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NeverMindTheBollocks

Susie Fergusson on RNZ this morning repeatedly grilled Mr Luxon on … policy? Nope, the misleadingly dated Te Puke video. He owned the error & suggested their time was better spent focussing on the problems of the country; she returned to the story like a dog with a bone.

Talk about incisive interviewing, Trev.

I do hope that RNZ bosses do read KB; if you do, your presenter is biased and is a disgrace.
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July 27, 2022 8:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I liked his comment on both Newshub and TVNZ news last night that he wouldn’t be losing any sleep about the holiday beat-up, but that he was far more worried about the cost of living crisis and rampant inflation. He needs to keep repeating that when journalists try to set a different agenda.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    One hopes the Nats will take a red pen to their line by line examination of wasteful govt spending and consign the Media Pardy to the bin.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:01am
  - riffer
    
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    Nah, he’s a liar.
    
    And I’m sorry, but if you are swanning off to Hawai’i every year with the family, you have absolutely no idea how the cost of living affects the everyday person.
    
    Not one of us.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:15am
    - Colville
      
      Maybe you should try harder.?
      
      A holiday OS is cheaper than QTown.
      I am VERY much looking forward to my 2 weeks in the tropics next month!
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:23am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Colville – you rich prick. I suggest a rich prick tax on overseas travel.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:51am
      - rouppe
        
        Same.
        
        Rarotonga in October, Laos and Vietnam early next year.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:47am
    - kevn
      
      @riff.. Get a grip. Just remind yourself who the incumbents are and have been for a few years.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:25am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        And what a failure they have been on every single issue
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It makes me cringe that you think this way.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Envy. Riffer has never been overseas let alone Hawaii//
        Isn’t the summit of Diamond Head just great?
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:37am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        riffer wants everyone to live the subsistence existence that he seems to enjoy.
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:44am
      - John Pakes
        
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        It is an example of free speech Benedict
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:01am
      - riffer
        
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        Seriously, if you think that the average person can easily have a holiday in Hawai’i every year then you are crazily out of touch with how most people in this country live. Perhaps that goes a long way to explaining the attitudes on this site.
        
        You really have no idea. And I really am not envious of you sociopaths.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:42am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I can’t afford to have a holiday in Hawaii every year.
        
        But I don’t have a meltdown because a politician goes for a vacation there.
        
        Before my time here but I can use Google…
        
        Helen Clark as PM had a habit of going on exotic holidays every year she was PM, and sometimes keeping it secret.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/uk-family-visit-part-of-pms-holiday-trip/56JKFJRYJCRXP4M3OAMYJHKSIA/?l_id=428&objectid=10360738
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/holidaying-pm-regales-norwegians-with-tales-of-hobbits-and-whales/SMV6NAKLXKPLICORC4K6HZPEWA/
        
        These trips included:
        
        Climbing Mt Kilimanjaro in Tanzania.
        
        Climbing Argentina’s Mt Aconcagua.
        
        3 weeks holiday in the UK.
        
        Cross country skiing adventure in Norway north of the Artic circle. (She did this trip multiple times.)
        
        And from the journalist that recounted these holidays… “Few people ever knew; her holidays were off-limits.”
        
        These vacations would have cost serious money. And she did it every year. We are talking way more money than that required for a couple of weeks in Hawaii.
        
        Now I was not around at the time, but I am fairly confident that the resident communists at RNZ and their fan boys and girls did not go into meltdown over her holidays.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:02am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Benedict, of course H2 used to take regular vacations in exotic places – mostly without her prop “consort” Peter.
        
        But you see, it’s different when the left do it.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:29pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Oh yes, the same attack line used by the left against Key. Funny how his government did more for the ‘poor’ than the current Labour government. Housing, health, education and afforability all markedly worse under the caring hands of the academic left.
      
      Personally would rather have the rich running things over the acedemics. The results are much better for all.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:33am
      - I remember when
        
        Can you imagine the state the country would get into if the leader of the opposition wasn’t in Te Puke on the day they said they were.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:20pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      why should those who have worked hard all their adult lives be crucified for having a normal overseas holiday?
      you remind me of Sue Bradford – she thought everyone should stay on poverty too
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:41am
      - riffer
        
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        Same old bullshit trope about how wealth = hard work. Some hard working people are wealthy, some work hard all their lives and never get rich. It’s a myth that the wealthy have worked harder than the poor.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:44am
      - BeaB
        
        But like all champagne socialists wasn’t above buying clothing in top end Australian department store. I was in the next dressing room.
        
        The rules are always for the peasants and the true believers like poor old Riffer in his motel room.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:55am
      - riffer
        
        Yeah, actually the trip was to go and see my father, who’s facing a tough battle with advanced Parkinsons Disease, but you know, keep proving to me that righties are sociopaths BeaB…
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:49pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Riffraff wealth doesn’t necessarily equal hard work, but hard work more often than not = wealth.
        
        If you’re too poor to afford an overseas holiday every now and then, it’s due to one or more of a range of factors:
        
        – you’re stupid
        – you’re lazy
        – you make bad decisions about money
        – you’re an arsehole that nobody will employ
        – the system is rigged against you
        – just plain bad luck
        
        You choose.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:34pm
      - AitchW
        
        I’d really like some lefty to define who they call “wealthy”. I’ve asked many times on many platforms and they never give a clear definition. I suspect it’s all about envy.
        
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        July 27, 2022 6:44pm
    - Maxx
      
      That he can have a holiday AND be concerned for others is a better indicator that he understands AND listens to the issues that Kiwi’s face rather than pretending all is fine and making wholesale change that people DON’T want nor will it do anything to address the MAJOR issues they are facing TODAY.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:45am
    - leoj
      
      I suppose tax-payer funded holidays, like those that the Labour Party members take, are quite okay?
      At least te reo paid for his own holiday.
      Envy is a deadly sin.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:58am
      - riffer
        
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        You don’t get it. It’s not so much the holiday.
        
        It’s the lies. Always the way with the nats. The bloody lies.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Dont forget the nine years of neglect
        You sound quite upset
        lol
        And Ardern is a bigger liar than Trump
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:07am
    - Swifty
      
      Clark holidayed overseas every year – didn’t see National supporters personally insulting her over it.
      
      Quite the opposite in fact – the overarching sentiment was ‘good on her, everyone deserves a break’.
      
      The nastiness must be a lefty thing.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:11am
      - nathie
        
        IIRC she went on both skiing holidays in the likes of the Swiss Alps and to tropical islands … never heard the MSM filing “jealous” stories about such “privilege” nor the likes of the National Party either!
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:47am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        See my comment up the thread. She had some amazing and very expensive holidays. Good on her.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:05am
      - riffer
        
        She didn’t have her social media team do its best to persuade the country that she was hard at work about it though…
        
        Again, IT’S THE BLOODY LIES NOT THE HOLIDAY.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:50pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I know you’re challenged Riffraff, but surely even you must understand that the Leader of the Opposition is not actually running the country. Yet.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Piss off, show where he had the date written down that it was last week you liar, there is only one lying party leader toadie, he can go to Hawaii when ever he wants when parliament is closed, Ardern doesn’t an extra week in Fiji holidaying but that’s okay that’s different, at least Luxons holiday was not pushed through on his tax payer work
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:14am
    - crikey
      
      So who is “us” riffer? Tell us about yourself to give us a clue.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:17am
      - riffer
        
        Us is the majority of the country, who ARE facing problems with the cost of living.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I think he is ztev returned. Banned many times and then forever.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:10am
      - riffer
        
        Sorry dude, no. And the only way I am likely to be banned is because I’m a bit of a potty-mouth. If they ban me for that so be it.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:51pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Riffer, unfortunately the cost of living issues you (and everyone else) face(s) have nothing to do with Luxon or the National Party. The issue is entirely one of Labour’s making. So perhaps taking your angst out on them would be a better option.
        
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        July 27, 2022 2:37pm
    - Chris Walden
      
      Jealous much?
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:17am
      - riffer
        
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        I don’t give a flying fuck that Luxon had a holiday overseas. I had one in May in Australia. My problem, and many others, is that he had to lie about it.
        
        He’s just another Scomo. Another Prosperity Christian who couldn’t lie straight in bed.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:46am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Riffraff: “My problem, and many others,” – why don’t you have a nice lie down and tell us all about your many other problems?
        
        Go on, we’re listening. All ears in fact.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:37pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Riffer, I used to quite like travelling about New Zealand, staying at weird and wonderful motels.
      
      Thanks to Jacinda’s policies I would now have to scout out which of the motels in question was ‘safe’…
      
      Life is too short.
      
      We’re off, in September, for a jaunt that takes in San Francisco, San Diego, Noo Yawk, Philadelphia, DC, Gettysburg, Toronto, Vegas Baby and San Fran again…
      
      I suppose you reckon I have no idea of the cost of living, heh.
      
      I will, I think, manage to cope with your disapproval…
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:39am
      - riffer
        
        You can afford a holiday overseas, because you worked hard and saved for it? Good on you. Awesome. I hope you have a great time.
        
        At least you’re not trying to tell us all that you were working hard for the good of the country while you are swanning off overseas.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:47am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Biscuit – did you think about the bros who are struggling? If so good on you, if not pay more tax, so that I can spend your tax money “wisely”.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:56am
      - Biscuit
        
        Riffer, just saw this:
        
        Minister to travel to Europe and UK for finance engagements and Commonwealth Games:
        Grant Robertson departs tomorrow for engagements in his finance portfolios and to support New Zealand’s athletes at the Commonwealth Games in the United Kingdom.
        
        Has Grant no idea of the cost of living? Couldn’t he do his ‘support’ from his living room? Or do you, too, think he’ll be propping his ample belly over every Commonwealth Games buffet table he meets?
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:05am
      - riffer
        
        Biscuit.
        
        Grant Robertson won’t be tweeting about how he’s working hard while he’s overseas.
        
        Clustopher is a liar.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      you have absolutely no idea how the cost of living affects the everyday person.
      
      I “swanned” off to OZ earlier this month.. (actually, I finally escaped lockdown NZ)
      
      I discovered provincial Oz had some real cost-of-living bargains:
      
      Decent new bras for $10;
      well-made Jeans for $40
      5 pairs of decent sox for $10
      Large, fresh Fennel bulb -$2.50
      Decent cheeses at cheap prices, etc
      https://thelatch.com.au/aldi-cheese/
      
      Thank goodness my youngster is in Oz and not having to cope with NZ’s rents and prices.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:53am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      I can’t afford Hawaii every year, but I can every second or third year. Love the place and wish I could go more often 😄. Unlike comrade Riffer I don’t begrudge people who have been successful enough in private enterprise to do annual trips there or anywhere else. At least they have earned the money to do so. If this holiday offshore is such a concern to these misery guts how about they focus thier wrath on the owner of Air NZ (NZ govt.) and get them to stop flying offshore, although the roughly 20,000 a day non-Riffers who enjoy an overseas holiday might disagree with that. Luxon probably has a far better idea of the misery facing some kiwis than what the academic elitists in government have. I suspect that Luxon’s success is more inspiring more young people to be successful and make a difference than what Riffer ever will.
      
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      July 27, 2022 12:18pm
    - The Other Enoch
      
      Hi Riffer, Did you get your nightly in a twist when Helen Clark went overseas for her skiing holidays? Nah, thought not.
      
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      July 27, 2022 12:36pm
      - riffer
        
        Fucks sake.
        
        It’s the lies, not the holiday.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:53pm
    - chuk
      
      Riffer: You appear to lack comprehension skills, drawing conclusions that probably rely on your prejudices rather than what commenters have actually written.
      
      I’ve looked at several more of your contributions on this thread and you do this consistently.
      
      Consistency is good but you should also try peering through the red mist to read what has actually been written before you respond. This will also help lower your blood pressure.
      
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      July 27, 2022 12:45pm
    - Ohm my
      
      I’m not a fan of liars either. Not sure I’d call this beat up a lie though. Given you don’t like liars, how do you feel about Ardern’s regular, bald faced bullshits over the last few years? OK with that? And no, don’t ask for proof, or links, anyone with an IQ above their shoe size should know.
      
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      July 27, 2022 1:43pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Two factors to help you understand Riffraff’s and Pakes’s cognitive dissonance:
        
        1. It’s different when the left do it
        2. They really are miserable bastards that begrudge anyone any joy or to reap the rewards of hard work, smart investing and not being an idiot
        3. They are choosing to ignore the reality that marketing and media teams always post things on behalf of their employers. I bet Riffraff thinks, when he wakes up in the morning and sees an email that was sent to him at 2 am in the name of someone, that a) they were awake at 2 am to send it, and b) it’s meant peronally for them.
        
        You just can’t fix stupid, I guess.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:49pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Right, so having the wherewithal to go on holiday pretty much where, and when you want, means you have no idea about how the cost of living affects everyday people. On what planet is that any sort of logic?
      
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      July 27, 2022 1:44pm
  - Tricati
    
    I’m hoping Luxon’s comment about cutting corporate welfare, and that businesses need to toughen up and put greater effort into productivity gains, rather than looking for handouts; was a shot across the bows of our biased media organizations.
    If so, that’s a bloody good place to start & I see Ardern used Luxon’s position to have a crack at him in parliament yesterday. If that’s all she has then she’s getting really desperate.
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:49am
  - Muttonbird
    
    It’s tone deaf of Luxon to jet in from Hawaii to tell us what a shit time we’re all having.
    
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    July 27, 2022 12:19pm
    - I remember when
      
      Luxon, “What did you say?”
      
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      July 27, 2022 1:33pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Only to the stupid people Muttonbird. Everyone else knows its true.
      
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      July 27, 2022 1:46pm
- Nickc2
  
  Media scavengers (Bzzards) fighting for the scraps of what’s left of the carcass that was $55,000,000.oo gifted by the Govt for favourable comment.
  Be aware, it’ll only get worse as the scraps diminish.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:39am
  - kevn
    
    @Nickc2… Sorry but there are two (2) more MONEY tranches to go yet. Only for those media who have toed the line…
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:03am
    - Nickc2
      
      Certainly, but the funds haven’t been released yet.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:14am
  - riffer
    
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    You seem to think they get some kind of payment every time they mention something that isn’t fawning adulation of the National party. You could not be more wrong.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:16am
    - kevn
      
      @riff… I can guarantee you that The Platform won’t get a cent.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:27am
      - John Pakes
        
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        Phew, that is a relief.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:01am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes John, it is a relief. They have more honesty & integrity to succumb to a blatant bribe to maintain mis/disinformative propaganda. This govt. is worse than the Nazis – Jacinda has certainly learnt well from Goebbels – he would be proud of her.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:15am
      - riffer
        
        @Don Beckett
        
        As a descendant of those persecuted by the Tsar and the Nazis…
        
        FUCK YOU.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:50am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Struck a raw nerve did I, Vlad Riffercovich ?
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:31am
      - riffer
        
        It’s a real pity that I don’t have the option to put it in larger type Don Beckett.
        
        The fact that you didn’t shows me you truly meant to be offensive. If this were a real life conversation your arse would be on the floor.
        
        It’s not about hitting nerves. It’s about offensive comparisons between a centre-left government and a genocidal regime that killed members of my family for their ethnicity.
        
        So again, FUCK YOU. I hope I never meet you in real life.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:56pm
      - Dave
        
        This govt. is worse than the Nazis (My bold)
        
        Seriously? Let’s leave the over-the-top Nazi allusions to the hysterical left. Such hyperbole is self-discrediting and unpersuasive.
        
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        July 27, 2022 2:35pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Riffraff playing the victim again, could you be any more leftard? Woe is me, my dad’s not well, I’m offended that you said Nazis and Goebbels (despite being a card-carrying member of the left, who invoke Godwin’s’ Law at every opportunity – TDS anyone?).
        
        Harden up cupcake, they’re only words – who gives a flying whatsit if you’re offended?
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:53pm
    - peterwn
      
      I agree with you to the extent that it is not like a ‘vending machine’ where the media gets some $$$ for each piece of news praising Jacinda or trashing Chris. The NZ on Air lackeys who dish out the money would look for overall performance not single incidents. KPI’s are Treaty sanctity, Jacinda praising and Chris/National trashing. Interestingly some journos seem to be getting sick and tired of this.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:47am
    - alloytoo
      
      No it’s every cheap shot against the National party.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:00am
    - Nickc2
      
      A Clairvoyant you are not! You wouldn’t have a fuckin clue what I or anyone else on KB thinks.
      BTW, the Labour Govt’s looking for a new idiot if you’re interested.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You seem to think these rotten hit jobs appear to be a coincidence, Robertsons puffy half masked face on the news lying about this was all you need to know
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:20am
- slightlyrighty
  
  If I was Luxon, if I was questioned about this, I would respond “Funny, I thought a news outlet would know the difference between a Pre Recorded segment and a Live Cross?”
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:44am
  - Miritu
    
    A descent political party would declare any media recipients of govt bribe money as corrupt, and boycott them. Only do interviews with non-corrupt media. We should do the same as consumers of news. Despite all the complaints here about the corrupt media, most still spend a lot of their time consuming their propaganda. Time that would be far better spent on the increasing alternative sources of credible information. Consuming and commenting on MSM propaganda is ultimately supporting it.
    
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    July 27, 2022 12:20pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Or just say ‘I refude the premise of the question”, seems to work ok for the PM in shutting the media down.
    
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    July 27, 2022 2:16pm
- John Pakes
  
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  As I commented yesterday, his TV “live” broadcast from Te Puke was pure Nat Party Spin.
  His minders were shifting the focus from him over Roe v Wade to Willis. She was taking the heat.
  The Te Puke video was a lie.
  It took him more than two hours to own up and apologize after he was rumbled.
  His comment that he would rather talk about inflation etc after he was rumbled is standard political tactics. Suzie Ferguson had him nailed and as a good journo does, did not let him off the hook.
  He now says that he owns the video. Quite right. He did it. He tried to promote himself as a hard working leader getting on with job when in reality he was in Hawaii on holiday and dodging Roe v Wade.
  Still not convinced Benedict?
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:46am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    John Pakes’ world must be a barren, miserable place.
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:51am
    - riffer
      
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      Only an idiot attacks the person because they don’t like what they have to say. Shows you cannot defend Clustopher.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:17am
      - leoj
        
        Fraser House are sure busy today.
        Must be panic time.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:00am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nice self own there-lol
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:02am
      - John Pakes
        
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        Good point riffer. But that is all that the Corporal can ever do.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:02am
      - Chris Walden
        
        Hi Ztev. Long time no see.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:19am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Clustopher???
        You literally just called yourself an idiot. You know that right?
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:25am
      - Chris R
        
        Riffer: That sentiment is correct except your allegation that Mr Luxon cannot be defended is the most idiotic part of your post.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:11am
      - Yabster
        
        says the dickhead attacking kbers and Don Beckett- make your mind up lefty lol
        
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        July 27, 2022 2:37pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        We’ll defer to your infinitely greater knowledge of what an idiot would do, Riffraff.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:54pm
  - Simon
    
    “It took him more than two hours to own up and apologize after he was rumbled.”
    
    Ardern covered for a rapist. Whatever gets you through the night. You couldnt pay me to fluff for Labo.
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:56am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Try to stay on topic
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:08am
      - pdm
        
        JP – did you not notice this is the General Debate therefore there is not set topic.
        
        Try and keep up.
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:11am
      - pdm
        
        not not but no set topic.
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Get stuffed, this is General Debate sonny
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:41am
  - Chris Morgan
    
    “It took him more than two hours to own up”. Heck, over 120 minutes!! So Trumpesque 🤦🏼‍♂️
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:59am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes, and the pejorative term “own up” as if he’s done something wrong. Pathetic, yet so predictable.
      
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      July 27, 2022 3:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The MSM news reporters were unaware that Luxon had been out chatting with ordinary workers and employers whilst they had been trying to manufacture a “story” about abortion-rights.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:03am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Maggy, it was a deliberate video lie deliberately put out by Luxon to try to counter the truth about his position on abortion.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:13am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        OMG!!!!!
        
        I’ve been a victim of a DELIBERATE video lie.
        
        What can I do?
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maggy, call him an Ambulance. He has LDS, Luxon Derangement Syndrome
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:43am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Lol.
        
        The ABSOLUTE unintended irony of your comment is priceless….
        
        The Envy is strong in you Rifffer… Beware the darkness takes you not
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:05am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Pakes – if you are so concerned about people lying then maybe you should comment on Dr Covid Michael Baker lying on live radio a week ago.
        
        https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ymw1YXbi1YVZ/
        
        Or Fauc lying about lockdowns.
        
        https://rumble.com/v1dory3-receipts-fauci-lies-about-his-record-on-lockdown-recommendations.html
        
        Far more important than anything you perceive Luxon might have done.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:05am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yep, good on ya, John Pakes. Keep that agenda going.
    I will note your comments here about Mr Luxon and when some Labour Party MP makes another stuff up (and even you must admit there have been quite a few so far) I will look out for your admonishing comments.
    Just a shame that nearly all stuff-ups (if what Luxon did is indeed proven to be one) that Labour Party MP’s achieve are routinely swept under the carpet by the Party propaganda unit and the paid for msm.
    But it is different when they do it, eh.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:08am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Just try to admit that Luxon was being extravagant with the truth.
      I fully expect Labour politicians to make mistakes in the future and I will call them out on it.
      Labour do not own the MSM.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:16am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “Labour do not own the MSM” Yes they fucking do, and they spent MY money to do it
        
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        July 27, 2022 9:45am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Some interesting comments there, Pakes. My analysis of each point:
        
        1. Bullshit
        2. Bullshit – you’ve never called them out yet
        3. Bullshit.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:58pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      If ever gets his foot out of his mouth Luxon might breathe a second sigh of relief that Chloe Swarbrick isn’t running a leadership bid for the Greens. She’s a vote catcher that wins over the Green’s internal frictions.
      Speaking of catchers, because Jacinda says she doesn’t use attack the person politics we are unlikely to see an election campaign video showing Luxon doing that break dance on his shoulders whilst playing cricket with a caption “would you trust this man with the economy.” But if things get tight, it’s probably up Grant’s sleeve as he is a master of sarc.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:18am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        No Jacinda just attacks pizza workers on minimum wage ay Brian… Officially not a person based on your hagiographic postioning of Jacinda… Because she doesnt do personal attacks or lies…
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:07am
      - cmm
        
        Chloe might be a vote catcher.
        If so, who is she going to steal votes off? She’s going to steal votes off Labour, not National.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:22am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        If you’re worried about internal frictions you can get some cream for that.
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:00pm
  - jon
    
    Cost of living will trump Roe and Wade as an issue!
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:31am
  - Than
    
    OMG, two whole hours! Why was he not glued to his TV so he could monitor every media release sent out in his name and verify its accuracy within seconds.
    
    Please.
    
    Yes this was a bit sloppy from Luxon’s office. But much as Labourites may try to talk it up, it’s just an absolute non-story. He did actually go to Te Puke only last week, and he confessed to the inaccuracy pretty much immediately.
    
    The fact that Labour is trying to make something out of this utter nothing just shows how desperate they are to avoid talking about substantial matters, like the pain their inflation is causing everyday Kiwis.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:34am
    - riffer
      
      The reason why it’s a story is because he’s talked up his management skills and how he is the best person to lead the country, and he’s blatantly showing, with these constant, simple mistakes, that he’s anything but.
      
      Nicola Willis is ten times the leader he will ever be.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:52am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        “constant, simple mistakes”. Which would they be riffer? Given Luxon has had a stellar career as a leader, it appears you wouldn’t know a leader if one fell into your lap. I guess that is the scourge of one who has never been there.
        
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        July 27, 2022 2:44pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    With respect, this comes across as unhinged. I don’t follow where Mr Luxon goes on vacation. Why should anyone care? There is a parliamentary recess. Why do you care that he has gone on vacation? And what on earth does the ‘Roe v Wade’ decision in the USA have to do with New Zealand.
    
    It is not a question of me not being ‘convinced’. I simply have no idea what you are on about.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:35am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Good heavens Benedict.
      Do you not understand that every woman in New Zealand is concerned about abortion?
      And that the Christian Right that rules SCOTUS denies women the right to choose what is to happen to their bodies?
      And that the Christian Right of New Zealand whom Luxon would support would also deny the right of the women of New Zealand to choose what is to happen to their bodies?
      Where have you been!!!
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:09am
      - Swifty
        
        You’re sounding desperate now John.
        
        It’s not a good look.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:17am
      - cmm
        
        “Do you not understand that every woman in New Zealand is concerned about abortion?”
        Maybe in your bubble.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:23am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your ignorance about the Supreme Court is huge.
        Luxon is on record saying the Law wont change.
        Educate yourself. You are coming across as an ignorant religious bigot.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:24am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Good grief John. Every woman in NZ concerned about abortion? Really? Most woman I know disagree with abortion, and thousands I don’t know also do.
        SCOTUS did not stop anyone having an abortion – all they ruled was that there is no right written into the Constitution for abortion, so the decision whether or not to allow abortion is to be determined by each State individually. Woen in the USA can still procure an abortion if that is what they want – they may just have to go to the State next door.
        Abortion – the ultimate in child abuse.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:26am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Good heavens John.
        
        Do you not understand that SCOTUS hasn’t denied anything? They have simply sent decisions back to States to be made democratically by elected representatives as per the Constitution. They simply never had the right to make that decision in the first place. Yes, some of those elected representatives are religious dickheads but that’s on them, not SCOTUS. It’s not SCOTUS’s job to make moral decisions.
        
        Luxon, whilst believing abortion is wrong has stated that they will not change the rules. Full stop. We are a Democracy and the bigotted religious dickheads simply don’t have the numbers to change the laws. There is no story here and it’s just being pushed by dishonest people like youself to try to undermine the Right to keep power for the Left (i.e. it’s just a dogwhistle to attack National).
        
        Where have you been???
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:33am
      - Nickc2
        
        The SCOTUS has fuck all to do with NZ.
        All the SCOTUS did was give the responsibility for abortion back to individual states of the US iaw the Constitution of the US.
        As for abortion in NZ, that’s up to the individual and her Doctor AFIK.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:38am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        John you must know some odd women, none of my female friends is concerned at all about abortion access in the USA and their changes. We all know the christian teaching and also know there is no appetite in National to make any changes.
        Please stop projecting what you would do when in power onto the rest of us please.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:38am
      - BeaB
        
        No John. I am a woman and I don’t care about abortion because the laws in NZ have been agreed on by Parliament.
        I may have the right to do what I want with my body as long as I wear a mask, get vaxxed etc etc but once past a certain point in a pregnancy there’s another viable person involved too.
        Speak for yourself and don’t put words in women’s mouths.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:05am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Do you not understand that every woman in New Zealand is concerned about abortion?”
        
        Funny, no woman I know has raised with me the subject of abortion or the USA Supreme Court judgment.
        
        For those women who are concerned, New Zealand has a liberal law about access to abortions, introduced 2 years ago, which will not change under any government. Not in the forseeable future anyway. And USA law has no bearing.
        
        I prefer to focus on the hundreds of real problems in New Zealand. Not the ones inside your head.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:13am
      - leoj
        
        Mandatory vaccinations are okay I suppose.
        My body, my choice.
        Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:31am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        John……
        
        In Parliament, when there was a vote on Abortion, there were 3 MP’s with the surname O’Conner in Parliament.
        
        All 3 voted against the bill.
        
        2 of These MP’s were Labour, 1 was National.
        
        Who did the MSM focus on?
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:56am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        What a load of twaddle John. All that has happened is that the abortionists now have to VOTE for Representatives that support abortion. So if there are enough of them, as every leftist claims there are, abortion won’t be an issue in the US (so the whole thing is just a left wing beat-up, as they do not have any truck with actual democracy). And just as an FYI, women have always had the choice as to what to do with their bodies. It’s just that sometimes, they have been restricted from interfering with someone elses body. There, all sorted for you.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:57pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        My goodness you’ve fallen out of the stupid tree today Pakes, and managed to hit every branch on the way down, it seems.
        
        “Do you not understand that every woman in New Zealand is concerned about abortion?” No, I do not understand that, because it’s egregious bullshit even by your standards.
        
        The law in New Zealand says abortion is legal. Luxon has said publicly he accepts that and would not repeal, relitigate or even re-visit that legislation when he becomes Prime Minister. Here’s a link, ironically enough on Newshub, the most biased left-leaning media outlet in the country –
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/christopher-luxon-rules-out-changing-abortion-laws-if-he-becomes-prime-minister.html
        
        To use your own words, do you not understand that?
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:04pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        So John, as a man you feel free to speak on behalf of all NZ women.
        
        That’s a bit patronising, isn’t it?
        
        Almost as if you think that they can’t speak for themselves.
        
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        July 27, 2022 7:41pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Who the fuck cares about Roe v Wade. Its an American policy change that our failing Labour government and people like you are trying to turn into an attack weapon against National because Luxon happens to be religious.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:35am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      “Who the fuck cares about Roe v Wade”
      
      By the same token, who (in New Zealand) cared about Trump being elected? The NZ establishment (in this case the media arm) seemed to care a great deal. Why? Because both Trump and abortion rights happened in America, and being the seat of empire to our provincial outpost, what happens politically in “Rome” will affect the vassal states.
      
      What is the biggest threat to the global establishment’s liberal orthodoxy? Conservatism, nationalism and Christian morality (if not necessarily Christian metaphysics). Hence, just as Trump’s populist nationalism gaining huge ground among White American voters set the global alarm bells ringing day and night for 4 years (and even since 2020), so too has Roe v Wade being overturned (and more importantly, the very significant public approval of this decision).
      
      The broader consequence is that any suggestion of a pro-life policy gaining momentum in New Zealand, or anywhere else that is ruled by the liberal orthodoxy, has to be killed in the crib (pun intended) through the usual tactic of media outrage and denunciation, and thus, the public needs to be reminded that if you are against allowing convenience killings, you are a bad person. More particularly, it is a good drive-by tactic upon the opposition in the short term.
      
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      July 27, 2022 1:52pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “America, … being the seat of empire to our provincial outpost, what happens politically in “Rome” will affect the vassal states.”
        
        That’s utter nonsense.
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:06pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Why was there ever a “Focus” on Roe v Wade?
    
    That entire narrative is a tired farce.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:01am
  - BeaB
    
    Luxon really does have these Labour saddoes well and truly scared.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:59am
  - The Other Enoch
    
    Good grief John, how can you ignore the constant spin around mendacity that emanates from the PM’s office? It really shows how shallow and blinded some of you Labour Party brownshirts are.
    
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    July 27, 2022 12:39pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s absolutely crazy, and you need look no further than blowhard Robertson spouting how rotten it was he said he was somewhere when he wasn’t, well it was recorded a few days earlier, he did not state he was at a certain place on a particular day, he should not have to own anything when we have had a useless PM who has been in parliament now 3 days since March, and the blowhard has been absent himself for a month, then he will go on holiday to the games later this week, all this does is get Luxon more attention, level headed voters who are starting to swing will have seen how pathetic a masked Robertson who was huffing and puffing half masked while trying to speak in a microphone, and decided that Luxon said he owns it and carry’s on, it will only gain him support these vile Labour Party organised media smears.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:50am
  - riffer
    
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    Ah – actually he used the word “today”.
    
    oday
    /təˈdeɪ/
    
    adverb
    on or in the course of this present day.
    “she’s thirty today”
    Similar:
    this day
    this very day
    before tomorrow
    this morning
    this afternoon
    this evening
    noun
    this present day.
    “today is a rest day”
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:18am
    - leoj
      
      ….trying too hard…….to be relevant……which you are not.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:03am
      - riffer
        
        mostly because this site is an echo chamber.
        
        Outside in the real world most people think your beloved leader is an idiot and a liar. Comparisons with Scomo are everywhere.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        There are comparisons closer to home.
        Ardern is the biggest liar this country has ever had.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:16am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I haven’t watched the video, I’ve got no interest in a media beat up.
      If it wasn’t a live stream then he isn’t lying. The same as when you watch a re run of the cricket or rugby. It still has the “live” logo on the corner of the video, even though it’s a day or more old.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:18am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It wasn’t a live stream, it was from the week before when they tried to hit him for not wearing a mask, even though you do not need to wear a mask in a work place
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:32am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        His vid did not say it was live on the screen
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:32am
    - Swifty
      
      What do you expect him to say?
      
      “Hello, here I am in Te Puke next week….” or “hello, I am currently speaking with you from Te Puke a month ago….”
      
      You’re starting to sound deranged.
      
      I think you should get some help. Seriously.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:22am
      - BeaB
        
        Riffer hated Scomo but loves Anal.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:06am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Today in a recorded video from a week earlier, snd that bloody vid and the photo are where they tried their last hit job of him wearing no mask ffs, it’s the same bloody place, everyone already knew he was there the week before, the failed hit job last time was forgotten by you fools very quickly as it did not work
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:31am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      At the time he made the video, it was “today” you numbskull. He also was in Te Puke on that day.
      
      “You’ve really outdone yourself in the desperate stupidity stakes today.”
      
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      July 27, 2022 4:07pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  It’s why I gave up listening to RNZ after years of doing so. They need sold off .
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:51am
  - artemisia
    
    Wrapping certain media outlets together does make it easier to add a big bow and sell the lot.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:14am
  - Swifty
    
    Subscription model – user pays.
    
    It’s only fair.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I note HDA has started putting the boot in after they said she was off air cause COVID which is a lie, she only had COVID a month before, so she wasn’t off with COVID, I suggest she has been nobbled
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:34am
- Paulus
  
  Fergusson is being replaced on the morning programme.
  Don’t know who is repacing her as that has not been announced – still waiting an answer from Mahuta, but you can guess what rather than who it will be.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:57am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Ardern Regimes radical agenda to Maorify New Zealand continues apace. This is good. When Governments get ahead of their citizens eventually there is a tipping point when the citizens push back.
  I doubt Maorification is in the top 50 of most citizens priorities. The first 20 are inflation and the cost of living.
  On a related note I see Graeme Wheeler former Reserve Bank Governor has attacked the RB on its concentration on all things Maori along with his attack on the RB and other central banks for failing to control inflation. He said Maori matters had no place in the RBs agenda and that it failed in its objective.
  The Nats/ACT Government should fire the Idiot Orr and his fellows and replace them with hard headed economists who will do their job. Control inflation.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:00am
  - riffer
    
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    Why are you so scared of Maori?
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:19am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      I aint scared of Maori. I am concerned we have a Government seeking to set races against one another by promoting racist and apartheid laws. Its called Divide and Rule. And the Left are masters at it.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:23am
    - Media hater
      
      Why do you ask dumb questions?
      
      At least tell us how you know someone is “scared of Maori”.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:54am
    - alloytoo
      
      Why are you so afraid of equal rights?
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:03am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bugger off ffs, Māori have the very same rights as the rest of us, this is why people want this rotten Marxist regime gone, Māori health organisation, what for, Māori have all the same rights as you or I, what part are they banned from ffs, same Roth any other sector of society, education another, why do they need special bloody rights, thank hod Nats have stated there will be no separatist services
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:04am
      - alloytoo
        
        @G
        
        I was in fact asking riffer.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:49pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Deflection and atempt to start a thread to throw the racist card. Fraser House rules as usual…
      
      Envy is a deadly sin Riffer
      
      As is sloth, another Labour Party trait based on lack of ability to deliver anyything if substance. Well except rampant inflation which savages the disposable income of the people the Labour Party was formed to represent
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:11am
    - Swifty
      
      We’re not scared of Maori – we’re scared of bankruptcy.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:24am
      - riffer
        
        Because only the white people know how to do things properly? Spare me.
        
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        July 27, 2022 10:56am
      - Swifty
        
        What a ridiculous thing to write – and totally mis-representing the argument.
        
        But anyway – please tell me how Maori ran their central banking function and I’ll listen with an open mind.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:09am
      - Swifty
        
        ….and, more particularly, please outline exactly how immersing the Reserve Bank function in Te Ao Maori will lead to better economic outcomes for New Zealanders.
        
        Exactly.
        
        And with timeframes.
        
        I’ll wait.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:11am
    - The Other Enoch
      
      I am sure that no one on this site is scared of Maori. What we are concerned about is this governments headlong rush towards diluting the value of our votes. Why should some ones vote be worth more than mine simply because of the colour of their skin or their ability to trace their ancestry back to some nebulous tribal connection?
      
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      July 27, 2022 12:44pm
    - The Housekeeper
      
      Riffer, I’m shit scared of Maori and I am one.
      
      – I’m scared someone I know will be caught up in the crossfire of gang violence
      _ I’m scared of the way many Maori families treat their children while claiming family is everything
      – I’m scared for all the Maori kids, many of uncertain parentage, who grow up with zero guidance from responsible adults and then go on to repeat the same misbehaviours
      – I’m scared for all the Maori kids who are constantly told that Maoridom will save them when clearly it is what got them in the hole in the first place
      – I’m scared that because I am Maori, people assume I am somehow aligned with the troughist elite and receive their same privileges when I do not
      – I’m scared that others believe that elite Maori speak for me
      – I’m scared that due to Maori accepting lesser educational standards than others, my childrens’ first class STEM degrees will be seen as somehow less worthy although they neither sought nor received any discriminatory handouts
      – I’m scared that as a Maori my private health records can be shared, without my permission, with agencies like the Waipareira Trust
      – I’m scared that if I suffer mental illness I will be forced into a Maramatanga programme instead of a proven treatment protocol
      – I’m scared that as a Maori I will be forced to accept a Maori doctor who may not be as accomplished as others
      – I’m scared that our leaders who should know better and should say so are too gutless to speak the truth in case it costs them votes and funding
      – I’m scared that rather than getting Maori off benefits NZ prefers to import cheap, overseas labour and leave Maori languishing
      
      Most of all I’m scared because do gooding non-Maoris think it is somehow ok for Maori to be judged by lesser criteria than others.
      
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      July 27, 2022 12:48pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        It’s at times such as these that a mere uptick is woefully inadequate.
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:10pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Bravo – needs a guest post of its own. Confirms my view that the activists who use the term Maori are a minority who attract the disenfranchised to their promise of filthy lucre. Good folk is good folk regardless of race! Well done Housekeeper.
        
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        July 27, 2022 7:31pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “The Nats/ACT Government should fire the Idiot Orr and his fellows and replace them with hard headed economists who will do their job.”
    
    There is a problem. Orr’s term expires in March 2023. He is likely to be reappointed for another 5 years – through to March 2028.
    
    There are no provisions in the Reserve Bank Act that would enable an incoming Government to dismiss him.
    
    Michael Reddell explains this in some depth:
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/07/06/what-might-be-done-about-the-reserve-bank/
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:23am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Perhaps they could buy him out of his contract. That would be cheaper than further devastation he will cause to the country.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:53am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      There may be no provisions to remove him, but there will almost certainly be performance issues that might well see the end of him. Staff turnover is a start, failing to stay within the inflation range is another. I’d imagine he would then have to claim that he was told to do certain things by the current Government. And yet, he is supposedly independent.
      
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      July 27, 2022 2:52pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I don’t know, Michael Riddell is pretty damn knowledgeable. If he says it will be difficult to remove him, I am inclined to trust his judgement.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:03pm
      - CJames
        
        National can change the board and governance structure of RBNZ. That can severely limit his damaging ability.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  RNZ has bosses? Really?
  I thought it was just all children doing as they please
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:33am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I see the new rules of the “inclusive” Green Party make no provision for white males in their co-leadership. LOL.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:37am
  - peterwn
    
    Well, the attempted coup against James Shaw collapsed in a heap. A membership minority can start a rumble but it does not help if James had >50% support which he obviously had and confirmed that in a few days. Other wannabes tested support, found it was not there and decided not to run to avoid making idiots of themselves. So despite what critics say, James Shaw is now in a more secure position than before the ill-considered ‘coup’. So perhaps after the next election if Greens are in a pivotal position James may be able to have a chat with Chris Luxon if only to boost negotiating power over Labour. The arrogance of wannabee Elizabeth Kerekere was breathtaking. She said that perhaps James should ‘listen’ to the party membership. Does she mean that James should abide by what a loud mouth minority wants rather than what the majority of members want? It is rather like some Kiwiblog posters who claim that National should grow some balls, etc, etc not realising that this would drive away potential support for National.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:00am
  - oldfella
    
    Would a trans-male qualify (i.e. biological woman masquerading as a man)?
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:31am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    can’t wait for the Greens to go woke – go broke too… i want a front row seat.
    
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    July 27, 2022 5:10pm
- nathie
  
  The economy is in a very vulnerable position (I’ve not seen it like this since the turbulent 1980’s, plus & minus several years either side), the Reserve Bank’s policy settings are failing (and received justified criticism yesterday from former RB Governors), which means if the RB under Orr is failing then that will negatively impact the economy and its recovery.
  
  If that isn’t bad enough there are two other tragedies being played out in front of us.
  
  Firstly Labour and in particular Grant Robertson (as Finance Minister and de-facto leader), rather than devoting time and energy and taking a wide range of advice to help fix the economy, would rather revert to spending his time and energy “playing the man not the ball” by plotting ways to discredit Chris Luxon and the Opposition.
  
  The second tragedy is the likes of the Parliamentary Press Gallery’s political reporters (and Morning Report) would rather go along with this and spend precious time at finding fault with the Opposition rather than hold the Govt to account on their mismanaging of the economy.
  
  The latter is impacting the disadvantaged and Maori (as well as the middle classes) and is causing real hardship, but what’s worse is, it will only get worse. But according to the Parliamentary Press Gallery’s political reporters (and Morning Report) both Robertson and Ardern are off the hook and not to be questioned with the same vigor and passion as they instead attack Luxon (or Seymour) or their MP’s.
  
  (If one thinks about it more, fancy that, TVNZ and Newshub’s Parliamentary Press Gallery’s political reporters appears to have spent all day yesterday working on one story – Luxon – how pathetic of them and what a waste of funding and resources)!
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:11am
  - nathie
    
    To add: Would it be fair to say it seems being the Parliamentary Press Gallery chief political reporter job leads to complacency?
    
    How else to explain their whole day spent filing one story (and yesterday it was nothing more than an irrelevant hit job – especially when there are more pressing matters like the failing economy, health and education systems)?
    
    Seems these people think they must be celebrities, also spending their time endorsing products, like the following …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300643085/conflict-brewing-ahead-of-tvnzrnz-merger-over-journalists-promoting-brands-on-social-media
    
    Frankly if I were charge of the chief parliamentary reporters they would be on one-year contracts (then revert back to normal reporting), so that they don’t get complacent and to give other aspiring reporters a chance (each year) to have a chance doing that role.
    
    That role should be a privilege (especially with their privileged access to all of our politicians and to hold them to account), not a right, to then become complacent and indulge in advocacy journalism agendas depending on one’s political leanings.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:23am
- C-Town
  
  So basically, he was organised and prepared his social media post a week early before he went on holiday. This shouldn’t even be a story. The media is so desperate to find a scandal its ridiculous.
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:50am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Dr4uHfKq8Ow/
Fighting the Great Reset is effectively the Third World War.

The evils of interventionist globalism and pseudo-marxism are apparent. We must destroy them forever. [13:52]
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July 27, 2022 8:02am
artemisia

Bioplant NZ wants to build pyrolysis plants in Tolaga Bay, Feilding and Hokitika, while there are also plans by others to build plants in Te Awamutu and Waimate.

Some opponents say pollutants will be produced, and anyway people will carry on buying more stuff instead of the opposite. Not to mention risky, somehow or other, so the government should say no way.

Let’s do some pilots and see what actually happens.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300644444/greens-national-weigh-in-on-wastetoenergy-plant-proposals
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July 27, 2022 8:02am
- Tomtoddy
  
  I visited a plant in Frankfurt where there was absolutely nothing entering the atmosphere. The only waste was a very small residual ash that was vitrified and put into the base metal for roading. The plant took all ribbish and even burnt sewerage.
  
  Boiler temperatures were 1,800 degrees so no dangerous toxic elements left. It literally had no chimney. It was in a residential area.
  
  Greens are anti-progress not interested in solutions.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:27am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Tom the Green have a vested interest in not solving the problems in the same way Labour have a vested interest in not lifting anyone out of poverty or welfare dependency.
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:54am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I often wonder why something similar wasn’t tried using the old Meremere Power Station site. Hard to beat that plant you saw. At the time I didn’t know how the emissions would be overcome, I got stuck with a water filtering dilution process but I see how the Germans overcame that using a furnace, be interesting to read some data on it. We need a cross-party committee to grapple with all these options and get some underway.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:30am
    - Hebe123
      
      Where is the real Brian?
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:08am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      Brian – a group fought quite hard to establish a solution for the Meremere plant but the ignorance of those in control and the mad, hairbrained attitude of the Greens stopped them.
      
      The Greens would rather put the rubbish in huge holes and have their grandchildren grapple with leaching problems for the rest of time. Few people realise we are building a mountain of rubbish over 500 feet high not far from the Waikato river. That is stupidity on steroids.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mentioned a bad word Tom. “Roading”
    We don’t want roading in NZ, we want all roads destroyed
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:58am
- JJ56
  
  If you want to do pilots, don’t get Bioplant to do it. They are appalling, you don’t need to go past their name to get the drift – plastics are bio?
  
  But Green Party environment spokesperson Eugenie Sage is no better. “About 80% of New Zealand’s energy came from renewable sources …” is embarrassing rubbish from a Party that dines out on this stuff (it’s less than 10%), and “Burning municipal waste for energy is a throwback to the attitudes of last century” shows a basic lack of understanding of the processes involved (pyrolysis isn’t burning).
  
  The Greens do have a problem here, they extol the virtues of reuse, but when it comes to energy, that is up there with food in terms of our basic necessities, they rail against people reducing its waste.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:05am
  - JJ56
    
    My bad it’s closer to 30% renewables.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:41am
- OlderChas
  
  I wonder if burning Indonesian coal produces any pollutants?
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A pyrolysis plant in Gisborne might make sense… but NOT Tolaga Bay…where the roads in and out of the town are impassable every time a “100-year weather event” rolls in.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018835551/weather-gisborne-remains-cut-off-after-heavy-rain-slips-floods
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The ‘rent a mob’ say it encourages people to increase rather than decrease waste.
  Man these lefties are funny in the head.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:55am
  - alloytoo
    
    What the mean to say is that it’s a viable solution that allows us none radicals to continue to “Survive with Style.”
    
    They of course have no style.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:08am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cIqzPtcIgc

Liz Truss Vows to End EU Laws by 2023.

These people make all sorts of promises which they have no intention of keeping. They know they’ve got a limitless source of excuses, provided free-of-charge by organizations such as the ECHR. No wonder politicians love the EU. It’s comprehensive protection against accountability. [3:35]
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July 27, 2022 8:03am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YK0V2FdurI
I’m Ted Cruz, and my pronoun is …. ‘kiss my ass’!

If more people were this bold, the woken cowardly would slink back into the closet to their safe space.
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July 27, 2022 8:03am
- Frank the tank
  
  Post Trump Cruz has got better and better. I still believe he should be encouraged to be the next nominal leader of the SCOTUS replacing Roberts when he retires.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:27am
  - curry4me
    
    Yeah, that’d be a good idea. I think he’d like that more than being POTUS.
    
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    July 27, 2022 5:39pm
krazykiwi

Remember the UK’s behavioural ‘nudge unit’? Their role was to use subliminal and overt messaging to nudge UK citizens into complying with the latest liberty-sacrificing demands concocted by the political and/or supranational elites. Locking previously free citizens in their homes, compelling children to wear masks and breaking with a century of sound health rights policy to coerce people into accepting experimental genetic treatments. Examples of their ‘work’ are here, here, and here.

For ‘behavioural nudges’ read PsyOps, and here’s the new role for one of the key ‘nudgers’

Susan Michie, a 40-year member of the British Communist Party and a leading participant in the UK Government’s Scientific Pandemic Insights group on Behaviour (SPI-B) “nudge unit” to drive consent for Covid mandates, has been promoted to Chair of the WHO’s Technical Advisory Group for Behavioural Insights and Science for Health. Last year, when asked how long Britain’s Covid containment measures should last, Michie responded that they should last forever: “Test, trace and isolate system, border controls are really essential…social distancing…wearing face masks…we’ll need to keep these going in the long term…I think forever.”

.. and ..

Michie’s promotion also comes just as WHO Director Tedros Adhanom unilaterally declared Monkeypox a Public Health Emergency of International Concern—just weeks after the world’s first-ever global outbreak of Monkeypox happened to appear in the exact week of the exact month predicted by an international biosecurity simulation a year prior.

Uncanny, that. Covid-19 appears as predicted by the Event 201 simulation, and a Monkeypox ’emergency’ is declared as predicted by a bio security simulation.
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July 27, 2022 8:03am
- kevn
  
  @kk… and of course NZ/arden imported the same UK ‘Nudge Unit’ and process.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:22am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Yes indeed KK and they are using the same people for the climate change nonsense.
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:57am
- Frank the tank
  
  Krazy – watch for St Ash to pop up somewhere in the WHO very soon. He likely turned down a high Labour party listing so there must be a pretty good bauble to go to.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:29am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Why would he want to be in Labour? Far less pay, and having to work with the worst-in-NZ-history bunch of incompetents that is the Labour caucus would be hugely demotivating.
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:53am
    - mawm
      
      Frank – he has already worked at the WHO using his masters degree in non-communicable diseases. I believe that his aim is to work at the WHO again (secondhand knowledge).
      
      To some extent I feel sorry for him as he would have had to toe the Ardern line and there would have been no room for him to have any alternate opinions. OTOH he could have resigned.
      
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      July 27, 2022 3:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We all presume he will be a leftie, I’m not so sure, he threatened the pathetic Ardern with resignation when she would not shut the border before the hug fest, he was trod on several times by Ardern, Clark, Hipkins snd the odd time by Robertson, I suggest you may well get a big surprise with his allegiance
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:55am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Not according to people I know that went to school with him. Might have had a silver spoon upbringing but definitely a leftie.
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:13am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Fraser house is a seething shit castle, look at the vulgarity that has come from them of late
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:06am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I was a devout leftie at school as well, do you think I still am ?
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:07am
      - Matt Long
        
        Well, you support Luxon 😉
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Blofeld tells lies, but maybe he was told to lie or else?
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:08am
    - Hebe123
      
      from friends that used to work at MoH in the COVID area….Blowhard can’t stand Cindy.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:10am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That’s what I heard, snd it’s her patronising way that passes him off
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:07am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I knew him reasonably well as a teenager. A decent bloke really, was straight up and honest. Also had a rather pretty sister IIRC.
      
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      July 27, 2022 2:34pm
  - Paulus
    
    Hasn’t Ashley B worked in the WHO bfore ?
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Frank, another one to keep an eye on is Baker. He has a long history of working with the WHO.
    
    “Michael has worked in a range of roles, including being a medical advisor to a Minister of Health, for regional public health services, at a Crown Research Institute (ESR), and for the World Health Organisation in Manila and Geneva.”
    
    Currently:
    
    “Member of the World Health Organisation (WHO) Regional Verification Commission for Measles Elimination”
    
    https://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/departments/publichealth/staff/otago024831.html
    
    He’s been having wet dreams about a “pandemic” for a couple of decades. Previously his attempts ended in abject failure. This is the pinnacle of his life’s work. That’s why he won’t let it go. When this ends it’s back to the beige, meaningless nonentity that he actually is.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:29am
  - Sacha
    
    He’ll get a “well-done-thou-good-and-faithful- servant” sinecure.
    Good riddance.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:36am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    St Ash is probably a bit gun-shy of being in Labour. He was thrown under the bus so many times in the last 2 years that he still has tread marks on his back.
    
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    July 27, 2022 5:12pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Not hard to join the dots when there are only three…
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:41am
  - RichardX
    
    It is easier than you think.
    
    EAD used to take 1 dot and form the Star of David while Reid would take 2 dots and form a pentagram.
    
    It depends on what you believe going in and what you consider dots.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:17am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes, Co ordinated on a Global scale.
  Here’s the US version.
  https://www.survivethenews.com/new-dhs-disinformation-unit-is-designed-to-spread-the-governments-disinformation-while-criminalizing-truth/
  NZ has its very own from the Podium of Truth and monitoring of Social Media.
  “Group Think” is strong in this Government.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:41am
  - oldfella
    
    Here’s Cindy delivering her ‘Podium of Truth’ classic…
    https://mobile.twitter.com/citizenfreepres/status/1551560843434684416
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:35am
Captain Mainwaring

What the Hell is the hopeless Sharon Murdoch trying to say this morning?
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July 27, 2022 8:15am
- plc
  
  I have absolutely no idea
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Neither has she I expect !
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:59am
- Frank the tank
  
  Picking up dog turds?
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Well that was a real job, same as Ardern in the fush n chip shop.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:30am
    - oldfella
      
      Clan: fush n CHUP. 😉
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think she is alluding to the fact that Maori have not been put in charge of running Facial Identification services (yet).
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/471626/maori-data-specialists-not-consulted-on-facial-recognition-technology-data-sovereignty-expert
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:37am
  - oldfella
    
    Maggy, I’m sure someone in MahutaCorp could run that.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:37am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Sharon Murdoch wakes up miserable every morning – you can tell by her scribbles.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:44am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I would too if I was that stupid. Getting paid for crap is all that keeps her alive.
    
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    July 27, 2022 1:26pm
Tony Stuart

I’m not normally one to support trade unions. But in the case of the Professional Firefighters Union, I’ll make an exception.

The PFU is currently in a stoush with Fire and Emergency NZ over a whole range of issues, including staffing levels and equipment. They’re using social media really well with the hashtag #FireCrisis to highlight their current plight, which is seeing suburban fire stations closed because of insufficient staffing, and fire appliances taken off the road because they are in need of constant maintenance. And now they’ve set up a Fire Crisis website – https://www.firecrisis.nz/ – which is well worth a visit. Check this out:

A crisis of confidence
Firefighters must be able to rely on safe systems of work to protect them while they protect the community. To walk into fire, the firefighter must be able to trust there are enough properly trained and experienced firefighters supporting them, that their uniform, hoses and breathing apparatus will protect them.

In recent times, firefighters have not had that confidence. Firefighters have been caught inside a burning building without water because a pump on the truck failed or a hose burst. These failures not only put the firefighter in immediate increased risk, but it impacts on the firefighters’ ability to rescue or the tactics they can use to control the fire.

I have nothing but admiration for fire fighters. I know a number, and I frankly couldn’t do what they do. It takes a special kind of person to willingly enter a burning building to either search and undertake rescues, or to extinguish a fire, and at the very least, they should have an expectation that their equipment will function as intended. Currently, firefighters don’t have that confidence.

Whilst FENZ is the primary villain, Minister Jan Tinetti doesn’t get a free pass. She has been missing in action in recent weeks as the #FireCrisis has worsened. She needs to back the men and women who fight fires and rescue people from burning buildings, listen to their grievances, and if necessary, properly resource FENZ to enable our frontline firefighters to do their valuable work safely and effectively.
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July 27, 2022 8:15am
- Frank the tank
  
  I remember dealing with FENZ for our Dangerous Goods certification and the fail I got because one of our signs had a red background as opposed to a blue one…….
  
  The local fire station who had to pop round were good value and professional.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:19am
- kevn
  
  @Tony… I recall a firefighter telling me the FENZ was full of UK ‘imports’.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:24am
- Opie
  
  We had the contract to service and repair the fire trucks (in our region) about 7 years ago. The majority were very old ( I’m talking 20 plus years) and tired back then and of course sat around doing not much untill needed in a panic.
  
  There seemed to be an unlimited budget for maintenance but no real desire to upgrade.
  
  The company doing the work before us did the bare minimum. We gave them some attention and got our ones into a pretty good state, made some good money and employed 2 guys to just do that.
  
  I imagine if they have backed off the maintenance budget even 5 percent, coupled with the lack of decent diesel mechanics and workshops being booked months ahead, that fleet would be in a very bad state very quickly.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:37am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    But 100 million for Indigenous Psychoastrology based mental health treatment? Sure!
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:46am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    In Whanganui the otherweek, their best appliance was off the road for servicing. As a replacement, the local crew was lent a 32-year-old fire engine, which was quickly daubed with a “vintage fire engine” slogan.
    
    https://twitter.com/NZPFU/status/1545611230458839041
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:47am
    - oldfella
      
      Tony: but at least those old machines give the horses a good workout. //
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:39am
Warren

As the media and Labours Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson go after Chris Luxon the one thing you could be assured of is that the polls are still favoring National, but it’s obvious that the media do not want to publish what they already know.
I get sick of the petty politics that the media want to play and I also get sick the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern continually blaming misinformation as a excuse for what’s happening in New Zealand and let’s face it the merger of New Zealand Television and NZRA will only make it worse.
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July 27, 2022 8:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The other thing you can be sure of is that both TVNZ and Newshub are about to go into the polling field again, and this is a pre-emptive strike so they can report a drop in Luxon’s level of support as Preferred PM.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:20am
- G152
  
  The fake news sources are more easily ignored if they unite.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:28am
  - riffer
    
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    The funny thing about fake news is that it’s always the news that doesn’t confirm your bias that is fake.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      riffer – no. It’s provably fake. Unlike the claimed “misinformation” that you, Ardern and others dribble on about but strangely enough can never quite put your finger on as to why. Just a reminder of a couple of facts that are written off as “misinformation” but never with any evidence.
      
      Covid vaccines don’t prevent infection or transmission. Fact. But dare put it on Facebook or Twitter 6 months ago and you were gone.
      
      Same with these.
      
      Lockdowns do far more harm than any perceived good.
      Same with masks. At least Baker and Ardern had the good grace to state this publicly 18 months ago.
      
      I have a lot more, but there are 3 easy statements for you to attempt to explain what is inaccurate about.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The last One news poll should have. One out at the start of the month, it didn’t, no leaked Labour internals, and the start of the next month is near, you can guarantee they are polling at present
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:59am
NeverMindTheBollocks

When New York Pride festivities kicked off … I had sex with several guys over the weekend … for the past decade, my work has primarily focused on sexual and reproductive health and rights … I’m pretty worried that we’re close to the point that this is going to be another endemic disease, especially among gay men.

Honestly, WTF, as the young people say. The lack of insight & absence of personal responsibility for his own behaviour is simply staggering.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/23/i-literally-screamed-out-loud-in-pain-my-two-weeks-of-monkeypox-hell
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July 27, 2022 8:18am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yep but nobody is dying from Gorillapox. You get a rash – big deal.
  
  Call it gay man’s chicken pox and stick a fork in it.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:31am
- zulumonster
  
  I would have put quote marks around that first paragraph Bollocks ….
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:31pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Good point! Definitely not autobiographical.
    
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    July 27, 2022 1:51pm
artemisia

Our Dear Leader gets airtime in Alex Berenson’s substack. And not in a good way. He quotes her often-reported overweening statement, along with the vid (marked as having 2.6m views)

We will continue to be your single source of truth…. Unless you hear it from us it is not the truth

Followed by

You will listen to me, my pretties! And only me! No, Cruella, we’ll pass.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-danger-of-lying-about-mrna-vaccine
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July 27, 2022 8:19am
I remember when

James Shaw Facebook:
“The UK’s had its hottest day EVER.”

Some news for James – every place has had a hottest day ever.
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July 27, 2022 8:19am
- emmess
  
  Correction, UK airports have had their hottest days ever
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1WLjYAttV8
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Watson does it so well.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:30am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, big areas of tarmac with massive air conditioners belching out heat….. get hot!
    
    Here’s Heathrow in the 1960s (not 1950s as the title says). Lots of grass between runways, small buildings with no (or very minimal) air conditioning:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nZm9jKYXFQ
    
    How is it reasonable to compare these?
    
    One thing’s for sure: any half competent scientist would reject that as invalid data.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:43am
- alloytoo
  
  apart from the medieval warm period and the Roman warm period….
  
  Though the Romans built a lot of roads, probably accounts for that.
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:17am
- Cinematic
  
  Ever since pesky humans were around to record such things. This amounts to such a minuscule amount of time it’s beyond human comprehension.
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:20am
- oldfella
  
  IRW: what they consistently forget to say is that it is the hottest day since records began. Maybe a hundred of so years or so. Before that…who knows?
  Never any mention of how hot it might have been when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and their farts caused an early case of global warming. //
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:47am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yes, and just to fuck up the narrative, NZ was Rangiora, 7 Feb, 1973. In fact, most of the “hottest day” around NZ were recorded on that day. Christchurch, Ashburton, Timaru. So yeah, having a “hottest day” means the sky is falling.
  
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  July 27, 2022 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

The *EFESO CIRCUS* comes to town…Bernard Orsman reports:

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/bernard-orsman/

Honestly, I’ve got hundreds of friends in Auckland.
Thousands all round the world on various SM platforms.
But fuck me….not a single one of them has Tourettes 😀
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July 27, 2022 8:24am
- Frank the tank
  
  When I worked in corporate land many thought I had organizational tourettes.
  
  Never could ‘fake it to make it’
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:32am
- greybeard
  
  I’ll also bet that none of them take eggs to a debate!
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:06pm
Ehlana

Today is both National Scotch Day and National Walk on Stilts Day.

Best not to do them in that order.
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July 27, 2022 8:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Walking on stilts is something I could only be persuaded to do if I had consumed a few whiskies, to be fair!
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Where’s your sense of adventure? 😉
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:40am
surfing

NZ Herald…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-how-worried-should-nz-be-about-the-global-spread-of-monkeypox/P3PP2WWQZ6PY32GM42H7N65F6U/

While the virus has spread rapidly across the gay community in Europe and the United States, Petousis-Harris says transmission isn’t contingent on sexual orientation.
“It’s a very democratic virus, it will infect anybody,” she says.

Then why is it that 98% of infected are gay men! The other 2% just haven’t come out yet! Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
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July 27, 2022 8:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She’s just following Baker’s lead, lying through her teeth.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:44am
- riffer
  
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  Jesus, this is all starting to sound like the bullshit in the early AIDS epidemic. Get over your phobias and hatred people, because it’s going to end up in a major health issue eventually.
  
  Always fascinating how those who are so publicly anti-gay are often busted seeking gay liaisons.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:26am
  - surfing
    
    Weird how you conclude that the facts are homophobic.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:55am
  - Media hater
    
    Literally everything you have said on General Debate this morning has been contrarian fact free crap. You come here for the sake of disagreeing with everyone, don’t you?
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:11am
    - riffer
      
      Sorry, I did not realise it was a requirement that I agree with everything said on here. Is this not General DEBATE?
      
      Or are we all supposed to be (figuratively) tugging each other off?
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:00am
      - All_on_Red
        
        We need to look on the positive side Media hater.
        As long as rimmer is here hitting us with his stick he isn’t beating his wife.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:19am
      - kowtow
        
        aor
        
        You know what the only thing he’ll be beating is , down there in Mummy’s basement , all in the dark on his computer.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:57am
      - Harry Knuts
        
        debate then rather than spitting insults and anger. Control yourself – take a deep breath – look up the meaning of debate then come back.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:16pm
    - kowtow
      
      I waste no time on the troll . Don’t read it. Don’t reply. Downtick to oblivion and move on.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:55am
      - mawm
        
        Don’t even down tick. Starve it of oxygen and let it rage into a vacuum.
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:30pm
      - curry4me
        
        That’s my proceedure with trolls too. Pity this WordPress platform makes the inclusion of an ‘ignore’ button impossible.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:50pm
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s a behavioral issue, any group indulging in indiscriminate sexual practices is likely to be at risk.
    
    The real question is why the authorities are not ramping up Smallpox vaccine production and offering it to at risk cohorts.
    
    It’s likely to be more effective than the covid vaccines and certain proven safe.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    riffer – they are statistical facts. It’s 98% men who have sex with other men. It’s not phobia. The other 2% are probably too embarrassed to admit it. Or they unfortunately had sex with a man who recently had sex with another man.
    Based on response to covid they should be forced to lockdown.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:43am
  - cmm
    
    riffer you are partially correct. HIV does not attack homosexuals per se. It is spread easily by highly promiscuous and unprotected sex.
    
    That is why it is prevalent amongst gay men who tend to be more promiscuous than straight people and less keen to use condoms.
    That is why it is prevalent amongst people of all sexualities in Sub-Saharan Africa where prostitution and polygamy are rife and condom usage is low.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:50am
    - riffer
      
      My point has been lost.
      
      Because, when AIDS came out, people were told it “was a Gay Disease” this led to many assuming it was only gays who would get it, with all the assumptions about “God’s vengeance” and all that other crap.
      
      Look where that ended up. A lot of people, who were supposedly anti-gay, getting AIDS and transferring it to their hetero partners.
      
      Never ends well, all this pointing at others and trying to suggest that they deserve the crap they get.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:03am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        AIDS is a very interesting issue. Have a watch of “The Dallas Buyer’s Club” to get a bit of an insight into how corrupt Fauci is and the pharmaceutical industry in general. It’s a movie, but factually correct.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_gcPNSKzU
        
        An outstanding movie. McConaghy is brilliant. Very highly recommended.
        
        As in NZ, people have been prevented from accessing Ivermectin and HCQ because it isn’t “approved”. Drugs that are proven to be safe and effective in the treatment of covid. But Medsafe very happily approved an untested, dangerous experimental drug without checking the claims of the most corrupt company in history. Yet they seize and destroy any the catch at the border? This isn’t about health, it’s a protection racket for the pharmaceutical companies.
        
        The parallels with NZ are striking.
        
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        July 27, 2022 12:25pm
      - cmm
        
        I don’t see anyone saying they deserve it because they’re gay – just you seem to be constructing that strawman.
        
        But calling this out as mainly, almost exclusively, a problem tied to the gay lifestyle (ie. promiscuity sans condoms) might actually help drive the message home that the boys should be a bit more careful with their toys.
        
        Avoiding the truth because of feelz never ends well.
        
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        July 27, 2022 1:21pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      So true but I can add an amendment. And Riffer take note.
      
      Pox and venereal diseases do not originate from one infection / “patient zero” and spread from there. The human anus was designed as a portal to remove toxins and waste from the body. As such, you will find a plethora of “things” there that do not and should not belong anywhere else in the body. By things I mean bacteria, viral agents, fungi, and more common, intestinal parasites.
      
      You are right that promiscuous people will spread said diseases, but back door sex, especially with the promiscuous and unprotected, are creating new rounds of infections when said “things” end up elsewhere where they shouldn’t.
      
      Monkey Pox, in addition to being a source, is an apt name, since monkeys are indiscriminate about their sexual encounters in order to get ‘relief’ and anal sex between males is quite common.
      
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      July 27, 2022 12:18pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We don’t have phobia’s, but we are happy if the hits the blurter brigade as it doesn’t effect us normal people
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:29am
    - blue collar
      
      😅 good shit brother g , if ya can’t laugh …..
      
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      July 27, 2022 5:49pm
- leoj
  
  Dual purpose.
  A distraction and fear tactic at the same time.
  It’s this government’s MO.
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:12am
- NoFax
  
  It’s important to acknowledge who is being infected and then the right resources can go to this group and not be wasted elsewhere. For example, here in Thailand they tested over 200k monkeys to see if any had monkeypox – none did of course. So a lot of money was wasted pursuing dead ends that we know aren’t the issue.
  Right now it’s overwhelming homosexual men who are getting monkeypox. This needs to be the message and get the information out to this group so individuals can protect themselves.
  Pretending it’s not mostly an issue for homosexual men is moral cowardice.
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:03pm
- Ehlana
  
  If it’s a democratic virus, do we have anything to worry about? Won’t it stick to democratic countries, just like coronavirus only attacks people who stand up in restaurants?
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:00pm
Tony Stuart

An interesting comment from Chris Hipkins yesterday during Question Time. While being quizzed on school attendance/truancy, he commented:

“It’s a shame the last government made a hash of it”

There’s just one problem for Hipkins. The “last government” he refers to was the Labour/NZF gtovernment between 2017 and 2020, in which he was Minister of Education!
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July 27, 2022 8:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Lying in parliament is a very bad crime, it’s misleading and should be called out, no truancy was not bad back then, fact is it’s worse by a country mile. Time these vulgar scum where squashed
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:08am
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/07/rugby-crusaders-coach-scott-robertson-open-to-offers-wants-to-win-world-cup-with-two-countries.html

So the rumors are true. Watch for Robertson to pop up as English assistant coach in the next 6 months transitioning to coach after the world cup.
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July 27, 2022 8:36am
ClanMcleod

The UK’s (apparent) PM in waiting, the new Margaret Thatcher, the fierce, modern, anti Russian, take no shit personification of Boadicea Liz Truss gets her war face on.

https://t.me/robinmg/21793

Anyone got any spare toilet paper?
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July 27, 2022 8:43am
- mawm
  
  Boris must send her his unused copies of Churchill speeches.
  
  What absolute bollocks. She’s baiting the Bear who has many times more military might than the no-longer-great Britain. She seems to have no idea of what the consequences will be if the whole of Europe is consumed by the flames of war.
  
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  July 27, 2022 4:06pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Russia certainly is no Argentina. Though there are still a few deluded people even on KB who keep parroting “they’re finished”. Weird.
    
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    July 28, 2022 10:08am
- curry4me
  
  I think they need to keep looking for Maggies successor.
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:54pm
I remember when

Teanau Tuiono:
“How about FOUR return train trips instead of one?”
He is of course talikng about Palmerston North to Wellington.
Four times the peak train service between centres.

I guess if there is a “real” problem the question would be why any?
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July 27, 2022 8:47am
tedbear

Luxon needs to harden up and tell these ‘news’ trash reporters “When and where I take my family is actually none of your business. Do you have any questions on National’s policies?”
Ardern’s owned media are never going to be his friends so his best strategy is to put them in their place.
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July 27, 2022 8:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The more they try it, the more people will get behind Luxon
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:10am
- riffer
  
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  You are absolutely right. Where he goes on holiday is nobody’s business.
  
  However, that’s not the issue. His lying about it is.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:27am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    No it’s not. He knows that dishonest people are looking for avenues to attack him so he has every right to hide it. It has no relevance to his job at all. The fact is that you don’t care about his “lie” – if you did I have a long list of Jacinda’s and Grant’s that will make you faint with anger. If he told everyone where he went envious losers would be attacking him for going on holiday. He can’t win because people like you don’t act in good faith.
    
    You just want to attack him because he doesn’t agree with you. Your dishonesty, and that of the Lefties attacking him is far worse than his.
    
    Of course, Luxon should probably just say that he was too definitive about where he was or even just straight up lie that he doesn’t lie or say that he refutes that accusation or get Mallard to attack whoever accused him or get the media to latch onto something that some overseas Leftist Government has done and explicitly state that Labour will do it and have the media go on about it for weeks (the stupid farm rules in the Netherlands and now Canada are a good example).
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:58am
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      It was a recorded vid of his work the previous week, since when can that recording not be used at a later date, what utter bullshit this is
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He is still going to be Prime Minister though
    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:12am
    - riffer
      
      Time will tell. If he is, he will be monumentally bad at it.
      
      But hey, he’s a white middle aged man. And he used to run an airline. So we’ll probably explain away his mediocrity by saying it was all because of how bad Labour were.
      
      Works for the other crowd. Meantime everything continues to go to shit while we all act like apes on two different sides of the river, waving bones in the air and vocalising at each other.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:05am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Why would he be bad at it ffs, compared to the worst pm and government in our history at present, he will seem like a world beater
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:33am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The country has never been in worse shape, and the vulgar Cindy and co are a direct blame at said shape
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:34am
      - Swifty
        
        He won’t have to be very good to be better than the current lot.
        
        Of the tens and tens of promises they’ve made they’ve barely delivered on any.
        
        Never in the field of NZ politics have so many been let down so much by so few.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:36am
      - david
        
        Riffer … “…. Used to run an airline”. My, my what a disastrous thing to suggest that a person who had been given the responsibility of managing millions – nay- hundreds of millions – of shareholder dollars, thousands of staff, huge investments in technology and performance expectations of a large part of the population of the country should have that dismissed in favour of a bunch of ideologues who have never in their economically unproductive lives run anything, created a single job or in any way advanced the real welfare of those they either influence or command.
        The intentional sidetracking on today’s GD would indicate real concern on the left that the wheels are starting to fall off the treasured directions of racial division and economic sabotage that gave been the hallmarks of Adern’s time as PM and yes …. That includes the “last Government”.
        
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        July 27, 2022 12:05pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He never lied about it at all, in fact he said all media knew he was in Hawaii last week, what is it with you dumb bitter lefties
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:30am
  - tedbear
    
    What were his exact words to the media?
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:49am
  - JackRabbit
    
    However, that’s not the issue. His lying about it is.
    
    I’m no fan of Luxon, however, you are clearly stressed by him.
    
    If your stress levels are up 300% because of Luxon’s “lying”, then by implication can I assume that you have had multiple heart attacks and strokes and are currently in a coma on life support in ICU, over the amount of blatant untruth’s and disinformation spread by the current regime?
    
    If so, how are you managing to comment on this blog? Or are you posting from “the other side” via some kind of neural link?
    
    I don’t like Luxon much, but until the real problems get dealt with, his ineffectiveness will never be tested.
    
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    July 27, 2022 1:18pm
- mogg
  
  Yes it’s interesting that they will never use the words progressivism or identity politics to describe Aredern and Labour. Favouring one group of people over another based on skin colour or race is the very definition of identity politics. It is frustrating that every government department and MSM have become completely preoccupied by pushing minority Māori values onto the vast majority and nobody will
  ever call it what it is.
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do what Trump does to CNN.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsgzBhG2Qk
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:58am
I remember when

European wildfires: Are they linked to climate change?: BBC News.
This season is something of an outlier, according to experts.
“We’ve actually seen a decline in the area burned by fires in the Mediterranean and across Europe more widely over the last couple of decades, in a way that doesn’t marry up with the repidly changing risk of fires,” says Dr Matthew Jones, a climate scientist at the University of East Anglia. It is a complex picture, experts say, and hard to pick one reason for this trend for the whole of Europe.
Attached graph:
“Land burnt across the Mediterranean region : Burned areas in kms sq, 2001-2021, shows no real increase during this period.
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July 27, 2022 9:06am
- david
  
  I’m waiting (but not holding my breath) for a “climate scientist” to provide data on the quantity of Carbon Dioxide and Carbon Monoxide that is being released by US wildfires and comparing this to New Zealand’s emissions.
  I’ll put a dollar to a knob of goat poo that strangling our economy for the sake of making no meaningful contribution to the hope of stabilising climate to today’s levels would reduce the climate scaremongering to nothing more than trying to improve your vision by sticking pins into your eyeballs.
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:17pm
kiwikidsnz

The Aussies satire group at Juicemedia are back & not holding back:
“Honest Government Ad | US Supreme Court 🇺🇸”

https://youtu.be/jL5LaLT2BJM

(Caution language NSFW)
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July 27, 2022 9:07am
Paulus

Have been asked the following question :
When Luxon takes his family on holiday to Hawaii we can assume, like Key, that he pays for it himself.
Now Ardern and family attach to the end of her business trip a holiday.
Now we are told again by the IRD that this is not acceptable as a tax deductible expense like the business trip(or what ever).
So can we assume that Ardern will pay the taxable costs of her family holiday, and her entourage, like anybody else would have to ?
And of course isn’t it subject to the Fringe Benefit Tax ?
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July 27, 2022 9:07am
- riffer
  
  Do you have no iota of evidence to suggest that the taxpayer was paying for Ardern’s Fijian detour, or are you making that up?
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:07am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    do you have any evidence that she didn’t put this on the taxpayer? Asking is a fair question to ask. She went to Fiji for govt business – did she stay on for a family holiday. If so then should she not declare she paid for this herself? All valid questions. She can reply no then it’s sorted.
    
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    July 27, 2022 5:20pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I remember someone losing her job for going to a drink a glass of milk, that had no cost to the country or tax payer, this is not the first time this nasty toadie has holidayed after, in fact she was late back from Europe as well
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Matauranga Maori seems to be the flavour of the day if you’re applying for Government funding.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/07/26/munificence-for-matauranga-maori-how-the-ardern-govt-is-dishing-out-millions-for-projects-from-the-arts-to-science/

(makes a change from climate change or gender identity projects)
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July 27, 2022 9:10am
- riffer
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Maori are at least 20% of the population. It would make sense that at least 20% of funding for arts reflected that.
  
  Stop being such a blinkered old white person.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:29am
  - artemisia
    
    Hmmm, 20% eh? I am less than 50% Maori. Offspring less again. How does that work for your 20% and funding?
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The left are never good with numbers……..
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:06am
      - kowtow
        
        Oh they are .
        
        The numbers killed in genocides , purges , man made famine , civil wars , invasions ………
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:54am
  - mandk
    
    Silly comment.
    
    Maori are not at least 20% of the population, but, more importantly, you are implicitly and wrongly arguing that the rest of the funding is solely for non-Maori.
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:48am
    - riffer
      
      No I am suggesting it is for non-maori themed activities. Good grief.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:07am
      - Yabster
        
        so Maori shld get 20% plus a percentage of the general pot– foot in both camps huh your arguement like you is fucked lol
        
        Get a job mate or if you are working reimburse your employer for all those trolling hours today…
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You misunderstand …perhaps as usual.
    
    I would much rather arts/community funding went into Kapa Haka, stock car racing, pig-hunting competitions, and pavlova bake-offs than into Ballet, the Symphony Orchestra or Yacht-racing.
    
    But then I’m just a working-class old bag who resides in Kaiti…..and what would I know about kulcha, let alone how to formulate a Grant proposal?
    
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    July 27, 2022 9:58am
    - Alwynn
      
      I’m sorry Maggy but I understand you are a female.
      I don’t think that there is any way that could formulate a Grant proposal that would have any chance of success with the holder of the purse-strings in the current Government.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Maori are probably less than 5% of total kiwis ancestral gene pool. Of course a growing number of kiwis have Maori ancestry, but having a great grandmother who is ngati whatever in your family tree that gifts you various unearned social and economic privilege’s is not indicative of anything other than a venal willingness to cash in on current political trends.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Stop being such a blinkered old white person.
    
    Now what were you writing about personal attacks on folks a few minutes back?
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/07/general_debate_27_july_2022.html#comment-3215855
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:12am
    - nathie
      
      Heh another winning slam dunk!
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue1NT3QhuVU
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:31am
    - kevn
      
      @Maggy… The full quinella of them have crawled out from under the carpet this morning.
      
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      July 27, 2022 10:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trifecta – there are 3 of them + brain
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:09am
    - riffer
      
      If I said you were a blinkered old white person that would be a personal attack.
      
      If I said that you were acting like a blinkered old white person it was an observation of your actions.
      
      There is a subtle difference between the two, but one is a personal attack, and one is not.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:09am
      - rangitoto
        
        You are acting like a stone age savage.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:17am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ riffer
        Do you have a comprehension problem?
        
        You wrote that I was BEING a blinkered old white person.
        
        There was NO mention of acting.
        
        But the troooooooth of the matter is that you have no idea what I believe or support, but made an assumption about me.
        
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        July 27, 2022 12:39pm
      - glowworm
        
        Hey Riffer, your acting like a complete fucking dick head.
        
        If I said you were a fucking dick head that would be a personal attack.
        
        If I said that you were acting like a fucking dick head it was an observation of your actions.
        
        There is a subtle difference between the two, but one is a personal attack, and one is not.
        
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        July 27, 2022 12:52pm
      - riffer
        
        True Maggy.
        
        As do you. The problems with the format I guess. There is probably much we would agree on IRL.
        
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        July 27, 2022 2:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        As do you.
        
        Oh crikey… I have a comprehension problem.
        
        Hell’s bells!… and to think those Dear Labour Government$ hired me for year$ to edit and write for them.
        
        What a big wa$te of taxpayer$ $$$$$$…..
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:53pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        ‘There is probably much we would agree on IRL’ – Riffer to Maggy
        
        O Maggy! That’s the cruelest comment of the day.
        
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        July 27, 2022 8:17pm
    - Yabster
      
      doesn’t apply to him/her he/she as hes a lefty Maggy lol
      
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      July 27, 2022 4:01pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    About 17.1% so not at least 20% of the population. Seriously, can you even internet?
    Also, that 17.1% includes people that are only 3% Maori and don’t really care about Te Ao Maori at all so again, your math is really bad.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:12am
  - leoj
    
    More like 16% but none are full-blooded.
    How come we don’t hear about the “other” often majority blood in their ancestry?
    How come it’s only their maori blood that is so needful of more tax-payer funding.
    You might like being under the thumb of the maori caucus but the rest of us have had a gutsful.
    When the National Party finally figures that out, we might actually get some opposition in parliament.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:21am
    - riffer
      
      FFS.
      
      This half-caste and quarter-caste stuff was ruled out years ago.
      
      Give it away. It makes you sound ignorant and racist.
      
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      July 27, 2022 11:10am
      - leoj
        
        ….and maoris aren’t?
        The racist card is your last resort, isn’t it?
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:40am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        No it doesn’t. You are claiming that anyone who has even a tiny bit of Maori ancestry means that for purposes of Cultural funding they count as Maori but the vast majority of Maori don’t care about Maori culture and instead align themselves with Pakeha culture (which is often over 90% of their ancestry). It is racist to assume that because they have Maori heritage that their portion of arts funding must got to Maori arts.
        
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        July 27, 2022 11:46am
      - alloytoo
        
        Unfortunately if you want an apartheid ethno state these questions now arise.
        
        Of course if we all identified as Maori then we wouldn’t have to worry about them….
        
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        July 27, 2022 12:54pm
      - Yabster
        
        oh “racist”, quaking in our boots now lefty- pathetic.
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:02pm
  - alloytoo
    
    17.1% (https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/maori-population-estimates-at-30-june-2021)
    
    OF course they’re not pure Maori, there’s a fair chunk of British (amongst other) DNA in there.
    
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    July 27, 2022 10:28am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Wrong.
    
    17% according to stats.
    
    And undoubtedly there will be a lot of ‘white’ Maoris in that stat.
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:24am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No they are no where near 20% of the population, once again you lie
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:38am
- Swifty
  
  Let’s recognise it for what it really is – Labour taking money from the mouths of NZ families and using it for bribing Maori to attempt to prevent them moving their support to the Maori Party.
  
  It’s funny you know – when Key made moves to make NZ business more competitive internationally by, for example, reducing business red-tape and with no cash whatsoever changing hands – the left reacted with bile, hatred and venom, “Key is all about looking after his mates!”.
  
  Now this government has handed out billions in cold hard cash, invariably to their own political supporters – and continues to do so – and not a peep from the people who screamed so hysterically about Key.
  
  Political bribery is fine with Labour supporters.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:54am
Maggie Pie

Twitter ‘Word-Of-The-Day’

DEVOTISM (n) attraction to people with disabilities

Hmmm….

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1543380197223071745
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July 27, 2022 9:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m a big Devo fan.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:56am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Me too! They are great in concert.
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Whip it good
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:38am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I’ll leave that to you, G 😂 😂 😂
      
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      July 27, 2022 2:24pm
cas

Watched another Yes Minister last night. It was called “the Compassionate Society”. ( Ring any bells?) All about a brand new hospital with loads of staff and no patients. Once again a look inside Labour’s thinking.
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July 27, 2022 9:15am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  That was a CLASSIC
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:35am
- Sacha
  
  We should be so lucky!
  A brand new hospital with loads of staff?
  We could fix the ‘no patients’ problem in a couple of days, because we really do have a compassionate society.
  Don’t we?
  
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  July 27, 2022 10:58am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, this one is a top episode: Yes Minister – S02E01 The Compassionate Society
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:22pm
kowtow

Parliament must have nothing better to do.
Someone born after 1 .1 .2009 won’t be able to buy tobacco product .Who’ll enforce that .

And worst of all the Nats are supporting this woke fest .
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July 27, 2022 9:27am
- riffer
  
  Good job. Cigarettes kill far too many people.
  
  Name one benefit of smoking, other than it makes money for people who sell it.
  
  Stuff is as bad as meth in my opinion.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jesus H Christ you are so far off the mark
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:25am
  - Frank the tank
    
    I don’t see many murders, violence or robberies committed by People being high on Nicotine RifRaf.
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You seem unfamiliar with efficient regulation and the unintended consequences of bad regulation. Eric Crampton does a good job explaining.
    
    http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2022/07/tobacco-end-games.html
    
    I stopped smoking 20 years ago and hate it with a passion. But the Government’s policy is idiotic.
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:27am
  - leoj
    
    Abortion: My body, my choice.
    Experimental vaccine: Not so much.
    Smoking tobacco: Same thing.
    Not a lot of consistency there berefter.
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:46am
  - G152
    
    Cars kill people.
    Ban cars
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So can curtain rods. Mine is 20mm stainless steel 800mm long, just above my front door, with no curtain on it. It is there for a reason.
      I call it my attitude changer.
      
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      July 27, 2022 2:47pm
  - Phronesis
    
    Here you go: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8746297/
    
    Also smokers aren’t as fat as they would be if they didn’t smoke and despite what the woke tell you, being fat is really really bad for you.
    
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    July 27, 2022 1:35pm
  - RdM
    
    “riffer” writes:
    “Name one benefit of smoking, other than it makes money for people who sell it.
    
    Stuff is as bad as meth in my opinion.”
    
    (A completely formed yet uniformed opinion.)
    
    Many famous athletes, and thinkers, scientists and artists, musicians, were and are smokers.
    
    I wonder why.
    
    Could it be because of the benefits, not ‘addiction’?
    
    Science is conclusive:
    Tobacco increases work capacity
    http://dengulenegl.dk/English/Nicotine.html
    That’s a report on a factual study or studies.
    
    Here’s another, with some science for you:
    http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/05/26/hidden-benefits-of-nicotine-on-the-brain/
    
    And I have many more, including on “addiction”, further health benefits, covid resistance, vaping.
    
    These zealots that Parliament seem in thrall to have produced a Claytons grab bag of mad “end game” policies that are in two aspects at least are madly contradictory. (The rest are just mad as well IMHO.)
    
    They deserve far greater attention criticism and questioning than MPs seem capable of giving them, likely not even having read any ‘evidence’ footnotes let alone read other papers critiquing them.
    
    I started a much longer draft, I may break it into sections for GD tomorrow or the next day, but I will certainly submit to the Select Committee on this.
    
    IMHO – All in my own humble opinion, of course!
    
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    July 27, 2022 7:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If they can’t buy it, they will steal it – with a car/SUV
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:22am
- curry4me
  
  I think they need to keep looking for Maggies successor.
  
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  July 27, 2022 6:05pm
Its only I

Why is national still struggling with comunicacion?
Its obvious the Labour party were going all in with their USUAL filthy politics so why does Nationals current leader always seem to be on the back foot?

Labour throw suggestions their M$N follow up …..simple. (remember several ex $tuff staff now work for Labour)

A lot of us a wondering when the old tired farts supporting the Lux will be purged for something capable of thinking political strategy for anytime after the 1980s?
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July 27, 2022 9:39am
- riffer
  
  First insightful comment of the day. Perhaps the Labour leader’s communications degree isn’t so useless after all?
  
  If National learned to pick up their communications game they would be on 60% in the polls. That they don’t speaks volumes about their hubris and lack of touch with the general population.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:13am
  - Frank the tank
    
    60% LOL. Even Key didn’t manage much over 45%.
    
    There must be periods in time when you reflect on the horseshit you sprout.
    
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    July 27, 2022 11:28am
    - riffer
      
      Yep. Proving my point that the righties don’t understand the power of effective communications in the slightest.
      
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      July 27, 2022 2:28pm
      - Harry Knuts
        
        i would say Cindy is very effective in communicating – mostly word-soup but some content. However she and her team have yet to actually deliver on any of the labour promises – child poverty, kiwi build to name a few. So the words are meaningless without results.
        As one of my old bosses used to say – results not excuses.
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:22pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who said they are on the back foot? Only the vulgar media, calling it a blunder every time their hit job fails, keep it up, it means he is winning
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:40am
  - riffer
    
    Sure.
    
    Anyway, the latest round of cheques are in the mail for the “good journalists”, so any day now Luxy’s going down… LOL.
    
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    July 27, 2022 2:29pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Good Riffing Riffer – why aren’t you using your real name on here Clint?
      
      Just keep up the distraction, deflection, denial, diversion — meanwhile Jacinda, Grant and co keep destroying our country. Don’t give a shit how bad our country becomes, as long as my lefty friends are in charge.
      
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      July 27, 2022 8:04pm
graham

The number of Manly Sea Eagles players who have chosen to turn down the chance to play in the NRL match against the Sydney Roosters has grown.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-league-more-players-join-original-seven-members-in-boycott-over-clubs-pride-jersey/KSTDAC4J4H53WPNL2YREDZGLYM/

Initially seven players quietly stood themselves down after the club announced – without any consultation – that they would be required to wear a so-called “pride jersey”. They did not wish to wear the jersey due to religious beliefs, and opted out of the chance to play the game. Now the Daily Telegraph has reported that some prospective first timers have also turned down the opportunity because of similar reasons.

These players don’t appear to have made a huge fuss. They haven’t waited until the game starts and then made a big show of removing the jersey – compare this to those sports people who have made a song and dance about “taking the knee”. They have simply made themselves unavailable.

And the club, to their credit, has apologised for putting them in this position, stating that they accept the players’ decision, noting that they are strong in their beliefs and convictions, and committing to give them the support they require. So good on the club.

Of course, that’s not good enough for some, who while insisting on “diversity and inclusion” are apparently unwilling to extend that inclusion to people whose beliefs differ from theirs. James Dodd (no idea who he is) tweeted that “The mental health of the players involved in this rainbow jersey fiasco should be considered, of course … But let’s not get away from the fact that it’s their views that are the offensive ones.”

Hmm. I wonder how Mr Dodd knows exactly what these players’ views are? As far as I know, none of them have gone public to explain their precise views (I could be wrong). Maybe they believe homosexuality to be a sin. Maybe they believe that homosexuality is acceptable, but transgender is wrong. Maybe they simply object to the appropriation by the LGBT movement of what they believe to be God’s message of hope to His people.

There seem to be a lot of people making assumptions on what these players object to. And maybe – just maybe – those assumptions could be incorrect or erroneous? Just a thought.
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July 27, 2022 9:46am
- Sacha
  
  And maybe they feel that such matters should not be joined with a ‘sport’. Maybe they feel that the game is the one place where people don’t have to be beaten over the head with the current preoccupation with sexual orientation.
  For what its worth I sympathise with them.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:04am
krazykiwi

Said to a who’s who list of elites and A-listers at Davos in May 2022:-

“Let’s be clear the future is not just happening the future is built by us, a powerful community here in this room. We have the means to impose the state of the world” — Klaus Schwab

This is the same bond’eqsue villain who has boasted about successfully ‘infiltrating government cabinets’ with their young leaders.

Left vs Right is dead. It’s now either an apathetic slide into subservience to an unelected global elite, or a fight for personal and national sovereignty.

But not to worry, right? Get rid of nasty Cindy and install nice Chris and all will be good, right?
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July 27, 2022 9:54am
- Frank the tank
  
  So true. This is why they hate Trump so much – he isn’t one of them and has managed to almost purge the GOP of their plants.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:29am
I remember when

25 turn out for junior programme: Bush Telegraph.
The Dannevirke Smallbore Rifle Club has had a busy time during Term Two running a 10-week junior programme.
No fewer than 25 Year 7-8 students coming out every Tuesday night to learn the techniques of the sport.
They were taught a different technique each week, starting with rifle safety and loading to body position, breathing and trigger release.
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July 27, 2022 9:58am
- Swifty
  
  Excellent.
  
  Nothing but good will come of it.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good that they are learning safety.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:28am
kevn

@kk… A.B.A: anyone but arden.
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July 27, 2022 10:03am
Maggie Pie

FOX just showed a clip of Trumpy wowing the crowds…

“You execute a drug dealer – you save 500 lives”

MAGA!!
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July 27, 2022 10:08am
- Frank the tank
  
  Talk has started up that DeSantis is warming to being his vice in 2024.
  
  Imagine a Harris vs DeSantis VP debate. Cackle, Cackle, cackle.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:30am
  - alloytoo
    
    This makes strategic sense, it could potentially secure the White House for 12 years.
    
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    July 27, 2022 1:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    They are both from Florida, which makes that possibility difficult.
    I hope Trump is starting to realise he doesn’t have to be President to have influence. He has had good success with his endorsements (some losses and some pretty average candidates though). He should carry on guiding from the sidelines.
    Besides, he’s too old.
    
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    July 27, 2022 2:51pm
Surely Knott

Tory candidate Kate McCann faints on stage is reported in the Telegraph.

This is what celebrity Dr Drew said about comedian Heather McDonald when she fainted on stage , ironically right in the middle of her anti vax routine bragging about the amount of vaccination she has.

Dr Drew said, “2 – 3 weeks after is where you see a lot of this stuff. I have a friend who got the booster and he still can’t walk across the room. He’s got all kinds of funny symptoms.. There’s a lot of funny stuff. We don’t really know what it all is or where it’s coming from, but It’s still worth doing it. I’m not at the point where….it’s still worth the risk. … But you’ve never fainted before. So I thought it might be myocarditis but we’ve checked for that. So I think it’s caused by Potts syndrome. We get these problems from the spike protein that affects your ability to modulated your blood pressure. POTTS syndrome after vaccine. ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCxwwEBHVh0
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July 27, 2022 10:10am
krazykiwi

Is “systemic police racism” a conspiracy theory?

A new paper on belief in conspiracy theories has been doing the rounds on Twitter. The researchers asked Democrats and Republicans whether they believed in a large number of conspiracy theories. Contrary to popular belief, they found no evidence that Republicans were more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. Rather, they simply believed in different conspiracy theories. The researchers’ main result is shown below:

Worth a read.
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July 27, 2022 10:13am
- Phronesis
  
  Apparently I’m a Republican…
  
  But interesting that “Covid threat exaggerated” and “Trump faked Covid” are the top conspiracy theories of the Right and Left respectively. The implication is that both the Left and the Right have serious doubts about the true threat posed by Covid.
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:47pm
vand

John Pakes opines: “Good heavens Benedict.
Do you not understand that every woman in New Zealand is concerned about abortion?”
Must have been one hell of a poll- link please !
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July 27, 2022 10:23am
All_on_Red

Is the Russian economy really going well?
This analysis would suggest it isnt.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/22/russia-economy-sanctions-myths-ruble-business/
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July 27, 2022 10:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They are rebuilding tanks with cannibalised parts from blown up ones. Stocks must be low.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:33am
- Frank the tank
  
  He is winning though slowly but surely:
  
  – Selling gas to the Saudis, Chinese and other non-western states.
  -Grinding the Ukrainians into a war of attrition that they can’t win without significant funding and arms
  -Slowly but surely turning the lights off in Europe by restricting gas.
  
  Hate to say it – the longer it goes on the more chance he has coming out on the right side of the till.
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:34am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I expect the Russians can win if they want to keep going and going and going, through sheer mass of material and manpower.
    But they have already lost a great degree of standing with the international community, and exposed serious shortcomings by being dragged into a long campaign like this.
    But do the Russians want to take all of the Ukraine/topple the government? At this rate it could into next year and then an occupation of a generally hostile population.
    At which point does it start to weaken Putin domestically?
    I don’t have any of the answers, other than a feeling that it has not gone quite how Vlad was intending.
    
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    July 27, 2022 1:01pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sure, he will get his bigger slice of the Donbass and solve his water problem in Crimea but at a huge cost.
    Is anybody afraid of the Russian Army anymore?
    It has shown its limitations when up against Western tech and not the usual Libyan rebel.
    You should read the article Frank. Plenty of Citations in it.
    
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    July 27, 2022 2:45pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  In all likelihood better than anything in the west. Even with the apparently “crippling” sanctions. Imagine how they would be doing without those?
  Imagine what a basket case NZ would if we were put under a fraction of those?
  We would make Zimbabwe look like a success story within weeks.
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:28pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Jeez some people can’t handle the truth! I didn’t make it up. Just stating the reality of the situation!
    
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    July 27, 2022 4:14pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Shows that for some, ‘reality’ is different to what one might experience in echo chambers of pro-Russian bullshit.
      
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      July 27, 2022 4:22pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ah! Reliable old milkey!! I know my questions to you are a bit repetitive, but that’s because you never answer me. I’ll try again.
        
        Which part of what I am saying is “pro-Russian bullshit” and why? Take your time. I won’t hang around waiting for a response though, just because it’s you I’ll tick that convenient box below that notifies me of follow ups. Looking forward to it!
        
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        July 28, 2022 10:12am
kevn

@all on… Just guessing. A US based/funded site?
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July 27, 2022 10:33am
- All_on_Red
  
  Bonus bad news for the Russians, tovarishch
  https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/07/26/inflection-point-retired-u-s-general-predicts-russia-will-soon-face-a-dilemma-in-ukraine-n485377
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Only news from Moscow give truly objective picture of successful concluding phase in special military operation against fascists pretending Ukraine is separate country from Mother Russia.
  
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  July 27, 2022 4:25pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Oh no! You really need to check the BBC milkey, totally straight up, accurate reporting. You’ll love it, right up your alley!
    
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    July 28, 2022 10:14am
Maggie Pie

A duck shooting friend of my partner just shared this….

“Not panicking is the best form of self-defense”

https://twitter.com/TheBest_Viral/status/1551612549770141696

(Although I reckon the elephant spotted the gun….LOL!! )
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July 27, 2022 10:59am
- Frank the tank
  
  Why do I immediately that of our deputy PM and sausage rolls when watching that?
  
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  July 27, 2022 11:35am
- cmm
  
  Ears fanned out like that are a clear sign of a mock charge and the professional hunter will know that.
  
  Still, I’d curry myself!
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:51pm
oldfella

Remember when clear communication of important information was all important? Not so much anymore.
Here’s a great example of how not to do it, demonstrated by TV1’s weekend weather.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/07/27/nz-the-way-we-used-to-be/
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July 27, 2022 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What the fuck is she on about?
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:51pm
- nathie
  
  This might not be popular but to be fair to her …. TVNZ management should be taking the blame (entirely) for appointing someone who although comes across as enthusiastic, she may not be
  ” top of the class ” (but rather on “feelz” etc).
  
  Nevermind the sprinkling of Maori, it looks like they haven’t given her elocution lessons nor lessons on poise.
  
  Perhaps TVNZ were wanting to emulate Newshub’s reporter and newsreader Oriini Kaipara?
  
  Personally I think Oriini Kaipara is fantastic, listen to her elocution (both English and Maori), it is perfect!
  
  She speaks clearly and concisely (and if she drops a maori phrase in she usually translates it).
  
  When she does stand up she has poise, along with the rest of Newshub’s news readers and weather presenters.
  
  They have been taught and trained well, professionally, unlike TVNZ with many of their reporters coming across speaking as if they are hanging out with streetkids or “yoof”, and dress down accordingly!
  
  Now that I’ve given Newshub some praise I think I need a cup of tea and a lie down!
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:28pm
- graham
  
  My goodness, they really have jumped the shark with that. I’m just so glad we were away over the weekend, staying with friends who watch very little television at all; as a consequence I didn’t have to suffer through that.
  
  You are, of course, quite correct, oldfella. The country’s national news program should be all about clear communication of important information. This is where people misunderstand – possibly deliberately, because it suits their agenda – the objections to Maori being spoken in the news. I personally do not object to people speaking Maori in general; what I do object to is the inappropriate use of Maori, and that clip is an excellent example of important information being rendered virtually unintelligible by a bizarre mangling of English and Maori. My understanding of English is extremely good, but I was struggling to fully grasp the message of that word-soup.
  
  This article summarised the issues excellently. A weather report that contains storm and heavy rain warnings, reduced to unintelligible gibberish, is bordering on the criminally negligent; and pity the poor immigrant for whom English is a second language trying to make sense of that.
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:08pm
Ra Henare

With all the blather about our major trading partners have worse inflation than us.
I call BS.

Of a total 43.3 Billion

China takes 22.830 Billion or 53% inflation 2.10%
Australia takes 9.390 Billion or22% inflation 5.10%
United States at 7.890 Billion 18% is worse at 8.60%
Japan 4.070Billion 9% inflation 2.40%
South Korea 2.290 Billion 5% inflation 6%
United Kingdom 1.670 Billion 4% inflation 9.40%
and so it goes.
Numbers in millions , % of exports, % inflation
Indonesia 1570 4% 4.35%
Singapore 1440 3% 6.70%
Hong Kong 1390 3% 1.80%
Thailand 1240 3% 7.66%
Malaysia 1220 3% 3.40%
Vietnam 970 2% 3.37%
Germany 960 2% 7.60%
United Arab Emirates 949 2% 2.60%
Netherlands 890 2% 8.60%
Canada 878 2% 8.10%
Philippines 785 2% 6.10%
Saudi Arabia 782 2% 2.30%
India 547 1% 7.01%

Anybody pick the countries that printed money like crazy?!! Yep all with high inflation rates.
Funny that

Do your own research
I used
https://tradingeconomics.com/
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July 27, 2022 11:30am
- cmm
  
  The correlation between printing money and high inflation should not be news to anybody.
  
  Inflation is the loss of value of money.
  Essentially, you can think of money as being a share in the economy. Each dollar gives you a small slice of the pie that is the NZ economy.
  
  If the value of the economy expands at the same rate that dollars are being printed, then there is no inflation. Each slice of pie is still the same size.
  
  However if the printing outstrips growth in the value of the economy then the value of each slice goes down. A dollar now signifies a smaller amount of pie. ie inflation.
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:12pm
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/26/exclusive-ron-desantis-florida-files-complaint-against-bar-that-held-lewd-drag-show-for-kids/

There are some sick fu*kers around. At least Ron is trying to stop this shite.
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July 27, 2022 11:38am
Warren

Why do we pay rates and taxes if Councils and Goverments won’t use urgency to fix the potholes in our roads. Im 72 and in my lifetime I have never seen so many potholes on our Motorways or Provincial Roads.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/27/more-potholes-on-nz-roads-a-safety-issue-aa-says/
It’s a bloody disgrace.
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July 27, 2022 11:47am
- cmm
  
  Because it’s more important to spend the money on poi-waving and making press release to tell you they’re doing an awesome job. Fire the engineers, replace them with communications staff.
  
  They can just say the potholes are due to the 9 years of neglect.
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:54pm
- Paulus
  
  Have to order Tarmac from overseas as we no longer manufacture ex Marsden Point.
  And the Roads Board or whatever, control all of it now when imported.
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:49pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. A big one has just opened up on Madras Street in Christchurch. 🙁
  
  What gets me is that the NZTA is silent. I would rather they come out and say “Look we have allocated all the money for cycleways. The fuel excise cut is killing us. We have deferred road maintenance. Suck it up.”
  
  But they act like everything is fine. Maybe they are incorporating a ‘Maori world view’ into road maintenance.
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Isn’t CCC responsible for the maintenance of roads in the City?
    
    https://www.ccc.govt.nz/transport/improving-our-transport-and-roads/road-maintenance-and-repairs/#:~:text=Fixing%20our%20roads%20is%20part,roads%2C%20footpaths%20and%20cycleways%20safe.
    
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    July 27, 2022 7:11pm
Inandout

Don’t you just feel sorry for the Police.

‘Counties Manakau police are being taught basinet weaving to help prevent maori baby sudden death syndrone’.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/south-auckland-police-to-weave-flax-bassinets-for-sudden-infant-death-initiative/NCRN2S3U4QIODIPLZFJX4MD6FU/

What about weaving bollards for placing outside Michael Hill shops?
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July 27, 2022 12:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Get-Better-Work-Stories.
  
  https://youtu.be/wEW4fOeSNeg
  
  LOL!!
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:05pm
- Ehlana
  
  Perhaps basinet weaving could be more usefully taught to those who don’t already have other jobs. It might be a useful income stream for sole parents, for example, or perhaps we could kill two birds with one stone and require our young ram-raiders and other delinquents to complete a number of these as service to the community they have shamed through their behaviour?
  
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  July 27, 2022 4:13pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  ohh dear god. then again being paid 70k a year to weave flax is not a bad gig. Always look for the solver lining and all.
  So the next question is – who’s policing our hoods? Chippy, Ardern and Robbo perhaps?
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-returns-to-d-c-for-speaking-event-building-speculation-over-potential-2024-campaign/?
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July 27, 2022 12:35pm
ClanMcleod

Anyone who would like to get a reference point for a comprehensive document summarising the disasters that have contributed to the dire position most countries are in today. Practically all of the doom and gloom can be traced back to covid policies.
It’s all here in one document.

https://www.pandata.org/wp-content/uploads/PANDA_WHO_Review.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

THE WHO CONSTITUTION
The WHO was established in 1946 to serve the people and help them achieve “the highest possible level of health”.

Well that ended badly didn’t it? Started with great intentions then became captured by moneyed interests.
It’s an excellent document and great resource and reference. I can’t recommend it enough.
For the trolls, if you want to comment on it go for it. Make sure you bring your best debating shoes. Ad hominems don’t count.
Take your time.
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July 27, 2022 12:35pm
- mawm
  
  There are some gems in there.
  
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  July 27, 2022 4:38pm
Maggie Pie

And I see where that labor-lackey ‘Clint Smith’ is trending on twitter…..

https://twitter.com/MaryAnneGrace9/status/1551664924627111941
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July 27, 2022 12:43pm
Chris Nisbet

Well, knock me down with a feather. After ‘experts’ fired up their models and warned us we would only manage to survive winter and keep peak daily covid cases down to 18,000/day if we all did our bit and wore masks religiously, we now have this from the experts…
‘While case rates could hit 16,000 per day, modelling now says it is more likely to peak around 12,000.”
Honestly, I’m not sure which ‘experts’ are more useless, climate change experts, who have yet to predict pretty much _anything_ correctly after 40 years of trying, or covid experts.
Something I’ve learned over the years is to own up to mistakes I make. Have we heard from even a single expert that their models aren’t worth a punch of sh1t? If your predictions are wrong, the theory you’re basing them on has problems. Please try harder.
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July 27, 2022 12:54pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Anyone want to drive over a bridge these nitwits designed? Of course not. Zero accountability.
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Would not get in a boat with them. 17 ft boat, 140 HP, a 3 meter swell over a bar, and these dicks want to tell me what may happen?
    Fuck off you expert idiots!
    
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    July 27, 2022 3:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh heck…

My neighbour is out mowing his lawn – fully masked.
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July 27, 2022 1:06pm
- alloytoo
  
  Vader or Kylo Ren?
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We always insist our lawnmower man wears a mask. He’s Chinese.
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:23pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What?
    
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    July 27, 2022 2:17pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Du yu not read to the SCMP Bene?
      
      Chynaa has just re-imposed lockdowns as the BA.5 variant spreads. Macau is undergoing it’s worstest outbreak yet! They say there are now eleven cities under full lockdown, affecting more than 115million people!
      
      So I think it’s not so much a matter of “What?”….but “When?” 🙁
      
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      July 27, 2022 2:38pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You thing your gardener just got off the plane from China?
        
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        July 27, 2022 2:55pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Benedict, Maggie is just scared of Asians, that’s all. Totally normal reaction.
        And suggest she visit the monkeys at Auckland zoo, either.
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        July 27, 2022 4:00pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        How come you always have to butt in on my threads, milkey? SHEESH.
        
        >> Actually Bene, he’s been here since 2014. Bought a mowing franchise. His mother still lives in China, but I know for a fact she sends him all sorts of strange things to eat. Found his old lunch wrappers in our bin one day….all moist and smelt like rotten fish.
        So you just can’t be too careful 🙁
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:31pm
- I remember when
  
  I like to pretend I don’t have to mow my own lawns too.
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:13pm
cmm

“Most Kiwis will recognise the phrase “tātou tātou” from the song Tūtira Mai Ngā Iwi.”

Ok, be honest now. How many of you:
* recognise the phrase.
* Know the song.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/drinks/129216703/moriled-coffee-shop-in-christchurch-aims-to-feel-like-home
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July 27, 2022 1:31pm
- Swifty
  
  Yep, learnt this song at school 50 years ago.
  
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  July 27, 2022 1:54pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    and that’s turned into a bit of a s**t show….
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/201849982/have-we-been-singing-tutira-mai-nga-iwi-wrong
    
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    July 27, 2022 4:03pm
    - graham
      
      From the linked article:
      
      Ngatai Huata says this’s (sic) where the mistake began.
      
      “Some people can’t understand how it happened, but actually I can tell you clearly … it was colonised basically. Corrupted.
      
      Of course it was. It’s always those nasty colonisers’ fault.
      
      So what’s the error?
      
      The original third-to-last line in the song was “kia tapatahi” not “kia ko tapatahi” as it has been taught for generations.
      
      Kia tapatahi is another way of saying ‘stand as one’, or ‘stand shoulder to shoulder’. “There’s no such word as ‘kia kotapatahi’. That’s just some English [speaking] person bastardising our language,” says Huata.
      
      All the more reason, as far as I’m concerned, why we white folks shouldn’t by trying to speak Maori. We always get it wrong … apparently. And it’s insulting to Maori … apparently. So let’s stop insulting the tangata whenua, and let’s stop using their language. Works for me.
      
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      July 27, 2022 5:48pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t recognise the song.
  
  But good on them. It is hard work setting up a new business. I wish them good fortune. 🙂
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:00pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Wish them luck? It’s in Chch, Benedict. You can get down there & invest* in a coffee.
    
    * invest – whoops, I mean spend. Too much time listening to Labour politicians
    
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    July 27, 2022 8:38pm
- Ehlana
  
  Actually, I do recognise the phrase and remember at least part of the song. Can’t tell you what the words mean though.
  
  At least the linked article has complete sentences and paragraphs in both languages. Now they just have to figure out that all of the English bits should go together and all of the Maori ones. And New Zealand might catch up with the way the rest of the world did things ? centuries ago.
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:09pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Now they just have to figure out that all of the English bits should go together and all of the Maori ones.”
    
    Amen to that. It was a great article to read (not the subject but the structure).
    
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    July 27, 2022 2:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Po kare kare ana,
    I had a rotten banana…….
    
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    July 27, 2022 3:20pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m sorry to read that, Steve. I hope you are feeling better now.
      
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      July 27, 2022 3:47pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Uptick sonny, for your dry joke.
        4 downticks, obviously all from you.
        What time does Ross do the next KB shift?
        
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        July 27, 2022 3:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Steve, I’m sorry you appear to have missed many messages from the moderators that they do not allow multiple identities on Kiwiblog.
        Also, and I realise it is not just you, but some form of group hysteria, but the idea that anyone would waste money paying people to comment on Kiwiblog is ludicrous.
        
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        July 27, 2022 4:06pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        As clever as Mike is – he does not know what a VPN is, and multiple VPNs’ are.
        How do you, or the Mods know that I am using right now Mike?
        This Kiwiblog has some very clever people from all areas.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Shit, my partner just saw this, she is singing it and she won’t go away.
      
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      July 27, 2022 4:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I do…
  1. perhaps for a reason that is no longer familiar to many:
  
  Canon Wi Huata used the song to promote his anti-war sentiments / moral-rearmament work
  https://www.folksong.org.nz/tutira_mai_nga_iwi/index.html
  
  2. It was the “theme song” of my Teacher Training Class.
  
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  July 27, 2022 2:47pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I think he was the Chaplain with the 28th Battalion
    
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    July 27, 2022 6:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Were you expecting a stream of responses dissing a well-known expression and song?
  
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  July 27, 2022 3:51pm
Loddenthinks

Oh dear. That didn’t go quite as he was hoping.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11049951/Florida-rapper-gunned-outside-Tampa-home-minutes-dared-critics-confront-him.html
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July 27, 2022 2:38pm
Bobba Fret

Paddy Gower waves his “I’m a Labour supporters flag” to try and gain some brownie points from his idol Jacinda by mocking Luxon.
How low can this lot go.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/gower-s-deliciously-petty-jab-at-luxon-s-kiwifruit-gate-delights-social-media/ar-AA100HyI?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=80ef259c86954afeb2f340c2a3893458
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July 27, 2022 3:16pm
- I remember when
  
  The difference Paddy is that noone cares where YOU are.
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:05pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Paddy Gower has lost all sense of objectivity and credibility. His doco’s are terrible and poor journo quality. He’s gone too far down the shock factor on anything he does. Paddy is a has-been trying to be a in-guy again but failing miserably.
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:33pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Gower’s nowhere near as good looking as Jesse Mulligan
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Try not to laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5AgZpQy5JM
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July 27, 2022 3:17pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Two senile men talking incoherently past each other. Have to pity Americans for having to choose one or the other in 2020 and, even more scarily, perhaps getting the same choice in 2024.
  
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  July 27, 2022 3:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Check the ‘check engine’ Mike! You got one of those?
    
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    July 27, 2022 4:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Check.
      
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      July 27, 2022 4:07pm
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    One of them is senile, but it isn’t the previous president.
    
    Trump aced the senility test that the Dems insisted he took.
    
    Strangely enough, the Dems don’t want their puppet to take a test.
    
    I guess it doesn’t matter, though.
    
    Everyone knows Biden is away with the fairies.
    
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    July 27, 2022 4:06pm
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      Yes, I recall Trump boasting about ‘passing’ a very simple dementia screening-test:
      “Person, man, woman, camera, TV”
      
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      July 27, 2022 4:51pm
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        From what I have seen I doubt that Biden could pass the “Person, man, woman, camera, TV” test.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:07pm
      - mandk
        
        Ha, ha.
        
        I bet Biden couldn’t say what a woman is.
        
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        July 27, 2022 5:18pm
nathie

Time to play guess which MSM journos want a high-paying job next with Ardern’s (or Robbos’) comms team!

Today’s prize (wrestled from Jessica/Tova/Susie’s grasp) goes to:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129393653/social-media-gaffe-means-missed-opportunity-for-nationals-christopher-luxon

The entire article is an example of “playing the man and not the ball”, and berates Luxon for not allowing the MSM to cover his talking points on the woeful government (because Luxon apparently gave the MSM “ammunition” to attack him). You couldn’t make this up! Oh wait ….

Why did I say time to guess who wants a comms job with Gracinda? Well a quick glance at the journo’s articles summary shows not one article criticising Ardern or Labour or Robbo disastrous handling of the economy! No, it’s all about “Others”!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/authors/laura-walters
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July 27, 2022 3:19pm
Iamright

Listening to General Debate in Parliament. Labour’s obviously worried . Robertson spent his entire speech attacking National and Luxon in particular. Playing the man not the ball perhaps. Shane Reti following addressing the issues.
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July 27, 2022 3:36pm
Chris Nisbet

Police publishing another bunch of photos of people from the parliament protest.
To be honest, they’re not what I imagined white supremacists to look like.
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July 27, 2022 4:40pm
- Ehlana
  
  These people? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-protest-police-appeal-to-public-for-help-identifying-people-pictured-at-occupation/CGEEAJQRNWKEFOL2CTRERQJAVU/
  
  For all you know Chris, they may have identified as white since they were children. Perhaps they have one or more white ancestors?
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:24pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    That’s them.
    
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    July 27, 2022 6:24pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yes Chris, I was thinking exactly the same thing
  
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  July 27, 2022 5:56pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Chris – I was there for 2 weeks. Those people may well have been there. I didn’t come across them but that’s because there were thousands of people there.
  This is what I saw.
  
  https://odysee.com/@voicesforfreedom:6/freedom-village-parliament:2
  
  If anyone hasn’t watched this video please do so. It’s a much more accurate depiction of the wide range of people who spent time at the protest. It was an astonishingly beautiful event. Nothing like the distorted smear campaign from Ardern’s poodles and shills in the mainstream media.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:21pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I have no doubt that the way MSM depicted the protest and what it was actually like were two different things.
    
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    July 28, 2022 1:29am
ClanMcleod

Interesting how everyday NZ becomes more like a country out of the novel/instruction manual 1984.
I was searching for stats re our current covid death rate per million when this chestnut came up.

“July 22, 2020 – NZ has now achieved the lowest death rate from the COVID-19 pandemic out of 37 OECD countries and appears to be the only one to succeed with elimination at a national level. ”

This was the link to the website.

https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/2020/07/22/nzs-team-of-5-million-has-achieved-the-lowest-covid-19-death-rate-in-the-oecd-but-there-are-still-gaps-in-our-pandemic-response/

If you follow the link, for some bizarre reason you get a response that says:

“This is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?
It seems we can’t find what you’re looking for. Perhaps searching, or one of the links below, can help.”

Damn memory hole!

Fortunately we do have the ability to screenshot and a little tool called “The Wayback Machine”.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200724062141/https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/2020/07/22/nzs-team-of-5-million-has-achieved-the-lowest-covid-19-death-rate-in-the-oecd-but-there-are-still-gaps-in-our-pandemic-response/

“We will continue to be your single source of truth…”

Or is it a case of “two weeks of sustained propaganda”?!

It’s hard to know what’s up or down in New Zimbabwe. But one thing I’m sure of, 2+2=5
Brenda told me so…….
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July 27, 2022 5:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler.
Close eyes and ears.
https://rumble.com/v1cef9l-the-new-york-times-is-trying-to-sneak-this-past-you.html?
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July 27, 2022 5:42pm
Tom Hunter

Not being a big supporter of Luxon I can only conclude that his “small target” strategy combined with ever worsening news across almost every front the government is facing is the reason we’ve suddenly being invaded by long-time Leftie trolls…
– riffer
– mutton~~head~~bird

… here to backup mikenmild and the sad figure of John Pakes.

I guess the internal polling is looking bad. Wonder who of the old Standard crowd will turn up next.
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July 27, 2022 7:09pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis just sent this link thru…asked me what I made of it?
I said I don’t know…wot do you make of it?
She said well I don’t know wot to make of it, that’s why I asked you.
Maybe someone here in the group might know??

https://twitter.com/FiveTimesAugust/status/1552124554918727681
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July 27, 2022 7:12pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bloody good drugs whatever they are.
  
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  July 27, 2022 8:14pm
- krazykiwi
  
  If that’s an officially published clip then it is definitely AI enhanced. At least three different sourced morphed into one edit.
  
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  July 27, 2022 9:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Amphetamine?
Cocaine?
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July 27, 2022 7:18pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  you selling or buying? 😉
  
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