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Happy Nelson Mandela International Day!
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July 18, 2022 8:05am
- cmm
  
  It is fitting that this is scoring 2 up ticks and 2 down ticks at the time I read that.
  
  Mandela was an interesting and complex character. Yes, certainly, there is a lot of good stuff he is known for.
  But there’s also a seedy underbelly that gets far less exposure:
  * the terrorist – a man who lead the ANC that killed tens of thousands of black people to achieve its political goals.
  * the man who prolonged apartheid – who could have made a deal ending apartheid at least 2 years earlier but chose conflict instead for political reasons.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Burn the village down to rid a few houses contaminated. Yep, Mandela the murdering terrorist.
    Prolonged apartheid to keep control, just like someone prolonging Covid red light shit to keep control.
    South Africa was sad really. My Grandfather left before WW1. He was a farmer in Capetown, Dairy, wool, lamb, beef, and agriculture. Must have been huge and he employed many. He was single.
    In the end he had enough of the Blacks stealing whatever they wanted. He had to sack employees, give away all his animals to neighbours, and walked off the land. Jumped on a ship and came to NZ.
    The shit was going strong way back then.
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:31am
    - cmm
      
      No it wasn’t burning the village to eliminate some contamination. It was burning down the village to eliminate the black competition.
      
      I regard government institutions as legitimate ANC targets. I even consider attacking white schools legitimate ANC targets. That all makes sense in a “freedom struggle” for blacks vs a white minority government
      
      But the vast majority of the people that were killed by the ANC (well over 95%) were black people who would be opposition once the inevitable happened and apartheid ended.
      
      These people were not killed by the apartheid regime. Nor were they killed in the freedom struggle. They were killed in the political turf war mainly by the ANC trying to grab political control.
      
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      July 18, 2022 9:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You would know much more than I ever will. My Grandfather died 2 years before I was born.
        
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        July 18, 2022 9:14am
      - Matt Long
        
        So the ANC were Marxist I’ve been told, what were their opposition?
        
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        July 18, 2022 9:42am
      - alloytoo
        
        @Matt Long said. “So the ANC were Marxist I’ve been told, what were their opposition?”
        
        It’s tribal and continues to this day. The Soviet Union were just using the ANC to destabilize the region.
        
        Even today within the ANC tribal factions struggle for dominance.
        
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        July 18, 2022 10:17am
      - mawm
        
        cmm – politically inspired deaths in the 30 years of the “armed struggle” estimated as 3000. Politically inspired deaths after the release of Mandela and the unbanning of the ANC until the ’94 elections -12000 (if I remember correctly – from the Truth and Reconciliation investigation).
        
        Matt – the only major opposition were the Zulu nationalists of Buthelezi lead Inkatha Freedom Party. The ANC went about killing their traditional leaders, very much as Mugabe killed thousands of Ndebele in the Gukurahundi.
        
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        July 18, 2022 2:13pm
      - cmm
        
        mawm: What is really interesting is the Operation Vula period of the late 1980s./early 1990s (Vula means “to open up” in Xhosa).
        By the time Vula kicked off, apartheid was well on the road to being deconstructed. So why the need to bring tons of arms into South Africa?
        
        It certainly was not needed for the struggle against apartheid. Nope: it was for one thing only – giving ANC more firepower against other black groups during the transition.
        
        It also explains why Mandela et al were keen to keep apartheid going longer. They needed the time to build up their forces. The longer they could keep aratheid going, and keep the situation unstable, the more strength they could build up.
        
        One man one vote or democratic precesses etc were of no interest to them. It was all an excuse for a massive power grab.
        
        The numbers of deaths were huge – and that was with tens of thousands of white citizens being pulled in to patrol the townships to help keep them safe.
        
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        July 18, 2022 3:45pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      And the Boers settled SA way before the Zulu et al. wandered south.
      
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      July 18, 2022 8:30pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes Indeed, Used to visit a Bar in Durban that was attacked and multiple casualties.
    Spear of the nation and all that.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:09am
    - zulumonster
      
      Magoos? Great bar
      
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      July 18, 2022 1:48pm
- Simon
  
  Internationally Clown World losing badly to Russia China
  
  Will there be a new Mandela as part of regime change in the West to reverse Clown World or will Russia China simply overwhelm the post West
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:23am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Meh, certainly true we have many Clown world Govts but…
    How is that Mortgage Strike and Property Developer collapse going in China?
    How many Trillion is going to be lost?
    Shanghai still under violent lockdown?
    As for Russia
    https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-16
    I think its clear that the Russian army is pretty shit. Their equipment (what’s left) hardly works and their troops don’t want to fight.
    lol
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:05am
    - Simon
      
      Clown World thought the sanctions would turn Russia into another Iraq in the 1990s but Russia simply pivoted with the BRICS. No Russian gas for Germany. Its a different world.
      
      As for the link check what your Clown World source of “news” were saying about the Russian military early on. Basically the Russian military has taken apart the biggest non-Russian military in Europe inside of six weeks.
      
      “How is that Mortgage Strike and Property Developer collapse going in China?
      How many Trillion is going to be lost?”
      
      Lol – what garbage. At stake is around $83 billion in the bank sector. Peanuts. Trillions = keep being spoon fed Clown World.
      
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      July 18, 2022 9:29am
      - Lance
        
        You could just save the typing and link directly to your Russian propaganda sheet.
        
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        July 18, 2022 10:28am
      - All_on_Red
        
        $83 Billion- wrong. Its a lot more than that. Then there is the problem of all the Developers going bust.
        Oh and forgot to mention that on shoring is proceeding at pace in the US (and Mexico etc) as Companies leave China.
        
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        July 18, 2022 10:55am
      - mawm
        
        Simon – I’m glad to see that not everybody is blindly accepting the Western propaganda on Ukraine. I’m continually amazed how a “shit” army that has substandard equipment and demoralised soldiers, that runs out of fuel, and has such massive losses is winning battle after battle and keeps on gaining territory. Magic!
        What else amazes me is that after the massive BS blitz over covid and the vaccines, people still believe politicians and the press.
        
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        July 18, 2022 2:28pm
    - Taieri
      
      I think its clear that the Russian army is pretty shit. Their equipment (what’s left) hardly works and their troops don’t want to fight
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      And yet, they hold approx. 20% of the Ukrainian territory. Now try to imagine what would happen if their equipment (what’s left) was working better and their troops wanted to fight?
      
      As an aside, the resources committed to the invasion of Ukraine are just a fraction of what Russia is really capable of. Dismissing its potential is just a wishful thinking and a total lack of understanding of what makes that country tick.
      
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      July 18, 2022 9:53am
- alloytoo
  
  In other words it’s his birthday.
  
  (In case anyone was wondering why it was today)
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:12am
Tony Stuart

There have been some significant changes in NZ Rugby over the weekend. Matthew Tukaki has been added to the All Black coaching panel. When questioned about the apparent lack of coaching credentials on Tukaki’s CV, a spokesperson for NZ Rugby said they had consulted Kelvin Davis who said the work Tutaki had done “speaks for itself”

“I’d heard about the stuff he’d done apparently overseas,” Davis said. He’s being condemned for being highly successful and some people don’t like that. Some people don’t like the uppity Māori but I can’t fault his work,” Mr Davis says.

And in other news, a spokesman for NZ Rugby has confirmed that William Gannin Ormsby was considered for a role on the All Blacks coaching team, having been secretly referred by his wife, Hon. Nanaia Mahuta. However NZR was concerned that the 72 other government appointments organised for Mr Ormsby and his family might constitute a conflict of interest. He will however be utilised in a “show us the money” role aligned with the Silverlake deal.
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July 18, 2022 8:05am
- Nukuleka
  
  A nice laugh to start the week, Tony, but quite within the bounds of possibility given the numpties in control.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:09am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    If we didn’t laugh, we’d cry!
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:16am
    - Cassandra
      
      OMG, I thought you were being factual. What you wrote was totally believable. What a relief to find that it’s only partially true.
      
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      July 18, 2022 9:14am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Careful Tony. Are you the nasty person who have been trolling Nania and her family about the nepotism and largesse that has been falling the way of her family?
      
      …..and it was all in accordance with the Cabinet Manual on Conflicts of Interest! Yeah, right I need a Tui’s!
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:32pm
  - G152
    
    The funniest thing was when Mahuta was on fake news all uppity because shes been found out.
    Apparently by Maori.
    And everyone else
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:21am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed; David Seymour reckons he has Mahuta bang to rights over a poorly managed conflict of interest involving her niece:
      
      https://twitter.com/dbseymour/status/1548455702360104960
      
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      July 18, 2022 8:30am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Ms Mahuta on Te News last night ably assisted by Jack Tame.
      She presented a rather fragile, woebegone figure – the hurtful people on social media are just so unfair when she has done everything right by the Cabinet manual.
      Tears not far away at the injustice of it all when she has only ever done her best etc etc.
      And this from a senior cabinet minister.
      
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      July 18, 2022 8:33am
      - pdm
        
        mrspdm commented that she had never heard Mahuta say so many words in a row before.
        
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        July 18, 2022 8:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We are all racists who don’t understand Moari Culcha//
        
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        July 18, 2022 8:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        pdm, so many words in a row?
        Jack never intervened? How strange. She must have been speaking Moari.
        
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        July 18, 2022 8:50am
      - namron
        
        Those of you who saw the full Mahuta interview on Jack Tame’s programme on Sunday morning will be aware of his light treatment of her and the many opportunities he didn’t take to question Mahuta more deeply.
        Jack Tame’s political inclination showing up again.
        
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        July 18, 2022 8:53am
      - Kurious Kiwi
        
        Interestingly in her first sentence she referred to meeting her obligations to her family. Meaning her obligations to find them income earning roles if she is in a position to do so. Like in many other cultures this is considered normal and culturally appropriate within Maori ranks. Do we have the right to judge based on our values?
        I dont like it, but perhaps I could be happier if she was just upfront and honest about it?
        
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        July 18, 2022 9:37am
      - Nickc2
        
        Is Jack Tame on a bonus scheme?
        
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        July 18, 2022 10:19am
      - Prince
        
        Its astonishing to see how far our ‘journalism’ has fallen. Tame gave Mahuta a free reign to attack her ‘oppressors’ and paint herself as the victim. Seymour etc were not given the opportunity to give details of their concerns. No wonder our media are so distrusted now.
        
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        July 18, 2022 11:01am
    - wisteria
      
      She was very defensive. Also knew all her words perfectly and Tame Jack did not interrupt.
      
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      July 18, 2022 11:03am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Which means it was a put up job. I wonder how many takes they had to do for Mahuta to get it word perfect?
        
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        July 18, 2022 12:36pm
- pdm
  
  Inv – under no circumstance should you put ideas into the NZRU boards heads.
  
  After all they are the people who firstly appointed Foster and then re appointed him until after the World Cup.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  Don’t laugh – looking at the Reserve Bank appointments this is definitely a possibility.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:14am
- fisho
  
  Nice work Tony, you’ve already won the internet today and it’s still early.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:21am
- Rusty
  
  Tony- if He Pua/ Maori co-governance goes ahead there might be two national rugby teams in the future.
  
  One Maori and one everyone else.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:29am
  - RoboRob
    
    lol, we already have a segrationalist rugby team. Perhaps a Ginger All Blacks is in the future or maybe a Trans Blacks. The latter might be the only way we can win, we could play them in the womans league.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:10am
- Nickc2
  
  I was unfortunate enough to see Nanaia Mahuta on TV last night stating that people were spreading rumours around Mahuta Corp being awarded Govt Contracts and issuing a statement of denial.
  Whilst I’m not permitted to call her a liar because I don’t have any evidence other than what I read, I am permitted to say “I don’t believe a word she says”.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:40am
  - artemisia
    
    Quite sure the Maori caucus was planning for Nanaia Mahuta to be the next Prime Minister when Jacinda Ardern steps down later this year. Maori royalty, Foreign Minister, decades of experience in the Parliament – how could she be passed over?
    
    The the ‘n’ word reared its ugly head. Regardless of how upset Ms Mahuta is, bet that’s nothing to the weeping, wailing and teeth gnashing in the Maori caucus. Which by the way has been pressing hard for influential appointments. And money. Hoist. Petard.
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:53am
    - Paulus
      
      Whislt you are right in part – after the game over a few beers with an acquantaince who is on the LEC and local Union Leader it could appear that there could be trouble at HO in Wellington.
      President has resigned quietly recently.
      One reason he thought was the arrangements for the Labour Elected and List MPs at the next election, remembering that HO has all the cards.
      It may be perceived that Ardern will go sooner rather than later, and it suggetsed that Wood (M) will take over – the Union’s choice and that Mahuta will become Deputy.
      The consideration appears that Labour will select more Maori to the existing Maori Caucus and the Maori seats will remain Labour.
      Thus giving Mahuta total numbers and control of the Caucus.
      Rumbles from the Labour Shires who are not being considered.
      
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      July 18, 2022 10:27am
    - My
      
      Back off Nanania. Smile and hongi. Nania for Prime Minister for sure. Lets make it happen. With her political skill, experience and royalty Labour will be sitting at <20% in no time.
      
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      July 18, 2022 11:20am
  - Cassandra
    
    This whole issue smells bad. If it’s all according to the Cabinet manual then there’s something wrong with the Cabinet. Oh, wait…………………………….
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:17am
  - Philview
    
    To ensure balance to the story TVNZ per usual didn’t bother providing an alternate point of view.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:58am
    - Lance
      
      Indeed. They played the part where she says nasty toxic trolling people are making unfounded claims and giving her hurt feelings, followed closely by pictures of Seymore and Brown without any explanation or clarification.
      TVNZ news has sunk to the level of gutter journalism in my opinion. I don’t say that lightly but because they consistently favour the lefties, misrepresent, lie and cover up a near endless procession of gross incompetence and sinister social engineering.
      They think they are being smart arses but instead they are betraying the public of NZ, the watch dogs have become the propaganda conduit.
      
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      July 18, 2022 10:41am
- Akitio
  
  Word around the corridors of power, Ardern is head-hunting Ian Foster, he has an impeccable CV for a Labour cabinet portfolio.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    With failure written all over it!
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:41pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    …’corridors of power’. As an aside, the English author CP Snow coined that wonderful phrase, and it was the title of one of his books.
    
    I don’t know if any of you have read CP Snow’s works, but I devoured them in period, both for the excellent stye of English, and the content, quaint as it may now seem in today’s world.
    
    He is still relevant today ( even though that era and its Brit social zeitgeist is gone), because, at the risk of being trite, political power and all of its concomitant Machiavellian intrigue never goes out of date.
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:52pm
Surely Knott

Woman in New York prison impregnates two other women inmates. 🤷‍♀️ https://nypost.com/2022/07/16/transgender-woman-demi-minor-impregnates-two-inmates-at-nj-prison/
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July 18, 2022 8:07am
- Ruahine
  
  That is quite clever when you think about it. Jail with benefits. I think a lot of people would be in to that.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:32am
- Opie
  
  30 years for manslaughter! Now you’re talking.
  
  Good idea to transfer it into a juvenile correctional facility, that won’t end badly…
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:59am
- Aunty
  
  Who was the idiot who put a cock in the hen house?
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:12am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes and we see so many cases of hens in the cock house taking up with the dross .
    
    Like wimmin on war ships .
    
    Isn’t “progress” great.
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:32am
- Ehlana
  
  Demi Minor, the prisoner who impregnated the women, has now been transferred to another facility and complains, “While living here at GYSC, I have found my self (sic) under attack by young inmates who are immature and just plain ignorant towards a person like me.”
  
  Is someone who impregnates women in prison really in a position to lecture others on immature behaviour? Or is Demi “just plain ignorant” too?
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:41am
Benedict Yu

I can sense disaster around the corner with David Clark in charge of regulating supermarkets. I mean, based on his track record, why would it be a success?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/07/david-clark-says-kiwis-will-be-better-off-with-new-supermarket-watchdog-can-t-say-how-much-shoppers-will-save-or-when.html

He can’t seem to explain how this regime will lower prices. Indeed, officials have warned that the regime could increase prices through restricting the ability of supermarkets to use market power to pressure suppliers to reduce wholesale prices. That will help market gardeners in Levin but consumers will pay for it.

David Clark can’t do shit. He has demonstrated everything he touches turns to dust.

Only a substantial increase in competition will work. A “Groceries Commissioner” ain’t doing that. Jacinda should get on a Zoom call, with the head of the Treasury and the Commerce Commission, to a handful of CEOs of USA and European grocery chains. Ask them “What would it take for you to set up in New Zealand?” At least they would learn something. More than we will ever get from the Groceries Commissioner. 🤡
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July 18, 2022 8:08am
- Simon
  
  When Clown Show disrupts food distribution they will then claim it would have been much worse without their intervention
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:12am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Already occurring.
    
    In a way it is better to have the biggest clown in charge therefore they have an inability to stuff things totally.
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:25am
- pdm
  
  BY – don’t panic.
  
  There will two commissioners – Mathew Tukaki and Nanaia Mahuta’s sister.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:13am
- cmm
  
  BY: Hopefully he will take the pay and many bike rides and just stay far away from supermarkets.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  He couldn’t regulate his own outings during lockdown ……..
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stop picking on him. All he wants to do is go for a ride on his bike in peace.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:56am
- Philview
  
  Sri Lanka tried this model so should be ok!
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:01am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, Carrots tuesday and spud sundays and everyone will be grateful.
  Fuel rationing is probably coming sooner than people realise.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:15am
  - mawm
    
    How quickly we have become North Korea. Couldn’t we just turn off the street lights like France, or make community halls into warm spaces like Germany instead of fuel rationing and government price fixing, or even doing a full Sri Lanka?
    
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    July 18, 2022 2:43pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Benedict, I agree with your opening sentence.
  
  For those of us old enough to remember the current economic and commercial abilities of this government are right up there with the Kirk/Rowling govt. And indeed, it was was Warren Freer as Minister of Trade & Industry who tried to regulate the inflationary pressures being felt by consumers at the time. How many remember the Maximum Retail Price scheme and the little MRP shields that had to be printed on packaging containing the manufacturers maximum retail price. A scheme that fail spectacularly and resigned to the rubbish bin of failed failed socialist interventions.
  
  There is much wrong with the retail duopoly that reigns supreme in NZ, but half baked ideas as interventions will solve nothing, except make things even more expensive!
  
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  July 18, 2022 12:46pm
Master Mariner

What does Netherlands and Sei Lanka have in Common?
Well high ESG scores.
https://www.keneci.com/business/green-energy-policies-esg-scam-wrecking-economic-havoc-in-sri-lanka-europ
“What’s the result of the South Asian nation’s embrace of of WEF policies? High food prices and millions living in poverty.

The economic collapse in Sri Lanka has triggered an ongoing popular uprising against the government.”
Think of NZ’s recent policies, Banning Oil and Gas, The relentless attack on Farmers ( And Fisherman).
And is it a scam?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/may/30/musk-right-to-call-esg-a-scam/
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July 18, 2022 8:12am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s all becoming very clear now. We are on the WEF train now. Most people don’t understand it is on the way to economic oblivion and serfdom for the middle classes.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    The train to poverty, hunger and blackouts. People dying of malnutrition, disease, freezing or heat stroke.
    Energy deprivation, Starvation, and Gutting the middle classes.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:53am
- MCōs
  
  NZ hasn’t banned oil & gas.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:57am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes indeed, Otherwise they would well, Ban it.
    Hypocrisy ?
    However the message is clear.
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:17am
    - MCōs
      
      Don’t understand, Master.
      Has or has not NZ banned oil & gas?
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:03pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Drilling and no new permits to be issued ( How ever Greymouth Petroleum got one out of thin air).
        
        Every Oil Major passed in there permits on their Governments announcements and shear stupidity.
        
        So in a nutshell , NZ has banned Oil and Gas by Proxy.
        
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        July 18, 2022 1:49pm
      - than
        
        Well, technically no but they’ve banned future exploration which doesn’t send a positive signal to the oil giants about investing any money here
        
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        July 18, 2022 2:40pm
      - MCōs
        
        “Well, technically no”
        
        Thank you.
        
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        July 18, 2022 5:30pm
      - Bluegrass
        
        MCos – re your ‘technically no” response below [no reply option] on oil and gas:
        
        If you are into Monty Python, Black Knight wasn’t technically dead – but he was unable to operate.
        
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        July 18, 2022 9:29pm
Frank the tank

I wonder if there was a call from Grunter to his woke mate, Robbo (NZRFU) on the weekend. “Our Glorious Leader” cannot afford to have the wokeblacks not performing as this will give more fuel to the peasant uprising.

Robber(tson) would of had the inflation figures and my guess in mid 7’s to low 8’s are at play.
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July 18, 2022 8:20am
- pdm
  
  Closer to 8 than 7 I would think Frank.
  
  Heading towards double digit by the end of the year.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:29am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Fuel hits all the indexes so 9 and rising wouldn’t be a surprise.
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:56am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      “Only” 7.3%. Not so bad.
      
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      July 18, 2022 11:27am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Not so bad against what? Orr’s target is 1% to 3%, so should he be resigning fir failing to achieve the key KPIs in his job description?
        
        Or do we look to Nrman Kirk for inspiration, who promised to kick inflation for six (2.5% in the year ended Sept 72), and he did with Bill Rowling, and Bob Tizard! Just their kicking for 6, resulted in inflation of 5% per annum, and wage price spirals for the next 10 years.
        
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        July 18, 2022 12:52pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I reckon they will manipulate the numbers somehow to come out with 6.9% and say, look good news lower than all the predictions. But the true inflation rate will be close to 10%!
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:18am
Frank the tank

Interestingly the sheeple were back out in force in the weekend in their white and blue muzzles. Was the only one in the Supermarket not in a face nappy and got some angry looks from the pensioners.

Fuck this is a depressing little country.
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July 18, 2022 8:22am
- Bridgenag
  
  Get the exemption pass. Feels great “I dare you…”
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:28am
  - artemisia
    
    Being a generally law abiding citizen, quite a while ago I applied for an exemption. Sure enough it arrived in the mail a few days later. The following week, another one arrived in the mail. And another the following week.
    
    I think they needed to use up the funding. Or more likely incompetence and the system not properly tested.
    
    The only place I’ve ever been questioned is Wellington libraries – they appear to have full time security so it gives them something to do.
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:43am
    - curry4me
      
      The library in central Christchurch has them too. They’ve finally got used to mine.
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:02pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    No point – nobody is enforcing it.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:25am
  - cmm
    
    Get an exemption pass… the compliant way to not comply.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:41am
  - Hebe123
    
    no don’t get an exemption pass, just walk in. Smile at the security and the pensioners, say Hi as you walk on by. Remind them a bit of the way the world should be.
    If you are challenged, simply say “I am exempt”. They cannot legally ask to see your pass.
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:05am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I witnessed a shopkeeper demand to see an exemption pass – one of those “Bin Inn” stores where you buy your bulk spices etc. The guy refused and so the owner said get out. Threatened to call the police. The guy left.
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:06pm
      - Hebe123
        
        I’ve been asked once at an op shop. Spoke to the manager of the charity and she got it sorted, made sure they knew it was not legal to ask to see anything.
        
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        July 18, 2022 12:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Mall at Glenfield is now about 50/50. More and more are getting their exemption, or maybe they jus don’t give a fuck anymore.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:02am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Franny the bubble car wanders around the supermarket without a mask, then brags about it on a message board – what a heroine.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    More moral guidance from KB’s most upstanding citizen.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:42am
  - alloytoo
    
    When I was a lad, the guys with masks were robbing the store.
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You should be more discrete Braim
    
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    July 18, 2022 4:54pm
  - AitchW
    
    Wow. Puerile name calling and ad hominem in one sentence. That’s truly heroic.
    
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    July 18, 2022 6:20pm
- Opie
  
  I was pleased to go into a bar in wanganui in the weekend and note the staff weren’t masked up.
  
  Sick of the hypocrisy I guess.
  
  My favorite mask zealots are the ones sitting in a Cafe unmasked complaining about people waiting in line without one…
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:03am
  - MCōs
    
    Which cafe would that be?
    
    I’ve never been to a cafe where I’ve overheard customers muttering about people not wearing masks. Then again I don’t pay particular attention to other people’s private conversation.
    
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    July 18, 2022 5:45pm
Maggie Pie

Talking of Sri Lanka, someone suggested using a Molotov Cocktail…
but there’s not enough petrol in the country 😀

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilver/status/1548424146454921218
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July 18, 2022 8:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Be cheaper to get a HIMARS system than use petrol bombs.
  
  Apparently there are a few for sale on the dark web I hear. Some of the Ukrainians preferring to sell them than use them.
  
  https://techstartups.com/2022/06/02/javelins-weapons-supplied-us-nato-ukraine-now-listed-sale-darknet/
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:51am
  - Lee C
    
    New one for the collection Clan:
    https://hatchardreport.com/self-spreading-vaccines-are-coming-for-you/
    
    I’ve been saving a few things over the past year and am happy to share.
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:07pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Those places need burned to the ground.
      
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      July 18, 2022 8:05pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Klaus’ acolyte is living it up in Singapore.
  
  “You will own nothing and be happy”
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Which one? Or are they having a party?
    Well, we know Herr Schwab publicly stated that over half the Canadian caucus are in his pocket. We know he also has Ardern, Macron, Merkel and quite a few others.
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:33am
kowtow

Aren’t the Media Pardy a funny animal .

Saturday , prior to kick off .

“Look at the vibe ” , the city’s alive , so good for business , not seen this in years , blah blah blah.

Monday mourning .

I wonder how much the media actually contributes to the mental health crisis that we’re (not) having.

They certainly contributed , indeed were responsible for the mass hysteria that allowed the regime to get away with lockdowns etc and they’re still hyping it to the best of their $millions from Jabcinda abilidy.
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July 18, 2022 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s more the Covid “experts” who contribute. Lately they are more and more in the media.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:05am
Maggie Pie

AUCKLAND LOCAL BODY ELECTIONS

Looks like Fess has a hatred for gays….there goes the Ponsonby vote 😀
And wonder what his position is on 3rd term abortion?

https://youtu.be/hwwW3wMvTLg
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July 18, 2022 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He also has a race card in every one of his many pockets.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:07am
- Opie
  
  Can you imagine if this was luxon? The media would be in meltdown
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:09am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I thought this was better from the same link, Bannon begging for mercy:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVQGLrNZbgw
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:13am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol Brian, hardly begging for mercy. Firstly, Trump has, in writing, told Bannon he can and should testify. Secondly, there is a concept of privilege which the Jan 6 Committee have not bothered to test in court, just held anyone who won’t testify (because they have claimed privilege) in contempt. And used the DOJ to arrest a couple of them. The same DOJ that refused to arrest Democrats when the GOP held them in contempt.
    
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    July 18, 2022 2:57pm
- Matt Long
  
  His own opinion and conscience are buried under the Labour endorsement instructions. Cactus has a good post on this.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:06am
- Steve Todd
  
  Really, Maggie. In your desperation to help knock Efeso out of contention, you dredge up a ten-year-old video?!
  
  Your boy will likely be defeated by one major factor — the split vote. But I reckon that would be a good thing.
  
  If Efeso won, with (say) just 30-35% of the vote, then maybe that would cause the Auckland Council to adopt STV for 2025 (and 2028). It doesn’t look like anything else will.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:28am
  - GJM
    
    Why would they adopt STV? Labour own the council and councilers and my experience with Auckland Council is they are Wellington public servants at heart, so Labour supporters.
    The objective is to win and maintain power, which they have been successful doing since the Super City merger. Winning by a majority doesn’t matter.
    If the situation was reversed, with the left splitting the vote, they would be in favor of it, as it increases the chances of one of their splitters getting in.
    I support STV, and think we were sold a pup with MMP, with half the MPs unelected by the public. They are selected by the Party machine, hence Angry Andy is unelectable even in a formerly safe labour seat, but still has a job for life. If I was a cynic, I would say that was a feature, not a bug for the MPs and probably why it was promoted in the referendum.
    
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    July 19, 2022 8:13am
    - Steve Todd
      
      GJM: I couldn’t reasonably disagree with anything you have written. What would be the trigger that would cause council to adopt STV? Currently, a “shocking” mayoral outcome is all I can think of.
      
      There is no doubt in my mind that the Fourth Labour Government expected the Royal Commission to recommend the party-oriented MMP system, rather than the “candidate-centred but party wrapped” STV system.
      
      I also have no doubt that if STV had been recommended in December 1986, not even National / Doug Graham would have acquiesced in the face of public outrage over the behaviour of politicians, to allow the indicative referendum in September 1992 to take place.
      
      I appeared before the Auckland Council select committee in December 2009 (chaired by John Carter). I explained how STV could work to provide the people of Auckland with fair, equal and proportional representation. I was given a polite hearing, but, of course, my submission was ignored.
      
      The National / ACT government clearly thought that by putting in place one- and two-seat wards, under FPP, that the Right would dominate Auckland politics for many years to come. As we now know, it has backfired spectacularly.
      
      I see there are four Labour and two City Vision councillors, plus Richard Hills, and a “lefty” mayor who comes from the Right of the Labour Party — so, eight out of 21 in what you imply is a mainly centre-left council. But that formation is not electorally embedded.
      
      There is plenty of scope for things to change, and quickly. For that to happen, the centre-right must take this current opportunity to put up serious, quality, electable candidates, preferably having at least business experience. (I mean, seriously, Leo Molloy?)
      
      Only then can the centre-right hope to secure a 12-9 or 11-10 majority, and make change. Whether or not a majority centre-right council would be any more inclined to adopt STV than the last two councils have been, is quite another matter. As you say, why would they? On the other hand, 15 councils will be elected by STV in October, so local politicians are capable of doing the right thing.
      
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      July 19, 2022 10:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The narcissist Baker at his nonsense again. Wear masks indoors during school holidays – piss noddy.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/stop-the-pandemic-almost-in-its-tracks-why-expert-says-school-holidays-are-perfect-time-to-crush-omicron/ar-AAZF4UO?
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July 18, 2022 8:39am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was at the pools yesterday. At the end of the session the changing room was crowded. You could hardly move. It was a perfect environment for catching a virus. I hung back outside because there was just no room. Not one person wearing a mask.
  
  Then they all come out and put on their masks. Because they need to exit the pools via reception where there is a “please wear a mask sign” 🤡
  
  This natural experiment reveals that people are only wearing masks as theatre. I have literally seen not one person in the crowded changing room wearing a mask. My partner says it is the same with the women’s room.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:55am
  - I remember when
    
    It’s a sign of the cafe culture BY, people have learned that you only catch covid on the way into or out of activities.
    Same at the movies where, probably depending on age demographics, crowds do or don’t wear masks.
    Once they take their mask off people seem to become uncertain about whether they should put it back on.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Get your exemption and walk past reception waving it under their noses.
    When I applied, I just ticked ‘condition’ I did not have to explain further. Could be connected to my NHI number?
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:10am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Yep same at the local pool up my way.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:29am
  - Phronesis
    
    If it was important the government would mandate it. This is why voluntary vaccination’s have fallen off a cliff. It’s a perfectly logical response to very poor government policy.
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:57am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Steve – In response to your post about Baker. It looks like he’s either suffering from mental issues along the lines of Biden or he’s a liar. I say that because we have clear evidence nicely recorded by our mainstream media of Baker doing a complete U turn on mask wearing, then denying he ever said they didn’t work.
  
  “Newstalk ZB Asks Michael Baker If He Ever Said That Masks Don’t Work.”
  
  Here’s a link, judge for yourself.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vaHcHDnS8w
  
  How can he be allowed to maintain his position? Plausible deniability is one thing, this looks to be a clear example of Baker lying through his teeth.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:00am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Hmm {Baker quote}, “I think people should not bother with face masks”, and he explains why (the vector via the eye membranes).
    LOL.
    
    1984 quote: “The Truth is subject to change without notice”.
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:46am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then he is asked directly, “did you ever say that masks don’t work?” and he lies in response, “no”.
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lying through his teeth, taught by the expert liar Jaspinda Ardern.
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If challenged real hard he would say that same things as Jaspinda says for a coverup.
    ‘That was back then – some circumstances that we had no control over have changed’ or something.
    
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    July 18, 2022 2:46pm
- Taieri
  
  “(…)Prof Baker said the choice is to go hard for a few weeks or be COVID-fatigued but dealing with ongoing deaths and hospitalisations for the foreseeable future(…)”
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  “to go hard for a few week”. Indeed. The man is a menace.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:01am
  - Master Mariner
    
    At what point do they look in the mirror and the word “useful idiot” springs to mind?
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:22am
    - Taieri
      
      At what point do they look in the mirror and the word “useful idiot” springs to mind?
      ———–
      
      Perhaps an “idiot” fits here but “useful”? There’s nothing useful about that man and his ilk. .
      
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      July 18, 2022 11:48am
      - ISeeRed
        
        He’s not an idiot. He’s a sociopath.
        
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        July 18, 2022 1:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Never. The words that spring to mind are “Look at me”
      
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      July 18, 2022 11:48am
- K
  
  I’d estimate about 1% of the 38,000 people at the rugby on Saturday wore a mask while in the stadium concourse. A good indicator of how seriously the common man takes Baker’s chiding and the Ministry of Health ads that state that wearing a mask is “the kind thing to do”.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:46am
- glowworm
  
  Baker is an example of what happens when there is no longer a meritocracy (he holds a Professorship without a Doctorate – something I’d not even realized was possible until I learned of him).
  
  His job should be to give the best available independent health advice to the public.
  
  In this, he has now demonstrably and catastrophically failed in his role. There is so much evidence against his and his fellow “experts” previous advice that they must no longer be taken seriously by the public. This goes without saying for pretty much all of the so called “experts”.
  
  The longer these people remain in the MSM/public eye, the larger their falls from grace will be.
  
  They have proved to be reckless in their advice. If I were one I’d asap revoke all my contracts with MSM/Government/Pfizer immediately, sell up, and slink back into my cave, well out of public view.
  
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  July 18, 2022 3:24pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Back in the ‘80s Leslie Holborow as VC of VUW was given the honorific Prof title as he was embarrassed at not having a PhD.
    
    Caused some chatter among the academic staff, I can tell you.
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:26pm
- Mummy
  
  Baker talking to Sean Plunket a couple of months ago. In here he explains how they arrive at the death statistics in NZ and says that it actually takes months for a team of MOH people to go through all the death certificates categorising cause of death. Which is why there aren’t any recent numbers available on flu deaths, for example. Covid is exactly the same. Worth a listen. https://youtu.be/fJ9No2KO3Ns
  
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  July 18, 2022 5:39pm
graham

Is this misinformation from TVNZ News? Or just good old-fashioned stupidity?

Maggy Wassilieff posted last night that Daniel Faitaua had reported on TVNZ One News that “expected temperatures in UK tomorrow will melt railway lines.”

Yes, you read that right. TVNZ News is claiming that 40 degree heat may very well *MELT* steel railway lines.

And they’re not the only ones propagating this misinformation/alarmism. The Express in the UK carried the headline that “Train companies already CANCEL services as warning of HEAT melting tracks”. At least with the Express, when you read the story you find that what they really mean is that the rails might bend or buckle in the heat.

This from the mainstream media, who loudly cry “DON’T TRUST SOCIAL MEDIA!!! It’s full of misinformation. Trust us! We fact check everything, we never deceive or use misleading headlines, we uphold the highest standards of journalistic integrity.”

Sigh.

And then they sob into their soy lattes, “But WHY don’t the people trust us?”
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July 18, 2022 8:42am
- Master Mariner
  
  Like any useful Engineer will know, That steel expands and contracts due to heat/cold and hence have expansion gaps fitted for this very purpose.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Same with the Auckland Harbour bridge. Look close where there is no road seal, just a whole lot of steel ‘fingers’ That is the expansion gap.
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:53am
  - Taieri
    
    That steel expands and contracts due to heat/cold and hence have expansion gaps fitted for this very purpose.
    ————-
    
    Not anymore. The modern method of welding rail tracks is by thermite welding. The rail is heated before welding and then laid at the so called neutral temperature, which is estimated considering its location, climate and so on.
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:56am
- Flossie
  
  Then he went on to say that the expected temperature “tomorrow” was 32 degrees… possibly as much as 40 in the ensuing two days.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:34am
- Ehlana
  
  Reminds me of receiving solemn instructions from a supplier to keep their production below 1500C or so as it would otherwise melt.
  
  I figured if the temperature at work ever reached 1500C, it wouldn’t be my problem anymore.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t expect reporters/journalists to know the melting points of metals off pat… but I do expect them to know the meaning of the word… MELTING..
  
  i.e. a solid turning into a liquid.
  
  How someone can equate the thermal expansion of a railway line (buckling) with melting is beyond me.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:18am
  - Souvlaki
    
    The ONLY explanation is Faitaua is truly a moron.
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:34am
    - graham
      
      If so, it’s not just Faitaua. “The Express” in the UK carried the headline that “Train companies already CANCEL services as warning of HEAT melting tracks”.
      
      There might possibly be a bit of “fear-porn” going on here …
      
      “OMG!! The train tracks are going to *MELT*!!! It must be that Climate Change™ we keep hearing about!!! We’re all going to DIE!“
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:47pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Maggy, this is something the UK rail network is subject to nearly every summer. As identified above it is all to do with the thermal welding of track joints.
    
    The railway track in the UK has two problems:
    1. Air temperature range extremes, which are from sub zero degrees Celsius in winter to plus 32 degrees Celsius in summer. The number of extreme days at ever end of the range are rare, but they do happen none the less; and
    2. The volume of train traffic on the lines – multiple trains per hour is common on much of the UK network, so wear & tear is that much greater and the heat of passing trains does not allow sufficient time for the track (and joints to cool).
    
    Because maintenance isn’t what it should be & because of the above realities, it is not unusual for trains to travel at reduced speeds over stretches of the UK rail network to minimise the risk of buckling the track & consequential derailment.
    
    Such explanations would never be a good headline, so talk of track melting makes better headlines and the journalists don’t need to look further into the story.
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:59pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      All of the points made by HullKiwi also apply more so across Western Europe, not to mention Japan and coastal China.
      
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      July 18, 2022 8:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The lefties changing the targets again?
  The melting point of steel has been changed by “Regulation” How ’bout that amount of power?//
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:55am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Ok but don’t confuse air temperature with radiant heat temperature. Metal in the sun especially if not shiny will get much hotter than the air.
    
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    July 18, 2022 6:43pm
Simon

Have looked at Sri Lanka and perhaps someone could comment.

The problem was the switch from chemical fertilizer to organic. There was a resulting drop in production / revenue and Covid 19 measures pushed Sri Lanka over the edge.

The problem was the organic fertilizers work but the soil needs around 10 years to adapt but of course in the meantime their are yield issues.

Questions if anyone knows. Do the organic fertilizers work? (not in the short term of course) And does the soil need a lot of time to adapt?
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July 18, 2022 8:45am
- Hebe123
  
  I don’t know about large scale ag. But certainly at a smaller scale organic farming is all about building up the soil, building humus and the soil food web by adding “greens and browns” year on year. Its about encouraging beneficial insects who deal with the pest insects. Its a massively complex system. I would think it would take 5+ years to build reasonable soil and be well on your way – but probably 10 years to get it all humming.
  However, if they are talking about using organic fert, we just mean artificial fert that doesn’t use petrochemicals, right? I don’t believe such products exist in any useful form. Even “industrial organic” (think the thousands of acres of hydroponic lettuces grown in California to supply the US) doesn’t work like this. For hydroponics they provide liquid nutrients (I believe mostly ocean sources such as seaweed emulsion) and avoid sprays by, for instance, growing inside in a climate controlled environment, but its not really organic in the spirit of things and I don’t think it works in soil.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:15am
  - Simon
    
    thanks very useful
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:34am
- Matt Long
  
  The problem is the transition to organic takes a lot of time and effort and careful attention to inputs and may still not be successful. What Sri Lanka did was zero input farming, government led.
  Imagine Trevor caring for your children as a simile.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:15am
- Master Mariner
  
  Who cares,
  Its the ESG score that counts and WOW have they done well.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:26am
- Taieri
  
  Do the organic fertilizers work?
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  To answer this question consider why non-organic fertilizers were invented?
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:37am
kowtow

If the Cops can be prosecuted under H&S legislation then surely the gangs should be be too .
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July 18, 2022 8:47am
- Ehlana
  
  Indeed. Every time I hear how the public should pay for testing of recreational drugs to make sure they are safe for users, I wonder why these people are willing to buy from suppliers who care so little for their customers. And how many such folk drive EVs, or shop organic and complain about uncaring capitalists.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:01am
  - peterwn
    
    Well, 50 years ago the Police did successfully prosecute someone for fraud who sold a bag of grass clippings claiming it was pot.
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:37am
K

Spotted this morning on the corner of Whitmore Street and Featherston Street. A four storey electronic billboard in the distinctive Soviet poster style. A healthy looking older woman doing some form of manual labour. The message? “Supporting our Heroes. NZ Super”.
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July 18, 2022 8:49am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5nxxL6-aY0

Kiwi Voice talks to Debbie Cunliffe from Nurses for Freedom.

After Debbies appearance on “The Project”, we thought we should counter somewhat with a conversation with a little more balance. NFF are doing great work to assist and connect with lovely people in the healthcare sector, it was awesome to get Debbies point of view. [24:03]
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July 18, 2022 8:56am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyXpKzQdEA4

TFRC Healthcare March 16th July 2022

Hundreds marched the streets of Christchurch again today to protest against the continuing healthcare V mandate keeping so many nurses out of work. A beautiful winters day in Christchurch, with great speeches and great vibes. [23:29]
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July 18, 2022 8:56am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F17JeRTDyyY

How China’s Banking Crisis Could hit the World.

China’s economy is struggling at the moment, and has been for a while. So in this video we look at the latest looming issue, China’s banking crisis. It’s small at the moment, but it could eventually impact the entire world. [8:25]
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July 18, 2022 8:56am
Aunty

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Did anyone else notice the sheer number of death notices in the NZ Herald on Saturday? It must be something of a record. On closer examination, I noticed that many of these were in the old old, 80+ age category. It certainly looks like Covid is cutting a swath through our elderly, just as it has done overseas.

But then I thought how could this be because this blogs resident biological and medical whackjobs – oops I mean geniuses – who do all their own research – have quite clearly told us that Covid doesn’t kill anybody, is a few sniffles, and if anyone does die from Covid they didn’t die from it but with it. And that we don’t have excess deaths anyway.

Well, what a bunch of dumbasses they have all turned out to be. Everything they have predicted about Covid has turned out to be wrong. They wouldn’t, to use that glorious expression, know shit from clay.
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July 18, 2022 8:57am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Aunty – have a wee look in the mirror, that’s not clay. But good on you for noticing that all cause mortality is on the increase.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/all-cause-mortality-effects-of-covid
  
  All cause mortality is rising everywhere in the world and it isn’t covid causing it. In fact, the higher the vax rate, the higher the rate of all cause mortality.
  It’s certainly starting to look like there is a rise in vax related deaths and of course, deaths due to inane covid policies.
  Lack of early diagnosis of serious illness, lack of access to treatment and surgery, depression, increased family violence etc. All these outcomes were warned about, but Ardern, Trudeau and others carried on regardless.
  
  Now we’re reaping the whirlwind. As predicted. It will only get worse.
  Good on you for helping raise the topic.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Aunty – nobody I know said covid won’t kill anybody. What most did say is that the “cure” will be far worse than the disease – it is. Fact.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:12am
  - blue collar
    
    Wow ! I wonder what it’s like to be so scared ?. Must be boring for Aunty hiding under her bed all day
    
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    July 18, 2022 8:50pm
- graham
  
  Quick question, Aunty.
  
  Do you know how many people die of the flu each year in New Zealand?
  
  This link may help:
  
  https://www.otago.ac.nz/otagomagazine/issue45/inbrief/otago664450.html
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:13am
  - marcw
    
    A very useful link to reality, thanks. It’s not obvious in the link, but this issue of the Otago University magazine was published in October 2017.
    
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    July 18, 2022 11:43am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s the year we dropped our established, tried and trusted pandemic preparedness plans. Funny that!
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Notice the guy on the left in disguise? He is everywhere.
    
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    July 18, 2022 12:04pm
- All_on_Red
  
  How is Swedens’ results looking now?
  Better than ours?
  With respect (not really) I dont think you realise that what is happening now is proving a lot of people wrong (you) and a lot right (not you).
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    AoR – please supply data or links to support you’re assertions. I’m happy to discuss the subject with you or anyone.
    As with everything about the covid circus, real debate has been shut down. Real, prominent experts were smeared and vilified for daring oppose the narrative, but you can’t suppress the truth forever. A recent win.
    Twitter reversing a ban after they were threatened with legal action for suppressing a factual tweet.
    
    https://reclaimthenet.org/twitter-reverses-censorship-andrew-bostom/
    
    Not everybody has the money or time to do that sadly.
    As was stated at the beginning of the covid circus, it was always going to take time for real world data to emerge that would show that the policies implemented in early 2020 were inane and would cause more harm than good. That evidence is emerging faster and faster, but as per the above example, it is still heavily censored. Recent changes to recording of covid “cases” etc just one example of narrative massaging.
    
    Here’s more evidence showing the disastrous impacts of the policies we were subjected to.
    
    https://dailysceptic.org/2022/07/16/vaccine-effectiveness-turns-negative-against-serious-disease-and-death-data-from-the-netherlands-and-canada-show/
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:48am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Clan, I agree with you…
      Swedens results are better than ours and for a lot less damage to their economy.
      
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      July 18, 2022 10:59am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        AoR – Apologies, lack of coffee, I didn’t read your post properly.
        
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        July 18, 2022 11:26am
  - James Stephenson
    
    According the the WHO, Sweden have about half the global average excess death rate (for comparison, Germany is pretty much bang on the average).
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:50am
    - septic skeptic
      
      I think a lot of variation in comparative death rates between countries is down to testing and reporting differences.
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:07pm
- Matt Long
  
  Are they taking D3, Zinc, C etc. as advised? No, you mean that advice has still not being given? My parents are nearly 90, both have considerable lists of life threatening conditions, they have been following the best advice available on Covid and got through without being remarkably sick.
  The UK data on Covid deaths earlier in the year showed the average age of deaths attributed to Covid was higher than that for all deaths.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:53am
- Phronesis
  
  That’s a direct result of the summer lock downs. Not only did the geniuses root the economy but they managed to delay the omicron spike till the depths of winter where it was always going to do the most damage. The forecast for cases in the next fortnight is massive as people are inside and have low vitamin d levels. We should have been doing this in February. Those lock downs will kill a lot of people.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:05am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Seriously – what has been said often and consistently is that this virus (Covid19) is no real threat to the younger and healthy members of the population.
  
  Will a respiratory virus harvest a lot of the elderly? Answer is yes. And the answer is yes every year, regardless of whether the respiratory virus is Covid or Influenza or another virus group.
  
  Because Covid will target the elderly and those who have other conditions that seriously weaken their immune systems (Obesity, Diabetes, etc etc) is no reason to force a therapeutic of dubious efficacy on the general population or impose lock downs and by doing so destroy healthy peoples income streams and their mental health
  
  Aunty you are seriously deluded if you think the governments response to Covid19 has been anything short of creating and feeding a mass hysteria found in nothing but poor modelling and panic…
  
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  July 18, 2022 12:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The all died in alphabetical order….
  
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  July 18, 2022 1:53pm
- Taieri
  
  It certainly looks like Covid is cutting a swath through our elderly, just as it has done overseas.
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  Balls, bollocks and balderdash as per the following:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/129192579/patients-sick-in-pain-wait-weeks-to-see-their-gp-in-ongoing-health-crisis
  
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  July 18, 2022 2:03pm
- Local Miller
  
  Excellent Aunty, take a single data point and build a thesis on it. Did you ever think to actually look at the data?
  From the Ministry of Heath’s “reported cases”
  Deaths = 1,785
  Cases = 1,508,728 Note this doesn’t include the many thousands who have not reported their Covid Positive status.
  So just based on the official numbers Mortality is at 0.118%, or 1.2/1000.
  Then the minister has clearly stated that these numbers include “all deaths within 28 days of a positive test”.
  Since the average recovery time is 7 days (actually probably less) why is a death 21 days after recovery still counted as “dying from”?
  So quite to the contrary, it is we who are correct, and you who are wrong.
  
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  July 18, 2022 5:16pm
I remember when

When evaluating the Irish results, against the All Blacks, we must accept that Andy Farrell is probably the best rugby coach in the world at present.
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July 18, 2022 8:58am
- crikey
  
  Well…No. The resurgence of Irish rugby started from the foundation laid by Joe Schmidt, so there are many people to whom credit is due.
  
  Wonder what Schmidt could do for NZ rugby if he was head coach.
  
  Considering coaching staff, who is the ABs defensive coach at the moment (I presume they have one).
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:20am
- Prince
  
  Second, behind Fabien Galthié
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:11am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf to myself 😀

Overheard my partner yesterday telling one of his mates…..
if the new All Blacks coach isn’t a trans person of color born with anisomelia then we’ve learned nothing.
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July 18, 2022 9:03am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  I guess your partner was wearing pink when speaking like that as I doubt any rugby player or fan would? You give yourself up again Maggie.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:21am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Just showed my partner your response Ronald.
    He said the only person around here likely to give anybody up would be you.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:33am
  - mandk
    
    Yay! Just what we need for a Monday morning.
    
    A snide, humourless lefty.
    
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    July 18, 2022 9:46am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Brian, the Harlequins Rugby Club Jersey has a pink square in it, does that count?
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The karaka poison problem

How toxic are untreated karaka kernels?

Last week Matt Long commented that he didn’t think Karaka fruits were that toxic.

The fact is we do not know how much of a raw kernel needs to be ingested by an adult before toxic effects are noticed.

We now know that the toxic compounds in karaka kernels are converted into nitropropionic acid (NPA) when digested.

NPA is toxic to mammals and there is no antidote for it. – hence there have never been any trials to determine its toxicity level in humans.

I can only find one report recording the death of a child from eating karaka berries – from 1891.
However most folks in NZ have been warned that the berries of karaka are poisonous…and refrain from ingesting them.

NPA is produced naturally by some mould fungi and has been implicated in the poisoning of people eating mouldy sugar cane.

The most recent case of NPA poisoning is of a Norwegian boy…and the cause was undetermined (perhaps contaminated flour from Turkey).

Some references:
Quantification of nitro-toxins in karaka drupes
https://researchcommons.waikato.ac.nz/handle/10289/7566

Death from Karaka Berry poisoning
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18911229.2.11

A pioneer study on human 3-nitropropionic acid intoxication
https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jat.4259
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July 18, 2022 9:22am
- Matt Long
  
  How do they figure lethal dose on other toxins Maggie?
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Seems they extrapolate from animal studies and add in a safety margin ….but that may not be always a good indicator.
    
    Hence for NPA:
    The oral lethal dose for mice is 68 mcg/g but the toxic dose for humans is not known, and rodents are likely to be more resistant to toxicity, in agreement with the lack of symptoms in the mouse experiment.
    
    Fatal 3-Nitropropionic Acid Poisoning after Consuming Coconut Water
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7774558/
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:45am
All_on_Red

What did the Germans use before Candles?
Natural Gas and Nuclear Power
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2022/07/deutsche-bank-says-germans-may-need-to-switch-from-gas-to-wood-for-heating-this-winter-is-wood-to-gas-for-cars-next/
For the good of humanity we probably shouldn’t let Green Party members vote.
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July 18, 2022 9:32am
- Inandout
  
  AoR, we may need more of these burners on cars.
  https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-wood-gas-burners-used-in-vehicles-during-WW2-work?share=1
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:53am
- kowtow
  
  Merkel wasn’t a Green and she closed the nukes as well as helped drive out their brown coal energy generation.
  
  During the Trump years I recall an article in the press claiming she was the true leader of the free world.
  
  I’m begining to think she must have been a Soviet mole .
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:39am
  - cmm
    
    She thrived in East Germany. Hard to do that without being a Soviet.
    
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    July 18, 2022 3:30pm
- hullkiwi
  
  AoR, even worse, July was the second month in a row, in which the sales of cars with conventional internal combustion engines exceeded vehicles with electric & hybrid engines in Germany.
  
  On no, is the world coming unhinged?
  
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  July 18, 2022 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

When my partner just retweeted this….. the first person I thought of was ‘SteveO-on-the-Nrth-Shore’ and his Landcruiser 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/MrTrendwatch/status/1548342836939988992
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July 18, 2022 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Need a second mortgage
  
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  July 18, 2022 12:20pm
Captain Mainwaring

Does anyone know if the part time Prime Minister is back in the country yet? Or is she lying on a tropical beach in Fiji?
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July 18, 2022 10:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Don’t know, don’t care, just enjoying the relative peace and quiet and lack of “I refude that” comments.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:16am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I was hoping she might have showed up at the rugby on Saturday night, and would have been interested to see how the Wellington crowd reacted to her…
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:19am
  - Hebe123
    
    She really needs that offshore posting as she will never be able to leave her house without security again – for the rest of her life. I honestly believe she is that polarising and that hated by many for her lies and actions. She has destroyed so many lives.
    
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    July 18, 2022 12:21pm
- cas
  
  According to Michael Wood who was deputising for JA and Robbo on the AM show this am, there is no Cabinet today. So I guess she is on holiday. I would have thought Cabinet would have had more than a few things to talk about but perhaps nothing worrying is happening in NZ. ( Apart from the All Blacks loss)
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems she is off to New York in September. That means about 5 to 6 weeks here to work for NZ.
  I suspect an unofficial personal trip to be done.
  
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  July 18, 2022 12:19pm
- Paulus
  
  Assume she getting ready for her next overseas trip – I have heard China soon, and others to follow this year.
  She has been in the New Zealand Parliament twice (2) this year since April – to busy doing her CV.
  
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  July 18, 2022 1:25pm
  - Alwynn
    
    “She has been in the New Zealand Parliament twice (2) this year since April”
    That statement is quite false. The House sat for 6 days in April. She answered questions on 4 of those days.
    It sat for 10 days in May. She answered questions on 2 days in the house and on 2 days remotely.
    It sat for 11 days in June and she answered questions on 4 of those days.
    She was clearly there for far more than the 2 days you claim. Do you usually make up such easily exposed false claims?
    
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    July 18, 2022 5:48pm
Yvette

Three waters
IT system project could top $500m, warns National
That means it will be residents forking out through water rates under pricing schemes yet to be decided by the new entities under the oversight of water regulator Taumata Arowai.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/471126/three-waters-it-system-project-could-top-500m-warns-national

Maybe it is not the IT blow-out that is important here, but the governing status of Taumata Arowa (no English equivalent) which in turn is governed by a Maori Advisory Board and that governed (chaired) by Ms Tipa Mahuta.

So what of the “co-governance” at lower 4 entity ‘regional level’?
While that is a betrayal of the one person, one vote principle, is the preposed “co-governance” – semi-elite Maori – at lower 4 entity ‘regional level’, actually betrayed in turn by the top real elite Maori position of the Maori Advisory Board, and its Chair, Tipa Mahuta?

Is Taumata Arowa and “3 Waters” a cultural Ponzi scheme?
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July 18, 2022 10:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something nice and long for the Public Sector employees. Came from FB Memories so I could not turn it into a link. Scroll if you don’t want to read.

By now you will have guessed that Public Servants get up my left nostril:
HAVE YOU GOT WHAT IT TAKES TO JOIN THE PUBLIC SERVICE?
Welcome to this year’s public service exam.
I see that all of you have been able to find yourself a seat and desk so obviously you’ve got what it takes to be public servants.
Should you pass this exam and become a member of the public service, you will enjoy not only the esteem and envy of all your friends but also a unique package of fringe benefits, including:
* An early retirement scheme which allows you to retire while still turning up for work
* flexitime which enables you to decide when you don’t want to work at work and when you don’t want to work away from work
* free use of government stationery (this has been facilitated by the introduction of eight-items-or-less lanes as you leave the building.
I must at this stage warn all examinees that anyone found cheating or copying from their neighbour’s paper will be automatically assigned to Parliament – regardless of whether they fail the intelligence test … ESPECIALLY if they fail the intelligence test..
MATHEMATICS:
Please answer the following question in the spaces provided on your answer sheet.
If you went to lunch at 12 noon and came back to work at 2:30pm how long have you had for lunch?
The answer of course is half an hour.
For those who failed the maths test, you may still be eligible to become Mr English’s tax policy adviser.
MULTIPLE CHOICE:
1. If you are about to take your lunch break and a female member of the general public comes with an enquiry, you should address her by saying:
a) Can I help you, madam?
b) Can I help you, miss?
c) What can I do you for, mate?
d) How’s tricks chick?
The correct answer is ‘none of the above’. This is a trick question. If you are about to take your lunch break, you shouldn’t talk to her at all.
2. If a member of the general public phones up with a complaint and you realize that the file on this matter has been lost. You should say:
a) We are looking into the matter
b) Can I get back to you on this one?
c) The matters have been referred to another committee
d) I haven’t had a chance to look into it yet.
The correct answer is that you should tell them that they have the wrong telephone extension.
SPELLING:
Spell the following words
a) Tea
b) Sickie
c) Lunchbreak
d) Go-slow
This is the end of the examination. Please sign your exam paper illegibly and pass it to those collecting them, while denying that you have ever seen or heard anything about it.
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July 18, 2022 10:13am
ClanMcleod

Here’s what the Russians are most terrified of.

“This is the threat facing Russia”

https://twitter.com/N_kadar/status/1548067756519501831

Apparently an observant Russian diplomat reposted it and changed the text to:

“This is the threat facing the west”

I think he was right.
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July 18, 2022 10:15am
- kowtow
  
  It is literally a freak show.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:42am
- cmm
  
  The one on the left looks a bit like Grace Hopper (the COBOL lady).
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Apparently it’s 4 star admiral Rachel Levine.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2GFVLbFPfg
    
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    July 18, 2022 10:54am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Woman of the Year’
      
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      July 18, 2022 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Needs pink hair
      
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      July 18, 2022 12:23pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      That person is in the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps and is not an Admiral in the UN or USCG
      
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      July 18, 2022 2:27pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That person has a wikipedia profile that says they are a 4 star admiral. It doesn’t say in which service and nor did I.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine
        
        Mind you, wikipedia also says Michael Baker is an epidemiologist when he’s actually nothing more than a bureaucratic trougher of the worst kind.
        He has never practiced medicine.
        
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        July 18, 2022 8:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And what about the color mismatch between the navy-blue dress and the shoes? That’s a fashion crime for a start 🙁
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those sheilas are blokes.
  
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  July 18, 2022 12:22pm
Rusty

Mike Ma Baker is the most depressing, doom and gloom health spokesman this country has ever produced.

This man is out of touch with everyday reality and thinks anyone getting sick of covid is somehow their fault for not listening to him.
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July 18, 2022 10:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Rusty – he’s a WHO shill, has been for many years. A beige, boring pandemicist who has dreamed of fame and glory. This is his moment. Unfortunately for him it’s the end of his reputation. He’ll retire soon, certainly nobody will employ him.
  
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  July 18, 2022 12:22pm
  - Ross Campbell
    
    He is far from the only one who has found his calling with Covid.
    We have had knitting groups, yoga gurus, preachers, MP’s, anonymous bloggers and a variety of other shady characters with no expertise in this area suddenly become overnight experts in the field.
    One might conclude a lot of people with not so honest motives are benefiting from all this.
    
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    July 18, 2022 12:35pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Agreed Mike – a fat women with pink hair and her mathematician mate who couldn’t count spring to mind.
      
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      July 18, 2022 3:59pm
    - RightNow
      
      Yeah… big pharma and their bought politicians
      But hey, Thalidomide was a long time ago, I’m sure they’re honest now.
      Except for all those other times they got busted, like the 2.3 billion dollar fine in 2009
      
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      July 18, 2022 7:01pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The only people who benefited from this circus are those who supported Brenda and her bullshit narrative. Anyone who dared disagree or dissent was viciously bullied or punished. Even when they spoke provable truth.
      Baker on the other hand is a liar based on his own words. Like Brenda. Frauds and charlatans.
      
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      July 18, 2022 8:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Poor Joe. I genuinely feel sorry for the man, and detest the Dems for using him as they do.
https://dailypatriotreport.com/watch-brutal-teleprompter-gaffe-by-joe-biden/
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July 18, 2022 10:19am
- cmm
  
  Sure, the senile old coot should not be judged by how he acts now. He should be judged by how he acted up to 5 or so years ago.
  And based on that he deserves every thrust of the rogering he’s getting.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:32am
- Bluegrass
  
  Did you feel sorry for the Ceaușescu’s?
  
  Biden and his handlers are magnitudes worse.
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:57pm
Maggie Pie

Everybody we know believes all this ‘trans’ shit needs to be a red line.
We can’t go on living in a world of fiction and make believe.

Just saying.
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July 18, 2022 10:25am
- cmm
  
  But pretty much the whole world is a fiction.
  
  Less than 20% of people are involved in actually making stuff that people really need:
  * food and water
  * shelter
  * medical/health
  * energy
  
  The rest, ie the majority, are involved in creating tat, manipulating people to consume it or finding ways to waste the resources created by very few productive people.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Soon there will be no golden eggs. The NET producer and NET Taxpayer will just give up. Too much weight on the shoulders.
    See what my Grandfather did in my 8.31 comment. He just had a fucking gutsful.
    
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    July 18, 2022 12:29pm
    - GJM
      
      The difference between your grandfather’s time and now is there is nowhere left to,run. He at least could walk away and apart again in a free country. They don’t exist anymore.
      
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      July 19, 2022 8:26am
- mogg
  
  I heard in the UK leadership debate they are talking about ‘a woman born into a woman’s body’.
  Vote Badenoch!!
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:44am
- Ross Campbell
  
  “We can’t go on living in a world of fiction and make believe”.
  As long as we have alternative news sites where the owners make a living out of spreading lies to the uninformed and gullible who then further propagate this stuff via social media, blogs and other forums I can’t see anything changing.
  In fact it’s only getting worst.
  
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  July 18, 2022 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Mike.
    And I agree with you. Uptick sonny.
    
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    July 18, 2022 12:31pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Remember Mags the people asking you to mask up and trust the science are the same people that believe men can have a period.
  
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  July 18, 2022 4:00pm
cmm

Westport’s pie shop is getting slightly adventurous with goat and wallaby.

Still a way to go to match the pie shop that was in Hout bay, Cape Town, that sold whatever they could lay their hands on. Regulars included: wart hog, giraffe, buffalo and -my favourite – crocodile.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/300639242/is-there-anything-westports-pie-lady-wont-put-in-a-pie
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July 18, 2022 10:30am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’ve quoted it before but how could you go past the Roadkill Cafe north of Alice? Slogan: You Kill’em, We Grill’em.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  True, but it’s hard to get the crocs in Westport
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:41pm
- Bluegrass
  
  Would the Kiwi equivalent, going back pre-Colonial, be Long Pig?
  
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  July 18, 2022 9:59pm
ClanMcleod

Yesterday I put a post up from 2020 with evidence how we were warned about the disastrous outcomes of inane covid policies and that those who dared point this out were either vilified, smeared, censored, deplatformed or a combination of some or all of these.

Rodney Hide asked me to post further reminders of the hypocrisy, lies and narrative control employed by Ardern and her bevy of experts since the start of the covid circus.

Here’s a good video challenging Baker’s mask fetish. It includes evidence of Ardern, Baker, Bloomfield and a host of others doing a complete U turn on their mask advice. No, not because the “science” changed. In fact, the bulk of evidence that has emerged thanks to now available empirical evidence, clearly show masks are next to useless at stopping infection or transmission of aerosol based viruses.

“Challenging Epidemiologist Michael Baker on Face Masks & Mass Masking”
https://rumble.com/vtas4i-january-25-2022.html
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July 18, 2022 10:32am
- surfing
  
  So, why do nurses not catch covid from covid patients?
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:04am
  - Hebe123
    
    I would guess that nurses have pretty good immune systems. There was some suggestion early on in this ‘pandemic’ that recent exposure to other coronaviruses, for instance, may be protective. I’m guessing that nurses are exposed to everything with regularity.
    
    But saying that nurses are not catching covid from patients? where do you get that idea? Those dealing with known covid patients wear face shields as well as masks remember, and they wear properly fitted medical grade masks, which will provide some very limited protection.
    
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    July 18, 2022 12:23pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They do. That’s why the hospitals are under pressure. That and the mask mandates.
    
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    July 18, 2022 12:23pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Of course they do – it’s one of the reasons our health system is such a clusterfuck.
    
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    July 18, 2022 4:02pm
- surfing
  
  More to the point, covid has weakened into just a common cold, we need to remove ALL restrictions .
  
  The vaccination no longer works well enough either. The virus has mutated too far, pfizer etc aren’t interested in updating the vaccine as people don’t really want it .
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:08am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘The vaccination no longer works well enough either. ‘
    
    Did it ever “work”.
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:22pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      No. Well, possibly for a few weeks but any protection was short term. Waned rapidly and created more problems than any benefit it gave.
      
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      July 18, 2022 8:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is some lovely bullshit from someone we all know at 25.40 in. Cover eyes and ears.
  
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  July 18, 2022 12:44pm
mandk

Can we invite Kemi Badenoch to lead the Nats, if she doesn’t win the UK Tory race?
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July 18, 2022 10:44am
- MCōs
  
  Can’t the Nats rustle up anymore homegrown talent?
  They’ve certainly tried.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:56am
greybeard

I see that Stuff has given Andrea Vance’s book some publicity today, as its anti-National item to start the week.
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July 18, 2022 10:45am
- Tricati
  
  I saw her on with Ryan Bridge this morning and he asked her about Labour’s churn of leaders, to which she had to acknowledge she could have written about that as well – But she didn’t. Just another National hit piece announced to when inflation hits 7.3% seems a bit coincidental.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:07am
Suze Wainwright

Looks like NZ Skeptics believes the Taxpayers’ Union is spreading misinformation about Three Waters…
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July 18, 2022 10:53am
- H. Upmann
  
  Skeptic organisations are just another “follow the mainstream” bunch of apologists. They are skeptical of anyone with an independent view.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:31am
70andstilllearning

So the CPI is out, higher than the pundits predicted ( quelle surprise!!).
According to Robbo’s shills at Stats it’s all due to “housing and household utilities”. They use the phrase nine times in the release. Wonder what Robbo’s going too blame when he’s interviewed by the MSM! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/consumers-price-index-june-2022-quarter/
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July 18, 2022 11:18am
- Philview
  
  I can imagine the figure has been manipulated and is more like 9%.
  
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  July 18, 2022 11:41am
  - Paulus
    
    The inflation figures cannot be manipulated they are from a Government Department.
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:30pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      LOL. Like unemployment figures………
      
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      July 18, 2022 4:04pm
- mogg
  
  The important figure is non- tradeable or domestic inflation at 6.3%. That is Robertson’s inflation.
  Expect another .50% increase to the bank rate, mortgage holders are being crucified. Time to get rid of the children playing at politics, what we need is a grown-up government.
  
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  July 18, 2022 2:24pm
  - Drone
    
    @mogg many readers and contributors to this blog will remember mortgage interest rates in the 80s in the mid 20s so another few %% easy peasy.. Get over it..
    
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    July 18, 2022 6:51pm
- Hebe123
  
  Well electricity daily charges (lines companies) have gone up recently from 30c/day to 60c/day for low users. Courtesy of Megan Woods who decided it wasn’t fair that low users should pay a low daily rate because the poor people have big families and are thus high users….
  
  Cancellation of oil and gas exploration will have had some impact on power prices too as it will affect the way they price their current gas generation in the market. I’m sure its also had an impact on bottled and reticulated natural gas.
  
  Fuel has gone up massively.
  
  Water costs are going up up up with 3 waters.
  
  Rates just go up up up – they include wages of course, and construction costs.
  
  And i know that house prices are meant to fall, but I’m not sure how they can fall below the cost of an equivalent new build which is getting more expensive every day….
  
  So yeah, most of the cost increases can be directly pinned back to the gov.
  
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  July 18, 2022 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

I think most of us need to stop complaining about life.

There are literally people living in Panmure.
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July 18, 2022 11:27am
MCōs

For all you people who got out the wrong side of the bed this morning
https://twitter.com/milocomedy/status/1548715236399652865?s=21&t=dCeRhxSoFpPToRKnfx5bDA
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July 18, 2022 11:53am
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you another thing that is REALLY p*ssing me off….

I’ve still been unable to check MyLotto from last Saturday night!

Anyone else having the same probs? I’m starting to smell a rat here 🙁
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July 18, 2022 12:10pm
- Biscuit
  
  Bad news, Maggie…
  
  The original draw had one winner of Powerball…
  
  A tennis-playing citizen from one of the less-awful suburbs of Auckland…
  
  But new Lotto rules kicked on on Saturday night.
  
  You had to click ‘IT WERE ME!’ within 69 seconds of the draw for your claim to any loot to be valid.
  
  A fresh draw was conducted and I hear an inhabitant of Panmure won instead.
  
  You must be so happy!
  
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  July 18, 2022 1:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nothing would surprise me Bikkie!
    When I logged in on Friday to buy all my usual numbers, first I had to tick and agree to 69 new T&C’s !!
    
    I mean, who bothers reading all that shite?
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:30pm
    - Alwynn
      
      You silly little girl.
      If you didn’t read the T&Cs you won’t have noticed the one that said that if you didn’t opt out you agreed to all your winnings in perpetuity being donated to the New Zealand Labour Party campaign fund.
      If you didn’t opt out immediately there was no way to do it later.
      Leastways, that is what my mate Robbo said was there.
      Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
      
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      July 18, 2022 3:23pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😀 😀 😀
        
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        July 18, 2022 4:38pm
Hebe123

Anyone watched the Michael Pollan doco series on netflix about psychedelics?
In episode one, LSD, the Nixon war on drugs and the complicit media was raised. Yes, the complicit media that went from reporting the actual studies being done etc, to Evil Drugs, these are Dangerous etc etc.

Remind you of anything? That was nearly 50 years ago. I knew the media were bad now, but i guess i had rose tinted glasses on re the past.
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July 18, 2022 12:29pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Great doco to watch. But watch with an open mind. Nixo and Reagon had a moral war on drugs but you could argue that that were both very conservative and probably highly religious so it’s part of the territory. For me – each to their own at the end of the day.
  
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  July 18, 2022 1:17pm
waripori

Two things strike me about Robertson’s panicked move to keep the excise and RUC cuts in place.

1) In the face of apparently genuine evidence in Europe of the climate emergency it seems a bit hypocritical of this government to respond to a short term political problem by subsidising fossil fuels.

2) Robertson has carefully explained that the extension is not additional spending because it comes from unspent covid emergency funds. Leaving aside that it is all borrowed money, would it not have been prudent to keep an eye on how big the current spike in cases gets. Are they saying there will be no restrictions imposed that will affect businesses regardless of what happens in hospitals. That abundance of caution seems to be out the window.
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July 18, 2022 1:00pm
- All_on_Red
  
  What’s the ‘apparently genuine evidence in Europe of the Climate emergency”?
  Have they had a hot day
  
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  July 18, 2022 1:32pm
  - waripori
    
    They have had a fairly hot day. Also St Andrews looked a bit hard and fast without much rough.
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:42pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      St Andrews hard and fast?
      Its an emergency alright
      
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      July 18, 2022 4:04pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There are going to be (as always) vastly more people dying of winter cold this year than warmth. In UK every year about 1 in 2000 people dies due to winter cold. This year will be far worse due to enormous cost spikes in fuels (will hit poor worst) and failure of grids due to over-reliance on renewables and foolish shutting of fossil fuel plants.
  
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  July 18, 2022 2:02pm
- david
  
  It is not spending at all, the only way it could be accurately described is foregone tax revenue.
  
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  July 18, 2022 2:45pm
- cmm
  
  Alf: Robbo, we’ve got some guests coming over so you need to go to the supermarket for some drinks and nibbles. They aren’t top shelf guests so don’t spend more than $40.
  
  Half an hour later Robbo turns up carrying a massive bag chock full of bottles of wine and snacks.
  
  Alf: Hey Robbo this must have cost a bundle. How the hell did you get all this on a $40 budget?
  
  Robbo: Alf they didn’t make me Min Fin for nothing. I kept to the budget. I spent $40 on camembert, $39 on olives, $37 on chardonnay, just $43 on a red – but that was a special….
  
  Alf: It was supposed to be $40 for everything. {scans receipt} But it says here you spent $73 on smoked salmon. Explain that!
  
  Robbo: Well the peanuts were only $6, so that meant I had $34 left over and shifted it into the salmon budget. I could have spent $74 but I only spent $73, so I think that’s a dollar win!
  
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  July 18, 2022 3:19pm
  - greybeard
    
    That is good.
    Send it it Tim Dower at NewstalkZB, he is deputising for Hosking this week
    tim@newstalkzb.co.nz
    
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    July 18, 2022 3:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is how it works. Did not know Robbo had a degree in Comms?
    
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    July 18, 2022 4:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And that ladies and gentlemen, is why Alf is the bus driver.
    
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    July 18, 2022 4:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Who taught her this shit?
https://rumble.com/v1bryn9-vp-harris-i-believe-we-rightly-believed-but-certainly-believe….html?
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July 18, 2022 1:12pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Jacinda.
  
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  July 18, 2022 1:18pm
Maggie Pie

Sounds like 1ZB have got that National hating woke-leftard Tim Roxbrah filling in for Andrew Dickens today.
Even the way he speaks makes my skin crawl 🙁

Just did a quick google of his bio. Exactly as expected…a ginga!

In fact he looks sooo much like former Labor MP Darren Hughes, it’s spooky!! Wonder if they’re related?
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July 18, 2022 1:21pm
Tom Hunter

A couple of days ago a commentator here described their slow painful journey from Wellington to Auckland in an EV. I saw at least one, undetailed response from an obvious EVphile about how he didn’t have any problems.

Well, based on the following articlefrom an American EVphile it sounds like the first commentator is the one to be trusted – and he wrote this after, as he admits, rolling his eyes about an “EV sucks journey” he read in the WSJ:

As a smug EV evangelist and self-proclaimed EV expert, I rolled my eyes. “They just didn’t plan well enough,” I thought to myself, not realizing I was merely hoisting myself on my own petard. A few weeks later, it was time to drive from DC to Watkins Glen in the Finger Lakes region of New York, this time in a BMW iX. And despite plenty of planning, I still spent almost as much time stationary, arguing with charging machinery, as I did actually pulling electrons into the car’s battery pack throughout the 600-mile journey.

At each charging stop, in Virginia, Pennsylvania, and New York, I ran into problems. A five-minute wait to see if the car and charger would establish communications was invariably the case. Waiting 10 minutes was not uncommon. Even then, there was no time to relax; more than once, an error somewhere in the loop shut everything down after just a few kWh.

Exactly what the KB commentator described about his experience. I did appreciate this part also:
Frustration often got the better of me and I berated the white monoliths, channeling the spirit of Basil Fawlty to summon down all manner of ills upon them and their circuitry, to my shame. (But seriously, it’s all just so opaque. Why don’t they just bloody work?)
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July 18, 2022 1:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best thing to do would be throw away the battery and chuck in a big thumping V8
  
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  July 18, 2022 2:58pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Aren’t you a fan of Elon Musk and his EVs?
    
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    July 18, 2022 3:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike, you spelt V8 wrong. Musk does not make V8s anyway.
      See how easy it is to turn it, Ross?
      
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      July 18, 2022 4:23pm
Captain Mainwaring

So reducing the speed limit to 80 didn’t solve the problem then.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/129305765/one-dead-two-seriously-injured-in-threecar-crash-on-sh5
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July 18, 2022 2:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best make all roads 40kph – including motorways.
  Makes fuck al difference in Auckland.
  Btw, that $tuff link, the Police car seems to be going very fast – backwards…..
  
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  July 18, 2022 4:27pm
All_on_Red

Congrats to Scott Dixon on winning the Toronto Indy Race.
Win #52 has him equal second for most wins with Mario Andretti
Legend!
Highlights here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51UMIqyetk
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July 18, 2022 2:38pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweeted she’s had something very similar happen with Aramex….

https://twitter.com/RealDante12/status/1548763103994662912
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July 18, 2022 3:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No shit. Trump was onto it, and got beaten in 2020. How? You know how. Btw, how are you doing now? Look at the state of the place. America is in the gutter.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=730664078248018
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July 18, 2022 3:24pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

9News reporting yet another cruise ship has just docked in Sydney….fully-vaxxed crew and passengers hit with Covid outbreak.

YAWN.
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July 18, 2022 4:05pm
- Hebe123
  
  that’s not possible MP, they are sure to have had a few boosters too.
  
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  July 18, 2022 4:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Crew is OK, just ‘passengers?’ hit?
  Watch the lefties spin this like a top.
  Does anyone know what a ‘top’ is? Wood thing with a string. Way before yoyo and fidget spinners.
  Way off topic, but my game was slug gun – targets or down the gully shooting rats.
  
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  July 18, 2022 4:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We just got a ‘Salt-Gun’….
    got rid of those pigeons crapping on the glass roof.
    
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    July 18, 2022 5:14pm
kevn

@Maggie… Prob had to be jabbed with docos in order to book the cruise.
How sad…
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July 18, 2022 4:14pm
Scooter

Anyone know where Cindy is? I thought it was strange Grant made the announcement of the petrol discount extension (that should solve the 7.3%inflation). Is she hiding on some pacific Isle?
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July 18, 2022 5:10pm
All_on_Red

Good Samaritan with a gun stops a mass shooting in an Indiana Mall
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/07/17/breaking-good-guy-with-gun-takes-out-shooter-in-indiana-mall-shooting-n596870
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July 18, 2022 5:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  America will only be safe when it is compulsory for all the good guys to carry firearms.
  
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  July 18, 2022 5:57pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lower Hutt will only be safe when it is compulsory for all the groomers to be kept away from schools.
    
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    July 18, 2022 7:13pm
Hugh Jarse

Stats Department – 7.3% inflation
Robbo: Jacinda, hold my beer !
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July 18, 2022 6:03pm
Chris Nisbet

Sweet Jesus. I just heard James Shaw tell us he focusses on ‘fixing climate change’.
He will not ‘fix climate change’.
He could cover the country in trees and get rid of all animal life in the country and this would have _no_ effect on ‘climate change’.
He could spend every single tax dollar for the next hundred years trying to ‘fix climate change’, and would achieve nothing.
All he’s going to wind up doing is making all of our lives worse.
BTW, James,
– CO2 is not pollution.
– CO2 isn’t the climate control knob.
– You’re welcome.
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July 18, 2022 6:47pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Couldn’t he just climb Everest?
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  James is the climate control knob.
  
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  July 18, 2022 8:23pm
ClanMcleod

A less than flattering opinion piece on potential future UK Conservative Party leader Penny Mordaunt, comparing her to Ardern.

“Does the country really want its own version of a globalist authoritarian such as Jacinda Ardern, the Prime Minister of New Zealand who has decriminalised abortion and legalised euthanasia while relentlessly exercising her penchant for locking down the people of her land on the grounds depriving them of their liberties is good for their health?”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/beware-mordaunt-the-british-jacinda/

The facade is slipping.
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