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krazykiwi

Two weeks ago I commented that a peer-reviewed Israeli study has shown a reduction in male fertility attributed to Pfizer’s injectable Covid-19 product. I promised to look at birth rate data as this became available, however I have been woefully slow off the mark. Other independent researchers have beaten me to it so in this comment I will enumerate some of their findings. These reflect birth rate reductions that appear proximal (minus 9 months) to the ramping of vaccinations in people of reproductive age.

♦ Taiwan: The year-on-year birth rate reduction is currently 23%. Based on the trend from 2009 this makes for a 26 Sigma event, i.e. a billion-trillion to one likelihood on the basis of anticipated evolution of the data series.

♦ Sweden: The year-on-year birth rate reduction is 12%. Swedish data goes back 25 years, and they did not engage in lockdown containment theatre.

♦ Hungary: This is an interesting one. A regional analysis shows that the five least vaccinated counties recorded an average birth rate reduction of 4.66% while the five most vaccinated counties recorded an average birth rate reduction of 15.2%, more than 3x.

♦ Germany: The year-on-year birth rate reduction is 10.9%.

♦ UK: The year-on-year birth rate reduction is 10%.

♦ Switzerland: The year-on-year birth rate reduction is clearly visible. Look at that monthly data going back to 2016, then look at the vaccination rates overlayed with 2022.

♦ Japan: The year-on-year birth rate reduction is 10%.

A few things. Correlation does not prove causation, however the strength of these correlations, the number of countries where the same pattern exists, and the existence of documented fertility impact from completely independent biological testing makes the case for causation very strong. Also note that these datasets track live births rather than conception, so it is also possible that some of this impact is the result of increased miscarriages.

In a sane, rationally functioning world there would have been mandatory, comprehensive pharmacodynamics research before a billion people were injected with an experimental genetic product. Instead, we have apparent eugenic/Malthusian outcomes foisted on us by law makers and regulators who have been captured by Big Pharma.

We need a Nuremberg 2.0.
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July 5, 2022 8:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We need it in a hurry and Michael Baker, Hopkins, Ardern and many others need to be arrested.
  Baker is in the Whoreald again today pumping the fear porn. He is an odious pos. These animals are pushing this onto babies. They lied when they said it was safe and effective, particularly for pregnant women.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:05am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    My favourite from Baker was when he said he was “shocked” that so few parents in New Zealand have vaccinated their children for covid. 🤡
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:21am
    - pdm
      
      Our two great grandchildren aged 3 and about 9 months both have Covid at present. Have just seen/talked to them on messenger (or whatever the modern equivalent of a telephone you can see down is) and both look in good shape.
      
      3 year old is in 4th or 5th day while his sister was positive yesterday.
      
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      July 5, 2022 8:32am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, three year old grand child was miserable for a couple of days, his mother got it, but big sister who sleeps in same room didn’t get it, no of the week they weee back to normality
        
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        July 5, 2022 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There are others. Plank, the pink terror are two more.
    I assume by Hopkins you mean Hipkins. He is a grubby little lying POS.
    All of the associate Ministers of Health are part of this as well.
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:44am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Thanks Steve – yes, Hipkins was who I meant.
      
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      July 5, 2022 8:57am
    - pdm
      
      Jackson – who is a bit like Baker and likes to get in front of cameras.
      
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      July 5, 2022 9:33am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        pdm – they seem to operate like a bit of a tag team. Baker hogs the limelight of course. Can’t help himself.
        
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        July 5, 2022 9:41am
      - double d
        
        Jackson – famous for his “I am freaking out” quote in interview with the Hosk.
        
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        July 6, 2022 12:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    This is a nazi tactic. Verral starts saying red at 10000 a day, then what’s ya know the next day numbers start shooting ups, this is a disgusting corrupt attempt, they said no more lock downs, stuff them. Note the she devil is always off shore when crap is being designed. When we went to orange, numbers were well above 10000.
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:51am
    - Ruawai
      
      PM is in Oz but the Oz PM is in the Ukraine. Is she having a wee break and not wanting to return to her day job in NZ, she could have come home for a week and gone over to Oz on Friday.
      
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      July 5, 2022 9:16am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Anything but do her bloody job, this crap with Tutaki is designed to shaft someone, not sure who but my pick is Jackson or possibly Davis, someone will have dirt on them and will be shafted, could be why she is staying away to look like she knows nothing, what ever is happening, she is not doing anything for this country, they read her itinerary out till Friday, not one meeting with business, just one lunchtime speech to a group of woke fools, why is she hiding there when Elbow is not?
        
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        July 5, 2022 10:03am
      - namron
        
        How can we find out how much jacinda’s galivanting around the world has cost us this year!
        I’d also like to know how many “friends” she has taken with her, as various News reports mention assorted other Labour party people
        I’ve who appear to be there too.
        It all sounds very costly and obviously it must have cost many hundreds of thousand dollars or even MILLIONS !!
        I’ve wondered if the main purpose was to do a
        “showy expedition” which would impress those UN people and improve her next job possiblities!!
        
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        July 5, 2022 2:21pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What thee we hell are all the down votes for? It’s a fact, these rotten fascists have lied and scare the populace, they can’t be trusted, and Verral did say red when we get to 10000
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Downvotes coz you upset the nazis on here!
        
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        July 5, 2022 10:24am
      - krazykiwi
        
        You know what they say about being ‘over the target’, G?
        
        Treat the flak as a positive sign.
        
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        July 5, 2022 12:00pm
      - blue collar
        
        Keep on telling it like it is brother G …. The down votes are wowser scum still hiding under their beds …. You can tell them if you ever meet them by their soaking wet , limp , floppy handshake . The glint of fear in their eyes , nervous twitches , averted gaze and a waft of timidity all signs you’re dealing with a scared lunatic who would trash the country , cozy up to an invader , dob in their fellow man and plead they had no choice when accosted .
        Your words scare them so they react . Fuck em
        
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        July 5, 2022 5:00pm
    - Nickc2
      
      There must be some new trolls on the site G. Frazer House has plenty to spare these days.
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:57am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You could be right, the same scum tactic is done on FB, when you see Cindy constantly praised from Sri Lanka and the Phillipines, you know that crap is bought and paid for like the vulgar media
        
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        July 5, 2022 11:32am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      With apparently 90% plus vaxxed (notwithstanding that the very poor efficacy provided will have already expired for most) and with masks still in use, why are we still getting so many cases and why are hardly any dying? Because they lied about virus severity, they lied about vaccination efficacy and they lied about mask efficacy, that’s why. Nevermind, just keep believing them anyway…
      
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      July 5, 2022 11:44am
      - gump
        
        Omicron and its variants have a lower fatality rate than other strains of Covid.
        
        I would have thought that the mountains of dead Russians who have died from the earlier and more dangerous strains would have given you pause for thought. But I guess you’re not counting swine deaths.
        
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        July 5, 2022 2:25pm
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      Mnaufactued consent is a tool of the left propogated by Noam Chomsky, and taught in the Waikato school of communication. Who got her degree from there? Who refered to government propaganda? We continued to be played & manipulated.
      
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      July 5, 2022 2:45pm
    - quarterpack
      
      As soon as one references Nazis in a debate about healthcare regarding the policies of a democratically elected government, you have pretty much lost the attention of around 95% of your readers. Dont let em take your guns away Chum
      
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      July 5, 2022 8:10pm
  - JerJer
    
    The whole thing is becoming ridiculous. Mr Baker shouldn’t even be in the media based on his previous brain farts prior to Covid.
    
    Pushing the vaccine onto kids is just stupid and proven to be so by parents that think it is stupid and the stupidity is now proven in the statistics.
    
    Omicron was never dangerous, except to the few that were doing to die anyway. We learned this from South Africa in October last year (yes 10 months ago).
    
    The vaccine doesn’t work, it doesn’t stop the spread. I suspect the ‘it reduces the symptoms line’ is not true either. I struggle to believe that there is a vaccine that billions is spent on, and it does not serve it’s primary purpose (which is to prevent spread, and it doesn’t do this at all), but by some miracle it stops you getting sick once it completely failed at it’s primary purpose. Isn’t this the same as manufacturing a magical roof repair sealant that doesn’t work at all, the roof leaks like a sieve as soon as you apply it, and then the manufacturer goes onto tell you not to worry, the sealant will protect you from drowning after the water pours in…..and you ask…whoever drowned from leaky roof. That’s right, no one.
    
    Time to stop reading the news and get on with life. These people clearly have nothing else to do, and seem to be only here to annoy us and try and scare us.
    
    Maybe Mr Baker should go work on some treatment to make raw chicken safe so people don’t poison themselves. Would be a much better use of his time.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:33am
  - glowworm
    
    These types of people are described as fascist’s in this great interview by Jordan Peterson on Justin Trudeau and what’s going on in Canada.
    
    https://youtu.be/XpoYEbzyS4k
    
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    July 5, 2022 1:35pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    If you want to know what Ardern will do tomorrow look at what Trudeau did yesterday. They have the same handlers and planners.
    
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    July 5, 2022 2:47pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is certainly interesting data. The drop in births in Taiwan is indeed significant.
  
  Taiwan has very high numbers of abortions. IIRC the abortion rate is about double the birth rate. It would be intersecting to see whether abortion rates have increased.
  
  If your hypothesis is correct, I would expect to see reports of more women who are actively trying to conceive but who cannot. But if you are correct, those reports will come.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:19am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    BY – It was (and is) always going to take time for the truth to come out.
    As we now know, this has been a propaganda campaign unprecedented in history to drive this narrative. Accident or design, eventually the truth will out but I know where my money is betting on.
    
    The truth is emerging and with every passing week it is becoming more concerning. At the very least, our officials and “experts” are guilty of extreme, gross malfeasance. It may be possible to claim “we didn’t know” in the first 6 months, but not beyond that. In fact, claiming you “didn’t know” is to admit culpability in this, because if you “didn’t know” then you shouldn’t have wreaked havoc on the lives, health, wellbeing and relationships of millions of people.
    At no point was there a plague, though it’s increasingly looking as though there has been damage done that will go on for years if not decades.
    I can’t think of a single “conspiracy theory” from 2020 that is not now a provable fact.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Watch for Japinda’s word soup waffle.
      The other thing she is very good at is lies by omission. Comms degree you know.
      
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      July 5, 2022 9:40am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        “Comms degree you know.”
        
        Too much is made of the fact that she has a shitty quasi-degree from Waikato. People who complete degrees in politics don’t suddenly become experts in the art of politics, and neither do people become communications savants who are given communications degrees (which, by the way, has a vague ring of a special needs program to it).
        
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        July 5, 2022 11:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Rodion, it was satire
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:13pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Noted. Point stands.
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Also Rodion, I know her so called degree is like having a Library Card, or an AT Hop Card
        
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        July 5, 2022 4:03pm
      - double d
        
        But it is a fascinating topic – her being quoted as a Comms expert based on her passing some papers at a third rate University in NZ when she was between 18 and 22 years old.
        
        I have a degree in marketing and economics- I would hardly rate my self as being able to go toe to toe with a practicing economist based on what I learned as a 21 year old – but then again, I am not the darling of the left …..
        
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        July 6, 2022 12:41am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Russia has a v high abortion rate. Greater than the birth rate.
    
    China is now banning abortions as their population goes into decline.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:17am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      So much for the One Child policy, eh. Looks like the Chairman was wrong yet again.
      
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      July 5, 2022 3:19pm
    - double d
      
      Check out Japan – life expectancy is now 85 with men at 82 and women 88.
      They are in big trouble as they have lowering birth rates and they need a growing population to pay for the exploding pension bill coming their way
      
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      July 6, 2022 12:46am
- mawm
  
  kk – I wonder how much of the decline is due to women not wanting to have a child at this time. The fear porn has been severe and probably more so in the highly vaxxed countries.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mawm – I would like to think you are right, but from what I have been reading over the last few days it is not due to that. If it was then the data from the year before would have been similar. Surely the fear was at it’s highest in 2021? Also the reference to the Israeli study is to male infertility which has nothing to do with lack of effort.
    
    It’s early days, but the information is extremely concerning, certainly concerning enough to have all vaccinations stopped immediately while truly independent inquiries are carried out.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:11am
    - mawm
      
      There are many who would not but that is not denying that the vaccine has had an effect. There is so much bad being uncovered about them, along with fraudulent trials, that we need a Royal Commission. I see Dr Muriel Newman has a editorial on the need.
      https://www.nzcpr.com/covid-accountability/
      
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      July 5, 2022 3:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who would want to bring a child into the World atm? NZ is a shambles, US is a shambles, Europe has got the shits with Russia, and so it goes on.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:43am
    - Nukuleka
      
      I downticked this because the human spirit is one of optimism and not abject negativity. Most of us begin the day with a lift of spirits. To wail on about the state of the world as a reason not to have children is nihilism if the worst sort. It’s the kind of nonsensical thing the climate fetishists would say.
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:11am
      - MCōs
        
        Furthermore
        Some people have been saying such things for as long as I can remember.
        Interestingly a lot of people of my age have had far fewer children than their parents generation, but that for practical reasons.
        Also societies without social welfare tend to have kids in lieu.
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I can handle a downtick. You do realise I was thinking from a child’s point of view, not mine.
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        MCos, I only had two children because of financial reasons. Why have more and all be miserable?
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:18pm
      - MCōs
        
        A chap of my acquaintance when asked how many children they would have said as many as God gave them.
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:27pm
    - Zoomfatigued
      
      Solid point, but the lockdowns, paired with the increase in drinking, MUST have resulted in more amorous activities than usual?
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:15pm
  - Zoomfatigued
    
    Solid point, but the lockdowns, paired with the increase in drinking, MUST have resulted in more amorous activities than usual?
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:13pm
- amospicton
  
  I think it might be as simple as the correlation between covid fear and vaccination rates. The more fearful are less likely to want to have children. But yes, an inquiry is a very good idea – as is a wider Royal Commission into the whole response fiasco.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nuremberg 2.0. I was saying this 2 years ago. Not about the birth rates, but just the fact that very little testing and trials had been done on developing a vaccine.
  Even back in 2020 I was convinced the vax was experimental and we the sheep were actually guinea pigs.
  Then it became a control toll by the Socialist Govt.
  ‘Nobody will be forced to take the vaccine, and those who choose to opt out will not be punished’
  Remember that? Jacinda Ardern said it, but it was a lie. Why? Because then came the mandates and vaccine passes just to enter certain places. It was a blatant fucking lie!
  Those who did have reactions did nut really get it reported, t was covered up, censored. The year 13 girl in Ponsonby who died 4 hours after getting the vaccine – crickets.
  We have been played and played by the controlling Socialists
  Nuremberg 2.0? Bring it on!
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Add: I only took the first two vaccines so I could go and have a beer – but without the vax nobody will be punished right?
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:50am
    - blue collar
      
      Same stevo . Still regret it .
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:04pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Naturally, they will never hold themselves accountable and will never admit anything, but that will never change the fact that they have forced a harmful substance into the arms of billions of people, and moreover, we are seeing clear cause for concern only about the short term effects at this point.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:52am
- RockyJ
  
  What is disturbing is that we locked people together in their homes for months and the birth rate declined. What were they doing?
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:18am
  - alloytoo
    
    Keeping a beady eye on their children……stopping them from mingling.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There are morons in this World. Locked in the homes and maybe they got the idea that Covid is transmitted sexually. Many the have a low IQ could think this – but they should not be breeding anyway
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:28am
    - mawm
      
      People who have an IQ of 100 are not very bright; half the population have an IQ below that.
      
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      July 5, 2022 3:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You sure the IQ is not room temperature Celsius?
        
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        July 5, 2022 4:06pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Add: That half with IQ below 100 would be Labour voters?
        
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        July 5, 2022 4:07pm
- Happy1
  
  Kk, there are lots of possible reasons for the drop in births. We underestimate the social seismic shift that covid has brought about. My university attending grandkids often talk about the dead social scene and the difficulty of hooking up. Then there is the possible reluctance of women/ couples to get pregnant or proceed full term at this time. Uncertain times are associated with falling birth rates.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:10am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Granted, but there seems to be a prima facie correlation emerging between a drop in birth rate in many many countries approximately 9 months since a mass vaccination program. Conclusive? No. Worthy of much concern? Yes.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Just a thought – is “year-on-year” the right comparison period? Reason for asking is that I understand there was a “Covid boost” due to lockdown in 2020, with average birth rates getting a bump because we were all locked down and international travel was difficult if not impossible.
  
  Leaving 2020/21 out as a potential outlier, how do those birth rates stack up over say the last 10 years?
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:58am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Is the Roe vs Wade decision timing just a coincidence?
  
  You be the judge!
  
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  July 5, 2022 3:22pm
- MCōs
  
  Playing the ‘male fertility’ card.
  
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  July 6, 2022 8:54am
Frank the tank

Luckily I had the snip before my Kungflu jabs.

Nothing will change unless Trump and/or DeSantis get the oval office in 2024.

In the interim the only hope we have is a court case in the US getting to the Supreme Court.
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July 5, 2022 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump is coming don’t worry. He is a winner, and he will come out glowing after the kangaroo court.
  A winner, that’s what the Dems HATE!
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:51am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I’m not so sure. It’s looking like major Republican Donors are starting to think that he’s yesterday’s man with far too much baggage and that De Santis the sensible pragmatic option for the future.
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The huge crowds at the rallies tell a different story. People are queuing up for 8 – 12 hours just to see Trump – and that is outside the venues
      
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      July 5, 2022 9:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Add: Then there are the vehicle rallies (96 miles long) and the on water boat rallies with 10000+ boats. All covered in flags.
        Shit, even I fly a Trump 2024 flag off my spapool deck
        
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        July 5, 2022 9:50am
      - James Stephenson
        
        You do get that the people that go to rallies are not the people that actually fund Presidential Runs? The best thing that Trump could do for America at this point would be to retire gracefully* and endorse De Santis.
        
        The only logical argument against a De Santis candidacy is that he should possibly bide his time for another four years., Florida being a not completely finished project yet.
        
        *yes, I laughed as I typed that.
        
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        July 5, 2022 10:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        James, some of the boats cost hundreds of thousands, so yes, I would say they vote. Tax dodge of course.
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        James, my 1.21 comment should be ‘I would say they donate’
        
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        July 5, 2022 4:10pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      DeSantis will get his turn. Atm he is needed in Florida, it has been a swing State, and the Dems cheat like fuck.
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:30am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Trump is it. He is not perfect, but there is no Trumpism without Trump. De Santis is being promoted as a “better” version of Trump, even by the supposedly hostile media, because the Uniparty people promoting De Santis want a return to business as usual.
      
      Look at how these establishment people are acting: they are shitting themselves about the awakening Trump has achieved. GOP voters want Trump, not a substitute for Trump. He couldn’t drain the swamp, but he managed to lower the water level enough for all to see what is in the swamp. Trump terrifies them, which is why they are trying to take him out of the running for 2024. If Trump runs in 2024 he will win in a landslide, and the amount of election fortification required to prevent this would be insurmountable, especially since everyone will be on the look out for it this time.
      
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      July 5, 2022 12:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        MAGA landslide
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:22pm
      - mawm
        
        He hasn’t a hope in hell – Cheney is thinking of running. /s
        
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        July 5, 2022 3:34pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      “De Santis the sensible pragmatic option for the future.”
      
      You’re still living in about 2004. America is on the precipice. It doesn’t need a “sensible pragmatic option for the future” (aka a stooge who will do what he is told by the lobbyists and special interests), they need Trump.
      
      Why do you think the establishment like De Santis and hate Trump? Because the former is no threat at all, while the latter is. That is all you need to know. It comes down to who the billionaires want to run, versus who the American voters want to run. This exposes the irreconcilable disconnect between GOP voters and GOP funders.
      
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      July 5, 2022 12:09pm
    - blue collar
      
      He backs a candidate and they win . He is the Republican Party . No one else can do that . He will win again . Don’t buy in to Democrat smear bollocks
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:06pm
- MCōs
  
  The American Supreme Court has no standing in NZ.
  I don’t therefore know exactly what you’re hoping for?
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You will know sooner or later Mac, it will happen. Under Trump the price of gas will fall, that means food and other consumables will fall. Oil production in America will start up. The Keystone pipeline will be finished.
    The war in Ukraine will stop (if it is still going)
    Putin and Trump will be negotiating again.
    It all has a trickle down. Here in NZ the stupid oil and gas exploration will be open. (It may be hard to get those back on board) Our primary industries will increase production.
    You getting the big picture now, or do you want to live in New Venzuela/New Zimbabwe?
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:11am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Let me explain it to you Cosy as you are a little slow this morning.
    
    If someone brings a case with evidence to confirm it that the Kungflu jab affecting the ability to have children and sued right up to the supreme court and got a big payout then Bigpharma is firetrucked worldwide as there will be copycat legal challenges.
    
    That is what happened to BigTobacco.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:03am
  - Nukuleka
    
    From the way that the media in NZ has gone all out in its condemnation of anyone who doesn’t support abortion up to birth you would conclude that the US Supreme Court decisions have everything to to with us. The propagandist NZ Herald has daily stories about the joys and benefits of abortion.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      10 weeks (over 2 months) is enough time to get things sorted. After that it is “infanticide”
      Others can call it whatever they like – you have free speech. It IS infanticide.
      
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      July 5, 2022 4:15pm
- Zero Kindness
  
  They can’t get Trump no matter how hard they try, but there is one possibility – attack him over operation Warp Speed.
  Blame all the vaccination adverse reactions and deaths and failure to immunize or prevent spread of Covid19 on Trump and HIS vaccine.
  It does mean throwing Pfizer and Moderna, Fauci and Gates, Jacinda and Trudeau all under the bus along with many others, but that would not be an issue to the anti-Trumpers and there are quite a few of them in the US Democratic circles.
  I expect this will occur around October this year, but hey it’s just a conspiracy theory lol.
  Of course, this will simply assist DeSantis in securing the top job in 2024.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Operation Warp Speed – never heard of it. Thanks, something to get my teeth into.
    DeSantis is needed in Florida, but he will run one day (2028?) If he runs in 2024 and Trump does, it will split the vote, just what the cheating Dems want – and they will of course win. Fuck.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:43am
    - mawm
      
      It doesn’t work like that. You need a 3rd party candidate for that to happen.
      
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      July 5, 2022 3:37pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not grasping that at all. Electoral College stuff can get confusing
        
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        July 5, 2022 4:23pm
      - mawm
        
        GOP has 1 candidate, Dems have 1 – Both determined in the the run offs where the Repubs debate Republican, etc. Eventually each party has 1 candidate. Anybody can stand as an independent – and these are the candidates that split the vote.
        
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        July 5, 2022 8:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Understood mawm
        
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        July 6, 2022 9:03am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Well there is talk they are exhuming Hillary……
    
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    July 5, 2022 12:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hillary is still being a sore loser from 2016. She couldn’t win a rigged election!
      
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      July 5, 2022 1:26pm
Frank the tank

Drums are getting louder and louder for another Traffic Light Red post our Glorious Leader getting back in the country from her latest installment of the WokeWorldTour.

Watch for the Seagull (swoop in, shit and then swoop off) – in other words – Declare traffic light red and then fuck off to another locale without face nappies and assorted restrictions.

Wally still has to do South America, South East Asia and the Mid East.
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July 5, 2022 8:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  Cindy can declare whatever she likes, our appetite for complying has plummeted to about zero. We’ve all had the sniffles and it has proven to be no big deal (except to those perpetual worrisome folk).
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:48am
  - Ruawai
    
    Agree RP, it will be very hard getting the people to play along next time. Even in the supermarket there are less and less people wearing masks.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:19am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Do you still wear your face nappy into supermarkets?
      I gave that up six weeks ago.
      Nobody stares anymore. LOL.
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:05am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Not for months and months. In case of enquiry, I got the exemption card, which requires no evidence other than a declaration that you cannot wear a mask. I’ve only been asked twice (once at Te Papa, and once when boarding an Air NZ international flight). In both cases I confirmed I had an exemption and asked if they’d like to see it – both said no you’re all good.
        
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        July 5, 2022 12:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Even the Pharmacy don’t mind no mask
        
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        July 5, 2022 1:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, many Kiwis have had enough of her psychotic bullshit
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:44am
- Zero Kindness
  
  I hope she tries, more protests for all. Will be good to catch up with some fellow freedom fighters again.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The google machine says 5 more trips.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:58am
  - mawm
    
    Really! Who wants to engage with her dull intellect?
    
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    July 5, 2022 3:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The oversea media love to do puff pieces on her. It sells. The readers/watchers think NZ is just a wonderful place.
      United Nations prob sucking it all up. Can you really see a UN high up reading Wellington/Auckland tabloids. North Shore Times Advertiser/Tawa Times?
      
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      July 5, 2022 4:49pm
Lenticular

Joe Biden’s approval rating is now a full 7 points lower than Trump’s at the same point in his presidency, according to left leaning 538 and right leaning RCP.
This was Trump’s nadir, too. Biden is still sinking.

Add in the polling bias that repeatedly underestimates the GOP and overestimates the Dems, the media, academia, and Hollywood, and it’s extraordinary.
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July 5, 2022 8:09am
- MCōs
  
  Considering Trump was the greatest President who ever lived and Biden is a senile old sausage, that’s not too bad.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:40am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Biden has the corrupt media on his side. That’s a pretty big equalising factor.
    
    I mean, those scumbags are saying that SCOTUS weakened the separation of Church and State by saying that schools can’t fire employees for praying and by saying that if a State helps fund personal education choice they can’t discriminate against religious options. Only an absolute moron sees those legal decisions as incorrect in any way.
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:57am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      To the downtickers. Please explain in a Constitutional context how those rulings weaken the separation of Church and State?
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:18am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Don’t worry about the downtickers, my Lib friend. As a Libertarian you’ll doubtless agree that everyone’s entitled to their opinion, especially those you disagree with. They don’t have to explain why.
        
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        July 5, 2022 12:07pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Loddenthinks – everyone is absolutely entitled to their opinion. I’m not demanding anything, I would just like to know how anyone would justify disagreeing with SCOTUS’ decision. I have a right to ask that question and they have a right to ignore it.
        
        I am honestly interested in the reason though because I simply can’t fathom how anyone can go against the decisions. It’s always good to hear other people’s conflicting opinions as it helps you refine and maybe even change your viewpoints.
        
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        July 5, 2022 12:58pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Fact Check: This is true
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jesus, I dunno if you forgot the sarc tag or not. Uptick anyway. Greatest POTUS even greater that Reagan!
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:47am
- Frank the tank
  
  Oh and all the focus polling is suggesting that Roe v Wade won’t make a lick of difference. Interestingly that is now a biggest story in New Zimbabwe than the US.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:42am
  - Cassandra
    
    That’s interesting. I’d have thought that it’d motivate the Dem base. Republican too but not quite as much, since they’ve got what they wanted and against is a stronger force than for.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Are you saying there is fake news there? Well I never.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:01am
- Nukuleka
  
  I’m surprised you say Realclearpolitics is right leaning. The site very carefully alternates pro-Democrat and pro-Republican articles and lists all opinion polls from whichever polling company. It takes great care to steer a non-partisan course.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:21am
  - Lenticular
    
    They are scrupulously even handed on the front page.
    But you can see the (gentle) tilt in the other RealClear pages, and in RC Investigations. They also took Trafalgar and Susquehanna seriously while e.g. 538 was pretending they were defective. And IIRC, the founders are Republicans. Finally, their poll average is always a point or two right of 538.
    
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    July 5, 2022 2:55pm
Lee C

Thank you KK.

And remember, if you refused a vax it was because you were ‘deluded’.
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July 5, 2022 8:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  That was definitely the message actively promoted by the vaccinaters and their most strident sycophants. However most people in my orbit were a little curious about my decision to not accept the injection, and they were mostly respectful. A number of them have recently started asking me more questions which has been constructive.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:16am
  - Zoomfatigued
    
    Sadly, some of the “less” well reasoned push back I got for holding off was not to argue against the Vax, but that I was among those responsible for prolonging borders not opening, businesses not being able to operate etc. So people were literally pushed into a position where they consented against their better judgement just so the inconvenience would stop.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep, if you told someone you were unvaxed they ran as if you had leprosy. Supermarket isles and no mask they would turn around and leave the isle. Jaspinda got to them in a unbelievable way – and these idiots vote ffs
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:05am
  - quarterpack
    
    If people like me had not voted Labour, we would all be facing a wealth tax right now, as this would have been written in as a non negotiable Greens Labour collation agreement. National had no chance of winning in 2020as they now freely acknowledge Mask wearing and vaccine mandates in some form or another were pretty much standard in all but a few Western democracies…so quit whining and try and add something positive to this site
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      At last!! Someone admits to voting a socialist/communist in.
      Congratulations for being part of the fucking over NZ and R. T. Rower.
      Just remember next year, no COVID fear = Labour lose. Covid is all Jaspinda has left.
      Tell me one posidive thing she has done fore NZ that has worked. I know I will get no answer, you are a troll, and not a very good one. Go talk with Mike and ask him how it is done.
      
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      July 6, 2022 9:11am
Frank the tank

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129173524/pm-ardern-to-meet-premier-daniel-andrews-promote-nz-food-and-talk-natural-capital-in-victoria

In other words Lukey – she is doing fuck…………all.

Ardern fiddles while New Zimbabwe burns.
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July 5, 2022 8:12am
- alex Masterley
  
  No mention of the visitor to Australia in the Sydney Morning Herald.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:22am
  - Nickc2
    
    If she’s in Aust to do a deal with Albo, he’s not even there FFS. What a dumb arse we have for PM.
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Albo is not in the country
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:06am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Not at all Nick – she is there for a holiday and a cop out. Why work hard when you can swan around the world attending events at David Jones.
      
      Quite smart (for her) actually – letting Grunter do all the hard work so much so he got pissed off and started a red-on-red war with Mahutacorp.
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        IMO, she’s hawking her CV around the world to anyone stupid enough the want a look.
        
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        July 5, 2022 10:59am
      - blue collar
        
        clarkes … Aussie Sheila …
        
        [ Mod : gripping stuff and shows how clever you are. Slagging off members of a politician’s family is off limits. Keep it up and you can find another blog to patronise ]
        
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        July 5, 2022 5:13pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why e we pull they, she is not doing anything constructive, what would they say? Elbow not there, she should be here
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Nor in the Melbourne Age. Apart from glancing through Kiwiblog, I’ve been in a Jacinda-free zone for the last few days here in Victoria. Not much mask-wearing anywhere…shops, buses, or trains.
    Our Uber driver last night only put on his mask because he saw we had started putting ours on as we entered his vehicle.
    (and we were only wearing our masks because we were in the wops and couldn’t risk a driver refusing to take us home).
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:29am
Tomtoddy

How can a resource consent process take two and a half years? Why isnt there an outcry against this bureaucratic nonsense? How can the country develop effectively when a process to open up an area for housing can stretch on for that length of time? How many consultants involved? What fees were paid?

The Mangawhai Central development process.
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July 5, 2022 8:14am
- All_on_Red
  
  Apparently that new one in Warkworth took five years and they’ve only started digging now.
  Its crazy how long things take. The Regulatory burden must be expensive.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:03am
Frank the tank

One for MaggiePie.

What is Greta Thunberg up to? Our favorite eco princess has been suspiciously quiet. Maybe she has discovered boys…….
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July 5, 2022 8:14am
- mawm
  
  Jabbercinda has taken her place as the lefty woman most admired.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:30am
- Maggie Pie
  
  She put in an appearance at Glastonbury….DEMANDING everyone spread the word about the ‘climate-crisis’
  
  Greta is as qualified to be a climate expert as Jacinda is to be Prime Minister of New Zealand.
  
  SHEESH!!
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:38am
  - coge
    
    Greta’s been out a-preachin’ a coming vast climate apocalypse!
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:43am
  - MiddleclassTrash
    
    Right! She (Greta) literally doesn’t know anything!
    Imagine you advertised for an accountant, and someone turns up and says:
    I’m not qualified. I have a learning difficulty, so, I left school. But I have strong feelings about book-keeping, & it’s all your fault, so giz a job!
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:12am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Worked for Matthew Tukaki so go figure……
      
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      July 5, 2022 12:53pm
- alloytoo
  
  Some brave boy needs to take one for the team.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:03am
  - blue collar
    
    ID give the brave bastard a medal brother alloy !
    
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    July 5, 2022 5:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Discovered boys? I have heard it worded much stronger than that!
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:54am
Tony Stuart

If you live or work in a tall building, you should be afraid; very afraid. If there’s a fire, the Fire Service might not be able to come to your rescue:

The fire crisis has reached a breaking point, with the last remaining high-ladder trucks between Hamilton and Dunedin unavailable.

The last truck for the lower North Island broke down last night, and now the last truck for Christchurch has gone offline for servicing.

Thorndon senior station officer Mike Thomason and his crew attended a job at Malvina Major retirement village in Khandallah, Wellington, about 6.30pm last night, taking their last 100ft ladder truck to the job.

“On its way back from that fire call, the transmission ceased to function and we literally just had to pull over on the side of the road,” he said.

The firefighters tried to fix the engine and even called out mechanical help, but the appliance couldn’t be restarted and had to be towed.

The appliance, a Thorndon ladder, is the only device capable of reaching more than 18 metres, and now the closest device needed for anything more than that for the Lower North Island is in Hamilton.

Wellington is supposed to have two trucks reaching 100ft – which Thomason said is about eight to 10 floors of a building – but one had already been out of action with mechanical issues. Now both are unavailable.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fire-crisis-breakdown-leaves-most-of-country-with-no-high-ladder-fire-trucks/2KCPUDACYCH2E36R5AWDJHWQDA/

Whanganui usually has an aerial appliance available, but it has been off the road since last week. If required, Whanganui firefighters can call on aerial appliances from Palmerston North (1 hour away) or New Plymouth (2.5 hours away), but that would be scant comfort for patients on the upper floors at Whanganui Hospital, or from people in any of the multi-story buildings around town, a number of which are old, with lots of timber just waiting to ignite.

Fire and Emergency NZ (FENZ) has dragged its feet, and the maintenance of existing appliances has been of low priority. Even worse, Minister Jan Tinetti seems to be sitting on her hands, dismissing the concerns of firefighters and the Professional Firefighters Union.

Let me make this clear; in no way is this a criticism of firefighters, who are doing a remarkable job in difficult circumstances. The issue lies fairly and squarely with FENZ, and with Minister Tinetti. It’s more a case of good luck than good management that there hasn’t already been a tragedy due to the inability of firefighters to do their job due to staff shortages and run-down equipment.

Jan Tinetti needs to show leadership on this issue, and it needs to start now. Making soothing noises that everything is fine is both untrue and unacceptable, when it is clear that things within the Fire Service are far from fine.
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July 5, 2022 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  The fire service has been prominent in its efforts to be more “diverse”in its hiring .
  
  Well how about prioritising just doing the job you’re paid to do ?
  
  Go woke go broke.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Add to that firefighters mandated out of their jobs.
  This government is destroying NZ. The next election could be too late.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:22am
- Swifty
  
  Can’t even get the basics right but they expect us to trust them with centralising and massive change to health, water, the polytechs and of course the great fraud that is co-governance.
  
  I wouldn’t trust this rabble to run a bath.
  
  We deserve better.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:22am
- Matt Long
  
  9 years of neglect.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:28am
  - Cassandra
    
    Well, Matt, it’s certainly 4.
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:33am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Pretty sure it’s sarc from Matt.
      
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      July 5, 2022 9:17am
  - Countrygirl
    
    Must be 14 years of neglect now, surely?
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:43am
  - tf78
    
    Five years of pure incompetence.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      5 years of lies and deceit !
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:08am
  - rangitoto
    
    5 years of miserable failure.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:06am
- Swifty
  
  Labour are a builder who has completely destroyed your dreams of home ownership by taking your money and leaving a half-built shell on crooked piles, no drainage, garage built next door, no roof and driveway exiting on to neighbours property instead of the street – and now wants you to trust them to put in a pool (payment up front of course).
  
  I’m amazed that people would still vote for them after what we’ve had to endure these last five years.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:29am
- Taieri
  
  Jan Tinetti needs to show leadership on this issue
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  She has.
  
  Whakaratonga Iwi has made a very significant progress in shaking off the remaining vestiges of its colonial and racist past. It is now to a large degree an inclusive, equitable and diverse organization committed to the principles of Kia Tika, Manaakitanga, Whanaungatanga and Auahatanga.
  All firefighters are strongly encouraged to deepen their cultural competency and to progress their awareness and understanding of Kaupapa Maori. After passing the test they are rewarded with Te Tohu which symbolizes their progression in their cultural education and enables them to champion the kaupapa of Hiwa-i-te-rangi.
  
  As for the high-ladders…what ladders? What Maui giveth Maui taketh away…
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    I fear such teachings and beliefs are rapidly becoming mandatory in NZ. They have already become so in our Govt, Councils, Schools, Police, MSM, Health Sector, Public Service, Sporting Organisations, Military, and now Firefighters to name a few.
    IMO, the Private Sector is not going to be spared from this Stone Age lunacy BS either. It will become part of gaining consent to conduct any business in NZ that requires Resource Management, Local or Central Govt approval.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:36am
    - GJM
      
      Māori pandering and blackmail already is a part of dealing with resource consents in NZ. I had to put in a replacement water bore. The old one having reached the end of life after 80 years. No change in demand, and the new one is deeper into the aquifer as well. $1500 “iwi charge” and up to 6 iwi could have had an interest, each charging whatever they wanted and it included one in Coromandel when I am in Auckland. I was lucky as only 1 thought this poor farmer was worth a shakedown, hence only $1500. You had no choice, you had to pay whatever they were asking and agree to whatever conditions Māori Science demanded or no resorce consent and no bore. It took 18 months to finally get our bore.
      The same applied when I needed a RC for our cowshed. This is the same cowshed that has been there in some form since around 1920 when it was turned into a returned servicemen’s farm. None the less, we needed a resource consent. Again, no RC without iwi approval.
      
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      July 5, 2022 2:48pm
  - pdm
    
    `All firefighters are strongly encouraged to deepen their cultural competency and to progress their awareness and understanding of Kaupapa Maori.’
    
    And here I was thinking they would be better off learning how to fight fires and extract people from builings that are on fire .
    
    Learning to use the `Jaws of Life’ would also be part of their core job description too.
    
    How wrong can I be or more to the point can you be Jan Tinetti.
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:41am
    - alloytoo
      
      `All firefighters are strongly encouraged to deepen their cultural competency and to progress their awareness and understanding of Kaupapa Maori.’
      
      No body ever seems to be answer “Why?” though.
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:06am
  - Ehlana
    
    So, who are the Whakaratonga Iwi?
    
    Given the name and the information provided, I assume some sort of secret Maori society of racists formed during the colonial era. Good to hear they’re moving on from those attitudes. It’d be pretty hard to maintain them though, when all Maori have at least non-Maori ancestor.
    
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    July 5, 2022 2:56pm
    - Taieri
      
      So, who are the Whakaratonga Iwi?
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      Once upon a time it was known as New Zealand Fire Service. Erroneously, methinks…
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Comes down to one thing – funding. Plenty of money to fly around the World, plenty to throw at Covid (including advertising) but no money for the life saving first responders.
  Socialists suck.
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:08am
ClanMcleod

It is the 4th of July in the US, a very important day in their history. Off Guardian has an excellent reminder of what that day celebrates and why. Always great reading.

“This makes it easy for us to forget that the idea of America was once something different, & that idea still exists in the wording of the Constitution & the Declaration of Independence.

” Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

We have all seen this as Covid-world has progressed. From masks to social distancing to lockdown, people have adapted to a slew of sufferable evils rather than right themselves.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/07/04/this-july-4th-we-should-all-declare-our-independence-from-the-new-normal/

Worth a read, maybe a couple of times.
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July 5, 2022 8:17am
In Vino Veritas

July 2018. President Donald Trump criticises Germany for coming to the US for their defence, yet prostrating themselves to Russia for the majority of their energy. Of course, Trump was in turn roundly criticised by the left in Europe and even more so by the Democrats in the US.
Well people, it looks like Trump was right as Germany warns that it is likely Russia will use planned maintenance and technical issues to reduce or stop the flow of gas to Germany. And the outcome of that would be carnage in Germany. But don’t worry though, Wee Joey Biden will let them know that it will be a chance for Germany to move to greener technology. All be it the move will be made while the country is on its knees.
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July 5, 2022 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here is how Biden is current viewed at home. Not pretty.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:27am
  - yossarian
    
    Ouch!!! I suspect this will be in the news at 6pm tonight
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:25am
    - Nickc2
      
      Tongue in cheek eh?
      
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      July 5, 2022 9:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You can guarantee Thursdays Morgan poll won’t be on the 6 pm news, Hooten is suggesting it could have Labour starting with a 2 and the way these ministers are hiding and the queen of bullshit, it is probably true, No sign of Robertson who should have finished his 7 day iso
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just not sinking in for Joe
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Greens, scum of the Earth
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:22am
krazykiwi

I dedicate this el gato malo quote to Luxon: –

free people do not follow focus group tested soundbites. they follow leaders.

leadership requires the possession of the courage of one’s convictions, not the shallow tactical morality of the pandering demagogue.

such leadership becomes most vital in times of crisis.

elect those of manipulative and mendacious inclination whose only end is to foment and exaggerate crisis upon crisis and yet lacking in any and all of the traits to resolve such calamities or to defend a free people and the results shall ever be debasement and misery.

there are no exceptions.

only those of courage and character may truly serve the cause of liberty that underpins human flourishing.

With relatively few exceptions, we do not have leaders. We have followers of trends and focus groups. This is why Ardern was elevated to power that she is manifestly incapable of using wisely. This is why simply replacing one focus group follower with another will not correct our multi-electoral cycle leadership crisis.
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July 5, 2022 8:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Spot on as usual from the cattitude.
  
  Marketing and PR, spin and hubris. Speak openly and let your words stand on their own merit.
  
  Ardern is the epitome of the vacuous, fake, media construct. Her only equivalent is possibly Trudeau. They are the Ken and Barbie of the political world. Except Ken and Barbie aren’t destroying peoples’ lives.
  Edward Bernays has a lot to answer for. Marketing in products and services is odious enough, but it has no place in politics. Here’s hoping Luxon is reading your post KK.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:24am
kowtow

The Media Pardy seem intent on highlighting how shit the health service is , across the board.

The Health Pardy are very happy to go along .

If there was one sector of society , other than the Media Pardy , who were all for the destructive Jacindajab lockdowns and consequences that flowed therefrom it was the Medicos .

They made their bed , so they should stop whinning.
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July 5, 2022 8:26am
Yabster

From the Taxpayers Union- easy to put in a submission opposing three waters:

https://www.stopthreewaters.nz/submission
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July 5, 2022 8:26am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Yabster-
  Yes, Marlborough District Council has a link on its social media page to making a submission re the Three Waters.
  It is accompanied by a direct to the community letter by Mayor Leggett in which he states: “ Council continues to strongly oppose the Government’s mega model Three waters reform proposal.”
  He is a brave man.
  But sadly perhaps in line for cancellation by the Wellington elites.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:27am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING

For all you Matthew Tukaki fans, here’s an interesting thread to follow 😀

Now what I didn’t know, was that Matt’s bro, is actually Willie Jackson’s Chief-of-Staff. (And looking at the pic I think they might be Twins?)

The school-mates reminisces are a hoot…..

https://twitter.com/truereckons1/status/1543769033689903104
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July 5, 2022 8:27am
- pdm
  
  Boy some guy from the Maori Council gave Tukkaki a serve with HDPA yesterday. Tukaki apparently hasn’t returned their lap top which has confidential information on it and allegedly there is money owing.
  
  This looks like it is just warming up – get the popcorn in.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    There’ll be no pop corn.
    
    There’s a slow burning fire in this country that looked like it could be have been coming to a head .
    
    Mahuta Corp , Tutaki , jackson’s appalling comments on democracy , the labour maori caucus emptying the prisons onto the streets making crime so bad, then there’s the whole thing around embedding racism into the constitution via new health authority , 3 waters and the so called he pua pua etc
    
    And yet with all that , the Media Pardy and commentariat have thrown a blanket on the fire to keep it out of the public eye …………unlike Roe V Wade and “let’s hate the Christians in the Nats” agenda, they throw petrol on that one.
    
    The electorate is being played , bigly.
    
    And our democracy is being choked , slowly but surely .
    
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    July 5, 2022 8:55am
  - Yvette
    
    More on Tukaki
    Fallout over critical Māori Council letter
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/fallout-over-critical-maori-council-letter
    
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    July 5, 2022 9:17am
    - Swifty
      
      Dodgy, dodgy, dodgy.
      
      If this carries on Tukaki, Mahuta, Jackson, Davis etc etc will be known forever as “the grave-diggers of co-governance.”
      
      Through their dodginess, slipperiness and straight out incompetence they will kill it in the public mind before it even gets off the ground.
      
      Good.
      
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      July 5, 2022 10:58am
- artemisia
  
  I see David Seymour is asking Written Questions about work commissioned from Kawai Catalyst Limited. Also a subject of a piece on ThePlatform a few weeks ago. Perhaps more to come ….
  
  One meaning of ‘kawai’ is tentacle.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:45am
- Nickc2
  
  The Mahuta Plague is spreading eh?
  Vaccinate all Pollies before it becomes a Pandemic.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:45am
- Frank the tank
  
  Gut feeling is this will kick up again when Grunter gets over his Kungflu. Clearly Poor Man’s Gordon Brown is sharpening knives while our Glorious Leader does the hard yards at David Jones.
  
  The wee one from Dunedin and the Hugh Rights assistant sales manager will also be involved.
  
  Red on Red woke shit fight – grab the popcorn!!!!
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Grunter still going to the Labour Talkfest in Sydney along with his sisters.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:18am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Yep will be an interesting flight over there with Mahutacorp.
      
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      July 5, 2022 12:55pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – I appreciate your doing the twitter feed for us. That is an excellent thread.
  
  I’ve been “suspended” for a year for posting a factual piece regarding covid vaccines that originated from Pfizer. lol
  I’ve asked repeatedly for them to delete my account totally, they have never responded. They obviously like keeping the accounts to keep the numbers up so they can rip of Musk!
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:32am
- Raphael
  
  I did have an individual on Facebook a while ago respond that my criticism of Mahuta’s nepotism was me not understanding NZ culture (as I am an immigrant). And that if I actually learnt the culture I would not see it as being an issue.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:40am
  - Swifty
    
    They were right.
    
    Nepotism is perfectly acceptable in certain NZ circles.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  Not so long ago, a speaker at a meeting here was an aid worker from Papua New Guinea.
  He didn’t hold back on the governmental and societal corruption (allegedly) rife amongst the elites in that country.
  He said all us do-gooders here who raise funds for the underprivileged would be horrified if they knew where most of the money went, including:
  Directly into the bank accounts of high up government electeds and officials – central and local.
  Then down to their family and tribal supporters/members.
  Many of the so-called leaders spent most of the year (and their country’s money) living the high life in international aid and do-gooder funded condos on the Gold Coast and on “official” trips to conferences and receptions around the world.
  Asked why the ordinary people didn’t kick up a fuss about this, he said the majority had no idea and tribal loyalties would prevent them from daring to question their rulers for fear of retribution.
  Can anyone see some similarities building up here?
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:50am
103PapPap

And in breaking news … the Democrats have found another six young female interns who claim that “Trump tried to take the steering wheel off me”
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July 5, 2022 8:33am
- Frank the tank
  
  Do you think they would have trumped out little miss if she looked like Megan Woods…..
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Trump grabbed me by the steering wheel”
  Sounds authentic, exactly what Trump would do.
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:49am
KH

Stuff News continues to avoid the Tukaki story.
They proclaim “Our Truth” which somehow relates to their government payments.
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July 5, 2022 8:44am
- Frank the tank
  
  Willy holds the broadcasting keys not Robber(tson). The feckless have been warned whereas Poor Man’s Gordon Brown is on friendly terms with Simon Power.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:14am
  - Jack5
    
    In the Herald, Wily-Willie Jackson gives his racist sales pitch on his emerging State media monolith.
    At least the subsidised Herald had the conscience to put Jackson’s crap behind its paywall.
    
    A sample of Wily-Willie’s Herald agitprop:
    
    “Of course I will be asking if there can be more of a Maori presence. After all Maori are still very much an afterthought in New Zealand mainstream media …”
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:30am
Rusty

So Auckland is going through another epidemic at the moment namely the increase of knife attack crimes.

We were told by our govt 3 years ago the buy back of firearms would reduce the chances of the bad guys committing violent crimes but now it seems these people don’t need guns — stabbing someone with a
knife will do the job.

And its not always a mental health issue either — there are people in our society who do not fear our police or the consequences of their actions.

Whats the answer?
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July 5, 2022 9:05am
- Countrygirl
  
  You should no longer be concerned about mental health. The new system is going to use the moon to overcome all that sort of problem.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:36am
  - Mummy
    
    Lunatics much?
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Only if you’re Maori and have relatives employed by the Maori Health Authority. Then, no worries, head of the queue.
    
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    July 5, 2022 12:39pm
  - Ehlana
    
    What if it is cloudy and you can’t see the moon?
    
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    July 5, 2022 3:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Similar to matariki. Do you really think you can see those faint stars in our winter mornings?
      
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      July 5, 2022 7:22pm
- kowtow
  
  A ban on sharp knives that are over 12 inches long ,is clearly called for , along with a licensing system that keeps all other knives out of the hands of unfit folk.
  
  That’ll do it.
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Plastic knives will be next
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:53am
Suze Wainwright

Chloe’s tweeted that she’ll sort the White Lady’s issues out.

Does that mean the conversion to a 100% vegan menu using the best plants aotearoa has to offer, elimination of its carbon footprint and rebranding to Te Wahine Ma…? (Plus a mandatory requirement for all employees to be rainbow certified and compliant).
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July 5, 2022 9:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Suze – I’m sure she’ll allow bug burgers on the menu.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:34am
- Nickc2
  
  They’ll be forced to sell Marijuana by the time Chloe’s finished sorting out the problem.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:50am
- tf78
  
  I hope she can – they’re my relatives. They should have about 24 years left of their 99 year lease which enables them to be located in the city.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So she will ban big fat sausages and meatballs?
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:55am
- Frank the tank
  
  Chloe is becoming a “gunna”
  
  Gunna do this, gunna do that.
  
  The problem with “gunnas” is that they never do anything…….
  
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  July 5, 2022 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    David Lange was a ‘Gunna’
    
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    July 5, 2022 4:52pm
Tomtoddy

Here is how to ‘doctor’ a survey. https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/we-are-at-a-turning-point-72-pct-of-m%C4%81ori-say-police-are-racist-in-some-way/ar-AAZaM9L?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=975206b786694178b9e477d55b02474a

Maori were surveyed and 40% said there were racists in the police force. 28% said racism was endemic in the force and 4% said all officers were racist. From those stats the conclusion was that 72% of Maori believe the police are racist.

I suggest a survey of any grouping of people would say there are probably racists in any organisation but that does not make the organisation racist. More unprofessionsal biased reporting by the bought and paid for media.
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July 5, 2022 9:12am
- Cassandra
  
  40% of the people polled have been arrested so of course they’re bleating racism. It’s true that Maoris are over-represented in their involvement with Police but that’s because they commit more crime. Much more, about 10 times as much as Europeans, for example.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:51am
- alloytoo
  
  The stat they neglected to offer us was what percentage of the police were Maori……
  
  The (at very least) 10% of the force who are Maori. What did they think?
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:15am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Just because Maori believe something doesn’t make it true. As a corrections officer every time I said no to one of them it was apparently because I am a racist.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:29am
- Swifty
  
  Significant numbers of people believe the earth is flat, socialism works or that they have been anally-probed by aliens.
  
  Doesn’t make it true.
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So that’s how men get pregnant? Probed by aliens?
    It all makes sense now.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The fucking control freak Socialists are up to their nonsense again.
Dry July my left tit. Just piss off, piss off.
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July 5, 2022 9:16am
- gump
  
  Dry July is a choice.
  
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  July 5, 2022 9:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    I believe I shall double my consumption.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:15am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      alloy – me too, we need to support the struggling liquor industry. Make up for all the wowsers.
      
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      July 5, 2022 2:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There are shitloads of wowsers – boom!
        Alcoholics go to meetings, drinkers go to parties. Who is on deck for tomorrow nights’ party?
        
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        July 5, 2022 4:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A choice that is adverstised, sure.
    I’m off to get 3 Jacks, 3 Crown Royals, and 4 doz of Stella soon.
    
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    July 5, 2022 12:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Go for your life and choose what you want. I will also choose. They can just fuck right off out of my life.
    
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    July 5, 2022 4:54pm
gump

I see that six people are dead and twenty four people were injured by a sniper with a rifle during a 4th of July parade in Chicago. The gun man has escaped without being caught.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/shooting-reported-4th-july-parade-chicago-suburb-highland/story?id=86186529
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July 5, 2022 9:24am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Sadly about the same as a normal Chicago weekend (they average 16 murders per week and 10 shootings a day)
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:14am
  - kowtow
    
    Three “news’ been reporting about a guy shot multiple times by Cops in US , after he had shot at them!
    
    No mention of this mass shooting. Cops Lives matter ?
    
    ‘ Three police officers have been shot dead in the US state of Kentucky while trying to serve a warrant on a man accused of domestic violence.’
    
    Source BBC.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:01am
    - gump
      
      I posted about that shooting in yesterday’s General Debate.
      
      In return I got 19 downvotes and an reply from Tom Hunter saying that gun control doesn’t work … I suspect that the three dead cops would disagree with Tom’s idiotic opinion.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/07/general_debate_04_july_2022.html#comment-3203747
      
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      July 5, 2022 12:15pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Knowing some American cops in Chicago as I do I’d say they’d like it if the gun control laws currently on the books were actually enforced by the Democrats who demand them. But they’re not.
        
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        July 5, 2022 12:38pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Gun control doesn’t work. Ask Timothy McVeigh. Fertiliser is easier to source than guns. Well, it used to be until the west started pissing off Russia!
        
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        July 5, 2022 2:35pm
  - MCōs
    
    Highland Park had no murders in 2019 and not much other crime either.
    https://247wallst.com/city/crime-in-highland-park-illinois/
    Everywhere ain’t the same in that neck of the woods.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:37am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      It’s an affluent mostly White suburb, and affluent White neighourhoods tend to be peaceful places due to the demographic make-up.
      
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      July 5, 2022 1:03pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    The facts concerning the proliferation of Black crimes with illegal handguns in urban centres are not newsworthy because they destroy the narrative that violent White people with legal weapons are the ones doing all of the killing.
    
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    July 5, 2022 1:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s just how Chicago is. Media making a big deal coz it’s Independence Day.
  What has Lori Bigfoot got to say about it?
  
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  July 5, 2022 12:04pm
ClanMcleod

Poignant and important words. Zev Zelenko made a video prior to his death. His words are beautiful and formidable. He deserves the highest accolades.

https://youtu.be/9_kKMM2plf4
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July 5, 2022 9:37am
vant

Booster rollout might have been responsible for causing 400 excess deaths between December 2021 and March 2022 in NZ.
https://www.nzcpr.com/covid-19-boosters-and-rising-excess-mortality-in-new-zealand/

The rollout of booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines to the general population is controversial. The ratio of vaccine risk to benefits likely has swung more towards risk than during the original randomized trials, due to dose-dependent adverse events and to fixation of immune responses on a variant no longer circulating, yet the evidence underpinning mass use of boosters is weaker than was the evidence for the original vaccine rollout. In light of an unsatisfactory risk-evidence situation, aggregate weekly data on excess mortality in New Zealand are used here to study the impacts of rolling out booster doses. Instrumental variables estimates using a plausible source of exogenous variation in the rate of booster dose rollout indicate 16 excess deaths per 100,000 booster doses, totaling over 400 excess deaths from New Zealand’s booster rollout to date. The value of statistical life of these excess deaths is over $1.6 billion. The age groups most likely to use boosters had 7-10 percentage point rises in excess mortality rates as boosters were rolled out while the age group that is mostly too young for boosters saw no rise in excess mortality.

John Gibson, 2022. “The Rollout of COVID-19 Booster Vaccines is Associated With Rising Excess Mortality in New Zealand,” Working Papers in Economics 22/11, University of Waikato.
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July 5, 2022 9:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  Our ‘leaders’ are donkey deep in all this, and their hubris-filled response has been to double down and try to spin it away while demonising those of us who have been sounding the alarm.
  
  Ultimately it won’t work.
  
  People will put with up dodgy politicians, spin and bluster.
  
  But they won’t put up with their person, and their loved ones being harmed by the lies of their ‘leaders’
  
  The truth will out.
  
  And then the retaliations will begin.
  
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  July 5, 2022 10:24am
  - cmm
    
    Sometimes it becomes easier to just go with the nastier lies than face the truth, or to quote the idiom: There’s none so blind as those who will not see.
    
    Just look at our corruption perception index. It’s not that the corruption is not plain to see; it is that the people do now want to believe that there is corruption in Magic New Zealand.
    
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    July 5, 2022 10:52am
    - mawm
      
      When those who follow blindly get their never ending covid infections they’ll start to ask questions and to seek out ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin that they previously ridiculed.
      
      FLCCC have updated their protocols and, apart from not being able to get the 2 drugs, they have become simpler.
      
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      July 5, 2022 4:23pm
  - Inandout
    
    krazy, yes the politicians are deeply involved but are they and their families being vaccinated to the extent the public is? There are no public records to that effect.
    
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    July 5, 2022 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All the more reason for me to not even get the first booster.
  
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  July 5, 2022 12:09pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I would say to any adult, if you feel the need to do it then that is your choice, but my advice would be to think carefully and check out the multiple available alternative sources of information and data.
    Do a comparison with the “single source of truth”. It won’t take very long to figure out that unless you are at high risk of dying from the flu then don’t get this jab. Even that is dubious. It MIGHT give you some brief protection, but it wanes rapidly and the adverse effects are mounting rapidly. This won’t get better, it may not get worse, but it may. We don’t know because long term studies were never done.
    This is the biggest experiment in history. I don’t even want to call it “medical” – I think its more about population control than medicine.
    It should never be going near anyone under 60 in reasonable health. The risks outweigh any potential benefit and that risk increases dramatically the younger you are.
    
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    July 5, 2022 1:00pm
curry4me

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/02/abba-rings-out-as-opposing-protesters-face-off-in-dunedin/
ABBA rings out as opposing protesters face-off in Dunedin.

The Freedom and Rights Coalition (FRC), founded by Destiny Church leader Brian Tamaki, and now led by former boxer Derek Tait, took to Dunedin’s CBD to protest anti-vaccine mandates.
However, they were drowned out by the chorus of counter-protesters dancing to 70s hits.
The group was led by “queer” artist and composer Dudley Benson, who said they were there in opposition to the “homophobic” views of the FRC. [Derek should have brought his rainbow flag to this demo too. He had one at the last one in Christchurch. After all, gay people lost their jobs for refusing the vax. Others had to make a choice. 00:57]
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July 5, 2022 10:22am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  ..”(Tamaki’s FRC) views that are aligned with Q-Anon, with misogyny and white supremacy, fundamentally they want to attack LGBTQ+, our communities and our rights,” {said Dudley Benson}.
  
  White supremacy? Destiny Church? LOL.
  And all the rest.
  Dudley should have added in “climate change denying, fake Google review making and chewing with their mouth open!” to the list or slurs.
  
  This bozo is the same guy who got upset and was in the media when people posted mean things about his cafe after he continued to insist for Vaccine Passes despite the national requirement being dropped. He proudly shared how he then went after the reviewers via their places of employment, making phone calls to their managers for example.
  A Cry Bully.
  
  Now I think he should be allowed to run his business however he likes, but it does show he is a person on the far end of the other ideology spectrum when you look at the hysterical extremes of this Covid debacle.
  And here he is hanging with Saint Cindy of the Pestilence herself!
  https://www.audioculture.co.nz/profile/dudley-benson/image/32955
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:50pm
  - curry4me
    
    Once you get past friends, rellies, and neighbours; and get to pollies ‘journalists’ academics, and the like, they’re not very nice people.
    
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    July 5, 2022 4:25pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sytWLB4-W-M

EVs Won’t Save the Planet.

What is the BIG EV Lie? Will electric vehicles save the planet if we all buy them? Are cars definitely the worst causes of Global Warming? And if not, what is? This week it’s the long-awaited EV episode, and I’m afraid, it might not be what you were expecting… When we first embarked on a whole episode about EVs, we thought it would be easy. Take the piss out of electric cars and their owners, add in some amusing movie clips for comedic effect, do some impressions, use that clip of Greta Thunberg a lot, and Bob’s your uncle. But the deeper we dug, the more we found, and it became simply impossible to be… well… funny. You see there are some huge issues to deal with here, and it would seem, a lot of misinformation. Yes, it’s easy to criticise EVs for range anxiety, charging waiting times, the upfront cost of the vehicles, and in one case – that autopilot mode. But forget all that short-term guff and explore with us what will happen in the future – do we have the energy and raw materials to cope with mass EV adoption? And perhaps more importantly, is electricity actually all that green anyway? This episode has been a year in the making, and whilst it’s not two old guys wise-cracking in a supercar, we still felt it needed to made. We hope you enjoy it. [He does a good job of demolishing the usual EV myths. He believes ‘globull warming’ is a thing. But he can back his EV POV up with facts. So, good for him. 26:36]
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July 5, 2022 10:23am
cmm

I am now coming out the other side of a CV19 infection, having tested positive on Friday.

60. Heart patient. Unvaccinated. I’ve had far worse colds.

Most likely caught it from a double-boosted colleague.

So after a week, the only real longterm impacts of CV19 are a massive crater in the economy that is going to take more than a generation to fix.
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July 5, 2022 10:48am
- krazykiwi
  
  Glad you’re on the mend, cmm. Similar recovery to my own. We still need that glass of lunch sometime when we’re in the same city.
  
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  July 5, 2022 11:35am
- alloytoo
  
  Glad you’ve recovered.
  
  My parents and uncle (all late 70’s will various ailments of age) caught Omicron probably faired better than if it was the flu.
  
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  July 5, 2022 12:27pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Just came through cv19 as well.
  As far as I was concerned it was a cold and not even the worst one I have had.
  Managed to work remotely throughout so kept my bit of the economy working.
  we had two off school but they were able to work remotely.
  
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  July 5, 2022 12:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s rapidly becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated.
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:02pm
Alan Wilkinson

Interesting relevant observations on the Spectator UK I parked earlier on yesterday’s GD:

Physiocrat:

Western countries destroyed their own manufacturing base through their dysfunctional tax systems. In Sweden, labour costs are 230% of the real purchasing power of net wages.

Brisbane Calling:

“In Sweden, labour costs are 230% of the real purchasing power of net wages.” I don’t know what that means.
I do know that Germany is both a high-wage and a high-tax economy.
The article’s analysis of Germany’s economic problems makes no reference to tax.

Physiocrat:

Real purchasing power of wages- 100 kr
Price of 100 kr goods and service = 125 kr (100 kr + sales tax)
Gross pay to provide net pay of 125 kr = 178 kr.
Plus payroll tax 31% = (178 + 53) = 231 kr
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Labour cost to employer = 231 kr
Real purchasing power of above amount 100 kr

The article ought to have referred to tax. It is, after all, rather an important factor.

Brisbane Calling:

So the sales tax is 25 kr, the income tax is 53 kr, and the payroll tax is another 53 kr?
Fair enough, but isn’t that tax used to provide services?
So it’s a high-tax economy, as I said about Germany. The real question is: Does it work? And can’t we answer that question only by including other factors, such as GDP and budget deficit and cost of living and quality of government services and so on?

Physiocrat:

It does not work. It is a high-tax economy which is imploding. Income from crime is tax free. Unskilled workers, in particular migrants, cannot produce enough added value to cover the cost of employing them. They are locked out of legal, gainful employment. In this situation the tax is not used to provide services but to mitigate the damage done by the tax system itself. The result is persistent high unemployment and an intractable problem of growing criminality.

If you are from Brisbane, you might be interested to know that your council commissioned an excellent report by Sir Gordon Chalk, published in 1986, which went into the problems caused by taxation of wages, goods and services.
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July 5, 2022 10:55am
oldfella

This story seems to have been ignored by our media… Hmm…
UFC Champ Israel Adesanya Calls for Public Naming of ‘Pedos’ in Ghislaine Maxwell Case
UFC Champion Israel Adesanya is calling for authorities to release the names of the elites linked to Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of sexually abusing young girls.
There are reports that Maxwell had a list of the people for whom Epstein allegedly obtained women for sexual encounters and many expect the list will include the names of famous Hollywood elites as well as business giants and politicians. But this list has never been made public by prosecutors.
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2022/07/03/watch-ufc-champ-israel-adesanya-calls-for-public-naming-of-pedos-in-ghislaine-maxwell-case/
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July 5, 2022 11:15am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Personally, I wouldn’t have wanted to draw the short-straw 🙁
  
  https://twitter.com/KittieLee07/status/1543852267199025152
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:08pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Funniest thing all year. I am going to hell.
    
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    July 5, 2022 3:17pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum called in with a couple of sausage rolls for morning tea.

She was saying one of the old guys at the RV maintains….. “you can only imagine the amount of graft and corruption going on in the country since this government came to power. It’s likely to be in the hundreds-of-millions. And it’s at all levels”
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July 5, 2022 11:21am
Maggie Pie

And keep an eye out for this horrible looking pr*ck!

Another one of ‘lifes-losers’ with a neck tattoo…..

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1544083530505920512
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July 5, 2022 11:37am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, looks very much like a vegan. Lifeless.
  
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  July 5, 2022 12:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What makes some in the replies think he is a Trump voter? Trolls.
  
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  July 5, 2022 12:16pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  They got the prick. Now he can rap about being defiled in jail for the rest of his life.
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:00pm
Maggie Pie

I told my partner he’s going to have to increase the weekly DC into my bank acct.
Filled the car again yesterday. $159!
And that’s before I did the grocery shopping….. Another $647.

He was telling me the reason everything has gone up so much, is because the NZD has dropped about 14% in the last nine months against the USD.
I told him I couldn’t give a flying phuq about the REASONS….just put another grand across.

Men, eh?
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July 5, 2022 12:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good thing you don’t have a petrol Toyota Prado.
  Over $250 for a fill.
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Start economizing….
  Bike to tennis.
  Make your partner marmite Sammies for his lunch.
  Start foraging around St Mary’s Bay for puha and pipis
  Darn your partners holey Sox.
  Tell your priest that you qualify for parish poor handouts.
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You lefties are all the same
    
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    July 5, 2022 5:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Just a working-class gal who knows how to live well off scrag ends.
      
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      July 5, 2022 7:34pm
- mogg
  
  Maggie how save money. Cut your own hair or let your partner do it for you.
  
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  July 5, 2022 4:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fuck that. My daughter did mine, then it was just not quite right, so I did the rest myself – number two, had no choice to tidy up.
    Us poor old pensioners can’t pay for a haircut ….
    
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    July 5, 2022 5:19pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “nd that’s before I did the grocery shopping….. Another $647.”
  
  Yeah I know you think you are hilarious.
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey America. The holiday you are celebrating only exists because people were armed.
Happy 4th of July Birthday America.

And before you gun wanks start, America does not have a gun problem, it has a doped up mental health problem disguised as a gin problem.
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July 5, 2022 1:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I hope you don’t have a gin problem, Steve. But it is Dry July, and people will help you if you need help.
  
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  July 5, 2022 2:35pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s only weak and woke who need help with everything milkey. Most of us are happy to stand up for ourselves and just get on with it.
    
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    July 5, 2022 2:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oh boy, that is good, and I stand by it!!!
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:21pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m always happy to help a friend like Steve. He’s obviously a good guy.
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:25pm
  - MCōs
    
    I have a problem with gin. I don’t like it.
    
    I expect you meant to type ’gun’.
    
    Why is it that all these violent people in America with or without mental health problems (as opposed to the vast majority who are not violent) are not necessarily restricted from buying guns?
    Hasn’t their Supreme Court just made it easier for potential homicidal maniacs to get their hands on guns?
    
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    July 5, 2022 4:50pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Exactly. Nowhere else in the developed world has the same scale of mass shootings. As rates of mental illness and overall crime are not markedly worse i the US, it is obvious that their catastrophic experience is almost entirely due to a decades-long campaign to demonize normal controls on firearms.
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick Mac!
      The normal people are not homicidal maniacs.
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick Mike, you spotted my typo. Good boy!
    Disguised as a Gin problem was a cracker. Gun is correct.
    Gin drinkers have a problem with Gin/Guns, do they?
    
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    July 5, 2022 5:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You’re welcome. It’s now gin o’clock, too.
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:32pm
ClanMcleod

Looks like the Dutch might be getting to the end of their tether with the bullshit from the WEF and their “great reset”. The insane “green new deal” and all of the other woke complete bollocks we are being harassed with.
Planned reductions in nitrates are believed to have the potential to shut down 30% of their profitable farming export industry.
Protests included manure at government offices and hay bales on fire at the sides of motorways.

https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/dutch-farmers-form-tractor-blockade-in-massive-protest-over-nitrogen-policy/786740839188069/

I think the greenies and libtards might be just pushing their garbage a bit too far. We’re apparently heading to a food crisis. No, Russia didn’t cause it. This was always going to happen whether the war in Ukraine happened or not. It doesn’t help, but it’s not the cause.
What do these morons think is going to happen if people can’t afford food? Do they really think they can get the whole planet to drive electric cars and eat bugs? Do they not understand the reaction is not going to very pretty when a substantial number of the population of the planet get angry and figure out who is responsible for this madness?
Complete and utter ideologically driven f#%wits. Twats, every last one of them.

The next few months are going to be very interesting around the world.
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July 5, 2022 1:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  In June last year the Sir Lankan government restricted nitrate fertilizers, and the results have been dire: already struggling farms and farmers were pushed over the edge with disastrous social and economic consequence. The Dutch authorities had better take note. They have already lit a similar fuse.
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:49pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Indeed, the UK paying farmers 100k to retire. Paying to “rewild” formerly productive farmland. NZ paying to put pine trees on productive farmland.
    We are heading to a very dark place, and I’m not talking about the inevitable power cuts.
    It’s either complete and utter stupidity on a scale never imagined, or it really is a plan to destroy society as we know it.
    If that is the case then I think these idiots haven’t thought it through. Do they really think we’ll peacefully transition to their ideological utopia? They are deluded. There will be blood on the streets if they try. It’s already happening in Sri Lanka.
    Most of us want a cleaner environment, less pollution etc, but this drive to purity is as impossible as it is insane.
    
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    July 5, 2022 2:22pm
    - mawm
      
      Time to invest in hemp and lamp posts.
      
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      July 5, 2022 4:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  In June last year the Sri Lankan government restricted nitrate fertilizers, and the results have since been dire: already struggling farms and farmers were pushed over the edge with disastrous social and economic consequence. The Dutch authorities had better take note. They have already lit a similar fuse.
  
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  July 5, 2022 1:55pm
Maggie Pie

Bet nobody asked the Animals 😎

https://twitter.com/WellingtonZoo/status/1543737598736482304
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July 5, 2022 2:04pm
- Don Beckett
  
  It is WELLINGTON zoo – so no surprises there. Wellington – the queer capital of Ayo Tear a rower.
  
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  July 5, 2022 4:47pm
cmm

Today I tried out a new USB voltage/power power meter. Handy for those who need how devices are charging (ie. what voltage and current etc).

Most of them now also output the power in Watts so that you don’t have to do the calculation in your head.

This new one even tells your CO2 footprint!
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July 5, 2022 2:18pm
septic skeptic

I’ve been thinking a bit about the Hairy Maclary books, and aside from a lack of bitches I think they are already a fairly diverse bunch. Bitzer Maloney is a cross(dresser?) and Bottomley Potts is pretty self-explanatory!
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July 5, 2022 2:24pm
- MCōs
  
  I rarely think about the Hairy MacLary books, but Kim Hill talked to the author Dame Lynley Dodd on Saturday.
  The lack of diversity among the pack of dogs came up in the conversation. I don’t think it was a big deal forty years ago, but the wheels on the bus go round and round
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018848021/dame-lynley-dodd-the-inner-workings-of-hairy-maclary
  
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  July 5, 2022 4:06pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I think ‘Donaldson’s Dairy’ must be south of Christchurch somewhere?
  
  Certainly wouldn’t find one named that in Auckland.
  
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  July 5, 2022 4:17pm
MCōs

This woman justifies that a ten year old girl who became pregnant give birth to the baby because it’s God’s plan.
https://twitter.com/msdreabuettner/status/1543338881478578177?s=21&t=z8P4LnjgSp42b-BiQA1WyQ
In Afghanistan girls schools have been closed down so that women cannot get an education.
In America some old fool on the Supreme Court is talking about restricting access to contraception.
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July 5, 2022 2:35pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  You don’t know what you’re talking about obviously.
  
  It’s not about banning or restricting anything. It’s about jurisdiction – the Supreme Court (rightly) only has limited powers and they have in the past overextended on the use of those powers. Clarence Thomas pointed out that it’s a good time to send these decisions back to State Legislatures who have the Constitutional right to make these decisions (as the democratic representatives of the people).
  
  Republicans hold 60% of State Legislatures which is why the Democrats want as much power as possible in the hands of their SCOTUS Justices, federal legislature and Govt Bureaucrats.
  
  Yes, many Republican representatives are backwards twats and sending these things back to those States will inevitably end in bad results but legally it’s what should be happening and SCOTUS are damaging democracy and not doing their jobs if they don’t.
  
  Constitutions are incredibly dangerous and frankly a bad idea by the way.
  
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  July 5, 2022 3:42pm
  - MCōs
    
    “Yes, many Republican representatives are backwards twats and sending these things back to those States will inevitably end in bad results”
    
    You think that old fool doesn’t know that?
    
    Reminds me how Pontus Pilate washed his hands of Jesus Christ and palmed off the responsibility for his execution onto the Jews.
    
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    July 5, 2022 5:01pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s all a pretence, of course. The Supreme Court’s decisions, supposedly grounded in better understanding of the constitution, just happen to align perfectly with the personal political preferences of the justices in the majority.
      
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      July 5, 2022 5:44pm
ClanMcleod

Doctor Doom is up on his favourite soapbox in the Whoreald again.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-9629-new-cases-today-24-coronavirus-related-deaths/ISR2SZZUJSNRQQMLB56MTIZ63E/

Can we organise a givealittle page and pay him to FO? Even for a couple of weeks?
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July 5, 2022 2:40pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  There were anywhere between 10K to 25K cases in NZ every day over the course of about April and May (with the virus seemingly unaware that 90% are vaccinated), and yet the sky didn’t fall in.
  
  See “Daily confirmed and probable cases” graph:
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases
  
  Moreover, the descriptor “Coronavirus related” deaths just means deaths that were not actually caused by coronavirus
  
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  July 5, 2022 3:32pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I had to write to one of the Whoreald shills who wrote an article about how we were becoming heartless in accepting all of these “covid deaths”. She wasn’t happy when I explained that without an autopsy, they were people who died while being covid positive. In basically all cases, they would have had other serious, underlying health conditions where a bad cold or flu would have caused the same outcome. As we now know from personal experience or from close association to the many people we know who have had covid, it doesn’t kill you. Sadly people die every day, but she was actively pushing a blatantly bullshit narrative. The reality was a completely different scenario to what she was attempting to portray.
    
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    July 5, 2022 4:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stop it. Herald is as good as my analogue wristwatch, which in a place I don’t know
    
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    July 5, 2022 5:46pm
  - greybeard
    
    The “reported cases” are probably about 5% of the actual number infected on any given day.
    A totally irrelevant figure.
    But these are plenty of idiots out there who think that these numbers are accurate and beyond question !
    
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    July 5, 2022 6:33pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Who in Labour would you like to see mimic the actions of Rhode-Island-Democratic-Senator Tiara Mack ?

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1544131356526948352
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July 5, 2022 3:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Classy. Politicians are such great role models.
  
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  July 5, 2022 3:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey! No Trumpers, are you still there?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/545491349667859/permalink/1069748437242145/
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July 5, 2022 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Damn, only works if you are open on FB.
  
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  July 5, 2022 3:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Try again for the No Trumpers:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1pr2ylvsmn7qn4x/Trump%20crimes.jpg?dl=0
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July 5, 2022 3:55pm
ClanMcleod

“Transpower warns of grid problems……”

We aren’t even at peak winter, it has been very mild so far.
Maybe if we all got EVs that would help? Aren’t they energy efficient or something like that?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/transpower-warns-of-grid-problems-if-the-situation-worsens/44QYMZIKLTNXZW2FXAAQI7OWNY/

Under Ardern, this country is becoming a basket case in every important metric. It is nothing to do with National, all Brenda has done is swan around the world looking for accolades and talking hot air.
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July 5, 2022 4:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And apparently she’s in Oz for the WHOLE WEEK.
  1. How are they going to find enough for her to do?
  2. Will they be totally sick of her by Friday?
  
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  July 5, 2022 4:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think special K is going to save us for a week, or days – or daze
    
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    July 5, 2022 5:49pm
- quarterpack
  
  Well next year you will have the opportunity to change the government by way of your vote ……., quit whining and focus on that, and the fact that the last time of the last election the largest opposition party was a cobbled together mess courtesy of the current MP for Te Puna
  
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  July 5, 2022 8:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun. The description is in the link Mods.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2018/09/05/jack-dorsey-hearing-protester-phone-auction-long-sot-vpx.cnn
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July 5, 2022 5:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When it ends, down on the bottom right of the screen, is that the miserable RINO Liz Cheney laughing?
  
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  July 5, 2022 5:12pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Whatever happened to equal pay for work of equal value?

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/07/cricket-nz-men-women-to-receive-same-pay-in-ground-breaking-agreement.html
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July 5, 2022 5:54pm
Maggie Pie

Having a couple of pre dinner drinkies and thinking to myself….
The 23 States-of-Amerika that don’t have the ‘Death Penalty’ must be questioning the wisdom of doing so.
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July 5, 2022 6:32pm
Maggie Pie

And in other newz…

The WIGGLES are to release their own Coloring-In Book.

– Simon Dullow (1EWES @ 6:40pm)
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July 5, 2022 6:48pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Only rainbow colours allowed?
  
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  July 6, 2022 12:29am
info@cruzpro.com

The prime minister is (trying) to tell the world that New Zealand is open to tourism. Few tourists are going to consider coming here if they have to wear masks most places, pay high prices for petrol, alcohol and tobacco with very limited duty free allowances at the border.
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