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Captain Mainwaring

Greens in meltdown.
Let them get rid of Shaw, he’s the only moderating voice that attracts the semi-sensible Wadestown vote.
Without him they’re a bunch of unelectable Marxist whackos.
Bring it on.
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July 24, 2022 8:02am
- piglady
  
  I do hope you’re right Captain.
  Be interesting to see who tries to get elected in his place.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:08am
  - pdm
    
    `Without him they’re a bunch of unelectable Marxist whackos.’
    
    I think that sentence is right on the money pl.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:12am
  - peterwn
    
    Will not be a straight male.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I think it’s pretty clear who they want, it will be the weirdo Lizzy druggy, they know she will be popular with the young and dumb, and they will want an electorate Mp as one of the leaders, I would have thought it’s the other leech who should have made way
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:43am
    - Hebe123
      
      Isn’t she trans or bi or something else I don’t even want to know about as well. Bonus!
      
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      July 24, 2022 7:19pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Who else? It has to be cannabis Chloe.
    
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    July 24, 2022 1:45pm
- Simon
  
  Shaw is spending the weekend reviewing his options on how best to get through a leadership vote of the Gweens.
  
  On Monday morning Shaw is going to glue his head to Auckland harbour bridge.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:12am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    He has kept his ministerial role. Cindy has confirmed. So why would he bother about leading the unwashed and the stinking hippies? He is a master trougher. Worse than Jim Anderton.
    
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    July 24, 2022 1:47pm
- DRHILL
  
  they’re not the Greens anymore. They were taken over by the woke groups of the old Alliance Party days.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:16am
  - fisho
    
    They never were. They’ve just been biding their time and culling off the ‘useful idiots’ once they’ve served their purpose, which is to help progress a worldwide Marxist agenda.
    Poor old Jimmy is more akin to the feckless people who vote for them religiously every election. Relatively well off, White, predominately female, and wracked with guilt for being so. Pathetic.
    The sad thing is they truly believe that all the other political parties don’t give a shit about the environment, so the Greens are needed to wave that flag. Any respect I had for them, which has admittedly never been high, went out the window with their position on the Kermadec marine sanctuary. Liars and hypocrites.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:58am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Any respect I ever had for them (barely registering on the respect scale, I admit) went out the window when Material Turei proudly admitted to stealing from the taxpayer and lying to the electoral commission so she could vote where she wanted to.
      
      Shortly afterwards, the only two remaining Greens MPs with a shred of conscience resigned in protest, for which they should rightly be commended.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:37am
      - Nickc2
        
        But Materia Turei does have the honour of being the biggest lump of all those swept under Cindy’s office carpet.
        
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        July 24, 2022 12:39pm
- G152
  
  And with him they’re a bunch of unelectable Marxist whackos.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:19am
  - David Garrett
    
    G: You seem to have missed the point – that Shaw provided a veneer of sense and reason that the others completely lack – he was the glitter on the turd if you like. Without him they are exposed for the extremist whack jobs the entire rest of their caucus consists of. And the ladies who lunch can no longer vote for that nice James with the nice smile and two mummies, and ignore the Mexican.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:06am
    - Matt Long
      
      The ladies who lunch love the member for Tijuana more than some pasty white guy.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I what
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:44am
    - coge
      
      The straight, white, middle aged Green luvvies really love the Mexican.
      
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      July 24, 2022 12:54pm
- Colville
  
  Potential to push them under the 5% lifeline they exist on.?
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    Don’t think so. I think there is a solid 8% of the population that would vote Green no matter what. Just because it has the word Green in it. I believe we are stuck with the Greens under MMP.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:12am
    - Colville
      
      5 or 6 % in the 02 05 & 08 elections. With a swing against the left in ’23 4.9 % could be possible.
      That would put Labour in the mid 30s
      There will definitely be a large movement from Green to Lab
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:20am
      - I remember when
        
        The endless ‘climate change’ items in the media means the Greens are, by association, in the media without having to use their own funds.
        At present Labour are having to concentrate on the economy and racial equity.
        So difficult to see the Green vote not staying above the 5% mark.
        
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        July 24, 2022 11:34am
      - RoboRob
        
        Greens normally drop when Labour is strong. I expect next year Labour will loose votes to the greens.
        
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        July 24, 2022 1:00pm
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Cannabis Chloe will easily win Auckland Central because Auckland Central is full of idiots.
        
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        July 24, 2022 1:48pm
    - PeeJay
      
      Sadly agree with the 8% estimate but it would be interesting to see what would happen if they ever had a challenge from a true green party that was solely concerned about the environment and only the environment – and not using the word green as a cloak for their true agenda like the current party. Will never happen though but speculation is fun.
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:35am
      - Nickc2
        
        My pick is that come the next election (if we’re allowed to have one) we will see the emergence of a breakaway movement from the Greens called the ‘Teals’ just as happened in Aust’s last election. The Teals are a bunch of ‘not quite Blue Rincers who spend much of their time and Husband’s/Toyboy’s money slurping Latte and Champers in their local Pub’s Lounge Bar and have an opinion on everything which intensifies and gets louder as they get pissed and eventually, they sign up to or form a Political Party.
        I think Jeanette Fitzsimons and/or Sue Bradford may well come out of retirement (from under their rocks) and lead this Teal Lookalike Party.
        
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        July 24, 2022 1:00pm
      - Flossie
        
        Have to ask Nickc2, exactly what is a blue rincer?
        
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        July 24, 2022 2:36pm
  - Mike H S
    
    I certainly hope so but sadly I doubt it with the intellect of that bunch.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:44am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The Greens will do fairly well in 23 even with the loonies leading them, because there will be a decent number of disaffected Labour voters who see no other alternative.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:35am
- Cassandra
  
  I’d like to see Golriz get the job, or even better, the strange little Mexican – Shaw gives them a veneer of respectability.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:26am
  - pdm
    
    Yep Cassandra – he even dresses respectably.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:14am
    - Colville
      
      If Shaw “came out” and told people he wears womens undies under that suit he would probably keep the job…
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:57am
- Warren
  
  Yes and I hope Cloe stands against him, that will show that she is not the team player that she makes out she is and that she is no different to our Prime Minister. It’s all about her not the Green Party, I’m no fan of James Shaw but he seems to be the only sensible one amongst them.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:26am
  - Paulus
    
    Sorry, to say that I do not think he will stand against Cloe.
    Been building up for months so Shaw must have seen the signs, and the wind of the radical left must have engineered everything.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:14am
  - I remember when
    
    Chloe qualifies under Gurwinder # 11:
    Babble Hypothesis.
    Regardless of her intelligence level.
    
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    July 24, 2022 12:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s not easy being a woke metrosexual male these days, Cpn.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:31am
  - RoboRob
    
    I believe this has all been planned. The recent change of the rules that mean the ‘balance’ of the greens changes from male and female leaders to woman & Maori was the setup. They have kept the useless Marama Davidson to cover the Maori and woman aspect allowing them to select whoever they want. If they had a Transsexual they would select that person but I’m pretty sure they are about to have a second woman.
    
    The irony of the hard left is that they have moved from being pro woman to being anti man.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:17am
    - David George
      
      Golriz was on the other day insisting that men can give birth, Marama is more concerned about her “trans whanau” and they both spew hate about colonists (AKA white people) and TERFS – women wanting to protect their private places. It’s a belching sewer pipe of hate and a freaking madhouse, quite why anyone would want them anywhere near the levers of power is beyond me.
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:06am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Ah yes – Marama – that delightful ‘woman’ who reclaimed the word “cunt” and insists that only women can appropriately use it.
        God spare us.
        
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        July 24, 2022 12:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Greens changed the rules to decree that one co-leader must be Maori
      
      A change in party rules earlier this year removed the requirement for a male leader and introduced a new requirement that at least one co-leader be Māori.
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/24-07-2022/james-shaw-and-the-green-ejection-seat
      
      So, yet another political Party in NZ running Race-based favouritism for candidate selection.
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:54am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Would Chloe’s Ying balance Marama’s Yang?
  
  Who’s next on the Green’s Party list?
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:39am
  - pdm
    
    `Who’s next on the Green’s Party list?’
    
    Shaw is not going anywhere even if he loses.
    
    He wont’t give up the big bucks a Cabinet Minister gets and he has not finished stuffing Agriculture and Horticulture up yet.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:17am
    - Matt Long
      
      He’ll be waiting for the next election for Christopher to anoint him the new Climate Change Crises Czar.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:36am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Don’t talk bullshit
        
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        July 24, 2022 11:47am
      - Matt Long
        
        Now let me see, which paties signed up to Shaw’s Zero Carbon Act and natural emissions from farms going into the ETS unless HWEN is universally accepted?
        There was the Greens, the Reds, the Racists, Winston First and some other party, what was that party, the Teals? Hmmm, what could it be ummmmm, that’s right National!! I knew it would come to me.
        Jimmy and Toddy get deals done, just the kind of consensus building Christopher likes, I imagine he’ll be able to squash any dissent that might be upsetting to the woke.
        
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        July 24, 2022 6:19pm
- David Garrett
  
  Captain: I agree…he is definitely the most sane of them. Having two far out whackos leading them can only benefit us…but their membership will be too stupid – or perhaps too out of it – to realise that fact.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:50am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes it’s hard to believe that about 10% actually vote for these nutters. The only person that I think could beat Jimmy in a leadership challenge is Chloe (surely the Mexican couldn’t?). They’ve already cleared the way for Chloe by changing the rules and allowing two female joint leaders. Someone must be pushing Chloe forward but I’m not sure if she is ready or wants to lead them yet.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m pretty sure her recent publicity about starving students was the signal that she’s entered the race.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/07/cost-of-living-chloe-swarbrick-says-students-struggles-are-completely-avoidable.html
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:15am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Avoidable by not shutting the economy down and not printing 53 billion dollars?
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:37am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The utterly useless (she’s my local waste of space MP) Swarbrick is keeping a low profile. Sounds like she might be going to have a go.
      She will be perfect in helping destroy this bunch of nutters as a political force.
      
      It astounds me how 40 years ago many ridiculed the Greens of the day as mung bean and lentil eating weirdos. They may have been, but by the same token they were principled and genuine and some of their points were valid and debatable. And they were open to debate.
      Sadly they evolved into the hysterical bunch of ideological nutbars we are faced with today.
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:33am
  - RoboRob
    
    I am pretty sure every woman in the Greens can beat Jimmy. They don’t want a male leader, it’s just note woke enough. Hope its Galraz, Chloe is actually smart (but bloody annoying).
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:20am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Smart as opposed to intelligent maybe?
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:39am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Shaw is not the “most sane” of the greens; he’s IMO the “least insane” which is not quite the same thing.
      
      Yes he’s in a pickle but the solution is obvious – put on a dress, start using the female restrooms, change his pronouns to xe/xir/xirs/xirself, declare xirself a “victim of colonialism” and hate crimes (some idiot smacked him as he walked to Parliament a few years ago ) and Bob’s your Aunt!
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:49am
      - Local Miller
        
        Was the “Bob’s your Aunt” pun intended?
        
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        July 24, 2022 2:25pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Of course.
        
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        July 26, 2022 4:58pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Why have two leaders? What’s the point?
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:29am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I suppose when they decided to have 2 leaders, a male and a female, it was the early warning of the current “woke” insanity?
      The west is on a stunning self destructive path. It isn’t an accident.
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:35am
      - Matt Long
        
        Next rule change, no cis male need apply.
        
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        July 24, 2022 11:38am
    - C-Town
      
      A minor party co-leader gets paid the same salary as a Party Leader by Parliamentary Services, which is lot more than a deputy leader gets. Because the Greens have a tithing system in which they donate a portion of their salary to the party, this is an indirect way of funding the Green Party at the tax-payers expensive.
      
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      July 24, 2022 1:00pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Are you sure? I thought that one leadership salary was funded; two leaders meant they split the increase over & above the base rate, so that the net cost to the taxpayer remained constant.
        
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        July 24, 2022 9:47pm
  - Mike H S
    
    I am sure this was the plan when they changed the leadership rule.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:46am
    - I remember when
      
      Misreported again – sorry Matt Long.
      The Greens were forced to change their rules with regard to Leaders.
      Male and Female where just not diverse enough.
      They are also a fail for the Party’s need to represent diversity across the broader spectrum.
      Incidentally James Shaw never have been elected being White and Male.
      
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      July 24, 2022 12:31pm
- peterwn
  
  His response seems to indicate that he knew this was possible and has given the matter some thought. It seems he will not be bothered fighting for re-election if he considers the numbers are stacked against him. He is most probably financially secure and so would not be financially dependent on remaining a MP. His chances of finding a decent job after Parliament would be very good. He has much goodwill even outside the Greens. He is a list MP so if he leaves Parliament the next Green candidate would get into Parliament.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:00am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I doubt he will leave parliament. He will still be climate change minister. That is entirely up to Jacinda.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Milk it till it moos………indeed.
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Cindy has already given him the green light for his ministry, excuse the pun
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:51am
  - pdm
    
    peterw.
    
    He says he has already jacked up with Jacinda to keep his big bucks cabinet post – rural communities are not yet totally destroyed.
    
    He still has work to do in this area.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:20am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      A small point pdm; Shaw is a Minister outside Cabinet. The Greens have no seats at the Cabinet table.
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:34am
      - pdm
        
        Inv – pay is still the same I think.
        
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        July 24, 2022 9:45am
      - Alwynn
        
        @pdm.
        The salary if they are in the Cabinet is $296,007. If they are not in Cabinet it is $249,839.
        Can you really believe that we pay bozo’s like Sepuloni, Williams and David Clark nearly $300k/year?
        
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        July 24, 2022 10:34am
      - pdm
        
        Alwynn – $250,000 approx is good money for anyone in the Green caucus.
        
        Shaw will be aiming for the $300k mark – make no mistake.
        
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        July 24, 2022 11:47am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Correct
        
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        July 24, 2022 11:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Pretty sure a minster outside cabinet gets less, I think it’s a scaled system
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:52am
  - David Garrett
    
    peterwn: I doubt he is so financially secure that he could or would give up the $250k a cabinet minister earns…plus the chauffer driven car (Oh, the irony!) and all the other associated perks of the job.
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:36am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Is it irony? Or is being driven by a chauffeur actually a form of carpooling?
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:40am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        A carpool of one is more of a car puddle.
        
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        July 24, 2022 11:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Just because you were in it for the money shouldn’t make you believe that everyone else is too.
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:53am
      - NK
        
        True.
        
        Shaw’s not in it for the money.
        
        He’s in it to take it off everyone else.
        
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        July 24, 2022 10:00am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yep, all that sweet sweet free air travel too, Koru membership and business class flights. Fortunately he has no qualms about emitting tonnes of CO2 whilst flying himself and more than a dozen flunkies to the other side of the world to emit even more CO2 pontificating about the “climate crisis”.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:54am
    - david
      
      The perks are more attractive to Greens because it is difficult for the party to tithe them like they do with salaries.
      
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      July 24, 2022 1:03pm
  - coge
    
    Shaw is sporting that wounded lion look. He doesn’t trust Marama either. I think he’s done, should probably move on for his own well being.
    
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    July 24, 2022 12:57pm
- Ultima
  
  Greens melting faster than a floating iceberg. What a bunch of woke whackos.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  Sadly there’s a big constituency of climate nutters out there and the Gweens will still attrct that vote.
  
  As to Shaw, while he may be a “moderating voice” , my view is that he’s simply a wee bit less mad than most of them.
  
  Anyone who thinks we can control the temperature by driving EV’s is by definition a nutter.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Genter, she is the maddest of the mad
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:26am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    She’s got mad eyes
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think the new do-leader should be a rotten fence post from Waikikamukau.
  Green voters with vote Green no matter what. Green voters are saving the planet you know.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:30am
- Flossie
  
  Shaw has been a dead man walking for a long time. He is Male, White, Heterosexual, and he wears a suit. He would have known when the rules re who can be a co-leader were changed that his days were numbered.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:36am
- nathie
  
  This event should not even be happening … because if Shaw had an ounce of integrity and accountability he would have stepped down two years ago after being caught out for corruptly misappropriating taxpayer funds to channel (unsolicited) to that Green School in Taranaki.
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I hope he tells them to stick their Marxist bullshit
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:39am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “a bunch of unelectable Marxist whackos”
  
  It would appear Marxist wackos are quite electable these days.
  
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  July 25, 2022 2:39pm
fernglas

I see that your apparent expert, but in reality a little twerp, Michael Baker is getting air time for suggesting that people travelling to NZ should have a Covid test in the departure lounge, and if they fail they can just delay their flights a little. What a sad and silly little country you live in.
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July 24, 2022 8:07am
- Colville
  
  Can you imagine the cost of changing/rebooking an international flight at zero notice?
  All for what? So New Zealand has 9,999 new cases that day instead of 10,000…??
  Ffs the guy is a twat.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  fernglas – the country is still wonderful as are most of the people. Brenda and her bunch of marxist loons are the ones responsible for the likes of Baker, Plank, Wiles, Hendy, Jackson and the others being dragged out of obscurity and thrust into the limelight as “experts”. These morons would never get air time in any reasonable democratic society.
  
  Liars and frauds, every one of them.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:44am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The country is fine, it’s not in the least bit silly. In fact it’s silly to even suggest that a country can be silly.
  
  The people however, are another matter. The lying hypocritical Baker Boy is a classic example, along with his fellow-traveler, the appalling fake-hair fake-name, no epidemiological qualifications attention-seeking wannabe. You know the one. Mad as cut snakes, the pair of them.
  
  if they mated and had off-spring, would it be one of these?
  
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  July 24, 2022 12:02pm
rouppe

Surely, surely, James Shaw isn’t surprised about this.
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July 24, 2022 8:09am
Paulus

Bye Shaw, the left wing feminist radicals have won the battle BUT not the war.
Swarbrick will not win the Auckland Electorate – not too many students who voted for her.
Will he resign – can get no other income, so no until the election – better MP outgoing package.
Will he lose his Labour quasi Ministeral post (and car).
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July 24, 2022 8:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No he won’t lose his Ministerial post. He is not going anywhere.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:20am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘He is not going anywhere.’
    
    He flew all the way to Scotland to address an empty hall.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:40am
    - Nickc2
      
      With a massive entourage at taxpayer’s expense.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:04am
- RoboRob
  
  Why would he resign. If he can stay high enough in the Green list he can keep sucking at the teat and do even less actual work.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    Imagine if you will the joys of being a white male leader of the Greens, James would have to be a serious masochist to stand again.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      He should tell em he’s had a cut-n-tuck. None of em will query it eh?
      
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      July 24, 2022 12:16pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    If he’s voted out of the leadership role he can be voted down the list
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:51pm
- peterwn
  
  The other Greens could try and drive him out under the Waka Hopper rules, but then Simon Bridges considered that the Waka Hopper law was too vulnerable to appeal when he was considering whether to put the skids under JLR. Simon probably knew the law as formulated was pretty useless but was in no hurry to tell Winston or the Select Committee that at the time.
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:54am
Pineapple Lumps

Masks in Schools Strongly Recommended

So the government is strongly recommending masks be worn by all students for the first 4 weeks of term 3. The reason this is necessary, well teacher sick leave has been 50% higher this year than in 2021.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-teacher-sick-days-up-50-per-cent-on-2021-calls-for-more-support/IPZH5SE3XAX6YORLWL4HMO7DOA/

What a shameful use of statistics to drive an agenda!

No mention that the rules created around Covid, minimum 7 day isolation period, actually artificially inflate absenteeism. We have all experienced this directly or indirectly, where for many Covid has been a very mild illness and normal activity could have been resumed after 2 or 3 days. In my workplace this has resulted in weeks of additional absenteeism over previous years, more than the 50% observed in teachers.

So why are they targeting this at schools and not society at large? Mass conditioning of young minds? Power and social structures making for a higher compliance rate? The majority female workforce more impacted by emotional factors such as fear, protection of the vulnerable etc? Young people powerless to oppose?

And when they say it’s just for 4 weeks, who really believes them? So while the majority of NZers go about life free of masks, our most vulnerable, our children, continue to be subjected to the military grade psychological trauma of mask wearing. Aren’t you proud to live in such a country?
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July 24, 2022 8:20am
- RoboRob
  
  My kids school has had compulsory masks the who time. Almost every week last term they were closed (work from home) at least 1 day. Most weeks it was school for 2 days. Masks did fk all.
  
  I think teachers having the sniffles so staying home screws it up anyway.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:24am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Other factors not referenced that have increased sick leave:
  – sick leave entitlement doubled, from 5 days to 10 days
  – people staying away from work with the slightest sniffle, whether illness or hay fever
  – people who don’t want to be at work exploiting the new rules as much as they can, probably about 2% of my workforce
  
  But surprisingly none of these factored into the Government’s analysis nor the Legacy media’s reporting.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:48am
  - pdm
    
    PLumps – I was told the other day that a casual employee doing only one 4 hour shift a week is entitled to 10 days sick leave.
    
    Is that correct?
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:50am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Not quite – must have worked 10 hours per week on average, at least 1 hour per week and continuously employed for 6 months (which is the same rule for all employees).
      
      Then yes, they are entitled to 10 days sick leave.
      
      https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/sick-leave/sick-leave-entitlements/
      
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      July 24, 2022 12:39pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Maybe, but sick leave can only be taken on the days you are actually scheduled to work. If someone claims sick leave every work day for ten weeks that person would likely get a formal disciplinary hearing well before the ten weeks were over.
      
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      July 24, 2022 1:13pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes, but it’s not 10 full days’ pay. It’s 10 days of his average daily earning over the preceding period.
      
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      July 25, 2022 1:18am
  - Joely Doe
    
    You will find that Covid absence does not count as sick leave for teachers. They can stay at home as often as they want, and it does not count against sick leave entitlements.
    
    If it is confirmed that you have COVID you cannot return to school for the isolation period. This is treated as paid, disregarded sick leave under STCA 6.2.7 (a) (iii) and the ASTCA 5.1.6 (a) (iii).
    
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    July 24, 2022 12:30pm
- JerJer
  
  Mask exemptions for kids are readily available and easy to get. I called MOH as soon as I saw the announcement and got the necessary exemptions within five minutes. I then asked my kid, do you want to wear a mask next term: NO. That’s ok, I got you an exemption: GOOD. That was the end of the conversation.
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:11am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Jer Jer that is an approach. However I’m generally opposed to carrying and showing papers, as it still gives the Mask Stasi power.
    
    The other approach is you teach your kids to be able to say “I’m exempt” , “no I am not required to show you a mask exemption”, “ no I will not tell you why I have a mask exemption, that is my private medical information”, “if you have any more questions please call my parents.”
    
    There is also a need at times to send schools the MOE Bulletins for School Leaders which outlines the rules around questioning mask exemptions. The February edition is excellent as it cautions school leaders on not overstepping.
    
    I agree this is tougher on my children than yours, but real proud of the backbones they have shown through this!
    
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    July 24, 2022 2:04pm
    - JerJer
      
      They won’t be carrying papers. I’ll be emailing the school, telling them the kids are exempt and not to ask them about it. The kid is only 8.
      
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      July 24, 2022 6:09pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Keep up the good fight Jer Jer! Every maskless face is a reminder to those in masks that they are not free.
        
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        July 24, 2022 8:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Pineapple Lumps – 100%. They realise too many adults now know that masks are nothing more than political theatre so they are bullying and abusing our children. They are coercing the schools into doing their dirty work for them. But remember, there is NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT for anyone to wear a mask. This is straight up bullying and it is disgraceful.
  
  Michael Baker was exposed this week as a liar stating on live radio he had never said masks don’t work, ever. This proves he is lying.
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ymw1YXbi1YVZ/
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:27am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Clan – appreciate the good fight you are fighting.
    
    Agree about Baker. The pandemic provides the perfect platform for him to rise to the top. Much like the POW, King Rat, who is dysfunctional in normal society but thrives in the POW camp. King Rat Baker!
    
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    July 24, 2022 2:07pm
- I remember when
  
  “Good morning Principal.”
  “Sorry I didn’t recognise you without your mask on.”
  
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  July 24, 2022 1:56pm
- I remember when
  
  Pineapple Lumps
  If all politicians had to wear masks we would become a lip readers paradise.
  
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  July 24, 2022 2:15pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Bet their election hoardings don’t have them wearing masks!
    
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    July 24, 2022 8:34pm
krazykiwi

El gato malo has a delicious way with words …

if i were a pfizer or modera exec right now, i’d be surfing the southby’s site for buenos aries mansions and making cash offers on someplace with a panic room.

.. and this is respect of politicians

they’d happily promise a missionary in every pot if cannibalism came into vogue and they thought it would win them some swing votes.
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July 24, 2022 8:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Always good value at el gato malo. I loved this meme re “climate change”.
  
  https://tinyurl.com/vazw7uzb
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:31am
NK

I see the WHO has declared Monkey Pox as a global health emergency, with the vote swinging on that of the Chair, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

Have you all woken up to what is happening? You can get angry, or get even, or both. But at least wake the f up from your slumber.
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July 24, 2022 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps we had all better start wearing gloves along with our masks.
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:36am
  - emmess
    
    Saw a hilarious meme
    A side view of a naked guy wearing two masks, one on his face and one on his butt.
    
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    July 24, 2022 8:42am
    - kowtow
      
      Has someone leaked Hunter Biden’s laptop again.
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:46am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    How’s the supply chain for latex?
    
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    July 24, 2022 8:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stuck in a warehouse in Melbourne, same as mask material was//
      
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      July 24, 2022 10:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m doing my bit, Maggy: I’m avoiding gay sex with monkeys for an entire week. You read that right. An entire week.
    
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    July 24, 2022 8:50am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      It’s just the bi-sexual men that are the problem as they I assume will infect women.
      
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      July 24, 2022 8:55am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Potentially Queer men too – there is a difference between being Gay and being Queer, you know…
        
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        July 24, 2022 9:15am
      - oldfella
        
        Bobby: whatcha mean ‘women’? Are you a biologist? //
        
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        July 24, 2022 10:25am
    - MCōs
      
      Auckland Zoo still won’t give you a temporary pass.
      
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      July 24, 2022 8:59am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That’s a start, but it’s your activities with hedgehogs that is the real concern.
      
      https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/veterinarian/monkeypox-in-animals.html#:~:text=Monkeypox%20virus%20can%20infect%20a,of%20animals%20can%20get%20monkeypox.
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:01am
      - Ruahine
        
        Camels are O.K. apparently.
        
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        July 24, 2022 9:07am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Hedgehogs everywhere will be outraged at this virological appropriation. Why is this not Hedgepox? (Carefully sidestepping the awkward cross-species claim on Hogpox)
        
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        July 24, 2022 9:08am
      - David George
        
        Thanks for the link Maggy.
        “it is possible that people who are infected can spread Monkeypox virus to animals through close contact, including petting, cuddling, hugging, kissing, licking, sharing sleeping areas, and sharing food.”
        This is surely animal phobic hate speech.
        
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        July 24, 2022 9:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ruahine,
        Nine out of ten men who have tried camels, prefer women.
        Tee shirt I had, man I got some looks!
        
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        July 24, 2022 10:52am
    - yossarian
      
      So under the presumption then, hetro sex with monkeys is ok?
      
      Asking for a friend
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:09am
      - I remember when
        
        Steve Otto
        I seem to remember that the ‘Camel’ ad said nine out of ten…….
        
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        July 24, 2022 2:22pm
    - O C Smith
      
      Worth a double uptick
      
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      July 24, 2022 9:55pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Maggie Pie sprays suspect carriers with oven cleaner. ☹️
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In my head I am seeing imaged of Jaspinda rubbing her hands together gleefully.
  Why won’t it go away?
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:47am
krazykiwi

Sigh. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has declared the monkeypox outbreak to be a Global Health Emergency™.

Don’t these enthusiastic fearmongers ever tire of trashing their credibility?

Even their token internal democratic system was subverted: Tedros and WHO leadership overruled a panel of advisers who voted against the declaration (9 against, 6 in favour).
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July 24, 2022 8:37am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The article in The Herald said “the director-general declared monkeypox a global emergency to ensure that the world took the current outbreaks seriously”.
  I suspect that what might actually happen is that the world will stop taking the WHO seriously – they can’t keep inflicting the highest level alerts on the world for things that just aren’t that serious without them taking a hit to their credibility (what’s left of it).
  
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  July 24, 2022 8:59am
- MCōs
  
  Every couple of years the WHO declares a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.
  Some have had no practical effect on NZ, but they might have, but elsewhere it’s a lot worse than just an emergency.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:27am
  - David George
    
    “it’s a lot worse than just an emergency”
    What?
    So ” Emergency of International Concern” is actually understating it?
    
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    July 24, 2022 9:55am
    - MCōs
      
      International means two or more nations, not necessarily the entire world.
      More than one of these international emergencies involved Ebola, which never spread to a particularly large number of countries.
      
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      July 24, 2022 2:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  9 against, 6 in favour. Sounds like someone cancelling oil and gas exploration without any advice…
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:56am
greybeard

Apparently there were 7746 reported cases of CV-19 on Friday.
It would be very useful if they also reported the number of those 7746 who (a) were fully “vaccinated” (b) who had never been “vaccinated” and (c) who regularly wore masks.
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July 24, 2022 9:03am
- westernScientist
  
  Why? the data is completely irrelevant. The number of people who even test let alone report a positive result is going to minuscule compered to those who actually get covid, and those un-vaxed are going to be way less likely to than those who are lining up for yet another booster.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:10am
  - greybeard
    
    What I was getting at was the fact that they would be too embarrassed to admit that the so-called anti-Covid measures such as “vaccination” and masks were useless.
    And I , like you and many others, have known for ages that the reported cases are no more than the tip of the iceberg.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But what does “fully vaccinated” mean these days?
  
  Double vaxxed – 6 months ago?
  
  Double vaxxed and boosted 3months ago?
  
  Double vaxxed and double boosted 1 month ago?
  
  Double vaxxed and weekly injected?
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Prof Michael Baker can answer those
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:00am
  - PeeJay
    
    “Double vaxxed and weekly injected” – don’t give them bloody ideas!
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:15am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Where can I get these weekly injections?
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:25am
    - pdm
      
      Try the VD clinic Mikey.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:52am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How has that worked out for you?
        
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        July 24, 2022 3:11pm
    - I remember when
      
      The weakly injected!
      
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      July 24, 2022 2:27pm
- tedbear
  
  It would be very useful also to remind those nutbars who are glued to the daily covid death stats announcements that strange as it may seem, another 100 or so people are dying every single day in NZ and most of those from issues far more deadly than covid.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stop Making Sense.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:01am
  - O C Smith
    
    Perspective is a wonderful thing. Thanks TB.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:04pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’m still waiting for cases to hit 21,000/day (or 18,000 if we all do our bit).
  Actually, cases have gone up quite a bit overseas due to BA.5, so maybe cases will eventually go up here. Is there a point when we declare that the models got it wrong (again) though?
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:14am
  - septic skeptic
    
    My default assumption is that the modelers are always wrong and always working to serve an agenda. At some point I could be persuaded to change that assumption if I saw a modelers forecast had turned out as predicted.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:53am
- krazykiwi
  
  Good questions with narrative-busting answers. The dam of false assertions is sprouting leaks, and Ardern and her fellow travelers will be looking for a passing bus under which some scapegoats can be cast.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t think that would be interesting.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  grey, I am more interested in Lotto numbers than the daily Rona. Also 5 people worldwide have died of/with Monkey Pox and it has been described as ‘mild’.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I would like to know how many died with Covid, and their ages.
  What’s that? Classified data?
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:58am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Well, here is my hypothesis. Generally the number of deaths on any given day are higher than the number in intensive care. The average stay in intensive care must be 10 days minimum (sometimes MUCH longer). So 90% or more of those that died did not get to ICU. Either we are way short of ICU capacity, or 90% of those dying were judged not suitable for ICU care.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nice – 90% judged not going to ICU.
      
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      July 24, 2022 5:28pm
Warren

Orange Tamanki-blunder, mum wrongfully accused of being unfit rejects $50K compo.
I thought this Government were supposed to be the kind and caring Party but instead look to be a bunch of miserable stooges that would rather cover up the truth and offer pittance to hide the facts and pain that this innocent person has had to carry for 20 years.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/oranga-tamariki-blunder-mother-wrongly-accused-of-being-unfit-rejects-50000-compensation-offer/65TLACEI3QDSEXTRTEZJOECURU/
This is absolutely disgraceful and someone needs to be held accountable for the rules put in place for this pittance
of a payment and there need to silence those that have been wronged.
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July 24, 2022 9:07am
westernScientist

an interesting article from an interview with political strategist Mike Turner on the changing landscape of voters, and in particular the rise of a “Luxury Belief Class”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129306045/values-vs-policy-how-a-new-luxury-belief-class-is-changing-politics
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July 24, 2022 9:07am
- kowtow
  
  Interesting , but that “luxury belief class” is exactly what lost Bojo his job. He went along with greenshit from his latest squeeze and alienated hisself from conservative base .
  
  And the well heeled wimmin of the careffully targetted Teal electorates will never be a major force .
  
  The Media Pardy want us to think that climate hysteria is the big concern to the world , well polls consistently show that’s not the case .Climate is a media / elitist issue . The price of bread and petrol is what really counts .
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:03am
JimBobJoe

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/inclusive-campaigning-guidelines

Interesting reading the Platforms reposting of Local Government election guidelines to candidates.

It seems as far as LGNZ is concerned Treaty matters are settled, Maori are in a partnership with Government and we should discuss that or more importantly call complete bs on the partnership line run by our ruling elites in the Government Bureaucracy, the judiciary and Academia (of course supported and enabled by what was formerly an independent 4th estate in the Media)

The ToW is not a partnership agreement – it is an acknowledgement of the Sovereignty of the British Crown in this country. A minority opinion by one Judge in a case does not a partnership agreement make….

This approach of forcing compliance from the top is going to lead to bloodshed in the extreme outcome or mass de-population of the country by those who can think and do guaranteeing NZ turns into a 3rd world hell hole.
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July 24, 2022 9:10am
- nathie
  
  Plus it shows the woke don’t understand traditional Maoridom – if there is to be partnership it won’t be with “Pakeha and Maori”, instead (for the Crown or Pakeha Elites) it will be with Tribal Chiefs (and their immediate families).
  
  Technically for everyone else, including the majority of Maori people themselves, will in essence be second-class citizens and they will NOT be representatives at Govt or Local Govt levels.
  
  They are to be kept in their place due to class and (lack of) status etc.
  
  Is this really what the silly woke want?
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:42am
krazykiwi

DPF, surely there must be some way to fix the broken ‘delete’ function? It has been this way literally for years and must add workload to moderators who need to deal with all the “.” edited posts. Are there any WordPress gurus at KB who could help DPF out?
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July 24, 2022 9:24am
- H. Upmann
  
  WordPress is a pig, well past it’s use-by date.
  
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  July 24, 2022 9:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Someone at Whanganu Intermediate inadvertently leaked the health details and addresses of 600 pupils yesterday.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/23/whanganui-students-details-leaked-in-massive-human-error/

That’s the problem when schools have to rush around reacting to Government edicts in a very short time frame.

However, Education Ministry chief Iona Holsted said on Thursday it had advised schools to enforce the wearing of masks as much as practicable when children returned from holidays next week.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/07/covid-19-new-zealand-death-rate-climbs-to-record-levels.html
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July 24, 2022 9:35am
- MCōs
  
  Deflect the blame onto the government as much as you like, again, there’s no escaping where the real responsibility lies.
  
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  July 24, 2022 5:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You really expect School secretaries to turn up to School on a Saturday Morning to do the Government’s dirty work?
    
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    July 24, 2022 5:14pm
Yvette

Predicted – Ihumātao – déjà vu – like, all over again ..
Miramar Peninsula: Development can’t come before Aotearoa’s history
More than 40 years after the Hīkoi and the occupation of Bastion Point and two years after Ihumātao, Miramar Peninsula represents our continued, wilful ignorance of history
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/miramar-peninsula-development-cant-come-before-aotearoas-history

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Meanwhile, since the Trust sold the land in 2017, New Zealand has changed. What a difference five years and a pandemic make. Aotearoa has come into common usage as the rightful name of this country. RNZ and TVNZ both routinely use the Māori names of cities. Ashley Bloomfield brought the word motu into our living rooms. Record numbers of Aotearoans have learnt or are learning te reo. From the beginning of next year, the country’s history, including war and land grabs, will be taught in our schools. The film Whina, on the 1975 land march of Whina Cooper and Te Rōpū Matakite (Those with foresight), is alerting a new generation to the colonists’ cruel and illegal seizure of Māori whenua.

All this adds up to Aotearoa becoming a country where the history, culture, customs and land rights of Māori are honoured, right? Wrong.
Forty-seven years after the Land March, 44 years after the occupations of the Raglan golf course and Bastion Point, two years after Ihumātao, there is still Shelly Bay/Marukaikuru, still the tired old attempts to downplay the centuries-long occupation of the place by Māori, and the continued and wilful ignorance of history. This includes, for example, that around 100 Taranaki men, inspired by Parihaka’s Te Whiti and arrested for trying to protect their tribal land, were forced to labour in the construction of defence installations. They built a large section of the road, and that those who died are buried there, their spirits permeating the land. There is still the tokenism, with the developer said to be offering a site for a marae. Still the refusal to hear alternative plans, including the proposal of Te Whataitai Design Collective for a heritage park centred on Shelly Bay, with restoration of historic buildings, a centre for iwi history and reforestation with native trees – a place of national pride in one of the capital city’s most glorious landscapes.
Is it time for the Government and the council to buy back this land and use it to benefit all the people of Te Whanganui-a-Tara – and Aotearoa?

How much does “the change in New Zealand since 2017” – lipstick – really address anything of a pig of history?
What is Ardern’s Labour Government actually trying to do
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July 24, 2022 9:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why can’t the legal owners of the land issue trespass notices? If these guys want a ‘heritage park’, they can make a purchase offer to the current owners.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:43am
  - GJM
    
    In theory you could. the problem is the police won’t enforce them, which makes it rather useless.
    
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    July 24, 2022 6:17pm
Tanstaafl

Oh dear, the covid death rate in New Zealand is twice as high as the UK and four times higher than the USA.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11038495/New-Zealand-COVID-19-death-rate-record-levels.html

According to experts quoted in the Daily Mail, Jacinda’s economically-crippling measures only delayed inevitable. So now we have all the problems caused by Covid plus all the economic damage caused by the lockdowns and other government dictates.
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July 24, 2022 9:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  Giving a socialist student politician an unfettered mandate to rule is like giving a P addict a month’s supply and machine gun. NZ chose, and now it must count the cost.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:03am
- Nickc2
  
  A win for Cindy’s Socialist agenda then?
  Winston, a Judge only trial may have cleared your party of electoral fraud but the majority of NZers will forever hold you responsible for the downfall of this once proud Nation by anointing a radical Socialist as its leader who is ably assisted by a bunch of racist elite Maoris.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:48am
- NoFax
  
  Some of us have been saying this for a while now and we were ignored.
  
  The best thing the government should have done back in March 2020 was nothing. Nothing at all.
  
  Only one virus has ever been eradicated and that took almost 200 years after we knew how to cure it.
  
  But the hubris of the government and all those cheered her on have got us to the current position – doubled the national debt and no better off. It’s also clear the so-called vaccines don’t work and not even reduce illness over time.
  
  Ever got the feeling you were cheated?
  
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  July 24, 2022 3:09pm
- Hebe123
  
  I’m interested to know when (perhaps it’s already happened) NZs total,deaths per capita exceeds those of our main comparators….we must be pretty close.
  
  Kk? clan?
  
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  July 24, 2022 7:42pm
kevn

Check out http://www.ttpp.nz and check out the proposed plan especially the part about sites of significance to maori. Te Tai o Putini.
Only 215 of the sites down the West Coast council area.
Hands up who knew about this happening.
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July 24, 2022 10:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What exactly is the problem?
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:40am
  - NK
    
    No problem if you’re Maori and from Ngai Tahu. Major problem if you’re a property owner.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      My point is that kevn provided a link to a district plan with no context around the point he is making. I am not suggesting there is no problem. I just don’t much feel like reading the entire district plan to uncover the issue to which he wishes to draw attention.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:33am
      - NK
        
        Fair enough, the West Coast District Council is, along with other councils, re-writing their district plans and seeking “consultation”. But part of the plan has been imposed without consultation, and that part is putting large areas of land as areas of significance to Maori, meaning you cannot develop them, cannot build on them, cannot do anything with them as a result (in the same way as if they were of heritage or historic significance). As I say, there’s no debate on this, you cannot object – it’s just been implemented.
        
        It’s happening around the country, not just the West Coast.
        
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        July 24, 2022 11:51am
      - kevn
        
        @BY… I get that. Sorry. Bit hard to link just a portion of the doco : ‘sites and areas of significance to maori’.
        Live on a town coastal site? May have been a burial ground or a midden.
        There will be some surprises to come.
        
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        July 24, 2022 12:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Keep an eye on who controls the Westcoast of the South Island
    
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/david-round-the-conservation-issue
    
    Most NZers haven’t got a clue as to what has been happening to our publicly owned land and assets.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:03am
  - kevn
    
    @BY… Live on a hill in ChCh? Might have been a pa site.
    
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    July 24, 2022 11:38am
- NK
  
  My hand is up. But the “happening” is not recent – it started with Doug Graham, from National, and is applauded by luminaries such as Chris Finlayson, and now Chris “te reo” Luxon.
  
  This started 25 years ago. It was a slow creep until the Ardern government came into power in 2017. What is happening on the West Coast is symptmatic of local bodies, and every other body to be fair, having to have regard for mana whenua, te Tiriti and the principles of te Titiri. You’ll note the plan doesn’t even have an English name.
  
  Owen McShane, bless his soul, coined the phrase of Cultural Marxism about 25 years ago. He was spot on. I fear it is so embed now so as to be impossible to overturn.
  
  My profession, the legal profession, is looking at introducing the same thing through its professional rules, where all lawyers must have mandatory te Tiriti and te Reo training every year and the working group put together by our previous Social Justice Warrior, Tiana Epati, has on it a law professor whose specialist area of research is “Decolonisation”. Another member is a high ranking official from Ngai Tahu. They want to introduce into legislation that governs lawyers, as a purpose of the Act, te Tiriti and the principles of the Treaty. As a commercial/banking/finance lawyer, I shall be obliged to consider that when giving advice.
  
  I. Shit. You. Not.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:48am
  - alex Masterley
    
    It is depressing NK.
    I have put in a response to the discussion paper about the future law society.
    On the subject of the Treaty, I have pointed out that this country is now multicultural and definitely not bi-cultural. I doubt that will earn me brownie points from the NZLS.
    Incidentaly I favour complete separation of regulatory from representation which should have been the case right from the get go in 2006 when the current act was put in place.
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:53am
    - NK
      
      Are you going tomorrow night? I am, and will be vocal. I’m not putting up with this sh*t. Please email me: gcenkay68@gmail.com
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:03am
    - NK
      
      Alex, it’s not depressing. We can win this. I have some ideas. But it will require a large number of lawyers paying attention, because most will be too busy running their practices. Jacinta Ruru is relying on this.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:10am
      - kevn
        
        @Alex and NK… Good on you both.
        
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        July 24, 2022 12:11pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Scary stuff!!!
    
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    July 24, 2022 10:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  When Buller and Heaphy did their exploratory trek along the West Coast in 1846, they kept a detailed record of all Maori (both those they encountered and those unsighted that they were told about by other Maori. There were a grand total of 90 Maori on the whole west coast.
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:24am
Maggie Pie

Only just back home from Mass.
I see Twitter has gone bananas over the global outbreak of monkeypox.

Sounds like it’s a jungle out there!
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July 24, 2022 10:01am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, some pe0ple are really going ape shit.
  
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  July 24, 2022 10:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda has ordered some not made yet vaccines.
  Go hard, go early///
  
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  July 24, 2022 11:13am
  - oldfella
    
    Steve, I think ‘going hard’ in the wrong place is part of the problem. //
    
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    July 24, 2022 12:31pm
  - mawm
    
    Maybe just some condoms will do.
    
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    July 24, 2022 12:52pm
- Bluegrass
  
  @ maggiepie Late news, but I only just just got back from the mosque.
  
  I also missed a few things. Like monkeypox. I would have got right onto it here at KB.
  
  But, hey, I was at the mosque.
  
  Sounds like it’s a jungle out there.
  
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  July 26, 2022 11:34pm
Maggie Pie

You will find this very concerning…. WATCH 🙁

Request made under the ‘FREEDOM-OF-INFORMATION-ACT’ in the UK, has them literally responding…

“We know things that if we told the public they wouldn’t want to get vaccinated so we’re NOT GOING TO TELL YOU”

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1550595536683679744
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July 24, 2022 11:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  Our country is filled with red-lining naïvety on this matter. The government DOES NOT have your best interests at heart. Maybe it did a generation or two ago, but complacency on voter’s part has seen this invert.
  
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  July 24, 2022 1:21pm
I remember when

‘Protest brings Southern Motorway to a standstill.’
The numbers may have been a surprise to many and the obvious question is how many where there for specific reasons.
Lack of satisfaction with the government, a desire to exercise their freedom, anarchy, general dissatisfaction or simply to see what it felt like to take part.
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July 24, 2022 11:52am
oldfella

Political correctness has changed everything. People forget that political correctness used to be called spastic gay talk. (Frankie Boyle)
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July 24, 2022 11:54am
Yvette

Auckland motorway protest
More than 1000 people marched in the protest, organised by a group associated with Destiny Church.
Police say they are identifying offenders who walked onto the motorway and committed some driving offences.
Some motorcyclists were riding without helmets, while children were seen riding in the back of utes.
Auckland Central Area Commander Inspector Graeme Anderson said officers have not yet arrested, charged, or summonsed anyone and he would not say how long the process will take.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/24/police-gather-evidence-to-prosecute-motorway-protesters/

Just how are Police now “identifying offenders who walked onto the motorway” apparently illegally? And if it is by photos and video will they only deal with people who displayed their best side to a camera?

And a photo, accompanying the above linked article, shows a Police car fronting the protesters rather than following them, so can that be classified as aiding and abetting illegals acts or just normalising them?
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July 24, 2022 12:41pm
Nickc2

Cindy’s made it onto the World Stage again but this time, she’s been sussed for what she is.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2022/07/22/authoritarian-new-zealand-seeing-record-coronavirus-deaths/
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July 24, 2022 1:37pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Whatever happened to Zero Covid and “I did a little dance”? That all seems like a different era.
  
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  July 24, 2022 1:48pm
  - Nickc2
    
    That’ll never make it into our new-age history curricula eh?
    
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    July 24, 2022 1:53pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  This is an interesting snippet from that post – not attributed:
  
  “New Zealand health officials argued that counting deaths more carefully would move their country down in the global fatality rate rankings.”
  
  How convenient.
  
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  July 24, 2022 2:03pm
  - emmess
    
    To be fair that is correct, they still count a death as any death within a month of a positive test, which is absolute BS, as it is not much higher than than the amount of people that would die in any given month anyway,
    But they were perfectly okay with that when it suit their agenda.
    Remember, the murder victim in Henderson who didn’t even know he had corona but was tested after he was pronounce dead.
    
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    July 24, 2022 2:14pm
- mandk
  
  It is now indisputable that all Ardern’s covid management response achieved was to delay the onset.
  
  So, huge cost and no real benefit to show for it.
  
  As it’s Sunday, I’ll be charitable and say that Ardern and her ministers mean well but, by golly, never did a more inept rabble sit round a cabinet table.
  
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  July 24, 2022 3:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Where is the client list?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0e7BILRox8
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July 24, 2022 1:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  3 or more now – may have their names in the list?
  Yup, there are some even here in NZ. Think back off Govt people in jail or sort of just gone – no trace
  
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  July 24, 2022 5:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://rumble.com/v1clg55-obamas-doctor-reveals-what-obama-told-him-after-quesitoning-bidens-cognitiv.html?
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July 24, 2022 1:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Biden’s growing senility always reminds me of this scene from the west wing:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD4zBLvcTxY
  
  There has been a quiet, but clear coup in the USA
  
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  July 24, 2022 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

And if any further proofs required that Inflation in this country is running at 3 TIMES what Labor would have you believe….here it is!

Went up to NW earlier to get some of their fresh made Chelsea Buns.
They’ve been selling a 4pk up until last week @ $4.50.
Today….$5.49 !!

That’s a 22% increase in anyone’s money.
So where does Robbo come up with his 7.3% ?
Lying little toad.
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July 24, 2022 2:02pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s a long time since I’ve bought Chelsea buns or indeed any precooked food from a supermarket kitchen.
  In that respect I admire the taste of the beggar who hangs around outside the Mangere Bridge supermarket. The other day some Good Samaritan had given him a sticky bun they’d bought within. He waited until their back was turned and promptly chucked it to some seagulls.
  
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  July 24, 2022 5:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner’s is another that gets some joy helping those less fortunate.
    Whenever she heads into the city, she drops all her previous months My-Food-Bag recipe cards into the City Mission.
    She was saying it means all the deros that go there, can buy the ingredients elsewhere for half the cost and cook it on their little fires.
    
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    July 24, 2022 5:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Has your partner transitioned or does he just play around with his pronouns?
      
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      July 24, 2022 6:24pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        * mum * (lol)
        skinny-fingers 😀
        
        I only ever use 2 pronouns….she/her, OR him/his
        
        My partner is the same, he just uses 2 as well….. it, OR that thing.
        
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        July 24, 2022 6:58pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        He calls you ‘that thing’? 🙁
        
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        July 24, 2022 7:03pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Only when he’s talking about me to his mates.
        Never to my face.
        
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        July 24, 2022 7:08pm
Yvette

■ Health NZ Te Whatu Ora is developing a national ‘data warehouse’ for New Zealanders’ primary care information – a tool it hopes will cut out the middle-person and help it talk direct to patients in crises like this month’s drug shortages.
… Campbell reveals that Te Whatu Ora is developing a central store of patient information, which it plans to have up and online from late 2023. “Our team is working on a national primary care data warehouse which might be capable of direct contact if that was appropriate.”
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/national-database-will-reach-patients-in-drug-shortages-but-no-magic-pill

Two senior Cabinet Ministers have slammed the Ministry of Health for dragging the chain on releasing individual Māori data to the Whānau Ora Commissioning Agency. And now the dispute is headed back to court
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-ministers-slam-bloomfields-refusal

■ The agency’s chief executive John Tamihere took the case to the High Court.
On November 1 it ruled the ministry needed to reconsider its decision not to release the data.
https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/news/ministry-health-defends-legal-cost-battle-over-maori-vaccination-data

■ The information of around 600 students at Whanganui Intermediate school has been leaked, in what’s being described as a “massive human error”.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/23/whanganui-students-details-leaked-in-massive-human-error/

“Te Whatu Ora is developing a central store of patient information, which it plans to have up and online from late 2023”, so what happened to the Doctor / patient confidentiality we all thought we had in seeing a GP up until how?
Big Sister is looking after you?

And, only slightly removed, assuming they won’t have my entire medical records, which are a considerable tome, but seeing I am on a particular medication that is for epilepsy, anxiety, or chronic nerve pain – will they know for which malaise it is prescribed?
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July 24, 2022 2:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So where does Robbo come up with his 7.3% ?

Easy peasy… it’s the new accounting:

Step one: Add your new price integers

$5.49 = 5 +4 + 9 = 18

Step 2: subtract larger integer from the smaller:
8-1 = 7… and call it approx inflation % 7%

Step 3: To calculate accurate inflation of chelsea buns…. eat one and count those remaining (3)….

Hence cost of living increase of pack of chelsea buns is 7.3%.
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July 24, 2022 2:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That clever Math works LOL LOL.
  
  For some.
  
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  July 24, 2022 5:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’d hate to think that 20 years of publicly-funded education had been wasted on me.
    
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    July 24, 2022 6:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone awaiting public health surgery?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2207/S00156/surgical-wait-list-doubles-in-10-months.htm
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July 24, 2022 2:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep. Rotor cuff left, and Ulnar nerve both elbows.
  70 soon so I have to hang around for a while
  
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  July 24, 2022 5:48pm
Warren

Police gather evidence to prosecute motorway protesters.
For fucks sake the can’t even stop ram raids and gang shootings but are prepared to charge protesters that want rid of this corrupt Labour Government and their out of touch Leader and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/24/police-gather-evidence-to-prosecute-motorway-protesters/
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July 24, 2022 2:52pm
- gump
  
  I’d be entirely comfortable with Brian Tamaki going to jail for organising disruptive protests. Just as I would be for any other clown protest organiser.
  
  He has well and truly earned his nickname “Pastor of Muppets”. Some prison time would be helpful.
  
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  July 24, 2022 4:58pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    And of course Gump that was your position when 1981 Tour protestors disrupted streets and motorways?
    
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    July 24, 2022 6:37pm
    - gump
      
      I believe that the Police acted appropriately during the 1981 Springbok Tour, and that the ugly confrontation could have been avoided if the National Government had the moral courage to stop the tour before it began.
      
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      July 24, 2022 11:07pm
      - Hebe123
        
        I see that the freedoms and rights coalition, on its FB page, has released all the details of its comms with Police (including naming the officer in charge) in organising this peaceful protest, including the motorway part. They thanked the police for being so great to work with. Interesting.
        
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        July 25, 2022 8:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Bishop Tamaki lost 7kg in 10 days when he was last imprisoned.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-destiny-church-founder-brian-tamaki-on-prison-time-in-solitary-confinement/Y67ING3RSGSBRPIXLC4J246USQ/
    
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    July 24, 2022 7:24pm
Maggie Pie

Oh FFS!!

I went to post a reply earlier to a nasty little Tweet that ‘SiouxieW’ tweeted, where she accused NewstalkZB….. of undermining and harming her.

Then I see she’s BLOCKED me!!

Does that make me good person?
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July 24, 2022 4:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, someone sure knows how to organise a media campaign in a very short time.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018850576/criticism-of-mini-doco-funding-hits-a-dead-end
  
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  July 24, 2022 4:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And I now see they’re calling for Jason Wall’s head!
    
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    July 24, 2022 4:58pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Good work getting blocked. Pink hair is an employee from h*ll I gather, litigious.
  A sure sign of problems. Avoid. Unless you are going to the beach…
  
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  July 24, 2022 5:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Swimming is not ‘swimming’ knee deep – fall over it is swimming.
    The pink terror
    
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    July 24, 2022 5:52pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    What was the outcome of the Hendy & Wiles v University if Auckland case in the Emploment Court?
    
    I suspect with it having gone quiet since Christmas that it was a confidential out of court settlement. Has anyone here heard?
    
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    July 24, 2022 7:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wear another badge
  
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  July 24, 2022 5:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Badge of Honour
  
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  July 25, 2022 9:11am
gump

D-Day vet begs to die: ‘Life is just absolutely miserable’

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129306101/dday-vet-begs-to-die-life-is-just-absolutely-miserable

An honoured veteran is being kept alive – against his will and in constant pain – by cruel Christians and their cult of suffering.
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July 24, 2022 4:50pm
Yvette

Since I would like to help Police in identifying offenders from yesterday’s Auckland motorway protest, in the photograph Newhub captions “Protesters block the motorway. Photo credit: Newshub”. is that not PM Jacinda Ardern, dressed in black and taking a selfie?

photo –
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/07/police-anticipate-multiple-prosecutions-after-freedom-and-rights-coalition-protesters-shut-down-auckland-motorway.html
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July 24, 2022 4:52pm
wilderbeast

I suspect I’m late to the party, but this Michael Laws / Meng Foon interview is worth a listen:

https://youtu.be/YXxDUhCJMX8

I was gobsmacked by Foon. Issuing guidance to prospective LG candidates that is plainly political and having no idea what he’s even done. Laws was kind, but you can hear his astonishment in the tone of his voice. I really fear for our future.
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July 24, 2022 6:13pm
Chris Nisbet

Big sigh. TVNZ news tells me that a potential ‘fix’ for the disgrace that is 3 Waters would be to make it _2_ Waters.
No mention of the bit that most people probably have the biggest problem with – that it pretty much hands control of water to Maori, whether we like it or not (we don’t).
IOW, it’s fricken racist.
Nanaia argues that water services in NZ are in dire straits and ‘something needs to be done’. Maybe she’s right in some cases. Where she goes horribly wrong is making the massive leap that because ‘something needs to be done’ in some places, Maori need to have control of it all. There are many other options we could take before we go to full-on race-based idiocy.
If The Treaty really does indicate that Maori are partners with the rest of us (it doesn’t), that might be the best reason yet for tossing it in the bin – NZ should not be a place divided by race.
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July 24, 2022 6:33pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Agree. The it argument is “it’s needs fixed”. But they’ve never been able to answer a very simple question “so where does co-governance come in?”
  
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  July 24, 2022 7:14pm
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/129177577/sport-and-spirituality-tenwicket-spin-star-ajaz-patel-hails-crickets-respect-for-his-muslim-faith
What are Ajaz Patel’s views on any homosexual team mates ?
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