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Happy World Day for Laboratory Animals!
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April 24, 2022 8:02am
- RalphT
  
  A good day to remember that for the last two years we have been treated as little more than lab rats.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  [Deleted – not welcome here. mod.]
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why FFS , its a fact
    
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    April 25, 2022 6:42pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Still recovering from Earth Day:
  https://reason.com/2022/04/22/after-53-earth-days-society-still-hasnt-collapsed/
  
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  April 24, 2022 12:41pm
Yvette

“Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson on Friday released the feedback from the first phase of targeted engagement with Māori on developing a plan to implement the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP).”

■ Māori Health Authority model could be applied to education and justice, consultation suggests
… “There was often comment by participants that the establishment of the new Māori Health Authority could give a sign for a potential approach in the justice system.”
The Government already has plans to introduce legislation in early 2023 to revamp Māori education
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/m-ori-health-authority-model-could-be-applied-to-education-and-justice-consultation-suggests.html

9 February 2022
■ A new dawn for Māori education [Beehive media release]
Hon Kelvin Davis
Education
Work will soon begin on a revamp of the Māori medium and Kaupapa Māori pathways programme that will reconnect more Māori tamariki with their language and culture.
The move, which will see legislation likely introduced in early 2023 to provide a regulatory framework for growing the sector, is aimed at seeing 30 per cent of Māori learners participating in Kaupapa Māori/Māori medium education by 2040.
“This is a change I called for when I was a principal. It is a change that kōhanga, kura and wānanga have fought for; and a change that whānau, hapū and iwi, parents and Māori communities want, Associate Minister of Education Kelvin Davis says.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-dawn-māori-education

So, it seems a change in Maori education is underway before there is any consultation with the 83 percent of the population that is not Maori or “the Crown”
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April 24, 2022 8:03am
- Rich Prick
  
  Jackson is a ranting loud mouth. And a dangerous one at that.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:44am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Did he ever find any of those meaningful jobs that he used to keep talking about for ‘his people’?
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:49am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Does “his people” mean:
      – His hapu?
      – His iwi?
      – Anyone who can document their membership (by birth or marriage) of any recognized iwi or hapu?
      – Anyone who self-identifies as “Maori” but can not document their membership in any recognized iwi or hapu?
      – My fellow New Zealanders?
      – My fellow human beings?
      
      Which one does he mean?
      
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      April 24, 2022 1:04pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Anyone whose surname is Jackson?
        
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        April 24, 2022 7:00pm
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Watching Jack Tame and Willie Jackson right now on TV 1. Jack Tame giving Jackson a real serve right now, Jackson skating all over the place and can’t answer the questions being put to him.
  
  Ouch!
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:48am
  - Media hater
    
    Jackson is as thick as …[deleted – OTT mod.]. Love a debate between him and Seymour.
    
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    April 24, 2022 2:57pm
- JJ56
  
  It does appear that Labour have walked back on the veto power for Maori in the health reforms, but the media isn’t reporting.
  
  H/T Richard Harman https://www.nzcpr.com/backdown-on-maori-veto/
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:49am
- Jim
  
  International Headline: NZ Gov introduces APARTHEID
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:53am
  - mawm
    
    Where’s John Minto? Asking for a friend.
    
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    April 24, 2022 1:22pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, and all this was in He Puapua even though this corrupt government has told us it’s not true, thank god Luxon said there will not be any services with separatist agenda, as I have been saying for some time, we have two choices
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:26am
- Stellaboxer
  
  The silver lining is of course that once they have their own health, education and justice systems and still nothing changes they can’t blame systemic racism anymore can they. Although I expect the cry when nothing improves will be underfunding. Pre European Māori had a slave based economy and they still do only now the taxpayers are the slaves. Clown world.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:07pm
Matt Long

https://democracyproject.nz/2022/04/21/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-a-polarising-co-governance-decision-for-parliament/
Even some on the left speaking out against Labour’s attacks on democracy.
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April 24, 2022 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  sadly these intellectuals ( ?) can speak out all they like , but the silly little things who’re impressed by shallow stuff like Dress Up Princess , Cliche Cindy , or Saviour Cindy will never even have heard of Edwards and niceties such as the constitution won’t occur to them .
  
  Nail polish , hair dos or the latest gadget is where they’re at , or how’s my teddy bear shrine or mask looking these days …..
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:13am
- Tempist
  
  So all animals are equal, just some are more equal than others… where have I heard that before?
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:31am
- emmess
  
  The ‘co-governance’ agenda (overthrow of NZ democracy) story needs to get out to international independent right-leaning media, that way even international MSM might pick it up, if that happens the government might be forced to answer some tough questions, as it doesn’t really align with the narrative the left is pushing internationally (that the right is a threat to democracy blah blah blah)
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I hear the Labour MPs are even speaking out against this, Parker booted Labour fair up the ass on Friday over Rotarua, and a ping at one of the Māori so called caucus in the ex weather man
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:29am
Benedict Yu

“The council’s “leadership and democracy” deputy chief executive Oonagh Hopkins has advised that a scenario in which voters on the general roll elected more councillors than those on Māori roll would not constitute the “parity” desired by the council.”

Good grief. They have a” leadership and democracy ” deputy chief executive.
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April 24, 2022 8:13am
- Opie
  
  Yea, it’s the only way to keep the unemployment rate down.
  
  Just keep inventing jobs that don’t actually do anything. Helps if they are paid for by taxpayers.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Councils generally title the section of their staff that provides clerical support for council and committee meetings ‘democratic services’ or some such. Council chief executives used to be called town clerks. Even the smallest organizations today tend to have a ‘chief executive’, even if they have no other executives.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:22am
  - Cassandra
    
    That’s correct, mike, I was a CEO with a staff of 2. My predecessor was an Executive Director but he wanted to differentiate between us, in that he was (and remained) on the board and I was not. Staff did grow to 15 over the years.
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:05am
  - chukar
    
    And the growth in council “ comms teams” (spin docters) has also been huge in the last few years.
    Have to keep the news positive!
    
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    April 24, 2022 10:40am
- RockyJ
  
  She says not having an equal number of councillors is “contrary to the concept of parity”.
  Yeah, what? What is “parity” and why is parity assumed to be the new standard for democracy? Is it the same as that other buzzword “equity?” Or “partnership?”
  These are all words picked up by the activists as bedrocks for guiding the future. They avoid the difficulties of having to think or defend their view.
  They are a smoke screen, a shield that shuts down debate. More importantly these words avoid having to articulate the ugly truth that a fascist coup is being engineered that will impose a ghastly injustice on future generations.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:54am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Morons presiding over Rotorua’s decent into lawless anarchy and poverty. Another Labour triumph.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:43am
- Prince
  
  And he doesn’t understand democracy.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Did you just misgender Oonagh?
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:35am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Insulted males.
      
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      April 24, 2022 12:39pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Whitney Hansen, daughter of Steve, is an assistant coach for the NZ women’s rugby team.
She may well possess the mental skills to inspire female rugby players, but given her gross obesity she can hardly be a role model for them in the physical aspects of the game, not to mention the dietary requirements.
Not a good choice.
Nepotism anyone?
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April 24, 2022 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Somehow I can’t recall you ever complaining about the size and shape of male rugby coaches.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:23am
  - pdm
    
    Mikey there was a time when Rugby Union was known and advertised as `a game for all sizes’.
    
    Not now.
    
    If you are not 6’2″ at least and cannot run 100 yards in under 10.5secs they do not want to know you.
    
    There is no place for Neil Wolfe or Bluey Arnold in the modern game which I find very hard to watch because of the league like changes.
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:03am
    - MCōs
      
      Aaron Smith Height: 1.71 m Weight: 83 kg
      Brad Weber Height: 1.72 m Weight: 75 kg
      Damian McKenzie Height: 1.76 m Weight: 81 kg
      Richie Mo’unga Height: 1.76 m Weight: 83 kg
      
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      April 24, 2022 9:13am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, they are all huge now, except for the tight forwards who are huger than ever.
      Go down to the sideline of a local club premier game – it’s astonishing the size of the blokes,
      
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      April 24, 2022 9:25am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      None of these All blacks could run 100 in 10.5secs
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:32am
- amospicton
  
  Father Steve was hardly a svelte figure Captain and he managed OK. Nepotism maybe a valid question but it’s not necessary to be an athlete to coach.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:25am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    No you don’t have to be a former athlete to be a good coach. Unfortunately some of the best ex-players in sport do not transition into being good coaches later on
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:15am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Sadly some that would be great coaches do not take it up meaning several talent laden people are wasted
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:34am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    How is nepotism a valid question? Sir Steve Hansen has no formal or informal role with his daughter’s employer, NZ Rugby.
    
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    April 24, 2022 12:14pm
- CJames
  
  I would be more concerned about what her skills in the role were – how many teams has she coached and how did they go, rather than her physical appearance.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    According to NZRFU:
    
    Whitney Hansen joined the Black Ferns in a World Rugby Intern Coach role in 2020. Hailing from Christchurch, Hansen had coached club and age group teams before joining the coaching teams for the Black Ferns Development side in 2019 and New Zealand Barbarians in 2020. She has been the Assistant Coach of Canterbury’s FPC team and this year’s Matatū Super Rugby Aupiki side.
    
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    April 24, 2022 8:42am
  - kowtow
    
    I hope there’s no taxpayer money going into all this wokery.
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:18am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I bet anything you like it is, [deleted] Robertson is sports minister, he is dying for woman’s World Cup to be successful, and he won’t want a repeat of the cricket World Cup, why all of a sudden these guys come out of retirement, if it is not for some type of Devine intervention?
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:36am
  - Jim
    
    In old speak it used to be called professional qualification, experience, competency and reputation.
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I always thought Steve Hansen must have been a prop in his playing days. Imagine my surprise when I found out that he had been a back.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t recall Duncan Laing having the physique of a top swimmer when he coached 11 swimmers to the Olympics
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/37911/duncan-laing-and-danyon-loader-atlanta-1996
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Exactly. The question is sadly typical of men only concerned with the body image of female sportspersons.
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:12am
    - Jack5
      
      are you advocating that, as sports followers, men stick to volleyball?😊
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:37am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I don’t think Sir Graham Lowe ever played rugby league either
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      A junior player I think, who turned to coaching early.
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:08am
    - Ra Henare
      
      He did play Rugby League as a junior.
      Otahuhu Leopards
      
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      April 24, 2022 12:07pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      He did, at both junior and senior (Premier) level for Otahuhu Leopards, but retired early due to a number of injuries.
      
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      April 24, 2022 12:16pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Thank you – I stand corrected
        
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        April 24, 2022 1:42pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Duncan Laing was always a big man, in 1956 he was captain of the NZ surf life saving team to go to the Melbourne olympics in the demonstration sport SLS, Duncan also played prop for Taranaki in the 50s, and was part of their team that held the Ranfurly Sheild, Duncan was a great swimmer, you don’t get into that life saving team without it
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:42am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Those that can do. Those that can’t teach.
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:24pm
- MCōs
  
  Here’s a headline that’ll give you wet dreams
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/124034157/son-of-a-gun-brady-rush-credits-famous-father-for-all-blacks-sevens-callup
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:31am
Pavel

Had a good chuckle this morning reading an article on Stuffed about our finance minister. The line that got me laughing was;
“The Labour Finance Minister came to power with many ambitions, but one overarching theme. He wanted to prove that the idea that Labour Party Finance Ministers were bad with money was false”.
Well, he sure failed there. At least he admits what we all know, that Labor finance ministers are useless.
Here’s what Wikipedia make of his qualifications
“Robertson attended King’s High School in Dunedin, where he was head boy.[4] He later studied political studies at the University of Otago, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts with honours in 1995.[5] His honours dissertation studied the restructuring of the New Zealand University Students’ Association in the 1980s.”
Considering he has never worked or studied finance in his life maybe he should of found a role more suitable to his qualifications and experience. What an embarrassment this whole government is. Who the hell put this lot in charge.
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April 24, 2022 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I thought his finance skills were learned from his father, the former Dunedin accountant who served time for defrauding his clients.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:55am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not to mention his obesity 😀
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:12am
    - Prince
      
      Minister of Sport !
      
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      April 24, 2022 9:18am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Maggie, aren’t you supposed to be at Mass?
      
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      April 24, 2022 9:53am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Not going till 4:30 this arvo….taking my partner’s mum.
        She came over for dinner last night and got sooo p*ssed she’s still asleep upstairs.
        
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        April 24, 2022 10:01am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Any interesting sins to confess today?
        
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        April 24, 2022 10:08am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Putin is at Midnight Mass at present.
        
        https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3175326/vladimir-putin-attends-midnight-orthodox-easter-mass
        
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        April 24, 2022 10:51am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Holy cheeses Mags! He looks like something out of Madame Tussauds 🙁
        
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        April 24, 2022 11:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Muldoon was an accountant. Since then, the qualifications of notable finance ministers have included:
  Douglas – accountancy
  Richardson – law
  Birch – surveying
  Cullen – history
  English – literature
  Robertson – history
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:01am
  - CJames
    
    Didn’t Bill English get a B Com with Honours (why he got a job in Treasury) and only get the Eng Lit degree part time while he was house husband and his wife finished her GP training?
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:26am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sorry, yes you are correct.
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:30am
  - NK
    
    Willis – English literature and debating. But that’s acceptable, because she’s from National.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:32am
  - Ra Henare
    
    English went on to study commerce at the University of Otago, where he was a resident at Selwyn College
    
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    April 24, 2022 12:11pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Bill English did a Bachelor of Commerce degree before doing a second degree in English Literature. But keep telling lies and half-truths, it’s amusing if a little obvious.
    
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    April 24, 2022 12:20pm
  - bjools
    
    By comparison, lets look at the achievements while in the job.
    Douglas – accountancy……GST a great idea here today
    Richardson – law…..recovered the economy from the disaster of Lange govt.
    Birch – surveying…carried on from Ruth, and recovered from the Asia crisis
    Cullen – history…took a strong economy and spent it to oblivion, we were in recession a year before the GFC (and a “cupboard is bare…philosophy”)
    English – literature….recovered from Cullen and GFC (after prediction of endless deficits) and handed over a strong economy
    Robertson – history….took a strong economy and destroyed it BEFORE covid.
    
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    April 24, 2022 12:45pm
- pdm
  
  `Well, he sure failed there’
  
  Pavel
  
  I suggest – well he failed miserably there and is rapidly leading New Zealand twards recession and even depression as inflation runs riot because of wasteful government spending.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:07am
- David Garrett
  
  His honours dissertation studied the restructuring of the New Zealand University Students’ Association in the 1980s.”
  
  Jesus, if that nonsense was an “honours dissertation” of mine I would cringe with embarrassment. (Mine were on silence as misleading conduct [contract] and the environmental impact of offshore oil drilling [environmental law])
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:26am
  - Pavel
    
    What gets me with so much of this government is that every role they fill they find the most unqualified person for the job. Why? They do it so much you have to think it is intentional, no one can be so stupid. Robbo is the most unqualified person for the job, he has no experience in finance. What would happen if pervious to becoming finance minister he had of applied as ceo of one of the big banks? The person filtering the cv’s would of rolled their eyes and be thinking seriously as they threw it through the shredder. So how the hell does he get employed as finance minister? I can’t find the words to describe this scenario, how did it get to the point where the people in government are so totally unqualified. This countries fucked.
    
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    April 24, 2022 10:08am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      See above. It does not appear that professional qualifications have ever been directly relevant to ministerial posts. Of course, the lawyers have always been a bit precious about having a lawyer as attorney-general, but that’s just them being lawyers.
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:12am
- bjools
  
  Roger Douglas…the last Labour Minister of finance with knowledge of Finance?
  Douglas had a summer job at the Auckland accounting firm Mabee, Halstead and Kiddle, accepting a job there at the end of 1952. He gained a degree in accountancy from Auckland University College in 1957. Afterwards, he was hired by Bremworth Carpets in South Auckland as company secretary.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:43am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Eric Halstead, of that firm, was a National M.P. at one stage. I think he became our ambassador in Rome, circa 1976.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:20am
- Taieri
  
  Who the hell put this lot in charge
  ———–
  
  Voters!
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:46am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Winston – thanks for nix buddy.
    
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    April 24, 2022 1:12pm
  - kowtow
    
    The Media Pardy , through wuflu intimidation and fear mongering.
    
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    April 24, 2022 3:08pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Given the wealth of topics on which one could write an honours thesis for a BA in politics, it speaks volumes about the man that Robertson opted for such an obscure, uninteresting, and largely irrelevant topic as the restructuring of the New Zealand University Students’ Association in the 1980s.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He was concerned that the Uni Student’s Associations had changed from being a powerful Left-wing lobby (with a national office and staff) and had devolved into isolated uni-based Associations who were only concerned with Student welfare and education matters.
    
    “A step to the right” : the restructuring of the New Zealand University Students Association in 1986
    
    https://ourarchive.otago.ac.nz/handle/10523/2712
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:09am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Yep… I fell asleep simply reading a comment about the topic.
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:14am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s a shame he couldn’t get someone else to write a dissertation from him, like your Russian idol Dr Putin.
        
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        April 24, 2022 5:09pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  If he really wanted to prove that, why did he print 53 billion and increase crown expenses by 67 percent? Why did he ignore warnings about record House price inflation?
  
  He has proved what we all knew. Socialists don’t understand economics or finance.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:33am
  - Pavel
    
    If socialists understood economics they wouldn’t be socialist.
    
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    April 24, 2022 12:23pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He learnt all he needed to know about finance from his dear ole dad , that’s enough isn’t it 😃
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:44am
- Observer of Life
  
  Not me Pavel. Not me.
  
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  April 24, 2022 6:05pm
Philview

I have read quite a few of Bryce’s articles in the last year and he seems to be fair in his analysis. I have a couple of friends who traditionally lean left but they have no interest in standing up for this corrupt Government.
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April 24, 2022 8:21am
Justitia

Damien Grant on the total absence of any mandate for Three Waters, and other matters of interest: https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128415598/the-shaky-claims-and-untested-ideology-underpinning-three-waters

Just how corrupt has this country become under Labour?
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April 24, 2022 8:30am
- fredonas
  
  “removing property rights without consent is what got us into the mess in the first place.”
  Amen to that and good that Damien highlights the bogus statistics that the government are using to justify the need for reform.
  It’s a basic yet deceptive ploy to inflate reported cases by 10x based on a flimsy assumption and then use that inflated amount as real data to justify their ideological goals.
  No comment section for this article on Stuffed. No surprises there.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:12am
- David Garrett
  
  I read as far as his first use of “Aotearoa”. That’s not my country – the country on the headstones of 12,000 New Zealanders who fell in WW II whose memory we honour tomorrow.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You might want to check the wording in your passport, or on a banknote.
    
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    April 24, 2022 10:09am
    - Jack5
      
      you are right in that the Reserve Bank decided to change the name of the country by putting “Aotearoa” on banknotes before any offical change of the country’s names.
      
      Pity the central bankers hadn’t kept a prudent eye on inflation.
      
      As for passports, Maori language, known to less than 0.064 per cent of the world’s population, is useless symbolism for travellers and confusing to border officials.
      
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      April 24, 2022 11:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Maybe, if the Labour Misgovernment’s Finance Minister had addressed any concerns ot the Reserve Bank about inflation in Maori, we wouldn’t be in a fast-developing mess.
        
        Here’s the Maori Dictionary term for inflation: tāmi ahumoni.
        
        And an example from the dictionary of its use:
        Ko te tāmi ahumoni te pikinga o ngā utu i tētahi pūnaha ōhanga i te takanga o te wā.
        
        It says this means “Inflation is the increase in prices in an economy over a period of time .”
        
        Fixed. Now Tane at the Reserve Bank know the problem.
        
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        April 24, 2022 11:49am
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops, in my 11.34 post ..
        
        I posted that less than 0.064 per cent of the world’s population can understand (speak) Maori language.
        
        If you take the number of people who can speak Maori as about 250,000, then only about 0.003 per cent of the world’s people understand Maori language.
        
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        April 24, 2022 4:48pm
    - Mike H S
      
      Some woke wanker insisting that Aotearoa goes in your passport does not make it the correct legal name of the country.
      
      I, similarly, turn off whenever anyone mentions that name.
      
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      April 24, 2022 1:11pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      And who exactly decided to use Aotearoa on our bank notes & passports?
      
      The name of the country is New Zealand.
      
      If an unofficial name for the country is really needed, what’s wrong with Godzone?
      
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      April 24, 2022 7:13pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        If the legal name isn’t used does that make the bank note illegal tender?
        
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        April 25, 2022 12:59am
  - KiWombat
    
    Aotearoa is not a country at all. It is a word used to describe the main north island of New Zealand, whilst Te Waipounamu is used to describe the mainland, Aotea, Waiheke and Rakino are amongst a large group of smaller islands.
    
    Down here in the mainland we often feel ignored when initiatives are aimed at Aotearoa, and we have to call to see whether we also qualify – –
    
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    April 24, 2022 10:25am
    - than
      
      Aotearoa wasn’t used for the name of the country until much later. NZ was never a unified country back then, they had no concept of one. For example the Cook Islands. Hence the Treaty never mentioning Aotearoa once. It was an English writer who popularised it.
      This Māori currency where Aotearoa was only meaning the north island. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Aotearoa
      
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      April 24, 2022 10:47am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That word Aoteraroa is not mentioned on either the Māori or English treaty points, it’s rather ironic, one time on FB on Aoteraroa topic I said exactly that, and the wonderful Davis gave me an angry face, he did not deny, but just angry face
        
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        April 24, 2022 11:48am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Get over yourselves.
      Like Kia Ora
      Aotearoa has become part of the ever evolving New Zealand Language.
      
      Just like transphobia didnt exist 100 years ago.
      And Excel referring to computer spreadsheets is younger than the use of Aotearoa.
      
      Gosh there are some real redneck fuddy duddies here. Brain dead springs to mind but I am far to polite to suggest it in this case. 🙂
      
      Up early for dawn parade tomorrow are we.? 🙂
      
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      April 24, 2022 12:17pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Aotearoa isn’t language, it is politics by those useless people who think talking is doing.
        
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        April 24, 2022 3:56pm
      - Taieri
        
        Aotearoa has become part of the ever evolving New Zealand Language.
        
        Gosh there are some real redneck fuddy duddies here
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        Perhaps it’s the time to ask all redneck fuddy duddies for their approval? And make it official, if that’s what the populace wants. After all, this country belongs as much to the “rednecks” as it does to those Progressive and Enlightened.
        
        It is a bit strange to refer to “Aotearoa” as the name of the country in the official documents, since this term/name doesn’t legally exist yet.
        
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        April 24, 2022 4:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ra Henare’s fuddy duddies… Brain dead who don’t like the NZ Pidgin that the Woke and Maori activists are trying to create with the help of the bought-off news media, of State TV, and of State radio.
        
        NZ Pidgin would wipe out Maori language as well as English in NZ. Indigenous languages survive, as in Nigeria, when a Pidgin English provides a bridge between them.
        
        In New Zealand, however, Pidgin would replace Maori for all but a few tohungas’ chants and spells.
        
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        April 24, 2022 4:55pm
    - Mike H S
      
      And I also turn off when someone talks about the South Island as the mainland. I feel that South Islanders (I love the South Island and have spent years there) calling their part of the country the “mainland” are suffering from small penis syndrome.
      
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      April 24, 2022 1:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mike HS, a bit like calling Auckland a super city, when China has more than six cities each with more than 10 million people, and Australia has four cities with population bigger than Auckland’s.
        
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        April 24, 2022 5:04pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        No, South Islanders just have sense of humour and like to wind people up a bit.
        
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        April 24, 2022 6:07pm
      - KiWombat
        
        – – – and they fall for it every time !!
        
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        April 24, 2022 6:19pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Captain Cook recorded the native name of the South Island as Tovy Poenammu and the North Island as Aeheino Mouwe. Cook learned of no local name for the Islands as a whole.
      
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      April 24, 2022 2:00pm
- bjools
  
  I don’t think there is a unit of measure big enough to accurately describe it.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:34am
- mogg
  
  I have a strong suspicion that co-governance and three waters are just another hard left scam being used to attack the status quo and Democratic values.
  America already has identity politics; BLM, trans rights, white privilege and a never ending list of ‘victims’, who are being used as attack dogs.
  I don’t do social media, and do not intend to start but I wonder what is going on there.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

Remember all those in-depth, challenging, and informative questions to Our Dear PM and DG of Health as they stood on the Podium of Truth?

Well, that is what the Press Gallery Journalists thought they were asking.

Messenger, inquisitor and newsgatherer? Press Gallery journalists on their role(s) at COVID-19 briefings in Aotearoa New Zealand

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03036758.2022.2063348
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April 24, 2022 8:43am
- Ruahine
  
  Seems to read like a lot of people being caught up with their own self importance.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:00am
- chuk
  
  They really think they were doing great work. The word that comes to mind is “blinkered”.
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:00am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I first thought of “corrupt” and then “arrogant” with a few others to follow.
    
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    April 24, 2022 12:23pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I didn’t get past stupid.
    
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    April 24, 2022 6:10pm
- Jim
  
  I scan read the paper but I nearly choked when I read the last sentence:
  
  “Perhaps their critical, aggressive and sometimes hard-to-watch questioning during the COVID-19 daily briefings could be considered a necessary evil”
  
  Well I must have mistakenly tuned in to a 1300 satirical sketch, where complicit paid off muppets asked softball questions (usually on a muted microphone), despite having the benefit of hindsight from events happening all around the world to ask some very searching questions of the government.
  
  Many global surveys demonstrate that confidence in today’s Western media is at an all time low. Public trust will only further diminish given such delusional lack of awareness of those in the (so called) profession.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:52am
- kowtow
  
  “Press Gallery journalists, I find they perceived their journalistic roles at the daily briefings to be: 1) holding government decisions to account; ”
  
  Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ……….
  
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  April 24, 2022 12:33pm
Swifty

Does anyone know the origin of the use of the word ‘Kiwi’ for the nuclear thermal rocket programme run by NASA at Los Alamos?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Rover

I thought ‘Kiwi’ might be just an acronym, but looking at the names given for the subsequent reactor/engine types it appears not.

I wonder if Bill Pickering had anything to do with it.
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April 24, 2022 8:45am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Several New Zealanders were involved in the Manhatten Project, after Ernest Marsden figured out what the Brits and Americans were up to and volunteered some of our scientists. I forget the details, but it is possible that some stayed on, or that they left an etymological influence.
  See Rebecca Priestley’s excellent book, Mad on Radium: New Zealand in the Atomic Age.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:09am
  - Jack5
    
    at its peak the Manhattan Project employed 130,000 people.
    
    An outstanding group of lead scientists in the project were Hungarian Jews: Leo Szilard; and Eugene Wigner, John von Neumann, and Edward Teller, all three of whom went to the same high school in Budapest, the Fasori Evangelikus Gimnazium.
    
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    April 24, 2022 5:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The article explains that it was named Kiwi because the engines were prototypes and weren’t ever going to be airborne.
  
  At the time of the KIWI program (Los Alamos) Pickering was head of JPL (Pasadena) and was intent on getting rockets into space.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From the link:
  The first phase of Project Rover, Kiwi, was named after the flightless bird of the same name from New Zealand,[21] as the Kiwi rocket engines were not intended to fly either. Their function was to verify the design and test the behavior of the materials used.[25] The Kiwi program developed a series of non-flyable test nuclear engines, with the primary focus on improving the technology of hydrogen-cooled reactors. Between 1959 and 1964, a total of eight reactors were built and tested. Kiwi was considered to have served as a proof of concept for nuclear rocket engines.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:20am
  - rangitoto
    
    Vlad the bads people are working on a similar idea for a nuclear powered cruise missile which could fly around the world and attack targets from any direction. It would also have radioactive exhaust. Another Russian mad scientist concept weapon is a nuclear powered and nuclear armed torpedo which could stay at sea for months or years being recalled for periodic maintenance. Effectively a suicide AI submarine. I read several scientists were killed in a mishap related to the development of the nuclear powered cruise missile.
    
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    April 24, 2022 4:49pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks all, I am on my little phone today and didn’t read all of the link I posted.
  
  Many thanks again.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:13am
- Jack5
  
  NASA did this without the word, kiwi, being “gifted” to it by a tribe?
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:45am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    In which case…cultural appropriation!
    
    Which response is now required??
    
    1. UTU
    2.KOHA
    3. Another reason to invoke UNDRIP
    4. All of the above
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:17am
Lee C

I have long held the opinion that Pike River was a cluserf**k whihc required the collusion of the then Government, The EPMU, the Directors and Shareholders of the Pike River Mine.
It is inteterestng to me that one Andrew Little then President of the EPMU was placed in charge of the very enquiry that woulld uncover some of the ongoing dilution of safety standards set in action under Helen Clarks’s Government and aided by the Directors at Pike Rive which resulted in so much loss of lives.

The narrative has been to place all the blame on evil capitalists. But while Little was cultivating his political career, it could be argued that his own union colluded in relaxed safety standards which meant that one of his own Shop Stewards died in the fire.

So thank goodness for transparency and a new Government willing to get to the bottom of this and achieve ‘justice’ for the families of those killed – or at least promised to when it was politically beneficial to ‘promise’ it.

Subsequently, powerful media interests (is the ODT affilliated to the EPMU?), it certainly gets lots of public cash from Ardern and Little), and the usual lickspittle supporters of ‘equality and justice’ have fallen curiously silent about the plight of what Helen Clark loved to call “ordinary hard-working kiwis”:

Is it a cover-up? One might argue it is not. But if it were:

“The Ardern government would be incapable of enforcing this agenda of coverup without the assistance of all sections of the political elite in NZ, including the Greens, the Council of Trade Unions, the corporate media and the pseudo-lefts of Socialist Aotearoa, the International Socialist Organisation (ISO) and Organise Aotearoa. The mainstream media has barely reported on the PRFG’s struggle, and supports the push to seal the mine without anyone being prosecuted. Most recently, on June 8, the Otago Daily Times editorialised that the families should “move on” and that the re-entry operation was too expensive. The pseudo-left organisations have written nothing since the Ardern government came to office in 2017.”

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2106/S00149/what-is-the-new-zealand-government-trying-to-bury-in-pike-river-mine.htm
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April 24, 2022 8:46am
Philview

Stuff have put up three interesting opinion articles this morning. Alison Mau talked about the Arise Church and I unexpectedly found myself agreeing with her thoughts. She talked about the corporate model of Christianity now being used by some churches including Arise. I consider myself a Christian and it is getting harder to fit in with the Church. We have hard left politics coming from the pulpit at one extreme through to ‘show us your money’ corporate churches.
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April 24, 2022 8:47am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is probably possible to lead a life in accord with general Christian ideals without attending any church.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:16am
  - Jack5
    
    So you’re a fellow-traveller of Christianity, ✝️Milky?
    
    Boo-ing the hungry lions from the pleb seats at the Coliseum. Better to boo than to bleed!
    
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    April 24, 2022 7:59pm
- Prince
  
  It’s almost as bad as the Labour Party Youth Wing.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:21am
- mawm
  
  The Church left me and not the other way round when the Anglican Church became the religious wing of Marxism.
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:06am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Has the Archbishop of Canterbury started referring to the ‘opium of the people’?
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:15am
- kowtow
  
  Every click is support.
  
  I try my best to avoid.
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

To celebrate Earth Day yesterday, President Biden fired up Air Force One and traveled several thousand miles in order to deliver some warnings about the existential threat posed by the burning of fossil fuels in airplanes
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April 24, 2022 8:50am
- Nickc2
  
  Senile decrepit old fool! Only in America eh?
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  He’s also promised to spend billions making their military vehicles environmentally friendly .
  
  You can’t make this shit up , it’s like a parallel universe .
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, being environmentally friendly whilst simultaneously blowing up the planet makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?
    Politicians, we shouldn’t feed bastards, should we?
    
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    April 24, 2022 2:11pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , I hope they engineer them such that when they get blown up by some rocket or missile they ensure the carbon foot print is minimal.
      
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      April 24, 2022 3:18pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Yeah, sure. His actions bear no relationship to his words on climate change, but he’s on the up-and-up on when it comes to Ukraine and Covid for instance, innit.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:18am
Tomtoddy

I am no apologist for Christopher Luxon but it is very apparent that the ninth floor has the heat on for more articles attacking him, claiming petty stuff like – “walking back….” and he gets more than his fair share of negative cartoons in the Ferald.

It was very obvious that nothing of consequence came out of the PM’s Asian trip. Can’t have Luxon filling the vacuum with anything positive.
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April 24, 2022 8:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think starting off a security deal with Japan was well worth a trip to Tokyo. Although, in the broad scheme of things, I doubt the value of personal overseas travel by MPs and ministers.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I read somewhere that the meetings Ardern had were very productive – although the content of those meetings is not known.
  What a crock of shit that is.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:22am
  - plc
    
    One CRI re-announced a decision made mid-2021. But this time with PM present.
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:29am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve: Did Clarke go with her? Has Clarke been sighted lately?
    
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    April 24, 2022 9:35am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Did you see my post last week DG with the pic of ClarkE’s ‘body-double’ ?
      
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      April 24, 2022 9:47am
      - David Garrett
        
        I did not
        
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        April 24, 2022 10:15am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Pant’s on fire!
        
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        April 24, 2022 1:06pm
    - kowtow
      
      Clarke was reported as being in the entourage to Singers , so yes , he did and yes he was.
      
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      April 24, 2022 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, first fish was there, at least I think it was him.
      Special dispensation given for him?
      
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      April 24, 2022 10:02am
  - Jim
    
    IMO it’s simply the ‘accredited’ press pack paying the piper for (selecting them to attend) an overseas junket.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:57am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    There were some mournful swaying kiwi fruit
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/22/jacinda-ardern-greeted-by-giant-sad-dancing-kiwis-during-visit-to-japan
    
    There is an embedded video to watch complete with the sad music.
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  nothing of consequence came out of the PM’s Asian trip.
  
  Don’t be too sure about that.
  
  China will be taking note of her Japan trip
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/22/world/asia/new-zealand-japan-intelligence.html
  
  https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Japan-New-Zealand-in-talks-to-share-information-and-intelligence
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:28am
- Paulus
  
  Thought I read that so called media pack were exhausted, and did not think much of her PR exercise.
  Was it because Tova was not invited along.
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:27am
- Philview
  
  I was thinking yesterday that the media attacks are cranking up on Chris Luxon. It is apparent when we have multiple media attacks from TVNZ to print media carrying the same attack line then it isn’t a coincidence. The thrust is that Luxon is making gaffes and isn’t up to the job of leader. I just hope the public are now more aware of what is going on with this Government and some journalists.
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    The media can’t seem to understand his plain direct form of speech.
    It is too clear for those used to swimming through Labour’s waffle soup.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:14am
  - Its only I
    
    This has been going on since forever.
    
    The MSM have declared itself to be the guardians of the Ardern fantasy as they seem to believe they rate as popular with kiwis as our vaccinated rates.
    
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    April 24, 2022 12:12pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “The thrust is that Luxon is making gaffes and isn’t up to the job of leader.”
    
    Do they actually listen to Jacinda? 😳
    
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    April 24, 2022 1:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She makes gaffes then refudes them, next question Jess……
      
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      April 24, 2022 2:58pm
Tomtoddy

Went to hear David Seymour the other night. Spoke for an hour, no notes, coherent, good content, logical, excellent humour, handled questions with ease, really on top of his job. He has come a long way and looks like a party leader who could successfully negotiate more than his fair share in a coalition.

My question is how many of his team could slot into a Cabinet role? He needs to give them more exposure and/or pull in some heavier weights before the next election.
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April 24, 2022 9:01am
- David Garrett
  
  I am told Mr Seymour rules his caucus with an iron hand, and acts as if the only reason they are there is because of the Epsom seat. But then of course he never expected to have a caucus that size
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:02am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s been a while since Act had one of its regular bust-ups. Can’t have a political party without competing factions and personalities.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:17am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I think Brooke VanVelden would make a good fist of taking Auckland Central off the hopeless Chloe.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:56am
    - MCōs
      
      All sorts of ACT luminaries have stood in Auckland Central over the the years.
      The most successful was Donna Awatere Huata who picked up 7.05% of the vote in 1999 and came fourth.
      Brooke van Velden stood in 2017 and 151 voted for her.
      I would suggest that even though she has a slightly higher profile now she doesn’t have a show and if anyone is going to beat Swarbrick it’ll be National.
      
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      April 24, 2022 12:33pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I see what you did there Cap 😛
      
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      April 24, 2022 1:09pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Not unless she’s offering free Marijuana.
      
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      April 24, 2022 2:16pm
- Gravelroad
  
  “My question is how many of his team could slot into a Cabinet role? “
  Yes, well, fair enough question.
  Did anyone ask that of the Labour Party before they foisted upon us their team of unknown activists, single issue martyrs and now clearly out of their depth ministers?
  No.
  Who to trust is the real question.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:04am
- kowtow
  
  Why ?
  
  There isn’t one single competent minister in the current regime . Not one.
  
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  April 24, 2022 3:15pm
- curry4me
  
  I’m pretty sure all o the ACT caucus could take a cabinet post and do well in it. Thay have something called competence. This is totally lacking in the current government that NZ Worst installed in 2017.
  
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  April 24, 2022 6:25pm
Yvette

The co-governance issue of the day is whether local government elections could be altered so voters on the Māori electoral roll have the power to elect exactly the same number of councillors as those on the general role. The council in question is the Rotorua District Council, which has asked Parliament to give it legislative permission to introduce a new system for this year’s elections, allowing voters on the Māori and general rolls to elect three councillors each. – Bryce Edwards: A polarising co-governance decision for Parliament
https://democracyproject.nz/2022/04/21/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-a-polarising-co-governance-decision-for-parliament/

So Maori (22,000 votes) = 3 seats
Non-Maori (56,000) twice as many votes, still = 3 seats

Labour was never good at maths – certainly “not smarter than a 10 year old”

And if this system “works” for local government, how long before it is enacted for central Government – that is, for Parliament?
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April 24, 2022 9:03am
- Nickc2
  
  It was stated on Andrew Bolt’s show on Aust Sky TV the other night that NZ was about to implement a system whereby five Non-Maori votes would equal one Maori vote.
  If true, how crazy and undemocratic is that?
  
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  April 24, 2022 2:21pm
  - Yvette
    
    If “co-governance” means Maori 50 percent / non-Maori 50 percent
    Then Maori, roughly 16.5 percent population share, would have to be multiplied 3 times to reach their 50 percent.
    Non-Maori, the other 83.5 percent would have to become 0.6 of a vote each to equal their 50 percent.
    Maori at 3 each compared to Others at 0.6 each gives Maori five times the voting power of non-Maori.
    So Australian Sky TV may be right.
    
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    April 24, 2022 3:55pm
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      TKS. How can Aust MSM come to this conclusion and our MSM won’t even mention it?
      
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      April 24, 2022 8:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Our MSM told us tonight that democracy is more than just one man one vote…and it is not the tyranny of the majority anymore
        
        https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/24/willie-jackson-co-governance-a-chance-at-equity-for-maori/
        
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        April 24, 2022 9:15pm
Tomtoddy

Had reason to have had dinner in two hotels in the last couple of weeks – one in Wellington and one in Auckland last night. In both cases we four were the only ones dining, literally no one else. Staff present and good quality meals but, heck, the hospitality industry must be bleeding badly.

We know who to blame.
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April 24, 2022 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Russia and Ukraine are the culprits//
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:24am
  - mawm
    
    Surely you jest? It was all Russia’s fault. And now we are all going to starve because the world’s food supply comes from Ukraine which they can’t harvest because of Russia attacking east Ukraine. //s
    
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    April 24, 2022 10:13am
- plc
  
  “Nine years of neglect”?
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:30am
- Maggie Pie
  
  They weren’t previous MIQ Facilities were they Tommy?
  
  We’d never EVER go to of any those joints, to either dine or stay, even if were given freebies 🙁
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another ‘hope this works’ thing from FB.
Brittany Hughes, Stop appologising to the Liberal Lynch Mob.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1874455602577479
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April 24, 2022 9:10am
Cassandra

You don’t have to be an apologist for Luxon to recognise his superior skills and experience over the current PM. Except for one important area which is motivating the faithful and attracting voters from other parties – Ardern did a great job for her party last election (likely all becoming custard next one, we hope!!). It remains to be seen re Luxon. Is the increase in support for the Nats due to Luxon or because Ardern has been revealed as all hat and no cattle?
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April 24, 2022 9:12am
- Cinematic
  
  No she didn’t. Covid and fear did a great job.
  
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  April 24, 2022 12:53pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Which major Bank intends establishing a separate Maori-Banking-Division….and who will they appoint to head it up?

Asking for a friend.
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April 24, 2022 9:36am
- curry4me
  
  I would guess Kiwi Bank as the likely culprit.
  
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  April 24, 2022 9:59am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m sure there is a Mahuta looking for another trough.
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think all the banks have a section dealing with the Maori Business Economy…and why wouldn’t they when there’s $70B sloshing around.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/whats-driving-the-maori-economy
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:11am
  - NK
    
    I just laugh so hard at this drivel. I mean the economy is the economy. It doesn’t distinguish between Māori or Pacific Islanders or whoever. CEOs who drive this nonsense need to take a look at themselves.
    
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    April 24, 2022 11:22am
Sparrow

Just watched Tame attacking Luxon on Q&A I hope he attacks Willie Jackson same way.
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April 24, 2022 9:36am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44OZAl9oBKo
Why is Sri Lanka Collapsing? – TLDR News

Sri Lanka is in a very bad place at the moment with violent protests erupting across the country. So in this video we outline what’s going on to drive Sri Lanka’s collapse and what the future might hold for the island nation? [8:37]
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April 24, 2022 9:50am
curry4me

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/04/23/democrats-now-looking-to-limit-losses-rather-than-add-seats-in-november-n1592154

Democrats Now Looking to Limit Losses Rather Than Add Seats in November
In recent weeks, the mood of Democratic leaders at the state and local levels has darkened considerably. And it promises to get even darker in the weeks and months ahead as voters in every age group and every income bracket look to blame Joe Biden and the Democrats for the inflation.
And inflation is far and away the number one issue American voters will make their decision on whom to support this November.
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April 24, 2022 9:51am
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Absolutely disgraceful interview by Jack Tame with Luxon this morning on Q and A. That guy seriously needs reigning in. Would he ever act that way towards Jacinda Ardern? No wonder people hate the media
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April 24, 2022 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  How did Lux [Luxon] handle it.
  
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  April 24, 2022 12:29pm
- Jimmy Brown
  
  I saw that interview as well. I could not believe what I was seeing/hearing. Jack Tame was appalling. His political colours were on show for everyone to see.
  
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  April 24, 2022 12:44pm
- Cinematic
  
  Tame is a runty fellow confusing hubris for intelligence. Not worth watching or listening to.
  
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  April 24, 2022 12:56pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Totally disagree, SG.
  
  Given that Luxon aspires to be our prime minister, Tame gave him a jolly good workout.
  
  I have no doubt that, secretly, Luxon was rather pleased that Tame pushed him — good practise for when such interviews will really matter, like, in 17/18 months’ time.
  
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  April 24, 2022 2:12pm
- Bullion
  
  Luxon wants to be PM, he can’t expect a walk in the park.
  
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  April 24, 2022 5:19pm
- curry4me
  
  Ofcourse he wouldn’t do that with Stalinda. His outfit is part of the ‘team of $55 milion’. They’re going to stay bought until the bitter end.
  
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  April 24, 2022 6:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Chinese Social Credit System. Is this where NZ is heading? The control freaks will not stop unless we stop them.
https://rumble.com/vvhe8y-joe-rogan-stunned-by-great-reset-video-on-coming-digital-id-dystopia.html?
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April 24, 2022 9:59am
- mawm
  
  This is precisely why the Western Liberal Democracies (that are no longer so) have insisted on vaccinating everyone – it’s a pathway to a digital ID and “social” control by subterfuge. Ardern want’s to be the leader of the pack but Mario Draghi has beaten her to it.
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:29am
- NK
  
  Of course it’s where the world is going. China is overt, the rest of the world is introducing it covertly.
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:24am
Surely Knott

One of the terms used by Main stream media to label the unvaccinated is “refusenik”. I think they mean it in this sense, “ Over time, “refusenik” has entered colloquial English for a person who refuses to do something, especially by way of protest “ but the origins of the word I’ve learned a term used to denigrate Jewish Russians who were not allowed to emigrate to Israel and we’re persecuted. “ As a rule, Soviet dissidents and refuseniks were fired from their workplaces and denied employment according to their major specialty. As a result, they had to find a menial job, such as a street sweeper, or face imprisonment on charges of social parasitism.[3]”. The term seems appropriate for the unvaxxed both in its modern and historical context.
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April 24, 2022 10:00am
Maggie Pie

Just a gentle reminder… DWTS premieres tonite 7pm on TV3.

Kerry Woodham leads off with her version of ‘The Macarena’.
Should be a real hoot!

See where the other contestants on the show refer to her as… ‘camp mother’ 😀

https://youtu.be/zWaymcVmJ-A
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April 24, 2022 10:29am
Paulus

See that former NZ First Tracy Martin has been appointed Chair of the new combined TVNZ and RNZ along with other Labour Mercenaries, including the Pacific reporter Barbara Dreaver.
Martin is now on the ex Roads Board with some Maori name.
It is because she was party to the deal done by Peters and Ardern, which is still secret.
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April 24, 2022 10:32am
- Jack5
  
  NZ First has sunk without Tracy ….
  
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  April 24, 2022 11:42am
- Matt Long
  
  It surely isn’t because she’s competent.
  
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  April 24, 2022 4:38pm
ClanMcleod

Eugyppius (the blog) with the usual words of wisdom. This time re the lunatics responsible for imposing draconian policies on the population over the last couple of years.

“It should not be the job of government to stop viruses from spreading by rationing social interaction among healthy people”

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/rintrah-radagast-it-should-not-be?s=r

“It’s a useful tactic in the moment to point out that SARS-2 interventions have failed. Masks, lockdowns and finally vaccines have not behaved as promised, they have not ended the pandemic. Attacking these failures is a way to end restrictions, but in the longer term it’s also a path towards destroying the credibility of the authorities who imposed these measures in the first place. They’ll fight for every inch of ground here, but we have some chance of hurting them, and there are not so few of us as you might imagine. People like Neil Ferguson and Christian Drosten will be heckled all the way to their graves.”

Add Baker, Hendy, Jackson, Wiles and all of the other Branch Covidians to those names.

These pandemicists need to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
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April 24, 2022 10:35am
- Ra Henare
  
  You do remember that Tracy Martin resigned from NZ First. Maybe these appointments were bait to help her dump on Winston??
  
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  April 24, 2022 12:25pm
Prince

An example of totally inappropriate, senseless advertising placement, Waka Kotahi places ads in every Stuff article detailing traffic accidents.
Not only are the ads laughable (seriously, ‘we have a vision of zero deaths and serious injuries on NZ roads’ – you need to seek help about those visions), they are counter-productive, being placed in articles detailing yet more carnage on our roads.
Whoever the minister is, they should ask some hard questions about the $’s being thrown at this crap.
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April 24, 2022 11:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The minister is Michael Wood, the guy with the Elvis haircut, and he is a total twit.
  
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  April 24, 2022 2:45pm
Suze Wainwright

I’m really excited about the innovative and progressive form of democracy that aotearoa is seamlessly transitioning into.

If Ms Ardern is unable to yet articulate the bold New Democratic vision (or probably doesn’t understand it herself yet) for her adoring followers, why doesn’t she just ask her ally Rawiri Waititi MP to provide a Reader’s Digest version for them?
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April 24, 2022 11:47am
Maggie Pie

Just shot up to NW to get a few Croissants for our lunch.

They still require customers to wear Masks instore.
Not that it worries me too much…..I still get a lot of people asking where I get my Balenciaga ones from.

But one thing that I still find revolting….is the number of Asian women you see in the Fruit & Vege section, who yank a plastic bag off the roller-holder, then proceed to lower their mask and lick their fingers in order to open it. Only to squeeze all the fruit with the same hand!

Grosses me out tbh 🙁
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April 24, 2022 12:06pm
Swifty

Here’s some good common sense stuff from a farming mate in Tokomaru sent today by text – and in response to some conversations a few of us have been having around 3 Waters, ‘indigenous’ Maori, co-governance etc:

“The rats introduced by Maori are obviously not indigenous. As they came on the same canoe why are Maori considered indigenous?”

He’s got a point there. 🙂
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April 24, 2022 12:48pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I think the rats and possums get a bum rap in NZ. They can trace their ancestry back 10 times more generations than any Maori, when do they get to become locals?
  
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  April 24, 2022 10:33pm
Maggie Pie

SEXIST REPORTING IN THE HORRID…..

‘Ex-All Black’s Helipad Plan.’

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1518008219272159237

As if Ali Williams would have had any ‘plans’ to buy a f***ing Helicopter. LOL!!

Whatever Ali does is strictly down to Anna….

SHEESH.
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April 24, 2022 12:52pm
- Bridgenag
  
  and mother
  
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  April 24, 2022 1:29pm
Benedict Yu

Drove on Transmission Gully today for the first time. It is impressive.

My only criticism would be that most of it is rough chip seal. Also in many places the surface is slightly undulating.
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April 24, 2022 1:32pm
- AitchW
  
  If it’s anything like the Cambridge expressway they leave the rough chip seal for 6 months to allow it to bed in then they go over the top with a smooth tarmac which is a LOT smoother and quieter.
  
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  April 24, 2022 2:00pm
  - chukar
    
    Huge difference in price between bitumen and chip seal!
    That will be the reason.
    
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    April 24, 2022 8:54pm
Lee C

This link suggests that mainstream media are fabricating footage about the bombings in The Ukraine:
https://www.facebook.com/100009596142655/videos/668671644282166/
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April 24, 2022 1:44pm
- rangitoto
  
  Says the Kremlin.
  
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  April 24, 2022 7:07pm
Swifty

Someone once said “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”

One big lie running around the country currently is that “A Maori baby and a Pakeha baby born next door to each other and on the same day – the Pakeha child will outlive the Maori baby by seven years….”

I’ve seen Patrick Gower state it and latterly Janet Wilson in their columns.

Here is Gower’s (but I’m having trouble tracking down Janet’s column):

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/patrick-gower-reveals-the-question-david-seymour-needs-to-answer-on-m-ori-co-governance.html

Gower asks: “The question that David Seymour needs to answer is this: why if a Māori child is born, like in the house next door to me, do they live for seven years less than the child born in this [Pakeha] house?”

(Gower also then goes on to automatically leap to the conclusion that co-governance is the answer and the only answer – while providing absolutely no argument nor evidence whatsoever to support this.)

I cannot think of a more gross and misleading use of statistics in the country at present.

It is quite wrong to position things in this way and I believe Gower and Wilson are either ignorant of reality or deliberately misleading us – it has to be one of the two. I suspect the former and which is deeply troubling for two journalists of such prominence and long-standing.

I accept the fact that on average, and when comparing groups of people, Maori have a lower life expectancy than European New Zealanders and that Asian New Zealanders outlive us both.

However, if you drill down into Maori figures (and those of the other racial groups) you’ll find many, many Maori living well, well into old age and just as long as anyone else but also you’ll find some Maori living lives considerably shorter – thereby dragging the whole Maori average down.

If NZ is such a racist country as both Gower and Wilson claim, why is it that this racism affects only some Maori, in terms of life-expectancy, and not others? Why is it that with all this claimed racism, bias and discrimination many Maori live just as long as anyone else?

And here’s the real kicker – if NZ is so racist, discriminatory and white-supremacist – then why do Asians outlive us all?

What do Gower and Wilson and others put this down to? Asian-supremacy? Asian privilege?

Better and more illuminating questions would be “Why are some Maori experiencing lives that end in premature death compared to other Maori and other New Zealanders, on average?” and “Why are Asian New Zealanders outliving everyone else? What are they doing that others are not”

But I guess heading down that road takes the wind from the sails of co-governance doesn’t it? It completely destroys the argument that there is systemic discrimination on NZ keeping ALL Maori (and Pacific) down and whitey on top (but in fact Asians are).

This is easily the most disappointing element of this whole debate for me – the lack of honesty and evidence in our conversations. That, and us being rail-roaded into new policy directions and constitutional arrangements on rotten, flimsy arguments which fall over at the slightest nudge.

(I’d add on a personal note too that I’ve had Maori cousins who have lived well into their 90s. Never smoked, drank very little, worked all their lives, kept themselves trim, active and fit, maintained an excellent relationship with their GP etc over their lives and only really started slowing down in their 80s.)
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April 24, 2022 2:04pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “then why do Asians outlive us all?”
  
  Mainly diet. Low levels of sugar and carbohydrates. And lower alcohol consumption than other ethnicities.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s analyse the leading question from a Marxist lens as opposed to a racist/ethnic-lens.
  
  New Question: Why does a middle-class Maori Child live for seven more years than a Pakeha boy born to unemployed, social welfare dependant parents?
  
  New Question: Why does a middle-class Maori child born to caring, educated parents live seven years longer than his Maori cousin born to a poorly educated, drug/alcohol-dependant parent?
  
  We seem to be having a racist/ethnic lens placed on all our bad statistics…. but who speaks for non-Maori lower class folk with lousy health, education, and employment prospects ?
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:24pm
Maggie Pie

They now walk among US…..

Australia’s ‘A CURRANT AFAIR’ program ran an expose on their Administrative-Appeal-Tribunal, promising to reveal the “savage thugs” and “cretins” who had managed to avoid deportation after feeding the Tribunal “sob stories” and “bull shit”……

Clik & scroll down for full story 🙁

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/craig-kapitan/
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April 24, 2022 2:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ben Shapiro educates on climate change. I don’t think the girl who asked the question had any show of understanding him (talks so fast)
And yes, I did understand!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDt6DY5zWFQ
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April 24, 2022 3:16pm
Hugh Jarse

Jack Tame is an aggressive, smart supercilious twat. He tried to belittle Luxon in that interview. He was smug, laughing and smiling through the interview showing his superior intellect. He apparently is not interested in any of his tax money being wasted on poor quality spending. If there was any doubt that Luxon has the left running scared that interview was it along with the endless tweeting by the left supporters to try and build a legend that Luxon is incompetent. Personally I think they are piddling into the wind and they know it. Luxon handled Tame pretty well all in all.
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April 24, 2022 3:59pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I should have added it’s clear the left and the media now have their attack line sorted out to shape public opinion and take Luxon down 18 months out from the election. Very disturbing but not unexpected.
  
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  April 24, 2022 4:11pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    There must be some kind of concern among leftist circles out there. I note the latest Curia poll was mentioned on the radio news the other day and finally the National Party is actually ahead of Labour – even if only by 1% {I sometimes wonder if Curia deliberately under counts National).
    
    Then there was comment from some frantic, obscure Massey University political ‘scientist’ saying No No No, it’s impossible, National will NOT be leading the next government…
    
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    April 24, 2022 6:30pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      When were the Talbot results last leaked to the media and is Reid Research still using push polling techniques?
      
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      April 24, 2022 7:11pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Time for Mr Tame to move on into to his true home – that of a cosy seat in the PM’s media propaganda department.
  He won’t though as more valuable to the Labour Party in his current role at the state subsidised broadcaster.
  He can say what he likes because there are no consequences or challenges for him and his views.
  
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  April 24, 2022 8:17pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/128445392/pitbull-attacks-and-kills-cavalier-king-charles-spaniel-out-for-walk-in-gisborne
These ferals should be shot.
The owners, I mean, not the dogs.
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April 24, 2022 5:54pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/128443637/tributes-flow-for-four-teens-killed-in-invercargill-car-crash
Dying at 16 and 17 is appalling. A tragedy for the families.
Four kids who were ex-school pupils at 16 and 17 years old, driving a large, expensive, powerful ute: how could this happen?
Questions must be asked. And answers must be given.
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April 24, 2022 6:23pm
Maggie Pie

Watching 3Ewes when we got home from Mass.

Sounds like the Government’s ‘Road-to-Zero’ strategy is going as well as the Gun Confiscation Law preventing criminals obtaining firearms.

Anyway, must fly….Kerry’s about to take the stage 😀
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April 24, 2022 7:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Gay couple get highest score in first episode of DWTS!
  
  My partner just txt it was more rigged than the Tyson Fury v Dillon White fight.
  
  LOL!!
  
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