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mikenmildagain

Happy International Albinism Awareness Day!
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June 12, 2022 8:03am
- Don Beckett
  
  Well, Albinisi hasn’t done anything for Australia.
  
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  June 12, 2022 8:32am
  - pdm
    
    DB – he did get his Foreign Minister into and around the Pacific from about day 3 while our equivalent Nanaia Mahuta works on dividing NZ and does not want to go anywhere near where she and New Zealand are needed.
    
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    June 12, 2022 8:53am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Maybe keeping Mahuta at home isn’t such a bad idea? Replacing her with someone fit to represent our country overseas would be better – much better.
      
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      June 12, 2022 12:25pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    I know he will secure Australia’s export based economy with Australian Ships for resilence and security.
    Abeit with the Unions approval.
    
    At least he understands this aspect.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:45am
Lee C

A rather pallid offering today, Milky.
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June 12, 2022 8:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Feeling rather pale and washed out this morning.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:02am
JimBobJoe

Genetic role in COVID risk…. Dr John Campbell Video…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ItF7uZgRWI
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June 12, 2022 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  JBJ, interesting theory there. I guess it may explain why some people seem to regularly catch bugs while others seem to escape. I note the Jacinda warning at the foot of the video.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are Neanderthals living even now in Auckland.
  I’ll let others guess who and where they are.
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:05am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Explained simply for you here, Steve:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/300239453/covid19-dna-from-neanderthals-affects-vulnerability-to-coronavirus
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Isn’t the last creature a transistor and the second to last saying “Go back, we fucked up!”
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:58am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Thanks Milky, that was a very interesting article.
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:56am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “Science” from $1uffed. Seems legit.
      
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      June 12, 2022 8:40pm
Scott

Impressions of Wellington :
We went to the Wedding Singer at the Wellington Opera house on opening night on Friday. The audience was very enthusiastic. They seemed delighted to at last go to a live show!

Wellington was not as bad as we were led to believe. The shops were open and everything seemed reasonably orderly.

Our city hotel was very quiet. We had dinner in the hotel restaurant and no one else was there. Hotels have really struggled over the last few years.
They had many covid signs including “we’ll get through this together”. As if we’re facing World War 2, trying to survive the London blitz or something!

That was my overwhelming impression of Wellington. People wanting to get moving, businesses wanting to go forward but everybody held back by the covid fear. Masks everywhere!

Kiwibloggers will be pleased to know that your intrepid Explorer didn’t wear a mask once. Not at the hotel, not at the Opera house, not in the shops, not in the cafes, nowhere. And it was great!

Can I urge everyone to ditch the fear, ditch the mask and reclaim your freedom again?Even the government says Omicron is a mild illness for most people.
Ditch the mask and let’s get New Zealand moving again! No masks and no fear!
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June 12, 2022 8:11am
- KH
  
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  Scott: Selfish irresponsible and dumb.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:02am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    I’m 24 hours symptom free today after going down with Covid two weeks ago. It was equivalent to mild to moderate cold and lasted about three days before I started to recover. The last week has been spent recovering from the lingering tiredness and the vague lingering vestiges of symptoms.
    
    1. I’m triple vaccinated.
    
    I didn’t do it because it would stop me getting infected. It is not like the flu vaccine. It is like the shingles vaccine which simply reduces the burden of disease severity and I was well aware of this distinction and limitation.
    
    I got vaccinated simply to reduce the potential for severity of illness should I have been infected. I didn’t do it to “save” my family or anyone else.
    
    This doesn’t mean I’m any less concerned about the possible long-term side effects of vaccination that are now becoming more widely known.
    
    2. I wear my mask as required.
    
    I do this so as not to put undue stress on businesses that are placed in the position of having to uphold the Government’s diktat. And out of respect for them trying to run their businesses.
    
    I don’t do it because I ever thought it was going to save me, or because I agree with Government’s continuing fear narrative. Or because there is good medical evidence that masks work. I am just as disgusted at the Government setting stupid and illogical fear-based rules to keep it in power, like having to wear a mask into a restaurant to save me, but being able to take it off as soon as I sit down. Apparently sitting down gives me instant immunity. Who knew.
    
    3. I took an array of prophylactics over a number of months for immunity support to get myself match fit and ready for game on-vitamins C and D, zinc. Magnesium and iron for general health and optimal red blood oxygen carrying capacity. Not once have I heard any Government messaging on how an individual could take measures to strengthen their health and optimise their response against COVID.
    
    Two vaccinations, a booster, social distancing, Traffic lights and mask wearing later -none of these measures singly or combined stopped me from getting Omicron.
    
    It is time the Government stopped its incessant control of people through these so-called public health initiatives that are designed to ‘save us’.
    
    This is the Emperor with no clothes, and Jacinda Ardern knows it. If these interventions actually worked we wouldn’t have over 3 million infected New Zealanders.
    
    Where is the Prime Minister’s acknowledgment of this fact?
    
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    June 12, 2022 12:46pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Kia ora, you have reached the Prime Minister’s Office.
      
      The current Covid Protection setting is Orange. To protect yourself, your whānau and our vulnerable communities, you must wear a face mask at many indoor venues. Remember, we’re all in this together.
      
      The Prime Minister is currently out of the country.
      To hear todays statement of support for a minister, press 1. To confirm that the Prime Minister stands by all her statements, press 2. To hear local and overseas praise for the Prime Ministers gun control laws, press 3. To hear local and overseas praise for the Prime Ministers Covid response, press 4.
      
      Thank you for contacting the Prime Minister’s office. Your call is valuable to us. Kia kaha, Aotearoa.
      
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      June 12, 2022 9:03pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Mask up, KH. It’ll save you from Covid, ‘Flu, Monkeypox, assist in your erectile disfunction & the growth of a backbone, and may even enable you to see Jacinda in the clear light of day for the saviour she was. //
    
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    June 12, 2022 12:51pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He’s the opposite of “dumb” – he’s speaking up, and speaking out, which is admirable. More should do the same!
    
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    June 12, 2022 8:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Wellington is, in fact, much better than you could ever believe, Scott. We had an infestation of deranged campers earlier in the year, but they eventually were persuaded to crawl back to the holes from which they had emanated.
  Perhaps you don’t realise that mask wearing is voluntary and you just choose to see it as something that confirms your nasty suspicions about humanity.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:05am
  - NK
    
    Liar.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      What an eloquent reduttal.
      
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      June 12, 2022 9:37am
      - NK
        
        I’m about to jump on a plane to fly to Wellington. Masks mandatory. Government owned entity.
        
        Liar.
        
        For the record, I’m not wearing one.
        
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        June 12, 2022 9:43am
  - Debsta
    
    I see masks as a symbol of a very effective fear campaign by politicians and ‘experts’. And conformity. They have absolutely nothing to do with health.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:29am
  - Peter Lane
    
    You must wear a face mask:
    
    on domestic flights
    on public transport, this includes Cook Strait Ferries but does not include passengers within their allocated carriage on specified Kiwirail services or when you are on a ship that does not have an enclosed space for passengers
    at indoor arrival and departure points for domestic flights and public transport
    if you are aged 12 years or over on Ministry of Education funded school transport and public transport
    in taxis or ride share vehicles
    inside a retail business, for example supermarkets, shopping malls, pharmacies, petrol stations, and takeaway food stores
    inside public facilities, such as museums and libraries, but not at swimming pools
    at a vet clinic
    visiting the indoor area of a court or tribunal — unless the judicial officer does not require them
    at premises operated by local and central government agencies, social service providers, and NZ Police
    in the public area of premises operated by NZ Post Limited
    when visiting a healthcare service, for example a healthcare or aged care facility (unless you are a patient).
    
    Doesn’t sound very voluntary to me. Just another of your little fabrications.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Sorry for not being specific enough. I was referring to Scott’s desire to see fewer people wearing masks when they are out and about.
      I think that a few of the generally deranged Kiwiblog commenters genuinely believe that most people don’t want to wear masks, and find it difficult to believe that most people want to wear masks.
      
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      June 12, 2022 9:40am
      - hookerphil
        
        Hate to agree with you but I have noticed that when this type of subject is ever in a place where comments are allowed the vast majority appear to take this view. I would think they are all from the Cindy saved us camp but there are plenty of them out there. Personally I do not, ever.
        
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        June 12, 2022 9:47am
      - CJames
        
        Have you any proof that most people want to wear masks? Or is it another authoritarian self -justification? Round here, it seems near everyone rips off their mask as they are leaving shops – the few buses we have are always empty – but that is just anecdote.
        
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        June 12, 2022 9:52am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Sorry that is totally deluded. Every person I have asked in my extended family, and every business colleague (not Wellington public servants) have all said how utterly they are over it.
        
        If the mask mandates were removed tomorrow, usage would plummet.
        
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        June 12, 2022 10:00am
      - mikenmildagain
        
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        Benedict, I am happy for you that everyone you know agrees with you.
        
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        June 12, 2022 10:12am
      - NK
        
        Most people DO NOT want to wear masks.
        
        Liar.
        
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        June 12, 2022 10:48am
      - rouppe
        
        That’s not what I see. I was in taupo last weekend, and not even shop staff wore them.
        
        Masks are heinous. If you want to wear a burka, go ahead. I want the right to make my own choice
        
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        June 12, 2022 2:12pm
  - Joely Doe
    
    Bollocks.
    Masks are still mandatory on NZ in retail spaces, airports, flights and public transport.
    Healthcare services, medical clinics etc are still mandatory mask wearing.
    Voluntary?
    Bullshit.
    
    I don’t wear a mask as I follow the science (isn’t that the mantra these days?). 160 studies, and counting, show masks do not work against a respiratory virus.
    Recently flew CHCH-AKLD return sans mask. Only one on the full planes not wearing a mask…
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:42am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I flew to Australia earlier this week with no mask on at the airport or on the plane. The friendly Air NZ crew member asked nicely if I had an exemption or did I forget my mask. I replied just as nicely that I have an exemption and asked if she’d like to see it. She said no, not at all, have a nice flight.
      
      On arrival at the airport there were announcements and signs stating that masks had to be worn, I continued my bare-faced freedom without mention or even interest from anyone.
      
      To get an exemption you merely have to go to the Covid website and declare that you’re unable to wear a mask, and they email you the exemption immediately. While I don’t wish to play their game, I have no objection to gaming their useless system and claiming an entirely bogus exemption.
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:07pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        Thank you for that, never thought of it……. Easy….. Put in back pocket for the SA’s
        
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        June 13, 2022 7:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The mask slips, revealing the ugly visage and inner nastiness of a KB regular.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:48am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I was at the protest, your description of those there is an utter lie but reflects the disgusting attitude that seems to have completely taken over Ardern’s supporters.
    
    There was the full range of the population of NZ represented at the protest. Every possible walk of life and in numbers reflecting their proportion of our society.
    In contrast, watching those dependent on their livelihoods for crumbs from the detached and aloof parasites in the government bureaucracy was a telling observation. In the main, sad and pathetic people shuffling along with their masks and their briefcases, devoid of any spark of humanity. Heads bowed, lifeless. It was pitiful.
    
    Thankfully there were plenty of exceptions. Those who summed up the “courage” for walks through the camp on their lunch and coffee breaks with astonished expressions as they moved unmolested. None of the lies as portrayed by the media. No spitting, no abuse. Nothing but smiling faces.
    I know. I met many who came along every 10 minutes to drop of car loads of supplies, food, clothes and many other items. Middle class and wealthy Wellingtonians, (based on their vehicles and clothes), thanking those cooking and volunteering. The saddest part was their fear of getting their photo taken in case their “friends” or neighbours saw them. They were worried what those others would think. This is the level of fear and division deliberately created by Ardern, Mallard, Wood and those other sick people who deliberately lied and portrayed those opposed to the draconian actions of a tyrannical government as scum.
    
    You have absolutely zero idea regarding what went down during that period. It was certainly nothing like what was portrayed in the media or by certain politicians, particularly Wood.
    
    Mask wearing is a sign of compliance, nothing more. It is done by either those who have been terrified by the constant and deliberate psychological bombardment of lies over the last 2 years, or those who wish to virtue signal their compliance. “Look at me, I’m a good person”. Bullshit. Or worse, those who know it is a complete sham but don’t have the moral fortitude or backbone to stand up to this tyranny. For that is what this is.
    It has been a tragedy to me witnessing the descent of a once proud Labour movement, now hijacked by woke, weak, faux leftists. The most pathetic of creatures, exemplified by your daily inane dribbling on this blog.
    
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    June 12, 2022 12:31pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Well said, Clan.
      
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      June 12, 2022 12:57pm
    - DenisPurdy
      
      I can confirm what you say about the protestors. I was not a participant though I did support their cause. I am vaccinated (being in my mid sixties) but I always thought that vaccine mandates were stupid and wrong.
      I walk past Parliament on my daily walk from home to work so I walked through the protest every work day that the protest was present – except for the last day. I never had a problem with any of the protestors behaviour. Of course, being someone who has been maskless outdoors, they could see my face and could see that I bore them no animosity. I was polite and friendly and they reciprocated.
      The vaccine mandate was never about what most people pretended it was about I.e preventing spread, because it was incapable of doing that. The vaccine did not stop vaccinated people from catching or spreading Covid. By the time the protest was happening 90% of the vulnerable pop were vaxxed. So you were many times more likely to catch it from a vaxxed person than an unvaxxed.
      The sole purpose of the mandate was to coerce people in getting vaccinated, and it worked. But by the time of the protest that had run its course and anyone unvaxxed was never going to take under any circumstances (except being strapped down and forcibly injected). The protestors’ cause was entirely just and Mike just demonstrates that the BS ‘kind’ facade of the left is cover for their malevolent fascistic inclinations.
      
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      June 12, 2022 12:58pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Explained eloquently. How is it possible that there wasn’t a single journalist in this country able to present that story with even a modicum of balance? Not one. Every article was derogatory, hate filled smear. I hadn’t felt joy like I did during my time there in years. Genuine feelings of well being and belonging and togetherness. I am glad others witnessed the same thing.
        
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        June 12, 2022 5:17pm
    - artemisia
      
      I was also there, not all the time. Agree completely with your post. I took supplies, but quite possibly they were not needed as the admin and other tents were packed with items.
      
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      June 12, 2022 2:53pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Artemisia that was one of the astonishing problems. The volumes were incredible.
        One example was orchardists from Hawkes Bay who personally delivered 50 boxes of prime eating apples. We were prevented from taking them down to the food area in the van by the police. We physically walked them down. We had passers by coming over and grabbing a box and walking them the 150m or so to the food distribution area. One extremely well dressed lady apologised for not being able to carry the heavy boxes but offered to bring a trolley round the next day to make the task easier. I don’t know if she did, but she genuinely cared and was visibly concerned about what she was. witnessing. A human being with compassion.
        Unlike milkey and his ilk who still happily describe their fellow humans as scum for exposing their dear leader as the petty, venal pos that she is.
        Thank you for your efforts to help.
        
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        June 12, 2022 5:28pm
  - rouppe
    
    Mask wearing is not optional. Required in malls, supermarkets, shops, service stations, public transport, airlines, common areas in my place of work.
    
    Pisses me off.
    
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    June 12, 2022 2:01pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Get the exemption – it’s a piece of cake, requires self-verification only, and is emailed to you instantly.
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:40pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Notice all how he/she took you down a stupid rabbit hole? End up arguing the toss with he / she on some ridiculous point and wonder how it got there….my advice is just ignore he / she to start with. He / she seems to come in here for this express purpose, better not to engage IMO
    
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    June 12, 2022 7:59pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Wilder: I prefer to downtick and move on. He’s not worth the effort.
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:00pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        I don’t downtick any more either as he probably gets off on how many people he can annoy.
        
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        June 13, 2022 7:36am
- blue collar
  
  We’ll said brother Scott . Bang on .
  Don’t let the wowsers like kh hold us back people
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:50am
- Bridgenag
  
  Did you notice that Cindy was not wearing a mask and hugged and kissed while O/S “Some are more equal than others”
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If Jaspinda does not wear a mask in New York or San Francisco, then I don’t have to wear one in Auckland. Why follow mandates made by a hypocrite?
    Yesterday, Glenfield Mall, I counted 70 or more not complying. Looks like people have had enough of Jaspinda’s psychotic nonsense.
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:17am
- mogg
  
  I am pleased to see that approx 50% of people on Lambton Quay are no longer wearing masks.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:06am
  - artemisia
    
    Interesting, as I would say more like 20% in Lambton Quay with no masks. This was last week. Countdown by the Cable Car – all masked up (except me). On the bus 90% masked.
    
    Can only explain it by suggesting depends on time of day and most are public servants.
    
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    June 12, 2022 2:58pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Scotty boy – Do not sympathise about Wellingto. Like Dunedin and New Plymouth this is a Labour city. They vote Grant Robber(tson) with increased majority every election. They elect Soaring Paul Eagle in Rangotai. Have you ever heard of one thing Soaring Paul Eagle did in parliament?
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:33am
  - zulumonster
    
    About as much as he’s going to achieve as the next Wellington mayor … zero.
    
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    June 12, 2022 5:45pm
- Mummy
  
  I have been back working in Wellington near Parliament for a couple of months and am astounded at the numbers of people wearing masks outside in the fresh air. And it has been particularly fresh lately. And very moist too. Don’t they know they don’t have to wear a mask outside? Or are they following Jacinda’s encouragement that they should even though it’s totally bonkers to wear a mask in the rain.
  
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  June 12, 2022 12:56pm
G152

I have a great idea for dairy owners to advertise their services.
It involves a mains electrical net across the shop front fhat powers various neon signs randomly.
Of course there will be warning signs to comply with H&S and this system may take some time to fully install.
And a cutoff of say 5 minutes in case by some accident a vehicle hits the building so rescuers will be safe.
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June 12, 2022 8:23am
- Master Mariner
  
  Made me laugh,
  
  For anti piracy measures we have explosive doors installed for certain operating areas.
  
  I guess the H&S here in NZ is for the perpetrators and not the property owners.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I saw an article last week about a well-fortified dairy. The owner was however selling thousands of dollars worth of tobacco to hooded customers making multiple pay wave transactions with multiple cards, so perhaps he was wise to expect a certain type of clientele.
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why rescue them? Defeats the purpose!
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:18am
  - G152
    
    No. It protects the rescuers so only the perps get affected
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Have folks been underestimating Nanaia Mahuta’s strategic skills?

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/sister-act-just-how-powerful-will-tipa-mahuta-be
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June 12, 2022 8:26am
- CJames
  
  The Mahuta’s business model is very dependent on Labour staying in power. A change of government will see their business empire collapse. They may need to be prudent and put a hold on all those blinged up black Ford Rangers for the whanau until after the election.
  
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  June 12, 2022 8:48am
  - Blackbob
    
    Surely you mean “blinged up Black Teslas”? Think of the children….
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:09am
    - CJames
      
      Strangely, the only EVs I have ever seen in the local iwi office’s carpark are Council ones where it must be local bureaucrats have driven up the 400m to pay homage. I don’t think Leafs get you much cachet at the marae.
      
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      June 12, 2022 9:47am
      - rouppe
        
        Coz ev’s can’t tow the taonga that the Treaty says they have to have tax free
        
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        June 12, 2022 2:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never mind “The tide is going out very quickly and we are about to see much more clearly who has been swimming naked.” NZ needs someone to “Drain the Swamp”
    The Public Sector needs to be halved. Too many troughers doing nothing except waiting for a wage slip.
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:28am
  - Paulus
    
    How much will redundencies cost us when Labour /Maori get the boot ?
    
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    June 12, 2022 1:33pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Whatever the cost, it’s the best way to stop the hemorrhaging. Do it at once!
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:45pm
Padriv Ustoev

Yesterday, for the first time I gathered the courage to take my daughter to the library and shopping at Boatany Mall without wearing a mask.
We spent over 2 hours at the mall, visited several shops.
No one stopped me or payed any attention to the fact that I had no mask on.
It was glorious.
Non compliance works.
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June 12, 2022 8:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  Good job.
  
  I’m occasionally stopped : “Do you have a mask?”
  
  I simply answer “No”, and this is seldom questioned.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If you are stopped you automatically know which side of the coin they are on. Just tell them you refuse to comply with psychotic nonsense. They are dumbfounded and have no reply.
    Done it about 5 times now.
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:33am
  - Opie
    
    KK – I also like “would yiu like a mask”. No thank you, but could you please let me know where I can find (whatever you have come for) then they carry on like normal.
    
    One officious lady asked if I had an exemption to which I replied, you can’t even ask me that, now do you want my $43 for something you probably bought wholesale for $12 or not?
    
    She did apparently…
    
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    June 12, 2022 1:06pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Opie, they can ask you that, in order for them to comply with the law.
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:47pm
- fernglas
  
  What a sad little country you live in, that you feel afraid to go out in public without doing something the rest of the world acepted as futile months ago.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That seems a very odd, not to mention self-congratulatory, definition of courage.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:08am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, many kiwis have been punched senseless by Jacinda’s lot but as the Soviets found with the satellite regimes, the basic human urge for freedom will eventually shine through.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:26am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Do you ever, ever, ever tire of being a troll and frankly a bit of a dickhead? Its very tedious Michael… very
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:50am
  - patreon_36178434
    
    It is not (usually) in my nature to deprecate others, but I have to say that m@m and alter egos post the most inane comments I ever see on Kiwiblog. I’m not into deplatforming as I’m a big believer in the comment usually attributed to Voltaire, but for one (?) person I could just about make an exception
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Thank you for your feedback. Please email DPF to ask whether he would like to change his comments policy. He has before, and it cut out lots of racist and sexist abuse, so he might be willing to consider your suggestion.
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:56am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Pretty much bang on. Did you notice how he / she has replied as if your comment was directed to himself / herself? Utterly deluded. Personally I think he / she would chalk it up as a victory if banned on here, so I’d rather not see it happen. Perhaps we can just vainly hope that he / she develops some belated self awareness and goes off somewhere else. It’s quite pathetic how long it’s gone on.
      
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      June 12, 2022 8:04pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Or you could just ignore it, as most of us (mostly) manage to do.
        
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        June 12, 2022 10:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can you repeat that? I did not catch all you said with your mask on
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      3 downticks. That means Mike is using 3 of his multiple accounts
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:45am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Yes I noted that yesterday, one downtick while Mike was on blog, 2nd downtick when milkenmild, 3rd down tick once Muttonbird showed up. No rebuttal. No rational comment. Strange for Multiple Personality Disorder for each persona to share identical modus operandi.
        
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        June 12, 2022 6:22pm
- artemisia
  
  Wellington pop up CBD library is the only place I am asked if I have a mask. There is what appears to be a full time security person there, much needed for the dozen or so patrons there any time I’ve been there. Thanks ratepayers for keeping the fearful safe.//
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:03am
  - mogg
    
    That’s the one where there are always more staff than customers (at the ratepayers expense).
    They used to insist on name, address and phone number before allowing entry. Something has changed though because Arapaki Manners was always stacked with copies of the Guardian and nothing else, now it has gone.
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:45am
- curry4me
  
  I still get eyeballed by security guards at the main library in Christchurch when I have my eemption card on a lanyard around my neck.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:28am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Padriv – CCTV video footage of you and your daughter roaming around without masks has reached Cindy’s office. Expect a knock on the door from police any time now.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:35am
- Opie
  
  Well done Padriv.
  
  Just remember, if masks actually helped they would force the kids to wear them too and every restaraunt and oub etc would be closed.
  
  They are an iq test.
  
  Having complied for the first couple of months (I’m generally law abiding) i haven’t worn one for the last few months now and will never wear one again.
  
  No one seems to challenge it.
  
  The mandates ended when we stood up to them.
  
  Masks will end when we stand up to them
  
  This ends when we say it does.
  
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  June 12, 2022 1:03pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Opie – I agree with your sentiment, we must oppose as much as possible. Please remember the mandates haven’t ended for everyone. Still mandated for health, border, aged care etc workers. Despite not stopping people from catching or spreading the illness.
    
    Still some industries doing voluntary mandates ie can’t work in film and television without vaccine.
    
    Liebour have just extended their emergency powers until the end of the year.
    
    Again our so called Opposition parties are missing in action.
    
    We may have won a battle for the majority with vax mandates, but we are not winning the war.
    
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    June 12, 2022 6:30pm
- Inthe09
  
  I’ve not been wearing one for a few weeks now. Malls, supermarkets, Mitre10 etc, no one has said anything – apart from one staff member at Briscoes.
  
  Honestly the more people just stop wearing them the better, it’ll snowball so only the ‘true believers’ are left wearing them.
  
  Want to wear a mask, go right ahead but don’t force it on the rest of us.
  
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  June 12, 2022 3:47pm
artemisia

President Biden is pressing the large oil and gas companies to get producing. I expect he is aware that New Zealand has vast fossil fuel resources and had a quiet word with Ms Ardern to drill, baby.

Biden on Friday blamed large oil and gas companies for not doing more to increase production, accusing them of choosing profits over lower prices for Americans. “They’re not drilling. Why aren’t they drilling? Because they make more money not producing more oil,” Biden said. “The price goes up.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/06/11/gas-prices-biden-economy/
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June 12, 2022 8:42am
- CJames
  
  He is just trying to shift the blame for his disastrous policies – amazing what being polled as worst President ever does to even the senile. If he wanted to them to drill, he would remove the restrictions he placed on drilling in the US. That isn’t happening. He just wants the US to buy Venezualan oil instead
  
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  June 12, 2022 8:53am
  - gravedodger
    
    CJ do you seriously believe and accept the product from the senile old bastards gob is generated in his labyrinth like brain with many more holes than any swiss cheese.
    Even that session with Jimmy Kimmel was dependent on auto cue cameras.
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Saudi Arabia is the largest supplier to the US
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/08/where-america-oil-come-from/
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:10am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Which is why Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden et al make their regular pilgrimages to Riyadh to genuflect before their king.
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:38am
    - CJames
      
      Before Biden came to power, the US was briefly a net exporter of oil and gas. First time in decades, all due to fracking and an expansive drilling programe, thanks to the hands off policies of you know who. They did still import both crude and products, but all their exports were refined product – what used to be called value added.
      If the Keystone pipeline had gone ahead, I thought most of their crude was going to come from Canada.
      
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      June 12, 2022 12:11pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes indeed, In fact was just going to post something similar.
  https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/President-Biden-Looks-For-Ways-To-Increase-US-Refining-Capacity.html
  And,
  https://www.thebalance.com/loss-of-refineries-a-factor-in-high-gas-prices-5272489
  The thing of interest to me was the fact the Gulf is gearing up for a ripper of a Typhoon season ( Cyclone here) with extremely warm water (High energy).
  This will be in a direct firing line for the refineries.
  Bidens energy policy ( Not as bad as Aderns) is directly responsible for high prices , at least Internally.
  Iran and Venezuala and Now Saudi ignore them, So the future is not looking too bright short term.
  Here’s another article,
  https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/factors-converging-push-gas-prices-higher-85332188
  So I ask again, How is NZ policy of “Banning oil and Gas” drilling? And throw in the closure of Marsden Pt.
  With the closure of Marsden Pt, The question is about supply and “QUALITY” of overseas refined products, Diesel, Av Gas, etc.
  Adern and Bidden, Have the same Modi Operandi, Cause the problem, Then Blame others then sacrifice other deals to fix, ie renegotiate sanctions with Iran, etc. (Feel free to add to the list as it really keeps on giving).
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:06am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I should have thought you realised that the closure of Marsden Point was a commercial decision by the owners, not a consequence of any government policy. Unless you also think the closure of most refineries in Australia was the policy of their governments.
    I have seen this odd comment about Marsden Point over and over again on this blog. Whatever one thinks of the decision to halt new oil and gas exploration, that had no impact on refining here.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:46am
    - Master Mariner
      
      A commercial decision of mine would be not to allow you any where onboard my vessel.
      Lucky Maritime Law allows me to action this if required.
      
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      June 12, 2022 9:56am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I have no interest in voyaging on clapped-out rust buckets commanded by the deranged.
        
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        June 12, 2022 10:58am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MM – If not you have a plank no doubt.
        
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        June 12, 2022 1:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The current Govt should have purchased Marsden, but they have gone climate change/electric mad
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:13am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Never figured you for a fan of government-run businesses, Steve. You have surprising depths.
        
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        June 12, 2022 11:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I just find it disappointing that we only had one refinery and it is going. The pipe is there to transport the fuel to Auckland. I have been to Marsden and watched the video on how different fuels go through the same pipe.
        It is all such a waste after all that went into it – plus the job losses, but that is the socialist way
        
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        June 12, 2022 1:20pm
- Master Mariner
  
  This keeps on coming up.
  When the hell did we “subscribe” to the ESG scam ?
  
  https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/President-Biden-Looks-For-Ways-To-Increase-US-Refining-Capacity.html
  
  “at a time when the rise of the ESG movement is signaling to oil and gas companies that their products may no longer be needed that far into the future.”
  
  Does any one know?
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Folks in NZ have been working around policy on environmental sustainability for decades.
    
    Quite a few companies, Departments, Councils can see the benefit of greenwashing their endeavours and enterprises.
    
    https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/15110-international-developments-in-sustainability-reporting-pdf
    
    At a Compulsory level, NZ Financial institutions will be expected to disclose their climate-related risks and GHG emissions from Next year.
    
    https://legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2021/0030/latest/LMS479633.html?src=qs
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:37am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks Maggy, From the Link
      “Disclaimer
      The views, opinions, findings, and conclusions expressed in this paper are strictly those of the author(s). They do not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment or the New Zealand Government. The Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment and the New Zealand Government take no responsibility for any errors or omissions in, or for the correctness of, the information contained here. The paper is presented not as policy, but with a view to inform and stimulate wider debate. ”
      
      So where was the wider Debate ?
      
      Obviously the only debate NZ had was behind closed doors at Blackrock.
      
      Talk about creative accounting, The only people who will benefit will be accountants. Talk about trying to measure the immeasurable.
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:00am
- Mike H S
  
  If you read the latest reports you see that the USA has the largest oil deposits known. Greater than Saudi Arabia, Russia and Venezuela. So Jo Biden has the answer in his own hands. All he has to say is “Get drilling people” and stop all the silly bans he has put in place and the price of oil would come down significantly.
  
  You have the power Jo. Make it happen and stop complaining.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:35am
- Nickc2
  
  Biden and Cindy have a lot in common, not the least being they’re both fucking liars.
  Biden canceled the Keystone XL cross-border oil pipeline permit and drilling on public land hence their oil and gas problems.
  Cindy canceled all pending oil and gas drilling licenses at the behest of a bunch of teacher-motivated school kids hence no more oil and gas exploration in NZ in the future and probably beyond.
  And the rest KBers is history. Anything else is more Govt BS and lies.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cancelling the pipeline cost a lot of potential employment too, but that is the Socialist way. A leaf out of Jaspinda’s book on” How to Fuck a Country”
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:19am
  - mogg
    
    Your first sentence sums the situation up quite nicely.
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:49am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sleepy doesn’t know Cindy makes petrol from water in NZ.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:36am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Sleepy doesn’t know Cindy makes petrol WITH water in NZ.
    There fixed it for you.
    I am actually serious.
    
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    June 12, 2022 12:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ’s great educational divide

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128908703/the-ticking-timebomb-forcing-students-out-of-school-and-into-work

Just 23.2% of south Auckland school leavers from public schools left in 2020 with university entrance, compared to nearly half of students in the rest of Auckland.

Across Auckland, just 7% of leavers graduate with less than their NCEA level 1 certificates. In south Auckland, it’s 17.6%.
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June 12, 2022 8:54am
- Master Mariner
  
  Too me its simple,
  If not at school at age 17 then straight to Compulsary Military training for 2 years.
  I mean how hard is it,?
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did you do CMT?
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:46am
    - pdm
      
      Irrelevant Mikey.
      
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      June 12, 2022 9:57am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Good question, In a way I did.
      I left school at 15 then went to sea as a Fisherman. Best thing ever .
      Raised up in the school of hard knocks and learnt my place pretty quick and gained a lot of respect for my crew mates.
      Similar to CMT dont you think?
      
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      June 12, 2022 9:59am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No, it’s really not remotely similar, unless you think your fishing trips were compelled by the government.
        
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        June 12, 2022 11:00am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        When the UK had National Service of 2 years and you went to sea in the MN you had to do 5 years ( I think) so you could be exempt from Nat Service.
        
        Leave MN before 5 years then 2 years square bashing.
        
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        June 12, 2022 11:02am
      - NK
        
        Point is, school taught you very little but work would have taught you much more.
        
        Yet we not only compel children to stay there, we also mandate the teaching of useless subjects that most have no interest in.
        
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        June 12, 2022 1:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, at 11.0 on going to sea, fishing, at 15 compared with compulsory military training: … No, it’s really not remotely similar….
        
        Milky, you are undoubtedly the most pompous land lubber in this little country.
        
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        June 12, 2022 1:50pm
      - Sparrow
        
        Not sure when National Service ended in the UK. Can assure you going to sea in the Merchant Navy at 16 in tramp ships not fancy passenger ships or posh shipping lines was a lot tougher than doing square bashing. Cleaning out hold full of goat shit, working weekends oiling greasing steam winches as owners would not pay deck crew overtime. We got 7 pound a month as an apprentice. Would not have missed it for the world you grew up quick
        
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        June 12, 2022 2:48pm
  - hookerphil
    
    I presume that Holyoake and Kirk not making it to High School would have had to spend 5 years doing CMT.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not everyone has a farm that they can work on and take over, or has a school teacher mum who ensures your further education (Holyoake).
      
      The days have gone when a 12 year-old can walk into a decent apprenticeship and pick up loads of practical skills (Kirk).
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:47am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Holyoake was too busy to go to war. Rumour had it that he needed to concentrate on getting the national party to buy him a farm.
      Norman Kirk was called up in WW2 but was medically unfit.
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s no rumour, mma.
        
        It is a documented fact that the Dannevirke branch of the Nats wanted him as their MP and raised a quarter of the price of the farm.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/84339725/farm-used-to-lure-sir-keith-holyoake-north-goes-under-the-hammer
        
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        June 12, 2022 11:35am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks, I couldn’t remember and didn’t have my books to hand. And as a farmer in his mid-30s he would not have been conscripted.
        
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        June 12, 2022 12:29pm
  - Nickc2
    
    FYI, the Military has entry standards that would probably negate the entry of many such people.
    The military contrary to popular leftist beliefs is not one bunch of meat heads killing another bunch of meat heads at the behest of Politicians and it hasn’t been for many decades.
    Weapons and associated systems are highly technical these days and they require a high level of mental and physical skills in their preparation/selection, operation and maintenance.
    It should be remembered that a great many of the tools, appliances and systems used in civilian life grew out of military need, design and use.
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:13am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      NZDF has been complaining for years about the standard of education and the resources needed to get the new entrants up to speed when they join.
      
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      June 12, 2022 10:59am
      - Master Mariner
        
        I personally think its a world wide trend.
        Same as the Merchant Navy FTM is it not?
        
        We spend a huge amount of time and resources “re educating” to the required standards needed.
        
        Yep school today does not cut the mustard for success unless you want to be a school teacher.
        
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        June 12, 2022 2:37pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Military have Guns.
      Guns are bad//
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:24am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, Same as forks.
        Watch out for the gun in one hand and a fork in the other type person.
        You really do not know how it will pan out//
        
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        June 12, 2022 2:40pm
    - Nickc2
      
      It’s a lot easier to become a Police Officer than it is a Military Officer. Given our Police Officers, that’s not hard to accept these days eh?
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:59am
      - Nickc2
        
        Perhaps we should make such people serve at least two years in the Police Force?
        There you go, problem solved.
        Then, many Jails can then be used for KO’s emergency housing. That’ll please Kelvin Davis, Poto Williams and Megan Woods.
        
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        June 12, 2022 12:36pm
  - Colville
    
    MM.
    Its pretty hard and very stupid.
    With no infrastructure or staff how exactly are you going to “train” anyone? and train them for what?
    and if Little Johnny just says no?
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:17am
    - Master Mariner
      
      A Fair comment and deserves a lengthy response however I will reply in brief .
      First of all identify the problem then come up with a solution.
      In this case Kids not going to school and becoming a drain on society in more importantly not realising their full potential themselves( Human nature, to become first or the best etc or as best as possible in any given field). ie No Yardstick from which too measure themselves.
      To do this you need you need to dismantle the teenagers by putting them under sustained pressure ( Is this not what the Army already do ?).
      Have something like a “3 strikes Rule” regarding truancy etc and then compulsary “boot camp”.
      All it takes is a “Will” and I am pretty sure there are enough NZ’ers out there willing to support and help but really needs some structure.
      Has any party got the political will ?
      There will always be a degree of separation between armed forces and “boot camp”.
      Options are the gangs for some ? Why you might ask. Well they never got the support from Family etc and again one of Human needs is too “Feel as they belong”.
      So the question is if they can feel as they belong in a gang then why the hell not can they not “Feel as they belong” in CMT.?
      As MW said it is not a good idea to keep at school if they are disruptive, I fully agree and feel I was one of those MW suggests.
      But at the end of the day I went through a “Boot camp of sorts” and have absolutely no regrets and feel sorry for those who do not get this opportunity as there is currently little reward for those who can not associate with school , Hence the Gang problem.
      
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      June 12, 2022 2:18pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Is this really the issue – UE passes?
  
  Functional skills in reading, writing, math are what children need.
  
  For a lot of kids, especially boys, school is dull and a chore. Boys also have a higher interest in things so 6th form English studying Shakespeare etc wont appeal a lot
  
  I really think a lot of boys in particular would benefit from attending secondary schools with a focus on practical skills (mechanical, carpentry, metalwork studies etc) where the need for good reading, writing and math skills can be put in a more realistic perspective for them
  
  I know a fair few blokes who only showed aptitude for studying the books when they were at polytech doing trade related courses. At College they were their for shop classes and eating lunch plus sports… rest of the time they were just goofing off in classes…
  
  The linkage to interest in education is undered value with secondary schools stupid focus on bs NCEA like barista skills for the non academic biding their time to leave school and over emphasis on prep for Uni.
  
  Our Unis have too many crap courses on offer and too many students doing meh degrees in communications etc – producing people useful for nothing but Government policy analysts. And we have way too many policy analysts being busy bodies and trying to fix areas that they have little practical knowledge of and don’t need their sticky beaks in
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Trust me…
    I’m no fan of a one-size-fits-all approach to School Education, especially as pupils reach their mid-teens.
    
    But it is hopeless if we have students who want to stay in schooling, but can’t afford to and/or can’t cope with the limited curriculum on offer.
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:05am
  - mogg
    
    McQualificatins can now get you a long way especially in Wgtn,
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:54am
Sparrow

The use or non use of masks has me completely confused. There is no logic. Went to the Inside Dali exhibition yesterday. Masks not compulsory. Big crowd close together I guess about a quarter without masks including me. Then got on the ferry masks compulsory very few on ferry fresh air could be on deck but kept being reminded to wear a mask. It’s lunacy
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June 12, 2022 8:57am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Had to wear a mask while waiting in line to order takeaway. After ordering I sat down at one of the empty eating tables while waiting for my order and got to take my mask off.
  
  Incredibly silly.
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That Covid virus is very tricky and clever – knows if you are standing or sitting.
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:30am
  - Niz
    
    What I’ve seen at various takeaway shops is that there is a mix of both proprietors and customers wearing/not wearing masks – in the same shop.
    Last night at the pizzeria one guy had a mask on, one was using it to hold his chin up, and another didn’t bother at all.
    I’m a bit of a whimp, so had mine at the ready if somebody said something, but nobody seemed to give a toss.
    Same thing was going on at another just down the road.
    The end of idiotic mask rules can’t come soon enough.
    
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    June 12, 2022 12:03pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t comply and it ends. If it doesn’t end then we get to expose Ardern for the fascist she is.
    
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    June 12, 2022 1:24pm
Souvlaki

Another robust article by Amy Brooke about the global warming scam.We are the MOST gullible people in NZ….cerebral capacities of lemmings!
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/06/ignorant-or-subversive/
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June 12, 2022 8:59am
- Master Mariner
  
  Regarding sea level rise,
  Its been outsourced to a an entity starting at 2005 and projected to 2100 ?
  I previously posted this “projection” on KB as it would appear to be incorrect as “I assume” it would be on a Linear scale.
  So from 2005 to now 2022 then sea level rise would be immediately noticeable, A lass it was not.
  I can only “assume” the data came from NIWA ( All council data came from here) and is trying to have a degree of separation from them?
  Councils and Insurers are rubbing their hands with Glee with this “New ” data.
  Another “Theft” by deception.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:24am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Heres the link again,
    https://www.searise.nz/maps
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:10am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association used to collate the results before it changed in 2005. Not much chance to fiddle if they are doing it. NIWA seems quite good at manipulating data (cool the past, warm the present…)
    Here’s a link to the NZ Record
    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_global_country.html?gid=1276
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:11am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It would appear that the Auckland Tide Gauge might give the best value of Sea-level rise for NZ.
      
      Much of NZ is heavily affected by continuing land-rise/land subsidence (VLM-Vertical Land Motion) from tectonic effects.
      
      All detailed here:
      
      However, this study indicates that regional tectonic signals have affected the Wellington, Christchurch (Lyttelton), and Dunedin TG records over at least the last two decades. The Auckland TG site has an excellent TG record and VLM appears to be consistent at the regional level. This site should be regarded as the most reliable of the New Zealand TG sites.
      
      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338368485_Sea_Level_Rise_in_New_Zealand_The_Effect_of_Vertical_Land_Motion_on_Century-Long_Tide_Gauge_Records_in_a_Tectonically_Active_Region
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:14am
  - G152
    
    Just look at the tide gauge next time you’re off out.
    
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    June 12, 2022 10:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sea level rises twice a day. Any man of the sea knows that.
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:32am
- Niz
  
  From that article I was led to this one by a NZ scientist (a real one, not an alarmist).
  I’d never heard of him until now (thanks, MSM)
  He calls climate change alarmism out for what it is… nonsense.
  https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Global-Warming-Dr-David-Kear.pdf
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:57am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He was Head of NZ Geological Survey in its Glory days… then he was Head of DSIR in the 1980s…
    
    He died a couple of years ago.
    
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    June 12, 2022 5:58pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The DSIR produced some outstanding public servants, like Probine and Williams.
      
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      June 12, 2022 6:31pm
Philview

I just read Bryce Edwards’ article at The Democracy Project site about NZ First and the need for electoral reform. Bryce is concerned about people buying policy influence. I think in a democracy it is ok for people who want to get certain policy in place to have the ability to donate to political parties. There has been debate about having just state funded political parties. This raises the question on what is a fair split of funding between parties. The party with the most seats getting the most funding would be disturbing. How would new parties get reasonable funding? DF has mentioned on this site before that the current law seems to be working with the SFO investigating issues.
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June 12, 2022 9:14am
- NK
  
  He’s worried about people buying policy influence? What the actual? That’s the raison d etre of our political system. All parties sell policy influence. That’s why the system is corrupt. Politicians of ALL persuasions ask for votes in return for handing out favours all over the country.
  
  For example, Labour promises an extra 2 billion on health in return for votes. National says it’ll spend 3 billion.
  
  It’s how it works. Bryce hasn’t figured this out??
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You have a very broad definition of corruption. I’d like to see an example from you of how a polity would work entirely free from corruption as you define it.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:59am
  - pdm
    
    NK – then there are the Unions.
    
    Charter Schools anyone.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:59am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Why should my tax dollars fund parties I despise? If they can’t raise enough to campaign it’s probably because people don’t support them enough to put their hands in their pockets. Giving them funding from the tax payer just means we will have parties of evermore fringe and minority standpoints clogging up the political stage. Imagine the racist idiots that head the Māori party if there were no restraints on their behaviour because their funding was guaranteed!
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:36am
  - NK
    
    No. You’re wrong. It’ll function just like the broadcasting allocations do, where the existing two main parties benefit greatly, with the minor parties struggling for funding. Simply put, it will ensure Labour and National is well funded, yet Greens, Act and the like won’t be.
    
    Worse, these minor parties will be prohibited from raising their own money.
    
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    June 12, 2022 1:50pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      And it will strengthen the dependence on the gummint for pretty much everything.
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think Dr Edwards is naive to believe that folks will happily play by rules forced through parliament by a self-interested political party.
  
  It’s therefore extremely timely that the Government is currently reforming political donation laws.
  
  https://democracyproject.nz/2022/06/11/bryce-edwards-nz-firsts-court-trial-shows-the-need-for-political-finance-reform/
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think Dr Edwards is naive if he believes that there is any political party that will not attempt to get around whatever rules are put in place that might constrain how they want to operate.
    
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    June 12, 2022 9:56am
    - Nickc2
      
      Speaking of Political Parties rorting Political Donations, what’s the latest on NZ 1st does anyone know? I know they were in court but haven’t seen anything since.
      Apologies for getting off subject mike.
      
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      June 12, 2022 12:50pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Thank you Captain Obvious. A great re-telling of the exact thing Maggy said.
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:07pm
- gravedodger
  
  Any theory relating to State Funding of political parties dealing with any alleged influence from that funding as opposed to private funding, exactly how?
  After four years and counting of State propaganda providing almost all the news product, I sense something amiss, what about thee.
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:59am
krazykiwi

In the UK:

Health officials say they will burn much of a £4bn pile of unusable [PPE] equipment to generate power – but a select committee investigating the episode wants to know more about the financial and environmental costs.

PPE madness, from start to finish.
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June 12, 2022 9:28am
- Loddenthinks
  
  And just think, all that money – for something they didn’t even need – went to the country that manufactured and exported it to them.
  
  “China”
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:09pm
Maggie Pie

“The biggest threat currently facing out Defense Forces in the Pacific, is climate change”

– Penne Henare (Min. of Defense)

And here’s us thinking it was Chynaaa 🙁
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June 12, 2022 9:39am
- Simon
  
  It is China as the post west, in steady decline, will threaten China over fake man made climate change.
  
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  June 12, 2022 9:53am
- Nickc2
  
  I wonder if he threw up after making that statement? I have met him and while IMO he’s not the sharpest knife in the butchery, I seriously doubt he would make such a ridiculous statement unless he was under duress.
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Think you’re spot on there Nick!
    As my partner says…like the rest of the lefty woke arse-lickers who need to rely on Cindy for their livelihoods, Penne would be no exception 😛
    
    https://twitter.com/ideNZcity/status/1535449986028085249
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:25am
    - mogg
      
      First year, John Key got rid of 5,000 non jobs in Wgtn. So many that there was a decline in house prices. Under Luxon how many will go, must be at least 10,000 by now, the Wgtn Wokers must be living in dread of the next opinion polling.
      
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      June 12, 2022 12:12pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie, according to this US army advert the key threat facing us is lack of diversity………no sarcasm….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYGFSONKbk
  
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  June 12, 2022 1:30pm
Yvette

For all those interested in “3 Waters” or / and “co-governance” I would recommend reading –

Sister Act: Just how powerful will Tipa Mahuta be?
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/sister-act-just-how-powerful-will-tipa-mahuta-be

Excerpt –
Much of the credit for the exposure [four members of Nanaia Mahuta’s family — including her sister — being appointed to taxpayer-funded positions[ should go to “Thomas Cranmer”, who has been regularly tweeting his analysis of Mahuta family appointments on his account @kehetauhauaga since May 2.
He initially concentrated on joining the dots between the four members of the family appointed to government advisory roles, and other possible conflicts of interest, but over the past weekend he expanded his analysis.

He offered an answer to the puzzling question of why Nanaia Mahuta might be apparently so stupid or so reckless as to allow the appointment of her younger sister, Tipa, to chair the Māori Advisory Group for the new water regulator, Taumata Arowai.

The fact that Tipa may be capable can’t entirely explain the decision given that Nanaia Mahuta must have known she was going to walk into an intense firestorm if her sister was appointed. Another equally capable Māori bureaucrat could have easily been found for the position to avoid that fate.
At first glance, the role doesn’t even seem to be very significant in the Three Waters set-up. So why would Nanaia Mahuta risk so much for apparently so little?

First glances can be deceiving, however. Cranmer’s research shows the Māori Advisory Group has sharp teeth and a long reach. The chair of the group has an extremely powerful role, and presumably the minister was happy, for her own reasons, for it to be kept within her close family despite inevitable accusations of nepotism.

According to Cranmer’s analysis, a direct and unbreakable chain of command flows from the Māori Advisory Group via Taumata Arowai to control the four new Water Services Entities (WSEs).
The WSEs control the day-to-day management of the operations of Three Waters. We have been repeatedly told they will be completely independent, working at arm’s length from the higher echelons of the complicated water bureaucracy.

However, it is made clear in legislation that the water regulator Taumata Arowai has to jump when the Māori Advisory Group says jump. When it — and Tipa as chairperson — speaks, Taumata Arowai has a statutory obligation to listen and act on that advice.
And the clincher is that Taumata Arowai directly regulates the Water Services Entities. In short, if Tipa Mahuta chooses, she can — as chair of the Māori Advisory Group — call the shots throughout each level of water management.

Yvette’s question – Why do you need “co-governance” at lower four entity level when you have sole Māori “kāwanatanga / rangatiratanga” – “sovereignty” – at the top end of the ~~food~~ water chain?
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June 12, 2022 9:52am
- Philview
  
  Someone referenced an article yesterday from the Croaking Cassandra site about a new Reserve Bank appointment. There was concern that this appointment in his role at NZ Post has a conflict of influence at the RBNZ because of relationship with Kiwibank. I later read the new appointment is on the board of Ngai Tahu. He may be a brilliant at his job for all I know, but does raise the question that this appointment is maybe part of the unseen big picture.
  
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  June 12, 2022 10:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    part of the unseen big picture.
    
    Yes, Croaking Cassandra didn’t need to follow along this line as there were obvious conflicts of interest with regard to the other positions the appointee held and holds.
    
    But the big picture has been on the canvas for well over 3 decades now and it’s getting close to the time when it will be revealed to all NZers.
    
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    June 12, 2022 11:21am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But could you reveal it for us all now please, Maggy?
      
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      June 12, 2022 11:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stop trolling ffs
        
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        June 12, 2022 11:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You don’t need me to reveal it…
        
        The Hon Willie Jackson has already given some of us who were attending a viewing.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/un-declaration-maori-self-determination-to-bring-us-together-willie-jackson-says/2452HD43OSXT6AUNMILBVUDJZI/
        
        It is of course the kaupapa of the Maori Party (& probably also the Greens)
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/02/the-maori-partys-vision-of-self-determination-is-not-to-be-ignored
        
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        June 12, 2022 11:47am
      - Philview
        
        I enjoy your humour on this site Mike. But their are powerful voices in various Iwi who have a goal for what they want the future of the country to be and they have the drive to make it happen. This has been hidden from view but it is taking shape.
        
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        June 12, 2022 11:59am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I thought you were talking about something special and secret, not mundane and open.
        
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        June 12, 2022 12:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You must be lurking in the shadows if it all appears open to you.
        
        “If we’re going to have a constitutional conversation it needs to be out in the open and not hidden the shadows,” said ACT leader David Seymour, “Jacinda Ardern seems intent on keeping any sunlight away from this important issue.”
        
        https://www.maxim.org.nz/article/co-governance/
        
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        June 12, 2022 1:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

Another biased shocker from ‘cartoonist’ Sharon Murdoch today.
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June 12, 2022 10:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  But you liked Tom Scott’s yesterday, right?
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:30am
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets 😀

‘Collectively, this gang of (to use a biblical-term), Reprobates, costs the taxpayer in excess of $3million a year….and for what?”

https://twitter.com/sheepish_nz/status/1535466467260452864
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June 12, 2022 10:13am
- Opie
  
  It’s time to play the music
  It’s time to light the lights….
  
  How on earth do these people have any kind of influence over my taxes and the country. I reckon they could hardly walk and breathe at the same time.
  
  A society in free fall
  
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  June 12, 2022 1:23pm
blue collar

There’s a burning anger in society , every group and demographic I meet can’t wait for the election to end the madness of labour
It will be a landslide
Labour will be lucky to get mid 20’s .
Be interesting to see what national do with a majority , but I suspect they will still need Seymour as he is more popular than the polls say .
I’m
Calling 47% Nat
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June 12, 2022 10:26am
- Philview
  
  I read an article on Stuff last night by Luke Malpass called something like “The election is National’s to lose” The article felt like it was written by an man with a gun to his head as he explained what a great job Labour are actually doing and circumstances are beyond their control. I say that as Luke said something like Nanaia Mahuta is driven in 3 Waters by a genuine care for water infrastructure. It didn’t ring true that Luke actually believed what he had written.
  
  The comments underneath seemed to be mostly pro Labour.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:40am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  blue collar – You are day dreaming. There will be Labour-Green-Maori party gummit in 2023. Not even God can stop that.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:45am
- Opie
  
  Please don’t get my hopes up…
  
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  June 12, 2022 1:19pm
BeaB

If we follow the notion of Scomo surely Albanese should be Anal.
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June 12, 2022 10:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Jacard and Jolux over here?
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:29am
- curry4me
  
  His other nickname is Theraputic Albo. As in Thai massages on a regular basis.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:39am
  - Nickc2
    
    Apparently, he only frequents Thai Massage Parlours when Happy Finishes are on special (and that’s every lunchtime) I’m told.
    
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    June 12, 2022 12:14pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rpslzmpXo

Ron DeSantis Obliterates The Media In Epic Rant!

Ron DeSantis is a veteran, and the best governor in the USA. He is not a fan of the MSM. Based Ron DeSantis. [Ron, and Candace 2028. 10:25]
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June 12, 2022 10:54am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdvBjKHLgn4
Harvard Proves the World is Nuts.

The violator of Law gets an ‘Honoury Doctorate’ of ‘LAW’ by Harvard University – USA? [4:42]
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June 12, 2022 10:55am
- Yvette
  
  The people at Harvard may have been unaware of Jacinda illegally – ordering Fletchers to halt construction on their own properly purchased property at Ihumatoa – and as if anything Fletchers built would not most likely have been torn down or burnt down the moment two uprights occurred – but now she has an Honoury Doctorate’ of Law, possibly a criminal act in itself .
  
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  June 12, 2022 1:01pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep , I absolutely agree. Thanks for sharing.
  
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  June 12, 2022 3:00pm
  - curry4me
    
    You’re welcome. Its obvious a ‘degree’ from Harvard isn’t worth much now.
    
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    June 12, 2022 7:29pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hboYYph0PuA

China’s warning to the US over Taiwan: Won’t hesitate to start a war.

The American and Chinese defense ministers have held their first face-to-face talks in Singapore. Beijing has said that it will not hesitate to start a war if Taiwan declares independence, he further added that ‘ if anyone dares to split Taiwan from China, the Chinese army won’t hesitate to start a war.’ [Before the CCP tries to seize Taiwan they should read some accounts of the raid on Dieppe. And some on Gallipoli. 3:24]
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June 12, 2022 10:55am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think Beijing has something more like D-Day or Desert Storm in mind.
  
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  June 12, 2022 12:25pm
  - RightNow
    
    Holy crap, have you spent all morning trolling?
    Loser
    
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    June 12, 2022 1:33pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Taliban issues ‘travel-warning’ to Afghanis considering holidaying in New Zealand…

https://twitter.com/Mikhail38757727/status/1535435807082676224
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June 12, 2022 11:32am
- curry4me
  
  Mmmm…. stealing that for my FB page. Thanks for posting.
  
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  June 12, 2022 11:42am
JimBobJoe

So COVID… where did it come from?

From Bats (closet source virus to the one infecting humans) via a source animal (normal method for coronaviruses to hop from bats to us is via an intermediary species that is closer to us in terms of repository and immunology systems making the virus more adapted to humans) aka zoonotic transmission?

Or did it come from a Lab where the ancestor Bat virus was being manipulated for ‘research’ purposes, escaping via poor containment measures leading to an unwanted transmission to humans in Wuhan?

Well you will be happy to know that the WHO are trying to find out… have been for a couple of years… and they are not seeing anything conclusive but favour zoonotic because…… reasons.

Though no one has found the intermediary species and the ancestor viruses closet to COIV19 are markedly different to COVID19…..

You would think the CCP would have moved heaven and earth to find the zoonotic source to clear their good name – and 2 and a half years after the outbreak in Nov 2019 they have got nothing, nada, zilch, zero. Found no intermediary – not a one…..

The WHO, the great friend of the CCP, …… still favours zoonotic transmission. I.Wonder.Why? I think follow the money might tell us why?

Dr John Campbell on the latest WHO report on COVID19 origins….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xy9BAbH2BA
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June 12, 2022 11:59am
- mawm
  
  And where did the Omicron variant come from?
  
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  June 12, 2022 4:32pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Mutation and selection. The difference between any SARS COV2 variant is small compared with the difference to any known bat coronavirus. Lab origin via manipulation is the most likely source of the original SARS COV2
    
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    June 12, 2022 4:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s a mystery…
    
    3 theories discussed here:
    The mysterious origins of the Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8757324/
    
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    June 12, 2022 5:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Taxpayer’s Union.
https://www.facebook.com/TaxpayersUnion/posts/4849358395168142
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June 12, 2022 12:02pm
oldfella

Some good stuff on this week’s collection of US political humour.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/the-week-in-pictures-carownervirus-edition.php
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June 12, 2022 12:10pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Absolutely love these. Please keep them coming.
  
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  June 12, 2022 6:36pm
  - curry4me
    
    What he said. I re-post them elsewhere.
    
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    June 12, 2022 7:50pm
Nickc2

Are we Stupid or are we just being treated like we’re stupid (Neil Oliver).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmziW3E3k38
Worth consideration?
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June 12, 2022 1:03pm
- mawm
  
  He’s great. If you get the opportunity listen to Bret Weinstein on the “Dark Horse” podcast interview him.
  
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  June 12, 2022 4:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We have 3 Maori MPs based in Gisborne, but doesn’t look like they are of any use when folks are needing timely action on the return of Maori Land released from Public works.

The National government under prime ministers Sir John Key and Sir Bill English helped keep Airways on point, but after Labour swept into power in 2017, he found ministers of no help.

“I absolutely got nowhere,” he says. “It was a joke.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128896574/fight-to-win-return-of-mori-land-too-hard-says-mat-taare
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June 12, 2022 1:24pm
- Nickc2
  
  Perhaps the Mahuta clan is laying claim to the land.
  
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  June 12, 2022 1:28pm
Maggie Pie

When I saw Justin Bieber being interviewed on E this morning, i thort to myself…. it looks just like Bell’s Palsy.

Whereas a lot of others are saying Pfizer has put a smile on his face 🙁

https://twitter.com/REMASCULATE/status/1535692244581089280
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June 12, 2022 1:30pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maybe that will be Pfizers next big advertising slogan?
  
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  June 12, 2022 1:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The crims win again. Mentally ill or not they should be shot. Deputise Veterans who want to volunteer, arm them and get them to patrol ‘outside’ the schools. Take away the silly ‘gun free zone’ signs. See the links in previous comments about the Florida Sheriff.
Rudd Elementary School to close.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/robb-elementary-school-in-uvalde-texas-announces-it-will-not-reopen/?
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June 12, 2022 1:33pm
- MCōs
  
  You can’t even get the name of the school right.
  Apart from that your ideas are plain stupid and dangerous if you give it a bit of thought.
  Why should kids be safer with a whole lot of armed ex military wandering round the place?
  I’d have thought one would analyze who is the carrying out these killings and restricting their access to arms, first up.
  In the case of Robb Elementary he’d just turned 18, for God’s sake and was able to buy what he wanted. Encouraged to buy what he wanted like he was buying a bottle of coke.
  
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  June 12, 2022 3:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rudd = typo
    
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    June 13, 2022 8:57am
Paulus

Why does Transport Minister Michael Wood have to go to an Electric Car Conference in Oslo ?
Am sure he has one here paid for by the Taxpayer.
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June 12, 2022 1:41pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It will be an orgasmic experience for the odious prick.
  
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  June 12, 2022 5:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is happening in NZ. Heading downhill same as US.
Not a crop circle, it is the truth.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=409336094451809
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June 12, 2022 1:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Add Home invasions to the daily list:

Drive-by shootings
Ram Raids
Coward punches
Stabbings

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300611010/home-invasion-surge-i-woke-up-to-a-man-pulling-my-blankets-off-me
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June 12, 2022 1:51pm
- alloytoo
  
  I wake up in the middle of the night to a looming figure of a young man searching the drawer next to my bed.
  
  I panic.
  
  Then I remember the lollies are under my pillow.
  
  “Tough luck son”.
  
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  June 12, 2022 4:53pm
The Boss

If National leads Labour by only 10% in Tauranga of all places, I absolutely despair. Maybe SCS has been right all the time: we should not expect a change in government before 2035.
I would have been much happier with say 57% vs 21%.
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June 12, 2022 2:50pm
- MCōs
  
  The Nat candidate, whose name escapes me, looks truly awful.
  According to Newshub he was 35% ahead a week ago. Polling day can’t come quick enough for him.
  BTW
  What happens if a party flips a seat with a non-list mp? That would mean an extra seat in parliament.
  Could change the government!!
  
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  June 12, 2022 7:18pm
The Boss

ACT not polling so flash either.
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June 12, 2022 2:51pm
Maggie Pie

Just been watching SkyNews.
I see the ass-licking has begun already.
Obviously Australia’s going to end up in deep sh*t.

If that Albo will cower to Chynaa…..he’ll cower to everyone.

Just saying.
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June 12, 2022 5:13pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300611273/brumbies-coach-dan-mckellar-laments-missed-calls-game-that-lacks-commonsense
But if the Brumbies had won then he would have never said any of this.
Be a good winner and be a gracious loser.
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June 12, 2022 5:31pm
Colville

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128938839/luxons-groundhog-day-announcement-on-gangs#comments

Larry Tam article.

I wonder if Stuffed would print something written by David Garret in rebuttal? **

Its worth visiting the article just to uptick the comments that are massively anti gangs.

** Yeah DG I know you need the extra work 🙂
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June 12, 2022 5:41pm
gump

I see that 31 members of the National Front have just been arrested in Idaho. They were wearing masks, carrying shields, and travelling in a U-haul truck so they could start a riot at a public Pride event in Coeur D’Alene.

Fortunately the Police were able to intercept their vehicle and stop this right-wing terrorist attack before the violence started.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/members-white-nationalist-group-charged-with-planning-riot-idaho-pride-event-2022-06-12/
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June 12, 2022 6:01pm
- alloytoo
  
  How many of them are FBI agents?
  
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  June 12, 2022 6:54pm
Maggie Pie

Tell you what I am looking forward to…..

‘PATRICK GOWER: ON ANAL SEX’

😛 😛 P
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June 12, 2022 6:26pm
- wilderbeast
  
  😂
  
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  June 12, 2022 8:27pm
- wilderbeast
  
  You made my day!! Hilarious. It has to be on the cards doesn’t it? Dear old paddy…
  
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  June 12, 2022 8:28pm
Nickc2

Is this Cindy’s and the Green’s next dictate? You don’t own your own car, you must share it with your neighbors.
https://www.google.com/search?q=uber+acquires+next+door+car+platform&oq=uber+acquires+next+door+car+platform&aqs=chrome..69i57.68377j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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