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CJames

There are a lot of interesting undercurrents going on in the race to become the next British PM. As well as the Remainers/ Brexiteers and SE/ Red Wall, there are the Net Zero sceptics – even the BBC admits there are 50 MPs in this group. They have become a lot more vocal as energy costs skyrocket. And that is mainly from carbon taxes and cost of subsidies, not Putin. The MPs even have their own candidate, Kemi who is old style conservatism. Must be galling that someone of Nigerian ancestry is the most British of all of them. To quote, “she was was “not someone who doesn’t believe in climate change”, but she argued it was “wrong of us to set a target without having a clear plan of the cost and knowing what it would entail…. “Setting an arbitrary target like that is the wrong way to go… There is a better way of going about these things,”
Even Francis Menton in the US is writing about it.
https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2022-7-14-in-the-uk-some-political-movement-on-the-climate-scare
When will New Zealanders realise that they are having to pay a lot of money for the rich to get richer? There is the direct costs on energy -maybe thousands of dollars per family for just fuel and electricity. There are possibly bigger hidden costs for food – and they will rise with the new restrictions the government wants on meat and dairy products. Look why we are going to have to import pork and the cost of that. Taking farmland out of production for overseas magnates to plant unharvestable forests, and paying them to do it has to be near the silliest scheme so far. And of course, there is the massive cost of the bureaucratic empire to administer all the carbon reduction system.
What will make it worse is even if NZ impoverishes itself back to 3rd world status and becomes Net Zero, it will make no difference to the world. We may even be worse than Sri Lanka if the Greens get their way. China and India won’t care, just use us as another example as how stupid Westerners are. Of course the climate won’t be “improved”, but that was never the aim – just the current thing the elites with the support of sycophantic activists hang their hat on.
Which political party will break ranks and work to stop the stupidity? I despair that it will never be National and ACT is ambivalent.
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July 17, 2022 8:05am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Some of aotearoa’s cultural identifications might not put up with having to import pork…
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  The beauty of “Britishness” is that it can include anyone who wants to be part of the values and identity that that term can mean and include.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:26am
- Cassandra
  
  When reality bites feelings might change. At the very least NZ needs to minimize the damage, rather than trying to prove how green we are. Shooting yourself in the foot is not the way to do it.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:31am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    We all know that rational, balanced assessment of systemic cost benefits has almost nothing to do with the modern political process.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:00am
- Souvlaki
  
  And on this theme, Damien Grants column pointing out similarities between N Z & Sri Lanka.
  The question is, are we too stupid to see the obvious parallels…which stand out like balls on a dog! ?
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129269692/damien-grant-were-following-in-sri-lankas-footsteps?cid=app-android
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:32am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Many of aotearoa’s educated woke folk believe that Sri Lanka is some god-forsaken third world hellhole – totally removed from any reality here…
    
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    July 17, 2022 8:37am
  - Caleb
    
    Fair article.
    Don’t think he mentioned political leanings once, just politics and feelings. Yet in the comments it’s straight to left vs right, will each get us to this.
    Seems it’s our destiny for sure.
    
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    July 17, 2022 8:46am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The very same people who scoff at comparative trajectories today are the same ones who if told in 2019 that the government would lock millions in their homes, legislate for forced business closure and prevent those who declined an experimental genetic injectable from work or social society, these people would also have scoffed. Because they are shallow narrative worshipping lemmings.
    
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    July 17, 2022 8:51am
  - Taieri
    
    And the Stuff published this?…o tempora o mores!
    
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    July 17, 2022 9:13am
  - Bob
    
    …we too stupid to see the obvious parallels……
    
    YES Souvalaki, for about 52% of the NZ population; who no longer have the intellectual capacity to think for themselves, nor rationalise what they hear, see and read!
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:23am
- Scott
  
  One of the leading edges of the culture wars is climate change. Sri Lanka by government decree went to totally organic farming. This led to a severe shortage of food which led to rioting and the downfall of the government.
  
  A number of things stand out for me regarding climate change. Organic farming is very nice but will benefit mostly well off people who can afford designer organic food. Secondly is the world really getting warmer? And is it due to greenhouse gases? I know that I read a letter from a pastor in Greenland in the 12th century who noted that people were dying and people were leaving as the country was getting colder. Livestock were dying. Greenland used to be green pastoral land. So the world was warmer during the Medieval warming period and the world didn’t end.
  
  I am also sceptical about green energy. Some commentators online say that wind power and solar power are failures. They don’t add enough energy to the National Grid. That leads to blackouts. It is a fact that 80% of the world’s energy comes from fossil fuels.
  
  So yes I believe in looking after the environment. I also believe in prosperity and Western civilisation and the fact that all civilisation needs energy. In the foreseeable future that will come from fossil fuels. We need to accept that and stop leading ourselves into poverty.
  
  Climate change and green energy is really more of a religion. As it is Sunday I’m off to church in my SUV and I am thankful for the heat pumps that will keep us warm this Sunday morning.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:49am
  - Spoff
    
    Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth’s Climate
    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:46am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yep M Cycles for iceages and interglacials. Ocean heat movements, clouds and shock horror, that very very big ball of nuclear fusion hovering near us causing the other variations. Co2, not so much. The Co2 bandwagon was shonky and political from the beginning. Of course you won’t know that if your main info comes from the MSM and narrative-worshipping woke fact checkers.
      
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      July 17, 2022 1:04pm
  - I remember when
    
    Scott:
    Perhaps the biggest problem with the green revolution is their lack of understanding of economic consequences.
    It is only now that articles are starting to mention the printing of money as a cause of inflation.
    For many people inflation never becomes a real problem, however if your income is stationary each year’s inflation is cumulative.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:02am
  - leoj
    
    Re energy, Europe is in a panic over Putin shutting down the gas supply.
    
    No mention that Trump warned Germany that Putin could and would do just that.
    
    Of course the media could never stoop so low as to agree that Trump was correct.
    
    What a bunch of pathetic wimps there are in the mainstream media. NZ is similarly served – by idiots.
    
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    July 17, 2022 12:49pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I watched this talk by Robert Bryce yesterday. In his talk he outlines some of the problems with ‘green’ energy, and just how much of it would be needed to replace FF generation.
    It’s fairly old (7 years), but it’s still relevant today. Actually, he spends a little bit of time talking about the damage Germany is doing to itself, which turns out to be dead accurate given the dire state it’s in now (I just read that Russia has turned the gas tap off. Lol.).
    
    https://youtu.be/UAH0D9_v9Dc
    
    P.S. Some idiots think that the answer to Germany’s energy issues, brought on by idiotic net zero policies, is _more_ destructive ‘green’ generation. They really can’t be that stupid, which tells me that the destruction is deliberate.
    
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    July 17, 2022 3:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  National won’t break ranks because in the current environment they benefit by maintaining the status quo. However once ACT or some as-yet unformed party have >20% of the popular vote then National would be forced to play differently.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What like the Greens dictating yo the worst government we have ever had
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:13am
    - leoj
      
      What!
      As of now, Labour doesn’t need the Greens. Instead, the maori caucus is running the show.
      
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      July 17, 2022 12:39pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I know you don’t get it, but I’ll try anyhow. The ghastliness of Labour/Greens has only been possible because successive ‘right’ governments have steered left in pursuit of voters who had their hands out. If you want to see a Labour government again in future, vote National. If you want to see a change in New Zealand’s trajectory, vote Act.
      
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      July 17, 2022 2:54pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Reverse Colonial take over. Half the candidates were from former possessions of the Empire.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:18am
- Philview
  
  One of the candidates has been trying to distance herself from previous support of gender ideology and Self ID. NZ is the only country in the world with a Government legislating this extreme ideology and has managed to shut down debate on it.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am amazed the the Greens are still polling so high. 10 to 12% ?? There can’t be that many stupid people in NZ, or are the pollsters getting their results from selective areas.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:28am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s mostly Feelz driven young women, desperate for peer group approval, and trying to stick with what they perceive to be ‘fashionable’ views without stopping to consider obvious massive negative consequences of superficially kind/good choices.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:10am
  - Bob
    
    SO see my reply above to Souvalki 8.32 am today
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:25am
  - Media hater
    
    If the last two years or so have taught me anything, it is that at least 60 if not 70% of New Zealanders are stupid. Astonishingly so in many cases.
    
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    July 17, 2022 12:17pm
    - leoj
      
      Surely, you are referring to the numbskulls wearing a mask while driving alone.
      
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      July 17, 2022 12:41pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I was going to make a flippant comment about the average Kiwi not being too bright; and half of Kiwis being below average.
      
      Actually, I think that many people struggle to accept that our politicians can be either so dumb or so motivated to enact laws that weaken our society. Surely that sort of thing doesn’t happen here in NZ. Myself, I find it difficult to accept that Jacinda, Grant & co would deliberately advance policies that push us away from our inherited freedoms. And yet, the evidence points in that direction.
      
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      July 17, 2022 1:56pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I’d suggest a lower proportion are stupid, but the balance are disengaged because the economic and cultural terrorism of the left doesn’t really impact them. Yet. When it does they will hopefully wake up, and join those of us who want to see our country saved from neo-Marxism.
      
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      July 17, 2022 3:01pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Steve Otto – You will be surprised. Roughly 33% + 10% +3% = 46% of Kiwis are utterly stupid and have very low IQ.
    
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    July 17, 2022 5:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You can’t talk!!
      
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      July 18, 2022 9:59am
  - GJM
    
    Lots of people vote for a living. They make up the support for the watermelons and Labour communists.
    I have rellies like that. Thy have good paying jobs, live in Auckland inner city suburbs and vote green “because of the environment”. They eat meat, drink milk but post articles from thevegan religious activist Mike Joy about dairy farmers.
    Theirs would be the loudest screams if the Greens actually ran the show and taxed them because they are “rich”.
    
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    July 18, 2022 1:41pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  As I have posted before Pollies are only interested in power. When they see the citizens moving against them they always do a U turn. The alternative is to get voted out of power.
  IMHO at least 80% vote with their hip pocket. When they go into the voting booth with the pen poised over the ballot paper they ask themselves have the current Government delivered to them or not. That and only that determines their vote.
  Governments get voted OUT not voted in. As we will see at Election 23.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:45am
  - blue collar
    
    Exactly re voted in and out .
    Fortunately this govt is doing everything possible to get voted out .
    They hv 50% Maori and 50% of women .
    
    What hv they done for men and any other ethnicity ?
    
    The extra 5 days sick leave won a lot of blue collar votes last time , I can’t see any other way of bribing the plebs .
    Unless they legislated a 4 day work week .
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:46am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Election 23 has been already won by Cindy and her clowns. No doubt about that.
    
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    July 17, 2022 5:34pm
- Spoff
  
  In the race to become the next British PM, a new and possibly ideal candidate has emerged:
  “A Tory MP has been banned from driving for six months and fined £2,500 for smashing into a telegraph pole and fleeing the scene, leaving the car in the middle of the road. Jamie Wallis, who has represented Bridgend since 2019, was found guilty of failing to stop, failing to report a road traffic collision and leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position.
  He was found not guilty of driving without due care and attention.
  The MP was wearing a black leather mini-skirt, tights and high heels at the time of the crash, a court heard.”
  https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-wearing-mini-skirt-and-high-heels-in-road-crash-court-told-12649926
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:50am
- coge
  
  Note how British mass media were shilling a modelled heatwave. Which just turned out to be regular summer weather.
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:34pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Kemi Badenoch – the Anti-Woke, Pro-Free Speech Candidate – Jumps into Lead Among Conservative Party Members Who Will Elect Winner
  
  A new poll by Tory Party website ConservativeHome has seen previous frontrunner Penny Mordaunt dramatically replaced by Kemi Badenoch, the anti-woke and pro-free speech candidate, and with a huge lead of 11%. This is significant because those polled are the Conservative Party members who will elect the winner out of the shortlist of two sent over by MPs.
  
  Here’s Tony Young on Penny Mordaunt:
  
  Just flicking through Penny Mordaunt’s book. Glowing foreword by Bill Gates, full of praise for China, relentless promotion of the LGBTQ+ agenda, wants to ditch the MBE and OBE, thinks more ‘hate speech’ should be censored… Great pitch for the leadership… of the Labour Party.
  
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  July 17, 2022 2:50pm
  - mawm
    
    You know Mordaunt will win; she’s the WEF candidates.
    
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    July 17, 2022 4:12pm
- Justitia
  
  It will astonish many people I’m sure to learn that the 2 degrees Celsius policy target at the heart of the Paris Climate Change Agreement, and its 1.5 degrees Celsius offshoot, to which Net Zero is linked, are completely arbitrary and subjective. They are based on a 1995 recommendation by the German Advisory Council for Climate Change which drew on an obscure 1987 paper that in turn sought to establish a “tolerable temperature window” derived from computer generated mean global temperature ranges for the last interglacial period (about 120,000 years ago) and the last ice age which ended about 12,000 years ago.
  
  The methodology is so shonky and outdated as to be laughable. That these dubious estimates later morphed into baseline “pre-industrial” temperature levels is even more absurd and misleading, the reference to industrialization of course being inserted to point the bone at fossil fuels for temperature increases following the end of the Little Ice Age in the mid 19th century.
  
  This is not “science” and it certainly is not “settled”. But it is a magnificent con job. And the elites and the big corporations of the WEF-Davos clique (with the utterly corrupt UN tagging along) stand to benefit handsomely from it.
  
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  July 17, 2022 3:32pm
Tomtoddy

Bye bye Fozzie.
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July 17, 2022 8:05am
- RoboRob
  
  One can only hope. The nzru seem very unlikely to make the change though. When foster spoke after the game it was like he had watched a different game, ‘a couple of mistakes in the first half’, ‘stuck to the game plan in the second half’, wtf.
  
  The question is, would Robinson take it if offered?
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:19am
  - blue collar
    
    My take on razor is he would , he will take on the challenge , it’s in his competitive nature .
    Provided he could hv carte Blanche . Get rid of whoever he wants and appoint whoever he wants .
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They won’t sack him, they are too conservative. He would have to stand down which is possible
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:23am
  - blue collar
    
    And that’s why Robinson must go
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:38am
- crikey
  
  You may be right, Toddy, but the problem with NZ rugby is much deeper than that.
  
  NZ has been very good over the years in developing players to execute a fast-running style backs-orientated style but now, internationally, others have developed the counter to that with flat and fast defence. We can’t cope.
  
  The signs have been there for a while, from before the last World Cup for sure. The lack of depth in a number of positions is evident. I doubt there is time now for any coach to take the current squad (35) and remould them into a competitive team for 2023.
  
  Pessimistic? I don’t think so. The glass really is half empty right now.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:24am
  - MCōs
    
    NZ typically does well from broken play.
    However that’s not going to happen if the opposition has grunt up front, plays a structured game and doesn’t drop the ball.
    A team like the Crusaders won because they put the opposition under constant pressure and sooner or later cracks appeared. The ABs couldn’t put the Irish under pressure. The opposite happened.
    It’s always the same. You can have the flashest car in the world, but it’s no good if the engine’s firing on two cylinders
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Well done the Irish – the consolation comment that I heard was that the Hairstyles of the ABs were prettier !
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:32am
    - jv
      
      And the haka!
      
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      July 17, 2022 4:19pm
G152

What is the reason that we cant watch top rugby games live on TV?
Apart from being prevented from watching the ABs current dismal failures.
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July 17, 2022 8:15am
- riffer
  
  Pretty much capitalism at work. The All Blacks have a product that people want to buy. They sell their product to the highest bidder. Then the highest bidder gets to choose how they are going to distribute the product. If you want free to air All Blacks then it would require a broadcasting organisation prepared to outbid all others and then broadcast free to air. The highest bidder currently chooses to air to those who are prepared to pay for the product as a commercial transaction.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:20am
Gravelroad

The rugby-
The All Blacks are experienced, well paid, professional sports people.
Why is the coach being blamed for their inept play?
Having read many of the hundreds of comments on social media, the vast majority of the contributors blame the coach for what went down onthe field of play.
Is that really fair though?
Senior players Cane, Whitelock, Retallick, Smith, Barrett all played average games and the front row was just a laugh.
Why would they all perform better under a different coach given that it is their job to play the game?
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July 17, 2022 8:19am
- RoboRob
  
  The coach is in charge of team selection, player position, strategy and cohesion. The coach selects the captain. All of these are fails for the abs.
  
  The wrong players starting in the wrong positions and a captain who does seem to understand the game or lead.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:24am
  - blue collar
    
    True that .
    I’d go further and get rid of some players aswell though .
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:48am
- Tomtoddy
  
  You answered your own question Gravel. Good players play better when inspired by a capable, uplifting coach. The Crusaders win with the same quality players as other teams but they lift their performance under inspired coaching.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:24am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Just look what happened in the first test when Smit ran training
    
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    July 17, 2022 8:26am
    - Tricati
      
      If Smit is the answer, how come with all his inside knowledge of the Irish game, did they not come up with a cohesive plan to beat them.
      
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      July 17, 2022 9:42am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He was involved in the first test, go look up the result.
        
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        July 17, 2022 2:16pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @TomT-
    Nah, these are great big grown up, well paid men who are paid big money to perform – not a bunch of kids dependant on having their egos stroked and “uplifted” by a coach, surely.
    
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    July 17, 2022 8:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Exactly right, However, this is a phenomenon well known in professional sport. A losing professional team doesn’t fire its players – it fires the coach.
      
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      July 17, 2022 8:46am
      - Gravelroad
        
        If Scott (Razor) Robertson had been the head coach last night and the team played as they did for the same result, would people be blaming Mr Robertson?
        
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        July 17, 2022 9:01am
      - Bridgenag
        
        But….didn’t they have the best hairdos and tats?
        
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        July 17, 2022 10:14am
    - RoboRob
      
      Why even bother having a coach if you think they make no impact? Look at the Crusaders, a quality side, under Todd Blackadder never won a super rugby title but came close. Switched to Robinson and have won every year since. Good coaches make a big difference.
      
      No saying Blackadder was bad, but Robinson brings an extra few pct.
      
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      July 17, 2022 8:48am
      - crikey
        
        If only we could find this guy Robinson!
        
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        July 17, 2022 10:08am
      - barnacle bill
        
        Who is this guy you call Robinson ?
        
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        July 17, 2022 11:10am
      - blue collar
        
        Did good without a coach
        So he has influence , negative influence
        Apparently razor is in wgtn , might mean nothing or ……
        The board has to protect the brand . Silver lake , the fans …. The pressure will be on them to sort this out . Less fans and a fed up public ( rugby’s rules a major part , slow game and stoppages ) its getting to the point where fans will wander and take their wallets with them .
        No one wins then . So surely the board will act
        
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        July 17, 2022 11:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        Mark Robinson, Sharky, NZ Rugby CEO who would accept Foster’s resignation if offered?
        
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        July 17, 2022 4:41pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Gravel, the coaches set the game strategy and expect the players to follow that strategy. The coaches set the attack and defensive strategy of for instance, the backs. So when our backs are so deep they are caught behind the gain line, that is coaching. When the opposition find gapping holes in our defence, that is coaching. Selection is also a problem for Foster. Lastly, Fosters Chiefs were highly paid as well, and were mediocre (and not surprisingly, when they were coached by a decent coach, won the Super comp two years running immediately after Foster made AB assistant). There’s a disturbing trend with teams selected and coached by Foster.
      
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      July 17, 2022 8:57am
      - Cinematic
        
        Zero signs of improvement. Headed towards a disastrous WC in France.
        
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        July 17, 2022 10:39am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Just to put Fosters record in perspective, he has coached ABs in 24 tests, winning 16. But 4 of the wins have been against Tonga, Fiji (2) and USA. His record against top level countries (including Italy and Argentina) is therefore less than a less than stellar 20 tests, 12 wins. He has lead the AB’s to historic first ever losses against Argentina and Ireland, and an equally historic first ever series loss against Ireland. His current record is the worst of any coach in the professional era.
      
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      July 17, 2022 9:13am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        A slight correction; Hansen was coaching the All Blacks when they first lost to Ireland in 2016.
        
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        July 17, 2022 9:37am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Hanson was coach with the first two loses to Ireland, perhaps you mean first lost at home
        
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        July 17, 2022 2:18pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I don’t pretend to be an expert on rugby. I used to really enjoy watching it for entertainment but in recent years it seems to be losing some of the magic.
      Re the game. Only one team can win. Is it possible Ireland currently happen to be the better team?
      I’m saying that as an objective observer. I did a score prediction for a club raffle but didn’t even stay to watch the game.
      
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      July 17, 2022 9:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My brother told me that last night. Beaten by a better team on the day.
        
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        July 17, 2022 9:46am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Gravel – I agree but I would ask what’s the role of the coach then? Tactics obviously but motivation etc surely play a role?
      I would point to the transformation of Liverpool FC since Jurgen Klopp came along. He has had a massive impact, particularly on the self belief among the players. They all say the same thing about him.
      
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      July 17, 2022 9:18am
      - The Boss
        
        Rassie Erasmus did the same for the Springboks.
        
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        July 17, 2022 9:32am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Role of the coach in pro sport:
        Yes, tactics, workable game plan, serious investigation and analysis of the opposition’s strengths and weaknesses, risk analysis, alternative ideas when results not working to plan on the day, ability to switch tactics if necessary, picking right players for the game – probably a lot more.
        But, to use your example of Liverpool FC, you might think that multi-millionaires whose job it is to play football would already have a strongly developed “self belief”.
        Otherwise, how did they get to that level in the first place?
        
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        July 17, 2022 9:35am
      - Biscuit
        
        A good analogy, Clan.
        
        And just think of how New Zealand has been transformed with our OWN great leader, Princess Jacinda. Results-focussed, deeply-respected, steering even her few less-than-competent ministers onward and upwards, and all whilst being a Mum… we’re SO blessed, right…?
        
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        July 17, 2022 9:41am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Gravel – Liverpool had those skillful, motivated millionaire for many, many years. But for 30 of those years nobody could transform that skill into success.
        Since Klopp came along the transformation has been remarkable. But as with covid, correlation is not causation…….lol
        
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        July 17, 2022 9:48am
    - yossarian
      
      I’ve never liked that argument regarding money. The old, “well they are paid good money so why can’t they win” adage is a little silly.
      
      It’s like thinking that the only reason Mike Catt missed that tackle on Jonah Lomu was that he was too busy thinking about how little he was being paid at the time (yes I know 95 was still the amateur era). And that if he was paid he would have made the tackle.
      
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      July 17, 2022 9:53am
    - Liberty
      
      Gravelroad you are correct.
      The ABs is supposed to be the cream of NZ rugby. They don’t need to be mollycoddled by the coach. It is up to the players to show some fortitude. The only job the coach needs to do on the day is to supply the oranges at halftime.
      
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      July 17, 2022 10:29am
      - riffer
        
        Perhaps he should have left the oranges back in the changing room.
        
        The ABs did all right in the first test without Fozzie as he had covid. Next two tests Fozzie was back and they didn’t do so well. It seems to me that left to their own devices (and the support coaching staff) the ABs did okay in that test.
        
        Despite the obvious fact that these are some of the country’s top players, the coach sets the tone for the team. If the team are performing well without him and badly with him, it’s not a good look. Something is amiss in the ABs.
        
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        July 17, 2022 11:24am
  - kowtow
    
    They put it together in the first ten – 15 mins of the second half .That was the ABs of yesteryear . Then it fell apart again .
    The problem is on the pitch .
    Too easy to put all the blame on the coach .
    
    Shameful “fans” , recall they even jeered ,was it Hart’s horse .
    
    Talking of jeering, the so called rugby supporters do themselves no credit jeering the opposing team goal kicker. Bunch of ferals.
    
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    July 17, 2022 8:41am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      We can look back a few tests to when the starting line-up was being changed each week. Most people appreciate the longer a team plays together the better it becomes. Foster at last (for now) tried to stick with a single team against which injuries intervened.
      The pack in the first test was brilliant albeit with a slow start and the plan to put Barrett at no 6 saw rewards in going forward. Last week he took at least 2 Irish throws back in his normal position of lock, Week 3 and the lineout missed the bus and the question begs was that because of Barrett being out, that may have been partly answered by the inclusion of the Auckland no 6 who got stronger as time worn on and produced a try.
      Also, I think Smith had little protection behind the pack last night. Once the Irish were use to defending against Will one inside the wing it may have better been released to roam as he was one of the best readers of the game at a time when unpredictability can be king as we saw from the Irish.
      Our propping stocks have taken a hammering and last night was not any better when poetic justice would have been a red card for the head clash.
      The ABs lost but showed they are a tight team, that is always a good place to rebuild from. As is the knowledge that the Irish are a great team and with the advantage of some NZ coaching and personnel.
      The Team moves on with many lessons on board.
      
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      July 17, 2022 11:55am
- Cassandra
  
  Coaches set the tone, choose the players and change the pattern. As an example, note that the Crusaders kick ie give possession away, far less than other times. Giving the ball to Ireland was stupid most of the time and a water boy message should have stopped Smith and Barrett as soon as it became obvious that it was totally ineffective. Coach and captain should go now.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:35am
- RockyJ
  
  I get the feeling that for too many of the All Blacks it was enough to just make the team. The glamour and cool haircuts is what it is all about.
  That and an inability to change tactics on the field.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:40am
  - david
    
    Agree Rocky, ABs won “best haircut”, “best haka” and “best Tatts” trophies and Irish won the rugby.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:26am
- Nickc2
  
  The coach’s job is to inspire. I certainly didn’t see any inspiration until the players took the game unto themselves. By then, it was too late and Irish inspiration took over.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:59am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Basic skills are the responsibility of the player. It’s not on the coach if a player drops the ball.
  
  Tactics are on the coach. Analysis of our strengths & the opposition weaknesses, arriving in a game plan is definitely on Fozzie. And I don’t think he’s the best we’ve got at that.
  
  Having said that, was Graham Henry a great coach? Or did he have the great fortune to coach a team with two immortals of the game, in key positions no less, plus half a dozen terrific players.
  
  Lokking at the All Blacks now, only Ardie is a terrific player in peak form. Brodie & Sam are past peak, Beaudie still does what he always does (if the forwards could give him a platform He’ll still slice the opposition to ribbons) but he’s never been a great back foot player; others are merely good but not great.
  
  And this is a good Irish team; and other teams are getting better all the time.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:09am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Graham Henry proved his ability as a Head Coach. To say otherwise is unfair.
    
    A head coach inputs on selection not only of players but also on picking the right coaching staff. Picking the right management & coaching team and empowering them as Henry did is as important as being a great on the grass coach. His approach got results and that is all that counts
    
    Henry proved himself at NPC level, Super Rugby Level, International Level with Wales (remember his Welsh side tipped over the Jappies) and then with the All Blacks.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:00am
- Frank the tank
  
  We are always shit at rugby with a communist in charge. Kungflu only delayed the decline this time. I wonder if “Our Glorious Leader” was in reserve down in Wokeington just in case the Wokeblacks won.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:18am
  - riffer
    
    That one deserves to be up there with all the other bad correlation graphs. In 1999 the All Blacks did terribly under Taine Randall at the World Cup, and Jenny Shipley lost the election after nine years in power. So that blows your theory out of the water.
    
    And as for prime ministers being photographed with the All Blacks, that is hardly something limited to Labour leaders. It’s far more a National party thing.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She has never been back to the rugby since she was heavily booed handing Bledisloe over a few years ago
    
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    July 17, 2022 2:22pm
- redeye
  
  When Foster coached the Chiefs they were perennial cellar dwellers. Replaced by Rennie and the first year they win the championship. If you think a coach doesn’t matter, your mistaken.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  Ireland’s New Zealanders beat New Zealand’s islanders.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:26am
  - Matt Long
    
    Sounds like the yachting where Russell Coutts’ first string Kiwis bet TNZ’s 2nd string Kiwis for Alingi.
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My view is that the coach was not playing – those on the field carry the can.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Another thought – when the ABs win but we think they could have done much better, do we replace the coach with a possibly better coach?
    
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    July 17, 2022 9:52am
    - Matt Long
      
      It depends on whether we want them to keep winning.
      
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      July 17, 2022 10:13am
  - Cinematic
    
    Nonsense. The buck stops with the coach who needs to fall on his sword. Today preferably.
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:16am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I concur. The coach selects the team he wants, to execute the game plan he has developed. The coach is responsible for the players’ fitness and skill levels, and their level of motivation. New Zealand was out-coached in all those aspects last night, and more.
      
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      July 17, 2022 12:13pm
- Cinematic
  
  Because the coach is responsible for selecting and strategy. In selecting Cane and having a porous defence and limited attack Foster and co are clearly failing.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:14am
- mogg
  
  The good coach will assess the opposition’s strength’s and possible weaknesses. From that he will devise his strategy on how his team will play their game. Also he has to make changes to this plan as the game is being played.The senior players are there to carry out the plan not to play their own game. Remember the coach is able to see everything that is happening from on high, the players involved in the game see far less.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:32am
- Paulus
  
  What if the Coaches were paid according to results -like a Company perhaps.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:33am
  - david
    
    Hey Paulus, what makes you think that they aren’t?
    
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    July 17, 2022 1:22pm
- surfing
  
  Yes, the coaching team is extremely important in developing cohesive gameplay, combinations, and effective tactics.
  
  eg, All Black’s box kicks were not working, but they kept banging away at it. Line outs were embarrassing, opposition knew their throws.
  
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  July 17, 2022 1:00pm
- iMP
  
  Well why gave a coach at all then?
  Because it’s a team sport. It needs overview, placements, selections, combinations, designed set pieces, training regimes…
  
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  July 17, 2022 2:57pm
Opie

The class of the kiwis playing in the Irish side sums it up. Look at the players nz fought to keep vs the ones they let go.

Let’s compare James Lowe with Sevu Reece.

James Lowe was into everything and performed well all series. To top it off, he spoke so well after the match, then gave his boots and playing shorts to fans in the crowd. Real humble classy act.

Sevu Reece dragged his missus down the road by her hair, yet the charges were dropped because conviction might hurt his career. Just a garden variety thug.

Looks like we kept the wrong player!

So many other bad selections, players out of position and lack of direction from coach and captain. Surely the axe will fall but do they have the stones to do it? Emergency call and apology to Robertson first..

I enjoy watching the abs lose and this one was pretty special. Will never support them for as long as being an all black is an excuse for domestic violence.
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July 17, 2022 8:22am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  What happened to the “no dickheads” policy?
  
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  July 17, 2022 1:16pm
G the giant from Dunedin

I note the vulgar media are attacking Luxon for poking one at business, media are becoming very desperate, he explained what he meant by them becoming soft, and he is right, useless government simply handing out cash, so business just sits back and do not try and improve or expand their business
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July 17, 2022 8:25am
- Matt Long
  
  I would be a dead set fool to expand my business in the current regulatory environment.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, and like Luxon said, businesses are sitting waiting for handouts
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:17am
- Brian McDonald
  
  That’s his problem he trips up over what he says and then has to explain what he meant, Right now he may be feeding a resurgence for the left.
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:01pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He never bloody tripped up, he said what he said, but Cindy’s paid for media twisted everything he said
    
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    July 17, 2022 2:24pm
kowtow

I think I’ve twigged to what’s happened to the Granny .

It is now just a daily , as opposed to weekly rag , deliberately appealing to well healed, but not particularly smart, middle class ,urban wimmin .
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July 17, 2022 8:29am
- Cassandra
  
  Not particularly smart = stupid? A spade is a spade, kow.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:55am
3-coil

Thank god the ref blew his whistle at 80mins to put NZ and the AB’s out of their misery – crushed by the mighty Irish TEAM 32-22. The ‘abies needed to score 50% more points to even draw equal with the Irish! Their final tally of 66% of the Irish score flattered them: they were comprehensively reamed – they never turned up (again) and were never in the match. This team may as well not even go to the World Cup.

As te olde maori proverbe goes “the fish rots from the head”. Heads must roll.
Jacinda has to go.
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July 17, 2022 8:30am
- Cinematic
  
  Didn’t score a point until 23 minutes in. So bad.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:19am
- MCōs
  
  Good arithmetic
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:19am
Lee C

Establish the farm is a bio-hazard and the state can take it over?
Pass arbritrary legislation designed to address ‘Climate Change’ and then use it to allow the state to sequester non-compliant farms?
Tax food production out of existence, and then create social anxiety with teh resulting food shortages?
Use teh police to brutally suppress dissent?
Of course, this could never happen here, could it?
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/07/dutch-tolerance-vs-the-great-reset/?fbclid=IwAR0lrYUEbqoua8CXktfFJ3mcTgOfEtfnWshaOZqkvSpdJdq3uC9NrkY-zgA

Whyfor that to happen you would have to pass draconian ‘security’ laws under urgency while everyone was distracted and terrified by a made up pandemic….

And we all know that the whole thing was like, a genuine like ’emergency’, don’t we?
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July 17, 2022 8:39am
igm

I received this from a good friend. Sums it up well.
To all NZ’ers,
Let’s leave the word “aotearoa” back in Stephenson Percy Smith’s story book where it belongs!
There has only ever been one name that encompassed all the land mass, foreshore and seabed that
today is known as New Zealand and that is “New Zealand”.
The name of our fabulous country has been known as New Zealand for 379 years
The word aotearoa has only been around for 130 years. An Englishman, Stephenson Percy Smith
made it up for his fictional story about Kupe and wanted a maori sounding word that he could use to
name this land in his story.
The maori were tribal orientated, so collectively, they never ever had a name that encompassed all the
land mass and seabed that is currently known as “New Zealand”.
Secondly, maori never ever heard the word aotearoa until sometime after 1890!
So, NZ’ers………. Be proud! Stand up! Speak up!
Keep “New Zealand” as the only name of our beautiful country where many cultures and races live.
Leave the word aotearoa back in Stephenson Percy Smith’s story book where it belongs.
This issue needs to be addressed:
If you agree with what you have read, please, please forward it onto family, friends, colleagues etc.
Spread the word!
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July 17, 2022 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I’ll put it on Facebook for the factcheckers to mull over. They come up with some of the weirdest things.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:02am
- Paulus
  
  I actually heard on RNZ this morning the Weather Forecast and it was ALL in English – no Maori anything,
  Somebody’s head will role.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:36am
  - Flossie
    
    Well TV One weather tonight made wonder if I’d accidentally tuned into the Maori channel. Let’s have an English forecast on One and leave the other language to the other channel. This hybrid mix is doing my head in.
    
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    July 17, 2022 7:30pm
krazykiwi

Many of today’s problems are a result of yesterday’s solutions
— Thomas Sowell
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July 17, 2022 8:40am
- Swifty
  
  I hadn’t read that from Sowell.
  
  Good grief that man has a brilliant way of expressing himself at times.
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – You’ve been on the el gato again eh? 🙂
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:55am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Indeed. I’d vote for the bad cat in a heartbeat.
    
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    July 17, 2022 2:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Send it to the great white Chief. Hopefully she may understand it.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:03am
- MCōs
  
  Of course!
  The solution to Steve Hansen retiring was the appointment of Ian Foster.
  That Sowell bloke is like a real life Yoda.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:24am
Yvette

Explainer: The Unification Church’s ties to Japan’s politics
The assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has unearthed long-suspected, little-talked-of links between him and a religious group that has spread its influence around the world.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/16/explainer-the-unification-churchs-ties-to-japans-politics/

Perhaps a reminder Politics and Religion should not mix, not even Te Ao o Maori

Will Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Government’s promotion of Te Ao o Maori away above the Maori population portion, and even the much lesser number who actually believe or live by e Ao o Maori, actually end very badly?
Just seeing, wondering and saying
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July 17, 2022 8:41am
- Yvette
  
  Alas, the ‘e’ before ‘Ao o Maori’ in the second last line in the comment above, is a cataracts typo, not any profound knowledge of Māori grammar – sorry – but how many would actually know that?
  
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  July 17, 2022 8:57am
ClanMcleod

I posted yesterday re the many people who very early on warned that lockdowns, masks, social distancing etc were not only useless, but they were actually dangerous.
I noted that I had kept much information in various formats to support this.

I was checking my files and came across this one from 2020.

“Abstract

The New Zealand policy response to Coronavirus (Covid-19) was the most stringent in the
world during the Level 4 lockdown. At least ten billion New Zealand dollars of output (3.3%
of GDP) were lost then, compared to staying at Level 2. For lockdown to be optimal requires
large health benefits to offset these output losses. Forecast deaths from epidemiological
models are not valid counterfactuals, due to poor identification. Instead, I use empirical data,
based on variation amongst United States counties, over one-fifth of which just had social
distancing rather than lockdown. Political drivers of lockdown provide identification.
Lockdowns do not reduce Covid-19 deaths. This pattern is visible on each date that key
lockdown decisions were made in New Zealand. The ineffectiveness of lockdowns implies
New Zealand suffered large economic costs for little benefit in terms of lives saved.”

https://repec.its.waikato.ac.nz/wai/econwp/2006.pdf

Over 2 years ago we had an academic from the University of Waikato pointing to the obvious flaws behind lockdowns. They did a true cost/benefit analysis. No references to “granny killers” or “be kind” or “team of 5 million” or any of the other emotive bullshit to sell a completely flawed narrative. Cold hard facts. It was sent to them but it was completely ignored by the NZ media.
Similarly with Simon Thornley and the Covid Plan B team. Ignored and even worse, smeared in the mainstream media. This is just one of the examples (and not the worst) from Charlie Mitchell at Stuff.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125035835/the-scientist-and-the-rabbit-hole-how-epidemiologist-simon-thornley-became-an-outcast-of-his-profession

Here’s an excerpt. This aged well didn’t it?

“As New Zealand’s Covid-19 response became the envy of the world, Thornley said it was a failure. He retreated into baroque theories about the origin of the coronavirus and the efficacy of vaccines, becoming a magnet for conspiracy theorists and fringe political figures.

Baker and others became fixtures in the mainstream media, and were showered with formal and informal accolades. Thornley was mostly exiled by the press and disregarded by his colleagues.”

Indeed. Tell me now, who was right and why were they vilified? It has been a period of shame for NZ.
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July 17, 2022 9:00am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Clan
  
  Please keep that recent history coming. It was so drastic and traumatic that it is surprisingly easy to forget how much the story keeps shifting.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:35am
  - NK
    
    I have parked in my memory bank the lockdown and restriction messages.
    
    First it was, “eliminate and eradicate” the virus.
    
    Second, “aggressively stamp out the virus”.
    
    Third, it was “slow the spread”.
    
    I’m still mystified as to how it was ever possible to eliminate and eradicate an airborne virus.
    
    I agree with Rodney. Please keep them coming CM, as much as they bring be terrible memories.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:10am
    - Don Beckett
      
      You should’ve included “flatten the curve”.
      
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      July 17, 2022 12:54pm
      - kowtow
        
        Not to mention ; “to save the health system”.
        
        Which ended up having virtually nothing to do under lockdown , but is now allegedly being overwhelmed .
        
        So why dont they do something equally draconian “to save the health system ” now .
        
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        July 17, 2022 1:24pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I distinctly recall that Ardern was using the phrase “this is The New Normal” even in her first few press conferences back in the first lockdown in 2020, but that slogan seems to have disappeared. I think she got a call telling her to park that one up and stop using it so early in the project.
      
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      July 17, 2022 1:22pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      What was it the police commissioner said before the first lockdown (with a wee smile on his face) about people preferring to sit at home on the couch rather than in a police cell?
      
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      July 17, 2022 4:31pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Rodney. Here’s another little gem. Michael Baker lying on live radio. Denying that he ever said that masks don’t work despite a video widely available showing him stating exactly that.
    
    https://t.me/CoronvirusPlushie/3868
    
    How can he be permitted to keep his job and speak to media? He is a liar.
    
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    July 18, 2022 5:31am
- Ross Campbell
  
  It’s really no wonder Simon Thornley was ignored and ridiculed when some of his past works have proven to be totally false.
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/17-11-2021/simon-thornley-retracts-paper-with-false-claims-on-vaccine-and-pregnancy
  Also as a side note Simon Thornley is a member of FIZZ which is a group aiming for the removal of all sugary drinks from NZ by 2025.
  Does not seem like a big supporter of freedom of choice even though when he appeared with Matt King he had all the opposite talking points well rehearsed.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:42am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Well on that basis, you’d better stop listening to any of the principal celebrity talking heads whose many pronouncements and prognostications have similarly been shown to be without substance or foundation.
    
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    July 17, 2022 1:25pm
  - Hebe123
    
    It’s no wonder the Labour govt and it’s “experts”are ignored and ridiculed by anyone with a brain as they’ve not only been wrong occasionally but pretty much every time in everything they say and do.
    
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    July 17, 2022 2:36pm
- artemisia
  
  Like to see you on the Royal Covid Commission, or at the very least given a couple of days to present.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:11am
- ISeeRed
  
  You mentioned in another thread you’ve been documenting the last two years. BACK IT ALL UP. Make sure at least one backup is “off site”(e.g. at work) on a physical thumb drive, not just the cloud where things can be hacked and mysteriously disappear.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It is.
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:35pm
kowtow

President Biden of the US is a great diplomat , statesman of the highest order ,travelling abroad to mend ties and strengthen alliances .

Only a short while ago the rulers of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia were widely ostracised for involvement in the murder of a journalist and they were even labelled a “pariah”.

And here he is fist bumping those very same people .

Begging them for oil he won’t allow domestic production of.

Two faced twat.

Not to mention again playing the Plastic Paddy , pissing orf the Israelis and Brits all in one go, by sucking up to terror merchants the Palestinians .
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July 17, 2022 9:05am
- Don Beckett
  
  Just remember, Biden is Obama’s puppet – his third presidential term.
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:56pm
kiwikidsnz

American hypocrisy & self interest on full display again :

Saudi Arabia: The significance of Biden’s fist bump with crown prince – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-62189543
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July 17, 2022 9:07am
- Nickc2
  
  Biden is Obama’s glove puppet. Obama is currently serving another term.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:50am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Oops – you beat me to it. 🙂
    
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    July 17, 2022 12:57pm
ClanMcleod

Observations from Eugyppius re the difference in covid case numbers in hypervaccinated and masking western Germany as opposed to the much more vaccine skeptical former DDR.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/robert-koch-institut-appears-to-agree

The map is startling. Of course correlation is not causation……//
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July 17, 2022 9:34am
Sacha

The triumph of ignorance . . . . . . . and mass media.
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July 17, 2022 9:36am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

OK Labour’s internal polling must be really bad. Nanny Herald is working hard for their share of the bribe. Yesterday attack piece of Luxon by Fran O’ Labour Worshipper Sullivan. Today on the same topic another attack piece on Luxon by Hayden Munro – guess who? I don’t have to say it folks.
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July 17, 2022 9:37am
- Tony Stuart
  
  So Jacinda Ardern’s former Chief Press Secretary slags off the Leader of the Opposition; never saw that coming…
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:09pm
Yvette

Local elections 2022: Auckland Mayoral hopeful Leo Molloy’s campaign chair June McCabe quits days after explosive, expletive-laden interview
McCabe told the Herald her quitting had nothing to do with Molloy’s bizarre appearance on comedian Guy Williams’ New Zealand Today show.
During the interview, Molloy frequently referred to Williams as “woke”, “a soft c*ck” and used the word “retard” on a number of occasions.
Fellowing the interview, fellow Mayoral candidate Brown called on rival Molloy to withdraw from the race.
“The bizarre antics, short-temper, and foul-mouthed rants last night have eliminated any thought he was capable of being Mayor,” Brown said. (Not Len Brown as far as I presume)

Does Leo Molloy support “3 Waters”?
If not, perhaps someone – maybe Guy Williams again – should wind Molloy up really tight and point him at Nania Mahuta and Jacinda Ardern.
I’d watch
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July 17, 2022 9:39am
Positan

A few months ago, after circulating to my e-mail list several items that posed serious questions and substantial doubts as to the vaccines’ safety, my brother, a doctor, came back at me, demanding that I stop. He told me I wasn’t a doctor, that I shouldn’t pretend to be one, and that I shouldn’t question the NZ government’s measures.

I answered that, on the volume of evidence I’d read, there was no reason I should ignore what had been substantiated and be less than true to myself.

I haven’t heard any more from him since.
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July 17, 2022 9:45am
- Bridgenag
  
  Don’t forget Doctors have a God complex. Even 30 retired ones think they know it all……
  
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  July 17, 2022 2:21pm
Benedict Yu

There was a protest yesterday about abortion rights.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300638837/hundreds-rally-for-abortion-rights-in-auckland-after-roe-v-wade-overturned

Do these folk really think that a Supreme Court decision in the USA will affect abortion law in New Zealand, a law which was only introduced 2 years ago and which confers a liberal abortion right?

There is an agenda here. It is about planting a seed in the stupid that the National Party wants to restrict abortions.
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July 17, 2022 9:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – it’s becoming very apparent that there is a coordinated movement around the world. No matter how much that might seem like a “conspiracy theory” it is getting too in your face to be ignored. This is the “great reset”.
  
  We are living through the Hegelian Dialect.
  
  Here’s a superb piece regarding one aspect of this narrative control.
  
  Generating a sense of crisis so people will demand solutions is not a basis for government……
  
  “the EU is in serious trouble on power grids. they chased a made up green dream where over-priced and under-reliable power sources like wind and solar were subsidized and mandated into adoption while longstanding and effective nuclear was shut down (though france did mostly keep theirs). and now, as they rapidly discover their newfound dependence on geopolitical rival russia and desperately need solutions, what is the grand plan of france?
  
  to turn off the streetlights.
  
  as a reducer of energy consumption, this is a joke. it’s a meaningless rounding error. but that’s not why they chose it. they chose it because it’s highly visible, inconvenient as hell, and has immediate, negative effect on everyone’s lives. it’s a signal that “this is a crisis!” because crisis is the brand and people need to see how “serious” this is by having this darkly unserious policy inflicted upon them.
  
  this is not a solution, it’s theater in the round to heighten the sense of drama and crisis and open people up to the next round of policy imposition.”
  
  I’ll save milkey the trouble. The source is the completely untrustworthy conspiracy theorist el gato malo.//
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/generating-a-sense-of-crisis-so-people?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:04am
  - artemisia
    
    The Great Awokening. (Credit to whoever came up with that.)
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:09am
- JimBobJoe
  
  100% Ben…. Labour are desparate and are trying via their feminsit cadre and their bought & paid for media stooges to generate a story from nothing.
  
  The Lefts reasoning goes like this: Luxon is a christian. He doesn’t believe in Abortion – ergo the National Party will over turn our current liberal abortion laws.
  
  Of course it leaves out a number of important facts like: Luxon has public ruled out any change, historically abortion law is a conscious issue and not subject to party whip, the votes that passed the last changes in the abortion law where cast by National MPs! and finally that Roe v Wade has zero to do with NZ law and policy making.
  
  There is no stone they wont turn and no dirty trick they wont try to deploy – Labour will get increasingly nasty if the polls continue to move against them. It is their core feature: nastiness. And that core feature will continue to be deployed ever more aggressively as time passes.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:18am
- Matt Long
  
  Wouldn’t it be ironic if the morons actually by keeping abortion law in the headlines opened the way to reformation to more humane laws.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:41am
  - Nukuleka
    
    I agree, Matt. Already on this blog we have seen the likes of DG come to realize that our government legislated to permit abortion up until birth, something which I am sure the overwhelming majority of kiwis do not know about which most would certainly disagree with.
    
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    July 17, 2022 12:02pm
    - rouppe
      
      They sure try to hide it though.
      
      Turns out that the Ministry of Stats no longer produces the data, its the Ministry of Health.
      
      In their publication, there is all manner of data around abortions at 9 weeks or less, but the data for after 9 weeks is all amalgamated together, mostly.
      
      However finally you see a table that says there were 102 abortions at 21 weeks or more, representing 0.77% of 13,246 abortions, and of course there is no information on what the s11 qualifying criteria was.
      
      So yes, it’s provided for, and exercised, though at a very low level it seems.
      
      Link to the pdf, but be aware there is 7 pages of fluff and obligatory Te Reo first.
      
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      July 17, 2022 12:53pm
- AitchW
  
  I suspect it’s more to do with anti-American sentiment. The hard left hate the US with a passion and mobilise the useful idiots at every opportunity.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:41am
  - cjn
    
    Well why has JA sucked up to them in the matter of sending stuff to Ukraine?
    
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    July 17, 2022 7:15pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Well, it has certainly planted a seed in you, Benedict.
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

Bumped into one of my besties after Mass this morning.
Lou’s been a practising midwife for the last 20 years.
She was telling me that a recent survey she’s been made aware of, showed 6 out of 10 babies born in New Zealand are now either unplanned or unwanted.
I find that quite disturbing although not surprising.
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July 17, 2022 9:52am
- Cassandra
  
  That’s depressing, Maggie. All children should be wanted and some of that 60% will be tomorrow’s headlines.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:00am
  - Don Beckett
    
    There are literally thousands of couples who would happily adopt any unwanted babies.
    
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    July 17, 2022 1:04pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Didn’t they run a story last week about a jailed gang-member who had 17 of them?
      
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      July 17, 2022 1:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes, and Riffer misses his Dad.
        
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        July 17, 2022 2:19pm
- Matt Long
  
  Unplanned? Mike King had a good routine on that about how he accidentally rolled over in bed and impaled his wife.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:22am
- MCōs
  
  There’s a big difference between ‘unplanned’ & ‘unwanted’.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not sure about the unplanned. In some cases they are definitely planned. Meal tickets. The more babies, the more money. Some solo mothers are doing very well. The only work they did was laying on their back.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:31am
  - Nickc2
    
    They’re not missionaries Steve.
    
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    July 17, 2022 10:36am
  - Hebe123
    
    I have a pregnant family member. The pregnancy was definitely not intended but as religious zealots using the “take your temperature” method (ironically the same contraceptive that resulted in her being born 20 odd years ago) unsurprising to most of us.
    She’s a Maths teacher so has a few brain cells and the unplanned baby is definitely not unwanted (just not that timely).
    
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    July 17, 2022 11:09am
    - Matt Long
      
      AKA Vatican Roulette.
      
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      July 17, 2022 12:49pm
      - kowtow
        
        Roman roulette , aliterates better . And I’m a left footer.
        
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        July 17, 2022 1:29pm
  - MCōs
    
    Who told you that, or have you met some of these woman.
    Recently I sold a car to a solo mother with ten+ children.
    Her husband had collapsed and died playing rugby.
    Whether she was a beneficiary I don’t know, but I’ve read some people who think welfare shouldn’t be extended to solo mothers with multiple offspring. If that happened there’s a risk genuine cases who have fallen on hard times would be hammered.
    Incidentally
    Whatever the motivation of the parents the kids are innocent.
    
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    July 17, 2022 12:21pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      What sort of car was it, MCos? I hope you gave her a good deal.
      
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      July 17, 2022 2:14pm
  - cjn
    
    Lying not laying.
    
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    July 17, 2022 7:16pm
- mogg
  
  I have a nephew who has planned his family very carefully, he chooses not to work and has just increased the size of his family to keep the benefits rolling in for as long as possible.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:50am
  - Matt Long
    
    I have kids and it seems to me there’s easier ways to earn a living than rearing children. Maybe I’m not doing it right.
    
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    July 17, 2022 1:05pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Public servant, is he?
    
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    July 17, 2022 2:14pm
hullkiwi

Went to see the Thor movie with my son yesterday. I wish I hadn’t.

It left me very angry!

I have on question, and a rant.

The question who the f**k do Taika Waititi and the Disney Marvel studio think they are to trample, trash, pervert and make a joke of the cultures of the ancient Greeks and Norse peoples for 30 pieces of gold and silver?

And yes, in answer to Hilary’s question, 2 scenes had a nubile Maori goddess sitting front & centre.

However, the real point is Waititi & his paymasters make a joke of ancient European cultures, but woe betide if the Scandinavians or the Greeks make a movie that mocks the Maori God’s as ignorant bloody thirsty ignoramus’. We would be told how wrong that is.

In the closing post scripts of the movie Zesus is seen asking Herculeas, “how did we become such a joke?” To answer that would take pages, but in short in the woke, secular, money is all power world we have allowed to become the norm, nothing is off limits in the interests of making money!
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July 17, 2022 9:56am
- Matt Long
  
  Since seeing the vile behaviour of the Hollywood Elites when Trump was elected I can’t be bothered with any of their output, even the historical stuff that wasn’t so actively proselytising for LBTQetc. The less I see of their faces the better.
  I feel the same about the Wokeblacks after their pile on to Israel Folau, I just can’t be bothered with them, win or lose, if they want to take the knee to Marxist BLM, go ahead, I’ll leave the bread and circuses to pagan Rome.
  
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  July 17, 2022 1:02pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Correct. Taika Waititi’s rise is symptomatic of everything that’s turning to shit. When “Boy” came out a bunch of of public service mates were clamouring over themselves to love it the most. Then I watched it and thought it was the biggest load of trash I’d ever watched, which is when I realised it wouldn’t have mattered how bad it was because it was about Maori. How he’s risen to fame is absolutely beyond me, but no doubt the woke would say the joke is on me.
  
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  July 17, 2022 4:30pm
- tf78
  
  Taika’s actual surname is Cohen.
  
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  July 17, 2022 4:53pm
Yvette

West Coasters paying triple to see GP
A 10-day wait to see a nurse practitioner or doctor and far higher charges are a symptom of the “Third Word” health service Reefton residents are having to live with
Reefton people forced to travel to Greymouth to see a doctor are being charged three times what they’d normally pay their GP – on top of travel costs.
West Coast Health is relying mostly on nurses and telehealth to provide primary care in the town of about 1000 this winter after it couldn’t recruit the locums it normally uses to staff the Reefton clinic.
But patients needing an urgent face-to-face doctor’s appointment have been paying $100 all up for the privilege.
Vicki Reed, who is 63, went to the Reefton clinic this week in agony with a bulging disc in her back.
“I’ve had this before and the specialist told me next time I’d need a steroid injection under ultrasound, so I just wanted an urgent referral back to the specialist.”
But there was no doctor available to write the referral letter and the clinic nurse told Reid she would have to go to Te Nīkau Hospital and Health Centre in Greymouth, 80km away, to see a GP.
“My husband drove me down, and I waited four and a half hours in the triage area before I was sent through to the GP clinic. I don’t blame the staff for that – they’re all under the gun – but then I was charged $57 for the referral and a script for pain relief. And that’s on top of $50 for petrol.”
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/west-coasters-great-lengths-to-see-gp

How Māori use maramataka to care for mental health issues and how the practice will be incorporated into treatment by Māori Health Authority
… The new Māori Health Authority has a budget of half a billion dollars and CEO Riana Manuel has allocated $100 million of that to support centuries-old treatments.
This article is part of Public Interest Journalism funded through NZ On Air
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/07/how-maori-use-maramataka-to-care-for-mental-health-issues-and-how-the-practice-will-be-incorporated-into-treatment-by-maori-health-authority.html

No comment? Juxtaposing these two quotes is the comment .
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July 17, 2022 9:57am
Nickc2

I hope the NZU deal with the US Equity firm Silver Lake is a fait accompli. Let’s face it, if Silver Lake’s intention was to promote Rugby to the world, they sure all hell wouldn’t want to be using the fourth-ranked team in the world.
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July 17, 2022 10:28am
- MCōs
  
  Personally I couldn’t give a bag of beans about Silver Lake’s money.
  That’s the last thing on my mind when the ABs slip down the rankings.
  However.
  Seeing as you mentioned peddling the AB brand.
  There are plenty of big sports brands around the world who never win anything anymore , but continue to rake it in for their stake holders.
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:33pm
  - Nickc2
    
    There are plenty of big sports brands around the world who never win anything anymore , but continue to rake it in for their stake holders.
    Name some!
    
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    July 17, 2022 12:40pm
    - MCōs
      
      Man U, Arsenal, Chicago Bulls, Yankees
      
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      July 17, 2022 7:26pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Arsenal are three time winners of the FA Cup across the last decade.
        
        You may not consider that much, but it’s not nothing. It’s also more than the vast majority of English clubs, including and especially that mob up the Seven Sisters Road.
        
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        July 17, 2022 10:54pm
Maggie Pie

And any truth to the tweet that appeared earlier maintaining Razor Robertson is related to our Minister-of-Sport?

Asking for a friend.
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July 17, 2022 10:33am
- Matt Long
  
  You can choose your friends but not your relatives.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:38am
- barnacle bill
  
  Ask he who knows everything, your partner.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:55am
tknorriss

Here is why losing (sometimes) is good.

We tend to wring our hands in anguish if the ABs lose. However, I think losing sometimes is positive, and even necessary. Here is why:

Firstly, it keeps interest alive. If one side is totally dominant all the time, then people get bored. Sport is interesting when the outcome is uncertain, and that an opponent has a good chance of winning.

The only way that scenario can be true is if the side we support is beaten from time to time.

Secondly, losing dispels complacency.

Thirdly, losing drives improvement and positive change. It is hard to achieve this goal if a side is always the best in the world, because, there is little room or motivation to improve. But being on a lower rung from time to time gives motivation to improve and grow.

So, perhaps we need to accept losing from time to time as a necessary process in growth and improvement. The fact the ABs haven’t often experienced this situation is a shock to some of us, but I think an inevitable process to go through from time to time.
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July 17, 2022 11:04am
- Bridgenag
  
  Maybe if they got proper jobs and did what they used to do…..train after work etc tats and hairdos later
  
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  July 17, 2022 2:29pm
- tf78
  
  Last time the AB’s had such a bad run was during Helen Clark’s demise; I hope it’s an omen.
  
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  July 17, 2022 4:58pm
  - MCōs
    
    In 1998 the ABs lost five in a row
    Jenny Shipley was PM, but not much longer
    
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    July 17, 2022 7:37pm
- Bluegrass
  
  What a condescending and smug response to the Irish win.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The most fascinating thing about the images coming from the James Webb telescope is that we still want to see the Epstein client list.
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July 17, 2022 11:06am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I see where Elon is calling ‘BS’ on the images anyway…..
  
  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1547793837443035136
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:19am
I remember when

Just a question.
Which New Zealand Super team plays a style of rugby similar to the Irish?
Is it time for New Zealand to accept that we need to change how we play the game?
I absolutely abhor the moving screens used to allow attacking teams to manipulate defensive play.
The teams who always manage to end up with player lying in a position that restricts the opposition halfback’s options and speed of delivery at breakdowns.
Manipulate the referee so that the game is slowed down and time wasted.
However, repeatedly they are the teams that win.
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July 17, 2022 11:15am
Maggie Pie

And this from the NYT….

‘Calls have gone out in the US for restaurant chain HOOTERS to hire ‘curvier’ plus-size waitresses, amid accusations that the racy establishment prefer slimmer servers.’

https://trib.al/iGg2VRv

>>>TBH, I thort they might have at least used a more appetising looking box of Chicken Wings 😛
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July 17, 2022 11:40am
- ISeeRed
  
  I never get the whiners. “Raise the minimum wage! Ban plastic bags! Hire curvier waitresses!” Lead the way then. Open your own plastic-free restaurant and pay the living wage to whale-sized waitresses. Show us how it’s done.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:47am
- Tony Stuart
  
  But do they serve chicken breasts?
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:08pm
Yvette

Mahuta hits back at ‘toxic trolling’ after nepotism accusations
Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta has responded to accusations of potential undeclared or mishandled conflicts of interest when it comes to Government appointments and contracts with members of her family.

She criticised the anonymous nature of the trolls, who target her from “dark corners” and “hide behind pseudonyms”.
“No one will ever come out truly in front and say these things to your face. instead, it’s very convenient to hide behind closed doors or behind a keyboard,” she said.
“You know they’re politically motivated, and they are attached to political parties.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/17/mahuta-hits-back-at-toxic-trolling-after-nepotism-accusations/

What may be intriguing about this article is that it presents Mahuta’s arguments against appointment inapropriateness without illuminating what any of those appointments are.

Like Nanaia’s sister, Tipa Mahuta being Chair of the Advisory Board, its edict status to Taumata Arowai, the Water Regulator, controller of “3 Waters” and by chain of command able to direct or negate “co-governance” matters at 4 entity levels. Think about it.
In “3 Waters” is that not real trickle down“?
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July 17, 2022 11:45am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Mahuta playing the victim card; never in a million years could I have possibly expected that.
  (Sarcasm alert ends)
  
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  July 17, 2022 12:20pm
- surfing
  
  If Mahuta had become a nurse instead of a politician, would her relatives have been given these jobs/contracts?
  
  I seriously doubt it.
  
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  July 17, 2022 1:09pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Oh there’s plenty of people who have put their name behind accusations of nepotism and corruption. Plunkett, Brash, Du Fresne, Bassett, the list goes on. Nice try Nanaia, but you’re lying again.
  
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  July 17, 2022 1:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  In Mahutaworld there’s no economic trickledown. No siree! It’s economic gushers, all the way.
  
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  July 17, 2022 10:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Airforce One flying 7000 miles to Saudi Arabia to beg for oil. To lower the carbon footprint of Airforce One, it could fly to Texas or Oklahoma and beg Americans for oil.
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July 17, 2022 11:47am
- blue collar
  
  Cmon steveo , that would be logical
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sure would be. Same in NZ. Hard way v easy way
    
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    July 17, 2022 1:21pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      US presidents genuflect before the Saudi royal dictatorship. Been that way since 1980. what else are they going to do – get the oil flowing from Iran, Venezuela or Russia?
      
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      July 17, 2022 4:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Alaska and Canada would be a good start.
        
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        July 17, 2022 5:21pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oil is a worldwide commodity. “Drill baby, drill” is a nice slogan for the morons, but the US president’s political problem is one of rising global prices. Increasing domestic production won’t happen quck enough for that, and couldn’t produce to volumes needed anyway.
        
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        July 17, 2022 5:34pm
Rusty

The psychic energy wasn’t with the ABs last night as Murray Mexted would say.
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July 17, 2022 12:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He’s not wrong. Sport is sometimes seen as analogous to war, and in war ‘the moral is to the physical as three is to one’, as a prominent military dictator once opined.
  
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  July 17, 2022 4:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump seems to be going somewhere.
https://rumble.com/v1bckpv-trumps-son-reveals-epic-surprise-that-will-have-everyone-speculating.html?
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July 17, 2022 12:57pm
- blue collar
  
  Back yo the Oval Office if the seppos know what’s good for them
  
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  July 17, 2022 1:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  On the belly of the plane, where you can’t see, it says “WON”
  
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  July 17, 2022 1:22pm
  - tf78
    
    How Trump and how delicious – gotta luv that man!
    
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    July 17, 2022 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

I hate Thugby.
My partner had a few mates over last night to watch it in the home theatre.
When I took the hor-dourves in at half time, heard one of them saying…. “if they spent as much time refining their moves on the field as they do worrying about the stupid bloody haka, we might get back to winning”.
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July 17, 2022 1:06pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  But the ABs won the haka three weeks in a row…
  
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  July 17, 2022 2:42pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  *hors d’oeuvres*
  Most people would just say “snacks” though.
  
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  July 17, 2022 3:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you think so?
    Since when has Wasabi glazed seared Tuna on grilled ciabatta with avocardo dip been considered a “snack”
    
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    July 17, 2022 3:45pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “Fancy snacks I reheated”
      
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      July 17, 2022 4:02pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You can’t reheat tuna.
        
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        July 17, 2022 4:22pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Maggie’s guests had drank too many Heinekens to notice.
        
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        July 17, 2022 4:27pm
    - kevn
      
      @Maggie… In our home we would call that ‘a treat’.
      
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      July 17, 2022 5:34pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Honey, if we are going to be pretentious then perhaps we should learn how to spell. Both in French, as noted, and in English (“avocardo”).
      
      Unless you meant to indulge in satire by channeling Hyacinth ‘Bouquet’ Bucket.
      
      In which case, ten out of ten.
      
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      July 17, 2022 11:33pm
  - mogg
    
    Thank god,Maggie is not ‘most people’,
    
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    July 17, 2022 4:18pm
- Lee C
  
  Speaking as a Pom, Maggie, I’d have to have a heart of stone to hear of the AB’s current woes and not smile.
  
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  July 18, 2022 7:14am
blue collar

I reckon we make peters pm , purely to watch him own the media n Maori .
I miss his takedowns , no one does it better
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July 17, 2022 1:11pm
kowtow

Who is the radio presenter that gave Paula Bennet so much shit that she refers to in today’s Granny article .
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July 17, 2022 1:34pm
Bridgenag

Thugby and footbrawl the same……..
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July 17, 2022 2:35pm
Suze Wainwright

Is there some kind of coordinated strategy going on right now?

3-4 dedicated & promoted attack articles on Luxon in the msm and a (completely unsolicited) NZ Listener cartoon implying that kiwis are hugely ungrateful for all of Jacinda’s hard work and huge success on her overseas travels, appearing in my Facebook feed…
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July 17, 2022 2:47pm
- kevn
  
  @Suze… Sounds about right.
  
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  July 17, 2022 7:34pm
ecco

More redistribution policy from Robertson. Extending the fuel tax bribe. Will have to pay for it somehow because have already topped out on borrowing money on the NZ taxpayer credit card. Will have to tax the rich pricks some more. Will do it after the election. How are they going to do this? They already hiked the top tax rate to 39% and haven’t moved the tax bands up.

The problem is that NZ voters who can be bought out need cold hard cash payments, not indirect stuff like fuel tax excise discount being extended.
Panic stations now. Will be some pretty irresponsible fiscal policy from Ardern and Robertson from here on in until the election next year. For sure.
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July 17, 2022 4:19pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is terrible policy. How is the deficit in the Land Transport Fund going to be financed:
  
  – Borrow the money?
  – Reduce roads funding?
  – Reduce public transport and cycleway funding?
  
  Oh we have no idea. How surprising.
  
  Transport funding needs urgent reform. This stuff is just populist nonsense.
  
  And who is paying for the ‘half price’ PT fares?
  
  This reminds me of the policies I read about of New Zealand in the 1970s. Subsidise. Opps. Unintended result. Subsidise unintended result. Repeat.
  
  What a tragedy that 50 years on we are back in the nightmare.
  
  It will take a modern day Roger Douglas to repair the damage.
  
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  July 17, 2022 6:37pm
- Prince
  
  They will continue to borrow, and continue to point out that the international banks and syndicates are still lending them money so all must be OK.
  And their budgets, supported by a Treasury consisting of 23 year old PolSci students, will produce forecasts showing Productivity magically increasing by 6% a year to repay the debt, in around 5 years time.
  
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  July 17, 2022 11:05pm
freemark

The jab fiasco continues. 2nd round of Covid hits my site, as well as bad colds, flu etc. Those who are “boosted” or 2 jabs getting sick more often. All younger & fitter than me. The 1 jabber – nothing. Me, the anti-(covid)-vaxxer had my mild dose a few months ago picked up from the “super-spreader” protest of mainly unjabbed, I share my site office with the boosted getting hit again, I am in everyone’s face running the site, I wear a face nappy nowhere – and I sail through unaffected. This is happening everywhere, I don’t care if it hurts you to hear it again – but you’ve been sold a lemon & been sucked into the biggest Pharma $profit & $bribe led medical misadventure in human history. Your immune system has been severely compromised, our economy & freedoms trashed, you’ve been convinced to turn on your family & friends. If you haven’t woken up by now…man. ☹️
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July 17, 2022 4:59pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Welcome to the dark side.
  
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  July 17, 2022 6:15pm
mawm

Neil Oliver – Where is the candidate?

This should be viewed by Luxon and Seymour.

https://youtu.be/hUFh7l1Y9TU
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July 17, 2022 5:07pm
info@cruzpro.com

I’m kind of wondering what’s going to happen to the MSM if National/Act end up getting elected 2023.
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July 17, 2022 7:31pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Based on past performance, I’d suggest it will be BAU. Sorry to the Natty tribals, but I simply don’t see Luxon having the stones to fix the rancid, festering scab that is the New Zealand media.
  
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  July 17, 2022 9:40pm

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