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mikenmildagain

Happy Glorious Twelfth!
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July 12, 2022 8:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  And hoping for a good turnout in Wellington tonight on such an auspicious day for the Irish.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:05am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I had considered coming down to Wellington tonight, but the prospect of south-easterly gales and rain will see me watch the rugby from the warmth of my lounge.
    
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    July 12, 2022 8:08am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Soft! It’s just a little breeze and precipitation. And the cake tin is substantially warmer than was the Millard Stand at the old Athletic Park. Up there in a southerly was colder Scott Base.
      
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      July 12, 2022 8:13am
      - MCōs
        
        Nothing beat the Millard Stand on a good day.
        
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        July 12, 2022 8:17am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I miss the top deck of the Millard. Absolutely the best view. But the stadium is definitely the best all-round venue in the country.
        
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        July 12, 2022 8:24am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Mikenmildagain gets lots and lots of downticks from me, so his above erudite accurate comment comes with some degree of surprise. The height of the Millard Stand and being so close to the sideline made it the best place to appreciate the positional placing of a team.
        
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        July 12, 2022 8:31am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’ve watched a couple of tests from the top deck of the Millard stand, and lived to tell the tale. Our favourite seats always used to be the blocks at the front of the Millard Stand.
        
        My first test at Athletic Park was the 1971 Lions. Dad and I came down on the early train from Palmerston North, had a feed at the greasy spoon cafe at the station, then headed up to Athletic Park. When we arrived around 7am the queue at the city end was almost a kilometre from the gates, so we headed to the southern end where the queue was only a few hundred metres at that hour. It was a great day out.
        
        But yes, I am getting soft, and selective. Having just got over the flu however, I have no desire to freeze my ageing arse off again!
        
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        July 12, 2022 8:43am
      - kowtow
        
        Mods . Sorry reported T Notts by mistake , meant to reply.
        
        Fact is mm is just about always trolling , as per his auspicious day for the Irish.
        
        July 12 marks the Dutch King William’s victory at the Boyne 1690 . A day held in great importance not by ‘the Irish’ but in certain Unionist circles.
        
        In fact the day is universally important as it helped cement the victory of the principles of parliamentary democracy over French style autocratic rule embodied in the loser, the English Catholic King James II. And as such is an integral part of our constitution , which is under threat from the Ardern regime .
        
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        July 12, 2022 8:49am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Tony, I think that 1971 test was my first AB’s outing, also with my father. We were at the top of the Millard, and it was c-c-c-cold.
        
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        July 12, 2022 8:52am
      - mogg
        
        Alan Hewson would agree.
        
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        July 12, 2022 9:38am
      - Sacha
        
        The camera box at the top of the Millard stand (accessed by a ladder) was the place to be. The first time it was used was in a southerly blizzard and holding the vibrating cameras steady with frozen hands was a challenge. The footage was somewhat fuzzy, lol.
        
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        July 12, 2022 9:46am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I feel sorry for you, kowtow.
        The Twelfth should serve as a date for reconciliation across a united Ireland, as Michael McDowell called for some years ago.
        Pursuing symbols of a vanished colonial supremacy doesn’t help. What does help is the transformation of such commemorations into peaceful congregation.
        
        Crucially, membership of a lodge can give a sense of `belonging’–an important factor in a cold, technological age when many working-class people feel increasingly alienated and rejected. This social aspect of Orangeism has been seriously neglected by historians and sociologists, who prefer to concentrate on the overtly political or religious.
        
        And the date actually marks the Battle of Aughrim (12 July 1691) rather than the Battle of the Boyne (1 July 1690).
        
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        July 12, 2022 10:05am
      - Biscuit
        
        (Dunno where this will appear but it’s in reply to the steepness of the old Millard Stand…)
        
        You folk haven’t LIVED … or nearly died of exhaustion, ha … until you’ve got atop the scarily-sloped seaside stand at Kings Park in Durban!
        
        Go Google!
        
        Interesting to see that a few of the Kiwiblog clan were at that 1971 Lions Test. We, too, were on the upper deck of the Millard.
        
        Not a good day for the All Blacks who were 0-13 when Laurie Mains scored a try (but duffed a simple conversion grrr). I remember turning round and looking up to the TV Commentary box and catching the eye of Cliff Morgan who, all of a sudden, didn’t look QUITE as confident of a Lions success as he’d been a wee bit earlier…
        
        13-3, o darn, was how it ended, mind…
        
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        July 12, 2022 10:34am
      - Alwynn
        
        The first test I ever went to was at Athletic Park, from the top deck of the Millard Stand when the All Blacks played the French in 1961.
        That wasn’t a southerly breeze. It was a bloody cyclone. I believe that the ground had been sold out but only about half the seats were taken. The rest of the ticket holders had the sense to stay home. It was really scary up there in the stand with the gale force winds. As a first year University student I didn’t have any sense of self preservation of course.
        
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        July 12, 2022 10:41am
      - Prince
        
        And after all that, Barry John had the game done and dusted within 15 minutes, 13 nil. Insurmountable in those days.
        
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        July 12, 2022 10:50am
      - rouppe
        
        The Millard Stand was glorious.
        
        However given that 5 year old buildings can now be demolished after suddenly becoming an earthquake risk, imagine what the classification of the Millard Stand would be now, given it used to wobble if enough people stomped their feet.
        
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        July 12, 2022 11:31am
      - pdm
        
        Mogg 81 to 84 for Hewson as an All Black.
        
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        July 12, 2022 11:57am
      - I remember when
        
        Sat on the top deck of the Millard Stand for the famous French game.
        Probably wouldn’t be allowed now as part of it wasn’t completed.
        Memorable experience – watching hats disappear into the distance while still about six floors above the ground.
        Sat in the Railway Station cafeteria eating buttered toast to fill in the morning and keep warm.
        
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        July 12, 2022 3:40pm
    - MDQ
      
      It may have been cold on top of the Millard for the test in 1971 but it was a spectacular day (weather wise) on the Southern terraces near where Mains scored his try. There actually used to be good days in winter back then too. Just a pity the game was effectively over after 15 minutes.
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:41pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bugger off, it could be a COVID hotspot, and the Māori will thrash their second string side
    
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    July 12, 2022 8:21am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      How did that work out for ya? 😎😂
      
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      July 12, 2022 9:35pm
  - cas
    
    It was a hell of a long way to go from the top of the Millard stand down to the toilets after a couple of sneaky drinks.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:07am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Did you forget to take your bike tube?
      
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      July 12, 2022 5:21pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Glorious Twelth refers to the opening of the UK game bird shooting season.
  
  Out by a month, Milky. Typical, really.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:07am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    From Wikipedia:
    
    The Twelfth (also called the Glorious Twelfth or Orangemen’s Day)
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:07am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Piss off with your “Orangemen”
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As usual talking shit about something you obviously know nothing about.
      
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      July 12, 2022 9:38pm
  - kowtow
    
    In the context of his “Irish” comment he’s referring to the Orange celebrations, and as such he is as usual trolling .
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:47am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Sri Lanka. What happens when you try and fix climate change. Let that be a lesson to the other virtue signalling arseholes like ours.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:31am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep. Gone the full Greta on climate change and ESG.
    Warning for all countries is you need a transition plan.
    Whether Energy or in Sri Lankas case a fertiliser and Energy transition.
    Really is a race to the bottom.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:51am
- Cassandra
  
  ?? August for grouse. And not so glorious for them.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:43am
  - I remember when
    
    Is August going to be ‘grouse.’
    
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    July 12, 2022 3:43pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  the Glorious Twelth is in August. The opening of the Pheasant Shooting Season in the UK
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Glorious 12th July…..aka My Birthday.
  
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  July 12, 2022 1:36pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

How is it that the media are not holding the current CEOs of Oranga Tamariki, MSD & their predecessors personally responsible for the foul actions of staff at Lake Alice? After all, they’re happy to do so for the Catholic Church.
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July 12, 2022 8:05am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Are you expecting the pope to resign as an act of atonement for his church’s shameful record of abuse?
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:10am
  - I remember when
    
    Possibility of resignation has already been publicised in media.
    
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    July 12, 2022 3:45pm
  - NoFax
    
    Will the Prime Minister resign for the State’s shameful record of child abuse in State care? I assume you also think the State has no moral authority anymore as well.
    
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    July 12, 2022 8:09pm
artemisia

New Zealand has coal, lots of coal. And debt, lots of debt.

Meanwhile

Australia’s largest coal miner, Glencore, says trade figures showing the fossil fuel eclipsed iron ore in May as the nation’s most valuable export underline its continuing importance in energy security, industry and the broader global economy. In a sign of coal’s enduring near-term demand despite accelerating global action on emissions, data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics revealed earnings from coal shipments jumped to $14.7 billion during May, surpassing iron ore for the first time in 13 years.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/glencore-proud-as-coal-surpasses-iron-ore-as-nation-s-biggest-export-20220708-p5b07a.html
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July 12, 2022 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  NZ has lots and lots of coal , but our ruling Elite
  ( blue and red) have a lot more stupid .
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  How much good quality coal do we have available in New Zealand? Not a topic I know much about. Anyone know?
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:37am
  - cmm
    
    It is important to remember that there are various types of coal. As I understand it we have different quality coal in different areas. Some of it is good for power and some good for steel making.
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:47am
    - I remember when
      
      Much of it better than Indonesian.
      
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      July 12, 2022 3:48pm
  - rockape
    
    About 100 years worth. At past mining rates.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:08am
    - David Garrett
      
      rockape: I stand to be corrected, but IIRC we have an estimated 1500 (that’s fifteen hundred) years worth of coal…I do understand we have various different types of the stuff, from very high quality – for steel making – to the lowest, which isn’t much use at all..(again I stand to be corrected).
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:24am
      - Jack5
        
        The lowest, lignite, is used for generating power in Victoria, and in Germany. The deposits in Southland are big enough to provide all NZ’s electricity for four or five centuries.
        
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        July 12, 2022 1:12pm
  - rockape
    
    Over 16 billion tons overall of which 80% is good quality . Figures from MBIE, google NZ coal resources.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:12am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thanks. So at $US385/tonne, and assuming that we discarded the 20%, that is $US4.9 trillion dollars worth of coal just sitting around waiting for us. Pity really.
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s not waiting for us.
        It is in safekeeping for our new rulers..
        
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        July 12, 2022 1:44pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Maggy, that is a shudder-worthy thought.
        
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        July 12, 2022 1:52pm
      - kowtow
        
        Our new rulers.
        
        Ah so . Thank you velly much.
        
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        July 12, 2022 1:59pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Quite a lot mainly West coast SI.
    The issue is the Greens and RMA. Think Pike River and open cast.
    NZ Coal is the best in the World and used as Coking Coal for manly steel and gets a high premium.
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:00pm
    - Trev
      
      There are currently moves underway to reopen Spring Creek underground mine near Dunollie on the West Coast. This is a large resource in high grade coal very thick seams (relatively easily mined) that would contribute a great deal to our foreign exchange earnings and the local economy. I’m sure Labour and the Greens will find reasons to oppose the reopening though if exported this coal wouldn’t count against NZ’s carbon emission targets. In fact its export would enable lower emissions generation as it could substitute for much higher volumes of lower grade overseas coal.
      
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      July 12, 2022 5:20pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yes. And where is it? Under productive farmland? Hill country? National parks? Where? Practical to mine it?
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:12pm
    - kowtow
      
      To any interested in NZ coal , this is very informative.
      
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/coal-and-coal-mining
      
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      July 12, 2022 1:02pm
    - Mike H S
      
      There is a huge deposit right next to the Huntly Power station, which is why the power station was built there. But we don’t use that, we import the stuff from Indonesia instead. Dumb as …….
      
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      July 12, 2022 3:28pm
krazykiwi

True political leaders have vision and care little about who or how many follow. Being acceptable is subordinated to defending deeply held principles.

Political followers on the other hand have little vision other than gaining/retaining power. If principles get in the way of amassing support then those principle must be buried.

Adern is a political follower. So is Luxon. So was Key. So was Clark.

Having political followers of different team colours at the treasury benches government after government has, I believe, led to cynicism of the political process and of democracy itself. Cynicism leads to disengagement. Disengagement leads to lack of scrutiny. Lack of scrutiny leads to selfish, self-aggrandizing behaviour on the part of those who were elected to lead us.

This is where I believe we are today, and without some kind of circuit-breaker that’s where we’ll stay, drifting inexorably left as the political followers pander to the whims of the disengaged who anticipate having the government solve their life problems.
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July 12, 2022 8:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Blah blah blah blah, to me Luxon is forming his own plan, the trip to places looking at countries with good education and tough on crime is a good start, what the he’ll is he following FFS
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:23am
  - PHC
    
    Yeah I don’t see Luxon as a follower, more like a Humpty Dumpty sitting on his wall.
    
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    July 12, 2022 9:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, enjoy ya part in helping Cindy back into finish the rest of us humour dumptys off, you have two choices for government
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:41am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        “you have two choices for government”
        
        That’s the problem: what happens when both choices are hopeless? There are any number of potential alternative options that aren’t Labour or National, but it is this intractable, unimaginative, mindless binary box-ticking that you embody that means we never get anywhere and are doomed to be lead into places we don’t want to be (as we are in the year 2022). There is nothing that says we must have a binary option, other than the ill-considered muscle-memory voting habits of dullards like you.
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:44pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    G, I know you see Luxon as the great saviour, but he is nothing more than figurehead substitute. Yes, he may usher in some right-leaning policy, but there is no evidence that he has the stones to change New Zealand’s left-sliding trajectory.
    
    My advice: Long for more than a replacement for Ardern. While you and other tribal Nats are happy to simply wrestle power from Labour New Zealand’s outlook will continue to deteriorate.
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Luxon is a good manager, but he will not be a good leader. There is a big difference.
      
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      July 12, 2022 10:58am
      - rockape
        
        Well if you consider Leadership is about convincing people to follow you ,the polls seem to be saying he is doing a great job since he became party leader in November. Do I need to remind you of how much National went up in the polls since then ?
        
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        July 12, 2022 11:15am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        To become a CEO of a large multinational is almost by definition an indication of being a careerist yes-man who doesn’t have the imagination and vison to ever rock the boat too much. Managing is not the same as leading. How many great leaders of the past came out of the business community? Probably none. We need a political entrepreneur not a boring safe pair of hands. I don’t doubt that Luxon is talented, but he is not what the country needs in a time of distress.
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:51pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I know National is up, but I stand by what I said rockape.
        Luxon is a good manager, but he will not be a good leader.
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:56pm
      - mawm
        
        rockape – maybe National is up solely because people are fleeing Labour and not because of Luxon?
        
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        July 12, 2022 4:06pm
    - piglady
      
      I long for more than a replacement for Ardern and hope there will be a new party to vote for come the election.
      Currently there is is no party that represents the betterment of all New Zealanders as I would wish it and that is sad. Tempting to scrawl two lines through my voting papers and write a vote of no confidence.
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:32am
      - kowtow
        
        I feel exactly the same .
        
        However the priority must be to get rid of this regime and every vote counts .
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Go to the pub may be best.
        Whatever will be will be. Some song.
        
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        July 12, 2022 5:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        kowtow, “must be to get rid of this regime” and make sure that New Zealand never has a 7th (seventh) Labour Govt
        
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        July 12, 2022 5:24pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I do not see him as any bloody thing ffs, we have two choices, him or Ardern, clearly she is an utter failure
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:42am
      - krazykiwi
        
        +1 for the passion, but no. We only have “two choices” while people like you, and to be fair there are plenty, don’t think strategically.
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:49pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Will we end up more like Zimbabwe, Argentina or Venezuela? My pick is Argentina.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best ask Jaspinda. Could be Cuba, or China.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:01am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Oh yes. New Xiland sounds about right.
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:13pm
- pdm
  
  `Adern is a political follower. So is Luxon. So was Key. So was Clark.’
  
  I think Ardern is more a UN follower.
  
  Politically she is very naive perhaps even illiterate and is completely unable to see the dangers of her inept and racially divisive plan for New Zealand.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:32am
  - kowtow
    
    Naive or ideological?
    
    I now think the latter.
    
    She’s a dangerous radical.
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:51am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    When the trend for at least 70 years has been a transition to global governance and ever-increasing centralisation of power, those at the heart of this emerging structure don’t want independent leaders who will deviate from the desired course. They just want managers. They are like the provincial governors to the emperor in Rome. Like Key, Luxon has been vetted and selected for the role and brought in for that purpose, just as Key was parachuted in by Wall Street out of nowhere to keep things moving in the same direction Clark was going. The “smiling assassin” they called him – assassin of what, though?
    
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    July 12, 2022 1:01pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      … those at the heart of this emerging structure don’t want independent leaders …
      
      Could you name (say) five of them? Do they meet regularly?
      
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      July 12, 2022 1:35pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Hi Ian, try this. You’re welcome 🙂
        
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        July 12, 2022 2:02pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I note Klaus has very nice things to say about the Netherlands leader Rutte, not sure if he pulled the strings in Sri Lanka as well.
        
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        July 12, 2022 4:44pm
  - Jim
    
    It’s her way to prove loyalty to the powerful global elite like many WEF YGL alumni, after all she will never live in NZ again once she leaves office.
    
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    July 12, 2022 6:03pm
- Philview
  
  I think Helen Clark and John Key did convey a sense of optimism about the future of the country. Under Jacinda Ardern the future seems like a dark hole. This is because she is destroying the status quo but offering no vision of what she wants instead.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:56am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sure, but optimism in the face of net drift to socialism is like using Tramadol to fix cancer. It might dull the pain, but the future is no better.
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:29am
    - Opie
      
      But you aren’t going to get better with any of the options we have.
      
      All we can ask for is less worse.
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:59am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Phil view she isn’t offering a vision of what she wants instead because she doesn’t want you to see it until it’s inescapable. She knows few people will buy it but is equally convinced that it’s what’s good for us all. You’ll own nothing and be happy.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:57am
- Loddenthinks
  
  And there’s David Seymour, hiding in plain sight, talking {mostly) sense on a wide range of subjects. The only one to oppose the knee-jerk gun law changes, he’s copped some stick about his mandate stance but I’m not sure it’s deserved.
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:25am
Andrei

When Monty Python becomes redundant…

… is when a british Tory MP drives his Mercedes into a lamppost a 1 am and flees the scene wearing a white long-sleeve top which was tight to the body, a black leather PVC mini-skirt, tights, dark shoes with a high heel and a pearl necklace.
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July 12, 2022 8:10am
Maggie Pie

I see Robbo’s decided to take a holiday at the same time Cindy’s out of the country.

It begs the question… why would he do that during the School-holidays when he doesn’t even have any kids?
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July 12, 2022 8:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  Speaking of kids, Systemic Harms to our Children. On protecting our youngest peoples from our government. This includes a collection of evidence demonstrating harm visited on kids by masking.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:18am
  - Dr John
    
    and talking of kids, I am astonished my children grew up to be well balanced adults without the benefit of this book [sarc of course!]
    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Raising-Antiracist-Children/Britt-Hawthorne/9781982185428?ss_sid=174258998&utm_source=email&utm_medium=sands_email&utm_campaign=20220711_SocialMediaStars_NL
    
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    July 12, 2022 8:40am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Didn’t click on the link – at first it looked to be saying “Raising Antichrist Children” haha.
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  As I said, the Māori caucus is going to lance them, Robbo was slinking in the back in Aussie, why he was there st the same time as the failing pm is beyond me, they know a return means a vote of no confidence, snd it eill happen sooner than later, Ardern has been in parliament for 2 days since March
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:26am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The only reason I can see that the Maori caucus would want to replace Ardern is if they figured 2023 was lost already and planned to grab whatever assets, jobs, golden parachutes and government contracts they could get their hands on over the next year. While Labour will still lose in 23 with Ardern, without her Labour would be annihilated. Ardern is the lipstick on the pig that is Labour. They have fooled plenty over the five years of failure – remove the facade that Ardern offers and even the wilfully blind will see the Labour cabinet in all its naked glory.
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:09am
    - yossarian
      
      So true, I don’t understand the theory that Jacinda is pandering to the Maori caucus because she needs then, they need her. Without the guaranteed percentage that Jacinda brings in from the female voters, Labour would be in the low 20s. And Mahuta won’t bring them in that’s for sure
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They are a large number, and many will lose their seats, I have also heard they may side with Māori party and split from Labour if they don’t get what get what they want
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:55am
      - Nickc2
        
        Bring it on I say!
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    2/38 is a bloody good job.
    Why is she not being held to account on this?
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:12am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think you’ll find he is grandfather on Alf’s side.
  
  Interesting though, that so many Wellingtonians are on leave this week. As I understand it, many public sector bureaucracy positions now come with give weeks leave.
  
  Must be hard to use it all up. On top of the sick leave. And the Covid leave.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:26am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘give’ = ‘five’
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:42pm
- pdm
  
  Is Klueless Kelvin in Charge of New Zealand.
  
  If so the title of the Country’s National Anthem `God Defend New Zealand’ is very very appropriate today.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:35am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I think Poto Williams is Acting PM 😀
    
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    July 12, 2022 8:44am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I wouldn’t leave Williams in charge of a fruit stall.
      
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      July 12, 2022 8:50am
    - pdm
      
      Stirrer.
      
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      July 12, 2022 9:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jesus H Christ!!
      What is happening NZ?????
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I understand the PM intends to visit NZ soon.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:40am
  - The Boss
    
    A flying visit I am told.
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:44am
  - Ehlana
    
    That’s nice. Which country’s PM is favouring us with a visit?
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:45am
- Biscuit
  
  Be nice, Maggie, under the Brave New World we now inhabit, Robbo may well have decided to identify as a Mum with three wee sprogs…
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:39am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, I’m sure I’ve heard Robbo say he’s a grandfather. Believe it or not.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:48am
  - oldfella
    
    Just found this. Probably Alf’s grandkids.
    He met his partner Alf in 1998 playing rugby and their family now includes four grandchildren. In 2009 they were joined in a civil union.
    https://www.festivalforthefuture.co/grant-robertson
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:52am
Frank the tank

Serious question is Angry Andy a worse minister than Clare Curren, Phit Twyford and Poto Williams put together?

He literally knows nothing about his portfolio.

Someone fed the Hosk methadone this morning given how soft he was on Angry….
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July 12, 2022 8:20am
kiwikidsnz

TDB has some interesting articles today
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/07/12/mediawatch-ummmm-nz-on-air-just-gave-spinoff-160-000-to-cover-the-local-elections/

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/07/12/the-strange-case-of-the-de-selected-professor/
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July 12, 2022 8:22am
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/10/trump-alaska-lisa-murkowski-worse-than-democrat/

Lol. It’s like trading in your wife for a 20yr old fitness model!!! And her mom (Palin)…….
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July 12, 2022 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Worse than a Democrat LOL. She is of course a RINO. Kelly Tshibaka is going to cream her.
  We have friends in Anchorage. They sent me a few links of the outside of the place where Trump was to speak. Anchorage has less than 300K people, but the queues were huge. Flags, hats, tees everywhere – all Trump stuff.
  This may work, I have no other link atm:
  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1065156214420025
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:27am
Sensible moderate views

Question – can we boost prosperity by cutting taxes? What would changing gst to 8%, the top personal tax rate to 18% and the company tax rate to 24% do for a small trading nation?

Who would be prepared to support it?
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July 12, 2022 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cut Parliament Seats to 80.
  Get rid of Working Groups.
  Abolish all silly quangos.
  Reduce the ‘company vehicle’ in all Govt departments – MPs can still have one.
  Get rid of meal allowances ($60 snack for Mahuta is just not on)
  Many more that don’t come to mind. The NET Private Sector Taxpayer has had enough!
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:57am
- Sensible moderate views
  
  Of course the only problem is when Sri Lankan adopted these exact tax rates they went bust and the country collapsed …
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:26pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yes but they also ran outta money cos wuflu response killed tourism while the govt killed agriculture .
    
    Helped them run outta tax revenues.
    
    Who else is killing tourism and ag , sounds quite Ardernist if you askd me.
    
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    July 12, 2022 2:07pm
thetiedarch

I see the $50m is working hard this morning. Simon Wilson painting ACT and various others as racist because they rightly point out that certain government policies are themselves racist and driving NZ towards race-based favoritism.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/simon-wilson-david-seymour-stoking-the-fires-of-a-culture-war/NIRYF7VAW56QEJHLSHKN47PQVU/
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July 12, 2022 8:32am
- BeaB
  
  Took him only a few paragraphs to get to Nazi Germany.
  
  Then the Herald editorial lumped Bolsonario, Trump, Scott Morrison and Boris Johnson together as ousted populists.
  
  With asinine journalism like this it is no wonder so few people bother to vote.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:48am
- GBC
  
  To be fair to Simon Wilson he wrote horrendous left leaning crap long before the govt bribe money was in place
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:02am
  - Matt Long
    
    Wilson equals Lord Haw Haw.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:58am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Wilson has suddenly become a psychic. He claims to know what David Seymour was REALLY saying at the weekend, as opposed to what he actually said.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:18am
Tauhei Notts

Whilst in Wellington on Sunday I had two bus trips.
They each cost 86.96 cents plus GST. Who pays the balance of the costs?
Is it Wellington ratepayers or is it mug taxpayers?
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July 12, 2022 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:41am
  - Yabster
    
    see thats what socialist don’t get- nothing is free- in this case the taxpayer is paying and that pool is diminishing and will shrink further when the exodus takes off. Baby boomers are retiring and the pool of net tax payers is on the decrease- what happens then socialist?
    
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    July 12, 2022 8:55am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Tauhei is trying to work out if they are the gift horse.
    
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    July 12, 2022 9:08am
  - kowtow
    
    It would pay the rateand tax payer to check out the Trojan Horse of climate politics.
    
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    July 12, 2022 9:50am
- RoboRob
  
  Don’t know the pricing of the buses in Christchurch but if you take one here its almost like a limo ride.
  
  A huge private vehicle with your own driver. Occasionally you might have to share with 2 or 3 other people but its as close to a limo as the average man can get.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:18am
  - thetiedarch
    
    I’m not impressed to see the council rolling out free internet in public spaces. What a waste of ratepayer money.
    
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    July 12, 2022 3:08pm
- rouppe
  
  Wellington Regional rates I think. So from wider region Inc kapiti and wairarapa
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:25pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A mix of both.
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:44pm
Maggie Pie

‘NewstalkZB names new Chief-Political-Reporter’

Does anyone see anything wrong with this photo?

https://twitter.com/dahmenaaron/status/1546385912006733824
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July 12, 2022 8:52am
- krazykiwi
  
  He would appear to be not old enough to shave, drive, or vote, but is apparently skilled enough to write what he’s told to write.
  
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  July 12, 2022 8:57am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Fair enuff KK….I hadn’t even noticed those things!
    I was more referring to his funny ears 😀
    
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    July 12, 2022 9:05am
    - LauraNorda
      
      I noticed those too Maggie. What I noticed was that he was still wet behind them.
      
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      July 12, 2022 10:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Someone gave him an ear bashing? Shit, he only just got the job.
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:09pm
  - RoboRob
    
    I must say I looked very hard trying to work out what Maggie was on about. The only thing I could guess was that while he was a white man he wasn’t old 🙂
    
    All that said, being a little older now, I now understand the ‘age makes wisdom’ thing. A young person could ‘report’ the news just fine but for commentary and understanding the minutia around politics I think someone with more life experience might be better. I don’t like Barry Soper but he has been around a long time and brings a wealth of knowledge to this stuff. Tova and this guy are ‘pretty’ faces.
    
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    July 12, 2022 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fits in with the other children.
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:10pm
- Caine9
  
  He’s not female! Ardern will never invite his questions…..
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:15am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, he is keen, went to Sacred Heart until 2016 but on Twitter fellow journalists are cheering him on. He wouldn’t have been chosen except to keep the $50 million bribe humming……would he?
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:17am
- NK
  
  Yes. He’s not Maori, female, non-binary transgender who speaks te reo. I’m genuinely mortified he????? was even considered for the role.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:25am
  - RoboRob
    
    Reading the comments he also appears to be a Christian !
    
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    July 12, 2022 9:27am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Colin Craig look-a-like. He’s doomed.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:40am
- Jim
  
  Once upon a time the term Chief used to refer to respected elder.
  
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  July 12, 2022 2:08pm
- MCōs
  
  What happened to the last bloke
  https://twitter.com/Jasonwalls92/status/1540170709653401601?s=20&t=dfaMcFxoAHNWemnsJMs9gA
  
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  July 12, 2022 2:25pm
KH

Ukraine stands with New Zealand in it’s commitment to providing jobs and income to those with right connections.
https://southfront.org/25-year-old-girl-without-any-experience-appointed-deputy-minister-of-european-integration-in-ukraine/
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July 12, 2022 8:56am
- NoCash
  
  Well… more power to the exemplary Ukrainian democracy and freedom, Zelensky FTW.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:04am
- Frank the tank
  
  C’mon its not the connections its the looks. She is drop dead hot.
  
  Middle Aged white males always vote with their ‘little heads’ particularly if they are French or Italian.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:47am
  - KH
    
    How does Matthew Tukaki get those jobs then. ?
    
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    July 12, 2022 4:44pm
igm

Give the Mongrel Mob $2.75 million . . . what about this hard working decent family?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129235469/auckland-husband-and-wife-diagnosed-with-terminal-lung-cancer-within-months-of-each-other
What criteria do they not fit Ardern?
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July 12, 2022 9:25am
Oskar

I see that Karl du Fresne has written about as to how Joanna Kidman ended up as co-director of the National Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism.

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/07/the-intriguing-circumstances-in-which.html

It seems that Kidman was on the original selection panel but ended up as a co-director when the original appointee was deemed ‘not suitable’.
Karl du Fresne concludes his article writing “Moreover the process by which Kidman was appointed will reinforce the already overwhelming perception that a powerful and entrenched cohort of radical ideologues, acting with the government’s blessing, is moving the country in directions that no voters anticipated – still less approved – when they went to the polls two short years ago.”
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July 12, 2022 9:28am
- RoboRob
  
  When the public went to the polls two short years ago, the people who voted for Labour didn’t vote on anything except the ‘feels’ around the governments handling of covid. No other policy was considered and no comparison of promises vs reality for the previous 3 years occurred.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:18am
  - gravedodger
    
    What other policy was revealed.
    Perhaps I missed it
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:32am
  - notreadyet
    
    yes just like my mate who was generally right leaning voting for them since she saved us, pointed out that he’d been conned as this lot and her were extreme left and all about controll and it dawned on him when he thought a bit more, he vaxed to hilt and has covid and can’t figure out why I havnt died
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:57am
Captain Mainwaring

Why do silly young reporters think it’s clever to use such words as ‘motu’ and ‘maunga’?
Most of us have no idea what you’re talking about. Time such nonsense was banned in the interests of our 98% who are English speakers.
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July 12, 2022 9:29am
- kowtow
  
  They are proving their employers commitment to their terms of employment under the so called PIJF , and no doubt they like being woke .
  
  ‘Actively promote the principles of Partnership, Participation and Active Protection under Te Tiriti o
  Waitangi acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner.
  4. Reflect the cultural diversity of New Zealand.’
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:40am
- graham
  
  I have no objection as such to people using Maori words, talking in Maori, whatever. What I do find annoying is what I consider to be the inappropriate use of Maori.
  
  One News is leading the charge here. Last week I heard an utterly useless report of a free trade agreement which covered kaimoana. My wife and I looked at each other, baffled. “What on earth is kaimoana?” we asked each other. We had to hit Live Pause, look up the word, eventually manage to spell it correctly and find the meaning, and finally return to the news story – by which time we had forgotten what it was about so had to rewind to remind ourselves.
  
  Using Maori words and language in certain contexts, such as printed magazines from the local council, is fine. Such material is generally not communicating anything of significant importance, and being printed is easier to put down and pick back up if you need to look up a word that you don’t understand. But using it in a TV news program, which is meant to be communicating significant events of world importance, is not appropriate. And that’s true whether it’s Maori, French, German, whatever. If you were to hear a news report talking about the upcoming “cruinniú comhairle” you would also miss the understanding and be left wondering what on earth the reporter was talking about.
  
  The use of Maori language in general does not bother me. The inappropriate use of Maori language in contexts where clear communication is important, does.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    But next time “kaimoana” is used, you will know what it is, right?
    That is the whole idea, force it on you even if you don’t want it.
    Tomorrows’ word is “huanui” – use the huanui to get to work.
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:23pm
    - graham
      
      Nope. I tend to use my mental cache wisely, discarding such useless information almost instantly. 🙂
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    State TV, State radio, and the subsidised media are trying to force a change in language, and the fools are creating an NZ Pidgin, which will hurt Maori language more than it hurts the English language.
    
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    July 12, 2022 1:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Mr Mainwaring would just love a government that cracked down on free speech.
  Please provide a list of words you wish to ban, and the suggested penalties for uttering a prohibited word.
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Maika”
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:25pm
  - graham
    
    I don’t see a need to interdire certains mots. As above, I simply object to utilisation inappropriée.
    
    But the current mood in New Zealand seems to place a priority on virtue-signalling by using Maori language, even if it’s inappropriate, confusing, or totally out of place. How long before we have our own Académie Française, I wonder?
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:33pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    awwwww-tear-a-rower
    
    $3k fine or 20 lashes with a bamboo cain
    
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    July 12, 2022 2:04pm
- MCōs
  
  I live on the slopes of Mangere Mountain.
  My granddaughters come around sometimes and talk about going for a walk on the maunga.
  A few years ago I wouldn’t have known where they were going, but time moves along and we’re exposed to more and more te reo.
  I’ve got no problem with that. It’s a language of this land.
  I went to school and was taught French and Latin.
  French might make a bit of sense if we were in Europe, but bloody Latin.
  (What I learnt was I was useless at languages)
  
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  July 12, 2022 2:54pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mount Mangere – 107 metres high – one of the cones in the Auckland active volcano field.
    
    Do you have any emergency plan, MCos, in case Auckland blows its tops?
    
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    July 12, 2022 4:01pm
  - graham
    
    As I said above, I have no objection as such to people using Maori words. For your granddaughters to casually talk about the maunga is fine.
    
    But using words that very few people understand, in a TV news program, which is meant to be communicating clearly and coherently, is inappropriate. If you are watching the news, your reason for doing so is to be updated on the day’s current events. That’s the purpose of the news. And if you actually have to stop the news broadcast and say, “Wait … what? There’s something happening across the motu? What on earth do they mean?”, then they have failed in their purpose.
    
    Or, maybe this is simply a reflection of the changing times, as you say. As fewer people actually get their news from the TV news programs, preferring instead to get it online, possibly the TV news channels see their relevance to a modern society eroding, and are thus desperately trying to keep afloat and maintain their funding by fulfilling the over-arching Maori component of the Public Interest Journalism Fund, rather than simply TELLING US THE DAMN NEWS. Can’t blame them, I guess.
    
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    July 12, 2022 4:08pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    Latin, for a monolingual English-speaker, is a very useful tool in learning Romance languages (French,Italian, Spanish, Romanian); and also German [for the grammar].
    
    You would have picked that Latin leg-up in your French studies.
    
    And knowing Latin, you would be aware of, inter alia, the word ‘agricola’ [farmer] resonating down thru the ages whenever you hear/see the English word ‘agriculture’ . Similar with femina, puer [boy – puerile], pulcher [beautiful – pulchritude] etc.
    
    Possibly…
    
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    July 12, 2022 10:59pm
Nukuleka

I taught some pretty funny looking squint -eyed Remmers kids at Little King’s, Mags, and some of the faithful at mass at St Michael’s on a Sunday weren’t exactly the model types. Sticky out ears were pretty much the norm on Vicky Ave, but it was the buck teeth on so many of the Remmers women that got me. Sheesh.
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July 12, 2022 9:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hear what you’re saying Nookie.
  There was a real influx around here when JK was Prime Minister…a lot of them have cashed up now and gone back to China.
  
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  July 12, 2022 9:40am
  - mawm
    
    Not in my street, but then they are the only ones who can afford the housing.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:11am
Maggie Pie

Where were the parents?

https://youtu.be/pb-M6iPtM5w
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July 12, 2022 9:47am
- Matt Long
  
  Teaching them how to behave, just like the islamists in Gaza.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Both cops have boots big enough to kick his arse.
  Did that kid ‘assault’ the cop?
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:28pm
OlderChas

When is the NZ Herald going to start labelling Simon Wilson’s column as a Party Political Broadcast?
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July 12, 2022 9:50am
BeaB

Another hard hitting interview by Corin Dann this morning when he actually apologised to Andrew Little for daring to ask if the health system was in crisis.

I just hope Luxon has seen how easy it is to ensure the media is a propaganda arm of the government. Best money Labour has spent.
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July 12, 2022 9:53am
- RoboRob
  
  It only works when the young people in the media go through an education system based around left wing ideology. You can guarantee no matter how much money is doled out, National will be treated much harsher.
  
  National must sell of TVNZ / RNZ. There is no sense in the modern world for the government to own the media outlets that report on them. There is no public interest or benefit in the government owning media companies. Minority content can be and is provided better by the myriad of alternative media platforms.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:22am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That would only be possible if ACT has serious influence. Think 20 percent + of the party vote. If they only get 10 percent we will be in for three years of Luxon reversing some of the worst policies but making the other Labour policies ‘work better’. I guarantee it.
    
    An example – the ‘ute tax’ has been criticised by DPF. It is an idiotic policy for all the reasons I have set out on KB previously. Will the next Government abolish it? No. They will try to make it ‘fairer’, cheaper, more efficient, or whatever…
    
    Same as the new Health Authority.
    
    Education? While he may not like the idea, Education would be a great policy for David Seymour, if he were given the power to make changes.
    
    Massive growth in the public service? National will impose a ‘recruitment freeze’ (which creates problems) and try to wind it back by waiting. There are public service agencies that have increased by 300 percent in the last 5 years. I know one that has increased from 260 employees to over 1,000. The Christchurch Office has increased from about 5 staff to over 50 staff.
    
    With the will, it would be possible to make sweeping changes to New Zealand in 12 months. For example selling off RNZ and TVNZ, you don’t let the public service manage it – bring in some smart folk from offshore. They would have it done and dusted in 6 months.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:08am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      it would be possible to make sweeping changes to New Zealand in 12 months.
      
      Do you have a model for where this kind of rapid transformation has been successful?
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:24am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        New Zealand 1984 – 1988 and 1990 – 1993.
        
        Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:30pm
      - Bluegrass
        
        Spare us the common or garden-variety debater’s meretricious ‘That’s a good question, now let me ask you one’ schtick.
        
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        July 12, 2022 11:11pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      The “Ute Tax”. You are almost certainly right.
      
      It won’t be abolished since the tax on high emissions vehicles funds the grant on low emissions vehicles. However, I expect work related vehicles (farmers and tradies utes) where there is no practical alternative, will be exempt.
      
      As a broader point, because National has supported the overall emissions targets, it has to be serious about climate change issues. The vehicle emissions levy is working. The uptake of Hybrids and BEV has hugely increased. National can hardly support the emissions reductions targets and then go about dismantling all the things that will actually achieve the goal.
      
      I would also note it was a bit mischievous for David Seymour (on Q & A) to claim the 90 day policy as Act’s initiative. In fact I introduced a Members Bill on this issue in 2006. It got to Select Committee on the basis of a NZF vote, but they voted against after the Select Committee report. The policy became National Party policy in 2008. I had researched all the trial periods across the OECD, which ranged from 90 days to 2 years. I chose 90 days because I thought it would have the best chance of serving a change of government. So far it sort of has, though it is now limited to firms with less than 20 employees.
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:26am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        EVs are going to take over because they will be cheaper, more durable and less costly to maintain than ICE vehicles in a few years. Learning curves guarantee this ~20% reduction in cost for every doubling in production mean about 40% production cost reduction in EV’s is still to come as their production becomes dominant, while ICE cars will get more expensive as their volumes drop.
        
        EV drivetrains are already cheaper in lower volume ‘executive’ market segments – a Tesla model S costs no more than an equivalent BMW or Audi, and that has permeated down to ‘D’ segment Tesla Model Y costing about as much to produce as an Audi A4 (Tesla have 33% profit margins on their cars, most other car companies 5-10%). No subsidies or punitive ICE taxes are required to see transition happen, and NZ doing so is a complete waste of time given we are such a miniscule market that mostly relies on Japanese 2nd hand imports rather than wastefully expensive new cars.
        
        In short get rid of the market-distorting regulation. It’s pointless expensive virtue signalling nonsense that will not speed the switch over to EVS (that will be driven by market economics and Japanese second hand market anyway) and not in the best interests of NZ or the environment.
        
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        July 12, 2022 11:57am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I’m not going to try to argue with you any longer. You are part of the problem. Petroleum is in the ETS. A ‘feebate’ has zero impact on emissions in a country with an ETS with a hard cap. It is simply a regressive boondoggle.
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:24pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The uptake of Hybrids and BEV has hugely increased. ”
        
        🙁 This is so frustrating.
        
        Of course they have. But the policy has had (by definition) zero impact on New Zealand emissions. Apart from agriculture, the only way to reduce New Zealand emissions is to withdraw units from the ETS.
        
        Honestly, you would have been just as happy in the Labour Party.
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        @Urban
        ICE cars aren’t going away.
        The move will be away from EV as ICE cars will be powered by Hydrogen.
        https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/toyota-commissions-yamaha-motor-to-develop-hydrogen-fueled-engine.html
        JCB are well advanced in this and have working prototypes now (never knew they build 2 million engines a year!)
        The long terms costs of EV are understated.
        As are the environmental problems caused by the mining.
        There is also the problem that Insurance companies are becoming nervous about insuring EVs when they are shipped due to fire risk.
        We are seeing Body Corps in the US banning them from their Buildings due to the fire risk.
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:47pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        All on Red; I am not arguing that ICE cars are going to disappear – there area lot of use cases that make sense for them, including remote locations, off-road, recreational, But hydrogen is a shitty fuel for cars. Easily transported and stored synthetic hydrocarbon fuels will (long term) rule that market. Desert PV (now $0.02-0.03/kWh) is cheap enough to (at large scale with predicted electrolyser cost improvements) produce hydrogen and from there synthetic hydrocarbon fuels at much less than $100/barrel – cheaper than current oil prices.
        
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        July 12, 2022 1:17pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Benedict,
        
        “But the policy has had (by definition) zero impact on New Zealand emissions.”
        
        Frankly, you statement does not make sense. Given that the policy has increased the uptake of Hybrids and BEVs, therefore resulting, over time, in a reduction in the percentage of the overall vehicle fleet that are ICE vehicles, then surely that reduces CO2 emissions.
        
        I appreciate that the ETS applies to petrol, but the current level of the carbon price on a litre of petrol is not sufficient, of itself, to change behaviour. And that is what is required to actually reduce emissions. As opposed to, for instance, buying offshore credits to preserve forests in the tropics, thinking that will automatically reduce emissions. Actual behaviour has to change in order to reduce emissions. Hence the additional incentive of the vehicle levy to encourage change.
        
        On your argument there is no point in the airline industry doing any anything to make less emitting engines, since all they have to do is buy credits.
        
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        July 12, 2022 1:37pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @Wayne, Benedict’s point is that when you reduce your consumption under the ETS you just allow someone else to Increase theirs.
        
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        July 12, 2022 2:32pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        EV take up will grind to a halt when electricity to charge them is rationed, or worse.
        
        Will also be amusing when the ferries refuse to ship them across Cook Strait.
        
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        July 12, 2022 4:29pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Sorry Wayne. I have tried. You just do not get it. You never will. I am pleased you are no longer in government.
        
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        July 12, 2022 7:42pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Addendum – and I say this to you as someone who has advised governments on climate change policies for 25 years, including New Zealand governments. You are utterly misguided.
        
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        July 12, 2022 7:47pm
    - rouppe
      
      For example selling off RNZ and TVNZ, you don’t let the public service manage it – bring in some smart folk from offshore.
      
      Pfft. A previous organisation I worked in brought in some “smart folk from offshore” by way of McKinsey. Complete upheaval of the IT division, numbering close to a thousand people.
      
      “We are moving IT to Auckland” was the pronouncement. A slew of redundancies followed. Then 90% of those remaining said “not moving we’ll take the redundancy too”. Then they delayed it “for operational continuity”. Then covid happened. Now it’s been abandoned.
      
      A complete fuck up. Morale is in the toilet. The managers who oversaw the process left because no one respected them anymore.
      
      McKinsey are nowhere to be seen.
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:51pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Management consultants are just arse-covering whipping boys for C-suite. You tell them what you want, they write down an extended written ‘independent’ justification of your desires in a long and expensive report in which they pretend they arrive at answer at end rather than a priori, and then C-suite have someone else to blame if it blows up in their face.
        
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        July 12, 2022 2:27pm
  - Taieri
    
    It only works when the young people in the media go through an education system based around left wing ideology.
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    In the meantime, it would appear that the young people are severely discriminated against. There’s an evident breach of the Bill of Rights as shown in the unjustified age discrimination, which is preventing 16-17 years old rangitahi from voting in the Aotearoa elections. At least according to Make It 16 co-director Sanat Singh.
    
    I’d like to suggest that the 14-15 years old group is similarly discriminated against, as they are also not currently allowed to vote. In fact, there should not be any limits at all. Voting age limits are the residue of the colonial and racist past and it’s a high time to dispense with such relics and to allow our rangitahi to have their say in the matters concerning the future of Aotearoa.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:35am
    - MCōs
      
      “It only works when the young people in the media go through an education system based around left wing ideology.”
      Back in the 1970’s NZ switched from imperial to the metric system of weights and measures.
      It was, of course, a left wing scheme of some sort to subvert the intelligence of the impressionable socialists.
      America has always been more conservative and continue to stick with the wonderfully challenging imperial system and the British have a bob each way.
      
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      July 12, 2022 3:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Waikato University?
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:30pm
Yvette

HealthCARE
Doctors are warning the Government there is a risk of a catastrophic collapse of the healthcare workforce.
The Women in Medicine Charitable Trust surveyed more than 900 doctors, half in primary care and half in secondary care, and says the response reveals profound distress over widespread understaffing and under-resourcing.
Of the doctors surveyed, 99 percent agreed there was currently a health workforce crisis in New Zealand.
Many doctors felt their concerns had been disregarded for years and the pandemic had exposed longstanding workforce problems, the trust said.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/07/doctors-warn-government-there-s-risk-of-catastrophic-collapse-of-healthcare-workforce.html

7 April 2020
Statement from the Prime Minister on Dr David Clark
Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister
“Yesterday evening the Health Minister advised me of his trip to a beach during the lockdown and offered his resignation,” Jacinda Ardern said.
“Under normal conditions I would sack the Minister of Health. What he did was wrong, and there are no excuses.
“But right now, my priority is our collective fight against COVID-19. We cannot afford massive disruption in the health sector or to our response. For that reason, and that reason alone, Dr Clark will maintain his role.
“But he does need to pay a price. He broke the rules.
“While he maintains his Health portfolio, I am stripping him of his role as Associate Finance Minister and demoting him to the bottom of our Cabinet rankings.
“I expect better, and so does New Zealand,” Jacinda Ardern said.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/statement-prime-minister-dr-david-clark

So, Jacinda said “We cannot afford massive disruption in the health sector or to our [covid] response” over dismissing one man, then had Andrew Little restructure the entire Health Sector ʻDoctors are warning the Government there is a risk of a catastrophic collapse of the healthcare workforce”.

I do know where some of the $1.9 billion “spent” on mental health should have gone!

But, apart from adding more stress and uncertainty to the healthcare workforce, doctors and nurses, A Little ( get it?) restructuring does seem to have Little (again) impact – so far it is talking and arranging the deck chairs – typical of this fucking Government and the only hope the medical workers have.

The new Māori Health Authority has a budget of half a billion dollars and CEO Riana Manuel has allocated $100 million of that to support centuries-old treatments.
“Connecting people back to those spaces and places that have been long forgotten is certainly something that will be investing in,” Manuel said.
Just like they do with Matariki, Māori use maramataka as a way of reading the cosmos to prepare for what’s coming. <
"It's a way of rebuilding the body, your wairua, and rebuilding your energy and getting prepared for the high energy days ahead," Makiha said.
"So it goes in waves like that and if people understand it and go back to that rather than rush, rush, rush every day, I think that’s what drives a lot of the ill-health.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/07/how-maori-use-maramataka-to-care-for-mental-health-issues-and-how-the-practice-will-be-incorporated-into-treatment-by-maori-health-authority.html

Apply maramataka when you are trying to stop blood spurting onto the Emergency Room floor?
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July 12, 2022 9:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “has allocated $100 million of that to support centuries-old treatments.”
  
  I am all for it. If there are double blind clinical trials that show that the ‘centuries-old’ treatments are more effective than the conventional treatments.
  
  Easy. Get 500 Maori suffering from mental health problems. Split them into two groups at random. Treat Group A with treatments from 1400. Treat Group B with anti psychotics, anti depressants, and proven therapy and counselling. Six months later compare outcomes of the two groups.
  
  Now why is that too much to expect?
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:57am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    You know what we call alternative medicine that has been scientifically proven to work?
    
    Medicine.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:02am
  - mawm
    
    Because the psychotropic drugs probably cause more harm so the comparison might not be valid. But what would work is for Maori to return to centuries old life style and forgo the use of weed by their youth. The improvement in their mental health would be remarkable.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:20am
- Ehlana
  
  “It’s a way of rebuilding the body, your wairua, and rebuilding your energy and getting prepared for the high energy days ahead,”. Sounds just like the old Western custom of a Sabbath day of rest.
  
  “Connecting people back to those spaces and places that have been long forgotten is certainly something that will be investing in,”. How will our new health authority do this for non-Maori New Zealanders? Will we be seeing state-sponsored advertising for your local church sometime soon?
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:00am
  - Yvette
    
    And, a further question, Will this “… way of rebuilding the body, your wairua, and rebuilding your energy and getting prepared for the high energy days ahead”, so maramataka – if people understand it and go back to that rather than rush, rush, rush every day – be the slightest positive factor in solving the risk of a catastrophic collapse of the healthcare workforce? – like, Physician, heal thyself ?
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:10pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Oddly enough, there may prove to be a connection between looking after your own health and reduced demand for medical services. If we stopped using non-medical drugs and starting getting enough sleep, eating (mostly plants and not too much) and moving more I wonder if our healthcare system might turn out to be sufficient after all.
      
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      July 12, 2022 1:53pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not to mention switching off the intraweb connection on a regular and frequent basis.
        
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        July 12, 2022 4:31pm
Yvette

Masking the truth
Ministry of Health officials advised the Government to distribute less effective surgical masks to vulnerable communities … because “a possible perception by some individuals that they are ‘protected’ by a higher grade of mask may increase complacency and reduce compliance with fundamental infection prevention and control practices: … such as staying home when sick, physical distancing or hand washing.”
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ministry-urged-to-update-mask-and-isolation-advice

Note – N95 or P2 respirators, and some alternative masks have an estimated fitted filtration efficiency of up to 98 percent, compared with around 38.5 percent for a surgical (usual blue) mask

Meanwhile, consider that –
Ardern continues to say a move to the ‘red’ traffic light setting wouldn’t make a “marked difference”, but that people can take action “at a personal level” …
“We have a number of measures that other countries don’t continue to use and they are, of course, mask-use, the fact that we continue to isolate cases and their family members and, of course, we are seeking those over 50 to get their booster. Those three things make a huge difference”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/07/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-s-simple-request-to-kiwis-as-cases-surge-addresses-concerns-over-red.html

So it seems us general peasants are foist with masks – only about 40 percent the efficiency of better masks – because we are assumed to be too bloody stupid to have the responsibility that Ardern now expects us – second quote – to show in performing the measures that other countries don’t continue to use: mask-use (inefficient as they are), to isolate, and see those over 50 to get their booster – all now responsible moves by us apparently irresponsible people, so Ardern won’t have to command we go to the politically suicidal red traffic light setting.

Oxymoronic a little?
But I suggest we actually don’t do too much about it for now – just bloody REMEMBER this and surprise her on Election Day next year.
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July 12, 2022 10:06am
- Ross Campbell
  
  According to the prevailing attitude on KB masks are useless and don’t work so why are you worried about the quality of them all of a sudden?.
  Of course if you genuinely are concerned versus just having a rant there is nothing stopping you from purchasing your own N95 or P2 respirator as they are widely available.
  Also I can rent you a cherry picker at a much lower price than the one you are currently using.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Mike
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:33pm
  - Yvette
    
    Ross Campbell – or Mike
    You seem to totally miss the point that the Government makes, to them, a vital decision based on their assumed stupidity of New Zealanders in general. And get away with it.
    In the particular case of individuals – like you, may I suggest – that they may be right.
    
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    July 12, 2022 1:54pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Ross, I think you’re missing the point. If the government believes masks are effective and places so much importance on protecting the most vulnerable that it shut down the country the way it did, how on earth can it justify choosing the mask that was half as effective?
    
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    July 12, 2022 2:11pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Others on here are more skilled at explaining these things than me but I’ll give it a go.
      They introduced substandard masks on purpose to keep Covid infections spreading therefore giving the tyrant Ardern the justifications to keep mandates and other controls in place.
      It was completely planned and all part of the “Great Reset” of which we know she is a disciple along with all the other globalist stooges who currently are in power in the west.
      How did I do?.
      
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      July 12, 2022 2:51pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Can I get some of what you’re smoking?
        You have to be on something to have that sort of personality change. 🙂
        
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        July 12, 2022 3:37pm
Matt Long

https://youtu.be/afKPyjk37tQ
Jordan Peterson on how printing money and zoning laws are creating elites versus poverty through asset price inflation for the rich and basic provisions cost inflation for the poor.
Best line , have yachts versus have nots.
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July 12, 2022 10:13am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM5rq93c12w
Joe Biden sold 1 million Strategic Petrol Reserve barrels to China.

Joe Biden has spent the past few months blaming Russia for increased oil prices but James Morrow now reveals that Joe Biden sold 1 million strategic petrol reserve barrels to Chinese state controlled oil giant Sinopec. Interestingly, Hunter Biden has a stake in Sinopec. A private equity firm he co-founded bought a $1.7 billion stake in the company in 2015. The Washington Free Beacon revealed, Sinopec then ‘went on to enter negotiations to purchase Gazprom in March, one month after the Biden administration sanctioned the Russian gas giant.’ James Morrow says the Biden administration is ‘window dressing by playing with the strategic oil reserves’ [4:04]
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July 12, 2022 10:17am
- All_on_Red
  
  “Looks like you are in the clear”
  -Joe Biden to Hunter Biden voice message.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:42am
  - kowtow
    
    No way that was said by Biden Snr , it’s actually a comprehensible sentence , making sense and properly expressed.
    
    Abulathabelaputabubblethert………
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:15pm
- MCōs
  
  As a comparison NZ uses one million barrels of oil every six days.
  It’s not a lot in the big scheme of things.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:56am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    As a comparison, the US federal tax take is about $3.86 Trillion.
    
    Stealing a million dollars isn’t a lot in the big scheme of things.
    
    It’s still corruption and it’s still a million dollars though.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:18am
  - Bluegrass
    
    Defence lawyer to jury – my client has been accused of robbing a bank. We deny it, but even if he did, he only stole a million dollars. I mean, it’s not a lot in the big scheme of things…”.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:30pm
- Nickc2
  
  What really pisses me off about this whole deal is that American people in authority don’t get prosecuted for their illegal acts (eg Biden clan).
  If it were anyone else, they’d be hung out to dry and never see the light of day. But no, people like the Bidens, Clintons, and Pelosiss’ zip, nadda, nuttin.
  How can a country that sanctions such behaviour be classified as the leader of the ~~free world~~ ………?
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:33am
  - MCōs
    
    Perhaps it wasn’t an illegal act?
    Perhaps Hunter Biden has had no involvement with Sinopec for three years?
    https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jul/11/why-us-selling-stockpiled-oil-china-we-have-answer/
    Who’s this Morrow chap?
    Among other things a ‘Stop the Steal’ conspiracy peddler.
    Check his bank balance.
    
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    July 12, 2022 4:28pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Read some of Miranda Devines columns about the Bidens in the NY Post
      Lots there
      
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      July 12, 2022 4:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So blatant
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:34pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-137GtEYLw
A revolution is underway in the Netherlands.

The EU has been an increasingly oppressive and unaccountable entity, serving the interests of a small handful of well placed actors, all at the expense of European citizens. It’s refreshing to see individual Europeans from different countries coming together to resist the EU’s destructive policies.
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July 12, 2022 10:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Netherlands is the second biggest exporter of food globally. Little known.
  
  https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/latest-news/weblog/blog-posts/2021/dutch-export-of-agricultural-goods-in-2020
  
  New Zealand is about #20.
  
  The Netherlands Government wants to reduce agricultural production to reduce climate emissions. Same thing is happening here. Sadly New Zealand farmers are not quite as good as rioting as New Zealand farmers. There is also a good track record of European farmers rioting and forcing Governments to back down.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Did you mean not quite as good at rioting as Netherlands farmers?
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:02am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      yes 🙂 Thanks for that.
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:09am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      ^^^Fans of rioting…
      
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      July 12, 2022 11:20am
      - Yabster
        
        no fans of standing up against left wing dumb policies – you may riot too milkdud if the Government comes to take your land..?
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:04pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        mikduds got no worries…
        he knows they wouldn’t be interested in his rented bedsit 😀
        
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        July 12, 2022 12:54pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The European non farming community remember hunger, the memory is being lost as the generation that lived through WW2 is passing away.
    The gaia led policies in New Zealand and around the world will remind people, who cannot conceive they have voted for it, of what hunger is.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:04am
    - kowtow
      
      Funny, in the Eighties the great and the good were all about being seen to be concerned about feeding the starving masses who’d been destroyed by human policy induced famine .(socialism, civil wars , genocides)
      
      Now the great and the good want the masses to starve because they, the great and the good, now want to be seen to be concerned about the weather.
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:20pm
      - mawm
        
        Yes, I remember when they wanted to feed the starving millions in Africa. All those pop stars sang for naught. I wonder what Sir Bob has to say about it all? Bono?
        
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        July 12, 2022 4:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Is it REALLY about the ‘climate-crisis?
    
    https://twitter.com/kiansimone44/status/1546204149796446208
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:05am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      WEF shill. Same as Ardern and Trudeau.
      
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      July 12, 2022 10:49pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yeah I thought the dutch only exported clogs. So, it was news to me. Aparrently, the revoloution in the Austrian Netherlands in 1788 was initially thought to be more signifigant than the one in France a year later.
    
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    July 12, 2022 3:12pm
Maggie Pie

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Amazing some of the stuff 4chan has turned up on Hunter Biden’s phone 😛

https://twitter.com/DonaldTrumpJr/status/1546313223380639744
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July 12, 2022 10:24am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, just observe how the Twitter bot swamp brings out the ‘what abouts’. Thankfully the Twitter share price dive will see the blog left with this scum as all sensible people flee.
  
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  July 12, 2022 10:32am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The photos of his topless, underage niece snorting cocaine with him are slightly more problematic than arguing with a hooker about how much cocaine he has.
  
  Also, apparently his name for Joe is “Pedo Pete”.
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:15am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Sorry, the topless cocaine snorter was his ex girlfriend. The niece was just in a couple less risque photos, but still pretty dodgy.
    
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    July 12, 2022 11:38am
Frank the tank

And the left used to get angry when Sarah Palin used to hold her gun in a bikini…….
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July 12, 2022 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No concealed carry?
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:37pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Nah, they’ve moved on to Lauren Boebert now.
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:55pm
Frank the tank

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/new-zealand-got-it-wrong-the-man-vying-to-topple-jacinda-ardern-and-open-up-the-nation-20220709-p5b0bl.html

Te Reo finally getting some traction. Yes Te Reo she got it biggly wrong – where were you when the menace was locking us down – nodding silently in the corner?

An apology would be nice.
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July 12, 2022 10:53am
- Jack5
  
  National would have been better if Bridges and Bennett were still running it.
  
  As a former airline chief, Luxon in the interview is awake to the obvious benefits of temporary immigration to the tourism sector, but from that he drifts into multiculturism.
  
  From the “Sydney Morning Herald” report:
  
  He said he was focusing on fielding a diverse list of candidates at the next election, saying his commercial experience had proven that diversity brought with it “richer thinking”.
  
  Here, Mr Luxon, is one assessment of the world’s 10 most diverse countries, from most first:
  
  Cameroon, Nigeria, Togo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Kenya, Guinea-Bissau, Republic of Congo, Ivory Coast, Liberia.
  
  Richer thinking, Mmm.
  
  Aso from the interview as reported in Sydney:
  
  Luxon wants New Zealand to urgently welcome more temporary and permanent migrants to boost productivity and alleviate inflation. He has flagged an overhaul of New Zealand’s working holiday visa, extending the eligibility age from 30 to 35 and allowing repeat visits.
  “We’ve got massive skills gaps everywhere, we’ve got to open the place up,”
  
  In NZ we’ve had one of the highest rates of immigration in the developed world, and our productivity performance is poor.
  
  And immigration to alleviate inflation? That’s pretty much saying pressure wages down to beat inflation. Are there no monetarists in National? Has no-one read Milton Friedman?
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:52pm
  - Swifty
    
    “Diversity….”
    
    Tell that to the Brethren, they own half of Palmy.
    
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    July 12, 2022 1:58pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Our productivity performance would be much worse without immigration. Regulation, tax, bureaucratic growth, poor education and welfare ghettos are all dragging it down. Immigration has countered that introducing people with the brains and will to work.
    
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    July 12, 2022 2:46pm
    - Jack5
      
      Intelligent immigration, yes, promotes economic growth, though not always productivity.
      
      For example does temporary, seasonal immigration of fruit pickers stimulate or delay productivity growth that comes, or would come, from mechanisation of robotic harvesting?
      
      Friedman, the monetarist, had it right on inflation, in my humble view. That is:
      
      “Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output.”
      
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      July 12, 2022 3:40pm
    - mawm
      
      “brains and will to work. ” The absolute bottom line but one first has to get past the NZ Qualifications Authority or whatever mumbo jumbo it is now called. It’s far easier to arrive as an uneducated, unskilled economic migrant claiming asylum.
      
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      July 12, 2022 5:04pm
surfing

What does one do when metservice issues 40 weather warnings, and explains that an atmospheric river of rain is crossing the country?

I know, go tramping by a river…

“Emergency services are also responding to a group of trampers who are trapped by a surging river near the base of the Tuahu track in the Manawaru area in the Waikato.”

Why are people so stupid?
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July 12, 2022 11:14am
- greybeard
  
  Attention seekers.
  Did any of them have pink hair?
  
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  July 12, 2022 3:00pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s just winter weather. Rain, wind, snow – t’was ever thus.
  
  The breathless weather auto cue readers have mainlined on disaster porn; it’s used as a segue to climate change.
  
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  July 12, 2022 4:37pm
Pheobe

Just to lighten your day.
A Pastor entered his donkey in a race and it won.
The Pastor was so pleased with the donkey that he entered it in the race again and it won again.
The local paper read: PASTOR’S ASS OUT FRONT.
The Bishop was so upset with this kind of publicity that he ordered the Pastor not to enter the donkey in another race.
The next day the local paper headline read: BISHOP SCRATCHES PASTOR’S ASS.
This was too much for the Bishop so he ordered the Pastor to get
rid of the donkey.
The Pastor decided to give it to a Nun in a nearby convent.
The local paper, hearing of the news, posted the following headline the next day: NUN HAS BEST ASS IN TOWN.
The Bishop fainted.
He informed the Nun that she would have to get rid of the donkey so she sold it to a farm for $10.
The next day the paper read: NUN SELLS ASS FOR $10
This was too much for the Bishop so he ordered the Nun to buy back the donkey and lead it to the plains where it could run wild.
The next day the headlines read: NUN ANNOUNCES HER ASS IS WILD AND FREE.
The Bishop was buried the next day.
The moral of the story is . . . being concerned about public opinion can bring you much grief and misery and even shorten your life.
So be yourself and enjoy life.
Stop worrying about everyone else’s ass and just cover your own !!!
You’ll be a lot happier and live longer!
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July 12, 2022 11:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anchorage, Alaska Trump Rally.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1065156214420025
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July 12, 2022 11:32am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Rally, Anchorage. From the Anchorage Daily News. Some driving over 300km just to get there.
A lot of our Alaskan friends went – some are Democrats LOL!
https://www.adn.com/politics/2022/07/09/in-alaska-rally-trump-bashes-murkowski-and-glorifies-palin-tshibaka-and-himself/
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July 12, 2022 11:37am
Nickc2

Trump’s toy refurbished. No, it’s not Melania.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/07/hes-running-again.html
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July 12, 2022 11:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thanks. I was looking for this the other day. Let me at it, I can spray, and I’m pretty good at it!
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:51pm
Maggie Pie

Sooo pleased when they got rid of that painful John Campbell off One Breakfast.
Still never watch it though.
The one thing I can’t bare is a guy with feminine-mannerisms.
Makes me feel nauseous!
If you ask me, I think it’s a case of f**ked-up DNA.
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July 12, 2022 12:06pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  “The one thing I can’t bare is a guy with feminine mannerisms”
  Have you shared your concerns with your partner?.
  
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  July 12, 2022 12:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I can understand your frustrations Ross.
    One can only imagine what it must be like waking up next to milkey every morning 🙁
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:36pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Nice try but unfortunately that fails the logic test because according to yourself we are both the same person….
      
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      July 12, 2022 12:42pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Inside every milkey these is a Ross trying to get out 😛
        
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        July 12, 2022 1:06pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        My, Myself and Irene’s dildo scene springs to mind but which alter ego is Hank and which is Charlie?
        
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        July 12, 2022 2:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Mike
    
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    July 12, 2022 12:53pm
- Bluegrass
  
  Is ‘bare’ a Freudian slip?
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:40pm
Jack5

Anyone here read the blowhard, Simon Wilson, today, thankfully tucked behind the paywall in the Herald?

He’s attacking Seymour for criticising Three Waters and the Maori Health Authority as racist.

Is Wilson trying to be an NZ Uncle Tom?

Here, from Wikipedia, is an explanation of the term:

The term “Uncle Tom” is used as a derogatory epithet for an excessively subservient person, particularly when that person perceives their own lower-class status based on race.
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July 12, 2022 12:24pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just saying rumor doing the rounds down the Viaduct, is that things may not go too well for those individuals connected with the NZF Foundation trial.
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July 12, 2022 1:05pm
All_on_Red

Some suggestions on how the Musk/Twitter fight could end
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/11/8-ways-the-elon-musk-twitter-saga-could-end.html
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July 12, 2022 1:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Was Elon ever really going to buy Twitter….or just expose it?
  
  https://twitter.com/Most_Maximus/status/1546332694547767296
  
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  July 12, 2022 1:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Here is why Musk didn’t buy twitter.
  
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  July 12, 2022 2:23pm
GT Build

I think the MSM are not reporting the Ram raids as there was 2 in Papakura Drury overnight and nothing in the MSM that I could find. They must of been told to quieten it down and not report so many
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July 12, 2022 1:16pm
- Ehlana
  
  Easy GT, if talking about things makes them happen (eliminating poverty, Kiwibuild, everything else Labour has promised but not delivered) then not talking about them makes them not happen.
  
  No coverage of crime = no crime.
  
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  July 12, 2022 2:15pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Be nothing stopping a few of you guys here looking like this…..

https://twitter.com/Martyfields/status/1545660497424687111
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July 12, 2022 2:06pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  My God that’s awful, Maggie.
  
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  July 12, 2022 2:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Couldn’t see it going down to well in Moerewa, Al 😀
    
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    July 12, 2022 3:05pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      What a freak show that was. 🙁
      
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      July 12, 2022 3:44pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Do you have its contact phone number please?
  
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  July 12, 2022 5:10pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I didn’t realise Mike worked as a catwalk model?
  
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  July 12, 2022 11:21pm
Jim

I hope members of the NZ agricultural sector are closely watching the developments of the green agenda in Sri Lanka and particularly the Netherlands. You will be next.

The corporate elite globalists thought they could control the world via finance sector, but then realised they needed to control energy (green), but the Canadian truckers/farmers showed them that food is the key to controlling the proletariat.

Here’s a short report from GB News UK (one of the few outlets reporting it)

https://youtu.be/STZvIvcQH70
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July 12, 2022 2:14pm
mandk

Well blow me down.

It looks like an abortion advocate in the US made up the story about a 10 year old incest victim having to travel out of state for an abortion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtE3WPErz0

It even looks like the liberal Washington Post doesn’t believe the story either.
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July 12, 2022 2:33pm
Swifty

The level of waste from this government has reached just sickening levels.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/300635265/te-pkenga-scrambles-to-sort-out-deficit-crisis-while-union-says-organisation-not-broken

The left pretend to care about New Zealand families having enough money to put food on their tables but meanwhile gorge and feast themselves on the tax taken from those same families.

And then waste the rest.
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July 12, 2022 4:10pm
Warren

Kainga Ora faces 60 years of unmanageable debt , Megan Woods warned. Housing Minister warned not to exceptany budget requests from Kainga Ora until getting HUD’stratergy.
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/public-sector-project/kainga-ora-faces-60-years-of-unmanageable-debt-megan-woods-warned
Labour spending like drunkard sailors and apparently not worried of which generation will have to pay for it. This is another example just like the $1.2 Billion payed out to motel owners since 2019.
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July 12, 2022 4:15pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The morons first regulate the housing market to destruction and then throw money at the wreckage to house its victims. The beneficiaries of the regulation laugh all the way to the bank and the victims are too clueless to know what happened. Meanwhile the money-wasting devalues the currency and makes NZ poorer. And our media is too thick or corrupt to utter a squeak.
  
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  July 12, 2022 6:51pm
Maggie Pie

JUST IN.

More from uncle Hunter’s phone….

https://twitter.com/Nathaniel2022x/status/1546272939749904384
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July 12, 2022 4:23pm
Surely Knott

If you die of Covid the media don’t name you because of privacy. But if you die in a car in Remuera, you are publicly named. The police were reluctant to give the name,but the media persisted and named the lady, her living situation, how clean she kept her car, and her personal details of being homeless are made front page news.

Arguably when you die of Covid it should be in the public interest who you are and how you died because that data is being used to coerce you into various behaviours lockdowns, taking an experimental vaccine etc. So we deserve to know the details of those deaths and we don’t get them , they are just covid deaths.

But a woman who dies quietly in her car, and her homelessness, becomes front page news. Why?
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July 12, 2022 5:28pm
kowtow

“you are literally Noah’s Ark”

Ardern at the Pacific Islands Forum

Literally ?

The Great Communicador?
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July 12, 2022 6:19pm
Hugh Jarse

TV3 had some very concerning graphics on the news tonight outlining the significant growth in delayed cancer surgeries and elective surgery since 2020. What is also very concerning is how bad is the Health system going to have to get before Dr Angry Doolittle or our PM actually stop lying and admit there is a crisis in the Health system ?.
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