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NeverMindTheBollocks

They do it to themselves.

Some have suggested it is homophobic to note that men who have sex with men are the group at highest risk.

A new research paper on 528 monkeypox cases in 16 countries lays out that 98% of the people infected were gay or bisexual men, 75% of them were white, and 41% had HIV. No women were among the cases, and 95% of cases were thought to be linked to sexual transmission.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2207323
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July 26, 2022 8:01am
- Frank the tank
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/health/2022/07/25/nolte-unlike-covid-theres-no-behavior-shaming-to-halt-monkeypox-spread/
  
  Hits the nail on the head. Perhaps infected people and their families should have to wear full ‘sperm’ (i.e. painters) suits when out in public…..
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:15am
- Ehlana
  
  Which would make it the second illness in the last 40 years to spread like that.
  We developed drugs to deal with HIV but I can’t help wondering if similar diseases broke out in earlier times and provided the foundation for the prohibitions on men having sex with men in various cultures. Back then, abstinence would have been the only option.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:12am
  - David Garrett
    
    Ehlana: Interesting theory…I have wondered something similar about the dietary restrictions imposed on Jews and Muslims: As I understand it, halal diets and kosher diets are very similar. Very sensible when there were no fridges.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:24am
    - Don Beckett
      
      That is correct David. There was certainly the reason that diseases could be caught from eating pork back in those time 3,500 years ago – hence the dietary prohibitions proscribed by God to Moses.
      
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      July 26, 2022 10:29am
      - iMP
        
        It’s also why Yahweh and his law required Jews wash their hands before eating, and use only the left hand for toileting. Jews got less sick, so medieval non-Jews thought they must have been poisoning their wells. Thus pogroms.
        
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        July 26, 2022 10:31am
      - Lance
        
        Also no shellfish… A major source of food poisoning
        
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        July 26, 2022 11:13am
    - blue collar
      
      And Maori sitting on food surfaces etc …. No undies
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:52am
    - Bluegrass
      
      As are the languages – both Semitic. If you speak Arabic then you have quite a lot in common with Hebrew (written alphabets apart] vocabulary and grammar..
      
      And mindset.
      
      I lived in various MENA countries for a total of 14 years, during which I got along OK in Gulf Arabic.
      
      When I subsequently worked for an Israeli company based in Tel Aviv, I was surprised by the similarity in language [many words are the same/similar] and mindset.
      
      Except that the Israelis [especially those of eastern Europe origin] were to me, much more direct in language and approach – like New Yorkers.
      
      As a US Southerner I preferred the Arabs in that respect – altho I made good friends in both cultures.
      
      PS the alphabets are interesting – both have a similar structure in some respects; but written cursive Arabic is reminiscent of an insect having inadvertently dipped its legs in ink and then scrawling its way across the page, right to left – whereas Hebrew is cuneiform, more suitable to the writer inscribing his tool (as it were) into a clay tablet.
      
      Which do I prefer? Well, as a kid who was taught to read music I prefer, when I squint, the Arabic script.
      
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      July 27, 2022 1:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    HIV in Africa was overwhelmingly transmitted through heterosexual sex.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:43am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Absolutely true , spread around the continent of Africa by truck drivers using prostitutes. Sorry to urinate on the homophobes fireworks but It’s promiscuity that does the damage not sexuality.
      
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      July 26, 2022 10:03am
      - iMP
        
        Homosexuality is statistically much more promiscuous, as open sexual relationships is a culture of that sexuality. Even gay researchers and writers assume this. That is why HIV spread like wildfire through that sexual community especially at first and became the ‘gay disease.’
        
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        July 26, 2022 10:33am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Male prostitutes, or female prostitutes? We shouldn’t shy away from observing that gay sex is clearly inherently unhygienic for obvious reasons, and on top of that, it is well known that AIDS and now Monkeypox are primarily “gay” diseases, that, where they do make it into the “heterosexual community,” it is through bisexual men (who are fundamentally gay) having sex with women. We can argue as to the rights and wrongs of gay sex on moral and teleological grounds, but the diseases which seem to surround and spread by way of the activity give a strong argument based in biology and pathology as to how wrong it is.
        
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        July 26, 2022 1:43pm
    - cmm
      
      OK, what we really need to do is look for the common thread: What is common between Africans and homosexual westerners?
      
      I think it comes down to one common factor: in general, both are highly promiscuous.
      
      NB: I say, in general. Like all things of a statistical nature this is a generalisation.
      
      I am not gay, or a member of the “gay community”, but I do have some gay friends. Except for one, they are all highly promiscuous. For example, when one was a medical student, he would study while his regular partner (they were living together) would often go out trawling pubs and bring home a friend or two and they’d have a group session. That was common – every week or two. He considered it a highly efficient arrangement – he could get study time in and still have his raunchy sex life.
      
      Sub-Saharan Africa is also highly promiscuous and it is very common for men to have more than one wife. When he dies, the wives are then inherited by the brothers. This makes HIV travel fast.
      
      Further, due to men having more than one wife, there is a shortage of women for the other men (who are generally younger and more sexed up). What do they do: they engage in prostitutes and homosexuality. Homosexuality is frowned upon in polite society and is illegal in many places, but is rife so long as the corrupt law does not find out. If a cop does find out well, he’s generally going to trade that for some free sex anyway. Condoms are disliked.
      
      Thus Sub-Saharan Africa is a place that is perfect for HIV. A truck driver travelling from Nigeria to South Africa might have condom-free sex every night ad a different town with a different prostitute, then get home to his 4 wives – infecting them too. When he dies, his previously clean brother now inherits the 4 infected wives and soon is infected himself and passes it on to the 4 wives he already has who were previously clean.
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:00am
  - Bluegrass
    
    Abstinence was and is not the only option, as the old maxim relevant to, inter alia, MENA countries, suggests:
    
    For duty, a woman. For pleasure, a boy. But for sheer ecstasy – a goat.
    
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    July 27, 2022 12:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I would bet money the other 2% claimed they didn’t have sex with men but did. Not everyone is out and proud. There are still those who are “closet” due to their personal situations.
  Just cynical old me, but 2 years of intense lies from media and politicians has soured me more than I like.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:13am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Obviously those 2% aren’t buying into the “gay pride” mantra.
    
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    July 26, 2022 1:55pm
- Skippytony
  
  Now, remind me again. To slow the spread, we had to stay inside and abstain from all social activity. Take one for Team NZ. So when is Dr Ashley’s replacement going to ask “at risk” groups to stay at home and abstain from contact now that this is a global emergency according to “the experts”. Just asking for a friend….
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:21am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    The logic and evidence for the general lockdowns was far weaker than the logic and evidence for locking down gay men on account of monkeypox. But because both issues are primarily political, gay men will not have to make any sacrifices “to keep granny safe.” Doesn’t this inconsistency perfectly expose the farce that we have been living through?
    
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    July 26, 2022 1:53pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Remember, we weren’t “asked” to stay home for covid, we were told to stay home. It should be the same for gay men if the game was straight, but of course, we know it isn’t. It’s a total sham.
    
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    July 26, 2022 8:21pm
- surfing
  
  I did notice the MSM don’t like pointing out that gay men are the most at risk.
  
  It is totally irresponsible of the media, because they spread fear to groups who are at very little risk.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Well, that would be “discrimination” and bullying of a group of people because of their personal choices.
    How ironic.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:00am
    - Jim
      
      The rank hypocrisy really angers me Clan.
      
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      July 26, 2022 5:52pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Jim – it should anger every decent citizen. It should be all over our news. It won’t be and we know why. This place is rapidly turning into North Korea.
        
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        July 26, 2022 8:22pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They could give a factual warning without mentioning gay men:
    
    “To avoid monkey pox refrain from multiple sexual partners. Do not visit saunas or other recreational activities and engage in skin to skin contact with hundreds of naked people.”
    
    Job done. No mention of gay folk. 🙂
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Great idea Benedict, it is just a pity they didn’t do the same with the “anti vaxxers” who were actively targeted and attacked for their personal choices. Why are some minorities “special”?
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:16am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “It is totally irresponsible of the media, because they spread fear to groups who are at very little risk.”
    
    For someone as well-informed and widely read as yourself, I’m surprised to see this comment. This is exactly what the media has been paid to do for the last 2 and a half years!
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The article does not state that 95 percent of cases were a result of sexual transmission. It refers to sexual “activity”. Because sexual activity is usually about skin to skin contact.
  
  AFAIK the only way to catch this disease is skin to skin contact. That is the exact opposite of HIV which is impossible to contract from skin to skin contact.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:01am
  - kowtow
    
    Nek minnit
    
    A run on gimp suits.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:09am
krazykiwi

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” — H.L. Mencken.

This truism breaks down one person at a time as each realises that their alarm was weaponised against them via: the suspension of liberty; The coercion to take untested genetic treatments; The continuous lies; The ‘thee but not for me’ hubris of those elected to serve us.
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July 26, 2022 8:02am
- Swifty
  
  Politics 101.
  
  I might add too, once you see it you can’t unsee it.
  
  I now see this everywhere and all the time. Everything is now a ‘crisis’ and to which only the left have ‘solutions’ – both statements a lie.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Many of today’s problems are a result of yesterday’s solutions.
    
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    July 26, 2022 8:16am
    - Swifty
      
      Love that quote.
      
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      July 26, 2022 8:28am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thomas Sowell ?. Absolutely true KK.
      
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      July 26, 2022 8:48am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yup. He is a brilliant, articulate thinker.
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:57pm
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      Many of today’s problems are a result of yesterday’s solutions.
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      That’s the stale part of the pale male dominance.
      
      That they can’t acknowledge it without getting defensive is the frail part. Leading to the epic fail we’re going through.
      
      Welcome to the frail stale pale male fail…
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:00am
      - Media hater
        
        Congrats! Usual dumb crap from you.
        
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        July 26, 2022 11:50am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Thomas Sowell is an African American – probably blacker than you.
        Major fail on your part.
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:39pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Black with a Veng. What an absurd comment. Even if you’re trolling you’ve achieved nothing except exposing your own ignorance and prejudice. In your world I guess it would be paradise if only everything were run by people with more melanoma than others. Would that be on a scale as well so someone as dark skinned as say Idi Amin should be a super leader and gifted politician where as Gandhi not so much.
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:56pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Stella – I think you mean ‘melanin’ – not melanoma which is skin cancer. 🙂
        
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        July 26, 2022 2:39pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        So if you lived on a Pacific Island, instead of a country with a high proportion of people of European descent, would you blog:
        
        That’s the stale part of the brown male dominance.
        
        That they can’t acknowledge it without getting defensive is the frail part. Leading to the epic fail we’re going through.
        
        Welcome to the frail stale brown male fail…
        
        Here in NZ we invest in trying to help relatively new immigrants and their next generations with generous access to subsidised education, social welfare, health care, public amenities etc etc. The country has been a land of milk and honey for Pacific Islanders.
        
        Way more help than my P Lump descendants would get as a first generation immigrant to a Pacific Island or any other country in the world?
        
        Must be tiring carrying that massive chip on your shoulder around all the time. Food and drink must be unpleasant when your mouth is so full of bitterness. Hard to enjoy the bounteous country of New Zealand when your heart is full of hate.
        
        I genuinely feel sorry for you BWAV.
        
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        July 26, 2022 9:13pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    From 2010 when “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” was in the Obama air, The Moral Equivalent of War.
    
    That article has a lot of examples from the past 100+ years, and although all are from the USA we have the same thinking.
    
    The War on Poverty. The War on Drugs. The War on Terror. As that article points out, it goes back a long way, at least to the Woodrow Wilson thrill of having a Super Administrative State run by Smart Men.
    
    But also before that we have the original, the 1906 speech by an American socialist that kicked off the whole idea: Proposing the Moral Equivalent of War
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:43am
- Frank the tank
  
  Correct Krazy. Unfortunately people want to believe in government, experts and a rule-based society. It hurts the sheeple when they realize they have let down by a combination of incompetency and lies.
  
  It is a slow process aided and abetted by the MSM.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:10am
  - John Pakes
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Just like the Nat party whose spin machine quickly shifted the focus from Luxon to Willis when Roe v Wade hit the news. Where has he been lately?
    
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    July 26, 2022 8:53am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      In your head, fomenting mischief.
      
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      July 26, 2022 8:55am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Spin machine ? Really, a rotten hit job by the rotten Labour owned (with our tax dollars) media is spin, the vulgarity of the hit job should be a crime.
      
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      July 26, 2022 9:20am
    - Frank the tank
      
      That has to be the most stupid response I have seen for at least a couple of months on this blog site
      
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      July 26, 2022 9:22am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Good grief. I nominate you for stupidest comment of 2022. 😂
      
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      July 26, 2022 10:03am
      - John Pakes
        
        Your reply was entirely predictable. True to form.
        Do you deny that when Roe v Wade hit the news the Nat party sent Luxon to either the provinces or Hawai’i and left Willis to face the media. Have you heard from him lately?
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:01pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Do you deny that when Roe v Wade hit the news the Nat party sent Luxon to either the provinces or Hawai’i and left Willis to face the media. [sic]”
        
        YES
        
        “Have you heard from him lately?”
        
        NO. TBH I would be astounded if he contacted me. What do you know that I don’t know?
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:13pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        … and I don’t know what you mean by “True to form.”
        
        It takes quite something for me to tell a commentator that they have made a “stupid comment”. In fact apart from yourself, I do not recall any instances.
        
        Oh yes I do recall going off at KK one day but I apologised :-).
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:17pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        You did, and secured mountainous respect from me to this day.
        
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        July 26, 2022 1:00pm
    - riffer
      
      According to that notoriously left wing rag, Luxon has been sunning it in Hawaii, which is fascinating, because according to his social media (which admittedly has been pretty scant) he’s been hard at work touring the provinces talking to the hard working kiwis.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/christopher-luxons-social-media-suggested-he-was-in-te-puke-he-was-actually-overseas-on-holiday/FRXZPXKGOQYGV2GMWE2LZYNMLU/
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:11am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Morning Te Riffraff,
        
        No that is leftards scrawling through social media trying to discredit Te Reo Luxon and then forwarding onto a leftie scribe to write a hit piece on the opposition’s leader
        
        In terms of gaslighting a far more accurate example is “Our Glorious leader” and the left dribbling on about trusting the science when the majority of them will also promote the fallacy that men can have babies and a period.
        
        In terms of a troll 2/10. It must be idiot Tuesday.
        
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        July 26, 2022 11:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Bit of an own goal from the MSM who don’t seem very interested in reporting widely on what Luxon is doing when he is visiting the provinces.
        
        Luxon’s visit to Te Puke was reported in the NZ Herald on July 14th… but their article was paywalled.
        
        Although a couple of the regional rags reported his visit and talks
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/video/christopher-luxton-in-te-puke/BIIFWUHDXK4FSGNWCV2XMATGEI/
        
        Perhaps most journalists were on holiday in the first week of school holidays …and have just twigged that they missed an opportunity to report on a politician who is engaging with productive workers.
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:29pm
      - riffer
        
        The point is, he was in Hawaii when his social media team were posting videos with him saying he was in Te Puke.
        
        You can spin it any way you like but – yet again – Clustopher has his foot in his mouth again.
        
        Not only is he a part timer, he’s not actually very good at doing his job. Just took all the heat off Labour and the Greens for another week. Makes you wonder whether he’s actually working for the opposition or the government.
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:37pm
      - riffer
        
        And don’t get me started on why he gets a free pass on never having a mask on, when the PM copped a power of shit for taking one off for a few seconds for a photo.
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:38pm
      - surfing
        
        I actually agree with you here.
        
        Luxon needs to be sharper than this. Why didn’t he bother to get the facts right in the first instance … instead, sloppy information management gave the lefties a chance to make him look bad.
        
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        July 26, 2022 2:20pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        riffer – there is a reason why Ardern got slaughtered for not wearing a mask, she’s the moron telling everyone else they have to wear them and using schools to do her dirty work for her. She’s too big a coward to do it herself.
        I don’t know Luxon’s opinion on masks. But I certainly haven’t heard him banging on about every other day like Brenda does. Maybe he understands they do nothing to prevent infection or transmission of covid and are nothing more than political theatre.
        
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        July 26, 2022 8:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  kk – correct. Here’s more evidence that we are being played and they are deliberately using psychology to drive their agendas.
  
  “Susan Michie, a 40-year member of the British Communist Party and a leading participant in the UK Government’s Scientific Pandemic Insights group on Behaviour (SPI-B) “nudge unit” to drive consent for Covid mandates, has been promoted to Chair of the WHO’s Technical Advisory Group for Behavioural Insights and Science for Health.
  
  Last year, when asked how long Britain’s Covid containment measures should last, Michie responded that they should last forever: “Test, trace and isolate system, border controls are really essential…social distancing…wearing face masks…we’ll need to keep these going in the long term…I think forever.””
  
  https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/uk-sages-susan-michie-promoted-to?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
  
  Michie obviously being rewarded for her great work to date. SAGE were the outfit used in the UK who are on record stating that the public weren’t frightened enough so they needed to ramp up the fear porn. Fact.
  
  Of course, this is all the ramblings of a foil hat, badge carrying conspiracy theorist…..//
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:33am
Warren

Again our politically corrupt media is diverting Labours problems away from the public with storie slagging off James Shaw and the Green’s Leadership.
Most Media outlets have used the Greens Leader ship battle to take the spotlight off Labour , there Leader and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern instead of pulling apart the gapping holes in the Three Waters Policy that Labour are hell bent on pushing through when 70% of our population are against it.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/25/candidates-who-could-replace-shaw-as-greens-co-leader-stay-silent/
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July 26, 2022 8:02am
- Frank the tank
  
  BMW Jimmy’s surrogates in the media were in full spin yesterday. The big lump of stupid Lloyd Burr was acting like BMW was the second coming of Roosevelt last night.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:12am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Lloyd Burr is a Lavour-Green poodle. Watch his face when he has to present a negative story about Luxon and National party.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:50am
- John Pakes
  
  Sorry Warren, I meant to reply to you but put it under Frank.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Wait till Labours leadership shafting starts
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:21am
  - mogg
    
    Exactly Ardern now represents failure and the loss of many seats for Labour. There are going to be some very unhappy Labour MP’s who are faced with being ejected from Parliament. Ardern is now a liability not an asset.
    
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    July 26, 2022 2:16pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren bro – I don’t mind this one bit. Greens are toxic. Let them crash and burn. Die Greens die fast.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:46am
Frank the tank

When was the last time you spoke to someone that genuinely was happy with life in New Zimbabwe?
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July 26, 2022 8:04am
- MCōs
  
  The question should really be
  Are you content with your life?
  
  BTW
  My wife has gone over to Thailand for an extended period.
  Petrol is cheaper, food is cheaper, weather is better, nobody speaks Māori or English for that matter.
  Right wing government & covid-19 death rate is way less than here.
  She’s seen the whanau and now she’s thinking of coming back early to cold, rainy, expensive NZ.
  She’s just not content over there.
  
  I know Kiwis over there who have no intention of returning and some who do. One got covid-19 and died, poor bugger.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:54am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Obviously misses you Cosy.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:23am
    - MCōs
      
      No it doesn’t at all.
      For a start I’m not happy that you refer my country as New Zimbabwe.
      It’s New Zealand through good times and bad.
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:18am
      - Frank the tank
        
        I suggest it angers you because you know it is too close to the truth.
        
        Over the past 2 years the country has been irreversibly changed to something that does not in the slightest represent the country I grew up in. There is out-of-control crime, welfare dependency and Maorification of everything in our society. This is coupled with a rapidly collapsing economy and flight of people out of the country. That sounds like Zimbabwe.
        
        Then don’t get me started on the demented covid cult mentality that still infects 25% odd of the population.
        
        My 2 children, 13 and 11 respectively will have to pay for this – if by the time they reach their mid-20s they haven’t left for another first world country.
        
        I’m not happy that you think this is OK.
        
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        July 26, 2022 12:00pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Yes, there are probably a few people in Sri Lanka saying the same thing. Some people just can’t face reality. If they did we could turn this around a lot quicker.
        
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        July 26, 2022 8:37pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Maggie Pie is always happy.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:04am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Chief Thief Robber is happy as he gets to spend your money big time.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:51am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  Most seemed happier with life in Old Zealand. It pays not to speak to them anymore. They live in an idealized past…
  
  Me, I’m happy in Aotearoa/New Zealand living in a future I haven’t created yet…
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:37am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Living in a future that I haven’t created, worked for, but expect others to pay for. Aotearoa, a grifters paradise!
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:20pm
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/25/establishment-media-repurpose-liz-cheney-2024/

I’m betting Trumpy is shaking in his boots over the threat from the warmonger’s daughter
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July 26, 2022 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cheney’s goose is cooked. She shit in her own nest.
  Fancy asking Wyoming Democrats to switch to Republicans so they can vote for her! How desperate can you get? She is a gone burger.
  Trump is not even worried about her.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:33am
iMP

Mortician harassed by woke thought fascists for not respecting ‘identified gender’ of a dead body he was working on. It’s a bit grave really.
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July 26, 2022 8:06am
- iMP
  
  Presumably he ought not to preserve the offending bits.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:08am
- Ehlana
  
  Can a dead person have a gender? A sex, yes, because they have a physical body. But if gender is about how you identify in your mind, wouldn’t it die with your brain?
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:22am
  - iMP
    
    Well that is the whole dichotomy of this nonsense, differentiating semantically between SEX and GENDER and changing the meaning of words till non one understands anything any more.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:37am
    - mawm
      
      iMP – so what do you propose to do with this “nonsense” when people have a genuine cause such as Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? They have XY chromosomes but as the name says their androgens (testosterone) are ineffective. There are 2 beautiful and well known actresses that have this syndrome.
      
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      July 26, 2022 1:43pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes it’s strange, isn’t it? When archaeologists have dug up the remains of thousands of people over the years, mummies and skeletons alike, they have only ever been male or female, and not one of the other 500 “genders”.
    
    (Not my original work, but worth repeating).
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:36am
    - mawm
      
      Lodden – see my reply to iMP above – both those actresses will have female skeletal characteristics.
      
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      July 26, 2022 1:45pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Citing incidences at the very extreme end of the distribution curve is not an argument. Sure there is an astonishingly small percentage of the population that exhibits both or neither characteristics.
        
        If those actresses (shouldn’t you be using the gender-inclusive term of “actors” by the way?) have female skeletal characteristics, then they are female.
        
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        July 26, 2022 6:12pm
      - mawm
        
        Late reply. – Embryologically the development of sexual organs are influenced by the male or female hormone dominance. So too with physical development of the body – muscle and skeletal, etc. Both those actresses are XY ie male but have had everything develop under female hormone influence. They have internal testes (subsequently removed because of cancer risk), not ovaries and are sterile. They also have female genitalia so to all appearances are women, but have male chromosomes! Their names are well know as are their syndromes so I’ll identify them – Nicole Kidman and Jamie-Lee Curtis.
        
        There are plenty of other kinds of chromosomal mosaics that result in intersexes or misgenderisation at birth. These are real, not extreme. But they do not include cross-dressers/trannies.
        
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        July 26, 2022 8:54pm
- Colville
  
  iMP.
  I read that and fell on the opposite side of the argument that I thought I would.
  
  Why isnt the mortician doing what his client wants?
  I presume the body (its estate) is paying the bill so calls the shots?
  
  If the mortician dosent want to respect the bodys wishes then he should have refused the work, which is his absolute right IMHO.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:38am
Tony Stuart

An excellent piece on the brouhaha within the Green Party from Thomas Coughlan; unfortunately paywalled by the Herald. It would appear that Dr Elizabeth Kerekere has been busy behind the scenes, which may explain her announcement yesterday that she was considering going up against James Shaw. It would appear that Dr Kerekere was instrumental in the rule change which dropped the requirement for the Greens to have a co-leader with a penis.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/green-party-fights-over-plot-to-oust-james-shaw-and-the-long-run-plan-to-install-his-replacement/CFMDCBWZGYZXDY27A7TFSKZ66I/#

Coughlan finishes his piece on an interesting note, reflecting on the relative youth of the Green Party, the Young Greens in particular, who probably won’t remember 2008:

It has been eight years since the Greens last went into opposition following an election. Some Green staffers, and many Green voters, were too young to vote in that election, and there’s a fear that some of the membership might not remember what actually being locked out of power feels like.

It has in fact been fourteen years since the Greens and Labour were consigned to the opposition benches when John Key won the 2008 election. I do hope that Elizabeth Kerekere becomes co-leader, as it might consign the Greens to opposition for another fourteen years, or more!
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July 26, 2022 8:08am
- Scott
  
  “since the greens and Labour were consigned to the opposition benches”. What a wonderful thought. 😁
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:16am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Scott bro – 2035 is no far away only 13 more years to go.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:53am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Seeing that the Greens attract many people from the Alphabet Soup community they would like one of their own at the top.
  
  Dump James and put in the Woke Gay head then I think you will see many people leave them.
  
  The rank and file also vote whom is on the Green List at each election. I think James will be so far down the list he won’t have a hope in hell of being in Parliament.
  
  They will put in the woke youth mob.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:18am
- alex Masterley
  
  It is an interesting piece. my attention was caught by the reference to Elizabeth Kerekre’s off sider Nicole Geluk-Le Gros who works in DIA dealing with three waters implementation.
  That suggests, to me at least, the public service is loosing it’s neutrality as agendas take control of policy.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:33am
  - Phronesis
    
    Losing? It’s long gone. The major purpose of woke bullshit is to act as a selection mechanism to weed out anyone who isn’t fully on board with the leftwing agenda. The public service is essentially intolerable to work in if you have any ability to think for yourself or see through the bullshit. If you surveyed the Public Service you would find they are one hundred percent in favour of trans rights and putting pronouns in emails.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  Given their devotion to ganja I’d be surprised if any of them could remember yesterday.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:36am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, when I wrote on the thread yesterday that Dr Elizabeth Kerekere was behind all this in order to increase the rainbow wahine presence in parliament, I was taking the piss – however, clearly I wasn’t….
  
  Anyway, the fact the msm actually publishes an article saying Labour leadership is watching the Greens’ developments closely, finally means there is definitely ‘concern’.
  
  I guess the good news is that even if Shaw holds on, party cracks have been opened for the nation to see. As DPF noted yesterday, Swarbrick will be their co-leader sooner or later.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:55am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Of course some msm commentators concerned about the effect Shaw going would have on Jacinda’s status quo, are trying to paint the leadership coup group as a bunch of radical factions within the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand.
    
    Radical factions within a radical party? Who’d have thought…?
    
    How’s Chloe’s documentary coming along?
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:01am
    - Nickc2
      
      How’s Chloe’s documentary coming along?
      It got stoned and went up in cannabis smoke eh?
      
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      July 26, 2022 12:07pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Coughlan noted that Swarbrick wouldn’t want to become a leader when the Greens were heading for opposition, so it might be a while for her.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:37am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Looks like Dr Kerekere has withdrawn its nomination. Heh, when the going gets tough I guess GPANZ MPs are just like anyone else
      
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      July 26, 2022 10:03am
- Hebe123
  
  Saw her on the propaganda channel at my parents place last night. We all looked at each other and said “who?”, including my mother who watches and reads news from all sources, voraciously, and sits through the network “news” every day at the behest of my dad.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:02am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    She’s the one who travelled to Parliament earlier this year despite being a household contact of someone with Covid:
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/green-mp-elizabeth-kerekere-apologises-profusely-for-breaching-covid-19-rules.html
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:39am
    - MCōs
      
      Obviously Hebe123’s mum isn’t as well informed as Hebe123 believes she is.
      That was reasonable big news at the time.
      
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      July 26, 2022 9:48am
      - Hebe123
        
        She probably has more taste than I thought too.
        
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        July 26, 2022 10:18pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Hebe123 – obviously they vote Jacinda because she is “nice”.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:55am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      If you call vomit inducing nice then okay
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:43pm
- yossarian
  
  Oh please, please please!!!
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:38am
- Prince
  
  Well you never know. Don’t be surprised if Elizabeth fronts a press conference this afternoon, resplendent in a purple suit, and wows the media with her positivity and ‘can do’ attitude, along with a beaming smile, addressing reporters by their christian names (no offence intended), and unveiling a new slogan catchphrase that captures the mood of the public and drives Green voters above 30% next poll.
  
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  July 26, 2022 2:06pm
- Paulus
  
  Kerekere has decided not stand as she hasn’t a hope in hell of getting the role.
  QED.
  
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  July 26, 2022 2:06pm
iMP

The Greens will shortly require a mortician. I hope it’s a woke one.
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July 26, 2022 8:10am
- G152
  
  Nice lot on TV who would suit.
  And they have quite a line in coffins
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:16am
Tauhei Notts

I have become very impressed by Sean Plunket’s The Platform. I will never ever understand why Mediaworks let Plunket go. He is very good.
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July 26, 2022 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  TN, you have answered your question. He is very good..too intelligent to control.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:26am
  - Tricati
    
    Same as Peter Williams – Both had the best radio ratings after Hosking, but unfortunately they spoke their mind, which wasn’t acceptable to Mediaworks after them taking the ‘bribe’.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:12am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I recall the day after Williams was sacked, the replacement woman told listeners that he had “retired”. Yes, that’s right, he “retired” and left overnight without mentioning that was happening.
      
      I used to listen to both him and Plunket if I was driving around during the day. The replacements are clowns.
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:41am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Remember this was after he questioned Robertson about the Great Reset. Robertson claimed conspiracy theory and refused to be interviewed again. Shortly after Peter’s retirement was announced on a Monday after nothing being said by him on the Friday show. Disgraceful treatment of a longstanding broadcaster – quite clearly a golden handshake given to ensure he stayed silent after he left.
        
        Who now believes Ardern and Robertson are driving the great reset – certainly explains why he has been bankrupting the country. The alternative is he is completely incompetent. To me the conspiracy theory is the most likely.
        
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        July 26, 2022 7:40pm
- kowtow
  
  Recall they literally had a purge , Banksy made a joke . Gone . Then Pl got the chop by association. And then they got rid of Williams.
  
  There must have been a master plan as in came Toxic.
  
  I never bother with that lot now . Tuned to newstalk , but only a few there are ok.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:39am
  - yossarian
    
    All while Willie Jackson supports a couple of rapist scrouts and he gets a Labour List position and becomes the Minister of Broadcasting.
    
    2+2=5
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The fatal mistake Banks made was to agree with a caller that Maori inhabited a ‘stone age’ society.
    
    Of course, he was, literally, correct.
    
    “The Stone Age marks a period of prehistory in which humans used primitive stone tools. Lasting roughly 2.5 million years, the Stone Age ended around 5,000 years ago when humans in the Near East began working with metal and making tools and weapons from bronze.”
    
    https://www.history.com/topics/pre-history/stone-age
    
    Maori stayed in the Stone Age because they never mastered smelting. Yet New Zealand has high quality coal and copper deposits.
    
    https://www.nzpam.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/doing-business/mineral-potential/copper.pdf
    
    https://www.history.com/topics/pre-history/bronze-age
    
    Of course it is easier to get all offended rather than look at the facts.
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:47am
- godruelf
  
  Agreed. The Platform has an interesting range of guests and the interviews are extended and have more depth than other channels.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Because he will not spout the media lies and propaganda. It was great watching him hammer the vulgar Peters when he refused to say if he would put Cindy back into power, Peters started waffling on about Judith Collins ffs, this old bastard clearly still has not learned the lesson, so stuff the old tusker
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Elizabeth Rata’s speech on how to save Democracy in NZ – delivered to the ACT Annual Conference

My talk ‘In Defence of Democracy’ is for those of all political persuasions who are deeply worried about New Zealand’s descent from democracy into a tribal form of ethno-nationalism .

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/professor-elizabeth-rata-in-defence-of-democracy
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July 26, 2022 8:19am
- iMP
  
  I have followed Elizabeth’s academic work for decades )I even have one of her speeches on a cassette tape. Look it up Gen Y). She is consistently awesome and would be a good soundbite source for Luxon re factional politics and the tyranny of ethnos.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:26am
  - leoj
    
    Luxon has no hair on his head but plenty of wool in his ears. He won’t listen. Too woke.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:22am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMpS1v9YyTQ
Wow! How Insane Is New Zealand? I Just Got A Two Year Trespass For Nothing!

Folks, I have been Trespassed for 2yrs from Eastgate mall, our local mall and stores, by manager L. Ledger for Literally NOTHING! I was part of a group thrown out of the mall a couple of months ago while we were sitting having coffee doing, again NOTHING. Police threw us out under the THREAT of Tresspass… This was all around the management reaction to having people there who were part of Protests and freedom rallies in CHCH. Again, NO Crime or Disturbance of anything committed! What on earth? How insane have things got here in New Zealand! Two-year ban from local ‘bread and butter’ stores for NOTHING! Wow! I have been in touch with Colliers International who manage this mall and was told they will look into it in the next couple of days and get back to me. I will keep you posted. Warm regards Carl. [You can write to the owner, or mall manager asking them why they did this. No more Eastgate mall for me.
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July 26, 2022 8:20am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V9bV9n92Kg
Winston Peters won’t rule out putting Ardern back in power.

Sean Plunket speaks with Winston Peters on The Platform [24:02]
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July 26, 2022 8:20am
- The Boss
  
  Whatever Peters say is totally irrelevant. He won’t be back. The only say he will have in any future government is his vote (which will be a wasted one).
  
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  July 26, 2022 12:07pm
  - curry4me
    
    I sure hope WP and NZ Worst won’t make it back to parlaiment.
    
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    July 26, 2022 6:49pm
Bridgenag

At the supermarket I stood behind an overweight person of Polynesian origin dressed in a new hoodie track suit arrangement. The trolly had all the “necessities” Huge pack of toilet paper, 3 dozen beers, 3 large bottles of Fanta, 1 large bottle of pretend fruit juice, pack of 4 cream donuts, packet of cat biscuits and 3 packets of human biscuits. Bought cigarettes or something that required blue paper and/or white paper. All totalled $181 I muttered to the checkout girl about food purchases and she said they do all that shopping on their benefit card. Thought about it on the way home. Of course they then go to the kind folks to get the food bags. Really got it sorted.
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July 26, 2022 8:20am
- Bobba Fret
  
  They really know how to game the system.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:45am
- MCōs
  
  Which supermarket was that?
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:57am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Foodtown
    
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    July 26, 2022 1:23pm
- Nickc2
  
  Taxpayer’s money well spent – NOT!!!
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:07am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  And a separate Maori health authority to deal with the racist-diabetes, obesity and heart disease which follows.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:35am
Stellaboxer

Rather unflattering opinion piece in the UKs Daily Telegraph entitled The Rise and Fall of Jacinda Ardern. I’ve tried to provide a link but can’t seem find a way of doing so on the mobile app. A scathing critique of her and her government which is pretty spot on, and a sobering outlook for NZs future by economist Matthew Lesh. Oh but the comments! Don’t leave her with much.
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July 26, 2022 8:20am
cas

I had the misfortune to catch Marcus Lush late last night. Why he ever got another award is beyond me. The man is trash.
Anyway some woman rang in about the fact that the select committee wasn’t taking email submissions on 3 waters. Immediately Lush was in an accusatory mode – how do you know etc. When she talked about the Taxpayers Union he must have a bee in his bonnet about them as it was then into we don’t know who funds them and again you can’t believe what you read on line. She explained about the photo which he completely discounted and then disconnected her.

Horrible man. Hardly anyone ever rings and he is usually rude to and cuts off he doesn’t agree with.
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July 26, 2022 8:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You’re dead right cas. He’s the worst talkback host in NZ.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:39am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Oh I don’t know captain That guy who does the 9am till 12 on ZB Wellington is literally painful.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:30am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Yep, I switch channels when his show comes on at 8pm (often in the car at this time). I sometimes try listening for a few minutes, but his painful self-musings to fill air time, or the examples of him shutting down any conversations which might run against woke-narrative make him the worst of the worst.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:38am
- Media hater
  
  So infuriatingly smug as well.
  
  I remember him actually telling a caller that if something had not been reported by CNN then he didn’t believe it. Sounds unbelievable, but I heard him with my own ears.
  
  I wonder if he just goes through the required motions to pick up a pay check. Worthless.
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:19am
- Inandout
  
  He is an Invercargill Councillor as well so must have a left wing following. Definitely a Jacinda worshipper.
  
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  July 26, 2022 12:29pm
otago-man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/business/record-105-billion-annual-trade-deficit-as-fuel-price-hits-economy/Worst since records began in 1960.To put this in perspective, $10.5 billion equals 70 million $150 lambs, we produce about 24 million lambs a year, so this deficit is close to three years of NZ’s total lamb production.
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July 26, 2022 8:26am
- otago-man
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/business/record-105-billion-annual-trade-deficit-as-fuel-price-hits-economy/ Worst was added to the url, this will work
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:28am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes Indeed, I posted the Stats site yesterday.
    
    How the hell NZ thinks it can claw this back I do not know.
    
    Closure of Marsden Pt will be a hand brake on NZ going forward for years to come.
    
    People think inflation is going to magically disappear are kidding them selves.
    
    You will own nothing and be happy immediately springs to mind.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:57am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Closure of Marsden Pt will be a hand brake on NZ going forward for years to come
      
      It was a small refinery by international standards so processing costs were high by international standards, It was built to handle Mid East crude and was not able to handle meaningful amounts of NZ crude.
      
      It was owned by oil companies who presumably shut it because the sums did not work.
      
      So do you think government should have either nationalised it or just subsidised the operation?
      
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      July 26, 2022 10:18am
      - Taieri
        
        It was a small refinery by international standards
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        Catering to a small domestic market…
        
        Ever heard of the energy security concept?
        
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        July 26, 2022 10:40am
      - Cassandra
        
        This needs a big picture approach – it’s not a matter to be dealt with in isolation. We need security of supply, either internally or, if external, along with the ability to keep sea lanes open and so on. This government has abandoned self sufficiency, allowed the Navy to degrade, threatens hydro via its 3 Waters madness etc. no plan and no ability to plan. If subsidies are part of the solution then yes, Labour has subsidised less worthy projects.
        
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        July 26, 2022 10:46am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Ian, With all due respect, Read the article and the Stats posted yesterday GD.
        https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/petroleum-imports-fuel-large-deficit/
        “Since the recent closure of the Marsden Point refinery, more refined petrol and diesel are being imported,” international trade statistics manager Alasdair Allen said.
        
        “The value-adding, which occurs offshore prior to arriving in New Zealand, contributes to the increases in the total import value.”
        Unquote.
        It should have stayed as a ” Strategic Asset” and never been privatised.
        And to really sink it in.
        https://www.wlrn.org/news/2022-06-27/how-a-massive-refinery-shortage-is-contributing-to-high-gas-prices
        
        Yes NZ Light Sweet crude can not be processed in NZ. That is not my point. The same reason is NZ coal is exported due to higher prices can not be burned here.
        
        While we are at it, Have a look at Marine Traffic and see how many Product Tankers are coming into NZ.
        https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:171.8/centery:-34.9/zoom:4
        This comes with a huge price increase not too mention a lot more specialised Product Tankers. The only outcome is massive price increases to NZ consumers.
        Throw in the Weaker NZ$ and Bingo. Perfect Storm.
        
        If Marsden Pt was still operating ( At a Profit now), Do you think we will be paying the same prices for Diesel, Av Gas, and Petrol. Not too mention Bitumen and Urea , Fertiliser ?
        
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        July 26, 2022 10:49am
      - Paulus
        
        There is no more Bituman as it all has to be shipped in from overseas, assuming the boats still trade.
        
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        July 26, 2022 2:11pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @MasterM
        Where to start ….
        
        …value-adding, which occurs offshore prior to arriving …
        Previously the value-adding occurred onshore and generated a profit for the (foreign) oil companies who ran the refinery for NZ Refining.
        
        Why would the oil companies who ran the refinery accept less profit from locally refined petrol than what they could get from importing finished product?
        
        ..ability to keep sea lanes open..
        importing crude in tankers, petrol/diesel in tankers. What’s the diff sea lane wise?
        
        stayed as a ” Strategic Asset” and never been privatised
        Sold off a long time ago in 1984 like Telecom, Railways and other stuff. Credit to Roger D I guess. Not too many other countries that I know of where the gummint owns the only (small) oil refinery.
        
        If Marsden Pt was still operating ( At a Profit now), Do you think we will be paying the same prices for Diesel, Av Gas, and Petrol. Not too mention Bitumen and Urea , Fertiliser ?
        
        Why would we not be paying the world price for refined product? NZ Refining and Z/BP/Mobil are not charities.
        
        Urea comes from natural gas, not oil.
        
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        July 26, 2022 2:40pm
Stellaboxer

Link to Ardern piece https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/25/rise-fall-jacinda-ardern/
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July 26, 2022 8:27am
Captain Mainwaring

Why is everyone with an opinion on something automatically an ‘expert’?
From climate scientists to epidemiologists to road safety enthusiasts, whenever a comment is made they suddenly become ‘experts’.
Evidence would suggest that the opposite is the case.
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July 26, 2022 8:28am
- Master Mariner
  
  Same reason a “Dad” shot during a drug deal gone wrong is the Most, Caring , Gentle soul and a Pillar of the community. etc etc. Or some one saves somebody / animal is a “Hero” etc etc.
  
  Really annoys me too.
  
  So in the same sense , Due to Piss poor research and Journalism , It is easier to call everyone an expert to save them selves the bother of proper research etc.
  
  Another problem with “Experts” is they tend to focus on only one side of the equation of which the Journalism is trying to portray.
  
  At least how I see it.
  
  Due to semantics, The word “expert” now means a Halfwit who has no clues. Interesting how word meanings are changed over time.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:46am
  - Flossie
    
    And anyone whoever had their face on TV for five minutes becomes a “star”.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:47am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, Unfortunately the list keeps on giving while facts are an inconvenience it would appear.
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:11am
  - leoj
    
    X – an unknown quantity
    Spert – a drip under pressure
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:35am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Expert = X is the unknown quantity. Spurt is a Drip under pressure. 🙂
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:01am
    - Pavel
      
      An Ex is a has been and a spurt is a drip under pressure.
      
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      July 26, 2022 12:18pm
AC

Check out this 3 Waters job ad

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/57851544?savedSearchID=56697858-a1de-11e8-93a9-8bcb8c13cfa7&tracking=JMC-SNZ-eDM-JobMail22-3928

This is how water will be managed if this goes ahead.

The governance is what has had most focus but this ad is for a management role. Can you just imagine what this would be like if unleashed.
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July 26, 2022 8:36am
- Stellaboxer
  
  AC don’t worry nobody will apply it will only last a few months and it will be gone.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:40am
  - Paulus
    
    Think of the huge Redundancy payments if it is discontinued.
    
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    July 26, 2022 2:13pm
    - artemisia
      
      New Ministers can change the funding and the required outcomes. Incumbents can see out their contracts or resign. But they will be under a lot more scrutiny of their performance. Some appointees will be OK, even good, and be successful under a different regime. Others not so much, the phrase ‘we’re from the government and we’re here to help’ will not be popular with the well paid senior appointees.
      
      Not the fault of the appointees but if they have a few smarts they will be aware of possible future scenarios from the outset.
      
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      July 26, 2022 4:31pm
- Cassandra
  
  Note it requires proficiency in Maori language. I look forward to this nonsense getting kicked into touch by National/ACT. I would like to be the ACT Minister in charge of sorting this out. While I do not like Donald Trump I think his approach would be appropriate ie “You’re fired”. Repeat after me 4,000 times.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:52am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Possible applicants:
  
  Matthew Tukaki
  N Mahutas sister
  N Mahutas husband
  N Mahutas niece
  N Mahutas nephew
  
  As Willy Jackson says, Maori very small pool, at 16.5% of NZ population only 750,000 to choose from. Hard not to give the same 2-3 about 5 roles each.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:27pm
greybeard

Hosking had a brilliant piece this morning at about 7:55am.
He was quoting an Australian news article which shredded Ardern’s character and ability.
Listen to it on NewstalkZB On Demand.
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July 26, 2022 8:36am
- fernglas
  
  I didn’t hear the broadcast, but perhaps he was referring to a piece in the Telegraph, from which this is an excerpt:
  “The broader economic situation has combined with a sense that Ardern has over-promised and under-delivered. In 2017, Ardern’s flagship promise was to build 100,000 affordable homes within ten years – just 1,366 have been built. The same week that Ardern was featured on the front cover of British Vogue, in the edition guest edited by Meghan Markle, her government abandoned the housebuilding commitment. Since then, the government has spent over NZ$1 billion on emergency housing grants, including buying up motel rooms.
  
  Ardern also promised to build a light rail in Auckland. The project has not even started. She committed to lift 100,000 children out of poverty. Child poverty has increased. There was also a promise to urgently address climate change. Emissions have increased by over 2 per cent since 2018.”
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/25/rise-fall-jacinda-ardern/
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:46am
  - fernglas
    
    To which you can add the news to which DPF referred at 7:00am, and that is that a very large chunk of our children is effectively out of the education system. If ever there was a recipe for a country to fall to pieces, it is having half the population uneducated and illiterate.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:01am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , this will be her true legacy.
      
      Locked the country down , to “save the health system” but crashed the future of hundreds of thousands . (Yes there is personal responsibility) But it’s taken a hundred years to build the systems and only moments to destroy it.
      
      We called it here at the very start . So much for the “experts”.
      
      And where will the accountabilty be ?
      
      This will be reflected in prison stats , stress on Cop resources , innocent victims of crime , suicide , substance abuse , more welfare spending , unemployment ,more poverty
      
      etc etc
      
      This is huge . Bigger than batflu.
      
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      July 26, 2022 9:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    No, he was referring to an article by Greg Sheridan in The Australian which unfortunately is pay-walled. It dealt with Cindy’s inability and failure to take questions from the Aust Media.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/surprised-jacinda-ardern-wouldnt-talk-to-aussie-journalists-in-suva-you-shouldnt-be/news-story/601066356bb4006d2d491300cc66e6ba&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-cold-test-noscore&V21spcbehaviour=append
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:45am
    - Nickc2
      
      Note: I included the link in my post above because if selected, it shows a photograph of an aggressive, arrogant, and dismissive Ardern at her best.
      I sure as hell wouldn’t like to come home to that each night let alone wake up next to it.
      
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      July 26, 2022 10:45am
- Opie
  
  Any chance of a link?
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:20am
  - greybeard
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/
    Choose the 7:45am slot and go forward 8mins 35secs.
    
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    July 26, 2022 12:27pm
Tony Stuart

Ian McKelvie and David Bennett to retire from politics in 2023. That opens up two electorates, Rangitikei and Hamilton East, for candidate selections. Rangitikei will be an especially competitive race given its history as a safe National seat and it should attract an excellent field of candidates.
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July 26, 2022 8:38am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Then Mcalnuty will get a high list ranking but that might not save him.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:12am
  - Alwynn
    
    What does a Labour MP in the Wairarapa Electorate have to do with Rangitikei or Hamilton?
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What does the odorous McCanulty have to do with it? He is Wairarapa electorate
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:36am
    - MCōs
      
      “odorous McCanulty”
      
      Who is this smelly person of which you speak?
      
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      July 26, 2022 12:47pm
    - RichardX
      
      Did you mean odious or are you really concerned with the odour he emits?
      
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      July 26, 2022 12:51pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He is often full of shit
        
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        July 26, 2022 11:51pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What do Rangitikei and Hamilton East have to do with McAnulty? He’s in Wairarapa.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:37am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    So what if Mcanalty gets a high ranking, whatever happens in NZ Labour won’t be back in power for decades. At every election from here on in all you will have to do is point to this despicable clown show.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:47am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Suppose it depends on your definition of excellent.
  Go back a few years and you were telling us that Harete Hipango was an excellent candidate for Whanganui.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:25am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Anyone can make a mistake Ross. As far as Rangitikei goes, just making the final five for the selection will be something of an achievement.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:46am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s a rather large mistake
      
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      July 26, 2022 10:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is better than most the losers on the other side of the house, thank hod several will be losing their jobs. Nash will lose his seat in Napier as well. He has had that seat for sometime, and these idiots will think he is safe and he won’t get back on the list
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:16am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Nash is as safe as a bloke who is tripple jabbed from catching covid.
      
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      July 26, 2022 11:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Not what I heard on the ground, he will loose, and he will be too far back on the Labour list.
        Katie Nimon cut his margin in the 2020 election in half, and that’s with the COVID swing, it will be a huge swing away from Labour in all electorates, so the 2500 he won by will easily gobbled up, Nats have been polling snd are confident of winning, so much so that they are bringing forward their candidate process from the end of the year to very soon, Katie is very popular, and people are demanding she stands
        
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        July 26, 2022 11:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hamilton East will head back to Nats by a long shot, Bennett had the angry man syndrome, snd made a dick of himself often in the house
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:28am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I think Bennett has realised that Barbara Kuriger has the inside running to be Minister of Agriculture in a future National government.
    
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    July 26, 2022 9:48am
    - Paulus
      
      Kuriger is from a well known farming family, and is a farmer herself, so she knows her cows from sheep.
      
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      July 26, 2022 2:16pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Pffft… They will become safe Labour seats now as the rural traitors will vote Labour big time like they did in 2020.
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not what I am hearing from my wok in agri, all saying the only way to keep Greens out is vote Nats, funny how things work out
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:57pm
Warren

Greame Wheeler and Bryce Wilkenson point out grievous mistakes by Central Banks over the Pandemic.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-response-central-banks-made-grievous-mistakes-says-former-rbnz-governor-graeme-wheeler/BPJZAOGPDL4PU3U3OVCWHADJ3Q/
I wonder what the response from Grant Robertson and Adrian Orr will be.
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July 26, 2022 8:55am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes, There is an excellent interview on Youtube from Merv King about this.
  Sorry cant find link.
  One very pertinent point raised was why would you slash OCR to stimulate the economy whereby the whole point was too keep people at home and not spread the Virus.
  Counter intuitive.
  Great point.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:04am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Here’s the link from Merv King.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Zb_AvxT8g
    
    You cant put an Old Head on Young shoulders springs to mind.
    
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    July 26, 2022 10:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Orr was hamstrung by Robertson, he asked for government spend to slow, snd he was forbidden to push up interest rates, now the country waits for the rapidly approaching carnage, Robertson will simply through Orr under the bus
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:19am
Ross Campbell

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The company announced the results of their Covid policy review yesterday and I think it was a good balance overall.
Mask wearing has been reduced to very specific conditions only, daily RAT testing down to once a week and vaccine mandates for existing staff dropped but kept for new staff starting.
They managed to get rid of 5 people under the old rules which was a big win for everyone as the individuals involved were were very disruptive and low performing due to the various axes they had to grind over the policies so it was good to see the back of them.
Keeping these basic rules in place should stop more of that sort filtering back in.
Another observation as well.
From my experience militant non mask wearers and bad breath seem to have a direct correlation.
Maybe el gato malo or Guy Hatchard could write a piece on it.
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July 26, 2022 9:00am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Well Ross you have confirmed what type of person you are.
  
  You’re happy 5 people lost their jobs “managed to get rid of 5 people under the old rules which was a big win for everyone as the individuals involved were were very disruptive and low performing due to the various axes they had to grind over the policies”
  
  I suppose 5 people who didn’t agreed with stupid COVID rules i.e. are not obedient little bots doing assigned roles are who you are labeling disruptive.
  
  Its funny how drones like you see people asking questions and querying the logic of rules are seen as disruptive. How very Hive mind and left of you…
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:12am
  - kevn
    
    @Jim… Don’t worry, he is just another put here to amuse everyone.
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:51am
Yvette

Does Ardern’s Labour Government’s failure so far to introduce “hate speech” legislation have anything to do with what their politicians might want to say before next year’s Election – most of that probably being defined as negative remarks about minority groups to incite actual action contrary to their wellbeing?
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July 26, 2022 9:05am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, you’ll know it when you see it
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:08am
7kiwi11

The Horrid reports that Auckland Transports new parking strategy has drawn strong opposition via public feedback and there are also concerns about “the level of engagement with Māori.”
Seriously why do Maori need to be engaged in banal civic matters such as car parking?
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July 26, 2022 9:11am
- Nickc2
  
  Seriously why do Maori need to be engaged in banal civic matters such as car parking?
  Come on 7Kiwi11, Blind Freddy could see this is yet another call for a Koha payment.
  
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  July 26, 2022 9:29am
Pongo

There has been a lot of terrible press for NZ under Ardern from overseas media.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/25/rise-fall-jacinda-ardern/

The latest Spiked podcast from Brendan O Neil picks apart the media coverage Ardern receives locally despite the dire state of many things there is an almost Kim Kardashian level of coverage of her.
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July 26, 2022 9:28am
Master Mariner

An Interesting take on Supply Chains disruption and fully agree.

“Global supply chains weren’t calibrated to deal with a crisis like the pandemic, and employers have really pushed that crisis onto the backs of workers.”

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Worlds-Inflation-Crisis-Could-Worsen-Amid-Labor-Protests.html

From a Seafaring point of view, Seafarers are leaving in the Sea due to to mis management not from Companies per se but from mis management of World Wide Covid restrictions thereby binding the Shipping Industry and Crewing.
However I will reiterate No Country ( Apart from NZ) stopped there respective Seafarers from entering their Country once at the Border do to following International Rules and Conventions.
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July 26, 2022 9:32am
thirteenstars

From the Free Speech Union newsletter:

“Mortician hounded for misgendering cadaver ”

The craziness of woke censorship seems to break new records every week, as their fight to control others’ speech grows. But I don’t think we’ve ever taken on a case this mad.

A member of the Free Speech Union reached out last week saying that they were worried about their job security after an incident at work when they were challenged for misgendering a patient… the peculiar thing about this case was that the client was already deceased.

While doing their work as a mortician, they referred to a client (who biologically was a certain sex) by that gender. The mortician was promptly told that while the individual had been living, they had identified as a different gender and that it was offensive and ‘harmful’ to not respect their wishes.

I went to meet with the HR department of the medical practice. They were taken aback that this mortician shockingly believed that gender is not a social construct and that employers couldn’t compel staff to refer to ‘clients’ (remember, we’re talking about a mortician!) by different pronouns. They struggled to explain exactly what ‘harm’ was being caused through this egregious offense.

Increasingly, we work on cases where employers don’t challenge the employee’s right to speak directly, but just talk about codes of conduct, competent care, cultural awareness etc. In the end though, it usually amounts to forcing an employee to take a particular stance on an issue.
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July 26, 2022 9:32am
kevn

@7kiwi11… Clipping the ticket
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July 26, 2022 9:32am
surfing

https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/world/surprised-jacinda-ardern-wouldnt-talk-to-aussie-journalists-in-suva-you-shouldnt-be/news-story/601066356bb4006d2d491300cc66e6ba

Ardern and our mainstream media really are shockers. How can the media let Ardern use them as a sock puppet ? The aussies can’t believe how bad it is.

“What is extraordinary is that the mainstream media in New Zealand rarely, if ever, comments on Ardern’s ability to seamlessly deliver what is sometimes little more than fluent gobbledygook in response to questions.”
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July 26, 2022 9:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

To Whom It May Concern:
The grass IS greener over there.
They also work harder over there.
Hence that is why the grass is greener over there.
Think about it.
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July 26, 2022 10:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The grass is always greener where you water it…
  
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  July 26, 2022 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just like peeing in the ground under the lemon tree?
    Wonder how many will know of this?
    
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    July 26, 2022 2:55pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      My father swore by it!! 🙂
      
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      July 26, 2022 6:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      ‘World’s Fastest Indian’
      
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      July 27, 2022 9:30am
Tom Hunter

The NeverTrumpers will be pleased. It’s not enough to dump people into solitary confinement for a year or more before facing trial on misdemeanor charges and similar stuff like disruption of government business.

Nope: getting Trump supporters to kill themselves is the new thrill:

A Pennsylvania man named Mark Aungst who was set to be sentenced over his presence in the Capitol on January 6th has committed suicide. He was 47-years-old and leaves behind a daughter and other family members.
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Aungst pleaded guilty June 27 in District of Columbia federal court to a charge of demonstrating or parading in a restricted building. [He] neither assaulted a police officer nor stole or damaged government property, the prosecutor had said at a previous court proceeding.

But despite his request for a community service penalty the government wanted jail time; they wanted blood. They got it. He’s the third such suicide now.

Incidentally the charges he pled guilty too are the same ones that Colbert’s crew were arrested for but the DOJ refused to charge them. Even the Capitol Police objected to that blatant double standard.

It’s good to be a Democrat when you break the law, but do they really think they can just keep pushing a two-tier legal system forever against their political opponents?
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July 26, 2022 10:05am
- All_on_Red
  
  No doubt Ross Campbell will be happy a ‘deplorable’ has killed themselves.
  Just another way to “get rid of people…(who) were very disruptive”
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:22am
Littletramp

The NZ Dollar dips under 90c against the Aussie for the first time in many years.
The Prime Ministers tactic/habit of constantly saying “if” such and such happened here (the latest being foot and mouth) the country would be stuffed, seems to be having an effect.
Is it the intended effect, who knows.
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July 26, 2022 10:15am
- cmm
  
  It appears that global events in Ukraine etc do not impact Oz as much as NZ.
  
  Nothing to do with Cindy.
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:04am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Indeed, Oz has Oil refineries and Energy security as well as huge Wheat farms and Food security.
    
    Don’t think for a minute this is lost on NZ$ sub par performance.
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes I have been watching that trend for a couple of months. It will continue if a persistent gap opens between New Zealand and Australian inflation rates.
  
  The thing that worries me is that come Q4 2023 an incoming National Government (and a repaired RBNZ with a new Governor) will need to take drastic action to get the country back on track. The pain will make them unpopular. Three years, or best case six years later, we get another socialist government.
  
  That has been the experience of Argentina for the last 30 years.
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:25am
  - cmm
    
    The question is really how screwed do things have to be before they are irreversible.
    
    Once things have got to a certain point, a tweak of governance can’t really change anything.
    
    I think the biggest problem we really have is long term loss of capability as our capable people go elsewhere and we’re increasingly inhabited by the sort of people that wag school all the time.
    
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    July 26, 2022 11:43am
Maggie Pie

I hope nobody thinks I’m being mean, but when this tweet popped up, it immediately made me think of my first boyfriend.
He had a silver Audi Coupe with a bumper-sticker…..

“SAVE THE WHALES. HARPOON A FAT CHICK”

https://twitter.com/JenThePadawan/status/1550799329392459778
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July 26, 2022 10:20am
- leoj
  
  Doc to seriously overweight person:
  “Don’t eat anything fatty.”
  Overweight person to doc:
  “What, like, pies, chips and cakes?”
  Doc:
  No, I mean, don’t eat anything, fatty.”
  Punctuation is very important……
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have no sympathy for her. She turned from ‘scientist’ to socialist activist. As soon as you do that you are fair game.
  
  And yet even as recently as yesterday she was complaining bitterly about people being mean to her.
  
  https://twitter.com/siouxsiew/status/1264328311133491200
  
  “It’s very worrying that the new leader of the National party can laugh off people’s concerns about the symbolism of a MAGA cap. And don’t @ me with your “typical labour shill” replies. If you don’t realise this is about more than party politics then that is worrying too.”
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:20am
- Frank the tank
  
  I just feel sorry for her bike……
  
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  July 26, 2022 12:10pm
- Ra Henare
  
  mmm started having boyfriends late Maggie, or was it the daddy complex you were suffering?
  
  Audi Coupe for first boyfriend??? LOL
  
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  July 26, 2022 6:15pm
Swifty

Next time someone says to you that the Labour Government doesn’t have enough money to spend and needs to either bring in new taxes or raise existing ones – you’ve got to ask yourself whether the person is 1. a thoroughly bad person who is happy to take money from the mouths of struggling NZ families to just waste or 2. thoroughly ignorant of the world around them and is happy to make comments on things they know nothing about.

As for certain lefty NZ politicians who try to convince us ‘tax is love’ and who may in fact believe that – well in that case you must conclude they are either genuinely evil or certifiably insane.

It has to be one or the other.

https://nopunchespulled.com/2022/07/25/the-disgraceful-royal-society/
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July 26, 2022 10:30am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Health warning, (know the signs); the first symptom that pressages many monkeypox infections is a pounding sensation in the rectum.
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July 26, 2022 10:50am
Swifty

As far as I’m concerned you bowl around to someone’s house, confront them, refuse to abandon your weapon and fight like a man, then thrust a bladed weapon into their torso, several times, well that’s attempted murder to me – it’s only luck and medical services that meant you didn’t kill them.

How wrong I am.

Two years in jail for wounding/injuring with intent?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/head-hunters-revenge-stabbing-serious-assault-followed-insult-to-gang/KFMONM4UZQV7LTPZTBU2VXSIJE/
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July 26, 2022 10:59am
NK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxrFoxSXu_Y

What happened at the end should have all of us very concerned.
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July 26, 2022 11:20am
- Maggie Pie
  
  He could be TV1’s next weather girl.
  
  SHEESH!!!
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:48am
- kowtow
  
  Compare and contrast the treatment meted out to Mathew Fisken , representing Nicole McKee .
  
  A walk out .
  
  And look where his support doesn’t come from.
  
  “Fewer than 50 Youth MPs remained in the chamber at the conclusion of Fisken’s speech.
  
  One of them, National MP Louise Upston’s representative Sophia Goodrich, said she didn’t leave because she was “in shock”.
  
  “If I had known what was going to happen, I would have walked out too.” ‘
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/20/mass-walkout-at-youth-parliament-after-firearms-speech/
  
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  July 26, 2022 12:08pm
  - NK
    
    Which is why National is part of the problem.
    
    People stand and applaud a racist who wants to decolonise New Zealand (remove all white colonisers from it) but walk out on someone who speak logic and common sense, pointing out the lunacy of a bad law change.
    
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    July 26, 2022 1:22pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      That guy doesn’t look like he is after “partnership” does he? You look at him and you can clearly see the future if the brakes are not put on this agenda: ethnic conflict in New Zealand. Even though with a name like Sam Orbell he has clearly got some self-reconciliation issues to address, he is clearly full of anger and a thirst for vengeance, having been pumped full of ideology for years by propagandists who share the same goals.
      
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      July 26, 2022 2:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I wonder if young Mr Orbell is aware that he shares the surname of (at least) 2 NZers who made a significant contribution to our knowledge of this country and its inhabitants.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Orbell
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Orbell
        
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        July 26, 2022 4:16pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So a young dumb youth MP makes Nats the problem? FFS no wonder we have this shambles of government now then
      
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      July 27, 2022 12:02am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    From the linked article: “[Fisken] said the way to decrease gun violence was to introduce legislation that targeted criminals, not licensed gun owners. The Government recently introduced a suite of new rules to target gangs, including harsher punishments for those who fired a gun to intimidate.”
    
    No doubt given the amped-up histrionics of the Maori radical’s previous speech on the oppression and victimhood experienced by Maori, someone calmly (tacitly) pointing out that Maori gangs are the principal root of the gun crime issue caused was devastating to the fantasies espoused by Sam Orbell and those swept up in his ideological fervor.
    
    Fisken seems like a sensible and, very importantly, principled young guy, who stuck to his guns (pun intended) and was completely unapologetic about his views.
    
    Contrast him with the aforementioned Maori radical, and it is clearly Fisken who is the brave dissenter stepping out on a limb on strongly-held principles and at the risk of blowback, versus the establishment-sanctioned faux rebelliousness of the Maori poser.
    
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    July 26, 2022 2:45pm
  - Taieri
    
    Is this what the future Parliaments will look like:
    
    “(…)Irvine, the representative for Labour MP Rachel Boyack, said he made the initial decision to walk out because he felt “uncomfortable” about the speech’s subject matter.
    
    “It’s a very valid decision… to respect someone’s freedom of speech and to stay there, but it’s an equally valid decision to leave when you feel uncomfortable with the comments that someone’s making.”(…)”
    
    A very peculiar understanding of the freedom of speech and democracy principles by the Younger Generation.
    
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    July 26, 2022 3:10pm
  - curry4me
    
    So, there’s at least one youth MP with a backbone.
    
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    July 26, 2022 7:11pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  If he was speaking German, wore a moustache, and was dressed in a Hugo Boss outfit, you’d think he was about to march into Poland.
  
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  July 26, 2022 2:07pm
- Swifty
  
  What an emotional, stage-managed and historically-ignorant appeal to grievance and disunity.
  
  Hopefully the young bloke will wake up as he gets a few years on him and matures in his thinking.
  
  BTW, we are in serious trouble when we prioritise emotion over logic, evidence and reason – especially in our Parliament.
  
  I note too that Orbell and his backers appears oblivious to the fact that a parliament is a long fought for western construct and that within Te Ao Maori women didn’t even get to speak in such a situation.
  
  A clown show.
  
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  July 26, 2022 2:30pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    “Hopefully the young bloke will wake up as he gets a few years on him and matures in his thinking.”
    
    As long as there is something to be gained by being an aggrieved minority, there will always be a motivation to think and act in this way. Take away this guy’s perceived grievances, his feathered cloak and his greenstone artefacts, and what is there left over? A slightly effeminate young man who would have to get by in the world on just his efforts and whatever intelligence he may have.
    
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    July 26, 2022 3:42pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Urggh, that prick again.
  Do I detect a lisp? Gaydar going off for me.
  Big chip on shoulder.
  “Colonisation was the worst thing to happen to this country”.
  Well, that’s where the bulk of his genes came from.
  And almost everything he takes for granted around him. Like the fish which doesn’t notice the water it swims in.
  
  If it ain’t made from stone, bone, wood, or flax – throw it away!
  And any food sources or materials or technologies which pre-date 1760’s – discard them!
  If he does this small thing, I might take his words a little seriously.
  
  Honestly, how many of these people pining for the good old days before whitey would have been pitiful slaves, or lip smacking umu fodder (kai tangata), in the old times?
  Not every Maori was an ariki nui or rangitira class.
  
  And all the kids jumping to their feet to applaud this – reeks of theatre.
  But take note comrade, who stops clapping and sits down first!
  
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  July 26, 2022 2:43pm
  - Swifty
    
    If it wasn’t for colonisation he wouldn’t even exist.
    
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    July 26, 2022 4:31pm
cmm

I unfortunately had to spend a day in hospital (2am to 6 pm) during which I spend time in ED, a ward and in theatre/recovery.

It was interesting being able to chat to some of the staff and get a feeling for boots on the ground situation with nurses etc. It was also interesting to see how parts of the hospital are managed.

At 2am, the ED was functioning fine though it had been busy on Saturday. I was seen within half an hour. Good. Some equipment that was broken last time I was there (8 weeks or so ago) were still not repaired, but still the place seemed to be function well.

A few hours later I was sent up to a ward. This ward has a staff of over 40 nurses. This is a highly specialised ward, so generally nurses stay there for a long time (10+ years being common) as it takes a year or so on the ward to become proficient. But the last year or so things have gone crazy:
* Out of the 40-odd nurses, around 20 have left in the last year and have been replaced with junior staff. For a highly stable staff body to suddenly experience 50% turnover (and the rest muttering about leaving soon), things ware way out of control.
* These are mainly the more experienced staff, so there is more pressure on fewer senior staff having to supervise and mentor junior replacement staff.
* Most seriously, the auxillary staff have been severely reduced: orderlies, nurse aides etc. This increases the workload on already overworked nurses (bed making, answering phones etc).

What I soon realised is that everything is managed for show.

When they making funding cuts, they don’t want to be seen to be those nasty people that fired nurses. The public likes nurses. But auxiliary staff? Nobody cares about them. Get rid of them. Dollar saved and nursing numbers kept up! Job done!

But what is kept out of the public eye is that they have got rid of those auxillary workers, so nurses have to do that work, so nursing numbers have really gone down. Every bed that was made by a nurses aid is now made by a nurse.

Even auxiliary workers are leaving. One of the orderlies I spoke with is leaving NZ for a job in Oz in a few days.

I see that “public face” management elsewhere too. For example mask wearing. In the areas of the hospital that are often seen by the public (eg. ED and wards), the staff are all in N95 masks – the good stuff. But down in the bowels of the building – eg. in the operating theatres – everyone is wearing those blue and white surgical masks which do nothing for CV19.

Perhaps that makes sense – only hospital staff who are tested daily are walking around those areas so there is lower risk, but it did look a bit like image management to me.

I think this is a problem with our institutions now being managed for show rather than function. What matters is making nice pie charts and PowerPoints – that’s far more important than delivering an effective system.
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July 26, 2022 11:35am
- kevn
  
  @cmm… Just any nurse about angry do-little.
  They wouldn’t scrape him off their shoes.
  That’s how low he rates.
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:54am
  - kowtow
    
    Yer but how many are die in the ditch labourites who were in ecstasy over the lockdowns .
    
    Christmas and turkeys comes to mind.
    
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    July 26, 2022 1:12pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Hope you’re on the mend, cmm. We still need that nice glass of lunch sometime, so please don’t check out on us anytime soon.
  
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  July 26, 2022 6:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If Donald Trump said he was not running in 2024, and he has had enough of Politics, just wants to go back to business, what would the left do?
Simple, The persucution of Donald trump would stop immediately. The Democrats would focus on the next threat to them. (10.42) Check around 7 min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a72lyon2e1g
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July 26, 2022 11:43am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yep – it would be open day on DeSantis.
  
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  July 26, 2022 12:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dems would never think of that – too thick.
    Hang about, did you mean open day Hillary style?
    
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    July 26, 2022 3:01pm
Maggie Pie

“We continue to be the single horse of truth”

https://youtu.be/vryqhNf2EzA

Honestly, someone needs to tell Cindy that ‘1984’ was supposed to be a warning, not an Instruction Manual 🙁
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July 26, 2022 11:54am
- Frank the tank
  
  If you build a nice but stupid individual into a narcissist this is what you get a stupid narcissist.
  
  Sadly 25-35% of the population see no problem with being led by a stupid narcissist especially if the same pays their bills or their benefit OR BOTH.
  
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  July 26, 2022 12:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another lie. Check just before 0.30.
  Then the nose scratch!!!!
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:05pm
mandk

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129380766/complaint-over-schools-racist-position-on-dreadlocks-and-braids

I don’t see how the school’s position is racist, since the rules apply regardless of race.

Besides, kids wearing braids and dreadlocks are guilty of cultural appropriation.
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July 26, 2022 11:57am
- ClanMcleod
  
  What about masks then?
  
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  July 26, 2022 1:13pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  So a dreadlock is a race now?
  And no, dreadlocks are not a ‘black’ or ‘rasta’ thing in any case.
  Some of the oldest portable art in Europe, tens of thousands of years before Marcus Garvey or Haile Selassie include a carved bust of a human face (Venus of Brassempouy), and the hair style has variably been interpretted as dreadlocks, cornrows or a head dress.
  As far as the hair getting matted and then deliberately ‘dreaded’ I will opine that all our common human ancestors did without Timotei.
  But where does this ‘rules dont apply to me’ end?
  Next thing will be facial tattoos can’t be ruled out within NZ schools.
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Properly inflated tyres can save 2 cents a litre.
I say a properly cast vote can save $1 a litre.
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July 26, 2022 12:17pm
ecco

Excellent piece in the Daily Telegraph telling it like it is about Ardern’s performance and calling her out for the vacuous, shallow character she is. Already 741 comments😝. If you can access this article via your library card or something, well worth a read.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/25/rise-fall-jacinda-ardern
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July 26, 2022 12:25pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It is a savage article. Extracts: –
  
  Jacinda Ardern oozes self-satisfaction, whether swanning about at Davos or lecturing the world on climate change and the importance of “wellbeing”. At first this young PM became the darling of the progressive world – many admired the feminist credentials, sensitive handling of the Christchurch mosque attack and zero-Covid strategy.
  :::
  The broader consequences of a nation closing itself off for such an extended period should not be brushed aside. Draconian pandemic policies turned the country inward and fearful of outsiders, scaring away immigrants and damaging trade relations.
  :::
  Meanwhile, a surge in violent crime in hollowed-out cities, including gang activities, shootings and “ram-raids,” in which thieves drive cars into shop fronts to steal merchandise, have made the public fearful.
  :::
  The broader economic situation has combined with a sense that Ardern has over-promised and under-delivered. In 2017, Ardern’s flagship promise was to build 100,000 affordable homes within ten years – just 1,366 have been built. The same week that Ardern was featured on the front cover of British Vogue, in the edition guest edited by Meghan Markle, her government abandoned the housebuilding commitment. Since then, the government has spent over NZ$1 billion on emergency housing grants, including buying up motel rooms
  :::
  Ardern also promised to build a light rail in Auckland. The project has not even started. She committed to lift 100,000 children out of poverty. Child poverty has increased. There was also a promise to urgently address climate change. Emissions have increased by over 2 per cent since 2018
  :::
  Lacking the capacity to address the numerous challenges facing her nation, the Ardern gloss has faded. In the end, standing ovations at international conferences will not make up for a loss of confidence at home
  
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  July 26, 2022 1:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Loss of confidence at home is not Known to the World. Just the other day some commenter said they could not get Newshub, or something overseas.
    Jaspinda is the NZ Princess overseas, even my Alaskan friends say she is the greatest thing that ever happened to NZ according to what they hear and see.
    The World seems to be shut off from NZ – why?
    
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    July 26, 2022 3:22pm
  - ecco
    
    Thanks Kk😀.
    Unfortunately the bought out media would never publish anything like that in NZ about Ardern or all further government prop up money would dry up for those media outlets. Be interesting to see if nzh have the balls to publish it behind their paywall. Probably not.
    
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    July 26, 2022 6:09pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    A homely little onanist who popped her cherry thru undergraduate politics, and has never progressed to emotional and intellectual maturity.
    
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    July 27, 2022 1:29am
- alex Masterley
  
  That is a kick in the teeth from UK mainstream media.
  The points are well made.
  
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  July 26, 2022 2:00pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Archived version:
  
  https://archive.ph/hMe0D
  
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  July 26, 2022 2:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cheers for that Rodion. Pity we can’t see the comments. I stole it and put on Facebook so Alaskan friends can see.
    I also prefixed a description for the censorers and factcheckers. ‘It is true, flag it down or delete, shows me where Facebook stands, even as we all know.
    
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    July 26, 2022 3:41pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I wonder if that is part of govt propaganda push – prevent expat kiwis who might vote from getting easy access to anything other than fawning international coverage.
      
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      July 26, 2022 4:03pm
Tony Stuart

From the NZ Taxpayers’ Union Twitter feed:

New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union
@TaxpayersUnion
If the rumours are true that the F&E Select Committee are intending to vote to NOT hear oral submissions from individuals on Three Waters, this is another example of democratic process being undermined regarding this controversial proposed legislation.

https://twitter.com/TaxpayersUnion/status/1551688840620146688

Nothing the current government does surprises me any more; they have manipulated the select committee process with much regularity over the last couple of years.

The final total of submissions on Three Waters isn’t yet known, but it will be in excess of 85,000. The final total for the Taxpayers’ Union was somewhere in the region of 68,600, there were more than 15,000 lodged through the National Party website, plus those submissions lodged directly with Parliament. If the Government does use its majority on the Finance and Expenditure Committee to refuse to hear submissions in person, there will be considerable anger from those who took the time to submit, many of whom, like me, were doing so for the first time.
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July 26, 2022 12:44pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Like you Tony, nothing would surprise me here. Ardern has proven herself adept and untroubled by trampling laws and democratic principles in pursuit of entrenching her rule.
  
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  July 26, 2022 1:05pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    It would definitely surprise me if they heard all submitters. That would be a shocking display of integrity from a Government without any.
    
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    July 26, 2022 1:19pm
- nathie
  
  These are the Govt (Labour/Green) MP’s enforcing this by killing off openness and transparency (throw it back at them when sometime in the future they accuse National/ACT of not listening to the people).
  
  Shame on you! Barbara Edmonds (Chairperson/Labour), Greg O’Connor (Deputy Chairperson/Labour), Glen Bennett (Labour), Ingrid Leary (Labour), Anna Lorck (Labour), Chloe Swarbrick (Greens), Helen White (Labour).
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/scl/finance-and-expenditure/tab/mp
  
  Will the tame/tamed msm even bother to question the PM about this?
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:39pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Of course! What a face job it’d be if they had to listen to say 10,000 oral submissions saying the idea is stupid. Doesn’t make it right though
  
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  July 26, 2022 4:44pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  If 30,000 submitters requested oral submission. They would be given 5 minutes each. Back to back for 40 hours a week.
  
  62.5 weeks to hear all submissions. Labour don’t want to wait that long. Might not be in power any more!
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is this a new form of entertainment for some folks?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/07/several-waikato-schools-plunged-into-lockdown-evacuated-by-police-after-threat-made.html

Frightening school kids & their families
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July 26, 2022 1:07pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I doubt many will be frightened – just annoyed.
  
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  July 26, 2022 1:21pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  That Newshub article mentions that children at Firth Primary School can be collected from the Station Road entrance to the school. Firth Primary School in Matamata has only one road frontage and that is Station Road. Staff said that children would be kept safe, but nowhere does it say that children will be kept safe from idiotic teachers.
  Firth Primary School opened in about 1968 and is about 200 metres from what was Count Rendered’s paddock. Old time racing aficionados will remember Count Rendered.
  
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  July 26, 2022 1:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Kids have had a lot of ‘staying at home and like staying at home?’
  Just like the teachers – sshhhhh.
  teachers are not even worth a Capital “T”
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:48pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….

Has there ever been an openly-gay All Black?

Asking for a friend.
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July 26, 2022 1:28pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, on that subject it appears gender fluid types have no hesitation in displaying their bent.
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A one of the 54 gendered friends, or the people over the back fence?
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:51pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maggie – no, not to my knowledge
  
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  July 26, 2022 5:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ahh…looks like I lose then 🙁
    
    Thanks anyway Suze.
    
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    July 26, 2022 7:43pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  TJ
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:08am
Philview

This was probably commented on yesterday but the media report on the Labour fraud case referenced ‘Her’ getting name suppression. Obviously we can’t discuss but interesting
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July 26, 2022 1:38pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The man in the dock was a rapidly retired Mp, so was the NZF tosser hiding behind suppression
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:09am
I remember when

“The small town with a new $17 Supermarket: Stuff
A replacement New World supermarket replaces the old store now close to 40 years old.
It is almost double the size of the previous store and will create 8 new full-time jobs.”
Everyone happy you would think, but ‘no,’ some community advocates say what they need is more competition.
Strange that we never hear the suggestion that we ‘need less shoplifting.’
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July 26, 2022 2:01pm
- mandk
  
  Some people are delusional.
  
  There will never be competing supermarkets in a low-income district with a population of 6,000.
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:02pm
Harry Knuts

Has anyone noticed the increase in schools being lockdown due to threats? Pretty much seeing this on a weekly basis now: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/some-matamata-thames-gisborne-and-cambridge-schools-evacuate-or-go-into-lockdown-after-threats/XXLSZRKEYMZS4ONBZNELML344U/
If you haven’t seen this doc yet – it will help explain the growing popularity of fake calls through to emergency services which is causing these situations – Netflix – Web of Make Believe – Death by SWAT.
It’s a game to these people as the consequences are next to nothing.
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July 26, 2022 2:10pm
Biscuit

Friend has just sent me this:

With some Manly (NRL) players opting out of their next game because they didn’t believe they should be forced to wear a Rainbow (inclusive) jersey, what do you think would happen if the All Blacks wanted to add a splash of colour to their collar?
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July 26, 2022 3:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Put some duct tape over it. KISS, keep it simple stupid.
  
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  July 26, 2022 3:54pm
- surfing
  
  Sick and tired of this BS virtue signalling.
  
  Great to see these 7 players refuse to apologise for the sins of others. The cowardly gay community target those who don’t have the power to fight for their principles.
  
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  July 26, 2022 5:10pm
- MCōs
  
  They’re not forced to do anything, of course.
  Nobody’s standing over them and forcing them to wear the jerseys.
  In the good old days gladiators were forced to fight to the death. They had no choice in the matter.
  SBW refused to wear a Blues jersey with a small bank advertisement, so one was produced with the Plunket Society logo instead.
  In his case the franchise let it slide and clearly big bank wasn’t too fussed.
  
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  July 26, 2022 5:17pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Mcos – those players will face a lot of pressure from their employees and they may be in breach of contract by making themselves unavailable as they are paid professional players. So yeah there is coercion in play here…
    
    Sports teams should not use players contracted to play, and probably to do promos for sponsors as written in their contracts, into promoting social causes against players wills or more importantly against players values or religious beliefs.
    
    If Manly want to support gay pride they have a simple option – get a former player in Ian Roberts to do promotion work in a Manly jersey. Roberts came out as gay while still an NRL player many years ago iirc… No need to cause friction inside the playing group in this manner
    
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    July 26, 2022 8:11pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      As a general rule of contract law, any contract, including an employment contract, which seeks to restrict or bar recourse by a contracting party to legal rights under the law is unenforceable.
      
      An example is an employment contract which bars a worker’s recourse to workers’ compensation under relevant legislation.
      
      How this rule applies to NSW in the rugby situation depends on NSW/Fed law, of course. Which I can’t comment on.
      
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      July 27, 2022 7:15pm
- AndyW
  
  Last season in the women’s AFL, a muslim refused to play for her team in the ‘pride’ round. The club and media supported her choice. Rank hypocrisy.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biggest hint yet?
https://rumble.com/v1dk94f-trump-just-dropped-his-biggest-2024-hint-yet.html?
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July 26, 2022 4:12pm
Swifty

Maori shyster complains of being denied another opportunity to shyster and while purporting to 1. represent all Maori and 2. know what they all believe and value:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/471626/maori-data-specialists-not-consulted-on-facial-recognition-technology-data-sovereignty-expert

Sowell summed this up well – it was along the lines of “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.”

He’s got it in one.
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July 26, 2022 4:47pm
surfing

More on the polytech merger…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/300646387/former-te-pkenga-exec-who-quit-disneyland-mega-polytech-calls-for-commissioner

Te Pūkenga is now facing a range of issues including a ballooning $110 million-plus annual deficit and potential redundancies

The polytechnics were losing 50 million a year. Hipkins ‘good idea’ has seen this balloon to $110+ a year, and , the newly created bureaucrats are going to start sacking the people who actually teach the courses.
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July 26, 2022 5:14pm
Suze Wainwright

Really terrible thought – could a foot & mouth outbreak in NZ be an avenue for Ardern to show her ‘stellar’ leadership skills in a crisis?
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July 26, 2022 5:21pm
- Hebe123
  
  Nah it’s too complicated for her tiny brain.
  
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  July 26, 2022 10:50pm
Maggie Pie

Ma retweets…..

‘READ IT AND WEEP GIRLS 🙁
Why do we allow individuals like this to continue sucking air?
Please tell me what possible use they are to society.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1551761148243873792
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July 26, 2022 5:26pm
MCōs

When the mob occupied parliament grounds in NZ one section produced a list of people they wished to see executed.
In Myanmar four people who demonstrated against the military junta were executed yesterday with another 100+ already condemned to death after sham trials without legal representation.
Some people on this forum like to compare us to these tyrannical states where executions, murders and disappearances are a reality not a laughable threat by a bunch of wild eyed fools.
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July 26, 2022 5:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Deriding what you describe as false comparisons while calling the anti vaxx mandate protestors a ‘mob’. Mirror called for, but don’t stare too long. You might not like what you see.
  
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  July 26, 2022 6:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Whilst here in NZ we have leaders of Political parties laughing as they discuss the possibility of poisoning a rival political leader.
  
  You’d think we were in Putin’s Russia or Kim’s DPRK.
  
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  July 26, 2022 6:44pm
Hugh Jarse

Does anyone recall the PM’s BFF, Jessica Mooch McKay, writing any articles about the PM disappearing for days on end, spending five days in Australia for a small number meetings, why the wedding is off, Three Waters, Co-Governance, refusing to answer Australian media question in Fiji, rising inflation, child poverty, crime, gang activity or is it only a focus on where Luxon holidays. No wonder the so call MSM papers are getting smaller than the giveaway local papers.
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July 26, 2022 5:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m sure she’ll do a big expose of Deputy PM’s junket to the Commonwealth Games
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2207/S00168/minister-to-travel-to-europe-and-uk-for-finance-engagements-and-commonwealth-games.htm
  
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  July 26, 2022 7:50pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hmm, Robertson hiding away again, it’s starting to pan out
    
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    July 27, 2022 12:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The biggest joke of the lot was the bag of wind Robertson spluttering through mask trying to tell us it was criminal Luxon say Ming he was in a certain place on a certain day when he wasn’t, what a piece of work Robertson is, Luxon never said what day it was, in the pre recorded vid he said today, it was not dated, it was a re release of his visit that was on his page the week before, FgS it was the same visit the week before they tried to smear him for not wearing a mask in that same photo, what the rotten left have forgotten, it is not compulsory to wear a mask on a work place
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:15am
kevn

@Mcos… Much more subtle here.
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July 26, 2022 5:50pm
nathie

Made an effort to watch the first segment of One Woke News for the first time in years (won’t be watching the rest of it that’s for sure).

With “Cindy’s bitch” Jessica (of Jessica and Tova fame) trumpeting they were the news outlet to break the story on Chris Luxon’ social media post when he was holidaying in Hawaii last week a couple of things struck me as it was plain to see in the reporting:

*Another Grant Robbertson hit job, feeding Labour’s favorite press gallery journos on the story, witness Robbo’s glee and use of the word “misleading” to describe Luxon (talk about hypocrisy, coming from him, as he himself constantly misleads the nation on the state of economic damage his policies has inflicted on NZ).

*Because Labour are also playing up the jealousy factor – holidaying in Hawaii – as in where John Key used to – as in it’s for the rich, especially in winter etc.

*As Luxon said (on radio reporting) the MSM knew his diary and that he was away last week (and was in Te Puki a few days earlier). So why is it an issue now? Because “Labour/Robbo” and lazy reporting by the MSM when there are other bigger issues such as the cost of living crisis and the Green party leadership crisis.

*Don’t recall One News ambushing Ardern about her pre-recording of her Waitangi Day message, which was meant to be a secret.

Compare that to Luxon’s social media team not captioning a post correctly.

Anyway the message for National/ACT is, Labour play dirty, expect more of it as Labour panics (bad polls/bad economy), and expect Labour’s favorite journos to be spoon fed “gotcha questions” which they will throw around to save Cindy!
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July 26, 2022 6:38pm
- kowtow
  
  TV3 played it up bigly too.
  
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  July 26, 2022 8:42pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Time Blubber butt was called out for his vulgarity
  
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  July 27, 2022 12:19am
AndyW

I’ve just stumbled into an article on Stuff. The ‘person’ in it identifies as “…queer and non-binary.” Help me out here – if you’re non-binary then how can you be queer? It’s complete bollocks.
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