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Warren

What a difference in attitude and demeanor for our sour puss Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern who has taken a beating in the polls and from certain parts of the media in the last week.
But it’s more noticeable with her false smiles and laughter when announcing New Zealand is to open their borders to the world, well that’s her words but really it’s only a certain few countries, this just another flip flop after rejecting calls for months from National and Act to open our borders and save the Tourist industry.
But what irks me more is the media using Simon Bridges as a weapon to take the pressure off our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern after he resigned from Parliament as a MP you have Jounalists
Fran O’Sullivan has Bridges exit exposed Luxon blindspot.
Thomas Couglan Luxon inner circle.
Clare Trevett PM starts the fight back against Luxoncost of living attacks.
Then we have had another who’s name escapes me at present suggesting Bridges has resigned because to many National MP’s have stabbed him in the back and finally the Herald editorial how National Party burnt Simon Bridges.
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March 19, 2022 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren bro – $55M goes a long way. Few days back I warned that attack pieces on Luxon will be coming thick and fast and as always I am right. Here is another prediction that will irk our fellow battlers. Cindy will win 2023 election and form a Labour-Green gummit that will tax the hell out of Kiwis in the name of climate change measures.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:19am
  - alloytoo
    
    Hey, I thought you were supposed to do parody.
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:24pm
    - pdm
      
      A/too – he has changed to parrotee!!!!
      
      Parrotee means he/she parrots what the Prime Minister
      says.
      
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      March 19, 2022 1:50pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    It won’t work.
    
    The hubris of this government is eroding the patience of the centre voter.
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:32pm
  - iMP
    
    Here’s a counter prediction. Labour will get thrashed and the landslide will make Bolger’s 1990 look like cream sliding off a pav.
    
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    March 19, 2022 2:07pm
    - Mike
      
      But will a new Christian/conservative party emerge?
      
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      March 19, 2022 2:43pm
    - Jim
      
      Please god. If not the certain deeper economic depression in another Labour term will only have one positive effect, boosting the international tourists exchange rate as the NZD slides ever weaker ( but they’ll need it as coffee will be $8+)
      
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      March 19, 2022 4:41pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I don’t quite follow your analogy — no matter — but it would appear you don’t know the difference between FPP and Proportional Representation (PR) — MMP is a PR variant.
      
      In 1990, National won 69% of the 97 seats on offer (67), on 48% of the total of valid votes cast. Labour won 30% of the seats (29) on 35% of the votes. (That, in a nutshell, is one reason why FPP had to go.)
      
      In 2020, there were 2,886,420 valid Party votes cast, of which 2,661,238 were cast for the five successful parties. The remaining 225,182 votes were ineffective.
      
      Labour received 1,443,545 valid Party votes (54.24% of the effective votes) and was allocated 65 seats (54.16%). National received 738,275 valid Party votes (27.74%) and was allocated 33 seats (27.50%).
      
      So, as you can see, if your prediction that “Labour will get thrashed” at the next election proves to be correct, there will be no landslide of 1990 proportions. That is not how PR/MMP works. National will not receive a 21% bonus in seats, for example, as it did in 1990; it will receive its proper, proportional allocation, as will the other successful parties.
      
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      March 19, 2022 6:16pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    SCS: ” Cindy will win 2023 election and form a Labour-Green gummit that will tax the hell out of Kiwis in the name of climate change measures.”
    
    If that happens (highly unlikely IMHO), then NZ is truly full of thickos and deserves the awful consequences that will befall the country.
    
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    March 19, 2022 3:35pm
  - coge
    
    Luxon has a two front battle on his hands. The media of course, they’re just warming up. While half of the National base have rejected Luxon as leader. He’s squandered Covid cowering behind Jacinda’s skirts. Appalling displays of bad ongoing political judgement. He doesn’t take a position on anything, putting a buck each way. National doesn’t unsteady leadership going into 2023.
    
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    March 19, 2022 5:21pm
  - Bullion
    
    That $55m gets you fluff pieces on vff
    
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    March 19, 2022 6:46pm
  - fredonas
    
    I think the majority of NZ voters are way ahead of the ideologically driven policies (both current and future) of this socialist government and will reject them with extreme prejudice at the polls in 2023. Rejuvenated Nats and ACT coalition will prevail in my opinion.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:27pm
    - Hebe123
      
      You’re dreaming. I know heaps of people who still believe Cindy has done a marvellous job.
      
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      March 20, 2022 8:16am
- RockyJ
  
  Yeah. It’s funny how we nothing about dysfunction within the Labour caucus. It must be there, they are a toxic bunch as individuals.
  Although as being an MP is the highest paid job any of them are ever going to hold I guess the heat is on to bend the knee and take it.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:41am
  - Grizz
    
    When you lose a third of your support there will be many MPs in Labour that will be hurting. It cannot be hard to not notice things heating up within caucus. It is obvious to outsiders some of the labour ideology is toxic to voters and no doubt to list MPs trying to keep their snouts in the trough.
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:38pm
    - I remember when
      
      I thought Stuart Nash and the party with Jacinda at Queenstown looked a little distant.
      
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      March 19, 2022 1:54pm
- BAM
  
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  Pretty typical of Bridges, all about him.
  He was voted in by the Tauranga electorate in 2020 and unless he’s got a really good reason he should honour his commitment to the people of Tauranga for the duration of the parliamentary term
  
  Throwing in the towel because he hasn’t got what he wanted shows a complete lack of character and spine and don’t give me the weaselly bullshit about “wanting to spend more time with the kids”.
  
  He is no loss to NZ politics and the National party.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:03pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Troll.
    
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    March 19, 2022 12:46pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    BAM, you are aware the gnats are not the government?
    
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    March 19, 2022 3:41pm
  - farbeyond
    
    Who cares about Bridges, really? Focus on the important! Hint for you: it isn’t covid.
    
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    March 19, 2022 7:13pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Jacinda only gets negative press because of misogyny
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:15pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Jacinda only gets negative press because of misogyny”
    
    I assume you are joking??? Hope so!
    
    But on a serious note, I can guarantee that will be her next stunt when she gets the boot.
    
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    March 19, 2022 3:42pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That or comments about her teeth.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:02pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  What I like about the Luxon inner circle comments is the number of contacts to media, all bought and paid for of course.
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:13pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    BM any evidence?
    
    Plenty of evidence that Labortion has literally nobbled the media in a devious and undemocratic way with tax payer funds!!
    
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    March 19, 2022 3:44pm
- Muttonbird
  
  That’s just journalists doing their job, mate. If Luxon wants to be PM he’s going to have to do a lot better than he’s doing now.
  
  That stunt on the side of the road with the tobacco lobbyist was crazy.
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:37pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Agree 100%. Turning up in Queenstown with her crocodile smiles and false championing of tourism and the regions. I’d bet a dollar to a dime that most of the locals would wish she’d jump in Lake Wakatipu. If ever the disconnect between Jacinda’s planet spin and the real world was laid bare it was this week. She makes me ill to the pit of my gut.
  
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  March 19, 2022 7:11pm
Tanstaafl

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The Ministry of Health says the Pfizer jab is safe and effective. The Ministry of Health says fluoridation is safe and effective. How come you guys believe the Ministry on fluoridation and disbelieve the Ministry on the jab? Make up your mind. Do you trust the Ministry of Health or not? Do you trust “The Science”?

You will find “The Science” on youtube and twitter (sanitized for your protection). The truth is a bit harder to find. For those of you who have found the truth on the Pfizer jab, I suggest you look for the truth on fluoride exposure. A good place to start is:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5915186/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31424532
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March 19, 2022 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  Fluoridation began in 1954. Treatment with experimental genetic therapies began in 2021. This might have something to do with it.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:49am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Blanket belief or disbelief in the MoH would be the height of unscientific behaviour, so accusing sceptics of not doing one or the other is not any argument at all for the vaccines. How does the MoH declaring fluoridation to be safe and effective lend any weight at all to their pronouncements about vaccine efficacy and safety? It doesn’t.
  
  Vaccine sceptics aren’t making an a priori case against mRNA vaccination, deciding against them and then seeking to justify their position after the fact (in fact, this is what the authorities are doing, except their starting-point is “safe and effective” followed by attempts to justify that statement). Our sceptical judgments are reached a posteriori through the accumulated empirical evidence that clearly tells us that they offer little if any protection against Covid, and that the high incidence of vaccine injuries indicate they are not as safe as we are told either.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:16am
DRHILL

So I was watching yotube and an ad popped up. Jacinda saying the government is reducing fuels costs and to visit labour.org.nz for more information.
Now, it’s the government reducing the fuel, shouldn’t this be a government advert and not a Labour party one? I thought this would be considered electioneering?
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March 19, 2022 8:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Oh, that’s what the Youtube video of Ardern was about? As soon as I saw her face I turned the channel over. No interest in anything she has to say.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:14am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    where is your gratitude towards Cindy for saving your life Duncan Mcleod of the Mcleod clan? Don’t you want to live forever?
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:20am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Actually, under an Ardern regime, no, I don’t want to live forever. 🙂
      
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      March 19, 2022 1:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If you don’t watch the media, you are uninformed.
    If you do watch the media you are misinformed
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:34pm
    - iMP
      
      That’s quite in form in a formal kind of way.
      
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      March 19, 2022 2:11pm
  - Bob
    
    No interest in anything she has to say…..
    you should be interested Clan Mcl, as it is your hard earned income as TAXES that ARDERN AND LABOUR are using for election campaigning right now!
    
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    March 19, 2022 2:51pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep I usually reach for the off switch when I hear or see her. She may well be a nice person as an individual (I have no idea) but in her current format she is unbearable to me.
    
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    March 19, 2022 3:49pm
- Dougal10
  
  You are allowed to lie on the interweb aren’t you ///
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:27am
- mogg
  
  Expect to be taking a suitcase full of cash when going to the supermarket for a loaf of bread or milk.
  We can already see Ardern attempting to distance herself, ‘blame it on the war inUkraine’
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:16pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    You will never have to take a suitcase full of money to the supermarket the banks and the government want to do away with cash…
    
    Then it will ne swipe a card with a number with some extra zeros on the right side of the total to pay.
    The peasants wont really notice…..the government think
    
    While continuing to blame Russia for the high costs of everything….forgetting their highly inflationary printing money. ie more money chasing fewer goods…bingo …inflation
    
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    March 19, 2022 6:31pm
- Matt Long
  
  Labour’s position is that the taxpayer should pay for their electioneering, and they have never faced penalties even when their spending was found illegal.
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Retrospective Legislation – remember that?
    Just change the rules, stuff the peasants
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:36pm
artemisia

About “Stamp it Out” and “Zero Covid”. How’s that working for South Korea.

The country didn’t quite get to zero. Infections and deaths rose slowly last year. But it came close enough that the usual highly credentialed public health experts held it up as a light among the nations.

Until reality called. New Zealand gets a mention too, and not in a good way if we believe our official narrative.

Alex Berenson is the author of Pandemia: How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government, Rights, and Lives. 91% of the 2400 ratings – 5 star.

alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-light-at-the-end-of-the-mrna/comments?s=r
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March 19, 2022 8:06am
Weetbix3ways

NASA’s new SLS rocket rolled out to the pad for the first time yesterday.
It is not expected to launch until June, though later is likely given the delays at every step of it’s progress to date. It us already 6 years behind schedule.
And it is estimated that it will cost US$4 BILLION per launch!
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March 19, 2022 8:08am
- DeepBlue
  
  No wonder RocketLab has found a niche role.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:09am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  But it has delivered a vast amount of pork to several key constituencies, which is really the whole point of the senate launch system. Any tangible result is beside the point of the exercise.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:54am
Benedict Yu

Looks like vaccine passes and mandates are coming to an end soon. Can’t come soon enough.
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March 19, 2022 8:10am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Now repeal the legislation that will allow Chris Bishop to do this for the next flu and I am happy.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:12am
  - MCōs
    
    NZ has never had vaccine mandates for the flu that I’m aware of.
    Furthermore
    The next flu season will be upon us shortly, particularly with more people arriving from elsewhere. There won’t be any vaccine mandates for the flu jab, never is.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:14am
    - marcw
      
      Some DHB’s required front line staff with patient contact to be vaccinated. They were moved to other non-contact roles if they were not willing or unable to be given the vaccines. I can’t recall if any staff were sacked or stood down with these rules.
      
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      March 19, 2022 12:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nothing wrong with taking a vaccine that is trusted, unlike the experimental covid medication
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:00pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “There won’t be any vaccine mandates for the flu jab, never is.”
      
      Which according to various expert whistleblowers, is how Covid should have been handled according to the pandemic response handbook.
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:54pm
- pdm
  
  `Looks like vaccine passes and mandates are coming to an end soon. Can’t come soon enough.’
  
  Yesterday would be best – plus masks as well.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I visit the New Brighton Hot pools regularly. They are excellent. You need to wear a mask walking through reception but you can then take it off. There is a sign asking folk to wear masks in the changing rooms. Yesterday I was in the changing room with about 10 people. Not one wearing a mask.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:30am
    - RichardF
      
      Ridiculous, isnt it. You can sit next to someone in a hot pool maskless but must wear one when you’re geting changed? It’s a pantomime. I popped into a tyre shop yesterday to get a puncture repaired. Walked in with my mask on and 3 guys in overalls turnaround, maskless, and one says “how can we help”? I said, “if you’re not wearing yours, I’ll take this bloody thing off too” and we had a laugh. At our son’s summer football 95% of parents wear masks, despite being outside on a huge field. I’m definitely not wearing one in that environment, so I stand alone, far away from anyone so I don’t upset them, breathing freely with the sun on my face. It’s lovely, saves from making small talk, too.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:41am
      - Harriet
        
        If you get some questionable comments it will be because they have confused you with RichardX — someone who comments here and appears to not have kids — but takes issue with those that stand up for kids. I’ve been targeted by him in the past. He appears to be from ‘that side of things’.
        
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        March 19, 2022 11:30am
      - Debsta
        
        just don’t voluntarily don a mask…ever. I havent since December, and have only been asked to a handful of times. People just need to stop complying and living in fear, that is when this will end.
        
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        March 19, 2022 5:21pm
      - RichardX
        
        Quite the persecution complex there Harriet.
        
        Please provide one example where I took “issue with those that stand up for kids”.
        
        I have taken issue with flawed reasoning and unless you can provide an example where I have “targeted” you because you stand up for kids, you have just demonstrated, once again, to have flawed reasoning.
        
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        March 19, 2022 5:33pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      So Ben, the rest of the country is catching up to where Auckland was 6 months ago.
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:54am
    - Jimbob
      
      Went to a supermarket the other day, won’t name it or the town in case there is backlash, an elderly couple walked straight in without scanning or wearing a mask. Nothing said or done. It’s over, back to normal.
      Builders and plumbers, as well as electricians, don’t wear masks. At least the ones I deal with.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:19am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      BY beware of psychopathic doxxers of the left. Too much information.
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:56pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    Cockwomble Bishop wants to keep mask wearing indoors. Don’t think so.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:59am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Bishop is becoming quite a liability for National. He’s all over the place. I think a change in that position would be worth a few percentage points for National.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:18am
      - KKKKatee
        
        He certainly is. My daughter suggests he goes as hard on obesity as he does on Covid. He’s looking rather unhealthy these days.
        
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        March 19, 2022 2:52pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Does he? National suggested that vaccine passes remain for a short period for large indoor events, but I didn’t see any mention of masks.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:18am
      - oldfella
        
        unless they drop the red light setting, there won’t be any large indoor events, with or without masks.
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:00pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        They stated clearly that they want to remove mandates for under 18 year olds and they didn’t mention a time frame for vax passes for large events that I’m aware of?
        All in all, a very, very weak response and I doubt it will be hugely different to what Ardern announces next week. In fact, I won’t be surprised if Ardern goes further than Bishop advocated in the removal of restrictions.
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:55pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Yes. He is calling on the Gvt to drop everything but to leave face masks for indoor settings. My staff don’t want t to wear a face mask ad infinitum. I tell them now to remove it but they’re so conditioned now to wear one. I’m the only one who doesn’t wear one. https://www.facebook.com/100044288683620/posts/521664089319876/?d=n
        
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        March 19, 2022 2:49pm
  - Dougal10
    
    Mandates and passes may be ending but the PM and MOH want to keep the traffic light system , the mask wearing and crowd numbers are part of this. They are only dumping the things they are getting legally challenged on .
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      People just need to stop wearing masks and stop entering any premises that ask for passes or demand masks. Don’t support them. Do that and this is over in a matter of a few weeks. Don’t comply with irrational, nonsensical policies.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:20am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Would have been better about a week ago so the partner didn’t have to have the booster to keep the job. ?
    
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    March 19, 2022 10:17am
  - Geoff1
    
    Just repeal the Covid Response legislation and entrench the Bill of Rights
    
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    March 19, 2022 4:28pm
- Hebe123
  
  Link?
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:16am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Benedict
  
  It’s not enough that it just end. The entire response to covid should be reported upon and trashed as the greatest failure of policy since WW1. We have our politicians slapping each other’s back saying how great they did. We are set up for a repeat. We would be so much better off if back in March 2020 we did precisely nothing.
  
  I am not expecting that to happen. Our overlords in Parliament will never admit their error and so history will repeat.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Correct Rodney. The covid legislation needs trashed immediately and nothing like it ever permitted again. An extensive inquiry needs to be held and measures enshrined making sure such powers can’t be abused again as they have by this government.
    There should be apologies at the very least to anyone mandated out of their job.
    It has been a horrific 2 years. Horrific abuses by this group of amateurs.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:34am
    - kowtow
      
      The moral panic is amazing .
      
      Think back not too long ago to the Media Pardy and legal reaction to the so called Wanaka runaway couple , they were the evilest thing since a carbon emmision.
      
      Flash forward to a high profile rugby team members not wearing masks on a ‘plane and a Green MP travelling when she shouldn’t and while it was reported by the same Media pardy who crucified and villified the so called runaways , these latter two cases of law breaking , well just ho hum.
      
      Not to mention if you’re the friend of a regime selected “influencer” scientist , you get to go to the beach with her and go swimming and the Chief Doom Sayer even declares that to not be swimming !
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:44am
    - Weetbix3ways
      
      No government initiated inquiry will be worth the paper it is written on.
      Only an external inquiry without any link to government has a chance to show these clowns up for what they have done (and continue to do).
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:45am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        A Royal Commission would be fine if it has the right terms of reference. Once started it cannot be turned off or interfered with.
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:47pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Apologies are insufficient for what many people have been put through. Lack of a vaccine pass is the only ill effect I had to endure but being sacked from your job because you didn’t want to be forced to undertake an experimental medical procedure is criminal.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have long advocated for a Royal Commission. However the country is so brainwashed it would be a challenge to find Commissioners who could do the job.
    
    National has tried to differentiate itself from the government but it has been farcical. We have had Chris Bishop saying “You are not vaccinating fast enough. Get boosted.” And now Luxon is saying “End restrictions sooner.” It is incoherent.
    
    National went along with Jacinda’s “Use the vaccines to stamp COVID out like measles”. Probably the most stupid thing she has ever said.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:38am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I haven’t had time to think about it seriously yet, but how is it possible that 120 representatives in Parliament have apparently suffered from group think over the last 2 years? Many “amateurs” were seeing problems with the narrative and trying to raise concerns, they were smeared and vilified and ridiculed, particularly by mainstream media. How is it possible that not a single MP represented these people?
      The chilling thing is that we now know all parties colluded in refusing to speak to protesters at Parliament. That is North Korean. That is not democracy. That is truly concerning.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:51am
      - Dougal10
        
        They possibly contributed funds to the WHO which sent money to the Whuan lab. That means they will all be worried about fall out.
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:04am
      - Rodney Hide
        
        Hi Clan
        
        I would like to think I had some insight but to me it is inexplicable. My working hypothesis is that their daily life became such that they were truly cocooned unlike the rest of us and were truly terrified the protesters would infect them. We never suffered that fear as we had to be out in the world to survive.
        
        Richard Prebble taught me to greet every protest no matter how threatening and to listen to everyone no matter how idiotic I thought their views. As he explained, they have a vote and you might learn something. At very least, you will learn what someone else is thinking. Preb is very wise.
        
        Rodney
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:10am
      - artemisia
        
        My view. Two years ago the mainly western world was confronted with something new to it, and with many unknowns. So initiated ‘don’t just stand there, do something’. That was the right thing at the time as there were so many unknowns. And decision makers had once-were-experts right in their faces.
        
        New Zealand was no different, and Opposition parties had little choice but to nail their colours to the same mast.
        
        Time passed, eventually accompanied by a passionate tsunami of information – experts, conspiracies, opinions, media, interpretations, good, bad, ugly, changing daily.
        
        Not really possible for minority parties in a tiny country at the bottom of the world to stand against the overwhelming local narrative. I don’t blame them, but at least some of our representatives should have walked and talked with the protesters, in Wellington and around the country
        
        I don’t understand why that didn’t happen.
        
        But now it is time for ‘don’t just stand there, undo something’.
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:24am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I’ll never forget Prebs taking an egg from a protestor. He simply wiped his face, maintained a calm demeanor, and kept speaking with the journalist. Huge kudos.
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:26am
      - chukar
        
        CM,
        This is a direct result of MMP spawning career politicians focused on keeping their jobs, no matter whether list, electorate or other.
        The bureaucratic world of Wellington means they have a well paid job elected or on the list,plus the extra option of working for the parties as consultants.
        The result is an amalgam of politicians creating one party Government.
        Voters have little influence. Democracy has been crowded out.
        Classic example is in Tauranga,they can no longer even elect their local council.This by government decree!
        And politicians refused to meet protesters.
        New Zealand can only elect half its politicians!
        The rest are appointed.
        By whom?
        
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        March 19, 2022 10:16am
      - Harriet
        
        A free press and a free and civil society does not require the ARSE END OF JOURNALISM!
        
        Remind journalists that every time one of them presents themselves in public. Call for 1 journalist to be immediately removed. Point made.
        
        And when you read the likes of Bob Jones, Brash, Hide, Garret and others you realize you are reasonably informed at the very least.
        
        In other words again a free press in a civil and educated society does not require journalists.
        
        Society simply requires openness. End of adults. 😎
        
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        March 19, 2022 10:30am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        What is the best, most tangible way to get 120 people to be on the same page and then remain there for 2 years, despite the improbability of all 120 actually holding the same stance? Most of us probably operate in such an environment most days of the week.
        
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        March 19, 2022 11:29am
      - mawm
        
        artemisia – yes the world was confronted with something different and with lots of unknowns, but one does not simply ditch carefully thought out and frequently updated plans on how to manage such pandemics – and then later claim most of the mismanagement with the new plans was because we were learning as we went along. Anyone with some basic knowledge of epidemiology, virology, immunology, vaccinology and of the principles and practice of medicine should have seen through this “new plan” from day one. The National Party surely has competent medical advisors they can get reasoned opinion from and not have to rely on media hysteria or politicised medical advice out of the USA.
        
        It is time to do something – and that is to expose the fraud and the lies, listen to those who have been harmed and promise to help. This is more than rebuilding a destroyed economy and will have to include rebuilding trust in the government and the medical profession, helping the vaccine injured, supporting families that lost loved ones, jobs and businesses, opening up our society again and breaking down those divisions between our people that Jacinda so carefully constructed.
        
        Unfortunately Luxon seems to be on his back foot when he should be on his front one.
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:06pm
      - mogg
        
        Remember that all news is filtered through a Left leaning Media, every one of them cheerleaders for Ardern and her lockdown mania. I don’t remember anybody in MSM disagreeing or even questioning her on ‘stamp it out’.
        Let’s say she had stamped it out, and we were Covid free, what would be her next step now?? The rest of the World could see this but nobody in NZ Media even asked the question.
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:36pm
    - TP4Shore
      
      And under what administration did a measles outbreak appear last year? Do we mention the 320,000 MMR vaccinations that have gone to waste?
      
      Is 2022 the year Measles comes roaring back?
      
      Others might stamp it out, but like the classics, Jacinda keeps on bringing ‘em back for an encore performance.
      
      Worst PM and government in history.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:52am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Interesting if you get and recover from the measles they do not recommend a vaccination.
      
      Covid they do.
      
      The measles vaccine actually works.
      
      The covid vaccine blatantly does not, so why the ongoing requirements for additional shots given the first ones did not work.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:59am
      - alloytoo
        
        Vaccine is designed for “Alpha” strain, it’s patently obsolete.
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:36pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Probably the most stupid thing she has ever said.
      There’s a lot to choose from Benedict.
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:03am
      - oldfella
        
        the world’s smallest book: ‘The Collected Wisdom of Jacinda Ardern’.
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:06pm
      - Nickc2
        
        oldfella @ 12:06PM
        So she’s outsold the Italian Book of War Heroes?
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        oldfella.
        The pages in that book are blank – it is a notebook for you and us to record her failings. There are many
        
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        March 19, 2022 3:18pm
    - covfefe
      
      Read this:
      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/kevin-roche-when-do-we-get-our-apologies.php
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:24am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Listen, Nats have been calling for an end to vax passes snd mandates since December 1, remember freedom day, another thing, the frame work was not voted on, it was a straight out cabinet decision
      
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      March 19, 2022 10:07am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        National’s messaging is totally disjointed. Just this week the headline was National want to drop vax passes and mandates. When you dig into the actual words they said they want mandates gone for under 18s and vax passes gone for everything but “large” events. Whatever that means.
        
        “He spoke to media this morning with his Covid-19 response spokesman Chris Bishop after issuing a call for the Government to immediately scrap vaccine passes for all but large, indoor events.”
        
        “In a statement this morning, Luxon also called for all scanning requirements to be dropped immediately and to get rid of vaccine mandates for all young people aged under 18.”
        
        So no, according to their own words they are being very selective in what they are calling for an end to. Either that or their comms people are doing a horrendous job.
        
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        March 19, 2022 11:33am
      - kowtow
        
        CMcL
        
        ‘they want mandates gone for under 18s and vax passes gone for everything but “large” events.’
        
        yep that’s what I heard Luxy say on newstalk zb , and I woz less than impressed .
        
        It goes back to the old ,”The nats are labour but just not as much”
        
        left me feeling very cold towards .
        
        In any event my vote goes to Act as being the least worst option on the ballot .
        
        Sad and difficult times.
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:08pm
      - Paulus
        
        There is no such thing as a Labour Cabinet Decision – once Ardern has told them, then it is a Cabinet Decision.
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:48pm
      - Jim
        
        What’s the science behind the 18 y/o thing?
        
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        March 19, 2022 8:36pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      At least Christopher is using the words Aotearoa New Zealand. He’s good like that.
      
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      March 19, 2022 1:19pm
      - leoj
        
        Luxon: Wet, woke and weak.
        Two ticks ACT as Luxon is a huge disappointment.
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:46pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      BY the only way out of the endless downward spiral is for a common sense party of national unity to cut the heads off the tax payer funded loony left propaganda platforms.
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:58pm
  - Lee C
    
    …. unless…. Just spit-balling here.
    An alterantive Political Party (existing or otherwise) were to spring up and attract votes from the sizeable number of people in theis country who are being denied a voice…
    
    Or an existing political movement were utilise the smarts knowledge and experience of someone with a credible track-record to strategically disrupt the two-party stranglehold on our Rights and our rights to representation.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:48am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      I honestly thought that was Winston first, I was dead wrong.
      
      I honestly thought it could be David Seymour, even though he was a bit of a lightweight, I now think I am wrong again.
      
      Winston leap frogged right over him into camp freedom.
      
      Not a big fan of Winston, but he only needs 5% to get back in, 5% of the population still think elvis is alive.
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:06am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What the hell did Peters do at Wellington?, he walked with the crowd for 15 minutes, got a escort to the pub, he is not in parliament, he can say and do what he bloody likes but does not have to do a bloody thing, look at the swine when saying he would get rid of maori seats, first thing he ditched, then first down the mine, never happened, and never spoke of it again, he is not called the great charlatan for no reason , please FFS, remember what the crocked old prick has foisted on us with his arrogance
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:35pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Winston did very little but the symbolism of what he did was large. The memes of Luxon glowering out his window are powerful symbols too, they tell us if we have a legitimate grievance with Government National won’t even give us a hearing. If they won’t do it in opposition when they can promise the earth what do you think they’ll be like in government?
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:32pm
    - birdhaven
      
      The new party maybe Matt King’s DemocracyNZ.
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:29am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I wish Matt King well, but it is notoriously hard to set up a new party and get traction.
        
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        March 19, 2022 10:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Do you realise he is trying to get all those crack pot parties to join to one?
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:36pm
      - Harriet
        
        “……I wish Matt King well, but it is notoriously hard to set up a new party and get traction.
        
        ….Do you realise he is trying to get all those crack pot parties to join to one?….”
        
        Both are good things — Matt gets a sizable party around 5% who then for the most part go on to support National, who then go on to support ACT.
        
        Cindy, Trudeau and Dan are all finished, China, Russia and other socialist/communist/autocratic agitators are all on notice. Largely at gun point!
        
        Tony, the future is a reverse buy out buy ACT if National really care about the future of the country.
        Continuing to go in the direction National has been going is a fools errand. Just ask Bill English.
        
        Or National are also finished as they will be absolutely ruined if ACT or some other party needs to build/rebuild the country alone. 😎
        
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        March 19, 2022 4:46pm
    - mogg
      
      What we need is a GB News, ie NZ News
      
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      March 19, 2022 12:39pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    I am an unvaccinated covid survivor.
    
    Have not passed the covid onto anybody as far as I can see.
    
    Caught it from my vaccinated wife, who got it from her vaccinated and boosted staff, who got it from a vaccinated customer.
    
    We had to close the business and self isolate for 10 days, everybody had light to mild flu symptoms for 3 to 5 days.
    
    I had the lightest and fastest recovery of everyone.
    
    This is definitely a pandemic of the vaccinated.
    
    There should be a wide ranging royal commission into the most damaging economic and social crisis in our countries history.
    
    Worse we did it to ourselves.
    
    This must never ever be allowed to happen again.
    
    When people quote death rates, of people WITH covid, around the world, ask why if it was so bad have average mortality rates not moved significantly, especially in relation to the economic and social costs.
    
    The country’s that have fared the worst are controlled by socialists, they grabbed power and are trying to consolidate it.
    
    What we have here is the most woke, weak, ineffective opposition ever,
    
    We could wake up one day soon in a one party communist state.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I totally ‘refude’ that.
      JA
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:24pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      Same here. Jabbed husband passed Omicron into me. But in his latest FB rant, Chris Bishop is saying unjabbed people are x27 times more likely to end up in hospital. I call bullshit on that.
      
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      March 19, 2022 7:39pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Probably correct, we likely avoided about 10000 deaths (2000 per million typical Covid deaths for western countries), with median age of ~80, maybe up to 100000 QALYs (quality of life years) saved (though likely a lot less), for something like several $million per QALY given enormous cost to NZ of elimination strategy. For comparison Pharmac will only fund drugs at about 40-200k per QALY – pointing to the woeful economic choice made by Labour.
    
    Far worse (internationally) was the banning and FUD campaigns and simple non-promotion of cheap drugs and mitigations that would have reduced deaths – Ivermectin, Vit D, losing weight etc.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:58am
    - Don Beckett
      
      To suggest we likely avoided 10,000 deaths from Covid is utter garbage, and peddling the Stalinda line. With our geographical isolation, very low population density and remoteness from the rest of the world, I would suggest we may have saved 1,000 lives.
      In the 2008-9 Mers (I think) epidemic, we kept things normal & simple. 800,000 caught the ‘flu, and we suffered about 35 deaths. We have had other epidemics in the past with nothing like what you state.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:16am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        It’s a myth that we are spread out in NZ, we are highly urbanised, 87%, higher than about 2/3rds of other western countries, including most of Europe. About the same as Sweden and Denmark, but far higher than Ireland at 64% for example. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locations=OE&most_recent_value_desc=false
        
        Sicily has 5 million people on an island, a similarly spread out population with a couple of big cities. They had nearly 10000 deaths from covid. Check out worldometers site and tell me why we would have been a special case compared to the other western countries that even with all their lockdowns and mitigation measures span the range 1000-3000 deaths per million, when we have 2nd highest obesity levels in the western world (not far behind USA which has less urbanisation, but fatter people). https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:14pm
  - surfing
    
    First lockdown was arguably justified. Even then, they stuffed that up to some extent (David Clark scandal too).
    
    The subsequent mismanagement of MIQ / borders, and criminally slow vaccine rollout directly resulted in the subsequent lockdowns .
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:01am
    - kowtow
      
      Never was , see Sweden .
      
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      March 19, 2022 12:02pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Sweden has about 16% obesity, NZ 32%, Maori ~50%, Pacific islanders ~70%. Our death rates would have probably been a lot higher than theirs.
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:43pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Many lies over border testing , and MIQ and home iso checks, they failed right from the start
      
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      March 19, 2022 12:37pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Oh for civil servants that are servants of the people not –
    optics-first, polls second,re-election chances third and pragmatic self indulging narcisstic last.
    
    Leaders need to be followers first. Who is a leader worth following now?
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jaspinda was a follower of Blair.
      Leader worth it? can not think of one atm
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:29pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I personally believe no national leader should be someone who has never served in frontline battle.
      
      Clowns who live in pacifist la la lands should never have the right to send young people to their deaths.
      
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      March 19, 2022 4:35pm
  - glowworm
    
    Well said Rodney.
    
    Many share your pessimism. Some very decent kiwis I know, many with Eastern European backgrounds (funnily enough…), have fled, or are in the process of fleeing.
    
    Some, like myself, are unable due to family circumstances. A large percentage though, seem still under the MSM/”experts” spell.
    
    Our politicians are clearly not leaders, they simply follow and react to the Polls. The Polls appear largely influenced by the media/”experts”. And the media/”experts” are clearly funded by the Politicians.
    
    This appears to have lead to a type of totalitarianistic control over the general population not seen before in Western countries.
    
    How do we stop/reduce this from happening again? Well, stopping the funding to MSM/”experts” is one way, if possible. But the better, more liberal way is to simply stop watching MSM and watch/read alternative sites (and use a VPN for god’s sake…) which is what I did several years ago.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:15am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      It has never been made more apparent that it is “us” versus “them.” I despise politicians, corporate media hacks, most bureaucrats and basically anyone who has sold their soul to get and stay inside of the cozy self-perpetuating milieu.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:36am
  - bjools
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/influenza-pandemic-plan-framework-action-2nd-edn-aug17.pdf
    Page 62….”Keep it out” This whole phase was missed.
    “No cases in NZ” but
    “The same identified virus has caused sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries in one WHO region.” ie China and Italy
    Shut the boarder then…”keep it out” prepare for getting NZers back into the country.
    PPE
    ICU expansion
    Response to outbreak training
    BUILD MIQ, genuinely ISOLATED from the population.
    These things would be called 20-20ind sight, except we had a plan finalized YEARS before.
    NOTE at this time, there is NO need to for restrictions or to shut down the economy.
    This govt. oversaw a TOTALLY incompetent REACTION (not response) to a danger that they did not recognize.
    The only dangers these clowns recognize is one to their own immediate power.
    
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    March 19, 2022 10:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour and the left will NEVER let a manufactured crisis go to waste.
    Without Covid, Jaspinda is history
    
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    March 19, 2022 3:06pm
- krazykiwi
  
  They only ever existed because the public and the courts allowed human rights to be abused. We need a new government with the balls to fix the statutes so this abuse can’t happen again. We need a new government to promote liberty and freedom from state oppression. In other words, we need a miracle because Luxon doen’t have a clue about this or worse, he supports the status quo.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:33am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I experienced something last week that shows how deranged people have become. You may recall about 10 days ago someone died at a camp on the Kapiti coast. Allegedly one of the parliament protesters and allegedly with COVID. I overheard two people discussing this incident. One of them said words to the effect of ‘good that is one fewer of them’ “.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s a comment that has been used by both sides over the last year. Words to the effect that “Darwinism will sort them out”. Words that must of us could never have contemplated NZers saying a couple of years ago. This nasty and spiteful division in society can be laid firmly at the feet of Ardern and her army of spin doctors. This division was deliberate policy to ensure she” won” the narrative battle. It is gross malfeasance.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:56am
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree. A few years ago, I could never have contemplated my country of birth being so divided along Racial Lines as it is now.
        This outcome, I lay fairly and squarely at the feet of this Labour Govt, its friends and influencers in Academia, its Maori Caucus and its bought and paid for MSM.
        Thanks Winston – NOT!
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:19am
      - Clownworld
        
        When you dehumanise anyone, anything can happen and history shows it does.
        
        Remember the closed court, the cry to never name the alleged criminal in March a few years back?
        
        Remember the name calling of Trump, now Biden, quickly becoming Putin then will be Zelensky…
        
        We are each capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. The Darwin awards is understandable until we recognise but for the grace of God, there we go.
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:24am
      - MCōs
        
        This sort of thing has been going on for years.
        In 2014 Cameron Slater said in his Whaleoil blood [blog] that the world was better off without someone who was killed in a road accident.
        A lot of people agreed with him.
        I’m sure everyone remembers the occasion well.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/9673636/Bloggers-harsh-words-rile-grieving-parents
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:35pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        MCōs why only mention Slater? And you think Stuff can write a fair and balanced article?
        
        The left are up to their necks in exactly that sort of vileness.
        
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        March 19, 2022 4:17pm
    - Inandout
      
      BY, that attitude is not NZ wide I have found. On a recent trip to Hamilton I was amazed at the casual attitude to Jacinda’s covid rules. If my son and wife had not been employees they would have completely ignored the covid madness. At least my son was on full pay when he had the flu and had a week’s rest away from his job. His section has never looked tidier.
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:05am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Yes we have 2 factions.
      
      The vaccinated waiting for the unvaccinated to get sick and die.
      
      And the unvaccinated waiting for the vaccinated to die.
      
      Both will be disappointed.
      
      It is far easier to con someone than convince them that they have been conned.
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:14am
      - MCōs
        
        From my observation the vaccinated don’t pay much attention to the unvaccinated because they don’t know who they are; unless they make a fuss about it.
        Some get the bug and it seems to be a bit different for everyone, ranging from nothing much to quite debilitating for a week or so.
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:47pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Some get the bug and it seems to be a bit different for everyone, ranging from nothing much to quite debilitating for a week or so.”
        
        So, like the Flu then?
        
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        March 19, 2022 4:18pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That’s just talk, you don’t think the protesters would say the same?
      
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      March 19, 2022 10:09am
    - iMP
      
      Bene, are you talking about the 1981 Springbok Tour?
      
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      March 19, 2022 2:25pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    “,,,,,,we need a miracle because Luxon doen’t have a clue about this……”
    
    So where is the “miracle” that does have a clue? I’ll stick with seismic poll number shifts from the target voter group in the meantime, not shifts that simply moved numbers from one “right” group to another “right” group.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:28am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I suggest you’re missing the big picture in your rush to see the back of Ardern. I want her gone as much as the next person, but the pressing need for systemic change is ignored by Luxon meaning there will be another Ardern, and another, and another. I don’t want this for my children. I don’t want this for my grandchildren.
      
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      March 19, 2022 10:55am
      - Clownworld
        
        Reminds me of the domestic abuse cycle. It’s not ok that politcians continually do what they want or are told to do by the elites and U.N. and WEF and use and abuse NZ citizens.
        
        Time to break the cycle.
        
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        March 19, 2022 11:24am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Exactly. The problem with getting rid of Ardern and Labour, is that you get Luxon and National. “Least worse” is a pretty low bar. It’s the illusion of choice, and only a political “revolution” will get us on the right track. The good news is that the worse things get, the less people will have to lose, so the more likely they are to demand, and be the agents of, real change instead of window dressing.
        
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        March 19, 2022 11:43am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Give us just one example of Luxon being or mirroring Ardern, and don’t bother with the protesters crap, he has stated since December 1 mandates and passes should be gone, he was made leader the day before, he says 3 Waters will be gone, there will be no laws for a few, he says there will be no separatist agenda, he says money going to Māori must be targeted instead of giving that money to a few Māori elite, same with social money, it must be targeted not just handed out, what planet are people on yo say he is the same as the worst pm in history, I just do not get it.
        
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        March 19, 2022 11:47am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Clownworld (it certainly is lately): “Time to break the cycle.”
        
        That requires people to abandon the milquetoast status quo main parties and reach for stronger medicine.
        
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        March 19, 2022 4:21pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  I would like to think so but all we have had is an announcement of an announcement, we have had theses, making a point, do nothing announcements before.
  
  Jacinda will not willingly give back our freedoms.
  
  Public opinion is changing, ever so slowly less people are asking for vaccine passes.
  
  This nonsense will be over when the people say it is over through non compliance.
  
  The government and their experts are looking more stupid every day.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She has already ruled out dropping traffic lights
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:48am
    - Rich Prick
      
      We will do it for her.
      
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      March 19, 2022 12:50pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, i am now, and the pox is in our local, no one is even worrying about it, its so weak most are not even infectious of systematic, myself has just had a clear case, i had a funny voice for a couple of days last week, no runny nose, no chills or fever, gone and clear now and only had a faint line of Tuesday night, now clear, i will go to the pub this afternoon, and wont look back
        
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        March 19, 2022 3:20pm
- Nukuleka
  
  One of my major disappointments has been the manner in which the Catholic Church has so whole- heartedly embraced segregation by separating congregations according to vaccination status and, at my church, stationing guards at the entrance to enforce the rules. Dissidents like me have been publicly admonished by the priest to go home and not attend mass if the apartheid rules make me ‘grumpy’! The sooner the mandates, masks and passes go the better.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:45am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Completely agree Nuku. At least at my parish in Mt.Maunganui, our P.P has kept some sanity by establishing a separate room for those who are unvaxxed (he calls it ‘undocumented) to go to, and can still attend Mass.
    But our bishops are the problem – they caved to the government straight away, and pedalled the same bullshit – masks – vaccine – vaccine passes. It is shameful IMO. They seem to forget the separation of Church & State – the state has no juridiction over the Church. The Church merely needs to comply with the secular requirements – not religious. Yet they agreed to lock up churches & force separation of congregations.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:26am
    - Don Beckett
      
      They even required members of the clergy to be vaccinated, otherwise they would be stood down from their ministry. Shameful again.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      the state has no juridiction (sic) over the Church
      
      Well of course. Especially with regard to raping young boys?
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:19pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Pretty tasteless, Mike. You’re better than that.
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:08pm
- Rich Prick
  
  So the polls are doing Cindy no favours? She might give our freedoms back to great fanfare, but they weren’t hers to confiscate in the first place. Bitch.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:16am
  - krazykiwi
    
    If she gives them back they were never freedoms, more conditional dispensations of the state. That never ends well.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It wasn’t me, not me, not me.
      I gave you freedom from Covid – and that is working fine.
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:37pm
- Warren
  
  Covid rules won’t be scrapped totally as Government eyes easing restrictions.
  If anyone thinks and believes that Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister will roll over and concede to relaxing the mandates and rules on the unvaccinated think again as she changes her story to suit who’s interviewing her.
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/18/covid-rules-wont-be-scrapped-totally-as-govt-eyes-easing-restrictions/
  The Prime Minister won’t relinquish the power she holds on our Nation until she knows that the polls are backing her to be the Government and Prime Minister next Election
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:43am
  - Clownworld
    
    Am coming round to the hypothesis that NZ in the last 2 years was just a slightly different experiment to many countries.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:28am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Winter is coming. The season for covidiocy from loony left governments.
  
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  March 19, 2022 3:50pm
- Ra Henare
  
  My bet is next Monday there will be an announcement about an announcement.
  
  The standard Governmnet seeding the media seems to be in play with a number of commentators calling for the end.
  
  The excuse will be that Omicron has peaked.
  
  Forget that the whole Red system, vax passes and mandates will need to go to get tourists to visit. Oh and medical staff(unvaxed) back to work
  
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  March 19, 2022 6:35pm
- Hebe123
  
  A month away is not soon enough for those who have had their lives destroyed by them.
  
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  March 20, 2022 8:20am
Tauhei Notts

Somehow RAT tests make me think of ASB Bank, DB Breweries and NZI Insurance.
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March 19, 2022 8:14am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Nah, makes me think of tests for Government MP’s.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:18am
  - Master Mariner
    
    And Journalists.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:57am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What ? Bwhahahaha
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:11am
- I remember when
  
  Tauhei Notts:
  RAT tests make me think of sinking ships.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:43am
iMP

Tim Shadbolt has a personal justification piece on Stuff ( it’s a pitch for continuance for 8 Oct). But I met TS more than 5 years ago and we had a long chat. I realised then he was failing and not competent to lead a Council. He must be far less so now…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/128099392/tim-shadbolt-i-cant-in-good-conscience-leave-things-like-this?
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March 19, 2022 8:16am
- oldfella
  
  iMP: if Invercargill’s leadership is failing so badly, why hasn’t Mahuta simply stepped in, disbanded the elected officials, and appointed some commissioners?
  Worked a treat in Tauranga where we got 4 of Mahuta’s chosen ones at only a $1M each.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/128098643/tauranga-commissioners-earn-11-million-in-a-year
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:37am
  - Swifty
    
    Not each oldfella. Total.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:34am
    - oldfella
      
      Thanks, Swifty. My mistake. 😉
      
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      March 19, 2022 4:33pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      $1m per year they have been extended 2 years.
      
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      March 19, 2022 6:36pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, and Dunedin is in a state of disjoint also, one councilor is trespassed from the buildings
    
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    March 19, 2022 12:39pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      One right-wing contrarian, who is incapable of working with others, does not a ‘disjointed’ council make.
      
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      March 19, 2022 3:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Councilors should always be left wing then Todd?
        One against the rabid left is a hard job
        
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        March 19, 2022 3:43pm
  - Paulus
    
    But the exisiting Tauranga Council unelected and Mahuta appointed Commissioners may not be re appointed in November.
    They are not Maori orientated enough in their decisions apparently, and influence is being brought bear, hence the delay in the new appointments.
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:56pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    […]: if Invercargill’s leadership is failing so badly, why hasn’t Mahuta simply stepped in, disbanded the elected officials, and appointed some commissioners?
    
    The council is not dysfunctional, oldfella. There is no case, yet, to disband it. (See sections 258 to 258M of the Local Government Act 2002, here: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/167.0/DLM170873.html, and in particular, section 258B, Minister may appoint Crown observer.)
    
    A member (which includes the mayor) can be ousted from office under Schedule 7, clause 2, of the Local Government Act 2002, here: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM175643.html, but it is very difficult to pull off. As I understand it, the council has chosen not to go down that road with respect to Mayor Tim.
    
    I would be astonished if he is re-elected in October.
    
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    March 19, 2022 4:27pm
- I remember when
  
  Look at the photo of yourself Tim.
  Does that look like someone who is going to be the answer.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:45am
- DeepBlue
  
  I think it was his last horah to try and put his perspective out there and clear his name before the pre election reporting limits kicking.
  
  Secondly he was clearly desparately trying to get one of the two people he endorses for mayor to stand… as he clearly sets out why at 75 he no longer has the strength to carry on.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It would be cruelty for the good folk of Invercargill to elect Mayor Tim for another term. Shadbolt doesn’t seem to realise it yet, but the best way for him to spend whatever years he has left will be out of the public gaze. His mental state is not going to get any better, and will decline further and faster.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Don’t do drugs kids.
  
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  March 19, 2022 3:05pm
blue collar

Reckon labour hv misread the room again . Red level should be gone by lunchtime . Everybody wants to go out n listen to a band n hv a dance amongst a crowd n socialise …
St Patrick’s was a joke , it’s cooling off , summers fading ,
Empty stadiums
Who wants to come here for a holiday n sit on a bar stool n look around with no atmosphere?
Great for national , they’re well ahead in my common man , blue collar worker , public opinion poll
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March 19, 2022 8:19am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Speedway’s on tonight, and we’ll have 400 people there, sitting in four fenced off areas at the four corners of the track. We’ve got room for 7000 at a crush, so there’s plenty of room for them to spread out. We’re the only speedway in the southern half of the North Island to have run since the country went red, so we had to close off competitor entries a week ago. It’s a glorious autumn day, where we could have a bumper crowd of people enjoying a night’s racing, but we’re grateful for what we CAN do in the meantime. It’s safe to say however that there’s not a lot of love for Jacinda in the speedway/motorsport communities, which have traditionally been the domain of working class people; people who twenty years ago would have been lifelong Labour voters.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:50am
  - DeepBlue
    
    What happens if the barriers fall and the gates are left unlocked? Could be your chance to make this the end of Red.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:19am
Cassandra

There’s a sob story on Stuff this morning about a 91 year old life-long Labour voter who claims he can’t afford meat or to heat his heavily subsidised State house. There’s no detail of his circumstances, just a plea for $100 a week extra. Or he’ll vote for another party. After a life of socialism he appears to be getting what he’s voted for – and now wants everyone else to give him another handout! Of course he might have had terrible luck or be a war hero but you’d think a journalist (fat chance) might have mentioned that if it was so. I wonder if his alternative party is the Maori one?
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March 19, 2022 8:24am
- Harriet
  
  “…. just a plea for $100 a week extra…..”
  
  Here comes fucken Winston — again!
  
  Fuck $1uff 😎
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:23am
- marcw
  
  $100 a week for food, yet he can’t afford meat? Pull the other one. The man needs a budget advisor, not a puff publicity piece by an obviously unquestioning ‘green’ “journalist”. No comments allowed of course.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But its a life time Labour voter that is whining
    
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    March 19, 2022 12:41pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yeah don’t ya just love the “no comments” from these wankers!
    
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    March 19, 2022 4:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s quite strange, the life time Lab-voters I have heard say they can’t vote labour with her, have said they will vote ACT or no one at all .
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:51am
- Ian Boag
  
  no detail of his circumstances
  
  I got the impression he is a superannuitant with no other income. At 90+ and in a State unit with weekly income of $350 I doubt that he does much riotous living.
  
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  March 20, 2022 10:00am
Lee C

Russell Brand suggests that many in the upper echelons of the USA Government invested heavily in armement manufacturing stocks (51 Members of Congress and their families).

Just before the Russian invasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsI0zshzFnI

Anyway – decide for yourself.
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March 19, 2022 8:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I wonder if Russell Brand could run for political office, like other comedians such as Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:38am
  - bjools
    
    and the clowns in our govt.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:09am
  - Lee C
    
    No I think he has too much ethical backbone for that, milky.
    
    What about you?
    
    You seem quite keen to get things done.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Zelensky didn’t “run” for political office. He’s was installed via a US orchestrated coup using neo nazis as their muscle. They murdered over 100 people to help that “comedian” get into power.
    
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    March 19, 2022 12:51pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Are you saying Trump did this?
      
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      March 19, 2022 1:00pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No, it was under Obama in 2014. Those nice “liberals”.
        
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        March 19, 2022 2:19pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Clan @ 2:19PM
        Sorry, I reported your post by mistake.
        However, your post now maked your previous post clearer.
        IMO. if the Ukrainian Nazis weren’t wearing black balaclavas, Obama wouldn’t have used them.
        
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        March 19, 2022 9:12pm
    - JJ56
      
      Elected in 2019 against Poroshenko getting 73% on the vote on the second round.
      
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      March 20, 2022 6:12pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I admire Brand for honestly exploring ideas outside the echo chamber of his peers. I doubt he would be a good leader though (just a hunch).
    
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    March 19, 2022 4:24pm
- Master Mariner
  
  I bet Nanci had her fingers in there.
  Really makes Madoff look like an amateur.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:59am
Matt Long

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waiu-dairy-the-organic-company-that-caused-a-right-stink-after-illegally-dumping-wastewater/JLUXLSUJW4DWMOZIPVGO2QUQJA/
Interesting case in the the District Council refused to continue processing waste water, the Organic Dairy Manufacturer attempted to remedy the situation so District Council would continue but failed. Then the Regional Council refused emergency consent to irrigate (“dump”) the wastewater to farmland leaving the company apparently forced to do so without consent.
No environmental harm was caused but total fines of nearly $80k because environmental harm may have been caused. Potential adverse effects is drawing a long bow and could cover an extraordinary large number of activities.
The company which received 4.9 million funding from Shane Jones PGF ceased processing milk in December.
I can’t tell from the story about what the capacity of management in the company is, but it’s appears the councils involved didn’t go out of their way to help find solutions.
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March 19, 2022 8:27am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Matt what intrigues me is the apparent high levels of e. coli in the factory’s waste water. Be interested to know where that came from.
  
  Behind this and many other such issues is how bureaucrats have written themselves rules that have no actual adverse impact and then force the elected councillors to impose them. In this case there was no actual problem but the company got fined for a “potential” problem. Like someone would have to drink a whole lot of the discharge for the “potential” problem to become a real problem. That was never going to happen but some grubby little rule maker went home happy that he had made a difference”.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:48am
  - Matt Long
    
    I would guess the waste included a fair amount of milk, whether as a byproduct of some production lines, or as part of cleaning procedure, or spoiled product, treated by some primary process.
    I would be surprised if the e coli levels were a hundredth of the level in Farm Dairy Effluent which the farm in question likely had consent to apply to land.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:59am
    - I remember when
      
      Fear Not.
      3 Waters is going to make such problems magically disappear.
      
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      March 19, 2022 10:51am
      - Matt Long
        
        Yup, no more dairy farms.
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:45pm
Matt Long

The Herald has a paywalled article about Luxon’s inner circle, we make fun of Ardern’s experience as a fish and chip wrapper but there doesn’t appear to be much real world experience around Luxon either.
Willis was a political operative at Fonterra when that company was at its hubristic worst, so I guess that is real world?
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March 19, 2022 8:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  No 3 is Chris ‘Enjoy Tobacco’ Bishop. Lobbying is real world experience, right?
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:37am
  - Matt Long
    
    I wonder, perhaps the real world isn’t, private enterprise, nursing, teaching, trades etc. but unionists, lobbyists, repeaters and academics.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:49am
    - Master Mariner
      
      You missed Regulators.
      But spot on.
      
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      March 19, 2022 10:00am
  - KKKKatee
    
    God help us. He’s a big slobberer. Carried away with his own importance.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:02am
  - Mike H S
    
    I have read it and was particularly disappointed with the Bishop resume. Too much government experience like so many of the Labour caucus.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:51am
- pdm
  
  I cannot go behind the Herald Payroll so letme guess:
  Willis, Bishop, Reti, Goldsmith plus
  Brownlee and Collins – because those two combined bring more Political nous and experience than the whole Labour lot multiplied by 10.
  
  Or is Luxon not inclined to include experienced people – I wait for Inv to give us the members in due course.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:46am
  - pdm
    
    paywall
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      google chrome/chrome store/herald premium/download/extensions
      Should solve your problem
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:41am
  - Matt Long
    
    Willis and Bishop, Goldsmith is the token conservative, Reti doesn’t get a mention, I don’t know just what Collins stands for or why she’s still in parliament.
    Its also talking about his advisers, Cameron Burrows, Gareth Hollins, Matt Burgess Hamish Rutherford, Jasmine Higginson, Simon Flanagan.
    There is also Key, and English in the background.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:00am
    - oldfella
      
      Matt, really surprised me to see Reti missing from that inner circle. He’s number #4 in the party and misses out, while Goldsmith at $5 gets a seat at the table. I wonder what gives?
      
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      March 19, 2022 10:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have never heard Willis come across as a leftie, yes, she may have voted for abortion and gay rights, but that does not make her a leftie, she has clearly been focused on housing , now on finance, she has called out waste, and constraints, once again can’t see it
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:56am
  - MCōs
    
    Pay up you bludger.
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:55pm
- nathie
  
  The Herald’s Thomas Coughlan lists the following (only copying 1 paragraph per person). Luxon seems to have a fairly good spread of skills, perspectives and competence with these people.
  
  John Key: “They speak regularly, including about politics, but Luxon insists it’s on a friendship basis, rather than Key acting as a “sounding board” for policy or strategy. Luxon also talks with other grandees of the former Government, including Bill English, Paula Bennett and Steven Joyce.”
  
  Nicola Willis: “Heading up the kitchen Cabinet is Luxon’s deputy, Nicola Willis, who has a long association with Parliament. Her mother, Shona Valentine, was a press gallery journalist (and colleague of Newstalk ZB political editor Barry Soper).”
  
  Chris Bishop: “Like Willis, Bishop is the child of a former member of the press gallery, John Bishop. Bishop was also a former staffer, working in the ministerial offices of Gerry Brownlee and Joyce, whose reputation for competence and fixing things Bishop (possibly unconsciously) emulates.”
  
  Paul Goldsmith: “After Bridges’ departure, Goldsmith is one of the few former ministers in caucus, and few high-ranking social conservatives. Luxon wants that voice in his shadow Cabinet to balance out the voices of liberals Willis and Bishop.”
  
  Cameron Burrows: “A former senior staffer under Bill English and John Key, Burrows stuck around after National lost the 2017 election and worked in a policy role when Simon Bridges became party leader in 2018. Burrows came highly recommended by former Key and English chief of staff Wayne Eagleson.
  An economist by training, Burrows has previously worked at Treasury, and in the British civil service.”
  
  Gareth Hollins: “Before joining National’s team in Parliament, Hollins worked in trade policy, then overseas in Britain and Turkey where he worked in consulting.”
  
  Matt Burgess: “National hired former New Zealand Initiative senior economist Matt Burgess to be the party’s economic adviser. Burgess had formerly worked as Bill English’s senior economic adviser while English was Finance Minister.”
  
  Hamish Rutherford: “After a long career in business and political journalism, Hamish Rutherford changed careers to join Luxon’s office as chief press secretary.”
  
  Jasmine Higginson: “One of Parliament’s best-known press secretaries, Higginson worked for a range of ministers in the previous Government including Te Ururoa Flavell, Hekia Parata and Amy Adams. She followed National into opposition, working for English and Bridges, before leaving Parliament.”
  
  Simon Flanagan: “Digital director Simon Flanagan was one of Luxon’s picks. He most recently worked at the Reserve Bank, but first caught Luxon’s eye for his work at the police. He was head of social media for police between 2016 and 2018, before he left for Kiwibank.
  Flanagan produced several popular viral videos at police, including the well-known 2016 Running Man Challenge and other recruitment videos.”
  
  Article ends: “The leader will announce a new digital media agency soon. It will take on a lot of the party’s ad work in the future, and National hopes it will become more of a 24/7 operation, regularly pumping out content.”
  
  Which is welcome news as it will take on the various Labour/Ardern propaganda units.
  
  2023? Bring it on!
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Hamish Rutherford is an outstanding hire as Chief Press Secretary. He is a respected business journalist, who in the past has at least tried to remain neutral, even if it’s upset his editors.
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:25am
  - Nickc2
    
    Dr. Reti is remaining outside the circle in order to treat any casualties.
    
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    March 19, 2022 12:06pm
  - MCōs
    
    John Key: “They speak regularly, including about politics, but Luxon insists it’s on a friendship basis, rather than Key acting as a “sounding board” for policy or strategy. Luxon also talks with other grandees of the former Government, including Bill English, Paula Bennett and Steven Joyce.”
    
    The current government also took some advice from former MPs. Helen Clark, Michael Cullen, even Jim Bolger was in the frame there for awhile.
    And didn’t they get ridiculed for it on this forum!
    If that list of ex Nat MPs is anything to go by it’ll be back to the future if there’s a National lead administration.
    I wonder if ACT has been talking to some of their old boys?
    
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    March 19, 2022 5:50pm
    - Nickc2
      
      If one doesn’t learn from one’s mistakes, one is bound to repeat them.
      Who cares who both Political Parties talk to, their ideologies won’t change. The way they go about implementing or acting out their ideologies may change though.
      
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      March 19, 2022 9:21pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  I get what you’re saying about “business-as-real-world-experience,” but it also a very myopic view. Dollars and cents are one thing, but not everything. Better than student politicians, though. It’s not necessarily a binary comparison, but I’d like a leader who knows about the world from personal experience, but who also is well versed in the wisdom of the ages through history, philosophy, classics and the like (i.e. a deep-thinking, wise and educated man), rather than some shallow, bland CEO type who focusses on the balance sheet while the culture goes down the toilet (John Key and Christopher Luxon spring to mind: competent, but hardly penetrating intellects). One of the better questions you can ask of a leader is “what books have you read in the last year?” It is imperative that a leader has a good grasp on how we got where we are, and the necessity of maintaining those elements within man and in society.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:58am
blue collar

It’s official . Recession here . Had to sell my 95 land cruiser as hv company ute n free fuel card … plus new mortgage ….. cruiser now a toy god dammit
That’s the canary
I ain’t no Maggie pie unfortunately. ?
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March 19, 2022 8:37am
RockyJ

Parents of school age children need to be aware. Attendance at a New Zealand public school should come with a mental health warning.
Your local school will be offering three streams of learning designed by social change activists in our government all of which could cause mental harm to children.
These are:
1. InsideOUT is an organisation working in schools to normalise LBTQIA.
2. The Climate change curriculum designed to scare the shit out of children with made up stories about future climate catastrophes.
3. The new history curriculum designed to engender white guilt among the pakeha kids and resentment among the Maori kids.
Mrs Rocky’s hairdresser for one is seriously worried about her daughter because of her anxiety about climate change. She is involved in her school’s climate activist group.
Our government is cannibalising our children in order to remake our society.
My advice to every parent is to talk with your school principal, go over the content of this material and take your child out if you think it is as I set out.
One day, someone in a University will do a study on the effect of these streams of learning on our children. Of course it won’t happen.
As Manic Street Preachers sang “If we tolerate this then our children will be next”
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March 19, 2022 8:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Royal Society of NZ has 2 resignations

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/03/18/eminent-professors-have-not-been-expelled-from-the-royal-society-for-their-defence-of-science-but-they-have-resigned/

I wonder if others will resign.
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March 19, 2022 8:55am
- Jack5
  
  Cooper and Nola are honourable people and reputable scientists.
  
  The Royal Society of New Zealand (still its legal name), which operates under a statute, needs an official review.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:09am
- cmm
  
  It has got to the point where membership of the Royal Society is no longer an ego-boost.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:31am
  - Mike H S
    
    I would imagine that the two professors who have resigned want to retain their integrity and view continued membership of the Royal Society of NZ as a black mark on their resume.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:55am
Jack5

The great nickel short …

Heavy selling of nickel continued on the London Metal Exchange yesterday, with the three-month contract falling by the new trading limit, 12 per cent, at the end of two tumultuous weeks of trading touched off by Xiang Guangda’s Tsingshan Group Holding Company struggling to meet margin calls on a short position that bet on the metal price falling.

Nickel rose 250 per cent to more than $US100,000 a tonne on the LME at the beginning of last week, and trading was halted, and resumed only on Wednesday of this week. The LME set the contracts’s last closing price before the suspension at $US48,078 a tonne, still nearly double its level from the previous week.

The LME installed a maximum trading range (price change) of 5 per cent on reopening trading on Wednesday of this week. It widened this to 8 per cent for Thursday, and then to 12 per cent yesterday, and effective from next Monday, 15 per cent.

Xiang was betting on the metal price falling, was trapped, but Tsingshan announced it had reached a deal with banks to finance the margin calls. With this, the LME this week lifted the suspension of nickel trading.

Nickel oped at $US36,915 a tonne at yesterday’s opening. Bloomberg says this brought LME’s nickel price “a little closer” to nickel futures contracts in Shanghai, which continued to trade.

London sales contracts are now being offered on tens of thousands of tonnes of the metal, suggesting further prices falls are coming. Yesterday’s London price suggests Xiang’s liability has falled from $US7 billion of $US8 billion to perhaps $US2 billion to $US 3 billion.

The turmoil in the nickel market, in addition to loss of supply from Russia, has caused turmoil to big producers, notably of batteries and stainless steel.
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March 19, 2022 9:02am
Jack5

Weekend reading …

Magpies, Australian magpies, tend to get a bad rap in New Zealand. They’re not indigenous, you know, and they chase away other birds and dive-bomb posties on bikes and dog walkers.

The New York Times is praising the magpies as one of the cleverest birds on Earth.

It cites an Australian experiment in which tracking devices were attached by harnesses to magpies.The scientists spent six months developing the harnesses. They thought the would be near-impossible to remove.

The first tracker was off within 30 minutes. The newspaper’s description.

In a remarkable act of cooperation, the magpie wearing the tracker remained still while the other magpie worked at the harness with its beak. Within 20 minutes, the helping magpie had found the only weak point — a single clasp, barely a millimeter long — and snipped it with its beak. Dr. Potvin and her team later saw different magpies removing harnesses from two other birds outfitted with them.
The scientists took six months to reach this point. Within three days, the magpies had removed all five devices.

Dominique Potvin was the lead scientist.

In Christchurch, some people hate, or fear, magpies because some dive on you like a Stuka if you come near the nest in spring time. I like them despite, or perhaps because of, their “Hey you, bugger off!” character.

Here’s an Aussie lady who gets on well with magpies.

https://youtu.be/KqSbDcks_uA

In the comments to the video someone wrote: “As a ex-Postman for 18 years, THEY ARE MY ENEMY! I used to get hit on the head 30 times a day for 3 months each year. ”
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March 19, 2022 9:04am
Lee C

Not only does this irresponsible ‘world-renowned epidemiologist’ (what ever that is!!?) spread his flippant ‘opinions’ about covid and how it is spread ant treated – he actually has the audacity to break it down into five logical, peer-supported ‘points’ to ‘justify’ his ‘dangerous misinformation’.
https://www.facebook.com/1474132889/videos/1025304238364020
ps hope it survives it’s on a PBD podcast
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March 19, 2022 9:07am
Maggie Pie

Couldn’t help but think what the world has come to, when some scummy individual would not only steal money from their best friend…..but also his GRANDAD!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1504653446418423810

SHEESH 🙁
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March 19, 2022 9:08am
- Matt Long
  
  I remember when All Black scandals were Islanders not playing matches on Sundays.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Steven Pokare and Micheal Jones
    
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    March 19, 2022 10:15am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Sir Michael missed selection for the 1995 World Cup because of his no-Sundays stance. You have to admire a bloke who is prepared to miss an opportunity like that on a matter of personal principle.
      
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      March 19, 2022 11:28am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, Pokare named an All Black way back in 81was the first, he is a Mormon, and did not play a couple of games for Southland, I think he was dropped from the ABs because he didn’t play a game on a Sunday, I can’t remember which game, it may have even been an AB trial on a Sunday, or the North South game
        
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        March 19, 2022 12:01pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Guilford has had an abundance of second chances, and didn’t deserve another one. Sure, he had a gambling addiction, but stealing from a grandparent is about as low as it gets. A period in prison would have been an appropriate punishment.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:27am
surfing

Mathematical analysis on global excess deaths shows global excess deaths during covid are hovering at about 18 million.

This is over and above the number of people who would have normally died.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext
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March 19, 2022 9:12am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Who cares? No amount of excess death justifies unilateral and universal removal of people’s rights, because those rights belong to people, not politicians.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:14pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Caused by……?
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:16pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Excess deaths, how many from suicide, failure to get treated for other serious conditions, depression, alcoholism, family violence, all of the things that were warned about very early on?
  One thing that is abundantly clear and provable is that the number of deaths attributed to covid are ridiculously overstated. Nonsensical numbers.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:59pm
  - surfing
    
    You cannot bring yourself to admit that even one person died from covid.
    
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    March 19, 2022 3:06pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You’re right, I don’t believe anyone died solely “from covid”. Like any seasonal respiratory illness, it made other conditions worse and in some cases pushed people over the edge.
      The IFR is 0.15%. The average age of death with covid is higher than the “normal” average age of death. Those who died almost always have multiple serious comorbidities. These are all facts. Call it flu, call it covid, call it SARS or MERS. It’s a viral, seasonal condition that makes other conditions more serious. It contributes to the death of those suffering from other conditions.
      
      Many died “with” covid. Not so many “from” covid.
      
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      March 19, 2022 8:20pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Um, they don’t mention the 10s of millions of deaths in the third world directly caused by 1st world lockdowns and restrictions (IE not caused by covid itself). And those 3rd world deaths were predicted from the outset by a number of economists. At the beginning of the pandemic smart arses boasting of their credentials tried to tell me this was unlikely to happen due to people living longer as a result of the 1929 great depression (ie because of having less food and therefore having less obesity/diabetes related lethal illness and so on). They were wrong. 1929 was a different world.
  
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  March 20, 2022 2:38pm
Lee C

And teh Hatchard Report suggests that vaccines – not covid are a problem:
https://hatchardreport.com/new-data-is-confirming-increases-in-all-cause-deaths-associated-with-mrna-covid-vaccination/

Just crazy talk.
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March 19, 2022 9:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  These therapies will become known as the largest medical misadventure in world history. The coverup effort will be gargantuan, but it will fragment in my view. The truth will out, and those at the forefront of the crimes will get their due. I hope this happens sooner rather than later.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:33am
  - Lee C
    
    Hi KK,
    
    I predict that many who are totally ‘with’ the programme right now, will begin a long process of historical revisionism to abstain themselves.
    
    It still, to me, beggers belief that otherwise sensible, intelligent people who, in this day and age, simply did not have the common-sense to use a search-engine – will turn around and plead ignorance once the great deception unfolds.
    
    I don’t think there is any ‘excuse’ for this, abject dereliction of duty, personally.
    
    Apart from stupidity.
    
    But stupidity still is not an actual defence, because the means to inform oneself were available the whole time.
    
    As a libertarain, I believe you should be allowed to do whatever you like to your own body if you choose, as long as you do not harm others.
    
    But once they started volunteering the children up for this madness, their moral legitimacy dissipated, IMO.
    
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    March 19, 2022 10:26am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Lee I think we are in a dystopian nightmare of “info wars” pushed by powerful interests.
      
      The only way out is to head to a safe haven that supports common sense, democracy and robust lethal defenses.
      
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      March 19, 2022 4:49pm
Rusty

On my wish list, a royal commission/inquiry set up by the new govt next year (hopefully National) on PM’s Govt/ Health CEO’s handling of the whole covid response.

* Was a general health emergency lawful?

* Was it lawful to lock healthy people in their homes?

* Was it lawful to stop people working and earning incomes?

* Was it lawful to make people wear masks and contact trace ?

* Was it lawful to discriminate vaxxed and unvaxxed people in our society?
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March 19, 2022 9:18am
- Tony Stuart
  
  There needs to be a Royal Commission convened to investigate every aspect of the Government’s Covid-19 response from January 2020. It would need to be led by a current or recently retired High Court judge.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:30am
- Clownworld
  
  Rusty
  No
  No
  No
  No
  No
  
  However govt will simply get a limp wristed feeble slap with a wet bus ticket by a compromised corrupt judge and told they broke the law but it was ok in circumstances and then govt to retrospectively change the law.
  
  Meantime April 1st Cindy will pass more laws to divide NZ more.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:40am
Sparrow

A very naive article from Jack Tame in Herald and its not behind the paywall. Accusing government of having polling decide their actions I.e. reduction in fuel tax etc. To me this shows the naivety and ignorance of our modern day journalists. Ofcourse opinion polls drive all political parties have done and will continue to do so. When the polls go against you throw the peasants a few baubles when they are for you get away with blue bloody murder. That’s the real world of politics. POWER
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March 19, 2022 9:23am
- Clownworld
  
  Jack Tame is not naive he is a woke paid up derisive dismissive antagonistic commentator , deaf and blind to anything outside his narrow minded belief system.
  
  Petulant and cringeworthy.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:43am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I thought Tame’s whole message was more about driving the climate change circus to be honest? I thought the “criticism” of Ardern was a smokescreen. I admit to becoming very cynical after suffering under Ardern’s “leadership” for so long.
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gee,
don’t folks realise our cops have been busy manning MIQs, chasing down protestors, escorting motorcycle gangsters, etc…they don’t have time to come around and check out a neighbourhood spat?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/03/christchurch-family-waits-20-days-for-police-to-show-up-after-alleged-death-threats-from-neighbour.html
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March 19, 2022 9:24am
- cmm
  
  I wonder how they reported the incident.
  
  Last week I reported a suspicious person casing a house in Chch and a cop came along to have a look within 15 minutes.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:34am
  - Taieri
    
    Last September I had a car broken into. Called the police on crime reporting number, was asked a few questions and was told that the incident will not be attended too as it is of a “minor nature” and advised to inform my insurance. Not expecting anything else I secured the broken window, cleaned the broken glass etc. Then, after about an hour or so, a police officer knocked on my door. We had a chat, he’d taken some fingerprints and when I said that I was told that nothing could be done, he said something to this effect: “these wankers up north don’t know what they are talking about, we always attend such incidents”. Go figure!
    
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    March 19, 2022 10:07am
- Lee C
  
  Did they not bother to infer the neighbour might be pro-choice?
  
  Rookie mistake.
  
  They would have been around in a shot then,
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:28am
- bjools
  
  AAAHHH….They missed a trick there…
  Tell them it’s an anti mandate protest…. be there in force, in minutes.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:34am
- nathie
  
  Been tempted to look back 2-3 years ago to see who the critics were of Simon Bridges (then Nat. leader) who was calling for a Police “Raptor Squad” to be setup to deal with hardened criminals.
  
  (Be ironic if it were Labour MP’s – especially as gang violence has escalated under their watch)!
  
  Anyway, the Parliament Protests did prove that there are Police officers out there that don’t mind indulging in a bit of thuggery, so perhaps it makes sense to harness this “energy” (? – can’t think of a better word atm) and have the Police setup special units (raptor squads or whatever) that can be deployed to places like eg Kaikohe (that had that gang confrontation a couple of days ago) for a few days to booster and assist the local Police teams (which are probably only a handful anyway) and do to the gangs (the only thing that they respect) which is to confront and smash them!
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:14am
  - Matt Long
    
    I just guessing, but it’s probably more fun acting the thug against middle class families with a few outlying violent idiots than facing reprisals from organised crime groups.
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Could this spell the end of…. WOMEN IN COMPETITIVE SPORT?

I’m just sooo pleased Laurel never took up Tennis.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1504614031688192008
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March 19, 2022 9:26am
- Nickc2
  
  What does Biden’s America and Cindy’s Aotearoa have in common?
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:54am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, believe all (trans) women.
  ‘Despite being a biological man, I’m really I’m a woman.’
  Seems reasonable to me. /s
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:15am
- kowtow
  
  From yesterday’s UK Daily Telegraph.
  
  A hearing in the House of Lords.
  
  NHS policy , known as Annex B , allows patients to be placed in single sex wards according to the gender which they identify with at the time.
  At a hearing in the House of Lords yesterday evidence was given in a rape case in a NHS ward that “the result of Annex B is that hospital trusts inform ward sisters and nurses that if there is a male , as a trans person , in a female ward and a female patient or anyone complains , they must be told that it is not true- there is no male there”.
  
  Police investigating were told ” there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.
  
  Stark raving mad .
  
  Orwell’s book 1984 was a warning , these loons use it as a training manual.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    See to all you anti-brexiters out there old blighty is fully capable of creating bureaucratic madness in excess of anything the EU can do, you need not have feared a resurgent British Empire.
    
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    March 19, 2022 2:02pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Maggie, Emma Weyant, who came second, was it the US Olympic team and won a silver medal at the Olympics. She was crushed by this guy. And I can’t see anything that would make me think this would be one way traffic…..
  
  https://twitter.com/megynkelly/status/1504828698108653570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1504828698108653570%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fmegyn-kelly-levels-lia-thomas-says-this-is-not-the-womens-champion-and-has-some-nerve-pretending-to-be
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    …and LOL!!
    
    https://twitter.com/JackRabbitz72/status/1504922390375010304
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:16am
  - I remember when
    
    IVV:
    Still the real story might be not to wear a hat if you’re competing.
    
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    March 19, 2022 2:09pm
bythesea

Next door neighbour, late teens son.
Now in hospital with myocarditis.

Anybody else seeing myocarditis events in their neighbours, relatives or work colleagues?
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March 19, 2022 9:29am
- kowtow
  
  I know of plenty .
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:52am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  We’ve always been at war with Eastasia, just as young people have always developed heart problems and blood clots subsequent to vaccination.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:21pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  2 heart attacks in our street in fit men in their late 50s and early 60s within 3 weeks of getting the jab. Just a coincidence obviously……..
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:06pm
- Paulus
  
  Yes – it is possible that I have had it.
  I am over 80 and have had a heart condition for some time, and have had three jabs.
  My Doctor is unsure that it is myocarditis, but after some bad months am coming good with more short term additional heart medication.
  
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  March 19, 2022 2:05pm
Tasman devil

The Prime Muppet’s consistent incompetence shows the plebs backed the wrong horse.
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March 19, 2022 9:31am
ClanMcleod

I see Ardern’s resident “expert” Michael Baker is demanding that control measures become permanent.

“New Zealand needed to keep a set of key control measures – a “pandemic tool kit” – that could be turned up or down depending on the future evolution of the pandemic.

Baker said this toolkit should include a border biosecurity system that potentially included purpose-built quarantine facilities; a successor to the traffic light system/alert level system that provided a framework for organising control measures for a full range of current and future pandemic scenarios”

Does anyone know how this clown can be put back in his box and the lid locked?
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March 19, 2022 9:34am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ve observed Baker at a conference, let’s just say he’s a “curious” individual who no one voluntarily engaged with.
  
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  March 19, 2022 9:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    He has long dreamed about the current situation, he has written about it often. It is his “moment” in his life and he will do everything in his power to make his dream carry on as long as possible.
    Like Ardern, he is a dangerous, delusional narcissist.
    
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    March 19, 2022 9:58am
- Harriet
  
  “…..this toolkit should include a border biosecurity system that potentially included purpose-built quarantine facilities….”
  
  For tuberculosis etc.?
  
  This guy is a tunnel vision fuckwit who shouldn’t be talking about health full stop.
  Of course Cindy would listen to his autocratic propaganda for ‘covid crowd control’.
  
  She is becoming an absolute disgrace regards authority. Her father would be quietly ashamed I would suspect.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:01am
Maggie Pie

🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁

The look you get on your face when you’ve just paid $42 for a 6pk of Hot-Cross-Buns from a French Bakery…..but you chuck them in the bin when you realise they’re not a patch on the ones you buy from Countdown.
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March 19, 2022 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The French don’t do HXBuns, silly girl.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The Asians that own the place do!
    
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    March 19, 2022 10:26am
- oldfella
  
  Plenty of Ukrainians sheltering from Russian bombs at the moment who’d be happy to eat them for you. Eh, Maggie. /s
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Reminds me of how gran used to make me eat my peas when she said….”Think of the poor people in Mt Roskill”
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:30am
- krazykiwi
  
  Forget those $7 hx buns. I have this bridge …
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:38am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… What about your local New World? Surely must be better.
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nope….there’s are OK, but a bit sort of ‘cakey’ in comparison.
    
    And see where Woolworths OZ came out on top again this year …..sell 100 million each year!!
    
    Same recipe here apparently 😛
    
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    March 19, 2022 11:24am
    - Observer of Life
      
      No no no Maggie.. Bakers Delight Apple & Cinnamon. Amazing, especially warmed with lashings of butter. ?
      
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      March 19, 2022 12:33pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        OOOOOOOH….I’m heading up there soon 😛
        
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        March 19, 2022 1:06pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Don’t pay $42 for 6 buns? Walk out?
  
  That’s insane. Especially if they are nothing special.
  
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  March 20, 2022 2:45pm
I remember when

Ardern rejects National’s call to scrap traffic lights system, warns of ‘future peaks’:
And so the constant attempt to look as if they are having some effect on omicron continues.
Why do we have to continue undertaking unnecessary actions so that the government can look better.
Let’s start acting if and when needed.
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March 19, 2022 10:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We don’t need an imposed system every time there is a pathogen on the loose which has a survival rate in excess of 99%.
  
  All folks need is to be told that an influenza or readily transmissible pathogen is in the community and to isolate if infected and be careful if in poor health.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:31am
  - glowworm
    
    Maggie, we need someone with common sense, like you, to replace the drongos like Baker.
    
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    March 19, 2022 12:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  I think she’s come to realise that if she stops running this Covid scam, there’s nothing else going for her.
  She’s a one-horse trick as they write in the Dyslexia Journal.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:38am
- Dougal10
  
  Micheal Baker is obviously Cindys go to on this .
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:59am
Yvette

“If we can get back down to say, hundreds of cases a day, then we may have another shot at suppression or even elimination of the virus. If we do get to that point, we’ll all be called to use all of the tools at our disposal again to make sure that we’re keeping contact tracing going.
“From that perspective, it can be argued that maintaining your habits is a lot easier than stopping and having to get it back up again.”
… Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern this week also said that the Government would be “considering the way contract tracing will be used in the future of our COVID management”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/coronavirus-as-qr-code-scanning-drops-to-six-month-low-is-it-time-to-dump-it-from-our-covid-19-armoury.html

550 contact tracers wake up to no work
Five-hundred and fifty-two contact tracers woke on Friday morning to find they were out of work.
A tracer who wanted to remain anonymous was one of those who received this message at 8.15am. It read:
“Ch ch ch changes ….Or…so long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye….(just for you Thomas!). Ata marie General
I’d love to be starting the day with…’ we have a busy day ahead’. Not today…as you will all be aware, following Government’s announcement yesterday, with NZ moving to Omicron Phase 3, our wee world of DC calling has come to an end. We can’t thank you enough for your amazing work.”
The woman was due to start work at 9am.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/02/25/550-contact-tracers-wake-up-to-no-work/

The second article did not, far as I can see, actually say how many contact tracers in total there were and if, on February 25, they were all dismissed.
But why scan, or continue scanning like you might forget how to do it, if there are no contact tracers?
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March 19, 2022 10:04am
- Nickc2
  
  The Police find Covid Tracing Data extremely useful.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:42am
- JohnRidd
  
  “But why scan, or continue scanning like you might forget how to do it, if there are no contact tracers?”
  
  Good question.
  
  It has been a long time since I even pretended to scan in.
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:10pm
I remember when

Why was there such a ‘hue and cry’ about right-wing and overseas influences during the Parliamentary Protests.
Was the reference to overseas supported, Qnon and Trump etc. necessary to make the Protest right-wing.
Otherwise, if it was Anti-Vaccination, it was local with a strong Green connection and therefore left-wing.
This would make it New Zealand’s first violent protest by left-wing voters against a left-wing government.
Our nation-wide protests involving serious rioting were –
1913 Waterfront Strike
1951 Waterfront Strike
1981 Springbok Tour protest
All had a left (wharfies) versus right (employers/exporters) element.
The Springbok Tour was National (Muldoon) against a left-wing lead protest.
So, as the Curia survey showed, this was the first time a left-wing government has suppressed, with force, a largely left-wing protest.
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March 19, 2022 10:19am
- Nickc2
  
  ….and they don’t like it because it achieved its aim. Most if not all reasons for the protest are under investigation or have been implemented.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:44am
oldfella

Steven Joyce weighs in this morning in the horrid (behind a paywall as always with his articles).
Government prescription won’t cure health system
I thought this was a good summary of what’s in store for us.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for an improvement in health services from the middle of this year when the reforms take effect. Many highly experienced observers believe they will achieve next to nothing.
That’s because the reforms involve the same people giving themselves new jobs in huge new entities, probably at higher pay, with nothing else changing. The usual suspects will continue to dream up new ways of telling medical staff, hospitals and private practices what to do in the time-honoured top-down way.
There is nothing you can point to that will improve patient care, nor even a funding formula. Just lots of shallow statements about “fixing the health system”. Oh, and a half-billion-dollar-and-counting price tag.
It was ever thus. Incessant rounds of reforms at the top of the system end up leaving the same people in charge and no plan to improve patient care.
It’s enough to make a frontline health worker weep with frustration.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/steven-joyce-government-prescription-wont-cure-health-system/4TGOX6JKDJQYTZ5KXK2T4SINKI/
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March 19, 2022 10:28am
I remember when

A thought on 3 Waters.
Who has had any contact lately with any firm that is largely a telephone/net contactable source.
Remember when you could contact a local office, instantly talk to a person, explain what you wanted and organise the required action.
If anything went wrong, you could go into their office and at least know who you were dealing with and where to contact them.
Not any more, the automated telephone system, the wait for your turn or perhaps they will ring you back when it suits them.
If everything goes well that’s great.
If, however, things get complicated ……….
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March 19, 2022 10:33am
- Observer of Life
  
  I Remember: I’ve been trying to sort an issue with AKL Council. Have email threads going back to early September. I speak to someone on the phone who promises it will be sorted this time if I email all correspondence to them. Just had another threatening letter from them telling me I’ve ignored them. Give me strength…. If private companies ran their businesses like this, they’d be closed and gone long ago. Idiots.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:41pm
  - artemisia
    
    Make a formal complaint through their website. It will get attention PDQ.
    
    (I did this recently, different council, resolved the next day.)
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:55pm
Lee C

BoB McKrostie shows how Ardern made it up about The Ukraine situation causing petrol prices to go up:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228081717286884&set=a.10200968637036823
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March 19, 2022 10:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  There’s an awful lot of made up stuff on mainstream media regarding events in Ukraine. Here’s one of the few exceptions. Lara Logan gets to drop some truth bombs on US breakfast TV.
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/yrwD23iIvO3M/
  UK Column did an excellent show exposing much of the blatant and nonsensical propaganda. In one photo shown on UK breakfast TV, apparently 3 British mercenaries photographed in a vehicle with a heavy calibre machine gun mounted on the back. They reported how they were attacked and killed. Only two minor problems. They were all bare chested and suntanned. It’s winter in Ukraine ffs. The other problem is, one of the people in the photo tweeted out that the photo was from Iraq from 17 years ago and he is very much alive. How stupid is mainstream media becoming???
  Worth watching the whole programme.
  
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-18th-march-2022
  
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  March 19, 2022 10:54am
- rjay
  
  Markets are forward looking. A blind monk on a mountain top could have predicted disruptions to Russian oil supply, if not the war itself.
  
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  March 19, 2022 11:12am
nathie

Is the Labour/Green obsession with spending hundreds of millions of dollars on urban cycleways somewhat outdated and old-fashioned now?

I wondered that the other day when a young person came flying past on an e-scooter.

Hadn’t been a fan of them but I am now seeing more young and older people using them and if one thinks about it, it’s a more efficient way to travel than using a cumbersome bicycle (eg it’s easy to fold up the e-scooter and carry it inside one’s workplace, or even onto public transport when required etc).

So instead of spending hundreds of millions of dollars taking out car lanes (and roadside parking) for bicycles, would it be better to halt all urban bike lane developments and perhaps spend on perhaps widening footpaths where possible?

(May need some speed limits for e-scooters though).

Another advantage is that it won’t cost as much but best of all, councils will be forced to spend money upgrading footpaths.

I know of people that have tripped over uneven or damaged footpaths and were laid up for weeks due to ankle and soft tissue injuries.

Perhaps something for National and ACT to consider?

Certainly would appeal to younger people that aren’t bicycle fanatics!
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March 19, 2022 10:55am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Scooters are about 200x more injuries per km travelled than cars, and about 4x higher than bikes.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:23pm
  - nathie
    
    Yeah fair points, might be hard to regulate their speed and expect footpaths or roadsides to be in top order. Seems to have some attractions though if these issues could be addressed (and hopefully not by overbearing H&S regulations)!
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:14pm
stiff cheese

Some outfit called the Northern Region Health Coordination Centre is working hard to convince us that ONLY 11 percent of hospital admissions for COVID, have had their Booster jabs.
On Thursday’s Newshub it was Dr. Andrew Old, Clinical Officer. On Friday’s OneNews it was the turn of Dr. Anthony Jordan.

Problem is, that number doesn’t square with the
numbers on the Ministry of Health website.

I looked at the hospitalization numbers given for Unvaccinated, Partially vaxxed, Double vaxxed, and Boosted, from Tues-Thu.

Of the COVID patients in Northern Region hospitals (with a known vaxx status), the ‘Boosted’ are 38 percent — that’s the 3-day average.

So, 38% versus 11%. Can anyone suggest a legitimate reason for the disparity?

The other groups are:
Unvaxxed = 19%.
Partial or Double vaxxed = 43%.

By the way, the ‘unknowns’ are 10-12% compared to those with a known Vaxx Status.
It’s not fair to include them in the denominator — I wouldn’t do it — unless someone was on my back to “make Boosting sound better!”.
It still would only change the 38% to 34%.
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March 19, 2022 11:39am
- Nickc2
  
  It’ll all come out during the Royal Commission into the management of our Covid response if the Govt:
  * Agrees to have one, and
  * Doesn’t write the Terms of Reference.
  However, Pigs Fly.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:31pm
ecco

Went down the Auckland cbd. Pretty desperate site following Ardern’s brutal 105 day lockdown and Goff’s incompetence to advocate for the Auckland CBD.

Ardern needs to do something soon to save this area. LIKE IMMEDIATELY. Let the cruise ships in, international tourism and international students. Do this now Jacinda. Be brave! Not in a months time. These businesses and organisations need help NOW.

The way Ardern’s behaving is akin to the West telling Zelensky ‘to just hang in there for another month and we will come and save you…’. Yeah right.
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March 19, 2022 11:48am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree, it’s so grim down there, even the so-called beggars are asking for a pay rise.
  
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  March 19, 2022 12:35pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Stop worrying about what other people do, try living your own life. I only need to look at the empty car parks at the railway stations to understand that people are not travelling to the city to work or shop in the usual numbers – that’s their business.
  
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  March 19, 2022 1:23pm
  - Harriet
    
    That then becomes no one’s business. Everyone then goes broke.
    
    NZ can do without shallow and self absorbed civilians – and that clearly includes all cabinet ministers – I’ve never in my life seen an ‘executive board’ at that fucken level of incompetency.
    
    If I was in the NZ army — I’d immediately quit — after pissing on my uniform!
    
    An international socialist as commander in chief of a western army!!
    
    What a fucken joke! 😎
    
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    March 19, 2022 1:47pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      When the shit hits the fan these international socialist feminist wonder persons will need a big hairy male trained in lethal offense to save their pathetic arses.
      
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      March 19, 2022 4:54pm
  - ecco
    
    Obviously retired eh Brian and never worked in a commercial enterprise have you. It’s more than just people working from home that’s created the messes in the cbds of nz towns. I’m assuming you are on Ardern’s trolling payroll judging by the tone of your posts. .
    
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    March 20, 2022 8:53am
Benedict Yu

Just driving around Christchurch running some errands. I have never seen the traffic so quiet on a Saturday.
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March 19, 2022 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

OMG!! Anyone else know we had an Embassy in IRAN of all places?

https://twitter.com/coughlthom/status/1504901772313526272
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March 19, 2022 1:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Iran is mainstream. We have an embassy in Ethiopia, and a High Commission in Barbados
  
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  March 19, 2022 5:26pm
Brian McDonald

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Looking at the Curia poll results with both Labour and National moving in the wrong direction I wonder who is going to crash and burn first. I noted a few weeks ago Luxon criticising Labour for things it had already changed, only having one foot in a mud pie is still going to wreck the carpet.
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March 19, 2022 1:27pm
ClanMcleod

“the CDC analysis on pediatric vaccines is pure garbage – this is not public health, it’s public harm”

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-cdc-analysis-on-pediatric-vaccines?
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March 19, 2022 1:50pm
Harriet

“….only having one foot in a mud pie is still going to wreck the carpet…..”

Having little share of the pie — on the day of your child’s birthday — is going to see a lot of blood on the carpet.

Give it up — she has shown everyone over 4yrs her disgusting socialist inabilities — and disgraced her father’s good name!

God will forgive him — but she’s fucked! 😎
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March 19, 2022 1:54pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING RIGHT NOW…..PLEASE SHARE

More than 2000 re-tweets & 3000 ‘Likes’ in the past hour!

https://twitter.com/America1Scotty/status/1504857214984638464

Most would find it hard-to-disagree with Scotty on this.
Although there will always be one or two that do I guess….
for reasons best known to themselves 🙁
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March 19, 2022 1:59pm
Captain Mainwaring

I see Aotearoa has made the top ten list of the world’s happiest countries.
I wonder where New Zealand ranked.
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March 19, 2022 2:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Are you able to show me where it is on a map, Capt’n?
  
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  March 19, 2022 3:22pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m sure that survey is rigged. Every day on Kiwiblog I’m reading that NZ has become a socialist totalitarian shithole.
  
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  March 19, 2022 3:23pm
  - smttc
    
    Quite right and it is.
    
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    March 19, 2022 7:20pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Oh you’re such an altruistic gem Mike, we’d be totally lost without you raising the tone.
    
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    March 19, 2022 7:50pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Absolutely, and getting worse every day that Ardern and her muppet show are in charge.
    
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    March 19, 2022 8:26pm
I remember when

In ‘The Hollow Men’ there is mention of the fact of National holding their own amongst male voters.
The advisors suggested Helen was holding her female voters and that they had to be the area of attack.
And they didn’t even have covid.
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March 19, 2022 2:02pm
- Mike
  
  Interesting read that. Do you think Goldsmith is working on a biography of Luxon this time round?
  
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  March 19, 2022 2:49pm
Maggie Pie

One of the gals at tennis asked me if she should be concerned about a swollen nipple?
Reckons it’s nearly twice the size of the other two.
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March 19, 2022 2:38pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Thanks for solving the climate emergency.
  
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  March 19, 2022 3:31pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Why the hate? That was pretty funny.
  
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  March 19, 2022 3:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Only 3 nipples?
  https://zizekanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2021/12/fountain-of-fertility-tivoli-b1.jpg?w=373&h=514
  
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  March 19, 2022 3:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Like my partner sez…anything more than a mouthful is a waste.
    
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    March 19, 2022 4:04pm
greenfinger

There is at least a million kiwis who feel nothing but contempt for Ardern. They will never forget the how they were treated like dirt by her. Get ready for one hell of a beating come Oct 2023, Ardern fan club!
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March 19, 2022 5:54pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300545262/china-reports-first-covid19-deaths-in-more-than-a-year
I simply do not know how to react to statements like this: my first thought was “Jesus: there will be lots of simple and unquestioning people out there who will believe this crap”.
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March 19, 2022 6:32pm
Maggie Pie

Reports of a man shot by Police after pointing a weapon at them down Marcus Lush country, is currently undergoing life-saving surgery in hospital.

What a sick joke! We’ve got hundreds of kids still awaiting life saving surgery for cancer.
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March 19, 2022 6:47pm
Maggie Pie

Holy f—k!!
We just had ClarkE Gayford on our Security Gate Intercom.
Said he’s here to move the house.
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March 19, 2022 7:25pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hope he’s got a bloody big truck.
  
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  March 19, 2022 8:09pm
Surely Knott

Australia Covid Deaths by State
State # of Covid Deaths % C.Deaths %Pop. state
NSW 864 33.8% 31.8%
Vic 1,557 60.9% 25.8%
Qld 69 2.7 20.4%
SA 22 0.9 6.9%
WA 10 0.4 10.4%
Tas 18 0.7 2.1%
NT 0 na 1%
ACT 16 0.6 1.7%
Aus 2,556 100.0

Looks like Dictator Dan’s extreme lockdown mandate vax authoritarianism saw him with the biggest share of all covid deaths (60%) when Victoria only makes up 25.8% of the population. Worst result.
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