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mikenmildagain

Happy World Health Day!
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April 7, 2022 8:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The world is the sickest it’s been for several decades, sorry for not wanting to celebrate that failure
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:16am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Help … I’ve just realised Kiwiblog posts aren’t arriving in my INBOX, and haven’t for a couple of days now. Anyone else having a similar issue .. and know why??
    
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    April 7, 2022 6:00pm
    - Hebe123
      
      Same
      
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      April 7, 2022 7:04pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        same
        
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        April 8, 2022 7:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have noticed the articles are no longer showing up in email
      
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      April 7, 2022 10:07pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The very best of health to you as well mikenmild.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:17am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And the very same to you.
    
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    April 7, 2022 8:20am
- Simon
  
  World health eh? If there was something wrong with the corona jaxxs would they either admit to it? Or does the evidence have to be so overwhelming?
  
  Good luck to all the jaxxed. Mean that most sincerely.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:38am
- Rusty
  
  milk — is that due to the World Health Organisation being formed this day in 1948?
  
  The WHO in my view is the most marxist/ anti-democratic organisation ever established. Current head Tedros is carrying on that tradition.
  
  They have never eradicated any disease or health problem in this world. The West have done that for them.
  
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  April 7, 2022 1:41pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Tell that to the exhausted St. Ash of Wellington.
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:44pm
Warren

Covid-19 Omicron outbreak : Leaked memories questions over Ministry of Healths daily Covid-19 case numbers.
A leading Epidemiologist says we have no idea of how many cases of Covid-19 there are in New Zealand because so many people aren’t recording their Rapid Antigen Test (RAT) Results.
Auckland University Professor Rod JacksonsYs a upgrade of the system and my covid record is desperately needed this after memo released states: ‘The MoH shared the folling with us this week: in the last month we have distributed 50 million RATS into the system and so far less than 1 million results have been reported’.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-leaked-memo-raises-questions-over-ministry-of-healths-daily-covid-19-case-numbers/MIGGC55ZQRABXOCWZSNPUPWKBQ/
So I would like to know if science is the answer to stopping this virus and letting the public resume a normal lifestyle like Jacinda Ardern keeps telling us how could she lie to NewZealander’s on how she and her Government came to the decision that the Country needed to remain in red for two more weeks .
How can our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern use science to justify her decision when science never had the correct numbers to give her that answer.
Know wonder three of the top people in the Ministry of Health have resigned why would they need to get tied up in this Government’s web of lies.
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April 7, 2022 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Socialists do not relinquish their control easily.
  Do as I say you bastard peasants
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:28am
  - Aurelia
    
    Socialist and Commies only give up power at the end of a rifle.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      First they come for your guns …..
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:41pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  Perhaps the entire Labour Party should line for this show starting later this month on Netflix:
  https://www.netflix.com/nz/title/81326202
  Bullsh*t The Gameshow
  US TV Shows
  Contestants strive to correctly answer difficult trivia questions. And when they can’t, they simply move on to plan B: lying through their teeth.
  Honesty may be a virtue, but on this game show hosted by Emmy nominee Howie Mandel, it’s never the best policy.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:46am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Talking about another sh*t show, the CCP are herding up citizens who are protesting about the lockdowns in Shanghai using drones equipped with loudspeakers. It’s Bladerunner on steroids
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:11am
    - coge
      
      It’s looking more and more that the CCP are conditioning their urban populations to tolerate more and more arbitrary state impositions. What could be the ultimate purpose of that?
      
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      April 7, 2022 10:25am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      This guy lived in Ch in a for 14 years. His videos are very good eye openers to life in Ch in A .
      
      Covid just Hit Ch in a Really Hard – They Can’t Hide it This Time! March 16th, 2022:
      
      https://odysee.com/@serpentza:5/covid-just-hit-china-really-hard-they:d
      
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      April 7, 2022 4:33pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  As is becoming clear to most, this is not and was never about health. The sooner we all comprehend that the sooner we start working out how to fix a very badly damaged system of governance.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:51am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes indeed, Once that realisation sets in to general population then only then can we look at the response through a clear lens.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:53am
  - mawm
    
    Don’t be so negative, Luxon, who is keeping his powder dry, will make it all work better. //s
    
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    April 7, 2022 1:53pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  A couple of weeks ago I had a late one at the local in Dunedin, out of 10 sitting with me, 7 have had covid, and none had recorded their result, also tradies are saying if I get the sniffles, I won’t do a test, and the way you are treated by this rotten regime, I can understand that
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:54am
  - rouppe
    
    That’s going to be my approach as well
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:38am
    - curry4me
      
      I think the “I won’t do a test” response has become very common. I think many here know someone who is in that category.
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:22pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        My mate owns his own small business, he is a tradie, he said he won’t test, because it will create all sorts of problems for him for a week, and if a family member goes down, then he has to self isolate, then if he catches it at the end of the week, his business suffers for two weeks
        
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        April 7, 2022 10:10pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “The MoH shared the following with us this week: in the last month we have distributed 50 million RATs into the system and so far less than 1 million results have been reported.” and:
  “Jackson said the fact that so many people are not recording their Covid-19 RAT results means the Ministry of Health’s daily case numbers are meaningless”
  
  Need to remember that the likes of Forbes (the reporter!), Jackson and MoH are not the brightest tools in the shed – our household has had a supply of 20 RATs sitting around for about 6 weeks – use not needed – yet!
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:00am
- Overworked
  
  She is, as always, not giving her real reasons.
  
  Her real reason for keeping us at red is the very low booster rates of Maori and Pacifica populations. We have to wait for them to catch up because Labour believes that they are all slightly simple children who cannot be trusted to make an informed decision for themselves.
  
  And of course, the fourth dose is now being considered for approval. This situation could loop endlessly.
  
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  April 7, 2022 7:27pm
Tricati

A number of nauseating articles are appearing raising Ashley Bloomfield to ‘saint status’, which is pathetic given he is a well-paid public servant doing his job.
No mention in the articles of the measles epidemic that was poorly handled and impacted Samoa, or the meningitis debacle in Northland, lack of PPE, insufficient vaccine supply, confiscating business RAT supplies due to MOH not ordering in time, a poorly implemented and performing ‘Tracing System’ and the list goes on.
It is no wonder that the research released this morning shows a further 10% drop in belief in our media. With articles like that below, and the lack of real scrutiny of our public servants, its no wonder we are in bad shape as a country.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/sir-ashley-a-knighthood-could-be-next-for-director-general-of-health-dr-bloomfield.html
I also see Barry Soper has reduced his chances of a Christmas Card from Ardern with his article on what he sees as the reasons behind Bloomfield and other leaving the MOH – I think Soper is on to the real reasons but we will never know.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/barry-soper-why-there-was-no-point-sticking-around-for-ashley-bloomfield/OSLFTGIDSO5WL5VXVO57X6D2BM/
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April 7, 2022 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Revolting rubbish like this?
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/live-i-ve-done-everything-i-set-out-to-do-dr-bloomfield-s-shock-resignation-ardern-pays-tribute/ar-AAVTF2J?
    
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    April 7, 2022 8:30am
- Simon
  
  Bloomfield eh? Medical administration out of the third world. Living standards and quality falling fast in the West. Third world response to covid no wonder they have to make him a saint to cover up all the failures.
  
  Record turnip yield Comrades, turnips for everyone!
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:42am
- ecco
  
  Soper is improving with age. Respect him for putting his professional life on the line every day. Must be Heather’s influence!
  That angle on Soper’s reports on the Ashley resignation are clearly coming from Ashley IMHO.
  Ashley just letting everyone know what happened.
  
  BTW disagree with that Lynch woman on 3 news last night saying that Bloomfield will be highly sought after on the international scene. How is she qualified to critique Bloomfield’s CV?? She’s just a reporter.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:52am
  - Yabster
    
    she is not just a reporter – she was Toxics understudy so has learnt from the very worst…
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:49am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    She should report news not report her opinions.
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Soper snd his missus were both part of the we hate Nats regime while Bridges, Muller and Collins were the leader, they never gave any reason for their venom, you can only guess that Peters friendship with both was guiding their vulgar hatred, now , like a flash of Cindy’s magic wand, Luxon seems to be fine, and Labour are the assholes we all knew they were, bugger Doper snd his new hound ridicule of Cindy, she got away scot free for years, that Peters has a lot to answer for.
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:38am
    - Warren
      
      I am no fan of Barry Soper but he went after Jacinda when Simon Bridges was the Leader and step it up when the sexual predator out of Jacinda Arderns office when that hit the headlines and he went after Trevor Mallard of the false allegations of a sexual predator apparently being in Parliament work force which ha cost the taxpayer over 200 thousand dollars and that’s a lot more than most Journalists in this Governments pocket have done, I think your being a bit harsh on both actually.
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:27pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Maybe, but he was hot on everything Nats for 4 years, now he does not rubbish them one bit, it’s something yo do with his bestie Peters
        
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        April 7, 2022 10:12pm
- Raphael
  
  A friend wrote a good post that even if we accept his actions saved lives, it doesn’t change the fact that Bloomfield actively trampled all over our basic human rights in doing so.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:56am
  - Matthew
    
    And his inactions also cost lives, e.g. No anti-virals.
    
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    April 7, 2022 12:19pm
    - mawm
      
      I don’t think that he had a free hand to do what was necessary. The MoH’s in various countries don’t simultaneously discard well thought out pandemic plans for the rubbish hoisted on us.
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:59pm
- Paulus
  
  With the three top MOH people going I am told that this is because come 1st July all Health becomes Maori controlled.
  Would you as DG of Health want to stay to be told how your job is to be reorganised by unelected people.
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:01am
- alloytoo
  
  Barry appears to be on a serious offensive against this regime. Clearly becoming a father recently has given him focus.
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:42am
  - Sacha
    
    Becoming the father of a son, seems to change some men – look at our host as another example. 🙃
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Having Grandchildren also works the same.
      Waiting for great Grandchildren, before I kick the bucket, dunno
      
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      April 7, 2022 4:01pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Our Bazza has been a father for many years
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:34pm
Mr_Blobby

So after creating an economic and social crisis, the health RATS are leaving a sinking ship.

I don’t see any signs of the Tyrant and her clown circus moving on.

I would like to think that our economy has been on hold for the last 2 years and that we are about 18 months behind everybody else, reality is that we have dug our selves into a hole and there is a debt mountain waiting to bury us.

Does anybody know how we get the 6% inflation figure, because I can’t see it.

The biggest household expense is rent or mortgage , rents have gone up interest rates have doubled.

Think about that million dollar mortgage 2.5% $25,000 5% $50,000 a 100% increase. Will probably go much higher.

Petrol $150 to fill tank to $250 a 66% increase

Food $200 per week to $250 a 25% increase

Not to mention everything else increasing.

So how do we get to only 6% inflation, how can the Prime Minister get up on national TV and say we dont have a cost of living crisis, somebody is taking the piss right.

The problem is TAX, 45% of our GDP, that’s the countries turnover jacinda, is TAX and an awful lot more of it is going to be required to pay for all grants borrowing and money creation.
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April 7, 2022 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She’s not listening to you, she is ignoring you.
  Actually she is ignoring all of the peasants, and does not give a shit. Entering stage two of forced Socialist control
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:34am
  - Pavel
    
    The way she handled the Wellington protests was a clear indication of her ignorance. Agree with the protesters or not, they had a right to be heard. The way in which she chooses to ignore people is going to bite her in the arse big time.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sooner the better for NZ
      
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      April 7, 2022 9:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Mcalnay leaving the same day suggests something rotten is up, Angry Andy is rotten all over it
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:55am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes if I was Ashley, I would be out of there asap. Imagine working with / for Andrew Little.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Dr McElnay leaves the Ministry today.
    She put in her resignation in February.
    
    The new broom has been sweeping all away for months.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  higher interest rates for mortgages will be slow to feed into average living costs because they are typically fixed for several years at a time. But do expect a lot of personal devastation (and associated wailing) over coming 2-3 years as rates skyrocket and people have to somehow fund 2 or even 3x the interest
  
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  April 7, 2022 5:44pm
Tomtoddy

Here is a serious question. Today’s Ferald has an article on Three Waters containing this statement – “There’s decades (and, arguably, centuries) of evidence showing iwi manage assets well and in the long-term interest”. Where is the evidence? For many years a few Māori leaders and the occasional non-Māori make this claim and it has somehow established itself. Is it not true that Māori were responsible for the decimation of several species, burnt large areas indiscriminately, plundered shellfish at an estuary and then moved to another?

If Māori are to be given an equal, or in some situations a controlling say over assets should not there be some honest research and checking of the claim? The debacle at Lake Waikaremoana isn’t a good start. A high percentage of people caught over fishing look suspiciously Māori. But they may be unfair examples. Shouldn’t we be asking tough questions and having an open and honest discussion on this matter before we blithely hand over control of a huge number of vitally important assets?

I still do not understand who “Māori” are in this context. Can someone who is 1/32nd Maori grab some top highly paid job with huge influence because they put their hand up?
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April 7, 2022 8:03am
- Swifty
  
  We are being openly lied to.
  
  I’m seeing it constantly these days.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have been able to see it constantly from the beginning, Ardern has to lie on every issue, the funny thing is, she is a poor liar, eyes looking skyward, nervous twitches, she would fail a lie detector even if telling the truth the way she wears her sleeve.
    
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    April 7, 2022 8:58am
- pdm
  
  A lot of Maori Land on the East Coast, say Wairoa north was very high producing blackerry and gorse land in the late 70]s early 80’s when I lived in the area.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:12am
  - kevn
    
    @pdm… Manuka? Valuable cover now for the oil and honey.
    
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    April 7, 2022 8:39am
- Frank the tank
  
  “There’s decades (and, arguably, centuries) of evidence showing iwi manage assets well and in the long-term interest”
  
  Lake Waikaremoana says hi.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, just imagine, we could be able to order Kentucky Fried Moa Legs if Maori hadn’t wiped them out.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:15am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Show us the evidence then!
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:16am
    - Frank the tank
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300456239/lake-waikaremoana-and-its-great-walk-have-been-closed-for-months-as-thoe-say-the-relationship-with-the-crown-has-failed
      
      Too easy.
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:05pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    That and the fact that science from Antarctica shows that great areas of NZ were burnt in the early settlement years……geological science tells no lies.
    Then of course we could also speak of the elephant no longer in the room, the Moa et al……..
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:35am
    - Frank the tank
      
      But, But, But Maui discovered the Antarctic!!!!!
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:06pm
- Scott
  
  Tom toddy – very good questions. Maori people showed a great deal of entrepreneurship when the first white people came to New Zealand. They supplied food to the first settlers and traded produce for nails and muskets and blankets. They also showed a lot of initiative in warfare. In response to muskets they developed a system of trenches and such innovations as the use of flax wrapped around wooden fences to absorb the impact of musket balls. On the other hand they practised cannibalism until 1842 and were slaveowners until at least that time. They killed the moa and the Haast Eagle when they weren’t killing each other. The musket wars of the early 19th century claimed something like 30,000 Maori lives out of a total population of 120,000.
  
  So they were wasteful of the resources that they had. And we note that the New Zealand farm, New Zealand industry and New Zealand cities are the product of Western civilisation. So the idea that Maori are particularly good at managing assets appears to be a fact free claim.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:18am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Remind me how Tainui’s tenure as owners of the Warriors league team ended…
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:18am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The same way as every other owner of the Warriors? No sporting success, lost money, and power struggles?
    
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    April 7, 2022 8:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Addressing your first paragraph, tom.
  Yes, the first Maori, like the first humans in any ecosystem in the world, inflicted vast damage to the indigenous fauna and flora. By the time of first contact with Europeans, Maori had indeed developed considerable experience of managing the (modified) environment. That approach was largely destroyed by European colonisation, which inflicted even heavier damage on the natural environment, in a shorter timeframe, and which is still ongoing. In many parts of the country, Maori have sought to reinstate their guardianship of resources of particular importance to them. This does not mean that all Maori are specially invested in protecting the environment, any more than all European New Zealanders are particularly invested in maintaining the rue of law, for example.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “By the time of first contact with Europeans, Maori had indeed developed considerable experience of managing the (modified) environment”
    
    Tell that to the Moa, the Haast Eagle, and the thousands of Kaui tree that filled what is now the Hutt Valley.
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:00am
    - Mike
      
      By the time of first contact, Moa and the Haast Eagle were already extinct. I don’t think Kauri trees ever grew in the Hutt Valley before European settlement, but those settlers certainly did cut down nearly all the trees in the valley and surrounding hills.
      Was there some point you were trying to make?
      
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      April 7, 2022 11:06am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Re your Moa assertions Mike. Has the strong stench of wacko-demics rewriting history to suit the woke narrative. As they do all the time.
        
        The super-spiritual all-knowing superior masters of ecology and all that wishful-thinking based narrative. All this just degrades the trust in the institutions that host these wishful-thinking woke propagandists.
        
        The point is obviously that Maori were not the ecological wonder people that the woke try to pretend they were. Were the euro settlers any better in that regard? Possibly not, but nobody is pretending they had some in-built ecological superiority.
        
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        April 7, 2022 2:34pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Kauri grew as far south in the North Island as far as the Kaiamai range between Waikato & the Bay of Plenty. There are remains of Kauri dams from the early days of settlement behind Katikati and Tauranga- – but no sign of Kauri in the Papamoa hills between Tauranga and Te Puke. Kauri were planted there at a later date by the early (pakeha) settlers as the climate warmed. 🙂
        
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        April 7, 2022 3:04pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        “By the time of first contact, Moa and the Haast Eagle were already extinct”
        
        No. Maori arrived circa 1280. Moa, an easy-to-catch, high fat content food source were hunted to extinction in 1400’s. The Haast Eagle died out a couple of decades later.
        
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        April 7, 2022 3:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Uptick sonny, for your knowledge.
        
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        April 7, 2022 4:09pm
      - Mike
        
        krazykiwi
        ‘First contact’ means first contact with Europeans. Moa and eagle were long gone by then.
        
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        April 7, 2022 4:57pm
    - Ehlana
      
      krazy, that is the point mikemild is making. Humans tend to damage new ecosystems when they move into them (whether they are the first settlers or later conquerors). It is always some time before they adapt, come to value their new home and preserve it as suits them. Maori did this, so have non-Maori.
      
      The problem that gives us in considering co-governance is this: if ultimate control (sovereignty) is relinquished to a group of Maori whose accountability is not established, what assurance can there be that they will act, now or in the future, in the best interests of the environment or the general population of New Zealand?
      
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      April 7, 2022 11:08am
  - rouppe
    
    If Maori had indeed developed considerable experience of managing the (modified) environment, why was there still continued raiding and conquest?
    
    Such as Te Rauparaha moving down from Kawhia to the Wellington region in the 1820’s killing the local people there
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:01am
    - Mike
      
      You are referring to the musket wars. There might be a clue in that title to point you to an important development that affected Maori life in NZ.
      
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      April 7, 2022 11:55am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The desire to do mass slaughter if the opportunity arose?
        
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        April 7, 2022 4:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maori populations started defending their lands/crops sometime around the 16th Century.
        
        Hence over 7000 pā (Fortified settlements) in the North Island.
        
        https://radiocarbondating.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/405368/Otaahu-Pa.pdf
        
        Clearly some groups of people had exhausted their food supplies and were out to grab someone else’s goodies…. long before muskets arrived on the scene.
        
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        April 7, 2022 5:21pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Pray tell me one thing Maori have maintained in it’s original condition ever since they arrived in NZ and caused all original human inhabitants to become extinct.
    They couldn’t even preserve their own original language FFS.
    IMO, everything that is modern Maori is either stolen, gifted, or acquired through assumed right.
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:53am
    - Mike
      
      Not inclined to answer a question predicated on an obviously false premise.
      
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      April 7, 2022 11:57am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      No culture is perfect. It’s not about trashing old cultures. It’s about facing the world we now all find ourselves in and making NZ the most live-able for all NZ citizens, regardless of race or racial heritage.
      
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      April 7, 2022 4:10pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Next you’ll tell me the treatment of the Mororis was just a great misunderstanding……
    
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    April 7, 2022 1:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We are being shown an example of how not to manage assets
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:36am
- Oskar
  
  Yes the Maori did manage the land in their long term interest. They burned some 40% of the forest to clear ground for crops and for bracken to grow as the root was a major food source. Repeat fires would stop the forest regenerating. In other words they behaved like human settlers world-wide, they exploited the resource to the maximum – following from Te Ara
  “Sediment records show a huge increase in charcoal and bracken spores around the 13th and 14th centuries. At the same time, there was a massive decline in pollen from forest trees, marking a striking and devastating change: up to 40% of the forest was burnt within 200 years of Māori settling in New Zealand. Radiocarbon dating shows that deforestation began at the same time throughout the country. There are also many archaeological sites dating from this time.”
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:07am
  - Mike
    
    Yes. The point about katiakitanga is notabout what Maori did in the imediate aftermath of settlement, but the systems of resource management they developed subsequently.
    An analogy would be a faulty crticism that a contemporary farmer would be incapable of sustainably managing a farm because his great-grandfather had cleared all the bush and drained all the swamp on it 140 years ago.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:12am
    - Frank the tank
      
      The point about katiakitanga IS IT IS A BUNCH OF ARSE.
      
      There fixed it for you.
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:08pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Neolithic agriculture. OK. Fine. It was what it was. You work with what knowledge of the world you have at the time.
      
      Efficient? World’s best practice in regards the world we now find ourselves in?
      
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      April 7, 2022 4:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Some human populations have been able to live and tend their land for thousands of years…
      
      Repeat firing of pumice lands, kauri podzolic soils /gumlands (i.e. much of the northern North Island) without the addition of fertiliser (organic material & minerals) is a recipe for disaster.
      
      Chinese discovered the value of shit centuries ago.
      
      http://www.ecosanres.org/pdf_files/Nanning_PDFs/Eng/Luo%20Shiming%2010_C11rev.pdf
      
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      April 7, 2022 4:45pm
      - Mike
        
        True. Many cultures have made disastrous changes to their environments. Many cultures have thrived after adapting to their environments.
        I am sure you will agree with me that there is nothing especially peculiar about Maori in this regard. Many Kiwibloggers seem to want to portray Maori as somehow lesser than other peoples on account of how they affected, and adapted to, the NZ environment. Strange.
        
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        April 7, 2022 5:06pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I don’t think anyone would judge pre-European Maori harshly in the context of their being paleolithic hunter gatherers and farmers with all the normal destruction of ill-adapted mega fauna and endemic warfare that typified such societies throughout the world in history.
        
        What is intolerable is the bullshit pretense of some special wonderfulness, enlightenment or exceptionality to their culture in contrast to others, when all the evidence clearly shows they were extremely violent, misogynistic, rapacious, and environmentally destructive with a big side dish of slavery and anthropophagism, just the same as almost all other paleolithic cultures. Not special.
        
        It’s actually notable how backwards their cultural development was in not having adopted efficient projectile weapons like spears or archery (or slings) which have been around for at least 500000 years and 60000 years respectively. On the other hand polynesian sea voyaging – to south america and back with kumara, and as far afield as madagascar is incredibly impressive.
        
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        April 7, 2022 6:08pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    This pattern is replicated around the world. When a society’s focus is at the bottom of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs there is little if any care for the environment. Any and all resources are consumed for survival. As improved wealth and security allow the society’s focus to move upwards the care for environment (really resource management) becomes possible. The reverse happens too, as evidenced when the once highly cultured Venezuelans resorting to eating zoo animals.
    
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    April 7, 2022 12:28pm
- Aurelia
  
  If MAF wasn’t on to them Mardi would also decimate the shell fish in this country too.
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:24am
- backster
  
  TomT……Yep and so could their children 1/64th maori yet somehow that family will all have a life expectancy 8 years lower than someone with no maori ancestry so they should get the pension earlier.
  
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  April 7, 2022 1:29pm
Tomtoddy

Beggar me. The Ferald writes…. “The job of the fourth estate is not to take a position and tell anyone what to believe; it is to ask questions and report the answers, and investigate as far as possible and report evidence that may show whether those answers are truthful and comprehensive.

In other words, journalists are not endowed with special powers of insight by dint of their profession – though some may be uncommonly perceptive – and they should not be expected to take either a particularly antagonistic or obsequious stance in order to be seen to be doing their job well”

Practise what you preach, bro. You are way, way past that noble aim.
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April 7, 2022 8:04am
- graham
  
  Oh, how I wish the Herald – and NZ journalists in general – actually believed this.
  
  Because there are an awful lot of articles that show that sentiment to be something that is completely ignored by our media. The headlines alone tend to make it very clear what position the article is taking.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:21am
  - G152
    
    Our media are paid to lie and they just got a handout from the current government to make up for their diminishing returns.
    
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    April 7, 2022 8:56am
- The Feed
  
  That is the job of the fourth estate.
  
  Perhaps some journalist could be found – from offshore, I guess – and sent to ask repeaters here why they are writing about what Neve does next?
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Journalists have a predetermined answer and as specific questions to prove that answer.
  Cunning as shithouse rats
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:40am
- Yvette
  
  Tomtoddy, to your first comment with the question – “If Māori are to be given an equal, or in some situations a controlling say over assets, should not there be some honest research and checking of the claim?” – one answer is in your second comment – “The job of the fourth estate is not to take a position and tell anyone what to believe; it is to ask questions and report the answers, and investigate as far as possible and report evidence that may show whether those answers are truthful and comprehensive.”
  
  Were journalists still of the ilk of Brian Edwards, Geoff Walker, David Exel, Dairne Shanahan, or Joe Cotē or Keith Aberdeen, you would have true investigative journalism, but instead no current “journalist” can match them.
  It is what happens when the fourth estate becomes the fifth column.
  Filtered in some cases through NZ On Air, with the covenant they honour the Treaty.
  You have to do your own research and, if compelled, find a platform yourself.
  Like here – but where then?
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:41am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Adding in Ian Fraser
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:24am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Lindsay Perigo
      
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      April 7, 2022 12:01pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  So why are there so many opinion pieces!
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:07am
- Nickc2
  
  Until the Herald repays its takings from the $55m Govt bribery fund, I for one will never read a word written by any of its so-called Journalists.
  In saying that, I do read most of the Opinion Pieces written by contributors. Sometimes their opinions sit alongside my own, overwrite my own, or are rejected out of hand.
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:10am
pdm

A texter to Cate Hawkesby nails Police Minister Poto Williams with this:

`Labour’s poster girl for incompetence!!!’
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April 7, 2022 8:05am
- alex Masterley
  
  Minister Williams has overtaken the PM then?
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Although Ardern is dead set useless on all topics, the embarrassment I felt when Williams was asked about police wait times in the foyer of parliament yesterday shows she has to go, she was as bad as Curran who was forced out with ineptitude, Williams is one of Arderns woman in top position, yet Ardern wonders why she is laughed at when she can’t understand why Nats want best person for the job.
    
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    April 7, 2022 8:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Poster Girl? For the blind institute maybe.
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:12am
mikenmildagain

Why can’t New Zealand politicians be as entertaining as those in the United States?
Where is our equivalent of Marjorie Taylor Greene, who’s not afraid to call senators from her own party ‘pro-pedophile’?
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April 7, 2022 8:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Behahahahagaga, Labour wouldn’t have a bar of that, to close to the party snd ministers kids.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:31am
- Simon
  
  Our lot are entertaining. Just the other day that bozo Shaw was going on about NZ’s per capita carbon emissions. He was serious. There are a whole series of clowns in Wellington who think they can control global temperatures.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Agree Mike. She is hated by the RINOs.
  Endorsed by Trump Nov 2020.
  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=marjorie+taylor+greene+endorsed+by+trump&docid=607988827610691732&mid=4C546683D07A6C0FA8A84C546683D07A6C0FA8A8&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:47am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did you agree with her that Romney, Collins and Murkwoski are pro-pedophile?
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:00am
    - All_on_Red
      
      MTG is pretty special alright
      So you agree that Pedophiles and other Sex offenders shouldn’t be punished.
      Ok- got it.
      Sort of matches your support for teachers to be able to talk about their sex lives to four year olds.
      Interesting.
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:29pm
      - Mike
        
        As usual, you are making things up. I can’t make up my mind about whether you do this because you are stupid enough to believe every bullshit talking point, or whether you think that people who share your political preferences are too stupid to check your lies.
        LOL
        
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        April 7, 2022 2:20pm
- alloytoo
  
  Have you found a Democrat willing to say that about their own party?
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:47am
  - Mike
    
    It seems entirely possible to me that no other representatives, republican or democrat, is going to accuse their own senators of supporting pedophilia.
    Likewise, I doubt that any representatives, other than Madison Cawthorn, will be accusing their own congressional colleagues of participating in cocaine-fueled orgies.
    But there we go.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:17am
Yvette

Further to host David Farrar’s 7am post “Parliament votes to end “one person, one vote”
– … So Labour and Greens have voted for a bill that will, in Rotorua, reduce the votes of those on the general roll to 39% of those on the Māori roll. And the media deem this barely worth reporting on.Make no mistake, if this law passes for Rotorua, it will eventually become the standard everywhere – for all Councils, and eventually for Parliament.

Unless I have my figures wrong, with co-governance being a 50/50 vote, non-Maori to Maori, to equal 50 percent, the 16.5 percent that Maori are would need to be multiplied up from one vote to a value of 3. (3 x 16.5 is about 50)

And to squeeze the rest of the population (83.5 percent) down to equal 50 percent, each non-Maori vote would need to be 0.6 of a vote, instead of 1 vote.

So in an election a computer would simply sort that out, or your smarter-than-you ten year old primary school child with a calculator from Warehouse Stationery.

But at a value 3 vote for each Maori and 0.6 for non-Maori, that is a Maori vote worth 5 times that of a non-Maori.

That is “co-governance”

Right?
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April 7, 2022 8:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How do we know what co-governance means, Labour has kept it quiet and yo them self what they mean, Luxon is right, we should all know what it means, you only need to take note of how much crap was not put in front of the electorate at the last election
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:34am
  - Yvette
    
    Giant, for Maori to have any say in anything, other than the say they now have, means a change to the basic of democracy – one person: one vote.
    
    Let Labour attempt to define “co-governance” in any way they like – that does not change “one person: one vote”
    
    They have not yet defined “hate speech” other than “when you see it, you will know it”
    
    Or we may have a “motu-wide Conversation”, like Capital Gains Tax, for months without knowing the Government side of the matter, to even discuss it – and with shallow media and looneys filling the Jacinda created void.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:47am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      In the meantime… While folks are debating definitions, or having a korero about the exact form co-governance will take,
      our Government Departments and public institutions are installing various forms of co-governance under the guise of running a bicultural / tiriti partnership.
      
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      April 7, 2022 11:31am
- Simon
  
  Luxon said he was going to bring hundreds of thousands of the third world into NZ. This is the Maori reply to this. Seems sound from a Maori pov.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:48am
  - alloytoo
    
    Could you please provide support for your assertion?
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:48am
RockyJ

As the culture revolution rolls on I thought I would share some of the great leader’s recent word gems.
In responding to the failure of the Labour government’s $1.6 billion spend on mental health to achieve any measured improvement Ardern retorted “at least we were trying something”.
In response to her government’s decision to build the Auckland harbour bridge cycleway and then cancel it the dear leader said “we are a government prepared to make the bold decisions”,
In response to mounting opposition to cogovernance she retorted “it feels like the issue of cogovernance is becoming increasingly politicised”
She seems to be increasingly confused over the meaning of words. I guess her list of off the shelf phrases is used up.
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April 7, 2022 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  Spending 1.6 Billion dollars of money taken from the pockets of New Zealand families and having nothing to show for it is not a case of ‘at least we’re trying something’
  
  It is, rather, a case of total incompetence, profligacy and wastefulness.
  
  If we said there are a million families in NZ, 1.6 Billions equates to $1,600 per family.
  
  Flushed down the toilet. On this one item.
  
  Imagine what that $1,600 could have done for families in terms of school uniforms, food in the cupboards, petrol or bus fares etc.
  
  I’m just aghast.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:46am
  - Yvette
    
    Swifty – Spending 1.6 Billion dollars of money taken from the pockets of New Zealand families and having nothing to show for it …
    
    But there is something to show for it –
    “Since October 2017 the volume of family harm related incidents has increased by more than 50% and the attended mental health events by 50%.
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/06/kiwis-having-to-wait-longer-and-longer-for-police-help/
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:39am
    - Swifty
      
      You’re right Yvette.
      
      And, on reflection, I could also add ‘nothing to show for it…..except transferring vast sums of wealth from NZ families to the owners and staff of mental health service providers.’
      
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      April 7, 2022 12:21pm
  - Ehlana
    
    $1600 per household to meet basic expenses would have improved the mental health of an awful lot of people too.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What I want to hear from her: “Well I really fucked that up big time”
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:50am
  - oldfella
    
    Steve, Cindy should put that phrase on a loop and just run it endlessly. /s
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:39am
- Pavel
  
  We could of had two flag referendums for the price of that cycle bridge not going ahead.
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    Whether you supported a change of flag or not, we were at least allowed a vote.
    
    ah Democracy how we miss thee.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:50am
- Nickc2
  
  But she has a Brigade strength of script writers as part of her entourage who are paid to invent more such meaningless dribble.
  Perhaps she should sack them and start thinking for herself.
  Oh no, we can’t have that, the voters will see what they’re getting for their vote and Labour will be out the door.
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:28am
- Paulus
  
  After the 1st July all Health problems will be solved by the introduction of four Maori Tribal regions, and the4 Health system will be run by unelected Tribal appointed Masters, and of course Mistresses.
  No wonder the three top Health Department people have said Get f…d and are out.
  Just very Sad.
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:19pm
dave_c_

How is it that everyone (more specifically govt) get their knickers in a knot, when lamenting the lack of competition (and fair pricing) in the supermarket space.

Supposed/latest investigation and analysis results in ‘no change’ whatsoever.

If supermarkets are a thorn in the side, god knows how one describes the plethora of electricity suppliers / retailers.

Logic dictates that competition would level out the playing field, and result in reasonable/fair pricing in that market. Wouldn’t it ?

But – what do we have ?

One example I find specifically abhorent, is that these companies are now allowed to remove the ‘low-user tier and pricing’ model, and replace it with ‘increased daily supply charges’, and no doubt increase in the baseline electricity use charges at the same time.

Looking into the ‘Price comparison’ calculator, they are all jumping onto the bandwagon, and increasing daily supply charges threefold.

Go figure ! No outrage from the govt whatsoever !
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April 7, 2022 8:14am
- notreadyet
  
  correct me if I’m wrong but I thought all the power companies removing the low user tarrif was as a result of go t leglislation that outlawed the practice.
  why,. ecsuse it disadvantaged high user (ie big families) on lower incomes.
  
  more unintended consequences of govt meddling in the market
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:23am
Tony Stuart

Did anyone see the latest episode in the Poto Williams saga last night on 1News?

New data shows police response times around the country have become remarkably slower under the Labour-led Government.

The stats, obtained by National, show response times to serious crime have blown out in many districts since 2017.

In Auckland, officers arrived in 26 minutes or less 90% of the time in 2017. That time has now jumped out to one hour and 49 minutes this year.

In Northland, the figure has jumped from 31 minutes to one hour and 18 minutes, while in Waikato it’s risen from 16 minutes to the best part of an hour.

It was no better in Bay of Plenty, where it has risen from 19 minutes to over 52.

Police Association president Chris Cahill said the data left him “concerned” and he believed the public would also be concerned.

But Police Minister Poto Williams told 1News she wasn’t sure what was going on and had no plans to find out.

Williams said she was “not over the detail” despite 1News having sent the details to her office, and described it as an “operational matter to the police”.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/06/kiwis-having-to-wait-longer-and-longer-for-police-help/

Poto Williams looked like a possum in the headlights when Benedict Collins quizzed her yesterday. For her to claim it was “an operational matter” is an absolute cop-out, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Williams is a senior Minister in the Labour Cabinet, ranked at #10. As a Minister in Cabinet, she is paid $296,007 per annum as a salary, plus expenses. Ministers are well paid, because they carry significant responsibility, including the responsibility for what goes on within their portfolios, including operational issues.

One part of me would love Poto Williams to be kept on as Police Minister. However I know a number of Police, and they deserve far better than they are getting from their current Minister, and there is significant doubt within rank and file Police that she has their best interests at heart.

Mark Mitchell has done an outstanding job exposing Williams’ weaknesses in recent weeks. But the Minister hung herself last night with her own words. When she admitted to Benedict Collins that she was “not across the detail” of the issue he was questioning her about, she left viewers with the impression that her lack of knowledge does not apply to this issue alone, and she has a very poor grasp of the Police portfolio in general. She should go.
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April 7, 2022 8:17am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, I seen it and expected exactly what we got, if Ardern can not see how useless most of her ministers are that’s her problem, I laughed when she tried to say she did not know, and Collins said but we emailed this info to you this morning.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:38am
- Simon
  
  Look forward to National building more prisons, replacing judges & senior police officers and then the new police scooping the shit of the streets.
  
  Will this happen?
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:52am
  - curry4me
    
    The building of more prisons, replacement of dudjes with judges, and scooping crap off the streets will proceed rapidly. Commencement date will either be 12th of never, or when hell freezes over. Whichever is the soonest. National are woke too.
    
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    April 7, 2022 1:40pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  All’s good – only racist misogynists dare challenge her
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:02am
- oldfella
  
  Tony, isn’t the latest Roy Morgan poll out today? Could be interesting.
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:42am
- Libertarians are right
  
  If she’s not across the detail on Police responding to crime (which is their job), then what is she across the detail on? Surely there’s excuses to be made for not being across the detail of small, operational things (like the average age of Police cars etc) but Police response times is the most important part of their job. They have to actually be there.
  
  Important question to the Police Minister:
  What is she actually across the details on in her portfolio?
  
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  April 7, 2022 10:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Oh, I suspect her grilling by Mark Mitchell win continue this afternoon in the House, unless Williams is mysteriously absent. She’s a prime candidate to be placed into Witless Protection!
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:20am
- Mike
  
  I fiund it interesting that Luxon hogged the camera for thus one, rather than his police sookesperson. Leaders if the opposition usually try to present themselves as a prime ministerial match-up.
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:21am
- Swifty
  
  I hear too that the transfer of electronic monitoring services of offenders to a new provider is not going at all well.
  
  Call wait times from parole officers and security staff to the monitoring centre have exploded as have system alerts that offenders are up to no good.
  
  I’m not close to it but that’s what I’ve heard.
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:28pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Poto is the new Clare Curran. She needs to go.
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:43pm
- Paulus
  
  Hope Poto stays – well she must as there are no replacements, and we will see her shown up again many times, and Labour also many times to come, whilst she remains as as a so called Minister in Ardern’s incompetent so called Government..
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:22pm
- Joely Doe
  
  The old saying still rings true – yell FIRE, not ‘help’.
  
  Ask for the Fire department to attend.
  
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  April 7, 2022 3:08pm
R

More than 1800 police were seconded to the Wellington Protest, yet wait times for emergency responses have increased. Maybe if police learnt to prioritise better, those wait times wouldn’t have increased. If more than 1800 police can be brought in to overseas a small and largely peaceful protest, police are clearly very well resourced.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/06/kiwis-having-to-wait-longer-and-longer-for-police-help/
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April 7, 2022 8:17am
- R
  
  Police told 1News they were under the pump, with mental health callouts and family harm incidents taking up vast amounts of time.
  
  Bullshit. Police weren’t so under the pump that they were prevented from bringing in more than 1800 cops to a small protest. That sort of claim by police won’t win them much support.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:28am
- G152
  
  The police have proven themselves to be an arm of the liebor government.
  Hudreds turn out to a parliamentary protest and none attend street racing events,
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:00am
- Bridgenag
  
  From someone who was there……A great number of the police did not have badges or names…..where did they come from? Gang wardens?//
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:46am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Typical deflection from Jaspinda in the 10th paragraph.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/we-re-willing-to-make-bold-infrastructure-decisions-pm-defends-51m-spent-on-cancelled-cycle-bridge/ar-AAVUaPO?
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April 7, 2022 8:19am
- alex Masterley
  
  I didn’t realise “Yes, Maybe, Yes No Yes No” was a bold decision.
  Indecisive indecision if you ask me.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:28am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    More run outs than Ross Taylor
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:51pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Lol, what infrastructure have they done, or attempted? Dunedin hospital is still a Barton empty section, (supposed to be finished by 2025, Transmission gully nothing to do with them.
  Look at what Nats did, Transmission gully, Waikato expressway, Aucklands northern motorway, the 3 lanes tunnel in Auckland, plus several other Auckland roads, started the Tauranga double lane, which was halted by Labour and cut short of its project, Nats build several classrooms, and some full schools, (Queenstown being one)they also started up grades to CHCH hospital, thanks to Labour they can’t staff the new build, west coast new hospital, several more roaring projects including a second harbour crossing.
  Ardern spouting Nats did not have a third harbour crossing , what is she even talking about, it’s a second one Nats wanted, she mentioned 3rd harbour crossing in her nasty out to lunch smear of Nats when a simple question about the 51 million spend on cycle bridge.
  Did I mention Nats started the city rail loop early? Whether it’s a good spend or not, they started it early, now tell me what Labour have done ?
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:49am
  - Master Mariner
    
    You cant built infrastructure without Builders and supplies.
    
    NZ Inc has really destroyed what ever supply chains we had and really showed the World how to do it competently //
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:58am
  - Philview
    
    I also add that the Nats had to deal with some staggering roading and rail logistics with the Kaikoura earthquake. The left wing media like to pick holes in the Christchurch earthquake response but at the time the 5th largest insurance event in global history, just about every building and road in the city damaged.
    
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    April 7, 2022 1:32pm
- I remember when
  
  EV and hybrid sales going ‘gangbusters’ as motorists grapple with fuel prices: RNZ:
  Is that the reason we have had a couple of short power ‘outages’ in the last week?
  
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  April 7, 2022 10:49am
  - Paulus
    
    Where are the old EV batteries now arising as they cannot be shipped elsewhere and cannot be reused for anything.
    New ones about $8,000.
    Stuck in a warehouse before it burns down ?
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:24pm
- cmm
  
  Spending $51M on a cancelled project sounds about right.
  
  This is exactly what I predicted at the time, but I only predicted $20M, not $51M. They really pulled out the stops.
  
  The purpose of these projects is not to achieve the output, but to keep a bunch of office-dwelling consultants etc employed maying PowerPoints etc.
  
  It’s easy, low responsibility work. It’s nice and clean and highly lucrative. Just shelve the project as soon as things look like they might get muddy.
  
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  April 7, 2022 10:52am
Benedict Yu

I came across this story from 2017. It shows the madness of the RMA, and why it is one of the reasons New Zealand has a housing crisis.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/97814385/plans-for-new-wellington-hotel-scuppered-by-old-heritage-building-next-door

Equinox Capital, a development company, had been given resource consent to develop a large hotel/apartment project in Kate Sheppard Place in Wellington. Next door to the site is a small, decommissioned electricity substation. Some guy bought the substation, restored it, and turned it into a little house. He successfully appealed the resource consent for the hotel and apartment complex. Because it would impact on him. The court agreed.

Equinox Capital walked away, and the site is still a vacant site. Used as a carpark.

So, their capital would have gone somewhere else.
Someone can buy a derelict electricity substation. Renovate it into a little house. And stop a huge housing development next door on a vacant site.
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April 7, 2022 8:22am
- MCōs
  
  I started my working career in that street when it was called Sydney St East.
  I don’t know who’d want to live down that windswept part of Wellington in what is now a virtual canyon.
  People used to get knocked off their feet by the wind as they staggered out of the Thistle.
  Very handy to the Caketin
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:22am
  - RalphT
    
    Not sure that everyone who fell over after staggering out of the dear old Thistle can blame the wind…
    
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    April 7, 2022 12:07pm
redeye

The latest Auditor General’s report didn’t seem to receive much coverage from our media. Bryce Edwards covers it here;-
https://democracyproject.nz/2022/04/05/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-questions-of-integrity-surround-the-govts-tourism-slush-fund/

“Was political favouritism involved in the dishing out of millions of dollars by government ministers to tourism businesses? We can’t know, because the Government didn’t keep sufficient records or have proper processes for the handouts.
…
According to the Auditor General, Ministers never developed clear criteria for how to dole out the money, and no proper records were kept on their decision-making process for who to give money to. Conventional funding processes were seemingly cast aside. And on investigation, the Auditor General’s office couldn’t get adequate explanations from the ministers as to why they gave millions to certain businesses.
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The report refers to numerous examples of funding under this scheme that appear questionable. One example is the $1.5m given to Whale Watch Kaikōura. The money was doled out on the same day that Ministers made their decisions about funding criteria, and before that criteria had ever been advertised or the application process officially opened.
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April 7, 2022 8:24am
- redeye
  
  Also as it’s the topic du jour;-
  
  Some have also raised questions about why Māori-owned tourism businesses were required to meet a lower threshold for funding. According to the report, Government ministers developed a basic criteria in which each business was rated out of a possible 30 points for eligibility, and those businesses that received more than 15 points were funded. Māori tourism businesses were exempt from needing to meet this threshold.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:45am
  - oldfella
    
    redeye, I wonder if any of those ‘favoured’ Maori-owned tourism businesses have ties to anyone in the Labour Party, such as the members of the Maori caucus?
    The kind of question a journalist, worthy of that name, might investigate.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:52am
cjn

Yesterday I posted a comment about “humanitarian missiles” as an oxymoronic descriptor of NZ’s promise to send missiles to Ukraine. I received a lot of downticks which shows that some readers are interested in delivering missiles. This morning I have watched on Wion Gravitas “World Powers compete for Weapons that Travel faster than Sound.” which may interest them. Scott Morrison features.
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April 7, 2022 8:25am
Lee C

New South Wales makes it illegal to protest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIG6gHIzc-Y

New Zealand next?
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April 7, 2022 8:26am
- Inandout
  
  Lee, is climate going to be exempt?
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:57am
  - Lee C
    
    Maori protests on golf courses.
    
    Black Lives Matter.
    
    Climate Change.
    
    and anything ‘Rainbow’ in inflexion..
    
    Will probably be exempt.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Definitely next if Labour should win the Election. Think things are bad now? 3 fold in 2023. A win for Labour will torn NZ into South Venezuela
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    turn*
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:26am
  - MCōs
    
    Doesn’t NSW have a right wing government?
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:28am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Left wing or right wing but both are the same authoritarian bird.
      
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      April 7, 2022 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      NZ was the subject. Labour, not Labor
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:47pm
Nukuleka

If anyone has any doubts about the fragile physical and mental state of the current Leader of the Free World look no further than the videos of the sad old bewildered codger during Obama’s recent visit to the White House. Obama’s ‘joke’ about ‘Vice President Biden’ has apparently not gone down well with many of Biden’s staff but I guess it’s better than Joe’s recent gaffe of referring to his wife Jill as ‘the Vice President’. I’m still waiting for a Kiwiblog post about the dismal job Biden is making of his presidency but sadly I have the feeling that, given his antipathy to Biden’s predecessor, DPF doesn’t want to have acknowledge the utter incompetence of the current Leader of The Free World.
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April 7, 2022 8:33am
Nukuleka

If anyone has any doubts about the fragile physical and mental state of the current Leader if the Free World look no further than the videos of the sad old bewildered codger during Obama’s recent visit to the White House. Obama’s ‘joke’ about ‘Vice President Biden’ has apparently not gone down well with many of Biden’s staff but I guess it’s better than Joe’s recent gaffe of referring to his wife Jill as ‘the Vice President’. I’m still waiting for a Kiwiblog post about the dismal job Biden is making of his presidency but sadly I have the feeling that, given his antipathy to Biden’s predecessor, DPF doesn’t want to have acknowledge the utter incompetence of the current Leader of The Free World.
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April 7, 2022 8:38am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It should be fairly straightforward to agree that a system that produced a choice between Clinton and Trump in 2016 and Trump and Biden in 2020 is not offering US voters viable options. And the likely contest for 2024 seems to be a repeat of Trump vs Biden: two geriatrics who are obviously severely impaired physically and mentally from whatever limited talents they might have displayed decades ago.
  
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  April 7, 2022 8:51am
  - Frank the tank
    
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
    
    This is the ONLY reason Trump is in play in 2024.
    
    Personally I would prefer DeSantis or Noem (if only to see a picture of her next to our scruffy,-dress-in the-dark PM) however the Dems have rooted themselves by selecting an ignorant, imbecilic corpse.
    
    Unless something drastically happens Trump wins in 2024 with the blame squarely sitting with team left.
    
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    April 7, 2022 1:17pm
  - virtualmark
    
    I am regularly amazed that in a country with 330 million people the likes of Hilary, Trump, Biden, Harris, de Santis etc are the best candidates they can muster for the top job.
    
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    April 7, 2022 6:14pm
- mogg
  
  And Obamas other comment, “never underestimate
  Joe’s ability to fuck things up”
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:01am
- Inandout
  
  Nuku, I vividly remember when Lange was elected and Douglas began his selling off of State entities. The chap I worked with was Labour to the core and cooed when Lange swept in. Then when Rogernomics began to bite he became mute, I kid you not. No way could you get him to speak of what Roger was doing to his long held beliefs. He was a classic case of someone drenched in ‘working class’ convictions but left dumbfounded when things changed rapidly. There is a message there?
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:07am
  - I remember when
    
    Inandout:
    That was when the Labour Party, and the left, supported the working class and the ‘disadvantaged.’
    It was ‘Black and White’ and the legislation enacted was the same.
    Now they have moved towards the middle so everything is a shade of Grey.
    ‘Climate Change’, Equality, Gender, Freedom of Speech controls, Hate Speech Law, and Covid Control.
    Difficult to define, lack of supporting data, highly dependent on perception and emotive.
    
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    April 7, 2022 10:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe referred to Michelle Obama as VP, unless he made another blunder about Jill.
  https://redrightvideos.com/watch-jill-biden-caught-shaking-her-head-in-disbelief-as-joe-makes-a-fool-of-himself/
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:08am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Ah…it’s all about the pronoun ‘she’. Listen to the video. He makes reference to both Jill and Michelle and then says,’When she was vice president’. Sounds more like a reference to Jill than Michelle to me, but who knows what’s going on in this deluded man’s head.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A comma after ‘Obama’ completely changes the meaning of who he was referring to, but I doubt if Joe even knows what he said.
      Quite sad really – I have been through dealing with someone with Alzheimer’s/Dementia. Tough for them and tough for me.
      
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      April 7, 2022 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    It is said that Barack Obama may throw his hat into the political ring again at the next election as Biden is gaga and Harris – well !
    He is able to stand again under the US Constitution I understand.
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:28pm
    - Mike
      
      No, he’s not.
      
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      April 7, 2022 5:09pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Sorry for the duplication. It seems that if I click to edit a post it then it is posted twice. Maybe my technical incompetence.
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:09am
  - MCōs
    
    Must be your fragile physical and mental state.
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:30am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Lol.
      
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      April 7, 2022 10:32am
Lee C

Opposed to Labour’s new legislation for Rotorua?

Expect this:

“”I would say that there is a river of genuine fascism in parts of the event that we see out the front of this Parliament today,” he said. “I just urge colleagues in this House – decent and honourable members of the centre-right parliamentary parties in this Parliament – that a lot is actually on them to not give succour and comfort to an emergent and dangerous far-right movement. I just ask those members to reflect upon that.”

This is how your objections will be dismissed.

But it’s ok. You already granted them permission to do this when you villified peaceful protesters at the Beehive, and sat back while the thugs sorted them out good and proper.

And the media will repeat it. So it must be true.

The opposition have been so busy falling over each other to hand over our democratic rights that they failed to notice they were actually doing it to themselves.

But it’s not like it was their job to notice or anything, was it?
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April 7, 2022 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  “First they came for the river of filth…….”
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:05am
  - Lee C
    
    First they came for the ‘conspiracy theorists’
    Then they came for the ‘vaccine hesitant’
    Then they came for the ‘anti-vaxxers’
    Then they came for the ‘Rivers of Filth’
    
    Then they came for The National Party…
    
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    April 7, 2022 9:23am
    - MCōs
      
      Personally I wouldn’t lump the Nats in with that lot.
      
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      April 7, 2022 9:32am
      - Lee C
        
        That’s teh point, MCos Those who remain silent about abuse of principles becasue they think it doesn;t affect them, will find themselves without support, when the same abuse of principle is applied to them.
        
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        April 7, 2022 11:01am
    - cmm
      
      They didn’t have to the National Party has come for itself.
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:07pm
3-coil

Our glorious leader comrade Jacinda seems to have really missed a trick in her journey to be the most famous and adored politician on the planet. Her background as President of the International Union of Socialist Youth gives her impeccable credentials to reach out to her comrade Vladimir Putin and talk him out of his obscene foray into Ukraine. Comrade Vlad will obviously be a drooling fan of comrade Cindy, and he will have replayed her famous “comrades” rallying cry speech over and over, marvelling at her oral skills! So come on comrade Jacinda, how cool would it be for you to avert World War 3, and really really save the world! Cindy, you would probably be made a comrade Dame, possibly even a Sainthood, you’d be more popular than Jesus Christ…or even the Beatles. So come on comrade Jax, “let’s do this”
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April 7, 2022 8:41am
- westernScientist
  
  Lol the thought of the phone call with Putin:
  In Russian ascent: “who are you?, you are silly little girl, leave me alone, adults are talking”
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:34am
mandk

Boris Johnson has come out!

He has said that he doesn’t think biological males should be able to compete with women in female sports.

Will our own PM do the same? I doubt it. She’s probably besties with Laurel Hubbard (XY) and thinks she is a great role model for girls in NZ.
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April 7, 2022 8:46am
Maggie Pie

Txt last nite from The-Lantern to Deputy Police Commissioner Glen Dunbier…

“Thnx for agreeing to appear on my behalf with Hosking tomorrow. Whatever you do don’t let him sidetrack you with any awkward questions about the rise in violent crime. And most importantly ….don’t make me look stupid”

– Andrew
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April 7, 2022 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No need – he is already stupid
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:12am
Fishing in the dark

Maori Party:
Māori should be paid a pension from age 57:
Not necessary, because most Early Settlers are already on some sort of social benefits.
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April 7, 2022 9:03am
- septic skeptic
  
  One obvious question any journalist should ask is “so men should be paid earlier than women then?”
  
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  April 7, 2022 10:41am
  - Ehlana
    
    It was suggested on TV3 AM this morning that on that logic, women and Asians, who typically live longer than average, should have their pension age increased.
    
    Strange to relate, their Asian female host was not so keen.
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

Heard that Nadia Lim from ‘My-Food-Bag’ on with The Hosk this morning.

She was speaking to him from her 130 acre spread near Arrowtown somewhere.

Right into ‘Ethical Farming’ by the sound of it. That’s where animal-welfare is paramount. Sheep ‘die’… rather than actually being ‘killed’ before butchering.

No mention of the poor MFB Shareholders who were slaughtered when their share-price halved 🙁

Just saying.
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April 7, 2022 9:13am
- Frank the tank
  
  Mags my understanding is the liquidators are waiting for the phone call. Running on the benevolence of their bankers.
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No surprise to some I guess Frankie.
    At the time they listed, my partner’s broker was calling them 75 cents.
    
    LOL!!
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:24am
    - Frank the tank
      
      On a side note Mags the Wets and the Woke over at Discovery will be a bit dismayed that that Bernie and Ryan didn’t want a knighthood for St Ash. Mellissa too-many-surnames should have known not to mess with a shore-based ‘leftfooter’ mum.
      
      Watch out for them to be replaced by a Tamahere and a lady called Larry in the near future…..
      
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      April 7, 2022 1:53pm
- Sacha
  
  I don’t think that the lady has a secure grasp on the economics of running an agricultural business.
  She bought a piece of land that ‘was going to be developed’.
  Like people who buy a couple of acres out of town she apparently didn’t give any thought as to why the land wasn’t being farmed.
  Farmers don’t sell productive land – buyers should always keep their eyes open –
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:01pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8912-nz-national-voting-intention-february-2022-202203070501

National/Act NZ (49.5%) now leads Labour/Greens (43%) by 6.5% points
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April 7, 2022 9:31am
- westernScientist
  
  last months one (polling in Feb), will be good to see the release for the march polling hopefully in the next couple of days.
  
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  April 7, 2022 9:58am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Nat 38, Act 11.5, Lab 32, Green 11, Maori 2. Support for Nat+Act nearly double (59%) with men as with women (34%), for Lab+Green 54% women 44% men. Massive gender split, women love restrictive controlling authoritarian big govt.
  
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  April 7, 2022 10:09am
- Frank the tank
  
  slip, slip, sliding away Love. Best you take that job offer in New York when you have your holiday.
  
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  April 7, 2022 10:17am
  - curry4me
    
    I wonder what panic moves this latesr Roy Morgan poll will generate? Free public transport? Another cut in gas tax? No more Cindy muzzles? A withdrawal of 3 Waters? The “wedding of the millenium” to be held on the farm of a Ukranian oligarch?
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:00pm
- curry4me
  
  That Roy Morgan poll was good news. I wonder if the coming Kantar poll will reflect it?
  
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  April 7, 2022 1:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yesterday I got my ‘flu vax’ So the knuckledraggers who like to combine antivaxxers with anti Covid vaxxers can stop being jerks
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April 7, 2022 9:38am
- curry4me
  
  I’ve never had the flu. My immune system just nukes all known flu viruses. Didn’t nuke wokebola though. Just a nasty cold.
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:01pm
I remember when

Maori ‘stewardship’ is neither superior or, most likely, inferior to European stewardship historically.
However, like the language, it has considerably diminished with the passage of time.
Much of their knowledge of the environment was due to their ‘hunter/gatherer’ needs.
As that need largely disappeared, so did much of the knowledge that they had traditionally used.
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April 7, 2022 9:45am
I remember when

And so the joke continues.
Caleb Clarke receives a three week ban for red card offence.
It would never stand up in a court of law.
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April 7, 2022 9:56am
- MCōs
  
  I don’t recall a penalty such a this being challenged in court at that particular level of competition.
  It’s more likely to occur at secondary school level.
  Notwithstanding that rugby is basically a violent sport there are some rules particularly with regard to contact with a bloke’s head deliberate or not.
  He could have got six weeks.
  https://twitter.com/saffasrugby/status/1510157632052596737?s=21&t=JmqpFPnaQx3pcYaBcyWzYg
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:25pm
Libertarians are right

So it turns out that the suspect in the latest mass shooting in Sacramento was released from prison in February after serving just four of a ten year sentence for felony gun and robbery convictions (with a long history of crime) and whilst in jail had given zero reason to be released (no respect for law, no compassion for his victims etc). The prosecutors argued in his hearing that it was a certainty he would continue to break the law.

The US clearly has a gun problem but releasing violent criminals, who won’t adhere to any gun laws anyway, early (40% of their sentence) does seem like it increases the gun issue needlessly. They should probably start their gun law changes by keeping violent criminals in jail longer.

And yes, I understand that there is an argument that the proposed gun law changes don’t actually have anything to do with gun violence.
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April 7, 2022 10:02am
- curry4me
  
  The problem in that case was likely a liberal DA, or Governor.
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:03pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The problem is that Sacramento is the Capitol of California. They absolutely love criminals there.
    
    I sure the fact that huge numbers of people are leaving California for Red states is a total coincidence.
    
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    April 7, 2022 3:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZ is broke but we have this:
NZ Taxpayer’s Union.
Today Ashley Bloomfield announced his resignation as Director-General of Health.

In the spirit of giving him a much-needed break, below is the list of public sector bosses paid even higher salaries than him. We think all of these individuals should have to face up to taxpayers the way Dr Bloomfield has consistently done in the last two years.
https://www.facebook.com/TaxpayersUnion/photos/a.448026671968025/4664766803627303/
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April 7, 2022 10:05am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I see Cuddles is near the top of the list on $606k. 😀
  
  (A friend of my partner’s who is close-to-the-action @180 Molesworth…..was telling him Andy likes to have Ecoya Calming Candles burning in his office.
  Made of Soy Wax apparently.)
  
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  April 7, 2022 10:46am
- Mike
  
  The taxpayers’ ‘union’, like all poltical
  actors, seems to think public servants should be politicians too.
  One of the most telling signs of the politicization of the public service from the late 80s was the emergence of CEs at the right hand of ministers at press conferences, etc.
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:31am
  - Paulus
    
    The Public Servive did not used to be but they are now well and truly politicised would not admit it if you enquired.
    PS I have close family in very good PS jobs so would never discuss anything political as I would be shot down immediately.
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:33pm
- MCōs
  
  There are around fifteen nameless employees of Fonterra on salaries in excess of a million dollars.
  Do they have to front up to the shareholders?
  
  As it happens I believe the various Heads of Departments, or whatever they’re called, front up to the appropriate select committees, don’t they?
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:37pm
  - david
    
    To be fair to Fonterra, these are total package figures so, for example a senior exec on assignment to Tokyo would have car, house, children’s education, household costs such as boiler fuel provided. I do’t know about current costs but in the 1990’s rents of USD$20,000 per month were not unheard of and foreign school fees of US$50,000 Pa per child quite normal so you get to NZ$1 mill quite quickly.
    
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    April 7, 2022 3:11pm
I remember when

Is it time, actually way past time, we have an honest discussion about the use of gas in the home.
What does the future look like, how is it going to be supplied, if you are going to talk ‘Climate Change’ where does it fit in.
If all of the gas cooking, heating and hot water use is phased out can we depend on electricity supply.
Is there a massive hurdle between the getting rid of and the replacement.
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April 7, 2022 10:06am
- kevn
  
  @I rem… Interestingly we sold our home last year with a new wet-backed high rated woodburner, connected to a large new’ish hot water cylinder. Sound good?
  The new owner has ripped it all out (apart from the logburner) an installed a new gas hot water system. At huge cost with our NZ gas supply looking shaky.
  
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  April 7, 2022 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Amazing that we have out own fuel – gas, oil and coal, yet we import coal and buy fuel from Russia – via refineries in Japan, Singapore and Indonesia (I think)
  NZ under Labour is going backwards. Why? Control, Socialist control, that is why
  
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  April 7, 2022 1:54pm
- MCōs
  
  Our house in Bangkok had no hot water at all.
  The cold showers in what is jokingly known as winter were a bit tedious so we bought a gadget that heats just enough water for the shower as it passes through.
  Can’t sleep without the air on, though, and that chalks up the watts.
  
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  April 7, 2022 3:13pm
I remember when

Unhealthyn homes leave students out in the cold. msn.com:
Or should that read, lack of unhealthy accommodation leaves students without homes.
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April 7, 2022 10:10am
- artemisia
  
  Maybe the article should read rents and other costs have been rising and some students can’t afford to put the heater on or buy cleaning products.
  
  Couple of hours of paid work a week would cover those costs. How hard is that with a superfluity of job vacancies.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/students-left-out-in-the-cold-living-in-unhealthy-homes
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:01pm
  - MCōs
    
    Skip university and go straight into a trade.
    There’s a tradie working on the house over the road who comes to work every day in a bloody great brand new Ute he parks on the footpath.
    I think the apprentice drives the van with all the gear. Certainly no tools in the Ute.
    
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    April 7, 2022 3:21pm
    - artemisia
      
      Agree, 3 young workers in my family all under 25. No student loans. Healthy Kiwisaver. Plans. One double ticket tradie sitting certifying exams this year. The others straight from school to work and some evening classes to get ahead.
      
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      April 7, 2022 5:17pm
    - graham
      
      “Skip university and go straight into a trade.”
      
      Problem is, if everyone thinks like that the tradie is going to hurt his back one day and be unable to find a physio to sort it, or he’ll get a metal splinter in his eye and unable to find a doctor to remove it, or he’ll get sued and be unable to find a lawyer …
      
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      April 7, 2022 6:59pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweets…..

“I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry”

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1511408081623781380

>>And scroll down – the comments are hilarious as well 😀
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April 7, 2022 11:32am
oldfella

Must be a Thursday as stuffed has a cartoon mocking Luxon. I’m sure they put the boot into Cindy and her woeful bunch on the other six days. /s
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April 7, 2022 11:36am
Hugh Jarse

Looking forward to the media coverage of the Roy Morgan poll.
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April 7, 2022 11:56am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Prepare to be disappointed then, media don’t report on Roy Morgan as is generally not favorable for team Cindy.
  
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  April 7, 2022 1:14pm
krazykiwi

The current UN Human Rights Council:

Armenia, Argentina, Benin, Bolivia, Brazil, Cameroon, China, Côte d’Ivoire, Cuba, Eritrea, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Germany, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Libya, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malawi, Malaysia, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mexico, Montenegro, Namibia, Nepal, Netherlands, Pakistan, Paraguay, Poland, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States of America, Uzbekistan and Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)

So many dictators, so little democracy. And look … Russia and Ukraine. That must make for interesting open sessions.
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April 7, 2022 11:58am
- Mike
  
  It’s one of the many dilemmas of the UN: admit all countries, more or less, or impose membership criteria that need to be enforced.
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:15pm
  - cmm
    
    Certainly, admit all to the UN itself (ie General Assembly) – no matter how naughty. Rather keep them talking.
    
    But that does not mean all need to be admitted to all aspects of the UN – especially the main governing bodies and those setting controlling policies.
    
    It is a mistake to put many of the current members of the HR council there.
    
    Likewise chuck Zimbabwe and a few others off the Economic and Social Council.
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:37pm
- Cassandra
  
  It’s a farce. Half the countries in the UN and on this committee have appalling human rights records.
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:44pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yup. Mauritania allows domestic slaves, for example. Not officially, but it is common practice.
    
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    April 7, 2022 3:29pm
    - MCōs
      
      In NZ exploitation of foreign workers is probably more common than one would like to think.
      My sister who used to do relieving work at schools down south told me about some of the wages, hours and conditions some of the dairy workers put up with. Not all, but some of the farmers were less than reasonable.
      Also people who are brought out to work in restaurants may find things ain’t what they signed up for.
      
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      April 7, 2022 5:21pm
Tony Stuart

Question 3 at Question Time this afternoon could be the source of some amusement:

NICOLA WILLIS to the Prime Minister: Does she have confidence in all of her Ministers?

Now which Minister might Nicola Willis be asking about?
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April 7, 2022 12:20pm
- Stacey H
  
  Shouldn’t that question be “Does she have confidence in ANY of her Ministers?”
  
  I suspect your obvious and outstanding target is the Minister of Police.
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Watch for some head pin dancing here – moderated by the duck running interference
    
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    April 7, 2022 1:59pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I heard a guy on talkback before, saying….
  
  “Greg O’Connor was a no-brainer”
  
  LOL!!
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:45pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I suspect the supplementaries will be quite a list of them, but Spindy won’t be there to answer them directly.
  
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  April 7, 2022 12:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah – Thursday is a day off for PM
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:00pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Grant Robertson has just been defending Poto from Nicola Willis questions. Then Chris Bishop questioned Poto. Now Mark Mitchell questioning Poto!
  Not a good day at the office for Poto Williams.
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:37pm
mandk

I reject the premise of your question, Tony.
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April 7, 2022 12:36pm
Surely Knott

Solid piece of investigative journalism from Chantelle Baker. Mandates and how they link to the digital framework trust. The timing of mandates, the PM saying in Sept 21 that there will be no need for vaccine mandates, when they appeared to have been already working on mandates and passports since April . 4 minutes 40′ – worth the watch.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CcBult0jWvf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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April 7, 2022 1:08pm
Bobba Fret

Reading the comments in the NZ Herald on the Maori lowering of retirement age to 57, was very amusing. I’m surprised they opened it for comments. All negative.
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April 7, 2022 1:13pm
Maggie Pie

VIDEO

So this is what ‘BEING KIND’ gets you….

“Homeless man is known to be violent and has no decency. He screams a lot, makes a ruckus and pulls his pants down. Even poops in shop doorways”

https://trib.al/HrJuEO9
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April 7, 2022 1:14pm
Nickc2

See what Ukraine gave up to Russia in return for what is currently making history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75o9EyrjvDY
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April 7, 2022 1:15pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hioylytN7Ng

Is this part of the reason Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield resigned? Watch his face.

Jacinda caught lying openly, watch Ashleys face closely. To get this information required persistent digging and the Government held back the details for 4 months. By the time the OIA details were released they were acting illegally. [4:46]
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April 7, 2022 1:18pm
- cmm
  
  Could be.
  
  I see they’re now talking about potential 4th jab requirements. Maybe he wanted to duck out before that shitbomb goes off.
  
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  April 7, 2022 3:59pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, that, and the July changes to the health sector.
    
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    April 7, 2022 6:20pm
- bythesea
  
  Good investigation work by Chantelle, and clearly described.
  
  They are like some dodgy firm with two sets of books – one for the public, and one for themselves.
  
  And its not just a one off – the same mendacious actions were done for 3 waters interactions with councils.
  
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  April 7, 2022 5:49pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nyaBgYGGzjo/

Leftist Colleges Are Imploding as Conservative Colleges Surge!

Leftwing Colleges Are Imploding all as Conservative Colleges Surge in enrollment! In this video, we’re going to look at the epidemic of college closings among woke left universities, we’re going to see how collapse contrasts with the growth in conservative Christian colleges, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal what’s really behind both the woke implosion and the conservative surge. [9:47]
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April 7, 2022 1:18pm
- MCōs
  
  I wondered who Bitchute was so had a wee look and among other things they had horse racing from the Communist Commonwealth of Australia!
  
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  April 7, 2022 5:41pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/HXlj9Y2L2x0/

Minor GOP Victory. Dems Mildly Concerned -;)

The Republicans absolutely STOMP the Democrats in local elections held throughout the nation! In this video, we’re going to survey the political damage from the Republican onslaught, we’re going to see how Democrat strategists are literally panicking as we speak, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal why these elections are indeed harbingers of the political earthquake to come. [9:38]
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April 7, 2022 1:18pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I see they flipped Waukesha Red.
  What a surprise!
  
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  April 7, 2022 3:46pm
  - curry4me
    
    Certainly Waukesha would have been a pleasant surprise for the goog guys. Not so much for the Dems.
    
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    April 7, 2022 6:22pm
cmm

More lies in $1uff

13 deaths reported headline of today’s daily stats.

But then:

“There are 11,634 new community cases of Covid-19, as officials report a further 13 deaths over the past 10 days, including three people in their thirties.’

So 13 deaths in 10 days? Average 1.3 per day?

Then further on: “The further 13 deaths reported on Thursday take the total number of publicly reported deaths to 456, and the seven-day rolling average of deaths was 17.”

What? How do you get a seven day rolling average of 17 from that?

A seven day rolling average should be a per-day rate. If the 7 day rolling average is 17 then it means 7×17=119 died in the last week.

Since there were 13 in the last 10 days it would seem to be rather challenging to find 119 who died in the last week.

As it turns out, it was actually 13 on Thursday alone, not 13 over the last 10 days.

… and these are the communicators, charged with communicating information to us.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300560650/covid19-11634-new-community-cases-13-deaths-reported
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April 7, 2022 1:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Calculator battery is flat – or something is flat
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

So, not content with being allowed to wear his WIG in jail, notorious Murderer & Child-Sex Offender PHILLIP JOHN SMITH is back in court facing Fraud charges!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1511864101324132358

Surely the question is, what was a piece-of-filth like him doing out of jail in the first place?
We thort scum like this were supposed to be ‘dealt to’ by other inmates?

Or is that just a load of BS?
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April 7, 2022 2:01pm
- cmm
  
  Maybe even the prisoners are woke these days.
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think he was out of jail.
  
  I think he conducts “businesses” from within jail.
  
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  April 7, 2022 2:25pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Silly me…..of course he does 😀
    
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    April 7, 2022 2:44pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: No doubt Smith is kept in segregation to protect him from other prisoners…I’m pretty sure offenders against children still get “dealt to” here wherever there is an opportunity. They certainly do in Oz, but then their prison service is considerably harsher than ours.
  
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  April 7, 2022 4:26pm
cmm

Does anyone think that the ALLEGED offender in the Hamilton kidnapping/extortion case, Troy Mudford, 21 is known to the courts?

Or is it just bad luck having the same name, and being the same age, as Troy Raymond Mudford, 18, who terrorised an Asian family in 2019?

He was jailed for two years (so probably only did one) in 2019.

Back then: “At the time of his attack Mudford was on bail and before the courts for earlier offending which included an assault on a police officer, smashing window panes of two separate houses and stealing a car which had belonged to his then-girlfriend.”

So quite likely all that was rolled into the two/one years in jail. Pretty sweet deal.

During the current ALLEGED offending he had a GPS tracker on – so likely has committed more offences since coming out of prison too.

Sometimes it just makes more sense to go out behind the shed with a shovel. But no, if the Maori party get their way, in 36 years he will be 57 and can become a pensioner.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hamilton-alleged-kidnapping-i-had-a-threat-against-my-baby-it-was-too-risky-to-call-the-cops/U265FO7G6RCEENLBQOTMTQPLFU/

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/113687709/cambridge-mans-random-vicious-attack-on-asian-couple-and-their-child
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April 7, 2022 2:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The similarities between Troy Mudford’s offending and that of Fraser Milne also back in 2019, is creepy!
  
  https://rnz.co.nz/news/394755/driver-jailed-for-show-of-uncontrolled-rage-after-ramming-into-auckland-family
  
  I recall someone commenting here at the time what a strange-looking fish he was.
  
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  April 7, 2022 3:26pm
Maggie Pie

Just caught Poto Williams telling Mark Mitchell….. “that she has increased Police numbers by 1400”.

Well I call bullsh*t on that!

It’s been over a year at least, since we’ve even seen a marked Patrol Car parked outside the Remuera Bakers Delight while the Cops eat their Custard Scrolls for morning tea.

Just saying.
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April 7, 2022 3:03pm
- Mike
  
  Perhaps you should not go to Remuera, but stay in Otahuhu if you want to see more police.
  
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  April 7, 2022 5:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Dear God, grant me the patience to endure all the window-licking, crayon-eating, helmet-wearing fcuktards I’ll encounter today.
    
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    April 7, 2022 5:28pm
    - alloytoo
      
      A worthy addition to the covid book of prayer.
      
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      April 7, 2022 5:31pm
bjools

Stuff
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/128200443/how-do-kiwi-supermarket-prices-compare-to-overseas-10-staples-10-supermarkets-10-countries
Misleading as it doesn’t take into account population and population density (indicating delivery distances)
and fuel costs
Aus $2.12 ASD
UK 1.64 UKP
USA $1.04 USD
France $1.93 USD
Germany $2.20 USD
Now look at it via volume of sales and it call is pretty even.
Also must be considered, many of the p[rices determined by global pricing.
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April 7, 2022 3:29pm
- Prince
  
  Also, NZ’s minimum wage is considerably higher that the other countries.
  Many people involved in the product cycle to from wharf/soil to counter are on minimum wage.
  But hiking the minimum wage has no negative effects, we are told by the Govt’s media constantly.
  By all mean increase the minimum/lower end wages, but don’t pretend they wont result in higher prices.
  
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  April 7, 2022 4:59pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Small minimum wage increases don’t really get noticed when the economy is pumping, but in our economy reeling from Robbonomics and been savaged by Ardernity it’s just adding fuel to the inflation fire.
    
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    April 7, 2022 5:29pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  NZ has 15% GST on food, UK doesn’t and Aus has a lower rate etc
  
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  April 7, 2022 7:04pm
Jack5

Master Mariner and the other seafarers and Old Salts who post on Kiwiblog will be acquainted with the NZ whaling shanty, Wellerman, which has recorded well over a hundred million “hits” on YouTube.

Here’s another NZ sea song, with only modest notice on YouTube so far, but with a real NZ sea taste:

https://youtu.be/9e1HnubElq8
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April 7, 2022 3:57pm
Captain Mainwaring

So NINE little scrotes depart the scene of a ram-raid in a stolen TOYOTA AQUA driven by an ELEVEN YEAR OLD.
Words fail me. Where are the parents? Where are the police? Where is the civilised society we used to enjoy?
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April 7, 2022 4:19pm
David Garrett

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/300560325/parents-fly-in-to-take-cat-paus-home-to-texas

I wonder of the parents have brought an American “double wide” coffin (aka “casket” in American) with them? They’ll certainly need a heavy duty forklift to get her on the plane!
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April 7, 2022 4:24pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Everything is bigger in Texas.
  
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  April 7, 2022 4:30pm
- David Garrett
  
  …and just for the record, I make no apology for “fat shaming”… these people who try and normalize morbid obesity are doing great harm to our people in general, and to our children in particular.
  
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  April 7, 2022 4:58pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Still, gotta feel for her parents. Burying a child, even one who was an adult, is just awful.
    
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    April 7, 2022 11:13pm
- curry4me
  
  Yes, “double wide” isn’t ust a thing for homes in trailer parks. Double wide caskets presume double wide plots, hearses, and crem ovens.
  
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  April 7, 2022 6:27pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Have to charter a C 17
  
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  April 7, 2022 6:59pm
greybeard

Louisa Wall gets a 2-year Pacific Islands holiday !
Girls included !
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April 7, 2022 4:57pm
- David Garrett
  
  I have missed this…which Pacific paradise is Ms Wall off to?
  
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  April 7, 2022 5:41pm
  - MCōs
    
    Auckland
    That is to say, where she lives now.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labour-mp-louisa-wall-lands-new-job-with-foreign-affairs/G32GJBOBXZFUHQGRTARPEZF5SY/
    
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    April 7, 2022 5:55pm
- MCōs
  
  Do I detect a degree of contempt in that comment?
  
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  April 7, 2022 5:52pm
  - David Garrett
    
    MCos: Not sure if that comment is directed at me? If so, no contempt at all. There are many “Pacific Paradises” – three of my four years in Tonga were some of the most enjoyable of my life.
    
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    April 7, 2022 6:17pm
    - MCōs
      
      Not directed at you, Mr Garrett
      
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      April 7, 2022 10:24pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  You leave Parliament and you get a nice sinecure with MFAT.
  
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  April 7, 2022 6:58pm
Prince

Get used to a lot more of this pretentious time- and money-wasting once separate court systems are fully embedded.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128299190/a-clear-attack-on-the-authority-of-ngi-thuriri–hap-slams-occupations-claim-of-red-zone-ownership
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April 7, 2022 5:01pm
Black with a Vengeance

Don’t know if it’s been done here but a tribute to the retiring Luteru Ross Taylor, NZ’s greatest batsman wouldn’t go amiss.

Another Samoan who rose to the very pinnacle of his chosen sport and represented Aotearoa as as fine a gentleman as ever there was to wield a cricket bat.

Fa’afetai lava Luteru. Ae mulimuli I le tulagavae I o tatou tua’a. Ia manuia lou Malaga. Soifua…CHEEHOOO!!!
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April 7, 2022 5:21pm
alloytoo

Apparently the Warehouse doesn’t want the business of people without masks.

Are they doing so well they don’t need our money?
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April 7, 2022 5:22pm
- Inandout
  
  used to frequent the Warehouse but found Mitre10 have a better selection.
  
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  April 7, 2022 6:06pm
- curry4me
  
  It wasn’t a problem when I went into the big red building last week in search of something with my mask exemption lanyard.
  
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