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Maggie's partner

Jacinda Ardern announces plans to replace Ian Foster with Adrian Orr, and replace Adrian Orr with Ian Foster, thus ensuring that domestic inflation sinks down the global rankings, and that the All Blacks can focus on climate change rather than their original role of winning games
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July 20, 2022 11:40am
- Ra Henare
  
  Had lunch with my Russian Doctor friend (whilst travelling in Asia).
  Interesting to get a different view from the Western Propaganda flooding NZ media re Ukraine/Russia in General.
  
  I wont bother to regurgitate all. But a couple of interesting comments.
  Russia is firmly behind Putin!!
  Cost of living in Russia is down because of real cheap energy
  Most younger Russians have VPN and can access any Internet content.
  Many Russians moving from Facebook and its censorship to the Chinese Weechat
  They love that McDonalds, KFC and Starbucks have gone 🙂
  
  PS. he is in his mid/late 30s and has Doctored in Russia, Germany, Vietnam and Cambodia.
  
  Very fluent in English. Reads lots of English language literature both medical and non medical.
  
  Some quaint ideas about life, but then again many 40ish Kiwis have similar quaint ideas. (I fathered 2 of them 🙂
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:12pm
Manu-Rau

Can anyone who has access to the (paywalled) poll results in today’s Herald please post them here? Just the numbers would be great. I’m not overly interested in what the ‘journalist’ has to say about them.
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July 20, 2022 11:42am
- kowtow
  
  If you are referring to their “premium” story headlined ‘Poll Nat support with women increases overtaking labour’
  
  Then it is just a Thomas Coughlan rehash of the recent TPU Curia poll for july 3 to 10 which puts the Nats at 37 , lab 34.7 , Act 10 , gr 8.5 and TMP at 3.7 giving them 5 seats.
  
  The story is really about a leak Coughlan claims from the poll that shows that support for the nats is actually up 1% among persons with vaginas and did not tumble with the RvW hype.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:38pm
- marcw
  
  Essentially it’s a regurgitated look at the recently reported Curia poll for the Taxpayers Union.
  
  The key exert related to the headline is probably this:
  ” Luxon polled 22.4 per cent as preferred prime minister, netting just over half the support of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who scored 41.2 per cent, up 1.5 points.
  
  But leaked polling data from the same poll, which splits the response by gender, shows that National’s support edged up amongst women in July.
  
  The increase, of just 1 point, is not itself significant and well within the margin of error. What is more notable is that National’s party support among women did not tumble with Luxon’s preferred prime minister polling.”
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:57pm
Biscuit

8:00 AM, eh?

There’s a lucrative job waiting for you at Jacinda’s Airbrushing History Department, Kokila!

Hope all is well with you and yours…
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July 20, 2022 11:43am
- pdm
  
  I was like Roger Twose – waiting, waiting, waiting. lol.
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:27pm
Tony Stuart

Better late than never, I guess 😀

Anyway, it seems that Kieran McAnulty, recently elevated to Associate Local Government Minister, has become the face of Three Waters for Labour.

Given McAnulty’s former occupation as a bookie for the TAB, isn’t this a bit of a gamble for the government?
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July 20, 2022 11:43am
- Biscuit
  
  Tony, dunno if you are a gambler or not but you should never refer to the NZ TAB mob as ‘bookies’.
  
  Bookies frame markets.
  
  The NZ TAB waits till overseas markets get set and then offer NZ punters the same odds but with a margin, say 5%, taken out…
  
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  July 20, 2022 11:46am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – Biscuit knows these things.
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:28pm
- Tricati
  
  Heard McAnulty on the radio this morning, spinning like a top that the latest money to local councils is not a bribe. What was annoying, the interviewer never asked him to explain the co-governance aspect and how that worked, and the impact on local councils to use their assets to raise money to avoid rate rises.
  Labour are working overtime to avoid discussing the co-governance aspect of this sham, but it ain’t going away.
  
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  July 20, 2022 11:50am
  - pdm
    
    Tri – I heard Jacinda telling Jamie McKay that there was no Co Governance and Councils would still own the assets through the four regional bodies.
    
    Then she slipped up and said something along the lines that Manua Whenua would prioritise decision making.
    
    She who speaks with forked tongue!!!!
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:32pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    use their assets to raise money to avoid rate rises
    
    Just curious – how does that work? Raising money involves sale or debt …. using debt to avoid rates rises is sort of just kicking the can down the road.
    
    Whixh bit am I missing?
    
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    July 20, 2022 5:50pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Seems a bit odd. It seems to imply that council infrastructure assets are an essential secutity for borrowing.
      
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      July 20, 2022 5:58pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Ian good question along with how can a council retain ownership if the asset is “transferred to a new entity, and who is raising what debt & for what?
      
      Sounds like they have angled themselves in their own deceit.
      
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      July 20, 2022 8:56pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/471321/uniquely-challenging-time-for-local-government-prime-minister
    
    https://www.bannedbylgnz.nz/
    
    Join the dots.
    
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    July 20, 2022 8:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, I listened to him being interviewed this morning, where he was definitely sticking to the rail (singing from the Mahuta Corp Hymn Sheet).
  TBH, I can’t for the life of me see how this debacle can proceed. If Cindy has any illusions of being re-elected, surely she’s got to put an end to this.
  Then again, it could be the threat of her Maori Caucus walking to the cross benches that are keeping 3Waters alive.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:02pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Outing and end to it now shows how bloody tone deaf they are.
    
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    July 20, 2022 12:59pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Kiran McNaughty is the voice of Rural NZ. Farmers (aka traitors who voted Labour last election) will listen to anything McNaughty says. So he can persuade all to accept Three waters.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:54pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Catch cry from what I am hearing from rural NZ is vote Nats yo keep the greens out, take that with a grain of salt, but they know what they did wrong last time, do not expect any stupid voting from farmers this time
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:10pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      It was never the farmers. It was simply the no hopers that live in small rural towns that spend all their time smoking weed etc and who don’t vote but who turned up for the weed vote last time.
      
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      July 20, 2022 1:57pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Agreed, possibly farmers wives as well
        
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        July 20, 2022 11:20pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Judging by the fire storm on the radio after he spoke, he will be sent packing like an old horse to the knackers yard, pun for Cinders as well
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:57pm
- Scott
  
  Tony, to me Kieran is a bit of a mystery. People say he’s a nice bloke. He tries to look after his constituents. He goes to church.
  But! He’s full of woke ideology and let’s face it 3 Waters is woke to the max.
  And he’s Jacinda’s blue eyed boy. Has there been more of an adoring sycophant than MacAnulty staring adoringly at Jacinda as she gives a speech?
  
  So he’s all in for 3 waters. One can only hope the good people of the Wairarapa will join me in voting him out in 2023 and give him the opportunity of resuming his career in sports betting.
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:38pm
gravedodger

Is that the time already//
Easily confused//
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July 20, 2022 11:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC the drama queen in handcuffs?
What is it with these crazy lefties?
https://dailypatriotreport.com/watch-aoc-pretends-to-be-in-handcuffs-while-being-arrested-outside-supreme-court/
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July 20, 2022 11:46am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Ohmer did the same thing as well apparently.
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes and she tried to blame the gOP , she said I fist pumped that would be silly, but her snd Omar did it, Omar was not ever being escorted by police
  
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  July 20, 2022 11:22pm
Don Beckett

Yesterday in GD there was a section where “Climate Change” alias Global Warming Disaster was discussed. It was claimed by – in particular Wayne Mapp, who has drunk the Koolaid of “Climate Emergency/Disaster” claiming that there had NEVER been such temperatures in Britain & Europe.
Tony Heller gives evidence from government charts and newspaper article to debunk Wayne’s claims. I know Milkey & a few others have also bought into the climate emergency. Anyway, here’s Tony Heller’s evidence of the falsity of the Climate Emergency lie.
https://realclimatescience.com/2022/07/100-degrees-in-london-2/
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July 20, 2022 11:50am
- kowtow
  
  The heat wave was caused by an oceanic weather system called the Azores High , combined with winds from Africa led to the heat. Not CO2 . In all their ‘reporting’ you see little if no mention of the true causes of these weather events.
  
  I note that prior to the big melt day the UK Met Office models were forcasting 43 C , well it got nowhere near that .
  
  So much for the expert models , both weather and wuflu.
  
  Trust in institutions will erode even more rapidly as people wake up to the constant lies , mis/disinformation, hyperbole and activism.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, a natural phenomenon, just like a northerly rain down here creates 3 days heavy rain and floods, always has always will
    
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    July 20, 2022 11:23pm
- All_on_Red
  
  So we have a new Record of 40.2 C
  This was achieved at Heathrow Airport.
  Look at the this article to see where the Stevenson Temperature Screen is located.
  Right in the middle of Runways with Jets spewing hot exhausts going by.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44980493
  Talk about classic Urban Heat Island Effect.
  Yet the dissembling, disingenuous Liars NEVER mention issues like this.
  So, meh, to the new record.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:21pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    One assumes that this sensor has “always” been there and subject to the same influences. So it’s not totally unreasonable to call this highest ever reading a record ….
    
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    July 20, 2022 12:36pm
    - Spam
      
      Yeah – because they had build an airport with lots of tarmac before the industrial revolution, because they were visionaries?
      
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      July 20, 2022 12:39pm
    - Cassandra
      
      The highest ever reading at that part of Heathrow? First temperature reading there was 20 years ago? 30? Be interesting to see a graph. But meaningless in terms of UK’s climate policy. But what’s the question? Is it “Is the climate changing?” (To which the answer is “Always”) or should it be “What is causing the climate to change?”. If the answer to that is extra CO2 from xyz then we should look at xyz. Until then do not spend any money!
      
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      July 20, 2022 12:49pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yes it has been there a long time but not subject to the same influences.
      Over the years more concrete has been added as the Airport grew. More planes taxiing by and taking off.
      Urban Heat Island Effect is real and adds several degrees. Heathrow has form for this
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/18/heathrow-hijinks/
      I recall seeing one site in Iceland.
      Originally in a field next to a runway, its ended up facing the back of Jets as they waited to take off and surrounded by tarmac for car parking. You could see the hot exhaust blowing towards it.
      Sure enough, temps increased.
      Then there is the other problem. These Thermometers are not digital. They are read manually. Read about Metrology. The measurement error from MK1 Eyeball measuring is far beyond the joke point this and point that they claim things have risen by.
      TLDR version: no reading from a Stevenson Screen is really that accurate due to heat influences and human error caused by a lack of consistency in reading them.
      
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      July 20, 2022 12:49pm
  - I remember when
    
    When the UK experienced over 32 C for 15 straight days during a TEN-WEEK heatwave in the Summer of 1976:
    That was 46 years ago when the world population was said to be 4.135 billion.
    It is said it will reach 8 Billion in Mid-November.
    London’s population was 7,048,000 and is now 9,541,000.
    The UHI can cause London to be up to 10 C warmer than neighbouring rural areas.
    On average, the night-time temperature is approximately 4C higher in the city centre.
    
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    July 20, 2022 12:48pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      35.9C in 1976 actually
      
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      July 20, 2022 12:59pm
      - pdm
        
        The UK must have been pretty warm when vegetables were grown on Greenland.
        
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        July 20, 2022 1:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        They still do grow veges in Greenland and farm there, in Southern Greenland, not in the areas further north where the Vikings used to farm back around the 10th, 11th, & 12 centuries. They had to evacuate much of their farms due to the onset of the mini ice age that started – I believe – in the 13th.C.
        
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        July 20, 2022 1:43pm
      - pdm
        
        Thanks DB.
        
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        July 20, 2022 1:47pm
    - surfing
      
      Do you actually have a point? Other than the temperature in 2022 is higher than in 1976?
      
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      July 20, 2022 1:28pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        No, surfing. The 1976 15-day average temperature was 35.9C. There is no data to suggest that 2022 has a higher average, neither is there information on the 1976 average may have been calculated, ie was the daily average sampled, or was the daily maximum sampled? It make a difference.
        
        Anyhow, what point were you trying to make? Hint: It helps if you arrange words into meaningful sentences.
        
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        July 20, 2022 2:28pm
  - surfing
    
    Did you even view the photo? The station is not at all in the ‘middle’ of runways. The station is in a grassed area on the northern border of the airport land. It looks to be closer to the public road than any runway.
    
    And, from YOUR OWN LINK which you either did not read or are purposefully spinning misinformation…
    “Planes make a negligible difference,” says Professor Williams.
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:27pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Dont be a pedant- just because you don’t like the facts.
      Its in the middle on the side of one runway and next to a whole lot of Concrete buildings which also radiate heat.
      Or are you claiming Urban Heat Island Effect doesn’t exist.
      And the good Professor would say that wouldn’t he.
      Plenty else there and elsewhere to prove him wrong. Read that article from 2015.
      You’re the guy who thinks the temp is going up by 3-6degrees and sea levels a meter by 2100 aren’t you? I’ve read your shit before.
      
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      July 20, 2022 2:12pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        This NOAA-supported paper in the Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology is relevant: Impacts of Small-Scale Urban Encroachment on Air Temperature Observations
        
        In summary, the field experiment supports the recommendation that air temperature observations sites should be located over 100 m from artificial heat sources, which is in line with WMO recommendations (Leroy 1998; WMO 2014).
        
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        July 20, 2022 2:22pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Mis leading Climate reports from TV3 and Niwa sourced Graphics. ( enough to turn you epileptic with all the colouring in going on along with none Meteorological terms.)
  Climate change is the Real Frontier on misleading Statistics and graphs.
  https://www.gbnews.uk/news/bbc-climate-editor-found-to-have-made-misleading-claims-on-climate-change-and-weather-on-panorama/290718
  Why can it not be called the Weather !
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi is a big time crook – and she gets away with it. Any Republican would be dragged through the coals.
https://dailypol.com/nancy-pelosi-cant-deny-her-insider-trading-status/
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July 20, 2022 11:52am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, Makes Bernie Madoff look like an amateur.
  
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  July 20, 2022 11:54am
  - mawm
    
    There is an App that tracks the Pelosi’s trading. Apparently it out performs the best of the best and many are using it to guide them.
    
    Imagine a system that allows the law makers to write laws that allow them to get away with what are crimes for others. It’s almost as bad as politicians voting their own salary increases and allocating themselves perks.
    
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    July 20, 2022 3:13pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Is there a tracker fund open to the public?
      
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      July 20, 2022 5:15pm
- MCōs
  
  You’re like a broken record, Steve.
  At various times Hilary, Fauci, Biden, Pelosi are senile, old, crooked, paediphiles, thieves . . . Whatever
  At the same time Trump, is viral, honest, calm, and he sings well too.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:42pm
  - Taieri
    
    At various times Hilary, Fauci, Biden, Pelosi are senile, old, crooked
    ————–
    
    Are they not?
    
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    July 20, 2022 12:53pm
    - MCōs
      
      . . . . . . as Steve tells us on an almost daily basis so we don’t forget, I suppose.
      
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      July 20, 2022 2:05pm
  - RichardX
    
    Steve just repeats what he reads elsewhere.
    It is conveniently emailed to him so he doesn’t have to bother with anything as difficult as testing the veracity or thinking for himself.
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:55pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Ironically, despite seeming to condemn insider trading, he is a great fan of Elon Musk as well.
      
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      July 20, 2022 3:15pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Trump is a dickhead.
    Hillary is corrupt and frankly evil (threatening all the women her husband has assaulted).
    Biden is corrupt, probably senile and according to his own son, a paedophile.
    Pelosi is obviously corrupt (but hasn’t actually broken insider trading laws because of a loophole) – and she elbowed a small Mexican American child.
    
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    July 20, 2022 2:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sad Mac
    
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    July 20, 2022 4:58pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJEvCWLWOno

Uprisings in the Fourth Reich.

Europe is literally blowing up; mass uprisings are surging across the continent as the permanent political class is beginning to fall; we’re going to take a look at what’s behind these uprisings, we’re going to see how the legacy media has begun to panic, and make sure to stick with me to the very end of this video when we’ll find out why all of this is only just the beginning. [12:09]
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July 20, 2022 11:54am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znLhDtiaCCM
The Moment Experts Feared JUST Happened.

Just days after President Biden’s Middle East visit, a spokesman for the Ayatollah just warned the whole world that Iran – the world’s number one state sponsor of terrorism – now has the capability to build a nuclear bomb. But don’t worry, because according to the statement, Iran hasn’t decided if it’s going to build one . . . yet. The ominous announcement came yesterday from Kamal Kharrazi, advisor to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who said: “In a few days, we were able to enrich uranium up to 60% and we can easily produce 90% enriched uranium . . . Iran has the technical means to produce a nuclear bomb but there has been no decision by Iran to build one.” [3:21]
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July 20, 2022 11:55am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  If Iran actually managed to build a nuclear bomb what could they use it for?
  
  Iran does not have the ability to deliver a nuclear bomb via a missile system.
  
  Israel could blow them back into the stone age if Israel got attacked.
  
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  July 20, 2022 8:14pm
Maggie Pie

This changes everything!

Merriam-Webster have changed the definition of the word ‘girl’

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1549382790952656899

I wonder what Webster would think?
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July 20, 2022 11:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chooks lay eggs – Roosters don’t.
  Some of the nutbars better check where the roosters are
  
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  July 20, 2022 5:02pm
curry4me

Freedom and Rights March. Christchurch

The next one is on Saturday July 23rd. Assemble at the Bridge of Remembrance at 10:00.
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July 20, 2022 11:57am
- MCōs
  
  Include me out of that herd of bedraggled sheep.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:52pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    A bit insulting too, choosing to gather at a site dedicated to the memory of people who made actual sacrifices for their families, friends and country.
    
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    July 20, 2022 3:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick sonny, you will be there right?
      The one wearing all Red, and a red MAGA Hat to make sure you are really a DJT supporter.
      Good onya Mike!
      
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      July 20, 2022 5:07pm
    - Hebe123
      
      Appropriate to gather in a place that commemorates people that fought for the freedom we are giving away.
      
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      July 20, 2022 6:21pm
Yvette

Tit for tat – if you can still say that –
Luxon, who is pro-life, assured Kiwis the abortion laws wouldn’t be changed if National gets in power, but he stood by his previous comments on abortion.
The National leader was criticised by Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson who called on him to make his view on abortion clear, pointing to Luxon’s 2021 comment that he believes it is tantamount to murder.

“Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson who called on him to make his view on abortion clear” – so, “tit for tat” – an equivalent given in return. – will Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson explain why he and Ardern are elevating Maori elite to control so much of the nation’s oversight – beyond both their population portion, and the level their people occupy at the bottom of nearly every social statistic. If te Ao o Maori is so effective, why have the elite not raised their brothers and sisters and families to a level that warrants any confidence in the role that Grant and Jacinda appear to give Maori?

Luxon’s statement is that abortion law is done and dusted. An American decision really has nothing to do with abortion rather than apparently returning to what the Constitution actually stands for as written, and states need to make abortion law.
But Robertson here is changing the meaning of the Treaty of Waitangi – that is the relevance to us of the United States Supreme Court change. They are returning to their actual funding document, while Grant, Jacinda, Willie, Kelvin and Nania are fucking around with the New Zealand’s “founding document” – badly written real estate agreement that it is.

Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson has called on Christopher Luxon to make his view on abortion clear, now let Robertson make his and Ardern’s end game with Maori clear.
“Tit for tat” Yes? No! – I thought so
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July 20, 2022 12:00pm
- Yvette
  
  And
  This morning’s Newshub headline – Willis says changing abortion laws would be ‘dealbreaker’, trusts Luxon’s assurances Nats won’t
  Does that only give more credence to the Trumped up wedge that Labour, with the help of Media, attempt to hammer into National?
  
  Shouldn’t National bluntly say “Forget playing Party games, and tell us more how ‘3 Waters’ will really work.
  You will form four entities, greater than individual councils, so you can borrow more money, but that will still have to be paid back, with interest, so when do you envisage that happening?”
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:03pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Straight forward question to Cindy/Robertson: Why are you gifting NZ’s water and all its associated Ratepayer-owned systems to Maori?
    
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    July 20, 2022 12:57pm
    - curry4me
      
      Its going to the maori elite not Maori in general.
      
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      July 20, 2022 5:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

As a compliant law-abiding citizen, I have just undertaken my day 5 RAT test after returning to NZ.

The RAT test kit is a nifty little chromatography lab…but sooooooo much plastic….. now consigned to the waste bin.
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July 20, 2022 12:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There is a lot of action at Whenuapai this morning. Wonder what is going on?
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July 20, 2022 12:04pm
- rangitoto
  
  Taxinda defecting to China?
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:05pm
- Biscuit
  
  Boys Day Out for the gangs, Steve!
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

As I suspected Bryce Edwards’ opinion piece on the causes of NZ’s high inflation/cost-of-living crisis disappeared from the visible sections of the NZ Herald website within a couple of hours last night.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-how-much-of-our-cost-of-living-crisis-is-due-to-incompetence/5ETY6CXQMDUCTA6EM2GJYAI2T4/
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July 20, 2022 12:12pm
- Matt Long
  
  Edwards will be off the Christmas card and commentator for TVNZ list I would think.
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:52pm
  - pdm
    
    No wedding invite either.
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:39pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Is the wedding still on????
      
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      July 20, 2022 1:54pm
surfing

https://www.national.org.nz/national-pledges-three-waters-repeal-return

The next National Government will repeal Labour’s Three Waters entity model and return any seized water assets back to councils, Leader of the Opposition Judith Collins says.

Jacinda is going to be turfed at the next election, so three waters will be gone!
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July 20, 2022 12:12pm
- Philview
  
  The problem is that the Left will arrange massive demonstrations and the media will be screaming the 2nd coming of Hitler and next thing National bottle it. I hope National have the fortitude to reverse this.
  
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  July 20, 2022 2:44pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    You can count on the fact that it will be too difficult to return any money disbursed to councils …
    
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    July 20, 2022 5:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  ‘Judith Collins says’…
  
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  July 20, 2022 5:53pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is still an MP , is she not allowed to say a thing?
    
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    July 20, 2022 11:30pm
All_on_Red

Just for SteveO
‘The location of President Joe Biden’s bicycle fall last month in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, has been listed as a historical landmark on Google Maps named “Brandon Falls.”

The name is a reference to the “Let’s Go Brandon” chant that is often used to mock the president.’
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/brandon-falls-delaware-landmark-named-biden-bike-fall.
Lol
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July 20, 2022 12:13pm
- Nickc2
  
  Love it!
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, oh dear..

It looks like NZ produces loads of teachers who haven’t got a clue about how to teach their pupils to read and write and do sums.

He said teachers are being given out-of-date tools and there’s no standard rules for how things are taught across the country.

“There are modern up-to-date reading programmes… These are up-to-date evidence-based practices that do achieve results but sadly right now, most schools in New Zealand are not using that approach because their teachers haven’t been equipped to use that approach.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/07/experts-say-nz-children-are-facing-school-postcode-lottery-neurodivergent-kids-at-most-risk-after-shocking-ncea-pilot-results.html
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July 20, 2022 12:25pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Ok, so I went to primary school from 1947 to 1954. I think I can read pretty well and do sums pretty well also, and have been able to since standard 4, and form 2. It was a good basis for my secondary education in the 1950’s – from 1955 to 1959 with all the attendant qualifications – School C, UE, and 5th year in Oz with NSW Leaving Cert – almost USchol.
  So what has happened to the education system since then, when year 12 students leave school without basic comprehension & maths skills?
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:43pm
  - Nickc2
    
    So what has happened to the education system since then?
    NZ trained and unionised teachers with no accountability whatsoever!
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:06pm
    - mawm
      
      And in all likelihood Don’s parents sat with him after school and helped him to learn to read. I doubt that happens in more than 50% of families now.
      
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      July 20, 2022 3:22pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Literacy education was squeezed out by more important things like kapa haka, applied wokeology and treaty studies.
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:19pm
  - kevn
    
    @Don… 20% of the education curriculum consists of maori stuff.
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:32pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Don, remember too that the Labour Party Maori Caucus, very good at enriching themselves and the senior Maori elite, can’t even get the average Maori Mum and Dad to ensure their children even GET to school to gain the basic comprehension and maths skills you cite.
    
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    July 20, 2022 3:21pm
  - pdm
    
    `So what has happened to the education system since then, when year 12 students leave school without basic comprehension & maths skills?’
    
    DB school did me okay and I left at the end of 1963.
    
    However I do confess to giving up maths once I got to the Algebra stage – never harmed me though as I reckon I could add, subtract, multiply and divide with the best of them.
    
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    July 20, 2022 7:31pm
- rangitoto
  
  Maybe they should try the non up to date old fashioned methods that worked?
  
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  July 20, 2022 12:44pm
- ISeeRed
  
  If I had my way, no one under 30 could become a teacher. Kids teaching kids…madness.
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:16pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

When besties go bad…..

“Jacinda Ardern has lost touch with her voters, lost touch with the country, lost touch with the healthcare sector, and actually, has lot touch with herself”

– Tova O’Brien (Today FM)
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July 20, 2022 12:35pm
- Nickc2
  
  Is that a verbal bitch slap or what?
  “Jessica, ~~Tova~~ no, not you Barry, you’re baby sitting”.
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:08pm
- Biscuit
  
  I smell a deceased rodent, Maggie.
  
  In recent days, Auntie Helen, that ‘Look at me, Look at mw!’ epiwhatever Baker and now Tova have come out with, gasp, criticism of St. Jacinda.
  
  Hell, yesterday, even the Lame Duck Speaker stressed that mask-wearing is required in Parliament … although he then took care (‘My wedding invitation isn’t here yet!’) to say that that stressing had nothing to do with Jass being photographed with a crowd of littlies in the Beehive in a maskless situation. Mmmm…
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:19pm
  - pdm
    
    ` littlies in the Beehive’
    
    Hell some of them could probably play prop for the All Blacks – especially this year if they are available to go to SA next week.
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Spot on there Bikkie!
    
    But what’s with Nicola Willis saying we need to give Cindy a ‘free-pass’? I thort the Opposition were there to oppose ffs!!
    
    https://twitter.com/chrislynchmedia/status/1549287832275275776
    
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    July 20, 2022 1:43pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      Probably because they don’t all want to wearing masks all day at their upcoming conference.
      
      We are slowly moving on from masks. Non-compliance is getting more prevalent and hardly anyone seems to challenge it these days. Poor old Baker is going to have to slide back off into obscurity in a couple of months.
      
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      July 20, 2022 2:33pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So no one can turn it back on NATs not wearing a mask, because there will be some pics
      
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      July 20, 2022 11:32pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To think they used to share the same washing machine
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:20pm
- cmm
  
  Perhaps Ardern has lost touch with her (our) chequebook?
  
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  July 20, 2022 3:07pm
Jax30

A great interview with Dr Matt Shelton from NZDSOS on The Platform yesterday
https://fb.watch/en1OdyVOJE/
A Doctor with the moral integrity to speak out
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July 20, 2022 12:38pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I expected a long haired drongo. That man is a very conservative careful thinker. He is no radical.
  What he has to say is really chilling.
  If a person with carefully worded clear logical thoughts must be silenced then we have a huge worry.
  
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  July 20, 2022 2:39pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    He is one of a growing number worldwide. Some fence sitters have found their voice and joined, while others are quietly switching jerseys as they see the lies beginning to unravel.
    
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    July 20, 2022 2:51pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Here is a YouTube link for those who don’t want to enter in the world of FaceBook.
  
  It was great to hear such an interview on The Platform. Now that most of the usual hosts are sick, the back-end guys (such as Paul) are having to step forward, which has been the silver lining in the all the illness.
  
  I talked to Paul the day before about IT & masks, if anyone was listening. 🙂
  
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  July 20, 2022 6:43pm
Cassandra

The ferals have turned on the weakened dog. From luvvies to enemies, just like that. About time, too. If these so-called journos had an ounce of pride they’d have exposed Brenda years ago.
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July 20, 2022 12:55pm
artemisia

The number of new build homes for sale on Trademe has doubled this year.

Meanwhile in the Herald today (paywalled but the headline says it all), the rather large construction sector is in real strife –

Construction slowdown: New build inquiries drop by up to 80 per cent, more companies could go bust alongside job losses

Not to worry, government help is on the way. Apparently. And anyway consents are at record levels according to Minister Poto Williams. All good then. (Hint, can’t live in a consent.)

The Government says it knows construction is “facing accelerating headwinds” and it is working with the sector.
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July 20, 2022 1:01pm
- Ian Boag
  
  You have a solution to this of course …. ?
  
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  July 20, 2022 5:59pm
I remember when

Just to add to yesterday’s discussion on rising sea-levels.
Judith Curry’s research suggests that most of the increasing sea-level rise recently is because of mass loss from Greenland.

“Global sea level rise is accelerating, despite Heartland Institute report’s claims otherwise:”
Includes –
Daniel Swain, Climate Scientist, UCLA.
Quotes Dieng et al (2017)
“An improtant increase….., mostly due to Greenland mass loss increase and also to slight increase of all other components of the budget.”

Judith’s research suggests Greenland’s mass loss is associated with the warm phase of the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation.
Also land use and engineering in the major coastal cities have brought on many of the worst problems.(27/11/18)
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July 20, 2022 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

*CHINA WATCH*

Imagine what NZ will be like when Robbo defaults on the debt 🙁

‘More than 20 million Chinese citizens in Shanghai will be tested for Covid this week. Just so they can get an updated Vax-Pass which will enable them to return to work.
Homes are being raided, pets are being slaughtered, and residents testing positive forcibly removed to camps’

https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1549374783757750272
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July 20, 2022 1:14pm
- pdm
  
  Maggie.
  
  Robbos only interest is increasing the debt.
  
  He will be well gone before the proberbial hits the fan.
  
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  July 20, 2022 1:45pm
I remember when

It’s no wonder the Labour Government are being cautious about immigration.
* Covid has entered New Zealand from overseas.
* Inflation (according to the government) is the result of increasing costs from overseas.
* Housing shortages have been caused by immigration.
* Petrol price increases are the result of imported cost increases.
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July 20, 2022 1:51pm
JerJer

Hey, it seems I support Cindy on something.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/environmentalists-mana-whenua-criticise-pms-appalling-gift-to-us-president/QEV4WXW25SVXIPO7MV3FIRXV5Q/

One moron giving another moron a gift made of something dug up from a swamp. Maori have nothing to do with it. They weren’t around when the swamp wood was formed. Their opinion doesn’t carry any water.

Joe proably put it in the fireplace once Cindy was gone anyway.
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July 20, 2022 1:52pm
- septic skeptic
  
  It’ll still be safe then, the staff all know that Joe is not allowed to play with matches.
  
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  July 20, 2022 2:26pm
  - curry4me
    
    Speaking of WH fire places; LBJs daughter caused an evacuation in the 60s. She lit a fire in one of the grates.
    
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    July 20, 2022 5:28pm
- cmm
  
  It’s way better than the Made in China stuffed Kiwi toy she picked up in the duty free gift shop and gave to Merkel.
  
  https://rnz-ressh.cloudinary.com/image/upload/s–Zw8f3nb0–/c_scale,f_auto,q_auto,w_1050/4NWAXGJ_copyright_image_148586
  
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  July 20, 2022 3:05pm
Maggie Pie

‘Liquidators can’t find Eric Watson’

– BusinessDeskNZ

There’s a small matter of 57 million.

LOL!!
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July 20, 2022 2:01pm
cmm

First up, let me say that I in no way condone violence against police or the law abiding public.

But HTF do you get tough on crime with a snowflake police force like this?

A few weeks ago we had a cop that needed smelling salts after seeing a dead body.

Now we have a cop who will, apparently, have long term mental harm from being punched (and no we are not talking about concussion etc, but about “feelzie” harm). Come on, getting into an argy-bargy with criminal scum is always part of a cop’s job description. If you’re not up to that then you don’t belong.

Note too how, yet again, a taser fails to do its job. Yes, cops need better tools, but so to the law abiding citizens.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-officer-punched-and-knocked-out-in-vicious-manurewa-assault-suffering-bruising-swelling/5JHL2F42ZFZUV7KR4KG4NFAQJU/
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July 20, 2022 3:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Being ‘knocked out’ is one of the principal definitions of concussion.
  
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  July 20, 2022 3:06pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    A punch like that could be fatal, if her head struck the ground, or a life changing brain injury (she was said to have been ‘knocked out’ but seemed to be moving immediately in the video).
    I think it reflects more on the person who punched another person like that: who happened to be a police officer: and also happened to be a woman.
    Reflects badly on the human scum that is.
    
    The only thing I might suggest for the NZ police is to reinvest some of the 2 million allocated for studying their ‘bias’, as was announced, and instead book in some fighting sport training/MMA or competitive martial arts.
    Because the guy bounded right up to her from the front, and threw a straight right, and she ate it up.
    Plenty of people would get caught by that, but if someone with a bit of experience you can slip, draw back, break line to the side, or even cover up a bit and/or block, or just wear it a bit better.
    I have had my eye socket opened up, black eyes and cracked ribs more than once, but never been knocked down apart from a strike right on the back of the head in a >1 on 1 street fight.
    It’s hard to catch a wary person front-on with a single punch if they are familiar with fist fighting. As an aside, last night I was asked to spar with a kickboxer who has a fight coming up soon, in an undersized ring which restricts the ability to back away, and between foot movement or smother and clinch, keeping guard up constantly, and throwing strikes out to keep the other person respectful – neither of us landed a flush head punch in 2 x 2min rounds.
    What I mean is: NZ Cops need more than just the week-long taser training noted in the article.
    
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    July 20, 2022 4:09pm
Maggie Pie

Thank goodness there’s only 10 days to go!
Just been going thru the Hello-Fresh recipe cards for our dinner tonite.
The hardest part about ‘Dry July’ is when your other half refuses to take part 🙁

Just saying.
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July 20, 2022 3:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Thanks ~~suckas~~ taxpayers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129327338/get-rich-quick-scheme–16m-paid-to-an-auckland-motel-for-emergency-accommodation
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July 20, 2022 3:29pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  WOW. I’d always thort the BEST ‘get-rich-quick-scheme’ was climate change!
  
  Now I’m not so sure….
  
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  July 20, 2022 3:45pm
- artemisia
  
  There is a little vid in that article, a young solo mother. Keeps applying for rental housing for her and the little one, always turned down, even though she is ‘worthy’ and she and baby deserve their own home. So remain in emergency housing.
  
  She should write to the Prime Minister and ask why Labour made so many changes to the rental sector, that now few landlords are interested in taking on a tenant with no tenancy experience and a limited income. Used to be family took in their own, and this family did. For a little while.
  
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  July 20, 2022 6:30pm
krazykiwi

Kemi Badenoch eliminated from UK Conservative Party leadership race. Pity. Only a WEF/Gates anointed one will now prevail.
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July 20, 2022 3:41pm
- mogg
  
  Don’t be too sure, the majority of Badenoch support is right wing and will be more aligned with Truss not
  Mordaunt.
  
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  July 20, 2022 4:00pm
- mandk
  
  I think a bunch of Tory MPs have voted themselves out of a job.
  
  Kemi was Labour’s worst nightmare.
  
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  July 20, 2022 4:59pm
kevn

@kk,,, Pity, she seemed to be the right stuff. Maybe next time around.
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July 20, 2022 4:03pm
Chris Nisbet

Were we given any indication _when_ covid cases were going to hit their peak of 21,000 (or 18,000 if we all did our bit)?
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July 20, 2022 4:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally RNZ confirms a report that a family has been locked down for nearly 1 year on Tokelau for refusing to be covid-vaccinated.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/471289/family-under-house-arrest-for-nearly-a-year-over-vaccine-defiance

Perhaps the folks on Tokelau are unaware that they are NZ citizens and their confinement is illegal.

Perhaps Ross Ardern could have made this fact clear to the confined family before he stepped down.
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July 20, 2022 4:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m beginning to think you have something against that Ardern family.
  
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  July 20, 2022 4:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m beginning to think
    
    Good on you….
    
    It takes a bit of effort, but I’m sure you’ll get the hang of it sometime.
    
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    July 20, 2022 4:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, I don’t know at what stage your thinking became so perfect that you felt you could display such bitterness and hatred towards those (and their families) who presume to disagree with your political preferences.
      
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      July 20, 2022 5:26pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        Mike grow up. Apart from your naff “today is international [insert inane topic] day” the only string to your bow is nasty personal comments. Please self reflect. Kokila – what do you think?
        
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        July 20, 2022 5:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        My thinking is not perfect.
        
        I don’t do hatred.
        
        It is illegal to confine innocent NZers within their place of residence.
        If the Public Servants of Tokelau are unaware of the rights of their citizens, then I would think it is the duty of the Administrator to put them right.
        
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        July 20, 2022 5:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Neatly avoiding the point that your only reason to pretend to care for the welfare of a family in Tokelau is the surname of the islands’ administrator.
        
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        July 20, 2022 5:46pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Their child has got something against us. We intend to get our own back.
    
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    July 20, 2022 5:09pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Wow, Mike.
    
    Ardern family displays totalitarian impulses in Tokelau, it’s reported by RNZ, Maggie posts it here, and your response is that Maggie has something against the Arderns!
    
    That is some serious ignoring of the issues, there. Like, the Arderns can do no wrong. Like you have to attack anyone on their behalf, no matter what they have done. Remaining silent would have been better.
    
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    July 20, 2022 6:50pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hopefully a pro bono lawyer takes up their case.
  
  Would be constitutionally interesting, give the Tokelau’s connection with NZ.
  
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  July 20, 2022 5:21pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Free Media / Lizz Gunn just interviewed the unvaxxed guy in Tokelau and it’s been on the alternative networks. Looks like alt media releasing the news puts the pressure on the mainstream, or people just go elsewhere if they want to know what’s happening in the world.
  
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  July 20, 2022 10:13pm
MCōs

I watched the cricket from Durham this morning played in temperatures up around 40°.
One of the English bowlers left the field after bowling four overs and didn’t reappear until he came in to bat at #11.
The heat got to him apparently.
A few years ago the Blackcaps played an entire test at Perth in temperatures in excess of 40°. They were pummeled as England was today.
During the games it was mentioned that at a county game at Lords members were permitted to take off their jackets, but not their ties.
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July 20, 2022 4:46pm
Maggie Pie

NZ Horrid reports:

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern gave her first media stand-up this afternoon since returning from the PI Forum last week….
She described Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta as “a role-model”

LOL!!
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July 20, 2022 4:49pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Role Model for whom???
  
  Bag Ladies???
  
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  July 20, 2022 4:53pm
  - Cassandra
    
    At least Nanaia doesn’t waste money on clothes. But she is a role model. I admire her grasp of the shakedown. She makes Al Capone look like an amateur. And in this day and age she can be a made man. Capece?
    
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    July 20, 2022 5:14pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      A few years back – before 2017 – I was on the same flight as her to Hamilton. I was waiting for my ride and watched her stagger, literally, to some guy collecting her. She was wearing plus size track pants and a hooded sweater.
      
      She is no role model.
      
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      July 20, 2022 6:04pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I hate fat people too.
        
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        July 20, 2022 6:11pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I don’t hate them. But they are not role models.
        
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        July 20, 2022 6:19pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think she said ‘roll model’
  
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  July 20, 2022 5:22pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  How stupid. How many parents would sit down their 12 year old daughter, point to the TV, and say “Be like that woman?” Jacinda does not believe it either. It is all lies. I am over it.
  
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  July 20, 2022 6:02pm
blue collar

So the press lady cancelled the post series interview for fozzie and co …. Should be sacked . What an utter disgrace , only time in history and the optics are appalling .
Lost , too scared to front up . I smell a rat , but if true it just shows what an utter dumpster Nz rugby is for allowing the system where this can happen .
Excuse ? Feels and poor fozzie …. It’s part of the job you ignorant incompetent woman
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July 20, 2022 5:52pm
Benedict Yu

How is exporting bottled water more damaging to the environment than exporting milk powder. Which is water turned into grass turned into milk turned into milk powder?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129328167/huge-day-for-christchurch-as-water-bottling-consents-quashed

Canterbury aquifiers would have been better off if we had exported water instead of irrigating them for intense dairy farming. 🙁 And the volumes of these bottled water consents are a tiny fraction of the consents for irrigation of intensive dairy farms.
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July 20, 2022 6:09pm
mandk

You know what your problem is, Benedict?

You are being far too logical.
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July 20, 2022 6:16pm
Gravelroad

My word, what a bunch of cowards these Local Government NZ “leaders” are – banning the Taxpayers Union and associates from attending their conference.
The long march to a communist state almost completed.
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July 20, 2022 6:26pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Following the Prime Ministers lead. She didn’t allow unauthorised questions. Accredited media only.
  
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  July 20, 2022 10:01pm
Maggie Pie

I just watched the vid on Stuff of that poor policewoman getting punched in face by that black thug 🙁

If I was the Commissioner, all female cops would be packing a can of Oven Spray.
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July 20, 2022 6:27pm
kevn

@Maggie… They are trained to think people ‘respect’ the uniform. We had a nice guy cop neighbour who was always getting bashed. Got the hang of it after a while… don’t assume the respect.
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July 20, 2022 6:42pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yes, exactly right kev.
  Talking about this with my partner’s mum earlier. She was saying there’s a retired cop and his wife living in the Village.
  He ‘perfed’ out of the police some years ago after about 30 years experience. Reckoned there WAS respect for the uniform back then.
  Telling her in his day, if something like that happened to another cop, particularly a female one, the perp would be taken back to the watch-house, handcuffed to a chair, and made to read the Auckland Phone Book until he knew it off-by-heart.
  
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  July 20, 2022 6:57pm
Suze Wainwright

I see Richard Dawkins is coming to NZ in February. I hope he’s been schooled up on cultural safety.
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July 20, 2022 7:13pm
Jack5

Oh! Oh!

Foot and mouth disease has been detected in goods coming into Australia from both Indonesia and China, reports the Sydney Morning Herald.

Viral fragments of foot and mouth disease have been detected in a beef product at an Australian airport, brought by a passenger from Indonesia.

The newspaper says pork products for sale in Melbourne were also found during routine inspections to contain viral fragments of both foot and mouth disease and African swine fever.
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