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CJames

Though it hasn’t made the news here, Australia is on the brink of a major power crisis.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/gas-and-power-outages-to-sweep-australia-as-cold-snap-deepens-energy-crisis/news-story/3322404fe6f1f2de3133a0a206ecfdeb
The weather there has been very cold and wet (https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/51288/20220609/record-breaking-freeze-hits-australia-as-experts-recorded-the-coldest-start-of-winter-for-over-a-century.htm) so the power demand is high. Very high into the dusk. Wind isn’t blowing, no solar or batteries, so even half of SA generation is gas. Last night, they had to burn diesel to get 120MW. The previous bans on coal seam gas exploration have hit home so there is not much gas available. Victoria banned its own gas but now wants to build a LNG import terminal! That means the grid have fallen back on their old coal fired stations. And these have started breaking down. Spot prices are going really high. And to get more renewables built, the power price is going to have to rise even higher.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/benchmark-power-prices-electricity-bills-to-soar-australia/101098128
Of course, everyone is blaming unreliable coal. As always, things are not what they superficially seem. The way their grid works, the renewables are priority dispatch, then it’s gas, with coal having to make up the difference – last on first off. The politicians keep on promising to make their grid totally renewable. They want all the coal stations shut down and quickly. So the owners of those stations haven’t been putting money into maintenance, particularly the long term stuff, as there is no payback.
Now, when they really need reliable power, there is nothing there. The new government is going to cop the not undeserved flack if and when the power cuts start. The power prices are already hurting but there is a lot more pain on the way. A clean green image doesn’t go very far when the lights are off and people are shivering or sweating in the dark.
Where it is relevant for NZ is that though the balance of plant is significantly more renewables here (mainly hydro and geothermal), we rely on the gas and coal to a lot greater extent than people realise. This is especially so when the wind doesn’t blow. Go to this site here https://app.em6.co.nz/ and click through the generation types for last six months to see how unreliable wind is. Be aware that the daily totals don’t give a true picture of the minute to minute variability. Hydro is often tapped out over the peaks so they can’t produce more. Geothermal goes flat out all the time. So thermals have to ramp up and down to match the shortfall between generation and demand. Our thermal plant is old and not much gas is available, especially when gas fields have long outages for extra maintenance. We will probably scrape through this winter OK, at least as long as Huntly or one of the CCGTs don’t break down. But will we get through to next November without major problems, if not cuts? I wouldn’t bet on it.
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June 11, 2022 8:04am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Apparently the price of lettuce in Aus has to be seen to be believed too
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    So I heard – I’ll check it out today (on a short break somewhere warm)
    
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    June 11, 2022 10:00am
  - igm
    
    Iceberg Lettuces selling for $12 in NSW.
    
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    June 11, 2022 11:24am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      $6 in Surfers but you don’t get a lot of lettuce for that
      
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      June 11, 2022 11:32pm
- Hebe123
  
  I wouldn’t bet on it either. On balance I think it will be close though but the market will manage it (for which the government, who hates markets and would shut it down, will take the credit).
  
  Unlike Aussie we have had plenty of experience with dry year management – and we haven’t gone hard out subsidising intermittent renewables as they have.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:10am
  - CJames
    
    We do subsidise wind, but not as much as Oz and UK do. They get exemptions from major grid rules like 2 hour dispatch and providing grid support which every other generator has to meet. Enforce those and there would be no wind built.
    
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    June 11, 2022 8:43am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      It would be truly absurd to enforce those requirements against wind generators. By definition wind generation is variable, so these requirements make no sense for wind power.
      Obviously wind power is not base load, in the UK that has to come from gas or nuclear. in NZ basically from hydro storage.
      Are you seriously suggesting that wind power generators have to also build a base station to match each wind power station that is built?
      
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      June 11, 2022 9:52am
      - CJames
        
        Wayne your understanding of the grid is limited and it doesn’t do what you think it does. Because other generation types have to cover for wind (and solar) unreliability, they are subsidised by the others.
        The wind stations could easily build the grid batteries there so they could meet two hour dispatch.
        A lot of NZ hydro isn’t baseload – only the bottom stations on rivers – Karapiro , Roxburgh and Waitaki or those run of the river (little or no storage) like Rangipo or Waipapa. Most hydros are two shifted. The Waikato stations generally go from about 150MW at 4am to 850MW at 6pm.
        
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        June 11, 2022 10:05am
      - gravedodger
        
        At last a view I can agree with from Mr Mapp in that last sentence.
        One factor that needs addressing in Power generation is a guarantee of “SUPPLY”.
        Cars and trucks coming to rest with empty fuel tanks is one thing, Electrical devices with no lectricity on a whole different planet.
        How long have you been back Wayne?
        
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        June 11, 2022 1:40pm
      - Hebe123
        
        I agree. At the times the rules were written consideration was given to whether the wind gens should have to meet those conditions but as it was completely unreasonable – and the cost imposed on others was next to nothing at under 20% wind gen penetration- a decision was made to mandate the approach they must take to submitting offers. So no – they don’t get off scot free.
        
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        June 12, 2022 5:27pm
- Niz
  
  The Aussies are reaping what they sowed. The voters will (hopefully) learn the hard way how destructive this net zero nonsense is.
  Repeat after me…
  CO2 is not pollution.
  Warmer is better.
  There is no climate crisis.
  Politicians are not our friends.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  CJ, two things that are at present slowing our power consumption are snail paced new house building and mild weather. When winter finally arrives those Indonesian coal shipments will go at full pace but this is merely papering over the cracks. This country has gone down the Green hole with a vengeance and with no new power sources we will indeed become a hermit queendom.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:28am
  - gravedodger
    
    Err not so Inandout, last I remember from the odium repeaters was a suggestion Indonesia was to limit exports of their disgustingly “dirty” coal to secure their domestic supply chain?
    
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    June 11, 2022 1:43pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Cold winters looming in Europe too.
  
  Still, should be good for sheep farmers. It’s about time that wool made a come back.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:31am
- Master Mariner
  
  In regards to Gas for domestic use only WA prioritises for use as opposed to export, Herein lies a lot of issues.
  As you suggested electricity prices are down to renewables and the “Great Transition” away from fossil fuels.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:35am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    WA has no shortage of gas
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:45am
  - gravedodger
    
    Was the news about Gas not being included as a Fossil Fuel Based on Mātauranga Maori, musta missed the message?
    
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    June 11, 2022 1:46pm
- pdm
  
  CJ – Sky News have been all over this most of this week – led by Andrew Bolt and Paul Murray in particular.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:06am
  - CJames
    
    How big an audience does Sky News have? They are a nichebroadcaster
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:31am
    - gravedodger
      
      Nichebroadcaster???
      As should be NZ State TV and its equally disreputable neighbour on Three , CJ
      Imagine if you will All Items were to be fact checked by an independent authority before broadcast.
      I know I know that is done now LoL
      
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      June 11, 2022 1:50pm
- tf78
  
  We need to use our own coal instead of importing it, likewise gas and oil. These saboteurs masquerading as our government must go.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:11am
  - CJames
    
    We make a lot more money selling our own coal for steelmaking. Look at price schedules for top Grade metallurgical coal vrs steaming coal. It would be a waste to use it in power stations. With a bulk product like coal, the distance from mine to station is critical. Coal can also spontaneously combust in a heap, so stockpiles can’t be big.
    The thickness of the seam is a big factor. In overseas mines of thermal coal, the seams are hundreds of metres thick, so even deep opencasting is viable. They are not that here.
    Brown coal/ lignite like we have in large deposits in Southland can be used but that brings a lot more problems – described by one colleague as turning dirt to ash with a little bit of heat on the way.
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:30am
    - rouppe
      
      Want Huntly built where it was precisely because there was a coal supply there?
      
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      June 11, 2022 10:03am
      - CJames
        
        Huntly was built to use Huntly West coal. It was going to be longwalled out. When the mine was built, they found big problems. What they thought was a continuous seam had a lot of faults and displacements. So that made mining a lot more difficult. Then Coalcorp decided longwalling was too expensive so they sold that gear at a big loss to Oz (where its still being used) and went to pillar and post. Not long after that, the mine caught fire so now is all boxed up. Coal could only be extracted by opencast. The seam is deep down, too deep to be viably mined that way.
        When the mine was still operating, I got a visit down there it was a very long walk down the an adit. I remember it well. Only the second time I’d been in a working underground mine – the other visit was Mt Somers mine as a primary school pupil. That I remember well as they had pit ponies and they let off a shot while the class was down there. Worksafe wasn’t around in those days.
        
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        June 11, 2022 10:39am
      - backster
        
        In the 60s there was also an opencast mine on the Eastern side of Huntly. I recall a tale going round about the mine on the West side. A miner broke a leg at Rugby League on Sunday so his mates took him down the mine and placed a lump of coal on it so the Underviewer would find him next morning.
        
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        June 11, 2022 3:28pm
      - CJames
        
        There is an opencast mine south of Huntly West. Rotowaro. Still mined and they still get coal out of it. Goes to Glenbrook from memory. But to feed Huntly, the mine would need to be a lot bigger.
        IIRC, there was never a bog opencast on Eastern Side. There were some small pits, like those around Huntly East portal. That mine went right under the town and power station. It was a political decision to build the station there, when engineers advised not to. Gave an income to the Maori Queen so you know what party. Reason 387 why politicians should never be allowed near the electricity industry. They should just set the rules and butt out.
        
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        June 11, 2022 4:21pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    tf78, how much will the price of imported coal rise when the inevitable price rises due to fuel costs kick in? We have our own coal. The Green Party need to go back to what they’re good at. Growing weed and eating mung beans.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:17pm
    - tf78
      
      Well I’m not sure where we will get it from as Indonesia no longer want to export, they need it for themselves (sensible people). My son said he sees 20 coal trucks coming from the wharf every day on their way to Meremere. (He works in Stanley St).
      
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      June 11, 2022 7:23pm
- Littletramp
  
  The unfortunate truth is that most politicians of the “left” think that electricity is generated from the socket in the wall.
  They are throwing the baby out with the bath water making the move to renewables before it is sustainable, economic and of adequate scale.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All coming to a place near you. It will happen here, but by the time it does the person responsible will be gone.
  Another fine mess created by the one and only Jaspinda Ardern.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:16am
  - CJames
    
    The current government is really culpable of short term issues, but all political parties are to blame for the bigger picture. They have no-one in their ranks who actually understands the issues, and their advisers are invariably advocates who give very biased self-interested info.
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That’ll be the global warming, no doubt!
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:01am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Three points here.
  
  First, take a look at this graph of indexed electricity prices in Aussie from 1955 to 2017. The rise in price has been steep and unrelenting since the start of the age of unreliable power in the mid-2000’s.
  
  Second, note that the Liberal-National’s have been in government during much of this time, including the last nine years just ended. So when Labor and the Left hold them responsible for much of this nonsense they will be correct.
  
  Third, hidden by such truth is the fact that Labor and the Greens wanted to go harder and faster on all this, which may have been a better idea since the crash would have come harder and faster, with appropriate lessons learned.
  
  Lessons for National here in NZ on “renewables” and climate change: Labour and the Left want you in on this so that when the hungry, cold crowds with the pitchforks and burning torches turn up they can point fingers at you and say:
  
  “But they did it too”
  
  And they’ll be right.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The woke, green, bullshit agenda will go down and when it does it will make the Titanic look like a success story. These people are beyond delusional, they are psychotic and very dangerous.
  To qualify, I’m not a “rabid” industrialist. I live fully of grid, but I understand the limitations. Most of these clowns are in the green movement for virtue signaling or career opportunities. Morons.
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:12pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I live fully of grid, but I understand the limitations.
    
    Heh! You may enjoy this post then, Sustainable Living?, which levers off a 20 minute video of an English guy who lives on 18 acres and is most definitely off the grid. Except for one thing:
    
    In short, it’s an industrial civilisation that’s enabling him to live like this. To what extent such a civilisation can be reduced or downgraded while still being able to support hundreds of millions or billions of people to live such a poetic and rustic lifestyle is an unanswered, and perhaps unanswerable, question. Certainly in the Developing world, billions of people are moving in the opposite direction from this guy – with all that implies about their demands for energy and technology.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:21pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Tom Hunter – my reason for doing so want fire to some romantic “save the planet” notion. Location meant it was the only viable option. I am very grateful to all those who developed the technology that permitted me to make this choice!
      It can be hard work, it certainly isn’t the utopia the plastic, wannabe greenies seem to think it is. The bonus is, it prevents those fuckwits from lasting very long in the community. About 2 winters on average when the batteries are flat and the generator craps out in the middle of a howling sou’easter and pissing rain.
      
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      June 11, 2022 2:20pm
- JJ56
  
  ‘we rely on the gas and coal to a lot greater extent than people realise’
  
  Look at the graph and include co-gen and you’re about 15% for this 3 month period, which is pretty consistent with the >80% renewable figure that gets bandied around.
  
  One would add that if you have plant you’ll opportunistically run it. The suggestion is that as the ETS bites that will decline and we’ll get down to 4-5% on BAU.
  
  It isn’t a problem if you are worried about emissions and ensuring systems stability with significant growth in electricity demand, there are much bigger fish to fry.
  
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  June 11, 2022 7:37pm
Mike

A special holiday today for Gloriavale. It’s World Day Against Child Labour.
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June 11, 2022 8:04am
- tf78
  
  It should read World Day Against Labour.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That was banned in 2017.
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:27am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mcd25KRg44

September 27, 1962 – President John F. Kennedy Speaks at White House Conference on Narcotic & Drugs.

[I wonder if he visited Dr Feelgood before he went there? Anyhow this is what a competent Democrat President looks like. 9:50]
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June 11, 2022 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Key word “Competent” Something that the left in NZ and some of the World can’t understand.
  JFK, the last TRUE Democrat.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:31am
  - rouppe
    
    Don’t forget JFK was responsible for escalating the Vietnam war
    
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    June 11, 2022 10:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I still can’t make up my mind if the War was right or wrong. I was young (High School 1966) and did not take much interest. My goal was getting a job, getting a car, and making money.
      
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      June 11, 2022 11:21am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes his tax cut which LBJ pushed through ignited the US economy.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:22pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FshP3LaxeWc/

DeSantis Crushes MSM.

Every non-woke politician should say this to the MSM. [1:14]
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June 11, 2022 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Are you sure that is not Donald Trump Junior?
  The Don has taught him well! You are Fake News!!
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:35am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That was pretty awesome. I like Ron.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is onto it and controls the media well.
    He looks a bit like my Father when Dad was in his forties.
    
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    June 11, 2022 11:24am
  - curry4me
    
    So do I. FL would be a good place to live, despite the gators and humidity. Ron for President in 2028. And Candace for VP.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You are onto it. candace Owens. Read her book “Blackout” and you will see that she means business.
      I have the book, about half way through it.
      NZ Citizens also need to ‘leave’ the Labour Plantation. They promise everything and you get FUCK ALL!
      
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      June 11, 2022 3:57pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Brilliant. “when they smear you, you know you’re over the target”.
  That absolutely applies to the “rivers of filth” slander and the other multitude attacks and vicious lies against people like the Voices for Freedom ladies and others who called out the morons pushing the covid narrative in the last few years.
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:25pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Not as popular with the mainstream but a key figure in opposing the Authoritarians was
    Brian Tamaki – Destiny Church and their Freedoms and Rights Coalition. JAILED for organising and attending protests.
    
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    June 11, 2022 4:02pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVo5Z1J_Oa4

Michael Laws and MP Ingrid Leary review the week | 10 June.

Michael Laws chats with Ingrid Leary and review what’s happened during the week. [16:20]
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June 11, 2022 8:09am
- pdm
  
  curry – that would be bloody painful to watch.
  
  Has O’Leary moved back to Auckland yet?
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:10am
  - curry4me
    
    I don’t know where O’Leary lives.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Newshub informs me that there were more shooting incidents in Auckland last night

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/06/auckland-gang-wars-more-shooting-incidents-overnight-across-four-suburbs.html

But nothing much detailed and now NZ Herald, RNZ and “Stuff” can’t even be bothered reporting on these
regular occurrences.
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June 11, 2022 8:11am
- Niz
  
  I suppose that Stuff are more focussed on the important issues.
  Do yourself a favour and keep away from their site. You’ll feel better for it.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:14am
  - blue collar
    
    More negative govt articles in stuff today , looks like the worm is turning , the polls are scaring the msm and they are starting to realise if they want to survive , they better damn well start supporting the other side .
    The only good thing I like about stuff is they update more regularly than the herald , and cover the provinces better
    Still a pack of left freaks killing our society with woke brainwashing , virtue signalling , racist crap though
    
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    June 11, 2022 8:57am
    - oldfella
      
      blue collar: stuffed even carries a Tom Scott cartoon mocking Glorious Leader. What is ayateerower coming to? //
      
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      June 11, 2022 10:22am
      - blue collar
        
        Crikey old fella !!
        Panic stations all round
        The ultimate litmus test will be if Murdoch does one , and tremain gets a look in.
        I’m going to enjoy watching the chickens come home to roost in the next 15 months , pass the popcorn
        
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        June 11, 2022 12:14pm
  - JJ56
    
    I see they’ve gone the colour purple – so last century.
    
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    June 11, 2022 7:41pm
- CJames
  
  If it is not in the newspapers, the Minister can plausibly deny it happened.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:17am
  - igm
    
    Amazing how favourable editorial policy can be purchased with taxpayers’ dollars.
    
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    June 11, 2022 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Minister really is that deceitful – and ignorant – and thick
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:50am
- Yvette
  
  More shooting incidents overnight in four Auckland suburbs as gangland feud shows no signs of ending
  What would Albanese tell Ardern? Surely – “See all those 501s shooting up Auckland? – and you want us to keep them here?
  America thinks you are the gun law whiz, so you fix it”
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She did fix it – for the honest people. As usual the crims do net comply with ANY regulation or law.
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:52am
    - Ronin
      
      There wasn’t a problem with the honest people. In fact, they were part of the solution until they were made out as p̶a̶r̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ the problem.
      
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      June 11, 2022 10:51am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Thank Buddha Jacinda’s finally put her foot down and told Aus where they can stick those 501s…
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:16am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Suze, she must be talking about Gaylord’s old pair of Levis. She’s doing nothing about the criminals.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:28pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      I think Clarke joshed about Albanese’s taste in music – or something – I saw the cutesy news headline flash about the article, but I couldn’t be arsed reading it.
      
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      June 11, 2022 12:45pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    She is the worlds biggest Gaslighter – everything she says is the opposite of what she achieves and she accuses others of the crimes that she is guiltiest of.
    
    We keep giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are incompetent, when in fact they are just common garden vandals given the keys to the countries glasshouse and they are whooping it up trying to smash as many panels as they can.
    
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    June 11, 2022 4:08pm
- oldfella
  
  Maggy, it’s now 11.30am and still nothing. I guess gang shootings are so ‘yesterday’s news’. Meh.
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:32am
- Surely Knott
  
  There are bigger issues happening. For example Jack tame got two flat tires on his bike. https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/saturday-morning-with-jack-tame/opinion/jack-tame-that-familiar-sinking-feeling/?fbclid=IwAR3iF13el19L78PtAJsDILEPmBMIjbjyvjvTahy6CdeSJoLMUNh1edt0bfE
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:43am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Maybe he said something the tyre deflation squad didn’t like?
    
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    June 11, 2022 4:00pm
- gravedodger
  
  Maybe the editors briefing from the ninth floor last Monday made that a “recommendation” Maggyy, just a thought?
  
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  June 11, 2022 1:57pm
- backster
  
  They have to be careful to respect Te Teriti with their reporting or they won.t collect the sibsidy.
  
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  June 11, 2022 3:36pm
Nickc2

Cindy as reviewed on the World Stage. Have a vomit bucket within arms reach.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=402867528430363
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June 11, 2022 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is a real pearler. Good bit at 13.55 in. Someone deleting her social media comments? Did not know Jaspinda learnt from Killary…..
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:00am
surfing

How many ram raids this weekend?

Shootings?

Random acts of violence?
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June 11, 2022 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  4 is my bet. Anyone else?
  Prize is bragging rights.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:02am
  - blue collar
    
    I’m going 9 Steveo !
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:16pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Depends when the weekend starts – loads overnight in Auckland already.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Had a bad typo. Delete not working.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Reddell alerts us to a vey dodgy appointment to the Reserve Bank Board.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/06/10/a-highly-inappropriate-appointment/

(and read to the end)
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June 11, 2022 8:23am
- Philview
  
  With this Government there is always a hidden agenda. Last night I read Graham Adam’s article on 3 Waters and how Nanaia Mahuta has put in place a control structure that goes well beyond 50% co governance. It is effectively total control when all the component parts are considered.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The whole 3 waters thing has to be stopped. Follow the Taxpayer’s Union with their road trip.
    
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    June 11, 2022 10:12am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep Maggy, it is indeed a disgraceful appointment. But to be fair, they are struggling to get anyone decent. I know of two Directors who are vastly experienced and held in very high regard, that have refused after being asked. Given they are ones that I know about, there are sure to be others. So they have been heading down the ladder to get someone willing to do the job. And the people that agree to do it, well, they ‘ain’t getting the big boy directorships.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:59am
Philview

I always look at the opinion articles around the country first thing. The ODT have an editorial on Trevor Mallard. The editor seems to think that Trevor Mallard is the typical Kiwi bloke next door that voters like. It did provide criticism as well but I just want to say that none of my neighbours remind me of Trevor Mallard.
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June 11, 2022 8:25am
- Hebe123
  
  It would be reason to sell up almost.
  One of my neighbours is actually, come to think of it, a total bully. But with a shiny veneer. Thankfully the rest make up for it.
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:30am
  - igm
    
    He would create a valuation drop for all properties in the immediate vicinity.
    
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    June 11, 2022 6:38pm
- graham
  
  Trevor Mallard, the “typical Kiwi bloke next door that voters like”? Bloody hell, whoever wrote that really has the blinkers on.
  
  I can think of one “bloke” at work who reminded me of Trevor Mallard. Thankfully he left a couple of years back, but I went out of my way to avoid him. He was a nasty bullying creep, and yes he liked to think of himself as the typical Kiwi bloke too.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:54am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Perhaps more like living next door to a typical Kainga Ora bloke!!!
    
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    June 11, 2022 4:35pm
Lee C

Originally from November 2021 so you can adjust these figures according to you views re inflation, interest rates, and of course ongoing new sales.
https://reliefweb.int/report/world/pfizer-biontech-and-moderna-making-1000-profit-every-second-while-world-s-poorest

Ever get the feeling you’ve been had?
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June 11, 2022 8:25am
- R
  
  Pfizer and other vaccine manufacturers are laughing all the way to bank. Laughing because they sold a dud vaccine and, despite the vaccine causing serious harm to thousands of NZers, ACC picked up the tab. Isn’t it odd that Pfizer touted that their vaccine was safe, yet wasn’t prepared to put their money where their mouth was?
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:00am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    R they didn’t even have to fork out to advertise them the governments do that for them and in some extreme cases mandated their use and coerced their citizens into compliance. Name me another product that’s enjoying such fortune. Biggest scam in history.
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought all suing actions were banned? The manufacturer, the Govt, and ACC.
    All care but no responsibility thing?
    
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    June 11, 2022 10:17am
  - gravedodger
    
    They sold an experimental RnA based medical intervention cleverly termed a “Vaccine”.
    The first I recall of such medicals that needed multiple doses and yet still did not prevent infection and deaths.
    It does possibly have some ameliorating effects in some of the elderly demographic in lessening the very worst effects on Bronchial degradation leading to Pneumonia.
    That is it.
    
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    June 11, 2022 2:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Individual results from the experimental medication are not relevant – the Worldwide results are the data they wanted.
      And, as you said, very few vaccines require a second vaccination and boosters.
      Friend of a friend was in a Resthome, wheelchair coz he could not walk. Prostate Cancer level 4 (the top) He died after contracting Covid. Cause of death = Covid, I kid you not. He was going to die within weeks from the cancer that riddled his body.
      
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      June 11, 2022 4:09pm
- R
  
  ACC paid out $1.34 million dollars up to 2 May 2022 to those harmed by the Pfizer vaccine. Some 39 claimants each received more than $10,000. One can only assume that Pfizer knew its vaccine wasn’t safe and therefore didn’t want to be liable for any financial remedy.
  
  https://www.acc.co.nz/assets/oia-responses/COVID-19-vaccination-claims-refresh-may-2022-IPA-6783.pdf
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:16am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    R – thanks for sharing this significant information.
    
    Interested to see that 46 claims accepted for 5-17 year olds.
    So the “safe and effective” vaccine has harmed children to a level that ACC have accepted a claim. One can only think these children have suffered a some pretty major adverse health effect. The evidence that Covid had little impact on young people was in public view prior to vacinnations being available. The Oxford University risk calculator was an excellent resource to quantify outcomes from Covid – it wouldn’t even calculate a risk below the age of 19!
    
    Of course the evidence here will have no impact on the parents who got psycho traumatised about their children being killed. Ruled by their fear, it is unlikely they can be convinced by the data now.
    
    Meanwhile children in New Zealand are still discriminated against for the stance that we have the right to choose the medical treatments we undergo and that our personal medical status is generally nobody else’s business. Summer for these children was spent excluded from sports, council facilities – pools, libraries etc, movie theatres, dining out. Even now they are unable to pursue interests in acting for film and television – because almost universally this industry has applied self-imposed vaccine mandates.
    
    The people I really feel for are all those who still cannot be employed in the vocation they have trained in. Or those that have chosen to sacrifice their personal safety to be able to maintain their job.
    
    Why do we allow this discrimination to continue when it is now crystal clear that vaccination makes not a jot of difference to catching or passing on Covid?
    
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    June 11, 2022 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cheers. Looks like the Labour Govt told ACC to change their mind. Early in the game I did read that no ACC claims would be made.
    
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    June 11, 2022 11:29am
- tf78
  
  Everyday!
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:49am
NeverMindTheBollocks

99% of monkey pox cases are gay men. It’s all sexual behaviour driven. One hopes they will not be applying for public funding.

Frankly, as ye sow, so shall ye reap.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/majority-of-uks-monkeypox-cases-are-in-london-says-health-agency
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June 11, 2022 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Monkeypox vaccine.
  https://www.facebook.com/heatherdave.walton/posts/10226955188882368
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:19am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Yes, gay intercourse seems to be the primary agency of spreading monkeypox, yet the global “pride” month has not been cancelled due to fears of “homophobia.”
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/monkeypox-likely-spread-sex-two-raves-europe-expert-says-rcna30055
  
  “… authorities are investigating possible links between a recent Gay Pride event in the Canary Islands, which drew some 80,000 people, and cases at a Madrid sauna.”
  
  Sounds like a wholesome gathering.
  
  If, from the end of this month, and given they have allowed a month of paradigm spreading events to occur for political reasons, we see increasing calls and dire reports of the “danger” posed by monkeypox and any consequent measures they seek to force on us, we can take it to the bank that this one will be yet another psyop.
  
  Dr Robert Malone gives his opinion on Monkeypox:
  
  https://archive.ph/qGnOt
  
  “In my opinion, based on currently available information, Monkeypox is a virus and disease which is endemic in Africa, emerges sporadically after transmission into humans from animal hosts, and is typically spread by close human contact. It is readily controlled by classical public health measures. It does not have a high mortality rate. Unless there has been some genetic alteration, either through evolution or intentional genetic manipulation, it is not a significant biothreat, and has never been considered a high threat pathogen in the past.
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:01pm
Tricati

The PM makes all sorts of noise before heading to Australia about dealing with the 501 issue, and that she will sort out the China in the Pacific dilemma.
She got told to piss off over the 501’s and released word soup over China.
So in summary, for all her pre visit noise she’s achieved absolutely nothing, just like her visit to the USA, and returned to further gunfire in Auckland – Things are not looking great right now for her.
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June 11, 2022 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just let her continue. Do not stop her from digging that hole.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:21am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  On the other hand more deaths from bullets has potential to boost deaths with Covid – thus vindicating the great saviour.
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:27am
- Paulus
  
  But look at the International PR Photoshoots when she was in Sydney.
  Needed for her CV.
  
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  June 11, 2022 1:59pm
Lee C

Friend (covid-believer) called me to tell me he’d been “re-infected with covid a second time and it’s worse than the first time”.

Didn’t have the heart to suggest he apply to ACC about that last work-related Booster he’d taken.

ACC would turn him down anyway, becasue it was ‘his choice’ to have it.
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June 11, 2022 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought ACC claims for Covid 19 or reactions to the vaccines were not happening?
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:23am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Current accepted ACC claims almost equals deaths with Covid.
    
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    June 11, 2022 11:29am
blue collar

BIG THANKS TO NZ FIRST AND SHANE JONES
Just a heads up if you’re unaware …. I’ve currently been involved in major 3 water projects in small town Nz .
The money came from Shane jones provincial growth fund. It’s govt money .
Councils that dont hv the ratepayer base to upgrade infrastructure hv been allocated millions with a set time frame to spend on their infrastructure. Water pipelines , sewer systems etc . Obviously with an application process .
This is the way to do it .
Get rid of 3 waters .
Help out where needed and let the councils maintain the systems . Most councils do a great job .most councils don’t need govt help .

There should be a system whereby if a council squanders its rates on nice to haves instead of the need to haves ( think Wellington /Auckland ) then tough titty , you miss out , the facts are published and the councillors that voted for crap sculptures , buildings , cycle lanes etc etc get thrown out by a more engaged and informed public .
Put articles out stating govt refuses to fund Wellington upgrades as the local councillors voted to spend the money on theses items . List who voted for what . Explain those funds could hv prevented the monthly geysers downtown and sewer discharges to the ocean.
If a council has been prudent but simply doesn’t hv the rate base to install required upgrades then help out .
The govt wins by being seen as proactive , and ensuring a healthy tax base ( business and workers ) that can grow in marginal communities .
If the capacity for water / stormwater ,sewer and power is increased , then why wouldn’t business invest ? It’s Cheaper land away from cities , subdivisions can be built to support workers , all linking up to required services
This is how small towns become big towns which then become cities . You need the roads , sewer , stormwater , water and electricity first .

For perspective , a few million can go a long way , a few tens of million goes miles .
How many millions are squandered by the govt with fuck all to show for it ?

Get a grip govt pen pushers
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June 11, 2022 8:30am
- blue collar
  
  To be fair , I think it was a 3 billion dollar fund , Christ knows what happened to the rest of the money and if it was effective …. These few million I’m talking about was certainly bang for buck , not saying Shane and Nz first are saints , but at least they tried , and had some limited effect
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:00am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    They are both an embarrassment on the world stage. A PMs other half is there for support and keeps quiet,
    
    Think HC and Shipley’s husbands and the wives of English, Key etc etc
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Councils who squander Ratepayer’s money must be held to account, not bailed out using taxpayer money.
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:28am
  - pdm
    
    bc – Shane got a new roundabout near his home didn’t he?
    
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    June 11, 2022 10:09am
    - blue collar
      
      Wouldn’t surprise me pdm … he is a politician after all , if 100 million was effective and 2,900 million squandered or used in a nepotism kinda way or wouldn’t be at all surprised .
      
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      June 11, 2022 2:29pm
Warren

I see the Country again have to put up with Prime Minister’s bed partners expertise on what gifts the Prime Minister received from another Country’s Political Leader and the choice of music, when are the Media going to put this ignorant AH in his place.
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June 11, 2022 8:33am
- Nickc2
  
  Is the apostrophe deliberately missing from the word ‘partners’ Warren?
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:31am
- Mobile Michael
  
  Clarke Gayford must be under house arrest now:
  
  1. Tweets a Cabinet decision before it is publicly announced.
  2. Tries to big name a pharmacist into giving his mates RAT Tests.
  3. Insults the head of Government of our closest ally.
  
  “Where’s Clarke?” Bound, gagged and locked in the basement to prevent him embarrassing the Prime Minister.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:16am
cas

one local at the pub last night was saying one of the motels in town that houses the homeless rakes in $1000 per room per week and the glass man has never been so busy
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June 11, 2022 8:49am
- Nickc2
  
  That reminded me. I was in my local the other day having a beer and the TV behind the bar was on the Al Jazeera Channel when a clip came up of the Russian invasion of Ukraine showing apartments destroyed by gunfire and fires when someone commented in a loud voice “look, South Auckland’s on TV”. I almost choked and drowned on my pint but had to admit he had a point, given Gang activity in areas of Akld.
  Admittedly, the Russians were using bigger guns but it’s only a matter of time eh?
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:51am
blue collar

HOW GOOD WAS MITCHELLS CIDER BALL ? 😅 the dear old lady had no idea it was coming ….
None of the old boys seemed keen to catch it , very lucky really , hope she got a few freebies , bloody poms probably tried to get extra shine on the ball afterwards
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June 11, 2022 9:08am
- Tricati
  
  It was awesome.
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:28am
Maggie Pie

Here’s one for a Saturday morning…

We had a few friends over last night. The discussion got onto ‘climate-change’… and NZ’s requirement to convert 380,000 Hectares of productive farmland to Exotic Forest by 2035.

One of the girls came up with what I thort was an interesting question….”Rather than putting the burden entirely on our farmers, how many trees would need to be planted on the (average) residential section to meet the same goal?”

As an example, given our property in Remuera is a little over 1800 sq mt, with about a quarter of it in mature trees, are we already doing OUR bit?
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June 11, 2022 9:34am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If you really want to reduce CO2 levels you should cut down all the forests and land-fill them, grow more, rinse, repeat. In Remuera microcosm put all the trees on your property through a chipper, fill in your pool with the chips and cover it over with a few loads of nice impermeable clay. I think all leafy green suburb Green voters should be compelled to follow this path – climate action starts at home!
  
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  June 11, 2022 9:58am
- MCōs
  
  Alternatively that’s enough room to whack up a plasterboard factory.
  
  I noticed yesterday one of the rugby jerseys had ads for Gib Board.
  Why bother?
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! You do come across as a bit silly sometimes Cossie….
    imagine trying to get the neighbors permission for that in the grammar zone.
    
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    June 11, 2022 10:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  with about a quarter of it in mature trees, are we already doing OUR bit?
  
  Not really, Maggie Pie.
  
  1. Mature trees are usually in a near CO2 balance… the volume of new growth they are adding each year is pretty much the same as the volume they are losing (leaf fall, branch decay, root decay, and respiration)
  
  2. Assuming you plant up another quarter of your section (450 sq M) with fast-growing trees, then you might in a few years’ time get them sequestering C at a rate of 0.3 tonnes/yr.
  
  (This is based on our plantation forests accumulating 6.4 tonnes C/ha/yr).
  
  But an average NZ has a C footprint of 10 tonnes/ha.
  
  Now I’m sure you and your partner are NOT average…
  
  So each of you are at least 9.7 tonnes C in the red each year.
  
  I expect to see you at Remuera’s next planting day.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thanks Maggz….that was exactly my thinking as well.
    
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    June 11, 2022 10:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hahahaha
      
      As a taxpayer, you are already paying for the “maintenance” of about 10 million ha of mature & growing forest.
      
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      June 11, 2022 10:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Anyway Maggie Pie, just be very careful about which type of trees you start planting..
      
      If you plant Pines, you’ll be screwed over by the Government
      https://www.teaomaori.news/bizarre-ministers-confronted-over-climate-reforms
      
      If you plant some native trees, you’ll be screwed over by your local council/regional council
      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2206/S00079/sna-land-grab-back-on-the-agenda.htm
      
      Why not install a duckpond, instead?
      
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      June 11, 2022 10:56am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        We’ve got about 40 in the freezer already.
        And my partner’s back down the farm this weekend.
        
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        June 11, 2022 11:12am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Add a herbaceous border
        
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        June 11, 2022 4:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trouble is trees grow and have to be moved at a later date. Neighbour planted monkey apple type hedge and never took care of it. Over 30 years they grew to 7 meters high and trunks 300mm diameter.
  Cost me $11000 to get them removed and stumps ground, so I could put up a fence.
  And I got my sunlight back!
  I used to have a view right down Hellyer’s Creek to Hobsonville boat ramp and wharf. Now the view is blocked with trees trees trees!!
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:47am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    If you want to remove trees quickly and cheaply hire an excavator mulcher.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIBHPT293MI
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Those are some real ‘don’t fuck with me’ machines!
      Had no room for large machines. Just a traxcavator with a tree holder, then cut the base, then threw the bulk into the chipper
      
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      June 11, 2022 4:25pm
- blue collar
  
  Yes indeed madam pie , valid point , , I spose the govt could allow the poor and elderly in units to grow a heap of weed indoors to do their bit ….. I’m sure it’d be rigorously embraced , in the name of the climate of course
  next thing the gangsters will be lauded for killing people thus eliminating the need for more trees being planted, and gifted automatic weapons to save the planet //
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just on Aljazeera, Liz Cheney saying that Donald Trump did not try to stop the rioting at the Capitol on Jan6th. Then she said he did not try to action the National Guard! This fucking RINO is being elusive. Nancy Pelosi “blocked” the National Guard from being put into motion!
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June 11, 2022 9:43am
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, political theatre at its best, as cast, scripted, produced and directed by the Democrats with a couple of treacherous RINOs thrown in.
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even the chair is a Democrat. Said it was a Coup.
    The rally was infiltrated by groups that said they were going to do it. Antifa, BLM, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Groyper Army, Last Sons of Liberty, The Three Percenters, Rise Above the Nation. Many others, way over 20 groups.
    This was on social media many days before Jan 6th. Sure they had American Flags and Trump Flags, but they were NOT Trump supporters – you could tell by their dress code.
    Bit that pisses me of is Nancy Pelosi freezing the National Guard on 3 occasions. She new this was the plan, and the media protect her.
    End of rant.
    
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    June 11, 2022 11:10am
    - Don Beckett
      
      You forgot the FBI infiltrators who were stirring up & showing the way. They were even involved in the shooting of that lady (forget her name) but you won’t hear about that.
      
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      June 11, 2022 11:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ashli Babbitt. This should be part of the current Hearing.
        https://thepoliticalinsider.com/newly-released-jan-6-documents-reveal-officer-never-filed-report-in-shooting-death-of-ashli-babbitt/?
        
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        June 11, 2022 12:26pm
      - gravedodger
        
        Who was “Ray Epps”, what was his involvement, why was he never investigated or called to give evidence anywhere along the entire inquiry?
        Would love to know aye?
        
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        June 11, 2022 2:16pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I agree with everything both you and Don Beckett say about this facade of an inquiry.
      What I can’t come to grips with is the fact that crime at this high level is sanctioned by the FBI and often their operatives at the highest level are involved and approximately 50 percent of the nation doesn’t give a shit. To me, it’s almost as though the public expects it and because it’s been happening over many decades, they just turn a blind eye.
      Is this to be the future of once were democratic nations?
      
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      June 11, 2022 12:17pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        The Gov Whitmer case leading up to the 2020 election demonstrates clearly that, absent the direct involvement and impetus of federal agents, the phenomenon of “right wing extremist groups” is almost non-existent. It is a concocted threat that is used to justify expansion of powers and budgets, and consequent severe law enforcement measures against and political persecution of opponents of the power structure (loosely, those who did or are likely to vote for Trump or someone like Trump).
        
        Clearly, Trump supporters expressed their justifiable frustration at the Capitol on Jan 6th of their own volition, and they rioted on the grounds. However, there was never any conspiracy to do so nor was there an attempted “insurrection.” Just for starters, the purported insurrectionists were unarmed. But it is also clear that several factors suggest that the authorities wanted a disturbance in order to act as a pretext for a crack down on political dissent, which would engender a chilling effect and make people think twice.
        
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        June 11, 2022 1:01pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Remember what Obama said when he got into office. “We now have this opportunity to fundamentally change America.”
        And he was well on the way to doing it, when Trump interrupted the succession by beating Killary. He weaponised the FBI, CIA, Justice Dept – and whatever else he could. We are seeing further evidence of this with these mock hearings, including the co-operation of a few RINOs.
        Its all about preventing Trump from standing in 2024.
        
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        June 11, 2022 2:07pm
  - curry4me
    
    She has got one of those Profiles In Courage awards from the FK library.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:40pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  “Liz Cheney saying that Donald Trump did not try to stop the rioting at the Capitol on Jan6th.”
  
  She obviously didn’t see this video Trump put out on the 6th, but then, not many did because it was removed from Twitter. They wanted an incident to occur at the Capitol as a pretext for a massive crackdown on political dissent.
  
  “Go home, and go home in peace”
  
  https://gab.com/Brandontor/posts/108451434154864238
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:12pm
greybeard

Correlation or causation?
Kane Williamson not in the team and the Black Caps batsmen finally deliver the goods.
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June 11, 2022 9:44am
- blue collar
  
  I was thinking the same thing brother greybeard , he’s in a shocking slump , I felt good knowing he wasn’t playing , he will come right but at the moment , pick on form
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They didn’t prod and poke and look what happened.
  Hope it’s not Kane who encourages that negative batting.
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:06pm
Maggie Pie

BBC reporting…. Prince Charles is ‘privately upset’ with the Supreme Court ruling to uphold Priti Patel’s decision, that the UK set the precedent by sending back a boat load of illegal-immigrants to Rwanda this coming Tuesday.

My partner’s mum has always maintained Charlie is an inbred idiot.
Ever since he was recorded saying that he wants to come back as Camilla’s tampax, she lost all respect for him and the Monarchy.

Just saying.
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June 11, 2022 10:03am
- blue collar
  
  On some levels Maggie , he’s also a fan ( years ago ) of Britain maintaining its ability to grow its own food and feed itself if necessary
  That’s very level headed , watch Ukraine effects in 12 months
  Unlike our tree planting on arable land idiots
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Charlie Boy is not all there
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:12am
Pineapple Lumps

QUEER ACTIVIST GAINS HIPKINS AND MINISTRY OF EDUCATION SUPPORT TO ATTACK VALUES OF CHRISTIAN SCHOOL

When do LGQBTetc rights become persecution of Christians?

Bethlehem College Tauranga – a State Integrated College with its special character based on Christianity – is coming under fire from Gordy Lockhart, an LGQBTetc activist. Gordy has taken exception to a Christian school having a statement of beliefs that includes that Marriage is between a man and a woman. This could harm LGBetc children at the school.

Chris Hopkins and the MinEd are now getting involved to ensure the wellbeing of LGBetc children.

But if you look at what is really going on here, Gordy the activist is actually attacking Christians and telling them they don’t have the right to hold their views. Why is MinEd not protecting the Christian students from being attacked by an LGBetc activist? The direct correlation here is that the Gordys of this world will keep attacking the views, values, morales of anyone that doesn’t support his minority lifestyle.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that this argument with Bethlehem College can be equally applied to Churches. LGBetc children and people in Churches are being harmed by the values of the Church. When does it become illegal to have the view that marriage is between a man and woman before God? How many years until we see Christians discriminated against and persecuted in New Zealand?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/taurangas-bethlehem-college-criticised-for-discriminatory-marriage-belief/ACKCSXMNTDGQ5CRCLF7AMTWZXY/
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June 11, 2022 10:19am
- Inandout
  
  PL, I can imagine the rainbowed Gordy haunting a Muslim school; well of course it wouldn’t happen.
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:11am
- oldfella
  
  PL: Can’t wait till the BLT+ community try the same trick on local Muslims. A religion which doesn’t always turn the other cheek in the face of criticism.
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  What does Islam say about marriage?
  Most Muslims believe marriage is a fundamental building block of life. Marriage is a contract between a man and woman to live together as husband and wife.
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zd8qn39/revision/2
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:25am
- Ehlana
  
  Very much looks like a case of “I don’t like what you believe, so you’re not allowed to say it”, coupled with wilful misunderstanding or appallingly poor reading comprehension skills.
  
  Perhaps the Ministry’s time would be better employed in referring Mr Lockhart to an adult literacy course, and protecting children (Christian and otherwise) from the influence of adults who do not uphold the human rights of freedom of association, conscience and expression.
  
  It turns out around 2% of marriages and civil unions are between people of the same sex (2019).
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:28am
- Matt Long
  
  Militant homosexuals have had it in for monotheists since Lot lived in Sodom.
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:03pm
Maggie Pie

Don’t know wot Cindy’s on….not sure I’d want some anyway 😀

https://twitter.com/goodfoodgal/status/1535250690653974529
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June 11, 2022 10:20am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  She’s the Jezebel of the South Pacific, high on power, full of lust from the wanton destruction of New Zealand, swimming in hubris, enamoured by fame, convinced of her own – intellectual, morale, political, personal – superiority, egotistical about her popularity, besotted by her own reflection and in love with the sound of her own voice.
  
  Are you sure you don’t want some?
  
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  June 11, 2022 10:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t know whose hands to watch, hers or the sign person.
  Punch and Judy show
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:16am
  - blue collar
    
    Another classic stevo ! Keep ‘em coming 😅
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:23pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  About $550k a year I believe, and I am sure most of us would like some of that.
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:17pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    She is one of the highest paid Pms in the Western world. She is paid more than Boris
    
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    June 11, 2022 1:37pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Why?
      
      It’s not that big a country.
      
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      June 11, 2022 4:17pm
- Scooter
  
  Calling him Albon at the start, so cringe worthy. Wonder what he calls her, Jacksy?
  
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  June 11, 2022 4:04pm
rouppe

Read the piece on the conviction of Mauha Fawcett for Mallory Manning’s murder.

Was interesting until it got to the end where suddenly his race started popping up.

“You have a young Māori man with connections to the underworld who suffers from FASD, and he’s spending hours and hours in what can only be described as psychologically difficult police interviews.”

So it’s ok if a non Maori person who suffers from FASD spends hours in “psychologically difficult police interviews”?

McKinnel says it’s completely unacceptable for police officers to lie, or contemplate lying during interviews, “and telling a psychologically vulnerable young Māori male not to speak to a lawyer, whatever your intent, is a deeply troubling feature of any case.”

But telling a non Maori to not speak to a lawyer is OK… Got it.
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June 11, 2022 10:22am
- Jack5
  
  Interesting bit, too, about a “neuro-psychologist” examining Fawcett and claiming it was incontrovertible that Fawcett was suffering from Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD).
  
  Who can prove the mother did or didn’t drink to excess when the perpetrator was still in her womb?
  
  An article in the Guardian claimed up to 17 per cent of children could be suffering from FASD. Is that credible?
  
  The Mallory Manning case report Rouppe links to says the gang was running a protection racket for prostitutes, and scientific evidence showed the woman’s murder occurred on land adjacent to a gang house.
  
  Gangs will give inflation a run for top voter attention at the next election.
  
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  June 11, 2022 3:44pm
SmokerGuy

Reading story after story of the money wasted in New Zealand and the way everything is going backwards, this country so desperately needs a change of direction. Next years election is probably the most important for a long time, if Labour win we are facing a monumental task to recover in 4 years time.
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June 11, 2022 10:30am
oldfella

This story popped up last night on the horrid.
Tauranga’s Bethlehem College criticised for ‘discriminatory’ marriage belief
Basically, the BLT+ community expressing butt-hurty feelings.
When I checked the story last night comments were open, and the first one said ‘the world has gone mad’.
Today… comments had mysteriously vanished, probably because the horrid got a ton of similar opinions which didn’t suit their wokey agenda.
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June 11, 2022 10:31am
- Ehlana
  
  Like the gay couples ordering wedding cakes from Christian bakers, you have to wonder – why didn’t they just go elsewhere?
  
  One hopes this activist doesn’t have children.
  
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  June 11, 2022 4:19pm
Warren

Why would anyone in Tauranga trust to vote Jan Tinetti in the upcoming By Election when you have storys like this in the media.
https://sunlive.co.nz/news/295809-residents-rally-after-tauranga-home-invasions.html
What a absolutely useless bunch of idiots that call themselves a Government we have in this Country.
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June 11, 2022 11:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler rips Bernie Sanders a new arsehole on democratic socialism.
This is the kind of shit that is on our doorstep now!
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialLizWheeler/videos/1989881901116798
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June 11, 2022 11:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bet you did not know that if Democrats stopped shooting people, gun violence would drop 91.4%.
This is not from the NRA, it’s from the FBI.
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June 11, 2022 11:51am
blue collar

Production is down at work . 10 sick days , covid leave , I could count the weeks Ive had full crews at work on one hand . Oh well , pass the costs on , more expensive to do the same job as it takes longer , take that economy …. Oh wait , it already is …. A bit more fuel for the dumpster fire 🔥
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June 11, 2022 12:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ronald Reagan: You can have peace in the next second – surrender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxWpNeW-kpE
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June 11, 2022 12:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stand up to the fucking socialists. Yep, I mean our Current Labour Govt
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:40pm
ClanMcleod

Well, didn’t see that coming. Ardern had to push the media to ask questions about monkeypox!
They’re probably too embarrassed after making dicks of themselves over covid for 2 plus years. They’ll want extra money to push this moronic narrative.

🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

https://twitter.com/Bel_B30/status/1535163068426203137?s=20&t=Ugzdi4_CKk4Abjr6qaem4Q

Ardern is a dangerous embarrassment.
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June 11, 2022 12:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is pathetic, begging for monkeypox questions. Here is an idea Jaspinda: Give the media questions and answers like you usually do
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:48pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Or, just for fun, let them come up with their own questions, then you try to answer them. Honestly.
    
    Hey, it could catch on.
    
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    June 11, 2022 4:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Serious? Me answer media questions?
      In 3.2 seconds they would be gone – same a goldfish in a bowl – round and round, roumd and rooond raoaround da rohnd.
      The goldfish dies
      
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      June 11, 2022 5:31pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Nice tweet from Peter Sweden, anti-WEF:
  
  – Say no to digital ID
  – Say no to cashless society
  – Say no to social credit scores
  – Say no to control society
  – Say no to Global Communism
  
  – I will live in freedom
  – I will have privacy
  – I will own my land
  – And I will be happy
  
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  June 11, 2022 4:15pm
blue collar

I’m filthy about the treatment of Mike kings outfit . ‘ the key to life charitable trust ‘ . Perfectly set up non profit to aid youth .
All it needed was money
Funds raised by the public and the rock radio station and a few corporates
The govt had 1.9 billion and has done NOTHING . Rejected mikes application for funds .
Fucken criminal …. Bugger the application technicalities ( slightly late or something ) more like can’t let someone succeed where they failed .
AND NOW …. media and govt concerned about youth mental health and suicide , still no action.
I really wish , really wish sometimes I could march in the beehive , round up the pollies in one room , and sort things out one way , or another .

The solution is there , 700 odd counsellors on call with a guaranteed up to 48 hour I think access ,$ 60-70 per session , bloody use it Brenda you clueless , useless , careless , god damned deranged and dangerous lunatic !
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June 11, 2022 12:42pm
- Nickc2
  
  you clueless , useless , careless , god damned deranged and dangerous lunatic
  Don’t hold back blue collar, tell it like it is FFS.
  
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  June 11, 2022 12:56pm
- Mike
  
  A certain section of the community had their march to the Beehive earlier this year and it caused nothing but harm.
  I would suggesy that anyone motivated to help with mental health issues would expend their efforts more usefully by volunteering time or money to support an effective charity or service.
  
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  June 11, 2022 1:18pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Still trying to catch you a billy goat eh Mikey?
    But actually your comment is quite correct. The protest against vaccine mandates and discrimination did cause harm.
    
    Harm to the JArdern brand through refusal to engage in democratic discourse. Harm to the trust of New Zealanders in their political leaders of all persuasions. Harm to the MSM, as they showed they had no journalistic integrity. Harm to the integrity of the NZ Police force and justice system. Harm to the fabric of our society as many believed the lies of the controlled narrative a those protesters are not us, they are subhuman filth.
    
    Yes you are right, no point trying to engage with Ardern et al around trying to better NZ. She won’t front up, she certainly won’t listen and possibly those seeking to engage will get lashed – certainly verbally and potentially physically – by the narcissistic power tripping psycho.
    
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    June 11, 2022 3:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike is a troll – a Jaspinda protector, but he is also
      digging a whole/hole.
      So exciting that I may fuck off to the BBQ or spa
      
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      June 11, 2022 5:39pm
- Warren
  
  Mike King chose to play Politics and while I think he has got what he deserves the trust he runs needs opologize for his condemnation of the National Party when the Labour Party have really done nothing to help Mike King or the organization he runs .
  
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  June 11, 2022 1:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC on Jan 6th. A bloody drama queen. She was not even in the Capitol Building, she was in her office in the Canon House building.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/aoc-tears-up-having-to-relive-january-6-footage-i-am-so-angry/?
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June 11, 2022 12:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi got torn a new one again. Rep. Matt Gaetz shares the inconvenient facts about guns that Nancy Pelosi doesn’t want you to see. Pelosi is a very powerful but dangerous Woman.
https://rumble.com/v17wt6e-gaetz-demolishes-pelosi-by-name-schools-her-on-2nd-amendment.html?
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June 11, 2022 1:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jan 6th never before seen courtroom footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVm-IbsmdP4
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June 11, 2022 1:08pm
- Mike
  
  Have you been watching the live hearings about the insurrection, Steve?
  
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  June 11, 2022 1:14pm
  - Inandout
    
    Mike, can you not see this as an absolute diversionary tactic from the Dems? The US has so many problems at present that are purely the fault of a doddery President who went against everything that Trump had put in place. They polled the most pressing problems that US citizens face at present and it revealed Jan 6th was not one of them. Crime, fuel, energy and food prices, shortages of essential baby products and the general directionless of the WH featured.
    
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    June 11, 2022 2:53pm
    - Mike
      
      Perhaps one could forgive politicians for being interested in pursuing justice against those who plotted to destroy the political system.
      
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      June 11, 2022 3:34pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    Right wing people the world over should be shocked and embarrassed by the day and the footage of that day.
    
    I can see by some of the reactions here on this blog, they are!
    
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    June 11, 2022 4:50pm
Tony Stuart

Two points from Chris Luxon’s speech to the National Party Northern Regional conference this morning.

1) He has stated quite clearly that National does not support the co-governance of public services, and
2) He has announced a four-point plan aimed squarely at the gangs who are running riot at the moment

https://twitter.com/chrisluxonmp/status/1535418120482869248

The ball’s in your court Jacinda, Nanaia and Poto…
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June 11, 2022 2:01pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Smart points for National.
  
  Legacy media and Social Media Labour activists meanwhile attack Luxon for not stating what cost cutting he would propose.
  
  To me Luxon needs to turn the sound bite around to “everyday NZers expect money to be spent carefully and not wasted. They don’t listen Labours reckless accumulation of debt and bankrupting of the country for their children and grandchildren. The question decent journalists should be asking the current Minister of Finance is why is he spending so recklessly and what is he going to cut back on to stop ruining the country.”
  
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  June 11, 2022 2:18pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’ve just listened to Luxon’s full speech, and there are some smart politics on display. He’s said that Labour is welcome to pick up these policies, and the National Party will support their implementation.
    
    So either Labour does something, and has to share the glory with National, or they can reject these policies out of hand, in which case National can accuse Labour of being soft on crime. One thing is for sure; serving Police will love Mark Mitchell and Chris Luxon’s solution, given they’re feeling totally hamstrung by Poto Williams and Commissioner Coster.
    
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    June 11, 2022 5:16pm
- curry4me
  
  Yes, Luxons recent speech was just the thing. I hope they’re up a couple of points in the net polls.
  
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  June 11, 2022 6:08pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  The current Police Minister will soon be dropped like a, well like a…hot potato?
  
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  June 11, 2022 11:49pm
Surely Knott

Stuff reports Justin Beiber’s facial paralysis is caused by a virus that 60,000 kiwis get each year. It is the chicken pox virus. and Beiber has ramsay hunt syndrome caused by shingles from the virus.

Their emphasis is on how common the virus is. (although hunt syndrome is rare)
What they don’t say is that shingles is a known side effect of the vaccine.

And in further bizarre health issues his health young wife suffered a mini stroke last year.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/128934136/ramsay-hunt-syndrome-justin-bieber-face-paralysis-caused-by-virus-60000-kiwis-catch-a-year
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June 11, 2022 2:31pm
- Inandout
  
  SK, had a shingles vaccine about 4 years ago and was assured any outbreaks (if at all) would be minor. I paid $200 so I expected a good result.
  
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  June 11, 2022 3:11pm
ClanMcleod

It was representative of most of NZ. The only people not there were the idiots who still think Brenda is “amazing” and the bought and owned shills in the media. Oh, and of course the coward herself.
The only people causing harm were the thug Mallard, the imported riot squad heavies and the compliant and complicit media shills reporting lies on a daily basis.
Mike obviously got all his information about the event from the “single source of propaganda”.
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June 11, 2022 2:59pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Goebbels used images of rats to create the mindset that Jews were less than human. Labour branded protestors a river of filth. You are right clan, the protestors were over the target and the labour ack-ack propaganda machine aggressively shot them down.
  
  Many of these people lost their jobs, vocations they trained years to do, we’re worried about the growing authoritarianism in our country, opposed to vaccine mandates for themselves, their children, their grandchildren. Still today the discrimination in our country continues. And for what purpose? To protect the health system, to protect the Whanau, to prevent the catching and spread of a minor illness, to protect the vulnerable…propaganda ad nauseam.
  
  Perhaps Mike is a Globalist, he certainly shows no empathy for the real harm that has been done in NZ this past 3 years.
  
  People with effigies of nooses are not the psychopaths. They are patriots, frustrated and powerless to stop the destruction of our once beautiful and world leading country.
  
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  June 11, 2022 3:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jan 6th Hearing. Someone here said that Jan 6th was theatre. Well if not, what did the committee hire a TV Producer? The Demorats are getting desperate. They want this hearing sensationalised
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/schiff-scrambles-to-explain-away-why-jan-6-hearing-hired-a-tv-producer/
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June 11, 2022 3:05pm
- Mike
  
  Says the guy who thinks 2000 Mules was a documentary.
  
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  June 11, 2022 3:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Cheney has the knife out for Trump. How the fuck did she ever get on that committee?
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/george-conway-hard-doj-ignore-234133588.html
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June 11, 2022 3:08pm
- Mike
  
  You might recall that the vast majority of the republican members supported subverting the election result and were not interested in investigating the insurrection, much less prosecuting those responsible.
  
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  June 11, 2022 3:38pm
Maggie Pie

Well as I predicted on GD yesterday.
It didn’t take long for calls-to-cancel tennis bestie Louise Wallace…..for her throw away line about “gaffer-taping shut the mouths of lardo’s”.

And by none other than Dame Valarie!!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1535452632801853443

Honestly, some people must have been born without a ‘funny-bone’.
Even my partner still cracks up at jokes about female Belarussian Shot-Putters 😀
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June 11, 2022 3:50pm
ClanMcleod

Petrol prices and the reason they are rising dramatically. One of the primary reasons is lack of refining capacity.Ardern closes Marsden Point. Anyone seeing the bigger picture here? The “Great Reset” aka the green new deal is well under way. Ardern is a WEF plant and she doesn’t care how much destruction she causes on her road to Agenda 2030.
2 years ago it was understandable if people thought this was a conspiracy. Anyone still believing that is not paying attention. NZ is nothing but a vehicle for Ardern’s real mission. Globalist shill.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/06/10/why-is-gasoline-so-expensive-lack-of-refining-capacity/
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June 11, 2022 4:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  What about the even bigger horror of the EU mandating one specification for cellphone charging ports? Biggest WEF/freemason/globalist/rootless cosmopolitan/Agenda 2030/communist/Great Reset achievement of the week.
  
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  June 11, 2022 5:19pm
Maggie Pie

ZB News @5pm….

‘Emergency Services’ wish to advise people NOT-TO-CALL 111 for advice on what to do for a Cold.
Rather, go to your nearest Medical Center or GP.

Isn’t this just another indication of the types of f**wits who now populate this country?

SHEESH!!
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June 11, 2022 5:11pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It seems very unfair on you, Maggie, to expect you to remember more than one phone number to get the help you need.
  
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  June 11, 2022 5:21pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hope you were able to take their advice on board milkey? 😀 😀 😀
    
    Bless.
    
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    June 11, 2022 5:39pm
Maggie Pie

And came across this on ‘Twitter Thread Reader’.

Nothing more than a series of random-pictures…..

https://twitter-thread.com/t/1535182072083812353
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June 11, 2022 7:40pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Ormsby? I know that name from somewhere. Now where was it? Oh it’s just on the top of my tongue…
  
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  June 11, 2022 8:30pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, it was kind of you to make that series of pictures available to us.
  It is profoundly depressing just how much people can do to get their mouths firmly engorged on the taxpayers’ teat.
  
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