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blue collar

If Robinson won’t get rid of fozzy , then he needs to go too
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July 10, 2022 8:04am
- pdm
  
  What were the differences between last week and this week with the All Blacks?
  
  1. Foster and Plumtree back.
  2. Whitelock out – how the hell was he not named Captain through to the end of the World Cup?
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:53am
  - MCōs
    
    Playing with 14 men for 64min didn’t help.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:17am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      13 men for 20 mins as well, plus we played 16
      
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      July 10, 2022 10:19am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then don’t infringe. They were lucky not to get a 2nd red.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:14am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Don’t talk crap, the first one was clearly an accident, the second one was a straight clash of heads, in fact the Irish guy brought his head down, and that’s what split the guys head open, infringe you say, twice I seen us penalised for the clean out, but when Fakatava came on he was taken out of play every time the ball came near him, but that was different
        
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        July 10, 2022 11:22am
      - I remember when
        
        Hard not to infringe when referees largely make it up as they go. How often does the word ‘accidental’ get mentioned, only red or yellow.
        They endlessly review tries and head contacts, yellow cards otherwise not at all.
        If an attacker lowers a shoulder which results in head contact – accident, defender the other way around, even when the attacker is controlling the contact.
        Bad contacts would be considerably reduced if attackers weren’t allowed to suddenly pop out from behind a player in an offside position.
        
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        July 10, 2022 11:50am
      - rouppe
        
        Actually, G, that red was deserved. A table is supposed to be around the waist.
        
        Unintentional or no, a stop has to be put to upright tackling.
        
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        July 10, 2022 1:31pm
      - yossarian
        
        So two guys accidentally run into each other and the guy with the ball is innocent and the guy without the ball is guilty.
        
        What would happen if two guys ran into each and the same thing happened, but no one had the ball? Would both be sent off? Or both stay on?
        
        What if two players from the same team clashed heads? If it’s about safety then again both would need to be red carded, wouldn’t they?
        
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        July 10, 2022 1:46pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        G – I didn’t write the rules and I’m not a referee.
        If you’re correct then the referee is obviously being paid off by somebody which could be true but almost certainly isn’t.
        I agree the current refereeing systems are over complicated and they detract from the game. But based on the current rules and how they are interpreted the red was justified and their should have been a second. I don’t agree with how the rules are being interpreted, but they are the current rules.
        It’s the same with VAR in football in the Premier League. Ask anyone who follows the round ball game how frustrating that is. Constant stops to review decisions, lines imposed on computer screens to check for offsides that come down to millimetres. It’s slowly being refined. But people who thought that bringing it in would make refereeing easier and better were wrong. It’s become even more controversial.
        
        So no, I wasn’t talking “crap”. I gave an opinion and you disagree with it. That’s a different thing entirely.
        
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        July 11, 2022 8:25am
  - RoboRob
    
    Foster was bad last year and its obvious this year the team plays better without him. Pity they would never change coach this close to the WRC.
    
    Poor coaching and poor team selection.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:25am
    - JerJer
      
      We don’t Fozzie gone. Fozzie is great. We need him. He is doing an appalling job as coach. But NZers are so stupid that they get down about the All Blacks losing and this effects elections in NZ apparently (which is good because the negative bit goes to the government). So, we just need to suck this up. Fozzie is going to do a great job of assisting Cindy out of office. After that he can get fired and we can have NZ and the All Blacks back on track.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:19am
      - leoj
        
        Amen.
        Everything turns to shit under a Labour government.
        
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        July 10, 2022 12:42pm
    - redeye
      
      I blame Ted. He was head of the appointment panel that decided on Foster.
      Henry has too much sway for a guy that couldn’t coach himself.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:51am
      - yossarian
        
        Was Ted a great coach? Or did he reside over a side that had a fill of once in a generation players?
        
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        July 10, 2022 1:49pm
      - Cinematic
        
        Sorry, what?
        
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        July 10, 2022 2:27pm
    - I remember when
      
      If there is a ‘master plan’ it is very well disguised.
      Very difficult to see what the eventual goal is for the World Cup.
      It just seems to be to play at top speed and if that doesn’t work, to try to play even faster.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:55am
  - notreadyet
    
    agree, Whitelock or even Savea
    
    cane was names way to early when not necessary limiting options and injury prone
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:21am
- rockape
  
  World rankings now :
  No 1 France
  No. 2 Ireland
  No 3 South Africa
  No 4 All Blacks
  
  World Cup just round the corner.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Thanks Foster and the Blazer Coat Brigade at NZBR!
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:16am
  - emmess
    
    I missed the game.
    I didn’t even know it was on, because I don’t look at, listen to or read the NZ legacy media (except for a few short Mike Hosking podcast clips, a week)
    Just subbed to the All Black’s YouTube channel, so hopefully that won’t happen again, in future.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Are you sure? World rankings were out this week, All Blacks moved up to second
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:20am
    - rockape
      
      Wales beat SA and Ireland beat ABs and France beat Italy. That changed the rankings. It doesn’t take much,sorry about that !
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:30am
    - rockape
      
      Wales beat SA and Ireland beat ABs. That changed the rankings. It doesn’t take much,sorry about that !
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:38am
      - I remember when
        
        It might be the time to mention that there was considerable debate about the team South Africa selected.
        There was talk of their selection being insulting.
        
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        July 10, 2022 12:00pm
      - Cassandra
        
        Talk of the “insulting” Boks selection was and is nonsense. SA has such depth that this game’s team could easily have beaten the previous one. Although they’d need 2 Etzebeths.
        
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        July 10, 2022 12:42pm
  - Toes on the nose
    
    ABS, have won 4 of the last 8. 2 of the wins were vs Italy and USA. NZR have 2 choices…keep moaning about ‘boring’ (not) nthn hemisphere beating us, or join the whole universe and pick ABS playing offshore.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:04pm
Lee C

“I believe one can be in politics and not lie”

Is a carefully constructed lie..

Discuss.
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July 10, 2022 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  Deceit of the population has reached new heights under this Labour government.
  
  I see it constantly.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:16am
- Philview
  
  A carefully worded statement that implies talking about ‘self’ but not necessarily. Jacinda Ardern likes to paint a picture that she is just a normal person when really she is a manipulative politician to the core.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:19am
- Cinematic
  
  I couldn’t care less about what that muppet has to say. Dumber than a sack of hammers.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  They lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them. — Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:48am
- kevn
  
  Waiting for the trifecta of know all apologists to appear…
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:49am
  - Ronin
    
    I heard a joke the other day:
    
    How many Jacinda Ardern supporters does it take to change a light bulb?
    
    None. She tells them it’s done, and they all clap in the dark.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:13am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Q: What did socialists use for light before candles?
      
      A: Electricity
      
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      July 10, 2022 10:20am
    - Bluegrass
      
      On the same note – how many social workers does it take to change a light bulb?
      
      Answer – none. They form a committee to counsel folk on Coping With Darkness.
      
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      July 11, 2022 12:00am
- Scooter
  
  She goes on to say that if she has made a mistake (maybe her word for lie) that she would be “transparent and front those mistakes” When has she ever done that, I can’t think of anytime that she has acknowledged that she has made a mistake either with her words, policies or ministers she has appointed.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:51am
- TS Child
  
  We are hyper social primates – we become like those we associate with – the science is surprisingly robust on this. So even if we enter politics with the intention to be completely honest, it is probably impossible to maintain that intention. However as a society, we set a lot of (?superficial) importance on honesty. Therefore we need to maintain the untruth that we can enter politics and not lie. Not much of a discussion for you LC, but best I can manage with brevity 🙂
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:51am
- RockyJ
  
  Everyone lies. It is human to lie. When my wife asks “does my bum look big in this?” I lie.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If you don’t lie, you will die/
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:14am
  - crikey
    
    Lying is best; don’t ever say “compared to what”!
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:35am
  - redeye
    
    There’s plent of answers to that without lying. How about “your bum is incredibly sexy and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise”.
    Big is a subjective term.
    Sadly I do remember a time honesty was a valued characteristic.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:59am
    - tavita
      
      Yes red, that is exactly what ja does, she refrains or ‘misinterpretes’ the question so she doesn’t have to lie. If she does that to deceive, I don’t call it honesty. What’s more, her statements often get reported as she intended us to hear, not what she actually said, but the misinterpretation is never corrected. So when everyone say ‘she said she never lies’ she never corrects that and clarifies that all she said was that she thought it was possible.
      
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      July 10, 2022 3:23pm
    - RockyJ
      
      No, no. That is a terrible answer. The question was not “does my bum look good”. The question was “does it look big?”
      Ye gods, do you not understand women?
      
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      July 10, 2022 4:15pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Gutsy stuff. I’m amazed you’re still alive for posting that. I trust she doesn’t know your pseudonym or read KB eh?
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:07pm
    - RockyJ
      
      She doesn’t read KB. Muahahaha
      
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      July 10, 2022 3:56pm
  - leoj
    
    Well, I don’t know about big but there is nothing wrong with your eye sight!
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  With a comms degree you can lie by just leaving the lie out.
  It is an art.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:16am
  - Jack5
    
    Back in the day, a “comms degree” was a useful qualification in subjects like accounting, economics, marketing.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:59pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Lee C – reminded me of this glorious clip. A first time MP in the Dutch parliament exposing the PM Mark Rutte, (another WEF global young leader) as a liar. This is quite astonishing, but helps explain the attack on farmers in that country presently. Coming to NZ very soon. We are being warned.
  
  Of course, the WEF/Great Reset narrative is a conspiracy theory. Milkey will be along in a minute to tell us why.
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/MEKUlyJkxWUF/
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:45am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Bare-faced lies in Parliament – what worse example can there be of lying hypocritical politicians?
    
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    July 10, 2022 1:18pm
  - tavita
    
    Well done that man. Was that widely reported in the media or do they have a similar tame MSM as we have here
    
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    July 10, 2022 3:29pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It wasn’t reported anywhere which shows just how controlled the whole media is. That’s why it’s on Bitchute, it’s been banned on Youtube. There is no “misinformation” in the clip other than the Dutch PM blatantly lying. It was taken off Youtube because it is inconvenient truth. The same happened to the many hundreds of genuine experts who spoke out about the insane measures being imposed to address the covid story.
      
      Here’s a clip from Sky Australia bringing attention to the facts.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAm1dww6SdA
      
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      July 11, 2022 8:19am
blue collar

Before govts and kings etc merchants used to run the show . They would organise their own security , produce their own goods and do their own deals .
Agents /family or themselves would Travel vast distances by sea or land . Relationships built on trust .
They had control of regions as they literally produced and taught the means to survive and prosper
Why the hell fo we need a govt ? Especially this one
Seems to me they are trying to destroy business and success . Attack independence and strength , abhor an entrepreneur …… a worker is scum with zero rights in their eyes ( any one who doesn’t rely on the state ) , asset owners the devil incarnate
I’m convinced they are trying to destroy a free and democratic society , deliberately . Some in labour may not even know they are participating.
Ain’t gonna work , labour won’t win again for 24 years and will be forever tainted
The biggest threat to prosperity for is the climate madness .
It must end
It is nothing more than organised piracy and will kill prosperity and the welfare of all .
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July 10, 2022 8:23am
- Lenticular
  
  Kings and despots predate merchants.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:44am
- pdm
  
  `labour won’t win again for 24 years’
  
  I just hope that election is after my 100th birthday – I don’t want my birthday party spoiled.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  It is all actually simple – this Government with all the best intentions, has actually no idea what they need to do to achiee any of it, when they were awarded power by Peters.
  From then on all lies and intentions, none of which have been achieved, due to the socialist dogma and corruption which followed.
  Just spend spend, and you will vote for us again.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:02am
  - crikey
    
    Paulus, are you sure this is a government ‘with all the best intentions’? I’m not.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:40am
    - tavita
      
      Every politician enters parliament with the hope that they will leave the world a better place than they found it. In other words they are all closet socialists.
      
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      July 10, 2022 3:34pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    
    For the atheists out there, that gem comes from the Good Book.
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:09pm
- MCōs
  
  “Why do we need a government?”
  
  You can’t be serious.
  
  Back in the days you’re talking about working class kids we’re working before they reached puberty and were dead by twenty five.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Labour seem to want to take us back to those days.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:17am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yes, but with “kindness”, the superficial treatment of symptoms (not underlying causes), that satisfies the feelz of low IQ voters, (and MPs) of left. Functionally equivalent to giving meth to an addict.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:48am
  - gump
    
    This conversation reminds me of the Monty Pythons famous sketch in Life of Brian:
    
    >“All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:56am
    - Jack5
      
      A great scene of the Judea People’s Front, Gump:
      
      https://youtu.be/4vbSRaXH3NM
      
      Like all great humour, there was real depth to Monty Python. Also here (skip the ad if there’s one):
      
      https://youtu.be/sFBOQzSk14c
      
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      July 10, 2022 1:03pm
Gravelroad

@ Lee C-
A personal belief is one thing.
Reality in party politics is another.
End of story.
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July 10, 2022 8:24am
Nukuleka

One in the eye for Wimbledon and its spiteful decision to introduce politics into sport by banning Russian and Belarusian players. With Moscow-born Elena Rybakina taking the Women’s title Putin’s smile will be as broad as the Volga. Own goal, Wimbledon. Congrats.
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July 10, 2022 8:29am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes, that must be nearly as satisfying as bombing shopping malls or serving polonium for afternoon tea.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:35am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’d agree with you if it was Putin the murdering tyrant heading to Wimbledon instead of Elena Rybakina the 23 year old tennis player.
    
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    July 10, 2022 8:53am
  - Nukuleka
    
    What on earth have you imbibed with your brekkie, Mike? Sour, sour, sour.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:04am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Oh, I’m happy for you that your hero dictator got some good news for a change.
      
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      July 10, 2022 9:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I bet you believe the Skripal fairy story too, eh milkey?! Go on, debate me on it. Tell me how 2 Russian agents took 50 ml of one of the deadliest nerve agents on the planet, enough to kill hundreds of thousands of people, spread it on a door knob, managed to get it to their target and he and his daughter survived.
    Go on, make my Sunday for me!
    
    And the shopping mall story is provably a propaganda construct. No, I’m not a Putin supporter. I’m an objective realist and I realise that western actions in using Ukraine as a proxy to try and undermine Russia is an abomination and criminal activity.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:22am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      You do know that spy services move dangerous goods via Diplomatic pouches Clan? Its easy for them to move what they like anywhere – even radioactive material which can be put in a shielded case for transport…..
      
      Whether the West is using Ukraine as a proxy against Russia is neither here nor there. Russia has zero right to invade the Ukraine. Zero
      
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      July 10, 2022 3:18pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        JBJ – has there ever been a time in history when a country had the “right” to invade another country? Serious question.
        I’ve never said the Russian’s have the right to do what they are doing. I’ve said all along it was entirely predictable due to extreme provocations from the US and their proxies in NATO. If that statement is wrong tell me how and why.
        
        Contrary to popular opinion among those who don’t like what I say about the conflict there, I’m not and never have been “pro” Putin, Russia or anything else in the ongoing war. I simply try and make sense of shit that makes little sense to me on a personal level. My simple analysis is that if the US and NATO hadn’t broken a promise after the fall of the Berlin wall and break up of the USSR, that they wouldn’t move NATO “one inch closer to Russia”, and if they hadn’t actively fomented the coup in 2014 in Ukraine with the clear intention of assimilating that country into NATO, then this wouldn’t have happened.
        
        If you want to discuss wrongful invasions of other countries then you really need to start with Uncle Sam. If we’re going to moralise about right and wrong then it would be nonsensical to start at Russia/Ukraine and work backwards. How about the fact the US still illegally occupies quarter of Syria?
        
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        July 11, 2022 8:34am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        JBJ – I have no idea how spy services move goods other than what I see in James Bond movies. How the “deadly” nerve agent got there I have no idea, or even if it did. What I do know from reading about the “deadly” nerve agent and what it does is that if it was what it was purported to be, there would have been many, many deaths. Possibly hundreds. At the very least the Skripals.
        The idea that the wannabe assassins then threw the apparently sealed perfume bottle of this extremely toxic substance into a rubbish bin only to be found by someone who gave it to his heroin junkie girlfriend who opened it, killed herself, and nobody else died after presumably finding her dead body (and presumably the bottle of perfume) is beyond my ability to stretch credulity.
        
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        July 11, 2022 8:41am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Milky, ever considered that these athletes don’t support what you (once again) are using as straw-man fodder?
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:20pm
- Cinematic
  
  What utter tosh.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Shows how important sports-washing is to the fans of regimes like Russia, China or Saudi Arabia.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:51am
- MCōs
  
  Unfortunately the likes of Putin, as you correctly point out, is not averse to using star athletes as political propaganda.
  You may recall the state sponsored doping programmes that got their teams banned from the Olympics.
  There’s a similar issue with Saudi Arabia, which puts eye watering amounts of money into golf, F1, Newcastle United to look good while they execute people who bad mouth their leaders, suppress women etc.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    As opposed to corporate sponsored doping plans in sports everywhere else including the US? Or Tour de France?
    Doping in sport isn’t confined to the places you disapprove of.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:25am
- Loddenthinks
  
  You’re off base with this one. Rybakina was indeed Russian-born and still has an apartment in Moscow I believe. However, she changed her allegiance to Kazakhstan in 2018, which – if she were doing that on the off-chance that 4 years later Russia would invade the Ukraine and that Wimbledon (alone, I believe) would ban Russian athletes – is exceedingly well played by her!
  
  She was apparently not considered good enough by the Russians, and has since turned out for Kazakhstan at the Olympics and in a number of other grand slams. Not a carpet-bagger at all, and any satisfaction Putin might feel is vicarious at best, and no more valid than New Zealand claiming Ben Stokes, or even Cameron Norrie who got to the semis.
  
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  July 10, 2022 1:25pm
mikenmildagain

How many politicians:
1. Admit to lying, or
2. Admit that all politicians lie?
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July 10, 2022 8:31am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Or equally, like David Seymour, hold themselves out to be the party of freedom and individual choice – and then throw their supporters under the bus and tell them they are stupid if they don’t get vaxxed?
  
  Fuck you Seymour, fuck you very much.
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:36am
  - tavita
    
    Hmm I understand your anger but many of these issues of freedom and personal choice can depend on your perspective. Abortion is freedom of choice for the woman but not for the baby. David seemed to think we should have freedom to chose vaccination but not freedom to infect others. I believe he put too much faith in the vaccine but if he believed the wuflu was deadly and that the vaccine was a savior, his actions are understandable. Those beliefs appear to have been unfounded. Like others here I think he should admit he was wrong and apologize.
    
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    July 10, 2022 3:55pm
- Lee C
  
  Replace ‘politicians’ with ‘bloggers’, and repeat Milky…
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:44am
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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    That seems pretty uncharitable towards DPF, I must say.
    
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    July 10, 2022 8:47am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Grow up mike
      
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      July 10, 2022 9:47am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I don’t think it’s possible, his development was obviously stunted around puberty.
        
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        July 10, 2022 11:27am
krazykiwi

The main conduit for Russian gas to Europe goes down for 10-day maintenance on Monday. Germany is bracing for Putin to use the opportunity to cut off flows for good. Anyone taking bets?
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July 10, 2022 8:37am
- blue collar
  
  If I was Russia I’d make them cut themselves off . Simply increase the price ten fold .
  You pay or freeze . Your call .
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:41am
  - gump
    
    Russia can’t afford to lose the income. They’re dependent on selling oil, gas, and other bulk commodities to prop up their economy.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:00pm
    - Hebe123
      
      I’m thinking there will be “problems” returning the assets to service for a few days past the outage period…..enough to scare the Germans but not enough to bankrupt the Russians.
      
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      July 10, 2022 1:16pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      And fund their war effort…
      
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      July 10, 2022 1:29pm
- Lee C
  
  … and suddenly the MSM will want to talk about ‘negotiation’ and ‘peace’ eh, KK?
  
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  July 10, 2022 8:46am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    And “certainty of energy supply” yet they were strangely quiet when Marsden Point stopped production.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:06am
    - gump
      
      The Marsden Point refinery is the property of its owners.
      
      What are you suggesting? That the Government should have seized privately owned assets and nationalised the refinery business?
      
      There is word for that.
      
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      July 10, 2022 2:10pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Germany has fired up their coal fired power stations – using Russian coal……….
    
    You can’t make this shit up.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:37am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, on the subject of Russia I watched a walk through video of a large but quiet Moscow mall taken by a non Russian resident of that city. Needless to say many shops like Maccas and Nike have closed but surprisingly KFC and BK and some clothing places remain, albeit with few customers. A Russian owned Target-like store has seen more custom due to being fully stocked but the mall and carpark was almost empty. Interesting that no one wore masks.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kk – I know you read el gato malo. Their take on the Russia/Germany situation is priceless.
  
  “trump was never more reviled than when he was right and love him or hate him:
  
  he sure called this one.
  
  he flat out told germany that wind and solar were not real options, that they needed to keep their nuclear power, and that if they didn’t they would be at russia’s mercy.
  
  watch the expressions on the german delegation as they make “willy wonka” face at him.
  
  they ought to keep this video on replay in the bundestag as a cautionary tale about hubris and nemesis.”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwg
  
  Outstanding as always.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/spicy-takes-on-global-energy-and
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:36am
- Master Mariner
  
  The Nord stream turbine is getting repaired by Canada.
  Sanctions //
  Theres talk about fast tracking approval for Nord Stream2.
  I mean this was the catalyst for Russia.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:56pm
blue collar

Went to the pub to watch the footy .
Ended up people watching it was such a yawn fest
Walked the length of town solo about midnight . Passed many groups of blokes and Sheila’s .
No aggro , not even a smart comment .
Couple derros describing a past fight with actions , wouldn’t even catch my eye

God New Plymouth is so safe and boring

Will go for a stroll down queen street next I’m
In jafa land , see what all the fuss is about .

Ps . Too many jafas in the abs .
No wonder we lost , jafas are soft
Waikato coaching group. Pffffft
Pull me off with ya cow bell fozzy
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July 10, 2022 8:37am
- Inandout
  
  bc, but beneath that boredom must dwell some common sense in that Little twice stood as an electable MP, and twice lost. The fact he slid in as a List MP is now held as a reason he ‘looks after’ our hospitals.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:39am
- MCōs
  
  There’s seven people from Taranaki in the ABs and two jaffas.
  Probably more in the Irish team.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:50am
kevn

@kkk… While the broken NordStream Seimen component sits in Canada while the Canuks anguish about whether to fix it or not. Russian involvement in NordStream you see….
Germany just waits.
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July 10, 2022 8:47am
- mawm
  
  At this stage I wouldn’t be surprised if Olaf doesn’t mind that the Russians deprive his people of gas. It seems to be in vogue making your subjects suffer for the greater good. Rutte is doing it, Trudeau is, Andrews did it, Biden is, and even our Princess is.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:10am
  - Nickc2
    
    Speaking of the Bidens, no love lost between Dr. Jill and problem child Hunter.
    Caution: Naughty words used in this article.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/09/hunter-biden-jill-biden-is-selfish-silly-entitled-cnt/
    
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    July 10, 2022 1:12pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Exactly. By all accounts it is on its way.
  So much for sanctions//
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:58pm
blue collar

The all blacks suck .
Always been an all whites man being a former soccer rep .
But cmon , less kids playing these days , the sport is dying ,
Too many stoppages
And the over rated all blacks play like that ? What a bunch of amateurs .
I’m out . I don’t care . They are there to be mocked . I’d never pay money to watch them , tv or live .
Does the nzru get that they lost the nation by not appointing razor ?
Robinson has to go .
He is incompetent. Wait for silver lake deal to destroy what’s left .
Great news for soccer n basketball n cricket . Rugby is doomed .
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July 10, 2022 8:48am
- MCōs
  
  I’ll been a supporter of both the ABs and the Blackcaps until the day I die.
  Sure they go through rough patches, but it won’t last.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:00am
blue collar

Nice haka abs you virtue signalling twats !
Pity you can’t play
Spend too much time on the virtue signalling eh ? Stop the haka immediately it’s so passé
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July 10, 2022 8:51am
- MCōs
  
  So it’s the Haka
  
  I thought it was because the Irish were the better team on the night
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:16am
kiwikidsnz

A million Kiwis are considering leaving NZ
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2022/07/cost-of-living-myob-poll-shows-more-than-1-million-kiwis-actively-considering-leaving-nz.html
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July 10, 2022 8:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What will happen to the team of 5 million?
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:26am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Ardern will stop it she will build a wall around us, not to keep us from leaving you understand no no but as a rampart against fascism.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:14pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Probably more than that. They’ll just bring in immigrants of the type the woke love. See, if we all smile and be woke, we can all get along.
  
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  July 10, 2022 2:23pm
Benedict Yu

I see all the experts are piling in again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300624566/covid-minister-warns-of-tough-few-weeks-ahead-as-experts-call-for-urgent-reset

That guy Baker says we will be wearing masks “for the foreseeable future”. He calls it the “new normal”. 🤡
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July 10, 2022 9:07am
- mawm
  
  Do these guys think that Kiwis are incapable of doing a minimum of research into the benefit (or lack thereof) of masks?
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Baker is an insufferable doom merchant. Time we got someone else.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pink terror?
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:28am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Captain that is exactly why the media wheel him out and if they can’t get hold of him or his sound bites aren’t hysterical enough they track down the idiot Rod Jackson who’s guaranteed to give them a suitably outlandish line. It’s entirely about clicks you know.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:19pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Baker’s daily fear-porn prognostications are cries for personal relevance, a sign that he can see his time in the limelight coming to an end. The sooner he’s put back in his box the better.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:19am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    If you put Baker in the box, the pink haired one will come out and then Shaun Hendy the famous covid modeller…They are dime a dozen krazykiwi bro.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:23am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I went to the New Zealand Youth Orchestra at the Christchurch Town Hall last night. Maybe 2000 people. Everyone wears their masks to get in. But as soon as the lights go down and the concert starts, about 90 percent of people remove their masks. A useful natural experiment that shows how many people would wear masks if there was no mandate.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:28am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    And more from Baker…
    
    “We’re in an “arm’s race” with the virus, Baker says. While we’re waiting for better vaccines, vaccine immunity is waning.”
    
    So we “are waiting for better vaccines”? 🤡 News to me.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some news item I read that the Govt is looking at blood tests for Covid natural immunity/antibodies.
      This should have been done from day one. I am sure I had Covid before my two vaxes, and vaccinating was a complete waste of time.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:32am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Baker pushed for elimination in fact he didn’t want to let it go even in the face of overwhelming evidence to its failure. That’s the calibre of the clown.
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:24pm
- k1w1
  
  Had a haircut the other day. Hairdresser said “you can take the mask off if you like”. Of course she didnt need to tellme twice. I asked her out of 10 people, how many remove and how many keep them on. She said 9 out of 10 remove instantly and have a broad smile on their faces when doing so. Excellent, thought I. And also a fantastic cross section of NZ society. Baker has zero clue and really needs to butt out. He has no idea of impact to society, economy or mental health. The man, as I have said, is dangerous.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    He is an obvious case of someone who is hooked on his publicity. He is sounding increasingly crazy. In the article I linked to he says “we are in an arms race with the virus” while “we wait for better vaccines”.
    
    I have no doubt that Pfizer et al will serve up “better” COVID vaccines. Good luck with the take up.
    
    This guy said he was “shocked” that most parents did not vaccinate their kids.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:38am
  - Nickc2
    
    She said 9 out of 10 remove instantly and have a broad smile on their faces
    A great statistic k1w1! If that’s any indication of the anti-Labour feeling next election, Cindy and her Maori Caucus are toast.
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:44am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    I walk into the barbers I use (two different ones in two different suburbs) without a mask on. No request to put one on. Ditto the cafes I frequent. Ditto the Supermarkets I use (3 different ones in different suburbs). Some shops still insist so unless I absolutely need something I walk out.
    
    Just stop wearing them – your body is a product of millions of years of coping with viruses, bacterium, parasites etc. It can cope with Covid 19 as well even if it kills a small percentage its not a species killer, and the risk for the vast majority of serious outcomes contracting Covid 19 is a number tending to zero…
    
    I.Am.Over.It!!! and have been for a very long time
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:35am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      For most of human history you would only have ever come into contact with a few 10’s to 100’s of individuals in a lifetime. Disease propagation and evolution would have been exceptionally slow in hunter-gatherer communities. It is only since the rise of agriculture and nation states and trade 10000 years back and rapidly increasing human populations to serves as petri dishes for pathogen evolution, that we started to get exposure to a lot more diseases. That will have driven a rapid increase in disease exposure and evolution of human immune systems (with huge numbers of deaths – as seen during colonial era) in order to be able to handle the increased variety of pathogens.
      
      7 Billion humans all within 1-2 days travel of each other provides an incredible pool unequalled in earth’s history for evolution of new pathogens.
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:01pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        While that is true – the disease of the past in Eurasia travel relatively quickly from the big population centres in the Far East to the Roman Empire.
        
        Its why Eurasians and North Africans who have been interconnected for a very long time have better resistance to a lot pathogens.
        
        But again yes – we do now live in an environment ripe for new diseases to arise due to our sheer numbers providing more contact points for virus penetration BUT the vectors for truly novel virsues for instance, to get into our population are still limited by the availability of intermediary species to allow say bat viruses to get to human genome.
        
        [I take it you have been reading or have read Guns, germs and Steel]
        
        My point still stands regardless – as a species our lineage has developed a strong immune response to numerous pathogens: or big strength in fighting disease is a good diet, exercise, fresh air & sunlight and not being obese.
        
        Covid 19 is a nothing on a historical scale
        
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        July 10, 2022 3:28pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Wow K1w1 – you have hair to cut?? Luxon will be very jealous of you….
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Baker is just as bad as Jaspinda when the cameras and mics are around. Sickening
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I have news for him
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:28am
- MCōs
  
  Michael Baker may be forthright in his professional opinions, but he’s certainly not as strident as many with unprofessional opinions, particularly when it comes to wearing masks.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Because he gets paid for talking shit doesn’t make it right.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:40am
    - MCōs
      
      You might like to check the bank balance of some of the more well known pseudo science rabble rousers, particularly talk show hosts, TV preachers . . . .
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How about this?
  When have you ever seen Barker wearing a mask?
  I have not.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:38am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He should be arrested. He is guilty of malfeasance.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:40am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Baker, like more than a few in his field, is an autistic fuck. That’s why we have politicians leading the country who can balance his fanatical, narrow vision with a wider view of other factors and then make a balanced judgement.
  
  Oh….
  
  Shit!
  
  Mind you, Cindy and company do seem to be holding him in check/ignoring the lockdown fanatics for the moment, but that’s only because of low polling that would sink like a stone if they tried pulling the 2020-2021 stunts again.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:58am
3-coil

It was a great night to stay home in front of a roaring fire and watch the rugby, the silly monocular commentators even promised us the series would be wrapped up with a game to spare! The All Blacks believed the hype – the game was already won, so they didn’t turn up. The result: a 23-12 loss, and even that score flattered the ‘abies (as, it seems they’re now known).

What went wrong? They started well – they won the effete haircut contest hands down, with not a single poseur among the Irish to challenge them. Ditto the tattoo contest (maybe 1 inked Irishman?) And while the haka was their special edition one (Aotearoa’s most famous cannibal slave-trading murderer’s own wardance) it seemed to curse the ‘abies rather than bring them luck. Maybe time to try something fresh?

But it’s hard to win (or even compete) when you’ve only got half the team on the paddock. And as one of our guests noticed…all of the 4 All Blacks who chose to sit out part or all of the match appeared to be “Labour supporters”. The dangerous or violent illegal acts were evidently concentrated more in one team, and in one part of the team. That behaviour must be cleaned out of the team if it is going to be able to win in the post-colonial game.
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July 10, 2022 9:11am
In Vino Veritas

Pause for thought. In my opinion, Ian Foster is the worst All Black coach in my lifetime. The mediocrity of coaching, selection and play that he bought to the Waikato Chiefs is being mirrored now in the All Blacks. Not that it should be any surprise. Sam Cane is a decent player, but New Zealand is full of decent players, so how he continues to captain the All Blacks let alone get a game is difficult to understand. Jordie Barrett is another fine player. But he isn’t the best fullback in NZ, nor is he the best wing. Will Jordan is light years better at both positions yet didn’t start. Quinn Tupaea? Gus Sowakula? And Cane’s decision to send Savea off instead of Papalii was at best the decision of someone who has no idea, at worst, utter lunacy. Here’s a thought, there is a guy out there that has coached NZ under 20’s to the 2015 world championship, an NPC team for 3 years, and won the NPC 3 times. Further, he has coached in 101 Super Rugby matches since 2017, he has won 86 of them, and has won the Super comp 5 times in a row. This coach wins 85% of his super games. The current All Black coach managed to win 50% of his super games and managed one final in 7 years. After he resigned and went to the AB’s, the Chiefs won the Super comp and repeated the following year. And yet, here we are.
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July 10, 2022 9:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t know much about rugby. But my partner is a Crusaders fan. So I go along to the odd game. She explains to me what is going on. 😀She says the Crusaders coach is great.
  
  Why can’t he coach the All Blacks?
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:43am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Because Ben, the Rugby Union powers that be selected Foster over Robertson. Mainly because Foster had been an assistant under Hansen and they erroneously thought that Foster had something to do with Hansen’s success.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:12am
    - barnacle bill
      
      Foster got the job because of the desire to have succession.
      
      And that to protect intellectual property.
      God knows why that would be as every game is online and can be scrutinized in side out.
      
      If succession remains in place then there is no hope of an outsider ever getting to be the AB coach.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    The Abs are run out of Akl. They have never liked Crusaders coaches.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:45am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Just politics at the NZRU. They thought they had a system to bring head coaches through after Hansen was nutured while Henry was head coach.
    
    But like Liverpools famous boot room eventually this system fails and needs a reset. Foster is to the All Blacks as Roy Evans was to LFC: nice guy and probably a reasonable coach but lacks the skills to be top 5% and being top 5% is what is required at the AB level from a coach. Plus lacks the ruthlessness to make tough decisions
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:45am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Spot on IVV. Cane is now an embarrassment. Foster hasn’t even got enough nous to move him on. Pathetic. Robertson doesn’t fit in the old boys network, sadly.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:45am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Tom, Foster has never had selection vision, nor has he ever had the ability to set great strategy or get great players playing to their best. Though it’s hard to play your best with shit, or muddled strategy.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    No crusaders coach has ever ‘fitted in with the old boys network’.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:08am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Steve Hansen fitted in pretty well for eight years; just sayin’…
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:59am
      - RoboRob
        
        Never coached the Crusaders 🙂
        
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        July 10, 2022 12:14pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  My prediction is for a solid AB win next Saturday.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:48am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Quite probably mike, but that will not make Foster a good coach.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    For once we agree, some of that refereeing was absolutely woeful, Pyper has shafted us before
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:31am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Pyper is a fine referee G, and was only refereeing the rules that World Rugby have put before him. I don’t disagree that the head clash rule is pathetic, but Pyper did exactly what they have been told to do. I thought he had a pretty good game. The All Blacks played like donkeys, and Ireland, to their credit, gave them a fair old physical touch up to help the donkey play along.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:49am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I thought Peyper was inconsistent. He twice penalised the All Blacks for cleaning out beyond the breakdown yet Ireland did that at least three times I saw without being penalised. He and the TMP missed a high shot by James Lowe on Jordie Barrett, and early in the second half a ball-carrying Peter O’Mahoney appeared to make direct contact with the shoulder to Beauden Barrett’s head. He also let too many players get in his face, including both captains, and should have told them to bugger off.
        
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        July 10, 2022 12:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Didn’t think I’d ever write this after RWC 2007, but Wayne Barnes is the best referee.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:57am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        It’s history that Barnes was pushed far too early in his career to that fateful 2007 match, and bottled it. He is a much better, more experienced referee now, and is one of the best in the world.
        
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        July 10, 2022 12:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  I agree with most of what you say. However, I would have Jordan and J Barrett on the field at the same time, alternating positional play according to Capt’s call and tactical intention.
  As far as I’m concerned, Cane and Foster can go today, replaced by Whitelock as Capt and Razor as coach.
  The Savea debacle was a fucking disgrace!
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:02am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Nick, Jordie Barrett, whilst being a brilliant rugby player, isn’t a patch on Jordan, or Reece or Fainga’anuku at fullback or wing (and is not as good at fullback as his brother). He is just not the best player (and probably not the second best player either!) in any of those positions. Therefore, he shouldn’t be in the team. Foster has already left Reece out in the past, that was a blunder, but wouldn’t surprise if he did it again, because he doesn’t appear to have any idea, and that is historical.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:56am
    - Nickc2
      
      Let’s agree to disagree wrt J Barrett. IMO, if Sevu Reece hadn’t grabbed that run-away try in the first test when he did, the result would have been different. The whole team was down on their luck ATT but from then on, they believed in themselves and the result spoke heaps.
      From the first send-off last night, the ABs seemed to catch Warriors (League Team) Disease (no one knew what to do and they went to sleep).
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:27pm
      - Opie
        
        Sevu Reece is good at grabbing things.
        
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        July 10, 2022 9:15pm
- pdm
  
  ` In my opinion, Ian Foster is the worst All Black coach in my lifetime.’
  
  Makes Ivan Vodanivich and a couple of others look good.
  
  BTW I am pretty sure Papalii was already off when the red card happened so it was Savea or Cane who had to go.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:13am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Off where pdm? Cards went to Angus Ta’avao, Leicester Fainga’anuku and Ofa Tuungafasi. Cane didn’t know the rules or was just downright dumb.
    Sure, Ivan Vodanovich won’t go down as a great, but was he worse that that other Waikato star, John Mitchell? And Vodanovich has not coached at high level before he was given the All Blacks. And remember, the 1970 tour to South Africa after which he lost the coaching job, had such luminary players as Neil Thimbleby, Gerald Kember, Buff Milner and Ron Urlich. And South Africa had Piet Robbertse.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:29am
    - AitchW
      
      To be fair to Cane the rules are increasingly complex, not helped by interminable tinkering by the IRB. Even the ref appeared unsure as to who should go.
      
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      July 10, 2022 10:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes that’s correct, he was off so the prop could come on for the previous scrum
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:33am
    - pdm
      
      Thanks G.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:08am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Apologies pdm, if that’s the case, then I also withdraw that criticism of Cane as he was caught between a rock and a hard place. Question, could they have have put Savea at prop and dumbed down the scrum?
        
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        July 10, 2022 11:20am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I don’t think teams can refuse to put on a front rower for tactical advantage.
        
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        July 10, 2022 11:59am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Question, could they have have put Savea at prop and dumbed down the scrum?
        
        Yes, they could, and should have. As it was, it was an uncontested scrum, because Aiden Ross was playing out of position at tighthead. So bringing Ross on was a blunder that cost the All Blacks one of their most influential players for 50 minutes. Cane should have known that.
        
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        July 10, 2022 12:08pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  On the records is an absolute no brainer.
  
  Doubtless the NZRU will find an excuse to support Foster.
  
  But its untenable in my view.
  
  Foster seems a nice guy but he is a loser. Its written down in his coaching record.
  
  Razor is a winner. His record is the best in Rugby that I can remember since G Henry with Auckland and Blues sides. Razor is a bit of a gormless fool doing his break dance routine but so what a bit of character and self deprecating humour is great in a leader.
  
  #FFO – Fxxx Fozzy Off!
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:41am
wilderbeast

Just had a look at the general debate from yesterday and noticed “Ross Campbell” and “his” contributions disappeared overnight. And Milky appeared where “he” had previously been absent. Seems odd….
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July 10, 2022 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nothing odd about it at all – other that he is one of about 5 pseudos
  
  [Mod – stick to you knitting Steve. The Mods have information as to identities available to them, and those who attempt to use multiple identities don’t last long.]
  
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  December 10, 2021 11:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    For a good bloke overall, Steve, you do have some very odd ideas.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So Mike doesn’t have multiple identities?
    Well I never…
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:18pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Dear Mod. Interesting comment re multiple identities.
    
    I am sure you believe your statement but its soooooo easy in the modern world to have multiple unlinked personalities on Kiwiblog thiink of such things as VPNs.
    
    Just saying
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:15pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Oooh. Sounds like a top secret agent type role! 😎🤣
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But is that the oddest thing you have seen in Kiwiblog comments?
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:44am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Tell us about yourself “Mike”
    
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    July 10, 2022 9:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Which “Mike” do you want?
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why change the subject Ross?
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:49am
- Nickc2
  
  Being the Moderator has its perks eh?
  
  [Mod – if only. Neither Mike or Ross are moderators]
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:22am
  - Nickc2
    
    TKS
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was worth a try Nick LOL!
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:50am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Neither Mike or Ross are moderators”
    
    Thank f#$%!!!
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I expect milky got a telling off from DPF. I would have thought that running multiple identities was deserving of some time in the bin
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I wonder how many times the moderators have to explain this one for the morons.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:03pm
    - RoboRob
      
      They might try at least once. I assume it is ok to have multiple accounts. Not sure why though.
      
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      July 10, 2022 4:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Now that’s the work of a real troll
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:34am
- SoloView
  
  @ wilderbeast
  You comment intrigued me. I looked at yesterdays
  general debate and both “Ross Campbell” and “Mikenmildagain” both still appear on my browser??
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 computers and 3 VPNs
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:19pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Virtual machines, VPNs, mobile and other devices.
      
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      July 10, 2022 2:31pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Well there you go. I suspect the problem isn’t at your end or mine.
    
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    July 10, 2022 8:03pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/07/sri-lanka-president-gotabaya-rajapaksa-to-step-down-after-thousands-storm-his-house.html

I guess they got sick of a politician ruining their country.

How long till this happens here?
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July 10, 2022 9:24am
- mikenmildagain
  
  In more important news from Sri Lanka, the home team is 185/2 at the end of the second day, in reply to Australia’s 364.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:45am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And the amazing Steve Smith bagged another hundred. What a batter. With all his moving parts, it’s a miracle he hasn’t had real sustained bad patch.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:30am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Shame about Warner averaging below 30 over the past two years though. a great shame.//
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:13pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It will happen when petrol runs dry and people can’t afford food. I mean people other than Maggie Pie. 😑
  
  Sri Lanka is now a failed state. The key thing to bear in mind is that it went from (relatively) prosperous and peaceful to failed state in 2 years.
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    Something’s wrong with us then. We’ve taken five years to achieve the same result.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:06am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Nickc2 – Princess has until 2035 to wreck this country beyond repair.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The target keeps moving…
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:53am
  - pdm
    
    Jacinda and Grunter have New Zealand chasing it hard.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:15am
- coge
  
  Some things are better achieved swift and clumsy!
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:29am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Looks like a good turnout. The righteous tide of public anger is rising across Europe and now Sri Lanka:
  
  https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/108616497127017073
  
  https://gab.com/LaResistance/posts/108616562746448469
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:49am
RockyJ

Heather du Plessis-Allan points out how the reason for the government restricting the entry of foreign workers is to create a labour shortage as kiwis leave to countries which have opened their borders. The desired outcome is to force up wages It is also behind the shortage of tenants resulting in lower rents.
So the government of kindness is happy to let fruit rot, encourage businesses to go bust and landlords to go bankrupt as a substitute for sound economic policy.
I would not be surprised if the Maori caucus was also behind this as it is well known that Maori extremists hate immigration. It increases their minority status.
This country is becoming like North Korea.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/heather-du-plessis-allan-govts-immigration-reset-is-keeping-nz-poor/CIAZBDC4HHJWB6C2TTSZV5JPW4/
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July 10, 2022 9:29am
- mikenmildagain
  
  If the whole point of immigration is to lower wages and increase rents, why would we want more immigration?
  
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  July 10, 2022 9:47am
  - RockyJ
    
    The point of immigration is to help economic activity. The richer NZ becomes the richer we all become.
    You can have low rents if we all live in grass huts. You can have high wages if only a few have jobs.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:12am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      This pathological focus on “increased economic activity” at any cost is a disaster. The idea that a country is just an economic zone is catastrophic for any social cohesion and the maintenance of a sound society.
      
      The main point of immigration is to lower wages and to make/keep houses more expensive. Increasingly, young people cannot earn enough to buy an over-priced house to raise a family in. In other words, in addition to irreparably altering the social fabric, it is good for immigrants and for big corporations, not so much everyone else.
      
      The anti-White racists love it for the demographic changes it brings, Big Business, and the banks love it for the money it gives them, while the idiotic ideological teens and liberals love it because it feels good.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:58am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Business has been spoon fed the crack cocaine of cheap and vulnerable labour in the belief that this will grow the national cake and thus lift all boats. Nice idea but the downsides are too great for the poor and middle class. It’s a cheap and dirty short term “fix” with long-term undesirable consequences.
        
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        July 10, 2022 2:35pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Over the past 30 years or so, NZ has prioritised immigrants whose skill level is lower than the NZ average.
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:17pm
      - I remember when
        
        mandm
        You mean other than the skill to turn up and do a day’s work.
        
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        July 10, 2022 2:32pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        True Milky. Have yourself a chocolate fish!
        
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        July 10, 2022 2:36pm
    - Jack5
      
      …The point of immigration is to help economic activity….
      
      Intelligent immigration does, but we have slipped in GDP per capita during the spell when we had the highest immigration of any developed country.
      
      Selling undergraduate courses by throwing in residency doesn’t help an economy, nor do flake IT courses for folk who became pizza deliverers, whiteware sales staff, and door-to-door electricity sellers.
      
      With New Zealand’s poor economic performance (and rising brown racism) the attraction for lower-skill immigrants, and perhaps for higher-skill immigrants, is visa-free entry to Australia that comes with NZ residency.
      
      So in effect, our migrant education mills sell back door entry to Australia.
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:22pm
  - Pavel
    
    You’re obviously not an employer or property investor Mike.
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:15am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Milkmaid is used to gummit handouts taxed out of rich pricks.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just mention Elon Musk, and watch him go off the deep end.
      
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      July 10, 2022 11:55am
- Paulus
  
  Maori are afraid that if immigration is allowed they will be outnumbered so the mad rush to take over the Country.
  They are being very sucessful too
  – remember Apartheid in SA – run by a small minority.
  Will the worm turn ?
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:08am
  - JerJer
    
    Yes….but that small minority that ruled Apartheid South Africa (even though that was wrong), we’re organised, educated, motivated etc. Same doesn’t apply here so it will never succeed here. Black South Africans in a much worse position economically than Maori are here and they have made a total disaster of their own country. So just wanting to do things doesn’t mean you can or will. Same applies in NZ. Black South Africans were the overwhelming majority, they failed. Maori are the overwhelming minority. The plans that the <1% of Maori have for the country (allegedly) and are going to fail…….and take Maori backwards too most likely.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:37am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Say what you want about the morality of apartheid, but apartheid-era South Africa was a highly-developed, orderly and prosperous society. The only such country in Sub-Saharan Africa, except Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), also run by Europeans. Once apartheid ended and the ANC took over, it rapidly descended into the Third World, like the rest of Africa. Once Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, the same thing happened.
      
      We are told that “POC underachieve because they are systematically oppressed.” Yet, in these two real-world examples, POC were given full charge over their respective countries and both nations quickly disintegrated, and disintegrated to a level common to other African nations, also wherein the POC citizens are not oppressed by White people.
      
      Doesn’t this destroy the “POC failure due to systemic racism” doctrine out of the water on empirical grounds? It doesn’t seem to matter who politically dominates in the society (i.e. non-POC or POC), the outcome seems to be sub-optimal (and in fact, generally better when POC are not in charge).
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:12pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Botswana is not third world
        
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        July 10, 2022 4:43pm
      - Bluegrass
        
        Except that, post-Colonial period, Libya, not SA, was the the wealthiest country in Africa, under Ghaddafi.
        
        I was posted there for three years pre-Ghaddafi murder and the Jamahiriyah was a rare example of a benevolent dictatorship at work.
        
        PS And putting aside the fact that the Boers settled and lived in South Africa for many generations before the Zulus etc invaded he area, Aparthheid is still practiced in SA.
        
        But by using an ethnic name for it, the local rulers have validated the similarity, for self-serving cultural reasons.
        
        Ring any bells?
        
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        July 10, 2022 11:16pm
  - stiff cheese
    
    Is there any evidence that Labour consults with Maoridom before setting its Immigration Policy?
    You know, in the spirit of “treaty partnership” and “co-governance”, the things that Labour claims to care about.
    
    Anyone know what Maoridom asked for, or would ask for?
    
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    July 10, 2022 3:48pm
- KH
  
  Immigration is a short term benefit for disorganised industries and a long term disaster for New Zealand.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:25am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Totally agree. The economy is there to serve and be for the good of the people, not the people to serve and be for the good of the economy. There is nothing wrong with making a buck, but at what cost?
    
    Bringing in like people is one thing, but the ideological focus is on un-like people. If you change the parts, you necessarily change the whole. Neo-liberalism is an artificial anti-human ideology that treats people as atomised, interchangeable economic units and it treats nations (i.e. peoples homes) as ripe for profit-driven exploitation, at any cost. I’d much rather have a lower population with lower GDP and a cohesive coherent society, than live in a polyglot melange with higher GDP and more attractive profits. The latter is the outcome of a strictly materialist worldview bereft of intangible values.
    
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    July 10, 2022 1:07pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      And GDP is cash-flow, not actual wealth per capita.
      
      Last I looked the Chicoms/Indians aren’t the wealthiest folk on the planet.
      
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      July 10, 2022 10:56pm
  - kevn
    
    @KH… Must mention that thought of yours to the nurses. Targeting seems to a good option.
    
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    July 10, 2022 1:08pm
    - KH
      
      Nursing. Something I know a lot about. And a classic disorganised industry.
      Training is now an industry in itself. Ticket clippers abound, So the polytechs pad pad pad the course. So three years and a student loan.
      Hospitals could offer night school and a paid nurse assistant job in the day. Or 20 hours a week of each.
      There are lots of things that could be done. But this disorganised industry sits on it’s butt.
      
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      July 10, 2022 5:08pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Rocky, lower rents? Not in my places. They’ve been steadily increasing with the last increase a month ago. In terms of a labour shortage making higher wages, of course the economics of this are true, but the reality is that some businesses will always be losing out and not have employees. And of course, has anyone heard of a wage|price spiral? I doubt Ardern or Robertson has, since they crafted policy that has led to rampant inflation. Initially they denied their policies would cause inflation, then, when that ineptitude was crystalised, they claimed that any inflation would be transitory (following Yellen in the States same statement), which of course, as pretty much any person with half a brain knew, was nonsense. When that didn’t pan out, they pivoted to “its all inflation from overseas”. As Homer Simpson once said, doh. Hmm, I wonder if Robertson is actually Homer Simpson? Or is that a doing a disservice to Homer?
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:30am
Yvette

Ministry urged to update mask and isolation advice
… “There’s no basis for recommending that New Zealanders should wear less effective masks in the hope that this would make them more worried about Covid infection and more likely to take other precautions. The evidence definitely does not support this approach.”

A study in Nature Scientific Reports from earlier this year said there was no evidence people who wear masks are less likely to follow other health advice.

A spokesperson defended the ministry’s view that more effective masks might reduce compliance with other measures. …
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ministry-urged-to-update-mask-and-isolation-advice

Note: from the article –
Officials conceded that “P2/N95 particulate respirators … are likely to provide the greatest level of respiratory protection of the three options considered. It is estimated that the fitted filtration efficiency of such a respirator is up to 98 percent, compared with around 38.5 percent for a [surgical mask].”

When Government thinking is bizarre, their rules are also likely to be bizarre.
– to the point we should ignore them for our own sanity and in some cases, our lives.
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July 10, 2022 9:38am
Suze Wainwright

The northern hemisphere has done it – NZ, Aus and South Africa all lose at home…
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July 10, 2022 9:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  And Scotland over Argentina. But next week will see a clean sweep of victories the other way: series wins for NZ, Australia, South Africa and Argentina.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:39pm
Pineapple Lumps

We are living through a cultural war and we need to start to call it for what it is.

The activists are winning, they gaslight the masses into silence and acquiescence. They have transformed the minds of the youth by the daily renewing of their minds with poison. What was once black is now white, what was once wrong is now right. The moral code has been redefined and the immoral now hold the moral high ground.

So why do we pretend that we are all civilised and play nice with them? No-one ever won the war by appeasement and kindness. Yet that is the approach most NZers are taking to the culture war.

Ideas how we combat this? It’s not by putting National and Act into power. Yes they will slow the decline but will do nothing to reverse it. While the parties on the left and right differ in approach to economics they have very similar immoral codes.

I sincerely believe the only way we stop our societies complete disintegration is by God working a change of heart in the people of NZ. But I fear NZers current love of hubris and arrogant belief that they are morally superior to God means this is not going to be a painless process.
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July 10, 2022 9:42am
- Swifty
  
  If you’re going to wait for a god to intervene you’ll be waiting for a long time.
  
  Just FYI.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:57am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    You typify someone who shits on the idea of God, while also moaning about the state of the society you live in that is a direct result of the absent any transcendent principle. The only thing holding society together are the dwindling remnants of what was once a religious society, either explicitly or implicitly. Examine history, and a common trait of all fallen societies is the rejection of religion, whatever form it may take. Atheism is the historical exception, not the rule, and it always shows up in the end-stages.
    
    You can believe or disbelieve anything you want, but why do you think the radicals are always so openly hostile to Christianity? Because unlike you, they understand how transcendent ideals act as a social cement and are directly opposed to their own tenets. So they have to get rid of it.
    
    But hey, we’re all just lumps of matter here to have a good time, eh bro. Have another beer and watch the footy while the ship goes down, will ya.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:38pm
    - Swifty
      
      How odd.
      
      You seem to believe that societies are improved by people believing things which are not true.
      
      That delusions are a good thing.
      
      What a strange thought.
      
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      July 10, 2022 1:52pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Just have to choose the correct god though. Which one, out of the thousands posited so far, would you place your faith in? And if you get that right, which version of that particular god’s worship can you be sure is correct?
      
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      July 10, 2022 3:34pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Only One True God.
        First Commandment: ” I am the Lord your God – you will not have false gods before Me.”
        
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        July 10, 2022 4:52pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Pray harder?
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It all starts at primary schools and kindies. That is where the infiltrating starts.
  Why does Jaspinda visit so many? It is all part of the game.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:00pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Peter Hitchens has often said that the only way to save Britain is the complete destruction of the Conservative Party. The same applies here: National are far too indistinct from the left because they are too scared to be, so no change of course is possible with them. They are really just a corporate money-making entity with no interest in anything other than having a role in the political milieu. They cannot rock the boat so they are an impediment to any substantive change, sucking-up resources and votes in a perpetual cycle of never changing anything. I will never vote for any of the major parties again, unless and until I have a good reason to.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Perfect is the enemy of good.
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:25pm
  - mawm
    
    I think the same applies for the US Republican Party.
    
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    July 10, 2022 3:03pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  I think you might be on to something if only there was such a thing as god. You’re really asking folk in this time of upheaval to cross their fingers and put they’re faith in the sky fairy.
  
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  July 10, 2022 2:54pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

With the first case of Monkeypox now identified in Auckland, here’s a timely reminder on what you should be aware of…..

‘The characteristic symptoms of Monkeypox include a rash which usually appears on the place of infection and spreads to other parts of the body. It may first appear on the genitalia, the palms of the hand, the soles of the feet, or inside the mouth.

Cases of Monkeypox outside endemic countries, have primarily been identified amongst gay and bisexual men who have sex with other men.’

– A. Basu (Ass. Prof. of Epidemiology U.O.C. )
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July 10, 2022 10:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  Well if it was good enough to shut people in their homes, close schools, destroy businesses, deny elderly seeing loved ones, lock NZers outside their country… all to ‘flatten the curve’ then banning gay sex for a few weeks should be a certain response.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:13am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    KK – imagine the OutRage if gay sex were banned by this govt…!
    
    (Heh, could almost be a novel plot twist variant for the Handmaid’s Tale)
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Own goal?
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We should not shag strangers anymore
    
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    July 10, 2022 10:40am
    - Jack5
      
      When a new sex disease arises first in NZ, what will it be called? Sheep shyphilis? Possum pox? Kiwi klap?
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She (you know who) will be looking very closely at how this can be used to regain control.
    
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    July 10, 2022 12:02pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Seeing that a large proportion of our MPs are Gay, will we get a case of the Monkeypox in that group.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:27am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yes, grossly disproportionate.
    
    House of Reps indeed.
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:26pm
- mawm
  
  Maggie – Soles of the feet!!! I can imagine how the other areas get to be the primary area of infection, but soles of the feet??? I might need some education here.
  
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  July 10, 2022 3:06pm
cas

I’m going to submit on 3 waters today. What a bloody steal of a Council’s assets that is.
3 waters will be just like Waka Kotahi, a centralised agency which doesn’t fix the State highways properly. Around our way even some of the recent resealing has deteriorated to the extent that cars are dropping into potholes and damaging their tyres and wheels and there is one really huge pothole on a dangerous corner that hasn’t been attended to for days and days.
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July 10, 2022 10:10am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Good on you. I sent my submission in this morning.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Done the other day. I hope it eventuates.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:05pm
blue collar

Here’s an idea for a FAST START
The all blacks go out and DONT do a haka
Just kick off and into it
The opposition will be so bloody astounded it will take them 10 minutes to get into the game instead of us .
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July 10, 2022 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No haka? Even the ref will be confused and do a haka himself!
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:06pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis retweets…..

“Bill Gates ex-wife ‘Melinda’ spotted wearing mask at Wimbledon”

https://twitter.com/Red_Pill_Monkey/status/1545484749988397060

😀 😀 😀
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July 10, 2022 10:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She might still get the whiff of Bill
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:41am
KH

TV1 did a great story on Matthew Tutaki being appointed to be Director of the anti Suicide office.
Namely: a. That much of his CV is a fabrication and 2. that he had to return $60,000 to Oranga Tamiriki he overcharged. (Others were doing it as well)
That was Monday (4th) and Tuesday.
It seems very strange no other major media has continued with the story.
Just saying.
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July 10, 2022 10:33am
- Nickc2
  
  Remind me again who’s the Minister for Broadcasting.
  
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  July 10, 2022 11:51am
  - KH
    
    Willie Jackson is Editor in Chief for our media now.
    
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    July 10, 2022 5:09pm
    - Jack5
      
      In our media, they’re now the WWW – Wily Willie’s Wallies.
      
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      July 10, 2022 8:34pm
DimChappie

Prof Rod Jackson missed out on anti-terror think tank role after March 1 ODT article. One report was enough to rule him out yet Kidman got in despite her terrible history:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pms-terrorism-extremism-expert-prof-richard-jackson-hired-then-dropped/VBFWQBOOSKWBZPXTCQUXLPSEUM/
If you can’t get past the paywalll with clever software here’s the intro:
“A top-flight academic selected for a key national security appointment was quietly let go weeks after he was meant to start in the role after an unrelated media story raised concern at the heart of government.

Otago University’s Professor Richard Jackson had been told he had a role leading a national Centre of Research Excellence to fight violent extremism.

Documents released through the Official Information Act show it was intended Jackson would start on March 1.

That same day an article appeared in the Otago Daily Times revealing a critical review of the National Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies where Jackson had been director.”
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July 10, 2022 10:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Richard Jackson, not Rod of dodgy t-shirts fame.
  
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  July 10, 2022 10:42am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – not only dodgy T shirts – dodgy Covid advice too.
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:12am
    - Jack5
      
      Your taxes help finance courses at Otago University such as “Master of Peace and Conflict Studies”.
      
      Ironic, given that the university’s National Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies is full of internal bitching, fighting, and general conflict:
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/peace-being-outweighed-conflict
      
      OR by this link:
      
      https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/otago-daily-times/20220301/281698323199609
      
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      July 10, 2022 12:42pm
- NK
  
  Pretty obvious Richard Jackson wasn’t racist enough.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

Having a chat with a few friends earlier after we came out of Church.
What surprised me, not ONE of them knew anything about, or had even heard of, Gobekli Tepe.

Very strange.
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July 10, 2022 11:15am
- Jack5
  
  Göbekli Tepe – Pot Belly Hill?
  
  You’ve wised up all of us, Maggie. Are you a Kurd?
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re whey off there Jacko! 😀
    
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    July 10, 2022 1:13pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbo2QONOUnA
Sri Lanka has fallen.

Could this be NZ in 2026 if Labour wins next year?
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July 10, 2022 11:16am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Watching the human misery as it unfold in Sri Lanka with a collapsed economy will provide another great example to beat about the heads of young/deluded Marx inspired revolutionaries.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:15pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You think the Rajapaksa family are Marxists?
    
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    July 10, 2022 3:41pm
- MCōs
  
  Sri Lanka hasn’t ‘fallen’ inasmuch as it still exists, nobody has invaded the country, it still more or less functions.
  It’s in the shit due to the woeful mismanagement of the administration.
  
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  July 10, 2022 5:29pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp2mh9ZI0MU

Democrats Suffer a Major Loss In Wisconsin As Supreme Court Rules Ballot Boxes are Illegal!

They WANT to make it as insecure as possible. Just look at everything they fight against like not requiring proof of citizenship, voter ID, not cleaning up voter rolls. [I hope this becomes state law in all 50 states. Especialy the battleground ones. 7:58]
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July 10, 2022 11:17am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m pretty sure ballot boxes are not yet illegal, even in the US.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:22pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Depends on the Box.
    You know those clothing bins down at the supermarket- of course you do. Lol
    Well, in some States that’s pretty much what their Ballot Boxes were like and how secure.
    Makes the Ballot Harvesting easier too eh 😉
    We wouldnt put up with that here.
    
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    July 10, 2022 4:23pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIPEG4ax4SI
Kiwi Voice News – Dutch Farmer Protests Explainer

We dive into the current massive farmers protests currently happening in the Netherlands – what exactly is going on? [13:27]
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July 10, 2022 11:17am
Ruahine

Maggy W are you on holiday?
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July 10, 2022 11:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sort of…
  I’m freezing my butt off on the Mornington Peninsula.
  .
  
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  July 10, 2022 2:17pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Ah. Yes. The Mornington Peninsula is a very nice part of Victoria.
    Have a lovely holiday.
    
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    July 10, 2022 2:45pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    A nice part of Victoria, Maggy. I did a couple of jobs there back in 1978. The Hastings pub is very friendly. I was there in the spring, and it was pretty warm.
    
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    July 10, 2022 4:55pm
Maggie Pie

Seems if you’re not one of those people ‘mentioned’…you can’t reply 🙁
Why would that be?

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1545856572479352832
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July 10, 2022 11:36am
Yvette

As speakers took the stand at the Te Pāti Māori’s Annual General Meeting in Te Puia on Saturday, ‘Matike Mai Matariki,’ the dawn of a new era, was the theme.
“The Māori Party must turn things around,” said the party’s president and political veteran John Tamihere.
“There’s only one party that can do that, it ain’t Green, it ain’t Labour and it definitely ain’t that dirty rotten ACT party.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/10/dawn-of-a-new-era-theme-of-te-pati-maori-conference/

ACT must be doing something right !
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July 10, 2022 11:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The “new era” would be a failed state / PNG.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:15pm
Nickc2

I assume from that John Tamihere, Silly Willie Jackson, Comrade Mahuta, and Cannabis Chloe are not exactly friends.
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July 10, 2022 12:14pm
I remember when

Mask mandates don’t work says the NYT.
Another conspiracy theory by the anti-mandate, “Trump” supporters?
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July 10, 2022 12:28pm
I remember when

If, as the Labour Government frequently assert, many Maori are likely to have received a ‘poor’ education, attended school less frequently, are more highly represented in labouring work – how is the ‘average’ Maori going to benefit from co-governance?
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July 10, 2022 12:32pm
- Yvette
  
  I remember when, it gets worse –
  
  Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch [1]
  – Labour’s then Māori Development spokesperson Kelvin Davis – facts true, but said for cheap political gain 20 February 2016. The statistics are now much worse under Labour (… and now: behind in vaccination, information, and simple self-preservation)
  
  1 – Unless it is the Maori elite, raised above many Maori who fall in the succinct summary above. Labour is perhaps promoting a group above its ability for “co-governance”
  
  2 – And just as it is “hate speech” to demean a minority for lack of particular cultural aspects or religion. is it not also so misdemeanour to promote a minority above what its culture or religion may reach?
  
  3 – So what the fuck is Labour doing and why?
  What is Ardern’s end game (or National’s aim to end it)
  
  [1] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm
  
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  July 10, 2022 2:30pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT Q……

Anyone else feel like the last two years of wild ain’t nothing on what’s to come?

https://twitter.com/rachitseth/status/1545700751522947072
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July 10, 2022 12:51pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  While it is inherently xenophobic and therefore problematic to blame anything on “foreigners,” the overseas-actor influence is obviously as pervasive and pernicious in Sri Lanka as it is here.
  
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  July 10, 2022 12:58pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Sri Lanka. Yer wot? The Rajapaksas are an old-fashioned kleptocracy. The “green farming” debacle is because they don’t have the forex to buy fertiliser. The country is also in hock to China big time …
    
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    July 10, 2022 5:08pm
    - NoCash
      
      China owns about 10% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt, the rest is between IMF, World Bank, and other western banks, so let’s smear China with that debt trap propaganda, which has been debunked many times.
      
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      July 10, 2022 6:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        Not to forget Hambantota port, the Chinese-built project that’s been a huge white elephant, perhaps an appropriate metaphor given the place of elephants in the island state.
        
        Sri Lanka had to hand over the port and 15,000 surrounding acres to China for 99 years from 2018 because Sri Lanka couldn’t meet payments on the Chinese loan for the project. The cost to Sri Lanka was well over $US1 billion.
        
        Sri Lanka’s foreign debt in the first quarter of this year was about $US50.59 billion. China is just third biggest of Sri Lanka’s creditors. It’s after Japan and the Asian Development Bank. Sri Lanka’s foreign currency reserves ran out in April.
        
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        July 10, 2022 8:52pm
      - NoCash
        
        @jack5
        If I remember it correctly, the “hand over” of the port is a lease deal as part of the debt restructure arrangement. Also, the loans for the port were partially provided by China, western banks provided a sizable sum of the loans in fact.
        
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        July 10, 2022 11:18pm
Nickc2

Islam poisoning the minds of kids.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/07/islam-poisoning-these-little-children-profoundly-disturbing.html
Any resemblance to our teachers’ contamination of our kids’ minds over climate change, Labour Party greatness, and Maori rights is purely coincidental.
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July 10, 2022 12:52pm
I remember when

‘Anti-vax mandate policies prove to be no vote winner with Australians – this time.’: The Guardian:
Anti-vaccine mandate policies don’t appear to have been major vote winner at the federal ellections, with candidates and minor parties opposed to Australia’s Covid jab rules largely unsuccessful.
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July 10, 2022 12:54pm
Nickc2

You probably won’t be allowed to see this via any of our MSM.
Putin to West: “You want to defeat Russia on the battlefield? Try it! But keep in mind that we haven’t even started anything serious yet.”
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/07/putin-invites-the-west-to-try-to-defeat-russia-on-the-battlefield-we-havent-started-anything-serious.html
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July 10, 2022 1:02pm
- Ra Henare
  
  For those who want a non MSM view of the Russian Ukraine stoush.
  Scott Ritter is the ex Marine who was Un Inspector in Iraq that said there were no weapons of mass destruction, but got ignored by the war lusting US.
  He also spend time in Russia as an intelligence guy and has met Putin.
  
  Interesting talk
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIIoyh2LdCo
  
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  July 10, 2022 2:26pm
- MCōs
  
  Seen it.
  
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  July 10, 2022 5:05pm
NZer In Exile

Sri Lanka Begging Russia and India for Fuel: A Nation Wrecked by Green Agricultural Policies:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/07/sri-lanka-begging-for-fuel-a-nation-wrecked-by-green-agricultural-policies/

Ring any bells?
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July 10, 2022 1:05pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sri Lanka should probably at this point cede sovereignty to India (if India will take them).
  
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  July 10, 2022 3:20pm
- Jack5
  
  Sri Lanka is a big producer of tea, and the tea industry already has problems.
  
  First, tea plantations use a lot of potash as fertiliser, and Russia and Belarus are two of the big producers of potash.
  
  Second, world shipping problems have made made problems for distribution of tea. This is partly because it is of relatively low value to volume compared with many products. Shipping can account for as much as 50 per cent of total cost of tea exported to Western countries.
  
  Sri Lanka is the world’s fourth biggest grower of tea, and perhaps the biggest exporter. Apparently it still uses ” Ceylon tea” as the description in its marketing.
  
  Here’s an update on world tea supply issues, dated May 19:
  
  https://www.worldteanews.com/issues-trends/look-supply-chain-issues-tea-industry-grappling-2022-part-one
  
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  July 10, 2022 3:25pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It’s a good thing our government looks after our farmers and doesn’t impose dumbass restrictions on them, all to achieve nothing trying to save us from some non-problem.
  It’s a good thing we’re being led by people who are careful with taxpayers’ money.
  It’s a good thing we have a secure energy and electricity supply.
  Oh, wait.
  
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  July 10, 2022 3:55pm
- MCōs
  
  Sri Lanka is in the shit because they have run out of money.
  Imports have exceeded exports to such an extent their foreign reserves are pretty much down to zero.
  Tourism fell off the cliff due to the covid pandemic. Also they borrowed money left & right for unnecessary projects and stopped importing fertilizer as one measure to cut down on expenditure.
  Blithering incompetence.
  
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  July 10, 2022 5:03pm
NZer In Exile

If there is any sane person in the Labour party secretly reading this, please take this to heart. It’s that serious.

Samantha Power and the Green New Famine:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/04/samantha-power-and-the-green-new-famine/
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July 10, 2022 1:24pm
- herb1
  
  Yeah right. Russia losing thousands of Tanks and other heavy equipment, and many thousands of troops , not to mention reputation, but they’re not really trying that hard.
  Only the deluded would place any store in Putin’s comments
  
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  July 10, 2022 2:42pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Who’s placing store in Putin’s comments???
    
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    July 10, 2022 5:41pm
    - Paul Marsden
      
      Putin will prevail
      
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      July 10, 2022 6:51pm
Chris Nisbet

Hmm, so ACT say that they’ll do a full investigation into Labour’s handling of Covid 19.
Fair enough.
I’ll wonder if they’ll investigate where the opposition disappeared to over that same period of time.
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July 10, 2022 3:23pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Indeed. Any investigation (for all of the little good it would do) should encompass all who comprise the House of Representatives, not just the executive branch, given the level of unanimity and monolithic group-think exhibited precisely at a time when contrary viewpoints and deep analysis of the costs and benefits was necessary.
  
  What is the point of ACT being the putative party of liberty when they were largely complicit in the biggest assault on liberty the world has ever seen? It’s very easy to be for liberty when being for liberty costs you nothing, but a lot harder when it actually counts in very tangible ways. One outcome of the debacle has been a complete loss of confidence in politicians and the political system, to the extent that it is clear that we are not a sovereign nation and that the appearance of a functioning democracy is a mere sham, amounting to an ongoing and still developing constitutional crisis.
  
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  July 10, 2022 3:49pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Opposition were denied any platform for holding govt to account. The ~~media~~ government propaganda corps wouldn’t give any airtime to opposition unless it was to bag them. And appallingly partisan failure Mallard as speaker interfered with all opposition efforts to question govt in the house – permitting non-responsive answers to questions. There was nothing they could do.
  
  Functional democracy requires a free press not in the pocket of govt, and a parliamentary forum for opposition to effectively question and debate govt. Labour has debased both.
  
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  July 10, 2022 5:19pm
Yvette

The Ministry of Health and Te Whatu Ora – Health NZ are closely monitoring this …

A seemingly same point perhaps, but when Maori is actually a minor language in New Zealand, why does it take precedence for understanding in a name, and the English equivalent, more understood by most New Zealanders, including those with another secondary and maybe predominant language?
Will Health NZ become like Waka Kotahi or even worse Oranga Tamariki, which turns off most readers from reading a word further?

Name the Maori Health Authority whatever the hell they want, but leave “Health New Zealand” so it can be recognised by the vast majority who want to know about it.

Racist? No! – it is anti racism!. FFS

Oops! – the nurse is coming
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July 10, 2022 3:26pm
Maggie Pie

“IF WISHES WERE HORSES…..”

Oz nails it again!
You won’t see this in ‘The-Auckland-Morning-Horrid’

https://twitter.com/Light42Lime/status/1545956005947011073
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July 10, 2022 3:30pm
Inthe09

Advertised on Seek currently….

Manager – Specified Development Projects at Kainga Ora, $232,700 + plus 5 weeks’ annual leave & benefits

Quality use of tax-payers money I’m sure//
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July 10, 2022 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Whenever twitter-bestie RITA PANAHI retweets…you know the info is 100% kosher

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1545956237686325252
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July 10, 2022 5:30pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Oof, looks like someone on 4chan has cracked Hunter Bidens iphone password. “Juliais26” Already reports that his search history includes searches for “12 years old” on a porn site, expect a lot of scandalous stuff to get revealed over coming days.
  
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  July 10, 2022 6:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And they’re saying the ‘cracker’ is from New Zealand!
    
    LOL!!
    
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    July 10, 2022 7:29pm
NZer In Exile

Wakey wakey sheeple. Horror is approaching:

The Red-Green Menace:
https://rumble.com/vexkov-the-red-green-menace.html
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July 10, 2022 5:45pm
Gravelroad

tsk tsk – on Te News this evening we see anti government protesters in Sri Lanka gaining entry into the Prime Minister’s premises.
They tried out the furniture and swam in the pool.
Makes the river of filth look a bit tame.
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July 10, 2022 6:17pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Data on a billion chinese citizens has been accidentally leaked by Shanghai police. Oops.

Most interesting thing about it is that it reveals true Chinese demographics – they have been officially lying about birth rates for decades when really they are falling into population collapse, their population is falling, their working age population is falling, and their child bearing population is plummeting precipitously. Only about 1/3rd as many kids being born as 50 year olds.
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July 10, 2022 8:58pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Interesting. Have a link?
  
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