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Happy World Refugee Day!
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June 20, 2022 8:05am
- Frank the tank
  
  Is there also an illegal immigrant day as well?
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:13am
  - I remember when
    
    Every day is illegal immigrant day.
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:31am
    - Jim
      
      More so in some places in Europe right now:
      https://youtu.be/1OWZUU7_BV4
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:41am
  - Mike
    
    You are, of course, free to promote holidays for your own communities
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:46am
krazykiwi

Last week the FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) met to consider an Emergency Use Authorisation for the Pfizer injectable product on infants 6 months to 5 years.

It should surprise no one that this application was unanimously granted, 20-0 votes. I must have read 20 different pieces of analysis of the trial data and Pfizer’s submission, and their trial was an outright fraud. The best 4-minute summary is here, a young Dr Clare Craig sets out clear, rational evidence of data fraud.

I would like one of our resident vaccine enthusiasts to defend the FDA and/or Pfizer here, as you have done continuously for months.

Oh, and next week the VRBPAC will meet to consider granting Pfizer permanent approval for all future Covid injectable products, without the need for clinical trials.

Had enough of this yet? I have.
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June 20, 2022 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Justin Bieber’s face collapse is how you know the vaccine is working.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    No, no! Remember, Michael Baker told us, “correlation is not causation.” //
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dear Justin Bieber haters, I owe my life to Justin. On March 9th, 2009 I was in a coma for 6 months after a terrible car crash. One day my nurse turned the radio to Justin’s song. So I got up, and turned the radio off.
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:57am
    - Mike
      
      I always suspected that you might be a Belieber, Steve.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If it comes here take up will be miniscule. In fact I would be surprised if it is approved here for infants because the Government will look stupid. They will run a bunch of advertising, roll out Michael Baker, and take up will be 10 percent or less.
  
  For the 5 -12s, take up of the first shot was 50 percent. But only 26 percent had two shots. It would be interesting to ask parents who got their kids the first shot why they did not go back for the second. I think in many cases the kids got COVID anyway and there was no point.
  
  One ray of sunshine. The take up for 5-12 year olds, finally put to bed the assertion that the vaccine roll out was ‘racist’. Remember that clown show? And the Treaty claim?
  
  There were tens of millions spent encouraging Maori parents to vaccinate their kids. There were no barriers. Wherever you were in New Zealand, someone would get to you and vaccinate your kid in a culturally appropriate manner, give then a candy and you get a pak n save voucher.
  
  How many Maori kids are vaccinated?
  
  35.6 percent 1 shot
  12.7 percent 2 shots.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#daily
  
  Incredibly there are still radio ads encouraging vaccination. (I mean who in New Zealand by now is unaware that there is a vaccine, free to anyone, along with a nice car ride, a candy and some vouchers?) They are even telling people who have already HAD COVID that they need to wait 3 months before being vaccinated for COVID?
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:19am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    BY – more to the point, with the real world evidence now available, this is nothing less than malfeasance by those responsible for pushing and promoting these jabs. On everyone, but particularly on children. It is not a mistake, it can no longer be excused. It is criminal activity and these people should be held responsible and treated accordingly. Most people are outraged when children are abused. This is child abuse.
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:26am
    - alloytoo
      
      Indeed according to UK January data, Vaccine status in healthy under 19 year old’s makes no difference to severity of disease.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:46am
  - kevn
    
    @BY… So much money sloshing around.
    That is the key. A money grab rather than (supposedly) ‘health’.
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If only the money was really going to health. I am waiting for shoulder rotor cuff surgery and ulnar nerve (cubital tunnel) surgery. Been 8 months now.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:02am
      - stewmar
        
        Go private
        
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        June 20, 2022 3:45pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        These wait times are nothing new. When I needed rotator cuff surgery a few years ago I went private from day 1. It only took 5 months and cost $15k. I had Southern Cross …
        
        ACC said it was because I was old (65) and the fact that it showed up 2 seconds after I fell down a stairway with my arm extended landing on my open hand was totally unrelated. They had a tame orthopod who read my notes and said it was all due to age-related degeneration.
        
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        June 20, 2022 6:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Government already looks stupid and has been for quite a few years.
    The lying prick Baker was on the idiot box this morning. I don’t know what for – turned the sound off – had enough of his bullshit.
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:39am
  - Ra Henare
    
    BY, please keep up 🙂
    Its no longer a public health message
    Just a way of shoveling gobs of our cash in to media coffers (to make sure they stay on message)
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:11am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The vaccine programs, like the endless Govt road adverts are primarily aimed at doling out money to media to keep them compliant – if they get critical they lose the advertising revenue.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:21am
  - Richard
    
    Hi Benedict, our 6 & 8 year old kids have had one shot. My wife and I ‘debated’ the first shot and she won and we got the kids jabbed. Our son caught Covid about a month later and his 3 month standown ends shortly. I really don’t see the need for the 2nd now that he’s had the virus, which was extremely mild. Our daughter never tested positive but I am sure she had it at the same time, or the week prior based on symptoms. I’m hoping my wife forgets about it.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:54am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Richard, can I suggest your wife reads this post. It is analysis is Pfizer’s randomized controlled vaccine trial for children, and shows that ‘vaccinated’ kids are more likely to experience Covid-19 infection than cohort-matched unvaccinated kids.
      
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      June 20, 2022 1:42pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Accidently stumbled across “the Constant Garderner” on Netflix. It’s a film adaption of the book by the same name about pharmaceutical corruption in Africa some people think based on Pfizer’s use of the ill fated drug Trovan used there.
    
    But the same techniques used as they rewarded the people with little gifts for getting the vaccine etc. Pfizer paid out $70 million for the death of 11 kids with Trovan. Obviously in 2007 an article while you were still allowed to criticise and question pharmaceutical companies.
    
    ” But critics such as Médecins Sans Frontières, the Nobel Prize– winning international medical relief organization, charge that this was exactly the sort of study that would not have been permitted in the United States. To these critics, it was unethical to test an experimental drug orally in the midst of an epidemic. The usual treatment for meningitis in such urgent conditions would be intravenous antibiotics.”
    
    https://www.wired.com/2007/05/pfizer-clinical/
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:10am
    - mawm
      
      There’s a real life story of adding beta-HCG to the tetanus vaccine in Kenya and then having a drive to stop neonatal tetanus by vaccinating all women of child-bearing age. No consent was given for the B-HCG. B-HCG is required to maintain a pregnancy and the result of vaccinating with it is the formation of antibodies to B-HCG – so none of these women will be able to have children. Of course Billy Goats was behind this. Here’s a short movie (30min) about it.
      https://infertilitymovie.org/a-diabolical-agenda/
      
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      June 20, 2022 1:38pm
  - Sacha
    
    – and also, that vaccination offers better protection than getting the illness itself! They’re still on a natural immunity denial train.
    I heard today of a 101-year old who is the only one in his family who hasn’t had the virus. His grandson is immensely proud of him.
    
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    June 20, 2022 7:29pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    //minuscule//
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:29pm
  - Jim
    
    I suspect any such Gov approval might make HDPA (just had first child) somewhat more circumspect about the influence of big pharma. I like her tough journalism, but sadly on the C19 response, I’ve found her compliantly lame.
    
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    June 21, 2022 5:29am
- Hebe123
  
  Wow that’s a great short, clear piece for anyone who can’t be bothered with technical data or complex discussions. She does a great job of explaining it simply.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:47am
- I remember when
  
  Reuters: Low Omicron efficacy behind delay of Pfizer COVID vaccine for kids under 5 – WSJ:
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  “because its two dose regimen did not work well against the Omincron variant”
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:43am
- alloytoo
  
  Most of us have.
  
  There is currently a government advert running which is encouraging boosters and telling us that their “obsolete” vaccine is provides better immunity than previous infection.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:49am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That claim is a lie. The evidence of superior natural immune protection is overwhelming, and it has been so for >12 months.
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:36am
    - alloytoo
      
      Absolutely, it’s mindblowing misinformation.
      
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      June 20, 2022 1:34pm
- Ohm my
  
  Recently I was being hounded for the second time by the Covid Hotline ppl to get my booster. I had blocked the # but that made no difference. So I took the call to get rid of them, and made it clear I was not getting the booster and to take me off their call list. That person ended the call by attempting crude, silly manipulation – he said “if you find yourself in a life or death situation don’t hesitate to call 111”. I laughed.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:30am
- crikey
  
  KK: send the link to Medsafe – just in case they don’t see it.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:58am
- Jim
  
  Yep KK I feel the same frustration. Many months ago I sat through the 8 hour FDA zoom meeting (official FDA video available via YouTube) considering emergency authorisation of children (above 5 year olds). Based upon the industry pro vaccine evidence from weak trial data (considering risk vs. reward for healthy children) I was convinced it would never pass. However, in the final minutes of the forum, and against all reasonable expectations, including outright horror stories (of previously healthy adolescents) presented by well respected medical clinicians, the vote passed almost unanimously. I was horrified, and realised that this ‘situation’ goes much deeper than many people could ever care to ever comprehend.
  
  Sadly the FDA meeting only reminded me of a shonky local town council meeting, that despite overwhelming public outcry and contrary professional evidence, the councillors belligerently continue to push on to the contrary.
  
  IMHO such outcomes can only orchestrated by systemic corporate and political corruption.
  
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  June 20, 2022 11:12am
G152

Does the Maori version of the Pleiades include the ‘other’ star?????????
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June 20, 2022 8:10am
- Paulus
  
  The Pleiades, also known as ‘The Seven Sisters’, is the nearest star cluster to earth situated between 434 and 446 light years away.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:39am
  - 1sthomebuyer
    
    It’s also known as ‘Subaru’ in Japan, meaning to gather together. Car brand named after it obviously.
    
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    June 20, 2022 12:40pm
kowtow

I see the Media Pardy has already started its paymaster mandated promotion of Pleiades.
I can see the Wokists trying to turn it into New Zealand’s “true spiritual” festive holiday.
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June 20, 2022 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who pays for the loss of production in the Private Sector?
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:48am
  - pdm
    
    Owners and shareholders.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:16am
  - Ruawai
    
    Talking to a relative last night seems he an all other business owners are paying, he reckons it will cost him $60,000 plus loss of productivity.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:26am
    - Nickc2
      
      That $60k is added to the cost of production which is added to the wholesale price which is added to the retail price which increases GST payable which in turn increases inflation which leads to wage increases and so the circle continues.
      And all this started because a bunch of Maori Academics decided they wanted another long weekend and the Govt agreed because they wanted the Maori vote.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Key word “VOTE”
        Labour will chase a single vote, no matter the cost.
        Roll on 2023.
        
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        June 20, 2022 10:40am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Assuming his staff are on a bit more than min wage – say $30/hr (= $250/day) – $60k means he has about 250 staff. Total annual wage bill for 250 staff on $30/hr is about $15m. I can accept that every little extra cost is a pain, but this doesn’t look like a game changer to me.
      
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      June 20, 2022 6:14pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  As long as I can get my McMatariki combo meal and now’s good for a KFC Matariki pack…
  
  Kai is a central element of Matariki celebrations
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:43am
Simon

They prepped Biden for 48 hours for that 10 minute bike photo op. But Biden still managed to fall on his arse. FDR was in a wheelchair 3 months out from death when he negotiated the Bitter Lake deal with the Saudis.

Biden is who they selected to run against Russia / China alliance. Biden couldn’t even negotiate a stationary bike. GAE cant complete. Its not looking good.
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June 20, 2022 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The left still idolise him. That’s all they have.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:50am
  - mawm
    
    They are all Obamaphiles and it’s what psychologists call “transference”.
    
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    June 20, 2022 1:47pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yer, they vote Den coz Mum and Dad voted Dem and so did Grandpas and Grandmas.
      Ask them who was the last President and immediately they say ‘Trump” Ask them who the Speaker of the House was under Trump, and it’s um um ah um. Talking about Americans of course
      
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      June 20, 2022 2:59pm
- David Garrett
  
  “the Bitter Lake deal”??
  
  Mr Google appears to be unaware of it.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    Probably has something to do with the Suez Canal where one convoy of ships waits for the convoy from the other end to pass (day & night convoys).
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:27am
  - Alwynn
    
    Bitter Lake is about half way along the Suez Canal. It was where Roosevelt met Saudi King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud just after the Yalta conference.
    It was a very great success for the US as it gave them access to the Saudi oil and relegated the UK to the background in Saudi affairs.
    It is hard to imagine two people more different than the King and the President but they apparently got on marvellously.
    And of course Roosevelt was in a wheelchair. He had been since getting polio in 1921. In fact one of his presents to the King was one of his spare wheelchairs. Abdul suffered from crippling arthritis apparently and walking was agony.
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:43am
- pdm
  
  What is GAE?
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Global American Empire
    
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    June 20, 2022 2:44pm
- DimChappie
  
  What is GAE?
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good on Andrea Vance for noticing that NZ would no longer be land in-filling a Pacific Atoll and building housing for 35,000 inhabitants.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128962826/government-dumps-500m-plan-to-raise-sinking-pacific-island
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June 20, 2022 8:13am
- emmess
  
  Why doesn’t China pay for it?
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s only half a billion dollars, I don’t see what the problem is. Come on Grant, arse into gear boy!
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:25am
  - Nickc2
    
    I take it that emphasis is on your last sentence Steve?
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Exactly
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:37am
- kowtow
  
  “Its sea levels are predicted to rise by up to 0.6 feet by 2030.”
  
  Not too long to wait to disprove that bit of “science”.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How much was the sea level rise prediction in year 1980? 42 years and I have not noticed anything. Been on this Auckland Harbour longer than that.
    
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    June 20, 2022 3:03pm
Simon

Cindy ordered to attend NATO wankfest. Talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel. GAE in much worse position than previously thought, getting desperate. Very bad sign if need Cindy to turn up anywhere.
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June 20, 2022 8:14am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  She will be told to inc defence spending and start paying up.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If Trump was still President, Nat and Jaspinda would get an Invoice.
    Anyway, what the hell are we doing going to a North Atlantic Treaty Organisation meeting? Nothing to do with NZ or Oz.
    
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    June 20, 2022 10:45am
- Nickc2
  
  WTF has NATO got to do with NZ unless they’re after some lessons in virtue signaling?
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:05am
- Frank the tank
  
  Please – Just like the White House visit behind the scenes there was probably pleading once she realized Albo was going.
  
  I hope everyone is happy when our exports to China drop by a fifth and there is crickets from Europe and US on any trade deals.
  
  Also Madrid is by far a more appealing place to holiday in than Rwanda
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:51am
Frank the tank

So what is going to fall apart this week. We have had already:

1). The economy
2). The Health system
3). Law and Order

Perhaps it is the turn of our education sector……..
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June 20, 2022 8:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  the turn of our education sector
  
  Is anyone still attending school?
  
  Are any teachers reporting for duty ?
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:50am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Believe or not – in high socio economic areas yes. Lot’s of ‘rostered off’ days though……
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:14am
  - I remember when
    
    Who would ever have thought that not having to attend school on a regular basis for two years would have an ongoing effect.
    Still many businesses having degrees of the same problem so perhaps it is perfect training.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy – Chippy is happy – class sizes are down thanks to extensive truancy.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:22am
    - jon
      
      pdm..ah you very clever. I LIKE!
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:42am
  - peterwn
    
    Interfering busybodies are trying to bring down a school they do not believe in.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Happy ‘Let’s have a week of Moari Matariki’ days.
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June 20, 2022 8:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  My informant in the public service tells me that Matariki is a huge thing. Cultural events every day. Establishing Matariki ‘food traditions’. Tomorrow morning they are having an excursion to a school to sing and eat Matariki food.
  
  This morning I remarked that it was surprising she had any time to work. She shot me a look, before climbing into her Government supplied EV and gliding away. 🙂
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:30am
  - Nickc2
    
    Point of interest Benedict; if the Govt supplied EV is charged at home, how much does the Govt pay for the charge?
    
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    June 20, 2022 8:40am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Not sure. We have separate houses and she usually charges at her house or at work. She mentioned that she gets some payment. Not sure how it is calculated.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:25am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        What I do know is that all replacement cars in the government fleets are now EVs (except obvious exceptions like police). Cost is not a factor. This is because all public service agencies have “emissions targets”. So DHBs have strict “emissions targets” but no health targets. No I am not making that up. Even a flight for a public servant from Auckland to Wellington now needs to be approved at a very senior level – think Deputy CE.
        
        Odd times 🙁 My prediction is that 10 years from now we will look back on this and just shake our heads.)
        
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        June 20, 2022 9:30am
      - Nickc2
        
        Sorry Benedict, I hit the report button on your subsequent post. Add one uptick.
        
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        June 20, 2022 9:35am
      - mawm
        
        Benedict – I’ve been shaking my head for some time now. The world has gone mad.
        
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        June 20, 2022 1:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No Matariki spongy pudding for you then!
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:05am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: When is some journo with a bit of guts going to point out that while the ancient Maori were apparently aware of the appearance of the Pleiades constellation, there is zero evidence that it was ever celebrated as a New Year – which it clearly isn’t since spring is weeks away – or for that matter celebrated as a harbinger of anything else?
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:19am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      A taniwha has been dispatched to deal with your heresy.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:25am
    - James Stephenson
      
      I don’t often disagree with you David, but Spring isn’t weeks away. To those of us that hold to proper astronomical seasons, Winter runs from the solstice to the equinox, so tomorrow is the first day of Winter.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:29am
    - Nickc2
      
      You’re too kind David. The Maori God for days off will strike you . . . . . .
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:38am
    - Mike
      
      I think we can safely add Polynesian astronomy to the ever lengthening list of topics of which David Garrett is proudly ignorant.
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:01am
    - G152
      
      I think they used it as a sign to plant food crops.
      As they didn’t have a calendar
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:19am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Exactly David. I have Maori on both sides of my family – my wife’s mother’s family Ngati Rangiwewehi – Te Arawa, & my oldest uncle married into Tuhoe – he married the daughter of the Rangatira from Ruatahuna around 1908. As a kid, I used to see Aunty Ag often, and she used to explain to us pakeha nephews & nieces much about Maori culture & tradition – she was a wonderful woman & interesting to listen to. Never once did she explain Matariki.
      It is a modern construct – it was traditionally the time to plant kumara – in the same way as European cultures plant garlic & other things. No doubt it was accompanied by ritual & karakia – but the New Year part is a modern construct.
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:37am
    - My
      
      Had an old kaumaatua from Waikato tell me once that Matariki didn’t really mean much to them.. It was always too foggy to see it anyway.
      
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      June 20, 2022 2:21pm
- Opie
  
  Is it muttariki or martariki?
  
  Getting sick of nzers trying to out Maori pronounce each other by over emphasizing the a’s with u’s or ar’s.
  
  I’m not participating, last thing we need is another day off in June and more virtue signaling rubbish.
  
  This language that has no value is continually forced on us. The new mask exemptions are pretty much unreadable…
  
  As I have said before – have a vote and split the land mass
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So you have never heard of “Ngarua i wahia”?
    Melissa Stokes has.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:49am
    - Frank Hematuria
      
      Yes, and the other day I heard her renaming the Heretaunga block at Hutt Hospital “Hairy-tar-awnga”. Madness.
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Someone has told her to pronounce all of the vowels. Doesn’t work like that.
        
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        June 20, 2022 12:51pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    The funniest one is when all the woketards follow through when pronouncing Taupo.
    
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    June 20, 2022 10:55am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yeah – they make it sound like Tor Poo.
      
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      June 20, 2022 11:18am
  - JerJer
    
    Agree.
    
    We have proper holidays that actually mean something to some people.
    
    We have:
    
    Christmas
    New year
    Easter
    Anzac day
    Show day
    Queens Birthday
    Waitangi day (not sure about this one)
    
    These things actually mean something…
    
    Then we have this made up holiday based on star gazing with no real proof that culturally it means anything to Maori, or whether anyone actually cares, other than it is a day off. Worst thing is kids at school are not told about the significance of something like Anzac day, but this other virtue signaling rubbish is rammed down their throats at a school and then they are almost forced into attending a ‘celebration’ at night to chant at the stars in a language know one knows or even wants to know.
    
    Stupidity at it’s finest.
    
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    June 20, 2022 12:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Show Day? Had to use the Google Machine. Up here in the big smoke we call it Anniversary Day
      
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      June 20, 2022 3:12pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/06/swimming-governing-body-fina-votes-to-restrict-transgender-athletes-from-competing-in-women-s-competitions.html

A win for common sense.

Who would have thought we would ever need to disallow men from competing in women’s sports, because they feel like a woman.

Let’s hope all other sports follow this “bold” decision to stand up against the brave new nonsense.
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June 20, 2022 8:22am
- Hebe123
  
  Tv on in the background at my folks last night. Saw some nice mountain bike shots and said ooh put the volume on! Went down again pretty quick when a bloke came on whinging about people not accepting him as a woman in racing despite admitting he was an average rider as a bloke.
  I’ve come across this myself. We used to be in awe of the skills of one of the women in our wider circles, bigger jumps, no fear, etc. then found out she had transitioned and as a bloke was just an average male rider. Yup, males are just stronger, faster and generally have less fear. Fortunately she doesn’t race much as while she fits in well enough with the girls, nobody would accept racing with her.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:41am
- Frank the tank
  
  Poor old Gav would be rooted if all the other sports followed swimming. I expected less from FINA – pleasantly surprised they had the stones to do this.
  
  Swimming owww’teararower’ must be shitting themselves – how do they tell our sports minister when he waddles in to discuss the latest inclusivity drive.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Out of 152, 71$ voted against, but 44 still voted for.
  44 fucked up people. Must be some money in it.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Look at that typo LOL. 71% ffs
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:51am
- oldfella
  
  Opie, I’ve just read some of the hundreds of comments on the Washington Post, and SMH versions of this story.
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/06/19/fina-transgender-swimming/
  The SMH story is behind a paywall, but the comments are not.
  https://www.smh.com.au/sport/swimming/fina-votes-to-restrict-transgender-participation-from-elite-swimming-competition-20220620-p5auxt.html
  Basically, a YUGE majority saying great, a victory at last for common sense.
  Of course local media will refrain from opening their comments section because a similar response will hurt a few wokey feelings. Or some such lame excuse.
  
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  June 20, 2022 1:02pm
krazykiwi

Just learned …

Ostracism was a political process used in 5th-century BC Athens whereby those individuals considered too powerful or dangerous to the city were exiled for 10 years by popular vote. Some of the greatest names in Greek history fell victim to the process, although, as the votes were often not personal but based on policies, many were able to resume politics after they had served the statuary 10 years

What a fabulous idea. Who would New Zealand ostracise if we voted today?
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June 20, 2022 8:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The whole labour and green parties and a few of the others for being too weak to challenge the human rights abuses of the last 30 months.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:29am
- rangitoto
  
  The most notorious is the case of Themistocles who literally saved western civilisation by convincing the Athenians to spend their horde of silver on building a large navy. After the Persians were defeated, the Athenians ostracised Themistocles and he was appointed governor of Magnesia by his enemy, the Persian King Artaxerxes.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:57am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ooo! That’s just like Jacinda saving all those grandmas and then being ostracised to the UN.
    
    She’s a Greek Tragedy, all right.
    
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    June 20, 2022 6:48pm
- Mike
  
  Aristophanes’s satires are very good on these processes, and a good counterbalance to the idolatry of Athenian democracy sometimes still exhibited.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here’s me thinking it was something about putting your head in the sand……
  
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  June 20, 2022 3:17pm
Warren

The New Zealand voter needs to be worried about where Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Green MP Chloe Swarbrick are taking us and theagenda they have for change in New Zealand.
I say this because Jacinda and Labour won a massive victory in the polls for the way they were seen by Females mostly on the way they handled the Covid-19 Pandemic. So now with Jacinda Ardern championing a Co-Governance model with Maori and Chloe wanting Legal Changes to Justice System and especially drugs we the publc cannot afford any radical changes like are beening suggested or allow 17% of our population to have a 50% equal share in how New Zealand is Governed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chloe-swarbrick-govt-has-advice-on-mental-health-poverty-crime-now-it-needs-willpower/IMTQEVDCIRXF7L5ALGU35TUEAY/
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June 20, 2022 8:27am
- Nickc2
  
  It’s more than 50/50% co-governance, the Maori 50% comes complete with veto rights over the other 50%.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:51am
- Paulus
  
  Of interest I have heard the Wellington gossip in that the Labour Party President – Claire Szabo ( very highly educated, including Harvard for real) has resigned in order to take her place and be ready to be given the seat of Mt Albert later this year, when it is vacated, following tradition in this seat.
  There are always motives to these moves.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    Oh, the olde tit-for-tat deal eh? The plot thickens. Where was it again that Cindy was given an Honorary Doctorate?
    Of course, Cindy will retire to spend more time with her family (the usual pollie trick) in New York and get head-hunted for a UN job as Helen Clark and Nanaia Mahuta become the first co-presidents for life of the Maori Peoples Republic of Aotearoa.
    There ya go, history’s already been written.
    
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    June 20, 2022 10:22am
    - peterwn
      
      “Where was it again that Cindy was given an Honorary Doctorate?” – Some obscure tertiary institution across the river from Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
      
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      June 20, 2022 11:23am
      - plc
        
        Same side of the river….both in Cambridge
        
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        June 20, 2022 1:50pm
      - Alwynn
        
        Same side actually. It is only the Business School and a few other irrelevant parts of Harvard which are on the other side of the river to MIT.
        
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        June 20, 2022 2:09pm
- Ruawai
  
  Paid for by the 5% who pay the most proportionally in tax.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:57am
Rusty

Congrats to the Crusaders beating Blues. They probably should have won by 20 points.

Scott Robertson is streets ahead as the best non-international coach in world rugby both tactically and personality wise.

Yet he may not ever be ABs coach because his outward personality doesn’t fit the dour and serious attitude expected from a ABs coach.
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June 20, 2022 8:29am
- Opie
  
  A few losses to Ireland and SA again may hurry that up.
  
  I’m no crusader fan but it’s inarguable he is the best coach around.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  But didn’t the Auckland boys have lovely haircuts?
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:19am
  - pdm
    
    Scruufy is the word I would use SO.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:28am
    - pdm
      
      Scruffy.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Heard my partner saying something about how Fozzie might be better off looking at a few of the Pakeha boys from Canterbury for the AB’s.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:29am
    - RoboRob
      
      I’m a Crusaders fan but that’s not the solution. It was tried years ago when almost the entire Crusaders team was selected for the ABs. Major failure.
      
      It’s not the players it’s the team environment (the coaching is obviously a part of that too). This is no secret, the Crusaders have been open about it for years.
      
      Successful AB coaches have managed to make a similar environment with the ABs. I don’t have high hopes for the current coaching team however.
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:56am
  - Mike H S
    
    Sadly, as an Auckland supporter, I have to agree with you. I have often thought that they should all be given a short back and sides and told to start focusing on rugby and not their sex appeal.
    
    As my wife says, one or two look like they are toilet brushes.
    
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    June 20, 2022 1:58pm
- RoboRob
  
  Was commenting on this earlier today. Why is it a ‘tradition’ that ABs coaches cannot be happy when their team scores. It’s not Fking poker guys.
  
  There are some major coaching / selection issues with the ABs that are going to come home to roost this year. Hopefully there is enough time to turn it around before the WRC next year. Perhaps Razor as ABs coach post next years WRC loss. Although likely the boys a RNZ will just roll the coaching team over has they have done for decades.
  
  Crusaders fan
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:49am
- 103PapPap
  
  The Blues easily won the ‘trendy haircuts’ competition.
  Two ‘gingas’ in one team?
  Photo of Sam Whitelock on Stuff celebrating after victory – no strapping on either thumb. Sucked in much?
  Lots of skinny white boys in Crusaders.
  Anyone notice the Crusaders (rookie) replacement props pummel the Blues (All Black) replacement props?
  Was Akira Ione playing? Not sighted during first 60 minutes.
  
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  June 20, 2022 11:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Christmas Calendar coming out – only for Auckland
    
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    June 20, 2022 3:25pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf when I heard this snippet from the Court reporter…..

“Testifying earlier this week, the defendant described the now-adult witness as a liar and a ‘tease’, who was using him to get a head”

LOL!!

https://newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/influencer-trial-in-split-verdict-jury-convicts-man-of-sex-violation-of-teens/
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June 20, 2022 8:32am
artemisia

With the real possibility of a different government next year, it will be important for it to tap into good input from the wider community and not just the usual suspects. Unless the recent relentless parade of academic experts is considered worth the (actual) money.

A suggestion for such a new government. Look at Kiwiblog posters. There are some excellent contributors, seems many from the STEM community, with good ideas, research and reasoned arguments. Make a list, National/ACT. How about it?

Could be closed threads somewhere and posters could remain anonymous, critical thinking being more important than identity.
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June 20, 2022 8:38am
ClanMcleod

Local gps being paid up to 1400 dollars an HOUR to help take pressure off the hospitals.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/06/middlemore-s-dhb-pay-local-gps-up-to-1400-an-hour-to-help-take-pressure-off-emergency-department.html

As Voices for Freedom said, “we wonder what would happen if they simply re-employed all the mandated staff unnecessarily fired for not taking the juice?”

Maybe the hospitals wouldn’t have been under quite so much pressure?
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June 20, 2022 8:45am
- Hebe123
  
  Had to take my dad to the hospital last night in an ambo. We called 111 with a “we don’t think it’s urgent but it’s not good” and the paramedics were there (small town) in 5-7 mins. Took him through to the regional hospital and was seen and treated in ED within 90 mins of arrival. They certainly didn’t appear very busy there! In contrast to all we are hearing it appears we were very lucky.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:51am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Most of the delays in treating people in large hospitals is caused by paperwork and safety procedures. Staff have to spend hours filling in forms and going through barely justified time consuming processes instead of doing doctoring and nursing.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:53am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yup been to hospital a bit lately (not for me). Time spent with the doctor in ER was shorter than the time it took him to fill out the release papaerwork. In ED for ~8hrs, probably 10mins with an actual doctor, the rest waiting.
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:59am
      - Biscuit
        
        Similar experiences here…
        
        Ambulance – Great
        Actual doctoring/Nursing – Great
        Administration – Erm
        
        [My late Dad, in his last years, regularly needed Emergency hospital visits. Every time that happened I had to fill out a yellow form asking all of the questions above – and more – and each and every time I felt like yelling ‘I first gave you all this info two years ago. And at regular intervals thereafter. Nowt has changed. Can’t you just do a print-out from your computer?]
        
        [But you all know me: I never complain… ]
        
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        June 20, 2022 1:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      As I have said many times, Those on the floor at North Shore Hospital (Doctors, Nurses, Orderlies, Cleaners etc) in ED and ICU work their arses off.
      Once Admin get your details, it is not so good. I know it is detail and safety, but we are in the Electronic Age. Everything is on a database on the servers. This is not 1970s.
      
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      June 20, 2022 3:33pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Dont worry. Labour to the rescue…reorganizing the Health system. More staff less paperwork /sarc
        
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        June 20, 2022 6:17pm
  - Jim
    
    Hebe123, best get a lottery ticket and see if you’re still on a winning streak.
    
    I can’t speak for the ambo response, but I know someone who works in an ED and even a 6 hour wait is considered quick. Try double or sometimes trembling it, as that’s too often a typical experience.
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trembling gets medical people’s attention quick!//
      
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      June 20, 2022 3:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What is Andrew Little doing about this? The buck stops at him.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:22am
  - pdm
    
    SO – not Andrew – thd Buck has never stopped with him going back to Pike River.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Someone needs to point out the job terms and conditions to him.
      He must think that means avoid responsibility at all times. Useless prick.
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:59am
- rjay
  
  Interestingly the CEO of Counties Manakau is now CEO of the National Health Authority. Clearly $$$ are not an issue in South Auckland so hope she has the same skills for NZ.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:37am
ClanMcleod

OffGuardian with an excellent piece regarding the show trial circus currently underway in the US re the January 6th “insurrection”. Anyone with interest in US politics will appreciate this.

“January 6: The show trial, the movie…and Liz Cheney’s dyspepsia

Not every piece of political theater openly presents itself as political theater. But these aren’t ordinary times, heaven knows – and the show trial that goes under the popular name “the January 6 Committee” has been nothing if not consistently over the top.”

https://off-guardian.org/2022/06/19/january-6-the-show-trial-the-movie-and-liz-cheneys-dyspepsia/
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June 20, 2022 9:00am
- peterwn
  
  Yes, USA democracy was at very serious risk on 6 January just as NZ democracy will be at very serious risk if Labour wins the 2023 election.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:05am
  - crikey
    
    peterwn: NZ democracy is ALREADY at very serious risk.
    
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    June 20, 2022 12:44pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Crisis? There’s no crisis. We plan to borrow enough to pay off the debt completely!
      JA//
      
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      June 20, 2022 3:57pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Explain exactly how “USA democracy was at very serious risk on 6 January”? It is debatable whether the US is even still a functioning democracy given the dubious 2020 election, but, assuming that it is, if it were actually at risk in January 2021, you would expect that one of the largest federal investigations in history would have come up with some pretty serious indictments of the participants. Yet, they haven’t, so it’s very difficult indeed to credibly make and sustain the claim you are making.
    
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    June 20, 2022 12:47pm
    - Mike
      
      Shouldn’t you be more worried about the prospect that Russia might one day become a democracy?
      
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      June 20, 2022 1:40pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        When you ignore the point and change the topic like that, it just indicates that I am right.
        
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        June 20, 2022 3:04pm
    - stiff cheese
      
      Where’s the indictment of Ray Epps?
      
      Caught on video the night before, telling a crowd they would have to enter the Capitol building tomorrow … then the next day, he was spotted whispering something into the ear of a guy who, moments later, lunges forward and violently breaches the Capitol barricade.
      
      If anyone needs an indictment it’s Ray Epps.
      Of course, those of us paying attention, have figured out he was working for the FBI.
      Some kind of informant or provocateur, I would say.
      Whether he was getting paid or volunteered to do it as a MAGA-hater, is an open question.
      
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      June 20, 2022 2:18pm
- Ra Henare
  
  JUst one quibble.
  Congress can not hold “trials””. Part of the American system 🙂
  Congress makes laws, Judiciary interprets laws(Trials)>
  Executive is supposed to execute Congress laws and systems.
  
  So Congress(The House only at this time) is doing an investigation as to the causes.
  
  Just saying
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:19am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Fair comments, but it is still a fake and it is still a circus.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All theatre, aimed at Trump 2024.
    
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    June 20, 2022 10:01am
    - RoboRob
      
      Apparently Dem research has shown that as their policy is failing, the economy sucks and Biden has Alzheimer’s, the best way to get their vote out is to attack Trump. ‘No joke’ to steal a line from Biden.
      
      Even with Trump not in government and currently not running (the next election is still 3yrs away ffs), attacks on Trump are the best way to get the voters out.
      
      As I’ve said before. The best thing for republicans would be for Trump to not stand and to announce it now. That would leave them with nothing.
      
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      June 20, 2022 11:05am
      - H. Upmann
        
        It reminds me of the attacks, almost daily, on National and Luxon. I am no fan of Luxon at all but he is is obviously generating fear amongst the corrupt bought and paid for media.
        
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        June 20, 2022 11:36am
      - leoj
        
        Na, keep the Dems foaming at the mouth. It’s their best feature.
        
        Don will run and win with De Santis as VP then GOP holding the WH in 28 and 32.
        
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        June 20, 2022 12:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If Trump did that, all of the RINOs would show their true colours
        
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        June 20, 2022 12:54pm
    - mawm
      
      Steve – they are trying to find a way to criminally indict and gaol Trump to prevent him from being able to run because without cheating they know they don’t have a hope in hell of winning.
      
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      June 20, 2022 2:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    AOC said she was going to make and pass new laws once she was Inaugurated into Congress
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:04am
- Frank the tank
  
  Will Garland be prepared to risk civil war by trying to prosecute Trumpy.
  
  So far he is guilty of being an ass, denying an election result with no concrete evidence to suggest otherwise and calling people names.
  
  Hillary first then Merick?
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:41am
I remember when

Sunday Star-Times: Plea to businesses: Don’t use Matariki to leverage sales:
Oh, you mean like Christmas.
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June 20, 2022 9:01am
- Frank the tank
  
  So no Maori New Years Bucket at KFC then?
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:57am
I remember when

“Very hard to read into by-election results says Ardern after Labour’s Tauranga loss:

Conspiracy theory?
Conspiracy result perhaps.
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June 20, 2022 9:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour did very well compared to previous Elections.
  Question to Jaspinda, If you and Tinetti knew Labour was going to lose anyway, why did you just not put up a candidate?
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:05am
  - peterwn
    
    But there was no Green candidate so the Green votes would have gone to Labour.
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That makes the loss even worse. If there were Greens, Tinetti would have got less than 4000.
      Jaspinda’s response is therefore beyond pathetic!
      
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      June 20, 2022 4:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    Are you thinking of National’s non appearance in the Mt Albert by election?
    In both cases a former leader was being replaced in a seat that was never going to switch parties.
    The depressing outcome of the Tauranga formality was the number of vote the flakey Outdoors Party picked up.
    
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    June 20, 2022 2:32pm
    - Mike
      
      The Covid cranks have a big overlap with the anti-1080 ctowd (and every other crackpot idea).
      
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      June 20, 2022 4:58pm
Nickc2

It was always going to be a Show Piece/Trial when the Dems put a RINO in charge of it.
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June 20, 2022 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cheney and Kinzinger are goneburgers in 2024. Both RINOs.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:12am
  - Frank the tank
    
    From all accounts Cheney is trailing her opponent by 40 points in polls.
    
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    June 20, 2022 10:58am
    - Mike
      
      For the GOP, anything but unquestioning fealty to Trumpy is the ultimate sin.
      
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      June 20, 2022 12:31pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Another leftie that all of a sudden loves the warmonger’s daughter.
        
        Who woudda guessed Mikey. Tell me what are the career prospects of a Labour candidate than opposes our Dear Leader……
        
        Louisa Wall says hold her beer.
        
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        June 20, 2022 1:05pm
      - MCōs
        
        There’s an awful lot of wild eyed nonsense in those three sentences, Frank.
        
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        June 20, 2022 2:22pm
      - mawm
        
        You are probably confusing conservatives with the GOP. The GOP were party to the election fraud and certification of the election.
        
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        June 20, 2022 2:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You got that from a Jaspinda work group/think tank right Mike?
        
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        June 20, 2022 4:07pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

With the eyes of Tawhirimatea upon his people this week……is it likely well see far fewer gang-shootings and ram-raids during the lead up to Matariki?

Asking for a friend.
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June 20, 2022 9:22am
- Frank the tank
  
  I think you’ll find a lot of them are also from the PI communities and no I don’t think it will make a lick of difference as the interlectards will be the ones celebrating Maori New Years and we know that those are predominantly white, middle class and cyclists.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:39am
  - alloytoo
    
    I’ll be celebrating Winter Solstice trying to reconnect with my Viking blood……sacrificing a virgin to Fenris the Wolf…..
    
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    June 20, 2022 1:53pm
- Nickc2
  
  That’s rather racist and culturally insensitive Maggie.//
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:02am
- kowtow
  
  Holidays see a rise in crime , but then the scrotes don’t go to skule anymore anyway so……..
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Like being retired? Woke up this morning and did not know it was Tuesday until that silly Breakfast Show came on. Lovely – John fucking Campbell again!
    
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    June 20, 2022 4:19pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Think again Steve —–Tuesday ???? 😆
      
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      June 20, 2022 4:59pm
ClanMcleod

Bad Cattitude. Nails it yet again.

1) – mRNA vaccines have failed on efficacy, are likely making covid spread and recurrence worse, and have a side effect profile orders of magnitude greater than any other vaccine.

2) – this is rapidly becoming too big to hide and the data will out. the vaccinated failing to develop natural immunity and piling on side effects (many of them severe and debilitating, even deadly) with every round of boosters is going to simply be too obvious to miss. you can tell people it’s long covid, but the actuaries at insurers and med centers are going to see the truth. and so will the citizenry.

3) – this will leak and momentum will build around it through advocacy groups, patient support, and insurers looking to be compensated for mounting losses. even if the US will not do the work, other countries will, especially the socialized health systems. some are already banning some of these vaccines in younger patients. class action lawyers are already salivating and potential plaintiffs are multiplying like bunnies in springtime.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/pfossible-pfizer-pfutures-and-the

Interesting couple of years coming up. What will happen next to distract us from this epic fraud and failure? Racial division? Russia dunnit? Global famine? Domestic “terrorism”? “Hate speech” legislation? All of the above?
The libtards are getting hysterical, be afraid, be very afraid.
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June 20, 2022 9:29am
- mawm
  
  WWIII is inching closer. Lithuania has been persuaded to stop the transit of Russian goods to Kaliningrad, home to the Russian Navy’s Baltic Fleet and half a million Russians. Who did the persuading? I don’t know but the US and NATO are trying to push Russia into a war and Russia will not like this.
  
  Never fear, NATO has asked Jacinda for help so expect our airforce to be dispatched shortly.
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:41pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Time for an airlift?
    
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    June 20, 2022 7:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder who is waiting in the wings for the Labour Party President position

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300616407/labour-party-president-claire-szab-to-stand-down-in-november
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June 20, 2022 9:34am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Who would want the poisoned chalice.
  
  More important what is she lining up for??? Mt Albert 2023???
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:41am
  - rockape
    
    I wouldn’t be the least surprise that that is the aim of the reshuffle next year. Jacinda out and her in as leader or deputy.
    
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    June 20, 2022 9:49am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Nah. Maybe parachuted into Mt Albert but definitely not leader…….yet.
      
      The Tainui princess has her eye on that prize.
      
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      June 20, 2022 1:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You can take that to the BANK!
        Any objections?? You are racist!!
        
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        June 20, 2022 4:39pm
    - MCōs
      
      That’s wild speculation.
      
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      June 20, 2022 2:17pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Another rat leaving the sinking ship. Ardern is the captain of the Titanic. Labour will take a decade at least to recover from the damage she has caused. Although it will be great to see the back of her, it isn’t good for democracy because we will be without any real political opposition and that is always dangerous.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Titanic was an experimental submarine. Not many know that – Classified Information/
    
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    June 20, 2022 10:15am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      SO – I see you’re on the Brenda comms “truth” team…..!!
      
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      June 20, 2022 10:28am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Labour may take a decade, but how long will it take NZ to recover?
    
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    June 20, 2022 12:20pm
- peterwn
  
  And the last line “This is a Public Interest Journalism funded role through NZ On Air”
  Why does this warrant a taxpayer subsidy especially as the journo would have been handed the story on a plate?
  Seems a headline that many would want to see (including some Kiwibloggers) would be ‘Peter Goodfellow to Stand Down’.
  
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  June 20, 2022 11:10am
- greybeard
  
  I see from Wikipedia that Claire Szabo speaks fluent Hungarian.
  So we will probably understand more of what she says in Hungarian than what we do when Cindy speaks.
  
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  June 20, 2022 12:05pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Maybe she’s a George Soros plant. 😆
    
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    June 20, 2022 12:12pm
  - chukar
    
    GB
    Hungarian might be easier to understand and definitely a lot more precise than Te Reo!
    
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    June 20, 2022 1:57pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Hungarian is mother tongue of many of smartest people in history (lots of ashkenazic jews)
      
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      June 20, 2022 4:58pm
- Nickc2
  
  Phil Twyford!
  
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  June 20, 2022 1:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mike! Mike from Kiwiblog, you know that Blog he spends all day on, and gets paid for it!
  You go Mike you good thing!!
  
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  June 20, 2022 4:44pm
  - Mike
    
    There was I thinking Kiwiblog must be your retirement job, Steve.
    
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    June 20, 2022 5:00pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZCWcSESfrQ

It is going to be a long winter for Europe.

Didn’t Europe think of this scenario while putting ineffective sanctions on Russia? Ukraine was a gone case the moment Russia attacked it in Feb. but how could European nations impose sanctions on Russia, while depending upon Russian gas and oil. [4:20]
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June 20, 2022 9:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Or as a “conspiracy theorist” might look at it. Is this all part of the “great reset” to crash the current system, collapse the food supply and compel us all to go “green”, switch to EVs, get rid of meat and start eating bugs?
  It’s been their wet dream for quite some time and their ambitions are all in the public domain. The motive is their, the means? Who knows, but their is certainly some weird shit happening in our western democracies in the last few years. Covid being the biggest bit of weird shit, but plenty of other weird shit that seems to be conveniently pushing us to the goals of the “great reset” and green new deal.
  
  I’ll take my foil hat off now.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:58am
  - Jim
    
    The grip of corporate technocracy is getting stronger, but be assured, it’s only done to keep us safe.//
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:31am
  - curry4me
    
    I think its more a case of cockup than conspiracy.
    
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    June 20, 2022 6:17pm
- MCōs
  
  Are you suggesting we should appease Russia because we all know where that policy goes?
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:15pm
  - mawm
    
    Yes. All this sh*t has been caused by the Americans and their European handmaidens. Putin is probably the only adult in the room.
    
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    June 20, 2022 2:47pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SRK3Bpi_s

Carl Bromley. Mayor for a Free Christchurch.

If Carl gets to be Mayor, or a councillor, he’d like to emphasise the Bill of Rights at a local level. [5:34]
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June 20, 2022 9:45am
I remember when

Incidentally, has anyone seen any totals for the number of $100 watermelons sold?
How much $52.99 garlic did Countdown have to ‘mark down’ to enable clearance?
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June 20, 2022 9:46am
- kowtow
  
  Pak N Sav garlic is in the region of $ 36 a kilo while Countdown is at about $53 .
  
  Presumably from the same suppliers.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:06am
- Maggie Pie
  
  A lot of people think those $100 Watermelons from Farro’s sound expensive.
  In fact that worked out at only $10 per kg which is really good value this time of the year.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:39am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Yet people will spend 70-80 bucks for tiny chickens doused in fat and grease at KFC and not bat an eyelid. Some beneficiaries will complete 30km round trips for this.
    
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    June 20, 2022 11:04am
    - Jim
      
      Agree, but they’re more likely to use Uber Eats now.
      
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      June 20, 2022 11:39am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    $10 for a litre of slightly flavoured water seems pretty expensive.
    
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    June 20, 2022 1:09pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmFlFoKGMgQ

Candace Owens Shuts Down Rep Ted Lieu At Congressional Hearing.

Candace Owens Shuts Down Race-Baiting Liberals at Congressional Hearing. Calling out leftists for their lies in front of their face is what Candice does best. They are so smug. Always putting things out of context. So satisfying. [8:41]
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June 20, 2022 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That exchange was from April 2019. Brilliant, at 6.50 onwards she put Chairman Nadler in his place. An obnoxious bit of shit.
  She stands her ground – will make a brilliant VPOTUS one day.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:30am
  - Mike
    
    Do you think she needs some political experience first, or is the Trump model of electing a reality TV actor or other ‘celebrity’ now the preferred pattern?
    
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    June 20, 2022 10:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Political experience” You mean learning to lie like the Dems? She is on the other side
      
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      June 20, 2022 11:14am
      - Mike
        
        Talking of ideal republicans. Do you think they would benefit from experience in a state or federal elected office before being catapulted into a senior executive role?
        
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        June 20, 2022 11:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I think she knows enough Mike. Throw her in at the deep end and she will cope. Candace has been following Politics for a while.
        Why don’t you read her book ‘Blackout’? The last chapter ‘On Slavery’ is very good.
        
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        June 20, 2022 1:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        After this I can not reply, but is seems Mike is angry, so he will digress or take time out in his basement.
        Did you you find out about the book from Candace Owens? or did you just move on and troll some more?
        Girls and boys, Mike is the best TROLL – second to Donald John Trump.
        Baaaaaa
        
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        June 20, 2022 5:01pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I laugh when people derisively characterise Trump as a “reality TV actor” when his principle claim to fame is being a billionaire property developer, principally in the Manhattan market. I can’t imagine why they downplay that fact. Either way, he has been incredibly successful in any endeavour he has undertaken, unlike 99.99% of the people who love to criticise him.
      
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      June 20, 2022 12:36pm
      - Mike
        
        He inherited vast wealth and ran a string of failed businesses, one at least closed by the courts, with two bankruptcies. His greatest business success was a TV show where he played a moron’s idea of an actual tycoon.
        You folks from St Petersburg know all this, of course, but need to keep repeating your scripts.
        
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        June 20, 2022 1:46pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Gee you’re bitter. If Trump is such a loser, why does he obviously get under your skin so much? Then again, you’ve shown yourself to be a rabidly intolerant xenophobe: Russian operatives active on foreign blogs, American billionaires with supermodel wives … we all look the same to you anyway, don’t we? Maybe KB could be more discerning when it comes to allowing commenters with Russian-sounding names. More comment space available for your own kind.
        
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        June 20, 2022 3:14pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Mostly true. And a blow hard, but in spite of his buffoonery did a better job of big policy decisions and working for US interests rather than oligarchs and elites than Obama or Biden,
        
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        June 20, 2022 4:11pm
      - quarterpack
        
        Perhaps best for the world that he failed in his last major endeavor, which was to overturn a legitimate election result by violent insurrection
        
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        June 20, 2022 5:29pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes she’d make a good Sec of HUD in Trumps cabinet. Then VP to DeSantis.
    
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    June 20, 2022 6:19pm
Bridgenag

Don’t know whether Peter Williams speech has been posted… Long but excellent One to send to the cindyite daughters

https://youtu.be/yZrmt-ooFO8
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June 20, 2022 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The media don’t love him no more!
  Will watch later.
  
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  June 20, 2022 10:33am
- zulumonster
  
  A good listen. He succinctly states the 3 reasons he believes he will never work in NZ Media again:
  
  1/ his age
  2/ his race
  3/ his gender
  
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  June 20, 2022 1:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nice to hear his real views – not scripted comments like Jaspinda has!
    
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    June 20, 2022 5:03pm
- mawm
  
  Thank you for posting the link. It is in everybody’s interest to give it a listen.
  
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  June 20, 2022 3:30pm
mandk

Has Ardern unfriended Stephen Colbert yet for his stupid and irresponsible act last week?

Imagine how it could have turned out, if the pranksters had run into twitchy security guards.
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June 20, 2022 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes, many times, because Colbert has many accounts, Jaspinda has one. I am banned from that, but banning means you are not my kind
  
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  June 20, 2022 5:07pm
ClanMcleod

Babylon Bee video.

“Motorcyclist Who Identifies As Bicyclist Sets Cycling World Record”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvesqJP1e4&t=212s

Very funny and appropriate. Satire, gotta love it!
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June 20, 2022 10:14am
leoj

Best line in Peter Williams’ 3 Waters speech:

Chief fence sitter, Chris Luxon, finally spoke out about 3 Waters.

te reo is no leader. Good at woke though.
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June 20, 2022 10:15am
Benedict Yu

It is worth reading this to put New Zealand’s greenhouse emissions in perspective. Global emissions dropped in 2020 for obvious reasons. Now they are on the up again, driven by developing countries.

China is investing heavily in renewables. But it is also investing in coal:

“Despite China’s rapid growth in generation from renewables, output from coal-fired power plants has increased by 330 TWh, or nearly 7%, between 2019 and 2021.”

That is an increase over 2 years of 330,000 Gigawatt hours from coal….that is just the INCREASE, not the total.

So just the increase in coal fired power over 2 years in China is equal to 66 times the annual output of the Huntly power station.

https://www.iea.org/reports/global-energy-review-2021/co2-emissions

It just brings home the absolute futility of what we are attempting.
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June 20, 2022 10:33am
- Inandout
  
  BY, Oz gets around 80% of its electricity through coal or gas because the supply is constant and not dependant on ‘renewables’. I watched a video of some chap using the Ghan train from South Australia to the top. I was amused by one bit of footage through the carriage window showed a cluster of wind turbines..motionless.
  
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  June 20, 2022 11:56am
- Mike
  
  It might not be possible to agree enforceable restrictions on the desire to waste as much precious fossil fuels as possible by burning them to generate electricity.
  But given that enforceable agreements are probably the best ofthe poor options available, it doesn’t help anyone for a rich country to say it won’t do anything because its emissions are relatively tiny.
  
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  June 20, 2022 11:58am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    It helps all the poor people in the rich country.
    
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    June 20, 2022 1:07pm
Yvette

Incoming Speaker Rurawhe wants his office to be bilingual
… After serving as the chair of his iwi Ngāti Apa for 10 years and hosing [sic] countless hui, Rurawhe said: “I’d like to bring some of those strategies… I could apply inside the chamber.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/20/incoming-speaker-rurawhe-wants-his-office-to-be-bilingual/

Is Incoming Speaker Adrian Rurawhe to follow in Trevor’s footsteps? What is his choice of music like?
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June 20, 2022 12:03pm
- oldfella
  
  Yvette: will he give his rulings in the house in two languages with him essentially translating himself as he goes along?
  
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  June 20, 2022 1:05pm
Surely Knott

Hiking is now racist according to the Off Guardian. To exclude people from the centre of the forest in NZ we came up with Phytopthora Agathadicida and pretended it was a new pathogen (it isn’t and genetic testing shows that it is centuries old) and that it would kill Kauri and they would be extinct. (isn’t happening – was found on great barrier in the 1970’s where they are thriving and the dieback area is richly regenerating with many species including Kauri).

But overseas it looks like they plan to keep you out of the forest by saying that hiking and nature is racist, and so are farmers markets.

“according to Vice…
White Nationalists Want to Reclaim Nature as a Safe Space for Racists” “”The racist roots of national parks in America has made them an attraction to white supremacists over the years.”

There are three ways they push us towards the new way they want us to live 1. Manipulated “science” that is not allowed to be questioned. 2. Name calling Eg. Terf, racist, conspiracy theorist, antivaxxer. 3. New definitions and redefining words.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/06/19/this-week-in-the-new-normal-34/?fbclid=IwAR1UZkNtsaYRUwr1aQ5Ro4di3VCjquyGfacJw_uzv6ZzSNlDvB896aqf948
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June 20, 2022 12:16pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Complete insanity and it is pervading everything everywhere. I read recently, if just 10% of people in NZ were to get an EV the electricity grid would collapse or we would have to build 4 new coal fired power stations. These zealots are certifiable.
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:10pm
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    At least the Marsden refinery won’t be using as much electricty to refine petrol, diesel and avgas since they now import refined products. That will help a bit.
    
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    June 20, 2022 4:35pm
- than
  
  Greens/environmentalists are the real racists?
  
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  June 20, 2022 6:36pm
rouppe

This guy Alan Sutherland is being promoted to us all here as having reformed Scotland’s water. They specifically say “Scottish version of the Three Waters reforms”.

I contacted a matter who lives in Scotland and asked what he knew of him.

The answer was, “never heard of him” and “never heard of the organisation”.

That’s interesting….
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June 20, 2022 12:30pm
- kowtow
  
  We copied their NCEA , looka where that got edicasion.
  
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  June 20, 2022 1:34pm
  - rockape
    
    You also copied their Scottish Vocational Qualifications called NZQAs here. Designed by my big sister!
    
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    June 20, 2022 3:11pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It’s not getting any better
      
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      June 20, 2022 9:07pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Water was privatised in England and Wales more than 30 years ago and has had the entirely predictable effect of a massive improvement in the quality, volume and treatment of water in those two countries.
  
  Scotland elected not to privatise water, with the entirely predictable outcome that the infrastructure has become worse, along with the quality, volume and treatment of water – and remember this is in the UK country with the highest average rainfall.
  
  Also it pays to bear in mind that 3 waters in Scotland is not the same as here – one of their waters is a single malt and another is the piss they like to take out of anyone English.
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=567385621447771
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June 20, 2022 12:45pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Lent right and fell on his face before Progessives could rescue him. If it weren’t for Putin and Xi we could laugh instead of worrying.
  
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  June 20, 2022 1:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden’s knowledge.
https://www.facebook.com/christy.botes/videos/326919479248248/
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June 20, 2022 1:05pm
Chris Nisbet

It seems pretty clear that the busy hospitals will be used as the reason for keeping us in orange next week, although Jacinda admits they’re not busy because of covid, but because of other nasties.
Jacinda also wants us to keep wearing masks in supermarkets and wherever else they apparently work.
I have heard Hipkins tell us that masks make a “massive difference”, others say they reduce the spread of covid by 90%, or 30%, or that we should wear them just in case they help, or even simply because it helps other people feel safe.
So, two things really…
1) Is this traffic light system something that is covid specific, or can they inflict it on us for any old reason? Didn’t it require special legislation to be passed?
2) Is there _any_ decent study _anywhere_ that I can read that tells me that masks make a “massive difference”, reduce spread of covid by 90%, or even 30%?
I was at Countdown in Meadowlands this morning, where people have been quite compliant in the mask department, but even there I’m starting to see the old(er) folk not wearing masks. If even they are waking up, how much longer can this nonsense go on?
(formerly Niz)
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June 20, 2022 1:28pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  1) Now that the legislation has been passed, Dear Leader and her ilk seem to be somewhat reluctant to unwind their sweeping powers – as was accurately predicted by everyone with a passing interest in history.
  
  2) I can absolutely assure you that masks do in fact “make a massive difference” to Dear Leader’s ability to control a large chunk of the population, along with a relentless diet of fear, propaganda, dodgy modelling, and lies.
  
  Anything else I can help you with? 🙂
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:40pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “Busy hospitals…”
  
  … and/or under-resourced hospitals after 518 nurses were stood down due to Covid vaccine mandates
  
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  June 20, 2022 3:32pm
- mawm
  
  This is the one always quoted by the mask enthusiasts – https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069
  
  Professor Norman Fenton, a British mathematician and Professor of Risk Information Management at Queen Mary University of London, has disputed the results in this letter –
  https://www.normanfenton.com/post/the-bangladesh-mask-study-provides-no-evidence-that-masks-reduce-covid-19-infection
  
  You need to read the attached report –
  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360320982_The_Bangladesh_Mask_study_a_Bayesian_perspective?channel=doi&linkId=62703fd83a23744a725db627&showFulltext=true
  
  You are welcome.
  
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  June 20, 2022 3:48pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Ta. Yep, I’d heard of that one, and it’s problems.
    Like I say, I’d like to see a study that determines they make a “massive difference”, or reduce transmission by 90%, or even 30%, but I think they’re just figments of some politician’s imagination.
    Anecdotal evidence (e.g. what happened after Texas stopped wearing them (I.e. nothing), drawing comment from Biden that it was a Neanderthal move) suggests that they’re basically useless, at least in terms of reducing the spread of disease.
    Shame on the government for lying to us about them.
    
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    June 20, 2022 5:42pm
krazykiwi

Anyone short insurers? If you are you’re on a winner.

Fifth largest life insurance company in the US paid out 163% more for deaths of working people ages 18-64 in 2021 – Total claims/benefits up $6 BILLION

Company cites “non-pandemic-related morbidity” and “unusual claims adjustments” in explanation of losses from group life insurance business: Stock falling, replaces CEO

Five months after breaking the story of the CEO of One America insurance company saying deaths among working people ages 18-64 were up 40% in the third quarter of 2021, I can report that a much larger life insurance company, Lincoln National, reported a 163% increase in death benefits paid out under its group life insurance policies in 2021.

This is according to the annual statements filed with state insurance departments — statements that were provided exclusively to Crossroads Report in response to public records requests.

The reports show a more extreme situation than the 40% increase in deaths in the third quarter of 2021 that was cited in late December by One America CEO Scott Davison — an increase that he said was industry-wide and that he described at the time as “unheard of” and “huge, huge numbers” and the highest death rates that have ever been seen in the history of the life insurance business.
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June 20, 2022 1:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Cue Michael Baker and Brenda. “Correlation is not causation. Put another mask on.”
  The evidence is beyond dispute, it is being actively suppressed though. All of the problems you are talking about are now being blamed on ludicrous things. “Long covid” is a nonsense but it is being used as the reason for all of the issues we are seeing, especially among young people.
  These are vaccine injuries, end of story.
  Ardern and her band of “experts” have death and injury on their hands on a grand scale.
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:19pm
  - mawm
    
    Those are only the deaths accounted for. I would like to see the payouts for the dreaded diseases – cancers, heart disease and the neurodegenerative diseases.
    
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    June 20, 2022 4:02pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      There is a searchable UK dataset here. Adjust date range to 1-Jan-22 to today, and then select cause of death. The heart-related excess deaths look worthy of official investigation.
      
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      June 20, 2022 6:41pm
      - mawm
        
        I think the American insurance figures will tell the true tale. The UK data set, although better than the American VAERS, is incomplete. Thanks for the link.
        
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        June 20, 2022 7:12pm
- Matt Long
  
  Something Safe and Effective at work there. Interesting my experience in agriculture is that small trials seem to suit marketers, whereas Global as in whole of business results show up opposite results on bottom lines.
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:26pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Probably just a coincidence…..
  
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  June 20, 2022 2:33pm
Maggie Pie

Fleur from tennis popped in earlier to say hello.
She was saying they went up to the BoI on the weekend to check out their beach-place. Wanted to make sure it was well secured before Matariki.

Apparently, her hubby reckons that anybody who lives in one of those ludicrous ‘Tiny Homes’ should be deported.
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June 20, 2022 1:59pm
Mike H S

Can anyone comment on the quality of news from Scoop? Asking for a friend – genuinely, as I have not had any experience with the said news outlet.
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June 20, 2022 2:06pm
Tauhei Notts

Over the past 16 days the odds have changed in the USA, well, according to my Pommie bookie.
Trump out from $3.50 to $3.75. Biden out from $5.50 to $6, and De Santis in from 7 to 6.
It is not the sort of change that would make you fall off a bicycle.
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June 20, 2022 2:42pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Something for James and the rest of the green LGBQT party to ponder…

https://twitter.com/MrPotatoheadPHD/status/1538336366261673984
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June 20, 2022 2:45pm
JerJer

This guy can feel smug for now.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/300617511/the-fastest-fish-and-chip-wrapper-in-the-world-has-been-crowned

Cindy will be back next year to take the title.
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June 20, 2022 2:59pm
kowtow

Well ,well, well, Germany to reopen its coal powered electcity plants .

That’s from a left green coaltion.

Bwahahahaha.
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June 20, 2022 4:04pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Don’t they realise there’s an existential threat to humanity they have to fix? /s
  
  I wonder how long they’ll keep them going for.
  
  It’s a good thing for the politicians there that journalism is dead, because a decent journalist would have a field day with them.
  This is surely an admission that their idiotic ‘green’ energiewende is a disaster, and heads should be rolling in the streets.
  
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  June 20, 2022 5:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe will do well.
https://www.facebook.com/theunitedspot/posts/pfbid0BvvxVJaXzBNPuTpWwn6MoKYSfaZfSYM4XCbE9tc1QD3XASGAsAFHYhSWncnBzVUnl
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June 20, 2022 4:40pm
Maggie Pie

We had to larf…

my partner’s mum must have read the story about the trans swimmers 😀

she just txt….
“Wonder if old shitty-whiskers will compete in the women’s snatch ever again?
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June 20, 2022 5:34pm
Iamright

Watching tv3 news about the Picton crash and had to listen to Clive Matthew Wilson saying ” the government” needs to do this. It needs to do that.
The car is at fault the road is at fault
I feel sorry for the family but this guy is an absolute wanker suggesting the government can solve the problem. Drivers can if they drive to the conditions which includes their own condition which is not when you are dog tired in the small hours of the morning.
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June 20, 2022 6:19pm
- kowtow
  
  Agree .CMW is usually a lot better than that.
  
  There is an awful lot to be said about that crash . far too soon though .
  
  But yeah this one can’tbe laid at the gubmit’s door and nor should it.
  
  Plan your journey , drive to the conditions , stay fit and alert.
  
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  June 20, 2022 8:07pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m told Clive Matthew-Wilson still drives his 1957 Morris Oxford with a retro-fitted drivers’ airbag, which makes him ‘safe’.
  Quite why the media keeps going to this silly old git for an opinion just confirms that they are as stupid as we know they are.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:24pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I don’t know if has been improved in recent years, but the stretch of road between Tuamarina and Picton was not fit for purpose when I lived in Picton during the late nineties. There are numerous small straight stretches in among the bends which are long enough to tempt overtaking but not long enough to do it safely. SH1 (and other routes) should be 4-lane throughout, end of story. Our road network is a disgrace in comparison to any first world country that I’ve ever driven in.
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:35pm
krazykiwi

Macron loses majority with just 245 seats in French political ‘tsunami’: Marine Le Pen’s “far-right” party makes ‘huge’ gains leaving President’s hopes for pushing through policies in tatters
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June 20, 2022 6:27pm
- curry4me
  
  Oh dear that’s bad news for Teacher’s pet. Prof Turley alluded to this a few weeks ago. Will Klaus demote him? Will he go down a couple of pay grades?
  
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  June 20, 2022 6:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief..

NZ might have to import CO2

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129024460/co2-shortage-threatens-wide-range-of-nz-groceries-including-tegel-chicken
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June 20, 2022 6:45pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Maggy, this is in Stuff? This is surely an irony overload? Or has Maggie Pie stolen your handle?
  
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  June 20, 2022 9:09pm
Bluegrass

Re various posts on refugees/Refugee Day:

The refugee protocols should be revoked. They were meant to apply, back in the day, to the upheaval of mainly European folk as a result of WW2 and never contemplated TW mass migration.

The protocols are being gamed by criminals and the unscrupulous, and the illegals are being coached by extremists on the Left to to believe that it is all the West’s fault and that they are entitled.

More particularly they were designed in the wake of the build up to (and the) Holocaust when many European Jews found it difficult to find sanctuary outside of occupied Europe. They were never intended to enable to whole movement of a population of a country where there is civil war, or to enable anyone suffering poverty or bad government to find a cosy new home.
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June 20, 2022 9:24pm
Bluegrass

Re various posts on refugees/Refugee Day:

The refugee protocols should be revoked. They were meant to apply, back in the day, to the upheaval of mainly European folk as a result of WW2 and never contemplated TW mass migration.

The protocols are being gamed by criminals and the unscrupulous, and the illegals are being coached by extremists on the Left to to believe that it is all the West’s fault and that they are entitled.

More particularly they were designed in the wake of the build up to (and the) Holocaust when many European Jews found it difficult to find sanctuary outside of occupied Europe. They were never intended to enable to whole movement of a population of a country where there is civil war, or to enable anyone suffering poverty or bad government to find a cosy new home.
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June 20, 2022 9:25pm
Jack5

Here’s a gush from a Stuff reporter on the indigenous event, Matariki:

The scale, expense and focus on the holiday, which celebrates the rising of the Matariki star cluster and the dawning of a new season, shows where we are starting to place our emphasis as a nation.

Hell’s teeth. Emphasis on astrology! The country is regressing further into astrology.

Part of the NZ Encylopedia entry on Matariki:

Leading Tūhoe astronomer Dr Rangi Matamua says that his tūpuna counted nine stars:

Matariki: the star that signifies well-being, reflection, hope and the gathering of people; considered to be a female star which is the guardian of the other stars in the cluster. The name Matariki denotes both this individual star and the whole cluster.

Waitī: the star linked with fresh water and food that comes from fresh water.

Waitā: the star linked with the ocean and food that comes from it.

Tupuānuku: the star linked with food that grows in the ground.

Tupuārangi: the star linked with food that comes from the skies: fruits, berries, and birds.

Waipunarangi: the star linked with the rain.

Ururangi: the star that determines the winds for the year.

Pōhutukawa: the star associated with those who have died.

Hiwa-i-te-rangi: the star associated with dreams and aspirations for the coming year.

Most cultures put into the Santa Claus class stories about the Pleiades, Subaru, the Seven Sisters, Matariki, or whatever you want to call Messier 45.
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