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Tony Stuart

Well-known lawyer and former ACT MP Stephen Franks has a must-read thread on Twitter which once again calls Trevor Mallard’s fitness to be Speaker into question. Here’s the first of seven tweets:

Stephen Franks @franks_lawyer

Spkr Mallard told me weeks ago I was going to be trespassed from Parliament for attending the mandate demo. He’d seen me on camera. I asked if he was also going to trespass others I knew had been there multiple times, and started to name them.

https://twitter.com/franks_lawyer/status/1521028757510709249

This would appear to be a massive overreach by Mallard. Neither Franks nor former Northland MP Matt King, who has also been trespassed, did anything violent or subversive during the occupation of Parliament’s grounds, yet Mallard has banned each for two years. Matt King plans to stand for Parliament next year but is legally prevented from going there. It’s banana republic stuff from Mallard.

I hope this is challenged legally, because surely, Mallard cannot afford another taxpayer-funded court battle if he wishes to remain as Speaker. He has already cost the taxpayer far too much already. Any lawyers out there keen to support Messrs Franks and King on a pro bono basis?
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December 3, 2021 8:03am
- graham
  
  I have to wonder … is there ANYBODY left in New Zealand who has a single shred of respect for Trevor Mallard any more?
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:07am
  - nathie
    
    “is there ANYBODY left in New Zealand who has a single shred of respect for Trevor Mallard any more”
    
    Yes, Jacinda Ardern …. she seems to like the company of a bully and thug and can’t see anything wrong with that, which demonstrates she has poor judgement.
    
    Now imagine if that was a National Speaker banning a former left-wing politician …. the MSM wouldn’t stop their negative reporting until either the National Speaker resigned or apologised, and the Nat’s PM’s judgement called into question, day after day.
    
    NZ does not have a balanced and fair MSM.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:23am
  - namron
    
    Let’s not forget Mallard’s previous behaviour in Parliament.
    2006
    Mallard interjected in the House that Don Brash had been engaged in an extra-marital affair.
    2007
    Mallard punched Nat MP Tau Henare in a scuffle outside the debating chamber. Police declined to investigate.
    Graham McCready took a successful prosecution against Mallard. Mallard pleaded guilty to “fighting in a public place” and was fined $50.
    2008
    NZ Police did not prosecute Mallard for breaking provisions of the Electoral Finance Act over Mallard’s handling of the education portfolio. He was strongly criticised by the teacher union PPTA during a long running strike over salaries.
    April 2002
    Mallard made crude comments about inserting beer bottles into “uncomfortable places” of the International Rugby Board chairman and Australian Rugby boss during a radio interview.
    Feb 2012
    Mallard “ticket scalped” on Trade me when he sold 4 tickets for a music festival. In 2006, he had instigated legislation prohibiting ticket scalping.
    2014
    Mallard wanted moa to return to the bush of the Rimutaka Forest Park.
    “I only want the small moa. I’d like the ones that I can pat on the head!”
    2020
    Mallard was sued by a Parliamentary worker by claiming that a “rapist was working at Parliament.” National tried to move a motion of “no confidence” in Mallard, who used “parliamentary privilege” as his defence.
    PM Ardern criticised Mallards actions, but rejected calls to dismiss him from his position as Speaker.
    
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    May 3, 2022 1:36pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A top bloke! Why is he speaker again?
      
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      May 3, 2022 10:09pm
- rouppe
  
  Surely Frank’s is lawyer enough to do it himself?
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Have you ever heard the phrase “a lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client”? Stephen Franks is no fool.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:17am
    - peterwn
      
      Stephen may need to enter the Parliamentary precinct when representing clients and this would provide an occasion to challenge the notice.
      Interestingly as far as I know there was never any general prohibition on entering Parliament grounds during the protest as long as you did not remain overnight or leave when a general announcement was made to leave. I entered the Parliamentary Library forecourt on two occasions during the protest for a look and probably many others did.
      
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      May 3, 2022 9:41am
- Paulus
  
  Winston Peters says he has not yet received Mallard’s letter !
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:17am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Good. Hopefully Mallard won’t send it to him until after nominations have closed for the Tauranga by-election! Then again, Peters will have plenty of goss on Mallard…
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:24am
  - kevn
    
    @Paulus… So, clearly mallard is picking and choosing. He knows Franks is a smart fellow and could be a problem.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:31am
  - mandk
    
    I’m affronted.
    
    I haven’t had a letter, and I was there lots.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:46am
  - peterwn
    
    Winston will not get one. Jacinda may need his support in 2023. AFAIK Winston still owes the Crown $300k costs over his misguided legal action but I doubt that Labour’s AG is in any hurry to push the issue.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:31am
    - Nickc2
      
      Don’t forget the fiasco in 2005 when the then auditor-general (Kevin Brady) said Peter’s Party (NZ First) spent $158,000 illegally on electioneering during the 2005 election and was required to pay those funds into Consolidated Revenue. Peters obfuscated for some time before he allegedly paid the money to the Starship Hospital instead of Consolidated Revenue.
      AFIK, no receipt has ever been produced and the money wasn’t his to dispose of how he wished.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-first-pays-back-illegal-election-money-to-starship/2H7CFY2VGDS6M5U2OOFUW77DWI/
      
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      May 3, 2022 12:02pm
    - peterwn
      
      Looks as if I will have to eat my hat as Winston has now received the letter.
      
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      May 3, 2022 12:22pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Peters has confirmed now that he received a Trespass Notice. He has issued a statement under the heading “Mallard’s precinct decision loses the plot” and has accused Mallard of dictatorial behaviour in line with a “banana republic”. He must have read my post from earlier this morning!
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/convoy-protest-fallout-winston-peters-says-hes-been-trespassed-from-parliament-blasts-banana-republic-decision/VYJQGFNHVBPSQ7KEUHMJNKEL4Q/
      
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      May 3, 2022 12:47pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        So, reading thru’ the article, I see Luxon has had a say. He needs to speak up whether he approves of this action or not. If he thinks its okay, there goes my National vote.
        
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        May 3, 2022 1:37pm
- cmm
  
  These hollow threats are an attempt to freeze out the democratic process.
  
  Best bet I reckon is to call Mallard’s bluff rather than play “but what about…”.
  
  Trespassing a person from parliament on a whim is quite a step. I’d doubt Mallard really has the balls to try that.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:20am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    He already has done. Matt King has released the Trespass Notice he received. It’s all over social media.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:25am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      My son was trespassed but for some mysterious reason it’s been dropped
      
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      May 3, 2022 8:50am
    - Scooter
      
      Is there nothing the Labour Party won’t do to distract from another bad poll?
      
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      May 3, 2022 10:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  1EWES reported this morning that Trevor sent a letter to those he had trespassed, threatening they would be liable to a Two-Month-Jail term if they set foot in the place 🙁
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:20am
- The Boss
  
  Did Winston get a trespass note?
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:21am
  - Clownworld
    
    Yes apparently so
    
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    May 3, 2022 12:19pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes according to the NZH
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/convoy-protest-fallout-winston-peters-says-hes-been-trespassed-from-parliament-blasts-banana-republic-decision/VYJQGFNHVBPSQ7KEUHMJNKEL4Q/
    
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    May 3, 2022 1:48pm
- Yvette
  
  This all puzzles me.
  It seems from media reports that Mallard can ban people from Parliament grounds – so Parliament itself – because they were present during a protest, but without Mallard having reference to Cabinet, the Police, or having any evidence the person caused damage, or incited others to protest or eventually cause damage.
  
  Beyond that, protesters assumably assembled to be heard, and in not initially communicating in any way acceptable to them, did Ardern’s non-action in her roll as Prime Minister, even to arrange some sort of representative group to met her or officials, did she not incite protesters to stay the time they did, and lead to the damage that was done.
  
  In that context who was more inciting to protest and violence – Stephen Franks, Matt King, and Winston Peters who all seem to have done nothing, or Jacinda Ardern who also did nothing?
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:27am
  - cmm
    
    My understanding is that, as Speaker, Mallard is in charge of the parliament buildings and grounds and is the occupant for legal purposes.
    
    Just as you trespass someone from your house or a manager can trespass someone from a hotel or business, Mallard can trespass someone from parliament.
    
    It is not cabinet’s decision.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:38am
    - mawm
      
      It really shows that Mallard is a fool. He’s just keeping the protest and the disproportionate police response at the forefront of peoples minds. Those who have been trespassed need to make as much of it as they can and keep it in the news cycle.
      
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      May 3, 2022 12:42pm
- nathie
  
  Shouldn’t Mallard ban himself from Parliament because he used to be a Parliamentary protester himself?
  
  Excuse me while I cough … h .. h .. hypocrisy!
  
  Will Speaker Mallard best be remembered as a hypocrite or a nasty spiteful person?
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:38am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Mallard says everything you need to know about this shambolic barrow of monkeys. After 30 years of living here they have me regretting my decision to bring my family here as my children all want to leave. What a legacy.
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:23am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  I don’t think he would have a dog’s show joining or potentially encouraging a mob who had already trespassed and damaged the grounds of Parliament would not be encouraged by the speaker:
  The Speaker is the Member of Parliament that the House of Representatives chooses to communicate with the Sovereign on its behalf. The Speaker’s role includes chairing meetings in the House and certain select committees. The Speaker acts as landlord for Parliament’s buildings and represents the House to international and other important visitors.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Mallard was always a jerk and still is !
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:42am
- Simon
  
  Zero covid nutjob losing his shit. And people injected themselves with crap on these clowns say so.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:48am
- Swifty
  
  Franks etc peacefully attend demo at Parliament and are trespassed by Mallard.
  
  Mallard physically attacks another MP at Parliament by punching him on the jaw and then tussling with him on the ground and not only does he retain his job Labour subsequently appoints him as Speaker and for which he will receive a knighthood for his service.
  
  This sums up the NZ Labour Party to a tee.
  
  Their hypocrisy sickens me.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And remember how Mallard falsely accused a Parliamentary staffer of being a rapist to create a diversion from the sexual abuse accusation against a chap working in Jacinda Ardern’s inner circle.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/trevor-mallard-apologises-for-accusing-parliamentary-staffer-of-rape/EO7VZ74CHYC5S3C42RTPDRJW5Y/
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/12/jacinda-ardern-under-pressure-staffer-accused-sexual-assault-resigns
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:00am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’d like to point out that the term pro bono is actually a shortening of the full Latin term, which is pro bono publico.
  
  Why is this important? Most people believe that pro bono means “free” which it does, but what the term really means is “services provided free, for the public good”.
  
  This is an important issue not just for Stephen Franks and Matt King, but for the good of the public, or society. If short-tempered bullies such as Mallard can get away with this, it weakens democracy, freedom of expression, freedom to protest, freedom of movement and freedom of speech. Thee are worth defending.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:03am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    A landlord wouldn’t be doing his job by encouraging rioters and shit throwers into a place he was responsible for.
    Dismissed at first breath.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:12am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Produce evidence that Stephen Franks and Matt King rioted and threw shit, or STFU.
      
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      May 3, 2022 9:18am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        They never did any of that, they met protesters the same as Peters and Seymour did, they all must be treated the same or there is something sinister going on
        
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        May 3, 2022 11:49am
    - RoboRob
      
      Perhaps then Winston Raymond Peters (and others) should also be trespassed?
      
      As you say he has the right to trespass people however at the moment it seems he is simply picking people he dislikes. Be fair and trespass them all Trevor.
      
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      May 3, 2022 9:25am
      - Hometruth
        
        Will Sir Russell Couts get a trepass letter. He visited and supported the protest.
        
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        May 3, 2022 10:43am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That’s the very point, Peters snd Seymour were present the same as King, if they don’t both get the same van there will be a shit storm, what’s the bet that Franks is something to do with Kings new party?
        
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        May 3, 2022 11:37am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Rioters and shit throwers” are given a free pass by the loony left when it’s in the service of their agenda. Witness JA disingenuously telling the NZ public that the feral lefty thugs threatening venue owners and calling in fire and bomb threats on Lauren Southern and Stephen Molyneux talks were representative of all NZ (as in “NZ doesn’t want these people here” or very similar words to that effect).
      
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      May 3, 2022 10:18pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Lodden you mean more than they already have?
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:25am
- Chris R
  
  I am not, and will never, defend or even understand Mallard, but I suggest he embodies (and is crass enough to reveal it!) the filthy non-thinking which is emblematic of Ardern’s “government.” They are bullying socialists, nothing more! Their born to rule stances and their dishonesty will be their legacy…NZ never deserved this filth.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:30am
  - The Boss
    
    “NZ never deserved this filth”.
    Unfortunately, Chris, I have to disagree. They voted for it.
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:51am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Boss to be fair to the twits who voted for this mob, I think they just fell for the “you go girl” “nice person” image being presented. If they vote for this revolting and undemocratic swill again, well then that’s a different story.
      
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      May 3, 2022 10:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Watch the vulgar Ardern say that has got nothing to do with me
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:11am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I’m sorry Chris R however I’m only allowed one up tick. If others would like to up tick this
    post well then I think we can safely say they’re yours
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:42pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  This is just going to make a festering sore even worse for Ardern, this rotten Marxists behaviour has always been deplorable, if he doesn’t do the same to Peters and Seymour, then it will create huge anger and division, as if that could get any worse
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:11am
Maggie Pie

Kiri Allen … divorce [ Mod – there are rules on KB about not getting into family stuff ]
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December 3, 2021 12:31pm
artemisia

Reported in Stuff a few days ago –

Houses are still mouldy, damp and cold, despite healthy home standards, survey shows

So according to the article (based on 2021 survey) ‘Renters’ ability to heat and/or keep warm in the winter remained the same: 55% have a problem.”

And yet according to the very same article 76% of landlords said the property’s main living room could be heated to a comfortable temperature”.

Sounds like a lot of renters are not using the supplied living room heating – 20% of all renters is a huge number, hundreds of thousands of households. Or maybe tenants are not supplying or using their own heaters in other rooms.

And triple that huge number of renting households reporting a damp or mould problem. That’s closing on a million households living in a potentially unhealthy environment even where Healthy Homes standards are met. Surely not the way tenants live, must need more standards.//

Something is wrong with this picture. Couple of questions not answered in this or most other articles. Why do these problems still exist where HH standards are met? And why don’t tenants move. After all –

Swarbrick ….. said renters should not have to live in an unfit house, just as workers should not have to drive an unfit car.

Meanwhile – reported today ….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300576280/house-attracts-almost-100-enquiries-in-48-hours-as-desperate-renters-compete
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May 3, 2022 8:05am
- cmm
  
  I would suggest that many of the unhealthy, mouldy, homes are potentially healthy but are just unventilated.
  
  Unfortunately many people are just not suited to living in NZ’s climate and many of them are renters.
  
  One of my wonderful neighbours is a polynesian and when I’ve visited their house it always amazes me that they have their heat pump going no matter the weather. I suppose it is off (or probably shuts off itself) when a NW wind is blowing in summer.
  
  Her husband, an NZ-born white guy, says she likes to keep it warm because that’s what she grew up with (she’s now lived in NZ for over 25 years). He has now got used to it too.
  
  I don’t know every Polynesian in NZ, but I suspect that this scenario is replicated in many, if not most Polynesian households in NZ.
  
  This is going to lead to lots of shut windows and poor ventilation especially in older houses which are often rented by Polynesians.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:30am
  - artemisia
    
    The Tenancy Services website has a long list of causes of mould and damp. Some are the landlord’s responsibility to remedy. The very much longer list relates to how tenants live in the home.
    
    A lot of the first Stuff article relates to a tenant who applied to the Tenancy Tribunal for thousands of dollars compensation due to mould. His application was dismissed largely due to the property complying with the HH standards.
    
    The case got quite a bit of airtime, and is perhaps an indication that tenants will increasingly be made responsible to remedy damp and mould or pay the cost to fix.
    
    These issues matter because there are 1.5 million odd households renting, and landlords getting fed up with everything being their fault. Can’t blame them for taking their ball and going home.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:30am
  - Paulus
    
    Who pays the electricity bill ?
    Yea, taxpayers I expect.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:44am
- Local Miller
  
  Mold and damp in a house depends on the tenant not the house. I’ve had multiple sets of tenants, one after the other, each staying a year or more in the house. Tenants 1, 2, 3 & 4 had no problems with damp and mold, tenant 5 had mold through most of the house and we had to buy a dehumidifier to help keep the moisture down. In simple terms, tenant 5 just wasn’t opening the house to air often enough.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:52am
  - Hebe123
    
    I rented for 20 years in wellington then Christchurch for a short time. In that time, two flats of maybe a dozen had a damp problem. One, in Rakau Road in Hataitai had creeping mould, if you know the area, the fact that it never gets any sun even in summer won’t have passed you by. The one in chch was earthquake damaged with liquefaction under the floor. I wasn’t renting high end places just reasonable shared houses. Most are just fine. If you open a window now and again!
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:47am
    - Ford Prefect
      
      I also had a flat in Rakau Road that spread mould over everything I owned. No insululation, downstairs flat, and no sun. I didnt stay long. Thats the only time I’ve had issues.
      
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      May 3, 2022 11:13am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I had a tenant we provided a dehumidifier to, but he never used it as he was worried about the electricity it would use!
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:35am
- Bullion
  
  There is no wof for housing, the HH standards are there but only applicable if questioned so possibly lots of houses don’t meet HH standards and tenants aren’t making sure landlords are up to scratch.
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:20am
cmm

My wallet twitched when I read this article.

I would bet 50 cents and a servo pie that this bloke also has his nose in the public trough.

Of course nothing proven yet. Apply ALLEGED when you feel the need.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128512763/nikora-nitro-linked-to-fake-clinic-that-prompted-police-complaint
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May 3, 2022 8:10am
- Clownworld
  
  Cmm thumbly finger meant to uptick
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:11am
  - cmm
    
    No worries Clown, my ego can survive it.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:31am
    - Clownworld
      
      Figured so but felt no one would willingly downtick that specific post.
      
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      May 3, 2022 12:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When the New Maori Health Authority arises, I suspect we’ll see a new crop of counselling, well-being, and health navigator providers setting up shop.
  
  Who will be checking their qualifications/expertise will be a mystery.
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:10am
Benedict Yu

Winston was there. Has he been trespassed?
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May 3, 2022 8:10am
- cmm
  
  I’d pay $5 for a ticket to watch Winston’s reaction.
  
  As many as Winston’s faults are, he would stand up that that little (inaudible) Mallard in a very public fashion.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You mean Peters the architect of this utter shambles of a government would stamp his feet snd do his usual vulgar nasty disputable display, he should have been the first one trespassed, and if he doesn’t, then the festering sore will only dump on Ardern
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Nope
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:51am
kevn

Don’t see this in any media. Odd, not really, par for the (paid for) course.
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May 3, 2022 8:11am
NoCash

This is gold…
https://mobile.twitter.com/bernd__neuner/status/1520419880843063296

Bernd Neuner @Bernd__Neuner – 15:08 UTC · Apr 30, 2022

#Putin’s latest failure:
Western media’s de-nazification of #Ukraine much faster and more thorough than #Russia’s 🤡
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May 3, 2022 8:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yep, it’s been frantic in the various “Ministries of Truth” over the last couple of months. The poor hacks must be exhausted making black white and up down in their reporting of events in Ukraine.
  Some disturbing examples of the ludicrous propaganda and distortions of reality being inflicted on people around the world, from someone actually living there.
  
  https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/no-its-not-fake-news-its-nazi-propaganda
  
  And here:
  
  https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/03/testimony-mariupol-hospital-ukrainian-deceptions-media-malpractice/
  
  And the nonsensical “Ghost of Kiev” who apparently shot down 40 Russian planes in a couple of days. People on Twitter were orgasmic in their praise of this “legend”. NO pilot in the age of jets has shot down more than 5 in their career.
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/01/ghost-of-kyiv-propaganda/
  
  No, it’s not “pro Putin” to point this out. It’s no different to the early days of the corona virus narrative, by pushing utterly fake stories onto the public, when they are found out it destroys a little bit more of our trust in our institutions and further degrades our society. I don’t like losing trust in anything or anyone, it’s a depressing feeling.
  Tell the truth. We don’t need propaganda and lies to be able to support our country and our values. Lying and deceiving are not our values, or at least, that’s what I have been brought up to believe. Since the Iraq war, subsequent actions in other parts of the ME and now Ukraine – (all driven by US neocons) – there has been a complete erosion of trust.
  No different to a family member repeatedly lying to you, it destroys trust. It isn’t good. No cause makes it acceptable.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:12am
Clownworld

Mallard : Has there even been such a bully intolerant spite filled so called honorable member of parliament in NZ?

Name one thing he has done to make NZ a better place?
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May 3, 2022 8:14am
- G152
  
  Given life spans that will occur for all of us.
  We will never know
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t know if this is relevant, but he’s Cindy’s kid’s God Father.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:23am
  - Gravelroad
    
    And had built a nice expensive playground built for her in the grounds of Parliament.
    In reply to Clownworld above – Mallard gave the nation a fancy slide to make NZ a better place.
    What more do ya want?
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:48am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      The slide also apparently cost more than the government gave drought stricken Hawkes Bay farmers that same year.
      
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      May 3, 2022 8:56am
    - Nickc2
      
      In time, that playground will be named the Neve Ardern-Gayford Memorial Park.
      You read it here first!
      
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      May 3, 2022 9:55am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Very relevant. Thanks for reminding us.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:50am
  - cjn
    
    Did she have her child christened? That seems strange to me. I thought she had given up on Christianity? Is Mallard a Christian too?
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:49am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes Peters, and he has done nothing either, apart from being asleep on the world stage
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:55am
Flossie

There’s been a lot of commentary about the expected exodus of workers to Australia. I wonder if as well as the better wages and perceived cheaper living it us also driven in part by the push in New Zealand to co-governance. We are bombarded with the language of the “indigenous” people, and maybe some of us are just keen to leave before we become second class citizens.
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May 3, 2022 8:14am
- Taieri
  
  maybe some of us are just keen to leave before we become second class citizens
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  In order to become second class residents of Australia?
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:45am
  - Flossie
    
    That is true, although at least we can understand the language.
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:59am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    There are more places in the world than Australia. Reading too much Stuff maybe?
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:01am
    - Taieri
      
      Reading too much Stuff maybe?
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      What’s Stuff?
      
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      May 3, 2022 10:04am
- cmm
  
  That could be part of it, but it isn’t just to Australia. There are many changes that all act together to help this happen:
  * It is easier than ever to look for work overseas. 5 years few people would have considering hiring someone over Skype and now that’s routine.
  * It is easier than ever to arrange to move, find new accommodation and check out schools etc. This makes it easier for people to check out the things that often lead to concern stopping people from moving.
  * International demand for skilled has sky rocketed and overseas salaries have gone through the roof.
  * Why not go overseas? You can always come back with a nice little nest egg to purchase a house you can’t afford on an NZ salary.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:49am
  - fernglas
    
    Why come back at all?
    
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    May 3, 2022 8:56am
  - Taieri
    
    Why not go overseas? You can always come back with a nice little nest egg to purchase a house you can’t afford on an NZ salary
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    Too late for me…
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:05am
  - Clownworld
    
    Indeed some of us are exploring overseas right now. Must say everywhere has problems, the trick is finding the best niche for family and self.
    Looking back to NZ am glad not there currently.
    
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    May 3, 2022 12:36pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Apparently nobody will be going anywhere because we’ve just got it too good here
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128483657/miq-theres-nothing-for-nz-to-apologise-for.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:59am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I always find it interested? ridiculous! That Stuff and its MSM cohort keep publishing Opinion pieces from Journalists……is it a make work project.???
    
    Surely an opinion piece from someone with expertise/experience would actually have a valid opinion,
    rather than the dreams and ravings of a journalist in need of publication(pay?)
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:49am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Ra Henare-
      Journalists/reporters see themselves these days as “explainers.”
      We dumb folk out here are unable to read a report in the paper without having the contents explained to us – apparently.
      I’ve known a good few reporters/journalists over many years.
      I can think of very few who had the breadth of knowledge or qualifications to write opinion columns on specialist subjects – apart from a couple of sports reporters perhaps.
      I have very little interest in what journalists think about their personal pet issues and they inevitably spin their work to reflect their own perspective.
      I would just rather they reported the news and let me make up my own mind based on the facts.
      
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      May 3, 2022 11:29am
      - mawm
        
        This is the beauty of the internet. There are many blogs, substacks or podcasts that feature opinion pieces from experts. The wealth of knowledge out there is fantastic. Of course there’s a lot of crap as well.
        
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        May 3, 2022 1:06pm
- MCōs
  
  New Zealanders can go and live elsewhere, but they won’t be second class citizens?
  Chances are they won’t even be citizens.
  As long as I can remember we have supposedly been a low wage society compared to Australia, UK, USA. I suppose that depends on one’s occupation.
  Consequently there’s always been an outflow of young people offshore plus they want to have a wee look see.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:07am
  - RoboRob
    
    When the Key govt came in the promised to ‘reverse the brain drain’. I thought this was impossible and simple electioneering for some of the reasons you mention. However within 2 (?) years NZ had a net inflow of people and this continued right up until Labour took power.
    
    You see NZ was a attractive place to live and our standard of living was closing on that of Australia. In a few short years labour has reversed both of those trends. We once again have a net outflow and AU is much more attractive.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:32am
- Opie
  
  If I stay in nz my taxes will continue to increase and be spent mostly on a group of people based on the colour of their skin. Not a single cent is making the country better.
  
  Because I disagree with that, I am a racist apparently.
  
  If I move to Australia I will get an equivalent house for 4-500k less after exchange rate, I will be paid more (doing the same job I do here for the exact same company even – australian owned) and taxed less. Healthcare is way better, infrastructure better and cost of living significantly less.
  
  That’s without mentioning the better weather…
  
  The biggest thing I see though is that attitude of indigenous Australians vs Maori.
  
  Aboriginals say welcome to our lands please honor and respect them as we do.
  
  Maoris say this is our country fuck off.
  
  Pretty telling really
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:26am
  - Taieri
    
    I will be paid more (doing the same job I do here for the exact same company even – australian owned) and taxed less
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    Australian taxes are quite a bit higher than in NZ if you’re on a high income. I worked in Australia for 17 years before Covid and my taxes were approx. 30K/year higher than the taxes on the same income then applicable in NZ.
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:09am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Aboriginals say welcome to our lands please honor and respect them as we do.
    
    So do Chatham Islanders.
    
    Main stream NZ ers can learn a lot from the Chathams . Maybe send Meng there for a lesson or 2
    ?
    
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    May 3, 2022 1:01pm
- Paulus
  
  Had two separate people – lovely New Zealanders leave yesterday on one way tickets to Aussie.
  Saddened, as these are hard working working taxpayers people New Zealand needs.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:48am
Suze Wainwright

ADHD really has become a topic du jour – I’m wondering if its diagnosis is now becoming sexist with experts implying that it might be under diagnosed in women. (I’ll bet womin of color surely suffer way worse though).
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May 3, 2022 8:21am
- Clownworld
  
  Alphabet soup muppets just jealous didn’t claim adhd first.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “Hyperactivity” has bypassed me…
  
  Thank goodness.
  I might attend to the hall cobwebs when progress through a door becomes impeded…and I’m discovering that my old dad was correct when he forbad me from doing any dusting in his home as it just disturbed the top protective layer of settled grime.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:46am
  - Swifty
    
    Quentin Crisp maintained that after the first four years the dust doesn’t get any worse.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  SW, years ago a neice was diagnosed with St Vitus’ Dance because she did strange things like watch TV while upside down. She grew out of it but I am sure she had a touch of ADHD.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:19am
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/02/ceos-now-fear-caving-to-woke-employees-after-florida-pushes-back-against-disney/

Ron 1; woke 0
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May 3, 2022 8:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

How covid has provided a great cover for a co-governance putsch.

Just as Lange’s oratory and advocacy on the nuclear ship issue provided cover and distraction for Douglas’s legislative blitzkrieg, so Ardern’s popularity and successful management of Covid have provided cover and distraction for Mahuta and Willie Jackson and their allies in Cabinet for rapidly advancing their separatist agenda.

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/three-waters-looks-like-the-government-s-suicide-note
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May 3, 2022 8:38am
MCōs

A woman has a rant apparently because some people near her on an internal flight in the States are wearing masks.
Eventually her and her husband are chucked off the plane.
Why would people get worked up about that?
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1521039342533238784?s=21&t=UykBjIBHbZ3_ogrtjP4yvg
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May 3, 2022 8:38am
- ClanMcleod
  
  For the same reason a woman assaulted, spat on and abused an elderly male on a plane for not wearing a mask while he was eating and drinking. All the while not actually wearing a mask herself.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce0F0MyyV18
  
  Maybe all of these people are detached from reality and need help?
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe a mixture of alcohol and motion sickness meds?
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:15am
- mandk
  
  She’s pretty stupid.
  
  More than anything else, I feel sad for people wearing masks, because they have been scared into thinking they need to put on muzzles to stay safe.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I had that conversation with my sister, her response was she didn’t care if it worked or not, she would wear it anyway because it made her feel better. She’s super intelligent, we had to end the conversation as there was nothing else to say. Disturbing to see the level of mass formation and how easy it is to impose on so many people.
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:34am
    - NK
      
      I don’t care if it works or not either, and I refuse to wear them and tell the supermarket workers who ask me to put it on to naff off.
      
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      May 3, 2022 10:50am
      - rouppe
        
        I got a plain white one and printed in large letters across it: #NOTMYPM
        
        Been waiting for someone to have a go at me but none so far. Maybe being 6’3″ and 100kg has benefits
        
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        May 3, 2022 11:24am
  - MCōs
    
    That, of course, is a matter of opinion, but it’s no reason to scream and shout at someone.
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:41am
- Lucia Maria
  
  People don’t want to be forced to participate in cult-like behaviour anymore – which is what mask wearing really is. I can imagine you might be similarly put out were you to have to perform some sort of religious ritual you don’t agree with just to be transported on a plane?
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:17am
Benedict Yu

Just a couple of observations on Government radio ads which annoyed me yesterday:

First – the “Road to Zero” – Zero road deaths is an impossible goal. The saftest country in the world is Norway, but they still kill a hundred or so people a year on the roads. Norway is an immensely rich country where everyone drives new cars with all the top safety gear.

In New Zealand, the Government is busy making cars more expensive. Increase driving standards and get the meth heads off the road. Last weekend I saw a police guy ticketing drivers on Transmission Gully – they were probably driving at 115 kmh. Big deal. Yesterday I was tailgated by a meth head in Christchurch – young guy with eyes like saucers. He roared past me through a stop sign – not a cop in sight. Police priorities totally screwed.

Second – there was an ad on the radio yesterday telling people to get vaccinated, even if they have had COVID. It claimed that vaccine induced immunity was longer lasting and superior to natural immunity. Utter lies. The number of people being vaccinated each day now is tiny.

They are still urging parents to vaccinate their kids. I guess there is progress – yesterday the numbers of kids fully vaccinated got to 23 percent after being stuck on 22 percent for 3 weeks.

Both campaigns just a waste of money.
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May 3, 2022 8:44am
- cmm
  
  “Both campaigns just a waste of money.”
  
  Depends on your perspective. Cindy’s mates in advertising are making a killing.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:51am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I think the main objective of covid ads is to teach the populace a word or two of te reo that can henceforth replace the English equivalent in Aotearoan pidgin.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:04am
  - cas
    
    No wonder the ad agency which has the Tourism NZ brief has opened up a new office in Wellington. Loads of $$$$ to be made from Govt agencies.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:16am
- Pavel
  
  Totally agree that the road to zero and covid jab advertising is a total waste of money. As Labor used to scream during the Key years “FEED THE KIDS”.
  
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  May 3, 2022 8:55am
  - Inandout
    
    Pavel, perhaps the scream now is ‘feed big pharma’,
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Propaganda and narrative control don’t come cheap. Maybe Cindy thinks it’s money well spent? She’s quite delusional over most things so this would be no surprise really.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:33am
- RoboRob
  
  Totally agree and its spreading across all govt agencies now too. The other day I heard an add from ACC telling me that they will cover my income for n weeks after an accident.
  
  1) Like anyone in NZ doesn’t know about ACC.
  2) More importantly, its not like ACC is a private insurer competing for business. Most people literally have no choice but to pay ACC whatever premium they want to charge.
  
  Just a total waste of money. One might think it was just a way to keep the media on side. Surely they all know that the moment this govt goes the next govt is going to have to cut all this spending.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:37am
  - rouppe
    
    Though it’s surprising the number of people who think ACC will pay them if they get sick
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:21am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t worry it is not your money on the stupid ramble, only the the taxpayers.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:49am
- Master Mariner
  
  Unfortunately BY its a world wide phenomena.
  My previous company had to change its policies to zero
  Injuries and harm.
  This is no mean feat by all means.
  This was to enable vessels t.o be chartered World Wide.
  We really had no choice but to abide. Still status quo and nothing changed but the wording.
  Keep calm and carry on.
  
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  May 3, 2022 1:08pm
crikey

Problem with that quote Maggie, Ardern’s management of Covid has not been successful as is increasingly being revealed.
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May 3, 2022 8:46am
Maggie Pie

This is ‘gold’…..

“China’s Anal Tests For Coronavirus Upset Visitors”

– BEIJING (Reuters)

https://twitter.com/RealMacReport/status/1521073276864262144
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May 3, 2022 8:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Say what ?
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:12pm
Thought Criminal

A scientific study of 23 million people in Scandinavia shows that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines aren’t risk free and the data is finally starting to break through to the media.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1598594/vaccine-news-pfizer-modern-heart-problems-myocarditis-pericarditis

A compelling reason to not mandate vaccines and to let people make their own choices.
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May 3, 2022 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Obviously not in Stuffed or the Whoreald……..funny that. Lucky for NZ we have a single source of truth, we don’t have to deal with misinformation like that!
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:53am
- Hebe123
  
  And yet did you see that a new vaccine passport is under development (in the herald today) to replace the one that expires 1 June?
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Most people I know have an expiry date in the next few days
    
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    May 3, 2022 12:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh F***
    
    And I s’pose we will have to be boosted / double boosted for the vax passport to be vaild.
    
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    May 3, 2022 1:13pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You don’t need a pass anymore do you ?
      
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      May 4, 2022 12:32am
  - mawm
    
    Totally voluntary as well – until it isn’t.
    
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    May 3, 2022 1:20pm
iMP

Anyone can trespass anyone (within limits). At end of day it is Police discretion whether to enforce the trespass (arrest if subject won’t leave). That would be the test, if Stephen or Winston turned up to use the parliamentary library or eat a sandwich on the lawn, the police would have to approach and tell them to leave and arrest them if they didn’t.

PLEASE Stephen or Winston . DO THIS with social media cameras rolling!!
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May 3, 2022 8:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think that is correct. The owner of a property can issue a trespass notice to anyone. So can a tenant of a commercial or residential property.
  
  https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1980/0065/latest/whole.html#DLM36943
  
  I am fairly sure that Mallard can trespass anyone from Parliament. But as you say, it would be a headache for the police if they had to get involved in what looks like a political issue.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:09am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    Hi Benedict
    
    Mallard can’t. McGee in Parliamentary practice is clear following the case Police v Begg et al.
    
    Mallard is subject to the Bill of Rights and so his use of his power to tresspass is severely restricted. It has to be consistent with being reasonable in a free and democratic society or some such wording. Banning someone for two years is not consistent. Clearly.
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:39am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Thanks for that 🙂
      
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      May 3, 2022 9:45am
    - Hebe123
      
      Sorry accidental down tick! Good interview this am on the Platform!
      
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      May 3, 2022 9:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s public land, he should not have that power, Peters has got his orders now, and has gone to his lawyer, I just wonder if Seymour will get one too, he did meet protesters the same as the others.
    
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    May 3, 2022 12:15pm
- MCōs
  
  Winston Peters wasn’t a protester.
  Matt King, whose political career is circling round the plug hole, was looking for anything to keep his name in the papers.
  In that respect being trespassed from parliament grounds on threat of arrest is mana from heaven.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Rubbish, both men had their political had their political career are circling, and both were there to get their names in the paper, Peters is rotten, smirking as he wondered around for 20 minutes before getting an escort to the pub, where as King spoke to protesters, told them not to be unruly, listened to peoples concerns, so don’t try and suggest the rotten Peters somehow entered on his high horse
    
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    May 3, 2022 12:29pm
  - MCōs
    
    So Winston has been trespassed too!
    On the one hand that will do nothing for Trevor Mallard’s career as speaker if the PM wants to restore some gravitas to the position.
    On the other, despite appearances Winston will be laughing. This sort of controversy makes him look just like the put upon victim that’s propped up his career all these years.
    
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    May 3, 2022 1:33pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      I hope (but doubt) that everyone remembers that it was Winston who put all these useless Muppets in power in the first place!
      
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      May 3, 2022 2:21pm
- curry4me
  
  Yes, indeed. I’d even sub to the Ferald if the article with pictures was there.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:52am
Ron Jeremy

Anyone else think that what the farmer and the son did to the toe rags that broke into his house was fully justified? Hope the judicial sees it the same way . A man’s house is his castle. Break in and steal shit expect things to get nasty if your caught.
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May 3, 2022 9:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Unfortunately Ron, mans natural instinct to take measures to protect his property has been taken away from him.
  I’m fully aware the bleeding hearts will advocate these measures were excessive, but such people have never found themselves in a similar situation.
  A bit of bad luck about the finger, but that’ll teach the thief not to finger other people’s property eh?
  Such measures are more meaningful than home detention!
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Be interesting to see when 5he fulls story comes out, forgive me for being cynical but I almost think it’s possible the home invaders may have lied in some part(s) of their storys.
    
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    May 3, 2022 6:07pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will be hit with the full force of the law, but they have been put in the position because of soft on crime government policy.
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:30pm
cas

I wonder of the modelling on the sea level rise etc released in the last few days has
1. Been peer reviewed
2. Been using the same modelling that told us we would get 80,000 deaths.
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May 3, 2022 9:15am
- G152
  
  Evidently the claim is that a bit of CO2 in the air affects the land and shrinks it…
  Only a green
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:51am
curry4me

Freedom and Rights Meeting in Rolleston

Last night there was a Freedom and Rights meeting in Rolleston. Mr Tait was there. So was Brian Tamaki. The main idea put forward was to pool all available party votes, and offer them to the party most likely to support the movement’s objectives. Nobody there had much time for the current parties in parliament. The New Conservatives got some favourable comments. There were about 70 people present. Of that 1/4 were Maori.
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May 3, 2022 9:19am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a7xn49EPvk&list=RDCMUCoUkea_dZioNSJbi1vWDZkA&index=16

The Forgotten Genocide of New Zealand | Maori Warriors, Moriori, New Zealand Wars.

This is about the invasion of the Chatham Islands by Maori warriors, and the murder of the pacifist Moiori there. [I guess this won’t make it into the new syllabus. / sarc. 11:59]
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May 3, 2022 9:19am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWGAnqRWsew

Sean Plunket interviews Matt King
Sean Plunket talks to Matt King following the news he has been trespassed from the parliamentary grounds. [Aren’t we lucky to have such a freedom loving government? / sarc 10:35]
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May 3, 2022 9:19am
Maggie Pie

My partner has never been called for Jury Service….but says he wouldn’t mind being the Foreman on this trial 🙁

‘Father & Son apprehend violent-scum-burglars in dad’s home. Pop gets hit on the bonce with a bottle. After a scuffle, they manage to restrain offenders until Police arrive.
Then the police CHARGE THE VICTIMS with assault’.

SHEESH!!!

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1521014403805589505
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May 3, 2022 9:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Ummmm in this case I think the family may have issues. Looks like the burglars were subdued. Then the son of the father arrived and went nuts:
  
  “He was then instructed to hold out his right hand and a kitchen knife was used to cut off his little finger, between the first and second joint.”
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He can think himself lucky my partner reckons.
    If this was Riyadh, he’d have had his whole right-hand amputated!
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      If the facts are as reported, the son, at least will likely be convicted.
      
      They should have stopped when the pair were subdued.
      
      Having said that, what would the police have done if the pair of burglars had not been bashed and one had their finger amputated? We will never know. Would the police have charged the property owner for pointing the shot gun?
      
      IMO if you are at home and someone breaks through the front door, you should be allowed to threaten the use of a firearm and to shoot them if they move to attack you. But torturing them after they have surrendered – I don’t think so.
      
      Will be an interesting trial.
      
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      May 3, 2022 9:51am
      - peterwn
        
        Would the police have charged the property owner for pointing the shot gun?
        Pointing the shotgun to subdue the offenders would be a reasonable self-defence response. Hence it would be extremely unlikely that the Police would have taken action on this. However the following acts that resulted in real harm to the offenders went well beyond ‘reasonable’ and if I was on a jury I would have no hesitation of finding those responsible guilty of these acts (assuming media reports were correct).
        Incidentally the Police could check shotgun registration, storage, etc and could lay charges if there were any infringements there. However this would not mean that the self defence action would be ‘unreasonable’.
        For example a prisoner somehow acquired a sharpened shank which of course was highly illegal under the law and in particular prison regulations. He used the shank in self defence, was charged with assault with a weapon but was acquitted by a jury. That possession of the shank was highly illegal did not mean he could not use it for self defence if reasonably justified.
        
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        May 3, 2022 10:17am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Was the shotgun in a safe, or just in the cupboard? Were the cartridges in the gun, or retrieved from elsewhere?
        Things like that will set the woke Police off.
        
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        May 3, 2022 10:38am
    - Nickc2
      
      It was also an Olde Seafaring tradition whereby ‘Tealeafs’ as they were called had finger(s) unceremoniously severed.
      This practice served as an indicator to Press Gangs not to uplift people with missing fingers to serve on Ships of the Realm.
      
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      May 3, 2022 10:08am
    - Frank the tank
      
      And emigrate to New Zimbabwe afterwards. I remember drinking through Hendo one day and seeing 3 ‘hooked’ individuals. I’d dare suggest Mt Roskill is similar.
      
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      May 3, 2022 1:05pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    If these two teens had broken in to a house in Texas, they would now both be dead.
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:52am
- Rocky Jnr
  
  Its one thing to give the little toe rag a bit of biffo, its another to cut off his finger!
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    If they were Japanese, Yakuza justice would have been more brutal but more appropriate.
    
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    May 3, 2022 7:04pm
- curry4me
  
  If he does ever get called for jury service, make sure he wears casual clothes. If he is well dressed, he will likely be challenged.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:54am
  - rouppe
    
    I went through a spate of getting called for jury service, a total of about 7 times in 5 years, ended up on about 3 juries, one of which lasted as long as foreman selection at which time the defendant caved and pled guilty.
    
    I wrote to MinJustice and asked why I was getting called so often when so many around me were never called. Haven’t been called since
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:11am
  - MCōs
    
    Years ago when I was called up for jury service for a murder trial I wore a jacket and tie.
    There were about six defendants each of whom had a number of challenges. All the slobs were challenged and I knew if it came to me, well down the list, I’d be on the jury, which I was.
    When my wife was called up for jury service a couple of years ago, by contrast, pretty much nobody was challenged.
    
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    May 3, 2022 12:48pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The writing was on the wall when the Key protege attempted to breakdance during a cricket match by spinning on his shoulders giving the press a picture of the decade.
Now he shows he’s also tone-deaf as he stands on the railway tracks with his sign for tax breaks for the rich; meanwhile, the Attorney General mines the tax data of the rich while Chris fools himself into thinking that he’s talking for the masses. Time for another u-turn and backtrack, or just a spin in the opposite direction, again?
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May 3, 2022 9:25am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “the Key protege”
  
  You say that like it is a bad thing.
  
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  May 3, 2022 9:36am
  - Yabster
    
    BY -ignore it will soon get sick of talking to itself.
    
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    May 3, 2022 9:44am
  - Its only I
    
    Trolls need reply to reproduce.
    
    And get paid.
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  Can we compare it to the backtrack Our Glorious Leader did on a wealth tax yesterday Brian?
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Only one person backtracking yesterday FFS
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:33pm
rangitoto

O’Sullivan wins 18 – 13 to equal Hendry’s record of seven titles. Trump put up a valiant effort in the second to last session.
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May 3, 2022 9:45am
- septic skeptic
  
  Thanks for that. Saved me the time of watching the recording.
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:15am
Paulus

Have you seen the new Green Party changes where the leaders positions and ethnic affiliations have been changed.
Looks as though James Shaw is toast – don’t shut the door on your way out James.
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May 3, 2022 9:53am
- septic skeptic
  
  I’ll be glad to see the back of him. For some reason a few Nats figure he is someone who they can work with when it comes to sacrificing our lifestyles and economy on the climate altar.
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:18am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The party is nearly 50% of the Gay persuasion and 20% are Imports from Overseas.
  
  Now they are so woke that only people holding the XY Chromosome or have a smidgin of Maori blood can be leaders!!! How WOKE
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Apparently there has been a huge row in the weekend, they could not get a consensus on anything, rotten media have agreed to keep things secret for the meantime
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:34pm
Tauhei Notts

Tony Stuart opened today’s General Debate with a well written piece about that contemptible and reprehensible individual; one Trevor Mallard.
My concern is that such a serious example of misjudgement by our Speaker will be merely a “beltway” issue, of interest to those vitally interested in politics such as readers of this site, BUT it will have little impact on Janet and John Public.
I use the words contemptible and reprehensible to describe Mallard after consulting two online dictionaries. The first showed a word with two meanings; firstly the female genitalia, the second a contemptible person. The other dictionary had two meanings for that dreadful word; the first the female genitalia, the second a reprehensible person.
Years ago Muldoon had been guilty of some idiocy but Mallard makes Piggy look like a raw untrained amateur.
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May 3, 2022 10:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But Mallard is a male… so no need to despoil female genitalia by associating them with his name.
  
  What’s wrong with using – prick, dick, or tool – as slang descriptors for a contemptible male?
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:31am
  - Its only I
    
    Male or Female, when they are that big they are useless.
    
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    May 3, 2022 11:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Thanks Tauhei. Now that Mallard has trespassed Winston Peters, we can be assured that it’s no longer a beltway issue. I only hope that Peters isn’t so pissed off and offended that he hurries down to Tauranga, nominates for the upcoming by-election, and causes his usual mischief and obfuscation.
  
  As for Mallard and anatomical descriptions, the old joke is apt; he recently had an arsehole transplant, but the arsehole rejected him 😀
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:51pm
Maggie Pie

ROAD-TO-ZERO ?

And if this doesn’t make JAG’s head explode….nothing will 😀

https://twitter.com/tuidelescribano/status/1518579239720792066
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May 3, 2022 10:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’ve spent time in Ho Chi Minh city, and traffic is exactly like this. What amazed me was the lack of road rage. Drivers just accepted that there would be delays, moved carefully and allowed others to merge and pass.
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:40am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yea indeed. Vung Tau has been a regular call for me.
    Same in shipping. Chaos. But always find a way through.
    Other side of river to Ho Chi Mihn.
    Great spot.
    
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    May 3, 2022 1:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Genter would fix it in a lightning flash. Simply triple the price of fuel
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:44am
Captain Mainwaring

So the mad greenies have changed the rules so that they don’t need a male co-leader but one of the co-leaders must be a woman and one must be a Maori. Marama already ticks both boxes.
Sounds like the DCM for poor old James Shaw.
Yet another reason to never vote for the bastards.
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May 3, 2022 10:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yay!
  
  Co-governance in action.
  
  Such a pity if 2 well-qualified non-maori Males are the best candidates…
  or an Asian male and a Pakeha female…
  
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  May 3, 2022 10:35am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I’m actually more appalled that the DWTS audience has demonstrably proven it’s homophobic…
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:45am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Oh Maggy, how antediluvian of you to imagine the Greens will limit their choices of co-leader to only the two actual genders!
    
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    May 3, 2022 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Grief….
      
      How could I forget our transgendered, non-gendered, tripleXXXd, hermaphroditic, diphasic ~~brethren, sistren~~ fellow citizens?
      
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      May 3, 2022 1:25pm
- oldfella
  
  Could the obligatory ‘female’ leader of the greens be a biological male who identifies as female? Just asking.
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:32am
- graham
  
  The Greens, whose stated values include:
  
  “Actively respect cultural and individual diversity and celebrate difference; Enable participation with dignity and challenge oppression; and Encourage new voices and cherish wisdom”
  
  … unless you’re pale or male, in which case you can f… right off, apparently.
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:38am
- I remember when
  
  The Greens trying to govern by accident again.
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:56am
kujira

Now that New Zealand is going to suffer worse sea level rise that anywhere else – does that mean that we will be sailing uphill to Australia? Or Downhill? Asking for my friend – Newton
If sea level will rise by 10cm and we are sinking at 2mm do we add or multiply??? Again asking for my friend Newton
And if it is published in Stuffed is it really news? Asking for my friend C Ommon-sense.
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May 3, 2022 10:37am
Suze Wainwright

Heh, recent announcements in aotearoa’s media have got me thinking about my Church Road TOM Chardonnay drinking socialist mates in Eastbourne, Wellington. It’s now likely their residence will soon incur a wealth tax premium.

On another angle—and being splendid specimens of Chardonnay socialism—they really don’t believe it’s acceptable that their home suburb is included as part of the wider Lower Hutt City!

Well, the good news is that the new fandangled sea rise website is assuring them that in a couple of decades, Eastbourne definitely won’t be part of Lower Hutt…
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May 3, 2022 10:43am
Maggie Pie

ZB’s Kerry Woodham has just been discussing the home-invasion trial…. where the victims have been charged with assault for attempting to protect their lives and premises from violent scum.

She mentioned the case of ‘Beverly Bouma’……
brutally raped and murdered in their farmhouse while her husband and children were held at gunpoint.

It makes for sickening reading….

https://truecrimenz.com/2020/01/16/case-15-beverly-bouma/
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May 3, 2022 10:49am
- rouppe
  
  It was the second time they’d been there. When asked “what were you doing there the answer was “to nick the car again”.
  
  So why were you in the house? And why did you enter a bedroom?
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:02am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  And back then you couldn’t even argue colonization as a defense – really unfair times…
  
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  May 3, 2022 11:03am
- artemisia
  
  Fourth time the burglar hit that property. Probably won’t be doing it again – consequences.
  
  Actually not much of a consequence compared to what it could have been.
  
  Where’s Jack Reacher when you need him.
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:43pm
Surely Knott

Bernard Orsman’s herald article. Intensification is not where you think it is, shows that there are 9 important business hubs in Auckland not 1.
This article might be better headlined – Agenda 21 – did the UN get it wrong. And then he should go onto explore where the investment and development went.
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May 3, 2022 10:58am
Frank the tank

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128515804/live-finance-minister-grant-robertson-sets-out-new-debt-cap-in-first-prebudget-speech

In other words – debt is so high that we have had to manipulate the way we report it. Obviously went well over the head of the feckless reporter…..
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May 3, 2022 11:00am
Loddenthinks

This is disturbing. I don’t want to draw any hasty conclusion about the alleged perpetrator. Perhaps it was a “sexual emergency”?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300578403/friendliness-cost-her-woman-allegedly-violated-after-showing-kiwi-hospitality
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May 3, 2022 11:06am
- David Garrett
  
  Lodden: A perfect illustration of the reality that Islam – and the beliefs of its adherents – is and are totally incompatible with our western democratic society.
  
  Reading between the lines of the story, this guy is going to claim that in his culture, an unsupervised woman engaging him in conversation, let along inviting him into the house, was the behaviour of a whore, or at least a sexually loose woman. The jury might even buy it FFS.
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:55pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Interesting article. So the woman invites the man into house – “kiwi hospitality” – and is raped by “Mohammed Abdiwali” who is 30 denies the wrongdoing and believes he had consent is the gist of the article. It doesn’t mention his job, his country of origin, citizenship status, or history of other crimes or give a photo.
  
  But in 2014 a 23 year old man of the same name was also committed of rape – they give a photo and his country of origin . He committed rape he said because he wanted to be deported. The judge said he had “obsessional beliefs”,” 33 previous convictions since 2009, primarily for burglary.”
  and was “at high risk of re-offending and high risk of harm to others, he said.”
  
  Surely this is the same guy?!? Why aren’t we given the same level of detail as 2014 so we can identify him 100%. But the name and age are consistent with it being the same person. So why are they hiding his past convictions in the current article and focussing on the womans kiwi hospitality. instead of the issues around his serious srepeat offending, and why he wasn’t properly supervised or deported as requested.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/molester-offends-in-bid-for-deportation/UUED4R4FWGOXF27IZKBYMGM52A/
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:56pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Great find, SurelyK, but even more disturbing that he committed that crime (and 33 others), and it was noted by the judge in 2014 that Abdiwali had been “assessed at high risk of re-offending and high risk of harm to others.”
    
    Prophetic words.
    
    Side note: she did not invite him into her house. They were walking around the garden and he asked for a drink of water, then followed her into the house.
    
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    May 4, 2022 9:37am
Maggie Pie

On a lighter note…watched DWTS last night.

No surprise to me that the public vote saw Eli & Johnny eliminated.

Right from the start I had them in my bottom too.
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May 3, 2022 11:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  LOL!!!
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  You might want to rephrase that.
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:31pm
- MCōs
  
  I hope you had a shower first.
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The type of NZ we would rather not know about

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/128491836/caregiver-who-murdered-5yearold-assaulted-him-daily-before-his-death

Who sanctioned the placement of the 5 year-old in Barriball’s care?

Who checked on the facilities the child was living in?

Who checked on the “care” the child was receiving?
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May 3, 2022 11:32am
- My
  
  And earlier on BY mentioned the the “Road to Zero” road death campaign by JAG and co. Sort this out first. These are our most vulnerable.
  
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  May 3, 2022 12:00pm
- Surely Knott
  
  And why are the media hiding the identity of the accused? No pictures of the child murderer in the stuff article. The Herald article shows the person accused of being an accessory in full but the person accused of the murder has a pic only showing the top inch of their head. Have they changed their identity. Was their name and identity now, the same at the time of the offending? Why are the media hiding her?
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/sisters-in-court-charged-in-connection-with-te-puna-boys-death/H6AAEWHLLRJUMGUVKJHA2IQ7RA/
  
  Also the caregiver lived in a sleepout without running water at the back of the property. and they would shower etc in the main house, given some of the daily abuse included being held under water in the bath. Who was living in the main house? Surely they should be charged too. The child was so malnourished they hadn’t grown. Surely household members who don’t report the severe abuse of a child are accessories.
  Did the kindy report the kid to police if not why not? The cyfs caregiver should be named.
  
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  May 3, 2022 1:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Kelvin reckons he’ll sort out what went wrong.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300579006/childrens-minister-kelvin-davis-wants-answers-from-oranga-tamariki-over-murdered-5yearold
  
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  May 3, 2022 2:45pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Must be an election coming up.
    
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    May 3, 2022 3:00pm
Ross Campbell

To try and justify Russia’s ridiculous assertion about Ukraine being full of Nazis even though the leader of Ukraine is Jewish himself the halfwit Lavrov has trotted out the old conspiracy theory about Hitler being part Jewish himself.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61296682
No doubt all the useful idiots on here will provide a barrage of links to the usual lunatic fringe sites to try and claim its actually true.
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May 3, 2022 11:48am
I remember when

“There are no bad kids only hurt ones.” Aaron Hendry: Newsroom:
Yeah/Nah.
Perhaps technically correct, however once there is more than one generation of bad it gets hard to reverse.
How many kindergartens has Aaron Hendry ever taught in.
This is where the stopping of the being bad has to start.
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May 3, 2022 11:55am
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-new-vaccine-pass-system-revealed-new-personal-vaccine-history-journal-planned/MPPJKKMMDTXFAVSU7SZPEGRJHA/

FMD. I know it’s a rhetorical question but is the government collectively mentally retarded?

Why establish a voluntary vaccine certificate – nobody will fu$king use it. Why do we continuously piss our taxpayer dollars against a wall yet have a 31B infrastructure deficit.

This makes me so angry.
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May 3, 2022 11:59am
I remember when

NY Times: “It’s life and death.”
The mental health Crisis Among US Teens:
Depression, anxiety and suicide are alarmingly on the rise.
In December, the UG Surgeon General warned of a ‘devastating’ mental health crisis among adolescents, and health providers have called it a national emergency.

It will, of course, have nothing to do will the endless ‘Covid’ and ‘Climate Change’ horror stories in the press/media.
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May 3, 2022 12:10pm
I remember when

Claiming long-term stake in the sect0r, Porsche has invested an additional $75 million in Highly Innovative Fuels Global (HIF).
Under the agreement, Porsche will acquire 12.5% of the e-fuel manufacturer.
Their relationship dates back to 2020 when they invested $24 million in a Chilean e-fuel refinery.
The plant is expected to start producing hydrogen and CO2 based e-fuels later in 2022.
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May 3, 2022 12:16pm
- virtualmark
  
  Porsche and Siemens are working with HIF on a synthetic fuel project in Chile.
  
  Basically it’s based on using a surplus of cheap (wind) electricity to capture CO2 from the atmosphere, combine it with green hydrogen, and make “carbon neutral” hydrocarbons.
  
  Already proven in lab, this is first pilot-scale plant.
  
  Will be interesting to see how it goes. I suspect Porsche upping their stake in the programme suggests it’s going well.
  
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  May 3, 2022 1:57pm
Spring Bank Westie

I notice another stealth move from NZTA and other wowsers.

Despite general disapproval and numerous submissions from out our way, the speed limits on Cobham Drive and Ruahine Street have been surreptitiously reduced, to 60kmh and 50kmh respectively.
Good luck getting out of Hataitai netball courts or Wellington Rugby clubrooms, or to ASB Stadium on time this winter.
“Let’s Get Wellington Moving” sounding even more and more like a laxative than a transport initiative these days.
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May 3, 2022 12:26pm
In Vino Veritas

Heard Josie Pagani on radio this a.m. bemoaning Labour not progressing a wealth tax. She claims 1% of the wealthiest own some massive percentage of NZ’s wealth. Interesting she knows this as didn’t Parker himself say this data wasn’t available? Pagani must have some amazing analysts backing her. Or is she just making shit up regurgitating socialist sound bites?
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May 3, 2022 12:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Josie must have not got the memo from Jaspinda to STFU. Parker must have got it
  
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  May 3, 2022 2:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not a wealth tax, it is CGT, oh no, wait.
    ‘I have a working group thinking up a new name’
    JA
    
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    May 3, 2022 2:44pm
- Niz
  
  This wealth equity nonsense gives me the shits.
  I saw some headline (I try to avoid encouraging the MSM by reading their articles) where Seymour disputes there is a wealth equity issue, with an obvious implication that there should be wealth equity (what an idiotic idea).
  People make choices. Some people work, invest, takes risks, and make money. Other piss everything they have up against a wall. Why would anybody expect wealth equity between those groups? What would be ‘fair’ about trying to address this (non-)issue by taking it from wealthy people? Will the people who are bad with money suddenly stop pissing it up against the wall if we give them money taken from someone else? I doubt it.
  NZers need to get it out of their heads that wealthy people are some kind of problem, and/or that we can simply make things better by taking what they have off them. Given the way NZers seem to vote, I suspect it’s a pretty popular way of looking at things though. Quite depressing.
  
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  May 3, 2022 2:46pm
Surely Knott

Interesting article. So the woman invites the man into house – “kiwi hospitality” – and is raped by “Mohammed Abdiwali” who is 30 denies the wrongdoing and believes he had consent is the gist of the article. It doesn’t mention his job, his country of origin, citizenship status, or history of other crimes or give a photo.

But in 2014 a 23 year old man of the same name was also committed of rape – they give a photo and his country of origin . He committed rape he said because he wanted to be deported. The judge said he had “obsessional beliefs”,” 33 previous convictions since 2009, primarily for burglary.”
and was “at high risk of re-offending and high risk of harm to others, he said.”

Surely this is the same guy?!? Why aren’t we given the same level of detail as 2014 so we can identify him 100%. But the name and age are consistent with it being the same person. So why are they hiding his past convictions in the current article and focussing on the womans kiwi hospitality. instead of the issues around his serious srepeat offending, and why he wasn’t properly supervised or deported as requested.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/molester-offends-in-bid-for-deportation/UUED4R4FWGOXF27IZKBYMGM52A/
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May 3, 2022 12:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think you can safely assume its the same chap….or otherwise he has a namesake who has been in a bit of trouble in PN lately.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300060471/sex-offender-who-wants-to-be-deported-breaches-release-conditions-four-times-in-six-months
  
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  May 3, 2022 1:40pm
David Garrett

Anyone notice this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/128516360/lydia-kos-period-pain-is-not-an-excuse-its-a-valid-reason

Some years ago the long serving CEO of the Employers and Manufacturers Association was subjected to great odium and lost his job for daring to suggest that some women were adversely affected by their periods, and some to such a degree that they had to have time off.

Now years later, it’s “brave Lydia Ko makes a statement of the obvious”, that having one’s period is a perfectly valid reason for not performing up to par…so to speak.
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May 3, 2022 12:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Menstrual leave is on the cards at quite a few work places..
  
  https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220426-could-menstrual-leave-change-the-workplace
  
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  May 3, 2022 1:36pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Maggy: So perhaps Alistair What’s his name can ask for his job back? It would appear he was a man ahead of his time rather than Neanderthal sexist.
    
    I felt incredibly sorry for him at the time, watching the excruciating footage when he thought the camera was off as that bitch Mihi-great-long-Maori-name Forbes set him up.
    
    That said, perhaps he should have been awake to the dangers, having been in a relatively public position for a long time. I remember doing a “dealing with the media” course back in the day…particularly with regard to recorded interviews….the presenter kept repeating in a loud voice: “the interview is NOT OVER until Elvis has left the building”
    
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    May 3, 2022 2:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Alasdair Thompson
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/alasdair-thompson-walks-off-interview-over-sexist-claims/BITKSFTF246LRJEIFM3FIQP57A/
      
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      May 3, 2022 2:36pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Maggs: Jesus, it is eleven years since this happened! Unbelievable.
        
        I stand by my point: Thompson says something very like what Lydia Ko did and he’s labeled a “Neanderthal” by all sides…Ms Ko says the same thing, and it’s portrayed as some sort of victory of feminism and openness.
        
        Crazy world…don’t know how I am going to get through the last part of my life.
        
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        May 3, 2022 2:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shit! Wait until the males that can get pregnant get hold of this. I am guessing that if these pussies can get pregnant, they also menstruate and take birth control measures so they are not pregnant all the time?
    
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    May 3, 2022 2:33pm
Nickc2

No, you couldn’t dream this shit up! Hunter Biden is to receive $50,000.00 per month for his seat on the Department of Homeland Security’s Disinformation Board.
https://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/.a/6a0177444b0c2e970d02942fa8a613200c-pi
No nepotism in the Land of the Free eh?
You could bet none of the Trump kids would even get inside the door of the Department.
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May 3, 2022 1:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  Are you sure that’s not … disinformation?
  
  Interested to see if you can find any official confirmation that he’s been appointed to that board, or that he’s being paid $50k per month (which seems a ludicrously high number).
  
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  May 3, 2022 1:54pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You have the headline, research it yourself. I seriously doubt Michael Smith would publish stuff he hadn’t verified first. He is an ex-copper and Army SNCO.
    
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    May 3, 2022 2:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Uptick, but it is the ‘bee’ after all
  
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  May 3, 2022 2:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    10% to the ‘big guy?’
    
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    May 3, 2022 2:27pm
- Ehlana
  
  Isn’t the Babylon Bee a satirical site?
  
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  May 3, 2022 2:53pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yes
    Lol
    
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    May 3, 2022 3:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Try this Ehlana:
    
    https://babylonbee.com/news/new-zealand-to-sink-entire-country-into-the-sea-to-stop-single-case-of-covid
    
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    May 3, 2022 3:57pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this worth sharing with the group to see if people feel like we do?

An Asian couple recently moved into a property not far from us.
Haven’t actually met them, but I waited once while they backed out their driveway when I was taking Gladys for a walk.
She smiled and waved, but he just ignored me.

The thing that really grinds our gears….when the Council empties the Rubbish Bins every Friday, rather than taking theirs straight back inside, they leave it sitting out on the Berm for days afterwards.
I’ve actually started to go along at night, and put it in front of their gates, so they’ve got no alternative but to remove it

But the thing that concerns us is…..what on earth do they do with all their smelly rubbish in the meantime? 🙁
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May 3, 2022 1:48pm
- David Garrett
  
  Good Lord! Of course one cannot be prepared to put up with empty bins on the berm!
  
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  May 3, 2022 1:55pm
- David Garrett
  
  I suspect you have never considered it Maggie…but I strongly advise you never to move to the country. In short, there are many much worse things than empty bins left at the end of driveways out here in the rural sector.
  
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  May 3, 2022 3:29pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Maggie won’t be moving from Otahuhu anytime soon. And she already has an imaginary seaside home for the weekends.
    
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    May 3, 2022 3:32pm
- MCōs
  
  Maybe, like us, they don’t have much rubbish.
  
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  May 3, 2022 3:30pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Why did you have to say they were Asian. Couldn’t “a couple living near us” have sufficed?
  
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  May 3, 2022 5:55pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    If it offends you soo much info@….just downtick & scroll down.
    
    You and that other sad-old-queen ‘milkey’, come across as someone who lost their virginity to a sock.
    
    Just saying
    
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    May 3, 2022 6:50pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      At age 74 I have no idea of what “lost their virginity to a sock” means. I do, however have an idea of what racism means. BTW, I did not downtick you, that would be other people that thought your racist rant deserved a downtick.
      
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      May 3, 2022 7:29pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Actually, after thinking about it I confess that I might have downticket you. Hard to remember things at this age.
        
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        May 3, 2022 7:31pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Fair enuff info…no need to explain 😀
        I’m quite sure a lot of people read my posts and think….I hope she’s getting psychiatric help.
        
        But nothing ‘racist’ describing someone as Asian, FGS
        I just wanted to make it clear they weren’t Mexicans.
        
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        May 3, 2022 7:58pm
Diogenes

Dear David, re “Of course one cannot be prepared to put up with empty bins on the berm!” (I presume you are being sarcastic.)
Our refuse truck drivers are not exactly known for their careful replacement of bins on the footpath. Try being a blind person, or a person in a mobility scooter, or any number of other people who need a clear footpath, and then repeat your assertion.
I frequently move bins when I walk in my neighbourhood — because they are obstructions — for the sake of others.
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May 3, 2022 2:23pm
David Garrett

This one is going to be interesting:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300578534/gunpoint-standoff-before-teen-burglars-finger-cut-off-court-hears

For those who can’t be bothered with the link, here are what we in the trade call the material facts:

1. Scumbag and his girlfriend invaded the guy’s house intended to steal his car – and by his own admission, to stab the occupant;

2. Said scumbag – whose bail conditions precluded him from leaving Auckland – had stolen and damaged the guy’s car several times before (the offending took place in the King Country);

3. Home owner had a shotgun and called his son to assist him;

4. After son arrived, he – the son – cut off the scumbags little finger.

Home owner facing several serious charges, including “strike” offences. Both accused claim self defence.
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May 3, 2022 2:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  DG, see my comment at 10.38.
  Woke Police will be focusing on the gun – in a cupboard, maybe not in a safe, and possibly loaded.
  The children will walk away free imo
  
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  May 3, 2022 2:54pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve: I suspect you are right…much will depend on the composition of the jury. Given that the trial is in Hamilton, it’s quite likely that some of them at least live rural, where help from the polis is a long way away, both in distance and time. (This all took place in a little one horse town called Piopio, where even the nearest police in Te Kuiti probably weren’t working in the early hours).
    
    The guy made a number of mistakes, the most obvious of them telling the 111 call taker “Oh, I’ll shoot them alright.” Still, that’s a judgment well removed from the scene. The bloke looks to be 50 plus…so he would have been shitting himself.
    
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    May 3, 2022 3:14pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Would you classify cutting the intruder’s finger off as another ‘mistake’?
      
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      May 3, 2022 3:34pm
      - David Garrett
        
        No…I think he would have been justified in shooting the prick…but then I am a right wing property owner who lives in the country…Do tell us Milky…do you own your modest three bedroom in Naenae or Tawa?
        
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        May 3, 2022 4:20pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Let me be abundantly clear: After the 3S law my next project in parliament was to pursue an NZ version of the “Castle doctrine”, under which anyone who is found in another’s home – the house not just the property – without lawful excuse has no rights at all…and the occupier of said house is absolved of any liability for what happens to the intruder.
        
        You might say someone who invades your home at night has a number of rights Milky; I unashamedly say they don’t.
        
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        May 3, 2022 4:31pm
      - skyblue
        
        No. I call it justice.
        
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        May 3, 2022 4:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        If the criminal in question has no rights, would your ‘castle doctrine’ have empowered the homeowner to capture the intruder and torture him to death? Seems to me that would be a powerful deterrent.
        But I’m surprised that would have been your next legislative project, had your past not caught up with you.
        You have frequently complained how many offences a criminal needs to have committed before being finally sent to prison. Wouldn’t you have been better off advocating for minimum prison sentences for, say, third-time offenders, irrespective of age or circumstances? And perhaps extending the concept of criminal responsibility to encompass jailing the parents of juvenile offenders?
        
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        May 3, 2022 5:00pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        The thieves are lucky to be alive. If two people enter your bedroom at 1:30 in the morning and hit you with a wine bottle and threaten you with a knife while you are lying in your bed and then admit that their intention was to “F you over” then it would be unlikely that a jury of your peers would convict you for anything that you did to those criminals.
        
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        May 3, 2022 5:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fail at funning for POTUS a third time?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4lr1j8uvj31cza5/Clinton%203.jpg?dl=0
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May 3, 2022 2:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Prob better if the tent was orange
  
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  May 3, 2022 3:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is it funning, running or punning, Steve?
  
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  May 3, 2022 3:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    running, another one of my typos. I own it
    
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    May 4, 2022 7:49am
Maggie Pie

Just happened to catch departed Labor List MP Louisa Wall’s replacement….. Lemauga Sosene, being sworn in at the beginning of QT this arvo.

Like most people who tuned in, that will be 10 minutes of my life I’ve never get back.

SHEESH!!
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May 3, 2022 3:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shortened QT. Run out of time for more? It is 4pm now
  
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  May 3, 2022 4:00pm
greybeard

“Children’s Minister Kelvin Davis”:
Dear God, the poor children.
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May 3, 2022 3:55pm
Sean OConnor

Roe vs Wade getting overturned is going to be magnificent. Alito’s draft is gold.
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May 3, 2022 3:59pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There is no way that abortion will be made illegal. Too much electoral support on both sides of centre so toxic for most politicians to ban it or allow ban to stand. This is a tar baby for Republicans
  
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  May 3, 2022 4:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Now the republicans have got their dream of punishing women for their healthcare choices, will they be like the dog that caught the car?
  
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  May 3, 2022 5:03pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    No, more like this thwarts the Democrats plan to stop there being too many Blacks*- in their view.
    Just like the ‘good ole KKK days’.
    
    * Abortion rates amongst Blacks are huge, disproportionately so.
    
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    May 3, 2022 5:39pm
  - mandk
    
    Being pregnant is not an illness, so to characterise abortion as women’s healthcare is plainly wrong.
    
    On the other hand, abortion is plainly a healthcare issue for the babies. It kills virtually all of them.
    
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    May 3, 2022 6:20pm
- krazykiwi
  
  From The Telegraph:
  
  The US Supreme Court has reportedly voted to overturn the landmark Roe v Wade decision that legalised abortion in America half a century ago.
  
  Experts described it as a “constitutional earthquake” which would remove the nationwide right to abortion, leaving individual states to decide.
  
  An initial draft majority opinion was leaked to Politico and showed that the country’s highest court had decided on an issue that has been massively contentious for decades.
  
  In the draft opinion Justice Samuel Alito, who wrote it, said that the 1973 Roe v Wade decision to legalise abortion was “egregiously wrong from the start”.
  
  Four other justices voted with Justice Alito to overturn it. They included the three justices nominated by Donald Trump – Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett.
  
  The Republican-appointed justice Clarence Thomas also voted with them, to give a majority on the nine-member court.
  
  The opinion will not be final until it is released by the court, and the justices could change their position.
  
  That meant, as of today, abortion was still legal.
  
  After an initial vote among justices following oral argument, one justice is assigned to write a draft of the majority opinion. It is then circulated among the justices.
  
  At times, in between the initial vote and the ruling being released, the votes can change. A ruling is only final when it is published by the court. Experts said a change in this case seemed unlikely.
  
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  May 3, 2022 5:12pm
Hugh Jarse

Wow the Greens and Labour are making the Maori Party look normal, it would be nice to think current events with the Greens co-leadperson (he/she) and Mallard are the low point in New Zealand politics but sadly I think we have further down to go yet before we can get to some form of normal.
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May 3, 2022 5:46pm
info@cruzpro.com

The Taxpayers Union is fundraising to support councilors who oppose 3 waters (and presumably intimidate councilors not against 3 waters).

A cause well worth contributing to. As a ratepayers in Whangarei much of my rate dollars over the last eight years went to finance the construction of our newly opened water treatment plant. Now Mahuta wants to confiscate it and tell us how to run it. Screw that!
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