on or off.

Once a Govt pays for all your education,
*The Govt can then control the education and the career you may get.

Once a Govt provides you with food,
*The Govt can then decide how much, or if you get to eat.

Once a Govt pays for your housing,
*The Govt can then control where you live.

Once a Govt pays for your healthcare and medicine,
* The Govt can control whether or not you are valuable enough to allow to live.

Once a Govt gets you to agree to gun control,
* You have NO way to prevent that Govt from doing everything listed above.
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August 8, 2022 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sadly, this is where we are heading, unless YOU vote the bastards OUT!
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:54am
Jack5

Red Radio is looking at the widespread use in NZ of Chinese-made Hikvision surveillance cameras.

Chiefly, this seems to be a political call for action against the Chinese product. If so, where will this stop? A vast slab of electronic componentry we use comes fully, or in part, from China. Chinese made stuff is in our TVs, computers, cell phones …

In May, Reuters reported the United States was moving towards further sanctions on Hikvision because of Chinese repression of its Uighurs.

Hikvision was put on the American trading black list first in 2019, over allegations of use of its cameras in civil rights abuse in China.

America’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency warned last September that 70 Hikvision cameras had flaws allowing access.

Earlier, in 2017, a branch of America’s Homeland Security, reported on flaws. Hikvision fairly quickly said it had fixed the two problems in some models: an improper authentication bug and a “password in configuration file vulnerability”.
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August 8, 2022 11:58am
- cmm
  
  Quite
  
  The actual security can be verified by monitoring the network with wireshark etc. Any holes (theoretical or real) can be eliminated with filters.
  
  Nope, this is pure political grandstanding.
  
  Where’s the outcry/sanctions over the treatment of migrant workers/homosexuals in Dubai or Saudi?
  
  Why are we buying cop cars from Hitler’s Motor Company?
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:57pm
ClanMcleod

“This economic crisis isn’t down to war… it’s the bill for our Covid panic”

Peter Hitchens is on to it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11087849/PETER-HITCHENS-economic-crisis-isnt-war-bill-Covid-panic.html
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August 8, 2022 12:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyone believe this shit? Will the media call her out?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/we-have-quadrupled-transitional-housing-ardern-responds-to-luxon-s-attack-on-her-record-of-getting-things-done/ar-AA10psaM?
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August 8, 2022 12:14pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  because.. wait for it.. they haven’t built their 100k houses under kiwibuild. That was their promise to NZ in 2017. Fail.
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! You wouldn’t even get the kitchen-appliances for that!
    
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    August 8, 2022 2:29pm
- cmm
  
  Well she’s right isn’t she?
  
  Transitional housing = motels and similar. They have quadrupled the number of motels they’re hiring (at least).
  
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  August 8, 2022 3:43pm
Aunty

A fascinating video. On the left, up goes a barrage of Islamic Jihad rockets fired at Israel overnight, and on the right, up goes Israel’s iron dome to intercept them. And clearly, they are not that far apart from each other either.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1556162233532649472
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August 8, 2022 12:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/brittney-griner-rewarded-with-9-years-of-not-hearing-the-us-national-anthem
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August 8, 2022 12:29pm
Nickc2

At last someone (Mitsubishi) brings some sense to the Car Market down under.
Mitsubishi currently have no intentions of bringing full-on EVs down under. Their Aust CEO states that doing so is merely moving a problem from the Tail Pipe to the Power Station.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/08/mitsubishi-ceo-knows-his-market-no-full-electric-vehicles-yet-were-in-australia-not-norway.html
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August 8, 2022 12:37pm
- Paulus
  
  Toyota have said recently that they will not make any EVs but will use the Prius/Corolla platform as the basis for their Hybrid cars.
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:39pm
- cmm
  
  Bumper sticker for an EV:
  “My tailpipe is in Huntly”
  
  (And if the correct spelling is Huntley, I really don’t care).
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:53pm
Maggie Pie

I don’t know who $tuff gets their information from, but every people we talk to, will tell you that in the last 5 years Auckland, and indeed the entire country, has been completely fucked by this labor government and their cohorts.

Just saying.
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August 8, 2022 12:37pm
- Ghost
  
  I don’t know. Gangs are loving this government. They may even start up a Montreal mob labour chapter headed by mallard.
  
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  August 8, 2022 12:49pm
  - Ghost
    
    Mongrel Mob, silly autocorrect
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:36pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    They sure are. It helps if you are in the gangs and you have sympathetic insiders in Labour.
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:43pm
    - igm
      
      Like receiving $2.75 million to play with.
      
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      August 8, 2022 6:34pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, but do the gangs vote?
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:50pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      There was a vid going round a year-or-2 back showing Harry Tam sticking it up Simon Bridges….. and telling the bros they had thirty thousand votes or something.
      Can’t find it right at the moment but that would be why Cindy fliked them a few mill.
      
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      August 8, 2022 2:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Free Brittney Griner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc_hwNw3yOQ
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August 8, 2022 12:46pm
Takere

You have to watch this! Paul Majurey Auckland Councils Panuku Chairman at his other job claiming other iwi whenua and fish! https://youtu.be/1P55V4mtisU
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August 8, 2022 12:47pm
cmm

Twenty, eve ten, years ago you would not have seen a photo like this on Stuff, or papers. They’d be too ashamed to show it.

Now nobody cares any more…

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/z/0/4/0/7/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240×700.4z03z4.png/1659919104827.jpg?format=pjpg&optimize=medium
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August 8, 2022 1:00pm
- cmm
  
  I see we have at least hree downtickers proud of Aotearoa’s tagging “culture”?
  
  When I arrived in NZ 30 years ago there was tagging in South Auckland and pretty much nowhere else. 27.5 years ago I came to Chch for the first time. I was taken for a 40 km drive around the city and saw one tag. Yes, one.
  
  Now there are probably 20 within a 100m radius of where I am sitting.
  
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  August 8, 2022 1:48pm
Inandout

Imagine if this was a chicken bone found in a bottle?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129507476/85yearold-message-in-a-bottle-found-inside-concrete-in-fluke-discovery
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August 8, 2022 1:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Whoever said “YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP” obviously never worked for CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, or the Washington Post.

Applies to all NZ media as well.
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August 8, 2022 1:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gisborne is hitting the big time…

2nd ram-raid in 1 week

https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20220808/one-arrest-after-store-ram-raided/
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August 8, 2022 1:27pm
Gravelroad

This is literally gold:
Australian cricketer tests positive for Covid 19 on the morning of the gold medal game at the Comm Games and is allowed to play.
Remember all the absolute hysteria we had here a couple of years ago when people weren’t allowed to visit dying parents, or attend funerals or go to work.
Sport conquers all.
Hope she was wearing her mask for the entire game- yeah.
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August 8, 2022 1:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder why no Asian has been appointed to any Leadership position in the new Health entity.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/472437/asian-new-zealanders-face-challenges-in-accessing-health-services-doctors

Couldn’t be racism, could it?
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August 8, 2022 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G! Wonder if Sam Neil knows about this?

https://twitter.com/justantherburn/status/1555255564766027776
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August 8, 2022 2:49pm
Tauhei Notts

First it was damning opinion released by Frank-Ogilvie re the deception regarding Three Waters.
Second it was that awful bit, elsewhere on this blog, about Hipkins being out of his depth.
Third it was a bloke with a Canadian accent ranting at a pharmacist who overlooked telling his wife about the dangers of the covid injection for their young boy who is now in hospital with myocarditis.
And that is just today, Monday 8th August.
Any suggestions from bloggers here on how I deal with my depression.
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August 8, 2022 2:50pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Yes Notts bro – Watch TV1 opinion poll that will be out tonight and National’s slide like a car sliding on the icy roads of Queenstown.
  
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  August 8, 2022 3:23pm
  - DimChappie
    
    Hehe
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:06pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Really SCS, go stick your head in a paper bag, and sit in the naughty corner. Jax and her mob are on the skids.
    
    If you want a prediction, watch the red rats jump from Liebore to the Watermelon Greens.
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Keep compiling lists of Labour’s daily failures and posting them here.
  
  You’ll be providing a sterling service for those of us who are having difficulty remembering ALL of their blunders.
  
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  August 8, 2022 3:56pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I see it is reported in the NBR that the Auditor General has significant concerns about Three Waters and it’s governance.
  Pity it is behing the paywall.
  From other media – crickets.
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:13pm
  - DimChappie
    
    This link is accessible. With comment by National: https://thethreadtimes.com/governments-three-waters-reforms-questioned-by-auditor-general
    
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    August 8, 2022 5:01pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The TV1 poll has done wonders for the sense of depression.
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:11pm
Suze Wainwright

They’re really after Sam Uffindell right now.

Anyone out there got some salacious gossip on what Labour (and even Green) MPs might have got up to in their younger years – especially when they were teenagers?
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August 8, 2022 3:14pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Of course, all of this would definitely be a bit of a nothing if he had mentioned it before he got the nomination ….
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So if I understand correctly Uffindell was expelled from Kings for late night violent hazing of younger student aka bullying. If that’s right then regardless of the fact he was a school kid then ‘he’s a bully’ will be the retort for everything he touches politically forever. There is no forgiveness or acceptance that people change or do shitty things as kids – but generally grow into good people in modern left. He will need incredibly thick skin to build a political career from here.
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:13pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Men in politics will be hamstrung by this in future – because they tend to be more physically violent as poorly emotionally regulated teens prone to doing dumb things without consideration of consequence – the reason we don’t hold them criminally liable for things until they are older. Girls do (arguably) worse using all the nasty tools of fabricated gossip and reputation destruction, bad enough that it can leads to suicides etc, but without overt violence.
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:53pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Another Labour/MSM hit job (pun intended). How many of us haven’t been involved in a fight during our school days eh? It’s all part of growing up except if you’re a limp-wristed type and would rather sniff the flowers.
      
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      August 8, 2022 7:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Uffindell is a fool if he continues to downplay his actions by saying it was end-of-term highjinks.
  
  “It was the last day of the year and we were just being silly and playing up … we got carried away and we did what we did.”
  
  He needs to acknowledge it was thuggish behaviour and he deserved to be expelled/sent down for hurting a defenceless boy in his bed.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300656643/national-mp-sam-uffindell-asked-to-leave-prestigious-kings-college-after-violent-nighttime-attack-on-younger-boy
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:23pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    I totally disagree. The apologies demanded in bad faith must end. Bowing down and apologising to your political enemies, who are simply employing false moral outrage in an effort to make you submit, is ludicrous. The correct response is “who among us didn’t make mistakes 20 years ago?” Because the answer is obviously “none of us” we can then all move on.
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:41pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Put him up against Mallard in a no holds barred match.
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:43pm
  - igm
    
    Bet there is more to this than reported. As a secondary school boarder I can assure you there was a lot of stupidity that went on end of term.
    It takes a taxpayer-funded compliant hypocritical “Stuff” to bring this type of shit to the fore.
    It pales in significance to Mallard’s antics, especially blindsiding a known coronary patient!
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:47pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    What an idiot.
    Did he not think that skeletons such as reported are pulled out of the crypt by the media and exploited for all they are worth.
    It will not go away, no matter how much he will want it to.
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:47pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Moderately violent teenage idiocy.
      
      Would he have been nominated he had owned up to it? My money is on “no”. Should the media stay silent about this sort of thing?
      
      I expect there will be responses about conspiracies of silence related to Labour party shenanigans. Whatever.
      
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      August 8, 2022 5:06pm
    - Ipanema69
      
      He has to resign from parliament immediately. If not Luxon needs to remove him from caucus. This will be used to blunt any national attack lines on violent crime.
      
      He hss to go. This was an unprovoked attack with a weapon on a younger and smaller victim.
      
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      August 8, 2022 5:07pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Let’s not over react here. He doesn’t need to resign but he will be carrying this baggage forever. Ask DG about youthful indiscretions ….
        
        I can’t see him as a future cabinet minister.
        
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        August 8, 2022 11:04pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I am afraid this is fatal. He should immediately resign from Parliament. Get it over with. Yes he may have been a teenage idiot and may be a different person now, but he will never be able to escape this. Ever. It is fatal.
      
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      August 8, 2022 5:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t think it is politically fatal, as long as he acknowledges the entire monstrosity of :
        
        1. deliberately setting out to attack a smaller, defenceless boy in the company of two other larger, older thugs/bullies.
        
        That to me is the issue.. that as a 16 year-old he didn’t see anything wrong with 3 older boys attacking a single, smaller boy.
        
        It’s not silly hijinks… it’s cowardly bullying.
        
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        August 8, 2022 5:46pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Resign from Parliament why exactly? It’s not like he did it when he was an MP, ffs. How many Labour MPs have resigned since they were elected on account for their behaviour while in office? Zero as far as I can recall, even though there’s a case for them all to go.
        
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        August 8, 2022 6:32pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        My partner was a day-boy at Big Kings. He reckons if all the turdies they bog-washed wanted an apology he’d spend the rest of his life saying sorry.
        It was the way it was then… as it still is today. F–ing wimps!
        
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        August 8, 2022 6:37pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Oh well – I doubt there is anyone out there who is liked by every single other person they went to school with.
    
    I’d imagine such an incident at such a school would have been known about by a lot of people who attended the school
    
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    August 8, 2022 4:56pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I had a friend at Uni – truly a really nice guy and smart – went on to engineering PhD, who got expelled from halls in first year for (as a very poorly judged prank/lark in a group) kidnapping a guy in his hall, (dressed up in black balaclavas) driving him out to the countryside and pretending they were going to execute him. Teenagers, particularly in mobs, are excitable and do dumb shit.
    
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    August 8, 2022 5:00pm
- Ghost
  
  Right now if I was in his electorate I wouldn’t vote for him because of this. 22 years to apologise. Yeah right now he is a huge liability to national.
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:30pm
- surfing
  
  Ugly story. Uffindell is very calculating. The apology came because National offered him a future.
  
  I predict he won’t last long in National. Serious character defect if that story is true, he seems to admit to it.
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:44pm
- nathie
  
  Appalling behavior when he was younger, but hang on since Simon Bridges only announced his resignation this year surely if Uffindell apologised to his victim nine months ago then that was before Uffindell wanted to become a politician (and there is no linkage)?
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:48pm
  - jon
    
    Quite right, but then that is an inconvenient truth, that the media would rather not mention, in their hit job on Uffindell.
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:11pm
  - MCōs
    
    I read he apologized around the time Muller said he wasn’t going to stand in Bay of Plenty again.
    Someone might like to check the dates, but it all sounds rather convenient.
    A decent chap would have apologized at the time.
    
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    August 8, 2022 10:53pm
- fernglas
  
  National really has a history of choosing candidates who then shoot themselves in the foot. Was this disclosed prior to him being chosen?
  
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  August 8, 2022 4:54pm
  - igm
    
    Media leave Labour’s disgusting miscreants in the closet . . . earning their taxpayers’ handouts.
    
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    August 8, 2022 6:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    BarrySoper made the point that this debacle may be the last of Goodfellow’s picks …….
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:16pm
- Ohm my
  
  I’m pleased that National have someone in their ranks with a bit of mongrel in them, instead of another corporate milksop they seem fond of.
  
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  August 8, 2022 5:30pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Yes, thank you! More of these people, not fewer. It shows the guy’s a real human being, and real human beings do things that they perhaps regret later. Do you think this would be an issue at all if he were a Labour MP? Of course not. This isn’t about right or wrong, it’s about the expedient of hobbling a political opponent. The only ones genuinely clutching their pearls are the National supporters on KB. The rule of the game is to help your own, hurt your opponent. Why would you want to throw your own side under the bus? It’s not like he killed or raped someone.
    
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    August 8, 2022 6:38pm
- coge
  
  Here is another chance for Luxon to show leadership. I don’t expect he will.
  
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  August 8, 2022 5:52pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    The way to show leadership would be for Luxon to do absolutely nothing and tell people to get over it and instead focus on more important issues. However, because he is so weak, I expect he’ll cave in to his opponents and sack him, while Labour laugh at how stupid Luxon is for doing so.
    
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    August 8, 2022 6:43pm
slightlyrighty

Nobody is perfect, but if National vetted him, and this didn’t come out, then I have problems with his judgement.

If this was disclosed and then he was selected as a candidate, then I have a problem with the Party Process.

Either way, this is a terrible look.
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August 8, 2022 4:32pm
Maggie Pie

LOL!!

A couple of times a year, a few members of my partner’s gun-club dress up in German uniforms for a weekend of military-reenactments out at a farm in Kaipara.

When he saw Sam’s photo, reckoned he sooo looked like this guy….

https://cdn.britannica.com/20/133420-050-340F0FD8/Reinhard-Heydrich.jpg
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August 8, 2022 4:54pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Heydrich was booted out of the German Navy for “Conduct unbecoming of an officer” then was into the Nazi Party.
  
  Nasty piece of work
  
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  August 8, 2022 6:57pm
Hugh Jarse

FGS I hope the first thing the new president does is put a decent vetting system into place. At the very least this just makes them look incompetent. National when are you going to realise that you are one great big fat target and need to be absolutely pure. The media are not your friend, they are bottom feeders just looking for this stuff. It doesn’t matter that this happened when this man was a boy, nothing is too far back for these grubs to sensationalise to hurt National. We all know if it was labour or the greens, it would be “leave him alone he has paid his due”, but we also know that’s not how it swings for National. As for Uffindel, well I suggest he resign now and stop the bleeding, the apology was obviously contrived and with his by election in mind. The media are going to flay him and National until he goes.
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August 8, 2022 4:55pm
Tom Barker

Sam Uffindell, youth rehabilitation role model: “Don’t commit violent crime (unless your dad is rich).”
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August 8, 2022 5:03pm
SmokerGuy

Ffs National all the problems with previous MPs and candidates and you put up Uffindell while keeping it all secret from members who voted?????? I know it was a long time ago and he apologised (although the timing of that doesn’t look good) but the media will just keep the narrative going that National don’t choose good people to run for them.
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August 8, 2022 5:13pm
- Philip Hart
  
  Absolutely. How on earth does this happen? Another own goal by national to go with the long list of candidates that have proven to be a liability in the past. He has to go immediately and hopefully the country will forget the cost of another by-election by next year.
  
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  August 8, 2022 6:47pm
- surfing
  
  I voted for Uffindell… feel completely hoodwinked now. I’d definitely not have voted for him had I known this.
  
  I would have voted for the Act representative (Cameron Luxton). Presumably he does not think it a fun activity to commit serious assaults.
  
  The more I think about this, and if national knew about it, this is going to be damaging. Especially Uffindell’s now BS hypocritical speech against crime.
  
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  August 8, 2022 6:53pm
  - kowtow
    
    Oh come on ,don’t over egg his youthful misdeed .
    
    There’s a very good reason schools don’t involve the police , and indeed we as parents don’t either , at the drop of every hat .
    
    He was a youngster , yes what he did was really really shitty and a crime , but for goodness sake , we’ve all made mistakes .
    
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    August 8, 2022 9:20pm
Benedict Yu

I have a feeling this could be fatal for this MP.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300656643/national-mp-sam-uffindell-asked-to-leave-prestigious-kings-college-after-violent-nighttime-attack-on-younger-boy
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August 8, 2022 5:32pm
- Swifty
  
  Could well be.
  
  But our current Speaker violently attacked a person in Parliament and no Labour Party MP called for him to go – as far as I can remember.
  
  I wonder why?
  
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  August 8, 2022 5:57pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Because Labour know that the first rule is that you protect your own, while doing everything you can to harm their opponents. They don’t care about Mallard’s behaviour: he is one of theirs, and that is all that matters. People who seriously believe that Labour actually care about what a National MP did years ago just don’t have a clue. They are using it cynically to deflect from their own troubles. It’s nothing to do with morality.
    
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    August 8, 2022 6:48pm
  - Philip Hart
    
    Perhaps because he didn’t join 3 others in pummelling a 13 year old with weapons
    
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    August 8, 2022 6:49pm
    - Swifty
      
      Mallard’s assault, of another MP, was a sackable offence in every business or organisation, public or private, the length of the country.
      
      By not exiting him as soon as possible after the assault Labour have not only shamed themselves but have established a precedent.
      
      If I was Luxon and when asked by the media about Uffindel I’d throw it right back in their faces saying “The precedent has been set by Labour’s inaction over Mallard….” and “Mallard’s assault was WHILE A PARLIAMENTARIAN and within Parliament buildings – not something dragged up from 20 years ago…”
      
      I don’t know Uffindel from a bar of soap, and if I did meet him I suspect I wouldn’t like him – but we want to be very careful about dragging up people’s pasts and using them to crucify people in the present.
      
      It just doesn’t seem right to me.
      
      Now, how about that Mega Fightery – she assaulted her own staff member and Ardern now has her as our Customs Minister!
      
      Labour have no credibility in these matters whatsoever.
      
      None.
      
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      August 8, 2022 10:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You’re right, that’s the counterargument. Mallard is not remorseful and never will be but he will still be our representative in Ireland eh? Case closed.
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:21pm
  - graham
    
    That would be the same Speaker who defamed a parliamentary staff member, effectively labeling him a rapist, then doubled down by using parliamentary privilege to accuse him of sexual assault?
    
    The same speaker who assaulted protesters at Parliament – and make no mistake, what he did most certainly was assault – by turning the sprinklers on them?
    
    Funny how that works, isn’t it?
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:22pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Afetr Mallard and Whaiteri, Labour can’t comment. However, the MSM is not so constrained. They can and will do Labour’s dirty work for them..
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:29pm
    - kowtow
      
      They are Labour.
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:16pm
Southern Raider

No wonder the media party dumped the 22 year old story about the Tauranga Labour MP this afternoon

Labour dives to 33% and ACT up to 11% 👍
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August 8, 2022 6:03pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  There is no Tauranga Labour MP.
  
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  August 8, 2022 9:02pm
- MCōs
  
  They didn’t know
  A – the poll numbers, which are entirely predictable anyway
  B – the details of the assault, because it’s only now come to light
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  The Nats did know when they selected this chap as their man in Tauranga.
  
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  August 8, 2022 11:02pm
Tony Stuart

What about the 1News/Kantar poll then? A National/Act government, with no need to bring in any hangers-on.

New Zealand needs this; let’s make sure it happens.
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August 8, 2022 6:13pm
- Warren
  
  Yes Tony but the disgrace the media are they couldn’t help themselves with there hit on Luxon again with saying after the Hawaii incident and his abortion stance he has not been effected in the polls.
  Jacinda thinks this is just a hiccup for herself and Labour but I think this is the start of a very steep decline.
  
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  August 8, 2022 6:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Take a guess what’s hitting the headlines, though.
  
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  August 8, 2022 6:33pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    1News was very once-over-lightly on the Uffindell story. Let’s be honest; who of us didn’t do stupid shit when we were teenagers. I can’t see it causing long-term damage.
    
    On the other hand, there are still revelations coming on Nanaia Mahuta and William Gannin Ormsby which are current, and involve a Minister of the Crown. Now that IS newsworthy, and the kind of stuff that brings down a government.
    
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    August 8, 2022 7:49pm
    - kowtow
      
      The timing of this “news” is interesting .
      Coming as it does the day after the Nat conference .
      
      I smell a rat .
      
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      August 8, 2022 8:21pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  And that’s really heartening Tony and they are clearly really concerning the labour and their media beneficiaries, hence the attacks, but they can’t continue to shoot themselves in the foot with dumb shit like this. The media have already started the meme around Luxon being mistake and gaffe ridden, they will be going after him now if he was aware of this before the by election. It will be death by a thousand cuts. My concern is that NZ just can’t take another three years of this government and National can’t expect to just walk into government because people are sick of this lot.
  
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  August 8, 2022 7:00pm
CAKE FACE1

I see the latest poll numbers are close.

Cactus Kate nails it, and perhaps inadvertently explains why the next election will be close.

Cactus quotes a Green tweet, as follows:

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2022/08/everything-that-is-wrong-with-left-in.html

“*Most* people’s priorities are having a warm/safe home and providing enough kai to feed their family; not getting rich.”

Ignoring the pidgin, I would disagree that “most” people have such low aspirations, but perhaps close to a majority of voters do have these things as the sum total of their ambitions for their pathetic lives.

I have analysed socialism all my life, to try and understand the appeal, and I believe that I have cracked it.

Socialists are a like protean idiot thing from pre-history, who have no aspiration or ambition, but just want to exist in a semi sentient state until they die. I don’t have an issue with this, so long as they left me alone.

Of course, the socialist will never leave CAKE in peace. The thing that most disturbs the socialist is the pesky people who want more from their life. They make the socialist feel bad. Their answer is to cut the achievers and the ambitious down to size. Success for others makes the socialist uncomfortable, so they must be brought down to size.

Of course, the socialist wants to take your money because they are lazy and mediocre. But there’s more to it than that. If you do something, or even threaten to do something, you are humiliating the poor, old lefty. You are making them look stupid. Socialists often deceive themselves that they are intelligent, or at least not stupid.

They take your money, because they want to spend it. They also take your money, because they want everyone to have nothing, and be happy. The alternative is being humiliating routinely.

Sir Robert Muldoon government, which was New Zealand’s worst government until this one, still scored 35% of the vote in 1984 (admittedly under FPP).

I suspect that the socialist constituency for failure and poverty has base support of about 45% of voters.

I predict that the next election will be close.
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August 8, 2022 6:30pm
rockape

What matters in reality is the change in vote since election 2020 and that’s looking bad for Labour.
Labour down 13%
National up 5.4@
ACT up 3.4%
Green up 1.1 %
Left leaning down 11.9 %
Right leaning up8.8%
Interesting days and had the poll been taken after the National conference I suspect Nats would be higher and the others, including ACT lower.
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August 8, 2022 6:47pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Labour are on the slide, from now on two things are predictable:
  1. Dirty politics from the Labour spin machine will continue and get nastier; and
  2. As Labour slide, the red rat supporters of Liebore, will jump to the Watermelon Greens
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:03pm
jon

The tide has well and truly turned and Cindy and co know it!
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August 8, 2022 7:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder how long “Stuff” will keep this story on the front of its website.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129513710/auditorgeneral-raises-concerns-about-accountability-in-three-waters-plan
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August 8, 2022 7:23pm
- wilderbeast
  
  As I understand it Maggy only until they get a call from the PM’s comms team. Apparently they hold a regular meeting vetting headlines in the MSM and make calls to the editor where these reflect badly on Labour. I heard this from a senior journalist.
  
  On the issue of tonight’s poll or more to the point how it was “explained” by TV1. Apparently, according to Jessica Mutch, Labour and Jacinda’s dive in popularity can be put down to the trifling matters of “people feeling grumpy in winter” and “mishandling of the living costs payment”. No mention of 3 waters, co-governance, inflation, covid rules etc etc.
  
  As for the Uffindale issue I thought the guy was a douche bag from the moment I saw him and it does amaze me how some real out of touch clowns get ahead in the National Party (Jamie LR, Aaron Gilmore). However….so what? This is another test of Luxon for mine and nothing less than “he made a mistake in the past, he’s done his time and I back him” will do. Prevaricating will just draw it out and sacking him will just vindicate the shabby hit job it is. Funny how the MSM haven’t found a dodgy past amongst the multitude of Labour MPs we’ve had since 2017….
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:07pm
Maggie Pie

Wonder if Clint will be able to sustain an erection tonite?
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August 8, 2022 7:59pm
- blue collar
  
  If only it wasn’t a blue pill ….
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:03pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Probably not up to your standards 🙂
  
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  August 8, 2022 8:05pm
westernScientist

A pretty good and entertaining description of what is going on with the ridiculous fert rules in Canada, but they are being implemented here too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMG4kuEN_kM
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