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2ic

Well, this looks awkward for the officials to explain away:

Deaths increase as population ages
https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/deaths-increase-as-population-ages

2020
Lockdowns, Covid controlled, no influenza, NO VACCINES: 32,613 deaths

2021
Lockdowns, Covid controlled, no influenza, WITH VACCINES: 34,932 deaths

An increase of 2,319 deaths in 2021, “the year of the vaccine”

The argument made is that 2019 was a very soft year for deaths, and the 2021 figure represents only a small increase over the 2019 year.

However, I would argue that the conditions that lead to the low deaths in 2020 were still present in 2021 – lockdowns, Covid controlled, no influenza etc. And a 2,319 increase in deaths year-on-year does seem extraordinary.

The only major difference I can see in 2021 was vaccine rollout. But as always I’m open to considering views from the community here on other possible explanations…
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March 22, 2022 8:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The numbers need to be broken down more. Underlying medical conditions (with and without Covid). Shootings, suicides, family violence, vehicle accidents (broken down further into car, truck, motorbike, cyclist, insecure loading)
  There is something for a new working group to work on //
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Isn’t a plausible explanation the one in the article? The population is aging?
  
  Would be good to get a view of a demographic statistician.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No no no no, we must blame other things and other people
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Population aging will be a factor. Most of the numbers gurus I follow work this into their models. But it will be pretty small on a year by year basis, and certainly not enough to explain all of this delta.
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:21am
    - Jimbo666
      
      Other statistical parameters could be ethnicity and gender.
      Surely the relevant government department must have a handle on all of the different parameters so that useful conclusions could be drawn by the experts who derive their conclusions from what is known?
      
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      March 22, 2022 8:25am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Considering the low numbers involved, maybe we should stop myopically focusing on covid and look at the general health and wellbeing of the country.
        
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        March 22, 2022 10:21am
  - pdm
    
    BY have a look at former All Black Dr Lawrie Knights contribution at the BBH Blog. – hope the link works.
    
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dr-lawrie-knight-fact-checking-m%C4%81ori-health-claims-that-led-to-the-pae-ora-healthy-futures-bill
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:36am
    - Ehlana
      
      Very interesting. I wasn’t aware of the extent to which we have already had “by Maori, for Maori” primary health care provision for 20 years. Or that the Waitangi Tribunal has investigated why Maori health outcomes haven’t shifted as expected, but won’t release the results because they are “sensitive”.
      
      This is the sort of thing an independent media should be all over, since it suggests the current “re-organisation” has nothing to recommend it at all.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:07am
      - kowtow
        
        Self censorship . An appalling state of affairs in a so called liberal democracy.
        
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        March 22, 2022 10:11am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Is it “by Maori, for Maori” or is it actually “by Maori, for Maori, paid for by everyone else”?
        
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        March 22, 2022 11:06am
      - I remember when
        
        “by Maori for Maori”
        Except that even that is not entirely correct.
        By the Maori tangata whenua for Maori tangata whenua.
        Proviso – often one that providers are fluent Maori speakers only.
        A little chiefly wisdom no doubt helps.
        
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        March 22, 2022 1:43pm
      - Jim
        
        I’m sure there are many efficiencies to be made across 25 DHBs, however the division across ethnic lines in this reorganisation of the precious little health care resources that NZ has will only impact negatively on system capacity and capability for everyone.
        By example ask any Chef what would happen if they were challenged to deliver two distinctly different services with the same/ similar resources. Now ask them to deliver it 24/7. This will likely be disastrous for everyone, Maori included.
        
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        March 22, 2022 5:44pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Older people are more likely to die? Who would have thought!
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:42am
    - Ehlana
      
      They’re now called “vulnerable people” Bobba, and we absolutely do not accept them dying as a natural outcome of having lived.
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:37am
      - Rich Prick
        
        That language is designed to make us responsible for the co-morbidities in other people, and surrender our freedoms and be forced into medical treatments accordingly. And if you resist, you’re being “selfish”.
        
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        March 22, 2022 1:48pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not plausible. Your risk of death rises by about 10% a year, so unless the average age of the elderly population suddenly rose by 8 months over the course of a year, it could not come anywhere near to explaining 2300 extra deaths.
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:56am
    - zulumonster
      
      There appear to have been similar drops then rebounds in previous years … eg. 2000, 2005, 2010 … maybe not to the same degree but it still shows this isn’t an unusual occurrence. And if there a drop in deaths in one year then it stands to reason there will be an increase the next. Those oldies can only hold on so long …
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:29am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The problem with that displaced death theory is that the excess deaths were only during the 6month long covid vaccine period for older/at risk people, April-October ’21, abruptly cutting off either side and it wasn’t respiratory illnesses (which are tracked), which are the form of excess death that is variable and which shows up in the winter months in question, otherwise the excess deaths would have steadily climbed prior to winter period.
        Check out this guy’s presentation on it: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dASUoQ92PTbD/
        
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        March 22, 2022 12:42pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Interesting to look at the graph.
    In 1991 16.5% of 75+ died
    in 2019 10.5% of 75+ died
    in 2021 <10% of 75+ died
    
    So not a direct correlation between 75+ increased pop and deaths.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:46am
  - yobi
    
    Interestingly enough, no we’re not aging. Currently our annual death rate per year is around 1 in 130. More babies are born than people die each year.
    Government intervention will play a very big part in the rising death rate. The reality is that anything this government touches always turns to shit.
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Also awkward. This was claimed very early in the piece by people actually paying attention who of course, were ridiculed as foil hat wearing crazies. As predicted, eventually (like all the other “conspiracy theories”) they are proving to have been right all along. From the UK.
  
  “Covid death figures ‘may be completely wrong due to data collection chaos”
  
  https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/20/covid-death-figures-may-be-completely-wrong-due-to-data-collection-chaos-16310548/
  
  The statistical manipulation, then and now, to control a narrative has been shocking. Now the questions need to be asked. Why? Baker in particular has been one of the worst. Pushing any bullshit to make things appear far worse than they actually are. The man is psychotic, seriously. I believe he needs locked up and treated.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:23am
  - Zero Kindness
    
    Locked up for sure Clan, treated not so much.
    Maybe he should be put in isolation with Jabcinda and they can drive each other demented, should take about two weeks max.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:33am
  - Phronesis
    
    I saw a good meme the other day, conspiracy theories are the new spoiler alert.
    
    (A spoiler alert is often used on a movie or book review to warn that it includes info that you are not intended to discover until later in the story.)
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:23am
    - Batman
      
      For sure, the “Russia gate” conspiracy theory, as some call it, is a spoiler alert and is coming true after the fact.
      
      Or is that different? ?
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:49am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Yes, it’s all on Hunter’s laptop I believe.
        
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10624113/NYT-finally-admits-Hunter-Bidens-laptop-real-year-DailyMail-com-confirmed-authenticity.html
        
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        March 22, 2022 11:25am
      - Phronesis
        
        Interesting Batman that you consider stories such as russia gate, splashed across the front page of every major media outlet in the western hemisphere for months on end, to be conspiracy theories.
        
        Most people would just call that MSM lies, nothing to do with conspiracy theories at all.
        
        Although as it turns out you are correct that the conspiracy theory that it was all a setup by Hillary Clinton and her minions has turned out to be correct.
        
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        March 22, 2022 1:06pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Do you yourself rubber stamp comments as “crazy conspiracy theory” (or words to that effect) and bar other posters from seeing their comment?
        
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        March 22, 2022 9:08pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The one I saw early in the piece was:
      “The difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact. About 6 months.”
      
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      March 22, 2022 11:23am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        6 months … and falling
        
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        March 22, 2022 4:49pm
- Yvette
  
  Considering …
  … Ardern told the radio station even though the Government had to make some tough decisions in their COVID response, she can look back on them knowing she had saved lives.  “One of our critical advisers through this, who’s from the science community, mentioned to me the other day that on their calculation, give or take, possibly 5000 people have been saved by what we had done,” she said.
  See? – a vague “expert” calculation, becomes, in the last paragraph, a concrete fact –
  “So in those moments, I think of that. Now those 5000 people, they don’t know who they are. “They don’t know that it was them that has been potentially protected by these measures. But I just keep that in my mind. It’s been hard but the flipside would have been even more painful
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-she-can-see-the-light-as-new-zealand-deals-with-wicked-perfect-storm-cost-of-living-crisis.html
  
  2ic, are you suggesting that Jacinda d’Arc in fact has saved only 2,681 people?
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:40am
- Ehlana
  
  One possibility of course, is that when we go into lockdown a lot of diagnostic medicine goes into hiatus. If you can’t go to the doctor, or they can’t get you screened or scanned, your condition may not be diagnosed and treated as it otherwise would.
  
  And by the time you are seen, it might be too late.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh no…
    
    that would mean that Our Dear PM hasn’t saved 5000 of us at all.
    
    She may have condemned some of us to untimely ends.
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:51am
    - Phronesis
      
      That is almost certainly true. There will be winners and losers from any health decision made. In this case the winners are the old and infirm and the losers are the young parents who had their breast cancer missed and are now terminal.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:26am
      - cmm
        
        “That is almost certainly true. ”
        No almost about it. It is true.
        
        “There will be winners and losers from any health decision made. In this case the winners are the old and infirm.”
        No, in this case there have been almost exclusively losers – including the old and infirm who had the quality of life stripped from their last few months of life by being forced to live in seclusion.
        
        In 2020, I was a newly stamped heart patient and had a a bunch of heart checkups cancelled, then rescheduled 4 months later. As a result I was kept on nasty expensive meds for an extra 4 months.
        
        That wasn’t too bad. While I was waiting for my son to pick me up, I had a brief chat with someone far worse off than me. The delay had resulted in cancer getting away from them and him just being told his previously expected 5 years to live had been clipped to less than 2 years.
        
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        March 22, 2022 2:36pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Another thing is that the lockdowns might have psychological implications that may only trigger later down the line.
    
    Self harm, or harm to others may be deferred.
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:46am
- bennerg
  
  [deleted by Mods, vaccine conspiracy]
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:03am
  - bennerg
    
    Dear Mods. My apologies if my comment appeared to be “vaccine conspiracy”, but as I understand it, the articles referenced, and their basis, were reports on the statistics published by the governments of NZ, Germany and the USA. All show an alarming increase in “all cause mortality” not related to covid-19 itself.
    
    I believe there is a genuine reason to have a discussion about these observed and now officially published statistics, without it being written off as “a conspiracy”. The fact that insurance companies, who have to pick up the tab in many cases, are now showing concern shows the legitimacy of the discussion:
    
    From the American Institute of Economic Research:
    
    https://www.aier.org/article/all-cause-mortality-in-the-united-states-during-2021
    
    “The CEO of the OneAmerica insurance company recently disclosed that mortality in the 18-64 age group was 40 percent higher during the 3rd and 4th quarters of 2021 than during pre-pandemic levels. For reference, the CEO indicated that a 10 percent increase would have been a 1-in-200-year event. Furthermore, most of the deaths were not attributed to Covid.”
    
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and that is what will allow us to see exactly what has been happening.
    
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    March 22, 2022 12:07pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Why not let the comment be posted and simply put a note that you believe it’s a “conspiracy” and post links supporting your view? Is there something you are afraid of? If so, what?
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:11pm
- cmm
  
  Yes, the population is aging. Just look at the boomer wave.
  
  The boomers are a demographic wave that has propagated though the population with time:
  * Late 50s, early 60s they were babies.
  * In the 60s/70s they went to school creating more demand for schools.
  * In the 80s they got married and there was a boom in demand for wedding dresses and houses for young families.
  * And now that wave is entering the end of life zone and we’re seeing a surge in demand for retirement villages, end of life care and increased deaths.
  
  But apart from that it is statistically broken to just compare one year against another. There are a lot of things which can cause fluctuations from one year to another.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:10am
  - Flossie
    
    Just one small thing. Boomers are defined as those of us born between 1946 and 1964. Most of those were not babies in the 60s.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:25am
- lastmanstanding
  
  It was the day after Election 23. Prime Minister Luxon annouced he had agreed with coalition partner ACT to sell the recently merged TVNZ and RNZ to Fox News.
  Finally we had a Government who understood we need a State owned broadcaster like we need a State owned car manufacturer.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best sell TVNZ and RNZ to CNN. They understand each other better than FOX
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:26am
    - alloytoo
      
      Sell it all to Rupert.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:47am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I don’t think he’d pay a dollar for the whole thing though – that’s the going rate I believe.
        
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        March 22, 2022 3:18pm
    - gravedodger
      
      The international sourcing for State TV is currently almost 100% Clinton News Network
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:52am
    - kowtow
      
      I’d get Turners And Growers to broker the deal.
      
      Expert lemon sellers.
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:13pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Oh that would be great, we could get the lovely Ainsley Earheart to do a few shifts at rubbishing the previous dictatorship
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:44am
Warren

The Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is under fire over her decision be a control freak and wait 48 hours before announcing the decision Cabinet has made around vaccine mandates, passes and Covid-19 protection framework.
Andrew Little must still have aspirations to be Prime Minister after his admission that removing vaccine passes would not increase hospitalizations.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-pm-jacinda-ardern-under-fire-over-big-vax-pass-mandates-announcement-delay/D4WDK5FH2KYSVO44LIKTEPAUUQ/
Then we have all the experts on the pandemic calling for caution with advise to the Prime Minister that it might be to soon after the peak in Omicron which might have something to do with the gravy train coming to a stop with obviously their service not being needed when the changes begin.
The never ending circle of deciet refuses to be discontinued.
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March 22, 2022 8:00am
- Spam
  
  She said changes were not immediate, and the extra 48 hours would not make any difference to when the decisions took effect.
  
  Yes, but it might make a lot of difference for businesses who are looking to do forward planning, update their policies, roster on more staff etc; or for people trying to make decisions. Yet again, this bunch of incompetents only think about themselves.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    With the previous breath she said it was signed off by cabinet
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:07pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  any one else sick of this country being influenced and ruled by germaphobes for the 2 years especially? Baker, Wiles, Ardern, Hipkins… you could easily conclude they just plainly don’t like germs, bugs, viruses.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:54am
  - kowtow
    
    Philosophically I think we’re witnessing a much bigger phenomenon.
    
    Risk aversion , the demand from a dumbed down electorate for being cared for , craddle to grave socialism , the rise of the technocrat , the passing of the greatest generation from positions of influence , media and social media power ; etc
    
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    March 22, 2022 1:18pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      i agree kowtow – i was just simplifying and abbreviating my thoughts, which helps sometimes without diving too deep into thought. 🙂
      
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      March 22, 2022 3:33pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Kowtow safetyism is very much loved by the woke. There’s a whole grift industry around it too.
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:26pm
- coge
  
  If anyone is expecting a reasonable outcome from the PM tomorrow. Prepare to be disappointed.
  
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  March 22, 2022 10:49am
Benedict Yu

This guy is hilarious.

“Baker said instead of scrapping vaccine passes, these should be upgraded to require boosters “so they mean something”.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300545899/covid19-aucklands-passed-its-peak-but-caution-needed-in-easing-restrictions

Instead of ending the vaccine passes, this guy wants them to be retained, and only available to boosted folk. Only about 60 percent of eligible people are boosted. So immediately, about 40 percent of people would be excluded from venues where they are required.

We learn that “Tāmaki Makaurau has copped the brunt of the outbreak, with nearly 210,000 cases….”

Poor Tāmaki Makaurau. ?

Then the pink haired one piles in….

“Microbiologist Associate Professor Dr Siouxsie Wiles said it would be “foolish” to remove all restrictions, and hoped at the very least masks would remain.” ????
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March 22, 2022 8:05am
- Cinematic
  
  The pink haired one is welcome to wear a mask however often she wishes. In fact her continuing to wear a mask (forever) has my full support, it muffles the voice and hides the face.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:10am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Good point, she is free to wear one indefinitely.
    
    Presumably, given this is her public position, we won’t see any photos of her maskless any time soon.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:10am
  - Matt Long
    
    I note one David Seymour also favours mask mandates because of the science shows they prevent infections. Is Ms Wiles his source of the science?
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:36am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I read that from Seymour. I’m frankly stunned that anyone still thinks masks are of any benefit. Wear one if if you want, but it’s no more benefit than changing the colour of your socks. It MIGHT help with normal bugs but ffs, that’s what your immune system is for.
      Are we really advocating moving to a situation where we all hide and avoid social interactions because we might get sick???? What’s the point of living???
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:36am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Seymour is making himself unelectable like all the others.
        
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        March 22, 2022 11:12am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Seymour is making himself unelectable like all the others
        
        Unfortunate isn’t it? but he is probably the best of a very mediocre bunch.
        
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        March 22, 2022 12:43pm
      - curry4me
        
        Once again, he has failed to read the room. Speaking of mask mandates; making children wear masks all day at school is tantamount to child abuse.
        
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        March 22, 2022 12:44pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Clan: I had dinner with someone recently who believes from now on we should wear masks the second we get a cold. Reason: Because they’ve been doing it for years in Japan and China. And clearly it works and is polite. She totally believes in the masking of us all in these great Covid times. I just couldn’t talk to her about the reality. I even offered to send her that video where Cindy, Michelle Dickinson and a woman from the MoH are all sitting around telling us what a waste of time they are and why. She just refused to hear it in the end. I gave up.
        
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        March 22, 2022 6:09pm
    - leoj
      
      Has anyone asked Seymour this?
      If someone is double or triple jabbed, why the need for masks?
      Do the jabs not work?
      
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      March 22, 2022 11:28am
      - MCōs
        
        What is your understanding of the protection provided by the various covid-19 vaccines?
        
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        March 22, 2022 12:42pm
      - curry4me
        
        No wonder ACT are dropping in the polls.
        
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        March 22, 2022 12:45pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I know you are being funny.
        
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        March 22, 2022 12:59pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Will sge also stay off public places including lounging on the beach and pretending she can swim.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:46am
  - gravedodger
    
    Full Burka would be so much better.
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:54am
  - namron
    
    How about we all put in a bit of money to buy the “pink haired one” a normal wig for Xmas?!?
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:03am
    - oldfella
      
      how about we shout her a trip to a proper hairdresser? That home dye-job just doesn’t look right. And I bet it doesn’t look like that on the packet.
      
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      March 22, 2022 12:12pm
  - kowtow
    
    Funny , when she was at the beach with her non swimming swimming friend , she wasn’t wearing one .
    
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    March 22, 2022 1:20pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Covid measures are for the peasants, Susie’s sterling work in disease education for the commoners make her exempt from having to follow her own measures. See also Climate Change.
      
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      March 22, 2022 2:32pm
  - Lee C
    
    I’d recommend a paper bag, personally.
    
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    March 22, 2022 2:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Baker and the pink terror are rabid control freaks, and there are many more (110% of Labour)
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:11am
  - pdm
    
    Michael `please find me a microphone and a TV camera’ Baker has zero crdibility in my eyes.
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:22am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Their last gasps for “recognition” before they fade off into irrelevance once again.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:15am
  - artemisia
    
    They may become irrelevant but they will be remembered. Not necessarily in a good way.
    
    Imagine recruiters name checking the internet.
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just remember, as they disappear back into the rotten woodwork, they will still be collecting a Taxpayer funded salary.
    Parasites
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They should be investigated and charges laid for the amount of harm they have caused to the people NZ, their lives, relationships and the economy. They really have caused devastation.
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:34am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      That sentiment could apply to oh so many individuals that have ‘acted” out their personal visions/dreams in the last couple of years – but it won’t happen Clan.
      
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      March 22, 2022 8:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We must be getting close to the custard pie in the face stage of this circus surely? Especially for these two plus Jackson, Hendy and Plank.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And Jaspinda – the worst of them all
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:36am
    - oldfella
      
      Remember when someone threw a dildo at Steven Joyce up at Waitangi? The media thought it was a great joke.
      Would they also find it equally hilarious if someone threw a custard pie at Cindy. Hmmm.
      
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      March 22, 2022 12:17pm
      - kowtow
        
        No . According to the Media it the former would be justified as a blow against the colonial oppressor , the latter would be a misogynist hate crime. Cos you know it when you see it.
        
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        March 22, 2022 1:22pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Only if the custard pie has a brick inside it!
        
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        March 22, 2022 2:35pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Unfortunately I have a sinking feeling that the circus will continue.
    
    Watch the Covidian cause become the next virtue signal, blue and yellow and then full circle back to climate change!
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:49am
- krazykiwi
  
  Two erstwhile ‘experts’ desperately trying to sustain their relevance, unaware that when their usefulness to our rulers is over they are marked for disposal.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:16am
- Rich Prick
  
  These freaks are out of control. Enough already!
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:17am
- cmm
  
  Boosters are a desperate attempt to repeat the same action (jabbing) and expecting a different result (it’s really gonna work this time).
  
  If they really want the passport to mean something then they should look at alternatives that are out there and are known to help.
  
  For example they could look at Vit D levels. To get a passport you need to have high enough Vit D levels. This is in no way controversial.
  
  Also, they could look at obesity. To get a pass your BMI has to be less than 40. Again, not controversial.
  
  There’s far more to improving your CV19 chances than just getting a third jab of a “vaccine” that didn’t work the first two times.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:16am
  - Ehlana
    
    Ohh, cmm, thank you for the laugh. “To get a pass your BMI has to be less than 40. Again, not controversial.”
    
    It may not be controversial in medical circles, but just imagine the squeals if someone tried to implement this. Even though a BMI of 40 is well over the obesity mark of 30 and the healthy BMI of under 25.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      They managed to implement passes for unvaccinated which is more ludicrous than needing a pass for being obese. The risk of death is much higher in an obese, triple vaccinated person. That might be uncomfortable, but it is the truth.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:39am
  - Clownworld
    
    How about live and let live? No passport domestically?
    
    Oh wait….digital currency, own nothing and be happy, state knows better than individual…..
    
    Looks like slim to zero chance of normality.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What did Einstein say about doing the same thing and expecting the result to change?
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:33am
  - mawm
    
    I could support international obesity passports stringently enforced by the airlines. //
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:33am
    - kowtow
      
      They enforce a weight limit on one’s luggage .
      
      So why not.
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:26pm
  - ecco
    
    Bmi of 40 is way too high. Bmi of 30 would be a better indicator of obesity.
    
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    March 22, 2022 12:57pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Another hilarity is the final gasp at stupidity by MBIE? MOH?
  
  Arrive at Auckland airport.
  Get asked to take a plastic bag with 3 RAT tests.
  
  NO INFORMATION INCLUDED.
  ie when to take them
  How to register results
  
  [Deleted by Mod, racial stereotyping]
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:55am
  - Ra Henare
    
    With all due respect Mod. There are people with Kiwi passports who struggle to read English.
    I had 2 sitting next to me who had trouble filling out the arrival card.
    So me saying “kiwis” is racist????
    
    And I thought woke was for other blogs
    
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    March 22, 2022 4:06pm
- glowworm
  
  [deleted, personal attack – Mod]
  
  This is seriously highlighting the issues, and lack of meritocracy now developing in our institutions.
  
  These people need severe acedemic scrutiny from this point forward. The people to concentrate on are those who have received awards (and funding) by this regime under Ardern.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:56am
  - glowworm
    
    Apologies mod. I can’t remember what I said. But it was directed at Professor Michael Baker.
    
    Does anyone know where I can find Professor Bakers PhD?
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:25am
    - Ehlana
      
      He doesn’t appear to have one. His Wikipedia entry lists only MB ChB (standard medical degree), Diploma in Public Health, and Diploma in Obstetrics.
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:32pm
      - glowworm
        
        What?!
        
        So you can be elected a professor with out a research qualification? What sort of tin pot research institute is the University of Otago? Is this a common thing??
        
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        March 22, 2022 2:06pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        He has never actually worked as a doctor, his brother has.
        
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        March 22, 2022 3:07pm
      - glowworm
        
        Ok. So Professor Baker has not worked as a doctor – nor has he a research qualification. Yet he is a Professor and expert.
        
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        March 22, 2022 3:33pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Where the hell is Tamaki Makaurau? Must be somewhere with a decent population to have 200K + cases.
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:07pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Agree. I find it really sad to see intelligent people (in their day). Kow tow to propaganda. Masks in cars ffs
    
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    March 22, 2022 2:15pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Something to do with Destiny Church I believe.
    
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    March 22, 2022 6:13pm
Rusty

Is Putin a war criminal?

Our PM can’t bring herself to say so. Instead she said it’s up to the UN to determine that.

Are gangs in NZ criminal Jacinda ?

What a joke!
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March 22, 2022 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The gangs are not criminals, they are her bbf.
  So is Putin
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:39am
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO… I read somewhere a while ago that ‘she’ can be guaranteed a very large number of votes from gang members and affiliates.
    Due to her ‘support’ naturally.
    Isn’t that tremendous?
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:00am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      hahaha if she believed that gang members actually vote then she must be a fool.. no one would believe that they actually got to the voting booths surely? sounds more like a clever way they managed to get her confidence just to squeeze taxpayer funding out of the govt. More manipulation – but this time Cindy got manipulated by the gangs.
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:59am
      - Paulus
        
        To vote each participant has to be Registered
        – and I bet that many gang members do not wish to be identified, so cannot vote anyway even if they wanted to.
        
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        March 22, 2022 2:02pm
    - kowtow
      
      I’m not so sure . Gang members themselves won’t be overly anxious to be on the roll as it means giving an address to the govt .
      
      Extended Family would be different , over whom they presumably hold heavy sway.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:22am
  - Ehlana
    
    BBF – Bad Boy Friends? Best Best Friends? Beer Buddies Forever – that sounds more like it! (or Butt Buddies Forever?!)
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Actually it is a typo. Should be BFF. Best Friends Forever
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:35am
- Libertarians are right
  
  To point out the utter stupidity of Jacinda – Russia have veto rights at the UN so she is basically asking Putin to determine if he’s a war criminal.
  
  Jacinda is way too interested in working for the UN that she’s too ready to let them decide things even when it’s something they can’t decide on.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:41am
  - hullkiwi
    
    BTW, she really is stupid, because it is not for the UN to determine if Putin is a war criminal, it is for the International War Crimes Commission & the International Criminal Court to determine. They are based in the Hague and not New York.
    
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    March 22, 2022 2:09pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s not a criminal offense to belong to a gang.
  That is not to say that criminals don’t belong to gangs.
  In my opinion Putin is a war criminal.
  How are these things determined?
  
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  March 22, 2022 12:51pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    The ICC need to collect evidence
    Charges need to be laid;
    A court case held; and
    For him to be found guilty.
    
    On past form, this process can take years.
    
    It is how justice is followed in the democratic world. However, people (Gordon Brown & John Major most noteably) are calling for a Nuremburg style War Crimes Court for Putin.
    
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    March 22, 2022 2:14pm
    - MCōs
      
      Joe Biden called Putin a war criminal.
      However
      The US doesn’t recognize the ICC.
      
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      March 22, 2022 5:58pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. It would be a wonderful world if all actions of all countries were judged on their merit.
    
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    March 22, 2022 3:09pm
Lee C

This young person fails to be impressed by the covid strategy:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1016240645962389
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March 22, 2022 8:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s over, it’s over, it’s over
  It’s over
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9JArvEJ64M
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:20am
  - Don Beckett
    
    That’s interesting – a very articulate young Maori bloke who has really got it sorted. Let’s hope a lot of young Maori are like him – he obviously doesn’t tow the ‘Te Tiriti” line.
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:25am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Is he Mike King’s son? He looks like him and has similar mannerisms to him. He’s right onto it. Always worth a watch.
      
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      March 22, 2022 6:33pm
      - Prophetess
        
        He is indeed-Nathan King – DOB 08/11/1986
        
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        March 23, 2022 2:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Saw this yesterday on FB. He is spot on.
  Jaspinda needs 48 hours (to tell us what we already know) so she can convert it all to word soup waffle waffle waffle.
  Now that I have found the post again I will dump it on FB to see how the fact checkers censor the truth!
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:21am
  - Biscuit
    
    ‘Jaspinda needs 48 hours (to tell us what we already know) so she can convert it all to word soup waffle waffle waffle.’
    
    Steve, it’s worse than you think.
    
    I read somewhere (but never checked) that Jaspinda has a staff of 75.
    
    What bet that at least half of those are full-time engaged at present in making coherent ‘soup waffle waffle’ for her Wednesday pronoucement.
    
    So it’s really 75 x 0.5 x 7.5 (let’s assume they’re putting in 7.5 hours per day) x the 2 days in question:
    
    562.5 hours…
    
    Charged, don’t you just know, NOT at the minimum wage, heh heh…
    
    At a far more likely $50 per hour, we taxpayers are fronting for $28,125 so that, she hopes, she might look good on Wednesday arvo…
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not her money, it is ours, so she does not care
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:22am
- Rich Prick
  
  There in more sense in that 8 minutes from a young guy than almost 5 years of rule by the tortured face.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He has had a lot removed from FB in the past. FB fact checkers are allergic to the truth
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:01am
- Bridgenag
  
  Maybe they have something on her or the hidden one
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just picked up on what you meant. The balloon must burst soon
    
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    March 22, 2022 2:20pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Great to have young people telling the story
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:54am
- Ra Henare
  
  Love this guy
  
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  March 22, 2022 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just watched it for the 5th time. He is very clever – tore Jaspinda to shreds!
  Good job young fella
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:04pm
G152

Cindy is now Covinda.
Named after her only ‘success’
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March 22, 2022 8:13am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The [deleted by Mod] said we signed this off on Monday, then used the delay to say we have to tidy things up, we’ll, not if it’s signed off properly, and what’s the bet on Wednesday she says all her gobbled guck and says starts April one, or even later closer to when Aussies will be free to come
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Success????
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:59am
- Observer of Life
  
  G152: Success ?
  
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  March 22, 2022 6:37pm
Yabster

Tamati Coffey- snout in the trough of the very system he says is the “tyranny of the majority” – good to see he was on the list of MPs who will be out of the trough if party voting continues the current trend.

From Hobsons pledge:

Higher standard needed for History
The new history curriculum, announced last week, will become a tool for dividing New Zealanders, with its clear focus on two types of citizenship.

With a failing education system producing shameful outcomes in literacy, numeracy, and even attendance, this Government continues to evade accountability by distracting New Zealanders with ideology.

Although originally scheduled for introduction to schools at the beginning of 2022, there was a range of criticism, including the strong influence of ideology and the complete omission of many important aspects of our history, which caused a 12 month delay. The delay was defended by Education Minister Chris Hipkins.

“The feedback the Ministry received was wide-ranging, clear, and at times confronting. New Zealanders have a lot to say about how our nation’s histories should be examined and discussed, and that is a good thing,” Chris Hipkins said.

The new curriculum requires students to make “informed ethical judgement(s) about people’s actions”. Making ethical judgement is not the role of history and the question must be asked as to who defines “ethical”.

Analysis of the curriculum shows the strong influence of separatist ideology. This will do little to reduce division or encourage unity. ACT’s education spokesperson Chris Baillie expressed valid concerns about the curriculum.

“…Labour is trying to make New Zealand an unequal society on purpose. It believes there are two types of New Zealanders. Tangata Whenua, who are here by right, and Tangata Tiriti who are lucky to be here. We should be learning the history of our multi-ethnic society.”

New Zealanders – heal thyself
Funding of $22 million has been announced for the Maori Health Authority, which is being established under the Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Bill, even though the Bill is still with the Select Committee.

Despite not yet being law, the chairs of both Health New Zealand and the Maori Health Authority have been appointed.

Supporting the announcement of the funding, the chair of Health New Zealand, Rob Campbell, criticised our current health system as being “dominated by monocultural thinking and approach”.

Rather than encouraging a colour-blind health system, he appears comfortable with the provision of health services differentiated by race.

The creation of two health systems involves a hugely expensive and unnecessary bureaucracy but, more importantly, entrenches racial separatism in New Zealand.

Health Minister, Andrew Little, confirms this in his statement that “the proposal wasn’t for two different systems – but for one system with two partners who will have to agree.”

The question needing an answer is: Where do those in need of healthcare turn when the two partners do not agree?

The health sector does need reform, but this reform should not, under any circumstances, start with division by race and add layers of bureaucracy that effectively delivers a power of veto by one group over the entire health system.

Steven Joyce’s endorsement of the need for health reform accurately captures the problems with when he observes: “Many highly experienced observers believe they will achieve next to nothing. That’s because the reforms involve the same people giving themselves new jobs in huge new entities, probably at higher pay, with nothing else changing.”

Contrary to oft-repeated claims, there is simply no evidence that the present system fails Maori, as Dr Lawrie Knight has convincingly shown in his testimony before the Select Committee.

Co-governance destroys democracy
Maori Development Minister Willie Jackson tried to reassure New Zealanders that they have nothing to fear from 50/50 co-governance. But in reality, co-governance is totally inconsistent with any concept of democracy and Labour knows it

This was clearly evident in comments made during submissions on the Canterbury Regional Council (Ngai Tahu Representation) Bill.

Tamati Coffey, a Labour List MP who failed to win the Maori electorate seat for Waiariki at the last election, nonetheless still believes he is entitled to speak for Maori. In his capacity as chair of the Select Committee dealing with the Bill, he stated: “The Westminster system is over for NZ – it prolongs the tyranny of the majority”. His comment was further endorsed by the co-leader of the Maori Party, Rawiri Waititi, who stated “Maori will never be equal in a democracy.”

As the competition for the Maori vote heats up, Willie Jackson seems keen to demonstrate Labour is the best option, explaining they “are not obsessive like the Maori Party.”

The Maori Party leaders describe themselves as being the only “Tiriti-centric” political party and have stated categorically that they will not go into coalition with any political party, unless that party shares their interpretation of the Treaty.

Hobson’s Pledge launched a campaign to tell National that New Zealanders want their democracy protected and do not want any future National-led Government to abandon democracy by forming a coalition with such an anti-democratic party.

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Silencing the majority
Tragically, our democracy is being criticised by many of our elected representatives – Willie Jackson, Tamati Coffey, Debbie Ngawera-Packer and Rawiri Waititi to name just four – despite their being elected by the very system they condemn. The co-governance solution is really a path to tribal rule, destined to benefit the tribal elite, but unlikely to be of the slightest benefit to most Maori.

The failure of co-governance is already evident in situations like the Ureweras where, despite taxpayer funding and agreements with the Crown, the park has been left in disrepair.

The obligation on the Crown to represent all New Zealanders equally before the law is increasingly ignored. Private citizens are forced to defend the interests of the public for the benefit of future generations. Evidence of this can be seen at:

Coalition of Landowners with the appeal against the quite extraordinary decisions of the Court as a result of cases brought under the Marine and Coastal Area Act
Gulf Users Group
Water Users Group in the efforts to stop the wholesale theft of the water assets from ratepayers.
And it has taken legal action by private citizens to defend the exotic trees which the co-governed Tupuna Maunga Authority had marked for execution in Auckland. That legal action has provided a stay of execution for 345 exotic trees on the public reserve of Mt Albert. The Court of Appeal decision of 3 March 2022, determined there had been a lack of consultation.

Unfortunately three of Auckland’s mountains had already lost their beautiful trees before private citizens stepped in to protest the action.

Despite their defeat in the Court, the Authority has already inferred they are considering next steps to allow them to proceed with their clear-felling of exotic trees.

This agenda is driven by a motivation to “de-colonise” the volcanic cones by replacing all exotic trees with native trees. But rather than a managed process of planting replacement trees in consultation with the community, the Authority simply decided that the trees represented “colonisation” and needed to be removed immediately.
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- 70andstilllearning
  
  “Health NZ chair admits he’s ‘not a health sector expert’”
  
  Which fundamentally means it will be a total cluster f…
  https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/print-archive/health-nz-chair-admits-hes-not-health-sector-expert#:~:text=Once%20a%20unionist%20and%20Labour,Health%20New%20Zealand%2FHauora%20Aotearoa.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:41am
  - kevn
    
    @70… He needs to see a real medical doctor.
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:15am
    - Mike
      
      Well said.
      If you find something interesting online, a brief summary and a link is best. Few people want to read a screed of copy and paste.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:27am
- surfing
  
  Unless you are someone of high profile, I’m not going to read your opinion novel .
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:41am
  - Opie
    
    Why even comment then surfing?
    
    What makes you so important that we should care whether or not you have read that person’s contribution?
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Was it too long for your attention span?
    
    It could have been chunked into 6 separate posts, I s’pose, but clearly Yabster was working-up a theme.
    
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    March 22, 2022 1:46pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Coffey will never be out of a job. he has established credentials as a high profile Maori whiner – and it’s a growth industry with tonnes of troughing organisations looking for elite whingers to grab at the cash for them.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    And he’s “woke” and fits the diversity portfolio. It’s the only reason he’s in there. Oh, and he was on TV once so has a bit of a profile. Other than that, a total waste of space.
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      ….What Now? …..
      
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      March 22, 2022 2:26pm
  - oldfella
    
    Coffey and Tuku Morgan both belong to that exclusive Maori troughing club. Not for regular Maori, just for the elite.
    
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    March 22, 2022 12:23pm
pdm

Word of the day:

ARDERNITY – defined as procrastination and fumbling, bumbling leadership.

My definition but I thank David Seymour for the word.
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March 22, 2022 8:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I liked this one:
  
  ADERNITY-
  The time from an announcement about an announcement until the announcement.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2203/S00168/its-no-longer-an-eternity-its-an-ardernity.htm
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:31am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    “This morning Jacinda told Radio NZ that waiting another 48 hours “just gives us a bit of time post-Cabinet that any changes we need to make are all tidied away before we share those details 48 hours later.”
    =
    “I gotta spin this out……
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      To me it means turning it into word soup waffle waffle.
      The only thing she excels at
      
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      March 22, 2022 8:45am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      However, the removal of the requirement for non vaccinated returning to NZ to undergo 2 weeks of MIQ will be quietly removed by updating the MBIE website with no announcement or fanfare.
      
      Which makes an absolute lie of any necessity to stage manage and roll out the decision made in Cabinet yesterday.
      
      Why is the MSM not reporting on this? (We know why…….)
      
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      March 22, 2022 8:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The MSM are doing what they have been paid to do. Must be time for another $55M carrot
        
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        March 22, 2022 9:13am
    - godruelf
      
      Sounds like she may have learnt from her last big announcement/cockup about dropping 25 cents a litre from petrol and diesel RUC from midnight IIRC. Petrol worked but when I checked last night on LTSA website RUC had not changed. A bit more complicated evidently. Probably worthwhile noting that responsibility for passing the decrease on to the end user for petrol rested largely with the Private sector. The RUC with the Govt.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:51am
      - Batman
        
        Given I am a keen driver I watched the press conference on that at the time. It was specifically mentioned that RUC would come later as there are 100+ charges and rates to calculate and re-do. They apparently will still get a full three months though.
        
        Oh and also, there hasn’t been an LTSA since 2008 so well done on finding it on that defunct website ? (kidding, I know you meant NZTA)
        
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        March 22, 2022 11:00am
      - godruelf
        
        Don’t seem to be able to reply to Batman . Just to say Mr Google is my friend and I type in LTSA and up pops the link to buy RUC .Ignores the latest couple of virtue signalling name changes.
        
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        March 22, 2022 11:59am
  - Biscuit
    
    Wow, an uptick from me for both pdm AND Maggy.
    
    I’m getting soft on East Coast residents!
    
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    March 22, 2022 9:13am
    - kevn
      
      @SteveO… Luxon should make a pledge to ‘support’ NZ media the same way and with a similar amount of slosh cash. Only if he is successful in 2023.
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That would be ‘buying’ votes yes?
        
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        March 22, 2022 10:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Someone being playing wordle today?
        
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        March 22, 2022 11:35am
Tomtoddy

The Government want us to believe that the only reason we are encountering high levels of inflation is events offshore. Once again the media are compliant with Stuffed running an article confirming our dear leader’s call.

The truth is that over hal;f the inflationary pressure we are now experiencing is generated internally. The Government’s own rampant spending, the Reserve Bank and Robbo shovelling more money into the economy and then failing to put the brakes on early enough.

The reality is that Orr and his lightweights (they removed any experience and wisdom) are out of their depth. Orr is more about optics than reality. We are going to pay a high price for the decision to put Orr in charge.
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March 22, 2022 8:28am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  IIRC 5.2% of the latest CPI figure (5.9%) was non tradeable sourced. Way more than 1/2 Tom.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:51am
- Littletramp
  
  Not to mention the way they (the Labour party) have stuffed up internal supply lines through thoughtless covid mangement – think food and rents, jobs, tourism, education.
  What would National (or any other party) have done different? Probably listened to some real life experts on logistics right from the start and acted in our best interests.
  This group have purely been opportunists using the threat of covid to rape and pillage the taxpayers pockets, and push through their ideology under emergency provisions.
  Medical professionals being bullied, censored and de-registered for dispensing any medical advice that is counter to politicians medical advice is medieval.
  A pox on their houses.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:59am
- Yabster
  
  yep Orr is bloody hopeless- another Labour appointment.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:18am
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… Not sure how many media employees are voters, few thousand. But imagine if the media had to offer balanced polly stories. Just put it in the media cash contract. Balance. Then money.
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:03am
artemisia

An Ardernity. Thanks for that ACT.

So, with an absolute majority and tens of thousands of advisers at one level or another, the Cabinet had to make important decisions without understanding all the implications and the details.

Not to worry, the Prime Minister tells us the delayed announcement tomorrow makes no difference as nothing is going to happen very fast anyway.

Prime Minister, you have one job.
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March 22, 2022 8:28am
- pdm
  
  `Prime Minister, you have one job.’
  
  And New Zealanders suffer because you are absolutely hopeless at it.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Too kind. NZ needs to HTFU on her, call out her bullshit. Go 24/7 and she may get the message
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:48am
    - kevn
      
      ‘kind’… another word banned in our household. arden has tainted it.
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:22am
- Rich Prick
  
  Yet she can manage Captain’s Calls on the hoof. I guess political unicorns are more important than our freedoms. What a shallow bitch.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When that Captain’s call turns out to be shit, she just walks away and thinks up another call
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:49am
- Cinematic
  
  “Nothing is going to happen very fast anyway”.
  
  One of the very few things Jacinda has said I believe to be true.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:46am
Lee C

Andrew Dickens “We’re coming to the time when we’re going to have to starrt picking up the pieces. And there’s a lot of pieces to pick up.”
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/andrew-dickens-theres-a-whole-lot-more-crazy-change-to-come-next-week/
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March 22, 2022 8:38am
artemisia

The decisions have been made by the government. ‘Credit’ where it’s due.
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March 22, 2022 8:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

The MSM is pumping out the view that NZ could be endangering its vulnerable folks by relaxing covid regulations too soon.

But these vulnerable folks don’t seem to realise that covid infection rates in NZ are now higher than the world’s infection rate.

NZ covid infection – 99,504/ 1M population
World covid infection – 60,509 / 1M population.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

It doesn’t much matter that most of NZ is double vaccinated, the virus is spreading.
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March 22, 2022 8:48am
- artemisia
  
  We, the country, could treat vulnerable people as adults and encourage them to look after their own health. Those who cannot be considered adults for whatever reason – targeted assistance.
  
  And stop being a hermit kingdom FFS.
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:54am
- cmm
  
  Is it really a good deal for a “vulnerable person” to hide under their bed for 2 years and counting?
  
  The average “stay” in a an old age home is 18 months. ie. the last 18 months of your life.
  
  You can choose to:
  A) Hide under your bed and hope the gremlins pass you by and pretend that you’re having a great last 18 months of your life.
  B) Choose to make the most of the last 18 months, taking a few precautions but generally not letting things interfere.
  C) Somewhere in between A and B according to your personal choices.
  
  Forcing people to go the “A” route has not saved anyone. Instead it has forced them to throw away the last years of their life.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:51am
Fisiani2

Relaxation reflex discovered

If you want to relax just do the following. This is a simple relaxation reflex that I discovered and have taught to thousands of people.
Sit in a comfortable chair and put your hands together in a ‘prayer like position’ . Cross your thumbs. Intermingle your fingers then extend the index fingers till they are almost parallel. Stare at the space between the fingers and you will notice that the fingers start to move together. When they touch just close your eyes and take a deep breath in. As you slowly breathe out you will feel very relaxed. When you have relaxed enough just open your eyes.
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March 22, 2022 8:49am
- Littletramp
  
  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Gosh, thanks!
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Self hypnosis?
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:16am
- All_on_Red
  
  A little joke for you.
  I was having a conversation with my farmer mate about how many partners he had had.
  He started counting them on his fingers and then he fell asleep.
  Ba boom tish
  
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  March 22, 2022 4:20pm
Maggie Pie

I was reminded last night by a colleague about the Conference we attended in Rotorua.
Sponsored by one of the worlds leading Pharmaceutical companies.
We were put up in what was at the time the city’s top Hotel…. views out over the lake, international restaurant, goodie-bags left on our beds.
The organisers suggested it would be safer if we all stayed in the Hotel at night rather than venturing out.
On the Sunday just as we were preparing to leave, it was discovered that at least 8 cars had been broken into in the secure carpark.

That was in 1998. I’ve never been back since.
Seems nothing much has changed?
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March 22, 2022 8:53am
- Frank the tank
  
  Oh it’s changed……..In much the same way a meth addict changes over a period of 12 months
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Things have changed Maggie. The thieves are now living in Motels and we’re paying the bills.
  BTW, they’re complaining their lack of Goodie Bags is racist. Cindy’s saying Cabinet has made a decision but she can’t reveal what it is until the 1st of April.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:25am
Thought Criminal

How much money did Jacinda/Robbo print?
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March 22, 2022 8:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Crikey,
  was someone meant to have counted it all?
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    My Abacus doesn’t have enough rows of beads.
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Too hard to count – the printers are going flat tack
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Re, ‘the removal of the requirement for non vaccinated returning to NZ’
Will the Airlines ‘no vax, no fly’ rules be lifted? (if they are still there now
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March 22, 2022 9:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  I took three flights over the last week. Mrs kk is vaxxed (Grrrr!) and was not once asked to show her pass. I’m unvaxxed and was not once asked to show a negative rat. But the masking mis-information from the flight crew was painful. So bereft of actual science, and full of the same old fear factory malarkey.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:48am
  - kowtow
    
    Too bad you weren’t flying with a rugby franchise .
    
    ‘The behaviour of Highlanders players who ignored requests from cabin crew to wear masks on a flight home from Wellington has been labelled “unacceptable”.’
    
    Unacceptable , a euphemism for illegal . But that’s Ok , good thing the footie boys weren’t media pardy hate figures like the so called Wanaka runaway couple , the media ensured they were publicly villified , pilloried and destroyed .
    
    Media Pardy hypocrites , foment division and discord partly at the hands of their paymasters to ensure compliance and no doubt also cos they enjoy the game of seek and destroy ( depending on the prey)
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/highlanders-flout-mask-rules
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:19am
    - MCōs
      
      The Highlanders couldn’t put together a team last weekend because so many of then were crook.
      Neither could some of the other super teams & only one game was played.
      Meanwhile
      The Womens Cricket World Cup is on to game number 21 with no problems.
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:41pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    How did you get away with not scanning your Vax Pass when you use the machines to check in and get a Boarding Pass?
    
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    March 22, 2022 12:05pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Manual check-in, as directed for non-vaxxed purebloods
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:25pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Not all airlines went that route but Air NZ and Qantas did so when will they back down is the question.
  I am hopping sooner rather than later because if there is one thing I know about the airlines they move at glacial pace when it comes to removing any restrictions.
  
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  March 22, 2022 10:02am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Remember: Air NZ is now government controlled. Puppet master Ardern … say no more.
    
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    March 22, 2022 7:14pm
- kowtow
  
  Mandate by proxy .
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:10am
Yvette

SkyCity
■ Internal Affairs finds litany of failures at SkyCity Casino despite earlier warnings to rectify similar issues …
The Department of Internal Affairs found many failures at SkyCity. It says there were:
• ”very few” harm and risk assessments carried out,
• a “dismissive attitude” by some staff to problem gambling issues, there was “insufficient staff” and “player ethnicity was not analysed” as a risk factor, despite Māori and Pacific customers being at greater risk
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2022/03/reddit-user-uncovers-1993-house-listings-in-new-zealand-revealing-the-more-affordable-days-of-real-estate.html?ref=ves-nextauto

■ Green Party MP Marama Davidson is piling pressure on retailer Farmers over its handling of an alleged racist incident in one of its stores.
[Two young Maori women] were at a Farmers in Tauranga earlier this month when they claim a staff member told Aiomai she looked “undesirable” and might be planning to steal something.
… Among them were Davidson, who accused the 112-year-old department store chain of minimising “people’s understandable rage at the violence of racism”.
“You should have IMMEDIATELY come out with a very strong message against all discrimination and profiling practices in your store and that you stand very strongly for values that people of our beautiful country expect,” Davidson, of Ngāpuhi, Te Rarawa and Ngāti Porou descent, wrote.
… She even revealed that despite being in Parliament since 2015 and a party co-leader since 2018, she herself still gets “racially profiled” at a “range of retail and hospitality businesses” – including Farmers.
… A survey earlier this year found 93 percent of Māori experience racism daily. Most said they had been followed, watched, or asked to open their bags in a shop, and a quarter said they were followed by staff all of the time or often.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/rage-at-the-violence-of-racism-marama-davidson-joins-chorus-of-outrage-at-farmers.html
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March 22, 2022 9:13am
- Nickc2
  
  Oh dear, Marama Davidson hasn’t learned much given all her time in Parliament.
  What she’s saying is without substance (evidence). At present, it’s just words from a third party(s) (hearsay).
  How about some evidence Marama: time, place and person (even a description of the perpetrator) would tend to lend some credibility to a perceived/desired situation.
  IMO, until Marama Davidson can provide evidence and not hearsay, she’s nothing more than a Green Nutter looking for a racist headline to try and justify her existence/wages.
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:09am
- Observer of Life
  
  Yvette: “ and “player ethnicity was not analysed” as a risk factor, despite Māori and Pacific customers being at greater risk”. So they didn’t racially profile their punters. I thought that was a good thing?!
  
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  March 22, 2022 7:17pm
ClanMcleod

Oh dear. Rafael Nadal struggling with chest pains and breathing difficulties at the Indian Wells Tournament final which he lost.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/rafael-nadal-had-breathing-problems-082531649.html?guccounter=1

Obviously not suggesting it could possibly be related to vaccines or anything like that. It’s just been one of those really weird years for the athletes around the planet. Pure anomaly.

108 FIFA REGISTERED PLAYERS AND OVER 400 ATHLETES DEAD IN SIX MONTHS

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eKksCth74qi2/
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March 22, 2022 9:14am
- Scott
  
  Fortunately my man Novak Djokovic is healthy and well. Even though he has had covid. But not had the vaccine. Something to think about?
  
  Novak also is a man of very special status. The only man to be kicked out of a country for not taking drugs ?
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    And will be playing in the French Open. I will watch this one, unlike the fiasco in Australia which prevented the best player in the world from playing for political reasons.
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:37am
- krazykiwi
  
  Authority figures who have encouraged, incentivized, cajoled, and threatened people into getting jabbed must be getting very, very worried. There is a gathering tsunami of evidence highlighting their malfeasance.
  
  For many, their efforts might be attributed to ignorance and their punishments discounted … but for the rest, those who knowingly caused the deaths of millions, their punishments must be scaled up.
  
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  March 22, 2022 10:07am
  - H. Upmann
    
    They are maybe not worried at all though, coated in arrogance and self-rightfulness.
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:21am
- MCōs
  
  How many FIFA registered players haven’t died?
  How many have died in Ukraine?
  
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  March 22, 2022 10:17am
  - graham
    
    … because what is going on in Ukraine is ABSOLUTELY the same as this …
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:06am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Equally, how many haven’t died in Ukraine? If only a small minority of sportsmen have had adverse vaccine responses and thus there is no cause for concern, then we can similarly not be concerned about Ukrainian war casualties, also consisting of a very small minority. Weren’t we told that “even one [Covid] death is too many”? So why is “even one vaccine death” OK?
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Poor attempt at gaslighting, as per usual.
    The number of FIFA registered players who have died in comparison to the previous 20 years is off the scale higher.
    Nobody has a clue how many have died in Ukraine so not sure why you would ask me? I do know if Ukraine had abided by the Minsk Accord they signed in 2014 then the 14,000 people who have died from Ukrainian attacks on Donbass wouldn’t be dead and Russia wouldn’t have invaded the country. So probably not many deaths at all.
    But they didn’t abide by the agreement and they did slaughter civilians over the last 8 years. The Russian response is not surprising.
    Now, do you want to talk about the illegal occupation of a third of Syria by the US and their support of Jihadists? What about Yemen? Oh, that’s “whataboutism” apparently and not permitted in the “official” narrative.
    Spare me the bullshit.
    
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    March 22, 2022 11:43am
    - MCōs
      
      “The number of FIFA registered players who have died in comparison to the previous 20 years is off the scale higher.”
      
      What are the numbers?
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:43pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        The 2001-2020 average sudden/unexpected death rate for FIFA-registered players was 4.2 per year.
        
        In 2021 there were 21 sudden/unexpected deaths for FIFA-registered players.
        
        This is a 500% excess death rate.
        
        Because reasons.
        
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        March 22, 2022 2:58pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        5 times more than they were in the previous 19 years.
        
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        March 22, 2022 3:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Diversion, as usual
    
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    March 22, 2022 3:01pm
- Hebe123
  
  That’s really sad, after the way he treated Novak Jokavich (sp?) and all….
  
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  March 22, 2022 10:30am
Benedict Yu

Moderna and Pfizer are seeking FDA approval for a SECOND booster. ??

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/after-pfizers-fda-booster-request-moderna-comes-more-ambitious-booster-submission

Seriously with all we know now, why would you?
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March 22, 2022 9:28am
- Matt Long
  
  Because the government and the MSM are still pushing the get boosted to protect your whanau narrative.
  And if you are foolish enough to trust them any data about vaccine failure or danger is going to slide straight off your brain mucous.
  
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  March 22, 2022 9:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Full on mis/disinformation.
    
    Not democratic . Not the “kiwi” way . Where did they learn these strategies and tactics . Has a very foreign feel to it.
    
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    March 22, 2022 10:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The irony of course being that government, their experts and their media accuse everyone who opposes their narrative of mis/disinformation without ever once providing an example of what they are actually talking about. Not once.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:52am
    - Clownworld
      
      Soros and co
      
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      March 22, 2022 11:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Collapsing narrative maintenance, the alternative is to admit you were wrong. Something nobody is going to be willing to do. So much at stake, so much damage done to so many lives.
  Oh and of course $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
  
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  March 22, 2022 10:50am
- bythesea
  
  well – examine your own decision making around taking the first booster.
  
  if i recall, you didn’t really want it.
  but, if your job had mandated it you would have
  but, if your family pressure (partner) was too great you would have
  
  so you did.
  
  so given the evidence we have to assume you will take the next one if the same pressure applies.
  
  not knocking you – really like your writing contributions, but you are a case study of coerced/pressured acceptance on the booster. You have to be quite unreasonable to act against coercion and perhaps its not in your nature.
  
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  March 22, 2022 4:08pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are making a false assumption. I was sitting on the fence. But I consented to a booster shot. At my age I am not going to be coerced by anyone, no matter how hot she is. ?
    
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    March 22, 2022 8:39pm
Warren

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern defends Labours use of Majority to block briefing
from Police on Parliament protest.
Labour MP’s last week used there Majority at Parliament ‘s Select Committee to block a briefing from Police Commissioner Andrew Coster, sparking a backlash from the National Party. But Jacinda Ardern said on Monday it was more appropriate for a independent Police Conduct Authority
(IPCA) to investigate the response to the 23 day protest against Covid-19
vaccine mandates that ended in a violent standoff with Police earlier this month.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-defends-labour-s-use-of-majority-to-block-briefing-from-police-on-parliament-protest.html
Of course Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister doesn’t want a full blown inquiry because that would warrant questions to her involvement and the Speaker of the house Trevor Mallard with questions of why he incited violence with his blatant stupidity in turning the Parliaments sprinklers on to drench the protesters and there families,there are also questions to be asked on the Prime Minister’s involvement with the Police Commissioner on how it ended and the Authority to end the stand off.
Our Prime Minister is not queaky clean and blatantly tells lies on many occasions so her involvement to end this occupation definately needs to be questioned.
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March 22, 2022 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So Jaspinda does control the Police? Thought cozy Coster was her mate – via Daddy.
  Then the other day, she said ‘Police have to make their own decisions, and Govt do not control this’ or something like that.
  Lies blamed on someone else – how ’bout that?
  
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  March 22, 2022 3:07pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  It is amazing how many people call Jacinda Ardern a lier. If untrue, she could sue those people for defamation. So why hasn’t anyone been sued yet?
  
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  March 22, 2022 8:08pm
Maggie Pie

TATIANA re-tweets….

https://twitter.com/JokersWildUK/status/1505951468444082179

LOL!!!
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March 22, 2022 9:29am
Yvette

Protest inquiry – independent, but on our terms
Ardern said on Monday it was more appropriate for the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) to investigate the response to the 23-day protest against COVID-19 vaccine mandates that ended in a violent standoff with police earlier this month.

But of these two paragraphs –
“I think it would be important for us to look at the terms of reference before making a judgement as to whether or not everything that needed to be included, or that we would expect to be, is.

“The IPCA is independent and I think it’s important that we have an independent voice in this, particularly because of course, some of the complaints will be coming from those who were part of it, and so I think having the independence is an important part of it.”

– does the first not contradict the second?

And of “related news” headlines on the same page –
Wellington Parliament riot: Former top police negotiator points blame at Speaker Trevor Mallard for aggravating anti-mandate protesters

– and –
Parliament’s $500,000 playground set on fire in shocking scenes as police circle in on protesters

– are not they just irony, Trev

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-defends-labour-s-use-of-majority-to-block-briefing-from-police-on-parliament-protest.html
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March 22, 2022 9:33am
- I remember when
  
  Morning Report Monday: RNZ:
  Ferguson: Does that mean there isn’t going to be a specific government enquiry.
  Jacinda: The IPCA are, of course, the body best equiped to deal with looking into both the intelligence held by the police, their decision making and those operational matters.
  No point in replicating what would be, I imagine, quite an intensive investigation.”
  
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  March 22, 2022 2:11pm
mandk

I promised to share the response from Air NZ to my question about the silly requirement for international passengers to be vaxxed (especially in light of the fact that I have had covid and am more protected than anyone who has simply been vaxxed).

The response was: “At this stage, our policy has not altered around the need to be vaccinated. We are monitoring the situation and if appropriate, we may look to alter our policy, however, at this stage it does remain in place. Any updates will be provided on our website.”
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March 22, 2022 9:38am
- Clownworld
  
  Or rather…
  “We of the woke waka rely on the koha from our overlords, the guvearnmint and Empress Wahine Covinda, if they stay jump we say how high”.
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:23am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Thanks mandk.
  
  As a dual Nz/USA citizen I am able to travel to the USA unvaccinated. Since Air New Zealand won’t allow me to board their international flights, I’ll just find another carrier.
  
  Just kind of sad that my taxpayer dollars are supporting this discriminatory airline.
  
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  March 22, 2022 7:56pm
Inandout

What can one say, poor bugger.

‘A pensioner who went missing ten years ago has been found dead in a freezer in a disused pub.

Roy Bigg is believed to have been around 70 when he vanished in Newham, London, in February 2012.

He has been the subject of a Missing People appeal since then, with the poster appearing to believe he could still have been alive’.
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March 22, 2022 10:19am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  OK, I’ll say it … a cold case finally gets resolved.
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:30am
- Lee C
  
  Unfortunately many pensioners lose interest in life when they feel they are being frozen out.
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:41am
Lucia Maria

We Will Delete You | Tablet Magazine

How liberal democracies acquired the power to end your participation in society with the push of a button

The article talks about what happened in Canada with the trucker protests, however, we are not immune to the same behaviour. Recently have seen a person tweet that Kiwibank has frozen their bank accounts. No reason was given and the only thing the person thought they might have done “wrong” is donate to the convoy protest here. Also, during the protest, one of the protestors had his Kiwibank accounts frozen, but had them unfrozen after turning up to the bank with friends. Not sure what the situation is now with him.

What happens when a government is no longer required to do the very difficult, friction-filled work of finding people, writing tickets, arresting them, charging them, granting them due process, obtaining convictions, and jailing the guilty? When the government can bring a person’s practical participation in society to a standstill with the push of a button, it becomes silly to even talk about individual rights or due process. In the face of this new kind of push-button power, exercised at the whim of the governing party with zero legal oversight, individuals can simply be deleted from the system—even if, technically speaking, they are never charged with or convicted of a crime.

This happening now, quietly. But it is happening.
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March 22, 2022 10:55am
- kowtow
  
  Happened to the Synlait truck driver too .
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:07am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Dissent is being made illegal. We simply aren’t “liberal democracies” anymore, so accusing other states of practicing tyranny is pretty hollow.
  
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  March 22, 2022 11:33am
  - Taieri
    
    We simply aren’t “liberal democracies” anymore
    ———–
    
    But, were we ever?
    We have very little influence on the selection of a candidate standing for a public office. While we are allowed to endorse somebody else’s (a political party) choice at the triennial ritual called general election, we are not and were never allowed to recall our “elected representative” who ceased to “represent” us.
    
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    March 22, 2022 12:01pm
- I remember when
  
  Lucia Maria:
  To be fair the government is largely doing away with “jailing the guilty.”
  
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  March 22, 2022 12:17pm
Maggie Pie

Just went to the door and signed for my package from Amazon.
The courier guy totally flirted with me.
He wouldn’t have been more than 20.

LOL!!
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March 22, 2022 11:04am
- All_on_Red
  
  He’s probably been watching too many movies…
  
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  March 22, 2022 12:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Such as? 😛
    
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    March 22, 2022 1:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      H & M
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuHkE1eU2AY
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:25pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL!!
        
        Bet A-o-R was thinking of this……
        
        https://youtu.be/hsdvhJTqLak
        
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        March 22, 2022 2:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I suspect your young Courier was thinking ‘The Real MILFs of Remuera’ or some such with images of lonely housewives dragging him inside.
        I doubt he would have seen the Graduate- love that Alfa Spider though.
        
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        March 22, 2022 4:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      The Graduate springs to mind
      
      You’d remember that
      
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      March 22, 2022 5:50pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      What was the one with Glenn Close.. a pot of boiling water… and a rabbit??? ?
      PS: Just kidding MP. Love ya work! ?
      
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      March 22, 2022 7:38pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Well Maggie, you shouldn’t have gone to the door in your 6″ stilettos and stockings and suspender…….
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:13pm
Jack5

Short-play trapped nickel magnate Xiang Guangda and his bank supporters will be feeling easier this week.

Nickel contracts on the London Metals Exchange fell by the limit, 15 per cent, to $US31,389 a tonne, on trading overnight. This compares with the peak of more than $US100,000 on Monday March 7, as the price doubled in hours.

Xiang, founder and president of Tsingshang Holding Group, a large producer of stainless-steel grade nickel in China and Indonesia, is rumoured to based his play on a projected price of $US20,000 a tonne. This suggests Xiang’s liabilities on the trades may be down to a billion or two. At the peak price this month he was liable for $US8 billion or more, and international and Chinese banks had to help meet margin calls.
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March 22, 2022 11:29am
- bythesea
  
  if you have an interest in trading or commodities, this is an interesting discussion of what happened by Patrick Boyle.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHXF5LyLI4M
  
  The halting trading was unusual, especially as it ended up being about 10 days.
  
  But what you may not have heard is that the LME (the Exchange) *cancelled* (as in rolled back and made null and void) all the trades from one day!
  
  Unheard of for this to be done in bulk i think.
  
  Its hard to think of a more fundamental principal of trading that once a deal is made, its fixed in stone.
  
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  March 22, 2022 4:37pm
Lee C

I recall reading an article yonks ago in Reades Digest – it was about ‘flirting’.

Fact is fliritng is an important social activity amongst we primates. It isn’t always sexual, in fact often it isn’t, but it adds a frisson to casual and other encounters.

Flirting is a wonderful means to make one’s day go quicker, and it provides us with an outlet for some of our more depressing sef-dialogues.

Reading this article years ago, had a profound impact. It necessarily sexual, and it is an important aspect of our anthropological make up.

Having this metacognitiove appreaciation of flirting in all its subtleties – has got me into all sorts of problems over the years.

Mostly with young women who never got the memo.
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March 22, 2022 11:39am
Hugh Jarse

An Ardernity – the gap between Ardern announcing a cut to Road User Charges to help struggling families and that cut coming into effect. Thanks To David Seymour.
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March 22, 2022 11:58am
103PapPap

I expect that at tomorrow’s press announcement, some intrepid journalist will ask Jacinda why she didn’t wait for some days before making the “Cancel all oil and gas exploration” announcement.
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March 22, 2022 12:04pm
- kowtow
  
  A question for journalists would be “how many work for “news” agencies that have not signed up to the activist Covering Climate Now , thingy . ”
  
  I suspect very few . The “news” is not news.
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:43pm
I remember when

Jacinda must be pleased:
Just been on a short drive that took me passed a number of petrol stations.
Prices ranged from $2.51.9 to $2.57.9 with one lagging behind at $2.71.9.
In fact, one was $2.45.9 if you used their 6 cents discount system.
Most of the others were loyalty card prices.
That’s a lot of 25 cents missed by the government.
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March 22, 2022 12:06pm
- kowtow
  
  Useful app called gaspy.
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:40pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

CGTN reports 133 Chinese killed in plane crash yesterday.
They say there have been 22 accidents involving Boeing 737-800’s….10 of which were fatal 🙁
[Who is “they”? Perhaps you could give a link – it is not in the twatter link you have given. mod.]
https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1505839620990275586

Shares in Boeing plunged nearly 10% this morning.
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March 22, 2022 12:09pm
- cmm
  
  There are about 5000 of the things flying and their crash rate is pretty low. From Wikipedia:
  
  “An analysis by Boeing of commercial jet airplane accidents in the period 1959–2017 showed that the Next Generation series had a hull loss rate of 0.17 per million departures compared to 0.71 for the classic series and 1.75 for the original series”
  
  That would make the NG planes way safer than previous 737s and pretty much the same as the hull loss rate for Airbus 4 Gen planes.
  
  https://accidentstats.airbus.com/statistics/hull-losses
  
  People are just a bit jumpy after the 737 MAX debacle.
  
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  March 22, 2022 12:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    When my partner saw the vid he could hardly believe how it just nose-dived.
    He thort it looked like the wings had fallen off!
    
    Lots on Twitter also think it’s ‘highly suspicious’ for a plane to just drop like that. I see some are waiting to see the passenger-list before passing judgement on the how & why.
    
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    March 22, 2022 1:10pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Ah, yep Maggie. Something has gone catastrophically wrong for the plane to just go into a dive that steep. If its control surfaces are functioning, then the angle of attack can be controlled to a degree, by the pilots. It’s hard to see, but to me, it looks like it has inverted somehow. If the wings did come off, they could have come off from going past the never exceed speed and past the load rating for the wing.
      
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      March 22, 2022 1:29pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Off course it could be false news….There is lots of it about now days.
        
        I think back to the Ukrainian Pilot who shot down 6 Russians vide. Crap of course
        
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        March 22, 2022 4:54pm
      - MCōs
        
        “Something has gone catastrophically wrong”
        
        I can confidently say you got that right.
        
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        March 22, 2022 5:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Attn BATZ…it is in the twitter-link, silly!
  Just clik on ‘cgtn.com’ below the pic.
  All live updates
  
  SHEESH!
  
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  March 22, 2022 2:10pm
  - Batman
    
    Sorry Magz it wasn’t me ? it seems another Mod was sceptical of your “they” claim.
    
    A quick google tells me that there were 11 for the NG model in total
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-21/737-model-in-china-crash-has-strong-safety-record-isn-t-the-max
    
    I will say that it’s fairly irresponsible for you to talk about suspicious circumstances and reference who might be on board. I know you love a gossip but that’s pretty rotten stuff to suggest.
    
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    March 22, 2022 5:58pm
I remember when

Don’t you just love the proliferation of titles they dream up for staff now.
Email from Neighbourly:
Head of Member Experience.
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March 22, 2022 12:13pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Head of Member Experience, Ms Bella Fellatio
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:26pm
Jack5

Could NZ gangs be behind some sort of public relations drive?

It wouldn’t be surprising in a country that has a PR Prime Minister, and she will have an eye on the next election.

We have had Canterbury University sociologist Jarrod Gilbert writing about riding with motorcycle gangs, and now at Red Radio’s web site, a law academic from Auckland’s AUT writes about the proportion of people NZ police shoot dead compared with those killed by police in Britain.

It sounds like the old ” they should shoot to wound” bullshit, and “they need more training.”

It would be interesting to know if Britain and Scandinavia proportionately have NZ’s gangs problem, and whether their gangs are as violent as ours.

New Zealand police do not carry pistols except on “special occasions,” so the critics must be talking about NZ’s armed squads.

We posters on Kiwiblog criticise the police often, but think of this:

– The lightly armed police who took the Christchurch mosque terrorist alive, though he was heavily armed and was in a car carrying explosives.

– The young constables who patrol cities unarmed and, as in Auckland recently, sometimes are shot dead by criminals.

– The practicality of a shoot-to-wound policy. That would be difficult even for Olympic marksmen.

– Does Britain have such liberal, tut-tut sentences for violent offenders?

– Would NZ police have tracked and shot down the fleeing Brazilian in a London underground station as London police did.

– Above all, can we suspect that Ardern’s bought media are preparing a “reform the police shooters” campaign as a counter to voter anger and fear about gangs with a general election 18 months or so away?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/463789/revoking-the-licence-to-kill-what-new-zealand-s-police-shootings-tell-us
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March 22, 2022 12:20pm
- cmm
  
  I will make the bold claim that I am one of very few on this blog for whom shooting people is anything other than an academic exercise.
  
  Shooting a person in the body is quite challenging and specifically shooting to wound is even more challenging. As you might expect, few people are passive, cooperative targets!
  
  Biden, and others, who think you can just shoot someone in the leg are clueless.
  
  Firstly a leg is a teenie, tiny target compared to the rest of the body. Damn hard to hit. More shots required. More collateral damage.
  Secondly, a shot in the leg is typically not a stopper. The person can continue with aggressive acts.
  Thirdly, there are plenty of places in a leg shot that can kill. eg femoral artery which can bleed out very quickly, so shooting in the leg is not always the healthy option on the menu.
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:51pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I have a couple of Police Detectives as friends. They say that with all the adrenaline etc that really anything further than 3-4 meters away you can easily miss. And always aim for the biggest body mass and fire as many as you need.
    
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    March 22, 2022 3:58pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      I saw that headline in the Herald the other day, just disgraceful. It used to be internationally that about one in five police shots hit their target for the reasons your friends have said. As you say, central body mass is the preferred option to incapacitate the threat. The NZ Police generally do a great job of protecting the public and themselves considering the limitations they have in dealing with firearms incidents knowing they will then be subject to months if not years of multiple investigations and trail by media and relatives.
      
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      March 22, 2022 4:52pm
- MCōs
  
  “The young constables who patrol cities unarmed and, as in Auckland recently, sometimes are shot dead by criminals.”
  
  It’s been almost two years since Constable Mathew Hunt was killed and eleven years before that to the next officer killed on duty.
  I’m not minimizing these deaths, but they are not the regular occurrence you infer.
  Forestry has a far higher death rate.
  
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  March 22, 2022 7:29pm
Batman

Not to spam about the claims about excess deaths but those claims fly directly in the face of actual data showing mortality declined. Excess deaths also declined.

I would challenge anyone to disprove the linked methodology without resorting to personal attack (which is the obvious angle to take with it)

https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/mortality-declines-in-aotearoa-nz-during-the-first-two-years-of-the-covid-19-pandemic/
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March 22, 2022 12:33pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  That post doesn’t address the Elephant in the room at all. Of course mortality declined in ’20 and ’21 due to absence of respiratory viruses, that could be predicted by anyone even superficially aware of usual patterns and impacts of winter respiratory pathogens. But the critical issue that they don’t mention is why did excess deaths increase by ~2000 in ’21 vs ’20 when viruses were similarly absent both years., that’s a 6% increase year on year, 12% for the months in question, a pretty enormous increase. The only other substantive difference seems to be the covid vaccine program in 2021.
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:22pm
  - Batman
    
    it’s the different which you guys *really* want to be the reason.
    
    There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest it is down to the vaccine programme.
    
    Again, your comment does not provide a viable alternative explanation beyond willing it to be vaccines.
    
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    March 22, 2022 6:05pm
- alloytoo
  
  Mortality declined in New Zealand largely at the cost of smothered economic activity.
  
  Road accidents, workplace accidents, and flu like viruses probably accounted for decline.
  
  What this doesn’t account for are preventable deaths which may still occur due to deferred diagnosis which could have a long tail.
  
  As well as post traumatic mental illness which may only manifest after a few years.
  
  It would be better to compare the excess deaths over a 10 year period alongside a country like Sweden which didn’t resort to severe lockdowns.
  
  Clever folk can then compare the 10 year average excess death, the GDP & Inflationary impact as well as the longevity lost due to the economic impact.
  
  I suspect there’s Nobel prize in economics for someone in analyzing this period of time.
  
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  March 22, 2022 1:44pm
  - Batman
    
    Alloy you’ve got the closest so far. Yes I agree those are valid questions. Though the sources cited will have accounted for those factors, excluding the long term impacts and economic side.
    
    Sweden will still get blown out of the water thanks to its death toll of several thousand.
    
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    March 22, 2022 6:08pm
    - alloytoo
      
      “Sweden will still get blown out of the water thanks to its death toll of several thousand.”
      
      Only if those deaths represented lives shortened by years, rather than months.
      
      Many of the victims amongst the elderly were older than the average lifespan anyway.
      
      The key evaluation not be based on death stats, It will be based the economic cost of of extending a few lives by a few months vs the quality of life cost into the future of our children and whether their lives have been potentially shortened by more than the months we managed to save at huge economic cost.
      
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      March 22, 2022 9:48pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Thanks for that link, Batman.
  
  I’ve been concerned about the excess mortality stats, having seen numbers from overseas that impact younger age bands, especially in working age people based on insurance data. It would be good to confirm that similar problems are not happening here.
  
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  March 22, 2022 2:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I would challenge anyone to disprove the linked methodology without resorting to personal attack.
  
  Happy to oblige….
  
  The decrease in excess deaths calculated in the blog piece you link to is based on a model of expected average deaths..
  
  With NZ, the estimated population is ~5.1 million, and per figure 1, the excess deaths is below ‘0’ (red dotted line) with -53.8 deaths per 100,000. This figure equates to 2,750 people in NZ not dying during the pandemic period relative to the expected numbers dying based on pre-pandemic estimates.
  
  So it’s a guesstimate of how many didn’t die.
  
  Whereas, if we go to the stats of deaths in NZ for 2020 and 2021
  we learn that the actual number of deaths in 2021 increased by 7.1% from the year before…
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/births-and-deaths-year-ended-december-2021-including-abridged-period-life-table
  
  Now, either you can explain the real-time data or you can fiddle around with models of what might be expected in an “average” year.
  
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  March 22, 2022 2:11pm
  - Batman
    
    Hmmmm interesting. It would be interesting to put that to the authors and see the response.
    
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    March 22, 2022 6:12pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      She showed you up eh
      LOL
      
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      March 22, 2022 7:40pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/_Hbk6uN7Noc/

Biden HUMILIATED as the Globalist Order COLLAPSES!!!

Bumblin’ Biden is being utterly humiliated on the world stage as the liberal globalist order collapses all around him! In this video we’re going to see how Biden got spanked by President Xi of China, we’re going to see how China is but the latest in a whole line of nations that want nothing to do with this weak and woke regime, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal the needed geopolitical solution once we finally send Bumblin’ Biden back to Delaware. [12:36. So will Trump be Biden’s Darius?]
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March 22, 2022 12:34pm
- Batman
  
  Curry if you’re going to link whore from bitchute of all place, you could at least do a little better than a lazy copy-paste of the video’s description.
  
  You could try to add your own thoughts instead of just showing us your watch history.
  
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  March 22, 2022 6:17pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hall monitor- Batman is Kiwiblogs Karen
    
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    March 22, 2022 7:35pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjHBhLTg7A
BoJo 1 Sturgeon 0.
BoJo has said no Indy referendum for Scotland. [3:31]
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March 22, 2022 12:34pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/dqKPQMhDFPk/
Hunter Biden on Brink of Indictment.

My oh my, how the tables have turned! Now lawyers close to the investigation of Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop from hell believe he is about to be indicted, and NOW the question is: what did ol’ Sleepy Joe know about it all? In this video, we’re going to look at the latest reports on Hunter’s indictment, we’re going to look at precisely what role Sleepy Joe played in his son’s elicit activities, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal what the latest revelations all really mean for the future of the Bumblin’ Biden regime. [12:11]
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March 22, 2022 12:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There is more than sufficient cause to indict Biden in non-hyper-partisan times, but until the DNC want Biden gone nothing will be done. He would be toast after the rout expected in the midterms in 8 months, and is already within a gnats hair of being least popular post WWII president at this point in term.
  
  With only 8 months to go until midterms and the terribly publicity and drawn out nature of impeachment process it seems unlikely that DNC will push for impeachment. More likely I think that Biden will be told to resign at some point in next 8 months citing mental decline to avoid trial and we will get a Lame duck President Harris for the last 2 years of this presidency.
  
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  March 22, 2022 2:02pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    The signs are there now the DNC is over Biden and Harris.
    The NY Times finally admitting the Lap top is real is a sign that Joes handlers might be getting tired of him.
    But how do they do it?
    Health? And first they need Harris to resign and replace her. That will be hard getting Senate approval from the Republicans given the 50/50 Senate. And if she resigns then her casting Vote is gone.
    
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    March 22, 2022 3:52pm
    - Mike
      
      That’s a great example of your imagination working overtime.
      LOL
      
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      March 22, 2022 4:25pm
      - Batman
        
        Well we know that AoR does love a fanciful story or two haha.
        
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        March 22, 2022 6:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ha
        Like Hunter Biden laptop, like the ‘Russia collusion hoax’?
        You two are such a couple of lying losers
        Batman – you realise you are Kiwiblogs biggest Joke?
        It’s hilarious how ignorant and wrong you are.
        Everyone laughs at you and still you are here.
        So funny
        
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        March 22, 2022 7:37pm
    - curry4me
      
      They’re probably that if the Hunter laptop thing is used to impeach Brandon, or replace him; that there will be less of a blood bath in Nov.
      
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      March 22, 2022 10:33pm
  - Batman
    
    Urban, remember how Biden was going to drop out of the primaries, then drop out of the race to be replaced by Clinton, then not be sworn in, then resign or be pushed aside in the first year, and now you want us to believe that he’s going to resign sometime in the next 8 months?
    
    Same goes for your evidence for indictment. Only in fantasy land is that going to happen.
    
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    March 22, 2022 6:19pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh ffs
      You are hardly in any position to critique others for being wrong
      
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      March 22, 2022 7:39pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum retweets…

“Just WHO does the MP-for-Tijuana think generates the income to not only pay HIS fat salary… but for the needs of the entire country? Sure as shite it ain’t disabled migrants”

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1505669554412089344

SHEESH!!
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March 22, 2022 1:38pm
Yvette

“Ardernity”, while only 51.82 percent are “fully vaccinated”
Just when (as others have, of course, noted) David Seymour coins the exact word to describe Arderns’ utterly frustrating delays, one hopes the fact she is being so openly mocked now for this, that yesterday’s announcement of tomorrow’s announcement will be the last.
She will be a mentally impervious to a millstone albatross if it is not –

ACT’s David Seymour said the Government was making Kiwis wait an “Ardernity” for its decision.
“Jacinda should treat us like adults and tell us what it is. Instead, our staged managed Prime Minister has decided she cares less about New Zealanders desperately waiting to the hear the decision and more about the podium time.
“People have lost their jobs over mandates and are excluded from parts of society but none of that seems to matter to Jacinda Ardern.”

And to confirm the general feeling that yesterday’s announcement of tomorrow’s announcement is poll-driven rather than a scientific medical response. there is –
Dr Jackson said it’s about four weeks too early to drop the public health measures as cases remain high – 14,463 cases were recorded on Monday – and hospitals remain under significant pressure. The Ministry of Health reported 1000 hospitalisations on Monday and a further nine deaths.
now –
20,907 community cases; 1016 hospitalisations; 25 in ICU; 15 deaths reported today

– to which should be added the fact that Director-General of Health Dr Bloomfield has redefined “fully vaccinated“ as having three covid vaccine injections, but as of 9am this morning there have been 34,211 third primary doses; 2,556,753 booster doses, so a total of 2,590,964 third injections, so of the “team of 5 Million” that is 51.82 percent “fully vaccinated”, against the 90 percent “milestone” Ardern was forced to give a while back. So vaccination ~~targets~~ are kinda crap.

Meanwhile –
Jacinda Ardern united New Zealanders when Covid hit. Then a long second lockdown split ‘the team of 5 million’– Morgan Godfery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/19/jacinda-ardern-united-new-zealanders-when-covid-hit-then-a-long-second-lockdown-split-the-team-of-5-million

This article attempts to explain why – Labour’s decline in the polls has government diehards puzzled – but I would contend a major reason for a “split” and a “decline” is illogicality – in mandates, and such as the 51.8 percent vaccinated against 90 percent as mentioned above.
Jacinda just “does not compute” – no longer, if she ever really did
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March 22, 2022 1:48pm
I remember when

Dear Jacinda,
Your covid cases numbers are even less reliable than mine, keep up the good work.”
Vladimir.
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March 22, 2022 1:50pm
I remember when

Sky Sports:
Sky Sport pricing will increase by $3 per month, from ….
And here was me thinking that you increased prices when the product has improved.
Okay, covid isn’t their fault but perhaps a thanks for hanging in there.
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March 22, 2022 1:57pm
Surely Knott

The WHO’s influenza page has disappeared just like the real flu. I wonder what the spin will be when it reappears. https://www.who.int/influenza/en/
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March 22, 2022 2:33pm
surfing

Facebook are allowing Russians to use whatsapp.

I’d thought that most western companies had stopped doing business in Russia, not Facebook though.

Maybe intelligence agencies are harvesting intel from Russian whatsapp users?
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March 22, 2022 2:45pm
- Ehlana
  
  Whatsapp has end-to-end encryption. The Russian state may be able to break it, but do they have the resources?
  
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  March 22, 2022 3:30pm
Maggie Pie

Tatiana really seems to be enjoying this! She txt….

“They’ve just found Vlad’s $700mil boat off the coast of Italy and are calling for it to be seized b4 it gets away!”

WATCH

https://youtu.be/WyYp9xPLa8s
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March 22, 2022 2:53pm
MCōs

An interesting article on Russia, Putin and all that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60767454
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March 22, 2022 3:03pm
bjools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/128126300/im-not-paying-that-anz-economists-expect-10-house-price-drop
1. less houses on the market (sell value below LVR)
2. less rentals
3.Less first homes available
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March 22, 2022 3:05pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Its not really a ‘price drop’ but more an easing of Sellers expectations. They will still do well.
  Given the boom we had its hardly surprising we have run out of property to list- theres been tremendous volume.
  
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  March 22, 2022 3:48pm
- greybeard
  
  1. Fewer…..
  2. Fewer….
  3. Fewer….
  
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  March 22, 2022 3:52pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s strange how folks can cope with many and much;
    but seem to have lost the plot over few and less.
    
    (many people, much work; few people, less work)
    
    I’ve forgotten when I learnt of countable nouns.
    
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    March 22, 2022 4:39pm
- cjn
  
  Fewer.
  
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  March 22, 2022 6:01pm
Hugh Jarse

There are 10,000 people including 4500 children living in motels as emergency housing. What is the accomodation plan when NZ opens up to tourism Carmel, Nashie ?

National are going to inherit a god forsaken mess across all of the portfolios. If we thought what the Key government had to clean up after the Clark era, the GFC, Christchurch and Kaikoura earthquakes was bad this is going to be a 100 times worse.
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March 22, 2022 4:38pm
Ehlana

The Taxpayers Union alert us to more waste: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/100-percent-crop-yield-target-new-indoor-growing-tech

Our government is giving a company (Southern Fresh Foods) a lot of (our) money to trial an overseas indoor growing system “to ensure it can be adapted to local climatic conditions”.

I would have thought indoor climates would not be significantly different the world over. Isn’t that the point of indoors?

Also, if taxpayers are putting in 40% of the funding for the venture, what return are they getting? 40% of the profits? The money returned with (commercial rate) interest?
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March 22, 2022 5:01pm
Joely Doe

Barry Soper lets rip!

Barry Soper: Why can’t this Government make a decision and announce it at once?

It’s been a loooong time since an article this disparaging about Cindy has appeared in print, and comments allowed.
The comments alone are worth the visit.
99.8% hammer Cindy and her merry band of incompetents. Has the worm finally turned?
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March 22, 2022 5:15pm
info@cruzpro.com

If the Ukrainians have the ability I would have thought that they would go and bomb a few Russian cities. Don’t just try to defend yourself, make your enemy feel a bit of pain. The UK did this to Germany. The USA did this to Japan. Sorry for the affected citizens but this is the horrible face of war.
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