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krazykiwi

Going, Going, Not Gone

Today marks the end of mandated vaccine passes, most vaccine mandates and most gathering limits. While Ardern will say this milestone is driven by The Science™ one would need the intellect of an amoeba on Saturn to accept that argument. It is plainly vacuous nonsense. No, Ardern knows she’s lost the public, and for a low-EQ person who craves power and adoration in equal measure, this must be traumatic for her.

Before Covid-19 got cracking in NZ, as it inevitably would no matter Ardern’s messianic histrionics, she and her coterie of hand-picked ‘experts’ could control the narrative aided and abetted by the paid off media. The problem is no amount of painstakingly crafted panic porn can alter the fact that everyday tens of thousands of New Zealanders are surprising themselves by easily recovering from a bout of Covid-19. Mine was milder than any cold I can remember. Friends report that they routinely have worse hangovers. Our own ClanMcleod reports having had worse ingrown toenails. These are the truths we are experiencing, and an increasing number of New Zealanders are now seeing the huge delta between Ardern’s lies and panic porn, and their actual experience. Little wonder she appears to be backing off.

But in truth, she isn’t backing off.

Politicians who grant themselves power in an emergency can be relied upon to thereafter find ways to manufacture further emergencies. We are in this place now. Ardern’s government has left the plumbing in place to do it – or another incarnation of it – all over again. For example, if I ran a café, I am rightly not permitted to bar entry to gays, gingers, people with influenza, Māori, people with chlamydia, or people who looked at me oddly. That would be a breach of their human rights. But I am permitted to bar someone who has chosen to assert their moral and legal right to decline a medical treatment.

This is what some businesses are continuing to do today, supported by a raft of laws and so-called ‘health orders’ that remain on our statute books. I look forward to hearing Luxon’s commitment to unwind all this. But I won’t hold my breath, and neither should you.

Anyhow, it is time these shameful organisations were enumerated for all to see.

The Tyrannical Ten
I am taking nominations for the 10 most bio-fascist organisations in New Zealand. These organisations have excelled in the promotion of fear, the dismissal of rational judgement, and the clinging to evidence-free containment strategies even after our feckless government has made a spectacle of throwing in the towel. They could be somewhere you shop, an employer, or some other service provider.

My first nomination is for Air New Zealand. For clinging to vaccine passes despite there being no evidential basis for this policy. For clinging to valueless masking for the same reason. For insisting these things are for our health when they admit Covid-19 infected passengers to their aircraft just so long as they are vaccinated.

Feel free to nominate organisations who persist with human rights abusing containment theatre in respect of vaccination and mask policy.
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April 4, 2022 8:03am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Immediately thought of Air New Zealand before I read your next paragraph stating same.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:13am
- Surely Knott
  
  Auckland Council. Mandating libraries when bookstores were open. Mandating the rubbish tip!!!!!! Failing to provide no touch service – if you really believed unvaxxed were a risk you could have had a special lane at the tip for unvaxxed or left preordered books at a pickup area. But it was about coercion and punishment. Mandating suppliers who entered their building – using commercial coercion to take away other’s right to make a medical decision about a novel and only partially approved medicine.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:15am
  - artemisia
    
    Add Wellington City Council too. No decision on vax passes yet, just they are going ‘soon’ because there is a legal process to go through. Do they actually think about what they said? Or why other councils have managed to make a decision about what happens tonight?
    
    Have to give credit for them having a no contact pickup library book process. But no credit for making it so difficult people would have to be desperate since there are two suburban locations, miles apart and available for 1 hour a week each. Plus have to email the library in advance to book in. Staff must be terrified of something.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:12am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Add all those retailers such as Burnsco and Farmlands ( I’m not sure if it’s legally safe to mention them by name so please delete if necessary mods) who went over and beyond what was called for by the government by banning even those with exemptions from entering their premises without an ineffective face covering to keep up the theatre. These players are the ones that I will never do business with again they are quite at liberty of course to choose that course of action but I’m equally at liberty to never forget.
      
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      April 4, 2022 10:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Thanks for the heads up re Burnsco. I think I’ll write them an email.
        
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        April 4, 2022 10:27am
      - mawm
        
        Stellab – other retailers that required a vaxx pass – PB Tech and Smith and Caugheys. I’ll never darken their doorways again.
        
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        April 4, 2022 10:42am
    - artemisia
      
      Wellington City Council update this morning – ”We plan to remove the COVID Vaccine Pass (CVP) requirements at our public facilities from 12.01am, Friday 8 April 2022″.
      
      So Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday are in the danger zone, but Friday is all good. Though they do say it is ‘we plan’ not ‘we will’, so maybe it is like an Ardern plan announcement.
      
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      April 4, 2022 11:00am
      - artemisia
        
        And another and different update from Wellington City Council. The third change in the last few days and the second change today. I thought they said they had a plan. Incompetence, panic or both?
        
        ”COVID Vaccine Pass (CVP) requirements – We are consulting with our staff on the new COVID-19 settings. Until this process is complete, please continue presenting your My Vaccine Pass. We will provide an update by Friday 8 April.”
        
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        April 4, 2022 4:15pm
  - ecco
    
    Auckland City council are a bloody nightmare to work with. A totally bloated, inefficient, buckpassing organisation if there ever was one. I needed a bigger rubbish wheeli bin from them. Logged a request on their site for one on 1 February. Never heard back. I rang them a month later, they said they can’t deliver the bigger bin due to being in ‘covid red alert’. Have they ever heard of ‘click and collect’ out in the open air??
    
    They don’t know when they will be able to deliver it. Some 8 weeks later I still don’t have a big enough wheeli bin FFS.
    
    These council organisations are just using covid red alert as an excuse for any incompetence or inefficiency they have in their customer service levels. The ideal foil for them ‘ oh we can’t do anything because of ‘covid’ They are going to hate it when they don’t have that red alert excuse any more. It’s coming soon…
    
    Notice how they are the only organisation these days not spamming you with a customer service feedback questionnaire?
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:59am
    - SoloView
      
      @ ecco
      “Notice how they are the only organisation these days not spamming you with a customer service feedback questionnaire?”
      
      Putting that statement together with the rest of the article – is the Auckland City Council good or bad for not spamming us?
      
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      April 4, 2022 11:16am
      - ecco
        
        Point is everyone sends feedback questionaires. Auckland city council don’t want to know about any short goings in their service levels.
        
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        April 4, 2022 2:14pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Both of my parents in rather advanced age and each with underlying health issues have tested positive in the last fortnight and both are wondering what all the fuss was about. It really was a political crisis and certainly not a health one. Thanks for the debt and destruction Labour.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:15am
  - Jim
    
    Yep RP, I respect my 80 year old relative (with an underlying respiratory disease) who got over C19 in a couple of weeks at home. Most important lesson out of this experience being, he’s a very healthy weight, exercises daily and is fit for his age, loves socialising and living his life.
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:47am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I have just recovered from Covid, and I took a day off work to sleep. Took paracetamol, and after a couple of days I was mostly recovered. Mild cough, tired and a few chills. Worked from home.
    I know quite a few people who had it now. Some did get knocked by it, like a flu, but more tell me it was a sore throat or the like and already came right inside the 7 days.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:49am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I ended up with a squeaky voice, had hay fever type symptoms like itchy eyes, that was it, symptoms had passed before I tested positive, did not know I had it, went to work and pub, still didn’t know, once I tested positive, I was passed the infectious stage, no one in my immediate contacts got it after me
      
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      April 4, 2022 10:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, it’s great the elderly are starting to work this out, some of the older guys 80 plus at the pub could not believe how it hardly effected them.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:09am
    - 3-coil
      
      giantG: apparently Viagra provides better Covid vax protection than Pfizzer…but be careful and respectful when you’re quizzing the old fellas at the pub about it though!
      
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      April 4, 2022 10:17am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Behahahahahahaha, I am not too far behind them
        
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        April 4, 2022 11:18am
  - surfing
    
    Here’s a worthless anecdote that is even better than your worthless anecdote.
    
    Our friends, family of 5… all healthy but antivaxxers and reject antibiotics too, choosing to eat an exceptionally healthy diet instead. The daughter got vaccinated because she doesn’t hold their views.
    
    Household came down with covid, the mum was exceptionally sick, worst flu ever, still feels terrible.
    
    One person didn’t catch it….guess who? The vaxxed daughter didn’t catch it despite being isolated for a week with 4 positive cases.
    
    The mum now must deal with complications of post-covid.
    
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    April 4, 2022 12:23pm
    - dcrane
      
      Were any of them taking decent supplements of vitamins D, C, and Zinc? It is frustrating how little attention the government has paid to these extremely easy, low cost measures to reduce infections and improve outcomes.
      
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      April 4, 2022 2:33pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As we are often reminded when talking about vaccine adverse effects. “correlation is not causation.”
      Nor is an anecdotal story with a miniscule sample.
      
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      April 4, 2022 7:57pm
  - BeaB
    
    I am also of advanced age, overweight, sedentary, indolent, lots of health problems. Got what was a very mild cold – scratchy throat, headache, some (more) aches and pains. Lasted 3 days.
    So you don’t have to be sitting on a moral high horse to survive Covid.
    
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    April 4, 2022 12:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Email this to Jaspinda. You won’t get a reply, but just email once a day
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:18am
  - Colville
    
    Email away but you might get a visit form AOS to “check” your firearm storage and an unexpected IRD audit.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:08am
    - peterwn
      
      In fairness to IRD, they will not do audits at the whim of politicians etc since this would compromise the integrity of the tax system which IRD is legally obliged to uphold. Some years ago a IRD employee had a gripe about her landlord which caused another staff member to see if the landlord was declaring rental income. Even though the landlord was found to be not declaring rents received, IRD management ruled that initiating an investigation in such circumstances was unacceptable.
      The IRS in USA had a similar problem some years ago with politicians and others requesting particular people to be audited and decided they would not do audits unless there were valid grounds to audit.
      
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      April 4, 2022 10:36am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        In fairness to Colville, the IRD under this Government did do polling for Labour (using UMR of course) so they are at least a little compromised.
        
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        April 4, 2022 1:47pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Firearms got lost in a boating accident.
      IRD are welcome.
      
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      April 4, 2022 11:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Of course you will not get a reply – she does not see what is sent to her – her PR people vet everything to see if we still love her, and like Putin, she is only told what she wants to hear.
    Really, because she would not understand it even if she could learn to read with her mouth shut.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:25am
- Ruahine
  
  Definitely Air New Zealand as the most obnoxious and stupidest Gov’t owned Organisation in New Zealand. I just hate those infantile ‘safety’ lectures.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:22am
  - k1w1
    
    Their nannying treatment of customers is what prevented me buying shares in the company. It’s just so infuriating when you’re treated like a child. And a stupid one at that.
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:38am
    - Ra Henare
      
      And don’t mention the pre flight safety videos (yuck yuck yuck) and don’t get me started on the pre arrival in NZ video (vomit)
      
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      April 4, 2022 11:15am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Re Shares: A number of banks have an ethical investment funds eg ASB for investing in line with your ethics and values and it invests in clean energy, climate, clean water, affordable housing.
      
      But the very nature of the fund is investing in line with your politics so why is there only one investment fund as if there is only one set of issues.
      
      I’d like to see an ethical investment fund that addressed the growing power imbalance of the big globalists. Eg one that specifically doesn’t invest in blackrock, vanguard, amazon, facebook, anything with bill gates or pfizer, moderna, anyone whose CEO attends WEF or Davos. I’d like to see a fund that invests in liberalism and democracy. Eg companies that didn’t mandate, and that support liberalism. I’d like to see NZ farmers and innovation supported.
      
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      April 4, 2022 12:19pm
  - cmm
    
    They can only get away with it because the taxpayer insulates them from any repercussions.
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:44am
    - Master Mariner
      
      I’d have to say its because of Government Meddling in its operational requirements.
      
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      April 4, 2022 9:17am
  - 1920x1080p
    
    Uptick x 1,000,000.
    Just recently flew Air NZ. Happily filled out the survey they sent me after taking the flight.
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:59am
    - Jim
      
      I too had the misfortune of taking an Air NZ flight in December, and offered appropriate feedback.
      In truth, I’d rather enjoy a 6-8 hour road trip than humiliate myself with the pompous cattle truck mentality that is today’s monopolistic Air NZ experience.
      Having said that even that simple pleasure of ‘taking a roadie’ is being deliberately eroded by our own government. The the ideological partnership between NZP and NZTA is deliberately discouraging driving in NZ. This myopic obsession about speed is infuriating, and completely at the expense of real world accident causal factors like poor driving standards, impairment (drugs and drink), distraction (texting).
      In the city where I live, you can openly observe drivers visibly tapping away on their phones, often whilst simultaneously eating fast food, combing hair and doing make up, or performing some other ridiculous distraction.
      
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      April 4, 2022 12:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Every citizen is a kindy kid
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:25am
- I remember when
  
  Does anyone else feel like a ‘colour-blind’ motorist whenever the words ‘traffic lights’ are mentioned?
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:37am
  - Ehlana
    
    Road traffic lights are easy. As long as I have been driving, there have only been three colours: Green for go with care, Orange for stop unless you can’t safely do so and Red for stop.
    
    Covid traffic lights are not. Red seems to mean different things depending on what kind of red it is – I think there have been at least two different types so far, or is it three? Goodness knows what the other two will mean, if we ever see them.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:57am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Green? Have we ever actually been at green?
      
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      April 4, 2022 7:03pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – an article on Newshub pertinent to your post.
  
  Some businesses might carry on with this circus to “make a statement”.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/04/coronavirus-employment-lawyer-says-some-businesses-might-keep-covid-vaccine-passes-mandates-to-make-a-statement.html?cid=soc3:newshubfb
  
  “Employment lawyer Kathryn Dalziel told AM on Monday businesses can continue using vaccine passes as long as it doesn’t breach the Human Rights Act.”
  How can discriminating against someone on the basis of their private medical status not be a breach of their human rights?
  
  “If they [business] say we are going to continue with mandates, here are our health and safety reasons why, they’ve gone into consultation, they have done it in good faith and they have made the decision ‘yes we are going to carry on with the mandates’, then yes they can require employees to declare their vaccination status,” she said.
  
  With more and more employees heading back into the office after working at home for large parts over the last two years, some might ask their boss to avoid sitting next to someone who is unvaccinated.”
  
  We now know that vaccination status has zero bearing on infection or transmission of covid. The statements from this employment lawyer therefore make no sense. Why is the journalist involved not asking this most basic question?
  The circus continues.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:03am
  - k1w1
    
    Watching a bar owner on the news last night claim she will continue mandates, I couldn’t help but wonder how long she’ll be in business. People will soon get used to no ‘papers please’ and when asked by a small number of hold-out establishments, will likely demur out of principle. In the case of bars, there are plenty of others to choose from. I thought she was an idiot.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:45am
    - Jim
      
      Agree see my below post. These fools will reverse their position or go under in the next 6 months.
      
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      April 4, 2022 12:29pm
  - SoloView
    
    @ ClanMcleod
    re “How can discriminating against someone on the basis of their private medical status not be a breach of their human rights?”
    
    The Humans Rights discrimination categories:-
    
    https://www.justice.govt.nz/about/learn-about-the-justice-system/how-the-justice-system-works/the-basis-for-all-law/the-human-rights-act/
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:25am
  - Jim
    
    This is all going way beyond logic and reason, and is now delving into state sponsored discrimination.
    As I’ve posted before, the private sector must return to a common sense position ASAP in order to remain competitive.
    
    FACT: C19 was brought into NZ by a vaccinated person(s), so there describes the true efficacy of the vaccine in protecting both parties.
    
    Any such theoretical restaurant that wishes to virtue signal about the ‘safety and health’ in the interests of its clientele should be equally challenged when the next clinically obese couple arrive (vaccine passes in hand). Let’s consider the relative vulnerability of someone in such poor health, and the greater likelihood of their weaker immune system being compromised (i.e. carrying some infection).
    
    Best no one should even sneeze in a busy restaurant, otherwise you might have to evacuate, compensate the patrons and do a deep cleanse!
    
    Like I’ve said this is all going way beyond logic and reason, so ditch the (discriminatory) vaccine pass requirement now.
    
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    April 4, 2022 12:25pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Correction Jim. Covid 19 was NOT brought into the country by a vaccinated person – there were no vaccines available in February 2020 when Covid arrived.
      However, the DELTA variant WAS brought into the country in 2021 by a vaccinated person. 🙂
      
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      April 4, 2022 2:40pm
      - Jim
        
        Hi Don, thank you and agreed. Updated:
        FACT: C19 Delta and Omicron variants were transmitted through NZ border by a vaccinated person(s), so there describes the true efficacy of the vaccine in protecting both parties from infection.
        
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        April 4, 2022 5:03pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Mine was milder than any cold I can remember. Friends report that they routinely have worse hangovers.
  
  Same here, General Xi’s Lung Rot virus comes visiting.
  
  We’ve known since early 2020 that this virus kills a small percentage of the elderly and those with health problems. There really is nothing that different at a society level from the Diamond Princess:
  
  712 became infected with the virus – 567 of 2,666 passengers, and 145 of 1,045 crew. Figures for total deaths vary from early to later assessments, and because of difficulties in establishing causation. As many as 14 are reported to have died from the virus, all of them older passengers – an overall mortality rate for those infected of 2%
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:18am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Awh, the wee white-feathered Kiwi claims having had Covid. I heard he/she is going to write a book on organising a protest to get shit all over yourself. You know what Nicola said about cowards KK.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Did someone forget to padlock the gate under the bridge again?
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I haven’t been able to get out much due to the covid restrictions. I won’t go into any business asking for a mask or a pass. But based on my limited knowledge of who the worst of these people are, I will nominate Auckland Council.
  When I asked them for a copy of their process for deciding that I was a medical risk to others and therefore I was barred from accessing any of the facilities or services I help pay for, I was sent an opinion piece from an online opinion piece site called “The Conversation”. This was the “science” they based their decision on.
  As an interesting aside, I did a bit of research on “The Conversation” as it seemed to be a very biased site. I noticed the comments sections are heavily censored. I noticed Michael Baker and Michael Plank are reasonably regular contributors. I noticed that “The Conversation” was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Well colour me shocked.
  
  “Correlation is not causation.” “We have always been at war with Eastasia.” “2 + 2 = 5.”
  
  https://theconversation.com/us/partners/the-bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:41am
  - curry4me
    
    So I guess “theconversation” should be spelled the con-versation then? Presumably the science it uses is political science.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:54am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I shouldn’t have been, but I was a little shocked that they were funded by Gates. It becomes so bloody obvious that there will be massive conflict of interest. Like Baker’s Otago University, their Infection Group receives funding from The Gates Foundation and GAVI. Both massive proponents and financial beneficiaries from vaccines. It’s not rocket science.
      
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      April 4, 2022 10:33am
      - mawm
        
        Bill Gates sticky fingerprints are all over the place with regards to covid, the vaccine, vax passes, etc. Even the falsification of the conclusion of the ivermectin review done for the WHO.
        
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        April 4, 2022 10:51am
  - Opie
    
    I would nominate any golf course that mandated vaccines to play. This was not required by the government or even golf nz. Course took it upon themselves to enforce it. You know, walking around by yourself on 20 acres… really dangerous stuff.
    
    Can understand entry to the bar as covered by law (of course that I’d wrong too but they are just complying as you would expect) but to ban the un vaxxed from the course makes no sense.
    
    A few good ones did passes only for the bar and let alcomers play.
    
    My favorite though was a course that had no restrictions whatsoever, except for a post it note on one toilet cubicle door that said “unvaccinated only”. Of course it wasn’t a full height door and shared the air with the rest of the changing rooms!
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:05am
    - Jim
      
      LoL same as: urination is only allowed in the shallow end.
      
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      April 4, 2022 12:27pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Yep, the Conversation is an uncontested monologue. I was quickly banned for challenging the party line. Just a nasty propaganda outlet.
    
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    April 4, 2022 3:29pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Gates funds The Conversation? Wow. Good work, Clan. It helps to know their backers. Thanks.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:10pm
- Magnus Forteman
  
  I just don’t get the blanket mandates in organizations like Air NZ. I am (was) a contractor working outside, away from everyone. This is not allowed. Flying with them on a negative RAT is fine though. No logic.
  I thought under OSHA businesses were obliged to carry out (and review) role-specific requirements to ensure suitability.
  Also, I’m going to start using the term “bio-fascists” from now on
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:45am
- Zero Kindness
  
  I would nominate PWC who I think were the first major private corporate to ban the unvaccinated from their premises. They may have dropped the requirement now as most sensible businesses will do but their enthusiasm to discriminate has ensured I will never deal with them again.
  I look forward to testing out the unmasked and no vaccine pass approach in various hospitality venues around Wellington over the next few weeks and will report back to KBer’s all that are unwilling to receive my custom.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:02am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I work for a business that banned all/any unvaccinated from their premises. I’ve also been told to not meet with any of my team outside the office as ‘the power imbalance might make them feel unable to decline, thereby causing them pain’. This ends in May. I’m very much looking forward to a normal, sit-down coffee and chat with my team. It will have been 5 months of Zoom.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:16pm
    - jgw739
      
      My boss will be happy that after 5 months I will be getting a haircut.
      My customers will be happy that after 5 months I can shout them lunch at the club.
      More importantly, my kids will be happy that after 5 months I can take them to the movies.
      Ironically, I have saved a bit of coin over the past 5 months!
      
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      April 5, 2022 12:41am
- Clownworld
  
  Thanks KrazyKiwi for elucidating logically what a lot of NZers think.
  
  I will nominate the Wokewhare, nominally known as The Firowhare who very quickly jumped the gun and “asked” their workers to agree to mandating vaccines even though they didn’t have to. It was good they ” asked” them, however it was a done deal in conjunction with the union prior.
  
  They wanted pr headlines to show how much they cared? Bit like their woke representative , one of the cabal paid for by the taxpayer ( assumption) to go with James to the global climate change conference burning more fossil fuels.
  
  Not only that but when the crisis happened in 2020 prior to vaccines, they offered workers the option to drop pay by certain % or consider alternative options which may include redundancy. Having offered this those who could not afford or swallow the pay cut, looked to keep their job without being made redundant were given no other option. It was clear there were no other options than redundancy, a lie to their own workers.
  
  One week after many took redundancy, the Wokehouse due to profits which they knew before the redundancies were made, then said they were now giving the pay cuts back to those who took a pay drop.
  
  The main reason for their nomination however is the claim to be an organisation praising diversity of thought and inclusiveness to all, but instituting medical apartheid under the mask of health and safety.
  
  To add insult to injury, their insufferable move to embrace the great reset, playing Klaus 4th industrial revolution to their workers and seeing the opportunity to be the corporate communist NZ face of retail.
  
  Te Warehaus is simply a vehicle to propagandise the global communist agenda.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:04am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Interesting. Many employers have been forced to show their true colours of late. The Warehouse sounds like a shocker.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:19pm
    - Clownworld
      
      Yes unfort KK the corrupt CEO was forced to get rid of at least 2 executives he hired, both for undisclosed reasons. The founder should be shocked but has let his own former employees down.
      
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      April 6, 2022 3:19am
- Matt Long
  
  Old folks homes that wouldn’t allow our neighbor to visit his mum with a new PCR test but let untested, unboosted, vax passed people visit freely.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:31am
- Dairy Flat
  
  Sheep dog trials down the road in Lowburn a couple of months ago, big “vax pass rqd.” sign at the gate. Outdoor low density event, more sheep and dogs than bipeds, and you needed a vax pass. Muppets.
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:00am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sheep dog trials? Wow. Just wow
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:19pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Well dogs can get WuHan. Sheep though cannot…sheep being those who bow down and worship what MSM deems correct. Must obey and now blue/yellow is a dress code.
    
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    April 6, 2022 3:26am
- Surely Knott
  
  Air NZ requires anyone 18yrs and older to be vaccinated for international travel. 12 years and older for domestic travel or RAT test. Why the age difference? Following the science….? Yeah I think not.
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:48pm
Warren

Labours woes about to get harder with the winter conditions about to hit us and possible snowing parts of the South Island.
So this means more increases especially with higher Electricity usage creating higher bills, more fuel consumption and the need for winter clothes to cope, so the twenty dollars a week increase that Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and the Labour Government gave won’t cover much at all and the winter energy payments don’t arrive until May 1st.
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April 4, 2022 8:03am
- Master Mariner
  
  Just wait for an El Nino Weather event.
  Dams are dry and drought conditions blamed on you guessed it. Climate change//
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:55pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    And your explanation is?
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:26pm
Yvette

Co-governance
Yesterday the first interview in The Platform Studio was with David Seymour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYZWCmx0pJs

Disappointingly David Seymour, in regard to the Indigenous People’s Declaration, says, “John Key made a huge mistake thinking that it wouldn’t have great consequences. … if you sign it, you’ve got to follow it, and that’s what the Government’s now doing, in a way you can’t blame them. They.re just putting in place what John Key signed New Zealand up to.”

Rubbish!

In fact, in his United Nations New York speech, Pita Sharples stated –

8 – In moving to support the Declaration, New Zealand both affirms those rights and reaffirms the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system . Those existing frameworks, while they will continue to evolve in accordance with New Zealand’s domestic circumstances, define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the aspirational elements of the Declaration.

9 – In particular, where the Declaration sets out aspirations for rights to and restitution of traditionally held land and resources, New Zealand has, through its well-established processes for resolving Treaty claims, developed its own distinct approach.

14 – We will continue that conversation within the relationship that the Treaty and New Zealand’s constitution as a whole affords . Further, we will continue to work in international fora to promote the human rights of indigenous peoples. New Zealand acknowledges the ongoing process of dialogue and debate over the meanings that may be given to the aspirations put forward by the Declaration.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/supporting-un-declaration-restores-nzs-mana
also see Hansard – https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/49HansD_20100420_00000071/ministerial-statements-un-declaration-on-the-rights-of

It appears part of Labour’s agenda is to muddy the transparency around New Zealand’s belated and conditional acceptance of the non-binding aspirations of the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
David Seymour should not be helping them.

He should read Sharples speech again, instead of uttering misinformation.
And Luxon should read it as well
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April 4, 2022 8:03am
- Scott
  
  Yvette – you are not seeing the wood for the trees. David Seymour is the only politician right now speaking against co-governance. Chris Luxon is still keeping his powder dry though National has promised to repeal three waters.
  
  We must not accept co-governance. It will mean the end of one person and one vote. It will mean the end of representative democracy.
  
  What it will mean is the reintroduction of primitive tribal rule and the end of a coherent country.
  Who wants to go back to incessant tribal warfare and living in a mud hut? I sure don’t.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:24am
  - leoj
    
    You have landed squarely on Luxon’s problem.
    The guy is too slow, too weak and too woke.
    This issue is a no-brainer and for him to “keep his powder dry” is downright stupid.
    National needs help but Luxon is not up to it.
    If he can’t see this blatant co-governance as an opportunity to stick it this out-of-control fiasco of a govt, he needs to step aside.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:50am
  - coge
    
    Steadfast, enthusiastic, unquestioningly eager endorsement of State mandated segregation (and vax passports) Doesn’t qualify Luxon as having kept his powder dry.
    
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    April 4, 2022 4:53pm
- Tricati
  
  Well put Yvette and thanks for the links.
  National need to get out and loudly point out Labour’s deliberate agenda to muddy the waters to their co-governance advantage. When more rational thinking people see the ‘mis-information’ being pushed here, the credibility of Labour’s argument will become more tenuous, if possible.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:51am
- Justitia
  
  UNDRIP is not a treaty, therefore it is not binding in international law. New Zealand has previously made its position on this clear to the UN as Yvette points out. Seymour needs to take better advice. You cannot allow the contention to become widely accepted that somehow we must fulfil an obligation to the UN when there is none.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:20am
  - Nickc2
    
    We can withdraw from any commitment made to the UN whenever and for whatever reason eg new Govt, new public demand, technological change, etc.
    What can that bunch of self-flagellating dumb arses do about it? SQUAT!
    We could even withdraw from the effin UN if we had a mind to. That’d piss Cindy off should she be there.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:57am
    - mawm
      
      Personally I think it would be a step forward to withdraw from the useless expensive UN and all the other unelected agencies that think they can change the way we live, work and play.
      
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      April 4, 2022 11:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’m with you on that one!
        
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        April 4, 2022 12:00pm
      - Paulus
        
        Not until Ardern gets her job at the UN before we quit though.
        
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        April 4, 2022 1:17pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Reform in NZ is done in little bites. It was entirely predictable that this would happen when Key let Sharples sign and you would have to be very naive to think otherwise. Remember the introduction of speed cameras? Clearly signposted, only I accident black spots, only ever targetti g the fastest 10% of cars – so absolutely nothing to worry about.
  National supporters need to own this one and learn from it!
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:12am
  - kowtow
    
    Not to mention what I consider to have been a shocking affront to private property rights with their Maori Party inspired anti tobacco legislation.
    
    If they can do it to tobacco they can do it to anything .Like your choice of car …….
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  This government only knows muddy waters, just like the treaty, lefties read far more into it than actually appears in the writing.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:23am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I went for a Sunday drive along Transmission Gully. A steady stream of traffic in both directions suggests that others were doing likewise. It was an odd feeling to drive through scenery that was completely new to me, even though it’s just a few miles from home.

I thought that the drive is much easier than Ngauranga Gorge – less steep & shallower curves. The uphill stretches have a truck lane. However, there were noticeable patches where the road surface looked worn, not the billiard table you’d expect of a motorway with just four days under its belt.

Anyway, it’s nice to see a return on the $1.2B, in sharp contrast to the shockingly poor spending over the last four years
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April 4, 2022 8:03am
- mandk
  
  I did the same.
  
  It’s a beautifully engineered road and the scenery is great. The roadside planting is also coming along nicely.
  
  I timed my journey back from Mackays Crossing to Upper Hutt: 26 minutes.
  
  It used to take 40+ minutes via the Paekakariki Hill Road or via Plimmerton.
  
  It will be great when Peka Peka to the other side of Otaki is also open. I’m guessing that will save another 10 minutes, depending on time and day of travel.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:33am
Raphael

The government is continuing its attack on Councils through their media pets.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/03/exclusive-over-a-million-kiwis-dont-have-safe-drinking-water/
This is factually false. As a lot of the criteria are things that don’t affect water safety.
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April 4, 2022 8:04am
- G152
  
  The water quality up to now has generally been okay and used by us without problem.
  Its just another asset grab
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:17am
  - Raphael
    
    Yep, and they keep on using the Napier/Hastings issue from a couple of years back where the water got contaminated. Their water was not being treated, BUT that was what the ratepayers wanted (so not really the fault of the Council)
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s time the Napier Hastings flood contamination was called out for what it was, it was another example of ineptitude, where a staffer left the lid of a bore, and the flood washed sheep shit into the supply, why are these mongrels trying to suggest it was a breakdown of water quality? I know Ardern is thick and probably has no idea what she is commenting on, but it’s time this rubbish was called out.
      
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      April 4, 2022 10:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why would any Council improve water quality if they are going to lose control? 3 waters can upgrade it//
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:25am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, the Politbearuo’s Media Arm (TVNZ1 was at it again in their 6PM News yesterday pushing the need for 3 Waters legislation in order to save the Team of 5 Million from Local white-dominated Councils. It was so contrived that Disney Studios couldn’t have done better.
  Then, to follow it up, they set about promoting that old News Chestnut called Hate Speech regulation. Yes, they were bagging Social Media for saying bad things about Politicians and pushing the Govt’s drive towards legislating anti-Free Speech laws.
  IMO, they’ll probably be asking for another Taxpayer subsidy sooner than the next Election Campaign.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:36am
- Yvette
  
  Raphael – from your link – Taumata Arowai is the new drinking water authority and has been given a range of new powers as part of Three Waters reform.
  
  Taumata Arowai https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz
  
  1 – going beyond co-governance, Taumata Arowai appears to have no English name,
  anyhow –
  
  2 – Taumata Arowai was established mid-November last year with no fanfare because, although independent, it blows the “3 Waters” Havelock North safety arguments “out of the water”, and leaves “3 Waters” pipe-laying and maintenance as about its only other feature, which I can’t see Maori elite being that much interested in.
  
  This fucking Government can’t be transparent when it even comes to water
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:06am
  - Rich Prick
    
    3 – Taumata Arowai is empowered to seek rent to be paid to its elite friends and family.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:34am
Simon

Labour vs National = Zero covid nutjob civil war.
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April 4, 2022 8:05am
Simon

Jaxx injuries monitored and investigated by the same government department that approved the jaxxs in the first place. Utter clown world.

Independent commission to run jaxx injuries. Given the rate and extent of jaxx injuries at some point soon anyone still insisting (like an employer, government or otherwise) or paid to promote jaxxs should face prosecution.
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April 4, 2022 8:09am
- MCōs
  
  What is a ‘jaxx’ injury?
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:48am
  - RalphT
    
    I think the proper name is a jacksie injury, where the drivel spouted by a Labour politician gives you a pain in the bum.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    A Jabcinda vaxx.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:46am
  - SoloView
    
    @ MCos
    I didn’t know what a ‘jaxx” injury was either.
    Interesting to see the high number of down ticks you received for asking the question
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:38am
    - MCōs
      
      Guess I’m not one of the in crowd.
      
      From the explanations provided I’m picking there is no explanation.
      
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      April 4, 2022 1:51pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Not one in your comprehension range.
        
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        April 4, 2022 8:09pm
  - mogg
    
    Used in context it would be, ‘you can stick it up your jaxxi’
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:48am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The real issue is that vax injuries are often seen as unprovable. Someone has a sudden heart issue mere weeks after getting vaxed – you can’t prove it was the vax. Basically, unless the person fell over immediately after getting the vax, it doesn’t count.
  
  We had a significant potential vax injury in our family but it doesn’t count because it could have been a coincidence.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That has been happening everywhere. Even some people I know who got the jab then got sick a few days later refused to acknowledge it might be connected. There is no way of knowing without serious medical testing. But it is obvious from the numbers arising. Something alarming is happening with this experimental product.
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:37am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Another indication that vaccine-related issues are very common place, and known to be so, is the sudden prevalence of articles in various publications normalising heart issues, strokes and other malladies in, especially, young people who would hitherto have never been subject to any such risk. It’s no coincidence that these narratives appear right on the back of a mass rollout of a vaccine where even its manufacturers have (grudgingly) released actual data corroborating the concept of post-vaccination health issues.
      
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      April 4, 2022 11:56am
    - mawm
      
      Pfizer contaminated the placebo arm of their trial by vaccinating them. I would hate to accuse them of doing it deliberately to hide the number and severity of adverse effects…….. but they do have form.
      
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      April 4, 2022 1:34pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes. They unblinded their trial at 90 days. This decision would have been taken 7-10 days earlier, just as the vaccine’s antigen performance started to degrade. We truly are living in an age where harm has been perpetrated on humans at an unprecedented level.
        
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        April 4, 2022 8:41pm
  - Littletramp
    
    The effectiveness of the vaccine is also un-provable. How can anyone know what an outcome would have been, if an action was not taken?
    We have all been played and still they persist.
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:03am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Precisely. “If x, then y” is an unverifiable and inherently speculative proposition, when x was never the case in fact.
      
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      April 4, 2022 11:59am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yup. It is an unfalsifiable assertion. First trialed widely by the climate scammers. Now by the Covid alarmism benefactors.
        
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        April 4, 2022 8:43pm
  - Mummy
    
    Close family member who is a nurse did the training to become a jabber and part of that training was an advanced CPR course. What does that tell you?
    
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    April 4, 2022 1:48pm
k1w1

So the Govt is somehow planning on cracking down on diesel owners pre-buying loads more RUC miles than they should be allowed to buy? Who decides? How? What if I usually buy them in 3000-5000 lots, but plan on a long trip in the near future? They don’t want my money? Morons.
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April 4, 2022 8:10am
- Colville
  
  I usually buy 30,000 at a time and I will be dong so as soon as the discount comes in and the day before the discount goes out!
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:27am
  - k1w1
    
    I only buy 3-5k at a time but was intending on stocking up. If ‘computer says no’ then I’ll want to know 1) why not, and 2) how many can I buy, then? And would they like me to queue for bread with a 2-loaf limit?
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      They did the thing with the bread already.
      I went to pak n save a while ago to do my 3 monthly stock up and they would only let me have 4 cans of any type of food. I can’t really see the point in going back there.
      
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      April 4, 2022 9:01am
      - RalphT
        
        We had the ridiculous situation a year ago where our supermarket had a limit of four on a particular flavour of cat food. So I couldn’t buy six of the flavour he liked (I could have gone back several times, but weren’t they trying to get us to limit our visits?) but could have four of half a dozen flavours.
        
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        April 4, 2022 9:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe RUC are increasing soon, so they want you to pay the new rate?
  Cunning as shithouse rats
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:32am
- greybeard
  
  I see nothing wrong in stocking up: it is no different to buying a bulk lot of petrol which qualified for the tax reduction.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:11am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Only if you can store the liquid fuel.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:12am
- DeepBlue
  
  Seems legislation might be to allow for NZT audits of extraordinary stocking. So if you did use them on a trip then that would be an explanation.
  
  Best bet would be to buy early then take a gamble on how large you can risk buying again in <3 months.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:11am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Nein Nein Nein dummkopf eats about controlling your RUC purchasing behaviour. They might run out🤣🤣🤣🤣
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    Well thought through legislation eh? Obviously, none of this Govt has Diesel Vehicles and probably doesn’t even know what RUCs are, what they cost, and when.
    What they do know however is how to charge for the fucking things and where to waste the money gained from their sale.
    
    Hold the fort, some smoke signals from the Beehive are saying they have some spare money to build houses, and any Marae that wants some should get in early before those people in Motueka take the lot.
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  This is utterly ridiculous, give a discount and tell users not to bother, most people I know get 10000 at a time, the price will be the price for 3 months, why can’t a large transport company still be able to get their million k when they feel like it, I hope s as someone sets an example at takes this arrogance to court.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:40am
Master Mariner

And another prediction coming to light.

https://nationwidecarshipping.us/news/importing-evs-into-nz-could-turn-into-tougher-and-extra-pricey-after-us500m-ship-hearth/

“Routhan estimated MOL was chargeable for delivery about 80 per cent of automobiles to New Zealand.”

There are currently a lot of serious concerns shipping EV’s and So far this looks the first Major Carrier to pull the plug. I’m surprised the Insurers have waited so long and looks likely to be the trend.

Not at all surprising but the time its taken for the Shipping companies to act. A rolling stone gathers no moss.
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April 4, 2022 8:10am
- cmm
  
  What could make more sense is to pull the batteries out and send the batteryless cars on normal car carriers. Then ship the batteries themselves in some other vessel more suited to the job.
  
  That way if the batteries catch fire then just the batteries burn – not all the rest of the vehicle.
  
  Of course loading and unloading unpowered vehicles would take longer though…
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:52am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes, There are some serious work going on with regards to EV shipping, Mainly by Classification Societies.
    
    Thinking the same, Containerise the Batteries and segregate as per IMDG Code and cars seperately.
    
    Regardless, The costs of getting them here will exponetianally rise.
    Maybe the feebate will go solely towards shipping costs.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:09am
  - bennerg
    
    Portable temporary batteries might work for the short trip on/ off the boat.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:17am
  - westernScientist
    
    Wouldnt that require a complete redesign of the cars though? I could be completely wrong, but I thought changing the batteries in an EV was quite a task to disassemble the car to get to them.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:37am
    - Jack5
      
      WesternScientist, you are right.
      
      Taking the battery out of an electric or hybrid car is no trivial task.
      
      For example, here’s a demonstration of removal of the battery from a Toyota Prius:
      
      https://youtu.be/4YWu-sA3UyU
      
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      April 4, 2022 10:49am
      - Local Miller
        
        You would have thought they would put the battery in like they did the fuel tanks, suspended under and outside the car so they could be easily removed.
        
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        April 4, 2022 11:49am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    A great idea, shipping the batteries separately, but can you imagine the cost? It Rather than a ship with a few hundred batteries it would be a few thousand. I can only imagine the fire risk equipment that would be required let alone the paperwork etc?
    The extra costs would certainly negate any (taxpayer funded) subsidy from the government.
    
    Yet another dopey idea from an increasingly dopey government.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:51am
- curry4me
  
  Oh dear, it ain’t easy being “green”. I wonder how far the insurance companies are behind in changing policy? A rash of Pious, and Tesla fires. Then an announcement from on high. Best to hold off buying a coal powered car for a while then. I wonder if “alternative virtue signals” is trending on Google yet?
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:03am
  - kowtow
    
    Pious fires.
    
    Holy smoke .
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:06am
    - curry4me
      
      Ecellent. I’m not sure if the smoke would be pious, or holy. Probably pious, and toxic.
      
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      April 4, 2022 6:35pm
- Local Miller
  
  The part I enjoyed most about this link is that it appears to be an automatic translation into English with some hilarious results:
  “the lithium batteries within the EVs on board helped gasoline the fireplace which the crew have been unable to deliver underneath management.”
  I assume should be something like:
  “the lithium batteries within the EVs on board helped FULE the FIRE which the crew WERE unable to BRING UNDER CONTROL.”
  Even the heading “Ship Hearth” LOL.
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:30am
Ehlana

Our new water authority, apart from seeking the gift of an English name (for a suitable fee), could usefully produce some history for us. I would like to know, from the early 1990’s when asset management plans were introduced to today, how well each Council has done in following them. I’d also like to know what the depreciation charges on water assets have been over that time and what the spending on repairs, maintenance and new assets has been, as well as the political persuasions of the dominant groups on Council.

I suspect the picture could be quite enlightening.
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April 4, 2022 8:15am
- Swifty
  
  Many moons ago I presented to a local authority a 10 year asset management plan calling for $4.5 Billion of spending on new (critical infrastructure) works, maintenance and renewals and with 600 pages of supporting information detailing the benefits and costs of doing so and the risks of not.
  
  At the end of the planning cycle this had been whittled down to 3.5 Billion while hundreds ons hundreds of millions had been found annually for ‘nice to haves’ in comparison.
  
  To say those elected representatives let us down by those choices back then is a massive understatement.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:25am
kevn

@Raphael… Just a softening up for the next push on the 3 waters jack-up.
Can you all see that?
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April 4, 2022 8:16am
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweets…

How long till ‘New Zealand’ disappears altogether from our most valuable document?

https://twitter.com/Strange_G/status/1510134532380708868
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April 4, 2022 8:16am
- MCōs
  
  My first passport was English/French language and British Subject was prominently displayed.
  At the time I didn’t give two hoots, but looking back it’s rather quaint.
  Terrible photo.
  
  My mother, who was English, only had her own passport because Dad was Kiwi. If he had been English as well she would have been added to his one, which would have meant if he was using it she was stuck in old blighty.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:15am
Inandout

The radio blurb tells us that the winter flu vaccine is now available and it is free for some. Yep, that time of the year again but the blurb adds that this vaccine is a ‘prescription medicine’ and should be treated as such by reading any side effects. Then we get the covid ad imploring whanau and tamariki to get their booster to ‘keep us all safer’ and ‘if you have any concerns then speak with us’. Now, is not the booster a prescription medicine and therefore should we not read about side effects?
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April 4, 2022 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I would love to see Jaspinda answer this – and have someone to translate the word soup waffle
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Even worse, the covid booster is without doubt, an experiment. The fraudulent trials and data from Pfizer is slowly being exposed. There was never any mention of “boosters” when this jab was first advocated. There can be no doubt they are making this up as they go along.
  Two years ago I was considering getting the flu vaccine for the first time as I had recently turned 60. After watching and listening to the lies and misinformation coming out of the MoH, and realising that Medsafe approved this jab without doing thorough investigation into the safety of it, I won’t be going near the flu jab or any other.
  They have sadly destroyed my trust in the health system.
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:50am
  - cmm
    
    What destroyed my trust even more is that they made it all about the vaccine and only the vaccine.
    
    Where was the promotion of general health and immunity? Where was the information about Vit D, obesity, smoking and other factors.
    
    The benefits of Vit D are completely uncontroversial and have been known about for over 1000 years (the Vikings took cod liver oil). Yet somehow there wasn’t a peep form the MoH on that.
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:56am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly.
      
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      April 4, 2022 9:54am
    - stiff cheese
      
      Newshub Nation has been trying to talk to Ashley Bloomfield since August 2020.
      
      I don’t remember ever hearing the words ‘vitamin D’ from Bloomfield’s lips … he was all about promoting novel ‘vaccines’ …
      
      Someone in the media should ask if he regrets not emphasizing OTHER THINGS people could’ve done, to boost their immune systems … but it won’t be Newshub Nation — their guy on the weekend spoke to Fauci — then said they’d been trying to get Bloomfield to come on for 19 months! He won’t do it but the offers still open…
      
      Shouldn’t NZ’s highest paid public servant be more available to media scrutiny?
      
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      April 4, 2022 12:42pm
    - Mummy
      
      They deliberately blocked any reference to healthy living, in fact called it misleading. No doubt because many may have thought it an alternative to getting the jab.
      https://hatchardreport.com/the-jacinda-papers/
      
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      April 4, 2022 1:57pm
I remember when

Democracy denied? Why commissioners replace councillors: msn.com
If councils become political entities do they start acting like the states in US.
Left, right, green.
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April 4, 2022 8:23am
NeverMindTheBollocks

A Motueka marae is to receive nearly $10m of public funding to build houses for its members. Very worthy, I’m sure. No word in the article whether this is a loan or a gift. If the latter then there should be real questions in the Govt giving taxpayers’ money to a group to construct houses that not all citizens can access.

It would also be interesting to test the ‘nearly $10m’. What due diligence has been done? Will there be monitoring to see where the money actually goes. Has this cost been included in the nearly $10m, or is it additional?

Because, let’s be clear, $10m is a lot of money. It’s bigger than some Treaty settlements, and this cash does not appear to be linked to any settlement. So, presumably it’s extra.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128251626/mauri-stone-laying-at-te-whina-marae-marks-site-of-20-new-homes
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April 4, 2022 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  NM, it is all very well building houses for their people but what of regular repayments? I can’t imagine the marae heads chucking homeowners out of the houses due to mortgage default; that is not the marae way. Looked at another way is this the first stage of a separate Maori nation, albeit propped up by the rest of NZ?
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:40am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    There’s no mention of repayments in the Stuff article; it speaks of a Crown “investment”. Back in the day, you would expect an investment to have a financial return; nowadays Labour often present social good outcomes as a return on investment. Which it is is not at all clear from the article; whether this is just sloppy reporting I couldn’t say.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:38am
- Nickc2
  
  {Deleted – casual racism. mod.]
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    Let me reword.
    We (the Govt) will give you whatever you want so long as you Motueka people don’t raise objections to our 3 Waters Legislation.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:22am
- mandk
  
  The article indicates a total cost of $12.3 million, which is a hell of a lot to build 20 houses, given that there was presumably no land purchase cost.
  
  Lovely jubbly, as Del Boy Trotter would say.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

70 of our Senior scientists and Academics have expressed their lack of confidence in the Academy Executive and Council of the Royal Society of NZ

Unfortunately, others have been too afraid to join with 70 fellows.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-the-intimidation-of-the-fellows
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April 4, 2022 8:25am
- westernScientist
  
  They are too busy with this lot:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300555479/civil-disobedience-by-scientists-expected-this-week-over-climate-change
  
  BTW if you go to the “science rebellion” website you can find this direct quote:
  
  The majority of our group have a natural or social sciences background, but several of our members do not and we welcome everyone to join. For the actions, we expect that two thirds of the people are scientists (normally identified as wearing white labcoats).
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:56am
- Master Mariner
  
  MW “Unfortunately, others have been too afraid to join with 70 fellows.”
  
  The question immediately springs to my mind is the “Calibre” of the other Fellows to join.
  
  Maybe promoted way above their Pay Grade.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:13am
I remember when

Pros and Cons of increasing EVs in NZ:
Reduce fuel taxes and it slows the incentives.
Cost of shipping EVs has increased significantly.
What are the alternatives to EVs longterm.
What is the future of hydrogen.
How do they get the trickle-down effect to work with EVs.
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April 4, 2022 8:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hydrogen probably, but tell that to the poor who will need a new hydrogen car
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:00am
  - cmm
    
    Hydrogen is a terrible idea, but it sounds cool to people who do not understand physics.
    
    Hydrogen cannot be dug out of the ground or whatever. It has to be manufactured from other energy sources and there are basically two:
    
    * Chemical: Start with methane (CH4) or whatever, then react it in some way to split the hydrogen from the other elements. This leaves waste products and is hugely wasteful of energy. eg. if it was goming from methane, you’d do far better to burn the methane.
    
    * Electrolysis: Use electricity to split hater into hydrogen and oxygen. Again, hugely wasteful. The hydrogen energy produced is way less than the electrical energy put in. You’d do better to use the electricity directly.
    
    Further, once you have hydrogen it’s hard stuff to work with.
    
    If you’re going to store it as a gas, you need very high pressures (900 bar or so – 4x the pressure in SCUBA tanks) to make it viable. Pumping the stuff around is hard. Impractical.
    
    If you’re going to store it as a liquid you need cryogenic storage. Completely impractical. Just call that one impossible.
    
    The only real way to do it is with absorbtion (eg. metal hydrides). Even then the density is low, reducing how practical this can be.
    
    So while hydrogen might sound sexy, it’s quite another thing to make it work in the real world.
    
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    April 4, 2022 2:24pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Hydrogen is also highly explosive, and would pose many safety risks. Remember the Zeppelin exploding in NY.
      
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      April 4, 2022 5:00pm
- Inandout
  
  EV owners should demand ‘clean’ electricity to recharge their vehicles i.e. hydro, thermal and gas. To be true to their mantra fossil fuelled power station electricity should be shunned. Can the EV evangelists demand this, especially the ones with $224,000 Teslas.
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:47pm
Maggie Pie

Saw this on my partners PC earlier from one of his contacts based in Japan. Thort it might be worth sharing…..

‘Some interesting news in the MV industry that will make the new rebate scheme on electric vehicles a bit of a flop. The biggest shipping company of cars to New Zealand has announced it will not ship any more EV’s from now on, as a result of the recent fire where they lost an entire ship and it’s cargo. It is expected that other shipping companies may follow suite.’
– S.V.J.
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April 4, 2022 8:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  To quote the covid circus lunatics, correlation is not causation……..
  But at least they get to decide not to repeat the mistake, unlike 4 shot NZ!!
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bwhahahahahahahsga, Cindy will shout conspiracy
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m gonna sell my Tesla & make a fortune!
  
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  April 4, 2022 7:56pm
Tony Stuart

ell played England in the Cricket World Cup final, but all hail the champion Australian side which was a class above every other team in the event. The innings from Alyssa Healy yesterday was as good as you would see anywhere, and Nat Sciver’s unbeaten knock in England’s reply was outstanding.

Despite crowd restrictions for most of the tournament and the disappointing performance of the home team, this tournament has been a huge success. Hagley Oval looked an absolute picture yesterday with a big crowd in attendance, and the standard of pitches throughout the tournament has been excellent. If this doesn’t give the women’s game in New Zealand a shot in the arm, nothing will.
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April 4, 2022 8:55am
- MCōs
  
  Last season I went along to some of the double headers at Eden Park 2 with men’s & women’s games played one after the other.
  The problem the women’s provincial teams had was the gulf between their NZ reps and the rest.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:34am
I remember when

Green MP joins fight against feedlot: Newsroom:
Farming Company Wogan Hills wants to build two 200m long composting feed barns, holding up to 1000 beef cattle each.
The 12,000 m2 sheds have been granted Christchurch City Council consent but still need E Can approval.
In short, no bobby calves, no nutrient leaching, no odour, excellent animal welfare and increased jobs and export earnings.
Dry compost is cleared every year or two and spread to land, ‘with no increase in permitted/authorised nutrient loads.
There are more than 30 composting barns throughout the country, with a further 20 to be built in the next 12 months.
To be fair to Eugenie Sage, her arguments included the lack of public consultation and proximity to Lake Ellesmere.
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April 4, 2022 8:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  American-style feedlots, not grass fed cattle? Hmm
  
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  April 4, 2022 7:58pm
Philview

I have just read that the Southern DHB will cease to exist in 3 months time and none of the staff including the CEO knows what is replacing it. This is no doubt the same for all DHBs. This is crazy stuff.
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April 4, 2022 9:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Maybe little gas not chosen the Māori leader yet !
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:02am
I remember when

“Why if a Maori child is born, like in the house next door, do they live for seven years less than the child (Pakeha) born in this house.”
A perfectly reasonable question too.
Now, all we have to do is find 1000 Maori and 1000 Pakeha family members that were born next door to each other.
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April 4, 2022 9:01am
- bennerg
  
  Nature and/or nurture?
  My guess it is the nurture. Old habits die hard as they say. Whether it be diet, daily routines, or education, the answer will be there, should there be the desire to go and research it.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:21am
- westernScientist
  
  Does he not think that Maori children are aloud to be born in maternity wards or something?
  No wonder his ilk think there is racism in the healthcare system. Even in up market suburbs the Maori Lawyers and Architects have to give birth in their own homes.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:26am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Did the Pakeha child live next to a gang house?
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:35am
- Nukuleka
  
  And if a boy is born next door to a girl how come he will live 3 and a half years less than she does? Clearly institutional sexism exists in New Zealand!
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:52am
- Yvette
  
  I don’t get it.
  Surely, if someone dies at a lesser age than what may be average – cancer, car crash, smoker, or obesity – the right to vote isn’t a factor – they are dead.
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:45am
Zapper

Well after a rough week, I’m into the home straight of Covid now. It hit me pretty hard, with a rough 48 hours in the middle there, and now just pretty exhausted.

I’ve actually had people say to me, including during that 48 hours, ‘thank goodness for the vaccine, or you’d be much worse’. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at such idiocy. Not to mention that after my second dose I got Shingles and was in various degrees of pain for 6 weeks.

I’m in my 40s, very fit and healthy with no other health conditions. I do think this could hit frail people hard but I’ve heard of examples where they’ve had a more mild case than me so who really knows.

What I do know is that putting lives on hold for 2 years, destroying our economy, dividing our society was really not worth it.
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April 4, 2022 9:04am
- kevn
  
  @Zapper… My GP was dead keen to give me a shingles jab. Shingles being a well known side effect of the jab.
  No Pfizer for me. Valneva.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:51am
  - Zapper
    
    Yeah, I’d recommend that vaccine, since it actually works. Unfortunately I’m not eligible for it until I turn 50. Maybe those rules will be relaxed after all these ‘strange’ cases of people under 50 getting it
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:06am
  - Inandout
    
    the wife and I had a shingles vaccine when it cost $200 each dose, no side effects. However the first C19 jab did have a side effect when about 3 weeks after it I woke one morning with spinning vision and later vomiting. It took about a week for the vertigo to clear and no, this is the first I have ever experienced in my life. The second didn’t trigger vertigo but I refuse to take the booster.
    
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    April 4, 2022 1:01pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Interestingly, the shingles vaxx is now being advertised on TV.
    
    Coincidence? I think not.
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:00pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It would be interesting to see how it would have affected you if you hadn’t been vaccinated. My point being it probably would have been so severe. It certainly hasn’t been for the unvaccinated people I know.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:57am
I remember when

I looked at the great crowd at Hagley Oval and wondered why the ‘premier’ race meeting of their season for Awapuni only allowed ‘corporate’ attendence.
Why is horse racing becoming a gamblers, on and off course, only activity.
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April 4, 2022 9:07am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  For Manawatu people interested in horse racing this is the only opportunity, all year, to see the country’s best racehorses in the flesh.
  But enthusiasts like that are a huge pain in he bottom to the narrow minded people who run our TAB. They would rather somebody who bets $80 on a dish licker at Coonabarabran than an enthusiast who has five dollars on a richly bred grandson of Zabeel at Awapuni.
  
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  April 4, 2022 1:48pm
I remember when

Some businesses might keep COVID vaccine passes, mandates to make a statement – employment lawyer:
msn.com:
So how do we think that is going to work out?
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April 4, 2022 9:12am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Businesses can choose who they do business with, and/or allow onto their premises, and people can decide which businesses to visit and/or spend their money with. Aren’t markets wonderful?!
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    So can businesses refuse to serve people of colour? Can they refuse to serve catholics, protestants, muslims? Can they refuse to serve people with AIDS? What about someone with the flu? Can they stop them coming into their premises based on any of these or any other method of discrimination?
    You are a fan of medical apartheid?
    
    Be careful what you wish for Albert Ross. The division of society never ends well.
    
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    April 4, 2022 9:59am
  - Clownworld
    
    People make decisions not ” markets” or ” the free market”.
    
    Still there is a sense coming…just trust the AI market, stop thinking for yourself…
    
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    April 4, 2022 10:57am
  - Ehlana
    
    Actually Albert, they are not entirely free. There have been court cases over, for example, business owners refusing to bake cakes in support of causes they find unconscionable.
    
    If they have no “right to choose”, how can those who find serving the unvaccinated unconscionable get away with it?
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:22am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’ll be interesting because they clearly no longer have “public interest” as an excuse for the discrimination. It should clearly now be illegal.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:54am
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest it wouldn’t be a good business move for a shop to hang out a sign saying Covid-19 Infected Individuals Welcome.
    On the other hand who’s to know if if a customer is infected unless they’re coughing and spluttering.
    
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    April 4, 2022 2:25pm
Maggie Pie

“Mother May I” 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/mediaspotnz/status/1510714018108903424
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April 4, 2022 9:14am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Have you noticed the correlation between size of fib vs. size of hand gesticulations?
  I quite like Melissa Chan Greens interviews. She is quite tenacious without seeming too aggressive.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chan Green was not letting Jaspinda bully her. The word soup waffle answers border on rediculous.
  Needs to happen more. If Jaspinda was to shut up, she might learn something
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:04am
- zulumonster
  
  She looks like Neil from the Young Ones in that clip …
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:30pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s thirty years ago.
    How am I supposed to remember that.
    
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    April 4, 2022 7:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Who could forget Neil?
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/17059904/the-young-ones-dopey-neil-nigel-planer-looks-like-now/
      
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      April 4, 2022 9:08pm
Lee C

Local business with ‘No Mask, No Entry, No exceptions” notice on their door (now no longer there.

Thing is, the owner of said outlet (I’m told locally) had his Booster and is now ”f**ked’ According to my local source. Can’t lift his arm and doctors re mystified why this is so.

How many people put there have heard a similar or comparable story of vaxxine mishaps?

Was the recipient informed of the possiblilty of adverse effects? If not, he did not give ‘informed’ consent.

Kindly up tick if you have heard of an adverse effect of vaccines and/or downtick if you haven’t –

I’m genuinely interested to see if this qualifies as out Government’s ‘guilty secret’…
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April 4, 2022 9:19am
- mandk
  
  You need a third option: Not vaxxed, caught COVID, doing just fine.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:44am
- kevn
  
  @Lee C… There are thousands of adverse reactions.
  Strange thing is that ACC accept some cases but not others. Odd.
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:45am
- KiWombat
  
  I had second dose in my right arm, and shortly afterwards it became painful and unable to lift it above my shoulder. I can still write with it, although now a bit shaky, and still use it to drive – but cannot lift with it, or start lawnmower with it, and have given up applying handbrake in my truck.
  
  At least I now know where I will get any future doses of anything – I doubt it could get any worse !
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:48am
  - Inandout
    
    just wondering if the jab was into your shoulder muscle? I asked the nurse both times to try and avoid any muscle tissue.
    
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    April 4, 2022 1:07pm
    - KiWombat
      
      It was about 1/3 the way down the outside of my arm between shoulder and elbow, have never looked to see what muscles are in there!
      
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      April 4, 2022 3:10pm
- Mummy
  
  Brother in law got myocarditis after one of his jabs, the second I think. Cardiologist said it was definitely a side effect but at least it was temporary and lasted only a few weeks.
  
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  April 4, 2022 2:04pm
- cmm
  
  Nobody gave informed consent.
  
  That requires that people were informed. None were.
  
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  April 4, 2022 2:09pm
- MCōs
  
  My wife had a booster shot on 7-Jan.
  She’s had a lot of trouble with her shoulder since 23-Jan.
  Could be the vaccine, but I’m picking it was because she broke her wrist.
  
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  April 4, 2022 7:47pm
ClanMcleod

Just to continue the theme of “correlation is not causation (but some really weird coincidental shit is going on).”

Fifteen fully vaccinated players were unable to complete the Miami Open tennis tournament.

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/fifteen-fully-vaccinated-players?

Miller is a good man. A media, comms and culture tutor at NYU. No, he’s not one of the “woke” mafia. In fact, he was the victim of an attack by the wokesters for daring utter a fully accurate opinion on the uselessness of masks. It makes interesting reading.

“This semester, Miller taught a section of his NYU propaganda course. In September, a class session focused on campaigns promoting mask-wearing as a means of limiting the spread of the novel coronavirus. After a student took issue with some of Miller’s in-class statements and the sources he cited, she took to Twitter calling for him to be fired. Miller’s department chair, Rodney Benson, replied to the student’s posts and indicated that the department had made her concerns a priority.”

https://www.thefire.org/nyu-ignores-academic-freedom-investigates-mark-crispin-millers-course-content-blog-post/

Anyway, what are the odds of 15 competitors being unable to compete in a single tournament? And of course, we won’t mention the 769 athletes who have collapsed in the last year.

https://rumble.com/vz2ro5-769-athletes-have-collapsed-in-the-past-year.html
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April 4, 2022 9:22am
Maggie Pie

And Tatiana keeps us in the loop…

‘Horrifying scenes of death & destruction in Ukraine’

https://twitter.com/LatestAnonPress/status/1510405901676650497
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April 4, 2022 9:28am
curry4me

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/04/03/trump-on-transgender-theory-biden-dems-waging-war-on-reality-war-on-science-war-on-children-war-on-women-1220815/

Trump on transgender theory: Biden, Dems ‘waging war on reality, war on science, war on children, war on women’
President Donald Trump used his latest rally this Saturday in Grand Rapids, Michigan to speak to the Republican Party’s newest constituency: parents.
“A Republican Congress must stand up for parental rights,” he bluntly said.
Meaning, he continued, that the GOP-led Congress expected to emerge from the midterm elections must prioritize pushing legislation on behalf of the millions of parents throughout the nation who’re concerned about their children being indoctrinated in hateful racial essentialism and radical transgender ideology.
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April 4, 2022 9:48am
- Mike
  
  Can’t have teachers telling kids about slavery or that gay people are okay.
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    Rather not have the teachers “Grooming” youngsters thanks.
    
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    April 4, 2022 12:38pm
  - Inandout
    
    Mike, no, not anti gay just anti gender bendy teaching to littlies in kidergarten or school. Read the bloody Florida law. Apple and Disney will one day rue siding with the gender fluid crowd.
    
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    April 4, 2022 1:11pm
  - RichardX
    
    Have you seen what they are trying to pass in Oklahoma?
    
    Scott could get a science teacher a fine of $10,000 for teaching the earth is more than 10,000 years old.
    The teacher also faces being fired and unable to teach for up to 5 years.
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/02/04/oklahoma-proposed-bill-would-fine-teachers-10000-for-contradicting-a-students-religious-belief/
    
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    April 4, 2022 1:12pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMkKElXfK1c

Biden Betrays Britain and Cancels Trade Deal

I take it we failed to pay Hunter to sit on the board of an energy company, or did we fail to fire a civil servant that’s investigating a company Hunter is a board member of? [3:40]
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April 4, 2022 9:48am
7kiwi11

Jacinda wears gumboots to work. This article is more PR to show that JA is just one of the people. To me it’s just plain scary that our dear leader can’t even organise her wardrobe – let alone the country!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/only-in-nz-jacinda-ardern-forced-to-wear-muddy-gumboots-to-work-after-daylight-saving-mishap/H37EERPAOXCOPP7RLL6BAPEBEU/
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April 4, 2022 9:52am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I had a look at Brenda’s Facebook post re the gumboot PR stunt. Incredible how many useful idiots commenting on “how real” this made her appear in their eyes.
  Many people really are dumb, gullible marks and deserve what life dishes them up.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:43am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    How real? If anyone walked onto light grey carpet in my home or workplace with muddy gumboots I would be asking ‘are you for real’? She has no shame and no bloody clue
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:09am
  - blue collar
    
    Brenda’s turned the prime ministers office into a well funded womens mag
    
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    April 4, 2022 1:19pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why Cindy wears muddy gum boots to work is the headline, clearly the Morgan poll which is due today after they released their confidence findings last week, is matching their horrid internals, I have heard rumours of mid 20s in their internals, not just from the one place either
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:07am
  - barnacle bill
    
    @Dunedin G.
    
    Your old rumour mill got that one wrong.
    Both of them.
    
    Oh well , back to the pub for another rumour.
    
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    April 4, 2022 7:20pm
- Paulus
  
  The latest PR move from within the hallowed walls is to make us believe that Cindy is really just one of us, from Morrinsvile and the Fish shop, in the Waikato.
  
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  April 4, 2022 2:08pm
ecco

I see Ardern is wheeling out all her usual suspects this morning to do more fear mongering as she’s obviously still too sh*t scared to make a bold move this afternoon. You know when the paid sycophants like Rod Jackson are bleating about ‘it’s too soon to open up ra ra ra’ that it’s going to be some half arsed announcement this afternoon.

Also got the Ferald with one of their ‘another more contagious variant about to hit’ articles, that the news this afternoon is going to be underwhelming with a whole lot of ifs and buts and stupidly long time frames for anything to happen.
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April 4, 2022 10:03am
- Scott
  
  ecco – I normally read stuff which I consider the official house organ of the labour government. They had this article which talks about a move to orange, talks about the needs of the hospitality industry and indoor sports venues that need a move to orange to be viable.
  
  So they certainly appear to be in favour of a move to orange. So in my opinion they wouldn’t have written this unless they had a heads up from the government that it was okay to do so.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/128254231/events-hospo-leaders-crossing-fingers-toes-everything-for-move-to-orange
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:27am
  - Scott
    
    Update – no I was wrong. Reading the tea leaves it seemed a move to orange was likely. But no, they were just teasing us.
    Stay in red you peasants. It’s only been 3 years! Go home! For your own safety of course 🤕
    
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    April 5, 2022 4:32am
- cmm
  
  Quite likely.
  
  She likes to play the good cop/bad cop game.
  
  The shills play the bad cop and say too soon, close all the borders etc.
  That allows her to get away with slight reductions and still look like the good cop.
  
  It’s all theatre from the wearing of masks to the way they make announcements. Once you understand that then a lot more things make sense.
  
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  April 4, 2022 10:45am
  - ecco
    
    Agreed cmm. Sometimes she uses the good cop/bad cop tactic to make herself look bold. Other times she hides behind her epidemiologist messengers. She’s probably just opening up due to bad polling and also so the netballers can have more than 200 people inside to watch their games.
    
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    April 4, 2022 11:31am
- BAM
  
  The other way round this time, the”experts” have served their purpose.
  
  I’m a strong leader making the big calls.
  I’m listening to you NZ
  Time to be brave, time to move forward.
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:15am
Rusty

I wanted to go to a vodafone shop in my local mall this morning, they still have a sign and desk at the entrance telling people to line up outside.

I didn’t hang around. Can businesses still keep the old covid rules in place?
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April 4, 2022 10:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Given my experience with Vodafone you dodged a bullet. Go to 2 degrees.
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:07pm
  - cmm
    
    I just went with Skinny. They don’t pretend to offer great service.
    
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    April 4, 2022 2:07pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yeah, they’re pretty good. I’ve been with them since July 2020.
    
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    April 4, 2022 6:43pm
ClanMcleod

Re the above post from 7kiwi11 and Ardern’s blatant gumboot PR stunt. Call me Mr cynical but does anyone think it might have anything to do with this?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/386446/gumboot-wearers-show-support-for-mental-health-awareness

Look at the date on the article from 2019. 5th of April. Tomorrow is the 5th of April. Of course that’s pure coincidence and another excellent example of “correlation is not causation”.//

This woman knows no limits when it comes to conniving and deceit. A complete fraud as a human being.
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April 4, 2022 10:48am
ClanMcleod

This video has surfaced, Fauci in 2004 adamantly stating that natural immunity is the best when it comes to infectious disease.

“Well, no, if she got the flu for 14 days, she’s as protected as anybody can be because the best vaccination is to get infected yourself … If she really has the flu, she definitely doesn’t need a flu vaccine … She doesn’t need it because the most potent vaccination is getting infected yourself.”

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/04/02/2004-clip-shows-fauci-saying-the-best-vaccination-is-to-get-infected/
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April 4, 2022 10:54am
- cmm
  
  … aaah, but science has advanced massively in the last 8 years!
  And much of that is thanks to Fauci and his team!
  … or something like that!
  
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  April 4, 2022 2:05pm
ClanMcleod

The UK Spectator, an interesting take on her upcoming trip to the US.

How NZs zero covid strategy fell apart.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-new-zealand-s-zero-covid-strategy-fell-apart
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April 4, 2022 11:00am
- cjn
  
  Thanks for that ClanMcLeod. I don’t think she ever gave Tony Blair advice. Unless we could claim that she authorised the invasion of Iraq.
  
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  April 4, 2022 5:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Looks like vax pass is going but masks staying.
Stupid stupid stupid PM. She is still grasping at control.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/covid-19-vaccine-passes-going-but-masks-remain-important-jacinda-ardern/ar-AAVOTrs?
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April 4, 2022 11:16am
- Nickc2
  
  The masks are only to identify her supporters from her non-supporters. She doesn’t trust the polls.
  
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  April 4, 2022 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Look at me look at me, I am a Jaspinda sycophant!
    
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    April 4, 2022 1:53pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Even with both masks and 90% plus vaccinated and passports, we still have around 20,000 cases a day (and these are only the positively tested), and the absolute mortality rate is, at most, 0.05%. In what respect are masks “important” then?
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:10pm
  - tf78
    
    I went to a thirtieth birthday party about three weekends ago. I sat beside my niece talking and hour – she tested positive the next Wednesday and was crook all last week. No one else came down with it – go figure.
    
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    April 4, 2022 4:46pm
- Zero Kindness
  
  Just don’t wear them, we don’t have to by law.
  Say you are exempt and carry on, or if the business owner insists on mask wearing, remove your custom from their premises and mark them down as too stupid to visit again. Simple really.
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:18pm
- rouppe
  
  I’ve started wearing one with #NOTMYPM written on it.
  
  Just waiting for the first to confront me.
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:35pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, was pleased my local mower shop assistants were maskless so I dropped the napkin also and felt the freedom.
  
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  April 4, 2022 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

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April 4, 2022 11:22am
Spring Bank Westie

Watched 1 News at 6pm on Saturday, it must have been a slow news day (no viruses, no wars….) as the lead story was a feature on misinformation.

The introduction talked about how misinformation was getting out of hand, and as an example they cited people believing that there are reptile people among us, the PMs fiance is in prison, and covid is not real.

They then went on to interview two women, one who spent a lot of time watching conspiracy theory podcasts about reptile people, and one whose breast-feeding group said that keeping your kids unvaxed was the safest thing for them, and it took her 12 years to work out they were wrong.

Nowhere in the actual article did they mention the PMs fiance.

This made me suspicious that this was a deliberate attempt to dispel rumours which were embarassing to the government.

Also, does this mean he’s out on bail? /sarc

#5YearsofDeflect
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April 4, 2022 11:37am
- Ra Henare
  
  I would some credence to the rumour..
  Why
  No photo shoots of the happy couple doing anything recently.
  
  ie the easiest way to shoot down any rumours re ankle braclets/lockups what ever.
  
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  April 4, 2022 3:58pm
Captain Mainwaring

Yet another attack on the right by Stuff’s ‘cartoonist’ Emma Cook and yet again it’s not even funny.
Why is Garrick Tremain our only balanced cartoonist and when is Stuff going to exploit some of the many opportunities that Spindy’s mob presents them with on a daily basis?
Oh sorry, I forgot.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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April 4, 2022 11:47am
- oldfella
  
  had the same thoughts this morning when I saw the cartoon.
  I guess nothing Cindy does deserves a good dose of mockery according to today’s bought-and-paid-for M$M.
  
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  April 4, 2022 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

Why does Duncan Garner feel the need to talk like a demented Speed-Dater?

Back to Kerry Woodham.
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April 4, 2022 11:49am
Nickc2

More lockdowns on the way?
Oh shit, here we go again. How convenient! Is this for real, or is it just another 9th Floor of the Beehive press release?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-oubreak-new-xe-variant-potentially-10-per-cent-more-transmissible-than-omicron/KUJOJZYCS45BMFRS4OC5D47PV4/
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April 4, 2022 11:53am
- Zero Kindness
  
  Covid is over, from a health perspective, politically the battle rages on!
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:22pm
- Ehlana
  
  Sounds a bit like the old sport of gun-jumping, since WHO has actually said is “XE belongs to the Omicron variant until significant differences in transmission and disease characteristics, including severity, may be found”.
  
  Perhaps we should wait for actual findings before we panic.
  
  BTW, I see that the “Spanish” flu is still around, just not as virulent as it was when an estimated 1/3 of the world’s population were infected and had clinically apparent illnesses. Back then the case fatality rates were > 2.5% compared to < 0.1% for other influenza. (Case fatality being the proportion of people diagnosed with a disease who end up dying of it).
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:37pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Xe is a bit close to Xi for the CCP’s comfort
  
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  April 4, 2022 8:07pm
potato

We went register and license a new import Hybrid car to NZ on Friday after introduction of new Clean Car law, Apparently there is a glitch in the system and it may take 5 days – What a joke ! These idiots couldn’t organize a booze up in brewery.
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April 4, 2022 11:55am
Bobba Fret

And right on cue, here comes the new Covid variant…..and guess what, it’s even more contagious than Omicrom! Who would have guessed.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-oubreak-new-xe-variant-potentially-10-per-cent-more-transmissible-than-omicron/KUJOJZYCS45BMFRS4OC5D47PV4/
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April 4, 2022 11:56am
- mandk
  
  Note from the article:
  “Estimates”
  “Potentially”
  “Appears to be”
  “May be found”
  
  In other words, definitely maybe.
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:12pm
- zulumonster
  
  From the article “XE was first detected in the United Kingdom on January 19 and over 600 cases have been reported and confirmed since.”
  Doesn’t seem that transmissible!!
  
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  April 4, 2022 12:50pm
  - kevn
    
    She will grasp on to it to keep the dialogue.
    
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    April 4, 2022 3:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lockdown, lockdown, lockdown.
  I am back in control you peasant bastards//
  
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  April 4, 2022 1:58pm
- cmm
  
  May be up to 10% more transmissable….
  
  I call bullshit.
  
  Such things are expremely difficult to measure accurately. 10% is well within the error margin. 10% is not a statistically meaningful amount to be called more transmissible.
  
  It it was twice as transmissible, then maybe.
  
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  April 4, 2022 4:27pm
103PapPap

I see in Saturday’s Weekend Herald that Steve Braunias, who normally seems to be quite left wing, has had a crack at “Queen of Halos”.
Worth reading.
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April 4, 2022 12:17pm
Maggie Pie

CLASSY!

You know how people say… “Joe’s lost his marbles”

Well I think he just found them 😛

https://twitter.com/Phenolism/status/1510757322368425994
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April 4, 2022 12:26pm
Maggie Pie

You can see where this is going, eh bro?

A new Teacher starts on$23 p/h
A new Nurse starts on $29 p/h
A new Cop starts on $33 p/h
A new Fireman starts on $35 p/h

But a new LIST MP, who may have no qualifications or real work-experience whatsoever, would be hard pushed to find a job in the private sector, and who will now do SFA for the next three years either….starts on $83 p/h

And people wonder what’s wrong with this country.
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April 4, 2022 1:03pm
Yvette

Operational update to Pike River families, 31 March 2022
Dear families,
 The final report from the operations at the mine site is as follows:
The final week on the mine site saw the removal of all remaining infrastructure, hired equipment, ICT decommissioning, NZ Police uplifting remaining PRCL and SENZ ICT equipment, and the surrender of resource consents and mining permit. These surrender notices are posted on the Agency’s website.
The last day onsite for operations is today (Thursday 31 March),
[…]
From now DOC will be the point of contact for the families on all matters relating to Pike River Mine as it takes over guardianship of the mine site from the Agency, effective from tomorrow 1 April.
[…]
On behalf of my team, both past and present team members, it has been a privilege to work with families throughout the project to re-enter and recover the Pike River Mine drift. Thank you for your input, patience and support. The Agency team wishes you well.
Kind regards
 Michelle Wessing (she/her)
TE KAIWHAKAHAERE MATUA| ACTING CHIEF EXECUTIVE
Te Kāhui Whakamana Rua Tekau mā Iwa | Pike River Recovery Agency
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April 4, 2022 1:09pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Is that now the end of it?
  
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  April 4, 2022 3:34pm
I remember when

I have spent some time reviewing the Caleb Clarke ‘red card’ by a close to frame-by-frame replay.
It is clear that many who have commented in various media have not done so.
Interesting points are –
Both of Caleb Clarke’s feet had left the ground ‘before’ the ball was kicked.
He jumped towards the sideline and at no time could be considered to travel towards Alosio.
Alosio ran into Clarke, so any argument was about what rights Clarke had.
The situation was compromised by the second Blues player coming across field into the area and possibly bumping Alosio, before the contact.
When he kicked the ball Alosio was about 4-5 metres away from Clarke who was almost motionless.
Still, like the Government, the officials must be seen to be doing something, whether its right or wrong.
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April 4, 2022 1:34pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Kiwibank raises it’s Home-Loan-Rate to 6.79%

Bank Economists predicting 8%+ by July.

Spare a thort for all the poor people with Mortgages. LOL!!!
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April 4, 2022 2:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, we all knew that the shit would hit the fan this year and nothing short of another lockdown will subdue irate homeowners as they shift back with Mum and Dad.
  
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  April 4, 2022 2:40pm
- Jimmy Brown
  
  You are talking about their 5 year fixed rate. The floating rate remains unchanged.
  
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  April 4, 2022 3:18pm
- skyblue
  
  What’s a mortgage?
  
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  April 4, 2022 3:33pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ask Jimmy Brown 😀
    
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    April 4, 2022 6:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A few days back a commenter stated that Dr Cat Pausé did not die from a medical event or any natural cause.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/03/general_debate_28_march_2022.html#comment-3152609

How the heck they came to that conclusion is beyond me, but according to RNZ she did die from some medical condition.

Pausé, who died aged 42 of medical causes 10
days ago

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/464594/fat-studies-academic-dr-cat-pause-s-work-ridiculed-online-days-before-her-death
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April 4, 2022 2:23pm
- mandk
  
  Well, she was clearly morbidly obese.
  
  That’s likely to have any number of sequelae.
  
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  April 4, 2022 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

Do you think that guy Ross Taylor could just… GO ?

SHEESH!!
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April 4, 2022 2:31pm
blue collar

I should’ve built troughs for a living …. I’d be killing it , plenty of snouts on the loose
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April 4, 2022 2:36pm
bjools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300557791/gap-in-donald-trump-phone-call-logs-on-january-6-suspiciously-tailored
Q: Considering Trump was making an extensive speech, making his way there and back, that day.
This may explain the gap in the phone logs?
No mention in the article.
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April 4, 2022 3:37pm
- dcrane
  
  CNN is walking this back now.
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/31/politics/mystery-call-gap-trump-jan-6-white-house-phone-logs/index.html
  
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  April 4, 2022 9:10pm
cmm

Now here’s a dudge really going out of her way to out-dudge all others…

A 23 year old goes on a one-man crime spree including theft of a vehicle, burglary, theft of petrol, driving without a license, dangerous driving, speeding, running a light and attempting to use a vehicle as a weapon.

Many of these should have earned a stretch in prison.

But no, the judge gives him some supervision and home D, then blames much of his offending on not having a license. Then says it is corrections’ job to ensure he gets lessons and gets a driver’s license.
It looks like the taxpayer will be fronting for driving lessons.

Sweet to be a crim eh?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-pursuit-through-busy-west-auckland-ends-in-court-for-disqualified-driver/QTTYPQFO7OVWP377EEK3ZGNHC4/
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April 4, 2022 3:55pm
Maggie Pie

News Flash….

Prime Minister to release Cabinet’s decision LIVE just after 4pm today!

https://twitter.com/KristiannNZ/status/1510775588378013705
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April 4, 2022 3:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Easter! Can’t wait. Now fully retired and a poor old pensioner, I am looking forward to the extra payments for Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday.
Bring it on!
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April 4, 2022 3:59pm
Warren

What a example our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern gives to our young people like every other day that she calls a press conference she is again late , is there anything she can do right as she is paid enough money to get it right. She treats people with disdain and it’s just plain ignorance from someone in her position.
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April 4, 2022 4:17pm
- MCōs
  
  Two or three minutes.
  Someone in our Thai whanau was being presented with a degree by the Crown Prince, now King.
  He was two or three hours late, which is apparently normal, and you can’t complain, you’ll wind up in prison.
  
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  April 4, 2022 6:44pm
oldfella

Bulldozer: someone who sleeps through Cindy’s word salad speeches.
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April 4, 2022 4:32pm
Maggie Pie

Talking to one of the girls from tennis earlier.
She was telling me her Nephew attends a Boarding School just out of Auckland.

Last week, they allowed a group from ‘Rainbow Youth’ to attend the school, to speak with Year 12 & 13 boys. Among other matters, they discussed providing support and advocacy for queer, gender-diverse and intersex youth.

Prue was saying the thing his parents found most disturbing, was when they heard the group had also raised the subject about the normalcy of anal sex.

Fortunately, her nephew is leaving at the end of this Term. He’s been accepted into the Royal NZ Ballet Company.
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April 4, 2022 4:38pm
Harriet

LOL…..this is what George Christian has said in his final speech in parliament:

[he certainly wasn’t NZ’s health minister or some others in the first quote below.]

“……To cut a long story short, my daughter was born overseas in July 2020 without me there for it. Worse still, there were complications for my wife, who had to have a caesarean and then suffered severe internal bleeding. At about 4 am, the surgeon attending to my wife phoned me to say the situation was very serious, and, if there were things that I had to tell my wife, now was the time to do so. You don’t get a clearer, more sobering message from a doctor than that. She was then rushed into emergency surgery. That morning, I had to front a meeting of local farmers and then a press conference, all the while not knowing whether my wife was alive or not. Thankfully she was, and the surgeons there saved her life. On that note, I am thankful to Senator Marise Payne for what she did to get info via our embassy to the hospital and vice versa. In the proceeding months, as April was recuperating, without me pulling rank—it would have been in the papers if I’d tried to do so—thankfully, we were reunited. So there’s that……”

“…..Then—here comes the hard bit, guys—there’s this place. I actually don’t like coming to Canberra anymore. The parliamentary processes to me seem so stale and staged. Question time’s a farce, where government backbenchers ask pointless questions written by someone else, and opposition members ask pointless ‘gotcha’ questions that never get answers. And the public hate the vitriol and the behaviour displayed during question time. I’m guilty; I stand condemned for being part of that behaviour. The matter of public importance is nothing more than a sop to those who want to relive their high-school or university debating club years, and votes and proceedings could simply be dialled in, they’re that predictable. We say something in favour of a government bill, the opposition say something against it and we all vote for it or against it, depending on what the party says. In the Labor Party you get expelled for doing anything else. On our side, you just get ostracised…..”

“….What happened to individuality in this place? What happened to critical thinking? What happened to true representation? As a nation we bemoan the fact that most politicians are white-bread, cookie-cutter replicas of one another, but, on the other hand, we decry a spark of individuality as chaos, destabilisation and disunity—or at least the media does. We can’t have it both ways. There needs to be greater room in this place for backbenchers to say what they really think, publicly, in this chamber, and to vote accordingly. The notion of party discipline needs to give way to representation, just like it does in many other legislatures around the world; otherwise, we run the risk of Parliament House degenerating into a sheltered workshop for people who can’t think for themselves. So there’s that…..”

“….Freedom of speech is paramount for any democracy, including the speech we don’t like. Efforts to ban free speech with political buzzwords like ‘hate speech’, ‘vilification’, ‘disinformation’ and ‘misinformation’ are harmful to democracy. Likewise, foreign-owned big tech oligarchies should not be allowed to censor political and philosophical discourse in this country. The legacy media is biased and has become a cheer squad for big government and wokeism. We should call it out but, where it is privately owned, and never seek to have government interfere with it, but taxpayers should not be funding a biased fake news media outlet; the ABC must be reformed.”

Then he said stuff about God.

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F25472%2F0010;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F25472%2F0010%22
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April 4, 2022 4:51pm
Hollyfield

The PM has surprised me this afternoon. I thought she was going to move Auckland and other parts of the North Island to orange, but tweak the rules so it would effectively be the same as red but she would be able to tell us how kind she is giving us freedoms by moving us to orange.
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April 4, 2022 4:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “Today we got an announcement that the announcement wasn’t being announced, and that another announcement might come later,” says ACT Leader David Seymour.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2204/S00028/jacinda-announces-shes-doing-nothing.htm
  
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  April 4, 2022 7:30pm
  - fernglas
    
    Why do they refer to her as Jacinda? She has a perfectly good surname, which is how any male politician would be addressed.
    
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    April 4, 2022 8:30pm
    - dcrane
      
      First name-basis is increasingly common (I don’t like it either). Everyone calls Winston Winston. Maybe because the name is so easily identified.
      
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      April 4, 2022 9:08pm
fernglas

If you thought that Kiwis would be flooding back into the country now that restrictions have been lifted, you would have been wrong. Not only has there been a nett loss of about 80,000 over the last two years, but after a couple of weeks of arrivals exceeding departures, it’s back to more leaving than arriving by hundreds each day.
https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-arrivals-departures/
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April 4, 2022 5:44pm
- kevn
  
  @fern… ardens solution to the housing crisis.
  
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  April 5, 2022 7:45am
Maggie Pie

Taylor gone for 14. Thank f**k!!
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April 4, 2022 6:12pm
- MCōs
  
  Why?
  Did the bloke who lives round at your place give you the remote back?
  
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  April 4, 2022 6:54pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘Ross Taylor left the oval with his tongue dragging on the ground’
  
  – Andrew Dickenson 1ZB.
  
  LOL!!!
  
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  April 4, 2022 7:01pm
- Scott
  
  Maggie – who can dislike Ross Taylor? 🤔
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:56am
greybeard

Emma Cook: now fully indoctrinated with the Sharon Murdoch vitriolic look on NZ life.
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April 4, 2022 7:10pm
Maggie Pie

See Paddy Gower on ‘The Project’ has given himself a bit of a makeover.

Looks like he’s had his head well & truly in the dye-pot 😀
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April 4, 2022 7:42pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Whatever he does with his head he still looks like a potato.
  And displays the intelligence of one.
  
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