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Tony Stuart

National MP Chris Penk provided this gem on Twitter last night:

Chris Penk @ChrisPenknz

Interesting partnership between the government and Shortland Street.

One is a fictional setting where people who aren’t qualified in real life make a show of pretending that they’re caring for others …

… and the other is a TV show. Sad.

https://twitter.com/ChrisPenknz/status/1554025654735470592

You’re not in Guatemala now, Dr Do-Little…
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December 2, 2021 8:07am
- Frank the tank
  
  I’m surprised Twatter hasn’t tried to de-platform Penk and OnePravada hasn’t run a hit piece on this forcing Te reo to order it being taken down.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:10am
- Ehlana
  
  If only Parliament were a fictional setting. Sadly, what we currently have is as if the cast of Shortland Street were put in charge of a real hospital. Though they, at least, might have the sense to consult people who knew what they were doing!
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Well they’ve set up a few hundred “working groups” to advise them. Great value for the taxpayer.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:07am
- pdm
  
  Inv – I doubt Dr do Little (aka Angry Andy) could find his way to Guatemala on his own.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:14am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Tweet of the week, possibly the year.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:27am
- emmess
  
  I haven’t seen that crap since the 20th century
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:15am
- Stellaboxer
  
  It’s like using John Wayne’s The Green Berets to recruit for the defence force. How thoroughly bankrupt this regime of clowns are.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Labour in fantasy land again
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They live there permanent
    
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    August 2, 2022 3:58pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  I want to be a sole trader after watching Only fools and horses
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:06am
- Jim
  
  Probably the brainchild of a $$$$ younger government media and advertising consultant $$$$ who clearly thinks that (crappy) soap operas have sufficient social influence. The only people I know who watch such things today are grannies and lifestyle beneficiaries.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Short of Talent Street.
  Seriously, they can’t act for shit.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:49am
  - Philview
    
    Many of the actors have gone on to good careers so think it is the way the show is produced. I have read the episodes are knocked out fairly quickly so doesn’t give the actors much time to work with lines.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:24pm
  - Paulus
    
    Surely Sesame Street !
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:30pm
  - I remember when
    
    “Seriously, they can’t act…”
    I broke out in a sudden sweat imagining it was real.
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:31pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Like Coro Street?
      
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      August 2, 2022 3:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some made an outrageous fortune
      
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      August 2, 2022 3:56pm
- nathie
  
  Good grief, Andrew Little and Labour must think that Shortland Street is real life!
  
  Penk nails it!
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:38pm
Warren

Well I have to ask a question that is very obvious, is Andrew Little the full quid or is there as the Health Minister for his Union connection or his bullying ability.
Really wouldn’t it have been cheaper to give Nurses and Doctors the pay rise they deserved 6 months ago when they Andrew Little was playing hardball with there careers and nurses were also resigning for being over worked to the point that many though that it could cause unnecessary problems and deaths in their Hospitals.
New Zealand has always been understaffed in our Hospitals and it has not been because of the previous Government’s neglect like Little wants people to believe, it has happened for many years from all Government’s and this year it has happened because a Labour Government can’t be told by the experts because they know best.
So now we have a Government that finally realizes that what Nurses have been saying before they have quit for better pastures our Hospitals and staff are in crisis so Andrew Little has to spend Millions of dollars to replace people that he neglected with overseas Nurses and Doctors that need more training before they become qualified in the New Zealand system which will cost millions more.
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August 2, 2022 8:05am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Or simply get rid of the vaccine mandate for health professionals. It’s less costly and the results will be felt immediately.
  
  I know one nurse that can’t take the “vaccine” and would love to have her job back.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:17am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    What? And admit they were wrong or unjustified?
    
    People who disagree with dear leader have to be made a lasting example of.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:26am
  - Jim
    
    Exactly right, offer those health sector worker their jobs back NOW! With an apology too!
    Even the most ardent pro-covid vaccine advocates should now have long since conceded there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate that:
    1. Covid is a most discriminatory virus, with an infection fatality rate that predominantly affects very old and very weak people. Healthy children and young people have more risk of being killed by buses (even in NZ!)
    2. The Pfizer comirnaty vaccine (and others) has not provided any durable immunity, or prevented onwards virus transmission breakthrough, which has been evident since the beginning of 2021. Now even double boosted people get and pass on the virus within weeks of getting jabbed, before its (so called) protection wears off after the reported 3 months.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:55am
  - judith8409121
    
    hear hear – exactly
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:30am
  - Liberty
    
    Ardern and her minions are so drunk with power. They haven’t got the Balls to eat a rat and admit They got it wrong with the mandates.
    They have simply told hundreds of highly trained health professionals to get munted.
    Little is now in panic mode. Is going to pay $10,000 blood money to man the hospitals.
    How many months will that take?
    Why would a health professional leave a highly paid employment and move to the second most crappyest country in the world?
    The health reforms are Just more of Labour’s deluded socialist agenda doomed to fail.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:41am
  - I remember when
    
    Is now the time to have an inquiry into the benefits that the Health System gained by banning unvaccinated medical staff?
    Figures such as the number of vaccinated medical staff that have subsequently caught covid.
    How much overtime have they had to work to cover for those no longer employed.
    Number of operations unable to take place because they were no longer employed.
    How much has waiting lists, and times, increased because they were dismissed and haven’t been re-employed.
    I’m sure others can be added to above.
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:45pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Dont forget that the Nurses Union are supporting the Mandate!!!!
    Idiots
    
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    August 2, 2022 4:31pm
- kevn
  
  @Warren… Conclusive proof that do-little has wood for brains. Ask any nurse.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If that “Wood” is either Megan or Michael, or even both combined, that really is a very little amount of brain indeed.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:09am
  - crikey
    
    Conclusive proof that do-little has wood for brains. Ask any nurse.
    
    I think asking any nurse is more likely to get a different adjective than ‘wood’ to describe his mental acuity.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:36pm
- cmm
  
  You’re looking at the wrong thing. You are looking at costs, not where the the money ends up.
  
  From a brief listen on the radio, the new deal pay up 10k towards registration costs. That’s not really 10k into the pockets of the nurses, but 10k into the pockets of the bureaucrats that run the whole registration racket. I suppose paying for all the cultural training (which no doubt has to be provided by a Maori organisation) fits in there too.
  
  The same result for the nurses could have been achieved by streamlining the registration. Why should that be a $ multi-thousand exercise – a hundred bucks should cover it. Same too with any cultural training.
  
  But no, this new scheme allows the diversion of masses of taxpayer money while dressing it up in a way that people will like (coz everyone likes nurses).
  
  This is very much like the “free” first year for students. It was not really a gift to students, but a gift to the lecturers and other university luvvies that were providing university courses that people would take for “free”, but would not take if they had to pay from their own pockets.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:19am
  - a3kidlady
    
    This is quite laughable as most employers of nurses including the DHB’s have been paying for these costs anyway – as its the only way to get any recruitment!! So effectively he’s announcing a solution that is already happening and claiming the glory for it. Typical!!!
    
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    August 2, 2022 8:31am
  - Ruawai
    
    I hear Mr Ormsby has the skills to train nurses in culture or someone else in his family.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:38am
  - Bob
    
    cmm…
    your blog highlights a point that I have made to many, well those who want to listen with an open mind; that there is more than enough money available for Health and DHB’s etc. The problem is that its use is being mismanaged and misdirected by the so called Senior Management and elected/appointed directors. Too many ideological pet projects, and not enough comprehension at management level of what is happening at the front line of health.
    Same problem as with most of NZ’s bureaucracies at govt and local body level.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:08am
  - The Scunner Campbell
    
    Cultural training will not be required in the non-Maori side of the Health Service. Should shave a few hundred off the training costs!
    Could be that no one wants to pay the costs for the cultural training. What would you pay to become a nurse $10K of $50?
    
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    August 2, 2022 5:21pm
- Graham Sharpe
  
  According to $tufffed the Ministry of Health is going to co-operate with the makers of “Shortland Street” to help make nursing a more attractive career. Is that the best they can offer? Really? We’re all done here, folks. The lunatics are running the asylum.
  “Beam me up, Scotty. There’s no intelligent life on this planet!”
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s what Ardern does, uses media to manipulate reality. Don’t be surprised.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:03am
    - Jim
      
      Yep but just as other communist autocrats found out to their own peril, the publics own view of reality rarely matches the government propaganda and gaslighting. Remember when the residents near Chernobyl were repeatedly told by beurocrats that the radiation levels were safe.
      
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      August 2, 2022 11:00am
- Paulus
  
  Using TV2 Shortland Street as an incentive to get more Nurses.
  It is not 1st April, so this must be the Joke of the Year.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:30am
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, using a third-rate TV series will only attract third-rate Medical Practitioners. Good luck with that eh?
    
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    August 2, 2022 8:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The Shortland street actors will get the blame for yet another government cock up
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:52am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Little is out of his depth. As he has been, for most of his career. What self respecting lawyer with ANY prospects, would end up doing law for a Union?
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Little needs to be the guy at The Warehouse who strips off the packaging tape on empty cardboard boxes before the cardboard is recycled.
    Surely you can’t fuck that up?
    
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    August 2, 2022 4:16pm
iMP

The Govt’s solution? Get Shortland St to make nursing seem sexy and cool.
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August 2, 2022 8:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Do the nurses on Shortie ever have to clean up spilt body fluids, put nappies on elderly patients or plug up the orifices of the recently deceased? There’s a lot about nursing that is anything but “sexy and cool”.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:12am
  - Jim
    
    Yep the likely consequence of a fake sexy soap sell will be high second and third year student nurse drop outs (with associated debt) when the soap opera sell didn’t match the real world demands of a challenging (both technically and emotionally) and demanding career choice.
    
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    August 2, 2022 3:25pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Does this mean we are now recruiting from Guatemala??
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:12am
  - Ruahine
    
    Andrew Little has probably been in touch with Dr Ropata.
    
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    August 2, 2022 8:44am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Little said they turned him down for a cameo, he had the stupidity to ask
      
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      August 2, 2022 9:54am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      don’t laugh. It could be a Two For deal and he could tackle the Hopso staff shortage as well.
      
      “Cook the man some eggs!”
      
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      August 2, 2022 10:31am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Make the man some eggs! Oh, he is one…
      
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      August 2, 2022 11:11am
- TS Child
  
  They could make it more sexy and cool simply by paying them properly. But that would be a lot less fun it seems. Hard to imagine how this government could more effectively tell nurses they’re unimportant: pay them little, work them hard, import new ones once home grown ones broken. Disgusting.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:25am
- nathie
  
  And was any taxpayer funding diverted towards “Shortland Street”? If so, wouldn’t it better to put that towards funding the health system?
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Shortland street is run on tax payer funding NZ on air
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:54am
- nathie
  
  Nurse after nurse after nurse rang ZB’s Kerre Woodham this morning pointing out Andrew Little is essentially belittling their profession, and/or that Labour should be prioritising making nursing student’s placements a lot less stressful (to reduce dropping out), rather than pay actors to dress up as make-believe doctors and nurses with unreal and absurd story lines!
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:44pm
  - I remember when
    
    Is everyone certain that “Shortland Street” is a medical drama.
    I have been watching “This is Going to Hurt.”
    That was a medical drama.
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:55pm
  - Jim
    
    Yep heard that programme, all the nursing staff were ropable at the demeaning way the so called Health Minister is handling the health crisis. On one hand Little is denying any crisis and the next he’s come up with a hair brained scheme to use a stupid soap opera to drum up extra staff.
    
    You couldn’t even make this up.
    
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    August 2, 2022 3:28pm
- Opie
  
  Is Andrew little a good judge of what is sexy?
  
  He looks like the kind of guy that yells out sorry every time he comes
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:37pm
Rusty

No heatwave or covid outbreak in Birmingham for the Commonwealth games?

The alarmists are always quiet when nothing happens.
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August 2, 2022 8:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

In case Willie Jackson and Andrew Little are searching for a new name for their new public enlightenment and propaganda entity, could I suggest Reichsfilmkammer?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300651361/a-new-era-willie-jackson-has-big-plans-for-new-zealands-media-sphere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsfilmkammer
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August 2, 2022 8:16am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Why the F*%k is Willie Jackson, or any politician, getting involved with the media industry?
  
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  August 2, 2022 11:12am
  - Nickc2
    
    Willie’s the Minister of Broadcasting (Propoganda) and he’s also in charge of the purchasing of favourable broadcasting in support of the Current Govt and Maori (including language). Nothing wrong with that eh so long as we’re a dictatorship.
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:14pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Being a Minister for a sector doesn’t mean getting involved at an operational level.
      
      The old saying “noses in, hands out” is how they should operate, but I guess Willie’s had his nose in the trough for so long the rest of him has fallen in too.
      
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      August 2, 2022 2:46pm
  - Jim
    
    Orwell’s Ministry of Truth. It’s one of the most powerful political tools, twisting fake into fact.
    
    Sadly for all, repeated history dictates such ploys of authoritarian gaslighting always ends the same way.
    
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    August 2, 2022 3:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hands up anyone who knows anyone who watches Shortland Street?
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August 2, 2022 8:18am
- RalphT
  
  Maggy, I’m happy to say that in the 30 years it’s been on I’ve never seen a single episode. And I intend to keep it that way.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:27am
  - zulumonster
    
    I’m sad to say I have seen one episode. Ironically I was in hospital at the time, in an isolation ward. The TV had no remote and I was unable to move to change the channel and the nurses were all in the “office”(?) watching said Shortland Street episode.
    
    When they came to see how I was doing after the show was over I was adamant the experience had put back my recovery by days and they should never repeat that shock treatment again.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:55am
- nathie
  
  Wouldn’t the story plots (infighting, skullduggery, the odd murder) put would-be prospective nurses off?
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:30am
  - oldfella
    
    nathie, I’m sure there’ll be a few episodes about nurses being bashed by p-laden gang members? You know, keeping it real. //
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:11am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Infighting and skullduggery – rampant in every public hospital in New Zealand
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:24pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I might have walked down it once when the Auckland CBD was still worth visiting.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, family member watches it – has done since a teenager.
  It’s like a little politically correct family where young people get to be told what to think about the issues of the day.
  It even has a few older people in it who generally carry on like young idiots.
  From what I have seen of it (when visiting family member) the nurses do a lot of standing around beds, hanging out in the cafe and arranging dates/child care/“current issues”.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:32am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Isn’t part of the Driver TV dynasty?
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In real life the nurses don’t do that, but the Admin do
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:56am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  I watch Shortland St frequently- AKA TV1 News. There’s a documentary of the same name which I am told mirrors real life better than TV1 News, but I’ve never watched it.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:42am
- alex Masterley
  
  Once upon a time I used to work in Shortland Street. Not any more though.
  And for the record I have never watched the soap opera of the same name.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:05am
  - G152
    
    Bingo. I was at the Auckland Star
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:52am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol Alex, Shortland Towers and the Eastside Bar, where I could go in with mates and the barman would line the drinks up without having to be told what we wanted! Brings back memories!
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:03pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Ditto,
    Lumley building.
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:55pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  nada and nada..
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:32am
- Dairy Flat
  
  Daughter did a stint in it as a nurse. I’ve suggested to her she apply for a job at North Shore hospital.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:46am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Twitter bestie living in Samoa sends urgent plea for help…..

https://twitter.com/LifeinSamoa2/status/1553875839581712385
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August 2, 2022 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder why they don’t like her?
  Rest of the World think she is a princess
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:15pm
- Nickc2
  
  I love the Twitter comments Maggie. I bet her Press Secretary won’t read them to her eh?
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:20pm
cmm

As I wrote before, the nursing crisis is only partially a shortage of nurses.
The other half of the equation is that they have whittled away the nurse aids (and other lower tier staff) thus increasing the work load on the existing nurses. Nurses should not be making beds or fetching and carrying.

Some of the nursing crisis could be alleviated by hiring these lower-tier staff who are a lot easier to train up in a hurry.
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August 2, 2022 8:25am
- a3kidlady
  
  You think finding nurses is difficult – try recruiting for nurse aids……… with a legislated pay rate thanks to pay equity too!!!
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:33am
- surfing
  
  My observations.
  
  Nurses are cutting down their work hours to manage stress, which in turn places additional pressure on staffing levels. One nurse friend has cut down to one shift a week because she simply can’t cope.
  
  Nurses dread returning to their jobs after holiday breaks. Nurses are imploring other nurses outside of working hours and on facebook groups to work shifts with them, because they know the shift will be understaffed and they are facing a nightmare shift.
  
  Not all shifts or wards are necessarily like this all of the time…but, while it used to be rare to be operating at 110%, these days it is fairly common.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

For the grammar pedants amongst us…

A couple of horror sentences from an item in NZ Herald:

A respected businessman allegedly pilfered about $1.3 million from an Auckland rest home and spent the money on he and his wife’s upmarket lifestyle and building their dream home, a court has heard.
..
The man is also accused of overpaying he and his wife by more than $265,000 in salary and falsifying accounting records in a bid to cover his tracks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/respected-businessman-accused-of-stealing-13m-from-auckland-rest-home-to-fund-lifestyle-and-new-home/6QCOGCZM3CY6SC6VSVZJONCGOQ/

Are possessive and reflexive pronouns now consigned to the too-hard basket?
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August 2, 2022 8:28am
- Phronesis
  
  Presumably his chosen pronouns are he, he, and he. It would be a firing offence for the journalist not to respect someones pronouns.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:24am
- Bob
  
  Grammar definitions and their use are no longer taught in NZ’s progressive education system!
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:12am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Proof that no intelligent life is required for taxpayer funding of “journalism”.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:38am
Tony Stuart

Another thread on William Gannin Ormsby that deserves a wider audience. In this instance, his marketing of Ka Awatea to Waka Kotahi is investigated:

https://twitter.com/Record_Factory/status/1554153743226126339

A couple of the tweets towards the end give some context as to why this matters. I republish them in one block:

* The Waka Kotahi email doesn’t disclose the fact Gannin is a senior Cabinet minister’s spouse. The WRC email doesn’t disclose that his sister in law is a WRC elected councillor (Tipa Mahuta). Some transparency from the outset mightn’t have hurt.

* While not unlawful, this approaching of central and local govt bodies for business when Ormsby has close family links to elected politicians in each is particularly unseemly. Is it really the type of behaviour and political culture we want to promote in NZ?

* So, on top of waste, environment, housing, conservation and suicide prevention, we can add transport to the list of subject matters the Ormsbys sought to financially benefit from in government contracting and consultancy.

Thomas Cranmer also comments on these revelations:

This is a revealing new insight into the Mahuta nepotism saga. In early 2020, the Minister’s husband, Gannin Ormsby, was actively contacting central and local government and offering them his services. The need for an independent investigation only grows.

https://twitter.com/kehetauhauaga/status/1554175973989330944

Cranmer is right. There is so much in the public domain now to potentially demonstrate conflicts of interest and/or the husband of a senior Minister trading off her position that an independent inquiry is justified.
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August 2, 2022 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The fact that the MSM has not been investigating the Mahuta -Ormsby contracts is a clear indication that the Waikato-Tainui-Urban Maori Alliance has free rein in this Labour Government.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:38am
- pdm
  
  Thick skin.
  Righteous.
  Racist.
  Nepotism.
  
  The Mahuta connection summed up in 5 words.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:43am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Replace Righteous with Troughing and you’re getting closer
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:08pm
    - pdm
      
      Good thought Lodden.
      
      Probably should have put Self Righteous anyway.
      
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      August 2, 2022 6:57pm
- Souvlaki
  
  It certainly appears corrupt on the surface .
  Chris Trotters latest effort on our ‘ethnonationalist/apartheid’ trajectory:
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/08/02/a-grand-coalition-for-peace-unity-and-democracy/
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You’re overthinking it, Tony. WGO simply assumed that everyone knows who he is & who is related to. No need to waste space setting out the tedious details.
  
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  August 2, 2022 7:39pm
Captain Mainwaring

Obviously the Commonwealth is much bigger than I thought it was.
In the process of ‘accidentally’ watching the games, I learned that there were countries that I had no idea were subjects of Her Majesty. Cyprus, Pakistan, Cameroon come to mind and I’m sure there are others that I’ve missed.
Where are the boundaries to Commonwealth membership or can anyone just rock up?
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August 2, 2022 8:31am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Cameroon puzzles me, but Cyprus drives on the left so that lets them in, and Pakistan is great cricketing nation so they are in.
  Cameroon?
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There is a tasty confectionary in the UK called a Cameroon Bar. Maybe that’s why they were allowed in?
    Though I am guessing it has been cancelled by now for “cultural appropriation” or something.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:17am
    - Jim
      
      Maybe Charles accepted a bribe from them?
      
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      August 2, 2022 3:50pm
  - Sequel
    
    Cameroon was a German colony. A part of French Equatorial Africa was ceded to Germany in 1911, but reincorporated at the end of WWI. The colony was split between France and UK after WWI as a League of Nations mandate, with France taking the largest part (around 90% from memory). During decolonisation the two parts came together as the independant country of Cameroon. I believe there has been considerable tension between the two parts for several years, with the Francophone part trying to dominate the anglophone part.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:18am
  - Ehlana
    
    Tauhei, parts of Cameroon had been British mandate or trust territories, which was how it got in. The thinking at the time was that by being a member of both French (Francophonie) and British (Commonwealth) organisations, it would help national unity. Not sure that worked.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:41am
  - mawm
    
    There once was a British Cameroon which united with the French Cameroon to form the modern day independent Cameroon.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:07am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You would have thought Hong Kong would be out of it now, but swimmers swam for Hong Kong
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:57pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Several countries that had no attachment to the UK or what was the Empire have joined. Angola ( Portugal) Togo and one other ( France)
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:51am
  - RalphT
    
    Fighting, Gabon is the other former French colony which joined the Commonwealth earlier this year. Also, Rwanda (Belgian) joined 10-20 years ago.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Like HK now back in Chinese hands, but several nations weee British years ago, just like French nations, of Portuguese or Spanish, I presume these countries stay in the empire when their government changes. I think I seen a couple of Muslim nations too
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:59pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Any country can join the Commonwealth. It requires and application which needs to be approved by the other member states.
  
  Lesotho is a member. So is Gabon, a former French colony. Also Eswatini, an absolute Monarchy.
  
  So these days ‘Her Majesty’ has no say in who signs up. 🙂
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:41am
  - mawm
    
    Both Lesotho, previously Basutoland, and Eswatini, previously Swaziland, were administered by the British government and hence part of the Commonwealth.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:09pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Mozambique. Part of the Portuguese empire until 1974. Never British, AFAIK.
    
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    August 2, 2022 7:42pm
- MCōs
  
  What did you think you were watching while you were ‘accidentally’ looking at all those countries participating in some athletic competitions?
  Shortland St?
  
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  August 2, 2022 11:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s not a requirement that the Queen is the Head of State for a country to be in the Commonwealth. There are many at the Comms Games that are like that, and also many competing countries that aren’t even countries – Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man etc.
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:12pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    South Africa surely does not have a head of state, surely they are presidential
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:00pm
    - Batman
      
      That’s a head of state.
      
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      August 2, 2022 1:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Most African nations, Cyprus is a funny one, I thought it was part of the Greek islands, but it’s a country on its own. the republic of South Africa another
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:54pm
surfing

One of my son’s high school teachers makes the class do a maori prayer before class can start.

My son is not Maori, nor is he religious and I don’t want this to be forced on him at school. Equally I wouldn’t want Christianity or any other religion forced on him.

I can’t complain to the school because they will file me as a racist parent and it may well end up having repercussions for my son.

I’ve only just complained to them about forcing my daughter on a 2 day course about ‘relationships’ — with important exams coming up and 2 weeks off with covid and flu.

Guess I’m a troublemaking parent. WTF is wrong with our schools?
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August 2, 2022 8:32am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “WTF is wrong with our schools”
  1/ The minister, a fish rots from the (empty) head
  2/ The ministry of education – controlled by leftie political activists.
  3/ The universities – indoctrination centres for left wing nut-jobbery far removed from what works best for kids or what’s in best interests of university students or country that pays for them
  4/ The teachers – indoctrinated and under thumb of left wing zealots at all levels, those with the brains to resist would be risking their careers to do so.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You are on good grounds to complain if your child is attending a primary State school and the karakia is a Prayer.
  
  Don’t even bother if your child is attending a school of special character.
  
  Where you may have difficulty is if the school insists that the Maori prayer isn’t a prayer, but is just a ritual saying.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/schools-break-law-on-prayers/WSPDMLS67GIDIMRIBRBVNB7QRM/
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:49am
  - surfing
    
    Nice find… the internet never forgets.
    
    2006 is completely different era from today . Possibly I could email an anonymous complaint to the school (state high school).
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:03am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “a ritual saying” is still odious. We should not be compelling kids to invoke Maori spirits.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:27am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Especially when there are no “Maori spirits” except perhaps Cody’s.
      
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      August 2, 2022 12:14pm
      - Paulus
        
        Lodden
        Have you forgotten the Taniwha which forced the road building changes to the Auckland / Hamilton motorway ?
        
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        August 2, 2022 1:39pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Paulus: forgotten it? We’re probably still paying for it!
        
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        August 2, 2022 2:47pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Do Taniwhas have a Bank Account? If so, who are the owners of the “Taniwha Trust?”
        
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        August 2, 2022 4:38pm
- Ehlana
  
  I wonder how the school would react if one of the teachers decided to start the class by having all the students stand up when the teacher comes into the room and wait to be told to sit down again. It’s a European cultural tradition.
  
  On the other hand, your son is getting practice at a useful life skill: the ability to stand or sit quietly and patiently wait while other people go through assorted rituals (prayers, anthems, etc.) that have no resonance for him personally. Whether he travels overseas or stays in New Zealand, he may well spend quite a bit of his life doing this.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:54am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Doing it voluntarily is one thing, compulsory quite another.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not compulsory – it is respect.
      There are always the corksoakers who will “take a knee”
      
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      August 2, 2022 4:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Take a knee’ In my day if someone ever dared, at lunchtime they would be taken down the end of the footy field, behind the huge pine trees, and given a physical lesson of ‘respect’
        
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        August 2, 2022 4:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In my primary school we all stood up when the teacher entered. Teacher would say “Good morning”
    Then we would say the same and sit down.
    Respect.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:09am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Standing for the teacher still happens at Auckland grammar – respect, discipline, manners …. Great school
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:33pm
  - Drone
    
    Sad to say it is probably a lesson for life, so you should just suck it up. In government today many departments are starting meetings with a karakia or a waiata so he will be well placed for government job..
    
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    August 2, 2022 4:04pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Indoctrination. And it is going to get worse.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:17am
  - Ehlana
    
    Thoughts are free ClanMcleod. As long as he does not disrupt proceedings, surfing’s son may take this time to think as he pleases – about what to get Mum for her birthday, his next game of football, even mentally revising some schoolwork.
    
    These lyrics suit such occasions well: https://genius.com/Pete-seeger-die-gedanken-sind-frei-lyrics
    
    Die gedanken sind frei, My thoughts freely flower,
    Die gedanken sind frei, My thoughts give me power
    No scholar can map them, No hunter can trap them
    No man can deny, Die gedanken sind frei
    
    I think as I please, And this gives me pleasure
    My conscience decrees, This right I must treasure
    My thoughts will not cater, To duke or dictator
    No man can deny, Die gedanken sind frei
    
    Tyrants can take me, And throw me in prison
    My thoughts will burst forth, Like blossoms in season
    Foundations may crumble, And structures may tumble
    But free men shall cry, Die gedanken sind frei
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:51am
    - Jack5
      
      Another version, in the German, original:
      
      https://youtu.be/3h6ZZ28QtX4
      
      Possibly interesting trivia: The artist in Ehlana’s version, the famous American folk singer, Pete Seeger, was the nephew of the American poet, Alan Seeger, who died fighting in the Foreign Legion at the Battle of the Somme in World War 1.
      
      Dunedin-born James Waddell, a near-forgotten war hero from NZ, was commander of the Foreign Legion battalion in which Alan Seeger was serving.
      
      A few weeks before he was killed Alan Seeger wrote a three-stanza poem which became famous: “I Have a Rendezvous with Death”
      .
      Waddell served in the British Army in the Boer War, and became an officer in the Foreign Legion after marrying a French woman. He was awarded the Croix de Guerre seven times. The first award was at Gallipoli, where he was in the French force. He was also made a Commander of the Legion of Honour.
      
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      August 2, 2022 7:24pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Ja, Die gedanken sind frei, aber Aktionen macht frei.
      
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      August 2, 2022 10:19pm
      - Bluegrass
        
        //Ich sage – macht freheit.
        
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        August 2, 2022 10:36pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Schools have dived donkey deep down the woke path too. By doing this they alienate the majority only to please a very small minority.
  For me there is no place of religion in education unless you have specifically sent your kid to a religious based school. In public schools if they “teach” religion it should only be a short course and cover all religions for FYI only. No teacher or staff member should be doing this as they are forcing their personal beliefs onto others, in this case minors, who aren’t in a position to stand up and disagree. It’s up to us parents to stand up for out kids and say this is not right or appropriate. It’s not complaining – it’s advising the school that it needs to stop.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:43am
  - Clownworld
    
    By not teaching religion you teach them secular humanism , it is a religion too.
    Admired by the communists.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:16pm
- Sacha
  
  Can you attend the relationship course with your daughter?
  In the interests of your ongoing relationship with her of course.
  And if not, why not?
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Complain yo the bloody school, huff and puff snd tell them not yo force Māori or religion on him, stamp ya feet
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:38pm
tknorriss

If people are attracted into nursing by what they see on Shortland Street they will be sadly disappointed.

They will get the impression that all the job will involve is lots of talking and shagging.
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August 2, 2022 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  Meanwhile in the school of hard knocks , literally , they’ll learn quick enough what real patients and their own superiors are like.
  
  ‘A student nurse who made a TikTok video revealing she had been struck by patients and nearly brought to tears several times during her shift at Dunedin Hospital has been forced to apologise.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/health/student-nurse-struck-patients-apologises-tiktok-video
  
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  August 2, 2022 11:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Otago Polytech Nursing School also has a duty of care to its students.
    
    It should not have placed an untrained student in a position where she was assaulted.
    
    I do hope Health & Safety investigate these incidents whereby student nurses are treated as collateral damage by our Incompetent Health Minister.
    
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    August 2, 2022 4:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well she has my sympathy. If she was in a ward with dementia type patients, she should not have been put there. Those with dementia are hard to reason with, and yes, some do fall.
    Sad. My Father in Law had dementia, struggled to even know his own Wife. Always knew who I was. Some of his demands were even strange.
    Mattress on the floor in a nursing home; and he wanted me to bring firewood so he could make a fire to keep warm. In the end it was brain cancer that spread.
    I miss him.
    
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    August 2, 2022 5:14pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Code Brown !
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:50pm
Maggie Pie

I didn’t get the free money WTF?
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August 2, 2022 8:43am
- pdm
  
  Nor me Maggy.
  
  Yet I work, earn way under $70k and do not get the Power rebate – that goes to mrspdm.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I didn’t, being on the Super. My partner didn’t, and she is on the ‘job seeker’ allowance. Bit hard to get a job when you are 63. She has had one offer – part time and involved 3 buses each way. She does not drive.
  
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  August 2, 2022 5:21pm
Scooter

Omg who designed their outfits, talk about drawing attention to a particular area.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/commonwealth-games/129429237/golden-hour-track-cyclists-make-spectacular-start-to-commonwealth-games
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August 2, 2022 8:53am
- 103PapPap
  
  Actually, they are cyclists and are wearing cycling shorts. Cycling shorts have built in crutch padding.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:21am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Awful. Looks like a target for ‘sack attack’.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The womens ones suit them 😃
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:05pm
- James Stephenson
  
  It’s a function of different materials, chosen for their different properties, reacting differently to the camera flash. Under normal lighting the suits are uniformly black.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must be a fleshlite thing.
  
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  August 2, 2022 5:23pm
Biscuit

But, Maggie and pdm, you both qualify under the ‘Rich Pricks’ label that Michael Cullen used as a jibe a few years back!

Me, sniff, too.

And, aaaaargh!, I have a partner – she prefers the term ‘Boss’ – who proposes to make me Less-than-Rich with a day shopping in Wellington.

Pray for my wallet…
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August 2, 2022 8:53am
ClanMcleod

I commented the other day on the Dutch farmer protests, how it was connected to the UN, WEF and the nightmarish Sustainable Development Goals that Ardern is driving. I forgot to give the link.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-world-economic-forum-behind-global-war-farmers-experts?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=811

This needs to be examined and understood by everyone who is remotely concerned about the direction we are heading in.
Understand that Ardern is a globalist, an avowed socialist, and along with many other recent government leaders, a graduate of the WEF “Global Young Leader” programme.

That she is a massive supporter of the UN SDGs.

Her mentor, Helen Clark, has held high profile roles in the UN, helping to make this dystopia happen. Here’s Helen’s website:

https://www.helenclarknz.com/about-helen-clark

At the top it states:

“HELEN CLARK IS A GLOBAL LEADER IN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AND GENDER EQUALITY”

Join the dots. There aren’t many and they are all in a line and numbered sequentially to make it easy see the big picture.
Read this article and relate it to all the things you are witnessing around the planet that concern you and see the obvious – this isn’t random. This isn’t coincidence.

This excerpt alone should concern you.

– One of the earliest meetings defining the “sustainability” agenda was the U.N. Conference on Human Settlements known as Habitat I, which adopted the Vancouver Declaration.

The agreement stated that “land cannot be treated as an ordinary asset controlled by individuals” and that private land ownership is “a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social injustice.”

“Public control of land use is therefore indispensable,” the U.N. declaration said, a prelude to the World Economic Forum’s now infamous “prediction” that by 2030, “you’ll own nothing.”

Numerous U.N. agencies and officials have outlined their vision of “sustainability” since then, including calls for drastic restrictions on energy, meat consumption, travel, living space, and material prosperity.

It is happening right now. We are living it. If enough of us don’t stand up and fight back against this we will end up exactly where the unelected Bond villain Klaus Schwab and his unelected wants and have openly stated:

“You will own nothing and be happy.”

As an aside, the other thing it says at the top of Helen Clark’s website is:

“No-one is going to put out a red carpet for any of us. You have to knock those doors down.”

These people don’t believe in democracy. They are prepared to enforce this on us because of their insane ideological narcissism.
The conspiracy theories are all gone now. It’s most peoples’ worst nightmare coming to all of us.
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August 2, 2022 8:59am
- Master Mariner
  
  First thing that popped into my mind regarding this,
  
  “The agreement stated that “land cannot be treated as an ordinary asset controlled by individuals” and that private land ownership is “a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social injustice.”
  
  Has she not heard of Zimbabwe, Once the Bread Basket of Central Africa whereby the land was stolen and redistrubuted to Soldiers and other “annointed” ones to only result in a Famine. Not to mention plenty of Farmers killed.
  
  She’s as mad as a Cut Cat.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:28am
  - mawm
    
    Has Luxon declared his allegiance to the WEF or has he denounced it? Has he had any contact with the WEF?
    
    We need to know what he stands for – an independent sovereign NZ or a country in servitude to the WEF?
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:27pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He has never mentioned it, people call him a WEF follower, because the company he worked for Unliver gave well performing staff free trips to Switzerland, they weee only there in a spectator toll, so no he has not said he is a WEF follower, he fid say he will not be dictated to by the UN not do long ago , his words went on to say fFS UN does not run this country. All at the same time fools on here said he is woke snd Labour lite
      
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      August 2, 2022 1:55pm
      - mawm
        
        It would be nice if he let us know exactly where he stood with regards to the WEF and their agenda. I, like numerous others, might even vote for him if he came out strongly against it.
        
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        August 2, 2022 5:32pm
- Frank the tank
  
  You forgot they are proxies for the rich and powerful. The so-called masters of the universe that want you struggling to afford real meat and catching 3 buses to work whilst they hang out of Lear jets and superyachts.
  
  There is definitely something going on and Ardern is one of the useful idiots implementing it.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:39am
- Zero Kindness
  
  You are spot on with your analysis Clan, but most people refuse to believe that this agenda is already here and being implemented with fear tactics of flu and climate crisis, both of which are grossly overstated.
  As we have seen in Sri Lanka, Netherlands and many other hotspots around the globe, as this agenda takes hold, people start to notice there is no food in the supermarkets and no money in their bank – then all hell breaks loose, chaos reigns and violence is uncontrollable.
  We need to take control of the situation before this chaos.
  There will be more protests in the next couple of months which will waken more sheeple however it will be difficult to turn direction without political balance of power from a minority right wing party.
  As such, I suggest folks look seriously at voting for DemocracyNZ as a possible coalition partner. Matt King can win Northland and/or gain 5% of the vote required to enter parliament. The policies of DemocracyNZ align well with mine and are contradictory to those of the UN, WEF, and socialist/communist ideology.
  https://democracynz.org/
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No King can’t get 5% , snd it will be a stretch for him to win Northland, all he will do is split the safe Nat seat and leave it with periods poverty queens as the worst Mp in the country
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:07pm
- kowtow
  
  There’s a very good opinion piece by Jamie MacKay host of the NZME radio show in today’s Herald , titled “Gloves off in fight over He Eke Noa emmissions cutting plan”
  
  Behind a paywall .
  
  Basically the farmers ( who feed us , others ,earn foreign exchange for the country etc) on the one side and the regime and DrCarr onthe other.
  
  Carr’s comments are “enlightening” and between the lines actually frightening .
  
  Carr essentially plays down the importance of our ag sector , we only feed 40 million out of a world of 8 billion.
  
  Those 40 million are relatively affluent and ” are consuming protein well above the daily allowance”.
  
  And ” The next challenge is that lower emitting forms of protein production are going to become quite significant in the middle of this century….. and the world is doubling down on investment to create more of those”
  
  I wonder what my protein allownce will be in the brave new WEF world ? And where and who will produce this low emitting protein.
  
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  August 2, 2022 11:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You vill eat ze bugz……
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:47pm
Maggie Pie

Imagine what it would be like if WE had a law like this here 🙁

“Someone has been caused anxiety based on your social-media-post…. that’s why you’re being arrested”

– Hants Police UK

https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1553383256439115776
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August 2, 2022 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you send me $50/week, I promise not to become anxious about any of your comments.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:28am
- Frank the tank
  
  Mike/Ross will be looking to do this to you Mags.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:50am
- Raphael
  
  What if the cops Social Media posts cause me anxiety?
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:57am
- kowtow
  
  had the perp done what the Cops instructed in the first place , sign up for some re education course costing 60 quid they’d have left him alone .( which is intimidation and extortion)
  
  He rightly didn’t so they came back and arrested him.
  
  No charges . They possibly never actually intended to charge him anyway . It’s entirely possible he was arrested purely to, again intimidate and coerce , as well as to advertise to others , this is what can happen if you don’t do what we command. As such his arrest is actually an assault , kidnap / unlawful detention .
  This is fascism .
  
  How Britain has fallen , and no one really seems to care .
  
  Where England goes ……
  
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  August 2, 2022 11:23am
- Jim
  
  This is where NZ is heading fast.
  
  At the same time as these Twitter Cops waste precious resources on one persons online anxiety the ‘old school real crime’ in the UK is becoming ever more sustainable career and lifestyle option for criminals. Recent UK statistics showing Police have a pathetic 6% success rate in solving reported crime (note that much crime is not reported due to lack of confidence in any reasonable outcome).
  
  https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1557219/crime-increase-ONS-figures
  
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  August 2, 2022 4:55pm
Opie

I see that NZ has now achieved first place worldwide for covid deaths per million over the last 7 days. And not by a small amount either at 52 per million, with the next best effort at 35.

Remember Sweden that got everything wrong? Their population is currently being decimated by 0.6 people per million per week. Oh the humanity.

Australia comfortably lower as well without forcing people to put a loose fitting piece of paper on their face when they go outside.

What a wonderful effort that is, she must be so proud.

Remember a few months ago [deleted by Mod, derogatory comment] said one death is too many and anyone wanting to drop the moronic restrictions or rules was a granny killer and the media smashed them by asking how many deaths is ok?

Is our covid response now the worst worldwide both regarding health and economical outcomes?
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August 2, 2022 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I want my PM back on the 1pm podium.
  
  I don’t feel safe…
  
  Where is she when I need her?
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:30am
  - Nickc2
    
    She’s staying out of reach of the Maori Caucus who I’m told have told her to fuck off and leave them alone.
    Notice how she’s now doing Mahuta’s job of Foreign Minister whilst Nanaia manages Mahuta Corp.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:35am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Busy at work sunning herself on a Samoan beach.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stop it! I need mind bleach
      
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      August 2, 2022 5:35pm
  - Opie
    
    Holidaying in Samoa apparently.
    
    Would really like to see her time sheets for this year
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:02am
  - mandk
    
    She’s overseas again, somewhere or other.
    
    But don’t worry, the Deputy PM is here looking after everyone …
    
    … no, wait.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:52am
    - Paulus
      
      No, the Deputy PM is in the UK at the Games.
      Looks like the next Leader of the Labour Party
      Wood (M) is shouting the odds trying to cement his future.
      
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      August 2, 2022 1:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I think it is special K
        
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        August 2, 2022 5:43pm
  - RockyJ
    
    She’s overseas, Maggy. Has been spending a lot of her time there lately because she finds us unbearable
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:20pm
  - Paulus
    
    She is doling out tens of millions to buy the NZ Samoan vote currently.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:43pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Handing out more millions to Tonga ffs, 12 million and 27 million s as o far as she show boats around the world
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:57pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  all she did back in 2020 was delay the inevitable. The oldies and vunerable got another 2 years on their life. To take an elimination approach on a virus that will be around for years as it mutates is just plain ludicrous and you don’t have to be a scientist to work that out. meanwhile NZ is going broke. feeling like sri lanka right now.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:50am
- Frank the tank
  
  Waiting for the feckless to report this is 1,2,3.
  
  There is so many instances like this remember:
  1). The virus is actively hunting unvaccinated people
  2). Simple Simon breathlessly reporting how many unvaccinated people had caught kungflu
  3). News stories from around the world how badly they are doing relative to New Zimbabwe.
  
  The problem is all opposition parties got on board the Kungflu cult during it’s zenith so can’t now point out the hypocrisy.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:58am
- septic skeptic
  
  A lot of the discrepancy is probably due to different methods of counting deaths and different amounts of testing.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:08am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The statistics were never meant to reflect anything real. They always were, and always have been a narrative control mechanism. I can’t get a response out of the MoH or the Covid response people when I ask for what evidence they used to decide masking was back again, especially for kids.
    I know that if they brought their best “science” I would shred it in very quick time. Which is why they won’t engage, they don’t want a paper trail that can be shown later.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:01pm
- glowworm
  
  Yes.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:25am
- Loddenthinks
  
  One of the many problems with assessing the impact of Covid on New Zealand is the corrupt and mercurial way they count deaths. It’s ever-changing and impossible to keep up with. Bloomfield even tried to change it again in his final act last week.
  
  Also ignored is the “excess mortality from all causes” in which I believe New Zealand is doing exceptionally badly, that is to say the number of people dying over and above our yearly average is exceptionally high. We’re not alone there either, it’s almost as if large numbers of people are having some kind of injection that isn’t going well. But that can’t be right, the MSM would be all over that!
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:30pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    The numbers are difficult to make sense of, assuming there is even any point.
    I note that China supposedly has less ‘cases’ to date than NZ has, based on https://ourworldindata.org/.
    Yeah, right.
    And NZ just dropped 500 dead off the tally by shifting the goal posts, even though we are this far into the post-Covid-world they still haven’t figured out how to measure what is happening!
    I actually lost interest in the numbers a long time ago.
    All I know is that the government is worse than the disease.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:57pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But but but, she saved us from certain death
  
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  August 2, 2022 2:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    80 fucking thousand – but only a few thousand died, and guess what? Look at the ages of those who died WITH Covid but not FROM Covid.
    Do these Labour dicks think we don’t know how numbers work, and how the number results can be ‘massaged’ for the stupid people?????
    
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    August 2, 2022 5:53pm
- Jim
  
  Yep have been tracking this, and note the NZ media silence. Dr John Campbell covers it at 11.30 onwards on this video:
  
  https://youtu.be/rVWOFDncJEE
  
  It’s one government statistic that is being measured (internationally) and yet holistically we’ve done so poorly, families torn apart, billions in debt, health care and other emergency service workers wrongfully sacked, children uneducated, health care sector in crisis, hospitality and tourism sector in trouble…….just wait for the our essential agricultural sector to be attacked by the green alarmism agenda.
  
  Opie, for the record, I too remember when any critic of our benevolent government’s authoritarian response was immediately smeared as a discompassionate idiot with disregard for life.
  
  It’s staggering how the reality has spun 180 degrees, and so many people haven’t even noticed.
  
  Are we still at war with Eurasia this week?
  
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  August 2, 2022 5:08pm
Yvette

In last evening’s episode of SHORTLAND STREET Asian character ‘Lovely’ took loosing a patient as wrongly being her fault, and in desperate emotional pain, intends to resign from nursing, when in fact the death of the attractive young Maori woman was a result of conflict between Chris Warner (aging stale, male ex-CEO) and T K Samuels’ (younger elite Maori who has shagged – nasty term, but correct in this case – his Maori superior in Wellington)

And this will be used to recruit nurses for immediate minimum 18 month training to relieve today’s nursing shortage?
Just don’t fuck up one of the few television programmes I regularly watch to see just how bad it can get by itself.
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August 2, 2022 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  Before it can be used to effectively recruit nurses it will have to be translated into Hindi and Tagalog and then aired in India and the Pines .
  
  And noone would watch it there anyway.
  
  It’ll be a long long time before they get on the wards.
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:12pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Think of the thousands of hours you’ve wasted watching that trash. YOLO
  
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  August 2, 2022 2:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick, but we all know Yvette is trolling.
    Change bait Yvette, no bites here – busy watching recorded shit. Baaaaaaaa!
    
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    August 2, 2022 5:57pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Ha, she got me. Time to recalibrate my troll-o-meter.
      
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      August 2, 2022 10:42pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m7F57C1dgI
What’s happening in Tokelau? – The Daily Examiner

I finally get to have the beautiful and amazing Leao from The Daily Examiner on the channel! Do you know what’s happening in Tokelau? Interesting how the mainstream media isn’t reporting in this situation! Yet Tokelau operates under New Zealand’s laws! So you’d think such a crazy situation would be reported daily?! Unfortunately Leo and the team and The Daily Examiner have been doing some deep diving… Let’s hear what Leo has to say! [18:48]
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August 2, 2022 9:26am
ClanMcleod

Medsafe did absolutely NO testing of Pfizer’s “vaccine” before approving it for use in NZ. Nothing at all. Instead they relied on documentation and data provided by the most corrupt corporation in history.
It was nothing more than a rubber stamping exercise.
Some of you know Dr John Campbell from his regular posts on Youtube covering aspects of the covid circus. He was initially fully onboard with all aspects and has slowly realised things aren’t quite as they seemed.
For regular watchers, one telling moment was the small, black toy dog he had on a window ledge behind him while he did his videos. For many months the toy dog had a mask on it. It vanished without comment a couple of months ago.

This is his observation on more evidence of Pfizer corruption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCIJYVqBIBo

Here’s Jimmy Dore talking about Pfizer recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k7jmtNjHaU

“Safe and effective”. Both lies repeated ad nauseum by Bloomfield, Ardern and the rest of the covidiots for over a year now.
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August 2, 2022 9:27am
- Master Mariner
  
  “It was nothing more than a rubber stamping exercise.”
  Not correct. Medsafe was used as a delaying tactic due to NO vaccines yet in the country.
  Waiting for Medsafe to approve the vaccine simply meant they had not procured the Vaccine.
  Even the simplest would understand what the hell could Medsafe actually do to test the new experimental Vaccine.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:32am
  - mawm
    
    Medsafe only reads the results of the pharmaceutical company’s testing in a case like this. If they had done a proper analysis of the trials and the data published by Pfizer they should have rejected the application. Their job is to protect the safety of New Zealanders and in this they have failed, just as the MoH has failed in properly collecting and evaluating the data as to the efficacy and safety of the vaccine.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:44pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      mawm – I’ve posted this a number of times over the last year. There was clear and unequivocal evidence that this “vaccine” wasn’t fit for purpose and it is in the Risk Management Plan from Pfizer and posted on Medsafe’s own website. It is their in plain sight for anyone to read. Only 7 pages.
      
      https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
      
      Read about the “missing information” and known risks and ask yourself, how could anyone possibly let this into the country? Insanity.
      
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      August 2, 2022 10:20pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MM – that’s the whole point of my post. NZers were told tha tMedsafe regulates medicines in NZ. They were told it was “tested and approved”. They were also told it was “safe and effective”. I would wager that the average citizen believes that Medsafe checked it all out.
    Pfizer has a horrendous record of medical fraud. They are liars and charlatans. Why would our regulators take their data and rubber stamp it? In what world would you give hundreds of millions of dollars to a con artist because they told you “you can trust us this time?” Especially with what was clearly a new technology and an experimental product?
    People were never dropping dead in the streets. There was no plague. There was certainly no need to panic.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:17pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Do you remember way back in the very first lockdown of in 2020 Cindy had the head of Pfizer for this region on the news confirming the exclusive contract of supply for their vax? i do – remember it very well thinking – this seems all too convenient and stitched up.
  It was never about a working effective vax – it’s was always commercial for Pfizer.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:53am
  - kowtow
    
    It was also a PR exercise .
    
    “We have a vax” , any vax , see we’re doing something , anything .
    
    Having mistakenly , stupidly locked down it was the only face saving way of re opening.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Saline, but you are now protected
      
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      August 2, 2022 6:04pm
- Zero Kindness
  
  IIRC Medsafe did not want to make the decision to approve the Fizzer jab in NZ and the government provided them a separate committee to review the information (took 6 hours – wow) and make a recommendation to Medsafe to help them avoid liability in making the call.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/robust-assessment-ahead-medsafe-approval-vaccine
  
  “Medsafe’s assessment went to the Medicines Assessment Advisory Committee (MAAC) yesterday (2.2.21) for its review, so the committee could provide Medsafe with advice and recommendations. The MAAC is made up of a range of industry experts from around New Zealand, and it met for six hours to help Medsafe come to a decision.”
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I watched Dr John Campbell daily for about 18 months. (I rarely tune in now.)
  
  He was fully on board with the vaccines. Three things turned him:
  
  – evidence of Pfizer lies/corruption
  – evidence that the vaccines had rapidly declining efficacy (remember being told they were 95 percent effective?)
  – government denial over serious side effects, especially heart damage in young males.
  
  If you asked Jacinda to comment on those three factors you would just get “I refute that.” 🙁
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:06am
  - Sacha
    
    He was late in ‘turning’. I too gave up on him after following his advice for some months, because he seemed to be ignoring the evidence. Several others (mainly the American doctors with the benefit of their clinical experience) were questioning the statistics long before him.
    Dr Moyed Been has long been giving cause for thought with his daily on-line lectures on all aspects of the ‘pandemic’. He can at times be densely academic with his facts and figures and endless graphs, but always makes sense. He is based in California.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:50am
  - Jim
    
    BY, A cardiologist contact said last week that they are experiencing an unprecedented number of heart problems in young people typically under 35 y/o. Where’s the media, oh yes paid off and relentlessly reporting climate alarmism, gender pronouns and bad man Putin.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:08am
  - Jim
    
    BY,
    I’ve similarly kept up to date with Dr John Campbell’s evidence based communications, and still do weekly.
    
    Similarly I’ve appreciated the professionalism and critical objectivity from the US side via Dr Vinay Prasad and Dr Suneel Dhand.
    
    Interestingly, if you look at their back catalogue of YouTube uploads, you will find (like John) how their world view has completely changed in the past two years. Once upon a time naively trusting FDA, CDC but then upon closer scrutiny of the ‘presented evidence’ they slowly become more sceptical to the point where hands are on their heads in disbelief of what has happened with the plandemic.
    
    I would recommend both of these Doctors for having professional integrity and courage to reasonable declare a difference of opinion (push against the narrative), despite the ever more obvious dominant control of governments by the more powerful big pharma consortium.
    
    https://youtu.be/JBaYOM7_nfI
    https://youtu.be/6juKQb83g9Q
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:23am
    - kevn
      
      @Jim… You can add Robert Malone to that list.
      
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      August 2, 2022 12:50pm
      - Jim
        
        Agree, there is a wide base of professional experts (outside NZ) that are worth listening to.
        
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        August 2, 2022 5:28pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MM – that’s the whole point of my post. NZers were told tha tMedsafe regulates medicines in NZ. They were told it was “tested and approved”. They were also told it was “safe and effective”. I would wager that the average citizen believes that Medsafe checked it all out.
        Pfizer has a horrendous record of medical fraud. They are liars and charlatans. Why would our regulators take their data and rubber stamp it? In what world would you give hundreds of millions of dollars to a con artist because they told you “you can trust us this time?” Especially with what was clearly a new technology and an experimental product?
        People were never dropping dead in the streets. There was no plague. There was certainly no need to panic.kevn – here’s Robert Malone today explaining how moronic mask wearing is. Especially for children.
        
        https://t.me/nzdsos/415
        
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        August 2, 2022 10:40pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uljakdS3iss

Our dodgy future King!

Charles has proven over his lifetime to be intellectually missing in action, no matter how much effort & cost went into his education. His friends are at best Dodgy, his relationships are a disaster & his morals very questionable. Let’s just by pass this Vegetable & give William the position once available.
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August 2, 2022 9:27am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Sadly that is impossible.
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:06pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Not sure Benedict. AFIK, Charlie can abdicate and give a flick no-look pass to Wills when Mummy croaks.
    Abdicate defined: renounce, resign mean to give up a position with no possibility of resuming it. abdicate implies a giving up of sovereign power or sometimes an evading of responsibility such as that of a parent.
    Courtesy Google
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:13pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Sure. I mean nothing (realistic) can be done unless he abdicates.
      
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      August 2, 2022 3:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    Nothing is impossible .
    
    Parliament declared the legitimate King ,James II ,had vacated his throne , which he hadn’t , and installed a Dutchman , Prince William .
    A civil war followed .
    
    And to this day we have to eat orange colored carrots in honour of the Dutch royal house.
    
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    August 2, 2022 1:20pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Agree. However, unless Charles abdicates, realistically nothing can be done.
      
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      August 2, 2022 3:06pm
      - mawm
        
        He has waited his whole life to be king so I can’t see him abdicating.
        
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        August 2, 2022 5:38pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Yawn. This already covered by DPF yesterday
  Do keep up.
  
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  August 2, 2022 4:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mother has a Will. Maybe more than one Will
  
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  August 2, 2022 6:07pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/129443906/man-dumps-6000-litres-of-septic-tank-waste-into-stream-loses-job-and-cops-5800-fine

This driver must have been practising the new “3 Waters” regime.
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August 2, 2022 9:33am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That is pretty terrible behaviour 🙁
  
  On a much smaller scale, there is a growing trend in Christchurch for old couches and various types of rubbish being dumped on footpaths and verges, particularly next to vacant sites.
  
  You may be unaware but the Government intends to ‘transform’ waste management in New Zealand. If it is like everything else it does, it will have the opposite outcome of that intended.
  
  Part of the strategy is to discourage landfill by steep increases in the ‘waste disposal levy’. Expect the cost of taking that old couch to the rubbish dump to double over the next 2 years.
  
  https://environment.govt.nz/what-government-is-doing/areas-of-work/waste/waste-disposal-levy/expansion/#timeline-for-the-increase-and-expansion-of-the-waste-levy
  
  Of course the result will be predictable. More rubbish dumped on the side of the road.
  
  I have no problem paying a rubbish levy to cover all of the costs of the local rubbish tip. However the new ‘expanded’ levy will require councils to send money to the Ministry for the Environment to pay for national waste campaigns. Expect more radio advertising about the evils of rubbish.
  
  It is revealing what terrible policy you can find just by casual browsing of any government department website.
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Worry not..
    
    We have an expert technical rōpū working on waste minimisation
    
    https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/three-of-minister-s-family-members-paid-usd90k-for-role-in-expert-ropu
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:58am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I don’t get it. I usually visit the rubbish tip maybe twice a year when I have a garden and garage clean out. I don’t just take random stuff to the rubbish tip for fun. Are there not strong incentives already to ‘minimise waste’?
      
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      August 2, 2022 10:01am
    - surfing
      
      Rōpū is the latest fraud.
      
      For every productive job now, you need a worker, a union rep, and now a Rōpū.
      
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      August 2, 2022 10:29am
    - Ruawai
      
      When you search William Gannin Ormsby on NZ Companies website he is the sole shareholder of KA AWATEA SERVICES LIMITED with Tamoko-o-te-rangi Taipari ORMSBY and Waimirirangi Hazeline Koopu ORMSBY as directors as well as Gannin. When you search KĀWAI CATALYST LIMITED joint shareholders and directors are Tamoko-o-te-rangi Taipari ORMSBY and Waimirirangi Hazeline Koopu ORMSBY. Both of these companies have registered offices listed at 2 different residential Ngaruawahia addresses, I guess because of covid they are working from home paid for by a few grants.
      
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      August 2, 2022 11:59am
    - Jack5
      
      On the Ministry for the Environment’s ropu, from the Ministry:
      
      The ropu is a group of Maori waste minimisation technical experts and thought leaders, with wide experience in the sector.
      
      Their focus is to develop the framing, the long-term vision, values and principles which will underlie the new waste strategy, joining up a Maori world view with the concepts of the circular economy and waste hierarchy.
      
      The “circular economy”? Is that what the Maorified Reserve Bank is up to?
      
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      August 2, 2022 12:48pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Piles of rubbish building up on street in New Zimbabwe would be the next logical step in the country’s decent into the third world.
    
    It is happening in other parts of the developed world with left-leaning leaders.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:00am
    - david
      
      Nothing a good midden wouldn’t fix, eh boy
      
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      August 2, 2022 2:50pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    The underlying issue BY is that SE Asia no longer takes “recyclable” waste from NZ.
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:18am
Yvette

A simple question –
How can people who watch something out of schadenfreude be convinced by that to seek a career in the same conditions?
Leave SHORTLAND STREET the fuck alone!
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August 2, 2022 9:44am
- Yvette
  
  And sorry about the real hospital Nurses who do suffer supremely challenging conditions and now have Andrew Little offer an ultimate insult of comparing their efforts to the atrociously stupid SHORTLAND STREET medical soap opera.
  
  Ha! – should Andrew fall ill enough to be hospitalised …
  He may need a Police bedside guard to protect him from unwarranted bedpans and catheters – a police officer recruited from Chris Hipkins arrangement with CHICAGO PD and SVU
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:59am
- nathie
  
  Good point, Labour might have underestimated the support Shortland Street has with its viewers – the last thing Labour needs is for them (and concerned nurses from real life) to march on Parliament waving placards with words as per your sentiments!
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One big problem.
  Medical thing – heart attack, car smash, punch up.
  Who does what? Do what you see on shit TV, or use common sense?
  Someone calls 111, the others pressure the bleeding, do CPR, get the person away from burning.
  
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  August 2, 2022 6:17pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Has Shortie had a recent storyline about young men & cardiac problems?
  
  Thought not.
  
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  August 2, 2022 7:57pm
Maggie Pie

Gingas. We had one in our dorm at Boarding School.
Not sure what it was about her but she always seemed to rub everyone up the wrong way. Another girl did wee’s in her Listerine bottle once.
We never did kept in touch.

https://stuff.co.nz/national/129441228/woman-involved-in-longrunning-neighbourly-war-is-selling-up
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August 2, 2022 9:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  My partner has red hair. 🙁 She does not ‘rub me up the wrong way’.
  
  I had to look up what that meant. It is a bit confusing read literally. 🙂
  
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rub%20%28someone%29%20up%20the%20wrong%20way
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Your partner’s name isn’t Sheryl by any chance is it, Bene?
    
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    August 2, 2022 11:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No.
      
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      August 2, 2022 11:42am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You dodged a bullet there then Bene 😛
        
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        August 2, 2022 11:49am
- Harry Knuts
  
  if anyone desperately needs a bed in one of mental health units it’s this woman. She’s been terrorising her neighbours for years now. crazy as a bag of rattle snakes.
  
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  August 2, 2022 2:54pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not sure the carpet matches the curtains, Maggie
  
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  August 2, 2022 7:58pm
- Bluegrass
  
  One suspects that perhaps they never kept in touch with you for good reason, judging from your catty Walmart-level posts after gin-o’clock
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Rocket Lab is putting up a joint US-Australia spy satellite today.

https://www.space.com/rocket-lab-spy-satellite-launch-preview-antipodean-adventure
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August 2, 2022 10:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Greens have been trying to stop this:
  
  https://www.greens.org.nz/greens_announce_members_bill_to_stop_military_launches_at_rocket_lab_protest
  
  If they succeeded, the company would pull out of New Zealand, hundreds of jobs would be lost, and there would be a chilling effect on any future investment of this nature in New Zealand.
  
  They really are dangerous fools.
  
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  August 2, 2022 10:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think we (NZ) are the fools for giving away all our rights for space launches to the USA.
    
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    August 2, 2022 10:42am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      How?
      
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      August 2, 2022 10:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Read p. 5-8.
        
        https://www.defensedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/post_attachment/139061.pdf
        
        NZ dances to the US tune.
        
        The US has complete control of what comes into and out of NZ with respect to any Space launch.
        
        The US controls who can come and go on the Mahia site.
        
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        August 2, 2022 11:16am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The US has complete control of what comes into and out of NZ with respect to any Space launch.”
        
        And why do we care?
        
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        August 2, 2022 11:43am
      - Jack5
        
        New Zealand’s lucky to have a space port at Mahia, but that hasn’t stopped Ngai Tahu getting the Government to stump up half of $16 million for a launch site in Canterbury.
        
        Across the United States, there are more than a dozen licensed spaceports, though far far most American launches still take place from Cape Canaveral in Florida and Vandenberg Space Force Base in California. There are almost 30 space ports around the world, most of them closer to the Equator than NZ.
        
        If you read the story of Elon Musk’s Space X, you find the benefit of having launch site close to technology manufacturing sites. The Mahia Peninsula site is an exception created by the outstanding enterprise of Southland-born engineer Peter Beck. Now, the company he founded, Rocket Lab, which has grown into an Amwerican corporation, is growing its engineering in Auckland.
        
        The Ngai Tahu space sport site is a bank of shingle separating Lake Ellesmere from the sea, known to locals generally as “the Spit”, but in full the Kaitorete Spit.
        
        ““Historically, Kaitorete was our tribal State Highway One, a major highway and trade route for our ancestors,” tribe spokesman David Perenara-O’Connell was reported as saying.
        
        The joint announcement of the venture said it aimed to develop aerospace research facilities, including a possible launch pad.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300320221/new-rocket-launch-site-proposed-for-canterbury-aerospace-industry
        
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        August 2, 2022 12:36pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        NZ does not need another spaceport, and particularly not in the south Island. The only use case is for sun-synchronous orbits, which are a small observation satellite market adequately served by numerous other high latitude launch sites. The whole space launch industry is likely to obliterated by SpaceX in a few years once their fully reuseable Starship rocket is operational and able to launch satellites for 1-10% of current prices – they can undercut all competitors including rocketlab at that point.
        
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        August 2, 2022 12:50pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I thought we were China’s biatch, sounds like Cindy puts out for anyone she deems big and powerful. Oh well.
        
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        August 2, 2022 10:50pm
    - virtualmark
      
      We don’t.
      
      It’s set out in the Outer Space and High Altitude Activities Act 2017, and in the accompanying regulations for licenses and permits.
      
      Under international law the country that the rocket is launched from is responsible for the payload. Every payload is approved by Ministers, acting on advice from the New Zealand Space Agency and the usual security agencies.
      
      But, not surprisingly, we are happy to help our traditional partners. And we benefit under the Five Eyes arrangements. So it’s in our interests.
      
      But I will be very surprised if we ever see a Chinese military or spy satellite launched from here.
      
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      August 2, 2022 12:45pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Yeah.
      
      NZ can go it alone without Pax Americana.
      
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      August 2, 2022 9:28pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    The question that needs to be asked is, how many Green Party MP’s do not stand on their tongues when they walk?
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:27pm
    - tf78
      
      How many of the Green’s are actually New Zealander’s these days?
      
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      August 2, 2022 7:52pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Had an interesting interaction with Paul Buchanan and Wayne Mapp about the implications of Spacelab launching US military satellites here, The undergraduate NRO.
  
  If the contract to deliver military payloads is solely and exclusively with the US, then Rocket Lab has painted a target on Launch Complex 1 in the event that the US becomes embroiled in a large-scale conflict with a major power.
  
  However, thanks to Spacelab, New Zealand goes for the Moon!, which is pretty cool.
  
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  August 2, 2022 11:35am
  - virtualmark
    
    Given the light throw weight of RocketLab’s Electron rocket it can’t launch the “serious” military or spy satellites. So I don’t imagine the Chinese would be motivated to waste a scarce nuke on Mahia.
    
    And given the “above top secret” security ratings of the “serious” military or spy satellites I can’t imagine the US allowing them to be launched from outside the continental US, and most likely not by an external contractor like RocketLab.
    
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    August 2, 2022 12:49pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      RocketLab is a solely USA-owned company.
      
      We currently operate a private launch complex located in Mahia, New Zealand, which we refer to as Launch Complex 1 (“LC-1”). This launch complex is supported by a bi-lateral treaty between the United States and New Zealand governments that enables us to use U.S. launch and spacecraft technology for launches at LC-1 that otherwise would not be permitted for launches from foreign soil. This treaty provides us with a competitive advantage over other companies launching rockets from outside the U.S. that do not have the benefit of such a treaty.
      
      https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1819994/000095017022004458/rklb-20211231.htm
      
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      August 2, 2022 1:44pm
      - virtualmark
        
        It is now, so that it could (a) have less troubles with ITAR proliferation rules and (b) be in the running for US military contracts.
        
        But the majority of staff are Kiwis, who won’t have, and won’t easily get, the sort of US security clearances required to work on serious military/spy stuff.
        
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        August 3, 2022 6:58am
    - Aunty
      
      What do they need to nuke it for? The can just lob a few cruise or long range missiles at it from their to be built military base in the Solomons, or from a ship or submarine at sea, or from aircraft. Launched from either an aircraft carrier or a long range bomber. Fly as far south as Norfolk island and deploy them from there. They can target the factory in Mt Wellington while they are at it.
      
      Of course, we could always defend our islands by scrambling our air force at any missiles launched……… (sound of chirping crickets.)
      
      Never underestimate the dangerous hubris of the fools that live in this country, eh, Helen?
      
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      August 2, 2022 5:07pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        At it’s best, the NZ airforce would last all of a couple of hours if it were up against any of the major powers.
        Ask Zelensky how his airforce is doing. Whoops, that’s right, all gone.
        
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        August 2, 2022 10:53pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  NASA’s 747 (i think it is??) has been cruising out southern skies for weeks now since the last launch about a month ago.
  
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  August 2, 2022 2:55pm
Aunty

Excellent news. This poisonous piece of filth has been canceled. Permanently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11070757/Biden-address-nation-7-30-tonight-successful-counterterrorism-raid.html
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August 2, 2022 11:34am
- kevn
  
  @Aunty… Who gets the 25 million dollar reward?
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:44pm
  - Aunty
    
    Probably the Talaban.
    
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    August 2, 2022 5:08pm
  - MCōs
    
    When I was living in Thailand a reward was offered for information leading to the arrest of the perpetrators of a high profile crime. The bombing of the Erawan Shrine.
    A few days later the police made an arrest and gave themselves the reward.
    
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    August 2, 2022 5:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Do you think the Coster is maybe doing that?
      
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      August 2, 2022 6:22pm
- Bluegrass
  
  Al-hamdul’illah!
  
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  August 2, 2022 9:24pm
Maggie Pie

Did you realise New Zealand’s total-debt now exceeds $722 billion…..equivalent to nearly $141,000 for every man, woman, and child.

– Source: my partner.

Where’s that Clint when you want him? 😀
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August 2, 2022 11:44am
- Harry Knuts
  
  crying under his blankie. his fave sister from another mister has left him all alone again.
  
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  August 2, 2022 2:56pm
oldfella

A friend just back from Perth says the airline info boards announcing aircraft flight arrivals and departures kept toggling between ‘Auckland’ and ‘Tamaki Makaurau’.
Imagine if you were a tourist heading down our way? Isn’t air travel stressful enough without this kind of ‘wokey’ crap?
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August 2, 2022 11:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The future energy in Europe is coal.
Read that Jaspinda? Coal, and you stopped our coal, and then import it!
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/08/01/germany-france-italy-the-future-is-coal-n486613?
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August 2, 2022 11:54am
- kowtow
  
  I reckon ours will be too .
  
  World energy and supply lines will become so tenuous that we’re bound to reopen our coal mines , gas and oil exploration etc
  
  Heck we could probably even get an oil refinery too.
  
  Not tomorrow or even 5 years , but it will happen.
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:55pm
  - artemisia
    
    There were some coal related posts here recently. Billions of tonnes of it here. One poster estimated worth north of $4 trillion at current prices ….
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:53pm
    - kevn
      
      @Art… Saving it for the next invaders. Along with the refinery plus oil and gas deposits. Chuck farmland in as well.
      
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      August 2, 2022 5:57pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fucking hell. You mean after the Kiwis are gone, NZ or R. T. Rower will become the Epstein Island?
        Mad as but think about that.
        
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        August 2, 2022 6:27pm
oldfella

The Babylon Bee in fine form:
Government That Shut Down Businesses, Parks, Schools, Beaches, And Churches For 2 Years Says There’s Nothing We Can Do To Stop A Disease Spread By Gay Sex
https://babylonbee.com/news/government-that-shut-down-businesses-parks-schools-beaches-and-churches-for-2-years-says-theres-nothing-it-can-do-to-stop-a-disease-spread-by-gay-sex
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August 2, 2022 12:09pm
oldfella

I must confess stuffed does some of the best local comedy around. Just read this rib-tickler at the bottom of a story on their TV and Radio page…
===
Of Aotearoa, for Aotearoa
Mēnā e kai ana tō ngākau i te kōrero nei, tēnā tahuri mai ki te tautoko i a Puna.
As a 100% Kiwi-owned media organisation, we represent you. Our mission is simple: to make NZ a better place for everyone – no matter where you were born, who you love, what you believe or how you live. Pou Tiaki is our commitment to fair representation, equity, diversity and inclusion for all.
If that kaupapa sounds like something you’d like to support, make a contribution today.
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August 2, 2022 12:39pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It would be fascinating to find out how much money they raise.
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:42pm
  - artemisia
    
    When the taxpayer money fire hose is turned down to a trickle, how long can Stuff last? It could go online only and save some money. Maybe they now have no debt, maybe even a rainy day pot.
    
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    August 2, 2022 2:48pm
  - kevn
    
    @BY… They will be successful at the golden 2nd and 3rd labour government handout tranche. More maori words might mean more MoNeY.
    Funding formula.
    
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    August 2, 2022 6:15pm
- mogg
  
  Sinead Boucher bought it from Fairfax for $1, she is ex Guardian. Like the Guardian they ask for ‘supporter donations’ or in plain language they are begging for money. Both Boucher and Fifield are very narrow minded, hence their subscriptions and readership is plummeting. I see it daily in my local coffee shop (free). I always think of Evelyn Waugh,
  “I am seated in the smallest room in the house, I have your newspaper in front of me soon I will have it behind me “.
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:50pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The Guardian has the Scott Trust to support them Stuff has 3/5ths of Stuff All to fall back on
    
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    August 2, 2022 4:38pm
Benedict Yu

It will be interesting to see if this referendum succeeds in Australia.

“Do you support an alteration to the constitution that establishes an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice?”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/pm-anthony-albanese-promises-referendum-on-indigenous-voice-/101284404

Referendums to amend the constitution do not succeed often. The last one to succeed was in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_Australia#:~:text=63.75%25%20voted%20to%20continue%20with,self%2Dgoverning%20territory%20in%201989.

Success requires an absolute majority and a majority in four of the six states.

I think people will be suspicious about the generality of the question. I predict it will fail.
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August 2, 2022 12:41pm
- kowtow
  
  And that Green senator with the Black Power Fist swearing in will help to convince many of the “I don’t knows”.
  
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  August 2, 2022 12:52pm
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  I think it should be More general than voice.
  
  Surely there must be an appetite for Aboriginal Idol
  and Torres Island’s Got Talent too?
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  FWIW, this referendum won’t get up. I lived and worked in Aust for many years and there’s no sympathy whatsoever for an Aboriginal Voice having any Statuary Right in or over Parliamentary Proceedings. There are currently eleven MPs of Aboriginal descent in Parliament and that exceeds their %age ratio of the population.
  Albo has so far in his tenure as PM given Aboriginals the right to purchase alcohol with their Benefit Cards which as previously banned. That’ll go down well with those trying to control Aboriginal violence, drunkenness, and sexual assault issues.
  IMO, Albo’s a one-term PM, if that!
  
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  August 2, 2022 1:44pm
Jack5

Chris Trotter speculates on the possibility of civil war in New Zealand, and that leading to the country becoming a state of Australia:

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/08/a-grand-coalition-for-peace-unity-and.html
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August 2, 2022 12:56pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I think if it git that bad the Aus and US Armed Forces would be in here sorting them out.
  
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  August 2, 2022 4:37pm
Liberty

Yet another prison protest. There seems to have been a lot of protests
Under labours 5 long years.
Still, as long as the lads have been vaccinated, they will be fine.
Nothing more than a hug from a kind, caring government.
Now, if the Lads are unvaccinated. Boy are they in trouble?
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August 2, 2022 1:13pm
Yvette

It is an old formula but as satire still works –
“Interesting partnership between the government and Shortland Street,” [National MP] Penk Tweeted. “One is a fictional setting where people who aren’t qualified in real life make a show of pretending that they’re caring for others …… and the other is a TV show. Sad.”
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August 2, 2022 1:29pm
Yvette

OK – I am nearly done here with SHORTLAND STREET remarks (I’ll go and take my medication), but –

1 – See after tomorrow if there is a blip in SHORTY viewership

2 – following the plot outline given above (somewhere) with nurse ‘Lovely’ about to quit, if Madonna changes Lovely’s mind this evening, will that be construed as A Little interference already.
OR – Lovely leaves ER, and that is construed as anti-Government

3 – Does any journalist have the intestinal (sic) fortitude or spinal normality (again, sick) to ask Ardern if she agrees with Andrew LIttle’s nursing recruitment initiative, or did Jacinda actually think of it and is still working on the slogan – IS NURSING DOWN YOUR STREET or whatever

Further ridiculing slogans are welcome … I think (not my blog)
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August 2, 2022 1:42pm
- Ghost
  
  Adding to this insult they intend to keep the funding secret
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/government-spending-for-shortland-street-nursing-campaign-to-be-kept-secret.html
  
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  August 2, 2022 5:50pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this was worth sharing with the group 🙁

I see where the Horrid is reporting, that in recently unsealed court documents relating to the Heard / Depp trial, Johnny suffers from erectile-dysfunction. They speculate it may be this condition that contributed to his sometime violent behavior, including the disturbing claim he raped Amber with a bottle.

– Herald Entertainment section. 2nd August @1:05pm
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August 2, 2022 1:53pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  this confirms the Horrid is nothing but a gutter tabloid publication
  
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  August 2, 2022 2:59pm
Takere

What has (really) changed in the last 38 years?

Roger Douglas & David Lange in action carving up NZ.

The only difference between then compared to now is that ‘they’re’ not saying the word ‘reform!’

Someone Else’s Country looks critically at the radical economic changes implemented by the 1984 Labour Government — where privatisation of state assets was part of a wider agenda that sought to remake New Zealand as a model free-market state. The trickle-down ‘Rogernomics’ rhetoric warned of no gain without pain, and here the theory is counterpointed by the social effects (redundant workers, Post Office closures).

It didnt work then, and it isnt going to work now.

PS. Even then they didnt limit how many times they used the word, “Crisis!”

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/someone-elses-country-1996
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August 2, 2022 2:17pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Roger Douglas (then and now) is so far removed from this current lot, they’re not even on the same spectrum. Roger was to the right of ACT now. Good job, too, he helped to drag New Zealand kicking and screaming into the 20th century, and set us up well for the 21st.
  
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  August 2, 2022 6:13pm
Loddenthinks

Government pretends it gave around 10,000 payments of the “cost of living allowance” to people that weren’t entitled to it, mostly for being overseas.

That’s only $3,500,000 so bugger-all really. What does 3 and a half mill buy you these days?

Of course, in reality the figure will be much much higher – “Parker said it probably would never be known exactly how many people now based overseas had received the payment, but he thought it was about 1%. That would translate to more than 10,000 people already.”

Given they’ve paid out 1.32 million people already, 1% is at a minimum 13,200 but of course they wouldn’t have a clue how to measure or count that.

Couldn’t run a bath.
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August 2, 2022 2:44pm
Klondike

That was then https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/17/jacinda-ardern-to-donald-trump-no-one-marched-when-i-was-elected

No they waited for your failures first !
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/protest-threat-more-freedom-and-rights-marches-in-august-parliament-plans-unveiled/XYH2BHMIORKNSURSZ3OQLKATDU/
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August 2, 2022 3:02pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING AS WE SPEAK…

Peaceful Dutch farmers revolting over climate-change

https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1554126905615568899

CAUTION: Police brutality 🙁
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August 2, 2022 3:40pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I hesitated at your caution and consulted my astrologer and he said it was OK to view. One would expect this to be a lead item on MSM news, but alas that space is saved for Biden.
  
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  August 2, 2022 4:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What about the whack that old guy got on the side of his head with the extendable baton? I need one of those….probably better to carry around in your handbag than oven spray 😀
    
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    August 2, 2022 5:34pm
Swifty

Stuff’s food editor showers herself in disgrace and shame:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/129456708/readers-reckon-you-can-make-mayonnaise-out-of-condensed-milk-and-vinegar-so-i-tried-it

I’d resign if I was her.
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August 2, 2022 5:35pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Salad dressing, not mayo.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What a bluddy joke.
  
  Clearly she’s never spoken to any other food editor in her life or ever bothered to acquaint herself with basic dressings in the Edmonds Cook Book, let alone chat to anyone who remembers when a salad was a bunch of iceberg lettuce, a sliced tomato, a sliced boiled egg and a slather of condensed milk -malt vinegar-mustard powder dressing.
  
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  August 2, 2022 8:39pm
  - Ghost
    
    She works for stuff, enough said.
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    I was hoping you’d see my post.
    
    Appalling that she feels the need to display her shocking ignorance of NZ’s food culture for all the world to see – and with Google at her fingertips.
    
    And it was never a ‘mayo substitute’, it was a recipe in its own right, a salad dressing, and one which has been a staple for New Zealanders for generations. I see she buggered up the recipe too – two tablespoons of (white) vinegar to a whole tin of condensed milk!
    
    Shameful!
    
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    August 2, 2022 9:13pm
westernScientist

I am a bit surprised none of the america watches on here have made any comments on Nasi Pelosi’s rumoured Taiwan trip. What is going on, are the CCP all full of bluff and bluster, or a is this a genuine international incident in the making? If they do shoot her plane down, that is a pretty big deal, as in a good chance it would start WWIII…
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August 2, 2022 6:35pm
wilderbeast

Anyone catch this:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/pm-in-samoa-27-million-pledged-to-support-climate-change-response-rebuild-market/

I find the story profoundly disturbing. Ardern is in Samoa giving $30m for “climate change” and to assist with Samoa transitioning to a “low emission economy”. Meanwhile Luxon & Seymour are giggling in the aisles, literally.

Samoa is literally a third world economy with poor education, health and economic standards and here we are giving them our flash first world dollar in the name of the biggest ponzy scheme the world has ever known. Do we really care about Samoan citizens with malnutrition, being born without a chance in this world because their education is sub-par, that the fragile business sector that props up what standard of living they have achieved will be asked to bear the costs of this nebulous “low emission economy”? Look what happened in Sri Lankan when the west meddled there…..

It’s a disgrace in my book. National are a million miles from my vote, but I thought Seymour was better than that. Looks like they might both be part of the self serving political elite and happy to have Jacinda as their queen.
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