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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun to start the day. Upset workers at Twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFNCsSBnYVg
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April 20, 2022 8:02am
- Don Beckett
  
  Hilarious. Thanks Steve. 😆
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hear what the Doc says at 26 seconds in?
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

And:
https://babylonbee.com/news/husband-shows-wife-how-to-close-her-8537-mobile-browser-tabs?
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April 20, 2022 8:03am
- Batman
  
  Is that after the husband’s child shows him how to close his 7649 browser tabs? Most of which were the same thing looked up ever day.
  
  It is the circle of life, Simba!
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:35am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If you’d actually read the article you would have read this – much funnier than your lame attempt:
    
    “At publishing time, Clarice, also filled with overwhelming charity and patience, led her husband to the closet to show him how to throw away his 141 old, disintegrated t-shirts.”
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:42am
Tony Stuart

If you ever needed proof how vindictive the Labour Party is, check out the photo below:

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=531147118381322&set=a.484126549750046

Jacinda Ardern, a lowly backbencher in 2013, had nothing to do with with marriage equality. Louisa Wall, now a non-entity as far as Labour is concerned, did the mahi.

It appears that Louisa Wall has been airbrushed out of the history of the Labour Party; punishment, I guess, for calling the process used by the Party to remove her from her seat as “corrupt”. That’s pretty low-rent stuff, even by Labour Party standards.
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April 20, 2022 8:08am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Maybe Louisa would like to use this in one of her FB posts….
  
  https://twitter.com/EvilArthurFleck/status/1516352914431770628
  
  LOL!!
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Becoming more and more like the Democrats every day. The Nasty Party.
  Seriously, there was no need to do that. Wonder exactly who instigated it?
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  Much like how Trotsky got disappeared from that photo with Stalin.
  https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/stalin-photo-manipulation-1922-1953/
  Labour is just following their Playbook
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:01am
- edhunter
  
  The first comment I saw on the page shows the left is never satisfied & the “ok on to the next crusade” mentality we should fighting- “and yet immigration laws for equality of differently abled children remain discriminatory… it is high time that new zealand learns to embrace inclusion for special kids in its immigration policies.”
  As if our Health & Welfare services & taxpayers pocket aren’t under enough strain lets import more unabled bodies into the country for feelz.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:02am
- cmm
  
  While Louisa might have put the bill forward, it was National that put the bill through, so yet more bullshit.
  
  If Labour are so pro marriage equality then why didn’t they do this while Aunty Helen was still in power? Nope, Louisa had to wait until National would support her.
  
  By the time Labour left office, marriage equality was old hat and was already sorted out in Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa and various US states.
  
  If they had really been behind this it could have happened then.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:08am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Not so; marriage equality came to Parliament via a Member’s Bill from Louisa Wall. It was never a Government Bill, and a number of National MP’s opposed it.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:27am
    - cmm
      
      You’re missing my point.
      National was in power. The bill would never have made it through without National’s support.
      
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      April 20, 2022 2:36pm
      - gump
        
        National didn’t support the bill. They called a conscience vote and allowed each individual MP to make their own decision.
        
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        April 20, 2022 5:08pm
      - Bullion
        
        More National MPs voted against the bill than for it.
        
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        April 21, 2022 4:01pm
- David Garrett
  
  Tony S: Well, what can you say? They are doing what their comrades in the Politburo used to do, albeit with Photoshop and not scissors.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:21am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Says the user of suppression orders.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:20am
- wisteria
  
  Even more brushed out. This site is no longer available. timed at 10.30am 20 April 2022
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Someone from Labour Headquarters follows Kiwiblog.
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:45pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      That must be really painful for them. I wonder if they do short tours of duty, followed by mandatory re-education sessions.
      
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      April 20, 2022 6:41pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Tony, “even by Labour Party standards”. You have made the erroneous assumption that they have standards. The bottom is never the bottom and nothing is beneath this bunch of petty little student politicians and Union bullies.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:04am
G152

Heard Tamahere claim that Cindy getting called names has never happened before and he is disgusted.
Where was he when John Key was PM or is he just lying for liebor ?????????
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April 20, 2022 8:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The current Speaker and the current Minister of Immigration liked to call John Key the “Prime Mincer”…
  
  http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/02/labours-homophobes.html
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  Ask Piggy Muldoon.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:26am
  - Prince
    
    And Potato-Head Bolger, Herr Clark, Don Key etc etc.
    NZ has a proud history of bringing our PM’s down to size, as do most Western democracies.
    It appears Princess Ardern is not to be treated with such disdain.
    
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    April 20, 2022 8:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Deleted – illegible. mod.]
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:09am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Herr Clarkenfuhrer, wasn’t it?
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:02pm
  - pdm
    
    Gravel – or Percy Allen – `the minister of silly walks’.
    
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    April 20, 2022 8:40am
    - Jethrod
      
      The Minister of silly walks was Keith Allen, the National MP for Tauranga, late 70’s early 80’s.
      Minister of Customs for Muldoon.
      
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      April 20, 2022 4:25pm
      - curry4me
        
        He was also diabetic. His “drunk in public” episode was a diabetic episode.
        
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        April 20, 2022 6:08pm
- Homas
  
  Remember when a certain US talking head referred to his own duly elected President’s mouth as another world leader’s “cockholster” (an insult entirely predicated upon the most egregious opposition disinformation campaign), and was subsequently gleefully feted by our own Kind Leader, much to the delight of a fawning local media?
  
  Try flipping the facts 180 degrees on that one and consider what sort of hysterical “misogyny” and “bullying” narratives present themselves.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:33am
- Nickc2
  
  Didn’t Tamahere refer to women Labour MPs as ‘Front-Bums?
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Indeed he did..
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/01/john-tamihere-s-most-controversial-moments.html
    
    and he thought it was a great joke that Young men went around sexually abusing under-age girls and he’s not too keen on “queers”
    
    but look folks, that was then (when he was tainted with Labour group-think)…
    This is now…and as aVice-President of the Maori Party, he would never lower himself to such “horrible, low, and classless” abuse.
    https://www.teaomaori.news/dirty-online-politics-towards-pm-unfair
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:27am
    - pdm
      
      Tamahere VP of the Maori Party.
      
      I didn’t know that – isn’t the `Cowboy Hat’ wearer his son in law?
      
      Nepotism rules supreme in the Maori Party hierarchy.
      
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      April 20, 2022 3:13pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Don’t forget the current Minister of Agriculture, Minister for Biosecurity, Minister for Trade and Export Growth, Minister for Land Information and Minister for Rural Communities calling the people who decided the Labour list as “a gaggle of gays”.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4870142/Labour-MP-leaves-list-to-gaggle-of-gays
    
    One of the better sledges because it’s both accurate and hilarious.
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:05pm
- kowtow
  
  “Tinkerbell, can you settle down?”
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:58am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “Zip it sweetie”
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:05pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      They labelled Ruth Richardson. “ Ruthanasia”
      Due to the Mother of All Budgets.
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:15pm
- Biscuit
  
  G152, always remember as Labour’s 2023 electoral fortunes go down the gurgler, that people associated with them are on the lookout for outside-of-Parliament jobs.
  
  John is simply putting his hand up and saying ‘Lookety, Jass, it’s ME!’ as the lollies associated with the Co-Governance scam get doled out amongst the faithful…
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:12am
Yvette

“Co-governance – Jacinda, don’t waste our bloody time like you did with the non-Conversation you had on Capital Gains Tax, when you just created a void, which squabbling participants filled while you sat back with no commitment to any Government position –

Already – Veteran Māori broadcaster Moana Maniapoto accused National leader Christopher Luxon of “misinformation” during a fiery debate about co-governance.

Surely any fiery debate is a waste of emotion and time, for the audience included, if neither party knows what the hell they are really talking about – and Ardern, Robertson and Willie Jackson supposedly do.

■ … Luxon said the Government needs to be clear about its co-governance intentions.
“I don’t think the Government is being very clear about co-governance and I think if you went outside on the street and asked an everyday New Zealander: what is co-governance? They’d be unable to explain it.”

■ In July last year, Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson announced plans to consult with Māori on He Puapua before engaging with the wider public on indigenous rights. The engagement with Māori is complete and wider public consultation will begin later this year. [1]

Newshub runs this under the headline ‘You’re not helping’: Māori broadcaster accuses Luxon of ‘misinformation’ in co-governance debate smearing Luxon, while Moana Maniapoto is equally “not helping” – is that “news” slant not political as well as racial bias on the part of Newshub, which is also not helping?

And why is “Co-governance” not defined now by the Government already?
Or is it?
Surely Willie Jackson had a clear definition to discuss or consult with Maori for six months.
And if not, what did he discuss with Maori?
Don’t treat us like maroons – yet again

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/m-ori-broadcaster-moana-maniapoto-accuses-christopher-luxon-of-misinformation-in-co-governance-debate.html
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April 20, 2022 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  National is being set up to be the fall-guy for this issue.
  
  Without clearly defining what Co-Governance entails the Nats are always going to be on the backfoot and will be branded as racists by the Maori Party and Labour.
  
  The Maori Party & Labour can shift and slide about and play verbal games with the Nats and deny that they are allocating disproportional control of institutions and resources to Maori.
  
  The Nats need to stop playing the game and just point out that separate development and ethnic favouritism is not the direction they will follow.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:50am
  - Frank the tank
    
    It was idiocy to agree with the interview in the first place with an activist journalist. Te Reo’s minders need an upper cut for agreeing to the interview in the first place. If glorious leader doesn’t have to talk to Hosking Te Reo sure as hell doesn’t need to go on Activist TV.
    
    Te Reo Luxon your target market is inner city under 35 females.
    
    Leave the treaty heavy hitting to Seymour he is much, much better at it.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I think the woman screeching at Luxon has done him a favour, not a Orewa favour, but a sign he won’t be dictated to over separatism
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:26am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Branded racist? When Labour are on 20% and heading lower, bar for their rabid core of extreme leftists and unionists (who will never leave them), no one will care what they say. And the Maori Party should be ignored completely. National shouldn’t even speak with them.
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He already has, he said there will be no separatist systems for services, or for resources such as water, but says apart from that what is it we are talking about, he said to that Roman the other day, I put it too you if you ask most NZers to define CO-governance, no one will know, and he is right.
    Glad to see him grab a couple of points from He Puapua and point to it not forking for Māori
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:24am
  - Positan
    
    Maggy, there seem to be very few brains or even halfway competent people left in National’s line-up. So many opportunities to spell out what they’d have done instead or would do – and we get NOTHING but complete and utter silence. As a long time Nat, I seriously doubt that they’ll get my vote next time.
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:29pm
- RockyJ
  
  Now that the first round of consultation is complete is there a summary of conclusions or agreement available to read?
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Hahahahahaha. Nice one!
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:07pm
- Jack5
  
  The bought-off media are helping with messages on Maori.
  
  In Stuff today, a reporter tells of research into Maori dogs, kuri, and says they were well looked after.
  
  What isn’t touched on, you can read at the NZ Encyclopedia. Facts such as that Maori ate them, and the dogs hunted and killed kiwis:
  
  Kuri were an important food for Maori, who enjoyed the meat. The English explorer James Cook said it tasted as good as lamb.
  
  Dog skins were used for cloaks, and the bones were made into fish hooks and necklaces. White dog hair was tied onto weapons, to distract an enemy as the weapon was moved.
  
  Kuri were good hunters, catching kiwi, pukeko and other birds.
  
  The dogs were sacrificed in rituals to please the gods, and were sacred food for priests.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    seems pretty clear that hunting kūri nd packs of roaming kūri helped 50% of our vertebrate fauna toward their untimely extinction.
    
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fevo.2021.757988/full#:~:text=of%20feral%20kur%C4%AB.-,Conclusion,destruction%2C%20and%20predation%20from%20kiore.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:35am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Yep Maggy, I’ve said before here, that the Maori claim that they protected (and gave guardianship to) the fauna and flora of NZ is just nonsense. They drove a great number of birds and animals to extinction.
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:12am
  - David Garrett
    
    A classic case of misleading by half truth.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Let them keep it up, it just makes the voter want to vomit more
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:27am
  - Paulus
    
    From where were the dogs introduced – Gondwanaland ?
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not at all…
      
      Domesticated SE Asian (South China) dog… probably via Indonesia
      
      https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2011.1395
      
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      April 20, 2022 1:44pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Weren’t dogs an evolutionary result of skinny Bears who failed tree climbing classes?
        
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        April 20, 2022 1:51pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What shits me with lefties including Ardern is they think questions are debate, what the he’ll is the matter with these fools.
  That woman was asking him questions and then started waving her hands and abusing Luxon, one hood thing is, it drew attention to Luxon picking the He Puapua paper to bits on a couple of points, he say we are not going to be involved with this, and stated that it will note help Māori at all, he drew attention to Māori not wanting to be part of society, but at vaccine hesitancy was bought off by kfc and the like yo get to them, not that he suggested kfc was the right tool, but the fact they were able to get into the minds of Māori to wake them up, doesn’t sound like Labour lite to me, I have been told by a guy helping Nats with policy issues that they are going to push the racial divide to stand away from separatist agenda, that guy posts regularly on this site, snd he said ,they are not going to put up with separatist policy at all, which is good from where I stand
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:20am
  - curry4me
    
    Oh, that’s very good news that the Nats aren’t buying into all this Apartheid garbage.
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:59pm
Cinematic

Interest rates are in a steady climb. It looks to me like the Labour clown show will deliver a deep recession. Billions borrowed and spent for zero productivity gains. What a disaster.
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April 20, 2022 8:16am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Word is another increase of 0.5% in May.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:21am
  - pdm
    
    BF – most likely June, July and August too.
    
    Both Orr and Robertson have been promoted way above their capabilities so inflation is going to be with us as long as they are the key decision makers.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:08am
    - Biscuit
      
      pdm, sounds like a job for Super Trev!
      
      Inflation has probably never had sprinklers turned on it before, let alone bad music!
      
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      April 20, 2022 9:23am
      - pdm
        
        Biscuit – The Despicable Mallard would have no idea how to turn the sprinklers on.
        
        He might get former North Shore (Midnight) Mayor Andrew Williams to tinkle on it though.
        
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        April 20, 2022 3:18pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I think Orr has been hamstrung by Robertson, he is now pushing the eject button, and is calling for [deleted] to do his bit
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:33am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Great for us savers
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:31am
    - chukar
      
      Not great for any savers,
      Savers get hit more than most anyone else with the loss of value and purchasing power of their savings.This includes the retired and those on fixed incomes
      R Douglas called it theft.He was right!
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:25pm
    - Hebe123
      
      Yeah if you don’t account for the ~20% inflation.
      They say 7% but I see fruit and veg is 18%, fuel 50+% and housing rental costs of 10%. Oh and electricity must be up there too.
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Watch the Budget Timeline. There will be a lot omitted by design.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:39am
  - pdm
    
    Announcements made to be confirmed by future announcements about more and more announcements.
    
    If nothing else this government is consistent with its multiple announcements programme.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:09am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      This govt doesn’t fail at everything, they have managed to dramatically increase employment of ~~propagandists~~ comms staff, The announcement creation industry is booming!
      
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      April 20, 2022 1:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I’m gonna make a new Folder on my Deckstop Comp named “Announcements” so I can keep track of announcements of announcements by date/
        
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        April 20, 2022 1:38pm
- kowtow
  
  An extra $ 6 billion about to be pumped this year .
  What level of spending does that presage for an election year .
  
  Wawa wewa .
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    4 billion for climate change, who pays for that crap?
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You do, so do I.
      
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      April 20, 2022 1:40pm
- nathie
  
  Fancy witnessing the Minister of Finance (ex-student politician) berate the Governor of the Reserve Bank.
  
  Sure Mr Orr may not be everyone’s “cup of tea”, however Mr Orr has decades of experience in his field (eg NZ and UK Masters qualifications, worked for the OECD, NZIER, Treasury, private sector banking and RBNZ), but is being berated by a Clown dressed up as a Finance Minister (his experience mainly being a Labour Party apparatchik, learning the dark arts of scheming and selling porkies from H1)!
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:28am
- mogg
  
  ANZ predicts next inflation @ 7.4% and expected to go higher. The deadly combo of rocketing inflation and falling house prices are guaranteed end of Ardern and Robbo.
  She bought her popularity by splashing the cash
  during Covid, the vast majority love rising house prices and they loved Jacinda for all their tax free capital gains, but now it has all gone into reverse.
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:12am
- Master Mariner
  
  I’m still dazed and confused over the great fanfare of the worlds first “Well being ” Budget.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:19am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have over cooked the economy, it will now get wage expectations up which will fuel inflation more, interest rates may not be good enough to slow the economy if Robertson won’t haul in spending, inflation then will only be slowed by a deep recession
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:30am
- Allan
  
  Robertson is completley out of his intellectual depth and knowledge and is trying to downplay the disaster that his actions are and have caused. The gaul of the man to say that it has nothing to do with what he and the Government have implemented as far as monetary policy is concerned is mind boggling. Mind you what more could you expect from someone who has never had a job in the real world and wouldnt have a clue how business operates. He has no problems though because when he is booted out of office he will just walk out with a life time pension and no financial worries unlike the majority of the citizens of NZ who are feeling the pain because of his moronic monetary policies. The man along with his leader need to be treated with oprobrium and disdain for the rest of their lives. They deserve no respect whatsoever as they certainly havent contributed positively to the future of NZ. Through their policies they have destroyed what once was a thriving economy and whats more it has taken less that 4 years to do so. They both disgust me.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    If he can’t see that people will see through his bullshittery, now that people had a guts full of failure, then he is stupider than he looks
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:37am
  - Nickc2
    
    Winston Peters put em in there!
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:39am
Surely Knott

One news article downplays myocarditis. But hides a key fact . They say, “The risk of myocarditis with the booster is extremely rare…we’re talking in the highest risk group about 1 in 10,000 but for vast majority of people you’re looking at a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting myocarditis….For the vast majority of people getting the booster is safe and absolutely the right thing to do.””

So which group is 10 times more at risk than others they completely fail to state this very serious piece of health information. I would suggest this is teenage boys and the govt failed to make it clear when we were forced to take the vaccine that this was the case . ” And for the vast majority it’s safe”….. but who are the group for whom it is not safe? And the risks outweigh the benefits.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/19/doctors-noticing-rise-in-concern-over-vaccine-side-effects/
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April 20, 2022 8:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is teenagers and young men.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:22am
  - cmm
    
    Expendable cannon fodder.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:13am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Don’t have vaginas, therefore bad people
      
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      April 20, 2022 9:50am
      - Don Beckett
        
        But that won’t be so bad if they change their gender to a woman.
        Oh – hang on – then the statistics for women would get worse, and be branded as mysogany – or something.
        What a dilemma.
        
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        April 20, 2022 10:41am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Can still menstruate and get pregnant tho. Apparently.
        
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        April 20, 2022 12:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why is everything done with smoke and mirrors in NZ? Quite simple to present raw data without messing with it, or is it all part of the Control??
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The danger was warned about for months. As with the news about the MIQ information, the information was deliberately suppressed by the government. Also by Medsafe and the media. None of this was incompetence. It is malfeasance of the worst kind. Playing politics with the health of a nation. Astonishingly cruel. Many people are complicit and I seriously believe that criminal charges are warranted.
  
  The news isn’t going to get any better. Due to suppression of data and maligning of those who dared speak up, it was always going to take time for the truth to emerge. Now it is coming it will be an avalanche and the depth of the fraud will be a major shock to many people.
  
  Now evidence showing that the more you vaccinate the bigger the negative impact on your immune system. Anyone who hasn’t had a booster needs to read this and stop before it is too late.
  
  https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/just-for-the-record-the-more-you?s=r
  
  These vaccines are a dangerous experiment as was warned about. No wonder Ardern wanted everyone jabbed, she didn’t want a control group.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:07am
  - Hebe123
    
    Yup. Hilarious that people are screaming that it’s news. And what a shame they didn’t know before having the jab.
    When actually It was news perhaps 9 months ago.
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:36pm
slightlyrighty

A friend of mine is a builder with his own company.

He’s winding up his business. It’s become too hard to keep staff, to pay staff, to source the raw materials he needs.

I’d be willing to bet he’s not alone.
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April 20, 2022 8:20am
- Cinematic
  
  I regularly engage with a wide array of business owners. Whilst labour has always been the trickiest input it’s beyond a joke currently. The border needs to open completely, and fast.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ardern has demolished this country and there is a valid argument that it has been deliberate. That she is part of the “great reset” and is doing a job to smash capitalism, stop “climate change” and get populations under control via digital monitoring and surveillance. The stuff of “conspiracy theories” is coming true more rapidly every day.
  
  Ardern is a disciple of Schwab, the UN and the WHO. These are the people she is working for. She is not working for the population of NZ. She is a 5th columnist. Nobody could possibly be as inept as she is. Nobody.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Hanlon’s razor; Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:52am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      The problem with attributing the Covid-related mess to incompetence is that this is an inadequate and implausible explanation, for the simple reason of the consistent and uniform degree and type of “incompetence” demonstrated by nearly all countries. It is coordinated. One or two incompetent countries, perhaps; but it is inconceivable that this is due to mass scale incompetence.
      
      The turmoil and chaos that has resulted is deliberate, because the planned “saviour” is going to come in the form of complete governmental, “stakeholder” a (i.e. oligarchs and their NGOs) and technocratic control by those very people who have caused it.
      
      Rather than Hanlon’s razor, the better adage with regard to the question of misfeasance vs malfeasance is that “People would rather believe a comforting lie than an uncomfortable truth.” Our so-called leaders are our adversaries, not our friends.
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:19pm
  - mawm
    
    As are Justin Trudeau and Scott Morrison. I don’t think Hanlon’s razor can be applied here. The question is what hold has the WEF on their “Young Leaders”? Even bumbling Johnson and snide Macron are making attempts to destroy their countries.
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Go back to 2009. President of the International Socialist youth speech in Hungary. I knew the danger then if this person was to control NZ. I will keep repeating this until those who don’t know get the message of Socialism Control.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:49pm
- Raphael
  
  but but but our Overlords keep pointing out RECORD CONSETS PROCESSED. There can surely be no Building Crisis.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:22am
  - Paulus
    
    Consent does not mean Build !
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:41am
    - Raphael
      
      As in Soviet Russia if there is paperwork showing a thing happened, then it happened. even if only on paper and not in reality,
      
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      April 20, 2022 10:50am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Record Consents?
    
    So What. The only thing that a consent without a resulting building is good for is wiping your arse.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:05am
- Pavel
  
  3 weeks ago an 8 week wait time for h5 house piles is the best I could find, most places were saying 15 to 20 weeks. Take the boat out fishing in New Plymouth or Tauranga and be in awe of the massive ships loading up logs. I always see a log ship loading in either of these 2 ports every time I go out there; it all makes sense to me nowadays.
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:15am
  - Master Mariner
    
    That is what happens when we have people signing of FTA without putting NZ front and centre.
    I dread to see what we signed off for the UK one.
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:24am
    - Matt Long
      
      Carter Holt bought TDC sawmill in Whangarei in what was rumoured to be a hostile takeover, then closed it down last year.
      Between unnecessary lockdowns and engineered lack of processing capability it seems like material shortages are suiting someone’s agenda.
      The Key government’s slew of regulations haven’t help.
      
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      April 20, 2022 5:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jesus. Just had a look at 125 x 125 x 2.4M H5 piles.
    $50 to $78 each!
    Good thing I got my 45 Sq M deck done a while back.
    (Heavy piles for the spapool)
    
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    April 20, 2022 2:00pm
- GJM
  
  I am in the design end of the construction compalny. I have been telling colelgues to woatch overdues liek a hawk this year, especially from building companies and suppliers. I expect there will be a lot falling over, due to cost increases, project delays, lack of supply and so on. This will lead to clients falling over as a result, as wll as builders directly and indirectly. It will impact suppliers and sub contractors who don’t get paid, and the ripples will continue.
  There will be blood in the water over the ext 12 months.
  
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  April 20, 2022 3:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Govt knew that MIQ not needed last Nov.
Now, how long before they lift the mask mandate?
Control is being eroded at last. US are happy.
https://americanwirenews.com/hoots-and-cheers-crying-flight-attendant-best-moments-captured-when-end-to-masks-is-announced/?
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April 20, 2022 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Guess fake Fauci will be spewing
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:40am
  - Cinematic
    
    Had to brave a few malls in Auckland over the weekend. Widespread mask non compliance.
    
    Popped in to grab a new pair of sunglasses due to previous pair being nicked from unlocked car. Impossible to shop for sunglasses with mask in place so naturally removed it. Sale made, neither shop attendant or myself more or less likely to die of Omicron.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:14am
    - Raphael
      
      I was at a market in the BoP last Saturday. The only ones wearing masks were the Aucklanders come down for the weekend (a number of them were also commenting on it)
      
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      April 20, 2022 2:38pm
- mawm
  
  I will not be happy until the pillar of this control – International Vaccine Passports, are banned by a major country and the dominos fall.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:18am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    They need a digital ID system for their planned digital currency:
    
    https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/-/media/ReserveBank/Files/Publications/Policy-development/Banks/Future-of-money/CBDC-issues-paper.pdf
    
    https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/-/media/ReserveBank/Files/Publications/Policy-development/Banks/Future-of-money/Cash-System-Redesign-issues-paper.pdf
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Politicians will fall, because they spread the bullshit faster than Covid spreads
    
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    April 20, 2022 2:04pm
Tricati

With Ardern pushing her climate change rhetoric on her hide-away trip to Asia, one has to wonder if this is part of softening the New Zealand public for the further inflation driving budget Robertson is about to deliver. We have been told the coming budget is to include a great deal of money assigned to climate change initiatives, but at a time inflation is at all time records, and her best mate Robertson is getting it from all angles over his carefree spending to date.
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April 20, 2022 8:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You are witnessing Ardern doing her job for Klaus Schwab and his “great reset”. Get used to it. She does not act in the interests of this country. She is a globalist shill and a traitor.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:16am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    IMO Ardern is by definition treasonous, because she doesn’t care about New Zealand (the principal criterion for any PM of NZ, surely), because she is so enlightened and progressive that she doesn’t even believe in national entities. She is a citizen of the world, or, to borrow a distinction, rather than being a “somewhere” she is an “anywhere.”
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:30pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And he hates the attention, fact is they say 4 billion for climate change, well that’s the wasted money Nats talk about
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:42am
  - mawm
    
    Do the Nats come out and say that they are going to stop this climate hysteria and throwing money at an imaginary problem is not going to make it go away?
    
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    April 20, 2022 2:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Watch the timeline – the dates that Labour did stuff will not include the dates that stuff failed. This is across the board since 2017. Then 9 years of failures before that will be the scapegoat.
  Cunning as shithouse rats – but even rats leave behind ‘free shit’ for someone else to clean up
  
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  April 20, 2022 2:10pm
Benedict Yu

I was in the car yesterday evening. I had the misfortune of hearing on the radio Jacinda reporting from Singapore. Her script for the day was clear. She had been taught to say “New Zealand is a trading nation” over and over.

Which got me wondering if there was something special about New Zealand. I mean all nations sell stuff to other nations. Maybe New Zealand is really good at it?

Well a little research told me that New Zealand is doing quite poorly as a “trading nation”. In 2020, we ranked 109 out of 158 nations surveyed in terms of exports as a percentage of GDP. Which came as a shock 🤯 to me. Not what Jacinda said.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/exports/#New-Zealand

Further our export performance has been in steady decline for 25 years, and crashed in 2020 as tourism and foreign students vanished.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/new-zealand/exports/

The reality is that the economy is dominated by domestic services, with real estate services being the largest at about $35 billion.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1026483/new-zealand-real-estate-industry-gross-domestic-product/#:~:text=In%20the%20year%20ended%20March,to%20grow%20year%20on%20year.

Rather than being a “trading nation” as Jacinda squawked, we are busy selling houses to each other. I can’t see that being a sustainable plan to maintain New Zealand living standards.

I did some more digging. In good Kiwibuild tradition the government, in 2020, launched “Fit for a Better World” a strategy with ambitious goals to boost primary sector exports by $44 billion by 2030.

https://fitforabetterworld.org.nz/

I hope it is successful. However the details in this strategy are quite sketchy. I did find this.

“Kaitiakitanga (guardianship) is an active practice. Good Kaitiakitanga will involve taking action where things are out of balance and other parts of the system are being affected by resource use.

Te Mauri o te Taiao provides a framework for everyone to effectively assess the mauri of all the elements within Taiao. We will look to develop assessment and monitoring tools to assist with implementing Te Mauri o te Taiao successfully.”

https://fitforabetterworld.org.nz/taiao/

Just imagine public servants from Wellington. Turning up to a meeting of farmers and telling them how Te Mauri o te Taiao is going to make them rich? 🤯🤡
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April 20, 2022 8:23am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Kaitaiakitanga, guardianship, taking action when things are out of balance. There are more white people in NZ than Maori, that is a balance issue. Will Maori go back to the old ways to deal with this? In terms of guardianship, how did that go for the Giant Moa, Eastern Moa, Haast Eagle, Waitaha Penguin, Hodgens Waterhen, Musk Duck and a swathe of other birds? Can we safely say that guardianship has never been a priority for Maori? Until now?
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:33am
  - David Garrett
    
    Can we safely say that guardianship has never been a priority for Maori? Until now?
    
    Yes, I think we can. Someone put up the stats here the other day on loss of bird species…IIRC ten times as many lost in pre-European times as compared with post.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It was me. Not quite 10 times.
      
      53 species of birds lost since circa 1200 when Maori arrived. 15 of those since 1850. So plenty of damage before colonisation. It makes sense. If you have a bunch of tribes always at war, they cannot cooperate to conserve species. The incentive is to grab as much as you can. With the right management, Moa and the Haast Eagle would be with us today.
      
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      April 20, 2022 9:44am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Very funny Benedict you expected ecology concerns in the 14th Century? That’s how pathetic the old white guys are, but you at least should look in your own backyard, where even today we see human organ harvesting.
        
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        April 20, 2022 10:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The transformation of our original ecosystems was undertaken on an unprecedented time scale (basically 150 years… between 1350-1500) by a very small number of people.
        
        Elsewhere, (Europe, Americas, Africa, Australia) humans took thousands of years to exterminate their megafauna.
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms6436
        
        @Brian McD
        
        My ancestors had been living and farming/fishing on their little rock for about 4800 years before the 14th C arrived.
        
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        April 20, 2022 10:47am
      - Swifty
        
        Another miss from you Brian.
        
        “Very funny Benedict you expected ecology concerns in the 14th Century?”
        
        That’s not what Benedict was getting at. He was making the point that it is a lie to paint pre-contact Maori as this ecological paragon or virtue, or possessing today some magical concern for or ability to manage the environment better than anyone else.
        
        It’s horseshit, and NZers should see through it.
        
        It’s an assertion made for political purposes not a statement of fact.
        
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        April 20, 2022 10:51am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        @Brian McDonald: Hate to break it to you Brian, but Maori have claimed that they indeed conserved resources and protected the fauna and flora of NZ. That was exactly my point, they didn’t, and still don’t (unless they get paid to).
        
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        April 20, 2022 11:17am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I agree with the first sentence, but not the question in the second (Until now?).
      
      Te Urewera and especially the Waikaremoana Great Walk are classic examples where Maori have demonstrated a total lack of guardianship and preservation of what was an area of outstanding natural beauty. It’s now an embarrassing sh*thole – we were stupid enough to give them the money to look after it and it should be no surprise to anyone that they took the money and shat all over their own nest.
      
      Guardians? They’re having a laugh.
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:17pm
  - Paulus
    
    I understand that there are more people from SE Asia than Maori, and soon those of Indian decent will outnumber Maori.
    These are to be updated from the 2018 Census debacle next year and there will be some interesting figures if the Stats Dept can get it right this time, without manipulation which they did last time.
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:45am
  - leoj
    
    Why not simply write: “guardianship”?
    If you have to translate, what is the point?
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:15am
- Swifty
  
  Mumbo jumbo, and makes a mockery of the millions of New Zealanders who have been, in the main, wonderful custodians of their farms and orchards over the last 200 years and all the while creating the wealth that pays for the legions of shiny-bums sitting in Wellington ordering us about and telling all us what to do.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:45am
- pdm
  
  BY – her advisers and speech writers have finally learned how thick she is and now work on the KISS principle with her speeches – keep it simple stupid.
  
  On this trip the mantra is:
  “New Zealand is a trading nation”
  “New Zealand is open for Business”
  
  No mention of that mythical place Aotearoa because she would forget her lines and what country she is from.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ahh tee rower only exists in New Zealand, the World has no clue what it is
    
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    April 20, 2022 8:57am
  - mogg
    
    NZ is a trading nation completely dependent on China. Ardern and Mahuta are China’s useful idiots .
    As in “differences in NZ values and Chinese values are hard to reconcile”. What she is really talking about is slave labour and Chinese genocide of Uyghur people. That makes her China’s useful idiot.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:39am
- Yvette
  
  Benedict, it is similar to –
  
  The move towards a more Maori foreign policy
   There are signs that Nanaia Mahuta’s push for greater consideration of a Māori worldview in foreign affairs is making progress
  
  … In her first major foreign policy speech, to the diplomatic corps at the Waitangi Day commemorations in 2021, Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta put tirohanga Māori (the Māori worldview) at the forefront of her approach to the role, citing “values such as manaaki – kindness or the reciprocity of goodwill; whanaunga – our connectedness or shared sense of humanity; mahi tahi and kotahitanga – collective benefits and shared aspiration; and kaitiaki – protectors and stewards of our intergenerational wellbeing”.
  
  “Each of these values when expressed in a relationship gives a sense that everything is connected and purposeful. What the world needs now is a commitment towards empathy, sustainability, and intergenerational solutions for wellbeing…”
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-move-towards-a-more-maori-foreign-policy
  
  When you remove the mystery Maori words, their translation to simple common, perhaps ‘sensible’ English values would still be meaningless to someone like Putin, so engaged in his mentally unstable fucking bloody heinous invasion of Ukraine.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:47am
  - Caine9
    
    But I thought traditional Maori values were about tribalism and self-interest.
    The inability to agree to anything because they’re not personally getting enough out of the deal is what has always held Maori back. Ngapuhi’s lack of Treaty settlement progress is simply down to the fact that they couldn’t even agree on who should represent them in the negotiations!
    Can you imagine the chaos if such ‘values’ were brought to bear? A few individuals would make loads as ‘consultants’ and nothing would get done.
    Then again, I guess that is the trademark of this government. Perhaps it explains a lot….
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:50am
  - Gravelroad
    
    What I’d like to know is when some of this “kindness, empathy and humanity” is going to be directed to actively addressing family violence and neglect/assault of children
    What have our newly minted Maori world leaders have to say about this?
    Will more money from St Jacinda fix it?
    If not, what will?
    Time to walk the talk at home before tackling the world with “intergenerational solutions for wellbeing:”
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:52am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Let’s hope Sir Mark Solomon can work miracles at Oranga Tamariki
      
      At least he admits where much of the problem lies:
      
      The issue had split the community into victims’ supporters and fighters for the alleged perpetrators, he said.
      
      “But the third faction and the worst faction and the most dangerous faction is the group that wants it buried. They don’t want to talk about it, they want it hidden.”
      
      Māori women made up 7 per cent of the population, but 50 per cent of all domestic abuse victims.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/96874311/former-ngi-tahu-chief-mark-solomon-opens-up-about-sexual-abuse-in-his-iwi
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:07am
      - Paulus
        
        Oranga Tamariki is still all about Tribalism and doubt if Solomon can do anything about that as it is endemic in the people running it.
        
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        April 20, 2022 1:53pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Good luck, Sir Mark! You have my support.
        
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        April 20, 2022 7:36pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “Maori foreign policy” as practised by Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama on the Moriori.
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:27pm
- chukar
  
  BY,
  Good luck getting farmers to turn up to any meetings where the language is incomprehensible for most!
  And while you mention farmers , please don’t forget the decimation of manufacturing that has also contributed to the ongoing NZ decline in productivity.
  On the other side of the ledger the huge expansion in regulation has led to a similar growth in bureaucracy , much of which is a direct cost to all productivity.
  A perfect storm largely created by poor governance!
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:57am
- Matt Long
  
  “Just imagine public servants from Wellington. Turning up to a meeting of farmers and telling them how Te Mauri o te Taiao is going to make them rich?”
  Some public servants have a lot of hide or a complete lack of empathy.
  The morons of the Interim Climate Change Commission were fond of telling farmer meetings the best way to save the planet is stop eating meat.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:00am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Matt Long-
    I participate in rural based meetings of various kinds.
    For the past couple of years or so, there is always someone turning up who says they are our representative from the government – usually MBIE.
    They sit through the meetings (which often are sparsely attended) look at their phones and take a few notes. They are pleasant enough young people but I still havn’t found out what is their purpose for being there.
    They’ve shifted to the province, go to a lot of meetings, field days etc and presumably report something back to someone at MBIE – but what and for what we have no idea. They contribute nothing to the discussions and if a matter of policy is brought up which may need some clarification, it is no use asking them because if the answer is not on their phone they don’t know.
    Just keeping a paid and controlling eye on the uppity peasants perhaps for our masters in Wellington?
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:24am
  - Ehlana
    
    I’ve heard of this not eating meat thing before. And every time it makes me wonder, because back when a woman was not a man, it was understood that humans in general and menstruating women in particular needed a sufficient intake of iron-rich foods. The best sources: red meats, fish, poultry and seafoods like mussels and oysters.
    
    So when we do away with non-plant sources of iron, what does that do to our health?
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:46am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      You never find a cave painting of a salad though, do you?
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:20pm
    - Hebe123
      
      I think not eating meat is fine. Most of my family have been veg or vegan for decades. My 20 yr old nieces have never eaten meat. And who in the family have iron deficiency anemia? – two of the four meat eaters.
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:44pm
      - Batman
        
        They should watch more Popeye cartoons perhaps?
        
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        April 20, 2022 12:48pm
- kowtow
  
  “Trading nation” is just another one of those cliches that the Establishment Elites trot out when suits .
  
  Like No 8 wire , kiwi ingenuity , relaxed and tolerant etc
  
  Both Labour and the Gnats turned NZ into a sugar hit economy with mass immigration , principally from Asia fuelling a housing boom , a student rort sector , and over reliance on one or two sectors such as dairy into China and tourism .
  
  While plenty of Establishment hot air went on about “tech and innovation” very little in practical terms and even less to productivity .
  
  This regime has made the situation worse by closing down a very economically productive well paying sector , oil and gas , and while we could be massively innovative around coal and earn foreign exchange that too has been smashed.
  
  Instead the mantra is carbon zero , whatever that is.
  
  Hopeless.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:09am
- RockyJ
  
  Gee, we have to boost exports by $44billion by 2030 while reduce methane emissions (read dairy cows) by 10% by 2030.
  Any ideas from these brainiacs how we are going to do both?
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:25am
- Jack5
  
  Ardern’s claim New Zealand is a trading nation.
  
  So, for political purposes (Green glory), Ardern axes development of gas and oil resources that would have helped New Zealand in the emerging heavy inflation and devastation of tourism, the country’s main foreign currency earner.
  
  So NZ wipes $200 million a year of dairy exports to Russia for political reasons while competing Nestle and French dairy products stay on Russian supermarket shelves.
  
  So, the education system concentrates on teaching a relatively tiny indigenous language instead of trading languages such as Chinese, Hindi, Japanese, and Spanish.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Key use to say that when talking trade, she mirrors his approach on many things as part of her word salad
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:45am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Not indigenous….. Wannabe indigenous ……. All came and colonised like the rest of us.
    
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    April 21, 2022 6:47am
- graham
  
  “Te Mauri o te Taiao provides a framework for everyone to effectively assess the mauri of all the elements within Taiao. We will look to develop assessment and monitoring tools to assist with implementing Te Mauri o te Taiao successfully.”
  
  Google tells me that “mauri” means life force or essence. According to Te Ara these concepts seem to have a deeply “spiritual” element to them:
  
  Mauri
  
  Mauri is an energy which binds and animates all things in the physical world. Without mauri, mana cannot flow into a person or object.
  
  The flow of mana
  
  The idea that mana can flow into the world through tapu and mauri underpinned most of Māori daily life. For example, sacred stones possessing mauri were placed in fishing nets, where they were able to attract fish. The stones were placed in bird snares for the same purpose. When fish arrived in the nets or birds in the snares, Māori saw something more than just the creatures before them – they saw energy within these physical forms. The harvest of fish was the arrival of Tangaroa, god of the sea, which meant the arrival of mana.
  
  Mauri stones were also used to prepare people who would receive mana. In the traditional whare wānanga (school of learning), small pebbles (whatu) were used in a student’s initiation ceremony. It was believed that when the student swallowed the pebbles, the mauri in them was taken into the stomach, establishing the conditions whereby mana in the form of knowledge and learning could come into the person. This is the theory behind Māori meditation practices, known as nohopuku (to dwell inwardly, in the stomach).
  
  You have to wonder, do the people that write this stuff and promise solemnly to abide by it, actually believe in it?
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:13am
  - Ehlana
    
    That depends. Has demand for small, swallowable stones gone up lately?
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:12pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Mock on, mock on, but even as I write the DSIR is feverishly working with the Royal Society te Aparangi to develop the world’s first Mauriometer which will boost export growth by showing Aotearoa’s primary products have 33% more mauri than competing products from overseas.
    
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    April 20, 2022 5:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The DSIR became defunct in 1992.
      
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      April 20, 2022 7:08pm
Scott

Under Sleepy Joe Biden the US southern border is being invaded by thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants. In March border authorities encountered 220,000 illegal immigrants trying to cross the border. They are now looking at 18,000 illegal immigrants a day.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-immigration-standard-title-42-democrats-biden

Joe Biden inherited a system where the border was largely under control and illegal immigration was way down. He immediately uprooted the rules of the previous regime, reflecting his leftist supporters antipathy to all things Trump.
It seems like millions of illegal immigrants have come over the border and when apprehended are being released into the United States, with the idea that they will show up at a court hearing in the future, which they never do.

Biden seems to have invited people to come to the United States illegally. Why has he done this? There appears to be a political calculation that if you flood Texas and Arizona with illegal immigrants, give them voting rights, then eventually you will turn both states blue. That appears to be the aim of the Biden regime.

One can only hope that when the Republicans retake Congress at the next election that will immediately move to impeach Joe Biden for wilfully failing to secure the southern border and failing to uphold the immigration laws of the United States of America.
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April 20, 2022 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Gov Abbott has now sent a 7th busload to DC.
  Meanwhile DeSantis has said to illegals ‘don’t come to Florida, we will not make it easy for you’
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:01am
  - mawm
    
    It would be easier to bus them back to Mexico – and then maybe the Mexican government might stop further hoards transiting their country.
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:32am
    - Nickc2
      
      There would be no need for any of this stuff if the Democrats hadn’t acted illegally to gain power during their last election and the American Justice System wasn’t complicant and corrupt.
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nope, throw them at Washington DC. Make it so DC sees the problem right in their faces.
      I am sure that the Dems will take care of them, so they get the votes. Not so sure about the drugs and shitting in the streets (California style)
      Mexico do not want them. Shitloads are not from South America – they are infiltrators from Islamic Countries
      
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      April 20, 2022 2:36pm
- kowtow
  
  More evidence that he’s being closely watched and literally directed by his staff .
  
  A press officer dressed as the Easter Bunny this time .
  
  Real scary that this man has control of nukes .
  
  Where’s the Media pardy that obsessed about all things Orange Man , literally.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:17am
  - mawm
    
    I doubt that he has any control over anything. The question should be “who has control over the nukes”?
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The war crazy Generals in the Pentagon. The Pentagon does not care who Governs USA, they are now under the Dems to do as they wish.
      Milley, Mad Dog Mattis, do not care about civilians.
      Many more of course
      
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      April 20, 2022 2:41pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Sean Spicer, a press officer, dressed in the Easter Bunny costume for Easter under George W Bush. There’s photos at https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/sean-spicer-easter-bunny/index.html
    
    It seems it’s just a weird part of the gig – the Press guy gets to dress up as the Easter Bunny. I guess someone’s got to do it.
    
    But sure, we’re obsessed with all things Orange Man, but you’re perfectly balanced in your views of Joe Biden …
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If red states round up all illegals and ship them to blue states understanding will eventually dawn on those blue states that there are negative consequences in trying to swing electoral balance through unfettered 3rd world immigration.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:57am
- Brian McDonald
  
  At least he’s not bending over for Putin Scott like dear Donald did.
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:30am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Evidence? Just another smear ? You really are a nasty prick, aren’t you.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:55am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I assume that question was rhetorical, Don.
      
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      April 20, 2022 12:22pm
I remember when

‘Probably good we’re not open:’ Gower slams Auckland CBD as ‘Hellhole of South Pacific’:Msn.com:
Ryan Bridge admits that his partner and him don’t walk around in Auckland after dark.
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April 20, 2022 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  What do the Media Luvvies want .
  
  It is their “progressivism” that has led to hell holism.
  
  Then when we get it , they complain.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:15am
In Vino Veritas

“Finance Minister Grant Robertson doesn’t think Kiwis blame him for inflation and instead believes New Zealanders understand that this is a “global phenomenon””.
From Newshub. Well Grant, I have some news for you. There are many who have a better grasp of the causes of inflation than you do. If you had any grasp whatsoever, you would know that printing money with no concurrent and matching increase in production causes inflation. Saying that NZ’rs understand it is a “global phenomenon” is just the old baby whine “everyone else was doing it” shit. The sooner this bunch of clowns (and the only real surprise is Robertson doesn’t wear a red fucking nose everywhere) is crushed in an election, the better. Let’s hope our kids have long arsed memories of having morons running the country.
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April 20, 2022 8:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Explain it after the Election Robertson. The result will prove you wrong. You are getting the DCM.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:03am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Thank you Winston.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:57am
- Cinematic
  
  Robertson has the economic literacy of a candy bar.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Robertson: “I refute that allega – ooooh, a candy bar!”
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:24pm
- Philview
  
  Last time I looked at the Australian inflation it was on 3.5%. ScoMo should be regarded as a miracle worker if his Government can operate in a different paradigm to the rest of the world.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:14am
  - virtualmark
    
    Australia’s economy is different to most other countries, on account of all the mineral/resource revenue.
    
    If we were blessed with endless amounts of iron ore that you can easily dig out of the ground and rail to a ship then we too would have a more robust economy.
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:47pm
- mogg
  
  The perfect recipe for rampant inflation; pay people to stay at home and do nothing, while printing money and pumping up the economy with vast amounts of ‘Covid relief’ cash.
  Robbo tells us that inflation is coming from overseas. Well non tradeable inflation (domestic) is at 5.4% Res Bank figure, and just about all of that is home grown.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:56am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And bumping up minimum wages, holidays, taxes and other compliance costs during a period of negative growth (hidden by borrowing that is added to GDP figures).
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:31pm
Tomtoddy

“Today, more than 25 years later,” anthropology scientist Weiss laments, “we’ve reached a point at which political ideology seems to be nearly decimating scientific research: within a few years, whole fields of study may be off limits. I hope that this is not the case for biological anthropology.”

She explained that social justice activists have intruded in her field of biological anthropology and are insisting that scientific researchers work towards political goals such as decolonization by “writing back” against “colonial mentalities.” As an example, Weiss criticized one paper recently published in a peer-reviewed journal, which argued for changing taxonomic names honoring discoverers. Why? Generally, those discoverers were white men. Continued use of the names supposedly perpetuates “colonialism” and “white supremacy.”
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April 20, 2022 8:28am
- Taieri
  
  I hope that this is not the case for biological anthropology.”
  ————
  
  But it is.
  
  https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:54am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The DP still doesn’t get it.

‘It’s time to stop thinking that the voices of a loud – and increasingly angry – likely minority should dictate the future transport and urban planning decisions of what should be a vibrant, forward-looking city’

The quote describes objectors to bikeroads – ha!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/128396192/the-dominion-post-says-wellington-needs-to-change-its-thinking-on-cycleways
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April 20, 2022 8:29am
- Cinematic
  
  “Likely minority” I ask how likely is it that the objectors are a minority? Likely to be pretty unlikely I’d say.
  
  Wellington is hills and valleys, cold, reasonably wet and often very windy. Not a cyclists nirvana.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:22am
The Boss

Paddy Gower ruined the career of a medical doctor. How low can they go?

https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/04/19/the-medias-wall-of-silence-until-now/?utm_source=envelope&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=SocialSnap
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April 20, 2022 8:33am
I remember when

A lot of things lately are happening ‘across the motu.’
Where I wondered is ‘the motu.’
Quick facts state:
It is a rural community in the Gisborne District located north of Matawai and State Highway 2.
The community is centred around the Motu River and Motu Falls.
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April 20, 2022 8:40am
Ra Henare

You have to laugh when Stuff publish this opinion piece.
So much for fact checking and mis information

This Prat is so out of touch with current science is laughable

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300568808/your-childs-covid-vaccination-remains-vital-for-all-the-other-kids
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April 20, 2022 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is a senior propagandist at Massey
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes I read it – it is just laughable. This guy still thinks that the vaccine stops kids getting COVID and we need to vaccinate all the kids to protect granny.
  
  And this person teaches at a University.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:47am
  - Frank the tank
    
    And this person preaches at a University.
    
    There fixed it for you. Health Sociologist……. Pffft.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:51am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Apparently, Elon Musk owns no houses; instead he stays with friends.

The comments are priceless.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/apr/19/serial-houseguests-would-you-let-elon-musk-stay-in-your-spare-room
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April 20, 2022 8:47am
- MCōs
  
  Sounds like he’s cut from the same cloth as Jimmy Savile. He never had a permanent home.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Freedom” he says. There are many rich that do not own a house. Lots just live aboard Cruise ships, or in hotel apartments.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    A super wealthy guy I know owns a penthouse apartment worth 10’s of millions, but lives in a suite in the hotel next door where there are staff available to do anything he needs 24hours a day.
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:37pm
ecco

Robertson is going to need to swap out some of the paid, resident epidemiologists for some paid economists who are going to tow his party line. No one’s believing Robertson that the cause of inflation is 100% imported and nothing to do with his government’s irresponsible spending.

All the main economists are saying that inflation is only partially imported, in direct contradiction to Robertson. One economist, whom I rate highly, was on the AM show and stated NZ’s inflation is driven 50% by government fiscal policy and local factors.

We know Ardern and Robertson have been spraying money around by stealth in the name of the covid response around all their key voter bases. Think $40/hour payments to the unskilled contact tracers, carpark attendants and other people paid for via Ashley’s MOH covid budget. These are all part of the tax payer funded election bribes targeted largely at students and were one of the reasons employers found it nearly impossible to get workers and are a key driver of wage inflation in NZ.

The inflated covid response hourly rates are just one example of many of the questionable practices of Ardern’s government (along with the bribing of the mainstream media through the ‘covid media relief fund’).

Let’s see if Robertson has the balls to put NZ further into debt by $6b in the upcoming budget just so he can buy some more votes. He and Ardern really don’t care about NZ and just want to hold on to power at all costs.
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April 20, 2022 8:51am
- ecco
  
  Of course Ardern voters are all too ignorant to put two and two together and realise that it’s their party’s irresponsible fiscal spending that’s putting up their rent and food costs. They’ll believe the Labour koolaid that it’s all from overseas wars, or greedy landlords and greedy retailers. Then those voters will be expecting more government handouts to combat higher living expenses and so the cycle goes on.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:03am
- Ruahine
  
  Whilst getting the paid Media to blame the rise of inflation on the evil supermarkets one thing seems to have been swept under the carpet and that is the cost of all the dopey ‘green’ compliance costs that have been imposed willy nilly on so many aspects of every day life and especially on businesses which produce a product.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:14am
  - Swifty
    
    I totally agree Ruahine.
    
    Since 2017 Labour has heaped and heaped and heaped more burden, cost and complexity on NZ businesses and, to compound the hurt, don’t even have the basic integrity to concede that this has an upward effect on the prices NZ families pay for their goods and services.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:43am
    - artemisia
      
      The amount of compliance, cost and risk laid on rental property owners since September 2017 has quite surprisingly (not) had a flow on effect to rents. Not to worry, that only affects a third of the country’s households and in any case they have the chance to win the state house lottery alongside nearly 27,000 other households.
      
      The national median rent has experienced the largest annual increase in seven months, climbing 8.5 per cent or $45 to a record-breaking $575 per week, according to Trade Me’s latest February Rental Price Index.
      
      http://www.trademe.co.nz/c/property/news/rents-experience-largest-annual-increase-since-july
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:27am
Yvette

“Co-governance” – by and for whom?
In 1984, at a time when the use of Māori phrases was uncommon in New Zealand, Dame Rangimārie Naida Glavish, who was then an Auckland telephone operator, was instructed to stop using kia ora when greeting callers after the post office had received a complaint. She refused to do so and was consequently demoted, with the whole affair attracting much public interest. She was later given back her original job. – Wikipedia

Now, you might loose an operator position for not using kia ora when greeting callers.
• But who has driven any change – Maori themselves, or “academics”, or sympathetic non-Maori?
• And who drives any trend towards “co-governance”?

There are several levels in New Zealand society
Maori elite, and Maori who are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to …disturbing statistics … (Labour’s words, Kelvin Davis) – and now unvaccinated and boosted (Labour’s media implications – months of television ad campaigns and news items in all media)

While – It is also worth noting there are a lot more deprived Pakeha children than Māori children, with similar problems in accessing health care. In fact, it was calculated in 2020 that there are more than twice as many Pakeha children living in poverty (114,300) compared to Māori (61,000).
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/can-the-maori-health-authority-really-boost-maori-life-expectancy

Does “co-governance” cater for race, culture (religion, “world view”), or need? –
all, some or none?
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April 20, 2022 8:54am
Maggie Pie

So, I see they’ve let Kaoss’s dad out of prison to be with his whanau.
Unbelievable to read the hundreds of Facebook posts from the rest of life’s-losers, only all to willing to put the boot into the police.

And it even sounds like Assistant Commissioner Sandy Venables is joining the ‘pile-on’ as well……”It is a very difficult and tragic time for the whanau of Kaoss.
Mister Price’s whanau, and the community, rightly expect a thorough and objective understanding of events, and police are working tirelessly to achieve that”

Like my partner said earlier…if it was up to him, he’d be working on awarding ‘Meritorious Service Medals’ to the cops involved.
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April 20, 2022 8:59am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  On this subject, why are they hiding the details of the shooting?
  Is this our new secret police in action?
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Be good to think it was Cap.
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:28am
  - virtualmark
    
    There’ll no doubt be a PCA investigation, and concerns about possible legal action by the family, so I expect they would not release any details until that’s completed.
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:49pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Steven Wallace all over again.
  
  My cop mates hinted the true story involves the shooting at Taupo and the fact that the checkpoint cop cars had guns in them in the first place.
  
  And doesn’t Sandy Venables inspire confidence…..not.
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:13am
fernglas

The stream of people leaving has become a torrent; about 8-900 a day this last month. Over a year, about the population of Dunedin. “Brain gain”? “Cashed up expats” coming home? Ha fucking ha. Jacinda, your voters are fleeing your country.
https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-arrivals-departures/
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April 20, 2022 9:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  Unfortunately they aren’t her voters as they aren’t:
  1). Government employees
  2). Beneficiaries
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And the thing is Frankie… these people need to remember, nothing in this country if free.
    If you are getting something without paying for it, thank a taxpayer!
    
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    April 20, 2022 10:34am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Feb 8000 depearted, March 6000 arrived, April 14000 departed in first 3 weeks.
  
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  April 20, 2022 1:42pm
Ruahine

Whilst getting the paid Media to blame the rise of inflation on the evil supermarkets one thing seems to have been swept under the carpet and that is the cost of all the dopey ‘green’ compliance costs that have been imposed willy nilly on so many aspects of every day life and especially on businesses which produce a product.
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April 20, 2022 9:15am
Biscuit

Am in a quandary here…

Back in October, the first Premiership meeting between Liverpool (insert cheers here) and (boo! hiss!) Manchester United ended:

Manchester United 0 Liverpool 5

Today’s just-completed return match, at Fortress Anfield, ended:

Liverpool 4 Manchester United 0

Sniff, eh?

I expected … more.
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April 20, 2022 9:18am
- Cinematic
  
  The trend is Man U’s friend!
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:25am
- plc
  
  Thiago is a joy to watch
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:51am
Maggie Pie

Talk of the devil 🙁

Remember I posted here on Sunday about the type of people they employ these days as ‘Ride-Attendants’ at the Easter Show?

Case in point….

https://mol.im/a/10729669
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April 20, 2022 9:23am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s the poor people’s amusement park in between Sea World and Universal Studios Mags. I commented to the wife and kids that it looked dodge, dodge, dodgy when we drove by on the way to Sea World.
  
  Reminded me of a larger version of Footrot Flats….
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:23am
Swifty

I’ve been thinking that a la ‘nine years of neglect’ we’re going to need a similar saying for Labour’s abysmal performance over two terms and as we run into the election next year.

It’ll need to be ‘six years of…..’

Any suggestions please?
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April 20, 2022 9:24am
- graham
  
  Six years of sloths?
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:16am
- Libertarians are right
  
  actively destroying our democracy
  
  No need for alliteration. The truth is enough.
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:34am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Six years of failures.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:16am
- rangitoto
  
  Six years of miserable failure.
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:14pm
- Hebe123
  
  Lies
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Six years of stagnation.
  Six years of stuffups.
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:52pm
- Ehlana
  
  Six years of stupid?
  
  Ono! This government has got to go!
  
  (Ono – Maori for six)
  
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  April 20, 2022 1:29pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Six squandered years, Six substandard years, two talentless terms, two terrible terms
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m gonna say it.
  
  Six years of shit.
  
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  April 20, 2022 7:50pm
  - jgw739
    
    Six years of suffering (under shitty socialist spending splurges)
    
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    April 20, 2022 9:31pm
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Six years of Deflect.
  
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  April 20, 2022 9:18pm
Paulus

Looks as though an interesting point is arising in the Aussie Election and that is the one called Immigration and Refugees.
Will Elbow open the borders again, as Labour have done before, to get more cheap labour members for the unions ?
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April 20, 2022 9:50am
Cassandra

The walking back has started: Luxon – we’ll do away with the Maori Health Authority; Reti – we’ll look at it, it might be too far advanced. Methink paleface speak with forked tongue.
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April 20, 2022 9:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Wait till you hear Luxon say it
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:52am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘might be too far advanced’- and that’s how Labour manages to keep their rubbish structures in place.
  Wake up Dr Reti
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:19pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  In response to my comments about John Key on WFF in 2002 vs. National in government in 2008…
  
  Going more to the right will not get National back into office.
  
  Key and English both understood which parts of the Clark government intiatives were cemented in, and which weren’t. And by reassuring the public on the things the had become part of the fabric, were able to win three elections, and be the largest party on the fourth.
  – Wayne Mapp
  
  From the ongoing series, Mapping the National Party.
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:49pm
- Niz
  
  “too far advanced”.
  What is he saying? That we’d get an even worse outcome by treating people equally? Bollix.
  What I hear when he says “too far advanced” is that he doesn’t actually mind it too much.
  Oh, wasn’t this the reason given for not getting rid of WFF?
  
  How hard would it be to get something written in stone that confirms to us all that NZ is a country where we all get an equal vote, and have equal access to public services, and _no_ government of the day may decide otherwise?
  
  What we have right now is a disgrace. We have a government intent on wrecking democracy, and an ‘opposition’ not promising to restore it if they get voted into power.
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:55pm
Jack5

An interesting article, by John Gascoigne, behind the paywall at the Herald today. He’s looking at NZ’s economic decline since World War 2. Who is John Gascoigne? The article says he’s from Cambridge, and you have to assume that means Cambridge near Hamilton, and not the British university centre.

A sample of Gascoigne’s article:

Economic development is basically a contest or race between economic growth and population growth; the benefits accruing from economic growth only percolate down to a nation’s population when its rate of economic growth exceeds population growth over a considerable period of time.

Gascoigne writes: “New Zealand’s post-war economic performance is a story of economic decline unparalleled in the developed world.”

Has it done worse than Argentina, or Zimbabwe?
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April 20, 2022 10:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think you are a fan of Croaking Cassandra, Jack. He has pointed out many times NZ’s sustained relative economic decline since the 1960s. I think it has been pretty steady despite which flavour of government has been temporarily in charge of rearranging the deck chairs, too.
  OECD membership is sometimes taken as a mark of ‘developed’ nation status. Neither Argentina nor Zimbabwe have ever been members. No African countries are members and only 3 or 4 Latin American countries are.
  
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  April 20, 2022 10:56am
- Nickc2
  
  If what Reti said is true, it’s outrageous! Nothing can be too far advanced that it can’t be rescinded if it’s going to divide a Nation based on Race.
  Dr. Reti, FFS, get some balls or go and bat for the Labour team.
  
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  April 20, 2022 1:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If teleprompters could talk. (Satire)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUCaIYJWQnA
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April 20, 2022 10:22am
Maggie Pie

24 again here today.
This weather is ridiculous!
Warm, cold, warm, cold….

My nipples are exhausted!
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April 20, 2022 10:26am
- MCōs
  
  Noted
  
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  April 20, 2022 4:18pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Stop wearing white wet tea shirts. 😆
  
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  April 20, 2022 5:17pm
Swifty

Poverty my arse:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300566336/auckland-young-people-out-of-control-as-ramraids-ramp-up-across-city

It’s all down to a fundamental lack of respect for the people around you, a feral dog-eat-dog mentality coupled with an enormous sense of entitlement to what others have worked for.

If poverty is the cause, why were there such low crime rates in NZ during the Great Depression?

Why, when NZ was awash with firearms both pre and post-war, was there hardly any gun crime to speak of?

The primary cause of crime is not poverty, far from it, the primary cause is the decision by an individual to commit it.

We haven’t got a chance in hell of turning things around in NZ while we seem unable to correctly diagnose, or it seems even have honest conversations about, the root causes of things.
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April 20, 2022 10:36am
- Gravelroad
  
  They had a big go on this a week or two back on newstalkzb.
  Caller after caller (many of them small business owners) said the law breaking by, in particular emboldened and uncaring young gang prospects) is out of control.
  Many of the callers who had been directly affected said lack of police action was not the main problem.
  Police were doing their best but were being let down by judgements from the courts based on current Labour Party government “go easy on them” policy.
  The people calling were generally very upset and I found it a sobering listen.
  It seems we have an out of control cohort of young criminals and gangsters being supported in their activities by this government.
  Time for the Labour Party to face up to the damage being caused to society – in their name.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It’s just a mask.
It’s just six feet.
It’s just two weeks.
It’s just non-essential businesses.
It’s just non-essential workers.
It’s just a bar.
It’s just a restaurant.
It’s just to keep from overwhelming the hospitals.
It’s just until the cases go down.
It’s just to flatten the curve.
It’s just a few inmates.
It’s just to keep others from being scared.
It’s just for a few more weeks.
It’s just church. You could still pray.
It’s just prayer.
It’s just until we get a vaccine.
It’s just a bracelet.
It’s just an app.
It’s just for tracing.
It’s just to let people know you’re safe to be around.
It’s just to let others know who you’ve been in contact with.
It’s just a few more months.
It’s just some more inmates.
It’s just a video.
It’s just a post.
It’s just an email account.
It’s just for protecting other from hate speech.
It’s just for protecting others from hurt feelings.
It’s just a large gathering but for protests.
It’s just a few violent protests.
It’s just a little micro chip.
It’s just a blood test.
It’s just a test.
It’s just a scan.
It’s just for medical information.
It’s just to store a vaccination certificate.
It’s just like a credit card.
It’s just a few places that don’t take cash.
It’s just so you can travel.
It’s just so you can get your driver’s license.
It’s just so you can vote.
It’s just mail-in voting.
It’s just a few more years.
It’s just a building.
It’s just a song.
It’s just a lyric.
It’s just an anthem.
It’s just a few words.
It’s just a piece of paper.
It’s just a book.
It’s just a movie.
It’s just a TV show.
It’s just a cartoon character.
It’s just a dog at a protest.
It’s just your guns.
It’s just the police.
It’s just the military
It’s just your freedoms….gone forever.
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April 20, 2022 10:38am
Truman lodge

Great to see house prices falling due to ramped up supply. Good news is no recession or decrease in currency supply will occur as the drop is due to supply. Lucky during covid we ramped up supply causing prices to fall. Those sprouting nonsense about access to credit or banks blowing up assets are becoming tiresome. Its all about supply nothing else.
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April 20, 2022 10:41am
- Matt Long
  
  Housing supply, monetary supply, and people supply.
  More houses, less money available at a higher cost and the those who can flee are leaving for a less repressive regime.
  
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  April 20, 2022 8:25pm
Libertarians are right

I see the Washington Post have actively doxxed (and door stepped the relatives of) Libs of TikTok, a previously anonymous Twitter user who posted full videos of insane lefties from TikTok on Twitter. They have tried to destroy this woman’s life for throwing light on just how insane some of these people (often teachers of young children) are – using only their own words.

The woman who did this doxxing, in true Activist fashion did an interview a couple weeks ago breaking down in tears over her PTSD over mean tweets she’d received.
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April 20, 2022 10:42am
- Batman
  
  This is a fairly deceptive take on that. Door knocking to confirm facts is a key part of real journalism, one that is sadly lacking in these days of social media journalism! It’s called shoe lathering or whatever the term is.
  
  Libs of Tiktok acts as a content clearinghouse for clips and videos posted by private individuals, and weaponises those for conservative influencers and news outlets to use as culture war fuel.
  
  Lorenz’s beat is exactly that kind of social media and internet phenomenon. The fact that the the person behind it is attempting to hide their identity while subjecting others to public harassment is a hilarious level of hypocrisy and shows that she’s either a giant snowflake or knows she is doing something that hurts people.
  
  There’s also the small issue that she lodged an application for ‘Libs of Tiktok LLC’ under her name, which is a public record found by the Post. She sought to formalise and commercialise her activities online by doing so.
  
  Funnily enough, I’ve heard Lorenz talk about those “mean tweets”. She specifically said that she gets mean tweets telling her to die from “angry Jake Paul-ers” every day and doesn’t “give a fuck” about that. It was the specific and highly targeted death threats against her and her family by Greenwald, Fox, and MAGA clan followers that had an impact on her life.
  
  So who are the nasty pieces of work here? Could it be the people making death threats and trying to cancel everyone else for having an opinion? The fascist anti-woke brigade.
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:37pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    People on the Left keep saying rubbish like “culture wars”, “CRT doesn’t exist”, “Grooming is just a slogan” etc. Libs of TikTok exposes these lies with evidence that the Left themselves post online. They hate her because she exposes the lie in a way they can’t really ignore.
    
    Note that Lorenz was quoted as saying she was exposing the person behind Libs of TikTok. That’s not journalism – that’s a personal attack.
    
    The “shoe leather reporting” was not just her trying to ensure she had the correct person, she was looking for any and all muck she could throw at the woman (so not confirming facts at all). Nice read of the Leftwing defense articles about her though.
    
    If she was affected so badly from death threats and doxxing etc, why would she do that willingly to another person?
    
    If you have IP, regardless of what you do with it, you actually need to protect it. That means registered websites, trade marks, company names, the lot. Even if she was monetising it, your point is irrelevant. She, the person being outed, isn’t the product being sold. As you yourself stated, the product being sold is a clearinghouse of insane takes from the Libs of TikTok.
    
    I have seen a few Libs of TikTok clips and I’ll tell you now – every one of those people was preaching. When you preach on the internet, your ideas will get questioned and even mocked (especially when you’re demanding other people do things). Having a single place to go to see these insane takes is useful as you say. That doesn’t make it wrong. I get that a lot of people believe that showing evidence that proves something you don’t believe is wrong but it isn’t. From what I can tell, none of this stuff is fake, it doesn’t need to be and that’s the point.
    
    As for your belief about her reasoning for hiding her identity – the Left is nasty. As said by you, Libs of TikTok is simply a clearing house yet the Left want her exposed (again, Lorenz’s own words) and destroyed. Hiding from that isn’t hypocrisy, snowflakeism or evidence that what she does hurts people.
    
    Your last paragraph is actually insane. Anyone making death threats should be held accountable. No-one questions that. The other two sentences are just projections. Seriously, the Right doesn’t want people cancelled. Libs of TikTok literally brings these insane takes into the light (the opposite of what you’re projecting).
    
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    April 20, 2022 1:40pm
- MCōs
  
  The article that you apparently find offensive
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/19/libs-of-tiktok-right-wing-media/
  
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  April 20, 2022 4:17pm
  - Batman
    
    It’s a fascinating read. Gives another bit of insight into the astroturf outrage machine funded by activist PACs and Heritage.
    
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    April 20, 2022 4:52pm
Batman

Now, the Dominion Post is famously liberal. Not a day will go by without some hand-wringing nonsense featuring within its pages about whatever the cause du jour may be.

Then, every week or so, the editorial writing roster reaches the office socialist again and it churns out some idiotic ideological burp (hat tip to Michael Cullen).

But I have to say, this editorial on cycling takes the fucking cake.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/128396192/the-dominion-post-says-wellington-needs-to-change-its-thinking-on-cycleways

Now to be clear, I agree that people shouldn’t be sending unhinged hate mail and spreading tacks on cycle paths, endangering small kids walking nearby and the people just trying to use the path.

Nor am I a big fan of the notion that the media has been bought and paid by the government. However this simping waste of words is a complete abrogation of the paper’s responsibility to act as the fourth estate and to question and hold accountable both local and central government.

It is, to put it mildly, a fucking joke to use the unhinged opponents as an excuse to blindly push forward with a cycleway programme that is not designed to provide cyclists and walkers with safe and efficient transit paths, but is designed to achieve urban change and eliminate cars from urban areas via the stalking horse of active transport (putting aside that cyclist lobby groups want that too).

If the paper still believes it has a role, it should ask itself why communities of nominally lefty voters are actually against these poorly thought through (read, deceptive) paths which will have a real impact on the places that rely on being in urban environments where transport access via car is key. And further, ask itself whether the council is actually acting in a competent and professional manner.
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April 20, 2022 10:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It seems to me that the editorial is making the case for the expansion of cycleways. This is an inevitable change. If the loss of parking spaces on streets is a concern for many, then they should vote for council candidates opposed to these cycleways.
  I hadn’t heard before of the violent lunatics scattering tacks. Thank you for confirming the existence of a deranged minority who harbour irrational hatred of cyclists.
  
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  April 20, 2022 11:08am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Yes, I much prefer rational hatred – or pity in the case of cyclists. There they are getting wet, cold or hot and miserable while shortening their life expectancy. Rational hatred is for the poliicians and bureaucrats who make other people’s lives miserable by pandering to cyclists and eco loons.
    
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    April 20, 2022 11:22am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It seems quite obvious to me that most cyclists enjoy cycling, that the numbers of people cycling are increasing, and that those numbers will continue to increase.
      Your hatred, which I sincerely doubt has any rational basis, is unlikely to disrupt these trends.
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:37am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Having spent my teenage years bikimg across town to school invariably against a head wind I rejoice at never to have to bike again. Now that is rational.
        
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        April 20, 2022 11:56am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Please show the basis of your belief that the number of cyclists is increasing and will continue to increase. And if so – so what? I’ve just as much basis to believe that the number of motorists is increasing and will continue to increase, and I don’t see the Dom Post falling over itself to accommodate them.
        
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        April 20, 2022 2:14pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Albert, it’s fair enough to ask for that data, as it’s the sort of request I make here, with few responses.
        These are some census figures:
        2001 831,978 car 40,665 bike 4.89%
        2006 951,477 car 38,091 bike 4.00%
        2013 971,730 car 44,184 bike 4.55%
        2018 1,412,994 car 47,811 bike 3.83%
        Some notes:
        The census figures are for the question on main mode of transport to work on census day.
        The 2018 data are rated as ‘poor’.
        They are national figures – I don’t know what the pictures is regionally.
        
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        April 20, 2022 3:17pm
    - graham
      
      “Shortening their life expectancy”?
      
      Please tell, how does being a cyclist shorten your life expectancy? Most people would agree that getting exercise, out in the fresh air, tends to do you good …
      
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      April 20, 2022 11:46am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Until you are run over.
        
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        April 20, 2022 11:56am
      - graham
        
        According to the Cycling Action Network, there’s been an average of just 9 deaths per year over the past few years.
        
        I’ll take my chances. But it’s nice to know you care.
        
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        April 20, 2022 12:05pm
      - Batman
        
        I’m pretty sure that the risk out being run over doesn’t statistically outweigh the real benefits of being healthier.
        
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        April 20, 2022 12:43pm
    - MCōs
      
      I cycled to a few from work for many years in Wellington, earlier on in my life regardless of the weather.
      I can confirm I never got cold and the rain wasn’t too much of a bother. The wind and the Ngaio Gorge was a bit tedious. Very tedious at times.
      I took things fairly relaxed, but some of the other cyclists were hard core when it came to ascertaining that which they considered their rights.
      One guy I knew was bowled over outside the office & while he was being attended to his bike was stolen.
      
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      April 20, 2022 4:02pm
chukar

In a democracy we must ask does the majority of Wellingtonians want their city to be changed in this way?
Somehow I doubt that cycleways ,at the expense of convenience,and paid for by non Cyclists, are wanted , as in most of our cities.
Consultation could include a referendum at the local body elections.
That won’t happen because Democracy is now almost a forgotten art in NZ!
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April 20, 2022 11:30am
- Batman
  
  The case for better cycling facilities is clear.
  
  It is a matter of how, where, and what that is the issue.
  
  The Newtown path will kill the shops. The path could quite easily have gone either side of the main road down the side streets which are much quieter and better suited to such a lane. It was actually proposed originally but the council of course opted for the shiny fancy option right through the middle of the suburb.
  
  Convenience for a handful of cycling shoppers and a worse experience for everyone else, including commuter cyclists heading north or south.
  
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  April 20, 2022 12:47pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Get rid of all cycle lanes or tax the cyclists to pay for them. No pay, no play.
    
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    April 20, 2022 12:55pm
- kevn
  
  I see lots of wannabe healthy cyclists with their masks on. Not so many with helmets as well though.
  Not sure how the cyclists compute that.
  
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  April 20, 2022 1:05pm
- MCōs
  
  “Democracy is now almost a forgotten art in NZ”
  
  I take it you want elections for pretty much all public offices & referendums on pretty much everything.
  I remember hearing about a whole slew of referendums in California conducted at the same time as country wide elections.
  Two referendums, of the many one occasion, passed that actually contradicted each other.
  
  Personally I’m against them. We elect representatives to make decisions on our behalf.
  
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  April 20, 2022 3:44pm
  - chukar
    
    The trouble is that when elected suddenly these people know everything and have no regard for the voters ( or appointee ) who put them there.
    (And yes ,I’ve been elected a number of times!)
    Compare the hustings ,manifestos etc pre election promises etc to performance post election!
    Yes .all leaders should face the ballot box!
    
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    April 20, 2022 7:56pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyxjCGTQmMw
Government ‘deeply disappointed’ over Pacific nation’s deal with China.

The Australian government has expressed deep disappointment over the signing of a security pact between the Solomon Islands and China. [0:41]
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April 20, 2022 12:39pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  If the Australian Government isn’t willing or able to spend the same money as China is, how can they reasonably expect the Government of the Solomons – a far, far poorer state – to turn it down?
  
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  April 20, 2022 1:42pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yeah, that’s a good point. China has deep pockets.
    
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    April 20, 2022 6:18pm
- cmm
  
  I reckon so what?
  
  Let these Pacific nations be grown ups and make their own decisions and lie in their own beds that they make for themselves.
  
  If they want to be independent from mummy and daddy NZ and Oz, that’s fine with me.
  
  They’re grown ups now. We should stop sending them police to prop up theirs and such to pretend their governments work.
  
  PS: No more hand outs and pocket money. No more preferential access to our economies, universities etc either.
  
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  April 20, 2022 2:42pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s not about the Solomon Islands so much as China having a military bases so close to Oz.
    
    They’re not there for the diving.
    
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    April 20, 2022 3:27pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    This is not a broadly popular move by the Solomons. It’s a party-political move by the current PM.
    
    I don’t think you’d be as blasé if our current PM did something similar – as she has the power to do.
    
    As an aside, the Solomons should reflect on the last time an East Asian superpower showed an interest in setting up shop locally; and who came to bail them out.
    
    Ain’t happening a second time.
    
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    April 20, 2022 8:02pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXvAbxSMq6Y
After Biden, US will not see a Democratic president for a long time to come.

The USA might not see a Democrat in the WH for a long time to come. [5:14. What’s the downside?]
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April 20, 2022 12:39pm
Cinematic

Loving the latest TP Union poll. National in front. Centre left / centre right tied. MP kingmakers or perhaps our old friend (can’t remember his name, nor can he probably).
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April 20, 2022 1:27pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  If the MP are kingmakers they’ll be part of the most unpopular Government since Geoffrey Palmer was Prime Minister and polling showed Labour would be able to hold Caucus Meetings in a phone box if an election was held at that time.
  
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  April 20, 2022 2:22pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

I see where Nigeria is stamping down on scum pedos.
Passing laws for the castration of convicted rapists, and the Death Penalty for raping children.

Meanwhile, (if I understood it correctly), in California a 21 year-old can now legally have sex with an 11 year-old, and avoid being on the Sex Offenders Register.

And people call Nigeria a Third-World-Country!
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April 20, 2022 1:41pm
- Ehlana
  
  Maggie, seriously? Do you have a link for the California changes?
  
  I know a lot of place look at the age gap, to avoid criminalising teens who fall either side of the legal line, but I never heard of a 10 year age gap being acceptable.
  
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  April 20, 2022 2:32pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Typical nonsense from Maggie, who seems to believe any bullshit she reads on Twitter or Facebook. The change in California referred to placing an offenders’ name on a register at the discretion of a judge, rather than automatically.
    
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    April 20, 2022 2:44pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      There’s a dumb-arse between the Y and I on your keyboard, milkey.
      
      Look.
      
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      April 20, 2022 3:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m genuinely sorry that you can’t think of a clever response, Maggie, let alone backing up your claim.
        
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        April 20, 2022 3:20pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        The thing is milkey……your little ruse is up!
        
        In the words of one of my besties here, ‘Ra Henare’, in response to your inane comment to him on the April 8 GD, he said…
        
        “I guess you have the overpowering urge to see your name in print. Even if it means posting meaningless shit”
        
        Couldn’t have put it better myself. LOL!!
        
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        April 20, 2022 4:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Here we go Ehlana…( just ignore that other obsessed idiot wanting to poke his ore in every time I post something)
    
    California Governor Gavin Newson signed Senate Bill SB-145 into law.
    This law exempts from mandatory registration under the act, a person convicted of certain offences involving minors if the person is not more than 10 years older than the minor and if that offence is the only one requiring the person to register.
    
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    April 20, 2022 4:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As I already pointed out, that is not the same thing as
      
      a 21 year-old can now legally have sex with an 11 year-old
      
      It’s a shame you don’t understand much of what you read.
      
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      April 20, 2022 4:40pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        It’s a shame you never read what people actually post….loser!!
        
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        April 20, 2022 5:30pm
    - Batman
      
      So it’s the 18/17 year old girlfriend/boyfriend rule? First offence only gets no mandatory registration.
      
      You still get charged with the crime though.
      
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      April 20, 2022 4:50pm
I remember when

How many people watching how the Chinese authorities are treating their latest Covid outbreaks are thinking –

that’s only a more authoritarian version of what we were wanting.
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April 20, 2022 1:46pm
- OTGO
  
  Have you seen the video in Shanghai of a man beating a corgi to death with a spade?
  https://www.the-sun.com/news/5087711/moment-pet-corgi-beaten-to-death-by-owner/
  
  Or the green onion bags loaded with live cats on the side of the road awaiting an unknown fate?
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10732029/China-Covid-Cats-piled-sacks-amid-Shanghais-brutal-lockdown.html
  
  They are not us.
  
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  April 20, 2022 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just shared a txt he received from his Banker…..
NZ Inflation Rate expected 7.6%
Head-of-the-IMF describes it as ‘clear & present danger’
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April 20, 2022 2:32pm
- barnacle bill
  
  As it is around the world Maggie.
  
  I have seen it come, and seen it go many times over the years, and life goes on.
  It is not desirable, but we do adjust.
  
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  April 20, 2022 2:43pm
  - Matt Long
    
    At 7.2 percent the value of your savings halves every 10 years as does the value of your debt, all you have to do is pay the interest.
    
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    April 20, 2022 8:31pm
skyblue

Pootin’s price hike will be vented as the cause.
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April 20, 2022 2:50pm
Maggie Pie

NEWS FLASH…

They’re saying it’s become very difficult for Cindy to even move in Singapore!

She’s sooo popular, that she gets mobbed for selfies everywhere she goes….
when she tried to leave her table to go to the toilet last night, the MC at the dinner she was attending twice had to appeal to the crowd to let her through. Took her 30 minutes to reach the door!!

LOL….bit different to some of the crowds she’s encountered here 😀
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April 20, 2022 3:57pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Business as usual then, she’s never had any ability to get shit done.
  
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  April 20, 2022 4:17pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Oh the joy, let her stay, please.
  
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  April 20, 2022 5:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The other thing Kev….have you noticed since she’s been out of the country, people are calling it ‘New Zealand’ again?
    
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    April 20, 2022 6:22pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I assume that was sarcasim???
  
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  April 20, 2022 6:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nope….that was from ZB’s political editor Jason Walls 😀
    
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    April 20, 2022 6:40pm
Swifty

Shane Jones does three things:

1. Totally misrepresents the cause of NZ grocery and food price inflation.

2. Expertly repositions himself as a supporter of the kiwi battler.

3. To his eternal shame, fails yet again to apologise to his country-folk for the total robbery of the wallets of NZ families to pay for his NZ First re-election fund otherwise known as the PGF.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128394340/doing-nothing-about-the-supermarket-duopoly-is-harebrained
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April 20, 2022 5:43pm
Steve Todd

A few days ago, Graeme Edgerler said that he would be spending part of his Easter working on his submission, re: the Rotorua (Representation Arrangements) Bill.

Well, here it is: https://publicaddress.net/legalbeagle/the-local-bill-to-remove-equal-suffrage/.

It is, in my view, a devastating put-down of the bill.

Also, I draw the attention of Kiwibloggers to, ahem, paragraphs 32 and 33. In this regard, Graeme’s submission is important because, in Gisborne, which will use STV in October (for the first time), there will be one five-member Māori ward and one eight-member General ward.

That is pretty good, although, given what we now know*, it would have been so much better if the Council had decided, at the outset, to go with 13 seats district-wide.

Ah, well. Progress is being made, albeit slowly.

* See https://www.lgc.govt.nz/representation-reviews/current-determinations/, then scroll down 10 to the Gisborne determination.
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April 20, 2022 5:58pm
andretti

Radio announcer wins workplace battle for extra leave for periods
So women can do everything a man can?.
However im guessing that modern men can claim for this too?.
Batten down the hatches we are in for some kind of ride.The roller coaster is still going up and some way to go before weeeeeeeeeeee.
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April 20, 2022 6:29pm
chukar

For some late night amusement from youth in my house!
Q :what’s Ardern gone to Singapore for.?

A :Shopping!
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