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NeverMindTheBollocks

The racism among British activists is appalling.

They accuse Britain of racism by sending African migrants to Rwanda.

You can form a view as to whether this is a good thing, but sending Africans to Africa cannot be racism.

All of those migrants travelled through EU countries before crossing the Channel. By definition they are destination shopping, rather than applying for asylum in the first safe country they come to.
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June 15, 2022 8:04am
- rouppe
  
  I thought they were sending Syrians.
  
  Still not a bad thing, but I believe they’re not all Sudanese
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:10am
- MCōs
  
  Far fewer migrants head for the UK than France, Germany or Spain.
  About half have family or friends already there. Others can speak a bit of English. Maybe they fancy cricket.
  I’ve been to the UK a few times. Once you get passed the better off areas it’s a pretty shitty country. You see those wretched souls stuffed into boats crossing the Channel and wonder what some of them are expecting & what desperate situations they left behind.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:45am
  - Jack5
    
    All that’s stopping NZ from being swamped with boat people is the Pacific Ocean.
    
    They’re reaching New Caledonia, so NZ better beef up its Navy and Air Force now, because we’re going to be in such economic strife from this year that border crashers will be hated.
    
    We don’t want to become as hostile to ethnicities among us as, say, Myanmar, is.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:54am
    - Nickc2
      
      No worries Jack, we’ll swamp them with Govt Paperwork so they’ll turn back before coming ashore.
      Their Vaccination Certificates will be out of date anyway because they’ve been in transit too long.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:03am
    - MCōs
      
      Did you know there are 14,000 illegal immigrants in NZ already, or overstayers as we call them?
      They don’t get social welfare, if that’s what you’re worried about.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:30am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Even if we assume that they are receiving no direct and formal assistance from the taxpayer, we have 14,000 illegals in the country (according to you) yet their presence is having no effect in anyway whatsoever? This is inconceivable.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:44pm
  - Cassandra
    
    A welfare system that is very generous.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:55am
    - MCōs
      
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      Unlike you, by the sounds.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:31am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        You put the queue jumpers and illegal migrants up at your place then MCos, since you are morally superior to those that may not want us to take upon their care.
        
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        June 15, 2022 12:44pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        What possible obligation do UK taxpayers have to foreigners who, just for starters, clearly have so little respect for the UK’s institutions, laws and people that they think it’s fine to get into the country illegally? The fault is with the UK government refusing to enforce the country’s laws, as well as handing out taxpayer funds and stretching infrastructure to breaking point, but the illegals have their own agency too. They are criminals, by definition.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:48pm
  - Liberty
    
    “Shitty country”
    Thats a bit of a generalization. It is true some parts of the UK are a bit shitty.
    That would also applys to some parts of New Zealand.
    
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    June 15, 2022 11:46am
- Thought Criminal
  
  The Brits are hoping this will demotivate the hundreds of people who arrive by boat each day.
  
  They have to do something to control their own borders because the French certainly won’t help.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    They’re doing what was advised by Tony Abbott (ex Aust PM) and worked for Aust.
    When Aust was under threat by illegals, they were coming via Indonesia and Indonesia turned a blind eye until their boats were turned around.
    Those who made it onto Aust shores were deported to other countries.
    However, with a Labor Govt now in power in Aust, the people smugglers have resumed their trade.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:56am
- Master Mariner
  
  One of Gadaffi’s famous quotes was ” If you dispose of me Europe will be awash of refugees”.
  How true that’s turned out.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:48am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Which is why Hillary and Barry got rid of him…. Gaddafi was trying to cuddle up to the West and the Democrats killed him….
    
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    June 15, 2022 11:10am
    - MCōs
      
      He was killed by his own people.
      
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      June 15, 2022 12:23pm
      - kowtow
        
        A few European air forces had more than a small part in it.
        
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        June 15, 2022 12:42pm
krazykiwi

Trust exists because of chains of trust. I trust that my pilot operates an aircraft that is safe. The pilot trusts that the airlines systems & procedures are safe. The airline trusts that regulating authorities like CAA enforce safety for all operators. If trust breaks down at the lower layers, that break of trust filters all the way to the top – to me.

I believe we’re in a situation like this today with the pharmachitical industry, and with the once-trustworthy regulators like the FDA and CDC. Here’s a great quote from Richard Horton, the Editor-in-Chief of the Lancet journal:

The history of medicine is littered with wonderful early results which over a period of time turn out to be not so wonderful – or in fact even adverse… there are a whole string of recent examples where preliminary data led to a lot of excitement and caused changes in clinical practice and then eventually we realised they had done more harm than good. Why is it we never learn these lessons?

Why indeed? It’s a good question.

There’s a good article on this here – The Crimes of the Pharmaceutical Industry.

When will the Covid ‘vaccine’ True Believers™ around here start to wake up?
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June 15, 2022 8:05am
- Scott
  
  Quite right krazy. It amazes me that this government is still to this day pushing the line that taking the vaccine and getting a booster will make you safe?
  It doesn’t make you safe. Everyone is getting covid, vaccine or no vaccine.
  
  And for most people covid is a mild illness. And the people who die are dying with covid, not of covid.
  Now they tell us!
  
  Given the lockdowns, the total cessation of society, I would expect to see bodies in the streets!
  But no, it’s all a damp squib.
  
  I’d like to see a searching enquiry about our covid response ; what difference did the vaccine actually make? Was the lockdown a massive overreaction? And is the vaccine actually safe?
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:16am
  - I remember when
    
    Why is there not more discussion on the apparent shortening of the period of efficacy for subsequent booster doses.
    What is the long term effect of continuing with more boosters for future variants.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:43am
    - alloytoo
      
      Why are the press not asking one simple question.
      
      “Why are we advocating the ongoing use (by way of boosters) of an obsolete vaccine designed for Covid Alpha?
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:01am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Because, although we may speculate as to the real reasons and end goals, the stated reasons for vaccination are not supported by logic, nor does the mass of empirical data vis a vis Covid itself, nor the vaccine data support the narratives. The claim is that “black is white, despite the evidence of your senses, and despite the meaning of these contrary concepts.” Essentially, it is an observable fact that, despite verifiably very low Covid-harm, verifiable non-existent vaccine efficacy, and clear unanswered questions as to vaccine safety, both the “Covid-as-threat” and “vaccination-as-remedy”official narratives persist. Why?
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:56pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Bluntly, the “long term effect of continuing with more boosters” is fewer humans.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:58am
  - tf78
    
    There has been more suicides than Covid deaths since March 2020, but you don’t read about that do you.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:24am
- cmm
  
  Trust is one part of it. The other is the gaslighting of anyone that does not drink the Kool-Aid.
  
  Question the vaccine in any way and you’re immediately labelled as an anti-science Luddite flat-earther.
  
  Gaslighting is, of itself, the complete antithesis of the scientific method which places evidence ahead of hubris.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:17am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Quite. Yesterday I engaged in a conversation on a LikedIn post by a trusted friend. He is medical specialist. One of the other commentators was a cardio thoracic surgeon. This person made the comment along the lines that New Zealand had done ‘so well because of the governments swift containment actions.’ I would normally trust that credentialed people like this would at least be across the facts. But no, he was spouting nonsense. Both New Zealand and Australia get the treatment in this article in The Spectator – Yet more ‘vaccine success’. Look at those comparison charts. Our zero-Covid madness has us leading the infection and mortality rates competition.
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:27am
    - glowworm
      
      The complexities around COVID, the vaccines and the evolution of the virus require deep understanding in many fields. Most medical specialists tend to not have this required base knowledge, as far as I can tell. They overly simplify a very complex, dynamic situation with lots of moving parts and feedback loops.
      
      Like me (as an engineering specialist) we can know a lot (and even be considered world experts) on our very narrow fields of interest. In other words, specialisation can make us stupid. For example, my general knowledge is pretty mediocre…
      
      In terms of COVID, specialists would be wise to generalise and attempt to use their base training to better understand hypothesises made by people like Dr Geert Vanden Bossche.
      
      https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/predictions-gvb-on-evolution-c-19-pandemic
      
      I understand complex systems as part of my engineering training. Geert reminds me, and speaks like my professor, who was the main reason for my decision to get higher qualifications and become an ‘expert’.
      
      Unfortunately, his predictions are dire for highly vaccinated countries like NZ…
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:50am
      - mawm
        
        The immune system is unfortunately not designed by an engineer. It is a complex system that is as yet not fully understood and even that which is, like any scientific theory, may be erroneous. The advancements in discovery at both a cellular and molecular level, their functions and interactions, and an understanding of all this has been immense and most of these will probably have occurred since the time any of those medical specialists were required to study immunology. Vanden Bossche is a veterinarian who has specialised in vaccinology, virology and epidemiology.
        
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        June 15, 2022 12:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is getting on for nearly 50 years since I studied any virology… but somehow the limited amount I studied was enough to convince me that our experts pontificating about Coronavirus infection from frozen-food packages was a load of b.s. spin.
        https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/new-zealand-baffled-by-new-covid-19-cases-eyes-frozen-food-packaging/.
        
        Howeer, I know Ill never be able to persuade the authorities down at the pool that no respiratory virus is going to survive in that chlorinated environment…so I duly wear my mask in and out of the place.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    How much Pfizer money will find its way into re-election funds of Political Parties around the world who poured Govt money into the purchase of their products and continue to do so?
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:45am
    - krazykiwi
      
      How much? Quite a bit it would appear:
      
      All we know is that in 2020, more than two-thirds of Congress — 72 senators and 302 House of Representatives members — cashed a campaign check from a pharma company.
      
      The linked article (from last week) is a must read for anyone who retains the even the slightest respect for pharmaceutical companies.
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:17am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Speaking of Pfizer… Pfizer doll out now, comes free when you get your child boosted. All at once funny and horrific.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:10pm
- Pavel
  
  If you have been jabbed why would you want to read anything negative about the vaccine? Once you’re jabbed you have to believe in the jab because you can’t unjabb yourself.
  Take a look at Justin Beiber and his wife. She has had loads of blood clots and now half of Justin’s face is paralyzed, but it is nothing to do with the jab even though they don’t know what caused it. They won’t say anything about the jab, not even mention it. As the whole vaccine has proven; it’s far easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:22am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I think you’re right to an extent. No one wants to stand out from a crowd by having a mistake pointed out. But when the entire crowd works out they’ve been duped then anger usually starts to boil over. I’m not sure if this will happen in respect of these injectables, but I’ve observed an increasing willingness for people – including some medical professionals previously swept along – to start asking some probing question of those who have led us here.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:31am
    - alloytoo
      
      I’ve had this conversation with a few people as well, who have decided not to get boosted based on information received subsequent to their initial vaccination.
      
      I’m in the same boat, my decision to get the vaccine was based on my age and attendant health risks. Having had Omicron and based on subsequent information received, I am uncertain if I would make the same decision. I’m certainly not going to get boosted with an obsolete vaccine.
      
      I’m also convinced that the risk for a healthy child of catching Covid is less than the chances of adverse vaccine event. (same cannot be said for childhood ailments we vaccinate against.)
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:08am
    - Master Mariner
      
      A little Ironic that there are Shingles adds on TV now ?
      The cynical in me suggests so.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:50am
      - GazzaW
        
        The shingles ads have been on TV for at least three or four years and the shots are free for 65 year olds. The regular cost is about $75. My partner had shingles four years ago – it struck in the nerves around the temple and ear and for two years the pain was excruciating. That experience made me get the shot, shingles is not something that you would wish on your worst enemy.
        
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        June 15, 2022 1:38pm
  - glowworm
    
    There is definitely a social aspect here. I think there is increasingly a bifurcation between ones public statements and their personal thoughts… especially, if after getting boosted, you then get quite bad COVID and/or blood clots and/or an aggressive cancer reappear… I have friends/family where all of the above have now occurred. So there will always be that niggling question in the depths of one’s thoughts…
    
    I happened to be in a position, unrelated to COVID (… well, I think it was unrelated…), where I was able to attend the protest for short periods for 21 of the 23 days.
    
    I was there, as a witness, at the first set of arrests and saw first hand, and up close, into the eyes of the kids that make up our police force.
    
    And I was there for the free shower! Thanks Trev! The protest evoked all the emotions, sometimes at the same time, until the last few hours/days when it was clear it was no longer a safe place…
    
    Over those days, I made new friends and connections and I talked with and helped many of the protesters. These were people I would normally never have associated with otherwise – not in 100 years. Yet, we shared more in common than I’d anticipated.
    
    An interesting observation was that many were dealing with unfortunate luck/circumstance in their lives – prior to the pandemic (there were many stories of personal grief, past accidents, victims of serious crime, or just plain bad genes…).
    
    Because of this, I think the governments COVID theatre didn’t have quite the same impact on people like us.
    
    For me, my story is ongoing and private, but I did spend 12 hours in the Wellington ED in September last year. Although I have nothing for comparison (apart from several kids broken bones), I can say that it was a hell of a crazy day and a real eye-opener and there is definitely either a staff shortage at that hospital, or I timed a very, very, very bad day…
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:07pm
- Lee C
  
  Never KK: because:
  “There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be “the man in the street.” Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.” (Goebbels)
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I thought that was from Ardern’s Comms team, I didn’t realise they had plagiarised it.
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:28am
    - cas
      
      We watch a lot of programmes on the History channel and have always remarked that Goebbels and his Ministry of Propaganda must have been compulsory studies for the university of Waikato degree in communications which I believe Jacinda has.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:16am
      - curry4me
        
        Back in the day, ‘The Nazis’ was one of several topics in 6th form history. Also Italian Unification.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:05pm
- Ross Campbell
  
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  Another day and your still obsessing on the same old topic.
  I know the weather is not good but try and get out and clear your head as raging over Covid vaccines all day is destroying your mental health.
  Maybe try volunteering in the community at your Local Rainbow Youth Charity or something and meet new people.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:33am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Obsessing? Perhaps.
    
    But I do so because I care.
    
    I care for the health of people who have taken this unproven therapy and I want to stop other people from making the same mistake.
    
    I care because people who didn’t want to take this unproven therapy were bullied by a state that flexed hitherto unobserved authoritarian muscles.
    
    I care because apologists like you, Ross, think all this is just fine.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:09am
    - kowtow
      
      I wouldn’t bother dignifying the troll with the courtesy of a reply.
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:39am
      - curry4me
        
        I don’t bother replying to trolls either. I pursue this policy regardless of their position, or occasional post which makes sense.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:06pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      “You care for the health of the people who have taken this unproven therapy”.
      Sounds very similar to the arguments used by religious door knockers and other people who think it is their duty to educate others and make them finally see the light.
      Most people who have taken the vaccine don’t need you and others to be concerned about them as they are happy with their decision.
      Likewise you are happy with yours and don’t need me to worry about you, hence why I don’t.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:08am
    - cjn
      
      You can’t get your old parent into a retirement village unless he or she has been vaccinated against COVID 19. How right is that?
      
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      June 15, 2022 7:05pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ross – yes because the greatest medical malfeasance in history is such a boring topic, let’s just move on….. Nothing to see here?
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:19am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Unfortunately just because you repeat the same thing over and over it does not make it true.
      It probably makes you feel alot better but that is a different story.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:12am
      - Liberty
        
        How many times did Dear Leader stand at the podium of truth? An give her daily rant/lie on the tricky virus.
        
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        June 15, 2022 12:01pm
  - RightNow
    
    Look, squirrel!
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:28am
  - I remember when
    
    Ross, but we all know that covid action has been the illustration of a growing communications problem.
    The lessening of serious debate.
    The muddying of the waters so that everyone follows instructions without argument.
    A reason to suggest that any argument is misinformation, any argument is conspiracy theory, aluminium hat territory.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:08am
  - Surely Knott
    
    I guess when your bill of rights is breached, and you’ve been made a 2nd class citizen by the PM it takes a while to get over. Plus it’s not over. Many industries still mandated. Totalitarian pandemic laws still in place. Masks and daily propaganda still full steam ahead.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:34am
- glowworm
  
  It’s not just the pharmaceutical industry.
  
  I recently read this interesting article. The author thinks we are currently living in a dark age, and have been for many, many years!…
  
  https://steve-patterson.com/our-present-dark-age-part-1/
  
  His first few points resonate well with my recent thinking (as an overly qualified ‘expert’ myself…).
  
  1. Intellectuals have greatly underestimated the complexity of the world.
  
  2. Specialization has made people stupid.
  
  I also agree with him that engineering tends to have been the exception.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:45am
  - I remember when
    
    Increased specialized knowledge is likely to reduce general knowledge.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:10am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thanks for that, And too continue,
    
    4. The methods of scientific inquiry have been conflated with the processes of academia.
    
    And the best one,
    
    5. Academia has been corrupted by government and corporate funding.
    
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    June 15, 2022 11:18am
- peterwn
  
  However there is a fine balancing act here. Consider the soccer team rescue from that cave in Thailand. An Australian doctor/diver had a key part in the rescue. He drugged the boys so they could be safely pulled through a flooded cave. It was a risky procedure as there was a significant risk some of the boys would not survive the process. If there was risk aversion the boys would die. The Thai Government had to grant immunity against lawsuits/ prosecution if any of the boys died or were permanently injured (the Thai government would probably be in a better position to do this than the Australian, NZ, USA etc governments).
  Now coming back to Covid. It was an emergency situation. Vaccination decisions were about minimising the death toll, not about ensuring vaccines were 100% safe. So the manufacturers, health agencies, regulatory agencies, etc worked together to get vaccines out to the best of their abilities. So given that situation the company chiefs cannot be held to ‘strict liability’ if the vaccine adversely affects a few people.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:59am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I think you’re deluded here for a few reasons:
    1. It was always a manufactured emergency given the very early knowledge that the mortality profile mirrored existing ILIs.
    2. These agencies didn’t ‘work together’. The massive influence of the Big Pharma has captured regulatory authorities, and saw governments bullied into making grants and liability concessions on a never before seen scale
    3. The ‘vaccine’ has not adversely affected “a few people”. Link .
    4. Honest critique of the risks and responses have been suppressed, and the media paid off to sideline any off-narrative voices.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:00am
    - I remember when
      
      Is that bump under the mattress money.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:14am
      - mawm
        
        kk – the staged releases of the Pfizer data, although slow and chaotic in manner, are beginning to show a picture of pharmaceutical malfeasance, fraudulently manipulated results, hiding adverse reactions and claims that are the opposite to the evidence. This is criminal and huge numbers of people have died or have life altering side effects. Pfizer, and the others, and their accomplices should be fully investigated and prosecuted.
        
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        June 15, 2022 12:59pm
    - peterwn
      
      Hindsight is a great thing. The moral here is to play safe – just do not take any risks. You will not be thanked for it if you take risks. Not taking risks undeservedly won Jacinda an election.
      
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      June 15, 2022 11:08am
      - mawm
        
        The risks to our health and the damage caused by these vaccines and her non-pharmaceutical measures are going to ensure that Jacinta will go down in infamy.
        
        “Primum non nocere” – forcing people to have a novel “vaccine” that has by any standards not had sufficient testing is not playing it safe: it is being reckless with other people lives.
        
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        June 15, 2022 1:05pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        The moral here is to play it safe and not take any risks. That is a false representation as you are saying getting covid was the only risk and ignoring the risk of Taking a novel mRNA gene vaccine only partially approved. And the unknown risks were is why medsafe , the govts own medical safety agency, didn’t fully approve it! Because there is no long term data and it hasn’t been through a full approval process. So the govt is forcing you to take a vaccine that it won’t put its own stamp of approval on, because of the risks. There are two risks the risk of the Vaccine and the risk of omicron. And the risk of omicron to most young people is a mild three day cold.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:56pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        The moral here is to play it safe and not take any risks. That is a false representation as you are saying getting covid was the only risk and ignoring the risk of Taking a novel mRNA gene vaccine only partially approved. And the unknown risks were is why medsafe , the govts own medical safety agency, didn’t fully approve it! Because there is no long term data and it hasn’t been through a full approval process. So the govt is forcing you to take a vaccine that it won’t put its own stamp of approval on, because of the risks. There are two risks the risk of the Vaccine and the risk of omicron. And the risk of omicron to most young people is a mild three day cold. You had a right to weigh those risks for your own family but not mine.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:58pm
      - Hebe123
        
        And that’s why I didn’t take the jab. The risk of covid was clearly next to nothing while the risk from the jab was significant. This was KNOWN at the beginning of our rollout but they lied.
        
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        June 15, 2022 6:30pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Exactly peterwn, which was what sane people were saying from the beginning. You can’t produce a safe vaccine in such a short time. Average is 8 years. No matter how much money you throw at it.
        
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        June 15, 2022 9:53pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    That’s how I see it too PW.
    In the Salvage Industry we call it “Best Endeavours” and agree to Lloyds Open form which basically insulates you if things go pear shaped. No Cure No pay.
    I blogged briefly about this previously.
    The Pharma Industry got all Governments to sign a Disclaimer to that effect, However all claims fall on Governments ie ACC here in NZ. Along with this comes “Due Dillegence” from NZ authorities.
    The real issue in my mind was the Lack of information and timely response when things were NOT as they appeared.
    Herein lies Culpability and clearly a Major Investigation or Royal Commision is warranted.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:15am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    peterwn
    Measured reasonable comments on Covid are not welcome on KB.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:17am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Why are you here?
      And why are you assuming that all posters (or readers) think the same?
      I find it really odd how a few people come here just to stalk selected people and then seem to bag the whole site and community.
      Yes, some people are monotonous with their posts/topics.
      Trump and Vaccines
      Vaccines and Trump.
      Scroll past, but even more importantly, STFU.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:06pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    The comparison is not similar. In Thailand the govt gives indemnity so the rescuers aren’t liable. But no one lied about the risks of the situation for the boys (they will die if they stay there) or the risks of the rescue (risky). The parents , fully informed, agreed to the risks and agreed for the kids to be rescued.
    
    In Nz , they grossly exaggerated the risks of the virus. They showed people dropping dead on the streets of china and unvaxxed people on ventilators and counted all deaths regardless of cause with the virus as a covid death to hype the numbers. They then indemnified Pfizer. And forced the vaccine on the public by banning them from social activities , travel and employment . They also downplayed any serious risks of the vaccine. Safe and effective. All vaccines are very safe.
    
    And they grossly exaggerated its ability to stop spread (which turned out to be virtually nil) which was the only public interest justification. “95percent effective” “. Protect your whanau” “95percent to reach herd immunity”
    
    The virus is now widely spread in highly vaxxed Nzers which proves it didn’t stop spread.
    
    Finally they demonised people who chose not to take it daily. Two classes of people yip yip.
    
    There is no justification in my opinion it was tyrannical, anti democratic , and ugly.
    
    The Thai rescuers are heros. Our pandemic response and particularly mandates were illegal and unjustified in a democratic society.
    
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    June 15, 2022 2:38pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – relevant to your post, what we used to call experts are now those who have been bought and paid for, stupidity doesn’t cover it.
  
  URGENT ALERT: Virologists issue urgent new Monkeypox warning about …. racism
  ALARM DEATH DEATH ALARM VIRUS DEATH ALARM VIRUS DEATH ALARM
  
  https://www.eugyppius.com/p/urgent-alert-virologists-issue-urgent?utm_medium=reader2
  
  How can science be “woke” ffs? It’s either science or it isn’t.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:45am
  - alloytoo
    
    “Woke” science is by definition unfalsifiable.
    
    Therefor isn’t.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Love his closing para:
    
    Word games aren’t going to stop Monkeypox, but a two-week moratorium on gay sex just might. Why is nobody suggesting we give that a try? It was fine to close most of society for months on end, to condemn our elderly relatives to die alone, and to socially isolate our children to the point of depression, so this should be a total no-brainer. Somebody get Neil Ferguson to fire up his models and tell gay men when they can plan on banging again.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:12am
    - alloytoo
      
      As with HIV, any sexually transmitted disease, this is about behavior and habits.
      
      Those in stable monogamous relationships should be fine.
      
      Of course we could just fire up a smallpox vaccine programme targeting those most at risk.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:37am
Simon

Russia winning the war bigly. Economically and militarily. The woke Neo-libs running the post-West are losing the war as badly as you would expect.

Recall all the neo-lib globalists crowing about the Russian military not driving to Kiev inside of 48 hours. How this meant the Russians were losing. If you pointed out it was a military tactic not to create a salient and instead advance on a slow broad front you were accused of being a Putin stooge.

Just think a little and learn from your mistakes. And look at who is in charge of the post-West they just can’t beat Russia / China alliance.
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June 15, 2022 8:12am
- James Stephenson
  
  You’re deluded if you think that Russia’s initial aim wasn’t to dash to Kiev, remove the government and install a puppet. They transparently didn’t have the right military to achieve that aim, even if their training and maintenance had been up to snuff.
  
  They’ve been forced by a combination of Ukrainian tenacity and modern western weapon systems to give up on that and try to grind out something that they can claim as a victory in the “disputed territories” in the East.
  
  I’m sure you’ll tell us it was always in the plan to drag obsolete tanks out of storage because your latest ones had been NLAWed despite the hastily Heath-Robinsoned “cope cages”.
  
  Yeah, I know, superfluous words after the first two.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:19am
- All_on_Red
  
  Looks like hard going for the Russians at the moment Comrade https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-13
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:44am
Benedict Yu

” The marae defended by flood walls: How mātauranga Māori can prepare us for the coming storm”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300593283/the-marae-defended-by-flood-walls-how-mtauranga-mori-can-prepare-us-for-the-coming-storm

So this marae in East Cape is being flooded because of climate change? The article presents no data to demonstrate that rainfall in East Cape is increasing, or that extreme weather events are more common or dangerous now than 10, 20, or 50 years ago. The article interviews a local guy who tells us that the area was a paradise back in the day, but now it is drowning. The article then pivots to a long account about how Maori Science will save us from climate change.

NIWA maintains a database of severe weather events going back to the 1870s. There are 78 extreme floods on record that have affected Gisborne, many causing death and destruction. This is an example from 1948.

https://hwe.niwa.co.nz/event/May_1948_North_Island_Storm

The theme of this article is that Maori in East Cape are being threatened by extreme rainfall caused by climate change. The journalist fails to present any evidence that shows that extreme rainfall events are more threatening now than 100 years ago.

So what could explain this assertion that the East Cape is going to be inundated? The answer is that people have short memories. I checked the data. Gisborne (and the East Cape) had extreme rainfall events in November 2021 and March 2022.

https://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/locations/gisborne/past-weather

When the guy talks about his Marae being flooded recently, it is most likely that he will be referring to these two events. However when you go back to the 2020/2021 year, Gisborne had below average rainfall.

Also, looking at the NIWA database, extreme weather events were MORE dangerous historically than today. Many people died. There are two reasons. Today infrastructure is more resilient. But critically we have much better weather forecasts. We usually have plenty of time to get people out of harms way. But I guess that would have been a boring story. 🤡
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June 15, 2022 8:13am
- pdm
  
  BY – I have a question.
  
  Did that Marae flood in the 1920’s, 1930’s 1940’s 1950’s or 1960’s?
  
  I will bet you `$1 to a pinch of goat shit’ that it did more than once in all of those decades.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:22am
  - Cassandra
    
    And the 1820s and 1620s.
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:25am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I am sure. I am a bit of a weather geek. A while back my partner was telling me how when she was a child growing up on the West Coast, the summers were dryer and warmer than now.
    
    The good thing with weather is that there is excellent data. I looked at the weather records for Westport back to 1960. There were wet summers and dry simmers, but there was no discernible trend that showed the summer in the 60s and 70s were consistently different than today.
    
    There is an explanation for people thinking the summer was better in the old days. People remember good times. So you are more likely to remember summer days at the beach than summer days stuck inside in the rain.
    
    As an aside, one reason I am cautious about the efficacy of Maori Science is that it was all passed down orally. Which is very unreliable. If we had no weather records, everyone would accept my partner telling them that the West Coast was warm and sunny in the 1970s. 😀
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:35am
    - krazykiwi
      
      If you’re a weather geek, I recommend https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com. Paul is a terrific researcher and does a great job of fisking evidence-free climate claims.
      
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      June 15, 2022 8:47am
    - oc35
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRvUUDYomII
      
      Says it all
      
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      June 15, 2022 3:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Marae is next to the Hikuwai River… The Main building was built in the 1930s.
    
    It was inundated with silt and flood waters in 1953, 1968,1988, 2005..at least.
    
    The community has been trying to save the Marae for at least 20 years..
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tiny-community-launches-appeal-to-save-marae/CCJF2EKWT5QCALRHB7OQKHDTMI/
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:44am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Maggy I would have thought that Māori science would have suggested they move the site or even build it elsewhere in the first place. Can’t understand it.
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think it is a colonial construct to have permanent habitations.
        
        Ye ancient Maori wasn’t in the habit of erecting edifices that endured for centuries.
        
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        June 15, 2022 9:50am
    - alloytoo
      
      Does Maori Science have a word for “Flood Plain?”
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:13am
    - Swifty
      
      Doesn’t say much for their ‘knowledge system’ does it.
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:29am
    - backster
      
      Didn’t Robertson provide millions of dollars borrowed money from the fund to cure Covid to update marae. What happened to their share?
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:33am
- cmm
  
  Two things that leap out to me here:
  
  1) If building flood walls is really part of Maori historical knowledge then that flooding happened long before the the industrial revolution that started all the coal burning that supposedly causes all the climate change and thus climate change induced flooding. So the only thing we can conclude is that the flooding is not new.
  
  2) C’mon, calling this Maori Knowledge is bullshit. Every vaguely competent people have made earthworks at some point to control the flow of water. There is evidence of this going back many thousands of years – before Maori even existed.
  
  Calling this Maori knowledge just because Maori were also aware of it is nonsense. What next? Is breathing Maori Knowledge?
  
  It is incredibly patronising to hold this up as an example of Maori knowledge.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:31am
  - graham
    
    Yep. I read one part in the article which said:
    
    By virtue of the fact that Māori have occupied Aotearoa for generations, layers of knowledge have been built and accumulated through observation, analysis and the sheer need to survive.
    
    “So just on that basis alone, mātauranga Māori must be part of the solution,” says Morrison.
    
    So “mātauranga Māori” is, in fact, simple observation and experience. There’s nothing particularly “Maori” about that. My English wife, some years ago, tried to tell the professionals who were converting a piece of land next to us into a reserve that where they were placing the drains wouldn’t work because of the water table. They didn’t listen of course, but turned out she was correct. Because she had lived there for years and observed.
    
    That’s not “mātauranga Māori” or “Maori Knowledge”; it’s keeping your eyes open, being observant, and learning from experience.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:12am
    - rouppe
      
      And it’s not as though other cultures hadn’t observed and adapted before Maori.
      
      It’s like saying “Maori observed that if you stand out in the rain you get wet” therefore that’s Maori knowledge when in fact everyone knows that already
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:41am
    - Matt Long
      
      Yes experience and local knowledge, I can tell council contractors that what they’re doing isn’t going to work, they agree with me and say it’s stupid, however the council engineers set the design and scope of work so another failed “solution” is put in place.
      We should certainly respect local Iwi knowledge on the same basis.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:59am
    - Jack5
      
      As quoted by poster Graham (9.12): ….By virtue of the fact that Maori have occupied Aotearoa for generations, layers of knowledge have been built and accumulated through observation, analysis and the sheer need to survive.
      
      How could you accumulate serious data, even meaningfully record “observation and analysis,” when you didn’t have a written language?
      
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      June 15, 2022 3:08pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        What is te reo for SQL?
        
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        June 15, 2022 5:56pm
  - Phronesis
    
    I’ve never heard a single example of maori knowledge that was both; a) unique to maori and b) true.
    
    (The true bits aren’t new and the new bits aren’t true)
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:28am
  - rockape
    
    I think the Dutch did it so much better.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:30am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yea, it lends credence to the story about the little boy poking his finger into the Dyke to hold back a flood. These days, the little boy would be charged with unwanted sexual penetration eh?
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:42am
    - kowtow
      
      Talking of which the only record of Tasman’s encounter at what he called Murderer’s bay comes from the Dutch side .
      Wonders how that fits in with ;
      
      ‘By virtue of the fact that Māori have occupied Aotearoa for generations, layers of knowledge have been built and accumulated through observation, analysis and the sheer need to survive.’
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:08am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The locals were wiped out by other iwi, thereby expunging the layers of knowledge so carefully built up.
        
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        June 15, 2022 5:57pm
- emmess
  
  Coming storm?
  We are heading in to a severe recession, possibly worse where central banks and governments are completely out of bullets, and the mainstream media are imagining some bad weather decades from now.
  Out of touch, much?
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:43am
- Stellaboxer
  
  BYU you seem surprised at the lack of back up evidence in this piece. The authors of such nonsense are not interested in evidence they just put out this crap for the consumption of the choir who need constant reinforcement of sermon. They know their intended audience will never check a single fact or even question a single claim and they’re certainly not interested in converting the likes of you and I. It’s just designed to allow the reader to remain comfortable with their received opinions and cheering the correct team. IMHO
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:02am
- peterwn
  
  Alleged ‘climate change’ is one of the consequences of Colonisation. If there was no Colonisation of New Zealand then there would be no ‘climate change’.
  
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  June 15, 2022 3:03pm
Swifty

After the recent cabinet purge does anyone feel the slightest twinge of sympathy for Phil Twyford? Once a heavy hitter but still outside of cabinet and going through the motions to maintain his profile and relevancy.

I ask this as the decision to target 100,000 Kiwibuild houses was not his alone, it was a team policy and objective, but because he failed to deliver it he got the boot in order to protect Ardern.

My personal opinion? Yeah nah.
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June 15, 2022 8:15am
- Paulus
  
  Did I not hear that Twyford is in Austria on a doodee!
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:36am
  - rouppe
    
    Yes, all the non nuclear nations are going too scold the nuclear nations.
    
    If he wants to be effective he should travel to eastern Ukraine and scold the Russian commanders there about disarmament.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:49am
Maggie Pie

New Police Minister Chris Hipkins comes out swinging.
Immediately identifies problem with inherited Portfolio….

“It’s due to 9 long years of neglect by the previous National government”

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1536608176467955712
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June 15, 2022 8:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Hipkins, combining his Minister of Education hat with his degree in criminology, said he saw education as crucial to helping young people avoid a life of crime.”
  
  How is that working out for him? In the last five years education attendance and achievement have worsened. 🤡
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:21am
  - pdm
    
    BY – the first mistake Hipkins made as Education Minister was disestablishing Charter Schools.
    
    Mind you he did have to obey his masters The Education Unions.
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:27am
    - Nickc2
      
      ….and his mother.
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:18am
- Cassandra
  
  That “neglect” includes 3 Strikes which this pathetic pack of onanists has scrubbed! And in their 4 years the neglect has been overcome by, wait for it, Poto F Williams!
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:28am
- Lance
  
  Good grief, on ZB this morning with Mark Mitchel, Hipkins droned on and on about it’s all Nationals fault, they vastly reduced police numbers blaa blaa blaa. Mark pointed out that if his sole solution was to blame National for the crime wave then he will make a poor job of Police minister and the public will continue to suffer.
  Attack, attack and attack some more, the lefty playbook for covering up gross incompetency.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What he said on TV One news last night was
  
  “Under the previous Government, we saw them closing police stations because the police just didn’t have enough money.”
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/14/new-police-minister-chris-hipkins-comes-out-swinging-at-critics/
  
  He seems to be unaware that the previous Government was the Labour-NZ First Coalition Government.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:32am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That aside, it is this theme that spending money equals success. It is crap. Imagine if a business measured success by maximising its expenses. 🤡
    
    The Ministry of Education is 20 percent bigger and more expensive than 5 years ago. In that time, the performance of the education system has declined. I rest my case.
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:40am
  - Ehlana
    
    “He seems to be unaware”. And in “she seems to be unaware” and you’ve pretty much covered this entire government – and the last one.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:51am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Jesus-h-christ – Labour still using that line even after 5 years in govt and they are still blaming the previous? they really need a new excuse for their lack of results.
  Another F for Fail Labour.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:02am
  - Tricati
    
    If Labour think using the 9 years of neglect as a response to the current lawless environment and their incompetence to deal with it, is a fools approach.
    With the blinkers starting to come off many of Ardern’s followers, coupled with the high number of failed Labour initiatives (eg Kiwibuild), people will see it for what it is – Total distraction from Labour’s inability to deal with any issue, other than to make noise.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:14am
  - rouppe
    
    Five Years of Failure
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  National increased police numbers by about 10% and most critically saw about a 30% reduction in crime during their term – results matter!!
  
  Labour have increased number of active criminals (gangs) by at least 50% and crime is shooting up even if they have increased police numbers by 10-20%. It is very telling that most reporting on crime stats appears to have gone MIA from govt websites.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:01am
Frank the tank

It appears to me St Ash is about to get thrown under the bus. It appears the feckless have gone from sycophantic to critical in the past month.

Perhaps I was wrong he was going to pop onto the Labour list in 2023.
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June 15, 2022 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  St Ash is far from the competent person he has been painted.
  
  He seems to have left Health in a mess; he definitely wasn’t very good with communicating with folks in his Ministry.
  He lied to the public and his Ministers about the Labs having enough capacity…
  He closed down any contrary views coming from his ministry.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/pcr_testing_rapid_review_final_-_jr_v2.pdf
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/covid-testing-failures-outlined-in-new-report
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:20am
Cassandra

Graham Hart donated just under $15,000 to NZ First, as did his son and son in law ie $45,000 total. From a fortune of $12 billion. Makes my $50 (from quite a bit less than 12 billion) to ACT seem positively generous.
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June 15, 2022 8:23am
- Nickc2
  
  So what? I might too if I had their money. I certainly wouldn’t donate to any Party aligned in any way to Labour.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:08am
ClanMcleod

The Babylon Bee strikes again!

Study Shows That Kids Who Are Home Schooled Could Miss Out On Opportunity To Be A Gay Communist-

“Studies show that while homeschooled kids may excel in advanced mathematics, literature, history, Latin, debate, civics, religion, music, art, theoretical physics, and physical fitness, most kids educated by their parents fall woefully short in essential subjects like Communism and being gay.”

Damn, turns out it’s satire…..
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June 15, 2022 8:25am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  So I take it you were not home schooled then…
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike?
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:06am
  - graham
    
    Whoosh …
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    No Ross I went to school when they still actually focused on educational matters, subjects as per most of the list above, including Latin which I didn’t enjoy. No, it’s only been the last 2 decades that have seen the slow decline of the education system under the control of woke libtards. The future isn’t looking very flash.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:27am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Not just the last 2 decades. I know from family experience that during the 1990s’s there was a year of slippage in maths teaching – 7th formers in 1999 were at least a year behind 1989 students. And I remember from working through old exams for scholarship that there had been similar slippage during the 1980’s.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:10am
    - graham
      
      I wonder if one problem is that the idiots in charge tend not to place great value on subjects that *they* *personally* don’t have any experience of?
      
      “Well I’ve never used algebra/calculus/biology/whatever in my career, so obviously it isn’t important!”
      
      Many years ago I was chatting to my daughter’s primary school teacher, and she was fascinated to hear that not only did I understand the binary numbering system, but I actually use it on an almost daily basis in my job, along with Boolean operations such as AND/OR/XOR. To this teacher, it was something she taught but never imagined anybody would actually use it. I think it opened her eyes …
      
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      June 15, 2022 11:44am
    - curry4me
      
      You are right. In 1970, NZ was in the top three countries for educational standards. Now we’d be lucky to be in the top 30.
      
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      June 15, 2022 2:19pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Ross, you stick to your volunteer work at your local Rainbow Youth Charity. It’s obviously an interest that tickles your fancy. To each his/ her/ their own.
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:59am
    - Matt Long
      
      Wasn’t there a Labour MP named Hughes who also had an interest in helping out rainbow youth?
      A friend of Ross’ perhaps?
      
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      June 15, 2022 11:03am
      - zulumonster
        
        “Wasn’t there a Labour MP named Hughes who also had an interest in helping out rainbow youth?”
        I don’t think he was too fussy about whether they were “rainbow” or not tbh …
        
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        June 15, 2022 12:36pm
- emmess
  
  Woofters of the world unite
  You have nothing to gain but your whips and chains
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Satire? That’s the Bee for ya!
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:06am
- alloytoo
  
  Today it’s satire.
  
  Tomorrow……
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:16am
Blog-aholic

Last nights TV3 news Isobell Ewing speaking about the Government. Slip of the tongue maybe but she said “Denier Mahuta”.

I kid you not I rewound the sky and listened and yep it came out as Denier so there you have it a Freudian slip winner.

As the dictionary states a Freudian slip is: an unintentional error regarded as revealing subconscious feelings…..I’ll leave that there…..
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June 15, 2022 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Type ‘Denier Mahuta’ into the google machine and it takes you to Dr Muriel Newman. NZCPR.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:12am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

I see where they’re saying our new Minister-of-Broadcasting, Willie Jackson, is being tipped to lead an investigation into the ‘Kamahl Santamaria/TVOne Breakfast’ controversy…..

https://twitter.com/SamuelHillNZ/status/1536618684927516672
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June 15, 2022 8:39am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What is there to in investigate? Employee gets creepy with Co worker. Resigns. Yawn.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly Bene…your sounding like such a misogynist 🙁
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:57am
- Nickc2
  
  Willie Jackson leading an investigation? I wouldn’t trust him to lead Granny across a pedestrian crossing.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Willie Jackson running an investigation would be about as effective as Hannibal Lechter running a vegan cooking school.
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:59am
    - Inandout
      
      TS, Willie, like many radicals, has a history.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:23am
- Prince
  
  That would be good news for Kamahl.
  Just one of the boys, eh Willie Bro ?
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:56am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Willie will be able to bust out some cooking skills soon too. Maybe a roast or two?
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:07am
- Harry Knuts
  
  ohhh the irony.. sanctimonious more like..
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:05am
- RightNow
  
  After his Roast Busters call I’m sure he’s perfectly qualified //
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:32am
artemisia

Good question. Can our experienced mariners help with answers?

Why does it take 13 weeks longer to ship to New Zealand than Australia?

OK one example but there is also input from First Global Logistics New Zealand manager Rachel Madden that confirms a major issue. Apparently we have fewer ports than Australia, causing congestion. Has this always been the case? Or has something changed …. Answers on the back of a postage stamp.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128947755/why-does-it-take-13-weeks-longer-to-ship-to-new-zealand-than-australia
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June 15, 2022 9:07am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Is she sending Full containers of Less than a container load?? If the latter she has to wait for the container to fill.
  
  Is the container coming direct to NZ or is it being trans shipped through a hub port like Singapore???
  
  Is she using the main shipping lines or a smaller one that can be pushed yo the back of the queue.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:25am
- Master Mariner
  
  One word, Unviable.
  In a nutshell, Container vessels are a lot bigger.
  NZ Ports can not operate them efficiently / or unable to do so.
  We are at the Arse End of the Line for very little Profit.
  We have not secured our Supply Chains with a National Shipping “Feeder” vessels to major Hubs.
  The only Shipping Directly to NZ are Bulkers, Think Log Boats, The rest has to do the “Merry Go Around” to get here.
  Best Slogan, No Seafarers, No Shipping, No Shopping springs to mind.
  It is not getting better any time soon .
  The real issue is Governments Past and Previous have been “Blinkered” and No Real World experience.
  Covid was just the Catalyst and not the cause as far as NZ is concerned.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep it’s as if people ( city centre , latte supping bone wearing Green voters ) have forgotten / ignore how the real world actually operates .
    
    I like the ‘No farmers , no food ” slogan .
    
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    June 15, 2022 12:47pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I am noticing a lack of availability of all sorts of stuff. Small examples:
    
    My washing machine broke down. It needs some electronic part that needs to come from China. Told that it could take weeks or months. So effectively I need to buy a new washing machine.
    
    My local Italian shop has run out of my favourite pasta. New stock could be weeks or months away. He has no idea.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:44pm
    - kowtow
      
      You can get Italian pasta in the Warehouse . Cheaper than pns.
      
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      June 15, 2022 2:00pm
      - Scooter
        
        Is it really, there’s alot of counterfeit parmigiano etc being sold and confiscated.
        
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        June 16, 2022 12:10am
    - Nickc2
      
      Welcome to Govt lack of foresight Benedict.
      The trouble is that by the time the country realises it and changes the Govt by any means possible, no amount of foresight will be enough to remedy the situation in the immediate future.
      Any planning by this Govt is completely out of the question, and contingency planning in particular is considered to be an abstract concept not worthy of consideration.
      
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      June 15, 2022 2:13pm
    - mawm
      
      BY – deal direct with China and get the part airfreighted to NZ.
      
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      June 15, 2022 6:23pm
    - chukar
      
      Try buying specialist tyres .
      Three month waiting list for order confirmation.
      Thanks Labour
      
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      June 15, 2022 6:42pm
Maggie Pie

*PRIDE MONTH* 🙁

The Sin-of-Pride is said to be the foremost of the 7 Deadly Sins

“You’re punishment in Hell….you will be broken on the wheel.”

– Pope Gregory 1

https://twitter.com/FlorioGina/status/1536753161972682757
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June 15, 2022 9:15am
- alloytoo
  
  I’ve never thought of being gay or straight as being an achievement, just a fact.
  
  I prefer to be proud of achievements.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Happy Birthday to Donald John Trump, 14. 06. 1946. (76)
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June 15, 2022 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.facebook.com/TeRangitira/posts/10217811795161316
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPbDZljUsrY&t=1s
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Johnny Cash said at many of his concerts, the American soldiers fought for the Freedom of America, the right to free speech, and the right to even burn the flag. He also said he had the right to bear arms, and if you burn my flag, I will shoot ya.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:07am
    - Nickc2
      
      I knew there was a reason why I liked Johnny Cash.
      
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      June 15, 2022 10:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He was a true Patriot. Struggled with addiction for a while, many songs revolve around that. He felt strong about freedom and rights, and the flag. Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong Country.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfLo3iF4iE
        
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        June 15, 2022 12:55pm
trout

At last a modicum of common sense from a Labour government minister. Kiri Allen (in her previous role as Minister of Conservation) instructed staff to cease inserting Maori words into communications; “FWIW, I encourage te reo use but in no way will I tolerate tokenistic use of reo by govt agencies as an attempt to show govt depts are culturally competent,” she said in the tweet. ‘ Apparently alright to use te reo in greetings or sign off but not in the body of the communication (unless all is in te reo). There will be blowback of course; the culture warriors are on a roll and are not about to slow down their crusade.
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June 15, 2022 9:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It was too good to be true. What I’m waiting for now though, now that Kiri Allan is Justice Minister, is for comment from her on the future progress of hate speech laws.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:49am
- alex Masterley
  
  I was surprised to hear that from the Minister. My estimation of her has gone up.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Before you get carried away…
    
    Cabinet Minister Kiri Allan has voiced concern over the use of te reo Māori within the Department of Conservation.
    
    An email has emerged from the Department of Conservation – which Allan was Minister of until Monday when the Prime Minister reshuffled Cabinet – which claims Allan did not want to see te reo used unless it was a greeting, sign-off, or an entire document was in te reo.
    
    “We’ve had feedback from the minister’s office about inclusion of te reo Māori in the material that we send over. The minister does not want to see te reo words used in material,” the DOC email said.
    
    Allan said she had nothing to do with the writing of the email and in a tweet on Tuesday, described it as: “An incorrect articulation of any direction I’ve provided and is absolutely inaccurate.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300613056/kiri-allan-says-doc-email-ending-te-reo-mori-use-in-materials-doesnt-reflect-her-view-on-language-tokenism
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:46am
    - alex Masterley
      
      To be fair my estimation moved from cold to luke-warm.
      
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      June 15, 2022 9:55am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Was it common sense or was she actually meaning that she would like more Te Reo Maori across the board in communications than the spattering that she thinks is tokenism? IMO it is the former.
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:49am
  - Ehlana
    
    Why can’t NZ do what other countries with more than one language do? Namely, give people a choice. Many overseas websites have a spot (usually the top right corner) where you can select the language you want. Then the pages are served to you in that language.
    Practical, uncontroversial, good public service.
    
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    June 15, 2022 11:43am
    - krazykiwi
      
      “Practical, uncontroversial, good public service”
      
      I use multi-language sites most days. Most of them are excellent. The problem is that in New Zealand the focus is on none of those laudable attributes, but rather it is on reminding us whities of our whiteness and our apparent lashings of cultural insensitivity.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:50pm
    - kowtow
      
      To all practical intents and purposes NZ has only one lang and that’s English .
      
      It is ridiculous to pretend otherwise . Not to mention a waste of money and divisive.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now if only the children on play school TV1 would stop doing it.
  Dam annoying when trying to take in a subject, then a word is inserted that I don’t understand.
  Fuck right off with the nonsense.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:00am
  - Tricati
    
    Couldn’t have said it better – I think its probably doing more harm than good for Maori language, and pissing people off who are trying to understand an issue is a good way to do it.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:19am
    - Paulus
      
      Trying to understand English, as used by 98% of New Zealanders, is hard enough with modern idioms.
      Let alone small bits of the so called Maori language.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    SO, I gave up watching Fair Go when te lingo became over used in the extreme.
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I watch the Breakfast Show in the morning – but only because the speaker of the house insists.
      Keep the queen bee happy, and the whole hive is happy.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:12pm
  - MCōs
    
    Stop watching
    Every other day you grizzle about the show.
    Personally I don’t like it so I don’t watch it.
    Or do you watch it so you can start the day suitably pissed off.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      See above – about the queen bee. I don’t rock the boat, even keel.
      
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      June 15, 2022 2:08pm
- Surely Knott
  
  What about tokenistic language in govt communications that relates to gender eg pronouns, people who menstruate etc. Is that still encouraged or is that tokenistic?
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:37am
- kowtow
  
  ‘as an attempt to show govt depts are culturally competent,” ‘
  
  Again the disconnect of these clowns who live in the rarified world of the political circus.
  
  I wudda thunk we want govt depts to be competent , bugger the “cultural”.
  
  Look at how the Reserve Bank went ( I know it’s not a gubmint dept , but you get the idea) , same with the road boat dept and perhaps that’s wot’s happening to police , prisons and education.
  
  Go woke …..
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:48am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘Culturally competent’.
    
    Unnecessary adjective.
    
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    June 15, 2022 8:01pm
Yvette

• Ardern said after the 2020 election, Mallard mentioned he wanted to “transition out of the role of Speaker over the course of this term to allow someone else the opportunity and to take on new challenges himself”.
Peters said that was not the “full truth” and Mallard was leaving because of his threat of legal action.
Ardern rejected that and said she was not aware of the letter and it had “no bearing” on Mallard’s decision. [1]

• The House based its general definition of contempt on Erskine May, which is the authoritative treatise on parliamentary law and practice in the United Kingdom. The House may treat as a contempt:
… any act or omission which—
(a) obstructs or impedes the House in the performance of its functions, or
(b) obstructs or impedes any member or officer of the House in the discharge of the member’s or officer’s duty, or
(c) has a tendency, directly or indirectly, to produce such a result. [2]

Is Winston’s claim that his threat of legal action had triggered Trevor’s resignation, not an undue influence on the proceedings of Parliament, and in itself legally actionable?
If it removed Mallard, Winston’s claimed influence would have been perhaps more effective and productive than the entire protest and even it’s destructive conclusion in Parliament’s grounds, which saw Winston’s initial trespass.

Can anyone call for a judicial review of Winstons mental state (and suitability to head a political party or run for Parliament, or take any form of legal action)?
AFAF

[1] https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/14/winston-peters-to-take-legal-action-against-mallard/
[2] https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/parliamentary-practice-in-new-zealand/chapter-46-contempt/
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June 15, 2022 9:28am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t worry Mallard will soon have Diplomatic Immunity from anythng.
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It shows how much the Labour Party has changed when Michael Bassett can write such a piece as this:

All in all, when she undertook her shuffle Jacinda Ardern showed few signs that she takes any heed of the serious unease about many aspects of her ministers’ stewardship. This leaves us with our only option: bundle the Labour Party into opposition at the earliest opportunity.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/shuffling-de-faced-cards-jacinda-s-new-cabinet
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June 15, 2022 9:29am
- Trev
  
  Well worth reading. The expression that “Mahuta is Ardern’s Rasputin” brought a smile. Agree that Labour need to be bundled out at the earliest opportunity! (And for decades I was a Labour voter)
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Left the Plantation? Many have. Jaspinda is not liking it one bit.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:16pm
Maggie Pie

North & South ran a promo yesterday for their July edition.

Sent out an email to subscribers with the question….

“Who is Raj Nahna?”

Apparently ‘The Indian guy who owns Dairy in Shore Rd’ was incorrect.
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June 15, 2022 9:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  He’s the PM’s Chief of Staff
  
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  June 15, 2022 9:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    
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    June 15, 2022 9:53am
  - Swifty
    
    KS – in case you hadn’t seen it….
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/food-deliveries-hold-after-drink-drive-incident
    
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    June 15, 2022 10:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jesus Christ that is a light sentence! Nearly 50 years ago I got caught DIC. Twice the limit. $1200 fine, loss of license 12 months, and 6 months PD, slashing gorse in the Woodhill forest every Saturday.
      I never upset the Cops or the Judge, but I got hammered. All because a car rear ended me and shunted me into the car in front. I think I had to pay 3 insurance excesses.
      This is say 1972. $1200 was a lot of money then.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:26pm
      - Swifty
        
        Blimmin hell – that was a stiff sentence.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:40pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I suspect Steve, that you were a bit of a rebel in those days – about 7 years after I was. I was married with 2 kids in 1972 – really slowed me down & gave me a much better sense of purpose.
        
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        June 15, 2022 5:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Don, all I did was went to the Cosy in Takapuna. two games of pairs snooker and about 6 pints. I was quite capable of driving safely, but over the limit, and someone else caused the accident.
        Oh, add on to my hammering, I had to re-sit my License, so I did it in a truck and semi (articulated) Still have class 5 today.
        Tester said “you have done this before right?”
        Me “I would not be retested for this if I did not have a Class 5 before.”
        
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        June 15, 2022 5:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Don, should have added:
        I drink now, beers and whiskey. One beer and we need a bottle of milk – someone is walking, not me walking or driving. One beer and I will not drive.
        
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        June 15, 2022 5:33pm
graham

The company I work for is celebrating “Pride Month”, and as part of that they’re running some sort of costume party. Everyone’s being encouraged to turn up to work wearing their best “rainbow gear” and win a prize; with a bonus for the most outrageous outfit.

I’ve never been so grateful that I work from home as I am right now …
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June 15, 2022 9:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bit of stereotyping being promoted?
  
  Some of my gay friends and acquaintances are most unlikely to be seen in rainbow gear.. they are not a very flamboyant lot on the whole.
  
  On the other hand, I do have some straight mates who can be guaranteed to appear in the most colourful outfits when they’re out at an “occasion.”
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:45am
  - graham
    
    Yes, I’ve noticed that too, Maggy. Isn’t it strange? It’s almost as if the majority of people – straight, gay, whatever – would rather not shape and define their entire life solely on the basis of their sexuality …
    
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    June 15, 2022 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have a blue/white houndstooth sports jacket, is that gay?
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      3 upticks? 3 gays here?
      The jacket does get some comments though….
      
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      June 15, 2022 5:35pm
- Ehlana
  
  I wonder what they’d do if you wore a rainbow shirt from a different culture. Perhaps quoting Genesis 9:13 “I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.”
  (Here’s one: https://www.zazzle.co.nz/gods_rainbow_covenant_t_shirt-235328924450152619)
  
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  June 15, 2022 11:51am
- kowtow
  
  I ‘d go , in a monkey suit.
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Monkeys are not gay. Oh wait – I have not been to Auckland Zoo for a long time//
    
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    June 15, 2022 5:36pm
RightNow

There’s a few of us who know exactly who he is…
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June 15, 2022 9:35am
103PapPap

Did any of you blokes out there retire from work when your youngest child turned five and started school?
Askin’ for a friend.
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June 15, 2022 9:36am
- kevn
  
  @`103… The lawnmowing caper keeps him busy.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:21am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  When my son was 5 I was being made redundant and had to fight for redundancy payment
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:17pm
- Nickc2
  
  How old was your friend when the child turned five?
  
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  June 15, 2022 2:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I was just getting used to dropping a word or rua of te Reo into my comments.

But now, I see, that that is just being “tokenistic” (tohu tohu)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-conservation-minister-kiri-allan-calls-out-tokenistic-use-of-te-reo-at-doc/XAXTVIAQC2NXEUMJFOKN7NU2YY/

Whew…..

Though I think it will be quite a long time away before I stop using 3 columns (common , scientific, Maori names) for my plant species lists.
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June 15, 2022 9:40am
- graham
  
  I do hope Simon Dallow reads that, takes note, and STOPS MANGLING THE BLOODY NEWS AT 6 PM!
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:06am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Why watch the stupid bastard? TV3 has news as well, and it’s better than TV1.
    
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    June 15, 2022 11:54am
    - kowtow
      
      That’s a very low bar.
      
      I’ve largely given up altogether.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:55pm
      - curry4me
        
        So have I. My NZ news comes from here, another blog FB, BitChute, Rumble, and YouTube.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:33pm
    - NoFax
      
      Do people still watch TV?
      
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      June 15, 2022 8:20pm
- Don Beckett
  
  E te kapai, e Maggy bro.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stop it – stop it – stop it.
  That is toru times
  
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  June 15, 2022 5:50pm
dcrane

The stupid reaching painful new lows.

https://twitter.com/audubonsociety/status/1536443288240148482
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June 15, 2022 9:44am
Captain Mainwaring

Well butter my bum and call me a muffin!
Sharon Murdoch actually produces something a bit funny and not anti-National.
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June 15, 2022 9:59am
- Maggie Pie
  
  😛
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:05am
kevn

Lovely warm (not) welcome for arden in ChCh school opening today.
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June 15, 2022 10:19am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Are you talking about the weather or the reception from the people?
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:52pm
- kowtow
  
  has any other pm ever done so many school photo ops , as opposed to serious stuff with adults.
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘What are Adults?’
    Thancue JA
    
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    June 15, 2022 5:52pm
- curry4me
  
  Yes, she’s so very popular. There were about 50 people at Linwood High. About one in five vehicles tooted in support.
  
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  June 15, 2022 2:36pm
Maggie Pie

People are tweeting that the government ‘Ribbon-Cutting-Ceremony’ for the opening of Transmission Gully, cost the taxpayer in excess of $337,000!!

When questioned whether he thought that was excessive, Finance Minister Grant Robinson responded….”Have you not seen the price of sausage rolls lately?”
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June 15, 2022 10:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Typical of the arrogant troughing bastard.
  
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  June 15, 2022 10:40am
- mandk
  
  I suspect $250k of that was koha for the ridiculous, never-to-be-remembered or used name for the road that was ‘gifted’ by local Maori.
  
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  June 15, 2022 11:42am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Robertson is so smug and arrogant. That is hard earned tax payer money he is wasting and he simply doesn’t care and thinks its a big joke.
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is a condescending prick.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:35pm
fredonas

“Coromandel roadside shooting: Ex-partner tells of murder accused’s rages in wake of bonfire explosion”
“their usual way of dealing with his issues was to go for drives to remote locations where they could smoke cannabis together.”
This has high THC cannabis consumption leading to psychosis written all over it. Very sad.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/128954620/coromandel-roadside-shooting-expartner-tells-of-murder-accuseds-rages-in-wake-of-bonfire-explosion
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June 15, 2022 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  Can’t be correct.
  
  Cannabis good / alcohol bad , you see.
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Said Chloe
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:38pm
    - kowtow
      
      yer , ban tobacco . Hype THC.
      
      weird weird world.
      
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      June 15, 2022 1:48pm
Lee C

Who here thinks that Mallard’s departure was a sop to halt the inquiry and exposure intoMallard’s Ardern’s and Robertson’s culpability about the
sprinklers and Manilow treatment of peaceful protesters?
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June 15, 2022 11:01am
- MCōs
  
  I thought Mallard’s attempt at crowd dispersal was pretty amateur, but hardly a hanging offense.
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:59pm
  - graham
    
    The Prime Minister would appear to disagree with you though.
    
    “What do we teach our kids?” she asked Sir John.
    
    “If you ask someone what they want for their kids when they’re older, often we revert to those values: we want our kids to be happy; we want them to feel loved and supported; we want them to be treated well by others; and we want them to treat others well.
    
    “If those are the values that are so important to us that we teach them to our kids, then we should expect those same values from our leaders.”
    
    She says it’s a simple formula – but doesn’t always translate well into the expectations people hold for their leaders.
    
    “Something happened along the way, where we said kids need to be kind but leaders need to be staunch, aggressive, show no mercy and definitely show no weakness. That just doesn’t sit well with me.“
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/12/jacinda-ardern-opens-up-on-kind-leadership-style-says-pressure-to-choose-aggression-over-mercy-doesn-t-sit-well.html
    
    You can understand, therefore, how surprised I was that she didn’t chastise Trevor Mallard for not “treating others well”. Maybe she’s waiting for the right time.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought it may have something to do with that $300K+ of Court costs coming back to haunt him.
  The kitchen was getting hot??
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:41pm
- Nickc2
  
  Here’s one for KBers with a legal bent; if Mallard still has the Peters defamation trial outstanding, can he still leave the country for his Diplomatic Posting?
  Carrying on from that; if he is found to have defamed Peters, does that preclude him from a Diplomatic Posting?
  I would hope the answer to both questions is an emphatic yes.
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Excuse me Sir Duck, we have some questions, come with us to a private office.
    We do have to enforce the rules and the LAW you know.
    
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    June 15, 2022 5:57pm
Maggie Pie

And did anyone else watch ‘Paddy-Gower-on-Booze’ last night?

Honestly, he’s not exactly pretty when he’s sober 🙁

Just saying.
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June 15, 2022 11:01am
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, he’s the perfect face for radio.
  
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  June 15, 2022 11:06am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He can’t do anything about the way he looks. But being a twat is something he has control over.
  
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  June 15, 2022 11:32am
- graham
  
  Didn’t watch it, but I see there’s an opinion piece in the Herald which describes it as “hard-hitting”, and continually talks about how alcohol problems are something we ALL struggle with.
  
  Faced with the harsh truth that it’s actually not “normal” to drink by default, Gower and the viewer shift uncomfortably on the couch.
  
  “Here’s a fact. You’re as bad as I am,” stammers a drunken Gower, battling with his booze. It feels like Fred Dagg telling us as a nation we are s**t at farming. And it stings.
  
  That’s why this documentary is different. It’s all of us being forced to face our behaviours, not just the narrator.
  
  Umm … do all journalists and people in the media have a drinking problem? Sure sounds like it, because I assume Jenni Mortimer, the reviewer, is basing this on the people she interacts with; ie the “media bubble”. Maybe she needs to widen her horizons and get out into the real world, because it’s certainly not all of us that have a problem with alcohol.
  
  Maybe this is simply another example of someone in the media who lives cocooned in her own little echo chamber and thinks the rest of the world lives just like she does.
  
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  June 15, 2022 11:59am
  - nathie
    
    Woah Gower is “letting down” his profession!
    
    There have been many stories of reporters a generation or so ago and more having “meetings” in the local pub or bar at lunchtime, having a few pints (and spirits) then heading back into work to file their stories!
    
    (And I have been with some of them in my younger days, the stories one could tell of reporters and editors that could drink anyone under the table and then still function afterwards … well apart from the odd one that occasionally passed out after a long night when heading back to the office)!
    
    Perhaps paddy could turn the lens around and look at his own profession?
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s another opinion piece on the programme.
    
    It was a show about Gower – a self-confessed alcoholic, yes. But an alcoholic with zero consequences, no health issues and what appeared to be a very “easy” ability to stop.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/stuff-to-watch/128904898/patrick-gower-on-booze-is-not-the-alcohol-documentary-we-need
    
    It strikes me that Gower is just a big mouth who can’t hold his booze.
    
    Amberleigh Jack knows what it is to be brought up by an alcoholic and to watch that person die.
    
    It’s strange how so many media “personalities”have to do big reveal-alls about their booze problem.
    When they get back to just reporting the facts… or carrying out an in-depth investigation of a subject beyond their own self-interest, I might take an interest in their”projects”.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A wife was making a breakfast of fried eggs for her husband.
Suddenly, her husband burst into the kitchen. ‘Careful,’ he said, ‘CAREFUL! Put in some more butter! Oh my gosh! You’re cooking too many at once. TOO MANY! Turn them! TURN THEM NOW! We need more butter. Oh my gosh! WHERE are we going to get MORE BUTTER? They’re going to STICK! Careful. CAREFUL! I said be CAREFUL! You NEVER listen to me when you’re cooking! Never! Turn them! Hurry up!
Are you CRAZY? Have you LOST your mind? Don’t forget to salt them. You know you always forget to salt them. Use the salt. USE THE SALT! THE SALT!’
The wife stared at him. ‘What in the world is wrong with you? You think I don’t know how to fry a couple of eggs?’
The husband calmly replied, ‘I just wanted to show you what it feels like when I’m driving.’
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June 15, 2022 11:09am
- MCōs
  
  I neither complain about my wife’s cooking or driving. I might have to do it myself.
  
  Occasionally when I take the wheel in Thailand my wife gives me some advice.
  Give way to that guy, I think he’s got a gun.
  That black Benz half an inch behind you flashing his lights. Let him pass.
  Just give the cop 200 baht and not a satang more.
  STOP! I’m hungry. I feel like some durian.
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Durian is something I have yet to try.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:44pm
    - MCōs
      
      Same
      
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      June 15, 2022 2:37pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Apparently it stinks, but OK if it gets past the nose.
        Rotten corn??
        
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        June 15, 2022 6:06pm
    - NoFax
      
      It does have a smell that is not pleasant and almost every hotel in SEA will ban it from the premises. However, it does have a nice buttery taste and goes better in other things.
      
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      June 15, 2022 8:10pm
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… Who fries eggs in butter?
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Me, when I can afford butter.
    https://www.thekitchn.com/basted-eggs-22943628
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:46pm
    - kowtow
      
      MW
      
      The Warehouse.
      
      $4 a block for tararua which is nearly twice that in the supermarkets.
      Drawback. Sells out v quick.
      
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      June 15, 2022 5:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do, especially if I have just fried some nice snapper/gurnard in butter.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:46pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yummmmmmmmmmm
      
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      June 15, 2022 4:07pm
      - chukar
        
        I buy beef dripping,
        Beats everything else for frying!
        I know so anyway!
        
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        June 15, 2022 7:49pm
westernScientist

Ever wonder how financially illiterate the average New Zealander is? Have a look at the comments on these:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128954010/its-the-interest-rates-stupid–house-prices-and-interest-rates-create-political-pain

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128963757/aa-predicts-queues-to-the-roads-if-petrol-tax-cut-reversed-overnight-in-august

Full of, well the government should just give all poor people free EVs

In 5 days the NZD has fallen against the USD by 3.5 cents, the TWI by 2, neither showing any sign of stopping. Admittedly a bunch of this is driven by the strengthening of the USD as much as a falling NZD as the markets price in something like a 0.75% hike from the FED tomorrow.

Also, anyone who is interested in macro, check out the swap rate for the last couple of days, scary looking charts.
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June 15, 2022 11:11am
- JimBobJoe
  
  So in the longer term NZD will strengthen. Why? Because to tame inflation our interest rates will have to be ratcheted up a lot higher than now. I am think OCR at 7.5 to 8 percent. Which implies wholesale rates 2o0/300 basis points higher minimum.
  
  Those rates will attract the FX carry trade big time. it will be a rerun of the last inflation busting episode when Belgium dentists and Japanese housewives (using the tropes current in the market back in the day) couldn’t get enough of the NZD due to the high interest rate differentials between their home currencies and the NZD…
  
  make take 2 or 3 years to shake out but it will happen imho of course – this not being financial advice but a laymans forecast
  
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  June 15, 2022 4:44pm
  - chukar
    
    Only if we have real RB governors who focus on currency stability.
    Totally predictable so far ,just wait for wages to join the party.
    This is deliberate Labour policy redistributing the wealth from the elderly who earned it to the kids and others who have not done a bloody thing. Apart from wearing apple ear rings!
    
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    June 15, 2022 7:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is this government soft on Gang crime?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waikato-expressway-attack-three-months-25-witnesses-zero-arrests-why-has-no-one-been-charged/M346AFWUGYG4VG6T3OWONSP3TY/

Are we really to believe that 3 months after this attack “witnesses” are going to provide accurate accounts of who did what?
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June 15, 2022 11:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘Aotearoa’s new Police Minister Chris Hipkins admits more needs to be done when it comes to tackling crime, but says the tough-on-crime approach doesn’t work’
  
  – Newshub
  
  Bring back Poto…at least she looked tough.
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tough on crime = tough on votes – they are desperate remember?
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chris Luxon identifies the threat within our country:

Gangs are an internal threat

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/469138/christopher-luxon-seeks-to-rein-in-gangs-promoting-their-lifestyle-on-social-media

It might be time for Jacinda and her mates to wake up to the bleeding obvious.
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June 15, 2022 11:52am
- fredonas
  
  David Seymour said on Sean Plunket’s show on The Platform yesterday that ACT policy is to put in place programs to divert youth from a life of gang involvement like they do in the UK. I agree that viable alternatives to the gang “lifestyle” have to be available for any meaningful reduction in the number of gang members to occur. Whether current gang members will embrace these alternatives remains to be seen. Such initiatives are long overdue in my opinion. http://getaway-n-getsafe.co.uk
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:08pm
- MCōs
  
  Gangs are an internal problem for the country, but never for an Opposition, no matter the party.
  
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  June 15, 2022 12:26pm
  - kevn
    
    @mcos… The huge gang growth in the last 5 years is the issue.
    
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    June 15, 2022 1:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      The issue isn’t the growth of gangs so much as the growth of circumstances that make gangs an attractive proposition to join, I would have thought.
      
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      June 15, 2022 2:50pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Uptick from me. Gangs are a symptom. Trying to make the symptom go away and pretending the root issue is solved is madness.
        
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        June 15, 2022 2:54pm
Blog-aholic

Stuff going hard this morning. Propaganda gongs must be up for grabs….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300593283/the-marae-defended-by-flood-walls-how-mtauranga-mori-can-prepare-us-for-the-coming-storm

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2022/06/sinking-marae-at-risk-morearea/
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June 15, 2022 12:08pm
- kevn
  
  @Blog… I wonder why they don’t put it up on poles ala traditional foodstore style.
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:02pm
- Ohm my
  
  Call me cynical, but are we being softened up for a spending program to be shortly announced? Something along the lines of 100s millions needed to be invested to save marae’s from evil colonialist’s planet destroying ways. Someone connected to the Mahutas to run it? Or is that just too ridiculous to consider? I have such little faith in this government nothing would surprise me.
  
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  June 15, 2022 1:53pm
Prince

You have to admire the Labour/Green dominated Social Services and Community Committee, ridding themselves of the pesky, outspoken Childrens’ Commissioner role.
Although the role exists in name only, it now reports to the Prime Minister, and acts through a Government-appointed Board.
So no more off the cuff comments on behalf of the Children of Aotearoa, that could embarrass the Govt of the day, as often happened under National.
Now they act through the Board, no doubt stuffed with members known to be ‘safe’ to Labour. Perhaps such advocates as Phil Goff, Steve Chadwick, Kris Faafoi, Tracey Martin…..
Under the cloak of kindness, piece by piece this Government removes all areas of risks to its survival.
The Media are stuffed. The Judiciary, Police and Judges are tamed. Now the so-called representatives of our ‘most vulnerable’ are neutered.
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June 15, 2022 12:18pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweets….

You’re all wrong. The earth isn’t round or flat.

It’s fucked.
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June 15, 2022 12:33pm
Nickc2

A quiet little Sunday afternoon in Washington DC. No arrests were made in the making or aftermath of this video.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1536770398892834816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1536770398892834816%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.michaelsmithnews.com%2F
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June 15, 2022 1:10pm
Nickc2

Biden’s suffering from the same communicable disease as our Cindy – Liars Pox.
BIDEN: “I’m doing everything in my power to blunt Putin’s gas price hike. Just since he invaded Ukraine, it’s gone up $1.74/gallon. Because of nothing else BUT that!”
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1536731672103866369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1536731672103866369%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.michaelsmithnews.com%2F
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June 15, 2022 1:17pm
kiwikidsnz

http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2022/06/proactive-release-documents.html?m=1

In interesting update on “the most transparent Govt ever”
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June 15, 2022 1:22pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_B4zxr9F0

2000 Mules Team Presents Evidence of 243 Mules Visiting 5,700 Drop Boxes to State Legislature.

There has been a presentation to the legislature in Arizona on matters related to 2000 Mules. [10:09]
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June 15, 2022 1:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nothing wrong// 243 mules are innocent. Judges throw it out of Court – that is Obama appointed Judges. Duplicated videos. The excuses are getting pathetic. Getting too close to the truth? Watch out for Killary, The paper trail leads back to her sometimes.
  
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  June 15, 2022 2:32pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXeBMviF5lw

Australia has become an ‘international laughing stock’ over energy crisis.

Australia’s “brain-dead approach to energy” has caused our current energy catastrophe, says Sky News host Chris Smith. “Yes, the world is suffering from power sanctions imposed on Russian gas, but most of Europe has nuclear reactors to fall back on,” he said. “Not little ole Australia – we’ve been too frightened to even make power from our vast uranium deposits legal. There’s a law against it. “And of course, we signed away the rights to our gas on the east coast, to multinationals lock, stock and barrel. [Looks like that TEAL vote will come back to bite our Aussie cousins. It couldn’t happen here /sarc. 6:55]
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June 15, 2022 1:31pm
Maggie Pie

This kid only looks about 5….but I know exactly what he’s thinking 😀

https://twitter.com/MaryCali007/status/1536779226237370368
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June 15, 2022 1:49pm
gump

More Republicans in the news.

The same group that published the video that ended US congressman Madison Cawthorn’s career is now reporting that they have evidence that US congresswoman Lauren Boebert worked as an escort and had two abortions before she was elected to the US house of reps.

Here is the evidence that they published.

https://www.fireboebert.com/_files/ugd/933c64_42dc71858cfe4ab6846eba71f64e8f22.pdf?index=true
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June 15, 2022 2:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  More rubbish from the crazy left. A diversion from Brandon.
  Boebert is the one that wants to conceal carry in the House. Maybe open carry, I don’t know.
  If these crazies want dirt – investigate Hillary Clinton, but be careful.
  
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  June 15, 2022 2:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

See above – about the queen bee. I don’t rock the boat, even keel.
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June 15, 2022 2:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How the hell did that get repeated to here?
  Mods, can you remove please?
  
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  June 15, 2022 2:22pm
Maggie Pie

Just caught economist Tony Alexander on ZB talking about FOMO’s
I guess you need to have a little bit of sympathy for all those first-home-buyers who rushed in last year and paid well over a mill or more for some old dump in Mt Roskill 🙁
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June 15, 2022 2:23pm
Pavel

What the hell am I reading here. This guy punches a prison guard in the face, which kills him, and gets an extra 6.5 years. I thought that’s prettylow for murder. But then he is released and is running from police, through red lights and has to be stopped using spikes and he gets 14 days prison and 12 months loss of license. Is this for real?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300613786/man-who-killed-prison-guard-back-behind-bars-after-auckland-police-chase
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June 15, 2022 2:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You are reading a very sanitised version of this Gangster’s criminal history…..
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93658077/former-corrections-officer-wants-to-clear-his-name
  
  But perhaps the authorities wants to hush up some issues about how this violent man was able to kill a guard.
  
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  June 15, 2022 4:12pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Killing a prisoner officer should be a mandatory life sentence in my view.
    
    And in this case Latu Kepu had made threats and then planned an attack – I don’t buy he didn’t think of attacking Jason Palmer as soon as he could, with the unlock being his chance.
    
    6.5 years for the life of a man doing a very dangerous job on behalf of society. Way too low. Even for manslaughter that is way too low in these circumstances…
    
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    June 15, 2022 4:34pm
- Prince
  
  Yeah I couldn’t believe it. They actually chased him and used spikes ? Didn’t they get the memo ? So last decade.
  
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  June 15, 2022 5:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Shit, only in Alaska. They were say 2 – 3 miles from the airfield. Dunno how they got out of 4th ave. Planes land on the road all the time to get more gas, but not in the City!
https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2022/06/14/small-plane-makes-emergency-landing-anchorage-streets/?
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June 15, 2022 2:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is a great porkie by Brandon.
https://rumble.com/v18fp7h-biden-screams-lies-about-gas-prices-tells-one-of-biggest-lies-yet.html?
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June 15, 2022 2:59pm
Maggie Pie

*DUDGE WATCH*

‘Man’ (insert-own-word) who killed Prison Guard sent to jail for 14 days….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300613786/man-who-killed-prison-guard-back-behind-bars-after-auckland-police-chase
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June 15, 2022 3:02pm
- cmm
  
  A bit click-baity there Maggie.
  He’d done his time (kinda) for the murder and the 14 days was for new offending.
  
  Still, society would be a far better place if his oxygen consumption stopped.
  
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  June 15, 2022 4:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Same scum people like Golriz Gharaman and her ilk want to see get the vote.
    
    SHEESH!!
    
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    June 15, 2022 4:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ Police going soft on crime

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/128955184/police-powerless-as-brazen-thieves-use-industrial-tools-to-snatch-bikes

After reading that article I’m left wondering if cops are part of the bike-stealing racket.
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June 15, 2022 3:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Missed this:
  Police said since Trainor had accepted the insurance payout, he was no longer the victim of the crime. It would be up to the insurance company to pursue it further.
  
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  June 15, 2022 3:42pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The Ins Co is now the legal owner of the bike.
    
    Crash your car and it is a write off they pay you the insurance and then they take possession as the legal owner
    
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    June 15, 2022 4:11pm
- cmm
  
  My son lost an almost new $1700 bike like this. Pinched in broad daylight off the Ara campus.
  
  The police did SFA and said they had no chance of doing anything. They took the serial number for their records and gave us a case number for insurance. Job done.
  
  It is complete bullshit to say that the victim is no longer a victim after a payout. That is a disgusting position for the police to hold for many reasons:
  1) There is that sense of violation when you’re a victim of any crime. Is a rape victim not really a rape victim because she didn’t really lose anything?
  2) The victim seldom gets the full payout. In my son’s case, after excesses and such he got $1100 back on a $1700 bike even though it was unscratched and in perfect condition. I chipped in a bit and found him a good replacement.
  3) All the hassles/lost time of fetching people, reporting it, making claims, buying replacements etc cost real time and real money. Three hours of my time = a few hundred dollars of lost income that I will never get back.
  
  It appears to me that police are increasingly disconnected from the society they are paid to serve.
  
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  June 15, 2022 4:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The cops are enabling the thieves.
    
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    June 15, 2022 4:03pm
    - cmm
      
      ” The bike, ordered from the United States, cost $8000 new. The insurance payout was $5000, but replacing the bike would now cost Trainor $10,500 due to inflation and minor upgrades by the manufacturers to the later models.”
      
      So Trainor is out $5500 and he’s not a victim. Right.
      
      The cops are motivated to do what requires the least paperwork. Telling Trainor they are not interested is far easier than dealing with a criminal. That probably requires filling out 3 forms and making an arrest etc.
      
      Trainor also seems like a good sort that’s not going to test their stab-proof vests.
      
      Yes, the cops are enabling crime. One just hopes it is due to incompetence and laziness. I hope we have not sunk to the level where cops are actually getting a kickback from the crims.
      
      Trainor is far too passive. I’d be ranting to the Minister of Police, opposition police spokesman, local MP and ombudsman.
      
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      June 15, 2022 4:16pm
      - Prince
        
        It’s pretty clear from the article who tipped off the thief when the victim tried to set him up. In the past a visit from the Police and some choice questions would break it open fairly quickly, but I suspect the Police weren’t very interested in the paperwork involved in uncovering the fencing operation they had going.
        
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        June 15, 2022 4:58pm
Graeme Hall

Most secure election in history?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2020/06/12/southfield-clerk-go-trial-six-felony-charges/5346760002/
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June 15, 2022 3:48pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/liz-davies-what-is-fuelling-the-racial-backlash-to-co-governance/NY3PAY4H6IH2KSH5DKAI6S4NDY/

So, being against co-governance is to be racist? I’m fed up with maori elite demanding more and more. ‘White’ privileged maori are rorting the system at the expense of under privileged maori and non-maori. Great if you want to revert back to the days of village chiefs and power by nepotism as opposed to merit.

I just saw a very nice job in Sydney, paying > 40% than NZ, with med insurance and other perks.

Sooo tempting, but, NZ ties are strong. Oldest at uni, daughter dong NCEA , youngest is doing exceptionally well in his sport.
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June 15, 2022 3:49pm
- cmm
  
  I know what you mean. If I was 10 years younger I’d be gone. I don’t expect my grown offspring to stick around.
  
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  June 15, 2022 4:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    For anyone in addition to poster Surfing who noticed the Herald’s opinion piece which seemed to say that those who question the push for race-based “co-government” are part of a racist backlash.
    
    The writer, Liz Davies, whose article is reprinted from the Bay of Plenty Times, is described as general manager of SocialLink.
    
    The full name of this registered charity is Social Sector Innovation WBOP Charitable Trust.
    
    Davies’s spiel in the annual report of SocialLink includes mention of TECT, a large Bay of Plenty community trust that springs originally from what was originally the Tauranga Electric Power board. From it comes a community meeting and gathering facility, tellingly called “the Kollective”.
    
    From this sort of soft socialism comes the Herald piece that implies those who question the push for race-based governance are themselves racists.
    
    That’s Orwellian double-speak.
    
    I like many co-operatives, and many of them are co-operatives of business members, but according to the Cambridge Journal of Economics, Karl Marx on several occasions expressed himself in favour of co-operative firms. It’s also a shame that a community trust official comments on a political issue. The trust should surely stand aside from divisive political issues.
    
    Marx views on co-operatives:
    
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/23603445
    
    Liz Davies talks about opposition to co-governance and racism:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/liz-davies-what-is-fuelling-the-racial-backlash-to-co-governance/NY3PAY4H6IH2KSH5DKAI6S4NDY/
    
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    June 15, 2022 4:08pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Co-governance itself is racism. it must be rejected.
  It is also a weasel word.
  
  That a push back against political rights being based on racial origin, or even intellectually challenging the legal premise itself (‘partnership principles’), is considered the act of a racist is irony indeed.
  
  Dividing up NZ society by race, with Maori as a species apart from the rest, and examining all outcomes based on race as a measurement and an explanation at the same time is what is creating worse and worse feeling on both sides.
  A toxic philosophy.
  
  Dump Labour, and abolish the Maori seats for starters.
  Even the Maori seats are poorly understood as a premise, and used as evidence of some sort of Ti Tiriti principles when they are a legacy of a time before universal suffrage: once required for Maori when the right to vote was based on ownership of land.
  Now they are a superfluous relic which is used to tilt the balance of power too much towards race-grievance-hucksters.
  
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  June 15, 2022 4:26pm
  - mandk
    
    ‘Co-governance itself is racism’
    
    Indeed it is. It’s every bit as racist a Critical Race Theory.
    
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    June 15, 2022 5:22pm
- tf78
  
  Funny that sort of ‘power’ never turned the lights or a heater on, nor running hot water for that matter.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:28pm
Flossie

Just seen part of an internationally targeted speech by reserve Bank boss Orr. He seems to think that until colonists arrived Maori had no concept of land ownership.
Sure they did. Part of the culture was confiscating that which their neighbours owned by being the better warriors.
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June 15, 2022 6:02pm
- Jack5
  
  Maori had no concept of individuals’ ownership of land.
  
  Also, like most indigenous societies, for modern land ownership, Maori had neither the necessary cadastral (titles and transfer) procedures and facilities; nor the necessary legal infrastructure; nor the necessary financial and monetary exchange system.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:44pm
AitchW

How much longer can we tolerate this 3 ring circus of a government? Every project it touches runs appallingly over budget, it showers cash on gangs, it’s driven massive inflation, crime is out of control, fire fighters are striking, hospitals are overwhelmed and there’s a general feeling of despondence among the productive population. This fiasco must end.
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June 15, 2022 6:11pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Free speech in the UK is dead. Policeman jailed for 5 months after forwarding an (unspecified) joke about George Floyd to his acquaintances:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1625350/George-Floyd-police-officer-racist-memes-jailed
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June 15, 2022 6:11pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis retweets…

“Reminds me of when we stayed in Rotovegas and took the kids to Cobb & Co”

😀 😎

https://twitter.com/harrunson/status/1536180078563975168
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June 15, 2022 6:34pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Someone’s getting a box around the ears
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:11pm
kingerstinger

Wellington City Council have hired a new social media manager, and now have a TikTok account. One of their first videos was a meme, basically suggesting that if they use any Te Reo, white people (and only white people) will complain.

Good to see that if you live in Wellington, your rate payer money isn’t spent on fixing the appalling pipes, but spent on some leftie making TikTok videos.
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June 15, 2022 6:45pm
- tf78
  
  Don’t they realize they left out the “C”‘s it is actually Tick Tock your time is up.
  
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  June 15, 2022 8:19pm
Inthe09

SMH headline this evening:

“NSW residents told to minimise non-urgent electricity usage until 8.30pm”

One guess how they spun it….

Coming soon to a town near you NZ.
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June 15, 2022 8:49pm
Jack5

Reserve Bank governor Adrian Orr is emerging as one of the biggest duds in the history of the world’s central banks.

Yet here he is addressing world central bankers on why the Reserve Bank of New Zealand has adopted a Maori world view.

We are heading into a wild burst of inflation and Orr preaches to international central bankers, as reported by Audrey Young:

The bank, also known as Te Putea Matua, actively looked to harness the knowledge of both post-colonial society and te ao Maori to establish and maintain a long-term vision in all that it did.

National and ACT should be preparing to put Orr, his board, and his RBNZ executives on public trial for the financial chaos the country is about to endure.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr-shares-maori-perspectives-with-central-bankers/2GTV3TJRMUIDRYGHAS7YFEE3CA/
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