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Warren

Is this what Labour wants for our population when it comes to crime.
Victims of crime owed more than $35 Million in unpaid reparations over three years.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/victims-of-crime-owed-more-than-35-million-in-unpaid-reparations-over-three-years/TWUONSLLUQBWOLUFORYTKUHUGQ/
This is disgraceful if this had happened to a sitting MP in Parliament it would have been paid the moment he complained, where has all these kind and caring policies that the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her MP’s passed through Parliament for innocent people like these.
It looks like criminals and the scum of New Zealand have more rights than the hard working population.
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June 19, 2022 8:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is hiding up the mountain where you can’t hear the booing
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:40am
- Matt Long
  
  What’s changed, I has a bike stolen at University in 1987, ordered about $10 in reparations per month for a thousand dollars in damage, paid about $30
  Scumbag probably has another 3 generations living off the tax payer since then.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:39am
peterwn

Celcius crypto – After someone I knew had some Bitcoin ‘trapped’ in Celcius I have tried to find out what Celcius is all about. The easy part is a punter can deposit Bitcoin (or similar) and is paid interest. Promoters say it is safe etc etc. But why the heck would an outfit want to accept Bitcoin deposits and what would they do with it. This is where I get all confused. They could use it for short selling Bitcoin (in a similar manner to short selling shares). Now, it seems that Celcius has been doing other weird things with depositors’ Bitcoin which potentially puts it as risk of being lost. And Celcius’s financial position has become shaky over the last year or so with Celcius applying bandaids to try and keep the sinking ship afloat. But the proverbial hit the fan last week when Celcius stopped allowing Bitcoin withdrawals. It was just like an old fashioned bank run where people flock to a bank to get their money out for fear of losing their money. So Celcius is actually a Bitcoin ‘bank’ but without the regulatory oversight that is imposed on ordinary banks.
Whether punters get their Bitcoin back goodness knows. I thought it was a 50% chance but I now think that is excessively optimistic.In USA various state agencies and the Feds are on to it. I suspect someone will be doing a perp walk fairly soon along the lines of Bernie Madoff.
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June 19, 2022 8:06am
- virtualmark
  
  It’s almost like regulation is a good thing.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:40am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s almost like good regulation is a thing.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:02am
    - Jim
      
      Indeed Matt, and I’ll raise you:
      It’s almost like good regulation is a ‘rare’ thing.
      
      I’m reflecting on events involving finance, civil engineering design, building code compliance, mining, H&S, pharmaceuticals.
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:08pm
Souvlaki

Once again, Damien Grant hits nail on head as to how National can easily throw the unloseable election.
Like Grant, I find National/Luxons torpor over 3 waters/ co-governance inexplicable….the expectation of a sleepwalking victory over a rabid Labour Party doesn’t cut the mustard I’m afraid.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129000565/the-ardern-government-is-in-a-death-spiral-with-no-hope-or-is-it?cid=app-android
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June 19, 2022 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  It is all about timing – something Damien does not seem to appreciate. National does not have the numbers to stop these things now and if it shows too much of its hand it gives Labour too much of a chance to hit back. Better to keep the ammo dry until nearer the next election.
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:19am
  - rouppe
    
    Except three waters is happening now.
    
    It is now that we need opposition to this. Just saying you’ll repeal it later is pussy politics, and actually can’t be promised as no one knows what the political landscape will look like in 18 months
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:57am
    - peterwn
      
      If Labour is hell bent on pushing it through nothing will stop it short of a coup d’etat. Labour has the numbers, it does not even need the support of the Greens or Maori Party. So what National can do to stop it?
      
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      June 19, 2022 11:59am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Imagine thinking that the Opposition would oppose the Government in any way? This is a laughable concept in our sophisticated democracy. No, much better to wait until the dogshit is already on the carpet and then clean up the mess afterwards (and maybe even not clean it up), rather than getting the dog outside at the first signs of an impending bowel movement.
      
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      June 19, 2022 12:37pm
    - pdm
      
      So true rouppe.
      
      I am going to the Taxpayers Union 3Waters meeting in Hastings on Friday 24th. Either 10am or 11am.
      
      Time and venue yet to be advised/confirmed and the larger the turnout the better.
      
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      June 19, 2022 12:55pm
    - curry4me
      
      Well there is a F&R march oppising it. Latimer Suare 11 AM next Saturday.
      
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      June 19, 2022 6:11pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    I’m sick and tired of hearing that National are keeping their powder dry. Either they oppose these egregious policies, or they do not. Let us know, so that we can act accordingly in the run up to the election.
    
    “Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.” – WB Yeats
    
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    June 19, 2022 12:34pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      They’ve already said they oppose them & will reverse the legislation.
      
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      June 19, 2022 5:30pm
- Gravelroad
  
  The Labour Party has dumbed down the population so many don’t care about politics as long as Jacinda keeps smiling and Robertson keeps paying out the money for the maintenance of “well being” lifestyles.
  There will be a lot of voters who will not want to risk their state mandated, tax payer funding being turned off.
  The writer includes Mr Muller in his list of National Party people of influence.
  No thanks.
  No.
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:25am
  - pdm
    
    A definite NO to Muller.
    
    Get another job well away from Parliament Todd Muller you are a liability to National.
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      A full account of that amazing period in the national party leadership has yet to be written.
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:35am
  - peterwn
    
    Whether Mr Muller remains an electorate MP is a matter for National members of his electorate. Chris Luxon has ranked him 24/32. If there was strong feeling to show him the door, Chris would have ranked him right near the bottom.
    Also it is not entirely fair to blame him completely for what happened. The National caucus was demoralised to the point of panic by poor poll results and was starting to disintegrate. So it was little wonder that they wanted a ‘circuit breaker’ in the form of a change of leadership. Todd had been successful in his endeavours and would have been in stressful situations. So he ended up as a mere mortal trying to do the job of Superman with extremely high expectations and something had to give which it did.
    Chris currently needs every bit of talent and experience available and so Todd is is far more valuable to the team than a newcomer.
    
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    June 19, 2022 12:17pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      “Also it is not entirely fair to blame him completely for what happened”
      
      He fomented and then staged a leadership coup without the resources to do the job. It is ENTIRELY fair to COMPLETELY blame him for the atrocious mess he created.
      
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      June 19, 2022 2:45pm
      - My
        
        Yeah. To quote Harry Callahan. “A man’s got to know his limitations”. Muller didn’t, and if he doesn’t give someone else a chance he still doesn’t. It’s a big job to represent an electorate.
        
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        June 19, 2022 3:58pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Luxon should take heart from the words of Andrew Breitbart
  “Walk toward the fire. Don’t worry about what they call you. All those things are said against you because they want to stop you in your tracks. But if you keep going, you’re sending a message to people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you. The message is that they can do it, too.”
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:38am
  - MCōs
    
    He clearly didn’t have the Blues in mind.
    
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    June 19, 2022 8:41am
    - Colville
      
      If the Blues had Scott Robertson as coach they would have won easily 🙂
      
      ** Bastard Crusaders wont by too much! I had them at 12 or under!
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:46am
- Ross Miller
  
  Is this the same Damien Grant who served time in prison for fraud and credit card offenses?
  
  ‘Torpor over Three Waters co-governance’ … Luxon/National have pledged to repeal Three Waters and his position on co-governance was neatly summed up (yet again) in his speech to National’s Northern Conference last week when he said the co-governance had no place in the provision of public services.
  
  Clearly you are tone deaf.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:17am
- Philview
  
  I don’t agree on this one, National have continually condemned 3 Waters and said they will over turn it. The Major and Morrison Governments mentioned weren’t trying to restructure their democracies. In the UK the Blair/Brown Labour Government from 2005 was more in the mold of this Ardern Government. UK Labour’s ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon with no democratic mandate saw them lose the next election and they haven’t been back in since. The Treaty of Lisbon was a considerable building block towards a Federal Europe and put the UK on the road towards Brexit.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:18am
  - leoj
    
    Except that National have a history of “saying” but not “doing”.
    
    The trend taking place has just one high spot: This bastard of a govt will be gone next year.
    
    Nevertheless, the only way I would vote for National is if they made Joyce and English one and two on the list.
    
    After they win: Joyce as PM, English as Finance Minister.
    
    I reckon National and te reo Luxon won’t be getting my vote.
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:34am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      So you’re happy to support Bill English, who learned Te Reo Maori in his own time, and surprised the folk at Ratana by speaking in their language for five minutes, with no notes, but you wouldn’t vote for National because Chris Luxon is learning Te Reo? Hmmm…
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:46am
      - Colville
        
        TS
        Yeah it appears that leo wants Cindy to stay as PM…
        
        Its a binary choice…Luxon or Cindy. (or maybe Grunta?)
        
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        June 19, 2022 10:49am
      - leoj
        
        There was no virtue signalling from English.
        
        te reo Luxon is a pretender. Just another wokester.
        
        National are but a shadow of their former selves since they have gone woke.
        
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        June 19, 2022 4:16pm
    - peterwn
      
      Would you vote Labour? Your attitude may indicate that you may be giving Labour a half vote (or more) for the next election. Now if you were thinking of voting for ACT that would be an entirely different matter.
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:07pm
      - leoj
        
        Yep. Holding my nose and voting ACT.
        
        Seymour would have had whole-hearted support if he’d developed a spine and went and talked to the protestors.
        
        How anyone could assume that I would vote for Cindy is insane. “Bastard of a govt” was an enormous clue.
        
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        June 19, 2022 4:19pm
    - tf78
      
      Do you ever consider that English and Joyce no longer want to be there.
      
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      June 19, 2022 6:20pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    And look at how the “Conservatives” have been ruling…mass immigration still out of control, climate change madness, the woke army steadily marching through the institutions. It’s like Labour never left. And so shall it be if National win.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:30am
    - leoj
      
      Agree. National have burned their bridges by not undoing past Labour policies. They won’t undo any in the future either. They are not trustworthy.
      
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      June 19, 2022 4:22pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I have often wondered how our teachers vote. Now I suspect it is mostly Labour Green Maori. I would be concerned if it was mostly National/ACT.
  The reason is our young people should be exposed to a variety of poltical views as they grow up so they can make up their mind as to their own political views.
  I suspect my views are someehat uptopian in todays social and political climate.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:18am
  - O C Smith
    
    I doubt if the current education system is providing a balances view of politics.
    
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    June 19, 2022 12:01pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You can say the same thing about the average newsroom. Diversity in everything except political thought.
    
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    June 19, 2022 8:49pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What the hell are you talking about? Nats have bowed to over turn 3 waters, and drop any racist services
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Luxon spelled National’s attitude towards co-governance out pretty clearly last week in his speech to the Northern Regional Conference:
  
  But, unfortunately, as this Government gets more desperate, it’s more often than not resorting to playing Kiwis off against each other. Landlords versus renters. Business owners versus workers. Urban versus rural.
  
  It focuses on identify politics and factionalism that’s more about pitting people against each other, rather than bringing them together.
  
  Then there’s the assault on the fundamental principle that everyone’s vote carries the same value as everyone else’s and none are more valuable than others.
  
  That should be a given in New Zealand. Instead, there’s an emerging co-governance programme that Labour has sprung on the public without much warning or discussion.
  
  If it wants to undermine democratic principles, the Government should be transparent about that.
  
  National doesn’t support co-governance of public services.
  
  The National Government I lead will be ruthlessly focused on delivering better outcomes for Māori, non-Māori and all New Zealanders alike.
  
  We want every Kiwi to have the opportunity to flourish and to get ahead. Yes, we know that Māori tend to have poorer economic and social outcomes, and we have to address that.
  
  But I want this to be a country where your life prospects are not defined by your identity, or your race, or where you are born.
  
  And we won’t achieve that vision by creating different systems for Māori and non-Māori. To me that’s a cop out.
  
  That’s why we will abolish the Māori Health Authority, that even the Government acknowledges won’t lead to better health outcomes for the next five years.
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/speech-backing-police-tackling-gangs
  
  Luxon, and other National MP’s are also on the record multiple times saying that if they are elected next year, they will repeal Three Waters, and return the control of local assets to local communities. That’s hardly torpor.
  
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  June 19, 2022 11:21am
  - Jack5
    
    Some of us are spooked by the co-governance views of former National MPs such as Wayne Mapp and Chris Finlayson.
    
    How much power has National’s Old Guard of former politicians? Surely it was pulling some of the puppet strings in the comic-opera performance that made Todd Muller Leader of the Opposition for just under two months.
    
    National Parliamentary roles of Mapp, who posts on Kiwiblog, included being associate spokesperson on the Treaty of Waitangi from 1999 to 2002.
    
    Finlayson was Minister for Waitangi Treaty negotiations for nine years. Before becoming a list MP, Finlayson was well-known for his skilful negotiation of the Treaty settlement for the South Island’s Ngai Tahu tribe.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:41am
  - jon
    
    Nats also need to repeal Maori wards in local govt, however i won’t hold my breath on that one!
    
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    June 19, 2022 1:05pm
NK

Torpor? Is that a word?
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June 19, 2022 8:13am
- NK
  
  Ah yes it is. Nice!
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:14am
- G152
  
  YES
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:14am
- Yvette
  
  Torpor?
  Yes – it’s a little town in the middle of the North Island
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:22am
  - CJames
    
    Yvette – please get it right. We are a BIG town. In fact, the second biggest in the Waikato behind Hamilton. But the word also is an apt description of many of the residents.
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:32am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Yvette: Nice 😂
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think they got a lake
    
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    June 19, 2022 12:29pm
- Cassandra
  
  It’s a town and lake in the central North Island. Often misspelled.
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah, it is, maybe..
  
  I suppose I could look it up in the dictionary, but I can’t be bothered…
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yep, it’s a nutters word for bullshit
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:44am
- crikey
  
  If you don’t have a dictionary there are plenty on line. Alternatively, tap on the work to look up its meanings.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why won’t Labour support the training of more students to become doctors?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300614570/auckland-uni-calls-for-more-medical-student-places-to-help-ease-doctor-shortage

Are we all expected to be seen by “barefoot doctors” in the near future?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_doctor#:~:text=Example%20of%20moxibustion-,Scope%20of%20practice,own%20herbs%20in%20the%20backyard.
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June 19, 2022 8:21am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  They cannot get enough of the people who get special privileges to get into Med School to get past the low pass mark.
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:25am
  - Joely Doe
    
    You are not wrong…
    Med students with marks of 96% average across all subjects cannot get into Otago med school!
    They have to sit on the sidelines while ‘special’ entries with 76-84% grades get in ahead of them…
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:46am
    - Colville
      
      the smartest man I know failed to get into med school…so went on to be a lawyer…..then QC…now high court Judge.
      
      He is probably quite happy not to be checking out peoples haemorrhoids…
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:53am
    - kowtow
      
      Entry to second year law there also has a “special” provision.
      
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      June 19, 2022 12:38pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Are we all expected to be seen by “barefoot doctors” in the near future?’
  
  I would expect so . Afterall we really are in the middle of a cultural revolution and the Red Guards are running the place.
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps university graduates, including doctors, should have to remain in New Zealand until they have repaid their student loans.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:01am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I went to Canada in 1969 to do a PhD. As it happens I returned to a uni teaching job in NZ. I was a far better educated (and more useful) person than if I had stayed in NZ.
    
    Go figure ….
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:43am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure, but a general rule that you can’t leave New Zealand without repaying debts to your fellow taxpayers could be useful. Or allow graduates to repay debts faster by fixed terms of service, etc.
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:38am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Teachers used to have to do country service
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:22am
- Ian Boag
  
  NZ has always had 3 med schools – Auckland, Otago and offshore. A fair proportion of NZ graduates head offshore to Oz or further. This problem has been around forever.
  
  A significant increase in the number of NZ grads would take years to happen.It takes about 8 years go to whoa to take someone from keen high school student to independently practicing medic. So if we decoded to go hard today it would be about 10 years before we saw significant numbers. Admittedly I am not counting the work done in hospital by house officers.
  
  This is perhaps a reason why it should be started now. I remember that Waikato was pitching for a med school with some emphasis on rural medicine but it went nowhere.
  
  Medical training is expensive. Some of that comes from the fact that medically qualified uni staff are paid more (a different scale) than the rest.
  
  Here is a thoroughly off-the-wall idea. We could train some doctors who don’t meet offshore standards. Just leave out some bits eg geriatrics and/or paediatrics and/or something else. Training fully up to scratch in all the rest. These folk would stay in NZ because they had no place else to go. Details to be worked out …
  
  Also FWIW once upon a time a new medic emerged from house officer year and could nail up the plate to become a GP. GP is now treated like other specialties with a few years of postgrad.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:17am
  - Cassandra
    
    Interesting proposal, Ian. Worth considering but our current one of attracting UK docs sick of the NHS works pretty well. Make that work better before your barefoot idea perhaps? Having seen two stories recently about a South African and a Pom going home because of immigration bureaucracy delays here implies Kris Faafoi had his mind elsewhere.
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:25am
    - CJames
      
      Remember how Otaki lost a very good GP who wanted to buy into the practice a year or so ago but couldn’t. None of the officials or Ministers saw any need to sort things out. That story has been repeated throughout the health system. What has changed? Or is that only something a change of government will fix?
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:51am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Not “barefoot” – perhaps “one-legged”. eg if the geriatrics bit was left out it just means this medic could not treat old folk. No suggestion that the standard of training for the other stuff should be any different to the what the full-noise folk get.
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:39pm
  - artemisia
    
    Good idea about not every speck of training for all doctors. Suggest pass it on to the Health spox.
    
    Also it is a lot cheaper for us to import doctors, even if making it easier for them to come and get the additional ticks on boxes needed. New Zealand is not the most obvious country for them to immigrate to these days, but financial and other support is cheaper than training our own then losing them.
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:34am
  - MCōs
    
    When I was living in Bangkok I came into contact with a number of specialists.
    A neurologist who treated my epilepsy was educated in Wisconsin. I saw a dermatologist who had been to university in Ireland and I had a hip replacement by an orthopedic surgeon trained in Bangkok.
    The latter was about 60 at the time. The old bugger is still at it, twenty years later. He made a pretty good job of my hip, which is still going.
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:10am
- Phronesis
  
  The professional accreditation bodies for doctors cover both Australia and New Zealand which makes it very easy for NZ drs to work in Oz. Drs in Oz earn 2+ times what they do in NZ. Young drs in particular have the flexibility to move to Oz so training more of them doesn’t achieve much. The drs that work in nz are a mix of locally trained drs who stay for family reasons and western trained drs who come here for the novelty. Until there is some degree of pay parity with Oz training more drs will help them more than it helps us.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:41am
  - CJames
    
    At the local hospital when I had treatment, one of the ED doctors was from Wisconsin and the other from Belgium. Both were very good. But the system will lose them soon.
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:54am
    - Phronesis
      
      The Americans like to have a bit of third world experience on their CV, particularly if they have an interest in moving into management. Apparently NZ is close enough and they like that we speak english. Of course the recent border restrictions has stemmed the flow and without as many foreign drs we are now 50% understaffed.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300615615/dhbs-short-medical-specialists-they-need-amid-dire-staff-shortages–survey
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:31pm
Ruahine

Just had my usual squiz at the Heralds website and they seem to have missed the fact that there was a by-election in Tauranga yesterday and that the National candidate won.
Perhaps they are waiting for the official results in a couple of weeks.
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June 19, 2022 8:22am
- JohnRidd
  
  Well spotted.
  
  I suspect it is a deliberate strategy to ignore anything that makes Labour look bad or National good.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There are 1500 specials
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:47am
  - CJames
    
    With an on the night majority of 6K+, does that matter? It wont affect the result
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:55am
- Paulus
  
  No, it was on the Herald Website when I looked at about 5.30am, whilst en route to a usual pee.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:40am
krazykiwi

The CDC. At your service.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued advice for those who want to engage in sexual activity in the age of Monkeypox. The guidance is contained in a document called Social Gatherings, Safer Sex and Monkeypox. Breitbart has more.

The CDC set out in its two-page release the death rate of monkeypox is thought to be one percent, but “possibly” higher in immunocompromised individuals, and therefore has a list of warnings, cautions, guidance and associated points to be taken into consideration by anyone considering spending time with another.

Some of the guidance includes masturbating at least six feet away from a partner, avoiding kissing, having virtual sex, and “having sex with your clothes on or covering areas where rash or sores are present”.
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June 19, 2022 8:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Sounds totally rational.
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:52am
- Matt Long
  
  Reminds me of McPhail and Gadsby, How to Evade Oids
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:54am
- NK
  
  What about only kissing with both parties wearing a mask?
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

The end of competitive swimming for women?
https://www.reuters.com/article/swimmming-world-transgender-idUSKBN2NZ01V
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June 19, 2022 8:29am
- All_on_Red
  
  Is there anything Men cant do better than Women, including being a Woman?
  //
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Ask this guy: Male blood donor turned away are refusing to say whether he was pregnant
    
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    June 19, 2022 8:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is only a matter of time before that nonsense comes here. I shake my head at the spokesperson from the NHS who defends the nonsense by saying it is “inclusive” to ask men if they are pregnant.
      
      The only way to defeat this is for all men to walk out of the clinic as this guy did. Good on him. If men play along and tick the box in the pregnancy question, the architects of this dystopian nightmare will be emboldened.
      
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      June 19, 2022 8:51am
      - Souvlaki
        
        Well, it may interest you to know that Aysha Verrals new ” notification of abortion” form, since the law change, asks ” what gender does the patient identify with”….one option being the obligatory ” male”🤯….so yes Benedict, this crap is well ensconced in ‘ lil ol’ NZ’.☹
        
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        June 19, 2022 9:07am
      - emmess
        
        It is here and arguably worse.
        Remember Laurel Hubbard?
        
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        June 19, 2022 9:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      This shit needs to be stopped before the crazies get it.
      Is it too late?
      
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      June 19, 2022 12:23pm
    - I remember when
      
      kk: His gruff voice quickly identified him.
      Perhaps starting from the wrong premise – or is that pre Miss.
      
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      June 19, 2022 2:15pm
All_on_Red

On ya bike Joe
Whoops!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10929963/Biden-79-FALLS-bike-ride-near-Rehoboth-Beach-home.html
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June 19, 2022 8:33am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’d like to know why these obviously incapable Us presidents try to prove they are still up to it by riding bikes, walking down dangerous ramps, etc. Shouldn’t they just stay in armchairs like FDR?
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:04am
  - oldfella
    
    The fact FDR couldn’t walk properly after getting polio, did limit his mobility options. Not a lot of bike riding or walking down any kind of ramp for old Franklin. //
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:14am
    - peterwn
      
      Adolf Hitler had a building set up in Berlin for Churchill and FDR complete with wheelchair ramp for when the Germans won WW2. It did not quite turn out like that.
      
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      June 19, 2022 2:53pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Photo opportunities and virtue signaling nonsense. Western politicians all do it. Moronic stuff that their pr teams come up with.
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:40am
    - Ehlana
      
      Not just US presidents. I know a number of males who have learned the hard way that they can no longer do what their children can.
      
      And as for photo ops – maybe they’re trying to keep up with Putin, just like the current Kim does (https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-white-horse-sacred-mountain-vladimir-putin)
      
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      June 19, 2022 12:35pm
    - Mike
      
      I think your authoritarian idols like Putin are not averse to photo ops.
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:08pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yes but they shudda left the training wheels on , but that wudn’t have looked too good . Either way he’s an idiot.
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:25pm
    - I remember when
      
      Seemed to require a lot of fellow bike riders to ensure he didn’t lose his way.
      
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      June 19, 2022 2:16pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bwhahahahahaha, silly ole fool
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:48am
  - MCōs
    
    These things happen, although you’d have to wonder why these various politicians insist on doing these things.
    Scott Morrison & Boris both bowled over kids playing rugby. The latter also went running dressed like a fool & Tony Abbott took a bite out of an onion.
    John Key performed on a catwalk & David Seymour twerked.
    Then there’s the likes of Savage & Norm Kirk who refused to get proper medical treatment and carried on until they died.
    
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    June 19, 2022 6:59pm
Gulag1917

” You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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June 19, 2022 8:34am
blue collar

Tough shit JAFAS !!!
Got owned , worse , your boys did it to themselves .
Way to choke …. Extraordinary effort to fuck things up that bad
It’s pretty obvious drinking lattes and wearing Lycra on bikes isn’t helping Auckland rugby .

GOD THEY SUCKED !!

What a way to lose …. Was it 10 of their own line outs ? Scrum destroyed , butter fingers all night , knock ons , totally ineffective and aimless kicking game …..
the crusaders just had to stand there and STOP LAUGHING long enough to score

What a shambles . What a joke . What a pack of amateur losers . Quick find a safe room where the pooor little blues boys can huddle together and cry , where they can wail for mummy and dream of being swaddled and getting back on the tit .
Stone cold choking losers
Well done crusaders , showed them JAFA FAIRIES how to play footy …. again

Too soft . Too weak . Too lame

I mean look at the HAIRCUTS !! You can’t win a rugby comp with a bunch of raging hipster wannabe , soaking wet , SCREAMING POOFTERS can you .
Look at me , look at me !! Say the blues hairdos …. I’ll look at you , I’ll watch you LOSE pretty boy .
And how the hell fo you expect to win with 2 GINGERS in the starting lineup ????
I mean cmon …. TWO RANGAS , 2 blood nuts , call em what you want but nothing says we are desperate and highly unstable like starting 2 albino , freckled to buggery , god damned Ginger’s on the verge of firing up all game .

Such pathetic losers . God it was great to watch .
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June 19, 2022 8:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Congratulation to the Crusaders for giving Cantabrians something to live for down in that wasteland. Also for proving Christchurch doesn’t really need a rugby stadium.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:42am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    As an ex Cantab now in the far north it’s still always a chuckle to beat the Jaffas. Not that Auckland isn’t full of ex Cantabs anyway.
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:18am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Of course. Given that Christchurch is mostly a devastated wasteland, it’s no surprise that there is a vocal diaspora in the more desirable parts of the country.
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:40am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        That’s as barmy and unfounded as most of your opinions so no surprise. You need to get out more.
        
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        June 19, 2022 11:21am
- kowtow
  
  You are of course taking the piss , you have to be .
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Anyone thinking the Blues would win clearly didn’t watch the semis, Crusaders were huge with 14 players for 30 mins
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:50am
- amospicton
  
  For what it’s worth Blue Collar I’m a Crusaders supporter who was at the game last night. Surprisingly poor sportsmanship displayed by the Blues crowd at times but I was embarrassed by a few very poor winners amongst the Crusaders fans. It was ugly and frankly a little pathetic. Quite similar to your comments above in fact. I learnt to be gracious in defeat and humble in victory growing up in Chch. What’s changed?
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:50am
- pdm
  
  Yesterday when I said here Crusaders by 10 I clearly underestimated the Crusaders and overestimated the Blues.
  
  Did Beauden Barrett and Steven Perofeta play? The Crusaders shut them down like only they do to the big name players in opposition teams.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:01am
- H. Upmann
  
  As a Jaffa, yes agree. Blues were pathetic and an embarrassment.
  
  I am not one, but lay off the Gingas mate. Those two between them did 50% of the work!
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:29am
- Media hater
  
  The vast majority of Aucklanders couldn’t care less. But still, enjoy your moment of triumph!
  
  PS – any down tickers aren’t Aucklanders, LOL
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:30am
  - Colville
    
    Oh Aucklanders dont watch the rugby because their league team does so well?? //
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:59am
  - MCōs
    
    Here in Mangere Bridge before the Warriors disappeared to Oz they had far more support than the Blues.
    This, of course, is Counties Manukau, which used to be in the Chiefs catchment.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:31am
    - pdm
      
      Difficult to support the Warriors at any time but particularly this year.
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Was there a by-election last night?

Did someone forget to tell the NZ Herald?
I can’t see anything about it on the front of their website page.
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June 19, 2022 8:36am
- David George
  
  They had it up last night and early this morning.
  Obviously more important stuff to report on?
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The headline I saw 30 minutes ago in the Herald online was about an “influencer” who’s silicon boob job went pear shaped. Quality journalism, worth every cent….
    
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    June 19, 2022 8:55am
    - David Garrett
      
      Clan: Stuff the other day had a heart warming story about two toy dogs getting married…Yep, I kid you not
      
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      June 19, 2022 9:11am
      - Cassandra
        
        Reading either of these rags is bad for you. Elf&safety should ban them.
        
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        June 19, 2022 9:27am
    - kowtow
      
      Sarah Harris ,29, reported to be a Playboy and Maxim model with 2 million instagram followers .
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:30am
    - crikey
      
      Pear shaped sounds about right.
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:38am
  - The Boss
    
    Luxon sat on a desk. That is much more important to them
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:06am
- Nickc2
  
  They couldn’t be more blatantly biased if they were paid to do so eh?
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  That $1tuffed article souvlaki linked to above says it all really. Most popular story is the ongoing media jihad against an exAJ hack ,while the bye election comes in at #3.Wot does that say about $tuff readers.
  
  Amazing really how the Media Pardy has put the cross hairs on that guy as oppossed to any sunlight on the Mahuta Mafia ,enabled by Ardern , in tryingto transform our democracy into ,well, who knows what .
  
  They don’t deserve the appelation of Fourth Estate.
  
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  June 19, 2022 8:51am
  - curry4me
    
    Of course the MSM is no longer the ‘fourth estate’. they have become the fifth colum.
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:04am
- Boomer Bad
  
  Not to be found on either Stuff or the Herald earlier this morning.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Currently 5th most popular story on Stuff.
  But I agree, it’s a scandal that our mainstream websites don’t highlight the stories which you think are most important.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    which you think are most important.
    Ackshally…..
    
    I’d gone searching on “Stuff” and NZ Herald” to see if I could get some tips on what to buy for my Après ski outfit this season.
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/18/jacinda-ardern-marks-start-of-ski-season-with-queenstown-visit/
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:04am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Obviously I don’t follow celebrities as diligently as you.
      
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      June 19, 2022 10:41am
      - I remember when
        
        mandm
        And here was me thinking you follow all the celebrities on Kiwi Blog.
        
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        June 19, 2022 2:28pm
  - graham
    
    So, are you saying that you don’t think the result of a by-election is important, or should be given at least some prominence in the media, mikenmildagain?
    
    Interesting priorities you have there.
    
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    June 19, 2022 12:06pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @ NZ Herald –
  National winning a by election – not news
  Labour winning a by election – news.
  You get what you pay for.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Front page of the Herald today is a huge story implying the shot gangster wouldn’t have been shot had the Cops not let him run on the loose for so long.
    They’ve interviewed the missus , and tho the Cops say he had a knife to her throat , necessitating the shooting , she says she wasn’t in danger , she maintains he was a loving dad and great partner.
    He must have been a busy dad as we learn he had “about nine children”.
    
    Anyway easy to see the Media Pardy spin .
    I’m glad I don’t support the Ferald with any direct financial support.
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He was a good boy
      
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      June 19, 2022 12:57pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh but it’s more important to show Ardern up the mountain hiding from the angry plebs below
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:51am
  - I remember when
    
    Seeking divine inspiration.
    
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    June 19, 2022 2:30pm
- Caleb
  
  National, stop all state funded advertising to the NZ media pending long and drawn out review process.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:04am
- jon
  
  Maggy. The result was to the MSM an inconvenient truth, that was just too much, for them to acknowledge.
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who would pay $250 to schmooze with the Prime Minister?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128962631/cash-for-access-the-price-tag-to-schmooze-new-zealands-political-leaders
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June 19, 2022 8:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Actually $1,750. A scandal when John Luxon only charges $1,000. He’s selling himself short.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:10am
  - Cassandra
    
    Don’t criticise John Luxon, good bloke, uncle of a politician.
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:29am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Who the Hell is John Luxon?
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Very sorry about that.
      
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      June 19, 2022 9:39am
      - Prince
        
        no probs matt.
        
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        June 19, 2022 10:13am
      - patreon_36178434
        
        Why ?
        It’s about the normal standard of your commentary
        
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        June 19, 2022 10:56am
    - Cassandra
      
      A combination of John Key and Chris Luxon. mike has a fixation.
      
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      June 19, 2022 11:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I hear she got very few 1750 was last time, looks like the figure is down to 250
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:52am
    - kowtow
      
      They’ll probably put that ticket price drop into a basket of goodies to help suppress the inflation numbers.
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:29pm
- pdm
  
  $1,750 gets you David Clark, `Angry’ Andrew Little and the `Devious Puppeteer’ Willie Jackson as well.
  
  What a riveting experience that evening would be.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:06am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I really don’t know why anyone would pay for the very dubious privilege of listening to a politician. Don’t we hear enough of their platitudes on broadcast media?
    
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    June 19, 2022 10:43am
  - kowtow
    
    They know by charging so much the punters won’t have any cash left over to buy rotten veges to chuck at ’em during the show.
    
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    June 19, 2022 1:30pm
- crikey
  
  Important question: In an election year would any such paid-for “schmoozing” be classified as a political donation and thus have to be included in a party’s donations reporting?
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:42am
Lee C

Imagine the front page of The Herald if Labour had achieved 50% of the popular vote in Tauranga last night.

Go on, just close your eyes and imagine.

Big photo on front page ‘Tauranga Endorses New Direction!”

The jubilant MP, possibly another ‘selfie in a crowd’ shot. Jacinda helicoptered from the ski fields to personally congradulate her new MP.

The breathless podium speech (to the ‘Accredited Media’ about ‘New Beginnings’ and how the electorate have ‘overwhelmingly endorsed Labour’s direction.

An ‘Is this the phoenix from the ashes?’ opinion pieces from a reliable ‘unbiased’ commentator.

Perhaps an editorial humourlessly gloating about people being wise enough to be ‘staying on course’.

An academic or two describing how this is a glowing endorsement of the new direction for ‘democracy’.

Perhaps Willy Jackson congratulating the Tauranga elctorate for ‘getting’ Co-Governance?

Who knows, there might even be a snide article about how the result has humiliated ‘white supremacists’.

But no. This is The Herald this morning:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=784709862697566&aggr_v_ids%5B0%5D=784709862697566&aggr_v_ids%5B1%5D=555700719339325&notif_id=1655496904591174&notif_t=watch_follower_video&ref=notif

They haven’t even reported on the result.
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June 19, 2022 8:59am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  You sound very disappointed that Labour didn’t win. Cross your fingers for next year.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:11am
  - Cassandra
    
    mike, your contribution after the next general election will be fascinating. A lesson in how to spin a disaster. “Titanic was a trial for new giant submarine project”.
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Disappointed that no one has said Labour won the party vote in 2020 in this electorate
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:54am
    - Jack5
      
      Party votes aren’t recalculated in by-elections, as you know, G the giant from Dunners.
      
      It would have been interesting to see the trend.
      
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      June 19, 2022 11:02pm
  - Lee C
    
    Read a lot of Oscar Wilde, do you Milky?
    
    It shines through in your snappy ripostes.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:56am
chukar

Well done Crusaders, six consecutive titles!
And by far the best on the park again!
Amazing record!
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June 19, 2022 9:16am
- virtualmark
  
  Is there anyone here who can explain why Ian Foster is the coach of the All Blacks? Anyone?
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:45am
  - virtualmark
    
    And how much do you reckon the RFU is going to offer Robertson to coach England?
    
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    June 19, 2022 9:47am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Put it down to the old boys network club VM.
    With that ridiculous succession plan.
    
    It is insulting to all the up and coming coaches to see their pathways block by idiots.
    
    A clean out from the top would be a huge start.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Chukar-
  Would be interesting to see how the current Crusaders team and coach would go against a selection from the recently announced All Blacks squad.
  Especially in regards to the front rows, locks, number 8, mid field, wingers and fullback.
  Lol.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:22am
  - chukar
    
    Yes Gravel,
    Always suspected the road to All Blackdom is usually through Auckland!
    However could be wrong!
    Your suggestion would make for an incredible game along the lines of the old North/South game or more simply All Black trials!
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:58am
- barnacle bill
  
  It was a very stupid idea from Foster and co to select the All black side last Monday.
  If it had been this coming Monday then there would have been several who would not now be and AB. And several who are.
  
  Just another typical idiot Foster idea.
  
  On the coaching last night, it was a case of the apprentice versus the master.
  A great Crusader win, coached by a gifted coaching team.
  
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  June 19, 2022 11:09am
- Inthe09
  
  The only thing I like about the Crusaders is they kept their name and there were enough people with a spine down there to tell the PC crowd to get lost. Hope it continues.
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:43pm
Warren

Jesus there is some sick individuals in New Zealand, why have children if you can’t keep them safe and healthy.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/18/baby-found-with-critical-non-accidental-injuries-in-masterton/
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June 19, 2022 9:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  Having kids is your “job”.
  You can get paid for it- plus accommodation.
  Once a solo parent has an assured income from the government they are more attractive to freeloaders with alcohol/ drug/gambling problems.
  Freeloaders who are often jealous, lacking in education and have trouble controlling their tempers.
  Parents- the safety of babies is in your own hands.
  Ditch the controlling, violent drunks and drug addicts in favour of your kids.
  Please.
  
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  June 19, 2022 11:42am
Inandout

What was Jacinda’s bestie Colbert up to?

‘WASHINGTON (AP) – U.S. Capitol Police said Friday that officers arrested seven unauthorized people in a congressional office building Thursday night and charged them with unlawful entry.

The people identified themselves as being affiliated with CBS’ “Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” a person familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

Another person familiar with the matter provided the AP with a list of nine people who had been stopped by Capitol Police. They included several producers, along with Robert Smigel, the voice behind Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.

The two people who spoke with the AP could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity’.
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June 19, 2022 9:32am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYI0YkR-RH4

Is China About to Collapse? – The Real Truth.

The coming collapse of China… China is on the brink of destruction… you hear these claims, but is there any truth to them? In many ways, Yes! But it’s much more complicated than that.
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June 19, 2022 9:33am
- MCōs
  
  People have been predicting the imminent demise of China since God knows when.
  Also Russia.
  Also North Korea.
  The Taliban.
  Before that North Vietnam.
  Before that North Korea.
  The Crusaders
  
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  June 19, 2022 11:38am
  - curry4me
    
    I know. The author thinks they’re not likely to collapse soon. Unless ofcourse they do.
    
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    June 19, 2022 6:26pm
emmess

Repost:
Holy shit
What Biden did with his daughter is truly disgusting
https://youtu.be/460LLa5yhEU
Surely, it must bring him down
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June 19, 2022 9:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Clearly untouchable as critical to DNC power.
  
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  June 19, 2022 11:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just waiting for FB fact checkers to put me in jail
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:08pm
- Nickc2
  
  …and add to that, the devious old bastard using the FBI to try and conceal the fact by going after his daughter’s diary.
  However, it appears there have been copies of the diary circulating among selected MSM and trusted Republicans.
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:36pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Given her problems and her brother’s antics it doesn’t seem like his parenting skills and morals were any better than his political ones.
  
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  June 19, 2022 2:16pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Don’t you long to return to the time when Tucker Carlson and Hunter Biden were best friends?
    
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    June 19, 2022 2:59pm
emmess

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TV Ratings
This is awesome
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/the-spinoff-20-years-of-tv-ratings-that-show-the-immense-scale-of-audience-decline/IVCA77DUZ37YPACASEBBN6EHLA/
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June 19, 2022 9:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So only about 5-10% of adults still watching broadcast TV
  
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  June 19, 2022 11:38am
- NoFax
  
  I haven’t watched liner TV for almost 15 years now and hardly watch TV shows even with on-demand and Netflix.
  I’m more surprised by how many people still watch it at all and even more so what they call “news”. Why would anyone watch that?
  
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  June 20, 2022 4:09am
greybeard

9:47am Sunday and already all references to Tauranga by-election have disappeared from Stuff homepage !
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June 19, 2022 9:48am
- kowtow
  
  They’ve got $55 mil in incentives to be seen to be playing the Judas Iscariot.
  
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  June 19, 2022 9:57am
- mudrunner
  
  You’re right. I read the news item earlier on Stuff and puzzled at why they said BRIDGES in 2020 had a % lead of vote of 4% yet no mention of the lead current status over same Labour candidate TINETTI.
  Well, that’s because it is 31.12%.
  I know it’s a by-election, but that is still a very significant number before finals are counted when it will probably rise further.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:37am
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300615615/dhbs-short-medical-specialists-they-need-amid-dire-staff-shortages–survey

This shortage is entirely predictable, population growth and required specialists to service the population.

So, why are the med schools still turning away some of New Zealands brightest students?

Why have they not expanded teaching capacity ? Why did labour obstruct the idea of establishing a medical school in the Waikato?

“But Labour is unconvinced of the need for a third med school, saying its creation would soak up an “awful lot” of health dollars.”

So labour are directly causing this shortage, and future shortages.
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June 19, 2022 9:54am
MCōs

Seven people killed in one road accident just outside Picton this morning.
I don’t know who they were or what happened, but this is terrible news.
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June 19, 2022 10:21am
- kowtow
  
  How cheap would it be to separate lanes on our highways .
  Afterall we spent a king’s ransom on wuflu.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:33am
  - MCōs
    
    A couple of days ago as we were going along an on ramp we passed a car upside down on fire on the SW motorway.
    There shouldn’t be any accident on the Mangere Bridge, but there you are. Three lanes dead straight at that location.
    I seen people swerve across several lanes to get off at the Onehunga exit.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:51am
  - CJames
    
    On most roads, lanes can’t be separated as the roads aren’t wide enough. Even now on some of the roads with median barriers, if a car breaks down or a truck has to pull over for a blown tyre, the lane is fully blocked.
    
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    June 19, 2022 1:36pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Looks like a van or a campervan. Head on with a truck. Very sad.
  
  The crash was on a bend. Most likely scenario is the van took the corner too fast and drifted into the path of the truck.
  
  My partner and I do many road trips. We frequently remind each other of the golden rule. “Stay on your side of the road.” And before you overtake, are you absolutely sure there is enough road? If not be patient.
  
  Unfortunately, New Zealand roads can be unforgiving of errors, and we are all fallible.
  
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  June 19, 2022 10:42am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    My practise on coutry roads is to drive on the left ignoring white lines that direct you to the centre. The most dangerous thing on the road is the idiot coming towards you. I see the drivers hugging the centre line and wonder how long before they meet each other there.
    
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    June 19, 2022 11:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      One of the most dangerous is the vehicle 3 ahead of you. Be prepared for that one to screw up
      
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      June 19, 2022 1:12pm
  - CJames
    
    A similar type accident happened on the Taupo Tokoroa stretch of SH1 a while ago. Killed the whole family plus the unfortunate coming the other way.
    The van had bald tyres, no WoF/ reg, seatbelts weren’t being worn, drive had no license, drugs in her system and not much sleep the night before. But according to the powers to be, the road was at fault.
    What is the likelihood this will be a similar type event?
    
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    June 19, 2022 1:40pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Let’s not
      
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      June 19, 2022 9:27pm
  - greybeard
    
    “Most likely scenario is the van took the corner too fast and drifted into the path of the truck.”
    Given the number of crashes in NZ involving trucks a more like scenario is that (a) the truck was speeding and (b) the driver was fatigued.
    
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    June 19, 2022 4:00pm
    - CJames
      
      According to the news, the van crossed the centre line. So that blows all your theories.
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/06/multiple-people-killed-in-crash-near-on-state-highway-1-near-picton.html
      Van was travelling north at 7:30 in the morning. Probably in a hurry to make the ferry.
      
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      June 19, 2022 5:30pm
oldfella

A little bit of light relief for KBers on a Sunday morning.
The US Week In Pictures – some laugh-out-loud cartoons plus jaw-dropping (genuine) headlines. Enjoy. 🙂
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/the-week-in-pictures-liberal-exhaustion-edition.php
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June 19, 2022 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There’s some good stuff on that
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:22pm
F E Smith

Everybody should read this article about the wrongful conviction of Alan Hall, and then realise that:

1. The Police refusing to meet their disclosure obligations (at the most basic levels) remains the biggest problem in the justice system today, including being the main reason for most of the delays; and
2. The attitude of the prosecution services (Police, Crown, Crown Law, MoJ) has not changed in any way: and
3. We only know about the wrongful convictions of people who have fought, generally with the assistance of their families. We know nothing about the wrongful convictions of those who have just given up; and
4. The Police are not obliged to do anything about their malfeasance.
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June 19, 2022 10:55am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Everyone should also reflect on the fact that the police force is more easily held to account than most institutions.
  
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  June 19, 2022 3:02pm
  - F E Smith
    
    Really? Can you explain how, please?
    
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    June 19, 2022 3:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Firstly, there are quite stringent mechanisms applied through the IPCA and the courts. Secondly, there is a very high public and media interest in the work of the police.
      These factors do not typically apply to other public agencies and, if they do apply, do not garner the same level of scrutiny. Plenty of state (and civil) institutions are able to do damage over years, even decades, without effective control. Think of boarding schools, psychiatric hospitals or prisons, for a few examples.
      
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      June 20, 2022 7:26am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    You jest. The police have the biggest PR resource in the country, are the most obstructive of OIA requests, and have the media dependent on them for half their stories.
    
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    June 19, 2022 4:34pm
kowtow

RNZ leading story about “misinformation”.

Scroll other stories , there’s one about the serjeant at arms with this sentence;

‘The mace is a symbol of the authority of Parliament.’

Here was me all these years thinking it was a symbol of the authority of the crown , not at all odd as there’s a whopping great crown on top of said mace.

And they talk about ‘misinformation”.
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June 19, 2022 11:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes, it symbolises that an elected parliament can only act with the permission of an unelected person with allegedly superior breeding.
  
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  June 19, 2022 3:45pm
I remember when

Does co-governance allow us to give serious thought to the possibility of a upper house again.
Is there a danger that we are getting bogged down with the negatives without thinking about other alternatives.
Something to slow down ill considered legislation and ensue better understanding by the public of the effects a bill.
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June 19, 2022 11:59am
- mikenmildagain
  
  There a plusses and minuses. Geoffrey Palmer called it the ‘fastest law in the west’, which some thought was okay when he and his mate Roger Douglas were making changes. And while there are benefits from a government being able to act decisively, there are also drawbacks, not the least of them being that parliaments composed mainly of lawyers always seem to think changing law is the right thing to do in response to any perceived problem.
  
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  June 19, 2022 3:50pm
  - chukar
    
    MM
    Actually they make new law ,in addition to the old law.
    More regulations. more cost more misery!
    
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    June 19, 2022 8:30pm
Aunty

Aren’t we lucky that we live in such a fine first-world country that has such strong, proud, and deep socialist roots that allows us to all equally share and prosper together as a nation?

I mean I’d just hate to live like they do in those long-suffering teaming Third World places like South East Asia and all that poverty. Just awful. We are so lucky we live in God’s Own Country. Everyone wants to live in new Zealand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn5CD6zZiaw
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June 19, 2022 12:06pm
- Pavel
  
  Is that where you went on holiday? Try walking down the back streets, if you’re even brave enough to.
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hRxW54wDRUY
  
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  June 19, 2022 3:03pm
Benedict Yu

Looks like NZTA is reviewing speed limits. This is probably justified as they have been frozen for 20 years.

The article I saw yesterday worryingly reported that they were considering linking fines to incomes. Idiotic. Apart from the high administration costs, it would let gang members aka beneficiaries off with trivial fines for dangerous driving.

FWIW these are the changes I would make.

Increase the speed limit on motorways to 120 but with a $300 fine for not keeping left unless passing. This is applied in most Australian states and Germany and it makes a huge difference to the safety of motorways.

I would then have the following regime.

Exceeding the limit by 1 – 10 kmh. $40 fine and 10 demerit points.

11 – 20 kmh. $100 fine and 30 demerit points.

21 – 30 kmh. $500 fine and 50 demerit points.

31 – 40 kmh. $1000 fine and 80 demerit points.

These changes would heavily skew higher penalties to excessive speeding.

Over 40 kmh. $3000 fine. Loss of licence for 12 months.

The final change I would make would be controversial. However it is grounded in reality. In most New Zealand passing lanes, you cannot pass a truck traveling at 90 kmh without exceeding 100 kmh. With a 10 kmh speed differential you will run out of passing lane. The best case scenario is that one car manages to pass with any following cars running out of lane, and risk colliding with the truck or with oncoming traffic.

I would therefore see the law changed to provide for an overtaking vehicle in a dedicated passing lane to overtake at up to 130 kmh provided that the vehicle does not exceed 100 kmh for more than 15 seconds. The police would still be able to issue an infringement notice if the overtaking was deemed dangerous, eg heavy rain, fog, etc.

Yes this would be controversial, but it would reflect what happens in the real world. Laws that bear no resemblance to reality are a waste of time.
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June 19, 2022 12:14pm
- kowtow
  
  Fines to income.
  
  That’s very Scandanavian , not at all part of our legal customs and traditions . Fuck ’em.
  
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  June 19, 2022 12:48pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Yes, not just trucks but the idiots that speed up to 100 for the passing lane then drop back to 80 as soon as it ends.
  
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  June 19, 2022 12:59pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    As soon as I reach a passing lane, I look in my mirror. If I think someone wants to pass, I slow down to make it as easy as possible for them to pass. Speeding up is criminally dangerous.
    
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    June 19, 2022 1:19pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Exactly, if someone wants to drive faster than me I want them in front of me asap and then we are both happy. Amazing how many that thought has never entered their heads.
      
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      June 19, 2022 2:09pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And the radar cop around the next bend will get them, not you.
        
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        June 19, 2022 8:45pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “And the radar cop around the next bend will get them, not you.”
        
        On a recent road trip, I was about to overtake a truck on a passing lane. I would have been doing about 125 when I passed the truck before slowing back down to 100. Just as I hit the accelerator, my radar detector went off. I eased off the gas and tucked in behind the truck.
        
        Sure enough, their was a police car with his radar on, right at the end of the passing lane. It is this type of idiocy that makes me lose respect for traffic police.
        
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        June 20, 2022 8:06am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Same here, slow down a lot if there are multiple cars behind me. I don’t like to be the one holding people up. It would help if others did as well.
      
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      June 19, 2022 5:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Motorists need to exceed the speed limit in order to quickly and safely overtake . I oppose blanket punishments and police lack of disretion , this has led to dangerous driving practises.
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:01pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Looks like NZTA is reviewing speed limits.”
  
  Apologies. They are reviewing speeding FINES.
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:14pm
- CJames
  
  Benedict in NZTA’s view, every road in the country should be no more than 80km/h. Only the plebs drive places. If you are a chosen one, you fly.
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:42pm
- rockape
  
  Your no fun !
  
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  June 19, 2022 4:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This might not work. Vid from an Australian Nurse about Covid, read out by I don’t know who. It’s MP4.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dumx37mzsbm4ueb/VID-20220618-WA0001.mp4?dl=0
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June 19, 2022 12:16pm
kevn

@SteveO… All makes sense. Not really a true vaccine either.
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June 19, 2022 12:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nothing that the nurse said could be challenged. Well composed, better than I could ever do.
  
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  June 19, 2022 1:27pm
Swifty

I wonder how many millions of dollars have been taken from the pockets of NZ families and given to the makers and crew of the movies ‘Whina’ and ‘Far North’ to keep them subsidised and shielded from market forces – unlike almost every other enterprise in the nation.

Movies , I might add, that most NZers will never watch.

It’s the hypocrisy of lefties that sickens me the most. On one hand they say that “any business that cannot pay a living wage doesn’t deserve to exist….” but on the other hand they happily support the taxpayer subsidisation of businesses that they personally support arguing that they are a special case.
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June 19, 2022 1:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But i read many, many times on Kiwiblog that anyone who opposed special laws and subsidies for the film industry was just a ‘hobbit hater’.
  
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  June 19, 2022 4:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    Why on earth would you think everyone here would hold the same views?
    
    That would be very silly.
    
    You’re not silly are you Mike?
    
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    June 19, 2022 6:06pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Whina Cooper seemed not a bad old coot compared with the Harawira mob.
  
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  June 19, 2022 4:39pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Dane Whina had MANA in the true sense of the word, humility and humour and was respected throughout NZ.
    
    Not like the clowns in Te Pati Maori and the Labour Caucus
    
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    June 19, 2022 6:21pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    She was a remarkable woman in so many ways.
    
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    June 19, 2022 8:28pm
Its only I

Just a side note:
Another gov/Labour party department has undergone a slight logo refresh.
Stuff has a new logo!

The Labour/stuff troll farm has lost its shyt over the Tauranga election results. Good to see!

Seems the Labour plan is to let the low grade MP’s fall away like a burning limb on a tree, lie about the reason for the results while distancing the head of Marketing from any nativity and creating pure fantasy around her, again. The poor, over worked, ill looking, dismal failure…..

Lets hope Labours pure fantasy meets reality like a Lada in a Russian dash-cam video during the next election cycle.
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June 19, 2022 2:39pm
Swifty

Footage from this year’s roar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcybVePw5Pg

South Island.
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