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Another day, another self-appointed spokesperson for all maori people attacks white colonialists for culturally appropriating “their” language. Dr Byron Rangiwai bleats in yesterday’s Stuff story about his horror at the soundtrack featuring te Reo during Princess Diana’s (or as he calls her, the “white Christian princess”) bulimia portrayal in The Crown as racist, colonialist etc etc.

Te Reo is supposedly an official language of New Zealand (“Aotearoa”) but it can only be used freely by the self-claimed “maori” citizens of our land? It’s totally useless as an official language if only a tiny minority of the population can freely use it.
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August 7, 2022 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  Great . Now all the virtue signallers in govt , ngo’s , media , advertising etc can drop using their one or two words and phrases , designed in their own minds to show them to uber “inclusive”, with it , and sooooo much better than “red necks” who don’t , but which is actually ,according to the in the know types ,racist.
  
  I for one welcome getting back to normal .
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:45am
- Nickc2
  
  It beats me why Non-Maori would want to use it. IMO, it serves no purpose other than to virtue signal.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:02am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Did Dr Rangiwai culturally appropriate his(?) PhD from a colonialist racist education system that had been imposed on him?
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:10am
  - Swifty
    
    He positively reeks from the hypocrisy.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Who knows?
    
    But by scanning his Ph.D abstract, it would seem he’s been able to blend multiple cultures/religions into his belief system.
    
    I am a syncretist: I blend religious ideas that shape my faith.
    
    https://ourarchive.otago.ac.nz/handle/10523/9847
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:55am
    - Jack5
      
      Rangiwai’s syncretism parallels “Chrislam”, a tiny movement that sprang up first in Nigeria and apparently tries to merge Christianity and Islam.
      
      Can the many gods of the Polynesians be put into some sort of religion alongside Jesus Christ, Jehovah, and, who knows, Islam’s Prophet and the deities of Hinduism?
      
      Some of Otago University’s departments are becoming dubious. Think of the internally warring peace studies department. Then of a former trade unionist, a Labour-Maori activist, teaching entrepreneurship.
      
      Of most concern are the Maori committee which apparently vets all research projects and the race-based entry to some medical courses.
      
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      August 7, 2022 11:33am
      - Jack5
        
        Since that post I’ve delved into the conclusions in Rangiwai’s thesis (from about page 252).
        
        It’s interesting even for us theology-sceptics, and thank you Maggy Wassilieff.
        
        The Kiwiblog poster Black with a Vengeance sometimes gives us echoes from this Polynesian religious world that Rangiwai talks of in this way:
        
        Tohunga-led research into karakia tahito [ancient chants] is needed. Having said that, there will be specific limitations regarding the tapu surrounding this knowledge and the skill level in te reo Maori required to read and comprehend such research.
        
        We’re striking old divides again, as with Maori knowledge versus science. Can a valid religion be developed by merger in the modern world when some of its core will be secret and non-written?
        
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        August 7, 2022 12:08pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Ovymoron: valid religion.
        
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        August 7, 2022 3:15pm
    - crikey
      
      Once upon a time we called such people bullshit artists.
      
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      August 7, 2022 4:50pm
- bennerg
  
  OK, time to demand that English be established as the “primary” language of New Zealand, to be used first in all matters, as it is the one language we know every citizen can comprehend, and has a huge worldwide comprehension. Ensure that every student at schools in New Zealand have a high degree of competency with English first.
  
  Relegate Te Reo as a cultural asset for those so inclined, and sign language only where an alternative (a friend or family member there to translate – a written version) is not available.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:19am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    bennerg bro – I have started a petition to make sign language the “primary” language of NZ because most of the sheeple don’t open their mouth and talk against this useless wasteful gummit. So they may as well not talk.
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You need to understand sign language to understand the idiot Ardern
      
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      August 7, 2022 11:42am
    - Paulus
      
      Sadly possibly too late, –
      However as I have said before “how can you learn another language in New Zealand if you can not speak English first ?”
      
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      August 7, 2022 1:25pm
- graham
  
  If Dr Byron Rangiwai doesn’t want a white man such as myself to use the Maori language, I’m quite happy to oblige.
  
  And I would strongly encourage all white newsreaders, council employees, publishers and sign writers to follow suit.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:22am
  - Caine9
    
    If non-Maori shouldn’t use Maori… perhaps he shouldn’t be allowed to use English?
    That would be interesting, if only to follow the logic.
    
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    August 8, 2022 1:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  riffer will be along shortly to put you straight
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:48am
  - Jack5
    
    😲 What if …. What if Riffer and Batman were at the National Party conference?
    
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    August 7, 2022 3:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Taking notes for the Labour Party?
      
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      August 8, 2022 9:08am
- tavita
  
  On the contrary, I welcome it. Every time the MSM introduces another maori word, or some crown agency comes up with a maori name for itself we need to shout ‘cultural appropriation’ and call these people out for what they are. Refuse to use the A word or any other borrowed word and take the moral high ground. Quote Dr Byron Rangiwai to support your stance.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:57am
  - crikey
    
    It’s time to end the cultural misappropriation of the English language by Maori.
    
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    August 7, 2022 4:55pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Blithering idiocy is now MSM official policy.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:58am
- Ruawai
  
  Not sure why these Maori academics think they speak for all Maori and why they focus solely on their Maori heritage rather than their most likely mixed race heritage.
  
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  August 7, 2022 4:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It seems Dr Byron Rangiwai is unaware of the fact that the London Maori Haka Group – Ngāti Rānana – were commissioned to perform the Haka for “The Crown”.
  
  Charlie Panapa from Ngāti Rānana London Māori Club confirmed to The Spinoff that they were involved in filming the haka scene that features in the trailer. While he was unable to share any specifics about the scene itself, Panapa confirmed it was set during the Prince and Princess of Wales’ 1983 Australasian tour.
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/tv/30-10-2020/the-breakout-star-of-the-new-season-of-the-crown-is-new-zealand
  
  Strange that all the members of that Haka Group weren’t aware of how culturally inappropriate they were.
  
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  August 7, 2022 6:29pm
curry4me

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Would You Register As A Member Of ‘The Independent Coalition’ Party?

Time is short, and the window of opportunity is closing fast… Testing the waters here…for next year. Is it just me…or Would You Register as a Member of ‘The Independent Coalition’ Party? [19:49]
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August 7, 2022 8:05am
- RockyJ
  
  The more rightist parties spring up the more the right vote is split and wasted.
  Put your ego and anger aside and vote Act or National and get this heinous government out.
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:39am
- mandk
  
  No, I have joined Democracy NZ.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Just giving DNZ enough support to split the vote and let Labour back in, we’ll done
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:44am
    - mandk
      
      Why should I support National or ACT, when they behaved so abominably towards people who opposed the vax mandates?
      
      Besides, if the Nats had any sense, they wouldn’t chase the electoral vote in Northland too hard. They would give Matt King a clear run, as they do for Seymour in Epsom. That way, they would be guaranteed 3-5 extra seats in a coalition to rid NZ of Labour and the Greens.
      
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      August 7, 2022 2:31pm
      - Ruawai
        
        Because it is better than supporting the party that enforced them and is the only way of getting Labour out of power.
        
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        August 7, 2022 4:24pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yet your stupidity will let the very rotten nasty government that forced mandates on you, bugger off, I sick of hearing you fools blaming the opposition for this government’s deeds
        
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        August 7, 2022 4:37pm
      - mandk
        
        @ Ruawai
        
        National, being Labour-lite, would have enforced them too.
        
        ACT also supported the mandates.
        
        So, as far as I am concerned, I wish for pox on both their houses.
        
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        August 7, 2022 5:41pm
      - rockape
        
        Funny since King left National the party membership there has nearly trembled in fact it has the highest per capital in NZ.
        
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        August 8, 2022 5:03pm
  - crikey
    
    Good on you for wasting yourvote.
    
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    August 7, 2022 4:57pm
- Ghost
  
  These small parties are just a wasted voted that won’t ever get into parliament. I also cannot stand people that want to stand for local politics with the intention of also standing for national while in local. If you aren’t prepared to commit to what you are standing for, for the full term, then don’t.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:27am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    “These small parties are just a wasted voted that won’t ever get into parliament”
    
    The is just ridiculously circular: because they won’t get into Parliament, we shouldn’t vote for any minor party, because they won’t get into Parliament. How bad do things have to get before you even attempt to do anything different?
    
    I understand why you say this, and I’m not saying that any particular party is the way to go, but what exactly is the alternative? Bend over and hold your ankles for the rest of your life because doing something else is too uncertain? Enjoy getting screwed then.
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      You have a choice, vote for act or national and see a government change, vote for these parties that will not get into parliament and enjoy another 3 years of Jacinda.
      
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      August 7, 2022 2:23pm
  - curry4me
    
    If he stands for parliament, he’ll resign from council. Assuming he makes it. He’s not Jim Anderton 2.0
    
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    August 7, 2022 6:30pm
- rouppe
  
  As long as it was clear that it isn’t a front for whack jobs.
  
  Like the Freedom and Rights Coalition. Sounds great who doesn’t want freedom and their rights protected.
  
  Except its fronted by Brian Tamaki and Destiny Church. Fails the whack job test
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:40am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Explain why you believe Tamaki “whack job”? I suspect that you read this on Stuff or the telly told you so.
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:04pm
- tavita
  
  Please understand that our best chance of getting the country out of this mess is to support the ACT party. David Seymour has done some stupid things, but he has put together a credible party that comes closest to representing my views and I think the views of most of the active people on this blog. Let Luxton woo the woke – we need their vote. We need a strong ACT to point the resulting government in the right direction and drive the recovery.
  
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  August 7, 2022 11:11am
  - Lee C
    
    Agreed, Tavita.
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:19am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , the upcoming general election will be too important for the future of this country to lose .
      
      Splitting the vote for very minor right parties will only help the left .
      
      Party vote Act to keep the Nats honest and save this country from a terrible fate.
      
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      August 7, 2022 11:53am
curry4me

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August 7, 2022 8:06am
Nukuleka

I see that the Royal New Zealand Ballet’s new production of the Cinderella story is ‘breaking new ground’ by featuring a gay relationship between two of the princes. You really have to wonder about the mindset of those making such decisions about an art form such as ballet which is already stigmatized about being for sissies! If ever there was an enterprise which would benefit from an injection of male heterosexual testosterone you would think it would be ballet. But clearly not the Royal New Zealand Ballet! Men dancing in tights falling in love with each other is their idea of ‘breaking new ground’. Heaven’s preserve us!
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August 7, 2022 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  Defund them.
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:24am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It could be made even more contemporary by having the lead princes in gorilla suits…
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If I was forced to watch the RNZ Ballet (it’s not something I would choose to do), I would prefer to view men in tights leaping about rather watching young women in tutus tottering on their toe tips.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZWroLDFCAQ
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:49am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Do you play ‘Spot the Ball’ Maggy?
    
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    August 7, 2022 9:29am
    - kowtow
      
      The daily fail has a story about an Eyetie runner whose tackle came loose .
      
      The comments are a hoot.
      
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      August 7, 2022 10:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Some regard male dancing as effeminate, but don’t include among the “some” Cossacks, or the old-days Highlanders prancing above crossed swords. Even haka is a dance, according to Wikipedia.
        
        Footwork enhanced by dancing workouts would benefit many sportsmen.
        
        As for ballet, wouldn’t it be a privilege for a young man to work intimately with shapely female dancers?
        
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        August 7, 2022 12:32pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Maggy, I saw the RNZ Ballet preform Romeo & Juliet at Saddlers Wells in London in the late 1990s. It was an honest interpretation & was very good.
    
    In an effort to broaden our son’s cultural awareness (because he is most certainly not getting it at school with the modern NZ curriculum), we were booked to go and see this production of Cinderella by the RNZ Ballet. That was until we learned that they had butchered the story line with the modern woke agenda.
    
    Sadly, both the Ballet and symphony orchestra are funded by NZ on Air, and so will be prone to undue influence as to the content of their production. Although there will not have been direct govt influence, the reality is such outcomes are a result of government policy or the vacuum created by the foolishness of the clowns in charge.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:46am
- Prince
  
  Art in NZ has ceased to exist. It is now inevitably funded by Govt and designed to educate the public on the benefits of socialism, sexual diversity and Maori supremacy.
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:55am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    It is often claimed that art is meant to challenge the viewer. It may well do this, but only incidentally. I think that art at its core is really an aesthetic activity wherein contemplation of beauty elevates and leads to transcendence of what is “given” to the person contemplating the object.
    
    Modernism in all its manifestations is meant to repudiate the past and tradition in the name of “progress,” particularly a rejection of the idea of “restrictive” forms and genres. Modern art, and even more so postmodern art, is a self-conscious rejection of beauty and a substitution for oppressive and dehuminising ugliness. It’s fundamentally anti-aesthetic. On top of that, it doesn’t even “challenge” the viewer in any way any more (except to challenge them to not vomit), and is really just hyper-conformist politically orthodox propaganda. Garbage, in other words.
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:23pm
- Paulus
  
  Perhaps this is why people donot go to the Ballet any more.
  I have enjoyed, for many years, traditional, and some contemporary, ballet but would not spend my money on such as they have now.
  Except we taxpayers will continue to support it as being the in thing.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  Nuku, Rudolf Nureyev apparently batted for both sides but didn’t scream it from the rooftops.
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:06am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I don’t support the woke agenda, but would oppose those taking a cheap shot at Ballerinos.
  
  Easy targets – know a RNZB Ballerino – masculine red blooded man. But easier to stereotype than a man that plays rugby.
  
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  August 7, 2022 12:20pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    We know what really goes on in the locker room.
    
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    August 7, 2022 3:15pm
Tricati

CTU economist, Craig Renney, says that Nationals tax figures don’t add up. Surprize, surprize from the governments most ardent supporter.
How come the CTU economist hasn’t commented on the government borrowing $86 million per day, or around $3.5 Million per hour and we still have a shambles in Education, Health, social housing, child poverty and not to mention race relations.
If National keep getting critiqued on their tax policy, they should just say ‘it’s hard to cement in the figures giving the amount of daily debt the government is racking up’ – Then give actual examples of wasteful spending (cycle bridges, Poly Tech cost over-runs & CEO MIA, 3 waters, cost of living allowance etc).
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August 7, 2022 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  Asa matter of interest I watched tv3 “news” to see if/how they’d cover the Nat conference .
  
  The only matter they covered from it was this tax business , and as you say they gave a trade unionist the say on it .
  Surely there were other matters covered at the conference ?
  
  Anyway the way I see it it was just yet another poor piece of “journalism” designed to attack the Opposition.
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:49am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Renney’s just upset he wasn’t made National Party president
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:57am
- Prince
  
  I’ve yet to see, from Labour, exactly how and when their current borrowing of $86M per day will be turned around.
  Can we just go on expecting others to pay for our lifestyle ?
  What funding are they going to cut ?
  What extra taxes do they have planned ?
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:58am
  - nathie
    
    Very good points, would also like to see the MSM start questioning Ardern and Robertson on how long they intend to keep borrowing at that rate because it can’t go on indefinitely (let alone another year).
    
    Something will have to give and it is only a matter of time – I think NZers deserve to know the answers because Labour’s present settings are determining our future (and it won’t be a good one)!
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The rotten media tried to tie Luxon down over tax costs yesterday saying it will cost 12 billion, Luxon rightfully said that is not true, we had a peer reviewed look at this and that is not true, rotten union saying over three years the cost is this, yet the Nats figure was of 1.6 billion a year
  
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  August 7, 2022 11:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    Since when has the CTU been known to tell the truth about anything eh?
    The Labour Party is the Political Wing of the CTU (established, populated, and funded).
    
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    August 7, 2022 1:10pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Foster thought it was the ABs most improved game of the year.
Which game was he watching?
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August 7, 2022 8:26am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  For how much longer will Te Ao Maori want to be associated with the All Blacks…?
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:44am
  - Opie
    
    The performances of the abs are a feature of the addition of te ao Maori, not a bug
    
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    August 7, 2022 1:09pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I note that England’s “The Daily Telegraph” referred to the game’s venue as Nelspruit. People like me know where Nelspruit is. Mombuela, or whatever it is called; we have no idea.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My google machine says it is ‘mombela’ Someone trying to push ‘native’ stuff into the media?
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:00am
    - MCōs
      
      North Shore City no longer exists.
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:36pm
    - mawm
      
      It’s Mbombela. Nelspruit was renamed years ago as much else has.
      
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      August 7, 2022 5:32pm
  - PeeJay
    
    SA has been changing names for a while now. Sometimes the change takes hold immediately, such as Port Elizabeth being called Gqeberha since last year, sometimes it takes time, Nelspruit was changed to Mbombela around 2010 or so and is slowly being known as the latter, and sometimes it gets renamed but never takes hold – Johannesburg, Pretoria and Durban have all been renamed but the change hasn’t really caught on and the ‘colonialist’ names still show on maps. Some places like Cape Town will probably never be renamed due to the international status of the name.
    
    For what it’s worth, the name changes usually have broad support and are usually consulted on, sometimes even with competitions to come up with a suitable name. With circa 80% of the population african by ethnicity, no surprise that the new names are more african than european.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:27am
  - MCōs
    
    The Daily Telegraph probably still refers to the Empire Games.
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  The ABs should have played their last fifteen minutes first.
  Start with a rush, get on top, then dominate and call the shots.
  The Yarpies were always going to be hard to beat on their home turf and IMO, we gave them most of the game time to do it.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:45am
  - MCōs
    
    South Africa thought of that first and Ireland before them.
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:45pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Give each member of the squad a most improved player certificate.
  Fozzie’s leadership is all about aspiration so we dont need to measure results. It reminds me of a leader of a nation that keeps getting its arse handed to it every single day but lets not worry about the results.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  But who had the best looking hair?
  Any rainbow stripes?
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:02am
  - Tricati
    
    Or coloured boots – It seems looks and wokeness is more important to them now than playing footy.
    Richie McCaw’s, Black Boots only doctrine set a standard that is sorely missing at present.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:52am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Capt The problem with the ABs is too much money and too much stardom. The players are put on a pedestal and told they are Gods gift.
  You and I can remember back to the great days when the players left the farm the meatworks the office and pulled on the jersey for a small daily allowance. They played for pride NOT for dollars.
  IMHO the game is stuffed.
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:09am
  - edhunter
    
    Jesus build a bridge, you’re harking back to a time almost 50yrs ago, there have been some great All Black teams in that time since, some might say the greatest. But there are always dips and troughs, remember the 90’s?(96 being the exception)the AB’s will bounce back, they always have and always will. Not with Foster at the helm obviously but they will be back.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:46am
  - Colville
    
    and yet the “overpaid” ABs were routed by a team of superstars that are paid around five times as much…
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:55am
  - pdm
    
    lastman -they played a test Saturday, a club match Sunday and back at work Monday.
    
    Maybe we should return to that ethic.
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:33am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Seems the nostalgia goggles are on. Yes there were the true amateur players you mention. But remember it was in this era that Auckland dominated NZ rugby with its team full of ‘amateurs ’ in cushy jobs eg sales reps for breweries that allowed them plenty of time off to practice.
      
      The All Blacks will be good when the team puts the game before themselves. This includes the coach and the CEO. They don’t have that right at the moment .
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:25pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I am reminded of Bill Payn.
      
      A master at Durban High School for 38 years, ultimately lending his name to a school house.
      
      Payn played rugby for Natal and South Africa. Cricket for Natal.
      
      In 1922 he ran the Comrades Ultra marathon finishing 8th (smaller field in those days), Payn ran the race in Rugby boots. School Legend maintained that he played rugby the following day in tennis shoes because his feet were sore.
      
      Built them tough in those days.
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:41pm
  - MCōs
    
    If those ABs from the amateur days fronted up now they would go down by fifty points, particularly with brown skinned players not allowed to tour SA.
    Colin Meads was only a couple of inches taller than Beuden Barrett & far shorter than Jordie. Brodie Retallick is five inches taller. 6’-8”
    
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    August 7, 2022 1:01pm
- jon
  
  Cant always blame the coach but a good start would be the departure of Foster and install Scott Robertson, who at least could hardly do any worse than the disappointments in recent times. Robertson is fit and looks like a credible coach to boot!
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:30am
  - pdm
    
    jon – putting the best 15 on the field would be a good start.
    
    Ta’avao at tighthead was always going to fail.
    Akira Ioane was the invisible man again.
    Cane – enough said.
    
    In the backs Mo’unga mast start at 10 and Jordan at fullback. With Goodhue and ALB injured we are sadly deficient at centre – maybe put Fainga’anuku there because he was good there at the Crusaders.
    
    Whitehead captain.
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:39am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Pretty close to the mark pdm. Ta’avao couldn’t hold his side up at scrum time against Ireland and Foster expected him to be better against South Africa? This is one of Fosters problems. He seems to think he’s Mr Talent Identification Guy. And picks Ta’avao, Tupaea, Clark and Taukei’aho who are fine players. At provincial level and better than average at Super level. But imho they aren’t currently test quality. And after losing to Ireland, he doesn’t pick Taylor at all and has Vaa’i as reserve lock. Now Vaa’i is a very big lad and a decent footy player. But a test player he is currently not. Willemse is quick, but would never have caught Reese from behind like he did Clark. Clark is a big blockbusting player. But a test winger? Hmmm. I reckon his consistent selection of players who are not the best in their positions or selection of players who are the best in their position at other positions smacks of someone that has no real idea what he is doing. A similar thing happened under John Mitchell.
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:31pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Do you mean Whitelock?
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:38pm
    - MCōs
      
      In my opinion the selectors are going to have to look at players resident offshore.
      Won’t that put the cut among the pigeons, but the best player today plies his trade in Japan. Best by far.
      
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      August 7, 2022 1:04pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Well Captain, if he had been referring to Savea, I might have said yep. I thought Savea was outstanding. Again, and following up a succession of outstanding games. I have to say as a rider, four years ago or so I thought he was an imposter. But he seemed to get what it meant to be an AB, got fitter, his work rate went through the roof. He is now an absolute brute who just never says die. The only bad thing I can say about him is that he doesn’t play for Canterbury!!
  
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  August 7, 2022 12:35pm
RockyJ

To me Ian Foster’s glib remarks after the latest All Black loss are symptoms of a lot of what is wrong with our country at the moment.
Claiming this was the best effort this year and how important it is for All Blacks to play with smiles on their faces reflects the modern, soft approach to motivation that has become our society’s norm.
It is kindness in action. Richie McCaw was reported as disinterested in his team-mates personal lives. He got results. Kieran Read had an much more empathetic, humanistic approach. The slide started with him.
These guys are paid a fortune to perform. The team and culture need a clean out.
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August 7, 2022 8:27am
- Nookin
  
  Do not despair, Rocky. Foster has achieved a level of mediocrity of sufficient consistency as to qualify for a senior position in the Labour Party. Shoulder tapping is imminent.
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They seem to be similar to the R. T. Rower Public sector. Just turn up looking tidy and get paid.
  Positive results are irrelevant.
  The mighty All Blacks have become pussies
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bring back Buck
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bit of blood now, stop, medics, have a cuddle….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItPmdSpBamk
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:18am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    This was an improved performance, the boks scored 2 opportunistic trys and we missed at least 2. Time to stick with a starting lineup. The glaring mistakes for me were the 2 penalities given away by Frizzel and Dane Coles just after they came on, that is a coaching matter because both players have the propsensity to “fire up” unnecessarily. On another night things would have gone Jordan’s way, our midfield and pack generally were better and were strong going into the half. We might all be armchair experts but most know when passes stick confidence builds and the ABs were dogged in their determination.
    
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    August 7, 2022 1:13pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Fair comments Brian
      
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      August 7, 2022 3:39pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      No doubt we are armchair experts Brian! However, passes haven’t stuck in pretty much any of the AB’s games under Foster against tier 1 opponents. There are a couple of glaring things (1) our backs look lack lustre, appear to have been given instructions to kick the ball away constantly and have been given no strategy to defeat a rush defence and (2) every time we go on the field with any combo of Ta’avao, Bower, Tu’ungafasi and Lomax, our scrum is an accident waiting to happen. These lads might well become better, but do it in Super Rugby rather than test matches where a wobbly scrum loses you games.
      
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      August 7, 2022 4:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The CTU is very concerned that if Nats become the next Government and instigate tax cuts, there won’t be enough money coming in to run the country.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/national-s-promise-of-tax-cuts-raises-questions-over-how-it-would-afford-them.html

But we never seem to hear the CTU expressing concern about the cost to Working NZers of some of the unproductive “feel-good” schemes that Labour supports.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/08/06/more-money-for-musicians-but-sepuloni-isnt-saying-how-much-because-they-say-the-last-lot-was-successfully-spent/#more-17013
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August 7, 2022 8:32am
- Swifty
  
  Notice how the CTU mouthpiece frames all government activity as ‘essential services’.
  
  That’s the biggest lie ever told right there.
  
  I could slash NZ government spending by billions annually, in the blink of an eye, and the average New Zealander wouldn’t notice a thing – except their taxes being lowered.
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:46am
  - PeeJay
    
    I know a few folks in local and central government jobs. The issue is never the front line folks – the nurses, police etc are always too few and poorly paid for the work they have to do. They do a good job, often in trying circumstances.
    
    The problem is the support structure and the bloated middle and senior management. The entire system has become a kind of middle-class welfare. Extremely well paid jobs, no performance requirements, limited productivity and all reinforced by consultants and contractors quite content with getting juicy fees or projects. The remuneration reviews for the middle & senior management are led by ‘independent’ consultants, which surprise-surprise, always recommend hefty pay rises, with future contracts for rubber stamping reviews and business cases contingent on favourable remuneration recommendations – completely independent (yeah right). Audits are always tick boxes and the rort continues.
    
    It seems that when we have a Labour government, the sector grows significantly and when we get a National government, the sector pauses at best.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:38am
    - Swifty
      
      Mate, there are whole ministries, whole functions, that could go and no-one would miss them – except the staff concerned and the recipients of the taxpayer money they dole out.
      
      Top of my list right now is the Human Rights Commission.
      
      Not only are they just a lefty policy and ideas manufacturer, in doing so saving Labour from having to do the hard yards, they have betrayed New Zealanders, weekly it seems, by demanding more and more state intervention in our private lives – abrogating one of the most significant ACTUAL human rights and not just one of the recently made up ones – that of the human right to be as free as possible from state coercion in our lives, irrespective of purpose.
      
      Defund them. Throw the lot of them out on the street!
      
      If they feel so strongly about so-called human rights advocacy let them do it on their own dime and in their own time.
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:54pm
    - Paulus
      
      Many year ago I was appointed as CEO of an embrionic company in Wellington.
      At the first Director’s meeting I was told my contract would be annually reviewed by a major Appointment Company.
      A couple of years later I was told the perhaps this should be reviewed as my package now was as much as the Chairman, who in turn was a GM of a public company in Auckland.
      All I said that under the points system they introduced, the new car I wanted happened to be the same as the Chairman’s (I did not know that at the time) new one too.
      I graciously acceeded (naturally) and took another make.
      I was there 14 years.
      
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      August 7, 2022 2:00pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Swifty, some years back, only 17% of the NZ workforce was unionised. And 80% of them were Government employees. So if you are wondering why the CTU claims “essential services” there you have it. Unions these days are just parasites, just about everything they ever stood for has been legislated, so why the hell do they still exist (well, other than to collect money for the Labour Party)?
    
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    August 7, 2022 4:39pm
- Warren
  
  Why would it surprise anyone coming from a CTU Pommy Economist that seem to like spouting there hate after immigrating to our Country and reported by a Tova O’Brien clone political Journalist Emelia Wade from Newshub.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:07am
  - stewmar
    
    Warren, Why aren’t there any born and bred New Zealanders doing these jobs?
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:03pm
- Swifty
  
  “This study aims to demonstrate a viable alternative approach that enhances soil health, has a lower environmental footprint, reduces water use, complements the mātauranga Māori (knowledge) of Māori landowners, and is financially profitable,” O’Connor said.“
  
  Then this isn’t a scientific investigation?
  
  He says he wants to compare two farming systems but that he wants the trial to show, irrespective of the scientific results, that his preferred system is (more) successful?
  
  Isn’t that pre-determining the outcome?
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:20am
- double d
  
  Amusing the CTU would be asked to comment on anything. 19th century ideology oozes from every pore of this organisation as they march in lockstep with Labour policy, the funding of the political party depending on the closely aligned narratives.
  For them to have a view that went contrary to Labour policies is impossible as the purpose of trade unions in NZ is a return to the “good old days” of the 1970s – of collective bargaining, strikes and solidarity (another communist term that seems to have entered modern usage again under Ardern) and crippled economies
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:25am
- pdm
  
  `But we never seem to hear the CTU expressing concern about the cost to Working NZers of some of the unproductive “feel-good” schemes that Labour supports.’
  
  Or the imposition of union fees to be passed on to the Labour Party for electioneering purposes.
  
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  August 7, 2022 12:07pm
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/houses/300652056/the-struggle-of-charging-your-ev-when-your-house-has-no-driveway

The idiocy of some people never ends.
Why would you buy an EV when you don’t have a driveway?
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August 7, 2022 8:44am
- Prince
  
  A driveway is a basic right for all New Zealanders. Landlords must provide them (except for Government), employers must pay for them. Vulnerable kiwis deserve no less.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:04am
- edhunter
  
  Why doesn’t his mini fit in his garage?
  Another manufactured scenario to fit a narrative Stuff love to push? Surely not.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:04am
- godruelf
  
  What kind of bullshit garage is it that won’t fit a mini? Or is it full of other crap?
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Prob got his electric jetski in the garage//
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:33am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Probably because you don’t have a working brain either?
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He wants AT to install a charging point on the berm. Why not have AT install charging points for all properties? Who will pay? Ratepayers of course. Why should I subsidise his charging point cost?
  This is the type of idiot votes Labour – everything is FREE!
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:32am
  - Nickc2
    
    We were led to believe people sleeping in their cars were driven by poverty. Wrong, people will be sleeping in their EVs while waiting for a charging station to become available.
    There ya go Cindy, does solve your poverdy problem?
    
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    August 7, 2022 1:07pm
- The Feed
  
  I know that when I buy a car, I insist the council provides me with a petrol pump on the berm outside my house.
  
  Convenient.
  
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  August 7, 2022 11:46am
- Surely Knott
  
  It has a little driveway into his garage. It says in the article that the garage doesn’t fit his car! You can see the garage door in the pic. Is he seriously saying that hobsonville pt townhouse garages don’t fit a mini?! Rubbish. I’d speculate he is using his garage for something other than garaging his car. Clean out your garage and put your car away.
  
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  August 7, 2022 8:12pm
cas

Anyone else get p…d off about the number of so called journalists who can’t do a piece to camera without looking at notes or phone? There are some notable exceptions _ I do rate Lisette Raymer and Michael Morrah – but there are some cringe worthy moments on the news.
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August 7, 2022 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The text is pre written by a spin doctor for them, just like Jaspinda
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:36am
  - Tricati
    
    Or just reading of Twitter.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:58am
- stewmar
  
  And none of the MSM seem to know the difference between singular and plural. Just watch or listen to them some time.
  
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  August 7, 2022 12:06pm
- Biscuit
  
  cas, I cackle with glee/sigh with depair (delete ond as applicable) when watching One Ewes:
  
  Simon Shallow: ‘We cross now to Fresh Faced Reporter A at the scene. (Totally-irrelevant Maori preamble) Fresh Faced Reporter, what’s the latest?’
  Fresh Faced Reporter looks at his/her clearly pre-prepared notes: ‘(Totally-irrelevant Maori preamble) Here’s what we know…’
  We learn nothing new that Simon Shallow couldn’t have read off his autocue…
  
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  August 7, 2022 12:24pm
Yvette

“3 Waters” – it trickles on –

From the 7am David Farrar post, involving the Treaty –
Here the treaty is transformed from an historical document to a sacred text. This mystical transubstantiation takes the treaty into the realm of the spiritual from where it acquires a doctrinal authority – one to be interpreted for we common folk by a new priesthood – treatyist intellectuals.

… and one comment –And that is the clearest interpretation of the Treaty of Waitangi I have ever read.

And for those who had to look up the meaning of –
transubstantiation – the conversion of the substance of the Eucharistic elements into the body and blood of Christ at consecration, only the appearances of bread and wine still remaining.

The establishment of Taumata Arowai is an integral part of the Government’s Three Waters Reform Programme

And Taumata Arowai is governed by a Maori Advisory Board (with Tipa Mahuta as Chair)

with the Fundamental concept – Te Mana o te Wai –
(3) Te Mana o te Wai encompasses 6 principles relating to the roles of tangata whenua and other New Zealanders in the management of freshwater, and these principles inform this National Policy Statement and its implementation. –
(4) The 6 principles are:
(a) Mana whakahaere: the power, authority, and obligations of tangata whenua to make decisions that maintain, protect, and sustain the health and well-being of, and their relationship with, freshwater
(b) Kaitiakitanga: the obligation of tangata whenua to preserve, restore, enhance, and sustainably use freshwater for the benefit of present and future generations
(c) Manaakitanga: the process by which tangata whenua show respect, generosity, and care for freshwater and for others … another three ‘principles’

There you are – water turned into wine
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August 7, 2022 8:52am
ClanMcleod

Losing trust in “the science”.

I commented along these lines on a different post yesterday, that apart from a few outliers (who have been suitably smeared, sacked, deplatformed or in other ways punished) there is cowardice among our health professionals in regard to covid.

Possibly in the first 6 month there was an excuse. Panic, fear, all driven by a deliberate, documented psychological manipulation programme. But after 2 and a half years we now have real world evidence. Why are there not more medical people speaking out?

“What we are seeing is scientific Stalinism. Censorship in the medical profession will end in disaster, but it appears much of the doctorly and scientific caste are cowards.”

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/08/05/losing-trust-in-the-science/

In saying that, hearfelt thanks to those good people at NZDSOS who have stood up and risked everything to try and get the truth out there. They have all been heavily punished. Also to those health professionals who had their careers stolen from them for daring oppose this ludicrous and flawed narrative. They didn’t “lose” their jobs. You lose keys, not careers.
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August 7, 2022 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There seems to be no scientific basis for suggesting that it is the unvaccinated who are spreading the virus.
  
  When it became clear last year that vaccinated folk were catching covid-19 (“breakthrough transmissions”, “leaky vaccines), mandates should have ceased.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:12am
  - otago-man
    
    Mandates are clearly political and not health related
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There is plenty of evidence emerging showing that natural immunity is much stronger than “vaccine” derived immunity.
    
    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/robert-koch-institut-appears-to-agree
    
    In fact, the opposite seems to be happening, the more vaccinated, the more chance of catching covid. It was a vaccine designed for a variant called delta. Vaccinating during a pandemic forces viruses to “leak”.
    This is excellent analysis showing evidence that vaccination is driving the newest variants.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-covid-vaccines-the-superspread
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:06am
  - mawm
    
    There should never have been any mandates.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:06am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      But they are still in place for health workers.
      
      Why isn’t there more borax thrown at the government about this?
      
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      August 7, 2022 11:27am
- I remember when
  
  Indeed, why are we allowing daily covid death figures with no accompanying explanations.
  Do we really believe that the only reason these people died was because they became infected by covid.
  I know that there are privacy reasons but surely it just results in invalid arguments.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It is done to support the current narrative. There is no other reason for doing it the way they do.
    Once you understand that, everything else makes sense. Always remember, the PCR test at the ct of 45 as used in NZ means any results are meaningless.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:20am
  - stewmar
    
    I know that there are privacy reasons but surely it just results in invalid arguments.
    
    The reported deceased’s are all anonymous for gods sake, how can there be any privacy breaches of the anonymous deceased???? go figure.
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:09pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  The answer could be quite simple Clan.
  Maybe medical professionals simply don’t agree with you or your fellow traveller’s views as they tend to be more reason based versus conspiracy based in their thinking hence they are not speaking out.
  Also I suspect they get their information from different sources than you and I doubt if the Dailysceptic is one of them.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:26am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Currently Ross you may be right, but you may be wrong, because who is collecting information to prove one way or the other.
    
    Where’s the survey from MSM asking health professionals what camp they are actually in:
    1. Supporting the Covid vaccine, ongoing schedule of 3-6 monthly jabs
    2. Opposed to the jabs but going along to protect their livelihood
    3. Opposed and currently out of work
    
    Hard to understand why a really good investigative journalist wouldn’t be getting their teeth into finding that out. Would stop it being a shouting match between those who love and support St Jac and those that can’t stand The Jaccinator.
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:34am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Yeah fair enough however even if the MSM actually did that survey would it really solve anything as you say because if it didn’t show what the anti camp wanted they would just resort to the argument that the MSM are corrupt and have been bought off so the results are not to be trusted and we are back at square one.
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:49pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Yes anti and pro are like two deaf men shouting at each other.
        
        There is a massive amount of distrust of MSM due to bias* and who is paying for their story. Bias is particularly an issue when all our publicly and elite funded media channels are left leaning – * I refer to http://www.mediabias.co.nz for this information. Very hard to trust a fair representation around this led by the same channels that are full on advertising Covid vaccines as safe and effective.
        
        The globalists are the ones winning from fragmentation of society and reducing debate to a shouting match.
        
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        August 7, 2022 1:33pm
    - Joely Doe
      
      1. Supporting the Covid vaccine, ongoing schedule of 3-6 monthly jabs
      2. Opposed to the jabs but going along to protect their livelihood
      3. Opposed and currently out of work
      
      I will answer this one as a medical professional:
      2. Opposed to the jabs but going along to protect their livelihood
      If I don’t submit to coerced vaccination, I lose my job and my income.
      
      Don’t give me this bullshit about “choices have consequences”.
      If that were the case than every defendant before a court would simply be told “plead guilty and get x sentence or incarcerated for life – your choice”.
      Choices have consequences after all, no difference.
      
      Coercion is not consent. Never has been and would never get past an Ethics Committee.
      
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      August 7, 2022 1:43pm
    - Sacha
      
      There is plenty of evidence emerging from data collection and studies being conducted overseas. It is readily available for those who want to find it.
      There will be reports and analyses being released for decades to come, but don’t expect the media to release it while their favourite politicians are in power.
      In my opinion this Labour government is dying on its feet. It has lost the pandemic war and apart from announcing new amounts of cash to various causes it is not actually doing anything as the air slowly fizzles out of their balloon.
      In the meantime we all carry on as well as we can.
      
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      August 7, 2022 2:08pm
  - Lee C
    
    Gosh Ross, Does Jacinda know you are acknowledging other sources of truth than her?!?
    
    No wonder the narrative is collapsing all over the place.
    
    You’ll really need to maintain your focus a bit better if you want to stay in the team.
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:35am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      I doubt if medical professionals get their information from Jacinda either as that’s why they went to medical school for the appropriate training something which virtually none of the self professed experts on here have besides the ability to access obscure websites on the internet which support their pre conceived ideas.
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:21pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Ross, it is insufficient for a person to simply be a medical professional in order for their argument to be correct. Professionals get sued for malpractice or for negligence frequently. But on your premise, how can this be? They’re professionals, aren’t they? And professionals are, by your definition, always correct simply on account of their status. Clearly this is demonstrably false. If their argument is incorrect (i.e. isn’t logical or backed by available evidence), then all of the qualifications in the world won’t make them correct.
        
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        August 7, 2022 12:56pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        A GP I know takes his mask off when he has a consultation with the maskless. He knows this is a sham but also knows he will be excommunicated by nz medical council if he puts a foot out of line. So in fact the Medical council is getting its direction from Jacinda, who removed the right to informed consent for medical professionals. Well they could choose but not if they wanted to stay in practice.
        
        Seems like you are haven’t been aware of what is happening Ross?
        
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        August 7, 2022 1:44pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Rodion
        I don’t think anybody ever claimed that just because you are a professional then you are automatically correct.
        The point is if you were building a house and you could choose between a qualified builder or someone who had read about building on the internet who would you choose?
        On the balance of probabilities I know who I would pick.
        
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        August 7, 2022 2:30pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Good for you. An argument from authority is still fallacious though, which is why who makes the argument doesn’t in any way determine its validity, just as who builds your house doesn’t guarantee it will remain standing. The probability of an argument being valid is a different matter entirely than the fact of its validity or otherwise.
        
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        August 7, 2022 3:57pm
      - RichardX
        
        Ross’s original point was medical professionals are better trained to evaluate medical evidence but great strawmanning of his position, especially when you can claim his position is fallacious by using your own fallacy.
        
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        August 7, 2022 6:30pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    “…they tend to be more reason based versus conspiracy based in their thinking.”
    
    If there is a sharp dichotomy between the propositions advanced by “reasonable” people and those advanced by “conspiracy theorists” on the subject of Covid and related matters over the preceding two years, it is that the latter have a far better record with regard to their arguments aligning with reality.
    
    Read 99% of the “conspiracy theories” (i.e. any argument that conflicts with approved narratives) that appear in the KB realm, and they tend to be rationally constructed and obey the rules of logic and of empirical science. You may not like these arguments, but dislike doesn’t get us anywhere in our quest for knowledge.
    
    By contrast the “rationalists” tend to fall back on “experts say…” fallacies in support of their positions. Now you have an opportunity to redress this imbalance, Ross. As representative of the rational camp, please lay out your rational positive case for vaccination, masks and/or whatever other policy prescription you support. I’m sure interest will be high among readers.
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:42pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      I honestly don’t think interest among readers is very high at all but since you ask my position is quite straight forward really.
      I am in favour of the lifting of most Covid restrictions now as I think they are past their use by date and whether they were effective in the first place or not is open to debate depending on your point of view.
      Some aspects of NZ’s Covid response has been rubbish but some of it was also good in my opinion so overall I have mixed feelings about it all.
      However where I differ from a large amount of commenters on here is in relation to conspirational angles which are constantly peddled.
      I have time for people who are anti mandates or anti vax if you have a credible reason but as soon as you start talking about “Great Resets”, UN 2030 agendas, comparing NZ to North Korea,saying Ardern is akin to Stalin and other associated nonsense then you lose all credibility in my eyes and I can’t take you seriously.
      Like it or hate it that’s my position.
      
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      August 7, 2022 2:46pm
    - RichardX
      
      Post hoc ergo propter hoc is also fallacious.
      
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      August 7, 2022 6:26pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The evidence is clear, I don’t need the opinion of “medical experts” who are complicit in the biggest health scandal in history.
    The vaccines don’t work. They injure and kill. Lockdowns don’t work, they injure and kill. You have zero evidence that says otherwise. I have a mountain of evidence to support my contentions.
    
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    August 8, 2022 3:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Hi Ross – I’ve asked you and milkey many times to engage rationally. I’ll try one last time.
    Explain why any of the information I have posted to date is “conspiracy based” and give examples of the “reason based” views you believe that some medical professionals use.
    
    BTW, those medical “professionals” would do well to peruse the Daily Skeptic. It has many, many scientific papers in it.
    Also they are not “anti vax” and never were. They began as critics of lockdown which they claimed wouldn’t work very early in the covid circus. They have proven to be 100% correct.
    
    “Could be”, “maybe” and “I suspect” are pretty weak positions to take. Maybe investigate something properly and come back with some firm opinion and supportive evidence.
    
    Cheers.
    
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    August 8, 2022 8:34am
- mandk
  
  The vax – not safe and not effective.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:26am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Clan we are in agreement on most of this, but differ on a few points:
  
  NZ Health Professionals fall into the same groups as the rest of the country
  – pro the vacinne and mandates
  – pro the vacinne, pro choice
  – ambivalent, go with the flow and eventually the situation will go away
  – anti the vacinne and mandates, did it anyway to keep business, feed the family
  – pro choice and stood up for their principals and had everything- years of study, career, business, etc – stolen from them
  
  So medical people on the whole have been a massive disappointment apart from NZDSOS. But then the same goes for most NZers.
  
  Even now, while most can see through the Emperor’s new clothes, most still wear masks, or their children do at school, and ignore that mandates are still keeping people of principle out of their jobs.
  
  We need to fight to END THE MANDATES please see my post below with link to petition to this effect.
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:55am
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    Link???
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:28am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Sorry Nick, when I wrote below it was just a few items on in the GD thread.
      
      https://www.nzfirst.nz/removemandates
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:30pm
I remember when

Just watched Australia and Argentina play an extra five minutes to see who got a bonus point.
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August 7, 2022 9:04am
I remember when

Ngai Tahu and Government to trial regenerative versus traditional farming. Newshub.
The trial is fine but let’s no ‘over egg’ it.
Because NO-ONE else is doing such trials are they?
So the government is basically indemnifying Ngai Tahu from any loss.
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August 7, 2022 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  Amazing the things a non tax paying ,charitable organisation can get into these days.
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Are votes Koha?
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:30am
I remember when

Is Chris Luxon the most religious politician in Parliament, or just possibly the most obviously Christian.
Don’t Jacinda’s actions confirm that she is the most religiously devout parliamentarian.
Perhaps excluding a number of the ‘Greens’ who are never going to be PM.
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August 7, 2022 9:37am
Maggie Pie

Speaker Trevor shares old school-photo on Twitter….

A number of ex-classmates take time out to respond 😀

https://twitter.com/ocarolant/status/1555113189209153537
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August 7, 2022 9:43am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  He was clearly a fan of Horshack from Welcome Back Kotter
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:01am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  What does it say about Labour voters electing someone who looked like that?
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He used to be crosseyed, now he’s just one-eyed.
  
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  August 7, 2022 12:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I luv the Admiral’s comment Captain…..
    
    calling Trev’s hairstyle the ‘Pube Helmet’ 😀 😀 😀
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:56pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I’m lost again. I’ll ask my partner when she gets home 🙁
      
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      August 7, 2022 1:12pm
Ghost

Is monkeypox a side effect of the jab

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1552658980085944321

https://twitter.com/shmuelcshapira
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August 7, 2022 9:54am
- Ghost
  
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/israeli-covid-vaccine-director-physically-injured-pfizer-vaccine-locked-twitter-suggesting-link-monkeypox-outbreak-mrna-vaccines/
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:03am
  - Matt Long
    
    Are partner hopping gay men more likely to take mRNA vaccines? If it was the vax wouldn’t it be affecting cis gender or normal people?
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:43am
    - Ghost
      
      I think Prof. Shmuel Shapira is qualified enough to make such a statement
      
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      August 7, 2022 12:24pm
iMP

From the National Conference Day 3.
The Nats are looking and feeling in good mettle in Chch; their policy kites and candidates are looking like a credible Alternative in waiting. Still a year to go, but a pretty focussed and motivated bunch in good morale is what I’m seeing at Te Pae. 650-700 present.

Judith Collins appears to have been fully forgiven and is back on form. Like Bill E after 2002
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August 7, 2022 9:56am
- Nukuleka
  
  It’s the Christchurch Convention Centre not The Pie.
  
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  August 7, 2022 9:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Well said.
    
    use of maori is now clearly a political action .
    
    Time to push back.
    
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    August 7, 2022 10:35am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I predict it will be referred to as Te Pae. For the same reason we have Te Papa in Wellington. It is easy to pronounce.
    
    For the same reason the sports centre will never be referred to as Parakiore. Too hard.
    
    The hot pools are He Puna Tai Moana. I can pronounce it but it takes too long. 🙁 When I ask my partner if she wants to go to the pools she knows what it means.
    
    However the champion award in absurdity goes to the Transmission Gully motorway. “Te Ara Nui o Te Rangihaeata”. Yeah that will catch on. 🤡
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:05am
    - MCōs
      
      Does anyone refer to any of State Highways by name once they’re part of the road network?
      
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      August 7, 2022 1:17pm
    - Sacha
      
      Wellington also has Te Kaketini –
      
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      August 7, 2022 2:16pm
  - Joely Doe
    
    Most I am hearing around town, simply call it ‘the poo’, as it resembles a steaming turd dropped in the middle of the city.
    
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    August 7, 2022 1:51pm
Chris R

Something odd has happened overnight I suspect. It is now past 10am and there is not one critical comment of Christopher Luxon at the BFD nor a session of Winston worshipping at the expense of Nat/ACT.
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August 7, 2022 10:05am
- H. Upmann
  
  Are they still having a Peters love-in?
  I stopped going there the day they banned free speech (March 2020 I think): no criticising NZ First, no criticising Peters, no criticising the Coalition of Losers Government as it was then, plus some other hypocrisy. Cancelled (modest) monthly subscription and gone the same day.
  
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  August 7, 2022 11:40am
Lucia Maria

Recorded phone call from a distraught father to a NZ pharmacy after his son ends up in hospital a few days after being injected on their premises. The mother was not warned of the potential side-effects and the father is incredulous that despite being told of what happened, they will continue to not warn parents because they “might scare them”.

Vigilant Fox Substack
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August 7, 2022 10:11am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Meanwhile, 14yo girl dies of a heart attack at Gilda Kirkpatrick’s local rugby field.
  
  Twitter
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I am on record here as saying that the risks of the vaccine do not warrant vaccinating young people for covid. However sudden cardiac death in teenagers does occur. It is usually congenital and occurs at a rate of between 6 and 10 per 100000.
    
    https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/child-dies-sudden-cardiac-death-pediatricians-worst-nightmare/
    
    If that rate increases, that will be a cause for alarm.
    
    Very tragic for her family and friends.
    
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    August 7, 2022 11:18am
- ByGolly
  
  The supposed pharmacist can barely string a sentence together in English.. astounding.
  
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  August 7, 2022 10:51am
- kevn
  
  @Lucia… Follow the money. Just how great are the cash incentives for jabbing?
  
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  August 7, 2022 3:12pm
jon

First 100 days for both Act and Nats in govt, haven’t any mention of putting legislation in place, to rid us of Maori wards, in local govt!
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August 7, 2022 10:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think I would make a bad politician but I would love a job as an advisor to an ACT Minister in a new government. I guess those jobs are all tied up by long term staffers and such. 😐
  
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  August 7, 2022 11:23am
  - curry4me
    
    You’re right, they absolutely are.
    
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    August 7, 2022 6:55pm
- MCōs
  
  I would suggest those parties know better than alienate people who, while they are never likely to vote for them might boost the numbers of the Māori Party giving them an out of proportion presence in parliament.
  
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  August 7, 2022 1:27pm
- iMP
  
  You mean like Whanganui, Taupo, Rangitikei, Petone, Oamaru? Words like that?
  
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  August 7, 2022 1:38pm
Handyman

Today New Zealand overtook Australia as the highest per capita covid deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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August 7, 2022 10:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Lucky we had the elimination strategy. Things could have been a lot worse. Jacinda said this last week. 🤡
  
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  August 7, 2022 11:20am
  - Yvette
    
    Benedict Yu – Lucky we had the elimination strategy
    
    You may jest, Benedict, but the real luck was that by the time circumstances forced ew Zealand to finally face covid, it was the Omicron variant,
    Had it still been Delta, Maori and Pacifika elders in particular would likely have died in hundreds, like Italy and Spain.
    Sheer unforeseen LUCK.
    
    If ever there is a massive thunderstorm with killer lightning, the safest place would be to stand beside Jacinda! – much as it pains me to suggest that
    
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    August 7, 2022 12:13pm
    - kevn
      
      @Yvette… Teflon Woman?
      
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      August 7, 2022 1:06pm
    - mawm
      
      Yvette – I’m sure masks and social distancing would have saved us all. //s
      
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      August 7, 2022 6:09pm
Pineapple Lumps

PETITION TO GET RID OF MANDATES FOR FRONTLINE HEALTH WORKERS

Act and National should be driving this, don’t let your views of Peters stop you from standing up against mandates, already over 20,000 signatures.

https://www.nzfirst.nz/removemandates
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August 7, 2022 10:46am
- Yvette
  
  Given that two injection were required and a booster shot to be fully vaccinated and a second booster is now recommended for more vulnerable people, can anyone now define “Fully Vaccinated” and actually give a simple percentage of how many New Zealanders now fit that definition “Fully Vaccinated”?
  And we all seem to have been vaccinated – those who have – for the Alpha strain of covid.
  
  So does any of it matter
  And so what of any remaining mandates?
  
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  August 7, 2022 12:03pm
- kevn
  
  @P L… The German Hospital Federation are calling for an end to jab mandates. Full article on
  dailytelegraph.co.nz
  
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  August 7, 2022 1:00pm
Colville

Two articles about National on Stuff.
Both closed for comments in a heartbeat. One with 7 comments the other with circa 20 comments.

How terrified of National is Stuff? they really dont want normal people to have a voice that is for sure.
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August 7, 2022 11:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The real reason they want you to hate Donald Trump.
(202o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeaAuOJDly4
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August 7, 2022 11:21am
Master Mariner

Finally a bit of critical reporting about RBNZ “Great Cash Splash” and unintended consequences.
“”One of the first focus points was the misdiagnosis of what was happening. And I think for me when I go back, and it’s important that we all reflect on what we said at the time, I was very, very clear that this was a liquidity crisis. It wasn’t particularly a credit crisis, it was not a business cycle recession or depression, yet that’s how it was being treated.”
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/117054/top-leader-raf-manji-says-inquiry-rbnzs-covid-19-response-could-help-establish

Never has so much been spent for SFA results.
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August 7, 2022 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good speech by Luxon

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/full-speech-christopher-luxon-reveals-the-nz-he-wants-at-national-party-s-annual-conference.html

Some highlights:
New Zealanders don’t need the Government to tell them to be kind.

We need the Government to tell us when we’ll get an appointment at the hospital.

We need the Government to keep us safe from gangs and street violence.

We need the Government to get kids back to school.
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Labour cannot deliver anything.
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These are economic and social failures under Jacinda Ardern’s watch, yet she never holds herself or her ministers accountable for them.

It’s shameful.
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The election is going to be incredibly tight. Labour knows we’re back and they’re under threat. They’re trying to spin, deflect and distract from their own inability to deliver.

New Zealand needs a turnaround. And a National Government I lead will deliver it.
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August 7, 2022 1:00pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  Sorry I think it is just the same tired old waffle politicians of all colours are great at producing.
  The only point I would give him is the first one about being told to be kind.
  Hospital waiting lists, gangs, and truancy have always been a problem under every government but apparently he is going to fix all this when he is in charge.
  That’s about as likely to happen as Ardern’s claims that she would fix homelessness and child poverty.
  
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  August 7, 2022 1:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think Jacinda Ardern’s “kind, empathetic” way of doing politics has been a roaring success, Ross.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/jacinda-ardern-political-leaders-can-be-both-empathetic-and-strong
    
    It’s been a disaster.
    
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    August 7, 2022 2:30pm
- Swifty
  
  I remember when she said, after a wasted 2018, that 2019 will be ‘The Year of Delivery”.
  
  What a cruel lie that turned out to be.
  
  Not just useless, but deceitful as well.
  
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  August 7, 2022 1:19pm
- JJ56
  
  Hope we hear more of this:
  
  “The increasing numbers of young people on welfare shows that the Ministry of Social Development is not giving them priority.
  
  “A National Government will not keep funding failure by government departments. If government departments can’t deliver, we’ll find someone else who can. So, in this case, we will bring community providers into the mix, redirecting some funding from the Ministry of Social Development, and getting community providers to do the job instead.
  
  “We’ll contract them to provide under 25 year olds, who’ve been on a benefit for three months or more, with a dedicated job coach to help them get into work.”
  
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  August 7, 2022 1:25pm
Benedict Yu

It would seem impossible to attack this, but watch Jacinda try.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129502939/christopher-luxon-uses-conference-speech-to-promise-end-to-free-ride-for-young-beneficiaries

This will resonate with the majority of folk. If you are able bodied and sane, there are any number of jobs available. The Countdown supermarket I went to yesterday had a ‘vacancies board’ with 10 jobs on it.

But Jacinda will say it is ‘unkind’. Or something.
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August 7, 2022 1:10pm
jon

Luxon’s conference speech so refreshing, especially as there wasnt any mention of that place called Aotearoa!
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August 7, 2022 2:54pm
NoFax

I always thought John Key was a slimmy worm but his latest kowtowing to the CCP is taking it to new lows. Blaming Pelosi for the CCP’s tantrum is just CCP talking points.
There is no moral equivalence between the CCP and the West and for a few dollars Key would sell us out. What a pathetic man he is.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/nancy-pelosis-taiwan-visit-reckless-provocative-dangerous-key/
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August 7, 2022 3:08pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Even though he is rich guy he is still on a kicking to nothing if he criticises the CCP – could limit his ability to lead or hold directorships in a lot of commercial enterprises that have a lot of Chinese money or influence on them (eg being chainman of ANZ), and would certainly hurt his ability to be closely associated with National.
  
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  August 7, 2022 5:52pm
  - Mike
    
    Perfect reasons for not displaying a dpine…
    
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    August 7, 2022 6:36pm
- greybeard
  
  I think he is right: she is a stupid old woman for deliberately giving the finger to China for no good reason.
  A case of ego over anything else.
  
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  August 7, 2022 6:43pm
Warren

Who does our Social Welfare Minister think she is after Criticizing National Leader Chris Luxon over his Policy announcement on youth s on a benefit, and to pull the he’s rich card and say that he wouldn’t know or understand the Welfare policy because he wouldn’t have friends that would be on Welfare as they would be some of the types of people he wouldn’t associate with.So if you put this in to context why did she let her mother abuse the system.
Another Labour Minister that plays dirty Politics to smear National, what a fucking hypocrite.
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August 7, 2022 3:40pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes because Luxon is ‘rich’, able bodied people on welfare should be allowed to sit on the couch and take drugs.
  
  That makes total sense.
  
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  August 7, 2022 6:40pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  BTW if that is her best shot, it is a sign that there is no logical defence against the policy.
  
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  August 7, 2022 6:44pm
Ghost

Good advert, shame the forever offended don’t have a sense of humour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129504870/mitre-10-mega-under-the-hammer-for-ladies-night-advertisement
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August 7, 2022 6:09pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The pity is that they apologised. Best response would have been piss off.
  
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  August 7, 2022 6:42pm
Suze Wainwright

So National’s conference wasn’t all that bad, despite the efforts of Thomas Coughlan…?
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August 7, 2022 6:16pm
graham

My wife and I watched the weather on One News tonight. At least, we tried to. The weather presenter used so much Maori mixed in with English that I genuinely had no idea what she said half the time. It was a complete waste of time for us; we’ll have to check the weather on our preferred website instead.

I honestly don’t understand why they do this. I understand the arguments for using the occasional Maori word, but this was incomprehensible. And for those who would say “Google it” I offer a challenge – watch the programme and try it. I guarantee you will be unable to, due to the sheer volume of Maori language used.
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August 8, 2022 12:01am
Nickc2

your taxes are supporting it. Will it change under Luxon, I hope so but doubt it.
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