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Benedict Yu

This is very bad.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128823378/independent-review-finds-pharmac-needs-to-substantially-improve

I heard the “independent reviewer” being interviewed on radio yesterday. An absolute incomprehensible train wreck. You can listen here.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/sue-chetwin-pharmac-has-got-to-set-up-a-proper-framework-for-considering-equity/

If you direct Pharmac to prioritise Maori access to medicines, by definition that means less access for non Maori. The reviewer denied this but resorted to a word salad that was, well, incomprehensible.

Pharmac is an excellent model. IMO it needs more money. A couple of years ago I analysed the budgets of Pharmac and its Australian equivalent. The Australian agency has DOUBLE Pharmac’s budget, adjusted for population. Also Australians pay a much higher copayment for their prescriptions, which stretches the public funding much further. In Australia, the patient copaymrnt is capped at $42, compared to $5 in New Zealand. (There is a safety net for folk who are prescribed lots of drugs and for those on low incomes.)

The poor access New Zealanders have to drugs compared to Australia is down to money. It is that simple.
There is no shortage of shockingly stupid spending that could be cut to finance a funding increase for Pharmac.

I guess it was only a matter of time before Andrew Little wrecked Pharmac. For years, people have been crying about access to medicines here compared to Australia. We can either accept that, or give pharmac more money. There is no other solution.

A probable outcome is that the competent people who work at Pharmac will leave, to be replaced with socialist Maori health advocates.
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June 2, 2022 8:02am
- kowtow
  
  ‘There is no shortage of shockingly stupid spending that could be cut to finance a funding increase for Pharmac.’
  
  Pleiades for starters.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Australia is a much wealthier country. Asking NZ to spend a much as Australia per capita on medicines is like asking Greece or Kazakhstan to match NZ’s spending,
  Even John Key quickly abandoned the ‘catching up with Australia’ slogan.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Australia has a GDP per capita 30 percent higher than New Zealand. Maybe we can reduce the pharmac gap to 30 percent?
    
    Anyway you are missing the point.
    
    BTW it was Don Brash that wrote the report on how to close the gap with Australia. His recommendations were spot on.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:19am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      He’s not missing the point, he’s deliberately avoiding it. The is his modus operandi.
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:23am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Mike deliberately misinterpreting your comment to make a negative reply fitting the narrative he wants to push. Again.
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:32am
      - Swifty
        
        He’s doing that more and more lately.
        
        I do hope he’s alright.
        
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        June 2, 2022 8:48am
      - David Garrett
        
        In vino: He is not outlining any “narrative”; he is a self confessed proud troll, and that all he does here, troll morning noon and night.
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:01pm
    - westernScientist
      
      could probably scrape a good chuck of that pharmac difference by abandoning a portion of the current race based funding for just about anything. OR we could get rid of paying the media, that would be a good start.
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:45am
    - Swifty
      
      The NZ Labour Party could close that gap overnight if they wished to. Heavens, there are lots of lower priority areas which they happily fund every year.
      
      They choose not to.
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:47am
      - nathie
        
        Exactly, Labour could fix Pharmac many times over with the amount of money they waste on other non-productive pet projects.
        
        But true to form Pharmac is now being blamed as true to form dirty old Labour issues a demeaning phrase (to deflect) that has caught the MSM’s attention and flicking around the radio stations this morning the MSM like lapdogs have lapped up Andrew Little’s pathetic phrase and are barely acknowledging that underfunding of Pharmac is the main issue here.
        
        And no doubt to include a “race based” funding criteria would mean Labour trumpeting they are providing new funding to Pharmac (otherwise if not new then cutting the existing funding cake) ….. but not for medicines, but instead for consultants, more media comms people and new staff hired specifically to sit around thinking up how now to spend the money.
        
        If this happens this will be another example of Labour increasing unproductive spending!
        
        (If Labour wanted to effect meaningful change apart from increasing the budget more they could ask Pharmac with their existing setup to divert some funding towards those that are vulnerable and low income, not on the colour of one’s skin)!
        
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        June 2, 2022 9:21am
      - Hebe123
        
        so Nathie – are you suggesting that people who are vulnerable and low income should get access to drugs that the rest of us can’t?
        
        That is so wrong. Just as bad as doing it on skin colour.
        
        The low income or high needs people already get their prescription charges capped while everyone else pays $5 per script (unless the pharmacy wears the cost like Countdown). The thought that someone who doesn’t work should get cancer drugs that workers can’t access ….mental.
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      NZ is manufacturing less and less, that means less exports, therefore GDP (that thing that Jaspinda does not know)
      Farmers (dairy, beef, lamb, wool, even lumber) are in the crosshairs of the Labour Govt all the time.
      They have no fucking idea what a golden egg is.
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:22am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Labour know all about golden eggs. It’s the goose’s contribution bit that they’re oblivious to.
        
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        June 2, 2022 7:44pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      I am surprised that Yu bro is even responding to Milkmaid sorry Mikeandmild.
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike is a dick, but sometimes not a dick. He posts some very knowledgeable comments and gets an uptick.
        Dare I say that I have learned a few things from him, or will that swell his head?
        Mike loves “attention” good or bad.
        
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        June 2, 2022 3:02pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Milky, yes Aust is a wealthier country per capita, but why? Other than digging up their desert for coal, iron ore and other minerals, there is no clear reason. Aust is layered with more levels of govt than NZ. Other than Aust productivity per person being higher, what?
    
    It comes down to the spending priorities of NZ govts that have been broken for decades and hence successive NZ govts have not had the money to spend in key areas of health and education. Resulting in Pharmac never has the money it should, and fatuous debates about needing separate racial divides in health, education and any other manner of public policy spend.
    
    Instead of saying other countries are wealthier, may be Kiwis and our governments need to learn why we can’t afford what should be a key public spending priority.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Australia also exports shitloads of natural gas and LNG. I think they are the World’s largest exporters.
      See that Jaspinda? You fucked NZ fuels
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:39am
      - Jack5
        
        Well pointed out, Steve.
        
        Ardern ended our exploration for more gas and oil. All indications were that there were good resources of gas, and similarly our coalfields contain plenty of gas, as the Pike River blast showed.
        
        While Australia earns heaps from its coal exports, too, New Zealand has, hypnotised by the crazy Greens, has stifled its coal industry to the point, This is to the astonishing point that shiploads of coal are imported from Indonesia to burn in an electricity generator plant that sits on top of a coalfield.
        
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        June 2, 2022 12:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Edit (to my 12.23 post): ….New Zealand, hypnotised by the crazy Greens, has stifled its coal industry to the astonishing point that shiploads …
        
        My apologies!
        
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        June 2, 2022 12:31pm
  - artemisia
    
    Australia is rich in resources under the ground.
    
    So is New Zealand, and also under the sea. Are we drilling?
    
    An example. A New Zealand company has expanded its mining overseas as not allowed to do so here. So the rare earth elements (not to mention low cadmium phosphate) known to be in the Chatham Rise are staying there, while the company has taken the advice of the Finance Minister to ‘look elsewhere’. It did.
    
    More info at the below link, including current pricing for REEs.
    
    http://www.nzx.com/announcements/393083
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:31am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Zealandia is a continent & has continental resources.
      
      It’s a small continent, as continents go, but it’s ours.
      
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      June 2, 2022 7:48pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    NZ is poor relative to Australia because of too many years of vote-yourself-rich left wing govts punishing business with all sorts of regulatory imposts for having the temerity to try and make money. In pandering to anti-everything left, deluded civil servants and bludger vote they are responsible for massive increases in beneficiary numbers, rapidly collapsing educational outcomes, sharp increases in crime and gangs, and escalating loss of our most productive through brain drain.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:37am
  - westernScientist
    
    we waste so much money on other sh*t. We can afford it, New Zealand voters just choose not to. They choose to subsidise all sorts of wasteful spending rather than pharmac.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:46am
    - Hebe123
      
      NZ voters do? you mean 40% of NZ voters do?
      
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      June 2, 2022 9:12am
      - Jim
        
        Heard a (older female) caller on the radio praising the work Ardern is doing. When asked specifically for examples, she replied: “ohh I’m not really political, but she just looks like she’s doing a good job”
        
        Lord help us, with voters having such low definition intellect.
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sad isn’t it Jim? Not political my left tit.
        Another one of Labour’s plants I reckon.
        “but she just looks like she’s doing a good job” Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Labour would never stoop so low as to call a Radio Station to further the Marxist message?
        Take it to the Bank – they can go way lower than that!
        
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        June 2, 2022 3:09pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    No, John Key did not abandon catching up with Australia. In fact during his time as PM, the gap closed from about 30% to 25%. Five years of Labour has opened it upon again.
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:06am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I agree Australia has much bigger economy to fund its health system but it has a correspondingly larger population to service. I’m sure it’s not that simple but surely it’s a factor. Wouldn’t it be more informative if we benchmarked spend per person?
    
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    June 2, 2022 2:48pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  And of course Little released the report on the day he knew the lead story of the day would be the PM’s meeting with Joe Biden. Cynical politics much?
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:09am
  - I remember when
    
    The Little Pharmac report.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:41am
- RockyJ
  
  It is bad. Health funding is a zero sum game. There is never enough money and if you increase here you must take away there.
  The crap will hit the fan when some non Maori dies for want of a treatment that is freely available to Maori.
  Just hope it is not one of your relatives
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:11am
  - Hebe123
    
    but the crap won’t hit the fan. We are wrong and evil colonisers. We should just pay and pay and pay and the special people should just take and be entitled.
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:15am
  - GJM
    
    Already happening. Want free flu vax – better notbean evil whitie then , because they ahve to pay. Islandersand Maori don’t, even if they are millionaires. no reason given why of course
    
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    June 2, 2022 2:49pm
- pdm
  
  By – I think I heard the same interview – Sue Chetwin.
  
  She sure had swallowed the co governance koolaid in big doses.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:19am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    An ex-journo|editor considered light-weight as a Director|Leader. But obviously flavour du jour for Ardern.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:36am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think they already do for some Diabetes drugs.
  
  If you are a non-Maori for some specific medications you have to be in fact (prove you are) much more unwell to get them funded than if you are are Maori.
  
  The goal post are lower but the disease and the outcomes are the same……
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:23am
  - oldfella
    
    Blog-aholic: if you are non-Maori, can you simple claim Maori heritage to get the drug? Would your word as to your ancestry be enough? Or would you be asked to prove it? (Good luck with that slippery slope.)
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:12am
    - Phronesis
      
      You can indeed claim maori heritage at any time. In fact your GP will be happy to record you as maori as they are paid 2-3 times as much for maori patients as for everyone else.
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:49am
- Swifty
  
  A poor interview – if Sue Chetwin is happy to see such racial discrimination in our health system you’d think she could at least come up with an argument to support it, however flimsy.
  
  But no.
  
  Interesting too that Pacific people have health outcomes so out of kilter with the rest of the population that they apparently are deserving of race-based special treatment.
  
  Why is this? What is it about Pacific people that they merit this favouritism over the rest of us?
  
  Seems to me that this smacks of rewarding bad behaviours.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:27am
  - Nickc2
    
    wrt the Pacific Islanders, if we don’t do it, the Chinese will and that’s what this Govt’s scared of.
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:46am
- DimChappie
  
  BY, thanks for this, what I heard was Pharmac will be forced to consider “equitable outcomes” for Maori/Pacifica/disabled in its decision making. Another layer of complexity and discrimination in how it spends its inadequate budget. It is utterly racist and will lead to more whitey suffering and death. Wait till we see the results of the other health “reforms.” I expect Maori to be bumped ahead of others for tests and operations, perhaps openly.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    TRENDING
    A smoke signal is currently being sent from National Party HQ:
    ADDRESS;
    To all non-Maori and non-Pacific Islanders in NZ.
    TEXT;
    Normal medical business in NZ will resume for all NZers immediately after the next election;
    ENDS
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:55am
    - mawm
      
      Nick – will it??? I can’t see the blob disagreeing with it let alone having the fortitude to take it on.
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:03pm
      - Nickc2
        
        If he doesn’t, I believe there’s a very capable candidate standing in the Tauranga bi-election who could replace him at very short notice.
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:23pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      ENDS the chance of National winning
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:54pm
  - oldfella
    
    Dim: will Whitey now be pushed to the back of the health bus?
    This ever-widening racial segregation push by Labour will end in tears.
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:15am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I think the proponents of race-based favouritism mistake significant public silence on the matter for acceptance of the favouritism. The case for acceptance has never been artiuclated, because it doesn’t exist. They have been bullied, quilt-tripped and scared into keeping their heads down.
      
      As some others have mentioned, wait until there are some actual concrete negative consequences flowing from racial favouritism for some dim-witted middle-class White Ardern sycophant. They’ll quickly become acquainted with reality. If National had either the balls or the will to lay out the scary future for White New Zealanders in a system of racial discrimination against them, and heavily and unequivocally repudiate the policies, they’d easily top 50% at the election.
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Votes are all that matters atm
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:47am
    - kowtow
      
      Yer but there’s more Honkey voters ………
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:15pm
  - Philview
    
    Equitable outcomes is a neo marxist term but I am not sure how it can be applied to allocation of medicine unless Little plans to allow Iwi a finance cut on sale of medicine.
    
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    June 2, 2022 1:09pm
    - Ehlana
      
      “Equitable outcomes” usually means something that sounds reasonable. If Group A is 12% of the population, they should be only 12% of the people in jail/unemployed/dying of cancer X.
      
      Unfortunately, if Group A as children make up 20% of those who live in benefit dependent, single parent households and are in contact with Police/welfare agencies before age 5, then it is quite likely they will also make up 20% of those in jail/unemployed/dying of cancer X.
      
      The outcome is inequitable, yes, but is that the fault of the Courts, employers or health system?
      
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      June 2, 2022 2:28pm
      - Hebe123
        
        That would be the fault of group As parents.
        
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        June 2, 2022 5:47pm
- Prince
  
  Andrew Little said more than he intended when he admitted ‘the days of the independent republic of Pharmac are over.’
  From now on Pharmac, like the Media, will dance to the Government’s tune. Decision-making will lie with the Minister, and funding will be reliant on Pharmac toeing the line. Pharmac will be as independent as this Review, headed by long-time Leftie Sue Chetwin.
  This is just another destruction of a system that was world-class.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:02am
  - Inandout
    
    Prince, I was unaware Sue Chetwin found a job in Pharmac after she departed Consumer. That latter organisation was almost brought to its knees by Sue’s climate fixation and politicising a once proud publication.
    
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    June 2, 2022 1:32pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Benedict,
  
  For a change I entirely agree with you. The Herald, quoting the review, said that Pharmac was prioritising cancer drugs for urbanites ahead of Maori and Pacifica.
  
  The whole review was a con job. The only solution is more money. Anything else in the review was nonsense.
  
  The TV news had a number of advocates who said they would now get more cancer and other specialist drugs. In fact the review said the exact opposite.
  
  By the way, what actually is urban cancer? A hitherto unknown cancer?
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:03am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “For a change I entirely agree with you. ”
    
    Thanks Wayne. That makes my day :-).
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:14am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      I agree with you too Benedict, I was shouting words at the radio during the interview that are unrepeatable on DPF’s blog.
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:37am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    BTW on the cancer thing… one example is Keytruda. It is funded to treat aggressive breast cancer. It can also be used to treat lung cancer. But it is not funded for that.
    
    Maori get more lung cancer than non Maori. For an obvious reason. So I think the folk you quote are using code for “Pharmac pays for breast cancer for rich white woman in urban areas, while Maori in Northland get lung cancer and die.”
    
    So presumably, there will be more money to treat lung cancer in Maori folk. Or they could stop smoking.
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:18am
    - oldfella
      
      BY: I’m waiting for Maori doctor, Shane Reti, to condemn this medical racism.
      Or am I hoping for too much?
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:18am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Why is a Maori needed to call it out? Do Maori need to give the OK to Whitey before something is denoted racist. It’s racist simpliciter, we don’t need to check with the tangata whenua before we say so.
        
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        June 2, 2022 12:15pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Problem with Keytruda is that it is not a cure -just a treatment that staves off the time of death for maybe up to 5 years. It is expensive – something ike $200k per year I think.
      
      Pharmac (AFAIK) generally funds drugs on the basis of “qualys” – cost of entire treatment divided by years of quality existence from the treatment. Drug companies hate them. It was Christmas for them when Key told Pharmac to fund Herceptin out of their current budget.
      
      The cancer drugs generally would not meet any sort of qualy standard as they are humungously expensive and don’t cure anything.
      
      If we want to see Pharmac ditch qualys then we have to expect drug costs to multiply – not only from the expensive cancer drugs, but across the board. If that’s what it takes, then I guess that’s what it takes ….
      
      Go figure
      
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      June 2, 2022 1:52pm
      - Hebe123
        
        …and if the cancer is self inflicted as most lung cancers are, and the patient continues to smoke, then not many qalys!
        
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        June 2, 2022 5:49pm
- Grizz
  
  You hit the nail on the head re redistribution of funding. The health service is full of bureaucrats siphoning off money into reports and vanity projects. To improve inequities in Maori health we do not need dual health service or racially selective criteria for certain medications, such as in some diabetic meds. What we need to is to cut the fat up the chain and provide more resources, both human and funding to those providing care at the coal face.
  
  If we had a dual health service, it would still need to be delivered by the same people that are currently working now. What exactly is going to change? Less health care overall as we will now have to fund 2 administrations.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:14am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Too much fat in the (health service) diet is bad for (taxpayers) your health
    
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    June 2, 2022 7:53pm
- Aunty
  
  Pharmac has been doing a very poor job for many years. And those of us who understand this whole area have been saying that for years and pushing for review and change.
  
  Some of its decisions around the drugs it chooses to fund or not to fund are just incomprehensible and go against the medical literature.
  
  Andrew Little’s reference to Pharmac as the Independent Republic of Pharmac is dead on the money. And its lack of transparency and accountability around how it makes its decisions are legendary. It’s been an enormous source of frustration and concern for patients and clinicians for years.
  
  And I agree with Shane Reti, who said that the current team at Phramac may not be the right team for Pharmac. In other words, a polite way of saying that heads need to roll and those responsible for Pharmac’s issues need to be shown the door.
  
  And for those who are upset about the race-based comments and what it means for Phramac and our access to medicines in the future, just remember this. There are no Maori diseases or Pasifica diseases, everything they get New Zealanders get them too. So we will all benefit.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:27am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Don’t worry Benedict – any anomalies will be resolved through aotearoa’s new sophisticated democratic process (equitableness is assured)
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:08am
- Loddenthinks
  
  My goodness what a train wreck of an interview. You could tell Chetwin was dreading it from the vey first word out of her mouth. The way she said “Hi” was like someone stepping into the Principal’s office to receive their caning, which HDPA gave her.
  
  I guess you can either find someone with a brain to conduct and lead a proper independent enquiry, or someone who will simply repeat the government’s line and talking points, but not both.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I thought it was Pharmacs job to buy the drugs. Why the hell would they dictate who can take them, Ghez this country is on the slippery slope, and fools want to split their vote because Nats sane, Nats have said there will not be any services on race, end of.
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:00pm
- backster
  
  “A probable outcome is that the competent people who work at Pharmac will leave, to be replaced with socialist Maori health advocates”
  
  Nanaia may be able to find some experts among her close family members who could provide replacements.
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:38pm
krazykiwi

There have been few novel twists as the Safe and Effective™ narrative has unravelled: Pfizer et al continue to engage in dodgy
practices including unblinding trials, faking trial data, removing adverse reaction sufferers from trial cohorts, and more. Same old, same old.

But this new revelation is a masterstroke of manipulative malfeasance. In contracting the supply of mRNA injectable products, one would assume Pfizer would do so with a federal health body like NIH or even the CDC. That would make sense. But no, Pfizer entered a federal vaccine supply arrangement with the US Department of Defense under their Other Transaction Authority, effectively a scrutiny firewall for top secret ‘skunk works’ projects.

In September 2021, therefore, Jackson contacted the British Medical Journal, supplying a cache of documentary evidence including photos and recordings. The BMJ commissioned a freelance investigative journalist, Paul Thacker, who had previously investigated financial ties between Big Pharma and physicians for the US Senate Finance Committee, to examine the evidence. His report was published in November 2021. On February 10 this year, the Jackson case was unsealed by the court, including 400 pages of exhibits, and the suit was allowed to proceed.

Pfizer, however, has filed a motion to have the case dismissed on the grounds that it was not subject to clinical trial regulations, nor federal laws, regarding its vaccine development and marketing, because its ‘vaccine contract with the US Department of Defense (DoD) was executed under the department’s Other Transaction Authority’. To the uninitiated, the notion that a pharmaceutical company contracts with a Ministry of Defence as opposed to a Ministry of Health for the domestic supply of drugs for the civilian population is incomprehensible.

The social and ethical contract between the public and the agencies supposedly charged with protecting us from existential threats appears to be irredeemably broken. Where are the courageous leaders needed to confront this?
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- ClanMcleod
  
  Pfizer are a corrupt, criminal organisation. Many in NZ are under the delusion that Medsafe “tested” the vaccines before declaring it “safe and effective” for use among all groups in NZ. Medsafe tested NOTHING. Medsafe took corrupt data provided by a corrupt organisation and used that data to impose this crap onto the general public.
  It got worse. Even though Pfizer’s data – (freely available for anyone to read if they wanted to) – stated clearly that the experimental drug hadn’t been tested on pregnant, immune compromised, frail and elderly etc – these were the groups targeted most to take this jab. That is gross ineptitude, at the very least. It warrants serious investigation and potentially criminal charges being brought. With clear evidence available that these groups had NOT been part of the fraudulent trials, Medsafe actively promoted it to these very groups.
  Dark times.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:18am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Many in NZ are under the delusion that Medsafe CM “tested” the vaccines before declaring it “safe and effective” for use among all groups in NZ. Medsafe tested NOTHING.
    
    Not really, They were used as a delay tactic due to NO supply in the country.
    
    Otherwise in full agreeance.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:29am
    - RockyJ
      
      I wondered about that delay. To be honest Medsafe never said they were doing testing.
      So what were they waiting for? The US and Australia had approved Pfizer. Could they not have just read their research?
      Or maybe Medsafe still rely on snail mail. That could be it.
      
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      June 2, 2022 9:30am
      - Master Mariner
        
        RJ “So what were they waiting for?”
        To be purchased and arrive into the country for distribution.
        Nothing more, Nothing Less.
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It only arrives after somebody orders it. Who is that somebody?
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:54am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      “Safe and Effective” is simply a marketing slogan, in the same way that “I’m lovin’ it” and “Have a break, have a Kit Kat” are. It’s just as unscientific too.
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:19pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I posted this on Kiwiblog many months ago, a link to the Pfizer Risk Management Plan, sourced from the Medsafe, website which clearly admits that their product was not tested on vulnerable groups.
        
        The document clearly states that:
        
        there were “important identified risks” (including myocarditis and pericarditis).
        
        there were “important potential risks” specifically Vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED) including vaccine associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD).
        
        there was “missing information” listed as:
        
        Use in pregnancy and while breast feeding
        Use in immunocompromised patients
        Use in frail patients with co-morbidities (eg, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), diabetes, chronic neurological disease,
        cardiovascular disorders)
        Use in patients with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders
        Interaction with other vaccines
        Long term safety data
        
        https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
        
        Yet Medsafe not only approved it, they campaigned to prioritise getting the crap into the arms of those vulnerable people listed above. Even though their own document clearly stated they had no information on the potential outcomes. Based on this one document alone it is impossible for them to claim that the product was “safe and effective” or “tested and approved”.
        Factor in that Pfizer are the most corrupt corporation on the planet and it is clear that Medsafe either are guilty of negligence on an unimaginable scale, or there was corruption on an unimaginable scale. Either way, it was medical malfeasance of the worst kind.
        “First do no harm” is the basic tenet of medicine. It certainly didn’t happen in this case.
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:53pm
  - bennerg
    
    Sadly the evidence that is coming out over what some may call crimes, is sidelined by the MSM.
    
    But ultimately it will.
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:42am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    I hope the efficacy of WuVaxes deprecates over time and hasn’t got lots of little nasty timebombs in it
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:40am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Nothing says “Safe and Effective” like Pfizer’s failed attempts to bury the trial data for 75 years. Lol.
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:21pm
  - mawm
    
    Clan – Medsafe doesn’t do trials, but what they should be doing is reviewing the data from Pfizer to ensure that the trials were done properly, the results were reported properly (honestly) and that the drugs were safe and effective. Essentially Medsafe has one job and that is to protect the public of New Zealand from harm.
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:22pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      mawm – check out my post above re the Risk Management Plan I was able to find on the Medsafe website almost a year ago. It is clear information from Pfizer that there were potential problems (which are now eventuating). If they reviewed this information then the public should have been advised of these potential problems, and the vulnerable groups listed above in particular should have been told that there was no safety data available.
      
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      June 2, 2022 1:57pm
  - Jim
    
    Medsafe are too small and inexperienced to even consider questioning the decisions of the FDA or even the manufacturer (Pfizer in this case). Simply copycat rubber stamping happening at Medsafe, which means any error by the manufacturer and/or the FDA will simply be passed on.
    Agree with MM reply above, the illusion of due diligence being performed at Medsafe simply offered a cover for the supply chain delays.
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:52pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Fair call, but I think that most NZers are under the illusion that Medsafe actually check these things before the crap is released to them. Many would be surprised if they found out it was a rubber stamping exercise and many more would have been less likely to take the stupid jab.
      
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      June 2, 2022 1:59pm
      - Jim
        
        A good analogy is the CAA (NZ) conducting a ‘type acceptance’ approval for a FAA certified design, for a new aircraft type to be accepted on the NZ aircraft register (e.g Boeing 787).
        CAA (NZ) have a department for this purpose, but to think it’s capacity and professional capability will perform ‘real’ due diligence to an FAA approved design is somewhat laughable.
        More likely a relatively simplistic check that the necessary certifications are in order.
        
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        June 2, 2022 4:23pm
- bennerg
  
  This is deliberate and cynical malfeasance, typical of a company that has already been fined an eye-watering US$2 BILLION in 2009 far similar fraudulent marketing ploys.
  
  Time for us to wake up to the con job inflicted upon us.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:40am
- Matt Long
  
  I think maybe Trump enabled this with his lightspeed plan to get a vaccine to market. At the time commentators were saying getting a coronavirus vaccine within a decade was going to be a hard ask because no effective safe coronavirus vaccine had been created.
  Time has shown the commentators to be correct and Pfizer et al be expert confidence tricksters.
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Warp speed
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:02pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Thanks, I knew I didn’t have it quite right.
      
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      June 2, 2022 4:14pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yet the hypocrisy was watching the Democrats ridiculing Trump and clearly saying nobody should get a vaccine produced so rapidly, yet a year later it was those same corrupt bastards forcing people to take the shit.
    
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    June 2, 2022 2:01pm
- Pavel
  
  I’ve read many times that using fines as a measure Pzifer is the most corrupt company in the world. They are continuously involved in legal battles regarding the lies they produce and results they fudge. How on earth did the world suddenly think they were not, and spend billions of dollars with them on an unproven treatment is really hard to fathom. Anything they do or make should be scrutinized 100%. To put blind faith in them is moronic to say the least. Its almost on par with a company like Monsanto saying its OK to out roundup in the water supply. Pzifer are not a company to be trusted in any way.
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:07am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Or the tobacco industry telling us smoking was good for us. Or the chemical industry gleefully advertising “DDT is good for me!”.
    
    http://whale.to/c/20292742_678230472383479_998144670701903802_n.jpg
    
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Sgbx7q7q5qU/Uvdw55ppsXI/AAAAAAAAGb0/qNCB9DuOa9A/s1600/Colax.jpg
    
    Follow the money. Every time.
    
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    June 2, 2022 2:05pm
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Happy International Sex Workers Day!
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June 2, 2022 8:02am
- bjools
  
  Are Ardern and Helen Clark celebrating?
  After all, they both fucked a whole country and man did it cost.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:05am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    I think you will find that there are more than two people responsible for the fifty-year relative decline of NZ versus countries we would like to be compared with.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:11am
    - pdm
      
      Very true Mikey – I will add Cullen and Robertson to the list.
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:29am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Muldoon?
        
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        June 2, 2022 5:52pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      I don’t consider it a decline mike, my wealth goes up stratospherically each time a Labour Govt get in.
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:41am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        So does mine. That’s what these Lefty activists don’t understand. I don’t like Labour and the Greens because of the damage they do to the poor (and especially Maori). I personally am better off under them.
        
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        June 2, 2022 9:33am
      - artemisia
        
        Same here IVV.
        
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        June 2, 2022 9:40am
      - Paulus
        
        Me too – Under the Lange G0vernment – the Clark Government and now Dr Ardern’s Government I have net unencumbered assetts vastly more than we budgetted for over many years but all the same – Go Labvour.
        The Aussies are in for the usual spend spend to bankruptsy as many of the new MPs are women dedicted to saving the planet both Labour and the wealthy Teal Independent women.
        How long will it be before their surplus will be all spent and their 2.8% growth reduces.
        They do not need advice from out Doctor either.
        Alby – good luck, enjoy the honeymoon while you can.
        
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        June 2, 2022 11:25am
    - westernScientist
      
      not sure why stating the obvious got so many downticks….
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He collects them. Does screensavers all the time.
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:57am
  - Nickc2
    
    What the eff was Clark doing at Davos (the annual WEF briefing)? Did she attend on Cindy’s behalf?
    Has the MSM interviewed Clark yet in order to provide us peasants with a heads up on our Govt’s Marxist taskings for the next year in order to hasten a One World Govt outcome?
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Did she attend on Cindy’s behalf?
      
      No.
      
      She attended in her capacity as Board Chair, Partnership for Maternal, Newborn & Child Health, World Health Organization (WHO)
      
      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/helen-clark
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:22am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Not exactly MW,
        
        https://imageholder.org/world-economic-forum-helen-clark-wants-to-use-covid-19-mandates-to-force-changes-onto-people/
        You Are Here: Home » Categories » Organizations » World Economic Forum » World Economic Forum Helen Clark Wants To Use Covid 19 Mandates To Force Changes Onto People
        World Economic Forum Helen Clark Wants To Use Covid 19 Mandates To Force Changes Onto People
        Post Updated: May 27, 2022
        
        “On May 23, 2022 at the World Economic Forum in Davos, philanthropist Helen Clark suggested we need to use Covid 19 mandates to force people to accept the changes we need to make to the world.”
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:28am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Not exactly MW,
        
        https://imageholder.org/world-economic-forum-helen-clark-wants-to-use-covid-19-mandates-to-force-changes-onto-people/
        
        Forum Helen Clark Wants To Use Covid 19 Mandates To Force Changes Onto People
        World Economic Forum Helen Clark Wants To Use Covid 19 Mandates To Force Changes Onto People
        
        Post Updated: May 27, 2022
        
        “On May 23, 2022 at the World Economic Forum in Davos, philanthropist Helen Clark suggested we need to use Covid 19 mandates to force people to accept the changes we need to make to the world.”
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:29am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        So, just another disinterested party who simply wants the best for everybody.
        
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        June 2, 2022 12:24pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Master Mariner @ 10:28AM
        On May 23, 2022 at the World Economic Forum in Davos, philanthropist Helen Clark suggested we need to use Covid 19 mandates to force people to accept the changes we need to make to the world.
        Wow, this is really scary shit. Why wasn’t this reported in our MSM?
        Oh, wait, that’s what we taxpayers pay our MSM not to report eh?
        To all you trolls in Frazer House, I bet you don’t report this to your dear leader!
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:10pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        “…philanthropist [really? Former public servant, more like] Helen Clark suggested we need to use Covid 19 mandates to force people to accept the changes we need to make to the world.”
        
        I thought mandates were for “the good” of the people and the community, not for forcing the changes “we” [who is we?] need [says who?] to make to the world. I guess that was just a pretext after all.
        
        Eventually, the public lies always slip away and the private truths come spewing out.
        
        It seems that they’ve just given up on the public pretense and are now just flagrantly speaking along the same lines as the conspiracy theorists have for the last 2 years. Lol.
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:39pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Master Mariner,
        
        Yes,
        Our Revered ex-PM sure extended her remit beyond mums & babes….
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:53pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        What the f*ck would Helen Clark know about maternity & new borns?
        
        O, let me guess, she has a niece.
        
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        June 2, 2022 8:27pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Finally your day has arrived Mike? Is that why so much enthusiasm?
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:06am
- RightNow
  
  Sounds to me like you’re celebrating sex trafficking.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:09am
- grumpy
  
  Does that include Fluffers for the Labour Party?
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Are you one ?
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:03pm
Scott

3 News last night cheerfully informed us that there are more female police graduates than ever. The latest class is 30% female. But that’s not enough! Oh no no no. Apparently we need even more female police officers. The police aim to get it up to 40% female police officers. They also want to have a female police commissioner. They already have a female assistant police commissioner. But equality won’t be satisfied till we have a female police commissioner. This piece of cultural Marxism was presented as a straight news story.

Here’s the problem. Are female police as good as male police in actually dealing with aggressive criminals? A 6 foot tall man is way more intimidating to a criminal than a woman who may be say 5ft 8″.

There’s been studies done by the army of men and women in combat. Women exhibit about 40 percent less upper-body strength and 33 percent less lower-body strength, on average, than men. Men had much stronger grips than women — the difference was so big that 90 percent of the women scored lower than 95 percent of the men.

In general, men are also faster than women. The fastest woman in the world, Florence Griffith Joyner, ran the 100-meter dash in just 10.49 seconds in 1988, and that record remains unbroken. Yet her fastest time wouldn’t have even qualified her for the men’s 2016 Olympic competition, which requires competitors to finish the 100-meter sprint in 10.16 seconds or less.
https://www.livescience.com/52998-women-combat-gender-differences.html

So at a time when Australia is sending us hardened gang members the aim of the police is to recruit police officers who are smaller and weaker and slower.

Woke ideology is just totally accepted by the news media as the right thing to do, we must have equality they say ! But will it mean in the harsh light of day that our police force is less able to deal with aggressive criminals? Will crime get even worse due to more wokeness?
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June 2, 2022 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , in the middle of a crime “emergency” they prioritise gender hiring targets .
  
  Madness.
  
  ps I don’t recall that in Peel’s Principles , seeing as how Cuddles says that is the police’s underlying philosophy .
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:13am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Just a part of the continuing feminisation of our society, and the emasculation of our previously strong & virile manhood of this country.
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:52am
    - blue collar
      
      Bravo don !!
      You’ve got it in a nutshell
      Funny if a war breaks out suddenly men are in …. Society needs us …. Why should we ?
      Like most men we still do the right thing despite everything
      I’ll move that heavy thing , help that stranger put a tent up , step in and break up a fight , protect frightened women in an emergency , help change a tyre , etc etc etc …..
      really why should we ? Equality … you’re on ya own , society doesn’t need us apparently unless …. Drama/emergency/war
      
      But I can tell ya for a fact , if the ship is sinking , get the kids in but I’ll fight a woman for a place in the lifeboat , fuck em
      
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      June 2, 2022 4:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Scott – who would fail the police fitness test – doesn’t think police officers are up to the job.
  If anyone thinks that there should be no female police officers, I would encourage them to round up some better he-men and persuade them to join up.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:14am
  - kowtow
    
    Lower standard for the wimmin in the “fitness” test .
    
    Hardly “equality” but I suppose that’s “equity”.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:30am
  - westernScientist
    
    the problem with getting good cops at the moment (regardless of gender) I think is more to do with the current policies regarding law and order over the last 5 years than anything else.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:56am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Don’t forget that FloJo’s world record for the Women’s 100 Metres is forever tarnished by allegations of steroid use, and debate over whether it was wind-assisted.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:14am
  - mogg
    
    Yes both she and Carl Lewis won gold under very
    suspicious circumstances.
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:29am
  - Colville
    
    The fact that she had bigger shoulders than the Russian weightlifters…
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:32pm
- geoff3012
  
  I thought we already had a girl police commissioner…
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:17am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah, but they’re better at talking males into submission.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ha! Reminds me of a little shortarsed cop in Waikiki, Hawaii giving me a 20 min lecture for jaywalking – which I did. I ran across the road to help a guy that got hit with a falling palm frond.
    After the lecture I told he she could do the job as I would just ignore it. That was followed by another 3 mins of helping and being a good samaritan.
    Fuck, I was glad she had finished!
    
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    June 2, 2022 11:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yes, the spread of wokeness around the globe is amazing. This headline:
  
  “In pictures: Ukraine’s LGBTQ soldiers head for war”
  I thought it must be “The Onion”, but it’s Reuters.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/in-pictures-ukraines-lgbtq-soldiers-head-idUSRTS8AC97
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:49am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    New video of the woke soldiers training. Impressive.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVCFQgJUWDk
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:01am
    - Swifty
      
      Classic.
      
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      June 2, 2022 9:27am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Swifty if you thought that was classic watch this. Except this isn’t satire. It’s meant to be reality.
        US military recruitment advert vs a Russian one.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYrRy3mzE
        
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        June 2, 2022 10:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Right stop that, it’s silly”
      Must be the same for NZ Police
      
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      June 2, 2022 11:12am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    Obviously far braver than lame arm chair soldiers such as yourself Clan.
    Anyway even if these guys only take their handbag to the frontline I’m sure it will be more effective than the amateurish efforts of the Russians so far.
    
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    June 2, 2022 9:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      How do you know I’m a “lame arm chair soldier” Ross? You know nothing of me or my life, present and/or past. You do know what “assumption is the mother of” no doubt.
      
      Your response is sadly exactly as expected. Sad people who are “offended” by everything and constantly look for something else to whinge about.
      .The video is humour. We used to be allowed to enjoy it. It’s Python. They rightly took the piss out of everything including masculinity, religion, bureaucracy – whatever. Anything that took itself too seriously was a target and so it should be.
      I know for a fact that the majority of intelligent people of any sexual persuasion would understand what it is. Satire.
      Mind you, that was a bit stereotypical of you to associate presumably homosexual males with carrying handbags? Really? Like all Irish are dumb and all women should stay in the kitchen? I’m surprised at you.
      
      Yes, those Russians are doing terribly so far.//
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:14am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Clan: Yet I’m certain I read headlines a few months back stating that women and children were being shipped away from the fighting. Women cannot expect to have it both ways.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:35am
- westernScientist
  
  I think this brave and beautiful woman would make a fine cop:
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6765965/Rapper-beats-female-weightlifting-records-identifying-woman.html
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Absolutely. I’d be very happy to see her/him help me out if I was being attacked by a group thugs, male or female or other.
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:20am
- westernScientist
  
  Does it really matter if the female cops are not as strong etc. if they are not allowed to arrest the most brazen of criminals anyway?
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:56am
- leoj
  
  We already have a female Police commissioner.
  She gives cuddles.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:14am
- MCōs
  
  I was sitting in the Manukau Mall a few years ago when a fight broke out between two guys, Queensbury Rules.
  Out of nowhere a female security guard rushed over and flattened one of the pugilists, pulled him to his feet and marched him outside followed by his mates.
  The other one was grabbed by his mates and hustled off in the other direction.
  They weren’t small guys, but the security woman was. She knew how to handle the situation and if she was a copper it wouldn’t have ended there.
  I was impressed.
  Male, female wouldn’t have made much difference.
  All on not much more than minimum wages.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:16am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Good on her. That’s how it’s supposed to be, on merit, not quotas. Quotas are probably the most moronic aspect of the current woke movement. The gender choice nonsense probably just edges it though.
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:24am
- Hebe123
  
  the other question is – do as many women want to be cops as men? Why force 50%? its a bit like forcing 50% male ECE teachers when most blokes would choose secondary if going the teaching route.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:16am
- oldfella
  
  Scott, maybe it’s time to issue our smaller, weaker, female cops with side arms? In the interests of achieving equity with their male counterparts.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:30am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I think you’ll find that women are actually very well suited to the modern policing style of Andrew Cuddles Coster. I mean, they’re much better at giving cuddles than men for a start, and I don’t believe the act of slapping someone on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, or not turning up to burglaries, break-ins and prowlers when reported, is any better suited to males than females.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Forced on the force by these meatheats
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What do our Government Ministers actually do?

Minister for Children Kelvin Davis said in a statement he did not receive the independent report and was not made aware of the level of dysfunction it identified.

“While this happened shortly after I became minister, I expect Oranga Tamariki to keep me better informed about things such as this,” Davis said.

and Minister Marama Davidson:
“I was not advised at any time of failings in the Oranga Tamariki sexual violence project.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/06/oranga-tamariki-s-botched-sexual-violence-project-hidden-from-ministers-officials.html

Is it too much to expect Ministers to be a bit proactive and just routinely check if projects are ticking along?
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June 2, 2022 8:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  In Kelvin Davis’ case, yes, it’s much to much to expect that he would be proactive and on top of his portfolios. Nothing he has done in almost five years suggests that he is up to the task.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The enormous apparatus of reporting on, and scrutiny of, what government agencies do has never worked well and probably never will. Government ministers occasionally get things done personally, or intervene at opportune moments, but this is the exception rather than the rule, and always has been,
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:18am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Not always. Before the SOE Act that the politicians put in place to give themselves avoidance of direct responsibility for policy delivery it was expected that they were over their portfolios & resigned in the event of major Stuff ups.
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:52am
    - Frank Hematuria
      
      Kiwikids, if you really are referring to SOEs (ie Government-owned or partly-owned commercial entities) then I doubt that you would want Ministers anywhere near commercial decision-making or the business policies that support the enterprise. The role of Ministers is to ensure that the business plans and the commercial outcomes are consistent with the Government’s expectations, and they are best left right there and the rest left to the Boards to oversee.
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:40am
  - Frank Hematuria
    
    Mike, do you have experience within the reporting and scrutiny “apparatus” to support your view of its past and future effectiveness? I have, and my experience with multiple Ministers, Select Committees and the central control agencies tells me otherwise. Also, yes, some Ministers do intervene when they think they should, but good ones do much more than that. I can think of several I worked with who wanted to know very early in their portfolios what was being worked on and why and they required periodic updates on progress right up to the point of implementation. So if the impression you are trying to leave is that Ministerial and Government oversight is some kind of opaque and haphazard process you are, in my opinion and based on my personal experience, plain wrong.
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:50am
- pdm
  
  Davidson is too busy trying to dump present Greens Co-Leader James Shaw to worry about Cabinet responsibilities.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  OT official: “Hello Minister. I have a draft of that report”
  
  Davidson: “How bad is it?”
  
  OT official: “Bad. Really bad. Not sure how we’ll deal with it”
  
  Davidson: “You are not to mention this report to me by name, and you are definitely not to send it to me, or to anyone in my office. Are you clear on this?”
  
  OF official: “Crystal. Thank you. Bye”
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:42am
  - oldfella
    
    KK, have you bugged Kelvin’s office? Got anything on He Pua Pua? 😉
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:33am
  - Ian Boag
    
    One is reminded of Murray McCully who (supposedly) required bad news to be delivered verbally with nothing in writing …
    
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    June 2, 2022 6:09pm
- Swifty
  
  Isn’t it their bloody jobs to find out about this stuff?
  
  You know, get around the buildings and offices and see what everyone is doing and hear from them whats up?
  
  “Nobody told me…” FFS.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:53am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Disturbingly close to “I was just following orders” isn’t it?
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:43am
- maggiemay
  
  So was the previous min for children aware?
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:16am
- mogg
  
  Doesn’t the favourite excuse start off with;
  ‘I am incredibly frustrated and deeply disappointed at the way this has been handled by’, then goes on to blame anybody and everybody else.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:42am
- Loddenthinks
  
  You’d think wouldn’t you, that with their current focus on the powers-that-be refusing to see what’s in front of them (viz. the cringe-inducing seven-part series on $1uffed called See No Evil) that the MSM would be determined to bring things like the MahutaCorp nepotism and corruption, and Ministers pretending to be unaware of reports seriously critical of their briefs to light.
  
  Sadly, no.
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:30am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

As relevant to New Zealand today as when former US Pres Barry Obama delivered this message to corrupt Black African Politicians in Nairobi some 16 years ago….

“Ethnic based tribal politics has to stop. It is rooted in the bankrupt idea that the goal of politics or business is to funnel as much of the pie as possible to one’s family, tribe, or circle….with little regard to the public good.
It stifles innovation and fractures the fabric of society. Instead of opening businesses and engaging in commerce, people come to rely on patronage and payback as a means of advancing.
Instead of unifying the country to move forward on solving problems, it divides neighbor from neighbor”
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June 2, 2022 8:20am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Relevent? It is reality in New Zealand.
  
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  June 2, 2022 8:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Mahutacorp?
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Don’t be disgraceful.
    
    https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/06/01/oh-dear-its-a-disgrace-to-look-into-posts-filled-by-mahuta-family-members-which-might-explain-why-act-questions-are-ignored/
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:30am
    - oldfella
      
      Maggy, still waiting for the opposition to land a hit on Mahuta over her nepotism. By that I mean Luxon, who doesn’t seem to even be trying.
      Chris, please note, being kind to the govt is not the role on an opposition party.
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:35am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And this from Sean Plunkett…..
      
      https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/co-governance-the-crown-and-the-mahuta-dynasty
      
      Surely, if conflicts of interest lead to personal gain, there must be serious implications?
      
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      June 2, 2022 10:46am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Another component of the big steal in 2020 US election revealed (2:35:45) fake ballots are generated by filing a huge flood of identical voter applications on last day (overwhelming review/checkers systems) for people who don’t generally vote to get new voter IDs issued, then harvesting the applications as they are mailed out, and de-registering them again after the election so that they don’t get caught out in reviews of voter rolls: https://rumble.com/v16wiv4-arizona-state-senate-reviews-true-the-vote-presentation-on-ballot-harvestin.html
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June 2, 2022 8:43am
- Nickc2
  
  Did it ever strike you as crazy how Joe/Jill Average Americans will shoot each other at the drop of a hat and for little or no reason but turn the other cheek for rigged and stolen elections?
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From the live video, “They/re going to cheat again, and they’re going to cheat more”
  Keep your eyes on the RINOs for misinformation
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:47am
JimBobJoe

Dr Campbell on Monkeypox outbreak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6cD-VWhQY
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June 2, 2022 8:51am
- Master Mariner
  
  Watched last night, It raises a lot more questions than answers Jimbob ?
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yes, Kim Iversen from The Hill covered it also. Incredibly prescient of these people.//
  
  “Fauci’s organisation NIAID Received $10M MONKEYPOX Research Grant Last Year”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEWSPTnNeb4
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:09am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Monkey Pox: The UK URGES that if you have Monkeypox to “abstain from sex until their symptoms have cleared.
    Covid: I don’t have symptoms , someone in the house does, and i am REQUIRED to stay home for 7 days.
    Monkey Pox: U.K. Health Security Agency also RECOMMENDED that previously infected persons continue to use condoms for a period of eight weeks after the virus has passed, as a precautionary measure.
    Covid: NZ REQUIRES you to wear a mask in all indoor retail environments regardless of covid status.
    Very different health approach for the two diseases. One you are only asked to stop spreading it and take precautions even when actively infected. The other they mandate you even if you don’t have it.
    
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    June 2, 2022 2:33pm
Maggie Pie

DEPP v HEARD

Must give my partner his dues.
He’s been rooting for Johnny since the trial began.
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June 2, 2022 8:51am
- Cassandra
  
  Interesting verb, Maggie. Neither side comes out of this well. Lawyers coping though.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:36am
- Ra Henare
  
  Forgive me Maggie,
  But do you have a crush on Johnny and using your partner as a surrogate.
  
  Written English is an interesting language, so easily misunderstood. 🙂
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Johnny was doing his Keith Richards yesterday
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:11pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I went his way when she did a Joe Biden on the bed, behahahahaha
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:10pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Democratic law firm Perkins Coie – who were behind the Trump Russia collusion fabrication – have been tapping in to FBI databases since 2012 – with FBI access secretly set up within their offices during the Obama Admin, and potentially explaining a huge number of ‘non-compliant’ tracking queries (ie illegal spying) on various people.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/31/breaking-the-fbi-maintains-a-workspace-including-computer-portal-inside-the-law-firm-of-perkins-coie-the-ramifications-are-significant/
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June 2, 2022 8:54am
- Nickc2
  
  No doubt they’ll be able to help Hillary Clinton find her missing e-mails then, but will they?
  I seriously doubt it!
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:38am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They might know where the bodies are buried
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:14pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Maybe in the 60s the answer to spying was shooting the prez in the head from atop a tall building!
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:13pm
bjools

“He’s been rooting for Johnny …”
Lucky you
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June 2, 2022 8:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Say what
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:13pm
Ehlana

Today’s tale of woe: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-woman-lay-dead-for-weeks-daughter-seeking-answers/NUQ4AU4HYQC4W374MCAYQGMLAI/

So, hard of hearing Mum in Christchurch lives alone at home, with a St John alarm and Nurse Maude home visits. Mum goes into hospital, so calls Nurse Maude to cancel the visits. Mum comes out of hospital, but doesn’t call Nurse Maude to restart home care. Mum apparently doesn’t know her St John alarm is waterproof, so takes it off to shower and forgets to put it on again. Nearest family are in north Otago.

Mum collapses at home and is found dead a month later.

Daughter says, “As far as I’m concerned the health system failed my mother”, “Expecting my mother to make calls … she had dementia, Parkinson’s disease and a few other health issues,” and “I don’t think it’s the family’s responsibility, we all had faith in the health system”. “My mother didn’t deserve that”.

How have we come to believe that our families are not our responsibility?
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June 2, 2022 9:11am
- Hebe123
  
  wow. If my parents don’t respond to a call within the day and I can’t get hold of them, I get my brother to go round and check on them. Or one of their friends. And there is two of them to look after each other (even if they are a bit prone to supporting each other’s crazy notions).
  It is absolutely the responsibility of the family.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:20am
- leoj
  
  More than two weeks between contact from the family.
  Easy fix. Shift the blame.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:21am
- alex Masterley
  
  As far as I am concerned the daughter failed her mother (as I read the story).
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:44am
- artemisia
  
  Common enough for families to be estranged, sometimes for excellent reasons. Some people are evil.
  
  Back stories may not be known. Very publicly blaming ‘the system’ though?
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:49am
  - Ehlana
    
    I can’t help wondering if this daughter has realised that her treatment of her mother has taught her children how to care for her.
    
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    June 2, 2022 4:53pm
- MCōs
  
  There are a many personal story of grief and distress such as this that find their way into the media.
  I would suggest that no matter how aggrieved one might feel it’s not a very sympathetic world out there if the story isn’t watertight.
  I heard a comment on TV recently from someone I know that came out a lot stronger than if she’d had more time to think things through.
  TV don’t care, that was just what they were after.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:30am
- graham
  
  “I don’t think it’s the family’s responsibility, we all had faith in the health system,” she said.
  
  Wow.
  
  The daughter seems to expect that the carer organisation, Nurse Maude, should have magically known to resume visits once her mother had left hospital – even though the mother didn’t call them. Not good enough, says the daugher, because apparently her mother “had dementia, Parkinson’s disease and a few other health issues.”
  
  Asked if the family could have done more to check on Dickson, Te Wahia said her four children also lived far from Christchurch and her mother’s hearing difficulties made communication difficult.
  
  So tell me again how this somehow absolves the family from the responsibility??
  
  My father is in a similar situation. He has dementia and is living in his own unit, with carers visiting him. We live just over an hour away and visit regularly, but we are also in constant contact with the carers, with a couple of local organisations, with the doctor, with a close friend of his … just because the mother has difficulty hearing, doesn’t mean there aren’t other people you can call.
  
  This woman should AT LEAST have been in touch with the Nurse Maude organisation on her mother’s behalf. Or one of the other children. The excuse of “we all had faith in the health system” simply doesn’t cut it. It’s your responsibility to check up on things – ESPECIALLY when it’s your mother.
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:01am
I remember when

The HDPA interview with Sue Chetwin showed that the enquiry members had read the instructions carefully before commencing their work.
Consequently the enquiry came up with the required results and suggestions.
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June 2, 2022 9:22am
- graham
  
  Hat tip to Suze Wainwright on yesterday’s GD.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/06/general_debate_01_june_2022.html#comment-3187325
  
  I had a listen to Jack Tame trying to defend the proposed policy requiring Pharmac to be more “equitable”. It’s really quite enjoyable listening to Jack Tame getting his ass handed to him on a plate by Heather du Plessis-Allen and Tim Beveridge, both of whom ended up laughing at his rather desperate attempts at spinning.
  
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  June 2, 2022 9:33am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Not at all graham.
    
    Unfortunately, what is becoming abundantly obvious is that ‘educated’ comfortably middle class woke folk who still feel that it’s the nice, correct thing to support Jacinda and punctuate their discourse with a drop of erudite te Reo every now & then, seem to have no mindfulness that what they believe is ‘equitable’ for society is nowhere near what someone influential and further to their left believes is ‘equitable’ for (race-based) society.
    
    In the recent times I’ve heard Jack Tame on the huddle, he has demonstrated himself to be an exemplary case in point.
    
    Love or hate John Banks, he was pretty much bang on when he said the left in NZ are a mile wide, but an inch deep…
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Am I missing something here. We’re Māori not allowed to get the drugs that others get?
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:16pm
Sideoiler

…..How have we come to believe that our families are not our responsibility?

The state is prepared to interfere in every aspect of a citizens life, the citizen then expects his fellow taxpayer to pick up the pieces every time he makes a poor decision or choice.
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June 2, 2022 9:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I believe it is one of the reasons for the policy of dividing us into smaller and smaller sub groups. The family unit is breaking apart as is general societal cohesion. Individuals are much easier to control, particularly when they are dependent on the state for their day to day living arrangements.
  It’s socialism on steroids. It’s Ardern driving through the Agenda 2030 policy and the “great reset”. Hence the controlled demolition of the economy, medical apartheid, racial apartheid via 3 waters and all of the other divisive policies they are implementing.
  The BLM, Extinction Rebellion, LGBTQ etc phenomenon are not organic. This is no accident. Society is deliberately being torn apart. The best thing we can all do is start rebuilding our communities again at a local level while we start the job of implementing alternative support structures for the real things that matter in life. Warmth, shelter, food, family, friends. A pox on the wannabe technocratic control freaks who actually add nothing meaningful to society or the planet as a whole.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:33am
mandk

Morgan Godfrey is a nincompoop: https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128825478/high-infection-rates-mean-mask-mandates-must-come-back-to-schools

Infection rates were exploding earlier this year when we had mask mandates for just about everything.

It couldn’t be more obvious that masks don’t inhibit infections.

Almost all of us will the bug sooner or later, and neither masks nor jabs will alter that.
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June 2, 2022 10:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  RNZ has been really pushing the need for Masks in schools/classrooms.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/468324/covid-19-teachers-say-health-at-risk-with-poor-uptake-of-masks-among-students
  
  You need fairly robust health to be in teaching/nursing/policing/hospitality… in fact any job in which you are daily exposed to the microbiota of many individuals.
  
  I got a few colds the first year I went teaching amongst the great unwashed/rivers of filth (i.e. teenage boys)… Thereafter I was fine.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:44am
  - MCōs
    
    Some teachers are pushing mask wearing.
    
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    June 2, 2022 11:02am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Union scum teachers
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:17pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Mass formation. Concerning that educators are driving something when if they had studied all the now available actual science, not the models, they would understand that masks no practically nothing to prevent transmission of any aerosol virus. They would also by now be aware that other than a few days off with a sniffle, they would be in no danger whatsoever.
      
      This article discusses the subject in depth.
      
      The Spineless Generation
      
      https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-spineless-generation/
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Morgan Godfery in mandk’s link above is described as a senior lecturer at Otago University.
        
        This Leftist former trade unionist teaches entrepreneurship in the university’s department of marketing!
        
        The university web site says: “Morgan comes to the Bachelor of Entrepreneurship after a successful career in journalism and public policy.”
        
        Articles by Godfery often appear in the faux-NZ edition of the Guardian. “Faux” because if you log on from NZ you find NZ articles, but if you log on through VPN so the Guardian site doesn’t know you’re from NZ, these NZ articles do not appear.
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:14pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        NExt govt needs to stop tax payer funding of left wing cheer leaders – that means media, academia and NGOs. Let them fund themselves if they can find willing supporters.
        
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        June 2, 2022 1:36pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Jack5 – entrepreneurship! Like a broken down Leftie hack knows anything about how entrepreneurs think.
        
        Truly the country is becoming Kafkaesque.
        
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        June 2, 2022 8:47pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I think the term is useful idiot.
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Also sounds like a great description of Paddy Gower….. and his backing for changing the name of New Zealand to ‘Aotearoa’.
    
    What an absolute COCK !!
    
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    June 2, 2022 10:53am
    - kevn
      
      @Maggie… Sir George Grey would be impressed.
      
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      June 2, 2022 11:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He’s a bent cock, or cock womble as the left like to say
      
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      June 2, 2022 12:19pm
- All_on_Red
  
  No difference in infection rates between places with mask mandates and places without.
  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/06/01/lancet-study-on-masking-n2608053
  
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  June 2, 2022 10:49am
- kevn
  
  @mk… What a fool. A quick search tells anyone the facts. Maybe he is one of those people who cycles and/or drives alone with a mask on?
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2LiMTtGrAY
Why Taiwan is not Ukraine.

For a start they’d have to get across a water gap successfully. There are only certain times of the year when this is possible with a good chance of success. China spends far more on defence. Their economy dwarfs Taiwan’s. So does their population. There are several ways they could try an invasion. [17:52]
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- Jack5
  
  The comparative military power of Taiwan is ranked in the link below.
  
  It’s ranked by this international analytical site as being just ahead of Ukraine, which is standing up to Russia, and Russia in military power is ranked ahead of China.
  
  If you click on the air power break-out, Taiwan itself is stronger than the UK.
  
  Amphibious invasions need overwhelming naval and air power, as the Pacific battles in World War 2 showed.
  
  If the Americans or Japanese fought beside the Taiwanese, an invasion would be a very long shot indeed for China.
  
  Global Fire Power’s rankings. The breakouts into types of power are interesting:
  
  https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:57pm
  - curry4me
    
    Thanks, that global fire power link was very interesting.
    
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    June 2, 2022 7:16pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPYaSBqFy74

Media Admits Dominion Voting Software Can Be Hacked!

Well, it must be very cold in hell right now because legacy media outlets are all ADMITTING the Dominion Voting Software Can Indeed Be HACKED! We’re going to look at the latest bombshell AP report, we’re going to see a very interesting connection between the report and the 2016 campaign, and make sure to stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal the big takeaway in terms of what all of this means!
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June 2, 2022 10:18am
Maggie Pie

“If intelligent-life is to be found out there/somewhere in the universe, it will be blonde”

– Elon Musk (SpaceX)

😛 😀 😎
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June 2, 2022 10:22am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Life would be much more boring without Musk.
  
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  June 2, 2022 1:15pm
ClanMcleod

“Call of the Climate Scientists and bring in the Engineers”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/call-off-the-climate-scientists-and-bring-in-the-engineers/
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June 2, 2022 10:43am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The problems will be solved by engineers and entrepreneurs if we can stop politicians and activists from making them worse.
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:10am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Climate change is a complete irrelevancy in terms of risk to humans and the world.
  
  The real existential risk, and probably the only one worth worrying about, is superintelligent AI likely to arrive in next 1-2 decades. It has a significant chance of wiping out all life in the next century, either through malevolence or indifference, and will upend civilisation to an enormous degree making most people unemployable. Every socio-economic-political problem we have will be upended or made irrelevant by that change.
  
  Nuclear war might come in as distant afterthought in terms of risk, but climate change is at zero in comparison, and sadly it seems that 99% of population don’t see where the real danger lies – we are sleepwalking to what is likely our childrens gallows.
  
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  June 2, 2022 1:54pm
  - Niz
    
    Until AI takes over, the greatest risk we face will be climate change policy.
    
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    June 2, 2022 5:59pm
- cmm
  
  No, they don’t want engineers.
  
  Engineers solve problems and blow through bullshit.
  
  They want to keep the “problem” unsolved to keep it going.
  
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  June 2, 2022 2:17pm
Loddenthinks

I see the random shootings continue apace in Auckland overnight, which really surprises me because Jacinda was only lecturing the Americans a few days ago about how we “saw a problem, and took action”.

I’m sure the innocent person sitiig at his kitchen table with bullets flying over his head will be relieved to know that Dear leader has taken such decisive and effective action.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300603790/if-id-stood-up-id-have-been-shot–man-inside-auckland-house-fired-on-overnight
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June 2, 2022 10:49am
oldfella

Finally, the tattoed lady speaks… crap!
NZ ‘not defined’ by China over Pacific relationships, Nanaia Mahuta says
Minister of Foreign Affairs Nanaia Mahuta says New Zealand is “not defined by China”, and does not need to react to Chinese activity in the Pacific Islands in a way that “makes us look desperate”.
I’d settle for competent, organised, or even awake.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128835144/nz-not-defined-by-china-over-pacific-relationships-nanaia-mahuta-says
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June 2, 2022 10:51am
ClanMcleod

“i never really understood the phrase “the wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead” before.

but i totally think i get it now.”

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-the-wheel-is-spinning?s=r

Oh dear.
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June 2, 2022 10:54am
- Don Beckett
  
  What about: “The lights are on, but there’s nobody home.”
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don – indeed. “A keg short of a six pack” is one of my favourites. I hadn’t heard this one about the hamster wheel before, made me chuckle.
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:34pm
MCōs

Interesting piece on previous White House visits by NZ PMs
Only part is available, but there is a summary & it’s not flattering
https://www.jstor.org/stable/48551529
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June 2, 2022 10:57am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  As for this why the extra half hour was soooo important NZ , what utter bullshit. If I remember rightly the last 3 previous PMs equally had and extra half hour. This vulgar media will stop at nothing
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This Government really loves supporting folks who spin fluff.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/06/government-blames-covid-19-for-46-percent-increase-in-communications-staff.html
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June 2, 2022 10:58am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  We really need a Ministry of B.S.
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think we already have multiple Ministries of Bullshit.
    
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    June 2, 2022 11:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We have one, it’s called the office of the PM
    
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    June 2, 2022 12:22pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So now that covid is over they’ll be getting rid of all those added propagandists? ‘Comms’ (as with all propagandists) work against rather than for interests of taxpayers.
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:33pm
- cmm
  
  Once they’ve used CV19 to wedge in their new mechanisms and staff they will keep them.
  
  A great example of this is the new business outreach through CV19 that they seeded by using all the GST registered people from IRD.
  
  The main goal was supposed to be CV19 business support. You’d think that would now be about ready to shut down.
  
  Nope – it is just being redeployed. Yesterday I was mailbombed by the government offering advice on how to meet climate change. No doubt I can expect something on meeting diversity goals.
  
  Now that it is established we can expect it to remain. All these hundreds of extra staff will find some keep-busy work.
  
  On a similar theme we still see those vaccination bus/camper vans driving around. For how long I wonder? I wonder how many jabs the van I saw in Chch yesterday has done this week?
  
  Again, government expansion is very seldom followed by reduction.
  
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  June 2, 2022 2:58pm
oldfella

Anyone else notice the TV news networks last night telling us that Cindy has invited Joe to come visit ayoteearower?
Poor old bugger is probably still trying to work out where that is.
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June 2, 2022 11:11am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Apparently the old git has been here before but probably thought he was in Albania.
  
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  June 2, 2022 1:01pm
- peterwn
  
  But will Jacinda want to give the special dispensations necessary for a President of the USA to visit NZ. For example allowing the Secret Service agents to carry guns and allowing the Presidential limo to use NZ roads without going through the processes needed for imported cars.
  
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  June 2, 2022 5:33pm
Blog-aholic

Quality governance?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bay-of-plenty-regional-councillor-stacey-rose-moves-to-christchurch/KAUVVCHTFGJT3MFEANEFLAHGH4/
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June 2, 2022 11:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

Well, this is encouraging folks.

Our Police have been working on bias for the last 15 months and helpfully have provided us with a progress report……which tells us….. nothing really.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/468341/police-release-progress-report-on-work-on-bias-but-few-concrete-findings-at-this-stage

BUT…….do not despair…. help is on the way….

A New Research Paradigm is to be employed…

future research is to be led by kaupapa Māori methodology, as well as real world interactions between police communities.

Whew…
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June 2, 2022 11:29am
- oldfella
  
  Maggy, as long as the future research is also led by Maori science and Maori maths. //
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:26pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Is that kaupapa Maori methodology, Maggy, or more koha Maori methodology</i?
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

mmmmmmm…..

I’m beginning to see why some folks aren’t interested in engaging with Te Reo.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pakeha-talking-the-reo
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June 2, 2022 11:48am
- Blog-aholic
  
  “yip, yip, it is what it is.” You are daamned when you do and when you don’t. I wonder what a truely decolonised New Zealand would look like?
  
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  June 2, 2022 11:52am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Can’t be long now, there’s a welter of stuff coming through the colon and it’s only increasing.
    
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    June 2, 2022 5:29pm
- Yvette
  
  When I read that yesterday, Maggie, I was reminded that Faafoi and Jacinda still haven’t defined “hate speech” and one can see why, to some degree.
  Further, when they do get around to it, of course speech that incites anger and aversion through denagrating a minority will be obvious, but what about speech and action which incite the same negativity but by elevation any one group above all others?
  There is quite a bit of that happening and could even incite quite violent action.
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:13pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think the vulgar arrogance and smug rubbishing people on the right speaking Te Reo will do damage to what these fools are trying to achieve, I reckon half Māori listening will he horrified at what is being said, Gunn it’s white idiots pushing this
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:25pm
- Jack5
  
  Gibberish of racial hate posing as poetry, Maggy. Ironically, the hater chooses to write in the language of the hated.
  
  Published on a web site founded by two people formerly in the mainstream media.
  
  A web site presumably subsidised by the Ardernists.
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:28pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Kinda makes you wonder what certain people really do want.
  
  I’ve had the experience of seeing a Pakeha teacher MC’ing for a social event at a Māori educational function.
  
  This teacher happened to be fluent in te Reo and all matters Te Ao Māori. She clearly knew the lingo and the customs way better than a large number of the parents and other whanau of the students present at the occasion. To say that did NOT go down well among those in attendance was something of an understatement.
  
  “What the (phuk) does that stupid white bitch think she’s doing?” seemed to be uttered frequently.
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:35pm
- graham
  
  So … if we don’t learn Te Reo, we’re being rude and deliberately choosing to remain ignorant, ignoring the history of the rightful indigenous people of Aotearoa, trampling all over their history, and perpetuating colonisation … apparently.
  
  But if we do learn Te Reo, and even try to take an interest in Maori history, it’s “HOW DARE YOU!! Who the hell do you think you are, whitey? Do you think that’s something to be proud of? I’ve got two hundred years of history on my side, don’t you try to usurp that, you can just f*** right off.”
  
  On balance, I think I’ll just take the easy way out, and stick to learning new skills that (a) I actually want to learn, and (b) I’m not going to get abused for trying to better myself.
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:36pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In many languages, the language is specific to one ethnicity. Members of that ethnicity may feel offended or threatened when someone outside their ethnic group communicates fluently in their language.
    
    “We’re special. How dare you try to be like us!”
    
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    June 2, 2022 1:28pm
Maggie Pie

DEPP v HEARD

Things might go from bad to worse for Amber. Now they’re saying she could be facing JAIL TIME for perjury 🙁

https://buff.ly/3N4RE6C
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June 2, 2022 11:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Kate Moss should also take out a case suggesting she was thrown down the stairs with great velocity by Johnny
  
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  June 2, 2022 12:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Moss appeared as a witness. She said Depp and her were going out somewhere. He went ahead and as she followed she slipped and hurt her back.
    She said he rushed back, picked her up in his arms and carried her to the bed, where he called medical help.
    So, no violence or pushing down the stairs.
    
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    June 2, 2022 1:24pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, exactly, but Heard had written that she was pushed by Depp, thats why i said Moss should have heard charged with slander as well
      
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      June 2, 2022 7:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    G…..Johnny & Kate are all luved up again as we speak 😛
    
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    June 2, 2022 1:39pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Okay
      
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      June 2, 2022 2:04pm
Jack5

New Zealand newspapers have long made decisions on which court cases to report – which are of news value.

But is the NZ Herald taking things to a new stage with this in a report today of an assault case in Queenstown. The Herald report includes: “The man, who the Herald has chosen not to name.”

The country’s biggest newspapers adds a new dimension to court name suppression.

The obvious question is: does this policy come from above? From the Ardern paymasters and subsidisers?

The case itself is interesting: a discharge without conviction for assaulting (the Herald’s word in the headline) police.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/arrowtown-fatal-crash-victims-boyfriend-avoids-conviction-for-assaulting-police-officers/RXJTJBFRBJH3I3VSEFZCLHBOOM/
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June 2, 2022 12:12pm
ClanMcleod

The fear porn merchants at the Whoreald are back onto the covid circus, obviously people were laughing too hard at the monkeypox circus.

“Today’s case numbers as modelling suggests second Omicron wave to hit later this year”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-todays-case-numbers-as-modelling-suggests-second-omicron-wave-to-hit-later-this-year/EY7OUM6MK6NDOMTTNPWBV6V4HM/

Puerile garbage. Interestingly no author putting their name to the article. Also no reference to where the “model” they referred to originated or who the creator of that nonsensical crap was.

Maybe they instead focused on the overseas evidence now showing that the more you vaccinate the more cases of covid you will get. That the more vaccines you get the more damage done to your innate immune system.
Of course, Princess Brenda’s single source of truth means they aren’t allowed to say that so they stick another couple of variables into their trusty Amiga 3000 and boom! – a second “deadly” wave of covid is upon us.
It’s winter, we used to call it the flu.
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June 2, 2022 12:58pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yep here’s my 2 cents worth, I predict more people will get sick with Covid, flu, colds etc. over winter, so we will get a bit of a spike, but come spring / summer less will get sick.
  Should I pass this on to Shaun Hendy to build in to his modelling?
  
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  June 2, 2022 1:47pm
  - mandk
    
    Yes, go for it.
    
    And when you contact Hendy you could ask him for a slice of the $6 million he got from the Govt for producing ludicrously inaccurate COVID forecasts.
    
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    June 2, 2022 4:24pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Half the country have had and survived Covid by now, vaccinated and masked or not. At least 1,178,816 reported cases, and 7965 reported cases in the last 24 hours. 49,000 active cases, 1,128, 601 classified as recovered.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases
  
  Who cares if “another wave” hits the country? I couldn’t care less. These people are deluded, and the people who listen to them are even worse.
  
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  June 2, 2022 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

HOW THE WEST WAS LOST 🙁

Twitter bestie in the US tweets…

“Memorial-Day vs Pride-Month”

https://twitter.com/NancyMAGAmonkey/status/1532033680385773568
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June 2, 2022 1:24pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Our ancestors went to war so that gay men could parade around for a month festooned with multi-coloured dildos. Not!
  
  But don’t worry, two men getting married is just the same and as natural as a man and a woman getting married, and besides, it’s just two consenting adults in their own homes.
  
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  June 2, 2022 1:59pm
Don Beckett

Breaking – “Four people were killed and multiple others were wounded during a mass shooting Wednesday at a medical building in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police said.’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/4-people-killed-others-wounded-in-mass-shooting-at-tulsa-medical-building-suspect-dead/ar-AAXZ2Dd?ocid=BingNewsSearch
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June 2, 2022 1:37pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  “He said that investigators had not yet identified the shooter, but described him as a Black man in his late 30s”
  
  Move along. Nothing to see here. This will probably be the first and the last we hear of this incident.
  
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  June 2, 2022 1:50pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-member-prison-rates-at-seven-year-low-but-proportion-of-incarcerated-gangsters-increases/SFTUUA23F2VQKYDYDOQEGXFIQY/

Prisoner numbers hit 10,000 in 2017, requiring a new prison to be constructed. Labour just decided to let them free.

Kelvin Davis says…

“Instead we took a different approach and have safely reduced the prison population by 27 per cent,” Davis said.

Kelvin Davis says they safely reduced prisoner numbers but crime is rampant now. Crime is worse than I’ve ever seen (it feels that way), and gangs rule the streets and form convoys quite regularly. They are also free to beat people who get in their way.
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June 2, 2022 1:51pm
Maggie Pie

News Flash…

ZB reporting TV1 Head-of-News Paul Yurisich has joined Kamahl ‘on leave’

LOL!!
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June 2, 2022 2:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Dear..
  
  Looks like TVNZ will have to look somewhere else for some News professionals
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tvnz-announces-paul-yurisich-in-new-head-of-news-and-current-affairs-role/GVGW6LXSMEJXK7ECQAMY76VFB4/
  
  Wouldn’t it be ever so surprising to discover that we have our own home-grown candidates waiting in the wings (to run Labour’s new podium of Strewth)?
  
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  June 2, 2022 2:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner was just saying rumor at the Viaduct is Clint Smith has been approached.
    
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    June 2, 2022 3:30pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Nah, he’s too right wing for TVNZ
      
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      June 2, 2022 3:49pm
- curry4me
  
  Pity the rest don’t join him, and RNZ too.
  
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  June 2, 2022 7:29pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Looks like EX Nat MP Simon Power has stamped his feet, he personally went to the news room to tell the staff, i note the rotten leftie media tried to say he was kicking it down the road, (funny cause thats what Cindy does on most topics) but Power has only taken the reins in the last few weeks, this job would have been sorted well before christmas
  
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  June 2, 2022 7:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Donald Trump Jr on Uvalde. An attempt at satire on how leftists react. The Dems make school shooting a joke. Judge it how you will.
Incoming in 3, 2, 1 Mike (might take longer than that for Mike to think how to bend and twist this.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1530724616574054401?
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June 2, 2022 2:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

America needs help? Joe Biden needs help, and Jaspinda needs help.
https://trendingpolitics.com/biden-grovels-before-new-zealands-prime-minister-says-americans-need-guidance-on-guns-and-climate-change-knab/?
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June 2, 2022 2:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Climate Tyre vandals are on the loose in Central Wellington.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/06/man-almost-crashes-car-in-wellington-after-climate-action-group-tampers-with-his-tyre.html

Thanks James.
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June 2, 2022 3:16pm
- kowtow
  
  I see the media report this under “climate change” and tyhey keep calling these criminal scumbags “activists”. Should be under the heading “crime”.
  
  Shows whose side the media pardy are in this .
  
  I’ve checked their website and those ev sanctimonious types bedda watch out too . Anthe point being you can’t please the lefties so why try.
  
  Seebelow
  
  “Hybrids and electric cars are fair game. We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis – there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone’s car and the mining of these metals causes suffering. Plus, the danger to other road users still stands, as does the air pollution (PM 2.5 pollution is still produced from tyres and brake pads).”
  
  Mind you I wonder what these toe rags thinks make their phones and other devices work.
  
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  June 2, 2022 3:36pm
- bjools
  
  Potential charges
  Criminal damage
  Attempt at causing GBH
  Attempted murder?
  
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  June 2, 2022 3:39pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/johnhackeria/status/1532121375841800193
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June 2, 2022 3:53pm
Gravelroad

Anyone seen a questionable photo of Ardern and Biden?
A lot of traffic for and against on newstalkzb about it as I drove along an hour or so ago.
But can’t find it.
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June 2, 2022 4:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’ve been sent nearly 20….but this is the only one I dare post here 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/JeremyMcilvride/status/1531858733713608704
  
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  June 2, 2022 4:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fake News
    
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    June 2, 2022 5:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Leftist will cry.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/545491349667859/permalink/1047776902772632/
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June 2, 2022 5:02pm
Maggie Pie

My partner asks a Random-Impertinent-Question 🙁

Name one thing they’ve done so far…..ONE F**ING THING?

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1532206988075081730
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June 2, 2022 5:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Got rid of the colonial noose mandate.
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/world/asia/new-zealand-rawiri-waititi-tie.html
  
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  June 2, 2022 5:14pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Looks like EX Nat MP Simon Power has stamped his feet, he personally went to the news room to tell the staff, i note the rotten leftie media tried to say he was kicking it down the road, (funny cause thats what Cindy does on most topics) but Power has only taken the reins in the last few weeks, this job would have been sorted well before christmas
    
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    June 2, 2022 8:01pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  1.4% of population signed a petition to change name of NZ to Aotearoa. We could probably get more signatures for a petition to change it to Niceland.
  
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  June 2, 2022 5:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Has any one else ever come across the old saying quoted by Rawiri Waititi today?
    
    the old saying goes, “the namer of names is the father of all things”…
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2206/S00018/70000-sign-petition-to-change-official-name-to-aotearoa.htm
    
    (or is he misquoting from Paul’s prayer for the Ephesians?)
    
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    June 2, 2022 7:27pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I reckon a referendum would be lucky to see 10% for
      
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      June 2, 2022 8:03pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Is he wearing a tie?
  
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  June 2, 2022 6:21pm
Maggie Pie

DEPP v HEARD

Given that Elon has financed Amber all the way and hates Johnny’s guts….watch for an Appeal.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128825478/high-infection-rates-mean-mask-mandates-must-come-back-to-schools
What garbage.
Anyone with half a brain knows that masks are absolutely useless.
Their only function is to reduce people to faceless zombies.
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