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Mike

Happy International Jazz Day!
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April 30, 2022 8:02am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Suggested album to celebrate the day: Bill Bruford “If Summer Had Its Ghosts”. Even many non jazzers like this album. 😊
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:39am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Billy boy was in many good prog rock bands!
    
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    April 30, 2022 5:38pm
    - Jade Warrior
      
      He sure was. Five of them I think. But not Jade Warrior. 😉
      
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      April 30, 2022 7:41pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Regarding the Ram Raids. I say attempting to blame bad behaviour today on events that may have taken place 200 years ago is the sign of desperate losers.
  
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  April 30, 2022 10:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Not quite jazz, but here is ‘Ram’ by Paul McCartney:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrZDCpyTGpY
    
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    April 30, 2022 10:17am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf53QrzRDoY

Jacob Rees-Mogg to Abolish Offices of Civil Servants Who Refuse To Follow Orders

If people continue ‘working from home’ they might lose their expensive London offices. Or they may no longer have their snout in the trough. [4:16]
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April 30, 2022 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  Good idea c4, but would it work here where the home dwelling public servants provide Labour with data without which Ministers would be lost? I presume the taxpayer continues to pay rent on mostly vacant city offices.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:46am
  - curry4me
    
    It might work here if the likes of ACT made National do it. Otherwise, no chance.
    
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    April 30, 2022 7:52pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/29/note-for-rees-mogg-office-attendance-is-no-guarantee-of-efficiency
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:07am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oxYLuM3F0wY/

Poll Disaster as Trump Poised to Crush Biden in 2024!

We’ve got some polling disaster as of today as President Trump is poised to absolutely crush Biden in 2024! We’re going to look at that polling disaster, we’re going to see how it relates to the upcoming midterms, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal how even leftist liberals are admitting that their days in power are indeed coming to an end. [10:54. You’ve heard of Candy Crush. This is Brandon Crush.]
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April 30, 2022 8:04am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Biden is in decline. He likely won’t be able to do a campaign.
  
  Trump also is no spring chicken.
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:05am
  - curry4me
    
    Hunter’s laptop is the excuse the Dems need to dump Brandon. That explains the MSM saying it’s real. With Cackles as ‘president’, the red wave in the mid-terms might be smaller.
    
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    April 30, 2022 7:53pm
- Dairy Flat
  
  I’m hoping for Cindy Crush, electrolly speaking.
  
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  April 30, 2022 12:12pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, a lot of us are waiting for that.
    
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    April 30, 2022 7:54pm
CJames

With all the ram raids occurring, most committed by youths who know the police can’t touch them and the police are not allowed to chase, will the government admit there is a real problem? Or will we just get more platitudes about how it is society’s and social media’s fault, and they just need more love and a benefit increase? Do pigs fly?
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April 30, 2022 8:05am
- Gravelroad
  
  If you ask the police here (small town variety) they say by far the biggest societal problem they face is seemingly out of control drug use – especially meth.
  Yet this is seldom mentioned by the experts, professional or amateur, as something worth worrying about,
  Too hard?
  Nobody cares that kids are left to their own devices while Mum and Dad are incapable on the couch?
  Maybe some of these adults have to stop focussing on their own needs and think about someone else occasionally.
  Is there a huge illegal drug use problem here through all NZ – not just certain publicised areas?
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:20am
  - NK
    
    Why use the word “illegal”? These types don’t care if it’s illegal. It’s just “drug use”. These types would partake whether it’s legal or not.
    
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    April 30, 2022 8:38am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes, I’ve even seem some of them smoking tobacco and drinking alcohol!
      
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      April 30, 2022 9:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s increasing use of meth –
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/465949/meth-use-rises-significantly-during-august-lockdown-remains-elevated
    
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    April 30, 2022 8:43am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It was one of the negative outcomes from Ardern’s covid policies, particularly lockdown. Increases in drug use, alcohol abuse, family violence and abuse , mental health etc etc. Ardern doesn’t give a flying fark about the health and wellbeing of the citizens of this country and never did.
      This narcissist did everything to impress her overseas audience and her overlords at the UN and WEF.
      
      “Look at me! I’m doing the covid circus harder than everybody else! I’m the greatest at shredding human rights! We jabbed more with a jab that doesn’t work! We locked down harder than everyone else! We had more restrictive mandates!”
      
      What a total disaster. She almost makes Biden look functional.
      
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      April 30, 2022 9:41am
  - pdm
    
    `Yet this is seldom mentioned by the experts, professional or amateur, as something worth worrying about,’
    
    Someof your `said experts’ are probably indulging in meth or other hard drugs themselves so are not, and nor should they be, in a position to comment.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:03am
  - kevn
    
    @Gravel… Far north is the worst apparently. Something to do with having big remote coastal areas?
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    “Drug use” is a ‘progressive’ issue .
    
    It’s cool you see . Came from the US underclasses into their music “scene” and then into celebrity circles and from there kinda ubiquitous .
    
    “Where America goes …….”
    
    In the political world ( other than certain libertarians)byou have to wonder why it was the far left Greens first , and now more generally other left parties that have pushed legalisation so relentlessly , along with the media pardy / entertainment industry .
    
    How many times have you heard otherwise generally sensible , respectable commentariat types repeat the ” if you can remember the ’60’s , you weren’t there” statement with their silly , knowing laugh.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:28am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      KT: “Drug use” is a ‘progressive’ issue.”
      
      I think this article expands on your thoughts quite well:
      
      ‘Luxury beliefs’ are the latest status symbol for rich Americans:
      
      https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/luxury-beliefs-are-the-latest-status-symbol-for-rich-americans/
      
      Simply replace “Rich Americans” with rich lefties. Same deal.
      
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      April 30, 2022 7:04pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Further expanding on loony left “luxury beliefs”:
        
        Bari Weiss on Substack:
        
        How “Luxury Beliefs” Hurt the Rest of Us:
        
        https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/honestly-how-luxury-beliefs-hurt?s=r
        
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        April 30, 2022 7:10pm
- Simon
  
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  Low IQ. NZ better young work force will head overseas. Luxon will import 100,000 Indians pa as a replacement work force and the lower IQ will be pushed further aside. It’s population displacement. It’s the neo lib way.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:30am
  - NK
    
    What’s the socialist way?
    
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    April 30, 2022 8:40am
    - kowtow
      
      Does it have to be a choice between two bad policy strategies?
      
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      April 30, 2022 10:18am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      The socialist way created the problem and maintains it. Take away rights and responsibilities and replace them with hand-outs. Create generations of useless dependent people and blame capitalism. Repeat.
      
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      April 30, 2022 12:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Why are they heading overseas? That’s right, Ardern has screwed the country socially and financially over the last 4 years so those young people have no future.
    Well done Brenda, bravo.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:43am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes, our greatest export for the forseeable future will be Taxpayers. That’ll pan out well, won’t it?
      Well done you incompetent bastards who call yourselves a Govt!
      
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      April 30, 2022 9:53am
    - cmm
      
      “Why are they heading overseas?”
      
      Sure, you can blame Cindy short-term, but what about long term? Is National offering a light at the end of the tunnel?
      
      If there was real hope for real change it would be a different matter.
      
      Even those that choose to live here (for now) are often working for overseas companies. For example well over 90% of my customers are overseas and my son works for a local development office of an overseas company too.
      
      Neither of us are really participating in the NZ economy and building NZ companies beyond paying tax here and buying groceries from New World etc.
      
      So blaming Cindy is only part of it. The picture won’t change much when she goes.
      
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      April 30, 2022 10:11am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True. It is unlikely that NZ’s long-term relative economic decline (over 50 years now) will be reversed any time soon.
        
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        April 30, 2022 10:19am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        cmm I agree, at this stage National are offering nothing substantial to improve things, I can only say that I cannot imagine how things can possibly get worse. I do believe Ardern is the worst PM in NZ history and that the damage she has done to so many aspects of life in the country is immeasurable and the negative effects will take many years to recover from.
        Sadly I have to say that my primary goal is to see the back of Ardern, then deal with what fills the void.
        She is an utterly destructive force for this country.
        
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        April 30, 2022 10:37am
      - bjools
        
        “So blaming Cindy is only part of it. The picture won’t change much when she goes.”
        Yes….95% part….she is the only one with the power to DO anything.
        The rest is just talk.
        So to blame cindy, is totally correct.
        
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        April 30, 2022 10:43am
    - fernglas
      
      If you want to know how many are heading overseas, check out the Customs arrival and departure figures.
      https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-arrivals-departures/
      With the exception of one day so far this month, daily departures have exceeded arrivals by up to 1100, and if this trend continues, the country could be losing close to 20,000 people PER MONTH!!!
      
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      April 30, 2022 10:39am
      - artemisia
        
        Could be much much worse than that, depending on who is leaving and who is coming in. And how long they are coming or leaving for.
        
        Young tradies in my family looking hard over the ditch, say the plan is to make some money and come back, but will they? They have more cousins over there than here, most second generation Australians, with good jobs, own homes and now starting families. Attractive prospects.
        
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        April 30, 2022 1:01pm
- Philview
  
  Policing by consent. We leave the criminals alone and they…….
  What really happens is we get the Wild West.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Govt will admit to nothing. Lefties, it is always someone else’s fault
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:48am
- Niz
  
  I suspect it’ll get reported on big time if/when a centre-left party (AKA National) ever gets back into power.
  A bit like how people sleeping in cars was in the news every night until they got booted out of power.
  At the moment though, the government doesn’t have to do much about it because if it isn’t in the news, it isn’t really happening.
  
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  April 30, 2022 10:00am
Ra Henare

It occurs to me that all Kiwis should join the Maori press and include our affiliations.

Example John Smith(Quebec,Dorset)

Or should it be that Maori should include their non Maori side eg
Ra Henare (Ngai Tahu, Norfolk, Normandy)
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April 30, 2022 8:09am
- Loddenthinks
  
  A good idea, although the first you mention is a tribe, while the other two are regions. To use the correct nomenclature, it should be:
  
  Ngai Tahu
  Ngati Chicken Farmers
  Ngati Smelly Cheesemakers
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:07am
  - Than
    
    Somewhat splitting hairs. OK, perhaps technically it should be John Smith (Québécois, Dorsetine), but using the region serves basically as well.
    
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    April 30, 2022 1:07pm
- David Garrett
  
  Ra: Good on you Sir, acknowledging both sides of your heritage. I am forever having to remind my “Tongan” son that he is also half palangi, and that both sides of his heritage are important.
  
  Funnily enough, up in Tonga to be described as a “half-half” is seen as a compliment, not an insult.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:10am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    There’s obviously no White privilege to be had by not conveying one’s whakapapa at every opportunity. If I had any White privilege, I’d imagine that everyone else would be creating opportunities for me, lowing their expectations for me, and falling over themselves to avoid offending me. Yet, there’s none of that. Quite the opposite in fact.
    
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    April 30, 2022 11:22am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Sadly RR that excellent piece of reasoning simply goes over the heads of the enraged race twits.
      
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      April 30, 2022 5:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and include our affiliations
  
  But why?
  
  Does the fact that you affiliate to Ngai Tahu reveal anything to me about your character, your abilities, your view on life, your past experiences, etc.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Seems to me to be copying an Australian affectation .
    
    Seriously , I can’t recall it being done prior to the George Fentanyl Floyd arrest . After whch event these things really took off from the hands of the bought and paid for Media pardy.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maybe we need to add which sports team we support??
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:45am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Satire!?
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:49am
  - Ruahine
    
    I would like to affiliate to/with Ngai Tahu. That Iwi has the most money I believe.
    
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    April 30, 2022 10:03am
    - David Garrett
      
      Rua: Well funnily enough, in this age where you just have to “feel” Maori and you are one, that particularly iwi take a much more restrictive view…to share in the largesse I understand you actually have to prove Ngai Tahu blood, and more than a smidgen of it. Feelz and a fish hook just won’t cut it.
      
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      April 30, 2022 12:28pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yet their CEO for many years was a whiter-than-white pakeha from, IIRC, Scotland.
        
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        April 30, 2022 9:30pm
    - kowtow
      
      Down south there’s a joke that NT are the ‘white man’s tribe’ and the fact is that after the Gnats largesse with our money towards ’em they had a huge influx of folk who found it was financially quite profitable to have rediscovered somewhat suddenly their ancestry .
      
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      April 30, 2022 2:00pm
- alloytoo
  
  alloytoo(Celt, Viking)
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:36am
blue collar

Carn Luzon , go Seymour ….. labours on the ropes , finish the bastards off .
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April 30, 2022 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Luzon is an island in the Phillipines.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:48am
  - blue collar
    
    Carn Benny boy , you know damn well the x is by the z and going by my monikor I hv giant fat thumbs 😅
    The one time you don’t proof read 🙄
    Still a long way to go to g the giants standards … ( love ya posts and the editing getting better cobber ) 👌
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:21pm
- Truman lodge
  
  I wonder what my life will be like under Maori rule? Can Anglo kiwis of settler stock get refugee status in the motherland? Or will I be condemed to a life in the fields while our Maori overlords relax in mansions drinking ch latour and driving ferrari cars.. Because they were here first.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    Better still, claim to be a direct descendant of Tame Horomona Rehe (Tommy Solomon), the last full-blooded Moriori. Then, you could lay claim to all land, industry, and infrastructure in NZ and go about collecting royalties off all non-indigenous citizens of NZ or whatever Moriori called these fair Isles.
    This will make the ToW null and void eh?
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:51pm
Yvette

3 Waters
As seen on 1 News at 6 yesterday evening, and on 1 News website –
Victim of Havelock North water contamination hopeful for Three Waters
A Havelock North woman who fell ill for weeks after drinking contaminated drinking water in 2016 is hopeful the Government’s Three Waters reform will bring about positive change.
Around 5500 residents became ill and 45 people were hospitalised following an outbreak of the waterborne disease campylobacteriosis in August 2016. It’s also believed to have contributed to four deaths.
…” Drinking rainwater from the roof wasn’t really an option with all the contaminants that you can get so moving into town was quite a treat because suddenly, I could drink in excess from the tap,” [a woman, who does not need to be named] told 1News.
Soon after her arrival, heavy rains battered paddocks in the region and contaminating the water with what is believed to have been sheep faecal matter.
“We had that big rain event on the Sunday. By Wednesday I was in hospital being told to drink a lot of water, stay hydrated, so I did. [1]

This woman seemed to not be aware now that Taumata Arowai – https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz – is the new water services regulator for Aotearoa New Zealand. We are committed to ensuring all communities have access to safe drinking water every day. We also have an oversight role in protecting the environment from the impacts of wastewater and stormwater.
This new Government – 4th water – entity has been fully operational since mid November last year.

1 NEWS seems to not be aware that Taumata Arowai exists either.
Which may be the way Ardern’s Labour Government wants it – since the Havelock North water contamination disaster is the key element of their “3 Waters” argument.

[1] https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/29/victim-of-havelock-north-water-contamination-hopeful-for-three-waters/
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April 30, 2022 8:13am
- NK
  
  I’m always amazed how the sheeple put so much faith in government and bureaucrats to make their lives better. This lady got sick drinking water, and she genuinely believes, it seems, that the solution is a massive, unaccountable, co-governed, shambolic behemoth. It’s like the perennial, “I don’t know what the question is, but the answer is more government”.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    This lady is probably the figment of a Labour activist’s essay on the wonders of Government policy.
    Could be real however, I think Covid has more than adequately illustrated the stupidity of a large segment of the population, Jacinda will now save 50 million Aotearoans from death by water borne pathogens.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:05am
  - Yvette
    
    NK, while I do agree with you, the point is that the new water regulator, Taumata Arowai (doesn’t seem to have a name in te reo English), carries out the job, or should, of ensuring water purity, so for this lady, her concerns have nothing to do with “3 Waters”, which is pipes, not what is in them.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:07am
- pdm
  
  Our daughter lives in Havelock North and was very sick due to the contamination.
  
  Not a problem that could be said to be caused by the Havelock North Water Supply since it was restored – nor her family.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:07am
- Nickc2
  
  Given that we have Taumata Arowai to monitor and manage water quality in NZ, what the eff do we need 3 Waters for? IMO, Councils still own their water Infrastructure and are responsible for its planned, preventive, and corrective maintenance and anything else they want to do with it. Under Taumata Arowai, it’s Council’s responsibility to remedy any anomalies reported to them by Taumata Arowai.
  IMO, 3 Waters is nothing other than a grab for ownership of water by Maori and must be resisted by all or any means possible.
  A march on Parliament would be a good start.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:11am
- I remember when
  
  The problem in Havelock North was not the water supply.
  It was that a design fault allowed ‘contaminated’ water to enter the supply system.
  This was exacerbated by safety check system failures.
  Heavy rain batters Hawke’s Bay every year and the resultant ‘contaminated water has not resulted in this problem.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:13am
  - I remember when
    
    The ‘contaminated ‘ water entered the water supply through a Council installed fixture.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:34am
    - Colville
      
      Water was sucked in via a split (rusted) well liner after a dry period and the ground had shrunk away from the liner.
      Heavy rain and overland flow allowed animal shit to go down the hole and be sucked into the water supply.
      A basic check would have caught it IF Council were competent.
      
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      April 30, 2022 12:51pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story eh? And, never stand in the way of Maori and someone else’s Cheque Book.
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  A Ratepayer initiated Referendum on the subject is called for ASAP!
  
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  April 30, 2022 10:05am
- Ehlana
  
  Yesterday I looked at the TV1 coverage of the Three Waters announcement. It includes a graphic which purports to illustrate that these four new entities will save a lot of money. There is no title, no explanation, but I guess the figures are meant to be per household per annum. You can see it here: https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/29/three-waters-government-pushing-on-with-reform-plan/
  
  Later, the article states “Without reform, households are facing water costs of up to $9000 per year”. But none of the figures in the graphic shows a cost of $9000. The highest is under $5000.
  
  The article also claims “an estimated cost of $180 billion to fix New Zealand’s broken and decrepit water infrastructure.”
  
  Nowhere does it explain how the “savings” from 3 waters are going to happen. If the cost to repair something is $180 billion, how does re-arranging the governance structures reduce the cost?
  
  Does anyone else remember how we were told that amalgamating Auckland’s councils would deliver savings to the ratepayers? Any sign of those yet?
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:43am
  - David Garrett
    
    Does anyone else remember how we were told that amalgamating Auckland’s councils would deliver savings to the ratepayers? Any sign of those yet
    
    Well there were savings, initially, but my old boss and the Nats underestimated the power of the bureaucracy. After the super city amalgamation 8000 bureaucrats lost their jobs for redundancy…within three years they’d all come back, and more.
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:32pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes, I personally know someone who profited under that regime. When she went back, it involved and promotion and many more $ks as well.
      
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      April 30, 2022 12:37pm
blue collar

Been thinking the chatter about musk and his opinions on race and wokeness is only going to bolster the rights chances in Nz as it opens up the publics eyes to the madness going on here aswell
Keep on tweeting musk !!
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April 30, 2022 8:15am
- Philview
  
  I have read several articles in the NZ media attacking Elon Musk. Strange how they weren’t bothered by him before.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:44am
  - cjn
    
    I read that Musk tweeted that he was going to buy Coca Cola and put the coke back into it. And MacDonalds and fix the icecream machines. They’re all for that on the Bee. I think he learned from Donald Trump that is fun to troll.
    
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    April 30, 2022 1:27pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Given that National, in lieu of any real countervailing alternative, have adopted the majority of the leftist worldview without question, it may even open up some very serious criticism of our so-called right as to their motivations and intentions.
  
  The pushback, the repeatedly expressed falsehood that free speech poses as “threat to democracy” and attempts to slander against Musk are very instructive indeed. The whole duopolistic system is so totally based on lies that it simply could not survive a situation where people are allowed to freely speak on probably the most influential media platform in the world. If the system didn’t need this censorship in order to survive, they wouldn’t be doing it.
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:36am
Ron Jeremy

Beautiful morning off to feed the pond . Plenty of ducks around this year. Can’t wait for this time
Next weekend, everyone getting pretty excited .
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April 30, 2022 8:16am
- blue collar
  
  Good luck RJ , best part of Nz , the annual natural bounties , whitebait season , trout season , duck season Snow , summer beaches , autumn snapper fishing ….. all sorts but never too much of anything
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:50am
- gorse
  
  Ron, long range weather, looks like light winds and high cloud if any. Ducks will be high, might need to buy anti aircraft guns to reach them this opening. Good luck anyway.
  
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  April 30, 2022 8:53am
- pdm
  
  My father in law is probably bouncing around in his grave in anticipation.
  
  The worst place to be in New Zealand on the night before duck shooting was in their house. Lights on, doors banging, phone calls to the people picking him up to make sure they were awake and on time at 4.30am. Not to mention the chain smoking.
  
  Worst possible outcome was when his ride didn’t arrive and I had to take him 20/30ks to the dam – talk about panic.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you see a very light (yellowish) mallard, could you please tell her to fly home to Kaiti Hill. Mummy & Daddy are missing her terribly.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:32am
- Colville
  
  Best thing about duckshooting is that I can go hunt deer and no one else is in the hills 🙂
  
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  April 30, 2022 12:54pm
Yvette

3 Waters
Under the Three Waters model, local councils will remain the owners of their water assets but will not have control over them. Their influence will be via regional representative groups (RRGs) – 50 percent council members and 50 percent iwi – who will appoint members to the new independent boards overseeing water service delivery.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/government-confirms-public-shareholding-for-three-waters-here-s-how-it-will-work.html

• Any 50 – 50 Maori to non-Maori representation must suffer the same prejudice against non-Maori as displayed and condemned in the ‘Rotorua Bill’.

• Such so-called “co-governance is outside Article 3 of the Treaty of Waitangi, and if Articles 1 and 2 say something different, as many construe, then they contradict Article 3.

• And when Taumata Arowai – https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz – is the new water services regulator for Aotearoa New Zealand (established November 15, 2021), why is there any Maori “50 percent iwi” in “3 Waters” at all, as there is enough Maori cultural appropriation in Taumata Arowai – the 4th part, but first established entity of “3 Waters”?
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April 30, 2022 8:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  According to the propagandists, the assets will still be owned by the councils, which of course is BS. In the same article on 1Ewes last night, they stated that “the transfer of assets is to begin soon” or similar. Can’t have it both ways you lying, stealing, socialist propagandists.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “• Any 50 – 50 Maori to non-Maori representation must suffer the same prejudice against non-Maori as displayed and condemned in the ‘Rotorua Bill’.”
  
  I keep saying this. Luxon needs to oppose this 50 / 50 concept on every front and promise to kill it when he forms a government. He should also affirm that the Treaty is not a partnership. And he will legislate to define new Treaty principles.
  
  Nothing less than this will work.
  
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  April 30, 2022 10:02am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The treaty principles were defined 35 years ago. I think the acceptance of them by successive governments indicates a very solid political consensus in their favour.
    
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    April 30, 2022 10:25am
    - Than
      
      LOL. Thanks mikenmildagain, I needed some entertainment this morning.
      
      If you truly believe there is a political consensus around the “principles” of the Treaty (and certainly around the policies those undefined “principles” are being used to push through) then you are completely delusional.
      
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      April 30, 2022 1:19pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Oh OK everything is fine., 🙄
      
      Time for a new consensus. New Zealand has declined economically and socially. Productivity performance is by far the worse in the OECD. There is nothing in these “Treaty Principles” that will allow New Zealand to prosper.
      
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      April 30, 2022 1:40pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      It was disingenuous lawfare that only the loony left support.
      
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      April 30, 2022 5:46pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Exactly. I believe there are many more votes to be gained than lost by being anti-co-governance and if Luxon doesn’t realise and act on this, Seymour will beat him to it.
    
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    April 30, 2022 11:21am
- Unity
  
  What’s the point in owning something but having no control over the asset? What’s the matter with the people of this country? Can’t they see what’s going on? It’s time we did away with ethnicity determining what’s happening and all united as one. The Treaty needs to be filed away as it’s meaning today doesn’t remotely resemble what it meant when it was signed. It’s skewing everything and giving one ethnic group something they are definitely not entitled to. It should relate only to the time it was signed and absolutely nothing today because today doesn’t resemble one iota the 1840’s. File it away!! It achieved its original aim long long ago (182 years ago – nearly 2 centuries for heavens sake!!). Wake up people before it’s too late.
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:30am
Yvette

3 Waters
In an article on NEWSROOM website, prominent lead article yesterday evening, but buried now –
Govt under pressure to guarantee debt of big new water corporations

A carefully “cherry-picked” paragraph –
Yet most agree with the principle of achieving balance sheet separation, so councils and water corporations don’t constrain each other’s ability to finance new infrastructure. “That’s an investment that most current councils cannot afford,” says Crosby.

And the judge of that balance sheet separation is neither the taxpayer nor the ratepayer, but the faceless officials of the credit agency S&P
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-under-pressure-to-guarantee-debt-of-big-new-water-corporations

Is this what the whole of the new “3 Waters” entities are about? – the ability to finance separate from the Government, and in fact the ability, also, to fail financially, if it does, separate from the Government.
Is Maori co-governance in fact a bit of a betrayal already in this instance, and a hopu whero, red herring, as well?
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April 30, 2022 8:22am
- Matt Long
  
  If/when the Maori named and cogoverned water entities fail who will pick up the tab, fix their failed processes/systems and rotten infrastructure? By creating these monoliths they will isolate accountability from delivery.
  I presume customers will be looking forward to overseas call centres with 5 hour waits to get problems recorded but not rectified.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:12am
  - Matt Long
    
    Perhaps a future Lange/ Douglas style government will sell them off to the Gates foundation for Penny’s on the Pound.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:14am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Are you looking forward to the day when our water infrastructure has so deteriorated that it will require a fix from the world’s great philanthropic foundations?
      https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-growth-and-opportunity/water-sanitation-and-hygiene
      
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      April 30, 2022 10:27am
      - Matt Long
        
        The Gates foundation says it is good?
        How very surprising.
        
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        April 30, 2022 1:58pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Even if NZ pumped their water table dry (highly unlikely), they could run ocean water desal plants with hydro electricity.
        
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        April 30, 2022 5:47pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Lange/Douglas style government? you do realise the government who won the benches in 84 (no MMP) was an out and out Labour government, there was no separation from Douglas, he was a Labour party MP and minister of finance, ACT were no where to be seen for a couple of elections yet, in fact i dont think they had MPs till 96 when MMP started
      
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      April 30, 2022 12:45pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I’m holding Lange/Douglas as the worst Government I remember until the present one.
        
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        April 30, 2022 1:56pm
- Yvette
  
  And a footnote thought, while sitting on the loo with the sound of rushing water departing, if “3 Waters” goes up the creek without a piddle, turns to custard, goes sideways, or even tits up, without Government debt guarantee does a massive financial liability fall then on the shareholders – the councils! (with no operational say in their assets) – and in turn on ratepayers (with even less than no say in our assets)?
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:18am
  - Hebe123
    
    When we are unable to drink the water coming out of our taps we have bigger problems than who pays. I fully expect that if this proceeds it will be the Waikaremoana situation on a massive and deadly scale.
    Here in Christchurch they plan to steal close to 7 billion worth of assets with 1 billion of debt. Looks like we will then pay for the repairs on assets all over the South Island . Except we won’t pay for repairs, we’ll just pay, and just like mental health services, there will be no output.
    
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    April 30, 2022 1:00pm
- Prince
  
  Robertson is running out of ‘Covid funds’ to throw at his Party mates.
  The ‘3 Waters funding’ will provide $B’s more to borrow, spend on the arts, media, unions, gangs, beneficiaries, bureaucracy etc, and call it ‘Water Infrastructure Spending’.
  
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  April 30, 2022 10:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    Too true – unfortunately!
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:24pm
igm

What have Luxon and his woke MPs got to say about this crap?
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/04/30/co-governance-is-happening-whether-you-like-it-or-not/
Suppose they support it!
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April 30, 2022 8:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon has stated there will be no co-governance, or shared management of any services, all they support is the stupid terms of the state of things like rivers or lakes, no ownership or taking of the natural body
  
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  April 30, 2022 12:48pm
Tomtoddy

The removal of the von Tempsky place names is peurile and unwarranted. It is part of the dangerous but quite pathetic attempts to revise our history.

Gustavus von Tempsky was a colourful character who seemed to enjoy far too much chasing around the North Island in search of a bloody fight, being a skilled swordsman. But he was also a unique water colour artist and an accomplished singer.

Erasing names and events from our history is juvenile and indicates a contempt for reality and truth. It is part of the “feelings not facts”, rose tinted view of the world that socialists seem attracted to.
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April 30, 2022 8:39am
- Cassandra
  
  I moved into his widow’s house in Grafton, Auckland, a 19th century villa which we converted into offices. He was indeed a colourful character, the original SAS man really. He was no villain and should be remembered.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Rewriting history and changing place names is pathetic, almost as much as trying to get a new street named anything other than in a language a tiny percentage of the country speaks.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:24am
  - kowtow
    
    All this language politics , for that is what it is , is very dangerous and controlling.
    
    This is what orwell warned against in 1984 .
    
    kate Mcnamara has an excellent article in today’s Herald about the language allowed on the Dept of the PM and Cabinet Covid 19 facebook page . Not to mention how much it’s costing.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Is that actually true? Every time I go to a new area of housing the streets seem to have deliberately anodyne names like cedarwood, acacia, or sunflower.
    
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    April 30, 2022 10:41am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I only just found this article from last week about Lower Hutt’s Anzac street names:
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128188274/lower-hutts-anzac-street-names-a-chance-to-reflect-on-history
      
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      April 30, 2022 12:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        The headline in the report Milky links to reads:”Lower Hutt’s Anzac street names a chance to reflect on history.”
        
        Then the caption to a photo of the sign for Jutland Street, reads:”Jutland was naval battle fought in WWI [sic].”
        
        To help Stuff with the history reflection …
        
        The battle cruiser HMS New Zealand took part in the famous Jutland naval battle, the only one in the Great War in which battleships fought each other. The captain of HMS New Zealand during the fighting wore a cloak presented by Maori.
        
        The British fleet commander was Jellicoe, later Governor-General of New Zealand. Praising his role in keeping the German fleet bottled up and a blockade of German ports intact, Winston Churchill described Jellicoe as the only man on either side who could have lost World War 1 in an afternoon.
        
        HMS New Zealand was given to the Royal Navy by New Zealand in 1905. The gift was probably in recognition of the shield that the Royal Navy was and had been, to Australia and New Zealand.
        
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        April 30, 2022 5:12pm
  - MCōs
    
    I was an extra in a 1971 TV movie about von Tempsky. I don’t remember too much about the storyline, but the actor who played the chap, Bruno Laurence or someone similar, had a broad Kiwi accent.
    I suppose that in itself was an attempt to rewrite history.
    
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    April 30, 2022 11:28am
    - Jack5
      
      Did Von Tempsky have a Prussian accent”?
      
      He’d lived and adventured in California and central America before he came to New Zealand.
      
      Whether a white colonial accent had evolved then is an interesting question. Many of the settlers and White soldiers, and especially von Tempsky’s guerillas, would have come from Australia. Had the Australian accent begun to evolve by the 1860s?
      
      An article on the origin of the Australian accent, which many people in the world regard as close to the NZ accent:
      
      https://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/p27481/mobile/ch08.html
      
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      April 30, 2022 4:55pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mcos, not an argument. That’s called drawing a long bow.
      
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      April 30, 2022 5:51pm
I remember when

Just reading where someone is opening a “sustainable” library.
They used to be called Rent-a-book, or something similar, when I was younger.
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April 30, 2022 8:40am
I remember when

Co-governance raises an interesting question.
Is it still co-governance if some/any of the Maori members are less than 50% Maori.
Is a Maori state-of-mind all that is required.
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April 30, 2022 8:46am
- Hebe123
  
  Yeah, perhaps we should add up the actual amount of Maori blood. Assuming that of the 750000 who make up the 15%, only a small number are 50% maori blood and most are like 1/8th or 1/32nd….how much Maori blood is there actually. Not much.
  
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  April 30, 2022 1:07pm
- pdm
  
  There were those that said you are Maori if you feel Maori.
  
  Should we all register on the Maori Roll and vote National in the next election?
  
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  April 30, 2022 6:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our pathetic Prime Minister ..

“They are issues that deserve sunlight and proper debate,” he said.

“It’s frankly pathetic from Labour to try to quietly release these on Friday while Jacinda is unavailable for interviews.”

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/04/29/mahuta-and-robertson-are-flushed-with-enthusiasm-as-they-pump-revised-three-waters-plans-back-into-the-political-pipes/
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April 30, 2022 8:50am
I remember when

“The Racing Integrity Board noted this week that greyhounds that ‘fail to pursue the lure with due commitment throughout the entirity of the race are deemed to be not committed to their sole purpose for racing.'”

I have no doubt many members of KB can see numerous areas where this should be applied.
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April 30, 2022 8:50am
DimChappie

Here’s a link to the latest woke outrage: renaming Police 10/7 because `racist’. What to do about covering all the brown criminals though?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/police-107-rebrands-after-racial-stereotyping-allegations-to-107-aotearoa/JKOASU2PHKVUGUN4U2ADFHTOWU/
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April 30, 2022 8:51am
kiwikidsnz

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/police-107-rebrands-after-racial-stereotyping-allegations-to-107-aotearoa/JKOASU2PHKVUGUN4U2ADFHTOWU/
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April 30, 2022 8:56am
Southern Raider

What really pisses me off about the rising crime is the woke, left, Govt and Police view that it’s mostly the victims problem for not investing in enough security. That woke Counties detective quoted yesterday even called out “car owners” in the long list of groups who need to assist stopping youth crime. Others have specifically said small business owners need to buy more roller doors, bollards and alarms. Same goes for all those signs in places about removing your valuables from cars at public places.

Do we really want to end up like Johannesburg? I don’t want roller doors, bollards, 8 foot razor wire fences and people being too scared to go about their daily lives becoming the norm in our society.

By accepting crime you just normalise it and each year it gets worse.
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April 30, 2022 8:58am
- Ehlana
  
  The bollards one is particularly unrealistic. I suspect more store fronts are already on the property line. Putting in bollards would mean making private use of the public street space. I wonder how many Councils actually allow that?
  
  As for the rest, well, we know this Government takes ignorance to new lows, so, no I don’t suppose they understand the link between more expensive store security and higher prices.
  
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  April 30, 2022 12:51pm
- GJM
  
  It is the same as Significant Natural Areas (SNA). If the council or government decide you have some nice trees,or wetland, they can declare it a SNA. You have to maintain it, fence it, pay rates on it, but cannot do anything with it, and nor can a new owner.
  It is land confiscation in all,but name. I suspect if they had to pay for it all, including purchase and maintenance, they may not be so keen.
  I see in the news a day or 2 back, ther was an article about a land owner having exactly that problem, and all his neighbors were busy clear fellung their sites before the district plan changes.
  
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  April 30, 2022 6:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if The Maori power elite have thought this 3-Waters thing through.

One thing I can guarantee… rain will still fall from the sky, sometimes in great volumes and sometimes infrequently.

When things go wrong with our public water system (as it invariably will) and our household water bill starts to rise exponentially, then folks won’t be blaming the Government or their water provider, they will remember who pushed the reforms through.. and have a very jaundiced view of the effectiveness of co-governance.
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April 30, 2022 9:02am
- Cassandra
  
  That won’t worry the 50% on their substantial fees.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:06am
  - Ehlana
    
    I don’t know if the numbers have actually been worked out yet, but if there are 4 “co-governing” entities, even if each has a dozen Maori representatives, that’s fewer than 50 people across New Zealand. Even allowing for a few hundred more on the local consultative groups, the total beneficiaries will be less than 500 people. From a population of 5 million, that’s 0.01%.
    
    That’s who’ll actually get the 50% say.
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:57pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Odd calculation. 20-odd cabinet ministers effectively control the entire country. Well less than 0.01% of the population.
      
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      April 30, 2022 1:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Further…
  Hitching this particular reform – which was always going to require careful and sensitive political management – to the co-governance bandwagon has also shown a basic lack of political acumen.
  
  There are many areas in which the Government can, and certainly has, pushed on that door. Quite why Three Waters – whose whole idea was to take water out of politics and into utilities management – was considered a sensible one of those is anyone’s guess. Partly, it has clearly been driven by Nanaia Mahuta.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/128488104/how-did-the-government-stuff-up-the-politics-of-three-waters-so-badly
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:10am
- pdm
  
  Maggie – rain now sits within the Climate Change Agenda as it only causes flooding.
  
  Rain now plays no part in Water Supply so 3Waters can safely ignore it.
  
  Labour idiots.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:17am
- PeeJay
  
  I think you are forgetting the typical left / maori playbook on this. Any failure or price rises will not be attributed to the 50% maori ownership. It will be blamed on there ONLY being 50% maori ownership! I can almost hear / read the pathetic spin now – if only we had full control, we could solve all the issues etc.
  
  This doesn’t stop at 50% ownership / governance in NZ.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:35am
- Hebe123
  
  too late by then.
  
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  April 30, 2022 1:08pm
Inandout

Save a few ‘anyone but Trump’ who comment here then Joe’s mental decline must be concerning.

https://www.westernjournal.com/watch-bizarre-gaffe-biden-middle-speech-everyone-missed/
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April 30, 2022 9:08am
RockyJ

In my opinion the biggest issue facing our beloved democracy is the now open push by the Labour government to implement apartheid via cogovernance throughout our society, for example Three Waters.
So far the reaction of we who oppose this has been pretty much to blow hard on social media forums such as Kiwiblog and to wait for the election.
But sooner or later someone is going to call for an on the street good old fashioned pro democracy protest.
What will happen then? Will Maori independence supporters show up with their black and red flags? Will there be a street battle that makes the anti- mandate protest look like a picnic? Will this feed into the government’s view that we are all racists?
Are we up for this?
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April 30, 2022 9:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wife: Did I get fat during quarantine?
Husband: You were never really skinny.
Time of death 4/25/22.
Cause of death: Coronavirus
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April 30, 2022 9:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

My wife asked me why I whispered in the house. I told her: you never know if the Govt is listening.
She laughed, I laughed, Alexa laughed
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April 30, 2022 9:20am
Jack5

Steven Joyce talks up New Zealand’s foreign student industry in an article in the Herald, but in fact much of this industry was a citizenship selling rort.

Citizenship was on sale by universities and secondary schools, and then private colleges, often foreign owned.

The developed world competes for high-quality immigrants in the sense that they have high skills.

In New Zealand there were rorts such as private “IT” colleges, where 90 per cent or more of the students had no intention of going into the IT industry.

Taxi and Ubi drivers, whitewhare-chain staff, door-to-door sales for electricity companies, and pizz makers and delivers often proved to be the high-tech careers that were the end result.

International tech companies like Xero, have been home grown. They have been helped with foreign-born staff (as well as New Zealanders), but these can be recruited fully trained. Further, much IT routine work can be done overseas – cheaper – on contract or by overseas employees based in their home countries. The internet makes feasible NZ based multinationals with high skilled staff in source countries with those countries’ wages and operating costs.

The student visa-rort industry contributed much to New Zealand’s record immigration that has put great pressure on infrastructure, from health to education to local facilities and services.

A top quality immigration policy would have NZ recruiting far smaller numbers of foreigners but with far higher average skills, and skills of more benefit to this country. For example, nurses before teenagers purporting to be early replicas of Steve Jobs but soon planning careers in real estate.

Meantime, is Joyce’s article an early hint that a National Government would push for a return to high immigration?

That policy might buffer our GDP, but hurt our GDP per capita.

For the effective differences, consider India: third in the world in size of GDP, 153rd in the world in GDP per capita.

(New Zealand on 2020 figures, according to the CIA World Factbook, is 65th in GDP and 36th in GDP per capita.)

Eighteen months to the election. It will be helpful to know political parties’ immigration policies.
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April 30, 2022 9:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The country is going to have to replace the mass exodus of skilled NZers that have started fleeing the country or we are in serious shit
  
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  April 30, 2022 12:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    The country is moving towards an inflation crisis. Demand for all workers will slow when the government is eventually forced to take strong action.
    
    A “mass exodus of skilled New Zealanders,” means exodus to Australia, whose economy and living standards are soaring away from New Zealand equivalents.
    
    How New Zealand competes with richer Australia for skilled workers will be interesting.
    
    Some who migrate to New Zealand do so because it’s a back door to Australia, which still seems to have, at least in effect, some White preference in its immigration.
    
    It will be interesting to see how long Australia keeps the “back door” open to New Zealand citizens and residents. If that shuts, it may well make it harder for NZ to recruit skilled people overseas.
    
    Time for us to focus more on training and educating New Zealanders.
    
    Which will provide, relative to other countries, a higher standard of living, as measured by GDP per capita? Reasonable speed, internally driven, economic growth; or fast pure GDP growth from high immigration?
    
    The powerhouse growth of the United States, with its vast resources, was enabled by high immigration over centures. That was accompanied by an assimilation drive (schools, flag saluting, pledges, super loyalty, etc).
    
    New Zealand’s recent high immigration was accompanied by official and unofficial promotion of a culture of multiculturism, the antithesis of assimilation. Our grandchildren will find which approach is better.
    
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    April 30, 2022 1:40pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The people will stay in NZ if the way is forged for them to succeed, this government is about costs on businesses, costs on rental owners, taxes on this snd that, utterly pathetic, why would anyone want to stay
      
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      April 30, 2022 8:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Taxpayer’s Union (from FB)

The Taxpayers’ Union has spent the day closely examining the Government’s “revised” Three Waters plan unveiled this morning. In short, the Government is forging ahead – and the minor tweaks to the scheme actually make Three Waters even worse overall.
Here’s what New Zealanders need to know:
⚠️ There are no significant changes to the co-governance arrangements. That means there are still four layers of bureaucracy between you and the new water entities, and the representative groups remain 50-50 co-governed between iwi and councils.
⚠️ The Government will now issue local councils “shares” in the new water entities. But it’s Nanaia Mahuta being deceitful: regardless of their shareholdings, councils (and therefore you & other ratepayers) will still be stripped of all the crucial rights of control that are usually associated with ownership. Councils won’t be allowed to receive a return from the water entities, yet that is specifically allowed for Mana Whenua groups. Ratepayers will no longer “own” the assets in any meaningful sense.
⚠️ There will now be additional bureaucracies set up as part of the reforms, including new “sub-regional” representative groups and a Water Services Ombudsman with a “tikanga-based dispute resolution process”. Yet another layer of expensive bureaucratic fat.
⚠️ There will be yet another costly communications campaign to try to convince New Zealanders of the “need for change”. In other words, taxpayer-funded propaganda is back.
⚠️ Iwi will have their own consultation process for the legislation, separate from the transparent select committee process available to the general public. This is simply unbelievable. For the first time, New Zealand’s Parliamentary process is going to have ‘priority access’ based on race.
Of course, we were never expecting substantial improvements to this fatally flawed policy. Mahuta knows exactly what she is doing, and the “independent” Mayoral Working Group was always set up to be a sham. While the Government has picked up most of the policy recommendations the group was stacked with the very few pro-Three Waters mayors, and was even itself 50-50 co-governed with iwi representatives Ms Mahuta hand-picked!
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April 30, 2022 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I suggest joining them for regular emails/updates
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:26am
- Southern Raider
  
  Have I got this right. Ini [Iwi] are gifted governance control without any financial contribution towards the assets, and can receive dividends? But the ratepayers who for generations paid for the assets, get nothing?
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:37am
- Yvette
  
  Steve Otto (North Shore)
  The Taxpayer’s Union (from FB) summary
  ⚠️ For the first time, New Zealand’s Parliamentary process is going to have ‘priority access’ based on race.
  
  No – I think a Parliamentary process of ‘priority access’ based on race has already occurred in William Jackson’s six month consultation with selected Maori iwi elite on, ironically, “co-governance” – as reported by media just a couple of weeks ago, and presently being rewritten to fit Jacinda’s Labour Government’s agenda.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, Jackson plays the game well.
    
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    April 30, 2022 2:00pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Councils won’t be allowed to receive a return from the water entities, yet that is specifically allowed for Mana Whenua groups….”
  
  What a horror show. Will prices be regulated? Or will Mana Whenua groups use monopoly power to extract monopoly rents from consumers of water?
  
  I heard some Minister yesterday wailing about the evils of privatisation. How is this better?
  
  Privatisation of water is fine so long as it is set up well. I’m not an advocate for it but it is not some evil monster.
  
  I also heard the PM saying this was all about water quality. That is crap. They have just set up a water quality regulator. This is about transferring wealth to Maori. It is as simple as that.
  
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  April 30, 2022 9:54am
  - Ehlana
    
    How can Maori get a return on assets they don’t own, while the owners are specifically denied one?
    They are going to contribute nothing except expense – they have no more expertise in managing water and wastewater, (or stormwater, given the vast changes to our landscape since they were the sole occupants of the country), than anyone else in New Zealand.
    
    The notion that somehow, being of Maori descent, makes you a superior person with much greater environmental understanding and concern is just plain dumb. Race is a human construct with no scientific basis.
    
    The idea that governance should, to any extent, be vested in an hereditary minority is one that has been proved, the world over and throughout time, to serve only the interests of that elite, and not those of the wider population.
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:10pm
- Pongo
  
  I just donated, better there than to National, maybe Ardern and Luxon are holidaying together while this blows over
  
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  April 30, 2022 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:56pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am sick of people telling lies
      
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      April 30, 2022 8:06pm
Lee C

Someone compiled how to implement communism in a democratic state:

https://www.facebook.com/100063477886576/videos/382103607026133/

Luckily for us, this is light years away.
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April 30, 2022 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “You’ve never told a lie in Politics?”
  “No, no”
  The applause was deafening
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

Friday News dumps…

“The Government needs to start owning it’s decision making. I’ve seen less clumsy attempts to bury things from a three-legged dog.”

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2204/S00205/another-friday-cover-up-from-labour.htm
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April 30, 2022 9:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sometimes these links work, sometimes not.
Boaters for TRUMP, FB group.
https://www.facebook.com/boatersfortrump/photos/a.107168974322640/592961009076765/
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April 30, 2022 9:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

A must read for parents of teenagers.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tracey-edmonds-lets-all-help-rape-survivors-to-initiate-systemic-change/OUK57E5C5WATTSYZ7QSQIDYK54/

The sexual world our children/grandchildren navigate is much more in-your-face than when I was a teen…. but the same type of predators are still out there… the same silencing forces are still operating.

My two girls got through their teens relatively unscathed (I think), but a couple of their acquaintances didn’t.
I’m grateful to my daughters’ friends for keeping an eye out for them when they were boozing.
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April 30, 2022 9:54am
leoj

Attention National supporters!

Three Waters……..where is te reo Luxon?

Slow, weak, wet and woke……..as usual.
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April 30, 2022 10:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
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  April 30, 2022 1:01pm
cmm

One of my customers is getting all hopped up on diversity. It’s a big thing being pushed from corporate and squeezing itself into every crack of the organisation. Managers are being “encouraged” to hire for diversity and turn a blind eye to professional defects in said diverse individuals.

Being a bit of a sausage club, the group I work with doesn’t seem very diverse, but actually is if you look at it properly:
* Origins: They have people born in UK, Europe, NZ, Asia and Africa (white South Africans are still Africans).
* Languages: English, Maori, Afrikaans, Gaelic, Dutch, Mandarin & Cantonese. At a stretch they can add Xhosa and French.
* Sexuality: not polled.
* Skills: A diversity of engineering: software, digital electronics, analogue electronics, mechanical.
* Motor vehicles: Honda, Toyota, Kia, Mazda.

They’re hiring for a new software development role. They really need a Portugese speaking black lesbian from South America with a civil engineering degree who drives a Skoda.

Extra points if they can also program in Linux.
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April 30, 2022 10:37am
- kevn
  
  @cmm.. You missed ‘disabled’ (in any way) for the full trifecta.
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:42am
- Taieri
  
  They really need a Portugese speaking black lesbian from South America with a civil engineering degree who drives a Skoda.
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  A civil engineering degree from Maldives or Sierra Leone to make it even more diverse. There’re plenty of Portuguese speaking black lesbians in South America after all. Brazil is full of them…
  
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  April 30, 2022 12:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ministry of Truth. Biden has a problem with this guy.
https://rumble.com/v12x0qa-desantis-sends-scorching-warning-to-biden-on-ministry-of-truth.html?
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April 30, 2022 10:37am
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… Biden has trouble. Lots of it.
  
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  April 30, 2022 11:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Poor Biden doesn’t even know it. Sad really, he is just a tool of the rabid left.
    
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    April 30, 2022 12:02pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Biden just follows the centre of the democrat party. That centre is currently batshit crazy far left. Hilariously one of Biden’s advisers blurted in a book that “the squad” (AOC, Ilhan Omar etc etc) are “fucking idiots” 🤣
      
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      April 30, 2022 5:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Green-spin operators

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/128281609/debt-distrust-and-deadlock-how-peace-at-an-idyllic-ecovillage-was-shattered
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April 30, 2022 10:52am
- Swifty
  
  What a mess.
  
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  April 30, 2022 1:17pm
rouppe

Government spends $600,000 for office space it never uses.

Just incompetence.
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April 30, 2022 11:33am
- kevn
  
  @rouppe… Bob Jones is happy, but only with the tenancy leases.
  
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  April 30, 2022 1:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One cure, hammer the fuck out of them at the polls.
  Every Labour Govt has done the same. Tax and spend, and leave NZ in a train wreck every time.
  
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  April 30, 2022 2:08pm
Nickc2

Elon Musk says he tried to buy the Biden family, but China wouldn’t sell!
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/04/brilliant.html
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April 30, 2022 11:44am
dave_c_

More waste of tax payer dollars, that we don’t have !

$600k being squandered for prime Auckland office space- Courtesy of Labour incompetence, and presumption that ALL their announced plans will come to fruition.
600k for empty (unused) office space to manage the defunct (as in scrapped) bridge cycleway.
Such incompetence is criminal
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April 30, 2022 11:49am
- Nickc2
  
  Find out who owns the office space in question and check their affiliation or otherwise to the Akld Council.
  
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  April 30, 2022 12:33pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Did a title search and a company search of the registered proprietor.
    Nothing to suggest linkage there. Dry hole.
    
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    April 30, 2022 3:26pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Apparently the lease signed by Waka Kotahi specifically prevents the office in question being sub-leased, so Muggins Taxpayer is stuck with the cost. The photo on Stuff also shows a well-furnished premises, with at least two standing desks, which retail for somewhere between $1500 and $2500 each, lots of wide-screen monitors, and the usual office mod-cons, no doubt all high-end. because you can’t have consultants sitting on chairs from The Warehouse.
  
  It’s more flagrant waste, from a government which seems to have made that their specialist subject.
  
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  April 30, 2022 2:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

See what you done now Brandon? This guy will be your nemesis.
https://rumble.com/v12xmq1-gov.-desantis-were-going-to-reroute-illegals-to-delaware.html?
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April 30, 2022 11:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘The far left hates everyone, even themselves’ E Musk.
https://bongino.com/elon-musk-the-far-left-hates-everyone-themselves-included?
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April 30, 2022 12:00pm
bjools

Just heard a great definition of “neo liberalism”

Looting…… under a smoke screen of racist and gender politics.
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April 30, 2022 12:06pm
Swifty

Isn’t it interesting how our society has changed recently.

Just look at this piece and the absolutely disgraceful racist and bigoted language used by this Maori person that he obviously feels quite appropriate to use:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/128470260/nikora-nitro-unfulfilled-promises-unpaid-debts-and-political-aspirations

Not a word of condemnation from the reporter who would surely make some judgemental comments if it was a European making similar sweeping comments about all Maori.

What a shitty place we’ve arrived at recently.

Total impunity for some Maori to make the most appalling racist and bigoted comments about others (led from the front by some so-called Maori leaders I might add) while other New Zealanders have made huge efforts over particularly the last forty years to strike any and all racial stereotyping and bigotry from their thoughts and language.

Oh and by the way, what a nasty, scamming thieving arsehole but the fact that he’s Maori has nothing to do with it.

NZers should shun him for his language and behaviour.
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April 30, 2022 12:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You’re a racist!! //
  
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  April 30, 2022 2:15pm
Nickc2

Biden’s Chief in Charge of handling Misinformation’s off to a good start:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/bidens-disinformation-chief-there-are-many-non-binary-people-who-give-birth/
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April 30, 2022 1:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is what America is all about. Maximo Alvarez. Older video, but does that matter?
If NZ falls to Jaspinda’s Socialism, we have nowhere to run to – maybe OZ. Do away with this socialist claptrap. NZ is shitting in it’s own nest.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/the-video-dems-want-you-to-ignore-cuban-american-blasts-what-socialism-did-to-his-home/
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April 30, 2022 1:42pm
Pavel

Gee, how woke are these two
https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300570824/a-beautiful-koha-the-pentecostal-church-that-is-handing-its-land-back-to-iwi
I guess it is easy to do when it’s not your money. They are going to give the land now and the building once it’s paid off. I guess it’s a case of easy come easy go.
Something I can’t work out; They got married and now one of them is 36 and they have 4 kids aged 9 to 19. They met at a bar when they were studying. Being 36 one of them was 17 when the first one was born. Aren’t you meant to be 18 to be in a bar? How old were they when they married and how old were they when they left school? The church almost collapsed before they took over due to the last guy having an affair. It’s a real jumble up that article. But then it’s a stuff article, whatever the truth we’re probably not meant to work it out anyway.
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April 30, 2022 1:54pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I also read the article, but my thought was that, considering the bad rap Pentecostal churches normally get from the media. it was very positive towards the church. And Joel Milgate specifically denies that he’s in any way woke:
  
  He’s been asked before if it’s a case of white guilt.
  
  “It’s definitely not that. I’m probably the least woke person you’re going to find. I don’t buy into the conversations that try to divide lines between oppressed and oppressor and privilege and non-privileged.
  
  Also, you can’t blame him for the sins of the former senior pastor, and to have rebuilt the church in the manner he has is commendable. They’re also running a programme for meth addicts without $2.5m of government funding!
  
  I wish the Milgates well, and am glad the media is at least trying to be even handed in the manner it reports the Christian church.
  
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  April 30, 2022 2:48pm
  - Pavel
    
    Well everything he says about not being woke or suffering white guilt doesn’t seem to align with his actions and actions do speak louder than words.
    I noticed too that the media were not giving him crap like they generally do with Christians but make no mistake, he is being used. Theres probably a stuff reporter running round the country right now looking for other churches built on stolen land. That pastor is opening a can of worms. The problem with stolen land belongs with the crown, not individuals.
    
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    April 30, 2022 4:49pm
Benedict Yu

I notice that the wailing about low COVID vaccination rates for Maori has faded away. Despite millions bring spent encouraging Maori parents to vaccinate their children, only 10.9 percent of Maori children are fully vaccinated. 😳 Cant explain that on racism. What a waste of money.
https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data
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April 30, 2022 3:26pm
- Littletramp
  
  The Maori people continue to prove they are “smarter than the average bear”.
  1) Why get vaccinated when it does not work?
  2) Why take medical advice from politicians and journalists?
  
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  April 30, 2022 3:29pm
  - Prince
    
    And only 56% boosted despite the ongoing $M’s being flushed away in ads aimed at ‘E Tu Whanau’.
    Will be interesting to see what happens when they use their veto to deny us foreigners 21st century medical care.
    
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    April 30, 2022 4:49pm
- Pavel
  
  I wish they would get rid of the advertising telling us to get jabbed. If anyone isn’t vaccinated by now I don’t believe they ever will.
  
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  April 30, 2022 4:51pm
  - mandk
    
    Quite right, Pavel.
    
    I will never get the covid vax.
    
    Apart from anything else, it obviously doesn’t work.
    
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    April 30, 2022 6:24pm
    - Pavel
      
      Do you remember when, during the flag referendum, everyone was howling about how it was a waste of money and should of been used to feed “hungry kids”? Imagine how many kids we could feed with all the money being wasted on advertising trying to get the last 5% jabbed. Funny how we never hear that line now Labor are in power. What shits me the most now is how the opposition just sit there in silence when they have mountains of ammo to use against the government. I’m going to vote for the NORML party or Fish and Game or anyone but any of the current mob. Have we ever had such a useless opposition?
      
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      April 30, 2022 7:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC meltdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdDvvni6yfE
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April 30, 2022 3:34pm
Prince

AS Jack Tame would say, ‘when you’re $140B in the toilet, nothing to see here, $600K isn’t worth getting out of bed for.’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128481505/government-pays-up-to-600k-for-prime-auckland-office-space-to-lie-empty
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April 30, 2022 4:47pm
info@cruzpro.com

In addition to high inflation, we’ve somehow managed to cause the NZ$ to get down to 0.63 to the US$. All our imported good will cost more.
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April 30, 2022 6:51pm
info@cruzpro.com

I am the co-owner of a small electronics manufacturing business in Whangarei. We manufacture digital instruments for the marine and emergency vehicle (fire trucks and ambulances) market.

95% of our products are exported which is GST free but we have to pay GST on all our imported electronic components.

When an order for parts comes into New Zealand GST is owing so it gets intercepted by Customs and we have to not only pay GST but have to hire a Customs clearance company to clear it through Customs who pre-pay the GST and charge us extra.

Because we are a GST registered company, we then file a GST return and get all the GST we paid back from the government.

This is very inefficient. Why does the government charge GST registered companies GST if they are going to get it back anyway? It costs us a lot of extra money and takes a lot of extra effort for absolutely no gain to anyone except the companies we pay to clear the goods through Customs and the Customs employees.
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  Our company will not be unique. There will be thousands, if not tens of thousands, of other New Zealand companies having to go through the same bureaucratic nonsense. This causes us to be less competitive globally and increases the costs for our local customers.
  
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