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Tony Stuart

Another brick in the Mahuta wall; the Herald reports (paywalled):

A consulting firm belonging solely to the husband of Labour Minister Nanaia Mahuta, (William) Gannin Ormsby, was awarded a grant of $28,300 by the Ministry of Māori Development in a period when Mahuta was the department’s Associate Minister.

The role of Associate Minister has narrowly defined responsibilities. The funds were awarded from a suicide prevention fund administered by the department; decision-making responsibility for investments from the Rangatahi Suicide Prevention Fund rested with Willie Jackson, the Minister of Māori Development, his office said.

Relating to matters where Minister Mahuta has ministerial responsibility, a spokesperson for her office said: “where there have been conflicts they have been disclosed to the Cabinet Office. Where there have been conflicts, they are managed appropriately, in accordance with the Cabinet Manual.”

Department documents describe the payment to Ormsby as “funding” for a project to “increase confidence, resilience and self-awareness in rangatahi [young people] through a series of wānanga [forums or seminars]”.

The money flowed from the fund “Rangatahi Manawaroa” formerly the Rangatahi Suicide Prevention Fund, and was made to Ormsby’s consulting firm, Ka Awatea Services, in April last year; Ormsby is the company’s sole shareholder.

Gannin Ormsby spoke to the Herald late on Wednesday. He initially declined to comment on the process he followed in applying for the grant and the disclosures he made, but he subsequently provided to the Herald his firm’s application document, which notes under “conflict of interest”: “Yes – Nanaia Mahuta is the wife of Ka Awatea Director Gannin Ormsby and Aunty of Ka Awatea Directors and Toa Taua Taiao [the project’s name] creators Tamoko and Waimirirangi Ormsby.”
Ormsby also said the project was successful and overseen by his nephew, Tamoko Ormsby, and Tamoko’s wife, Waimirirangi Ormsby, both of whom are directors of Ka Awatea Services.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/second-government-payment-made-to-labour-minister-nanaia-mahutas-husbands-firm/FC5DBQZUZJHPU5DVLM6IHWFT5E/

This whole situation gets murkier and murkier, but here comes the kicker:

A spokesperson for the Department of Māori Development said that expertise in suicide prevention was not required of those receiving money from the fund.

So the Ministry of Maori Development is throwing taxpayer money around willy-nilly, to people with no experience whatsoever in suicide prevention. Those who are struggling to get appointments in the mental health space, particularly for children, will be less than impressed by this revelation.

One can’t help but wonder too if Ormsby disclosed his 2003 conviction for assault on a female, for which he was ordered to do 240 hours of community service.

The Prime Minister cannot allow this to fester any longer. Kate McNamara from the Herald is one of the few people in the mainstream media to cover the issue of Mahuta’s perceived conflicts of interest, but I predict it’s not long before other variants of this story start to appear.

It’s time for either the State Services Commissioner or the Auditor-General to investigate these allegations of conflicts of interest, given that Mahuta’s Three Waters legislation, around which many allegations are centred, goes before Parliament this afternoon for its First Reading debate.
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December 9, 2019 8:04am
- burt
  
  She’s a member of the Labour Party and is therefore untouchable. Move on.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:07am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Don’t forget she is also a Mahuta, so very, very untouchable.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:18am
    - David Garrett
      
      Tony S: Well spotted Sir…almost makes me want to start reading the Horrid again…almost
      
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      June 9, 2022 8:27am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Nowhere near making me go near it again David. I binned it after Wilson penned his series on so called “poverty” when Key was PM, so the ship has sailed. They kept calling me (literally up until last year) with offers of free papers, and only stopped when I told them: “I wouldn’t use your paper to wipe my arse”. And asked them if I had made myself clear.
        
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        June 9, 2022 9:24am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        “I wouldn’t use your paper to wipe my arse”
        
        Reminds me of this scene….
        
        Melchett:
        Interesting thought. Make a note of it, Darling! Now, take a look at this: “King & Country”.
        
        Blackadder:
        Ah, yes, without question my favourite magazine; soft, strong …. and thoroughly absorbent.
        
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        June 9, 2022 10:49am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s a stinking mess for Ardern , people will vote with their feet
      
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      June 9, 2022 1:11pm
  - kowtow
    
    In India the Untouchables are at the bottom of the pile, in newly third world status NZ the Untouchables are on top.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:39am
    - Jack5
      
      Under India’s Constitution, the Untouchables, known as Dalits, still face discrimination, and particularly so if they are Christian or Muslim.
      
      There may be 15 to 20 million Christians among the 200 million or so Dalits.
      
      Christian and Muslim Dalits, under the Constitution, are excluded from Indian’s official “Scheduled Caste” list. Sikh Dalits were added to the list in 1950, and Buddhist Dalits in 1990. The list brings political and other rights.
      
      This, from the Indian publication, National Herald (founded by Nehru in 1938), explains the effect:
      
      Take the case of Soosai (1985) who was a cobbler in Chennai, belonging to the Adi-Dravida caste, i.e., before he converted to Christianity. Since he belonged to the cobbler community, he was considered to be an untouchable. His caste was also mentioned in the Scheduled Caste list. Despite converting to Christianity, his economic and social condition saw no considerable change. But when free bunk beds were allotted to members of his caste-community, Soosai was excluded because he was not a Hindu or Sikh.
      
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      June 9, 2022 11:49am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        I thought the Indian government banned the cast system in 1948? It existence today has no official status or framework. I don’t understand how you claim that groups are being added to it . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India
        
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        June 9, 2022 1:53pm
- MiddleclassTrash
  
  It’s those vague beige wahines again.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  I wonder what proportion of their revenue Ka Awatea receives from the private sector – or does all their revenue come from Labour Party initiatives?
  
  To my mind, that’s a bit of a test of their legitimacy.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:19am
- RockyJ
  
  Gannin Ormsby has skills in both suicide prevention and waste management. Impressive!
  Sounds like Tony Soprano
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:36am
  - Exclamation Mark
    
    And his sister in law, Tipi Mahuta is an expert in health administration and environmental management! Truly a family of polymaths if ever there was one!
    
    Is there anything the Mahutas can’t do? I mean, apart from local governance and foreign affairs obviously.
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:16am
- Yvette
  
  Tony Stuart
  Add the Mahuta connection that Nanaia Mahuta’s sister, Tipa Mahuta, chairs the Maori Advisory entity inputting to Taumata Arowai, the new Water Regulator – first “pillar” of “3 Waters” – and you have another area of possible conflict of Mahuta interest – not to mention that the Maori Advisory entity can surpass the “co-governance” aspects of “3 Waters” as well as blow the Havelock North and water purity arguments for “3 Waters” out of the bloody water.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:39am
  - NZL Fusion
    
    How does the Purity Argument add up?
    Permanent boil-water notices 7,771 people in total.”
    19565-Safe-drinking-water.pdf
    “Boil-water notices were mainly confined to smaller supplies
    In the 2019/20 reporting period, 78 supplies issued a boil-water notice (Table 2). Of these, 27 were permanent
    boil-water notices, nearly all of which were for minor supplies and affected an estimated 7,771 people in total.”
    
    The largest supply that issued a permanent notice was Awatere, in the Marlborough region, which supplied
    around 1,300 people (Figure 6).
    A further 51 temporary notices were issued, affecting up to 486,632 people. However, this may be an
    overestimate, as 335,500 of these were from a single supply – Christchurch City. It is probable that only a
    few zones within this supply would have been affected (though the Annual Report on Drinking-water Quality
    does not specify which), making the actual number of people required to boil their drinking-water likely
    to be considerably less than this.
    Two other large supplies also issued temporary notices: Nelson City, affecting up to 52,400 people and
    Cambridge, affecting up to 20,833 people.”
    
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    June 9, 2022 5:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://twitter.com/MahutaCorp/status/1534623421472317440
  
  ;D
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That’s one very clever parody account.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:51am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Sort of sums up many peoples concerns about co governance, three waters and the like. The Māori I know personally are hardworking business people who have never received a cent from any type of settlement or government hand out. Pity these troughers seem to do little else but reinforce stereotypes as they manipulate every attempt by successive governments to redress past wrongs. They disgust me . Māori deserve better. In my humble opinion.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:07am
- RoboRob
  
  Please nooo investigation. If that happens we get no results for at least two years. The results will be meaningless with the actions so historic, people will no longer care. Labour would likely not even be in government so what would any punishment even be?
  
  All during the investigation Labour would be able to say… ‘We can’t comment around this issue as it is subject to an on going investigation’. Any investigation would be a win for labour.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:12am
  - Matt Long
    
    Actually having someone under active investigation during an election campaign is a great place to be, you can insinuate all sorts of dark dealings and keep allegations front and centre during a campaign. When the investigation is over and nothing is found just shrug and move on or say the investigation was flawed or corrupt.
    You do have to keep the media on side like the Dems did with Trump, rather than covering up like they did for Hunter Biden.
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The police should be involved, and it may well be happening, I note Nats were doing due diligence, and both Nats and ACT have shut the door on the issue, just maybe they have found a smoking AK-47
      
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      June 9, 2022 1:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I didn’t take long for Tito Phillip Fields to get 3 years jail for corruption
    
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    June 9, 2022 1:13pm
- surfing
  
  I would love to know the actual work these maori do for their money.
  
  This sounds like a free handout disguised as work.
  
  And, do you have to be maori to qualify for contracts relating to maori?
  
  NZ is a cesspit of corruption where skin colour is more important than ability.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:33am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    It’s not work, surfing – it’s mahi
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:57am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s not money it’s a koha. //
      
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      June 9, 2022 11:01am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Most of the mahi they do surfing is trend setting in the size of rock to adorn progressive necks, introducing new te reo words and phrases to replace perfectly adequate English ones , campaigning to have place names widely accepted spellings changed and setting media personalities against each other as to who can pronounce Māori place names in the most ridiculous and obscure manner. Very important work for very important people.
    
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    June 9, 2022 2:14pm
- Nickc2
  
  This is so damned blatant as to be unbelievable. Well, in any civilised country it would but in the Maori Kingdom of Ngati Mahuta, it’s pretty much expected eh?
  Imagine what would happen if stunts like this were pulled by any minister(s) in the previous Govt!
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:40am
  - Swifty
    
    *King of Huntly
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:36am
    - Flossie
      
      Huntly – or maybe Ngaruawhaia?
      
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      June 9, 2022 11:07am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Everyone just needs to get over their white fragility – so there…!
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Accountability in public life and for public funds is a colonial construct.
    
    So’s the ridiculous concept of democracy.
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:45am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Critical of Labour always means paywalled.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:14am
- Thought Criminal
  
  If this is the level of corruption we’re getting now before three waters is even passed, imagine what it will be like once they have a whole army of unelected Maori bureaucrats all over the water. It will not be cheaper and it will not be better.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:17am
- Paulus
  
  Having a conviction is acceptable in such matters even if it is disclosed.
  Nothing to see here – move on.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I am more interested today in what is behind Prebos paywalled article about Labour and a snap election which will be suicide
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:09pm
peterwn

So the Supreme Court has overturned Alan Hall’s murder conviction after 37 years and after he has spent 19 years in prison. Some issues as I see them.
1. There seem to be serious and deliberate criminal and disciplinary breaches on the part of the Police and individual Police Officers. The Officers involved would have long since retired (or died) so action against them would now be extremely unlikely.
2. Whether any Crown Law contractors were implicated in these wrongdoings. If so, because of the seriousness of the matter, withdrawal of a Crown Law warrant even at this late stage should be given serious consideration.
3. Compensation of $3M plus reimbursement of Alan’s legal fees and costs involved with the investigations initiated by his family. It is apparent now that he was not responsible on the balance of probabilities. $1M of the $3M would be extraordinary damages for the serious wrongful actions on part of the Police at the time.
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June 9, 2022 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  19 years. What a travesty. How strong is the ‘get a conviction at any cost’ culture in NZP? I know this behaviour is talked up in cop dramas but is it a thing in reality?
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:20am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I suggest you read (or re-read) Beyond Reasonable Doubt. I’ve not read it for years but one of the aspects that has stuck with me was a discussion about Detective Hutton via people who had worked with him where he said that in any case where there are multiple suspects you eventually have to pick one, throw all the evidence you’ve got at them in a hypothetical trial in discussion with other investigators to see if it nails the suspect. If it does you go ahead and prosecute.
    
    Nowhere in that discussion is any room apparently given for one of the cops to play defence lawyer: any exculpatory evidence is excluded, under the assumption that that’s the Defence’s job if it goes to trial.
    
    It’s a hell of way of weeding out suspects.
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:57am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      They need the Devil’s Advocate
      
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      June 9, 2022 6:28pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      ….. and we know where Hutton’s style of investigation got Thoma & the NZ police & judicial system. When, oh when, is NZ going to rid itself of:
      1. Lazy incompetent police;
      2. Lazy, incompetent crown solicitors and prosecutors; and
      3. A Lazy judiciary all too happy to get prosecutions, but fail to ensure justice is served?
      
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      June 9, 2022 8:54pm
- Ehlana
  
  If the officers involved are retired, can they not be prosecuted? Surely some laws were broken here.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:23am
  - peterwn
    
    Yes they can. I did not mention this because the ‘trail’ might be too cold for successful prosecutions (and because I was wanting to post this at 8am). No doubt IPCA will be looking at this.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:44am
    - Alwynn
      
      Wouldn’t there be some statute of limitations that would prevent a prosecution after so many years?
      Actually I think that responsibility should be accepted from the top at the time.
      That would surely be whoever was responsible for the Justice portfolio at the time.
      Take away “Sir” Geoffrey Palmer’s knighthood.
      
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      June 9, 2022 11:14am
- MCōs
  
  The police will be fuming.
  They probably still think he did it.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:32am
  - MCōs
    
    Mike Bush’s eulogy for Bruce Hutton would have been an eye opener at to police thinking on that case.
    I’m sure there’s plenty of times the police ‘know’ they’ve got their man, but he’s slipped through their fingers.
    I read a book by the late Peter Williams wherein he wrote even if you know you’ve committed murder, plead not guilty.
    You just never know.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The most egregious thing about this case is that the Crown has known for decades that evidence was tampered with.
  
  In fact, the state had known since 1988 that the witness statement was doctored.
  https://worldnews.upexampaper.com/alan-hall-has-murder-conviction-quashed-after-36-years-more-new-zealand-news/
  
  Evidence about the doctored statements has been in the Crown files since 1993, according to The Listener.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/alan-halls-conviction-for-murder-looks-set-to-be-quashed-after-36-years/FOJX3I3BYN7467MMR7X7VBWLYQ/?c_id=1505029&objectid=12529851
  
  Somebody must have been actively stymying this case every time it went to appeal.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:33am
  - peterwn
    
    In which case if a specific Crown Law warrant holder is implicated, then the warrant should be cancelled and a different law firm appointed.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:47am
    - alex Masterley
      
      That might be tricky.
      Simon Moore was Crown Solicitor Auckland from 1994, to his appointment as a High Court Judge in 2004.
      Much water has passed under the Meredith Connell bridge since then.
      
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      June 9, 2022 1:26pm
  - pdm
    
    `In fact, the state had known since 1988 that the witness statement was doctored.’
    
    Would that be under Sir Geoffrey Palmer’s watch?
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed, it was. – 4th Labour Government until Nov 1990.
      
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      June 9, 2022 9:05am
    - surfing
      
      There are some really terrible politicians, Palmer is up there.
      
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      June 9, 2022 9:45am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Really – that’s quite a stretch.
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:17am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      He did 19 years, so he must have been convicted in 2003. Helen Clark’s government. Phil Goff would have been Minister of Justice.
      
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      June 9, 2022 1:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He was convicted of murder in 1986.
        He served 9 years in prison and was released on parole.
        
        He was recalled to prison in 2012 for a breach of his (strict) parole requirements.
        
        He did another 10 year stretch in prison and was only released this year.
        
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        June 9, 2022 1:13pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Nope, he has been on parole for 8 years, that 8 years has to be paid out as well, they had the price arrangement on news last night, 150 k for each year in jail, and another price for each of the last 8 years on parole
        
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        June 9, 2022 1:17pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  to give an idea of the timeframe involved, at the time of his conviction, Hall’s current lawyer, Nick Chisnall, would have still been in primary school.
  
  I note Chisnall is making quite a name for himself in cases involving miscarriages of Justice. A Justice system needs lawyers like Chisnall to keep it on it’s toes.
  
  I also note Chisnall is also the lawyer for Scott Watson. Watch that space.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:41am
- G152
  
  Make those lawyers/cops who set that travesty up pay the millions Alan Hall is due
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:59am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I wouldn’t spend 19 years in prison for $3 million. I hope he gets a lot more than that.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:29pm
mikenmildagain

Happy Coral Triangle Day!
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June 9, 2022 8:04am
- Scott
  
  Apparently the Coral Triangle Day “is an annual, open-sourced event that brings together individuals, organizations, and establishments on one special day of the year to shed light on ocean conservation and the numerous ways to protect and conserve the Coral Triangle.”
  That sounds relatively harmless and even a good idea.
  
  However over in Australia the data is not good for the climate change fanatics.
  Australia is having a cold patch and winter records are tumbling. In Launceston in Tasmania the temperature is dropping to an “unbearable” -1.6°C! That’s just a normal night here in Masterton. And Brisbane is having its coldest weather for this time of year since 1904. The temperature is dropping during the night to 7°C!!
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10890967/Australia-weather-Cold-Sydney-Melbourne-Brisbane-rain-way.html
  
  One is forced to wonder about the predictions of the climate change/global warming lobby who predicted the end of snow and told us confidently the planet is getting warmer because of man’s carbon emissions. This data from Australia is the opposite of what one would expect if the planet is getting warmer. Brisbane is having its coldest weather for this time of year in 100 years.
  
  Our government spends millions of dollars on monstrous wind turbines, they bribe us to convert beautiful farmland into pine trees and we hamper our industry and development, for what? Is the planet actually getting warmer?
  Or is it the fanatical religious zeal of a relatively small minority who keep telling us that unless we change everything the end of the world is nigh?
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:39am
  - Don Beckett
    
    You are very correct Scott. This is one of the many unreported items of cooling trends around the world, particularly in the Northern Hemisphere, and the Southern Hemi. usually follows the Northern. They have been having record cold in the USA & Canada, so probably in Siberia & China as well.
    I happened to be reading my dad’s diary the other day, to see where he was on D Day – 6th. of June 1944. He was at Maadi Camp in Egypt, preparing for the invasion of Italy, and he was saying that it was very hot – 116 degrees F. in the shade – that’s 47 deg. C. I wonder how hot it is now in the same place?
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:50am
    - krazykiwi
      
      It’s colder that it was in 1944: https://www.accuweather.com/en/eg/al-maadi/127159/daily-weather-forecast/127159
      
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      June 9, 2022 11:19am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Thanks kk. Actually, the temp then was ’46 C in the shade’ -0 so outside temp. was probably 4 or 5 warmer. I recall putting a roof on a house when I was in Oz as a roofing contractor. I had a job to do at Cobar, NSW – a mining town out in the semi-arid central NSW. The carpenters knocked off at about 2pm. – I had the roof covered so they were workin g in the shade – they said “it’s 42 degrees – too hot in here.” I was till working up on the roof finishing it off, so probably around 48 – 50 C. I had my lackeys passing me up a mixture of salty water & lemon juice – with the warm dry breeze you didn’t sweat – the moisture was sucked right out of you. I finished the job about 4 pm – I had drunk 6 litres of the fluid. Didn’t have a piss until we’d had about 5 schooners of beer at the pub. 🙂
        
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        June 9, 2022 11:31am
      - Don Beckett
        
        That was back in 1982 – much younger & fitter then. It’d kill me even if I thought about doing it now 😆
        
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        June 9, 2022 11:33am
    - Jack5
      
      Some more momentous anniversaries on June 9 than “Coral Triangle Day” …
      
      In 1983, buoyed by the British victory in the Falklands War, Margaret Thatcher was re-elected in a landslide.
      
      The Congress of Vienna signed in 1815. The treaty re-organised Europe after Napoleon.
      
      George Stephenson, the English engineer was born in 1781. He was one of the great pioneers of the Industrial Revolution, which transformed, first, Britain, and then the world.
      
      In music and literature, on June 9, 1891, Cole Porter was born, and on June 9, 1870, Charles Dickens died.
      
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      June 9, 2022 11:23am
- Master Mariner
  
  Along similar theme.
  I was wondering why LaNina is hanging around for so long as well.
  Could this be the reason?
  https://phys.org/news/2022-06-huge-atlantic-ocean-current-downif.html
  It used to be called “The conveyor belt theory” however proven now.
  And in fact why the UK is moderate in temperature in relation to its Latitude.
  Its a well known fact that it is slowing down and has done so before.
  Interesting all the same.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:55am
  - Jack5
    
    Stand by for immigration from Scotland, Norway, Iceland?
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:54am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yes, if the Atlantic Conveyor stops then a winter in Cornwall will be akin to Labrador. Chilly times!
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:30pm
iMP

“Thunderbolts and Lightening, very very frightening, Gal-i-leo, Gal-i-leo, Figu-ro”
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June 9, 2022 8:05am
- Biscuit
  
  My cat dislikes you, iMP.
  
  She was on my lap as I read your post and she didn’t much take kindly to hearing my version of the lyrics ‘sang’ to her, ha…
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:08am
Flossie

The reporter òn TV 1 news last night said that the law regarding next of kin rights re the deceased burial was “different” for Maori.
I thought the Law was THE law!
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June 9, 2022 8:06am
- David Garrett
  
  Flossie: Yes the law is the law, but this particular area of the law is applied differently to Maori…in short, if members of an iwi snatches someone’s body and buries it somewhere the deceased had no desire to be, the cops will refuse to intervene. If someone were to seize yours and do the same, they would almost certainly do time for it. I hope that helps.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:35am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Crimes Act 1961 is colorblind:
    Misconduct in respect of human remains
    Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who—
    (a)
    neglects to perform any duty imposed on him or her by law or undertaken by him or her with reference to the burial or cremation of any dead human body or human remains; or
    (b)
    improperly or indecently interferes with or offers any indignity to any dead human body or human remains, whether buried or not.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:48am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The law might be colour-blind, but enforcement appears full of panty-waisted racists.
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:28am
- alex Masterley
  
  It is not the first time this has happened.
  Some years ago the body of a recently deceased maori fellow was taken from a funeral directors premises in Christchurch by members of his family and taken to a family cemetary in the North Island.
  That rumbled through the courts for a couple of years with the result, as I recall, there was an order made that the body be disintered and returned to christchurch.
  I am not entirely sure that happened as the case disappeared from the notice of the media.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    Alex: The man in question was never disinteŕred despite a High Court order…in short, the Whakatane cops – and presumably their masters- were intimidated by threats from the iwi in question
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:31am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Thanks. I thought that was the case but wasnt sure.
      It seems to be a “One rule for you and one rule for me” kind of situation.
      
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      June 9, 2022 9:38am
- Nickc2
  
  What century are you living in Flossie?
  This is 21st Century Aotearoa, formerly known as New Zealand.
  The century you’re dreaming of was when we were all equal and everyone of legal age had one vote for one Political Party and English was the predominant language on Television and Radio and before our MSM was paid to enhance and publish stories favourable to the current Govt and Maori.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:59am
- Paulus
  
  Nah – you do not understand Tikanga Maori superceeds all and any different Laws.
  How come you don’t know that ?!
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:46am
cmm

Christchurch and Ecan recently halved the bus fares in Chch/Canterbury to improve bus usage. So how is that going?

Yesterday, while out for a drive I saw 6 buses in use (I ignored empty buses not in service and two empty school buses).

They had 0, 0, 1, 2, 2 and 4 passengers. The bus I counted as having 4 passengers actually had 3 on when I counted, but one had just got off so I generously included an extra.

That’s nine passengers in 6 buses – an average of 1.5 passengers per bus.

A bus uses somewhere around 30-40l/100km. So those buses were averaging around 25l/100km per person moved. That’s about 3x what an SUV with a single person uses.

C’mon Jimmy Shaw, get your eco-terrorist mates out deflating bus tyres!
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June 9, 2022 8:07am
- Tricati
  
  Its OK CMM, the government is pushing through a bill to give Ngai Tahu two permanent (Unelected) seats on the ECan council, so they will sort it out I’m sure (sarc)
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:13am
- Ehlana
  
  Well, I can’t speak for the good people of Canterbury, but I anticipate going back to using public transport when it is no longer compulsory to wear a mask to do so.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:14am
  - Opie
    
    Just don’t wear a mask.
    
    It ends when we stand up for ourselves.
    
    If you let the bully keep bullying you they never stop.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:22am
  - krazykiwi
    
    If they just served food the bus would suddenly be safe. The tricky virus knows the difference between a bus, a bunnings and a cafe.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Coffee kills covid
      
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698499/
      
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8196824/
      
      https://www.healthshots.com/health-news/a-study-reveals-that-drinking-coffee-may-prevent-covid-19/
      
      etc, etc
      
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      June 9, 2022 8:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Refuse to wear the stupid nappy and see if they are prepared to throw you off. They won’t.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:08am
    - Opie
      
      I like going into shops and seeing which masked salesperson is not afraid of my unmasked appearance and will deal with me. Most don’t appear to give a shit and are happy to take your money.
      
      Yet we still see amoebas walking outside by themselves in 20 km/h winds with a mask on…
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:17am
  - Than
    
    As somebody who was using Christchurch buses as my main means of transport for most of last year, I can confirm that de facto there is no mask requirement. Technically the rule requiring masks is still in place, but there is absolutely zero enforcement, and only a minority of people wear them.
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:37am
  - Mummy
    
    Don’t wear one. Get an exemption. There wouldn’t be many people who couldn’t legitimately tick at least one box on the form. Public transport operators are not allowed to ask you about a mask. Retailers can, but they aren’t allowed to ask you why you are exempt. And you know what? The mask exemption is just a printed sign that says I am exempt from wearing a face covering. Although I believe that from 1 June they do have your name on them.
    
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    June 9, 2022 1:12pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      I dont know about other areas but in Tauranga area, many (including me) do not wear masks to supermarkets or at places like Bunnings/Mitre 10.
      
      Each week I see more and more maskless. All ages and ethnicities.
      I am presuming civil disobedience as none of the establishments question anyone.
      And other shoppers dont seems to care.
      
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      June 9, 2022 3:43pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I live in Christchurch and I play that game too. I rarely go out in peak hours because I work at home, so I guess there are more passengers then. But during the say and the weekends I have never seen more than 10 people on a bus. The cost per passenger must be horrendous.
  
  The thing is that for most people the barriers to using public transport are not the ticket prices. If it was free I would not use it.
  
  I saw an interesting study from Europe (I posted it here a few weeks back.) It found that if you make PT ‘free’ the people who take up the free buses are folk who previously walked and rode bikes. Which makes sense. For people on very low incomes, they can now get the bus instead of walking. But ‘free’ PT does not get people out of cars, UNLESS you also make the PT competitive with cars on journey time.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:29am
  - Hebe123
    
    I live up the hills BY, about 500m distance from the foot of the hill. The bus goes up my hill at the end of its run, does a loop round and comes back down. In 8 years I don’t believe I’ve ever seen more than one passenger on a bus.
    My small car going up this hill uses >20 l of petrol per 100km (doesn’t show beyond that) for the full distance. Hate to think what a bus uses.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:36am
  - Ehlana
    
    That makes sense Benedict. If you can afford a car, it’s not money that’s keeping you off public transport. Travel times and frequency become key. If the public transport journey takes three times as long, or missing one bus means waiting a long time for the next, people won’t use it.
    Unfortunately, we’re playing catch-up when it comes to building our public transport network.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:28am
    - alloytoo
      
      Buses and trains can never get you anywhere early.
      
      Mostly they are late and occasionally on time.
      
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      June 9, 2022 9:37am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Not sure about the journey time Ben, there are many of us that wouldn’t care as it would be distressing to have to travel with the great unwashed. If they had a 1st class or even a business cabin in the bus, it might be more acceptable……
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:29am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Ah, dunno. I’m about as anti-Green and sufficiently politically right to be only just tolerated in polite company … but I still think there’s a place for user-pays public transport, and .. I ride a bike too. That said, I am also looking forward to the upstairs in-flight bar on my Emirates flight in July 😉
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:32am
  - MCōs
    
    I was in Bangkok when the first Skytrain was opened.
    Maybe 25 years ago down Sukhumvit Rd. One of the most congested road in the galaxy.
    They were almost empty because people were too aloof to use public transport, even when the fares were slashed.
    Now in the rush hour the trains are just about as congested as roads below.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:30am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Yep MCos, Bangkok, where the police, when trying to direct traffic, wear masks attached to oxygen bottles!
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:32am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      and Bangkok is a horribly congest and densely populated City as you well know. Mass transport in large Eurasian Cities makes huge sense as the roading can’t cope. But in NZ most of our cities outside of Auckland don’t have the population base to support Greens and Central Planners wet dreams.
      
      Rail only works in Wellington because of topography with long urban cluster spreading from an urban hub in the Wellington CDB to Upper Hutt and Waikane. The choke points to get to the City from the Hutt and Porirua make rush hour driving a pain hence the trains popularity in Wellington for CBS workers…
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:34am
      - 103PapPap
        
        Rail works in the Hutt Valley and Porirua because these suburbs were built around the existing (and later extended) rail infrastructure.
        Conversely, it is VERY difficult to retro-fit public transport to existing towns that were NOT designed around public transport.
        
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        June 9, 2022 11:27am
    - krazykiwi
      
      “One of the most congested roads in the galaxy” … alongside Dong Khoi in Ho Chi Minh. Stunning compression of all manner of transport types, chaotically mixed together with few rules and, oddly, seemingly few accidents.
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:35am
      - kowtow
        
        kk
        
        Saigon.
        
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        June 9, 2022 10:53am
      - Alwynn
        
        @kowtow
        Do you still call the capital of Great Britain Londinium? After all, that was what it used to be called?
        
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        June 9, 2022 11:24am
      - MCōs
        
        Saigon was renamed Ho Chi Minh City in 1976. I flew there about twenty years later on a ‘visa run’ from Bangkok into the roughest international airport I’ve ever seen. About on a par with the regional terminal at Auckland Airport.
        The name Saigon was still in common use, a bit like Siam in Thailand.
        Curiously American currency was in common use, which was handy because the local dong was something like 22,000/$NZ1 and very difficult to figure out a quick conversion in your head.
        A lot of beggars with missing limbs. One that sticks in my mind was a boy, maybe 9yo carrying a baby that couldn’t support its head so that it flopped on its shoulder.
        I’d seen some grim stuff in Bangkok, but not like that.
        
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        June 9, 2022 11:45am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        After an experience like that with Vietnamese Dong in Saigon, no doubt you were very relieved to get back to a more familiar set of conditions in Bangkok.
        
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        June 9, 2022 12:38pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        @ Alwyn – that was the Roman name Latin language – the English name in English is shortened to London . But you already knew that.
        
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        June 9, 2022 1:23pm
      - kowtow
        
        allwyn
        
        ‘@kowtow
        Do you still call the capital of Great Britain Londinium? After all, that was what it used to be called?’
        
        A bit before my time so I never did call it Londonium , besides ,wot did the Romans ever do for us.
        
        Meanwhile I’m old enuff to remember it as Saigon and so it will remain , ‘sfar as I’m concerned .
        
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        June 9, 2022 3:59pm
- pdm
  
  Hastings buses are doing `pickups’ from houses on a trial basis from either this week or next week for a month I think. Just like a Taxi servvice (maybe) but with presumably 20 seater buses.
  
  Based on the promotions I have heard you phone in and order a bus and it will come straight away (dream on) and pick you up from your home. It will the meander all over town dropping people off as there are no set routes.
  
  I predict a fiasco with little patronage.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:10am
  - graham
    
    Sound similar to the Auckland-based “AT Local” service, a 12-month trial in Conifer Grove, Takaanini and Papakura. Not quite door to door. They refer to it as an on-demand ride-share service.
    
    https://at.govt.nz/bus-train-ferry/bus-services/at-local/
    
    Apparently there was a two-year trial in Devonport. It was heavily subsidised, never reached its target of 200 trips a day, and weekend services were dropped after 12 months to contain costs. Oh … and more than half of the people who used it switched from walking, getting the bus, or cycling. Only 43 percent switched from using their own cars to using, umm, someone else’s car or mini-van.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:38am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I Manchester about 30 years ago they had 20 seater buses and the driver was allowed to deviate from the route to drop people off with shopping etc.
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:52am
- Than
  
  Yep, this is just a fundamental flaws of public transit systems. And why (in contradiction to climate-cultist wet-dreams) they don’t actually help reduce carbon emissions.
  
  To be a practical form of transport that people can actually use, bus services need to be frequent and serve many destinations. If people have to wait half an hour or more at the bus stop, or walk 20 minutes to get to their final destination, they just aren’t going to use it. But to achieve that requires lots of routes, with lots of buses running on each. Which unavoidably means lots of buses driving around almost empty for most of the day… but still producing basically the same emissions as when they’re full in peak hours.
  
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  June 9, 2022 11:32am
Warren

Let me be clear the suggestion in this house that the tension between the Tribesman and the Killer Beez gangs is somehow to do with.aLabour Government.is patently wrong.
Do we have tensions in our Community right now? Yes but show me a area where we have watered download when we have done the opposite.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/07/gangs-nz-has-a-clear-escalation-at-the-moment-pm/
Halving incarceration to lower prison numbers is one because of your kind and caring policy, splash out hundreds of millions of dollars to gangs for rehab is another, letting Gangs run riot over taxpayers citizens on our roads is intimation and blatant incompetence while all you our Prime Minister does is blame others for your inability to stop criminals breaking our laws.
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June 9, 2022 8:19am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “… rather than political pot-shots that do nothing to keep …”
  
  Complaining about “political pot shots” seems to be her latest go to phrase! She really does have a staggering debating repertoire…
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Comms degree you know. All she can do is come up with childish slogans
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:30am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Imagine being surprised about the phenomenon of “political pot shots” in politics. They are inherent features of an adversarial system. It seems that she can be as politically divisive as she likes on a day to day basis, but we must all come together as one and take collective ownership of a problem when it is spiraling out of control.
    
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    June 9, 2022 12:46pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Political potshots are not to be compared to real potshots
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:41pm
- oldfella
  
  Warren, might finally be time to issue all cops with side arms. In the words of our Rachel: it won’t happen overnight, but it will happen.
  If innocent people – and especially kids – start dying on our streets from gang gun violence, a fully armed police force could be a hot-button issue at the next election.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:57am
  - Keith White
    
    A fully-armed police force will result in more Uvaldes and less gang-busting.
    
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    June 9, 2022 6:33pm
Pavel

Looks like stuff is requiring some more government cash. Never thought I’d see the day they criticize the government.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300608557/the-damage-done-by-our-covid-response
https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128892965/jacinda-ardern-from-triumph-overseas-to-endofempire-at-home
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June 9, 2022 8:20am
- Frank Hematuria
  
  He got in just the right amount of slavering about Ardern’s charisma and being a “great world leader” to avoid the “please explain” call from the Hill. (Anybody who describes her in those terms cannot be expecting to be taken seriously, surely?).
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:01am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Any “triumph overseas” is entirely a figment of the imagination of those still invested in promoting the propaganda i.e. her bloated ~~Communications Team~~ coterie of PR people and spinners.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:14am
- ClanMcleod
  
  This paragraph from the article sums up Ardern’s disastrous time in power.
  
  “The tragic school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, during her trip also meant career-highlight successes were foregrounded, in particular the decisive action to ban semi-automatic weapons following the Christchurch terrorist attack.”
  
  Considering the daily drive by shootings currently happening, how the hell can her removing guns be considered a success?? If that is her greatest achievement then how do you describe the rest of the shit show she has implemented?
  What a joke.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:18am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  I never thought I’d see the day that they mentioned the Roy Morgan poll (2nd link).
  
  Mind you, comments remain closed of course.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda is doing the signing all wrong – needs to watch the person next to her.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:33am
Tomtoddy

Interesting differences between China and the USA. China is increasing its naval fleet by over 100 including aircraft carriers, destroyers, submarines etc. Large scale, war ready ships. It is already the world’s largest navy.

USA’s top priority is converting its amphibious fleet to electric vehicles. In a report just released Navy Secretary Del Toro writes that climate is “the focal point” for his tenure as Navy Secretary, and notes that both President Biden and Defense Secretary Austin share that view. The Navy Department, Del Toro writes, will be an “environmental leader” that takes “bold climate action.”

Taiwanese may want to consider packing up and leaving. Waiting for American naval craft to arrive to help may be a vain hope. They will be sitting down at the charging station.
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- fightingtemeraire
  
  Tomtoddy
  
  The PLAN is in the same position that the German High Seas Fleet was in 1914. They had a huge fleet but it didn’t have to stray far from home waters.
  
  Therefore the living conditions for the crew were not important as they could use barracks when ashore.
  
  The Officers had no fighting experience or command of large fleets,
  
  The USN is in the same position as the RN at that time. They have a huge area to police, their ships have to be habitable for the crews over a long period of time and the crews need periods of leave from operating at a reasonably high tempo for a long period of time.
  
  Also now unlike the RN in 1914 the USN has a huge number of powerful allies ie the Japanese, the RN and other countries that can help.
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:54am
  - Keith White
    
    Well, the USN has trans-admirals and maternity flight suits now so they will be unstoppable.
    
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    June 9, 2022 6:34pm
- virtualmark
  
  Where is it said that that is the USA’s top priority?
  
  AFAIK the US Navy’s current procurement priorities are (a) bringing the Gerald Ford class carriers into service, (b) bringing the next-generation of ballistic missile subs into service, (c) looking at UCAVs, UUCVs, loyal wingmen, swarming etc and (d) directed weapons such as lasers for defence against drones, swarming etc.
  
  Strategically, the US military has a lot of interest in moving away from fossil fuels because they see them as a big operational & logistical vulnerability. So they’re looking into emerging technologies to, for example, make jet fuel from sea water so that their carrier groups are more independent and not vulnerable to having their tankers sunk.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:52am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “make jet fuel from sea water”
    
    Intriguing. I’m across methyl hydrates (methane clathrate), but guessing that’s not it. What is the theory here?
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:24am
    - virtualmark
      
      https://www.zmescience.com/research/us-navy-synthetic-jet-fuel-seawater-0423432/
      
      https://www.nrl.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2565403/fueling-the-fleet-navy-looks-to-the-seas/
      
      https://www.nrl.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2529712/nrl-seawater-carbon-capture-process-receives-us-patent/
      
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      June 9, 2022 12:16pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        The first article points out the economics look unlikely unless you ignore the cost of the ship and its nuclear power plant that run it.
        
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        June 9, 2022 1:31pm
      - virtualmark
        
        You need to think of the economics in terms of (a) you already have a nuclear reactor that gives you almost unlimited electrical power, so the marginal cost of electricity is zero, ( b) the delivered cost of jet fuel to a carrier at sea is a lot higher than to say LAX, and (c) the military value of not being vulnerable to a long supply chain is huge.
        
        In other words, the US Navy thinks about jet fuel quite differently to how an airline thinks about it.
        
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        June 9, 2022 6:25pm
  - My
    
    ‘make jet fuel from sea water’ a brilliant initiative. Power the US military and solve rising sea levels. Greens heads spinning. Lets do this.
    
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    June 9, 2022 12:04pm
Taieri

Living in the Parallel Universe or The Weird and Wonderful World of Cycling:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/cyclists’-situation-‘insane’
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June 9, 2022 8:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a clown.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dark clothes and helmet. Idiot. At least he had a small front lamp
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:39am
  - graham
    
    When I go cycling, I’m wearing fluro everything, two front lamps, and three rear lamps. And cycling with dogs? How on earth did he think that was a good idea?
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:48am
- Bridgenag
  
  Roads are for cars ,trucks etc ……. Bikes STAY OFF THE ROAD
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Nope , that prick is cycling on a footpath.
    
    He belongs on the road .
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:12am
  - Alwynn
    
    But he is staying off the road.
    He, along with his slavering pack of wolves is riding on the footpath isn’t he?
    There is a comment in that story that everyone has been run down by a car. I’ve never had that happen to me. I have been knocked over twice by speeding cyclists on the footpath at Oriental Bay in Wellington. One of them was while I was on crutches. I got abused by the bloody cyclist for not getting out of his way on that occasion.
    If I hadn’t been on the crutches and barely able to walk I would have picked his bike up and tossed it over the seawall into the harbour.
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:37am
- krazykiwi
  
  This is nothing to do with cycling, and everything to do with a moron being left in charge of a bike. I feel sorry for the dogs having to put him with him.
  
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  June 9, 2022 11:26am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Geez, he needs a sled not a bike.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:24pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    He should have left the huskies in Canada.
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:44pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Alaska, they would go well in the “Iditarod”
      
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      June 10, 2022 9:28am
- Hebe123
  
  To be fair….if he can cycle with 7 huskies they must be impeccably well behaved dogs, thus not something that should affect his safety or you should denigrate him for.
  
  The article also says his clothes were damaged so it is by no means certain that he was wearing black when hit.
  
  The driver was clearly at fault.
  
  I wouldn’t do it (my dogs would shoot off after a cat or go the wrong way around a lamppost) but I don’t see why he shouldn’t or why he should be mocked for it.
  
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  June 9, 2022 3:50pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Huskies are actually very obedient dogs – and very handsome & strong dogs as well.
    
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    June 9, 2022 8:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Great day for shopping in Sydney today…. not too hot and Sun shining.

Tomorrow looks good, too.

https://www.nbr.co.nz/pm-and-finance-minister-travelling-to-australia-this-week/
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June 9, 2022 8:48am
- Flossie
  
  I wonder where the best op shops are over there?
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Redfern – Blue Spinach
    https://bluespinach.com.au/
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:57am
- cas
  
  Don’t tell me Kelvin’s in charge!!!!!!!
  
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  June 9, 2022 11:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bwhahahaha, must rush home snd watch Nicola question the silly old fool, Chipkins is not there either bizarrely
    
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    June 9, 2022 1:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Enjoy!
  
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  June 9, 2022 3:44pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm..

Anyone else catch Auckland Police District Commander Karyn Malthus on telly, saying….. “they were treating theft of the details of more than 400 firearms owners as a ‘learning-curve’

SHEESH!!
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June 9, 2022 8:52am
- G152
  
  Robbing the cops.
  Goes to show how the mighty have fallen
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:03am
- pdm
  
  Maggie – well Poto did say during Question Time yesterday that it was an accident.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, and the looney aspect is that if a gun toting gangster invades a firearm owner’s house and demands he opens the gun safe there is little that can be done. If you are armed you call the shots.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “How are we meant to trust Poto Williams with an entire firearms register when she’s already failing to look after licensed firearm owners’ information?” Asks ACT’s Justice spokesperson Nicole McKee.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2206/S00064/gun-register-a-shopping-list-for-criminals.htm
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:26am
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, I caught it and my reaction was that surely, she must be a token promotion copper. If she wasn’t a female, she would never have been promoted.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:22am
- alex Masterley
  
  Leaving that sort of information unsecured in the (now) old Central Police Stattion is nothing short of gross negligence. Heads should roll. Starting preferably with the Minister.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner was just saying if you walk up the ramp to the Main Entrance of the old CPS….there is nothing more than a crumpled piece of A4 paper taped to the glass door:
    
    AUCKLAND CENTRAL POLICE
    are now located at
    13-15 COLLEGE HILL
    FREEMANS BAY.
    
    And that’s it! The building is both abandoned and insecure.
    LOL!!
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:08am
    - Ehlana
      
      That’s incredible. Actually, the whole thing is quite unbelievable. Surely to goodness, if you are going to move a police station, you would have a checklist of sensitive information that must be moved securely, you would double check that had happened and any papers no longer required would be securely collected and destroyed.
      
      By the way, did anyone else not know the Police station had moved?
      
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      June 9, 2022 3:26pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yeah – the crims.
        
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        June 9, 2022 4:09pm
- Ron Jeremy
  
  Is not the first time . When we originally gave back guns with the buy back the system was hacked and names , addresses compromised had a call saying the data had been hacked back then .Just had ph call that we are on the Auckland one as well so that’s twice the data has got out. Why would you tell the police what guns you have at home when potentially it’s a shopping list for gangs.
  
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  June 9, 2022 12:12pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I saw that interview. KM sounded exactly like Officer O’Leary from Wgtn Paranormal. A case of life imitating art?
  
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  June 9, 2022 3:59pm
Master Mariner

First Interview with German Ex Chancellor Merkel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ0CkIavY6M&t=512s
The thing that strikes me is that she had too much personal confidence in Putin as opposed to Germany / EU as a whole.
Is this a case where personalities get in the way of common sense and a Germany’s Strategic’s best interest put 2nd ? Along with EU.
The next question is how much is NZ Foreign Policy commanded by Personalities and not best Interest ?
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June 9, 2022 9:04am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Remember when the German politicians all laughed at Trump when he said they were creating a major risk by putting so much reliance on Russian oil?
  
  They’re politicians, they only care about their personal power.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump was right again? How strange…..
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:45am
- mandk
  
  Not surprising really.
  
  They were both Soviet-era commies.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:00am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep and throw in Shroder before Merkel and their Zealous over dependancy on renewables and the Green new deal.
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:41am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Mother Merkel was a Leftist – she grew up loving Russia in the former East Germany. Connect the dots.
  
  Her reign was highlighted by selling out German Geo-Strategic and NAtional interest (Mass immigration, Gas from Russia, Shutting down Nuclear power plants)
  
  Worst Chancellor in German history who hasn’t taken them to a devastating war – and that is saying something
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:39am
  - kowtow
    
    At the height of the anti Trump hysteria the Media Pardy had the cheek to declare she was the leader of the free world.
    
    More agenda driven insanity.
    
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    June 9, 2022 12:33pm
Libertarians are right

So a nutjob tried to murder Brett Kavanaugh last night. What a surprise.

Surely Chuck Schumer’s threat was a lot worse than anything Trump said regarding the “insurrection”?
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June 9, 2022 9:14am
- virtualmark
  
  Seems it was a right-wing nut job. Apparently he was riled up because the Supreme Court was going to take guns away.
  
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  June 9, 2022 9:55am
  - leoj
    
    Proof?
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:21am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    What????
    From California? He explicitly said it was over Abortion rights and worries that the Supreme Court were going to weaken gun controls.
    Where did you get your info from?
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:47am
  - RightNow
    
    Lol, you’re talking out of an orifice not normally associated with verbal communication. Typical lefty.
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:55am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Christ – is there no limit to your fanatical hatred of the American Right and your slobbering defence of that ambulatory root vegetable in the White House.
    
    FFS, it used to be possible to have decent debates with you on matters American but TDS has unhinged you.
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:57am
  - virtualmark
    
    I got that from the initial news reports. Since then the later reports have said he was motivated by the Roe vs Wade abortion question.
    
    Even now the stories seem quite confused. Some stories say he was arrested by marshals outside Kavanaugh’s house as he got out of a taxi. Others say that he called 911 himself and basically dobbed himself in.
    
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    June 9, 2022 12:19pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      So the initial news reports were fake news wish reporting. What a surprise.
      
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      June 9, 2022 12:57pm
      - Batman
        
        A lesson for all when it comes to unfounded speculation I guess!
        
        Someone travelling that far do evidently murder someone is clearly not well.
        
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        June 9, 2022 2:10pm
  - virtualmark
    
    For sure that guy didn’t seem to have a plan. Everyone knows that if you want to draw Brett Kavanaugh out then you just need to leave a keg of beer on his front lawn.
    
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    June 9, 2022 12:20pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Guys, I think we should know by now that VM is an ignorant moron and nothing he says is correct.
    “Roske, a 26-year-old white man, had a Glock 17 pistol, ammunition, a knife, zip ties, pepper spray, duct tape, and other items that he told police he would use to break into Kavanaugh’s house and kill him, according to a criminal complaint and affidavit filed in federal court in Maryland. Roske said he purchased the gun specifically to kill Kavanaugh and that he also planned to then kill himself, according to the affidavit written by FBI agent Ian Montijo, who also interviewed Roske early Wednesday after he had confessed his plan to police.”
    “olice said they searched the bag and suitcase that Roske showed up with and found two magazines and ammunition to go along with the suspect’s freshly purchased pistol, a pistol light, a black tactical chest rig, a tactical knife, and pepper spray. He also had on him what seemed to be likely burglary tools, including a hammer, screwdriver, nail punch, crowbar, and hiking boots with padding on the outside of the soles. Roske also had zip ties and duct tape.”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/nicholas-john-roske-brett-kavanaugh-attempted-murder
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:56pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Oh, stay classy Red. As I said, the early news reports had different and confused details. So my first post on this was wrong, but not intentionally wrong.
      
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      June 9, 2022 6:27pm
Philview

Another ODT editorial attacking Boris Johnson. The ODT has surely devoted more editorial space to him than any NZ politician in recent years. Perhaps an editorial on Nanaia Mahuta’s nepotism would be of interest to readers or the hypocrisy of Jacinda Ardern. Hypocrisy based on her discussions in the US on gun control when Auckland has more nightly gun battles than Kiev at this time. Her claims to protect democracy while she heads a government that is vigorously undermining it.
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June 9, 2022 9:22am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention a ridiculous , partisan attck on farming , full of hyperbole.
  
  ‘During the past few decades we have wrought the most massive changes to New Zealand’s environment since fire was used to burn forests and clear land many centuries ago.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/real-cost-dairy
  
  Misinformation , disinformation and certainly very “foreign” look to it.
  
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  June 9, 2022 11:01am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Oooooo! ‘Many centuries ago’. Is that an implied criticism of Maori? Or just evidence that journos are bad with numbers?
    
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    June 9, 2022 6:47pm
  - MCōs
    
    Don’t get any hyperbole on this forum
    
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    June 9, 2022 10:17pm
- Paulus
  
  At least Dr Ardern’s father appears to have been replaced in his Pacific Island job last week.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:33pm
Biscuit

I see it’s not just Jacinda who likes making announcements about impending announcements:

‘IRFU [The folk who run Ireland Rugby] confirm touring squad of NZ to be confirmed Wednesday 15th of June’
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June 9, 2022 9:41am
- Paulus
  
  Trevor (the great Rugby playing Speaker) will be pleased to get to know some of the great people he is going to live with as our Ambassador to Ireland.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets…

‘ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING!
This is what happens when the media constantly dehumanizes White people with endless conspiracy theories about the evils of Colonialism and ‘White Privilege’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/CatNamedEric/status/1534445933387210752
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June 9, 2022 9:43am
- Opie
  
  Imagine if a white guy beat the shit out of a black woman like that…
  
  The world would riot for weeks.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:27am
- JimBobJoe
  
  That guy should get an attempted murder charge – stomping a defenseless woman in the head, that could easily kill. What an absolute piece of trash – deserves to go inside for rest of life. No excuses for that type of shit.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is a cheaper way, costs about 60 cents
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:01am
Master Mariner

Total incompitence of Ports of Auckland and Board members.
https://www.interest.co.nz/business/116269/auckland-port-has-ditched-troubled-six-year-project-automate-its-container-terminal
In a nutshell no Shipping companies are not going to come if you can not get your cranes / container carriers working.

“Based on the analysis and options available, the Board had determined that it is in the best interests of the company, its people, customers, and shareholder to discontinue the current automation project and return the Fergusson Container Terminal to a fully manual operation.”
over 140 million on shippers/exporters in congestion charges alone.
I mean how simple is that.?
People wonder about Inflation and costs.
Another Council run fiasco that know no bounds
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June 9, 2022 10:03am
- Ehlana
  
  How common and successful are automated ports overseas Master Mariner?
  
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  June 9, 2022 12:03pm
  - greybeard
    
    https://sinay.ai/en/top-10-smart-ports-around-the-world/
    
    This may help.
    
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    June 9, 2022 12:30pm
- Paulus
  
  Well played the Maritime Unions and the City Council under Goff.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:36pm
- Sparrow
  
  Have a look at the background of the previous and present directors and CEO’s. Yes some have worked for shipping lines and logistic (how I hate that word it use to be transport until it was tarted up and split into different compartments consultants love that s…) companies. As lawyers abd accountants none in the operational area. The Directors are directors of many companies they are professional seat warmers. Auckland only handles about 700000 teus annually which is miniscule. It was an exercise to reduce labour costs. I believe I am right but can be corrected the terminal now works 2 x 12 hour shifts instead of the previous 3x8hour shifts. I wonder if this has impacted on productivity? Also many years ago the terminal and the port had many vastly experienced ex seafarers working for them.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:52pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Get in Maersk or DP Ports to run the place under contract.
  
  Get rid of the Wharfies Union.
  
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  June 9, 2022 2:05pm
Inandout

‘San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin lost his recall election Tuesday night and had to step down from his position’.

Apparently this guy was so far left he actually sided with violent offenders and San Fran became a modern day Dodge City, absolutely lawless.
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June 9, 2022 10:08am
- leoj
  
  ….to be replaced by another leftist whack-job.
  That’s California for you.
  The state is beyond help.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:22am
- kowtow
  
  “His parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were Weather Underground members. When Boudin was 14 months old, both were arrested and convicted of murder for their role as getaway car drivers in the 1981 Brink’s robbery in Rockland County, New York.[10] His mother was sentenced to 20 years to life and his father to 75 years to life for the felony murders of two police officers and a security guard.”
  
  wiki
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:41am
- virtualmark
  
  This is an excellent well-written background to San Francisco’s local politics … https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/how-san-francisco-became-failed-city/661199/
  
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  June 9, 2022 12:22pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I’m sure its all the fault of those Republicans
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    June 9, 2022 3:52pm
Tony Stuart

Did anyone see the extraordinary piece on 1News last night of Trevor Mallard pushing his way past reporters in Parliament, and refusing to answer questions in select committee?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/08/trevor-mallard-fronts-over-parliament-protest-trespass-notices/

He’s in grave danger of becoming, pardon the pun, a completely lame duck Speaker, and he’s an albatross around the neck of the Prime Minister. He’s now without doubt the worst Speaker in my lifetime.
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June 9, 2022 10:22am
- Opie
  
  Whats amazing is that it’s making the news.
  
  Seems the narrative is turning
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:28am
- oldfella
  
  Tony, I’m curious about why 1News has done anti-Mallard stories two nights in a row?
  BTW, when is Luxon going to address the 3Waters elephant in the room – handing over our water to iwi control through co-governance?
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He doesn’t have to FFS, it will be dropped when he becomes pm
    
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    June 9, 2022 1:24pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      My guess id that the 50% will be “dropped” to some lesser number.
      
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      June 9, 2022 5:01pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  An albatross around the neck Tony? Just compliments the concrete blocks that are already there in the form of Mahuta, Woods, Robertson, Little, Parker, Davis et al and the rocks that are in her head……
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:35am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Trev the Muscle should be left in the Speakers chair as long as possible – and National should find ways to highlight his arrogance and thuggery constantly. The stench will eventually permeate outside of parliaments precinct
  
  He has classic little man disease….
  
  I wonder if the Listener is covering his actions in its political columns??? Smile Jane – Trev is an beta, pretending to be an alpha, that you love…..
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:47am
- mandk
  
  Mallard exhibits an extraordinary amount of hubris, although his conduct is distinctly ungodly.
  
  I don’t think he is in danger from the PM, however.
  
  He is too useful in protecting her and other government Ministers in the House.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:56am
- Paulus
  
  Dr Ardern does not care as long as Mallard continues to support her in Parlaiment.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:37pm
- david
  
  There is some lovely footage in that report that could be woven into the narrative of bullying, not listening, failure to respond, nastiness, lack of kindness etc etc. visually alone it was a shocker.
  
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  June 9, 2022 4:53pm
Maggie Pie

How concerned are you?

YOUR households share of the Government’s Debt is now $73,188.49….

and counting 🙁

https://www.debtclock.nz/
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June 9, 2022 10:32am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  People with any money will not be concerned at all Maggie, as they will have restructured their affairs to avoid any of the crap that this Government has, and will end up doing to the country. Hopefully, it will only the be the people that voted for Labour that will suffer. You get what you vote for.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:39am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    You’re kidding yourself. When it all comes crashing down, everyone will be in dire straits.
    
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    June 9, 2022 1:13pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Soon it will be worth more than my house. Not too worry I have Kiwisaver//
  Whoops, Looks like the Government uses Kiwisaver to (re)balance the books.
  What could go wrong //
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not sarc. Robertson has had his eyes on Kiwisaver for a long time. Looking for ways to get at it without anyone realising
    
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    June 9, 2022 11:13am
- MCōs
  
  Anti government types have been saying stuff like that since forever.
  
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  June 9, 2022 10:21pm
kowtow

We were told we had to lockdown to “save” the health system.

But the health “system” is itself in critical condition .

‘Dunedin Hospital was in crisis last night after all planned surgery yesterday was cancelled due to severe staff shortages.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/health/swamped-hospital-cancels-surgery
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June 9, 2022 11:10am
- Prince
  
  The unanswered question – where has all the $ Billions gone in the last 5 years ?
  Consultants ? Mahutas ? Head Office ?
  
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  June 9, 2022 7:10pm
Surely Knott

Politics, Power, Money, Control , and Modelling.

Kauri Modelling
NZ Herald 2017: Kauri Dieback : “Kauri in Piha will likely be extinct in 5 years.” That’s next year! False. Kauri are thriving in Piha and Waitakere which a quick car trip, bush walk, or google maps search will confirm. We can see this because it was a 5 year prediction.

Covid Modelling. This week the government announced the number of vaccinated was wrong. It was only based on those who had engaged with the health system. The doom predictions didn’t eventuate. And the vaccine didn’t create herd immunity. But we could see this in real time once the borders opened and the virus struck we could see the vaccine didn’t stop spread and that you weren’t going to end up on a ventilator.

And now governments turn back to Climate Change and ask us to knee cap our businesses and economy based on modelling that is arguably much more difficult to do accurately than modelling a virus happening in a short time frame. How sure are we that the modelling is right or even close. The covid modelling was well out.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waitakere-ranges-may-close-in-last-ditch-effort-to-save-kauri-trees/4T5VW5KK4FXITXQV6YEQARGGME/
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June 9, 2022 11:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

John Tamihere back in charge of Maori Party.

He’s Rawiri Waititi’s father-in-law and both have previously been Leader of the Maori Party

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300609222/john-tamihere-replaces-che-wilson-as-mori-party-president
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June 9, 2022 11:24am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Was Che going Trotskyite instead of Stalinist…?
  
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  June 9, 2022 11:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na, I think he’s pretty much a capitalist these days.
    
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    June 9, 2022 1:27pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Another but oof Maori nepotism
  
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  June 9, 2022 2:02pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Clearly Rawhiti passed the ‘no white m’f*car’ test, then
  
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  June 9, 2022 7:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden. American families are carrying less debt.
https://www.facebook.com/courtneyglattli/videos/720795779044799/
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June 9, 2022 11:24am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Well, at least in Biden’s memory they are…..
  
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  June 9, 2022 11:57am
  - david
    
    Don’t you know that a goldfish has a memory span of only …..?
    
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    June 9, 2022 4:56pm
Surely Knott

The governments set up a task force to research extremism. Prof. Spoonley said ““We have more than enough evidence to demonstrate at this point, that there are those in this country who subscribe to political subcultures and ideologies that are deeply, deeply toxic.

“The rise and rise of online vitriol and conspiracies represents a significant threat to our political process, and the safety of our communities.”

I wonder if this is what he meant.

New rap video from the Killer Beez on instagram starts with them driving along in their gang jackets shooting someone in a van. Surprised this meets instagrams standards.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUBRuazB1uS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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June 9, 2022 11:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Monkeypox test. Get ready.
https://www.facebook.com/heatherdave.walton/posts/10226955188882368
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June 9, 2022 11:39am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Extraordinary that gay men have not learned from their past
  
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  June 9, 2022 7:06pm
Maggie Pie

I was just thinking, will Arthur Easton’s death in South Auckland, now fall into the same category as that of the death of Remuera resident Pauline Polkinghorne…..’unexplained’?

Just saying.
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June 9, 2022 11:45am
- Ehlana
  
  Well, if there wasn’t a proper investigation in 1985 you have to wonder what chance there is of being able to get a conviction of anyone now. Especially given the responsible party could have left the country, or died, in the intervening years.
  
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  June 9, 2022 12:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well according to 1EWES, a witness statement that was withheld from the jury described….. ‘a powerfully built 6-foot Maori fleeing from the scene’.
    
    At least they’ve got something to go on.
    
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    June 9, 2022 12:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The cops had a suspect/name, back in 1985.
      
      One officer contacted Bruce anonymously saying some police were concerned Hall had been “set up” and the real killer – whose name they believed they knew – had got away with it because those in charge needed a quick result.
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2779008/Group-asks-for-murder-case-review
      
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      June 9, 2022 1:32pm
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June 9, 2022 11:50am
ClanMcleod

Billy Gates apparently has seen the light re covid fatality. He didn’t see it coming apparently. Body language expert says he’s telling porkies apparently. 2 minute video, worth checking out.

https://t.me/robinmg/20296
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June 9, 2022 12:15pm
- cmm
  
  I have ten times more reason to hate Bill Gates than anyone else on Kiwiblog, but I think this is a stretch.
  
  Sure, he feels guilty and is expressing that, but feeling guilty does not necessarily means he knows.
  
  The thing is that Gates believes himself to be a visionary and a futurist. Failing to predict the future would make him squirm.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:54pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGmf5w8-Hoc

Matt King Visits Christchurch – Tuesday May 17th.

Question and answer section from Matt’s recent visit to Christchurch, from McFaddens centre, St Albans. [This is a bit old. I guess some might be interested though. 26:04]
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June 9, 2022 12:24pm
curry4me

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping

Electric Car Blues.

I thought it would be fun.
That’s what I told my friend Mack when I asked her to drive with me from New Orleans to Chicago and back in an electric car.
I’d made long road trips before, surviving popped tires, blown headlights and shredded wheel-well liners in my 2008 Volkswagen Jetta. I figured driving the brand-new Kia EV6 I’d rented would be a piece of cake. [Well, it was a piece of something. Just not cake.]
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June 9, 2022 12:24pm
Maggie Pie

We haven’t heard a peep out of the MP-for-Tijuana in the last 3 months.

Today I see he’s back in The House with a question for the Min. of Immigration:
“Does the government support inclusive polices for immigrants with disabilities?”

I’m sure there must be other people like my partner who wish he’d just phuq-off!
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June 9, 2022 12:29pm
- Nickc2
  
  It was reported on the radio yesterday that he vehemently disagreed with the deal made between James Shaw and Farmers.
  Maybe James Shaw will be replaced with a woman who identifies as ………. (choose your alphabet letter) as Co-Leader of the Greens.
  
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  June 9, 2022 12:41pm
- kowtow
  
  Immigrants with disabilities .
  
  Not meant to be allowed in if you’re a “burden” on the tax payer.
  
  How did he do it ?
  
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  June 9, 2022 12:42pm
- Swifty
  
  The MP for Tijuana should be asked:
  
  “Does the member support the pockets of NZ families being raided for more and more healthcare for foreign nationals and who may well have not paid any tax in NZ ever?
  
  If so, why?
  
  Does he see New Zealanders as a bottomless bucket of money for the welfare of foreign nationals?
  
  In these constrained times are there any or no limits to the increasing burdens and costs he wants to place on hard-working NZ families and our health system?”
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:00pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The MP for Tijuana should be deported back to Mexico tomorrow, along with his boyfriend.
    He is not needed here.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:19pm
- cmm
  
  What a daft question.
  Of course the government does not support inclusive
  policies for immigrants with disabilities. It never has and, probably, never will.
  People immigrating to NZ need to be in reasonable health so as to not be a burden to the taxpayer. There have been numerous people turned away with various disabilities.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    My dear cmm, you possibly haven’t caught up with the latest developments in this area.
    
    Immigration policies which we’ve understood for decades to have been fair and reasonable are now “bordering on eugenics”, “discriminatory”, “a nightmare”, “a breach of UN conventions” and “a breach of the rights of free movement…”
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/09/15/bordering-on-eugenics-greens-want-to-see-immigration-policy-scrapped/
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128077325/government-wont-review-discriminatory-immigration-policy-towards-disabled-people
    
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/08/02/dr-liz-gordon-eugenics-in-new-zealand-immigration-policy/
    
    We’re just suckers and a bottomless bucket for the left’s social justice whims.
    
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    June 9, 2022 1:34pm
    - cmm
      
      Does this also apply to the fat South African lady who was kicked out?
      
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      June 9, 2022 3:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        Good question.
        
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        June 9, 2022 3:38pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Perhaps he’s been on his annual hols to Mexico.
  
  Or maybe he’s separated from his previous partner so as to bring another one in as part of his crusade to import [add your own descriptor].
  
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  June 9, 2022 7:10pm
Jack5

Harder times arriving for the banksters?

Share prices have fallen for the big Australian banks, which own the major banks in NZ.

Westpac shares fell 6 per cent yesterday, and CBA, which owns NZ’s ASB, fell 4.4 per cent.

The Australian Financial Review says the share price falls reflect fears that rising mortgage rates will lead to a spike in bad debts and higher funding costs.
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June 9, 2022 12:34pm
- Nickc2
  
  Am I surprised? No, not in the least. I warned several months ago that NZ’s Realestate Market would soon be flooded with mortgagee sales as banks try to recover bad debt.
  
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  June 9, 2022 12:45pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sigh, we are a long way from that happening.
    In 2011 we had 10%+ rates and the Banks were very sensible about not dumping property through Mtgee sales.
    Unlike is 87/88. They have learnt from that.
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:48pm
    - Jack5
      
      That’s not completely right, All-on-Red. I know of at least one case where a bank foreclosed on a family home in 1987.
      
      There might not have been mortgagee auctions, but in the case I know of, the bank used a private detective to serve the final papers.
      
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      June 9, 2022 5:00pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Sorry, I gave you an uptick by mistake.
      We don’t own our banks and the Aussies are quite entitled to recoup their money before other lenders whom our Govt borrowed from in an attempt to claim theirs. We’re in shit street financially. despite what the taxpayer-supported MSM tells you.
      Does a debt of $175k per man. woman and child in NZ prove my point?
      
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      June 9, 2022 6:31pm
- Paulus
  
  That means that the Aussie Banks parents will want a greater dividend and charges from New Zealand.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:41pm
cmm

A violent Tongan man was sentenced for deliberately running over someone.

How does the woke Herald describe him in their banner? An SUV driver!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/sandringham-hit-and-run-clive-vakalahi-sentenced-for-pedestrians-injuries/2OEGWMI7FHLBQC6TOGZMW5DLQM/
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June 9, 2022 1:07pm
- Nickc2
  
  Embellishing the Govt anti SUV line. Who would have guessed?
  If he had done it on a bicycle, what would the headline be? Personally, I don’t think it would make the news.
  
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  June 9, 2022 1:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Full marks to his Defense Team for originality anyway….
  
  His lawyer gave one of the reasons for Clive’s actions….’was because he was born with a Club-Foot and had a chip-on-his-shoulder becos of it’.
  
  Sure beats the old chestnut of being high-on-meth or not being breast-fed.
  
  LOL!!!!
  
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  June 9, 2022 2:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Is Clive a common name in Tonga?
  
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  June 9, 2022 7:12pm
JimBobJoe

A little background on the Man shot in Newlands a few days ago…

A bunch of comments from his close friend sypher bound

https://jaunbaba.com/man-shot-by-wellington-police-turned-to-gang-life-after-childhood-in-state-care/

Gangsters – King Cobras….. If you Facebook search for: sypher bound… you will find a profile with a few posts, one of which is a pistol on a red bandana …

Sigh it is just getting worse and St Jacinda says it is not.

Time for all these gangsters to move next do to the PM and behave as they normally do… might adjust her attitude…
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June 9, 2022 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

You’ll get a larf out of this 😀 😀 😀

Hilarious dig at Cindy’s ….”Department-of-Truth”

https://youtu.be/zECxiX03qrk
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June 9, 2022 1:50pm
- cmm
  
  It’s not lying… it’s truth management.
  
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  June 9, 2022 2:00pm
Jack5

The ultra-liberal Immigration and Protection Tribunal has signalled that New Zealand is an open safehaven for the world’s bisexuals.

The tribunal has granted refugee status to an Indian bisexual man who says he was persecuted in his home town.

The tribunal obviously didn’t consider that the man might have found a safe spot in another town in India.

The tribunal’s signal, to India alone, is alarming in its ramifications.

India’s population is about 1.406 billion. Some estimates are that about 1 per cent of a population is bisexual with a ratio of about 108 males to 104 females.

That would mean there are about 146 million bisexual males in India.

Wait till they hear NZ is a bolt hole for them.

And less than 20 per cent of the world’s people – and presumably bisexuals — live in India. So a message for 750 million male bisexuals: the doors to NZ are open.

The Herald’s report:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bi-sexual-man-granted-asylum-in-new-zealand-for-persecution-in-india-over-sexual-preference/2K7G2CQ4JYKI3ONIFVBA2FZ7FI/
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June 9, 2022 3:03pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops, slipped up on a decimal point in the muster of male bisexuals.
  
  Should be 14.6 million in India, not 146 million, and 75 million world wide, not 750 million.
  
  Sorry about that, but 75 million would still be a headache for Housing NZ.
  
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  June 9, 2022 4:57pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Sigh. 1% of 1.46 billion is not 146 million. That is TEN %!
  
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  June 9, 2022 5:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What is F*******wrong with our left-wing politicians?

How can an an objective of having 70 per cent of school students at school regularly by 2024 and 75 per cent by 2026 be something to aim for?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/truancy-crisis-government-sets-attendance-targets-as-it-launches-new-strategy-to-get-kids-to-school/CL7PYWN7VRES3BZXCQI73AZVWA/

Do these folks NOT realise that a decent education is the means by which many kids get a chance to rise out of the gutter?

Why is this Government prepared to leave 25-40% of our children with an inadequate education?
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June 9, 2022 3:06pm
- cmm
  
  … and have you seen their definition of “regularly”?
  Wag a day a fortnight and you’re still getting a gold star for regular attendance.
  
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  June 9, 2022 3:11pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  A glance through any Kiwiblog thread should convince anyone that an inadequate education has been the norm in New Zealand for decades, at least.
  
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  June 9, 2022 3:24pm
  - Swifty
    
    That’s an especially dick comment even from you Mike.
    
    What is even the point of it? Does it give you some sort of thrill to deliberately insult us all in this way? Does it make you feel ‘dangerous’?
    
    You’re obviously going through a rough patch at the moment – want to talk about it?
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:36pm
    - Batman
      
      Now, now, ladies, no handbags please. (Sorry to the ladies present, with or without handbags).
      
      Mike should be a bit less pointed and people should learn to not take it so personally!
      
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      June 9, 2022 4:06pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Grant Robertson pulls this kind of crap in parliament so his acolytes think it’s ok.
        
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        June 9, 2022 4:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh Swifty, don’t be so defensive. Kiwiblog is an entertainment forum: posters and commenters here shouldn’t harbour dangerous illusions that there is much good sense present. It’s just joking around.
      
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      June 9, 2022 5:07pm
  - cmm
    
    What is the point of your life?
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:44pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s a great question, one at the centre of much philosophy and all religion. I can only expresses my regret that I am utterly unequipped to address, let alone answer, such a question.
      
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      June 9, 2022 5:12pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    What a smarmy arsehole
    
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    June 9, 2022 3:44pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Thank you for your feedback.
      
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      June 9, 2022 5:09pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You do write a lot of trash.
    
    The rest of us certainly haven’t been tainted by the brainwashing you probably consider adequate education despite most of us being “highly educated”.
    
    In fact, I’m educated enough to not be thought of as “a bit thick” by your mate Grant Robertson.
    
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    June 9, 2022 4:06pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m glad that you consider yourself to be educated ‘enough’. Who would want to be educated too little or too much?
      
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      June 9, 2022 5:08pm
- cmm
  
  PS: Maggy, do you not realise that they want them kept in the gutter?
  
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  June 9, 2022 3:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes.
    
    I realised that when:
    
    1. Universities charged full fees
    2. When my nieces & nephew couldn’t attend their local high School (which their father, uncle and I had attended) but were bused across W(h)anganui to failing colleges.
    3. When another nephew didn’t attend school from age 6-12 (and no-one seemed to notice until he committed a crime)
    4. When night schools stopped teaching classes that lead to qualifications
    5. When Polytechs took over decent apprenticeships
    6. When youth rates disappeared (and 15-16 year olds lost their after-school jobs)
    
    and when I went teaching and met some teachers who didn’t give a stuff about their kids.
    
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    June 9, 2022 4:08pm
    - fernglas
      
      A quick look at UK stats suggests that the percentage of pupils missing 10% or more of their days in school is 12.1%. In Australia it is 25%. New Zealand is currently 40%. Third world here we come.
      
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      June 9, 2022 5:21pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maggy – if they make Te Reo compulsory in schools, Nanaia herself will round up every last one of the truants and ensure that the recalcitrant parents of those who wag, have the book thrown at them…
  
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  June 9, 2022 4:11pm
- kowtow
  
  Another consequence of their unconsidered , panicked and pointless lockdowns.
  
  These truants are tomorrow’s prison muster . not to mention the victims they’ll create along the way.
  
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  June 9, 2022 4:22pm
  - greybeard
    
    Nothing to do with lockdowns.
    Everything to do with a couple of decades of :
    1. No physical chastisement of little rotters is allowed.
    2. The traditional family of father / mother / kids has been destroyed.
    3. Almost total removal of religious teachings everywhere.
    4. Country-wide normalisation of patently obvious non-normal behaviours and ideas: yes, there IS such a thing as “normal”.
    5. So-called “rights” of children now supercede any rights of the rest of society to expect good behaviour, manners, respect and discipline.
    
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    June 9, 2022 6:31pm
    - kowtow
      
      “Nothing to do with lockdowns.’
      
      Plenty to do with .
      
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      June 9, 2022 6:55pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I cannot believe that (I assume) a sane, rational political leadership don’t regard this as an existential crisis worse than war. It’s certainly orders of magnitude more impactful than covid or climate or race relations or any of the other comparatively irrelevant political hobby horses that media and polis drone on about.
  
  It pressages nothing less than the end of NZ as a functional democracy and first world nation, In a decade or two this huge pool of uneducated kids will be functionally unemployable (made worse by march of automation technology), and will tip us over the precipice to being New Venezueland. When the number of welfare dependant voters nears 50% the end is inevitable.
  
  It is probably too late even now, with a few hundred thousand kids already doomed to shitty adult lives, but unless it is fixed immediately with a massive effort to end the crappy parenting and welfare dependency that is creating it, the only rational course of action is to emigrate before the economy and democracy is wrecked by the nascent zombie army of miserable drop-outs. In short it demands a revolution, with effective action, not fucking ‘kind’ announcements or bullshit woke programs that just ensure the same malignant business as usual failed education/welfare system staggers on towards the abyss that lies before us.
  
  And it is on the heads of all politicians who have been in govt over the last 2 decades as it has developed, but particularly the left with their ineffectual infantile ‘kind’ approach enabling those who choose to be a drain on the country and it’s future. They are mocking the meat they feed on – ensuring that these poor dumb left voting idiots will have shitty lives.
  
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  June 9, 2022 5:15pm
Maggie Pie

Took a little bit of time-out from household duties earlier and laid back to watch a bit of telly.
Flicked between ‘My-600lb-Life’ and ‘Question Time’.
Don’t know who the boring old git was filling in as ‘Acting Speaker’….but he’s not a patch on Trevor.
When Trevs in the Chair, the tension in the Chamber is palpable!!
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June 9, 2022 4:06pm
Bobba Fret

Just about to go for a shower as I had a look over on The Standard website for a laugh. Saw this comment and had to share:

“Loved it!
Our damned fine Minister of Police, in response to a sarcastic question from little David, as to how she would characterise her comment to bully boy Mercenary Mitchell as ‘riding shot-gun with the boys,’ she replied as pretty accurate!
Slap down!
Poto is another one of many fine Labour Government ministers.”

How can anyone seriously believe Poto is a “fine” minister. They are not even being sarcastic, they are serious!
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June 9, 2022 4:11pm
- greybeard
  
  I would have thought that you needed a shower AFTER looking at The Standard website.
  
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  June 9, 2022 6:21pm
ClanMcleod

Now why would the head of a pharmaceutical company need a fraudulent vaccine pass? Surely he can get a staff discount for his shots? Surely he should be doing a Brenda and getting his shots on TV to encourage the plebs? Surely his jabs are “safe and effective”?
🙈🙈🙈

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/06/08/president-of-large-pharmaceutical-company-and-leading-doctor-among-2200-famous-people-caught-falsifying-vaccine-passports/
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June 9, 2022 4:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chris Baillie on Labour’s miserable truancy goal

What about the other 30 per cent? Is this really the best the $366 million worth of bureaucrats at Ministry of Education is capable of?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2206/S00075/government-gets-a-not-achieved-for-truancy-goal.htm
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June 9, 2022 4:41pm
Sparrow

It was not the Union who made the decision to automate the container terminal operation but management and directors. As I understand it the problem was the software hardly anything to do with the Union. Worked in this and allied industry in management all my working life and most problems are due to poor management. People jump on the anti Union bandwagon too easily without knowing the facts.
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June 9, 2022 4:52pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Was at sea on the NZ Coast from 74 to 92 and the management was CRAP.
  
  The Unions just took them for a ride.
  
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