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krazykiwi

Yesterday DPF posted on comparative ‘Covid death’ rates. A question quite rightly asked related to the determination of death with, or of Covid. I made the point that authorities have been guilty of manipulating definitions, and with it historical records, in order to support a political narrative.

Today I learned of one such definitional data crime:

“In an announcement Tuesday, the Department of Health and Human Services said it had redefined COVID-19 hospitalization to include only patients being treated with remdesivir or dexamethasone, drugs used for hospitalized patients with moderate to severe illness. Those hospitalized with milder symptoms or primarily for another cause are no longer included — even if they continue to take up a hospital bed because they are too ill to be discharged.”

This definition allows Covid hospitalization numbers to be deliberately reduced simply by withholding remdesivir or dexamethasone, both expensive pharmaceuticals.

Despite this, and long after this definition change is forgotten, analysts will take and use datasets that are factually incorrect as some Covid sufferers admitted to hospital as a direct result of that illness will have been excluded.
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April 28, 2022 8:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  It is fortunate that your epidemiological expertise will be available in the years to come to provide astute analysis of the myriad datasets that will be needed to draw sound conclusions about death rates, efficacy of treatments, etc. I do not underestimate the scale and difficulty of your task, and applaud the application of you and your fellow specialists to make your knowledge and insight so freely available.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:07am
  - chuk
    
    MikenSARCagain?
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:39am
    - kevn
      
      @chuk… Just spiel from ‘ a believer’ who starts work posting contradictory comment on KB at 8am.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:00am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        How extraordinary. We have a Prime Minister who doesnt believe in the current democracy and wants “sophisicated”democracy what ever that means and an Attorney General the chief law maker who doesnt agree with our Bill of Rights Act.
        As I have said many times the worst Government and the worst governance I have seen in over 50 years.
        
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        April 28, 2022 9:32am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        lastmanstanding
        I doubt that the attorney-general ‘doesnt (sic) agree with our Bill of Rights Act’. I’m not sure if you are referring to his advice about the Rotorua bill or to a comment he might have made about the high court’s MIQ decision.
        The plain language of the bill tends to disguise the balancing act that governments have to perform with respect to competing rights. And the bill of rights is not supreme law – governments may pass laws that infringe on those rights, and have done so many times.
        
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        April 28, 2022 9:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You add nothing to the discussion. If that feeble attempt at sarcasm is the best you can muster in response to a reasoned, thought out and accurate post, you need to jog on. Try The Standard or Daily Blog. It should be around your level of intelligent debate.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:30am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      I’m certainly not going to imagine that intelligent debate is a significant part of the Kiwiblog experience.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:41am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Based on all of your posts which I’ve had the misfortune to be exposed to, I don’t imagine you imagining very much if truth be known.
        
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        April 28, 2022 10:04am
      - Media hater
        
        If you don’t find intelligent debate to be a significant part of the Kiwiblog experience, then why have you been commenting here for literally years?
        
        Nothing better to do?
        
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        April 28, 2022 10:18am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Like most others on KB, as I read the content of the comment sections I naturally form a mental picture of the various attributes and appearance of the other posters. While I cannot be 100% certain at this point, I had an interaction recently with a neighbour who calls himself “John” but, because of his temperament and mannerisms, I suspect is actually the KB stalwart known as mikenmildagain. Post anything he considers a tendentious comment? Mike’s not having it!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P096On5rx4c
        
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        April 28, 2022 11:28am
      - leoj
        
        Admitting that you are unintelligent…..
        
        For once, I agree.
        
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        April 28, 2022 11:54am
    - Yabster
      
      lol if Milky did jog on to the Daily it would raise the average IQ of both blogs….. wink Actually he has sweet fa to do in what ever public “servant’ job he pretends to do so will already be on most blogs- unless that is your job Milk?
      
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      April 28, 2022 10:17am
  - surfing
    
    It’s a fair point… however, a while back the government did say they would distinguish between people who died with covid and because of covid.
    
    They have not done what they would say, so further diminish their integrity and continue to obfuscate covid deaths, dying with covid is being misrepresented as dying from covid.
    
    It’s all very frustrating. The government information vacuum is naturally being filled by people with reasoned guesses.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:24am
- Ra Henare
  
  You didnt say which country this refers to.
  or indeed is it just one of the US states?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sorry, my bad. This relates to New Hampshire.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think it was us not doing the with COVID count , I remember right at the start a guy in the states died after a car accident, he was counted as a COVID death, this government lied on every level, and are now counting like the rest of the world
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Or the rest of the World are now counting like the Labour Govt
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, they were always counting people that died with covid, I think it was a directive from WHO, I think it’s about figures that can be used in history
      
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      April 28, 2022 11:01am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The vast majority of statistics presented over the last 2 years have been nonsensical narrative supports not based on any real science. We have been victims of the greatest medical fraud in the history of the planet. Now people need to start working out why and what the ultimate goal is.
  Democracy is under serious threat everywhere, including NZ. Ardern is a globalist shill. She needs not only thrown out, but a major investigation and charges brought against her and a number of others who drove the madness of the last 2 years.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:17am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  KK,
  Do you seriously believe that Doctors would deliberately withhold remdesivir or dexamethasone from a patient who needs either of them just to reduce covid hospitalisation numbers?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:20am
  - Matt Long
    
    People do strange things Wayne, look at how National morphed into Labour Lite last term and betrayed small business tarnishing their brand for who knows how long.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    We’re talking US hospital managers with shareholder return remits. So yes, I think it is quite possible.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:29am
  - NK
    
    What? Where have you been? Doctors have been deregistered for providing treatments for Covid. Experts have been censured and censored for suggesting treatments. The State has demanded everyone be vaccinated, and if you don’t prescribe with that, you can forget being a doctor. Only in November last year did Pharmac approve ronapreve as a medicine. Apart from that, doctors have not been allowed to treat the virus, here or anywhere else in the world. It’s simply been about the vaccine. Many doctors wanted to speak out but haven’t been able to. They certainly haven’t been permitted to prescribe any treatments.
    
    The *cough cough* vaccine isn’t a treatment.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:36am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Probably the only medical science based pushback in NZ has come from a large number of doctors & medical scientists on NZDSOS. I get their periodic emails, and their responses to the Plandemic would have been by far & away better than the Political Shamdemic we have been forced to live through.
      
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      April 28, 2022 11:56am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wayne Mapp – you’re completely missing the point. It is statistical fraud. Changing the methodology of assigning covid positive status during a “pandemic” is malfeasance.
    For the last 2 years everything has been done to ensure that the number of covid “cases” (another bullshit term) were as high as possible to support the nonsensical policies and mandates. Now that the story is falling apart and vaccines are being proven to increase your chance of catching covid, the numbers are being deliberately manipulated yet again.
    Not everyone who gets covid gets the same type of care. But if you’re covid positive then for the sake of statistical integrity you must use the same methods for counting those positive cases. Or as is the case with everything around covid, the numbers are completely meaningless.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Two years into the pandemic The NZ MofH announced that it had changed the way Covid deaths were being reported.
      
      Change in death reporting and reconciliation of deaths tally. Ministry of Health today announced a new way of reporting COVID-related deaths within 28 days of postive COVID test, in three categories: (a) COVID is clearly the cause of death, 34 deaths so far, (b) died with but not of COVID, 2 deaths so far, (c) cause of death still under investigation, 48 so far.
      
      https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/timeline-coronavirus
      
      From this information it looks like only one third of the previous reported covid deaths were actually a result of the covid infection alone.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Autopsies on those 34 deaths would be interesting.
        
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        April 28, 2022 9:35am
    - cjn
      
      This blog is the property of David Farrar who has faith in numbers. Once he published the results of a survey he had commissioned into the political leanings of the people at the Parliamentary protest. Someone pointed out that it was meaningless because the protest was organic , fluid with people coming and going from the lawn, staying the night with relatives and attending next day for an hour or two, so the politics of the protesters could not accurately be charted. The data published ad nauseum about the pandemic world-wide is all suspect.
      
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      April 28, 2022 2:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    Around the west they did expel a lot of very sick vulnerable folk out of hospitals , to free up bed space ,and into even more vulnerable settings such as old folks care homes thereby triggering a huge wave of deaths ………..
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:45am
  - mawm
    
    Wayne – Dr’s and hospitals in the US were given extra funding if they prescribed Remdesivir. There are fewer RCTs showing it’s efficacy than Ivermectin and plenty of anecdote of it killing patients. So, would you believe that Dr’s were being directed by their hospital managers that they had to prescribe Remdesivir just for the extra money?
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:50am
    - krazykiwi
      
      About Remdesivir (which I struggle to pronounce …)
      
      Despite some initial indication that Remdesivir might slightly reduce recovery time, the World Health Organization conducted a large-scale analysis that found it “had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay.” Unsurprisingly, the WHO recommended against using this drug to treat Covid-19 in November 2020 (and still does).
      
      At worst, however, Remdesivir is harmful. A subsequent analysis of the agency’s safety database found it likely caused kidney failure, and when independent trials (those not sponsored by a pharmaceutical company) are analyzed alone, there is a clear statistical trend to harm. WHO also warns that the drug may be associated with an increased reporting of liver problems.
      
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      April 28, 2022 6:07pm
  - bennerg
    
    Wayne,
    
    I’d suggest some naivety here on how power structures work – which I find surprising given your background.
    
    Medicine, like politics has a hierarchy that means that a few at the top control the overall narrative. In politics we elect MP’s to represent their electorate, but the moment they turn up at the House of Representatives, they change and are required to represent only their party – why else do they have party whips? The party is controlled internally by it’s own hierarchy, and that leads all the way up to the top with just a handful, who control the country. In the current case there are others who are pulling the strings, like Helen Clark who recently revealed her “interest” when Cindy was unable to respond.
    
    In the medical field the hierarchy is just as tight, with doctors now managed through funding and other imperatives – the PHO’s dole out their money, the DHBs are above them and the MoH at the top with a politically appointed person at the top.
    
    So we do not have doctors who can speak and prescribe freely – already some opposed to the government’s medical policies have been deregistered, or censured. Sufficient number to cause others to hold their tongues.
    
    The upshot is that we do not have a free society anymore. Be it medicine, education (look at Alwyn Poole & Chartered Schools), and now in the very structure of local government. All controlled, or becoming more controlled by elite structures being entrenched into our society.
    
    Yes we can all turn up at the polling stations, but what will our votes be really worth. We don’t have an effective opposition any more with National. Their might and funding will ensure they stay the predominant opposition, and even if they do get into power, they appear to be controlled by yet another “global” elite. It appears Luxon has already been on the “overseas training course”.
    
    Luxon’s weasel words when asked about rescinding the changes to our health and local government indicate no backbone – as Muldoon said about Bill Rowling, as “having a shiver running around his body looking for a spine to run up”.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:20am
- Sacha
  
  Those researchers have a natural scepticism about other peoples’ investigations.
  I suspect that there will be years and years of re-examination of data files and their sources to come.
  In 50 years people will look back and see what a total con this whole pandemic has been.
  In 50 years time most of us here today will be long gone – but there will be intelligent thinkers with the well-being of the human race in mind, and hopefully they will prevail.
  Or maybe, like weeds, we will anyway.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:11am
- Phronesis
  
  Dexamethasone is an old and very cheap drug that is used for a lot of things. Given that US hospitals have been charging a premium to Covid patients I expect this is an attempt to stop them coding every patient as having covid just for the money. A good chance there will be a few patients receiving Dex now just to pump up the billing.
  
  You’re right about the definitions being important and they are being consistently manipulated, but you’re wrong about what’s going on here.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:26pm
mikenmildagain

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Happy World Day for Safety and Health at Work!
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April 28, 2022 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Cindy, compelled by her feelings, covered for a work place rapist.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:09am
  - Ehlana
    
    Brings to mind an episode of The West Wing when one of the secretarial staff thought she had a good case that working conditions weren’t in accordance with federal law – only to be told that the lawmakers had exempted themselves from compliance.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:00am
    - Couchpotatoe
      
      Boris being the prime exhibit in that respect.
      
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      April 30, 2022 9:26am
Inandout

Covid stranglehold on us is waning. Next one up…Climate Change!
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April 28, 2022 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Coming in the Budget
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    4 billions worth, 4 billion of waste
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You are onto it, and this rotten Cindy knows she needs something to bang on about, but voters are over her high jinx
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:16am
  - kevn
    
    @G… cullen did tell her “you just have to do something”. Even it is rubbish.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She certainly has that down pat
      
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      April 28, 2022 11:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  I don’t believe the stranglehold is waning. The WHO’s looming assault on our national sovereignty is staggeringly brazen. Worse, I believe there are ZERO political leaders with the intestinal fortitude to fight back.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:00am
  - Ehlana
    
    The WHO may sit in wherever their (no doubt nearly gold-plated) offices are and make recommendations and resolutions until they are blue in the face.
    
    As Mr Putin has most recently demonstrated, global agreements mean nothing if a government does not choose to honour them.
    
    Regardless of what WHO says, governments will do what is necessary to keep themselves in power. Dictators with guns, and those subject to the ballot box with at least one eye and ear firmly fixed on the polling.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:03am
    - krazykiwi
      
      True, but which our our political leader wouldn’t faint if Putin said “Boo” loudly?
      
      By the same measure, which of them will stand up with the WHO’s annexation of national sovereignty?
      
      My guess is none, and that’s a very, very dangerous position for us to be in.
      
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      April 28, 2022 12:18pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    There is no fight back because we no longer have political leaders, we have functionaries whose job it is to stay on message and implement the structures in order to reach the common destination. This is what happens when global governance is centralised and cashed-up “stakeholders” and their NGOs are given more say than elected representatives. Why are people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates so heavily active in world decision making? The final vestiges of the sovereign nation are fast disappearing.
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:43am
    - krazykiwi
      
      We need a ‘Sovereign New Zealand’ political party. One that has a policy of having no policy on anything other than strengthening national, family, and personal sovereignty. I believe this would transcend the curated left vs right dichotomy, gathering interest from across the voting spectrum.
      
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      April 28, 2022 3:00pm
  - leoj
    
    Do you remember who famously (and wisely) withdrew from the Paris Accord?
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:59am
  - Couchpotatoe
    
    What we need are sheriffs, you get the rope I’ll bring the pitchforks.
    
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    April 30, 2022 9:28am
- Nickc2
  
  Exactly. Your point is proven with the number of advertisements on TV advocating for more Climate Change regulation/restrictions.
  Even the Insurance industry is advocating for changes in order that they can increase their policy charges. I received an e-mail from my Insurer a couple of days ago suggesting I do a reappraisal of my assets taking Climate Change outcomes into consideration.
  Now, to top it all off, out from under a rock comes James Shaw raving on about a need for a Climate Change reboot in NZ.
  What happens to all the money we provide to the UN to fight Climate Change? I call on the Greens to provide a breakdown of all NZ contributions to the UN for the last financial/calendar year under the Climate Change scam and how that money was spent. This information must be freely available for challenge.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:46am
- Sacha
  
  Yip, yip. That’s the way it will be. google: Bill Gates on climate change, pandemic and similar issues, or on YouTube: Bill Gates talks climate change action, covid misinformation.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

How’s your caucasity this morning?

“I find it ironic that Mr. Parker has the caucasity to call a bill discriminatory that otherwise gives equal representation to Tangata Whenua and Tangata Tiriti. He and his mates of the same ilk wouldn’t know discrimination if they fell over it. He has the absolute cheek” said Waititi.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2204/S00189/waititi-maori-party-to-defend-rotorua-electoral-bill.htm
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April 28, 2022 8:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Caucasity
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:08am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    So what you’re saying is that it’s an explicitly racist statement that says far more about the racist scumbag uttering it than their target? Thanks for clearing that up.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:51am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, I guessed that – Caucasian. Another coined word for the woke to adopt.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:04pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Don’t need a dictionary to define Waititi as a bigoted dickhead.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:07pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Thanks for the downtick, mm. It always confirms my judgement when you don’t like it.
      
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      April 28, 2022 12:30pm
- artemisia
  
  Behind tightly closed doors, and following a specially scheduled sweep for listening devices, Mr Coffey is being ‘helped’ to find a way to remove his tweaking democracy bill from the limelight.
  
  A decent hiatus while further legal advice is sought, followed by a very slow process to rework the Bill with additional (slow) consulting would work to delay until the 2022 local government elections are done and dusted.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He could use twink , Bwhahahahahaha
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:12am
- rouppe
  
  The Maori party make racist remarks almost every time they open their mouths, and they have convinced themselves that they aren’t racist. Because of their race.
  
  Yet they drape themselves with all the trappings that have come from colonialism
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:12am
  - wisteria
    
    Try watching the Maori Channel on TV.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:04am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    … and they have convinced themselves that they aren’t racist. Because of their race.
    
    No, no. You’re forgetting the post-modernist definition of racism; it must be racial bigotry PLUS power. It was all over the likes of Waikato university when you were there in the 1980’s, including that fabulous student union newspaper, Nexus.
    
    By definition oppressed people like Maori – including even the well-paid denizens of the Maori Party, Iwi trusts and the like – are powerless.
    
    That is why they have convinced themselves that they aren’t racist.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:18am
- RockyJ
  
  The counterpart in New Zealand is “Maoroddity” which is defined as the state of being Maori.
  Can also be defined as the state of being odd, for example with views that people want to lose their right to vote, or that we are responsible for the crimes of other people long dead.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:24am
  - rouppe
    
    Would “caucism” be better?
    
    Rolls off the tongue better…
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:31am
- slightlyrighty
  
  This needs to be widely spread.
  
  Parker releases a report based on a legal interpretation of rights. Waititi has the unmitigated gall to call Parker Racist?
  
  I’m certain Waititi doesn’t know what the definition of equality is, and wouldn’t know his own racist behaviour if he fell over it.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:31am
- yossarian
  
  Perhaps this is what Taika Waititi meant by when he said “New Zealand is f&$#@&n racist”
  
  He was actually referring to the likes of Rawiri, Willie, Debbie en tal
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:52am
- Swifty
  
  Does he think himself clever for using that word?
  
  It makes him sound like an idiot.
  
  A racist idiot.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:04am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Little David Waititi will forever push the narrative that maaari are victims of colonialism and that the only way to redress their trauma is to give them all the money and more than half the power.
  
  What a shithole New Zealand would be if that ever came to pass.
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:57am
  - Nickc2
    
    Didn’t you get the memo from Willie Jackson suggesting that it’s time democracy was redefined?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/willie-jackson-says-democracy-has-changed-co-governance-is-good-act-leader-is-a-hypocrite/VZZAIF66LH76WWEXUXUXAZQ3XA/
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:15am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      No I didn’t – I always unsubscribe from junk mail and ignore scammer and spammers!
      
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      April 28, 2022 6:40pm
  - leoj
    
    The country is heading that way even without co-governance or the shitty He Poo Poo agenda.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:03pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Just imagine how much maorisity Waititi would have if Parliament put a bill forward making every Maori in NZ’s vote worth less than one vote. I’m sure he wouldn’t now discrimination if he fell over it.
  
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  April 28, 2022 1:23pm
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-pastor-woke-companies-stop-blm-support
Murders of black Americans soar after BLM and defund the police, Woke Corporations silent.
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April 28, 2022 8:06am
- Matt Long
  
  https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/california-raise-gas-tax
  Meanwhile in California, the US state whose socialist policies are closest to NZ, the cost of living is soaring, friends there say the price of food in San Fran has doubled in a year, crime is rampant, 80 year old man now carrys a Glock everywhere for protection.
  A brave new socialist world.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Newsome is a commie, what do they expect?
    Also, they are not shitting in the streets in NZ yet – or are they?
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:22am
    - mawm
      
      He’s a WEF commie. Stablemate to our dear leader.
      
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      April 28, 2022 8:53am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Take care with your steps in the freedom camping areas Steve.
      
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      April 28, 2022 10:59am
  - virtualmark
    
    Yep, the socialists have a problem with crime …
    
    https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      Interesting article, there looks to be a cluster of high crime/murder states in the former Louisiana purchase areas.
      The rise in murders in 2020 looks to be universal, and may be a product of BLM and Floyd George plus lockdowns.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:35am
      - virtualmark
        
        The Confederate states never went away Matt. They’re (still) a different world from the rest of the USA.
        
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        April 28, 2022 11:40am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        “I’ve been in many demonstrations all across the South, but I can say that I have never seen, even in Mississippi and Alabama, mobs as hostile and as hate-filled as I’m seeing in Chicago.”
        
        That’s Martin Luther King after getting hit in the head by a rock during a civil rights demonstration in Marquette Park in 1966.
        
        Plenty of KKK rallies in the city too.
        
        Amazingly this didn’t stop the Democrat party controlling the city from the 1950’s to the present day.
        
        Of course Blacks are now fleeing Democrat cities like Chicago for the Southern states, but for different reasons, all to do entirely with Democrat Party ideas and policies as to how to run cities, and states.
        
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        April 28, 2022 1:18pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Interesting virtual, but in Tennessee, the biggest spike is in Nashville, which has a Democrat Mayor. Houston, Texas, Democrat Mayor, murders up sharply as well. From what I read, the GOP are pointing out the issues with defunding the police and having AG’s that basically let bad bastards out.
      
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      April 28, 2022 1:32pm
  - GJM
    
    One difference. At least that 80 year is is allowed to defend themselves and carry that Glock. Self defence is defacto illegal in NZ, as it is a right you are not allowed to use. Expect crime to rocket even higher here, as there are no consequences.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:37am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    At a fundamental level, it’s not the “socialism” in “Democrat-run” jurisdictions that turns them into hell holes, its the change in demographics. Rapidly changing demographics and associated pandering to what are (for now) minorities is destroying America, not socialism. Places like LA, Baltimore and Detroit are not the victims of socialism.
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:52am
- kowtow
  
  And just who’s doing the murdering .
  Same with those attacks on Asian Americans.
  
  The Media will plaster a US copper’s face all over the place when it suits their agenda , but not the “perp” .
  
  Talking of which D Ngarewa Packer has a shockingly incendiary and racist article on the recent Taranaki shooting in today’s Ferald .
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    The murderer is “The Patriarchy,” Colonialism, poverty and society, it couldn’t possibly be a bad individual doing bad things.
    By letting dangerous criminals out of prison and not following up on reported crimes a progressive society redress the crimes of their white supremacist ancestors.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:45am
Simon

Cindy wedding had to be called off due to all the overseas guests breezing through MIQ. Would cause huge problems for her once this got out. Cindy didn’t think of this when sending out the invites together with instructions around MIQ. Or the corruption was so commonplace it didn’t occur to Cindy?

Everyone knows how the politically connected got through MIQ.

MBIE runs MIQ , direct political influence on a government department for personal benefit.

Where is the investigation how specifically Cindy’s mates got through MIQ? How many other politically connected people got through MIQ.? How did the corruption occur and how widespread? Who is responsible?

Political corruption of a government department for personal benefit at the expense of ordinary New Zealanders. Worse than Boris Johnsons’ work dos.
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April 28, 2022 8:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  ‘Everyone knows’
  Really? How? Wouldn’t the investigation you desire be required before ‘everyone knows’?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Sadly the court case did not look at her corruption, but something should be fine, this rotten woman has no morals, maybe we now know why she is in hiding again, Lorde told us she got in through Devine intervention
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:21am
- Toes on the nose
  
  What’s the bet her Fanboi Steve Colbert turns up?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:31am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Friend of a friend recently passed in a Rest Home. Only aged 51. He had level 4 (the highest) Prostate Cancer which had migrated throughout his body. Wheelchared, lifting from for in and out of bed, incontinent. What finished him off was catching Covid, so his cause of death is listed as Covid.
That is fucking repugnant.
RIP friend.
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April 28, 2022 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Couple of typos in there, never mind.
  Rant over.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:25am
- BarryB
  
  ‘passed’ – A car passed me on the motorway
  Someone passed me in the street.
  I passed a motion today.
  
  Reports from the Ukraine tell of how many were killed and how many died from wounds.
  
  Whats gone wrong with the language. Your friend DIED. I feel sorry for him, but unless he ‘passed’ into Hell or Heven (and how would anyone know…), he died.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:29am
  - Inandout
    
    BB, yes I have noted this American term ‘passed’ is becoming very common, even referring to animal pets. Recently Bruce Russell’s untimely death invited a deluge of comments about ‘his passing’. To be fair though with regard to war deaths, humans are invariably killed.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:40am
    - thirteenstars
      
      American term? Passed is a contraction of passed away, a term used in NZ forever.
      
      These things are called euphemisms, and if an individual feels the need to use one, so what?
      
      But perhaps Bad Company got it wrong all those years ago with “Feel Like Makin’ Love”. Maybe titling the song, “Feel Like Havin’ A Fuck” would have more directly captured the romance of it all…
      
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      April 28, 2022 10:31am
    - kowtow
      
      The undertaker industry love the Americanism “casket” . The media push a series “casketeers”
      
      yet the English is coffin.
      
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      April 28, 2022 11:01am
      - Mike
        
        US in origin from 150 years ago. Why do you hate America?
        
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        April 28, 2022 5:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    “Inked” is another one .
    Today’s Ferald has it in their editorial . Means signed .
    Ridiculous.
    
    “Shuttered” is another American journalism term they love , instead of closed .
    
    For people who so publicly make a virtue of detesting all things American it’s very strange .
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Passed away.
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pass-away
    Now go away, you are worse than the other pathetic pedantic on here.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:08am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m with you, Steve, ‘passed away’ is a euphemism of very long standing. My Shorter Oxford dates this meaning of ‘pass’ as far back as the seventeenth century.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I had the history of ‘passed’ back to 1400. I also do not see anything American about it.
        
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        April 28, 2022 1:29pm
  - Lee C
    
    I’d qualify that as one of the most insensitive examples of needless pedantry I’ve ever witnessed.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:12am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    geez barryB you completely missed the message. instead nit-picking as wording cause you got offended at the use of the word “passing”. highly sensitive much?
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:43am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    The term is not an Americanism. “Passing away” (i.e. moving from one definite state to another) has been in use at least as far back as Aristotle in his Metaphysics (along with its relative term “coming to be”), so if it was good enough for Aristotle it’s good enough for me.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
      
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      April 28, 2022 1:36pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not sure that Aristotle wrote in English; therefore you’re working with a translation. Kinda obviates your point.
      
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      April 28, 2022 7:09pm
- cmm
  
  Pretty much the same deal with my mother.
  After being ~150kg most of her life she died weighing ~60kg – riddled with cancer and a heart condition.
  
  Right at the end she caught CV19. At the max CV19 shortened her life by 1 to 2 months, but pneumonia would likely have done the job anyway.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:23am
Benedict Yu

“Baker said he is shocked at the low uptake of vaccination in children and is encouraging parents to get their children vaccinated.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/04/coronavirus-epidemiologist-michael-baker-says-vaccination-best-defence-against-new-covid-19-variant-xe.html

So funny. 🤡

Only 22 percent of children are fully vaccinated. I can help this guy with his shock. The vaccine does not work very well, to put it mildly, and the risks of COVID to children are very small.

Put another way, if the measles vaccine worked like the COVID vaccine, where would be an outrage.

I recall 2 years ago commenting here that a vaccine for a coronavirus had never been successfully developed.

Then the trials reported that the vaccines were 95 percent effective. Like many others, I thought that was fantastic. Then the scam was exposed. Governments around the world have spent a couple of hundred billion on vaccines that are literally useless at preventing infection. That is insane.

Yet this guy Baker acts like he is brainwashed. 15 percent of parents could be misguided. But not 80 percent.

So sorry Mr Expert, you can be shocked on your own.
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April 28, 2022 8:09am
- Ra Henare
  
  The other thing that continues to amuse me is the continuing Government spread of MISINFORMATION.
  
  I refer to TV adverts and radio adverts that urge people to get the vax to protect Granny.!!
  
  Next time I am visiting somewhere with the TV on I should note the time & channel and lodge a complain to? Broadcasting Review Authority?
  Hipkins? (yep that would be a waste of time)
  Who would you recommend?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Blofeld, he is the top dog
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:35am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I find the injunction to get vacinated to protect Granny rather amusing as both my Grannies died in the ’70s.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:35am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Govt are throwing vast sums of pointless advertising dollars at media to keep them on team Cindy – criticism will result in reduced advertising spend. It’s corrupt, but no means of stopping it.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:28am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I mute the TV or radio when the patronising, pidgin English/manglish propaganda BS comes on. I don’t understand half the words and have no wish to.
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:12am
    - leoj
      
      …or give up TV altogether.
      
      Why pay to watch ads and propaganda?
      
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      April 28, 2022 12:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Well during the ads and propaganda you sometimes get a bit of the program you should be watching
        
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        April 28, 2022 1:37pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ten are Coy bro
      
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      April 28, 2022 1:33pm
    - Couchpotatoe
      
      Pidgin seems to be contagious
      
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      April 30, 2022 9:34am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    i refer to these ads as the govt propaganda of pimping-the-vulnerable. My question to Labour would be – while they are advising us all to protect the “vulnerable”, what percentage of the NZ population is considered in this vulnerable category that we all have to restrict our lives? do the numbers justify the restrictions? is it .01% of the population?? what are these numbers? anyone know? fair question.. not being sarcastic.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      5 questions is too much. We can only give one question diversion at a time …..
      
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      April 28, 2022 1:47pm
- Cinematic
  
  Baker’s got one line. It involves vaccination and he will repeat if blindly and frequently regardless of the evidence. A true scientist //
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    `Bakers got one line’.
    
    Directly to a TV camera or any microphone.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Baker is top of the list of those who need investigated and criminally charged for medical malfeasance and fraud. He has been wrong about absolutely everything regarding covid from the very beginning. Most of the others seem to have learned to keep their mouth shut as the real world evidence has revealed them all as nothing more than narrative enablers.
  All of them should be suffering serious consequences for their part in this disastrous clown circus.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:24am
  - kowtow
    
    Actually it all goes back to that lab in Wuhan .
    Who was funding it , why . What were they researching , how and why.
    
    And why did so many of the western scientists involved there try so hard to debunk the lab escape theory .
    
    Why haven’t the Media made anything of those covers ups.
    
    Instead they attacked the people drawing attention to it.
    
    Given how our Media Pardy are so all things Little New Zealand , why isn’t “Gilles Demaneuf” a household name while the likes of Baker and Wiles are .
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good questions for Fauci. ‘Gain of function’ Why would you do such a thing and why finance China to do it?
      
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      April 28, 2022 1:50pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I agree. He has never even acknowledged that the vaccine efficacy has been – lets put it politely – “profoundly disappointing”. He acts like the Pfizer press releases from 18 months ago are credible.
    
    For 18 months, I devoted one hour each day to reviewing data in the UK and Israel on COVID and the vaccines. So I think I have an informed opinion. (I have stopped – totally over it.).
    
    BTW I now think that the vaccines for children UNDER 5 years old may never be approved – it has been delayed and delayed in the USA. And what would be the point? If 80 percent of parents in New Zealand are not going to fully vaccinate their 5 year olds, they are certainly not going to vaccinate their babies.
    
    And it is worth repeating – many parents, especially Maori parents – have stopped listening when they hear “vaccine”. And that will have deadly consequences because many of them have now given up on childhood vaccinations – you know – the ones that work. 🙁
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:44am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY – The changing of the definition of the word “vaccine” will have profound effects on health outcomes around the world. Real vaccines were trusted by the vast majority. The actions of the last 2 years will have destroyed that trust in the minds of many people.
      
      I know I have lost most of my confidence in the health authorities to the point I have no intention of going near the local medical centre unless it is a serious trauma injury that I can’t deal with at home. The local team still won’t acknowledge the errors they made. I don’t mind the fact they might have made mistakes, we all do, but the inability to put their hand up is disappointing.
      Then there was their refusal to take out my wife’s stitches (on the side of her nose) because she said she was exempt from wearing a mask. That was disturbing.
      
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      April 28, 2022 8:58am
    - alloytoo
      
      I fear you are correct we will be dealing with the perception damage done to really safe and effective childhood vaccines for decades to come.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:05am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Benedict, your final paragraph is very important. It is a huge worry.
      
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      April 28, 2022 10:03am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Baker and Wiles for a gong on Queens birthday. Am I wrong??
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:01am
    - cmm
      
      Can you get them posthumously? If so Cat Pause it in with a chance too.
      
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      April 28, 2022 10:52am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      i hope you are wrong.
      
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      April 28, 2022 12:07pm
  - mawm
    
    Clan – Baker and most of his colleagues advising governments around the world are being paid to sprout this dogma.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Baker is full of his own importance, so is Blofeld, and most of the MOH.
  Socialism getting worse.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:33am
- Opie
  
  Hey Baker
  
  What’s in this for you? Why do you continue to push a treatment that doesn’t work with unknown longterm effects?
  
  And what are you trying to protect us from?
  
  Covid just ripped through my 2 kids. It was an absolute joke – one had no symptoms whatsoever and the other looked like they were going to get a cold for half a day, then cleared up. Both tested positive.
  
  Stay away from my kids you monster.
  
  I would support a full criminal investigation into people like him
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:07am
- Taieri
  
  Yet this guy acts like he is brainwashed.
  ———–
  
  You are assuming the presence of a functional brain. Why?
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Savage!
    
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    April 28, 2022 1:53pm
- Ehlana
  
  I think the problem is, they called them vaccines. So people thought they would work like vaccines. Got my shots, so I won’t get the disease.
  
  If they had simply called them what they are, a medicine that will reduce your chances of getting severe Covid, there would have been less disillusionment.
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:40am
  - Lee C
    
    “If they had simply called them what they are, a medicine that will reduce your chances of getting severe Covid, there would have been less disillusionment.”
    
    …But then everyone would have realised it was all a big con.
    
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    April 28, 2022 1:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Experimental ‘medicine’
    
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    April 28, 2022 1:54pm
Tricati

New Zealanders have shown their disgust at Russia invading Ukraine, and rightly so. Gerry Brownlee proposed a piece of legislation to deal with issues such as this but it was voted down by Labour saying ‘it wasn’t fit for purpose’ and that they (Labour) were going to introduce a ‘Bespoke’ piece of legislation to deal with the Russian invasion.
I haven’t seen the ‘Bespoke’ legislation, but could have missed it under the cloud of Covid, or was this another case of all talk and no do.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/466027/nearly-10-000-new-zealanders-sign-petition-comdeming-russia-s-war-on-ukraine
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April 28, 2022 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  Tri, imagine for a moment if our energy supplies depended say 40% on Russia, would we be so hasty to sign petitions? What amazes me is how Europe were arranging Russian supply deals in ever increasing numbers right up to the invasion. Then we read ‘Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline.’ Expediency overides morals in the real world of fuel supplies.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:52am
- Ra Henare
  
  Its seems to me another media replay of the Biden good, Trump bad of the last pre election.
  Replace Biden with Ukraine & Trump with Russia.
  
  There seems to be very little investigation in to either sides claims.
  
  The President of Ukraine seems to be another Baker personality. Loves the limelight even when he talks rubbish.
  
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  April 28, 2022 1:11pm
  - cjn
    
    I have read that the US media have made Zelenski/Elenski a cross between Mother Teresa and a rock star. Maybe he is unwilling to give that up. The Pentagon asked on SAM.gov for new weapons from the arms industry: “describe the weapon, product or system you believe could help Ukraine. Give a timeline of how fast the weapons could be delivered and what capabilities the arms best support.” At another meeting of the big 8 manufacturers on April 4 it was suggested the war could last years. The US military expects to make $20 trillion in arms sales in the next ten years. Meantime in the State of Delaware people are mainlining in the streets of Willington. But not to worry the US military is to go “green” Biden announced.
    
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    April 28, 2022 4:27pm
Yvette

“Co-governance”
Rawiri Waititi swipes at Attorney-General David Parker for deeming proposed Rotorua Māori ward restructure discriminatory
… The debate stems from the controversial He Puapua report, a think-piece document commissioned by the Government in 2019 that sets out a roadmap to co-governance between the Crown and Māori by 2040. The report was commissioned as a response to New Zealand signing up to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People by Sir John Key’s National Government in 2010.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/rawiri-waititi-swipes-at-attorney-general-david-parker-for-deeming-proposed-rotorua-m-ori-ward-restructure-discriminatory.html

Again Newshub lies by omission, by writing “New Zealand signing up to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People by Sir John Key” but omitting that New Zealand was one of the last nations to do so, and then defined our commitment to being within the bounds of the Treaty of Waitangi.

I challenge Newshub, RNZ (who apparently originated the article), Māori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi or anyone else to present documented evidence that says otherwise
The Maori ward restructure is outside the Treaty of Waitangi, Article 3.
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April 28, 2022 8:11am
- Jack5
  
  The Ardern-subsidised newspapers have backed the blow to NZ democracy of the Rotorua race-based ward restructure. Backed it at worst wilfully, and “at less worst,” tacitly.
  
  The NZ Herald-owned Rotorua Daily Post, with a flattering picture of Wily Willie Jackson, reports: “Government ministers say a law to introduce Maori seats to the Rotorua District Council can be salvaged after a report found it could breach the Bill of Rights Act”.
  
  Do any Kiwiblog followers read the print copy of the Rotorua Daily Post? Has the newspaper made an editorial stand against the undemocratic ward-voting move in its city?
  
  From its web site, much of the Rotorua Daily Post seems in line with reporting in the NZ Herald.
  
  Both are owned by NZME, as is Newstalk ZB radio.
  
  With the Left-bias of the NZ media, it’s worth keeping an eye on initiative in America led by former US McDonalds president and CEO, Edward Rensi. Could NZ anti-Woke activists do something similar with NZME?
  
  Rensi leads the Boardroom Initiative, which this week forced shareholder votes at Bank of America and Citigroup on the companies’ diversity training and minority hiring quotas.
  
  Both moves were defeated. The Washington Times says: “An undisclosed majority of shareholders at both companies followed corporate instructions in their proxy statements to vote against the proposals.”
  
  However, the anti-Woke campaign has just begun.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jack5, that would be ‘net taxpayer’ subsidised newspapers. Ardern is distributer in Chief, along with Robertson
    
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    April 28, 2022 2:02pm
  - curry4me
    
    The anti-woke campaign will fight other battles, and victories will come. It’s early days yet.
    
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    April 28, 2022 2:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Caucasity/ Caucacity (noun)

(slang, especially African-American English) The state of being racially white; {Wiktionary}

behaving in a manner that disregards or refuses to acknowledge one’s white privilege. {Macmillan Dictionary}

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/caucacity/
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April 28, 2022 8:11am
- rouppe
  
  Does that mean we can start saying things like “Maori sidestep” again?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:18am
  - pdm
    
    Maori PT or Maori time – rouppe.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:09am
    - oldfella
      
      pdm: how about ‘Maori Science’? Billy T’s jokes about that would have been priceless.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:32am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And a maori bath, and an MDO?
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:19am
- Cinematic
  
  When is this disgraceful racism going to be called out somewhere other than Kiwiblog?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Prob after a change in Govt. Will never happen with the current muppets
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:45am
    - leoj
      
      You think the Nats have the balls to change things?
      
      With te reo Luxon in charge?
      
      Gimme a break!
      
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      April 28, 2022 12:13pm
  - curry4me
    
    Now that Twitter has become a non woke town square again, establishment racism can be called out there.
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:34am
- emmess
  
  Yeah, somehow I doubt that word has very high amount of usage in say South Central LA, Harlem or Detroit, as compared to say Harvard, Yale or Berkeley
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:23am
  - Cassandra
    
    Or quoting a Maori MP. Doubt “Caucasity” will get much use in NZ. Or anywhere.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:54am
- kowtow
  
  Caucasity . Hate speech . I know it when I see it.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:36am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Would “Negroidity” be an acceptable term to encompass poor punctuality, high levels of welfare dependency and militant ethnic narcissism among US Blacks, for instance? I somehow doubt it.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:22pm
cas

Every so often you come across something in your reading that needs to be shared. I was reading The Best of A A Gill last night and offer to KB readers the following from a piece on India.

“Indian food tends to be gassy – slow-cooked vegetables and pulses – so you see lines of Dutch tourists who at every step sound like an RAF motorbike display. They wear expressions of pained concentration : farting in India is playing Raj roulette with the linen”.

By the way A A Gill is very good for those who haven’t read him. One of his other articles in this book from 2016 ends up “the best programme on TV last week ( Cathy Come Home) was made in 1966. In black and white. Not everything gets better.”
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April 28, 2022 8:14am
Tricati

Listened to an interesting discussion on Heather du Plessis Allan’s show last night where she interviewed Professor Robert MacCulloch on the Reserve Bank and Robertson’s failure to control inflation to under the 3% threshold. A very good explanation of the ineptitude of both Orr and Robertson, and why Orr is back-tracking. Lets see how much media coverage this gets as it completely refutes Robertson’s claims NZ is in the same boat as overseas country’s.
https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/
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April 28, 2022 8:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Orr was dictated to by Robertson, and the home grown part of inflation is 6.0%
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:49am
  - Paulus
    
    Only 6% so far – but wait !
    
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    April 28, 2022 1:24pm
- Cinematic
  
  Giddy on power and the magic of quantitative easing Robertson and Orr now have NZ dangling over an economic precipice.
  
  At the same time I can’t think of a single economic or social benefit this mob has delivered (can’t count finishing National’s capital projects sorry). Criminally useless.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:50am
- mawm
  
  That’s a very good site. Thank you.
  
  From the linked piece – “To the extent folks get into trouble paying back their mortgages the next few years, the blame lies squarely with our RBNZ Governor and Finance Minister. Together they encouraged a borrowing binge to buy houses at wildly inflated prices, financed by dirt cheap credit, both of them turning a blind eye to the breach of the target to which they mutually agreed, neither of them learning the lessons of the Global Financial Crisis in 2008.”
  
  Quite honestly I doubt if Robertson knew that there were any lessons to be learned.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:03am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

Did Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson really say this about Elon Musk buying Twitter?

https://twitter.com/MaryAnneGrace9/status/1519229608646053888

The ‘replies’ are absolute gold!! 😀 😀 😀
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April 28, 2022 8:19am
- graham
  
  Wouldn’t surprise me. Marama Davidson does seem to be representative of the current Green Party, which currently seems to be pretty disinterested in saving the environment and far more interested in identity politics.
  
  She’s also got form for saying some pretty stupid stuff. Remember her (thankfully short-lived) campaign in 2018 to “reclaim” the ‘C-word’?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I often wonder if my partner is a closet Green supporter 🙁
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:06am
- Rich Prick
  
  So predictable. Every issue attracts worry about the left’s Holy Trinity: white supremacy, transphobia and racism. It’s getting pretty tedious.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:12am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Elon Musk is the most successful African American in history. You’d think they’d be celebrating a minority doing so well.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:23pm
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, you might get a chuckle from this collection of Elon Musk/Twitter humour. 😉
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/04/mid-week-in-pictures-muskageddon-edition.php
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    
    My fave twitter exchange….
    
    ELON: I love Twitter
    
    DAVE: Why don’t you buy it then? (SARC)
    
    ELON: How much is it?
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    April 28, 2022 2:06pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, keep away from the beach for at least the net 72 hours. Incoming tidal waves of liberal tears are imminent.
    
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    April 28, 2022 2:10pm
- curry4me
  
  I replied to a couple. With Elon Musk buying it; Twit-ter is now Twitter. It’s the new global town square. Not a woke echo chamber.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:10am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  MaryAnneGrace? Is Marama’s real name Mary Anne? If so, she’s kept that quiet.
  
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  April 28, 2022 7:41pm
Southern Raider

Based on media and social media comments across the left about about ram raids I’ve been able to deduce
– it’s not the Govt fault
– it’s not the Police fault
– it’s not the parents fault
– we don’t need to treat the raiders as criminals as we need to focus on the underlying drivers of crime

And the main people at fault are the business owners who have failed to invest in their own security
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April 28, 2022 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Yip , that’s why it pisses me orf when people say the businesses must spend even more money on security .
  
  And in any event those costs simply get passed on to the consumer , so yet another fail from the lefties who as always don’t understand the basics of how an economy operates , other than “tax the rich” or “seize their assets” or “regulate them to oblivion”.
  
  Afterall the rich and business owners are ‘us’ too , innit?
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:41am
Tony Stuart

Yesterday’s High Court decision is further justification for the establishment of a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Government’s response to Covid-19 and its variants. The RCoI should conduct a comprehensive, independent investigation into every government decision on Covid, starting in January 2020 and include decisions taken by government departments and agencies such as the Ministry of Health and MBIE.

If Labour will not do this, National must make the establishment of a RCoI a priority for their first 100 days if elected next year. Covid has been the single most expensive episode in New Zealand’s history, putting the country billions of dollars into debt and only the scrutiny provided by a Royal Commission will suffice.

According to the Dept of Internal Affairs, a Royal Commission of Inquiry is “reserved for the most serious matters of public importance”. Is anyone prepared to argue that our two-year-plus, multi-billion-dollar Covid response does not meet that criteria?
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April 28, 2022 8:28am
- Ipanema69
  
  Great post. A royal commission of enquiry will occur eventually, the event as you say is too significant.
  
  However the downside for labour is that Jacinda will be called as a witness and will face cross examination from every party that has standing as well as direct scrutiny from the commission.
  
  I cant see any of that going well. The list of questions that need to be asked is endless. And these will all be answered under oath.
  
  There is no way this will occur prior to the election.
  
  However the piper will eventually need to be paid and it will not end well for the princess.
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:11am
- Tricati
  
  TS, unfortunately won’t happen under a Labour lead government but given the cost, and on-going cost, to NZ; then an inquiry into the handling of covid is an absolute must.
  National need to come out now and say they will instigate a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the total covid response, and spell out examples of the areas of possible review, as it is widely known where the cock-ups/waste have been.
  Examination of the covid response is just one of Labour’s Achilles heals, but one that ties a key driver of current & on-going inflation too.
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:19am
- mawm
  
  In the terms of reference should be –
  – to what extent Mr W Gates, the WEF and the WHO influenced our response, with all communications between our PM/government and the above bodies being released.
  – who made the decision to abandon our existing “pandemic plan” and adopt the antithetical, untested disaster we followed?
  – and to publish the Pfizer contract.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:18am
ClanMcleod

Matthew Hooton pointing out Ardern’s latest illegal action is a resignation worthy offence.

“Jacinda Ardern has been found by the courts to have abused her powers by illegally preventing New Zealand citizens from leaving & returning home.

It really is a resignation offence.”

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/1519166576045727746

As he points out, expect the appeal to come soon.
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April 28, 2022 8:31am
Truman lodge

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/debbie-ngarewa-packer-big-questions-remain-over-police-shooting-of-kaoss-price/RQLHE6HDW436H7YS2W7NYLRKGM/

This is absolutely outrageous..
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April 28, 2022 8:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, Ms Packer needs to direct her questions to the Minister of Police – Poto Williams .
  
  The general public doesn’t hold the answers to her questions.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m not so sure about that Maggs.
    From what I’ve heard my partner saying, he could put Ms Packer out of her misery.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:01am
  - curry4me
    
    NZ has a minister of police? Who knew. I thought she held that job in Aotearower. Is she moonlighting?
    
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    April 28, 2022 11:36am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “We need to be seriously asking ourselves if the police in Taranaki have issues with the way they treat Māori men”
  
  Let me complete that sentence for you, Debbie.
  
  “We need to be seriously asking ourselves if the police in Taranaki have issues with the way they treat Māori men who have twice rammed their car and attempted to kill or seriously injure them, and who then try and carjack several vehicles from innocent motorists, whose father is setting a great example by being in jail, who have been described as a “one-man crime wave” by a Judge and who have made some seriously bad life choices.”
  
  You’re welcome Debbie.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

On 10 March 2022, our Covid deaths were reported as 91
(34 definitely from Covid)

https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/timeline-coronavirus

Yesterday we had a total of 710 deaths reported
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/465981/covid-19-update-9830-new-community-cases-today-along-with-a-further-23-deaths

That’s over 600 covid deaths in 48 days!!!!

It doesn’t strike me that Our Dear Leader and her lockdowns and mandatory vaxxes have saved those folks from anything much.
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April 28, 2022 8:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggy as you know, the numbers are completely meaningless and only used to tell whichever fairy story Ardern’s team of “single source of truth” creators are putting forward for our edification this week. Another “2 weeks of sustained propaganda” coming your way!!
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:46am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy, fantasy has turned to fact …
  “One of our critical advisers through this, who’s from the science community, mentioned to me the other day that on their calculation, give or take possibly 5000 people have been saved by what we had done.
  So in those moments I think of that. Now those 5000 people, they don’t know who they are. They don’t know that it was them that has been potentially protected by these measures. But I just keep that in my mind. It’s been hard, but the flipside would have been even more painful.” – Jacinda Ardern
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/covid-19-response-ardern-what-govt-got-right-and-wrong
  
  “710 deaths reported” – Jacinda has 4,290 to go
  But seriously, Maggi, it is interesting to know it is 710, given that information is now fudged by their reporting “15 deaths in the past 9 days”, “12 in the past 3 days”, “8 in 4 days”, but not a figure for the past 24 hours.
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, a couple of years ago, we got daily reports of folks dropping dead from covid in other countries, whilst we were holding the bug at bay.
    
    Now it is damn difficult to find out exactly what is going on…
    
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    April 28, 2022 2:27pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… How many have died of the jab? You know, the clot-shot etc etc. Unexpected deaths of fit people with no medical issues…
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Those numbers will be suppressed with the same energy and effort as the numbers of covid cases were inflated.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    For NZ – 3
    
    Summary of reported deaths
    Up to and including 31 March 2022, a total of 158 deaths were reported to CARM after the administration of the Comirnaty vaccine. Following medical assessments by CARM and Medsafe it has been determined that:
    
    94 of these deaths are unlikely related to the COVID-19 vaccine
    50 deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information
    11 cases are still under investigation.
    3 deaths were likely due to vaccine induced myocarditis (awaiting Coroner’s determination)
    
    https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-42.asp
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:32am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s a snow job if ever I saw one. Complete cover up.
      
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      April 28, 2022 9:37am
    - mawm
      
      So CARM and Medsafe just sit around a table and after a discussion decide the cause of death? Unless there has been a post mortem examination with histology samples of the tissues from all the organs those determinations are not worth the paper they were written on.
      
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      April 28, 2022 11:26am
    - GJM
      
      If we apply the same criteria as covid deaths. Any death within 28 days of the jab for any reason is a jab death.
      Of course that doens’t make sense, but…
      Apples and apples comparisons are imposssible since the definitions are changing and true figures are covered up.
      
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      April 28, 2022 1:24pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    about 2000 more kiwis died in 2021 than 2020, a 6-7% increase in annual total. Only significant difference being vaccine program.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:32am
- nathie
  
  “That’s over 600 covid deaths in 48 days!!!!”
  
  Oh oh … that’s bad news for the PM’s Comms teams …
  
  Because people that are “scared” (of covid) will no longer being saying “But Labour Saved Us!”
  
  (Seriously though, how can Labour be so two-faced when their senior MP’s (and even the PM) used to go on and on how their covid policies were saving people’s lives (so vote for us, not nasty National!) …. now they are silent and have stopped using that term as the death toll rises)?
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:12am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Ignoring govt covid death attribution claims, actual published death data shows excess deaths in NZ amount to 370 in first 35 days of Omicron wave (omicron hit start of Feb), about 10 per day, and it was tapering off strongly as of 3 weeks ago (latest data published). So 600 from covid in 48 days is provably bollocks.
    
    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2022-01-30..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28count%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~NZL
    
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    April 28, 2022 3:35pm
I remember when

Revenue Minister reiterates need for data on high-income earners’ tax: RNZ:
Revenue Minister David Parker plans to introduce the ‘Tax Principles Act’ making regular reporting a legislative requirement.
Councils, propert owners must share costs of climate, Shaw warns: RNZ:
James Shaw warns lack of action most expensive option.
Is NZ’s economic growth uneconomic?: Newsroom:

Looks like the Labour/Greens are going to reduce taxes.
And, there is obviously going to be a need for less public servants and a reduction in the need to fill in complicated and unnecessary governmental forms.
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April 28, 2022 8:55am
Maggie Pie

AUCKLAND RAMRAIDS IN THE HEADLINES

We made a point of watching the live Police Conference yesterday afternoon. It was fronted by Detective Inspector Karen Bright from Counties Manukau.

Karen took the podium wearing a rather fetching black-silk-blouse festooned with flowers, over which she had donned her Stab-Proof Vest, set off by a Mini-Maglite on the right shoulder.

To be honest, the poor thing looked more nervous than Anne Frank practicing the tuba. Why ‘CUDDLES’ himself, dressed in all his medals & braid couldn’t have fronted such an important-Presser is beyond us!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300574479/police-working-with-social-media-giants-after-spate-of-ramraids-in-auckland

You can bet the gangs must be pooing their pants 🙁
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April 28, 2022 9:02am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, heard the police minister (s0meone called Potty) on TV last night talking about how the govt has crime under control because they’ve added 1,800 new cops.
  They keep pedalling that number as though it’s on top of those we already have, not simply replacing cops who have left for whatever reason.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:48am
  - Paulus
    
    But they haven’t said that more police resigned than joined in that time.
    
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    April 28, 2022 1:28pm
- Frank the tank
  
  That is the thing Mags, When I was their age (25 years ago) all cops were over 6 foot and would literally beat the shit out of you if committed a crime. Police back then were respected but feared.
  
  When they came into the Loaded Hog and you were underage it was you that pooed your pants. Nowadays 2 in 3 police I see are the fairer sex and 60kgs dripping wet. Whereas the Criminals are getting bigger (and fatter) year-on-year.
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:15am
- Tricati
  
  I feel the gangs have worked it out – Use 12 & 13 year olds to commit the crimes, then bank the money. Our soft juvenile justice system won’t touch the kids, so they will be free to repeat the offending.
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:24am
Lee C

There is a government sponsored purge coming against people who do not want to wear masks in public.

Thoughts?
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April 28, 2022 9:14am
- ClanMcleod
  
  This is the point at which people need to grow a spine and just say no. Masks do nothing to prevent infection or transmission of covid. Nothing. I will never wear one. Ever. Don’t enter a business that demands one. Don’t support any organisation that insists on you wearing one.
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  More detail please.
  
  if it is government officials who cares. If it is the public at-large then this will go down like a lead balloon.
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:16am
- mawm
  
  It’s going to be much more than the masks. I’m sure the vindictive little b**** will go after the finances of those who have refused to get a WEF digital ID by subterfuge.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:30am
- Harry Knuts
  
  horse has bolted as the gate is open and has been for 2 years now – bit late to be trying to close the gate now… looks like it’s been done to keep a certain industry happy – ie: retailers that have been complaining for a long time now at the abuse they get when they ask people to wear masks.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:22pm
kevn

@Maggie… Yes, looks a bit odd rather than fetching with the stab-proof vest, at a press conference.
Can’t trust those weird angry journos.
Just don’t mention Musk and she would be ok.
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April 28, 2022 9:14am
- kowtow
  
  At a press conference you need the protection on your back , in NZ anyway .
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:05am
Yvette

From the end of May, people with “genuine reasons” for why they can’t wear a face mask will be able to get a personalised exemption card that holds legal standing, the Government says.

So this indicates masks will be still required, for those not exempt, at least at the end of May?
How is that determined by medical science?
And how was certified exemption ever “hard or fast” since it will yet take to the end of May when it has been 2 years already?
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April 28, 2022 9:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How very odd… to finally get official mask exemption cards 2 years after the pandemic; and 20 months after it became compulsory for folks to wear them on public transport.
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/8/31/face-masks-mandatory-in-new-zealand-as-auckland-lockdown-lifted
  
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  April 28, 2022 1:20pm
Maggie Pie

And things that make you go hmmm…

‘Government to spend 1.4 Billion on decontaminating 62.8 hectares of land in Mt Roskill to make way for 16,000 state houses’

– Megan Woods ($tuffed)
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April 28, 2022 9:21am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, will this be in addition to their 100K Kiwibuild homes? Just wondering…
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    
    We accepted a quote last month from a specialist Roofing company to replace the Shingles on our Conservatory.
    We were told they couldn’t commence work until October at the earliest.
    Something about a lack of suitably qualified builders.
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:54am
  - rockape
    
    Must be, Kiwibuild was for first home buyers to purchase cheaply. These are state houses!
    
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    April 28, 2022 3:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oooooooooh…
  
  what was the land contaminated with?
  
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  April 28, 2022 9:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Seems to be a part of the deal, rather than what Maggie implied:
    
    It included work to decontaminate 62.8sq hectares of land Mt Roskill, 90sq hectares of land at Tāmaki, and 68ha in Māngere.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300574826/government-pumps-14-billion-into-auckland-to-prepare-more-land-for-housing
    
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    April 28, 2022 9:57am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Allah only knows.
    
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    April 28, 2022 10:13am
  - skyblue
    
    Pig hides………………
    Seriously, there used to be a lot of industry in Mt Mosquille. I think contamination will be copper/chrome/arsenic from timber processing among others.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:09pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    My guess would be asbestos. Back in the day some farmers used broken off-cuts of asbestos containing building products on farm races. But given Labour’s record, they only need to decontaminate enough land for 16 houses.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:22pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Interesting question.
    Where the presser was held is being “regenerated” with lots of new breeding boxes being built.
    So that bit must be OK.
    There are new areas being “regenerated” south of Richardson Road so it must be in there were the problems lie. Probably asbestos or “p” as the area is a bit of a gang stronghold.
    
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    April 28, 2022 12:38pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Who would want to live next to “Kieangerrower” tenants in Mt Roskill of all places. Do the ‘affordable’ homes come complete with the flak jacket when they are ready in 2035?
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:24am
ClanMcleod

Good news people, Prince Charles has a cunning plan to save us all from climate change now that they “fixed” covid. Face masks for cows……..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2022/04/27/face-masks-cows-could-help-save-planet-one-burp-time/
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April 28, 2022 9:23am
- C-Town
  
  That’s cruelty to animals!
  
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  April 28, 2022 8:22pm
ClanMcleod

Bad Cattitude reaffirming what has been becoming clearer as the real evidence evolves.

“the evidence is overwhelming that natural immunity is stronger, more sterilizing, and longer lasting than covid vaccination. brownstone has collected over 150 studies on this topic HERE.

it is manifestly clear that not only are the vaxxed and boosted getting more covid than the unvaccinated:
but that this trend is getting worse over time as variants undergo evolution driven by leaky vaccines that have antigenically fixated the purportedly inoculated.”

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/as-vaccine-failure-becomes-more-and?s=r

Layman explanation here.

“it is also why, many have posited, these vaccines have proven so unable to provide sterilizing immunity. because this is an after effect. it’s akin to training your night watchman to recognize a burning building, but not an arsonist. until the fire gets lit, he won’t react, even if the arsonist is still standing right next to it. he’s never seen one. he does not know what an arsonist is.”

The vaccines not only do not work, they are causing long term problems and negatively impacting our innate immune systems.
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April 28, 2022 9:50am
- cmm
  
  I don’t think anyone would dispute that natural immunity would be better in the long run.
  
  The “vaccine” is not a real (natural vaccine). It is a custom built thing that attacks in one way only: targeting a specific shape of spike protein.
  
  That is all: one attack vector only.
  
  As the virus mutates, the spike protein shape changes and the fit isn’t as good. The “vaccine” loses its already limited effectiveness.
  
  Natural immunity (or a real natural vaccine for that matter) attacks via multiple mechanisms (IIRC 20 or more known vectors).
  
  Mutating to bypass one mechanism is easy – like jinking past one player on the footy field.
  
  Mutating to bypass multiple mechanisms is a lot harder – like trying to side step a whole back line.
  
  One tweak can massively reduce the effectiveness as we see with Omicron which as numerous spike mutations. Boosters are not helping because there’s little point in filling up with something that doesn’t “fit” the mutated virus.
  
  If anything, a leaky vaccine drives mutation.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:17am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I don’t think anyone would dispute that natural immunity would be better in the long run. Unless you work for, or on behalf of big pharma. Eg most of politico-pharma complex.
    
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    April 28, 2022 3:37pm
BeaB

Kim Hill allows Angry Andy Little to finish every sentence. In fact she allows him more than one sentence at a time.
Blatant bias.
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April 28, 2022 9:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Gosh….
rich folks are buying up seaside properties.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/04/marama-davidson-says-billionaires-buying-up-seaside-properties-should-feel-the-pinch-from-climate-plan-more-than-ordinary-bach-owners.html

Hasn’t anyone told them that the seas are rising,
or do they know something the Plebs don’t know?
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April 28, 2022 9:56am
- Nickc2
  
  They’ve realised that Sea Level Rise is a scam!
  
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  April 28, 2022 10:01am
- mawm
  
  We’re just following the example set by Barack Obama, he who stopped the rise of the oceans, with his purchases of seaside properties in Hawaii and Martha’s Vineyard.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hawaii Islands are made from a volcanic vent. Atm that vent is under the Big Island, or Hawaii Island. The plate they are all on move to the north east. One day the Big Island will not be over the vent, and a new island will start.
    At the top of the islands in the north west, the islands are sinking into the ocean. It is not ‘Climate Change!!’ The hoaxers will tell you different (save the planet wanks)
    
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    April 28, 2022 2:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      North WEST!!! My typo
      
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      April 29, 2022 8:58am
- Ehlana
  
  Richer landowners can presumably afford to protect themselves from inundation. (https://www.granddesignsmagazine.com/grand-designs-houses/amphibious-house-buckinghamshire/ or https://www.granddesignsmagazine.com/grand-designs-houses/flood-proof-house-in-essex/).
  
  I do think the priority for public money should be on (probably relocating) those who live and work shoreside.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:51am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Has Marama Davidson met the Obama’s? I’m sure she’d thrill to other People Of Colour showing her around their fabulous seaside mansions in Martha’s Vineyard and Hawaii.
  
  Barack and Michelle certainly knew something about Climate Change and the rise of the oceans: that it’s a great grift for folks like them.
  
  Admittedly Barack said that his Presidency marked the moment when the oceans stopped rising so there’s that.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:05pm
Maggie Pie

This guy is definitely RACIST!

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1518576839777734657
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April 28, 2022 10:06am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I love the comments – most pointing out that Elon Musk is more African than Shaun King.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:26am
- mawm
  
  Probably mentally certifiable too.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:39am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Shaun King (aka Talcum X) is the whitest Black guy on Earth.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And when it was posted that he was deleting his Twitter account…..
    Donald Trump Jr. responded “That alone is worth 44 Billion”
    
    LOL!!
    
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    April 28, 2022 1:51pm
cmm

How dare these people!

Such selfishness… Cindy’s pouring out kindness and they’re not feeling it.

Labour is the Wellbeing Government and we’ve has at least one, maybe more, Wellbeing Budgets, but the damn punters aren’t doing their bit.

Little: “We are aware of that and know we need to have support and services in place to be able to respond effectively to i… We are still not there yet. We still have plenty to do.”

Perhaps like with housing, crime, education, etc your “helping” isn’t really helping. Please stop.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/great-minds-nzs-mental-health-crisis-more-kiwis-struggling-with-wellbeing-since-covid-research-reveals/Q4HT7GCKTBYYGH57RBT6PW55PI/
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April 28, 2022 10:34am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING

I’m sure MCos will appreciate this one…… 😀

https://twitter.com/KiwiFrontline/status/1519121707335700480
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April 28, 2022 10:38am
- MCōs
  
  Mildly amusing
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:06am
MCōs

Today is the Feast of St Peter Chanel and 115yrs ago the Home of Compassion was opened at Island Bay.
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April 28, 2022 10:38am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’ve always adored his No.5
  
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  April 28, 2022 1:45pm
  - MCōs
    
    One gets the impression you only interrupt your Sundays to attend Mass to cover your bases on the off chance the Catholics are right.
    
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    April 28, 2022 5:09pm
cmm

Oh, the irony….

That symbol of Kiwi courage – the flag that Sir Ed took to the pole – has hung in an abandoned wrecked building for 10 years because H&S regulations have said it has been unsafe to get it.

That flag should have been left where it was and abandoned along with the myth of Kiwi Courage.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128473613/flag-sir-edmund-hillary-took-to-south-pole-saved-from-ruins-of-christ-church-cathedral
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April 28, 2022 10:46am
I remember when

North Taranaki Midweek:
Agrichemical site to be flattened:
The old Ivon Watkins/Ivon Watkins Dow site at Paritutu, where production ceased in 2021, is being removed down to the concrete. The company has decontaminated all its buildings since production finished.
Treatment of the soil is still being worked thru.
The company, Corteva, said it was committed to doing the right thing from an environmental point of view.

The last part is probably going to be the most contentious.
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April 28, 2022 11:07am
Jack5

As we enter a period of runaway inflation, are the Labour Government’s Ministers economic criminals, or are they guilty but insane?

From the Herald:

“The Government announced a $1.4 billion housing and infrastructure package for Auckland today.

Housing Minister Megan Woods said about 400 urban renewal projects in Mt Roskill, Mangere, Tāmaki, Oranga and Northcote … ”

Milton Friedman, the Nobel Prize economist:

““The only cure for inflation is to reduce the rate at which total spending is growing.”
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April 28, 2022 11:13am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oj-hwbe7jAQ/
The ‘Big Guy’ Paid Hunter’s Legal Bills.

We’ve got a new bombshell email that’s just been exposed showing that Sleepy Joe did in fact pay for Hunter’s legal bills, and one of them was to a Chinese government-controlled company! In this video, we’re going to look at the latest bombshell coming from the laptop from hell, we’re going to see how members of Congress are pushing for the appointing of a special prosecutor, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal the ironic twist that it may be a censorship-free Twitter that ends up bringing the Biden regime down. [10:14. The Swamp could use this as an excuse to get rid of Brandon.]
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April 28, 2022 11:22am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7YDSx01j6UZ6/
Technocratic Green Left Win in Slovenia.

What will become of Slovenia now? The left have a majority. They came from nowhere. [08:55]
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April 28, 2022 11:22am
- Peter S
  
  End up as Slovenlya.
  
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  April 28, 2022 5:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SS-PxAG-ac
Teacher’s Pet Gets Free Fruit.

France’s President is so popular, some citoyens are giving him free food.
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April 28, 2022 11:23am
David Garrett

Would some Trumpistas here like to explain away this?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300574958/trump-says-he-feared-being-pelted-with-very-dangerous-fruit-at-rallies

Is it all bullshit because it appears to come from the Washington Post?

Biden might be senile – I dunno, I am not a doctor – but this guy is seriously unhinged. Wasn’t how to defend against an attack with fresh fruit a Monty Python sketch way back in the day??
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April 28, 2022 11:23am
- Andrew S
  
  Don Brash got pelted with ‘mud’ and Steven Joyce got pelted with a dildo for the MSM to have a grand ol’ laugh.
  
  Imagine the public outcry and media response would be if the tables were turned and the untouchables (left) were shown the same ‘LOL’. But alas, it’s OK when the left do it.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Watch Richard Prebble take an eggmid-interview. He wipes it off and continues. Legend.
    
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    April 28, 2022 2:46pm
    - curry4me
      
      I remember that incident from back in the day. My estimation of Labour went up. I remember all those funny Mad Dog cartoons too.
      
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      April 28, 2022 6:52pm
  - virtualmark
    
    And neither Brash or Joyce had a protection detail from the US Secret Service.
    
    Personally I wouldn’t want to throw anything at a US President … I suspect the Secret Service would shoot first and decide later whether it was a tomato or a grenade.
    
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    April 28, 2022 4:03pm
    - curry4me
      
      You’re not wrong there. Except, someone did throw a shoe at Bush 43 in the early 2000s, and lived It was in the Mid East somewhere. I’m surprised Micron’s security detail didn’t draw their guns.
      
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      April 28, 2022 6:54pm
- curry4me
  
  It’s probably not BS. I wouldn’t want to get by a pineapple. He sounds a tad precious there though.
  Meanwhile, Teacher’s Pet [Macron] got a donation of free fruit from discontented citoyens recently.
  
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  April 28, 2022 11:43am
- rangitoto
  
  Trump has advanced to the semis. Whoops a different Trump.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  If the Dems really wanted to get at Trump they would pelt him with Big Macs, not fruit. There’s no way Donald’s going to dodge a Big Mac.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:03pm
- Andrew S
  
  ”I dunno”? For someone that loves to lecture others on correcto-mundo speech, you sure do take the pish at times my learned ‘fiend’.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:10pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Hey David – it’s Stuff; like the rest of their Trump stuff, it’s 90% bullshit.
  
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  April 28, 2022 12:36pm
  - David Garrett
    
    So, are you saying Trump never said he faced serious injury from being attacked with fresh fruit??
    
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    April 28, 2022 1:08pm
    - kowtow
      
      There was a context for all that which of course the media has distorted and dishonestly presented his take in that article.
      
      After all the villification that Trump gets ( and the rest of the right) perhaps it’s time we stood back and looked at any of these anti Trump media presentations dispassionately.
      
      Trump never actually said he faced serious injury from a tomato .
      
      The context was they had received info that some shit heads were going to turn up to attack the meeting , yes with fruit . That’s where he said something about knocking crap outta them ( the media turn that into “incitement to violence” ) Er , what is throwing things at people at a political rally if it isn’t actual violence .
      
      Trump in the deposition said that throwing fruit was dangerous , and I’d argue that if you turn up at a political rally with any objects to throw , be they eggs , buckets of manure , fruit , etc then you’re looking to 1 , assault , 2 attack the right of people to meet and exchange views in peace and 3 that’;s fascism .Any fascist turning up at a Trump rally to assault and disrupt is going into very dangerous territory .
      
      Trump , as nearly always , is right . Bombastic , b ut right. And that’s one of his endearing features.
      
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      April 28, 2022 2:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      See from page 172 in this deposition:
      https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21748396-trumpdepositionexcerptsefraingalicia42622
      “And you get hit with fruit, it’s – no, it’s very violent stuff”
      
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      April 28, 2022 2:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s the article direct from the Washington Post including some amusing comments.
    I suppose you don’t trust that publication either?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/27/trump-says-he-feared-being-pelted-with-very-dangerous-fruit-rallies/
    
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    April 28, 2022 5:03pm
    - kowtow
      
      Wapo call the deadly Marxist BLM riots the “racial justice protests” , I wouldn’t trust them at all.
      
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      April 28, 2022 8:02pm
- David Garrett
  
  So, no Trump supporters willing to engage sensibly on whether Trump was actually scared of tomatoes and pineapples…No big surprise there.
  
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  April 28, 2022 4:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    I did at 2 09 and as at now 501 am still in moderation.
    
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    April 28, 2022 5:01pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    throwing stuff at politicians is the thugs veto, a way of saying we can hurt you physically, and could escalate that if we chose, a simulated assassination in effect so cower and hide away lest we do worse. There is no assurance that it won’t in fact be worse – rocks, broken glass, bleach or acid, infectious diseases etc or something more lethal. It should not be tolerated in political discourse and should not be used as a means to attack or ridicule someone targeted – as that just validates and excuses it and so increases chance it will be copied by others.
    
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    April 28, 2022 5:58pm
  - curry4me
    
    Probably a mix of that, and the likely mayhem that would follow. He’d cop more flak if he’d said “Bring it on”.
    
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    April 28, 2022 6:57pm
Maggie Pie

Check out this f***wit!! 😀

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1519134375752835072
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April 28, 2022 11:46am
Bobba Fret

It always amuses me how the left argue that we must all pay a fair share of tax. So when a person pays $100,000 in tax, and another person pays $5,000 tax (or effectively nothing after benefits), it is always the person who paid $100,000 in tax that has not paid their fair share.
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April 28, 2022 12:10pm
- Tricati
  
  If the left want the tax system to be fair, then get them to tax IWI, Churches, Charities like Greenpeace and businesses like Sanitarium – Then I suspect there would be plenty to go around.
  
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  April 28, 2022 1:45pm
  - Hebe123
    
    Get the landowners of Maori land to pay their rates too. Oh no, they don’t have to pay their share, that’s racist.
    
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    April 28, 2022 7:15pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I often wonder if it is worth working the extra hour when govt takes >40% of it. I’d be pocketing nearly 50% more for the (international consultancy) work I do if I moved to somewhere like Panama.
  
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  April 28, 2022 3:45pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Have you been to Panama? I have. Not much chop, amigo.
    
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    April 28, 2022 7:59pm
- Prince
  
  And when the person who paid $5,000 tax is asked to name the father of the child she receives taxpayers’ money for, so the father can also contribute to his child, there is no financial penalty for not doing so. In fact there is outrage at the idea.
  
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  April 28, 2022 4:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

WARNING, WARNING
If my pedantary upsets you, read no further….

I can just handle the fact that an article on an infestation of a moth caterpillar is described as a
“Plague of black worms”….as at this particular stage of its life cycle these caterpillars are also known as armyworms.

But what the heck am I to make of a journalist who thinks an etymologist is an insect expert?
An etymologist (insect expert) from the Ministry of Primary Industries (MPI),

https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300574302/plague-of-black-worms-like-they-fell-out-of-the-sky-chomping-bay-of-plenty-gardens

Especially when the “Stuff” journalist has an MA in Modern Languages!!!!!!!
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April 28, 2022 1:44pm
- kowtow
  
  But these are the people who tell us we can trust and rely upon them…….and they can’t even get the basics right.
  
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  April 28, 2022 2:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like the mistake has been corrected in the 2:34pm version.
  
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  April 28, 2022 3:40pm
  - Mike
    
    It’s reassuring that Stuff has retained some editing abilities.
    My biggest complaint is that their quiz questions frequently contain errors.
    
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    April 28, 2022 5:37pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If that’s your biggest concern about Stuff then I think you’re missing the point
      
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      April 28, 2022 8:00pm
- Peter S
  
  If Marvel had made that type of mistake, instead of Ant Man and the Wasp we would have ended up with a book worm and spelling bee as superheroes.
  
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  April 28, 2022 5:00pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ant and Bee and the ABC.
    
    Great book.
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“Democracy” the Labour Way

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/466059/maori-ward-fallout-councillor-peter-bentley-resigns-during-stormy-meeting

Secretive
Dictatorial
Pathetic
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April 28, 2022 2:03pm
- kowtow
  
  It is anything but democratic.
  
  very dangerous times.
  
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  April 28, 2022 2:34pm
Maggie Pie

New Zealand used to be known for it’s own ‘home-grown’ Entrepreneurs once.
Not so much these days by the sound of it.

Heard a caller to Talkback earlier, saying that the entire chain of ‘Shosha Vape Store’s in New Zealand (now over 100 and growing) are owned by an Indian immigrant…. Himanshu Mittal.

It’s a similar situation with most of the Liquor Shops as well apparently.

Imagine if the Greens had made Hard-Drugs legal…there’d very likely be an Asian owned meth store on every street corner as well.

Just saying
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April 28, 2022 2:36pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… They just love the ca$h businesses.
  
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  April 28, 2022 3:42pm
  - Jack5
    
    It helps to have a docile, low-wage labour force ….”I’ll hang on to to your Immigration work permit until …”
    
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    April 28, 2022 4:37pm
krazykiwi

Kamala Harris: Two jabs, a booster, and a second booster making her quadruple jabbed.

Oh, and she has just tested positive for Covid-19. Source.

Effective? You decide.
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April 28, 2022 2:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Krazy, poor Cackles.
  
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  April 28, 2022 3:58pm
- MCōs
  
  How crook is she?
  QEII caught covid-19 the other day. One imagines she’s had at least three jabs.
  A few days later she’s back doing stuff.
  She’s 96yo.
  
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  April 28, 2022 4:50pm
krazykiwi

Praise be! The cloth-eared git cunningly disguised as a royal heir is flourishing his eco-creds again:

Prince Charles backs face masks for cows to help save the planet one burp at a time

Masks. For cows. To save the plant. Supported by the man who promises to be an ‘activist king’. Sigh.
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April 28, 2022 2:55pm
- David Garrett
  
  KK: FFS…Prince Charles…the best argument for Republicanism yet.
  
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  April 28, 2022 4:29pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    He’s mostly harmless
    
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    April 28, 2022 8:02pm
Maggie Pie

News Flash!

Elon Musk sets sights on world’s largest carbonated Soft-Drink manufacturer….

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519480761749016577
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April 28, 2022 3:00pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  But fixing McDonalds’ ice cream machines is beyond him.
  
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  April 28, 2022 4:01pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-shocked-as-7-10-11-and-12-year-old-kids-arrested-in-failed-shopping-centre-burglary/ZJRL5V5HZRF5G4WJNRL644ZHIY/

The parents will be outraged that they were caught.

I wonder what ethnicity they are… it is valid to ask, because He Puapua makes it important to know.
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April 28, 2022 4:06pm
- Inandout
  
  surf, I bet they wouldn’t dare raid The Base, well knowing who owns it.
  
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  April 28, 2022 5:56pm
- Prince
  
  Quite likely the parents were outside in a (probably stolen) car.
  Police say this is the responsibility of the community.
  Not me. Count me out.
  I take responsibility for my family. I have some answers for the families involved here but they go against the kindness fad.
  
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  April 28, 2022 7:17pm
Littletramp

Could someone please get down to the Hawkes Bay smartly, and tell the small children playing in the park to stop being racist by being frightened of the women with tattoos on their face!
When that is done please tell Stuff the kids have promised to stop being frightened, so Stuff can maybe worry about less important things like crime, education, economy, inflation or healthcare.
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April 28, 2022 4:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Grant! just for you…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AvU2cfXRk
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April 28, 2022 4:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I identify as
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188883494769720/permalink/3275227449468647
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April 28, 2022 4:40pm
kevn

What has happened to the very good, Guy Hatchard Daily Telegraph website?
Been down all day.
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April 28, 2022 4:49pm
Niz

Hmm, so the Rotorua Bill has been ‘suspended’. ‘Suspended’ doesn’t sound quite the same as tossed in the bin, but I guess we should be thankful for small victories.
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April 28, 2022 4:49pm
Maggie Pie

Herald Court Reporter David Clarkson writes…

‘Christchurch child Sex Offender Wayne Smith, argues 17 year jail-term was too long’

(Scroll down for David’s report)

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/david-clarkson/

My partner said, “He knows what he’d like to do with the – – – -” (refer to Green co-leader)
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April 28, 2022 5:16pm
- skyblue
  
  Hopefully he will learn the meaning of long in prison——–>0
  
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  April 28, 2022 6:07pm
wilderbeast

Found this interesting:

https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/04/28/lets-declare-victory-and-ignore-the-deaths/

Adroit use of the word “idolatry”. And whatever you might say about Christianity at least you can opt in and out. Idolatry of deep state NZ is compulsory
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April 28, 2022 6:49pm
Jack5

More Woke revisionism, as celebrated on Stuff ….

”A street named after a 19th century Royal Navy warship has been changed to a waka believed to have first discovered Aotearoa. The Porirua City Council voted unanimously to rename Calliope Crescent in Cannons Creek, Wellington, to Matahourua Crescent.

The council also plans to rename the nearby Calliope Park.

Stuff says former deputy mayor of Porirua, Litea Ah Hoi, whose comments were relayed by councillor Euon Murrell before the council voted, denied the name change was about race, ethnicity, or culture.

“We have to stop weaponising feeble excuses for the historical slaughter of Maori and land grab,” she said, according to the Stuff report of the reported remarks.

Stuff says that Porirua mayor Anita Baker was “pleased” the name-change resolution passed, because it was “really important” for the local tribe.

Stuff says the street’s current name is after the frigate HMS Calliope, on which Maori chief Te Rauparaha was taken to Auckland from Wellington after he was arrested from during the Wellington Wars in 1846. He was imprisoned by Governor George Grey for two years.

The Calliope was stationed in New Zealand for two and a-half years, and also took part in British colonial warfare in China.

According to Wikipedia:

”The ship’s Royal Marines saw action in the Flagstaff War in the north of New Zealand. A Royal Marine was killed at the siege of Ruapekapeka and two seamen were killed in the Hutt Valley campaign.

The move to diminish place and street names related to New Zealand White pioneer history parallels the Leftist drive to indoctrinate school children with a “revised” version of NZ history.

The Porirua replacement name, Matahoura, is said in the Stuff report to be the name of the canoe of Kupe, the Polynesian believed by some tribes to have discovered New Zealand.

The NZ Encyclopedia says of the Kupe legend:

According to some tribal narratives, Kupe was the first Polynesian to discover the islands of New Zealand. His journey there was triggered by difficulties with fishing in Hawaiki, his homeland. Apparently the problem was a great octopus belonging to Kupe’s competitor, Muturangi. Kupe set out in his canoe to kill the octopus, and such was the length of the pursuit that it brought him to New Zealand. With a companion known as Ngake (or Ngahue) in another canoe called Tawhirrirangi, he pursued the creature all the way to Cook Strait (known as Raukawakawa), where it was finally destroyed.
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