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Peter Lane

Dear old Audrey Young is still under the delusion that this government contains competent ministers.

Discussing who might replace the refuting Police Minister we are informed that:

“Ardern needs one of her best ministers, the ones with political smarts, who can think on their feet, can manage problems in a disciplined and authoritative way, and know how to dampen controversy, not fuel it.

That narrows it down to three people: Megan Woods, Chris Hipkins and Michael Wood.
They are good managers of their portfolios and they are good in the House as Wood demonstrated today in response to questions about hiccups in feebates for cars.”

I just about choked on my bacon sandwich.
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December 13, 2021 8:48am
- RoboRob
  
  Audrey Young should be retired. When she rates the performance of Labour Ministers as high or higher than the previous National government she clearly has a bias. Even if you like Labours policy you should be able to admit that their ministers are struggling with implementation, knowledge of their portfolios or simple work ethic.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    RR – most ministers (99.99%of them) in the current government are prepared to put up with the embarrassment for the next 18 months.
    
    They know they will never ever be paid so much for achieving so little ever again.
    
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    April 13, 2022 11:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I put Megan Woods into the same category as Davis, Curran, Clark, and Williams and lately Faafoi, Faafoi was said to be their best minister, that’s what happens when you are forced to stay when you want to go.
  As for Micheal Wood, he is as bigger blowhard as Robertson, and as inept as the bunch mentioned.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:02am
  - pdm
    
    G – plus Twyford of course.
    
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    April 13, 2022 11:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes forgot about him, he has been away from parliament for most of this term supposedly because of his wife’s health I had forgotten him.
      
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      April 13, 2022 1:04pm
      - curry4me
        
        I hope Mrs Twyford gets well soon, and makes a full recovery from whatever is ailing her.
        
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        April 13, 2022 2:37pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Michael Wood is the Todd McClay of Labour – more interested in his hairstyle than doing a good job.
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:10pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      On the bright side he’ll always get another job in Hallensteins if he loses his seat. That or a real live ventriloquist dummy…..
      
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      April 13, 2022 1:06pm
- Swifty
  
  You’ll notice not one of Young’s criteria of ‘a good Minister’ actually relate to delivering effective results for NZers – rather they ALL relate to HOW they go about their job.
  
  Young has lost sight of the big picture and contributes the general lowering of NZers expectations of what we expect from our government.
  
  I want and demand effective results, how Ministers go about delivering them is way down my list of priorities.
  
  I just wish more of my country folk would think similarly.
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Ghez, I just wonder how many of these ministers would stand up in comparison to Steven Joyce, I bet Robertson things he does
    
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    April 13, 2022 1:06pm
- Peter Lane
  
  Gotta love this from one of the ‘stars’.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-minister-unable-to-correctly-quote-official-cash-rate/MI44RTEYXT7JIUHLSGTKGXZN5A/
  
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  April 13, 2022 12:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    More proof that Labour are fucking useless with numbers. They just can’t comprehend any basic math
    
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    April 13, 2022 3:02pm
- Peter Lane
  
  And here’s another ‘star’
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-response-minister-chris-hipkins-nightmare-at-the-podium-bit-of-a-mind-blank/TDNY72D2TN4OQKSTGEH2BC3X2E/
  
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  April 13, 2022 5:39pm
Warren

The Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern trying to distance herself from the Louisa Wall debacle and pull the heart strings of her followers and those who have deserted her cause by insinuating she nearly contacted Covid-19 when she visited a group of Police officers in their allocated “muster” room in Parliament, while “doing the rounds of Police contingents to thank them for their work.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-protest-jacinda-ardern-came-into-contact-with-covid-infected-cops-while-thanking-them/ZJOBK5NLKCGP3KYLGFX43JXADY/
This is all when she was trying publicly trying to distance herself from operational maters of Police activity throughout the Parliament protest which came to a fiery end last month after a 23 day occupation.
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April 13, 2022 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  “doing the rounds of Police contingents to thank them for their work.”
  
  Ardern: Hey boys. More selfies later. You sick of those blue uniforms? Yeah, me too. How about I sort you out with some nice brown uniforms, and shiny jackboots?
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:18am
- nathie
  
  That would make a great political cartoon (if only the MSM cartoonists weren’t fixated with holding the Opposition to account, so we won’t see it) …. cartoon of the PM thanking Police Officers armed to the max with rifles, batons on their belt and wearing helmets but with visors up!
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She’s as predictable as she is nauseating in her play of media and her waning powers of narrative control.
  More important than whether or not Ardern got the sniffles is the deliberately deceptive headline. The banner on the front page of the Whoreald this morning was:
  
  “PM’s covid scare: Ardern exposed to virus during parliament protests”
  
  The obvious implication is that the filthy few who dared to object to mandates and passes, those disgusting people living in the river of filth, those disease riddled plague rats put dear leader at risk.
  
  Nice try Whoreald, as noted, the facts are different though. The police brought the virus to Wellington. 2 of the officers who came from Auckland were covid positive and gave it to 3 of their colleagues. From the article.
  
  “The officers were part of a contingent that had flown from Auckland to Wellington to assist with the protest on February 14.
  Inquiries had indicated three of the staff were infectious prior to departing Auckland and two others had likely been infected by their colleagues.”
  Over 90 police finished up testing positive.
  
  The real story here is wasn’t that Ardern might have been exposed, but that the police undoubtedly brought the virus to the protest and spread it – including to the protesters.
  On a positive note, because many were not vaccinated they would have suffered minimal ill effects and will now have strong and long lasting natural immunity. 🙂
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:50am
  - rouppe
    
    The real story is that Parliament took a week to dance on the head of a pin to find a way to avoid her having to isolate as a contact
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:27am
  - cjn
    
    Was she wearing a mask?
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:27pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Speaking of which listen as the QLD health minister …
    
    … says none of her “experts” can explain a sudden 40% increase in code-1 heart attacks, chest pains and respiratory issues.
    
    In other news: I have a theory.
    
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    April 13, 2022 5:06pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Causation is not correlation. Or something like that. According to the”experts”.
      
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      April 13, 2022 7:53pm
  - Jim
    
    But we were told (again and again) that the vaccine mandates would protect us (sarc).
    
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    April 13, 2022 6:13pm
- kowtow
  
  The gangs spread wuflu during one of the lock downs . Why doesn’t the media pardy villify them .
  
  Talking of gangs , today’s Ferald reports that being a member of an organised crime syndicate is no bar to becoming a ‘security’ worker .
  
  Worse wtill the quote from police.
  
  ” Police echoed the potential conflictbetween gang membership and security work , but said harris had a history of engaging positively with police and managed conflicts well.”
  
  This of a so called sgt at arms of black power.
  
  There was also a positive reference from staff at work and income.
  
  Quote from today’s Herald.
  
  Make no mistake this is part of a campaign to normalise criminal gangs .
  
  What hope for New Zealand ?
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:58am
- DeepBlue
  
  But her mask was protection. Unless she took it off for photos.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:11am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Big deal. We’ve all probably been exposed to someone with the virus at some stage.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  We have all been exposed to COVID, time she acted like just a normal NZer instead of putting her bloody self on a pedestal, that pedestal is nothing more than failure.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:03am
- pdm
  
  Warren – that is utter bullshit that the Police Officer caught it from the protesters.
  
  He could have caught it from his wife, or someone elses wife, or his mother or father or any other member of the public or work colleague.
  
  More obfuscation from the 25 spin doctors the PM apparently has.
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:08am
Captain Mainwaring

So Spindy has worked out a plan to make houses in NZ more affordable.
She’s opened the borders so that the successful wealth-creating taxpayers (those we can ill-afford to lose) can jump ship to Australia, a country which incentivises those who work hard to succeed, and we will lose them in their tens of thousands, and end up with a surplus of houses.
What we’ll be left with are the 501s and the bludgers, and a guaranteed Labour voting base for ever. They won’t be able to buy the surplus houses so the Government will, so we’ll become a nation of Soviet-style state house renters.
Welcome to New Venezueland.
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April 13, 2022 8:02am
- Ra Henare
  
  Correction. Kiwis have NEVER been restricted from leaving NZ. re your comment to jump ship.
  
  The closed borders wre only for people coming in to NZ.
  
  Over the past 2 years I have l have left NZ on 3 occassions..NO restrictions.
  
  The last was on the basis I could come back without all the MIQ drama.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:09am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I can’t leave NZ even though I have a UK passport because I’m unvaccinated so none of the carriers will take me. So in effect I can’t leave. I haven’t checked out the chance of getting a birth on a cargo ship. I’m happy to be corrected but it seems that even in the light of real world evidence around the significant limitations of this so called vaccine the hysteria, discrimination and coercion is still alive and kicking.
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:28am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Not correct. You can fly on Emirates. Their policy is to implement the vaccination policy of the destination country, so getting to the UK, and an increasing number of other destinations, is a no-brainer. I will be flying to UK and Portugal later this year. I am not ‘vaccinated’ against Covid-19.
      
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      April 13, 2022 9:30am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        That’s good news KK I didn’t know that. Thanks. You would agree that I’m needlessly restricted though I’m sure.
        
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        April 13, 2022 10:04am
      - k1w1
        
        Am also flying to UK and Portugal (July/Aug) but haven’t yet looked up Portugal’s entry reqm. Presumably you have and they are sane (like UK’s)?
        
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        April 13, 2022 10:19am
      - MCōs
        
        “That’s good news”
        Why is it good news?
        You’ve obviously no intention of going anywhere.
        
        As it happens NZ has had an issue with “brain drain” going back at least a hundred years for one reason or other.
        It’s not just the bigger bucks, but the isolation of the country among other things.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:05pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        k1w1, Portugal is very sane in this regard. That’s our reason for traveling there. Gave up on France, Italy, Spain and Greece. They won’t get a tourist cent from our large family group holiday.
        
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        April 13, 2022 1:20pm
    - SoloView
      
      @ Stella – Will you use a “semen” to get a “birth” on a cargo ship?
      
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      April 13, 2022 4:35pm
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Don’t anyone be giving her ideas about closing the borders in both directions! I don’t fancy learning to DJ just so I can move freely.
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:14am
    - Master Mariner
      
      “I don’t fancy learning to DJ just so I can move freely.”
      Any one can belt out a tune of “Word Soup Waffle”.
      Take a pill and off you go.
      Take a walk on the wild side.
      May be some unhidden talent just like I do and have a skin fall on the Karaoke and my talent never ceases to amaze me//
      
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      April 13, 2022 12:17pm
- artemisia
  
  Current government not doing too well with state housing since the waiting list is increasing every month. Average nearly 2,000 new households added each month these days.
  
  Best guess is most of those on the social housing waiting list are there because they look a bit (or a lot) risky to landlords who are navigating “Government … reforms, like the widest-sweeping changes to tenant law in 35 years which came in from February 11 last”. (Herald today, paywalled)
  
  Seems this government has missed that asset owners have choices.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:25am
  - Hebe123
    
    I have a rental. Decided to leave it empty and look at short term rentals after some renos. Might rent it out longer term if some of the rights of LLs are restored. In the meantime I’ll use it myself for holidays.
    
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    April 13, 2022 4:20pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And the arrogant did tries to say it’s only people going on an OE, sickeningly she said on the news last night as she was walking off in her usual huff was “even I went over seas once” what a disgrace she is, known many sheeple are thick, she hadn’t even stopped to think for one minute, when you emigrate from this country, you no longer wish to live here, when you go on OE it’s a temporary explorative exercise, and I guess you even need to sign papers saying you are not coming back if moving away.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:19am
Mike

Just watching the Hurricanes last night. Has there ever been rugby team that has gone through so many hookers?
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April 13, 2022 8:03am
- Warren
  
  In what sense of the word hookers do you mean.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:16am
- Prince
  
  It is rumoured the Lions in 1971.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:33am
  - Mike
    
    I think Truth had a headline in 1977: ‘Lions Lousy Lovers’.
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:14pm
    - MCōs
      
      What a memory!
      I remember that.
      Talk about sour grapes. It was the only thing the papers could think of they were no good at, and then they had to rely on third hand gossip.
      
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      April 13, 2022 3:19pm
- stephen2d
  
  Chiefs at their end of season party a few years ago? 🙃
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:41am
- RockyJ
  
  My old club team did a stag night on K Rd. We went through a few hookers then.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:47am
- RoboRob
  
  From what I hear most Aussie Rugby league teams will have been through many, many more 🙂
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:06am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Yes, but what happens on tour stays on tour.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hooker Phil comes on here sometimes
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:28am
krazykiwi

One of the curious, or perhaps alarming aspects of the so-called pandemic has been the lockstep of western governments in terms of responses – lockdowns, masking, ‘vaccination’, and the demonization of early treatment protocols to name just a few. There have been all sorts of theories about how this happened, and importantly who has been co-ordinating it all. I don’t think it matters whether you believe lizard people have assumed control of national leaders’ brains, or whether you posit that these leaders had a WhatsApp group. The outcome has still been alignment and co-ordination.

Now we have WHO, perhaps stepping out of the shadows on this matter, and proposing a framework whereby they can direct the national heath and public policy in emergencies which, of course, they get to define and call out as they see fit.

WHO have a public submission page here, and I urge you to respond today. Submissions are limited to 250 words. This is how your submission is framed:

Written contributions to the first round of public hearings should respond to the guiding question, which is:
“What substantive elements do you think should be included in a new international instrument on pandemic preparedness and response?”

Note they assuming that such pandemic preparedness powers should exist for them, but only asking you what elements you consider important. I have submitted a response, a mechanism that is only open until 5am tomorrow NZT.

My submission, admittedly copied from another poster, reads

“There should be NO ‘new international instrument on pandemic preparedness and response’

The proposed response limits the actions of sovereign nations by placing power in the hands of unelected supranational bureaucrats. This is anathema to freedom and liberty no matter the promoted nobility of intent.

Sovereign nations would be stronger for less UN-orchestrated intervention.

Please consider lobbying to stop WHO assuming powers over New Zealand’s sovereign health policy. More info here.
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April 13, 2022 8:03am
- Taieri
  
  The outcome has still been alignment and co-ordination
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  I don’t think that “alignment and co-ordination” were necessary here. More likely it was due to the nearly universal stupidity among the decision makers enthusiastically supported by the media…and the citizenry of nearly all the “advanced” countries with the sole exception of Sweden…
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Alignment and co-ordination weren’t needed here because Ardern is a primary cheerleader and at the forefront of the various policies being attempted by the unelected technocrats of the WHO and UN to name just 2 organisations who are in the process of decimating the planet. Probably (who can be sure) set up with all of the best intentions, but they are money hungry bureaucracies full of overpaid, self important, shiny arsed, chair polishing narcissists and oxygen thieves trying to make themselves feel important.
    
    Orgnaisations ripe for indirect control by those with the means and the selfish ambition to do so. Bill Gates being the obvious example.
    
    “Vaccines, with a return of 20 t0 1 for every dollar put in, undoubtedly the best investment I ever made.”
    Because like Cindy, he “cares” so much. Yeah nah.
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:19am
- cmm
  
  The call for submissions is just theatre too. They are just pretending to take input and will do whatever they want anyway.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I know. But if millions of people had a dog in this fight we’d be better off. What we really here need is an opposition committed to the principle of regaining national sovereignty, and one prepared to implement policy based on those principles. I don’t see Luxon stepping up.
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:38am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yes, someone to guarantee that no unelected external body, UN, WHO, IMF, whoever, will never be permitted to lay down rules and laws that impact on the human rights of citizens of NZ.
      
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      April 13, 2022 8:55am
      - mawm
        
        Clan – the world would be freer without any of these alphabet agencies which seem to accumulate an endless supply of “socialists” (I’m trying to keep it polite). We could do with a referendum on being a member of all or some of them.
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:37am
    - Scott
      
      To be fair to Luxon he’s on the front page of newshub this morning saying the government should do away with the traffic light system. So that’s a good comment from him.
      
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      April 13, 2022 9:22am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Even better would be instead of deflecting back to Ardern, make a commitment that if elected, he promises to get rid of the laws she introduced that gave her the abusive powers to override NZers’ human rights and to have the police batter innocent civilians.
        
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        April 13, 2022 10:23am
      - chukar
        
        Scott,
        That’s news??
        Every one I know has been saying that for months!
        Luxon too little too late!
        How about some real leadership?
        
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        April 13, 2022 10:33am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        And public transport subsidies.
        
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        April 13, 2022 10:33am
      - Scott
        
        chukar – I’m not disagreeing with you that Luxon could have led more boldly. The trouble is that a lot of people are really afraid of covid. The government has told them to be afraid of covid and the media has told them to be afraid of covid and they believe the government and the media.
        
        Some people genuinely feel unsafe in the presence of the unvaccinated.
        
        So Luxon has to be aware of the mood of the nation. People want to open up but they want to open up cautiously. I don’t agree with it, if I was Prime Minister I would drop all covid restrictions now.
        
        But Luxon at least is starting to beat a different drum. It looks more and more like national will regain the Treasury benches next year. And at least they believe in freedom. We will see the end of covid restrictions and also the end of three waters which National has promised to repeal and replace.
        
        So it’s not as good as we want. But it’s a lot better than the alternative of three more years of Jacinda.
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:48am
      - curry4me
        
        Its good news that Chris Luxon wants to scrap the traffic light system. Thats a very welcome move.
        
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        April 13, 2022 2:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Orange is the new Red.
        Orange is Red plus Yellow, think about that.
        
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        April 13, 2022 3:14pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Ask anyone who has lost their job to retrenchment, they will always tell you submissions are a load of bullshit, part of the stalling process, part of the poor bastards to get used to the idea.
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:32am
  - Jim
    
    The globalist WHO is intending to avoid a rerun of the recent Sweden and Florida (to name a few) successes in a less authoritarian control of populations.
    
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    April 13, 2022 6:25pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Done. The WHO making mandatory domestic policy for nations is outrageous over-reach from an organisation that barely holds itself together.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Blog-aholic – share it widely, very few people have any clue that this is happening.
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:24am
  - Jim
    
    Harsh (sarc) after they only launched two successive corrupted investigations into the origins of C19. Nothing to see here!
    
    WHO is considered trustworthy to the normies, unless one realises who funds the WHO!
    
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    April 13, 2022 6:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  kk I was just about to post the link to that. I also responded, not quite as politely as yours, but I responded. This power grab has happened well under the radar, it would be great to get a public statement from Ardern on the matter. I have no doubt that she wholeheartedly endorses the concept. She is a globalist UN shill, and will sell this country down the toilet without batting an eyelid.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:54am
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, that’s what she’s there for. The trouble is, its taken four years for those who care about the survival of democracy in NZ to realise this.
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:50am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly, she’s a UN shill tutored and primed ready for the opportunity to take advantage in NZ. It was cleeery done. But she was always going to expose herself because she is a fraud and so obviously plastic.
      
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      April 13, 2022 10:26am
      - Nickc2
        
        I think the teeth are real.
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:01am
  - mawm
    
    Clan – to be fair Key and before him Clark were bowing to every globalist whim. Give Clark her due she drew a line at the indigenous treaty.
    
    The sovereign liberal Western democracies have died and are been replaced by a One World Government.
    
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    April 13, 2022 11:46am
Simon

MBIE says 50,000 New Zealanders will leave within 12 months.

Luxon wants 50,000 net immigration. So that’s 100,000 from the third world / India pa during National’s next term.

National could say don’t leave, its bad under Cindy Labour government, the hard working are treated like shit. We are the next government within 18 months here is National’s plan to make you want to stay in NZ.

Instead National’s economic plan is mass immigration from the third world. National saying well if you don’t like it just fuck off, you can always be replaced from the third world.
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April 13, 2022 8:04am
- artemisia
  
  The more immigrants educated overseas the fewer New Zealand will need to expensively educate here. And then watch some head overseas anyway.
  
  We should start by encouraging more health professionals to immigrate and quietly start reducing funding for the same study here.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:30am
  - Taieri
    
    We should start by encouraging more health professionals to immigrate and quietly start reducing funding for the same study here
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    Not going to happen. The Medical Council will make sure of that. By refusing to recognize their training and experience as evidenced recently by Hungarian neurosurgeon in Dunedin.
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/hungarian-neurosurgeons-application-to-work-in-dunedin-rejected-by-nz-medical-authorities/
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:51am
    - oldfella
      
      Taieri: don’t forget making incoming health professionals learn Te Reo before they get licenced. How else could highly trained overseas professionals treat Kiwis without it?
      Or is that Te Reo thing only for those who study and graduate locally?
      
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      April 13, 2022 11:08am
      - cjn
        
        Why should they if there is a separate Maori Health authority. Why should anyone?
        
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        April 13, 2022 6:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And seems some qualified Maths and Science teachers are the wrong ‘type” for our schools.
      
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/01/teachers-say-racial-bias-seeing-them-rejected-for-jobs/
      
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      April 13, 2022 1:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I am an oldie now, but in years gone I would rather these ‘wrong type’ teach my kids rather than the current bunch of Socialist indoctrinators; and that is exactly what they are
        
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        April 13, 2022 3:41pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I think the assumption that there will be the same enthusiasm to emigrate to New Zealand now as there was to the New Zealand pre 2017 is an incorrect one. Why would anyone want to bring their family to a debt ridden socially fragmented society flirting with a racist government system and with rampant violent crime. No Arderns legacy will be that she changed a top world destination into a place to avoid in just 4 years. “ Let’s do this” indeed.
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:17am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Very well said. It sums up Ardern’s “achievements” very well.
      
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      April 13, 2022 10:28am
    - oldfella
      
      Yes, Stellaboxer, Cindy has turned Ayteeroa into Rotorua. /s
      
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      April 13, 2022 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Let’s do this” has now become “We have done it, but wait, we are not finished with you peasants yet”
      The Labour Party of yesteryear is not what we have today. Vile, nasty, self centered, greedy —- shall I go on?
      
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      April 13, 2022 3:44pm
      - rockape
        
        That phrase they keep using scares me “ we know there is still more to do! “
        
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        April 13, 2022 4:28pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  By taking the “brightest and best” from “third-world” countries, is NZ not harming those nations by depriving them of their best citizens who would have the talent to improve conditions in their respective countries?
  Is it moral to contribute to a brain drain from nations that need to retain their talent?
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:34am
  - artemisia
    
    Skills, like capital, are global now.
    
    Employers who have moral qualms don’t need to employ those they don’t wish to.
    
    New Zealand not a third world country, not yet anyway, but still looking at a serious brain drain the experts say.
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:56am
  - mawm
    
    O – Is it moral to stop the brightest and best from seeking a better life elsewhere and only allow the bludgers and unskilled to go and parasitise other countries? A sovereign country should be able to choose who it wants/needs and any right thinking country should be looking for skills sorely needed.
    
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    April 13, 2022 11:55am
    - rockape
      
      But we could incentivise people to stay. My wife has a degree in Biology, a Masters in Nursing Science and works as a Nurse practitioner. Last pay agreement with her DHB gave her a less than 1% pay rise. Is that really going to keep our smartest and best in NZ ?
      
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      April 13, 2022 4:32pm
    - cjn
      
      All the grand parents I know are very proud of their graduate offspring who live overseas and earn huge salaries. One of the things they hated about lockdown was that they were not able to travel to see their great-grandchildren.
      
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      April 13, 2022 6:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No no no no, the brightest and best from the third world do not want to improve their respective Countries, because they can convince NZ Govt to aid those Countries.
    I do not mean that in a bad way, but NZ is a World ATM
    
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    April 13, 2022 3:48pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Simon, approximately 30% of my team is comprised of immigrants from India. They are overrepresented in the ranks of the diligent and hardworking relative to their peers. Natural born New Zealanders? Not so much.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:35am
  - Inandout
    
    krazy, the guys who installed our fibre were all Indian, save a foreman who came from Uganda. Made an excellent job and everything has worked perfectly since. Had a short chat with one Indian who said his father would tell him things were better under the Raj.
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:07am
    - Hebe123
      
      I used to work with a team of about a dozen power system engineers in NZ. All Indian and Sri Lankan bar one. Great guys to work with, very professional.
      
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      April 13, 2022 5:44pm
  - MCōs
    
    Kiwis spend too much time on social media?
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Well they can’t rely on the mainstream media to get any truthful information about the things important to their lives. I agree, it’s sad that we have to dig to find any accurate information because our usual institutions have become so controlled and are unable to do their jobs.
      
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      April 13, 2022 10:35am
  - cas
    
    The Indians seem to own shit loads of pubs and bottle stores.
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    At my work there was a NZ born Indian. Got on well with him, more than some of the other lazy shits.
    Point is I never even thought about his skin colour, just his knowledge. Fucking good welder, and I mean way up there, like I was once LOL
    
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    April 13, 2022 3:54pm
  - cjn
    
    And how many languages do they speak? Probably at least four.
    
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    April 13, 2022 6:15pm
Tony Stuart

Remember how Dr Bloomfield, Chris Hipkins and even the PM strenuously denied that they commandeered supplies of RAT kits from those who had ordered them legitimately?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/ministry-requested-private-rats-after-just-2-per-cent-of-january-and-february-stock-showed-up/

Guess what; someone told porkies. I think Chris Bishop sums it up best:

Bishop said emails showed “a tawdry, disgraceful episode from a government caught short due to their own incompetence”.

Heads should roll, both at the Ministry and within government. Of course, we know that won’t happen. But it reinforces the need to a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Government’s response to Covid. We’ve had too many issues like this.
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April 13, 2022 8:05am
- Cinematic
  
  I’d suggest Bishop communicate in common english rather than dragging words like tawdry back from the brink of extinction.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:16am
  - graham
    
    There is nothing wrong with the word “tawdry”; I understood the sentence perfectly well.
    
    Unlike many of the words that the media insist on peppering their reports with. An example: during the heavy rain last month, One News had an item about a marae losing their “urupa”. There was no explanation as to what an “urupa” is, and the context did not give any clues. I have no idea what an “urupa” is, and nor (I suspect) would the majority of people watching One News. So the item was a complete waste of time.
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:04am
    - Batman
      
      It is astounding that some people are so intellectually incurious, or simply so stubborn that they refuse to learn anything out of spite.
      
      If you looked at the footage what did you see?
      
      Gravestones. It’s a cemetery.
      
      That’s your Te Reo word of the week Graham!
      
      Urupa, or cemetery.
      
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      April 13, 2022 10:21am
      - Yabster
        
        spite no, coercion for sure- lot of us like to make our own decisions instead of being forced.. but others lack that capacity/will……
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:12am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Why do you say it is out of spite? Why should anyone be manipulated into learning a language that is of zero use outside NZ and of minimal use within NZ unless you are trying to communicate with a government bureaucrat?
        I’m Irish by birth, but I have no desire to learn the Gaelic, like maori, I’m sure it is a beautiful language but I don’t need to learn it so I don’t.
        I was taught Latin at school, that’s the best use of a couple of years study ever…. //
        
        This government does everything by subterfuge, coercion and manipulation, sometimes subtle, sometimes not. They manipulate the truth with lies and discombobulation. They can’t just speak the truth, it’s all about narrative control. Just like Brenda’s attempt to sell Wellington to Aussie tourists today. The weather wasn’t doing what she demanded it do so they mocked up a “better” image.
        It sums up Ardern and her government perfectly. Fake.
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:35am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        She just has to control every narrative. She is a narcissistic control freak.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-struggles-with-wellington-weather-as-she-sells-nz-to-aussie-tourists/
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:39am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Language is communication -here’s something novel communicate in words and language that almost all people in NZ understand not 5%. Language should not be used in way that is glorified virtue signalling resembling a strutting Peacock.
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:43am
      - Batman
        
        I think its those who resent it who are interpreting it as glorified virtue signalling or arrogance. Because they see it as the culture war when in reality it is a few easy to learn words used to describe objects and concepts.
        
        Absolutely none of it is beyond the learning abilities of a six year old.
        
        Given it is one of our official languages, the argument against it just ends up showing who desires to live in a supremacist society.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:21pm
      - graham
        
        It is astounding that some people are so intellectually incurious, or simply so stubborn that they refuse to learn anything out of spite.
        
        Au contraire, Batman. Over the past year I have been investing my time in learning to play the piano, and studying new technologies in order to recertify an industry certification that I hold. These are things that I personally want to do.
        
        Like everybody, I have a finite amount of time and energy to invest in learning new subjects; therefore I am careful about how I use my time. And learning a language – or even individual words – that very few people use, that is of no interest to me, and I have absolutely no need for, is simply not a wise use of my limited time. For that matter, I also have never bothered to spend any time learning about, for example, scuba diving because it simply doesn’t interest me.
        
        I’m honestly not sure why you seem to think I should spend my time learning something, simply because somebody else has decided I need to.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:14pm
      - Batman
        
        It might be worth a small amount of your time to save time debating it online and it might lower your blood pressure as you’ll be triggered far less!
        
        Nga mihi, Graham.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:33pm
      - Yabster
        
        more dribble from the woke Bat- if you don’t learn a bit of Maori you are now a Supremacist ffs- so most Maori are Supremacist then?
        
        Official language? so what?- hows you sign language skills there wokey? nothing ?- you sight supremacist so and so lol- pathetic.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:27pm
      - Batman
        
        Your stunted sentences indicate you might be the one dribbling yabby.
        
        I don’t go around getting mad when people use NZSL.
        
        Yet some are oh so triggered by a bit of Te Reo on the TV.
        
        Snowflake much?
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:31pm
      - graham
        
        Given it is one of our official languages …
        
        So is New Zealand Sign Language.
        
        How many words do you know in NZSL?
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:35pm
      - Batman
        
        I actually know fuck you in sign 🤣
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:37pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        A shame about your last sentence, Batman.
        There is no ‘white supremacist society’ in NZ.
        
        There is a government, led by a Maori caucus, and with an academic and public sphere bowing and scraping something fierce on all things Maori.
        A white supremacist state which starts and finishes meetings with karakia, a white supremacist state which is entrenching positions based on race only for people of certain ancestry. A white supremacist system where health outcomes are poor for Maori, yet oddly the work force is overwhelmingly foreign and ‘non-white’.
        
        If anything, the system is being gamed towards a disproportionate amount of power and influence for one group only – and it isn’t ‘white’.
        And the answer to supposed racism is not literal racism.
        NZ is not a white supremacist state. That is a battle cry for retards who are doing real damage to the nation.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:50pm
      - Batman
        
        I didn’t say it was. Merely that some wish it to be.
        
        Perhaps you’d accept mono-cultural instead of my more controversial wording?
        
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        April 13, 2022 1:07pm
      - graham
        
        It might be worth a small amount of your time to save time debating it online and it might lower your blood pressure as you’ll be triggered far less!
        
        Oh, such things don’t “trigger” me, Batman, but thank you for your concern. 🙂
        
        I do find the media’s insistence on using words that so few people understand rather bizarre; and I can only suppose that their refusal, in many cases, to provide any context or interpretation is down to their stubbornness and spite …
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:53pm
      - Batman
        
        So in five years you’ll be fine with it because it will be far more commonplace?
        
        You’ve learnt urupa today. The sky is the limit from here!
        
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        April 13, 2022 1:06pm
      - Yabster
        
        “snowflake much”- bloody hell- sums you up boy lol so wet.
        
        no comment re your Supremacist comments- no? Thought not.
        
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        April 13, 2022 1:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Now there are ten people who know what ‘urupa’ means in the honkie world.
        You too Batman? You too are part of the enforced pidjin anglais being forced onto just NZ joe blog?
        
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        April 13, 2022 4:02pm
    - Nickc2
      
      What really pisses me off about TV Talking Heads dropping in Te Reo words of their choosing is that I have no effin idea what’s being said and my taxes are paying these bastards.
      To me, they’re just showing their arrogance. Yes, I’m aware they are being paid to do this but there are other News Programs that cater exclusively to Maori and Te Reo and this is where their efforts would be more appreciated perhaps.
      
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      April 13, 2022 11:45am
      - Batman
        
        Do you become similarly frustrated by the use of words such as fettuccini, Vatican, baguette, souffle, catacomb, or marae?
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:03pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And this morning we hear that the storm missed Auckland but hit ‘Aotea’. I thought Aotea was a suburb of Porirua but apparently it’s also another name for Great Barrier Island. Who knew?
        I’m getting bloody sick of this shit.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:14pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Batman @12:03PM
        No, not in the least. Try again when you grow up.
        
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        April 13, 2022 12:40pm
      - graham
        
        Captain:
        
        Because absolutely everybody I talk to knows exactly where ‘Aotea’ is, whereas none of them have ever heard of Great Barrier Island …
        
        Newsreaders … confusing and confounding everybody by their stubborn and spiteful refusal to use the common name, am I right Batman?
        
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        April 13, 2022 1:00pm
      - Batman
        
        Your emphasis shows that it is in fact your own stubborn and spiteful refusal to learn new words.
        
        So elegantly put.
        
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        April 13, 2022 1:04pm
      - graham
        
        LOL … I have to hand it to you, Batman, your persistence in continuing to hit the nail bang on the side is inspirational.
        
        Have a wine on me.
        
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        April 13, 2022 5:46pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Hasn’t the head already rolled – that of Dr Ashley Bloomfield?
  There will no consequences for anyone else in the political arena.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No,
    his head hasn’t rolled.
    
    He was never going to be part of the New Ministry of Health … The plumb jobs will be for Andrew Little’s and Willie Jackson’s mates.
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:14am
- Master Mariner
  
  The thing that pisses me off about this Blatent lying is the simple fact that they new better who actually needed them,
  Journalists and MP’s as opposed to Key Industries who had the foresight to keep Industries running and therefore purchased in advance.
  As for myself we had RAT ( ART) tests onboard for crew changes etc or if a crew member felt a bit off etc so the vessel could keep operating.
  Rest assured , The Government never got ours as we had advanced purchased in Singapore prior to arrival here in large quantities.
  As a matter of fact all Shipping companies are required to have RAT onboard as part of “Covid Management Plan”, And is a Detainable offense.
  There is a lot these Clowns could learn from the Shipping Industry in General.
  We do not “Wing it” and expect tom get away with it that’s for sure.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:25am
  - curry4me
    
    RATs are being sold for $6-7 in the Warehouse at South City. Also the other branches too, I guess.
    
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    April 13, 2022 3:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Someone should tell those four clowns that we have this thing called the ‘Internet’ It is amazing we can find the truth as well as the lies.
  They must think we are morons and not intelligent enough to use a keyboard, and that is how they run the Country
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:28am
  - Debsta
    
    Sadly we are too few Steve, and Labour knows that. Seems to me that morons now make up the majority and they don’t see tyranny even when it’s slapping them in the face!
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Oh you can find the truth on the internet, but never forget, Brenda already told us, she will be your single source of truth. The rest is “misinformation” as we are reminded in every nauseating media article supporting this dreadful woman. I am still to get a response from any of them to tell me exactly what “misinformation” I need to be looking out for.
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:58am
Frank the tank

So will our Glorious Leader give us some good news heading into Easter? I notice more and more face nappy compliance is waning (maybe not in Wokeington) and people (insert: normal) don’t really give 2 shits about getting the medium grade flu.

Of course the feckless is breathlessly reporting “will she or won’t she” as some form of demented public lottery where the great unwashed might be given some great big present.
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April 13, 2022 8:06am
- Cinematic
  
  Even ardent Ardern supporters enthusiasm is waning. Give us orange light they all yelp!
  
  Ignoring the fact no emergency has existed for some time (if ever) in NZ. Jacinda et al can jam their orange where the sun don’t shine.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Just to illustrate the stupidity…
  
  I went to the New Brighton hot pools yesterday evening. The pool I was in had about 40-50 people. It was not packed but it was cosy. Nobody wears a mask.
  
  There is a sign up saying you must wear a mask walking through reception. So you have maybe 100 people in the pools – no mask wearing. In the changing rooms. No mask wearing. But they put their masks on during the 4 seconds it takes to walk past the reception desk to exit the building.
  
  Just pure theatre.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Reception must be where the security cameras are……
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:29am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Ben,
    
    I’m finding more and more you ignore the rules when you enter the shop. Sure if someone asks me to put on a mask I will but if they don’t ask it is a silent agreement with us with a brain.
    
    If the ignorance around masks gets to a certain level they will be forced to drop it. Same thing happened over in Australia.
    
    But yes wearing them is and has always been virtue signaling.
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:45am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Frank. Don’t put the mask on, even if they ask you to. They cannot force you to. Just say,” no thanks”, smile at them & wish them a happy day.
      Wearing a mask is compliance with illegal & socialistic requirements, and only shows you are one of the compliant sheeple.
      
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      April 13, 2022 11:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Dint west a mask, if you are asked to simply state “I’m exempt”, smile and walk on. If you are harassed, point out you are fully complying with current legal rules direct from the government and if they keep harassing you then you will need to contact their boss and potentially a lawyer. They are wrong, you are right.
      
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      April 13, 2022 11:43am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Don’t put it on when asked, and if they insist, leave. When they ask, just cryptically tell them “No, it’s fine.” They don’t know how to respond.
      
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      April 13, 2022 12:11pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Benedict: “Pure theatre”…Quite so. I visited my doctor yesterday – a great guy, but one who has totally “bought the package” on Covid.
    
    I asked him why, if masks were so effective in preventing transmission, we had been getting more than 10,000 infections per day until very recently. He had no answer, other than “Well, we are not locked down any more…”
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:51am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      DG – don’t ask awkward questions, it disturbs the “single source of truth”.
      
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      April 13, 2022 9:00am
    - Local Miller
      
      Similarly if the Jab is so effective, why have 580,000+ “vaccinated” people caught the virus in the past few months?
      580,000 is based on 5% of over 18s not taking the job and allowing for these roughly 200,000 people having ALL caught the virus, and working with yesterdays count of 786,058 total positive tests.
      This doesn’t even take into account the 10, hundreds of thousands who have caught the virus and didn’t know or didn’t report their positive test results.
      
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      April 13, 2022 9:42am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I hope that is a rhetorical question.
        
        The vaccine offers no effective protection against contracting the virus after about 4 months. So all those “boosters” we had are soon to be useless as well.
        
        There will be a 4th shot coming your way any time soon. 🙂
        
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        April 13, 2022 9:50am
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene: Not into my arm it won’t…I now regret having shot three. Just too much bad and withheld information about this “vaccine” (more accurately described as a not very effective treatment)
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:19am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The latest study out of Israel clearly shows any efficacy from jab 4 is gone within 8 weeks. It is completely useless. Take it at your peril.
        
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        April 13, 2022 11:46am
      - Hebe123
        
        The evidence that it’s pretty much useless has been around since way before NZ got delta. People just chose to believe the gov. And only now realise they were scammed!
        
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        April 13, 2022 5:59pm
    - leoj
      
      Further to Pure Theatre…….
      Red to orange, face masks no longer required in cafes but still required in the supermarket or retail stores.
      What a load of bollocks.
      The last time I checked, a cafe is a retail store.
      
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      April 13, 2022 6:21pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    BY, could could have channeled Borat and donned a ‘maskini’ 🙂
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:04am
  - Local Miller
    
    Oh, it gets worse than this. The office I’m supposed to work in, shared with another company have agreed staff can work from the office again on the following conditions.
    1) A RAT test every morning when you come into the office. If you are positive you have to go home.
    2) If you’ve had Covid in the past 28 days you can forgo the RAT test, but after 28 days it’s back on RATs
    Here’s the kicker, after getting a negative RAT result you can work in the building but must wear a mask while walking around or in common areas!
    
    Now where the hell is the value in a mask when you have just shown that everyone in the office is not infected?
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:37am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Containment theatre…a bit like airlines. Qantas insist on vaccination. Their response to my excruciatingly polite and evidence-based 200 word enquiry was to insult my intelligence by saying their policy existed because of their commitment to passenger safety.
      
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      April 13, 2022 9:57am
      - krazykiwi
        
        AirNZ dropping vaxx requirement. About time.
        
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        April 13, 2022 8:50pm
Todd123

I see that the government is progressing all guns blazing with Three Waters. Department of Internal Affairs, who would manage implementation have appointed 2 executive directors exclusively on Three Waters https://www.dia.govt.nz/press.nsf/d77da9b523f12931cc256ac5000d19b6/2461b47d038e1faecc2587f2000fa62e!OpenDocument and another who seems to have a significant responsibility for Three Waters. https://www.dia.govt.nz/press.nsf/d77da9b523f12931cc256ac5000d19b6/701bf5e99a38ef22cc258812007fc479!OpenDocument
On top of that there are roles a plenty advertised with DIA in Three Waters implemention. Such as this one advertising for a Lead Legal Advisor for Three Waters https://www.seek.co.nz/job/56571581?type=standout#sol=a8348e35945cf66cf8422addd99f79df9f62533d

All a bit odd given that the legislation hasn’t even been considered by parliament – yet these roles are not about advising on the proposed legislation, they are about implementing proposals that parliament is yet to vote on or even formally consider.
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April 13, 2022 8:13am
- RockyJ
  
  It just shows what a mess National and Act are going to have to clean up.
  Reverse Three Waters and the health reforms plus implement referenda on local government democracy.
  At the same time the economy will be a smoking ruin and we will be racially divided as never before.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:34am
  - Nickc2
    
    She will have achieved her aim. “Yep, Yep, a divided nation” she stated during a televised interview.
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:02pm
  - mawm
    
    Rocky, you left out the //s. National will end up doing what they always do – keep 3 Waters and try to make it work better.
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:12pm
Tricati

Shane Reti gets asked legitimate question from an Australian radio station over nurse shortages, which he answers honestly, then the PM offices gets rat-faced and raises the issue with Luxon over interfering in Australian elections.
Again, labours short memory, given Hipkins involvement in the Barnaby Joyce saga – What bloody hypocrites.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labour-mp-chris-hipkins-blasted-over-role-in-aussie-citizenship-row/QX5CJZBFWYSVF35XAE7COZPGRQ/
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April 13, 2022 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Grief, Labour must be desperate if they have to pick on Dr Reti.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:18am
Warren

I’m just wondering does Government departments think employment laws are only made for the private sector and it doesn’t apply to them.
Are the Government trying to have a Bob each way on is intern a employee,
Womans complaint goes to hearing and maybe I am wrong with observation but it looks like the Government make laws they don’t believe penalizes them.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/era-complaint-after-ministry-of-education-intern-says-she-should-be-recognised-as-an-employee/XZSKERQHRTLETEPNIRYRTHUHAA/
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April 13, 2022 8:15am
Swifty

A further insight into the venality of those behind the FPAs – the union-payola Labour wage extortion racket:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300564004/fair-pay-agreements-why-employers-need-to-get-organised-now

The agreements will force employers to also pay employee annual union membership fees.

Employees therefore enjoy ‘free’ union membership – how wonderful for the unions.

On reflection, extortion is too nice a word.
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April 13, 2022 8:17am
MCōs

Yesterday the Leader of the Opposition, Chris Luxon, categorically stated he was against subsidized public transport.
Today the Leader of the Opposition, Chris Luxon, categorically stated he didn’t say that.
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April 13, 2022 8:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  Two focus groups in two days? He’s been busy.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is that a bit similar to how our Dear Leader changed from telling us on that economic sanctions were the most “impactful” measure NZ could use against Russia to changing her mind about sending lethal military aid to Ukraine?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDKT6JiKUys
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:26am
- Frank the tank
  
  Sounds like Ardern on like, everything.
  
  Back under the troll bridge please. SirCullen’s Sidekick will feed you later in the afternoon.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:27am
- Nickc2
  
  Evidence please?
  
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  April 13, 2022 12:07pm
  - MCōs
    
    Yesterday
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/465134/public-transport-ultimately-can-t-be-subsidised-or-underwritten-christopher-luxon
    Today
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300564898/nationals-christopher-luxon-backtracks-on-public-transport-subsidy-gaffe
    
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    April 13, 2022 3:25pm
Ra Henare

Some observations.

I recently decided to “help out”” the local Kiwifruit season is in full swing and due to closed boarders there is a screaming need for workers.

So from umpteen years as an information worker/Manager/Business owner and reaching my 3 score and 15 years decided it would be a new experience to work in a packhouse for 4 hours a day.

Yep it is a physical job being on your feet for 3 hours and 45 minutes (15 minute break after 2 hours)

However it was one of the best work experiences I have had for many a long year.
Why?
With a very broad range of Kiwis of all ages, colours, religions and ethnicities. The TEAMWORK was fantastic.
All had a common goal. Getting that fruit on to trays and in to boxes….
NO arguments no disputes. If someone saw a need/problem, they just jumped in and fixed it!
Absolutely NONE of the “”not my job”” approach.

Every break, a Manger would come to the “”canteen”” and thank the workers for a job well done.

Renewed my faith in NZ and its great population.
IF only we as a Nation had a clear and present goal. Rather then the continuous waffle from her with the teeth.

PS. Whats with NZ. I see more and more jobs saying 12 hour shifts for 4 days.
At the Packhouse I was at. A number of PEOPLE oriented shifts.
eg 8:00am-3pm (Mums with kids at school?)
4pm -8pm (High school/College after school)
8:30pm – 7:30am night shifts etc etc

PPS: IF you are retired, I heartily recommend it as a way of connecting with a broad range of Kiwis. Its seasonal so not a long term commitment.
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April 13, 2022 8:31am
- Tricati
  
  Well done – Last week my niece rang and asked if I could help out her neighbour (Dairy farmer) who had hurt himself and couldn’t get the milking done (she knew I worked on a farms many years ago).
  I hadn’t milked in over 50 years but thought I would give it a go and worked alongside a couple from the Philippines – Did 3 days of morning/evening milk for him and had a ball, although the 65 year old body wasn’t so keen at the end.
  
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  April 13, 2022 12:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yesterday I had a comment deleted with a Mod saying “Deleted – Don’t post links without any context. mod.”
If there is no context in the link I do put in a description – but reading the link usually provides the context. Of course there are those who just click the blue
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April 13, 2022 8:41am
- cmm
  
  I think the general idea is that you should not just be dumping links without adding some extra value (ie. adding your own interpretation/commentary).
  But who knows, some mods seem to get the hump up with some KBers while others seem to be given a lot more wiggle room.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A link to ‘The Bee’ carries a description in the actual link – a ‘YouTube’ link does not.
    Mods overall do a good job.
    
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    April 13, 2022 11:00am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yep- like this one
      https://babylonbee.com/news/blm-leaders-call-for-renewed-protests-this-summer-after-finding-a-fantastic-beach-house-for-sale-on-zillow
      
      We can all see the Joke
      Although ‘some’ on here might take this one as real and not satire…
      https://babylonbee.com/news/are-you-a-groomer-9-things-to-look-for
      
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      April 13, 2022 3:57pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just remember AoR, lefties are born without a sense of humour, and it can never be installed.
        Must be a virus blocker thing – or something///
        
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        April 13, 2022 4:20pm
Maggie Pie

I love it when even just my presence pisses some people off 😀

But not Jacinda. She likes to be liked……

https://twitter.com/mediaspotnz/status/1513817253233397760
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April 13, 2022 8:43am
- Frank the tank
  
  Love the comment around transparency. She has a Trump-like ability to bat off reality.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Transparency?
  
  We were told 2 shots would do the trick
  
  We weren’t publically told pericarditis/myocarditis was a known side effect until a young man had died.
  
  We were led up a garden path with deep-cleaning and being locked indoors whilst the virus was circulating through stuffy MIQ facilities.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” impacts from medicines” So Jaspinda admits the vax is a medicine? The truth – unbelievable!!
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:06am
Magnus Forteman

“The Chief of Defence Force (CDF) yesterday released a directive as an order to members of the Defence Force directing that all personnel that haven’t received the COVID-19 Vaccine are to be subject to discharge. This now also includes all personnel that have not received a booster, which includes a significant portion of the Defence Force at a time when the organisation is already at critically low manning across all areas. This decision has been made despite the High Court ruling that the government order mandating the vaccine for Defence Personnel was unlawful.

The discharge method, known as a performance discharge, normally requires a minimum of a three month warning period. However, the CDF has directed that this requirement will be waived and service personnel now only require two weeks notice to be kicked out, if it’s for choosing to not receive the COVID-19 vaccine or a booster. This process would normally give the service member’s commanding officer the authority to retain them. This authority has also been taken away so that the decision will be made by service chiefs instead.

The CDF, Air Marshal Kevin Short, has consistently taken a hard line on vaccination and does not seem to have been deterred in this by the High Court ruling of it being an unjustified limitation of the rights of Service Personnel. Following this ruling, Frontline Law sent letters to the Police Commissioner and the Chief of Defence Force on behalf of the affected, unvaccinated personnel asking for engagement on how they would be reintegrated into their organisations. The Police Commissioner responded by meeting with affected personnel, answering their questions and discussing a way forward for their integration. In contrast, the CDF didn’t even acknowledge the letter and most unvaccinated service members are still unable to return to work.

This position has also seen all Defence Areas maintain vaccine passports even after they’ve been removed from most public places. The requirement is still extended to service personnel being able to do basic things like book leave centres or take their kids to the park if they’re posted to areas like Waiouru. While the rest of the country has moved on from vaccine passports, the NZDF hasn’t and are still implementing them as rigorously as ever. This is despite huge numbers of vaccinated personnel contracting and recovering from COVID-19 regardless of whether they happened to have an unvaccinated person in their vicinity or not.

Many service personnel have good reason to not want to receive the vaccine including religious grounds or having had a reaction to a previous dose. We’ve served New Zealand both domestically and overseas on operations. We now want to continue this battle for what is right by opposing this directive and the agenda for compulsory vaccinations to prove that these actions are not only immoral but also unlawful.”
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April 13, 2022 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Whenuapai was very quiet this morning. Did not even hear the C 130 take off. Most ‘passengers’ will be heavily vaxed and taking thousands of RAT kits with them//
  Play school TV1 made more noise than the Herc leaving.
  More noise at Whenuapai now at 4.30pm. Filled up with spare parts for C 130s?
  
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  April 13, 2022 4:29pm
Surely Knott

After yesterdays tragic news of vaccine deaths and injuries, unvaccinated hit jobs are off the table today, so Stuff returns to their other favourite theme – NZers are racist. Todays story is about a council staffer who was fired and had 21 complaints against them. But when you read the story 6 complaints were still under investigation, and of the 15 remaining 10 didn’t result investigation and were dropped. So that leaves 5 and they never tell us whether they were investigated or ruled on or the nature of them. The article actually involves only one single fact and example In February the man ” apologised for a manager’s email about “people with poor English”.” That’s it. Local Govt was approached for comment and did not. It is a complete non-story. About a poorly phrased comment made 2 months ago. The headline designed to make us think we’re living amongst unreasonable racists. This piece of journalistic gold is funded by the governments NZ on air public journalism fund. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300562090/auckland-council-staff-member-dismissed-after-racism-complaint
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April 13, 2022 8:48am
unaha-closp

Zelensky has successfully captured another leader of Ukraine’s opposition parties and will soon put him on show trial.
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April 13, 2022 8:51am
- Batman
  
  You mean a Russian asset paid and collaborating with the FSB?
  
  That’s called a traitor.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:12am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    .. very young and a product of the education system that has been fucked over
    
    [ Mod : calm down. This sort of gratuitous personal abuse will earn you a holiday. Next time takr a deep breath. Play the ball and all that ]
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:12pm
krazykiwi

I see Sri Lanka has defaulted on its sovereign debt. China has already ‘invested’ billions in this country, funding a new city just on the outskirts of Colombo. Watch for the bailout, with geo-political strings attached.

O/T: Great cycling to be had in Sri Lanka. The mountain climb from Kandy to the Nuwawa Eliya though the tea growing district is beautiful, and a cold beer tastes amazing at the end!
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April 13, 2022 8:54am
- Ruahine
  
  I have been to Sri Lanka also kk. Such a pretty country and hard working people. The wealth of the country has been squandered by the self serving elites.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:05am
- Raphael
  
  Sri Lanka is in a bad way. They were very dependant on Tourism dollars. and the last two years have killed that.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:13am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, tourism has been on the ropes. First the 2003 tsunami which devastated much of the tourist areas, even some on the west. Then the 2019 Easter bombing. I visited in 2017 which was probably an optimal time. I came away liking the country, and the warmth of the people. I’d like to return someday.
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:20am
  - Jack5
    
    Tourism has also been NZ’s biggest foreign currency earner.
    
    Wonder how our balance-of-payments figures will look for 2021 and 2022.
    
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    April 13, 2022 9:30am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes Indeed, I guess the huge Port built for the Belt and Road initiative did’nt help amongst other mismanagement.
  I spent 3 weeks there 3 years ago while signing off my vessel. Great place and people.
  Just after the Christian Bombing actually.
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:56am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Look at the other countries in trouble who have borrowed money from the PRC.
  
  Sri Lanka has a useless port and airport and will now give them to the PRC on a 99 year lease,
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:45am
- westernScientist
  
  cant imagination this helped either:
  
  https://www.agweb.com/opinion/we-must-learn-sri-lankas-man-made-organic-agriculture-disaster
  
  Sri lankan government forced its farmers to go organic, predictable results occurred.
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:46am
- cas
  
  It is/was a great country. I have been there 3 times the first being nearly 50 years ago. So much variety in the scenery and good food, though we went off the chilled drinks after we saw the block of ice being hauled along the ground into the kitchen. Stuck to elephant beer I think it was.
  
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  April 13, 2022 12:13pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Just taking over from where uncle Sam left off.
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:14pm
krazykiwi

BoJo, his wife, and his Chancellor of the Exchequer have all been fined for breaking UK lockdown laws. Resignations? I suspect not.
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April 13, 2022 9:10am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I’d hope all those asking for his resignation take a good hard look at their own adherence to Covid rules first.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:26am
- kowtow
  
  Thus the many trips to Ukraine , which he knows are hugely popular and serve as a massive distraction.
  
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  April 13, 2022 1:13pm
Maggie Pie

I’d been wondering what had been going on here…

I see where convicted-drug-smuggler and friend of the rich & famous, Karel Sroubek, will have his appeal against deportation heard AGAIN this week.
Last time, former Immigration Minister Ian Lees-Galloway had to decide whether to deport him, but instead granted him residence.

And there’s a few other cases that appear to have fallen from the radar…

> The ‘unexplained’ death of Pauline Polkinghorne

> The axe murder of Anthony Bell in Otorohanga last October.

> And where the f**k is Marokopa Man?

Asking for a friend.
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April 13, 2022 9:12am
- Inandout
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:17am
- MCōs
  
  There’s the strange case of the alleged homeless man who stayed in MIQ after wandering in off the street.
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:55am
- Frank the tank
  
  You forgot about the Tribesmen motorcycle attack on state highway 1 as well….
  
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  April 13, 2022 9:55am
- Surely Knott
  
  Did we ever find out why the 15 year old teen was lying like a log in the middle of the rural road at 11 pm in December last year and then fatally hit. Was the teen or driver named?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northland-police-appeal-for-witnesses-after-car-fatally-hits-teen-lying-on-road/JUPP3RWO3E2YTR3I42JRHJYUSM/
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:58am
  - Surely Knott
    
    And we are still waiting on the coroners report from the Muriwai teens death in September last year.
    “It could be a number of months before the final post-mortem report is received and all information relating to this death is obtained from relevant agencies.
    “The coroner’s findings will be made available once the inquiry has been completed.”
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And we’ve never discovered why Fletcher Wong died in a ditch after walking out of Rhythm & Vines fest.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fletcher-wong-teen-missing-from-rhythm-and-vines-found-dead/P2FCZ4ZUZMAO775SVKM7X657DU/
    
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    April 13, 2022 1:19pm
Bobba Fret

Mike Hosking this morning asked Megan Woods and Mark Mitchell what the current OCR was, and what the unemployment rate was.
Neither one knew either percentage!
Very disappointing.
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April 13, 2022 9:17am
- MCōs
  
  Every politician in Australia has the answers written on their hand to about twenty vital statistics after Albanese couldn’t answer those questions the other day.
  What was Bradman’s test average?
  
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  April 13, 2022 10:32am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    99.9 I think. Didn’t he get a duck in the last innings?
    
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    April 13, 2022 11:27am
    - Steve Todd
      
      99.94 — 6,996 / 70
      
      And yes, needing just four runs in his last innings (to finish with a Test career average of at least 100), he was cleaned out for a duck.
      
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      April 13, 2022 12:23pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Electoral and cricket stats, Steve. A man of many talents 🙂
        
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        April 13, 2022 3:01pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Ah, yes, kk, my bookshelf is packed out with election / electoral reform / STV books, and with Wisden Cricketers’ Almanacks / cricket books. Can’t get enough of either.
        
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        April 13, 2022 9:06pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    99 – needed a couple of runs in his last dig but got cleaned up for a duck.
    
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    April 13, 2022 11:49am
  - Don Beckett
    
    99 ?
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:03pm
  - kowtow
    
    Nope .
    
    The media ambushed Scomo on the price of bread not too long ago , and made an awful lot of how out of touch with the common man he was .
    
    Albo shudda been up to speed on unemployment figures , he’s made a big claim of how he’s so on top of economics and then badum. And he’s only recently done a speech in reply on the budget there.Shown up as yet another full of guff ,out of touch politician.
    
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    April 13, 2022 1:12pm
bjools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128332178/interest-rate-rises-and-the-risk-of-a-hard-landing-for-the-economy
In his comparison, he neglects to mention that it was the high interest rates and inflation of the 80’s (Labour) that caused the problems of the 90’s and were largely fixed by National. Then undone again by Labour. Rescued again by National/Act. Now being undone AGAIN by Labour.
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April 13, 2022 9:27am
- MCōs
  
  At the beginning of 2000 when inflation was 1.3%p.a. the Governor of the Reserve Bank, Don Brash, raised the OCR to 5.25%.
  Later in the year it went to 6.5%
  
  Today the figures are more or less reversed.
  
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  April 13, 2022 4:21pm
  - bjools
    
    listened to an economist earlier.
    He was suggesting that for the OCR had to be higher than inflation, in order to be effective in controlling inflation.
    So here that means OCR higher than 7.9%, retail in double digits.
    Here we go again….must be a Labour govt.
    
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    April 13, 2022 7:04pm
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/12/poll-nevada-senate-republican-candidate-adam-laxalt-leads-democrat-sen-cortez-masto/

Normally getting into a war helps the incumbent’s party. Obviously not. Based on polls underwater in Georgia and now Nevada
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April 13, 2022 9:33am
- bjools
  
  PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP PROUDLY ENDORSES ADAM LAXALT.
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:45am
Diogenes

I’m wondering to what degree there will be a changing of the guard in this year’s local body elections? I don’t keep up a great deal with happenings in cities outside Christchurch (I’m old enough to be permitted to be parochial), but we’ve got Phil Goff and Liane Dalziel confirmed as stepping down, I’d have thought Tim Shadbolt was a gonner, Tauranga won’t be having an election. Is Andy likely to hold it in Wellington? Who else is shaky? And what, if anything, does it portend? Just curious.
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April 13, 2022 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well there’s obviously some change happening in the Wellington Green camp….
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/wellington-city-councillor-iona-pannett-blames-heritage-vs-housing-division-after-dumping-from-green-ticket.html
  
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  April 13, 2022 12:13pm
  - rouppe
    
    Got an Iraqi refugee in Wellington on the Labour ticket.
    
    Te Tiriti o Waitangi is something she holds “close to [her] heart” and would factor into every decision, she said.
    
    Mmm hmmm….
    
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    April 13, 2022 3:27pm
    - Batman
      
      Perhaps when you come from a part of the world where sectarian and ethnic violence is very real, the benefits of such a treaty are suddenly a lot more real and valuable
      
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      April 13, 2022 3:40pm
      - rouppe
        
        Benefits to whom?
        
        You know how in Islam (inc Iraq) a woman’s word is worth half that of a man? How about a non Maori vote being worth 40% of a Maori vote in Rotorua?
        
        That’s a Labour push. So it seems she doesn’t think the sectarianism is so bad after all
        
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        April 13, 2022 6:02pm
- ecco
  
  It’s a concern if Collins mobilises the South Auckland vote. He’s a worse redistribution wonk than Ardern. Wants free public transport – yeah right
  
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  April 13, 2022 12:37pm
Rusty

Got a letter in my mail box from a Jehovah’s witness thanking me for a friendly conversation I had with him at the door sometime ago– I don’t recall meeting this person in the first place and neither did he mention my name.

I thought this religious group were fearless people prepared to defy govt directives on their lives i.e witnessing door to door during covid restrictions and even now.

Of course this letter explained their reasons for non-personal contacts — safety precautions and a invitation to view their website and beliefs.

Strangely they have labelled the UN, WHO, and even govts as enemies of God but this letter sounded quite compliant to them.
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April 13, 2022 10:01am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I read where a drug dealer in Mangere started dressing up as a Jehovah’s Witness to avoid suspicion.
  He was arrested when police saw people letting him in.
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:10am
  - cjn
    
    Yes! That happened in Black Books! The witnesses were gobsmacked when that drunken Irishman wanted to talk about Jesus. “Our Lord! What a great guy!”
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will this happen in NZ?
I have some Jaspinda “Let’s Tax This” and “I Did This” stickers c/- the Taxpayer’s Union.
I guess this will give the woke Police something to do, other than investigate a burglary.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/video-pennsylvania-man-tackled-arrested-after-placing-biden-i-did-that-stickers-on-gas-pump/?
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April 13, 2022 10:06am
MCōs

This bloke just died
https://twitter.com/dannyderaney/status/1514001342615875585?s=21&t=h-iCetPpWmLnQqGii-B2Tw
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April 13, 2022 10:19am
Maggie Pie

NEWS FLASH….

Auckland Police make arrest in case of ram-raid on Gucci store.

https://youtu.be/44x4KhvAiWc
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April 13, 2022 11:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who knew that Nanaia Mahuta’s sister will head the new Maori Health Authority?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/absolutely-no-logic-in-a-separate-maori-health-authority
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April 13, 2022 11:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  She likes keeping it in the family 😀
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:30am
  - bjools
    
    Nepotism?
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:04pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Many a true word spoken in cest.
      
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      April 13, 2022 12:37pm
    - Stacey H
      
      What is it called when you marry your 1st cousin?
      
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      April 13, 2022 1:28pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        normal for pakistan?
        
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        April 13, 2022 1:41pm
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    Maggie, I’m sure Nanaia can’t even spell nepotism.
    
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    April 13, 2022 12:31pm
- westernScientist
  
  I am so glad someone who understands modern science will be in charge:
  
  https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/waikato-taniwharau-interactive/video-featuring-tipa-mahuta.html
  
  sciencelearn.org.nz is a government produced education website
  
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  April 13, 2022 11:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    In keeping with the direction of our present Minister of Science and Research
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/proud-be-backing-m%C4%81tauranga-m%C4%81ori-scientific-research
    
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    April 13, 2022 2:11pm
- Nickc2
  
  I hope she doesn’t see it as a life-long career.
  Don’t forget, ACT and National are going to get rid of this effin racist institution.
  
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  April 13, 2022 12:35pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Tipa Mahuta is also the Chair of the Maori advisory board for the NZ water regulation authority:
  
  https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz/about/our-team/maori-advisory-group/
  
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  April 13, 2022 1:17pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    As I’ve said before, Russia has its oligarchs and we have our tribal elite. If you are close to Mahuta good things will come your way.
    
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    April 13, 2022 2:45pm
oldfella

Gee, who would have seen this coming? /s
Sam Elliott Caves to the Woke Mob, Apologizes for Bashing ‘Gay’ (Kiwi) Western
https://pjmedia.com/culture/matt-margolis/2022/04/11/sam-elliott-caves-to-the-woke-mob-apologizes-for-bashing-gay-western-n1588734
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April 13, 2022 11:37am
oldfella

I’ve been looking for the obligatory “White Supremist Hate Crime” headlines following the NY subway shootings… but I guess they will have to wait a bit longer.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5107051/brooklyn-shooting-new-york-suspect-subway/
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April 13, 2022 12:04pm
- rouppe
  
  The lack of specifics did have me wondering.
  
  Lone wolf, no affiliations, not radicalised, move on…
  
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  April 13, 2022 3:22pm
bjools

I see Biden is traveling, to promote Ethanol added to fuel.
3 things,
didn’t/don’t the Greens promote this?
I hear, that it increases the pollution produced, is that true?
Isn’t the production of this ethanol, produced via biofuels.
Linking the price of fuel to the price of food and vice versa.
With massive inflation in both these areas (world wide), this can only mean a disaster is looming.
Due to Biden’s refusal to achieve energy independence again and drive the price of international fuel down.
This would rob the despots of their primary income.
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April 13, 2022 12:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kindness exemplified by our Dear Government

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300559985/covid19-no-compassion-in-miq-fee-waiver-process-grieving-widow-says
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April 13, 2022 12:27pm
Master Mariner

So with this Governments new motto ” The land of un-intended consequences”

Here’s the latest,
“It has been entirely imported since early last year, after Marsden Point oil refinery stopped making 100,000-120,000t a year within a month of an NZTA committee receiving a “sudden” warning in December 2020 that it would stop, a paper to the agency’s board showed.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nzta-taking-control-of-nzs-supply-of-bitumen-for-roading/J2Z7TJSBDNWJE4ZFZQKEGISA3I/

Is this really a “Scorched Earth” policy?

I mean you really could not try and destroy a country in such a short time as this lot ?
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April 13, 2022 12:52pm
All_on_Red

Oh dear, looks like Disney pushing the false narrative which was the ‘don’t say gay’ nonsense has backfired on them.
The Groomers on KB (you know who you are) should note that parents don’t really want Teachers discussing their sex lives with 4-7 year olds.
‘Nearly 7 in 10 Americans, upset with Disney’s embrace of the LGBTQ movement, no longer want to do “business” with Mickey Mouse and instead will seek out “family-friendly alternatives,” according to a new survey shared with Secrets.

The latest data said that 68.2% of voters are now “less likely to do business with Disney.” Of those, 57.2% are “much less likely” to buy from the entertainment giant known for its kid-friendly parks and movies.’
Bi-partisan support too.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/americans-turn-back-on-disney-after-lgbtq-embrace
Get woke, go broke.
If someone wants Legislation stopped which prevents Grooming, surely that makes their enabling Grooming also.
What a bunch of creeps.
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April 13, 2022 1:11pm
- MCōs
  
  “parents don’t really want Teachers discussing their sex lives”
  Personally I don’t want to hear about the sex lives of anyone.
  When I went to school I most certainly didn’t hear about, nor did I want to hear about the sex lives of the nuns & priests that taught us.
  I remember one of the boys at primary school showing everyone when he started to grow some pubic hair!
  I suppose in parts of America he’d be arrested or whatever now.
  
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  April 13, 2022 5:59pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…
Outgoing Auckland Mayor Phil Goof warns of possible funding-cuts to the city’s next KIWIFIST event……

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/bernard-orsman/

(Scroll down to read Bernie’s full report)
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April 13, 2022 1:18pm
- Frank the tank
  
  I’m sure poor man’s Gordon Brown will come along with some emergency funding Mags.
  
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  April 13, 2022 1:37pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He clearly wants to stir shit.
  
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  April 13, 2022 3:33pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  What is needed is a Mayor to go in and go through the budget line by line.
  
  Starts with all the Council support for things like the Big Gay Out, The Pasifika Festival etc etc.
  
  Then go through the feather bedded employees etc etc
  
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  April 13, 2022 7:44pm
Tauhei Notts

Lunch time, and somehow the Tv was still on the parliamentary channel.
I was watched a political programme from 31 years ago hosted by Lindsay Perigo and featuring Bob Jones, Michael Bassett, Ian Scherer and Bert Walker.
It is mind blowing how the standard of our Tv interviews has plummeted in the past 30 years. When Bob called Bert’s defence of Muldoon, “balderdash”, I thought that in 2022 one could not say that to another panellist, particularly if that other panellist was female or Maori; such a comment would be deemed to be sexist, misogynistic or racist.
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April 13, 2022 1:24pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  When competing views were recognised and aired before media corruption and mindlessness took over. A time long gone.
  
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  April 13, 2022 3:52pm
- MCōs
  
  Why.
  As long as he explained his reasoning
  
  These days if someone said ‘balderdash’ the others would has laughed at the quaintness of the exclamation!
  
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  April 13, 2022 5:48pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Offensive to bald people?
    
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    April 13, 2022 10:55pm
All_on_Red

Latest Polling shows the trend of Hispanics moving away from the Democrats towards the GOP continues.
‘Support for Democrats is sinking like a rock across all demographics. A recent NBC poll shows a 30-point shift among “Hispanics, no degree” toward the GOP since 2018, a finding that should be resonating across Democrat politics with earth-shaking urgency. It’s not.’
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/04/nbc-poll-30-point-shift-toward-gop-in-hispanic-congressional-preference/

Interesting results. Huge swing by Men with College Degrees also but note that support by Women with Degrees is still high for the Democrats.
Rather like the support we see here from many women for the LIAR Ardern.
What’s wrong with them? Cant think for themselves?
Anyway , if Hispanics keep leaving then the Dems could end up being the minority Party within a decade.
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April 13, 2022 1:28pm
- rjay
  
  Different degrees I imagine. Engineering v Communications or something.
  
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  April 13, 2022 1:48pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    As I’ve said before, women don’t study STEM other than medicine/nursimg. Most go into education, media, politics, law. They are the mainstay of woke/left/green/victimhood airhead politics.
    
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    April 13, 2022 3:49pm
I remember when

‘Credit where credit is due’ ie. it has been owing for a very long time.
Today Sharon Murdoch actually got to be ‘cutting edge’ and satirical.
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April 13, 2022 1:38pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

So more detailed analysis of NZ covid deaths has revealed only ~50 (10% of 500ish ‘death with covid’ to date) actually had covid causing death. But given that pre-omicron we had about 60 deaths from far more deadly delta + alpha, real deaths due to omicron are probably only a few percent of stated deaths ‘with covid’ – and omicron will likely kill less than 100 kiwis. far fewer than die in car crashes or of flu each year and totally statistically unnoticeable amongst normal yearly deaths.

End expensive insanity of all covid mitigation measures now.
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April 13, 2022 2:30pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “End expensive insanity of all covid mitigation measures now”
  
  In order to “Own Nothing an be Happy™” you first have to own nothing. The plandemic has had a crack at the ownership cessation thing, but it’s not been a great success this time around. Standby for some kind of repeat performance. The W.H.O. are on the case, as is your mate and mine, Heir Schwab.
  
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  April 13, 2022 4:11pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….

If Iain Lees-Galloway had to stand on HIS own two feet, would he be suitably qualified to work alongside his wife in a Kindergarten? (Wiki)

https://twitter.com/IainLG/status/1513970268011524097
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April 13, 2022 2:31pm
curry4me

https://www-nbcnewyork-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-lt-gov-brian-benjamin-arrested-for-alleged-campaign-finance-fraud-scheme-sources/3619365/?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16498024759290&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnewyork.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fny-lt-gov-brian-benjamin-arrested-for-alleged-campaign-finance-fraud-scheme-sources%2F3619365%2F
Another Dem Bites the Dust.

New York Lt. Gov. Brian Benjamin has resigned after he surrendered to authorities to face campaign finance fraud-related charges in connection with a past campaign, Gov. Kathy Hochul announced.
“I have accepted Brian Benjamin’s resignation effective immediately. While the legal process plays out, it is clear to both of us that he cannot continue to serve as Lieutenant Governor. New Yorkers deserve absolute confidence in their government, and I will continue working every day to deliver for them,” Hochul said in a statement Tuesday afternoon.
Following news of his resignation, Benjamin’s attorneys, James D. Gatta and William Harrington issued a statement calling his actions “laudable — not criminal.”
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April 13, 2022 2:35pm
curry4me

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/04/12/jim-jordan-vows-to-expose-joes-role-in-corrupt-biden-family-enterprise-1224888/
Jim Jordan vows to expose Joe’s role in corrupt Biden ‘family enterprise’.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) joined Fox News’ “Fox and Friends” Tuesday and said he believes President Joe Biden was most certainly involved in his son Hunter’s business dealings with foreign entities though the president predictably continues to deny it.
His statement comes on the heels of a House Oversight Committee’s call for further investigation into the text messages allegedly stored on Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop that was abandoned to a Wilmington, DE, repair shop in 2019. Also of interest are emails in which the 52-year-old complained of having to spend half of his salary to cover his father’s bills and other expenses. Both discoveries are among many instances noted by Republicans and conservative media that exposed the lie of Joe Biden’s claims he and his son have never talked about matters of business.
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April 13, 2022 2:35pm
- cjn
  
  Do you think that the missing data from Hunter Biden’s laptop are what is being protected in the steel works in Manupol? Or is it NATO trainers? Boris Johnson seems worried…
  
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  April 13, 2022 8:39pm
peterwn

Ha ha ha! If Air NZ had to stand on its own two feet, it would not have been around in 2011 (when Chris gained a job there) and Chris would have continued selling OMO (actually a very senior Unilever position involving much more than selling OMO) or found a high powered job elsewhere, almost certainly the latter.
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April 13, 2022 2:51pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Context?
  
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  April 13, 2022 3:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Check Maggie Pie’s link above
    
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    April 13, 2022 4:08pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thanks
      
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      April 13, 2022 4:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  C’mon pete….You’ve been here long enuff to know to clik ‘REPLY’
  
  SHEESH!!
  
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  April 13, 2022 5:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ever think that ‘conspiracy theories’ are just spoiler alerts?
A lot of stuff is becoming the truth, especially now proven lies from our Govt. No I am not going to list them – do your own research.
OK, just one: ‘No more new Taxes’ Should read ‘no more new taxes every day, but now every second day’
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April 13, 2022 3:11pm
- H. Upmann
  
  On conspiracy theories, try this for size — https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/12/was-covid19-a-re-branded-flu/
  
  IMHO – not a conspiracy theory. Fact.
  
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  April 13, 2022 6:01pm
Maggie Pie

TodayFM were discussing the pathetic 2 year-9 month sentence handed down to the thug who killed a guy with a coward-punch in Auckland city.

The Dudge gave him more discounts than you get at a Briscoes sale.
Early guilty plea, rough upbringing, druggie parents, not breast fed etc.

Txter into Mark said over 50% of babies born today are unwanted anyway.
Looking at the way this country is going, probably hard to disagree with that?
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April 13, 2022 4:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Soon, abortion will be ‘birth control’ medicine – or surgery.
Makes me sad to say this
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April 13, 2022 4:39pm
- MCōs
  
  Aside from instances of danger to the pregnancy causing some sort medical issues for the mother or baby it could be said abortion is birth control by definition.
  BTW
  Miscarriages of known pregnancies are far more common than abortions.
  
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  April 13, 2022 5:37pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Miscarriages can be due to problems with the fetus or mother and often the best for both.
    
    Abortions on the other hand do occur with healthy fetuses and healthy mothers.
    
    I read that 50% of pregnancies are unplanned. Poor sex education?
    
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    April 13, 2022 6:12pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was talking with his Private-Banker earlier.
He was telling him there’s a lot of recent home buyer’s out there about to feel the chill-wind of massive interest rate hikes.
Thousands who fixed for 24 months @ 2.95% will see that more than double over the next few months. You can expect a wave of mortgagee-sales in the 1 – 2 million bracket….there will be a bargains to be had for those with cash to splash.

Those existing homeowners, who own properties where their current CV’s exceed 5 million, will not be affected. Very few have mortgages anyway.
In fact they can look forward to even more substantial increases, as billions more flood out of Honkers and into the high-end property market.

Happy days 😀
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April 13, 2022 6:33pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  All those overextended mortgagees will be politically too big to fail – govt (likely with willing assistance of banks) will inevitably step in with some measure to prevent the idiots in question being foreclosed on.
  
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  April 13, 2022 7:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you see the article in ‘One Roof’ where house prices in Mt Roskill dropped by $166,000 (about 12%)….months before the OCR even came out.
    I predicted that would happen over two years ago.
    
    Couldn’t see the gubmint stepping in there tbh?
    
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    April 13, 2022 8:17pm
Maggie Pie

We were watching 1Ewes earlier.
They showed a pic of the suspect in the NY Subway shooting.
Turns out he’s a Black guy by the name of… Frank James.
Another ‘hate-crime’ by the sound of things 🙁

As my partner said… “lets see how long it takes the media to make it go away”.
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April 13, 2022 7:50pm
krazykiwi

AirNZ drops vaxx requirement. Well done, but what took them so long?
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April 13, 2022 8:26pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Government main shareholder, government main source of cash to prop them up. Any other questions?
  
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  April 14, 2022 11:33am
kiwikidsnz

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/employment-court-customs-doesnt-know-what-tikanga-principles-it-breached-in-sacking-worker/4ZVL3ZGDJ5WOZA57AQGKDDFUGQ/

“The worker, whose name and identifying details are suppressed, was dismissed for failing to get vaccinated against Covid-19. He recently announced he would challenge the case using principles of Māori customs and how they related to the workplace.

Part of the former employee’s claim was that Customs failed to act in accordance with tikanga principles relevant to the employment relationship, including its own whanonga pono (values).”
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- krazykiwi
  
  Woke vs woke with maximum prejudice. Popcorn please.
  
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