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Scott

Yesterday DPF posted that he was depressed that Trump will probably win the presidency in 2024 and he believes he should be in jail.

I grant that Trump can be boorish and narcissistic and will fire off some mean tweets.
However he is a patriot who genuinely wants to make his country great, hence MAGA. During his four years in office he presided over the lowest unemployment rate in decades, the stock market went up to record levels and business boomed. Real wages grew, the country became energy independent and he started no new wars.

Contrast with our beloved prime minister who is kind and speaks pleasantly and smiles nicely. During her term of office the economy has stagnated, the number on benefits is very high despite businesses crying out for workers and more expensive energy is now imported since oil and gas exploration was halted at her orders.

No one believes that NZ is going to become richer or more prosperous under this government, there is no aspiration of making NZ great again.

Instead we decline into a moribund crime ridden mediocrity with record house prices meaning no one can even afford to buy a house.

Trump if re elected would get the US economy moving again while our prime minister doesn’t even pretend to care about economic growth.

Trump has a vision for a growing prosperous America where everyone has the opportunity for a job and the chance to better themselves.

Our prime minister dreams of the socialist paradise of Venezuela and that’s where she intends to take us.
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May 13, 2022 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump can be a little rough around the edges. He will get the economy up and running, get the US using their own fuel and selling it, bring back business (creates jobs)
  The welfare dependent left do not want this. The left also do not like his sometimes mean comments, it hurts their feelings.
  He would still be there now if the Democrats massive cheating was stopped
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yet they can call him all sorts of vulgarities, but as we know it’s different when they do it.
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:13am
  - covfefe
    
    Let us not forget that DJT is also quite hilarious and upsets all the right people. Being pro-Trump is really quite punk rock these days.
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The left are born without a sense of humour, and the humour app can not be installed
      
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      May 13, 2022 12:52pm
      - Batman
        
        Covfefe has correctly touched on the point of MAGA and Trumpism, to troll and piss off the libs.
        
        That’s it. There isn’t any other significant policy, and the policy that does exist is in service to the founding ethos of pissing off the Libs.
        
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        May 13, 2022 1:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fun, isn’t it Batman?
        
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        May 13, 2022 2:26pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      “Upsets the right people” makes up for a lot, these days.
      Social Justice cry-bullies gnashing their teeth in anguish is sweet music.
      But I have to wonder how this is the best that America has got.
      Probably like in NZ, the best people are not in politics.
      Would take Trump over Biden for sure, but I feel a bit sorry for the USA.
      
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      May 13, 2022 1:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Few years ago we were camping at Mangawhai. Went to get some lovely fish and chips. Kid sitting down spies my Trump tee and Maga hat.
        “Trump is a liar and a thief”
        “Who told you that, your teacher”
        “I don’t fucking go to school” he said.
        “So you should be working”
        “I don’t fucking work” impressing the girlfriends.
        “What is Trump going to do?”
        I said “make little shits like you work, and contribute to society”
        Angry now – he stood up (impressing the girls.) I walked over to him and he sat down. I pointed to my MAGA hat, and the girls laughed! Fucking jerk he was.
        Never be intimidated by these girly boys.
        
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        May 13, 2022 2:37pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Cool story bro
        
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        May 14, 2022 12:18am
    - curry4me
      
      When I saw a National Review article suggesting he’d run in 2012; I thought “Sod off back to TV land”. He was hosting a reality TV show. Then, I saw his 2015 presidential bid and changed my mind. I’d vote for him in 2024 if I was a US citizen.
      
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      May 13, 2022 1:48pm
      - bjools
        
        Biden is the answer to the question.
        How bad could it get?…….
        He’s it.
        
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        May 13, 2022 2:41pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I was in Alaska 2015. I asked our host family people who did they think would win? This family is both res and blue. Father and Son said Donald Trump, the Dem supporters (Mum and Grandma) said the same – they were all resigned to it.
        I said – he is a business man, a property tycoon.
        They said “Just watch, Donald Trump will be the POTUS”
        That is when I took an interest in American Politics, I had not really bothered before.
        Well, I started watching the campaigns, the flags, the speeches. I soon realised that the Alaskans were spot on.
        
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        May 13, 2022 3:50pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Can you please be factual Scott, the economy has been going well but has hit the same wall every other country has hit, while the latest reports are that the housing market has cooled. Besides that, writing about what someone “dreams” is googa land.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:33am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We are at the beginning of a recession right now, just go out and do some hospo, restaurants are half empty, mates that are car salesman have been flat out with selling cars since after the first lockdown, well they say that sales have dried up, also we are open to travel overseas where snd when we want, there is a mass exodus of internal tourists, also 7000 more NZers have left NZ Han have returned, the country is closer to a recession every single loss that comes along, one great hint is, next election the overseas vote ain’t going left this time, firstly the vulgarity shown to returning NZers human rights, now disgruntled high skilled NZers baling, high inflation always leads to a recession, it’s how a country manages it, yet this Marxist regime wants to force further charges on us with employment tax, banking tax and further costs to climate change that wont make a scrap of difference
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:23am
  - Frank the tank
    
    LOL Brian.
    
    If you read Animal Farm you’ll realize (like the rest of us) that a recession was a fait accompli under Poor Man’s Gordon Brown.
    
    That is of course if you have the comprehension skills of a 12yr old.
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:54am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Our Gordy Brown is more Babe the pig 😃👍🏻
      
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      May 13, 2022 12:20pm
- Ian Boag
  
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  more expensive energy is now imported since oil and gas exploration was halted at her orders
  
  If that had not happened AND meaningful amounts of oil/gas had been found (by no means certain), it would not have been onshore yet. Also it would have sold here at world prices with a good proportion of the funds going offshore. Just saying …
  
  record house prices meaning no one can even afford to buy a house.
  
  Like a whole lot of other countries ….
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:34am
  - Spam
    
    Gas would not have been exported. Oil & condensate would have been, but it would have generated royalties, taxes and cashflow.
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:03am
    - septic skeptic
      
      The point still stands. We had many years of exploration with very little to show for it. As a former NZOG shareholder I suffered through multiple dry wells subsequent to the somewhat accidental discovery of Tui.
      
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      May 13, 2022 9:53am
- Hebe123
  
  I have to say I was very anti trump for a long time due to some of his disgusting personal attributes and comments. I wouldn’t want someone like that representing me. But you’re right, he actually did a good job in many ways. And Ardern is just vile for all her nice facade.
  
  But remember kiwis won’t even stand a comment such as the one about Nadia Lim before writing someone off and lining up to bag the guy. So no chance most will support someone that is even slightly controversial unless they belong to one of our favoured groups….
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But it’s fine for the same vile PM to openly call a school girl at KFC a liar even though she was proved right, the rotten PM should have faced consequences over this rotten comments
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:25am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Trump was and is a vote for and expression of a popular desire for systemic change. He failed to a large degree, but that is what he represents. He is therefore a bellwether.
    
    Things are going to get very bad all across the world, which means that more and more people will not care one iota about gender pronouns, minority rights, “hate speech” or how “kind” a politician is. The more uncomfortable they become, they will only care about whether they have a competent government who has their interests at heart, neither of which are attributes possessed by Biden’s admin, nor our current government, nor any of the alternatives. When the harsh reality hits, liberalism and its promised utopias will be finally discredited, and conservativism and national populism will be thrust to prominence, because they reflect deep realities. Delusions can only maintained while most people are relatively comfortable, and things have been getting more and more uncomfortable for years, despite the superficial facades.
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:42pm
    - Batman
      
      I can hear your hard-on from here, Rodion.
      
      Which is deeply unsettling tbh.
      
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      May 13, 2022 1:29pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Unlike you, I am not an ideologue whose worldview is based on fantasy and is discredited by the observable reality of the last 100 years. It would be nice if liberalism provided an accurate account of reality, but it doesn’t. If it worked, the system wouldn’t be on the verge of collapse. I’m a realist.
        
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        May 13, 2022 1:50pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Kind? Give me your best boorish Trump quote, one that would beat a prime minister saying “2 classes of people yip yip that is what it is” and smirking as she removes the rights of people who don’t take her medical treatment to travel, work or participate in society.
  
  Here is a list by Marie Claire of Trumps most obnoxious quotes. There are some boorish, weird and narcissistic comments for sure. But they are not tyrannical and don’t show an intention to over rule others rights or to divide based on race or refusing a medical experiment.
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:14am
  - Hebe123
    
    That’s right. But strangely talking about grabbing women’s genitals appears way more offensive to kiwis than creating a two tier society.
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:22pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Agree. And grabbing women by the crotch was a privat ex comment he made as a young man way before he was president. While Biden as a public official said heaps of bizarre and creepy things eg kids like to touch my hairy legs and watch them change colour in the pool and all his weird comments with young girls saying you must be 18 and laughing was all covered up by a complicit media.
      
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      May 13, 2022 2:31pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Scott bro – “No one believes that NZ is going to become richer or more prosperous under this government, there is no aspiration of making NZ great again. ” – Beg to differ. 38% of Labour sheeple and 8% of Green sheeple do believe and add to that 3 or 4 Maori party MPs and you will have the same (or even worse) gummit in 2023.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:48am
  - Matt Long
    
    The Labour viters aren’t thinking what good for NZ, they’re thinking what’s in it for them.
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:43pm
Tomtoddy

Gosh, John McDermott, former deputy Governer and Chief Economist at the Reserve Bank has lashed the present leadership in a highly unusual move. Those guys are usually very circumspect and reserved.

He must consider things to be very bad to speak out. Things are going to get much worse and for longer than either the Res Bank or the Govt are claiming. Borrowers are going to get slammed. Low and fixed income earners are already hurting but it has only just started. What a mess.
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May 13, 2022 8:10am
- Simon
  
  Lol – RBNZ currently run by woke tree worshippers.
  
  Monetary policy is interesting at moment. NZ heading into a soft period, maybe recession. There is inflation and RBNZ needs to raise interest rates. Declining economy with the clowns at RBNZ rising interest rates. Also they intend to shrink the money supply by selling down their balance sheet. (the opposite of printing) So double hit. Well done bozos.
  
  A recession would take care of inflation. NZ’s chicken shit debt, construction and traffic cone economy very vulnerable to interest rate rises.
  
  Maybe RBNZ actions to date mean a recession – probably not just yet.
  
  Or the Bozo Reserve Bank just lets inflation rip so as to avoid a recession. Good luck poor and those on fixed incomes.
  
  See what happens. Expect RBNZ will try to let inflation run above target. Attempt to manage a soft landing. Will the woke pull it off? Lol.
  
  RBNZ are waiting for a signal from their tree god while in the meantime monetary policy is the biggest driver of inequality in society. What ever wank the leftwing come up with their inequality its a very distant irrelevant second.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:17am
  - Hebe123
    
    No recession allowed until after the election!
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s coming, one of the first places to cool outside housing is used cars, after the first lockdown used cars have gone gang busters, but mates who sell cars are saying it has cooled right off, Labour going to election year with trouble at mill, not a good look
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I actually feel sorry for RBNZ governor, I guarantee Toff Robertson is dictating to him, he will possibly be hamstrung, he was great at looking after the superfund, he could not be so inept on his superfund works as governor, writing was on the wall when Robertson started he must now balance climate change ffs, and inequality for Māori, great the Nats when asked about RB act said they would put them back to one job, snd that cooling inflation
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:01am
    - chukar
      
      The RB governor is paid mega bucks to do one job .
      Ensure the stability of the NZD.
      He has and is failing.
      There is still the option of being hawkish with use of the OCR but sadly for anyone who cares for this country the RB does not have the courage to act!
      Envy politics, false dreams of soft landings are running Aotearoa!
      ORR not?
      
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      May 13, 2022 5:57pm
  - backster
    
    Maybe we need a maori authority with veto powers to determine Reserve Bank policy.
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:13am
  - Paulus
    
    I remember paying my Wellington mortgage at 21% in the 1980s.
    So what’s new !
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:38pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hoping that Tane Mahuta will turn out to be a money tree
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:07pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Agreed.
  
  For alumni its like watching a dumpster fire. The current governor is a very pale shadow of his predecessors. Had the opportunity to sit nearby him and a friend in one of my favourite little haunts in Wellington (LBQ) a while back.
  
  Easy to tell why he is thought of as he is from that episode alone, let alone when you look at the quality of economist working at the RB these days. Time was the RB was the place where only the very best and very brightest economists could walk in the door.
  
  Now, its trees and hugs.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Haven’t many of thetop people at the RBNZ resigned recently, and are being replaced by people from other non finance, or banking background, Departments.
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:41pm
- pdm
  
  Michael Reddell at Croaking Cassandra Blog has been doing that regularly over the last 18 months at least.
  
  Seems former Reserve Bank staff have no loyalty to or respect for the current Reserve Bank Governor and his team.
  
  One did not see and still does not hear former staff slagging off Don Brash.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Well he is the guy who spent so much of his capital pushing some nonsense about the mythical great tree of the forest and turning the lobby into basically a pagan shrine.
    
    Then people wonder why things have gone tits up.
    
    There’s a “learnings” in there somewhere.
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:38am
- lastmanstanding
  
  It appears the Aussies are going to elect a Labor government lead by Albo and the Mean Girls. This will be bad for NZ. Labor will plunge Oz into recession with its mad cap spending policies and as it is our second largest trading policy that will impact NZ big time adding to the recession NZ is facing.
  By next election Unions will be pressuring for inflation adjusted wage increases mortgage interest rates will be more than double the previous levels.
  Middle NZ will be squeezed and as always and in this case correctly the citizens will blame the Government and toss them out.
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought the polls had the government back in front? And Labour only getting in on two party vote, if it’s down to two party preference, then that is where the pollsters got it so wrong last Aussie election
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:05am
    - curry4me
      
      Ah yes, I remember that. Eperts are becoming increasingly good at being exspurts.
      
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      May 13, 2022 1:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    Watch for how the so called “climate independents” do in the well healed electorates .
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:02pm
Tony Stuart

Congratulations to Brendon McCullum, appointed overnight as head coach of the England cricket team.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/300587344/get-ready-for-the-ride-brendon-mccullum-named-new-england-test-coach

This is certainly a bold move from the England Cricket Board, and with Ben Stokes appointed as England’s test captain, things are going to get interesting. However it could just as easily backfire in spectacular fashion if McCullum and Stokes can’t bring their players around to a far more attacking mindset.

There are likely to be a few hiccups along the way, as there were when McCullum first captained New Zealand, most notably the innings defeat at Cape Town in January 2013, where New Zealand was bowled out for 45 in just 19.2 overs on the opening morning. I would suggest that English cricketing fans might not be quite so reticent in showing their dissatisfaction as Kiwi fans! Anyway, it adds more spice to the upcoming series in England, which should be a belter!
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May 13, 2022 8:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hopefully his first series goes as well as his first as captain, a complete arse kicking by South Africa, and a test innings by NZ of 40 our second lowest total of all time, go the mighty black caps
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I wish him every success G; from his second series as coach, at least!
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:24am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Lol, yes, it was the first series I was talking about, hope he has to find his way with a couple of hidings, then can beat Aussie in the ashes😃👍🏻
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:06am
- pdm
  
  I guess John Wright set the trend when he went and coached India.
  
  Wright probably had far more talent to work with than McCullum will have with England.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    If I remember when Wright took over India, they had not won an away test for 46 tests, that is huge
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:07am
- JimBobJoe
  
  What coaching and managing has Brendon done that warrants such a high profile job? I haven’t followed his career post playing so am unaware of his coaching record…
  
  Can anyone illuminate the situation?
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:00am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    He’s coached Kokata Knight Riders in the IPL, and coached the Trinbago Knight Riders to victory in the Caribbean Premier League in 2020. Doubtless he will have good specialist coaching assistance for the batsmen, bowlers and a fielding coach. Whether that will be enough remains to be seen.
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:20pm
- James Stephenson
  
  I’m with Micheal Vaughan, Stokes and McCullum are too similar as personalities and this has epic disaster written all over it, in the opinion of this English Cricket fan.
  
  Still, freeing up Joe Root to concentrate on his batting has the potential to mask a lot of other failings (but maybe not the inability to genuinely replace Anderson and Broad).
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    God forbid that England would play like your Yorkshire mob JS 😀
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:20pm
Simon

Chiropractors fined for seeing patients while unvaccinated

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/chiropractors-fined-seeing-patients-while-unvaccinated

6 May 2022 – from Feb 2022, not even at the height of the burn all the witches zero covid hysteria.

Is Luxon still impatient with the unjaxxed? Clown.

Fascism by people who cant make the trains run on time. Supported by National.
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May 13, 2022 8:11am
- Surely Knott
  
  And the Covid order never gives a proper definition of “Vaccinated.” or what a vaccine does.
  The purpose of the order is ” to prevent, and limit the risk of, the outbreak or spread of COVID-19 by requiring certain work to be carried out by affected persons who are vaccinated and have received a booster dose.”
  Well that clearly didn’t work.
  
  And for vaccinated they define it as having taking all scheduled covid vaccines no mention of immunity. But how can you schedule a vaccine that medsafe will not fully approve?
  
  Compare that to the Health immunisation regulations 1995 law. Where they specifically link immunisation to the term vaccination. They define vaccinator as “any medical practitioner or other person who may lawfully administer to any child the vaccinations required to promote IMMUNITY against the diseases for the time being specified in the National Immunisation Schedule.”
  
  Vaccinations promote immunity. Covid vaccines do not.
  PS. 23 years old tradie had a heart attack on site last week.
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:35am
- Harry Knuts
  
  it’s called making an example of the rule breakers, regardless there were thousands in many professions breaking the rules as the rules weren’t logical to many. Many contradictions. This is Labour and the govt depts flexing their muscles with fines. Now NZ is in the hold they have to claw back the $$’s somehow. Perhaps these fines are a new kinda “tax”.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:43am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Did you notice they are looking for more people to come forward? That way they can increase the fines on the chiropractors.
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:17pm
Souvlaki

I know I’m not alone believing Luxons seeming indifference to co-governance is costing Nats considerable support. Q: are National clandestinely in Chris Finlaysons camp..???
Good article below from Chris Trotter:
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/05/getting-on-with-co-governance-without.html?m=1
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May 13, 2022 8:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What are you talking about, Luxon says he and most NZers do not know what co_governance is, why the hell would you listen to a wounded leftie ? He has ruled out 3 waters, separatist services for a few, the rest he says he can not comment on, Findlayson apparently is doing work for clients, those clients could only be Iwi, give Luxon some respect that he has not given co governance any life as far as the Nats go. Clearly something going on in Labour, and co governance is creating a divide, Nats eill know this, let’s wait to see what happens
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:19am
  - Hebe123
    
    It’s his job to comment on them. Be an opposition Ffs.
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:40am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      His point is what is he commenting on? He has commented on : waters and separatist services, but what is the rest? We don’t bloody know, as usual rotten Labour hiding behind this, I suggest a shit storm is coming in Labour, Cindy’s hiding for 10 days after returning from Japan, and her missing in action this week and I suggest that is orchestrated, is a bit of a give away
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:12am
      - Hebe123
        
        He need to come out straight up and say that we do not support separatism in any services, we support provision of services on the basis of need and we do not support giving proprietary rights over water assets to the bros.
        
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        May 13, 2022 12:27pm
      - Paulus
        
        She is at home doing her CV for her trip to the UN in New York very shortly.
        Her VIP plane is being cleaned for her trip – who is going with her – looks like Jessie is being superceded on TVNZ, and where is Tova ?
        Do they need new outfits for the trip – but Jessie has been asking some serious question of Her recently with no real answers – so she may not be going shopping in Fiffth Avenue this time.
        
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        May 13, 2022 1:47pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      To be fair to Luxon, it’s hard to make specific comments on nebulous ideas.
      
      If co-governance means local Iwi representatives in the management of National Parks, then I have no objection, if it means ownership of water or some kind of parallel government with veto rights, then I’m absolutely opposed to it.
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:22am
      - Hebe123
        
        Well he can say that then. Not that hard was it.
        
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        May 13, 2022 12:28pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Maybe he could ask for a firm definition of “co-governance” and then object on that basis. I don’t think any possible definition is acceptable.
        
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        May 13, 2022 12:51pm
      - James Stephenson
        
        I’m proud to be completely unelectable, Hebe
        
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        May 13, 2022 3:01pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        To Hebe 123 below, Luxon is already saying that ffs, no 3 waters, and no separatist services
        
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        May 13, 2022 3:50pm
  - leoj
    
    “the rest he can not comment on” – why not?
    “The Nats will know this” – the Nats are proving to be totally woke and weak. They have so much ammunition but they are silent.
    “Wait and see” The guns should be blazing.
    They’re lost!
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Tell us then apart from 3 waters, and their wish for seperate services for Māori which Luxon has ruled out, what more is their to co governance, do you know? Because Labour have kept this secret as fucken usual
      
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      May 13, 2022 3:52pm
- peterwn
  
  Polls do not seem to indicate an erosion of support recently. Chris L will be getting the feel of the landscape before deciding on a definitive approach.
  Perhaps you could have a meeting in a phone box with the others who believe support for National is eroding.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:23am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Support not ” eroding”…but not as great as it could be.
    Claiming ” not to know what co- governance is”…is a completely limp wristed , fence sitting exercise that a lot of people see through. Of course we know what co- governance means as proposed!
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:32am
    - Local Miller
      
      Luxon is not asking what co-governance is, he’s asking what Liebour mean by co-governance, a very different question. With this he is giving Liebour rope to later hang them with.
      Keep in mind that Jacina’s favorite tactic is to hide behind words. If she doesn’t define co-governance it can mean anything she wants later, like: “We already have co-governance because me have Maori in parliament and at caucus” as opposed to 50/50 control.
      
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      May 13, 2022 9:13am
      - Matt Long
        
        He should be defining co governance in the public square, framing the issue and owning the debate. Not leaving all that up to Labour and their team of 55 million.
        Either he believes middle NZ is in favour of co-governance, or he is being deliberately obtuse and hiding his agenda.
        
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        May 13, 2022 9:21am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        Correct. If Labour don’t define it, it plays into National’s hands. People don’t like the unknown and will naturally or subconsciously think the worst.
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:09am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Matt
        Yes. If they won’t define it, define it for them, and define it in the worst possible terms. Paint it as the worst idea imaginable, and then argue against that. Thus, “co-governance” is defeated in the public consciousness, no matter what Labour actually mean by the term. It is reasonable to suggest that a large majority do not want co-governance in any degree.
        
        The left do exactly this with the word “racism”, which they tacitly present as, basically, “being genocidal towards all non-Whites.” This is how they present the concept, because it scares people, but they actually think that racism is simply “accepting that there are differences between races,” which is an eminently reasonable and demonstrable viewpoint. However, they can’t win the anti-racism battle with such a benign definition, so they mischaracterise those who hold that view.
        
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        May 13, 2022 1:03pm
      - mawm
        
        RR – Correct. Define it as the worst possible thing out and then have Labour backpedaling from now until the election.
        
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        May 13, 2022 2:58pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’ll be seeing Christopher Luxon on Sunday, so I’ll ask him 😉
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:37am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Tony: Please report the one word (yes or no) answer you receive.
      Much appreciated, thank you
      
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      May 13, 2022 8:58am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Can you ask him why he has me blocked on FB when I have only posted to him once congratulating him on his leadership? Something must have happened by mistake
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        More than likely someone on your friends has disagreed with a post and complained to the mods.
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:44am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    “getting a feel of the landscape”…..worries me. National needs to have a principled position on such a major constitutional issue – not one derived by putting a finger in the air.
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:40am
    - bjools
      
      Timing is everything…if the election was this Nov. and not next…I would agree.
      BUT 18 months is enough time for any impact to fade.
      Look at Bidens disaster in Afghanistan…people died and some are still trapped….BUT the news lately…..???
      Another part of history…..
      
      Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
      Napoleon Bonaparte ·
      and Labour are.
      After the mistake Napoleon then attacked (after the mistake) and won easily.
      
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      May 13, 2022 8:59am
    - peterwn
      
      All in good time. Chris L will no doubt announce where National stands on this at the most politically appropriate time. In the meantime he can probe Jacinda and co as to their stance so he is well prepared.
      
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      May 13, 2022 9:48am
      - leoj
        
        “Probe Jacinda”
        Then we are all screwed.
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:22am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      If they don’t know what secretive Labour has planned then it’s hardly putting the finger up, they can’t oppose what they don’t know, they have opposed 3 waters and separatist services for a few. With Jackson saying it’s nothing to be worried about is hardly good enough for us the people .
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:30am
      - leoj
        
        Letting Labour set the terms of the debate is the surest way of losing.
        Grab the bull by the horns and make Labour feel extremely uncomfortable.
        The Rotorua council backdown: Where was Luxon?
        Nowhere. Weak, woke, wet and slow.
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:25am
    - cmm
      
      Correct.
      
      We’re moving into a phase where people will be looking out for a strong leader.
      
      Strong leaders to not hang back feeling the landscape. They show boldness. They show vision.
      
      They CREATE the landscape.
      
      Sitting back and feeling the landscape is weak and wishy-washy. Cindy already owns that space. Luxon cannot beat Cindy on that playing field (with or without a t).
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Boldness’ You mean like Trump pre 2016?
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:47am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      One of the National Party’s values is this:
      
      Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
      
      Is that principled enough for you? Luxon has stated several times in interviews since he became leader that National stands for one standard of citizenship for all Kiwis.
      
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      May 13, 2022 1:43pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s ironic the Nat losing support theory as they got the first time since Feb 2020 they cross the 40% threshold, Luxon will know stuff we don’t, but I do understand his line that we don’t know what Co Governance is outside 3waters and separatist services which he has ruled out
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Wait and see the result of the Tauranga bye election in a few weeks time.
    It may well tell us a lot of what is happening in itself.
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:49pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I don’t like the fact that greens and MP are not standing, NZF will jump in and strip a little more away from Nats, I think ACT should step aside and give a two horse race, it would be such an embarrassment if the most hated government in a long time wins a seat they haven’t had for 90 plus years
      
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      May 13, 2022 3:59pm
- Swifty
  
  RNZ should either be sold, abolished or made subscription only.
  
  They have become, like many state-owned institutions, open advocates for one side of the aisle only.
  
  They’ve lost all sense of balance.
  
  They, and their supporters, claim they are a taonga, a highly-valued part of the social fabric of New Zealand.
  
  Well, way past time we put that claim to the test. Make RNZ subscription only and let’s see how much the public actually value their offering.
  
  And, just as or even more importantly, return at least part of the media landscape to a level playing field – instead of the current situation where the left have a built-in advantage through taxpayer subsidy.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:26am
  - mandk
    
    Sell it.
    
    There’s no justification for having state-owned media nowadays.
    
    If the government wants to communicate with the public, it can buy air time from radio stations.
    
    It can also make a condition of licenses that broadcasts can be broken into in the case of natural emergencies.
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:50am
    - David Garrett
      
      mandk: Quite so…as the gummint is already doing on the rock station I listen to…God some of those pro-vax ads are sick making…If I was a Maori I would deeply resent being spoken at as if I was a child. Those aimed at PI’s are even worse.
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:27am
  - bjools
    
    If they had interest in balance and accountability.
    Sell it and TV2 to Fox.
    That’ll stir things up.
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:04am
  - peterwn
    
    Chris L will be facing a RNZ and TVNZ wrapped up into one and a hopelessly compromised NZ on Air. Again he will deal with this at a politically expedient time.
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:50am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Its a bit of a long read
    https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/i-criticized-blm-then-i-was-fired
    
    Top guy fired for not going with “”the narrative”” at a news organization even tho his research contradicted “”the narrative””
    
    ie Group think replaces facts and science..
    
    Now where have I read that before.
    
    NZ Government/cabinet MOH lackies.??!!
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:58am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    At age 73 I have exhibited some aspects of “grumpy old man syndrome”.
    In an attempt to cure that syndrome I have stopped watching taxpayer funded Tv and listening to taxpayer funded radio. It has been a good start, but there is still a long way to go.
    News, particularly on this site, of yet another right royal governmental stuff up of the highest order, does little good for my mental health.
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  So ordinary people who question the authority of co-governance are “sour right” and “losers” – according to Mr Finlayson.
  Be very careful, National Party. Your credibility is on the line here.
  Do you really need ex-cabinet ministers pushing this sort of divisive rhetoric?
  Unless you agree with it of course.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:28am
  - Swifty
    
    Finlayson speaks for himself Gravel, not National.
    
    I like Finlayson, but I just don’t follow his argument on this issue.
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:33am
    - chukar
      
      Finlayson is a disciple of Doug Graham, the minister who let the settlement industry get away in NZ.
      Not Nationals finest hours!
      
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      May 13, 2022 9:19am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Anyone reading that associates Finlayson with National. There more self-sabotage stupidity from them.
      It is bad enough for them with Luxon’s fence-sitting and brain-fade let alone the retired team adding to the fire.
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:04am
      - mawm
        
        I liked the rapid strong contradictory response to Finlayson by Luxon. He’s showing such leadership! //s
        
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        May 13, 2022 3:07pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Its the line his paymasters in Ngai Tahu want pushed maybe? He worked as a lawyer for them pre-entry to politics and reveled in pursuing government aggressive on their behalf.
      
      Frankly his view is clouded on the matter in my view.
      
      Anyone who thinks the Treaty meant partnership between Maori chiefs leading up to 10 or 20,000 people max and a Queen presiding over an empire with millions and millions of subjects is kidding themselves.
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:08am
      - Jack5
        
        Finlayson did a great job for Ngai Tahu when he was their legal advocate. He got them a sweetheart deal with first rights to South Island State assets being sold – first rights in perpetuity, for ever!
        
        Later the Crown deal with Ngai Tahu was topped up with another $190 million. This was on “relativity” issues with settlements to other tribes.
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:30am
  - Yabster
    
    he was always a limp wristed liberal- seems to be too many in the Nats currently.
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Today’s Emmerson cartoon is of him as a greenstone wearing yoga teacher and the message is follow his advise , that’s the modern way .
    
    Seems a Nat is OK as long as he’s gone off the reservation.
    
    But at least good to know the author doesn’t believe in democracy . I wonder what NZME editorial policy is publishing such anti democratic trash.
    
    And again the other day Emmerson presented a personification of covid with a very sinister looking nose ready to gobble up the budget . Put me in mind of the type of cartoon drawn in the ’30’s Germany .
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Don’t forget Findlayson has left the party, we have to stop listening to past MPs that left disgruntled, look at Bolger, what a stupid kid fool he has become, you do not hear any Nat quoting him
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:17am
- Mobile Michael
  
  Probably keeping their powder dry as the election is 18 months away. Let Hobson’s Promise, et al fight the good fight and take the hits from our media for now. Then, when it’s right before the actual election period (that phony campaign period) release an explicit policy refuting He Puapua as an approach and watch Labour crumble as it has nowhere to go except compete with the Greens on co-governance.
  
  If Brash had given the Orewa Speech in July 2005 instead of January 2004 he would have been Prime Minister in November. Luxon will have taken note.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    release an explicit policy refuting He Puapua as an approach
    The trouble with playing the delay game is that folks are daily building a case for co-governance and the MSM is publishing everything to support them.
    
    It’s time to put aside false narratives about Te Tiriti and democracy, so we can actually realise the promise of both, and become a more equal country. Many of us may have grown up with these falsehoods that keep inequalities in place.
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/commitments-to-equality-in-te-tiriti-mean-co-governance
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:55am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Love the gaslighting when they say “its time to put aside false narratives about Te Tiriti and democracy”!
      The nerve of it , just so blatant.
      
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      May 13, 2022 9:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m very interested in which false narratives about Te Tiriti and democracy I’ve been exposed to.
        
        Perhaps I shouldn’t have been reading all those columns by Dame Anne & Dame Claudia, let alone all that history from Ranginui Walker.
        
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        May 13, 2022 10:50am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        That article is logical nonsense. They argue that article 1 and article 2 guarantee self-governance for Pakeha and Maori respectively (i.e. governance over their own people). It says nothing about co-governance – Maori governing Pakeha, and Pakeha governing Maori
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:27am
      - Paulus
        
        The media would not allow any adverse comment re the Treaty to be aired – that is actually what they were specifically paid for.
        
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        May 13, 2022 1:52pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Until He Puapua is the co governance policy, then we still don’t know what co governance is, not point beating ya chest, let’s force these clowns to tell us before the election, we can always throw you never told us all these other things before 2030, you can’t be trusted
      
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      May 13, 2022 11:05am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Good point, snd Key was right there Brash was forging his way, as you say it may well have been a mistake to go early on his Orewa speech, Key will know if support was lost or momentum slowed, this is why it is ridiculous to ask Nats for firm policy now, something the desperate media are trying, they will have a plan, Luxon has said, no full policy announcements before the end of this year or early next year. The tax policy is not just bracket creep, I am told it’s only part of the tax policy
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:03am
- Nickc2
  
  I hate to say this but I think Luxon may be right in wanting Labour to explain what they mean by Co-Governance. By doing so, National can then vigorously attack Labour’s definition and intention. IMO, not to do so would provide ammunition to Labour to attack National on the grounds that what they are attacking in no way resembles Labour’s intended outcome.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:40am
  - Souvlaki
    
    There’s an excellent chance Ardern will IGNORE Luxon’s plaintive wimpering for a “discussion”. Then what? He’s rapidly loosing the initiative.
    The old saying “faint heart never won the fair lady” springs to mind.
    Man up & put a line definitively in the sand FFS!
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:04am
    - Local Miller
      
      If Ardern ignores Luxon’s call to discuss, she gives him ammunition to attack her with, as in “why won’t you work with the opposition on this given it affects all parties?”
      
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      May 13, 2022 9:19am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Oh right, yes I can see how that would neuter the He Puapua agenda and swing another 10% in behind the Nats – NOT!
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:11am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Yes, it is definitely well past time for Luxon to man up. So far the only message from him seems to be that he is all for duel everything.
      In the meantime the separatist plan is gaining more legs and acceptance every day.
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:10am
    - Nickc2
      
      Lines in the sand are fine when you can easily identify what’s in no man’s land.
      
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      May 13, 2022 10:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What do you want him to do? Blow his fuse over something that may well not be fact? Collins tried that, and she dropped from 30% to 25% in the polls, it’s a delicate situation, Luxon has put the ball in her court, all he has to do is say tell us what you are hiding every dingle time the issue arises
      
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      May 13, 2022 11:08am
      - septic skeptic
        
        And all Labour have to do is NOT tell you what they are hiding and just get on with it.
        
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        May 13, 2022 11:40am
  - westernScientist
    
    Unless labour can successfully shape the narrative in heads of the mindless centre before he ever speaks up. The MSM are pumping out positive press and treating it as a forgone conclusion already, if he waits too long, there wont be a discussion to be had.
    
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    May 13, 2022 10:28am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Agree. Remember how sitting back biding their time worked for Labour with CGT. When Cindy finally came out of her corner it was just to throw in the towel.
      
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      May 13, 2022 11:43am
- Tom Hunter
  
  After reading some comments here I went to check out that RNZ podcast because I couldn’t believe that Finlayson would say things like that.
  
  Turns out he did. Also check out what his former Cabinet mate, Wayne Mapp, has to say in the comments on this post, which is exactly what I expected from him.
  
  I wonder how many more there are like this in National?
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:13pm
  - Batman
    
    Heaps, because National members and MPs are not representative of a fringe section of the base that is extremely triggered by imagined culture wars.
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:32pm
G152

Just when you thought the clowns had quit for the year this sort of thing appears in the fake news.
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The officer in charge of the search for Tom Phillips and his kids appears on TV show Aotearoa Ten 7 asking the dad to come out of the bush before winter arrives.

Theres just so many TV sets in the bush hes bound to see that
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May 13, 2022 8:18am
- David Garrett
  
  G152: Fair point re TV’s in the bush…but I suspect the pleas are actually aimed at people who the cops are pretty sure are helping the guy avoid detection.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:29am
  - G152
    
    I forgot to remind readers that it was broadcast on fake news
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some talk yesterday about if Trump wins, he can only have one term. Not sure, but I think in the Constitution it says two ‘consecutive’ terms. That would mean he could run again in 2028.
Somebody with more knowledge may throw some more light on this. I may be wrong.
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May 13, 2022 8:22am
- Swifty
  
  Thanks, have been wondering that myself.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  Don’t get ahead of yourself.
  That sort of talk reminds minds me of a rugby World Cup years ago when an argument broke out over who would pay for the ABs victory parade.
  They were knocked out in the quarter finals.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:39am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Who’s going to beat him Cosy – the old coot, Harris, Butt”a-few-kegs”, AOC, Bernie or are they going to exhume Hillary.
    
    The Democrats have a tail that starts at their opening pair and come 2024 they’ll be on a green seamer having lost the toss and being sent in.
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:24am
    - mawm
      
      But they do know how to cheat enough now. Poor old Hillary lost out because they were not geared to cheat enough to get her over the line. I think a wee bit more than 81 million will be needed this time. That’s lots of mules, and lots of preprinted, filled in, uncreased ballots at 0300h.
      
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      May 13, 2022 3:18pm
- All_on_Red
  
  https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:53am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Twenty second amendment may be used to get rid of the clumsy no hopers Sleepy Joe Biden
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:26am
- Biscuit
  
  No, no, no, Steve.
  
  This is the INTERNET.
  
  None of this ‘I may be wrong’ balderdash.
  
  Stand up and holler: ‘I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!’ and follow it up with a slur or 69 against anyone proclaiming otherwise.
  
  Re Mr Trump:
  
  No, a President can not serve a third term whether the terms are consecutive or not. The 22nd Amendment of the United States Constitution enacted after Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected President for a fourth term, imposes a two-term limit on Presidential candidates and was established to formalize a tradition George Washington started by refusing to run for a third term in 1796.
  
  The 22nd Constitutional Amendment states that no person elected President and no person to hold the office of President for more than two years is allowed to be elected more than once more. It makes no difference whether the two terms are consecutive.
  
  Here is the 22nd Amendment as stated in the United States Constitution:
  Section 1: No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
  Section 2: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.”
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, if Trump wins 2024 he can only serve 4 years. It is confusing but I got it now. The only thing that could happen is an amendment to the 22nd, not likely with the current losers.
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I posted the ‘may be wrong’ to get a response from those here that know different, Biscuit. It worked, and thanks everyone for commenting
    
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    May 13, 2022 2:43pm
  - jgw739
    
    Interesting reading the actual Amendment.
    
    So hypothetically, Trump in 2028 could still run and be elected VP. The new President could bow out early, leaving him as President without being ‘elected’.
    
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    May 13, 2022 7:15pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Steve Otto only if he lives that long he’s no spring chicken.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And Biden who reckons he will stand next term is ?
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He does not drink alcohol, does not smoke, doesn’t even drink coffee. However, he eats maccas and drinks diet coke.
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oh, he is 76 soon. I expect to still be going out on my boat and catching snapper ($61 per kilo now) when his age. I am 70 soon.
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:54pm
    - Hebe123
      
      What’s the fuel cost per snapper caught these days 🤣🤣
      
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      May 13, 2022 7:56pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  Yes, you are correct. It is two consecutive terms. Obama could run again if he wanted to.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No he can’t
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nope. Read the 22nd A. It is a bit confusing, but if you unpack it the meaning is there.
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:20pm
- covfefe
  
  Bill Barr said that he could only serve one term which is an argument against him standing – as they need 12 years as Ronnie and then Bush 41 had to recover from the disastrous Carter years.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hmm, we all thought it’s two terms, have they had a prez do a term, snd come back later and win? What happened in that situation? I seem to remember presidents have done more than one term, did Rosevelt not die part way through his third term ? He may have had war time law changes perhaps
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It seems Trump can only serve 4 more years unless the is an amendment to the 22nd.
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:10pm
- curry4me
  
  No, it is two terms end of story. There was a constitutional amendment after WWII.
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:13pm
  - Batman
    
    It also means you cannot be a candidate for the Vice Presidency, for perhaps obvious reasons!
    
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    May 13, 2022 2:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Probably Batman. I guess two terms as POTUS you could not run for VP.
      What happens now if Biden passes? Harris becomes POTUS (fuck that) But if something should happen to Harris, Pelosi (House drinker) becomes POTUS. Jesus H Christ NOOOOOOOOOO
      
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      May 13, 2022 2:51pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I am sure Hillary has this buzzing in her mind…….
        
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        May 13, 2022 2:52pm
Bridgenag

One of the Blokes at bowls has a daughter in a posh apartment block in the city near The Pullman. Wednesday night there was a huge fight in the street outside 1.30a.m. and she called the police. They took her details and said they would get back to her and said they knew about it as others had called in the problem. They did not turn up for an HOUR In the meantime the tall white parking poles had been ripped out …….. The police did not get back to her. A ruckus again last night 3am apparently on the other side of the building. The building full of Cindyites now talking about getting security which their building and The Pullman could pay for…… The result of underpaid, undermanned police, kindness to the gangs and hoods etc in combination with weak sentencing I’m guessing.
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May 13, 2022 8:36am
- alex Masterley
  
  Probably Northern Club members having an argument about whose responsibility the bar bill was…
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:51am
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    lol
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:12am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol Alex, but I doubt it. There is no bill at the Northern Club that is considered anything more than chump change…….
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:04pm
- OlderChas
  
  Many years back when I moonlighted as a barman a large brawl broke out in Vulcan Lane outside the premises after closing time. I called police and we watched fearfully through the windows as people smashed, bashed and kicked each other outside. About an hour later when it was all over and only a couple of bodies were left laying on the ground two coppers turned up. We opened the doors and talked to them noting that we had called over an hour ago and where had they been? The older cop asked how many there had been brawling. Told him 50 to 60 and he asked – so 30 against 30 then? I agreed and he asked – and how many of us do you see? Two I responded. Yes laddie he told me – so if we had hurried it would have changed to 60 against two. Why would we rush in to that? I agreed that was a fair question and offered them a beer.
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bwhahaha, wise ole copper head, I must admit I have been to Vulcan lane several times over the years when visiting Auckland CBD, never seen trouble their when going to the Occidental, but thought the land would be a of being a scary place to be if all hell broke lose, last time we went over to the Queens Wharf, they have great music there and as we had been to the cure concert, we decided yo take it in, got there, bouncer came down the back and said you are not safe here, we said why, he pointed at the young Mordi at our bar leaner, I turned to them in front of the bouncer and asked the scariest young fella, are you happy for us old white pricks to be sitting here, he said yes, all hood boss, from then on I knew we were safe, and the bouncer was gobsmackrd, but the full was no set yo his word, and we left safely at 4.30 AM
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:38am
- Stellaboxer
  
  The tourists will be itching for a taste of that experience Bridgenag lol.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

Now why would Waka Kotahi/ Transport NZ need 88 Public Relations/Comms staff?

Is Waka Kotahi a finishing school for redundant MSM Journos?

the transport agency has more than 80 public relations staff – 65 of whom earn $100,000 or more.

Since 2017, Waka Kotahi NZ Transport Agency has more than doubled its PR team from 32 staff to 88.

Since 2019, the transport agency has spent $145 million on consultants, covering things like the environment and planning, versus just $200 million on actual construction.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/am-hosts-hit-out-at-surge-in-pr-staff-at-waka-kotahi-10-000-spend-on-road-to-zero-signs.html
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May 13, 2022 8:37am
- MCōs
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Obviously they’re anticipating a change of government.
  They’ll need the best people available to convince a skeptical population that some of the promised ultra expensive roads/tunnels/bridges are off the agenda after all because the money’s needed for new prisons, charter schools . . . . . .
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:01am
  - Yabster
    
    change of Governmaent and that deadwood tax burden will be sacked!
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  And here’s another reason why the Media pardy are so pro left wing big spending regimes .
  
  They can get big paying jobs across the public service.
  
  And why they hate the right . They need to keep their jobs , so constant attacks on right and right policies to keep the dumb swing voter on side .
  
  And by attcking the right and being “right on” with left policy such as gender , climate , race etc you can prove your credentials , improve your CV and ensure you keep your nose in the trough full of borrowed tax payer money.
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:58am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Maggy and the roads are in a worse condition than I can remember. Sort of representative of the entire government
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:14am
- cmm
  
  The NZ Transport Agency also sees fit to sponsor NGOs, including that organisation that keep going on about how NZ has terrible slavery.
  
  Getting a government job is about entrenching yourself in wokeness – not actually building roads etc.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:17am
- curry4me
  
  That wouldn’t surprise me. PR is probably more lucrative than coding, or installing solar panels.
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:17pm
- chukar
  
  Simple, they are having a name change,
  All bureaucracy including local government use of spin doctors has been booming!
  Why – because they want to tell voters / ratepayers /taxpayers what they should be doing rather than doing the things those paying want.
  
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  May 13, 2022 6:44pm
Maggie Pie

MAHUTA INC.

https://twitter.com/Coltheman1/status/1524688988673437697

OMG…. the replies! 😀
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May 13, 2022 8:44am
pdm

Is there a Taxpayers Union or Free Speech Union Curia Poll due?
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May 13, 2022 8:45am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Speaking of polls, why hasn’t the Curia poll average in the sidebar been updated for 18 months?
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:05am
Swifty

The easiest decision one could make all year:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/immigration/300584533/pakistani-man-loses-deportation-appeal-after-falsely-claiming-to-be-gay

A gentleman who has been shown to have repeatedly lied to us to gain residency?

Out! Immediately!

The last thing New Zealand needs is more liars, fraudsters and cheats.

Out!
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May 13, 2022 8:48am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yes, but I applaud his attempt and initiative – clearly this man has worked out how to fit seamlessly into aotearoa’s current social milieu…
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:59am
- pdm
  
  `The last thing New Zealand needs is more liars, fraudsters and cheats.’
  
  Well that is probably Golriz and `The Mex’ headed home to Iran and Mexico respectively.
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:03am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    If only
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:28pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Good job Ian Lees-Galloway is no longer making these decisions.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:50am
Muttonbird

White Nationalists in Tauranga (where else?) force the Maori Party to withdraw from the Tauranga by election.

Welcome to Aotearoa!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/te-p-ti-m-ori-won-t-stand-candidate-at-tauranga-by-election-due-to-safety-issue.html
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May 13, 2022 8:58am
- skyblue
  
  Heaps of black scum around TGA also.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh, so no greens, no Māori, I smell a rat, time for Seymour to do the same
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:41am
  - skyblue
    
    Oh, so no greens, no Māori, I smell a PARADISE.
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:47pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am talking about them standing aside for Labour to sweep all the left votes
      
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      May 13, 2022 4:03pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Kinda Like white folks not being around Rotorua after dark Mutts.
  
  It’s another stunt by the clown show that is the Maori party.
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:03pm
- kowtow
  
  Fake news . Fake excuse .
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:06pm
- than
  
  “Threats and hate speech from residents”
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/te-p-ti-m-ori-president-won-t-apologise-after-act-s-tauranga-candidate-demanded-one-for-spreading-misinformation-about-the-city.html
  
  Maybe they just received a backlash from spreading misinformation about the city and received nothing that’s actually hateful but would rather slander everyone further to make them appear correct?
  
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  May 13, 2022 5:44pm
Frank the tank

Sooooo after 12 months of ignoring the elephant in the room economists and economic commentators have belatedly accepted we are headed for recession.

Even the moron-at-large at the Horrid, Corin’s demented brother is acknowledging it (though trying to spin it as a good thing – FMD). The game is up when bank economists start claiming it given in part they are paid to be optimistic about the economy.

What no-one is saying but they must know, is it isn’t just recession it is economic stagflation we are about to get. Inflation and supply-chain shortages are still getting worse and the Ukrainian War starts biting. Petroleum as a raw material has doubled in price for US-based suppliers. Nobody can be fu*ked supplying the asshole of the world from shipping companies to US/EU Multinationals that are looking to consolidate offices to Sydney/Melbourne.

As for the demented belief that Tourism will come back quickly belies the fact that of our three main tourist locations – Auckland CBD, Rotorua and Queenstown, 2 resemble downtown Mogadishu and the later is only half open like a modern day Ghost Town. Imagine the first tourist bus from California to Vegas that gets a live rendition of Once for Warriors or a Cruise Ship docking into Auckland that has to warn passengers than mask usage still applies if they want to shop.

Congratulations are in order to Poor Man’s Gordon Brown – he did it – he broke Boxer’s back and killed the economy. It’s a fair achievement and will cement Grunter’s legacy for years to come and make it easy for Mahuta or the Hallensteins’ sales assistant to roll him following a landslide defeat in 2023.
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May 13, 2022 8:59am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Might be far worse than a recession
  Ukraine invasion: Expert says New Zealand should be preparing for nuclear war
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:25pm
  - Niz
    
    Nuclear war is the least of our worries – we’re in the middle of a climate crisis!
    
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    May 13, 2022 5:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hitler reacts to Musk buying Twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxm3LcHq6J4
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May 13, 2022 9:00am
- curry4me
  
  Thanks, those parodies are always good for a laugh.
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shitloads on YouTube. Even Downfall parodies of YouTube taking down the parodies.
    
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    May 13, 2022 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go Hmmm….

‘The Biden Administration has opened an investigation into Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s business dealings in relation to his $44 Billion purchase of Twitter’

https://conservativebrief.com/elon-3-62763/
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May 13, 2022 9:02am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Business as usual, lawfare against those that do no kowtow to the regime.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I hear there is a baby formula shortage.
Now is the time for all the pregnant men to start donating breast milk……..
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May 13, 2022 9:23am
- Maggie Pie
  
  it’s ‘…..birthing people’
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:30am
  - Biscuit
    
    I’ll get slapped down here, Mags, but I’ve seen a few pregnant folk in my time to whom the term ‘berthing people’ would have been equally-appropriate!
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:56am
    - G152
      
      Whales. Tugs are berthing people
      
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      May 13, 2022 11:26am
- bjools
  
  or they could just go to the Southern border and get the many pallets of formula reserved for illegal immigrants.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:17am
  - Batman
    
    Ahhh yes, the racist dog whistle of the week.
    
    Tell me, how are mother’s in an immigration detention centre (which you can’t leave) meant to feed their babies if they cannot breastfeed?
    
    How does that compare to other families that can freely shop around for product as they see fit?
    
    Next, how has some stock being bought by immigration impacted the national supply? Is there any evidence of any impact?
    
    Next, care to outline why the Trump administration whacked a 17% tariff on baby formula and actively worked against imported formula, including from NZ?
    
    Or, should brown babies just starve for political reasons?
    
    Is this whole claim just racist, or disgustingly racist?
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:43pm
    - bjools
      
      answer
      don’t come in the first place…..it is ILLEGAL
      but they can’t shop around, there are none on the shelves, but they are a the border.
      us citizens have a RIGHT to expect to be first in the queue, we would here.
      TRUMP hahaha….. tariffs on China mainly, but under Trump there was plenty under Biden shortage…
      you are the only one bringing race into this.
      
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      May 13, 2022 5:44pm
    - leoj
      
      As usual, you miss the main point.
      They are ILLEGALS.
      Send them back to their own country and have their government look after them.
      
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      May 13, 2022 5:58pm
- skyblue
  
  Can anal sex make you pregnant?
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Behahahahahaga, up da bum no babies
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:42am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Where do you think Labor candidates come from?
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Savage!
      
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      May 13, 2022 12:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That would be Labour, as well?
      
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      May 13, 2022 4:19pm
  - bjools
    
    God’s birth control loop hole?
    
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    May 13, 2022 5:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Maori Party won’t stand a candidate in Tauranga because of threats from white supremacists.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/467012/te-pati-maori-says-it-will-not-stand-a-candidate-in-tauranga-by-election

Seems a lame excuse…and I seriously doubt that they will offer the same excuse at the General Election.

Basically the Maori Party is admitting that if threatened they will not put up a candidate…. That of course plays into the hands of anonymous threatening bullies.

Seems a hopeless way to run a political party.
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May 13, 2022 9:37am
- Cassandra
  
  My BS detector says BS. Maori Party trying (and failing) to avoid embarrassment.
  
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  May 13, 2022 9:52am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Nobody is threatening the Māori party . It’s a cheap publicity stunt. They know they haven’t a snow ball in hells chance of a result and in fact may be humiliated so they turn themselves as usual into victims of the racist white man. Evidence that the constituency is a hot bed of white supremacy as opposed to any other place would be nice but don’t hold your breathe.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:25am
  - Nickc2
    
    Exactly! They are after some cheap publicity whilst making the MSM bad-mouth white people.
    PS: Perhaps Tauranga Maori are not Maori enough for the type of candidate the Maori party wants?
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:10pm
    - kowtow
      
      MSM = Fake news .
      
      Bigly.
      
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      May 13, 2022 2:22pm
- Muttonbird
  
  I think it says a lot about Tauranga and the Western BOP, to be honest.
  
  I posted the same link above but the mods seem too scared to release it.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:31am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    So not just a “save us from the racists” dog whistle to cover for the fact that they can’t find anyone masochistic enough to campaign for a guaranteed loss.
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:47am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Is that right Muttonbird? So how come that from 1984 to 2022, Tauranga has been represented by an MP with Māori blood, excepting the period 2005 to 2008 when Bob Clarkson unseated Winston Peters? That’s 35 of the last 38 years!
    
    It’s interesting too that the bloke who threatened to kill Simon Bridges and his family and “feed their bodies to the pigs” wasn’t a white supremacist either:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/feed-them-to-the-pigs-te-teko-man-admits-sending-simon-bridges-death-threat/2KNLU3DSTKB3HSHJZGF4A4AXIY/
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:56pm
  - Swifty
    
    That’s a terrible accusation Mutton, you should withdraw that slur.
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:14pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Gosh, I hope everything is kapai within their own unit and the group think is efficient & effective. Wouldn’t want to think any bullying of contrarian individuals might occur
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:47am
- Don Beckett
  
  What an absolute joke – Tauranga has quite a large Maori population. I reckon they’ve tested the waters, and found that they would get very little support.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:08am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Yes, but are they real Maori or useless ones?
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:11am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    When I used to go into Tga on ships there was a huge number of Maori Wharfies. Many in positions of management on the wharf as well
    
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    May 13, 2022 11:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some have ‘left the plantation’ as in Black Americans are doing? Original ‘left the plantation’ comes from Candace Owens
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:32pm
- Jack5
  
  For the Maori Party, anything to stay in the news.
  
  And the Ardernists who pull the subsidised media’s strings seem to have told the papers to keep the 2 per cent party in the headlines.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:11am
- oldfella
  
  Maggy, once were warriors. Not any more.
  I wonder what the real men of the Maori Battalion would have made of these modern day Maori wimps?
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Next movie is “Shutup Ewe”
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:59pm
- RightNow
  
  Once were warriors, not so much now.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, snd I have not heard the greens have a candidate, how will vote splitting go for us now
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:43am
- westernScientist
  
  Are these threats from white supremacists they speak of the threat of loosing to the Nats candidate?
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:50am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Ginny Andersen, MP for Hutt South, mulls getting Moko Kauae 😛

https://twitter.com/ginnyandersen/status/1524855766745722880
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May 13, 2022 9:47am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The comments are a laugh. Try speaking English in Rural France and you’ll find out very fast what people think of you…..
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pouri?
    
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    May 13, 2022 4:02pm
- k1w1
  
  OK I admit it. I find Ginny Andersen kind of hot. I am so ashamed.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:41am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Try the PM of Finland. Like a rich man’s Jaxxie!
    
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    May 13, 2022 8:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Then she is stupid, she is quite a good looking woman, why spoil it, she is part Māori, a small part one suggests
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I didn’t realise until I read this that Ginny Andersen was a relative of Bill Andersen, trade unionist and communist.
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/6a6/andersen-gordon-harold-bill
  
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  May 13, 2022 1:58pm
- bjools
  
  Cultural appropriation?
  
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  May 13, 2022 5:59pm
Nickc2

Victoria University (Wgtn) takes it upon themselves to describe Co-Governance. IMO, it’s a load of shit! They’re using a different ToW as a reference to the one I use, or they’re making shit up to suit their own narrative. The first giveaway is when they use the word Aotearoa which wasn’t in use in 1840 or if it was, it’s not used in the ToW.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/commitments-to-equality-in-te-tiriti-mean-co-governance/ar-AAXcyLm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=ff97a2425ba14312bc8b833f7f27ceda
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May 13, 2022 9:54am
103PapPap

Here’s a good question to ask Labour.
If we are altering the school curriculum to teach Maori history, and tell the stories of how the Maoris arrived by canoe, how is that be compatable with Maori being indigenous?
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May 13, 2022 9:55am
- MCōs
  
  Indigenous means earliest known inhabitants of a region.
  
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  May 13, 2022 1:18pm
  - Nickc2
    
    FYI, Maori were not the first known inhabitants of NZ!
    
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    May 13, 2022 1:45pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, isn’t that correctly Aboriginal according to the Oxford dictionary.
    
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    May 13, 2022 2:04pm
- Ehlana
  
  Also, how does it “follow the science”?
  Humans started leaving North Africa at least 65 thousand years ago, but Maori arrived in NZ only about 750 years ago. That’s according to the Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03036758.2012.673495).
  
  So about 99% of the history of every Maori descended person alive today took place outside New Zealand.
  
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  May 13, 2022 1:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Not stopping illegals at the wall is intentional. Jim Jordan.
https://rumble.com/v12ryh6-it-has-to-be-intentional-jim-jordan-gives-devastating-assessment-of-bidens-.html?
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May 13, 2022 10:18am
BeaB

The worry is that those who don’t find Luxon absolutely perfect will vote for NZ First or Act and we’ll end up with the absolutely worst again.
I think the best thing we can do is give him overwhelming support and build a momentum that secures a National government.
Look how hamstrung John Key was and mourn what his government might have been able to do with a healthy majority.
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May 13, 2022 10:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No one has said Luxon is perfect, but it’s either Cindy or Luxon as PM after the election
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:45am
- septic skeptic
  
  Key was not hamstrung by anything other than lack of vision and ambition. His objectives were to run the government more efficiently than Labour and change the flag. My impression is that Luxon is cut from the same cloth. If you want meaningful change – vote ACT. If they get enough seats they will make a real difference.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Upper Harbour is my electorate. Candidate National and Party vote Act.
    I think, but may change
    
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    May 13, 2022 12:38pm
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      Change to what? Surely not two ticks yells, cause ACT will not win that seat or any other outside Epsom
      
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      May 13, 2022 4:06pm
  - alloytoo
    
    The Key government’s Fibre to the door program was visionary and ambitious and arguably one of the few things that stood between us and total economic collapse when Cindy shut everything down.
    
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    May 13, 2022 5:44pm
- David Garrett
  
  BeaB: Bollocks…in 2008 Nat+ACT gave a majority of five…but if he had formed a government with us, leaving the Maori Party out, he would have had to do some really worthwhile stuff instead of just run the cutter more efficiently…which he told Rodney a number of times was as far as his ambition went. And it has to be acknowledged that he succeeded in that very modest ambition
  
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  May 13, 2022 5:45pm
Maggie Pie

I’m not one to gossip…but there’s something very odd about this 🙁

Police are renewing their appeal for ‘Marokopa Man’ to bring his kids out of the bush before winter really sets in.

Wonder if this drop-kick is likely to be charged with…. ‘child abuse?’

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1524820479206383617
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May 13, 2022 10:36am
- Nickc2
  
  That would depend on his skin colour/ancestory.
  
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  May 13, 2022 10:49am
- Ra Henare
  
  Simple question Maggie
  Do you believe in freedom of speech and freedom of choice.
  Do you believe in a parents right to educate their children
  
  Or do you see freedom of choice is ok as long as you agree with it
  and the States right to educate your children however they see fit.
  
  This thing about the guy in the bush is hugely amusing from a libertarian point of view.
  Charged with wasting police time…
  It was the Police who decided to waste their time…..
  He hasnt broken any law as far as I can see.
  He is just homeschooling in a different way 🙂 🙂
  
  Let him be.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another George Wilder?
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nobody knows who he is? Shit I am old
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:11pm
- cmm
  
  Child abuse? Why?
  Seems like a nice camping trip. So what if there’s a bit of frost in the morning?
  
  The only way he’s breaking the law is truancy. As Ra says, they’re getting an education of sorts, albeit without a valid homeschooling exemption.
  
  Since 40% of kids wag school on a regular basis, the majority getting up to no good, these kids should be the last thing the cops should be worrying about.
  
  Maybe they could respond to some real crimes.
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:41pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Does nobody else think of the pain & anguish their mother is going thru?
  
  SHEESH.
  
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  May 13, 2022 1:48pm
  - cmm
    
    So how is a mother’s anguish child abuse?
    
    Worst possible crime: making a woman feel sad. Unfortunately not in the Crimes Act, but likely to be included in the Feelz Act (20222).
    
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    May 13, 2022 5:55pm
- Hebe123
  
  What is the custody arrangement?
  
  Frankly, i’m sick of seeing women lie and lie and lie to get full custody of the kids, paid for by the ex husband working while they do everything they can to destroy the kids relationships with their fathers. In many cases the kids are collateral damage as they try to get back at the ex.
  
  As a women I’m disgusted at the behaviour of many women. Seems to me that this guy is building a relationship with his kids and teaching them some useful skills. If they did t want to go with him I can’t imagine he can wrangle 3 of them into the car using force each time.
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:13pm
Jack5

The Herald pointedly and unashamedly takes side in the Peter Ellis case today by publishing, without qualification, an article by a woman telling what she believes happened to her as a pre-school age child in the Christchurch creche case.

The article doesn’t reveal whether she was one of those children who talked of secret tunnels and other bizarre and impossible events at the creche. The allegations included Satanic ritual abuse, and widened to fantastical tales of legal officials and police being involved.

It doesn’t mention that the Christchurch creche hysteria was one of a series of such cases in the Western world, or that interviewing very young children is highly controversial because it may influence their memory of events.

The link below to an article by court reporter Martin van Beynen gives a balance to the Herald’s biased report.

One of the lawyers who follow Kiwiblog might tell us what happened with the post-death appeal against Ellis’s conviction. Has it been extended because of Covid?

Van Beynen on the Crown’s case:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126689717/supreme-court-faces-the-untriable-conundrum-of-peter-ellis-appeal

The Herald’s report of alleged recollections of a creche child:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-he-got-a-jail-term-and-i-got-a-life-sentence-peter-ellis-abuse-survivor-breaks-30-year-silence/V3CWQINCAHCVTTPK3GKHWMSG54/
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May 13, 2022 11:09am
- cmm
  
  I am not a lawyer but there are two issues at stake:
  * Clearing Ellis’ name for the sake of his family, friends and society at large.
  * That the system (cops, teachers, judiciary etc) learns from the episode so that such a travesty (assuming it is) is never repeated again.
  
  Young kids have fertile minds and cannot distinguish reality from their imagination. It is very easy to lead kids to believe they have experienced things they did not.
  
  For example, I gave a personal experience in a previous post: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/07/good_luck.html
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:50pm
Niz

I see Newshub are _still_ running stories on that bloke who said mean things about Nadia. When I got up this morning it was their top story.
Honestly, are they the biggest bunch of pr*cks around?
Whatever, out MSM can’t go broke soon enough as far as I’m concerned.
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May 13, 2022 11:17am
- cmm
  
  Huge sadness that he has not been prosecuted.
  
  What can they really charge him with? Being mean?
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:51pm
Maggie Pie

No shit, Sherlock.

This really is a great piece of investigative work by Tom Cranmer.

https://twitter.com/kehetauhauaga/status/1524256268398911489
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May 13, 2022 11:22am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, agree. It needs a wider audience. And some tough questions from our MSM.
  Oh, well…
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:28am
- westernScientist
  
  Yet we are supposed to be outraged that Luxon was a few days late filing a form.
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:45am
Captain Mainwaring

Is there a more pathetic ‘cartoonist’ in New Zealand than Sharon Murdoch?
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May 13, 2022 11:24am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s not entirely her fault. Women are way less funny on average than men:
  https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/men-really-are-funnier-than-women-and-thats-a-fact-proven-by-a-new-scientific-study-c-533868
  
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  May 13, 2022 11:44am
Captain Mainwaring

So the Maori party isn’t contesting the Tauranga by-election because the racism in Tauranga makes it too dangerous.
Have they considered what might have caused any anti-Maori sentiment that might exist in Tauranga (or anywhere else?)
Cowboy hat tatooed man in Parliament springs to mind.
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May 13, 2022 11:28am
Niz

I’ve just seen a story about the new vaccine passports.
Serious question… When was the last time anyone used a vax passport?
I haven’t been asked to produce mine for months, and if anybody does I suspect they’ll get a rude response.
When will NZ catch up to the rest of the world?
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May 13, 2022 11:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Makes you wonder why the Government is pushing this…
  Are we all meant to be vaxxed to the max before we partake of ordinary life in NZ?
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:14pm
- alloytoo
  
  As I understand it “full vaccinated” now means 3 jabs.
  
  I received an unsolicited email from
  
  covid19@nationaltelehealthservice.co.nz
  
  Inviting me to “Coordinators Event event on Saturday 7th May at the Velodrome Manukau from 9am – 3:00pm Get your 1st and 2nd vaccination or your booster. Vaccination is now available for children ages 5-11 year olds”.
  
  Apparently either Manukau DHB or MOH thought it was a good idea to give them my email address.
  
  One wonders how much money is being wasted on this nonsense for an obsolete vaccine.
  
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  May 13, 2022 5:30pm
Jack5

Ya don’t cross media wimmun!

Simon Henry’s DGL listed on the Stock Exchange about the same time as My Food Bag, and he’s apologised for an ill-judged comment, offensive to some, that he made about the MYB promotion.

It featured Nadia Lim, popular TV chef and columnist, and Henry mentioned her ethnicity.

On Stuff, a reporter tries to corner Henry at his Auckland tennis club after he’s finished his exercise.

The heading over the report and video clip reads: “Watch: Simon Henry flees Nadia Lim questions after tennis session in Auckland.”

Flees? He walked away pointing out through the wire fence that the club was private.

My trusty old Oxford Dictionary’s primary meanings for “flee” are:

1. To run away from, or as from, danger.
2. To withdraw hastily.

Does Henry here look as though he is “fleeing” the reporter from Stuff?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300586492/watch-simon-henry-flees-nadia-lim-questions-after-tennis-session-in-auckland
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May 13, 2022 11:47am
- Muttonbird
  
  Tennis? Perhaps Simon is trying to hook up with those fat, white, work-shy ex-wives at the club!
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:29pm
  - bjools
    
    WOW…..Imagine I’d have said that about Megan Woods
    
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    May 13, 2022 6:05pm
- kevn
  
  @Jack5… None of other MFB founders would be camera fodder.
  
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  May 13, 2022 1:01pm
BeaB

And a language ‘expert ‘ opines his apology wasn’t sufficient – too short, worded wrongly etc etc.
Looked ok to me.
The media have made sure, through constant repetition, that ‘Eurasian fluff’ will instantly come into everyone’s minds whenever they see Nadia Lim.
Why not just say ‘what a dick’ and move on?
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May 13, 2022 12:12pm
- Paulus
  
  Sadly it appear that a number of the people who contract MFB for food bags are not renewing it would appear probably due to inflationary household costing.
  – but I cannot confirm or deny, but am sure it has nothing to do with the stupid comments of a twit.
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Former Defence Minister Ron Mark is off to Ukraine.

https://www.teaomaori.news/former-defence-minister-ron-mark-en-route-ukraine

Удачі
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May 13, 2022 12:25pm
- cmm
  
  He can maybe help change some tyres.
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:31pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Off to help them re-start some Russian trucks, I presume.
  
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  May 13, 2022 12:53pm
slijmbal

While the comments by Simon Hendry about Nadia Lim were utterly stupid and arrogant and racist (I don’t agree they’re misogynistic as they were using her attractiveness to sell the company), I’ve not seen a lot of comment about his entirely accurate summation of what a horrible and greedy IPO the My Food Bag company did.

A major red flag about an IPO is what proportion of the new capital goes to the current shareholders (effectively paying them out) versus what proportion is going into the company. Something like 80% of the funds raised went to the then current shareholders. Red flag, neon flashing, alarm blaring level of alert. The current share price has shown this to be true. Nadia was a minority shareholder and Waterman (a private equity firm) who held the largest proportion of the shares probably drove the process and it’s likely she did not have the experience to understand what was occurring. But she still is the face of My Food Bag.

All that aside. It was a horrible IPO. It is now less than 1/2 the initial listing price. It has always been on a downward trend showing it was very overpriced and oversold. Simon Hendry’s company, even after the recent drop because of his behaviour, has still more than doubled in price since listing. He may be a d**k but his company is a more honest one than My Food Bag based on returns to investors. I would rather invest in DGL than My Food Bag.
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May 13, 2022 1:14pm
- Matt Long
  
  “the drop after his recent behaviour,” are you saying DGL would have avoided the recent and ongoing sell off in equities without his comments?
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:17pm
  - slijmbal
    
    @Matt -” “the drop after his recent behaviour,” are you saying DGL would have avoided the recent and ongoing sell off in equities without his comments?”
    
    The timing very strongly points to it being due to his commentary. It precedes the recent stock market drop
    
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    May 13, 2022 9:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My Food Bag has plenty of competition and doesn’t always have a great track record for delivery on time
  
  2022
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127578279/my-food-bag-labelling-issues-causes-delivery-delays-for-200-customers
  
  2020
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2020/03/30/customers-angry-after-my-food-bag-fails-to-deliver-amid-coronavirus-lockdown/
  
  2017
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/342658/my-food-bag-fails-to-deliver-to-hungry-customers
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:50pm
- greybeard
  
  I reckon Theresa Gattung talked Nadia Lim into going public.
  They got too big too quickly.
  
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  May 13, 2022 6:47pm
cmm

$tuff is falling over itself to tell us that a one day strike by hospital workers is going to cause problems for cancer patients etc.

Any such banners when Cindy shut down the same hospitals for 3 months?

They do have a point though – those meanies are going to put a cloud on Dr Cindy’s big day in the sun.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/128631916/cancer-surgeries-will-be-postponed-if-strike-by-10000-hospital-workers-goes-ahead
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May 13, 2022 1:26pm
- bjools
  
  Any such banners when Cindy shut down the same hospitals for 3 months?
  not just cancer…many other chronic conditions as well.
  
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  May 13, 2022 6:10pm
krazykiwi

Anyone who knows a little of Finnish culture knows of their deeply entrenched hatred of Russia. And now this:

Finnish President Sauli Niinistö and Prime Minister Sanna Marin announced on Thursday their intention to submit an application to join the NATO military alliance “without delay”. Russia, which shares an 810 mile border with Finland, classified the country’s decision as a threat. Sweden is expected to decide if it is also applying for membership in the coming days.
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May 13, 2022 1:26pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Krazy every country East of Berlin hates the Russians. When we went through Czech, Hungry and Poland in the late 90s our tour guides said as long as you were white and not Russian no worries – everyone else stay in your hotel
  
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  May 13, 2022 1:37pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes… but the Finns are a special case
    
    Think of the thing you hate most in the world. Now multiply that by about 1000. Now imagine that thing invades your country, and rapes and murders your mother, sister, and baby brother.
    
    Got that firmly fixed in your mind?
    
    Ok, that’s about how the Finns feel about Russia, and the Russians. They are only slightly less hostile towards the Germans.
    
    Yes, still, today, 60 some years later. The Finns are as good as the Irish at holding grudges… maybe better; given that Finland has only been a country since the 15th century (and most of that time spent ruled by Russia or Sweden), and there are still grudges being written about in poetry that date 1000 years before that (more on Finnish poetry later).
    
    I have given many people advice about traveling in Scandanavia over the years (most people not Scandinavian include Finland in Scandinavia); having been myself several times.
    
    The first bit of advice I always give is “Never drink with a Finn, unless you feel like getting in a friendly knife fight. No seriously, there will be a knife fight, or at the very least a rock or iceball fight, but it will be friendly. You’ll only be cut up a little bit and then everyone will go back and drink some more… Unless you’re a Russian in which case you’ll end up wearing your testicles as earrings”.
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:18pm
- Batman
  
  Very pleasing to see the Finns and Swedes getting into the club ASAP.
  
  May Russia be given the DCM middle finger on an ongoing basis!
  
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  May 13, 2022 1:50pm
  - Jack5
    
    It’s likely that Putin, given the region of his family, is of Veps descent, and Veps – Karelians – are fairly closely related to the Finns in language, and biologically. Some have classed Karelian as a dialect of Finnish.
    
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    May 13, 2022 2:49pm
Maggie Pie

WOW! Thx for posting kk

Absolutely amazeballs just how much Sanna looks like Prue… my doubles-partner!

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1524786082591784961
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May 13, 2022 1:42pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQo-1L6qqtg

Ukraine now throws Boris Johnson under the bus.

BoJo wanted Ukraine to discontinue peace talks.
The US and UK want the war to continue so as to weaken Russia. Zelensky
Knows he might face a public backlash for prolonging the war, and seeks a scapegoat. Huge arms shipments and incendiary rhetoric are prolonging the war.
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May 13, 2022 1:43pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/otbpZMjdfaU/

RINOs are Panicking as Patriots take over the GOP!

RINOs are Panicking as Patriots are taking over the Republican Party! We’re going to see how Republicans In Name Only are trying to derail the surge in support that we’re seeing for Ultra MAGA candidates, particularly in Pennsylvania, and stick with me to the very end of the video when we’re going to see EXACTLY why patriots are the only ones who can win and win big. [10:15]
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May 13, 2022 1:43pm
- Batman
  
  It certainly is fascinating watching the mass panic as Fox personalities attack her for anti-obama and anti-islam tweets, on order from the MAGA headliners. Hannity is currently having a crack and I expect Tucker will too.
  
  Irony is dead and so is principled conservatism.
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

See how the media bend and twist things.
Republicans Criticize Biden For Not Starving Undocumented Immigrant Babies.
HuffPostHuffPost
Republicans Criticize Biden For Not Starving Undocumented Immigrant Babies.
Republicans criticized the Biden administration on Thursday for providing food to infants detained in its custody — effectively suggesting the babies should be starved because of their immigration status.
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/republicans-criticize-biden-not-starving-193005865.html
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May 13, 2022 2:01pm
- Batman
  
  That is exactly what Gregg Abbott and other Republicans are suggesting.
  
  They can’t say things and then pretend there is no step two in the process.
  
  To start with, the “American babies before brown ones” is a piece of real gutter racism.
  
  And then there is the nature of the original claim which is from a State Republican Rep and not proven at all.
  
  All in all, a really great example in shooting yourself in the face for the sake of hardline purity.
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You do realise that is the media bitching and not the Republicans? The Republicans are ‘America First’
    Limited baby food should not be given to illegals while the shop shelves are empty.
    Socialism at it’s paramount!
    No uptick or downtick – yet
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:20pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    It’s not a case of “American babies before brown ones” which is entirely obtuse and disingenuous. It’s a case of “American babies before what are, by definition, non-American babies.” Imagine an American politician advocating for Americans in favour of illegal immigrants. Basically Hitler, eh.
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:30pm
Nickc2

Who says the Poms are dumb? Boris axes the jobs of 90,000 Civil Servants in order to free up finance to assist with Britain’s cost of living crisis.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10811331/Bloodbath-civil-service-91-000-jobs-axed-shake-save-3-5bn.html
Come on Robbo, stop polishing the arse out of your trousers and do something useful FFS.
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May 13, 2022 2:01pm
- curry4me
  
  Wow!, 91000 civil service ‘jobs’ gone. Definitely a great policy.
  
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  May 13, 2022 2:59pm
- krazykiwi
  
  That’s brilliant. We need a similar purge here, followed by business tax cuts designed to stimulate re-growth of productive enterprise.
  
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  May 13, 2022 3:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It keeps the unemployed numbers down. They just go on the job seekers thing so it does not conflict with the unemployable on the permanent DOLE.
    Disclaimer, my Partner is on the Job Seekers income ($268 per week)
    Any jobs even part time for a Woman aged 64 on the Shore available?
    
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    May 13, 2022 4:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

10% for the “Big Guy?”
https://nz.yahoo.com/finance/news/turkey-wins-biden-backing-upgrades-190944427.html
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May 13, 2022 2:10pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf…my partner’s mum just re-tweeted to say how much further Piopio farmer Bill Burr has gone up in everyone’s estimation at the Retirement complex.
She’s already been asked by one of the residents if she’d go referee for the renewal of his gun-license.

https://twitter.com/SikotiHamiltonR/status/1524532377027981313
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May 13, 2022 2:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The left anywhere can not just keep on giving money away. 40Billion Ukraine Bill blocked – for now.
https://rumble.com/v14j2te-rand-paul-single-handedly-blocks-40-billion-ukraine-bill.html?
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May 13, 2022 2:24pm
cmm

A message to Cindy, Bloomers and enablers: $1uff, Herald etc.

Fuck off with your lying.

Headlines: “Covid 19 Omicron outbreak: 29 Covid-related deaths, 7441 cases”

First paragraph: “There are 7441 new Covid cases in the community today and 29 virus-related deaths reported.”

Reading the headlines and confirming by reading the first paragraph would leave you with the distinct impression that today there were new 7441 cases and 29 heaths.

But, reading right to the bottom we actually find the truth:
“The ministry said the 29 deaths reported today included 14 people who had died in the previous two days, and an additional 15 people who died between March 24 and May 7.”

Ok, so maybe 7 deaths today then. And some of the deaths we’ve been lead to believe happened in the last 24 hours actually happened in March – more than a Month and a half ago!

C’mon people this is pure scaremongering fraud!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-29-covid-related-deaths-7441-cases-ashley-bloomfield-on-looming-flu-threat/A7ZNLKYULUBRCYUMDGQBJ7T5PQ/
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May 13, 2022 3:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They have been lying since this Covid shit started. Create a crisis and pump it like fuck
  
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  May 13, 2022 3:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Maori Party typecasting all people of Tauranga.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2205/S00127/maori-party-owes-tauranga-an-apology.htm
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May 13, 2022 3:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Funny they’ve never put up a candidate for Epsom either.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  May 13, 2022 3:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That’s racism for Moari living in Epsom. Moari should be represented in all Electorates. Just need some funding that’s all
    
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    May 13, 2022 3:25pm
    - MCōs
      
      That would be *Māori*
      
      There’s little point in the Māori Party contesting Epsom. Last time they only picked up 106 party votes.
      It’s not a big Māori centre of population.
      
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      May 13, 2022 4:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mac, I spell it like it is pronounced.
        Mow ree.
        Listen to the media, it is mow ree
        
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        May 13, 2022 4:39pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Not sure you’re quite correct there Cossie….
        according to the last Neighborhood Watch Newsletter, it was actually 109.
        
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        May 13, 2022 4:44pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I am confuse. I was told all NZer’s were enthusiastically behind the ascendancy of our saintly 16% to become the nouvelle-aristocrats in NZ, as decreed in ancient scripture by God and transmitted to our mortal ears by the worthy priests of the far left. Surely this reality would be reflected in wild success in free and open democratic elections if they were to but stand?
        
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        May 13, 2022 6:13pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Well, it’s not a lie, is it. In Tauranga, incidents of racism are not isolated as the ACT candidate claims. They are the norm, rather than “one or two” folk.
  
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  May 13, 2022 4:41pm
- than
  
  Muttonbrain shared a post saying Maori party would not stand a candidate in Tauranga because of supposed threats.
  I suspect they were not threats and instead just blacklash from the public about the comments badmouthing the city for no reason.
  Will retract statement if I am proven wrong.
  
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  May 13, 2022 5:51pm
- Skinny White Boy
  
  Te Pity Parti… they are quickly earning that moniker!
  
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  May 13, 2022 5:53pm
Maggie Pie

Her shoes look a bit big to me…..

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1521651626699747328

(WARNING: cannot be unseen 😛 )
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May 13, 2022 4:30pm
- krazykiwi
  
  That is tragic. I mean it, too.
  
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  May 13, 2022 6:58pm
Don Beckett

That she looks like a he to me.
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May 13, 2022 5:19pm
kiwikidsnz

Stats NZ’s contempt for privacy, transparency, democracy, and parliament. http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2022/05/stats-nzs-contempt-for-privacy.html?m=1
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May 13, 2022 5:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128634859/traditional-mori-knowledge-set-to-play-part-in-picking-mt-ruapehus-next-eruption
Its OK folks, maori “science” is alive and well.
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May 13, 2022 7:10pm
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you who does make my skin crawl…..

‘Drop-Kick-Dan-the-Weatherman’

Honestly, he needs to take a lead from the gals on TV3!
Viewers want to watch the Forecast….not him prancing about the stage like a demented hen!!

SHEESH.
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May 13, 2022 7:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dan needs a damn good feed of greasy mutton stew and spuds.
  
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  May 13, 2022 7:55pm
graham

* Sigh *

Just watched an item on One News where they talked about the importance of the “whenua”.

What on earth is a “whenua”?

Why do they do this? I have no idea what a “whenua” is, and I strongly suspect that the vast majority of people who still watch One News don’t know either. I honestly don’t know why they persist.
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May 13, 2022 7:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  whenua = placenta, afterbirth
  
  whenua = land, earth, ground
  
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  May 13, 2022 8:32pm
tf78

Does he realize those occurrences happen all day every day in the world. (including methane bubbling up out of the ocean)
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