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krazykiwi

In October 2020, Dr Andrew Hill was tasked by WHO to report on the dozens of new studies from around the world suggesting Ivermectin could be a remarkably safe and effective treatment for Covid-19. His work was funded by Unitaid which, naturally, receives funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. On 18th January Dr Hill’s report was published on a pre-print server. Strangely, the core findings in the report data were extremely supportive of the benefits of Ivermectin, but the conclusion was diametrically opposed. From this point onwards, Ivermectin became demonised in public discourse.

Last week, three contributors to this paper published an Open Letter to Dr Hill (video, 18mins) which I highly recommend to you. To her credit, Dr Tess Lawrie politely and determinedly applies the borax to Dr Hill, and it’s clear to any viewer that he is extremely uncomfortable about his being compromised.

So, who changed the conclusion, and published the paper? It wasn’t the author, Dr Andrew Hill. An intrepid blogger – “The Digger” – accessed different versions of published documents, interrogated the meta-data, and found critical edits were undertaken by one “Dr Andrew Owen”. Dr Owen’s digital fingerprints are all over the document despite not being an author or reviewer. He is a professor of Pharmacology and Therapeutics, and a co-director of Centre of Excellence in Long-acting Therapeutics (CELT).

Two days before the now-changed Dr Hill paper was published Unitaid made a $40m grant to CELT for work on a project that involved a start-up company of which Dr Owen is a top shareholder. Dr Owen is donkey deep in all this, with rivers or research money flowing his way from organisations that stood to benefit from Ivermectin being side-lined. He has received research grants and/or travel bursaries from Merck, Bristol–Myers Squibb, GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, Abbott, ViiV Healthcare, Boehringer Ingelheim and Janssen Pharmaceuticals. More background is here.

This is corruption. A handful of dangerous, greedy people have built their private wealth on the death and suffering of others. Blood on their hands. How many people have needlessly died?
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March 13, 2022 8:00am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi KK
  Do you believe we will ever get ti the bottom of the story and hold the guilty ti account? And what happens to the dangerous fools like Chris “get boosted” Bishop? In the past eg y2k we have just moved on to the next thing without a backward glance.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:24am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Do you think people are starting to wake up, ask questions.
    
    We are more devided now than ever before.
    Consumer confidence is in the toilet
    Business confidence is in the toilet
    The economy is a mess.
    People are starting to realize that covid was a con.
    
    It’s going to be an interesting election campaign with jacinda requiring a heavy police presence on the campaign trail.
    
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    March 13, 2022 8:31am
    - oldfella
      
      Mrs Oldfella found this comment on the NZH site yesterday and sent it to me. Mods willing, I think it’s worth sharing on KB…
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      Dear PM of New Zealand
      You drove me out of my country last year because I could no longer tolerate the embarrassing “team of 5 million” , “be kind”, “teddy bears in windows” infantile behaviour.
      You have fooled far too many people for far too long. You have used cunning manipulation, spin & the covid for far too long.
      No one is listening to you any longer. No one is watching you on the supposed “podium of truth” any longer.
      You kept New Zealanders from legally returning to their country.
      You have divided NZ like no one before you has ever dreamed possible.
      The game is up. The exhausted people of a once great country have finally woken up & discovered that the empress has no clothes.
      We are over you & your constant obstification, aloofness, arrogance & belligerence.
      New Zealand IS in crisis & you have absolutely no idea.
      Do the honourable thing & address the nation on Monday morning. In that address please announce you are stepping down.
      
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      March 13, 2022 10:42am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Mr_Blobby – Cindy will still be mobbed by giggling girls and latter sipping Auckland mums who worship her as Goddess. So move on.
      
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      March 13, 2022 3:11pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “That was then, this is now, Move on.”
    
    _ much favoured response of a Former Dear Leader
    
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    March 13, 2022 8:47am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Nice worthy people may harbour doubts about vaccine efficiency.
      But they will still firmly believe and justify that all had to be vaccinated to prevent hospitals being over run with sick people – with many dying in scarce ICU beds.
      And, or course, the alleged run-down of the hospitals, lack of trained ICU staff and beds is completely the fault of the previous National Party government.
      That is now I would spin it if I were a Labour Party propagandist – such as Minister Megan Woods for example.
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:42am
      - Rodney Hide
        
        Quite. The useless models justified the useless vaccine which justified the useless models. The only fly in the ointment is the unvaxxed control group who shrugged off covid like the flu that it clearly is. I imagine the anger is building. I know mine is.
        
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        March 13, 2022 9:55am
      - R
        
        But they will still firmly believe and justify that all had to be vaccinated to prevent hospitals being over run with sick people – with many dying in scarce ICU beds.
        
        They can believe what they like. We had an influenza pandemic in 2009 which hopsitalised over 1100 people and affected 1 in 3 children. Despite the absence of lockdowns, mandates, passes and masks, and although we didn’t rely on a vaccine, the sky didn’t fall in. It’s truly remarkable that our natural immunity proved so effective.
        
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        March 13, 2022 10:28am
    - rouppe
      
      “The science has changed, its a tricky virus”
      
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      March 13, 2022 12:20pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes R.
      And 200,000 kiwis caught that ‘flu, and there were something like 40 deaths directly atributed to that ‘flu – no bullshit figures of ‘died with…’
      I really wonder – and it concerns me – that this so called pandemic is less problematic in the way of infections & deaths, and yet we are still pummelled by ” today, another grim day with 9 Covid related deaths, bringing the total who died WITH Covid to 132″ – or some such bullshit.
      
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      March 13, 2022 7:51pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m not sure. I expect there will be local attempts to flush out the culpable, but without seeing a burning to the ground of intrinsically corrupt edifices like the FDA, CDC and WHO it’s all for naught.
    
    A trigger for significant global public outrage might be learning that these injectables have irreversibly altered DNA and/or that they have resulted in sub-clinical harm that starts to manifest in mortality statistics over the next 5+ years. There is, sadly, some evidence of these things already.
    
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    March 13, 2022 8:57am
    - Matt Long
      
      The Narrative to cover vaccine injury is already in motion; Long Covid. (Aww they named it after me.)
      While some anti vaxxers were noting/claiming that Warned and Marsh were both boosted within two weeks of their untimely deaths, there are articles in the MSM noting/claiming Warned had had COVID twice and this caused the heart damage that ultimately ended his life.
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:16am
      - R
        
        All viruses, including the flu, can have long term-effects. Covid isn’t unique.
        
        https://www.vox.com/22298751/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-hauler-symptoms
        
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        March 13, 2022 10:32am
      - Matt Long
        
        I know, Long Influenza, it’s such an honour.
        
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        March 13, 2022 8:30pm
  - glowworm
    
    This woman was living in NZ, until she fled back to the states. I believe her line of work was developing mRNA type products to fight cancer.
    
    Her words, and the links in the following article, are worth reading and thinking about for those of us with an open mind and with our head above the sand…
    
    https://themariachiyears.substack.com/p/substack-roundup-5
    
    The first thing Chris “get boosted” Bishop needs to do is remove his middle name asap.
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:11am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Glowworm, that link is heavy shit. Slowly working my way through it. Very interesting.
      
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      March 13, 2022 1:41pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Perhaps the million+ extra deaths created by this corruption with millions of bereaved will be sufficient to drive change.
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    Y2K = Covid-19 Hmmmmm. Possible but how will we know?
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:28am
- Matt Long
  
  While Ivermecton has been been controversial Vitamin D has not. The Israeli study IIRC showed 8 times more hospitalisation with low Vitamin D.
  No doubt the messaging is consistent in the MSM then, check your D3, get plenty of sun, make sure of good ventilation, avoid high viral loading? No?
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
    True, but remember VitD3 is not net protective, rather low levels of it are indicative of increased risk. I’ve been supplementing D3+zinc and despite being covid recovered will probably continue this throughout winter.
    
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    March 13, 2022 8:39am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, I intend to keep taking Vit D long after CV19 is done. It has so many other benefits.
      
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      March 13, 2022 8:59am
  - cmm
    
    I think the CV19-VitD thing is really just the tip of the iceberg.
    
    The pharma industry is massive and immensely profitable. For it to flourish we need:
    * Suppression of low-cost alternatives.
    * A whole lot of customers: sick people, or at least people who are fearful of getting sick.
    
    VitD is an excellent example. The benefits are in no way controversial. It is well known that VitD deficiency is linked to a whole raft of diseases. Take a list of medical issues common to Maori and you will see that they are almost all linked to Vit D shortage – from general immunity and colon cancer to mental health issues.
    
    Yet where’s the guidance to Maori to take Vit D supplements?
    
    I am only highlighting Maori because there is all the hype about them being poorly served. This one thing could improve the situation dramatically.
    
    However Vit D deficiency is not just a Maori issue. We’re not operating our bodies the way they have evolved for. We spend very little time outdoors. We eat differently. Both of these factors impact Vit D and our health.
    
    So why do we not hear this? Could it be that a sicker population are more dependent and then need more expensive treatment which is more profitable?
    
    Could it also be that those in power in the health system (academia and service providers) get their power and resources from sick people, so are less motivated to really look for simple cures?
    
    Now please do not misunderstand me. I am very pro a lot of things the medical system does. I would be dead many times over without medical intervention. But that does not make it all a good industry.
    
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    March 13, 2022 8:58am
    - Littletramp
      
      Many do not need more Vitamin D, they need less Vitamin KFC.
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:09am
- surfing
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I hope you are wearing the tinfoil hat you wore in the anti-vax protest.
  
  Deep government is watching you.
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:47am
  - krazykiwi
    
    It was an anti-mandate protest, as you well know surfing. Why do you deliberately misrepresent the truth?
    
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    March 13, 2022 10:57am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Because he’s a hopeless sychophant of the Jabinda cohort, because she “saved 80,000 lives”.
      
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      March 13, 2022 11:31am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Lot of sheeple still believe she saved 80,000 lives. Otherwise how do you explain 37% support for this clown?
        
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        March 13, 2022 3:13pm
    - curry4me
      
      Because people use the tools they have.
      
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      March 13, 2022 11:33am
- freemark
  
  [deleted, conspiracy – Mod]
  
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  March 13, 2022 4:30pm
Bobba Fret

What the heck is this in my news feed?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/an-ode-for-clarke-gayford/ar-AAUZf6A?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531
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March 13, 2022 8:14am
Lee C

I wonder if ‘funding’ has found its way into any of our global political insititutions and this has any presuasive qualities for those elected representatives who similarly sidelined, banned or ridiculed Ivermectin?

And relentlessly pushed the ‘safe and effective’ but untrialled and unpublished alternatives to a Nobel-Prize winning (and cost-effective) drug whihc had an established track record?

Remember kids…

“Get Boosted”!
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March 13, 2022 8:14am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  So I’m not vaccinated, caught the covid from fully vaccinated people.
  
  To be fair it was very mild and just a little bit disappointing.
  
  So for those that got vaccinated, you had 1 shot then there was some confusion on the time frame for the 2nd shot, then 6,5,4,3 months later you lined up for a 3rd shot, have you had your 4th shot yet?
  
  My natural immune system dealt with the covid and I am assuming gave me some strong long lasting antibodies.
  
  You have tried and failed to boost your immune system through a vaccine, that has clearly been not fit for purpose, now I’m not a medical experts and I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but how would you feel if it turned out the you had compromised your natural immunity.
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I note that Iceland’s chief epidemiologist has given up on the vaccine and has told folks that natural immunity will be the way to shut down their epidemic of covid infection.
    
    In his memo to the Minister of Health laying out the rationale for dropping restrictions, Gudnason said the main way out of the epidemic is natural herd immunity, or when enough people are immune to the virus that its transmission ceases. In order to achieve this, Gudnason wrote, “as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus” because vaccines alone are not enough.
    
    https://www.wired.com/story/iceland-bets-on-herd-immunity/
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:01am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Bill Gates did too, Saying natural immunity beat the vaccine and he was “sad” about this.
      Alarm Bells ring.
      
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      March 13, 2022 11:09am
  - KKKKatee
    
    I got Omicron from my jabbed husband. He was ‘sicker’ than me. So all that bullshit around the jabbed ‘ can still get it but not as bad and won’t end up in hospital’ is just a fairy story perpetuated by wannabe epidemiologist, Jacinda Ardern.
    
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    March 13, 2022 4:04pm
- krazykiwi
  
  ‘Get Boosted’ is Bishop personalising his advocacy. Previously he would have been Chris ‘Enjoy Tobacco’ Bishop.
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:50am
  - Lee C
    
    Heh, modesty forbade me to say it in that mny words.
    
    But I was primarily thinking of Ardern’s ‘Get the Booster” Press conference in which she hammered away at that not-so-subliminal message a number of times.
    
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    March 13, 2022 10:10am
  - curry4me
    
    Or Chris ‘Light up a Lucky’ Bishop.
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:37am
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Yeah, what a hypocrite. I’ve changed my thinking on Chris. He looks as pale as a ghost as well, so I’m not taking any health advice from him!!!
    
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    March 13, 2022 2:51pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Why is it that ‘Pimp the Poor’ food poverty stories that complain of unaffordable food prices invariably feature people that are obese?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/128016772/meet-the-families-doing-everything-to-save-a-buck-at-the-supermarket
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March 13, 2022 8:14am
- curry4me
  
  I think $tuffed are having IT issues. Their records must indicate that there’s a National led government in power. So, it’s time to pimp the poor. Cue pics of people sleeping in cars and garages in 5,4,3,2,1.
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:39am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  At the link, the Commerce Commission claims that the two main grocery chains made excess profits (calculated I don’t know how) of $430m, which is an impressive total but, assuming all 5m NZers buy from them, is $86 per annum per capita, or just $1.65 a week, or $8.27 for a family of 5, which isn’t to be sneezed at, but isn’t a lot if protein, fresh fruit and vegetables are your priority.
  
  And could a third grocery chain, eschewing excess profits, undercut the existing chains by enough to capture sufficient market share to justify the huge capital gamble necessary to get established?
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:02pm
  - JamesP
    
    Good point. The actual numbers are 1.86 million NZ households spending $22 billion annually, a bit over $12,000 per household per year.
    
    The “excess profit” on that $12,000 will be $230 ($430M / 1.86M).
    
    Now consider 3% of excess inflation robs a household earning $100,000 a year (a bit below the average) of $3000 a year. Why wouldn’t Labour be rushing to point the finger at supermarkets?
    
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    March 13, 2022 3:01pm
  - GJM
    
    The warehouse couldn’t make a go of grocery sales, despite having an existing brand, retail sites, logistics, etc.
    The chance of Lidl or Aldi coming here is basically zero
    
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    March 13, 2022 6:23pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  They will happily vote Labour because they know because the inflation is not “Jacinda’s fault you know”.
  
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  March 13, 2022 3:17pm
Biscuit

News Headline:
‘The International Space Station could CRASH because of sanctions against Moscow, Russian space agency Roscosmos warns, saying it could ‘fall into the sea or land”

With such blindingly-accurate prescience, those folk could easily get gigs at providing Covid forecasts for Jacinda!
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March 13, 2022 8:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  They don’t want it to crash. If it does Russia will be the loser because the US has the capacity to replace it while Russia does not.
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:58am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    True, but Russia can inflict embarrassment if not pain on the US by refusing to bring back the US astronaut in the ISS. The fact that the world will heap even more opprobrium on Putin will concern him not a jot.
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:12am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      SpaceX can easily deliver and retrieve astronauts using Dragon. Probably already a Dragon capsule at ISS for returning astronauts, if not they could have one there in a couple of weeks
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:22am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It’s hard to see the two cosmonauts being picked up while leaving their American colleague behind to die
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:33am
    - bennerg
      
      But that will only allow Elon to come to the rescue, send up a Dragon capsule, to not only to rescue the astronaut, but also to push the ISS back up into it’s normal orbit.
      
      And I’d suggest put a padlock on the Russian side …. haha.
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:54am
    - Russ the Muss
      
      Maybe not, but the noose is tightening and eventually his gutless inner circle will be motivated by self interest and putin will no longer be the president…
      
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      March 13, 2022 2:54pm
- hullkiwi
  
  It transpires that currently there are two Russians & an American on the space station. Despite agreements, the Russians are refusing to transport the American back to earth.
  
  All you can say is it is par for the course, with Putin’s signature on an agreement being as worthless as the words that come from Jacinda’s mouth or the speakers at the “Podium of Truth”. Spot the similarity!
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:59am
kowtow

The Sunday herald , front page story of the Freedom village clearance , very negative towards the protest . “Lucky noone died”

It’s over , why the obsession ?

Political cartoon , as usual lampooning the Opposition .

Daily our media looks more and more like a state run party organ there for the ruler and not the people it claims to inform.

This diminishes what’s left of our democracy.
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March 13, 2022 8:21am
- Bridgenag
  
  And The Listener totally woke now………sigh
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:40am
- RockyJ
  
  That article has a photo of police pushing up against the crowd of “violent” protestors. Own goal by Herald because if you look closely the protestors are facing away from the police.
  I’m not saying it wasn’t violent later on, I wasn’t there. Just a dumb photo to use.
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:08am
  - Batman
    
    What you’re describing the protestors facing away and pushing back into the police line in order to attempt avoiding pepper spray, so it’s the exact opposite of what you are portraying it as.
    
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    March 13, 2022 5:29pm
- rouppe
  
  Because it’s an easy hit, there’s no chance of blow back (unlike a hit on the govt), and the media got so used to lazy Trump hits they don’t know how to do anything else
  
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  March 13, 2022 12:28pm
Frank the tank

So it appears everyone is cool with a gang pulling a member of the public out of their car, beating them to a pulp and then carrying on.

The police don’t give a rats as the same gang is having a get together in Papatoetoe today, the merc with no mouth, Mitchell has said nothing and no condemnation from any other political party.

This is disgusting. In any other first world country there would be a police response. Here we just ask for witnesses. After seeing what they did with the victim no one is going to testify.

Fuck this government and their cuddling up to gangs.
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March 13, 2022 8:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You’re completely wrong about Mitchell:
  
  Mark Mitchell MarkMitchellMP
  My thoughts and prayers are with the victim and his family after he was subjected to a violent assault by gang members on the Waikato Expressway tonight. Total condemnation of a cowardly, violent assault. This has to stop.
  
  https://twitter.com/MarkMitchellMP/status/1502195468230873090
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:50am
  - Nickc2
    
    Cmon Frank, I think you’re big enough to apologise eh. We all make mistakes from time to time, but your post is OTT IMO.
    
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    March 13, 2022 10:59am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Thank god – about time.
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:03am
  - nathie
    
    Perhaps it’s time to do what Simon Bridges once advocated for which is to “smash the gangs”.
    
    Police action at the Parliament protest showed the Police are quite capable of “smashing” people (not seen since 1981 – that’s on you Cindy, all because you refused to talk), so could “cuddles by consent” Coster send in 100 officers to the Tribesman first, ask them to send out the guilty and if they don’t then “smash” them up and make an example out of them?
    
    I suggest it would be a deterrent to other gangs to better behave themselves (eg one hard-out Policing action now could provide dividends also meaning the Police may finally have the gangs respect)!
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Last Night Mark Mitchell issued the following:
  
  Police Minister Poto Williams is out of touch with her portfolio and clearly has no idea about the level of crime that everyday Kiwis are dealing with out in the real world, National’s Police spokesperson Mark Mitchell says.
  
  “Just this week we’ve seen a man dragged from his car and violently assaulted on the side of the Waikato Expressway by a 60-strong crew of Tribesmen gang members in a disgraceful and cowardly attack. On top of that, six people were injured in a shooting in Sandringham.
  
  “These incidents are emblematic of a huge increase in crime under this Government. Since Labour came to office in 2017, gang membership has increased by over 50 per cent, violent crime has increased over 20 per cent, and assaults are up over 30 per cent.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2203/S00096/soft-on-crime-govt-fast-to-talk-slow-to-act.htm
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:22pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  We should have the Saudis deal with them permanently. They don’t seem to let evidence or numbers bother them. A sickening bunch of thugs that no-one would miss.
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:25pm
dcrane

These are the “folks” the US collaborates with to bomb the Yemenis.
Just protecting democracy in their land, I guess.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086280204/saudi-arabia-carries-out-its-largest-known-execution-in-the-kingdoms-modern-hist
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March 13, 2022 8:22am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As above, we have candidates for that treatment.
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:26pm
kevn

@kk and Lee… Yep, they are still pushing for the booster jab. In spite of global alerts.
People still being bundled out out of jobs due to archaic mandates.
What is going on here? We know pollies are not with it but this beggars belief.
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March 13, 2022 8:25am
- Benedict Yu
  
  In the USA, Pfizer is still pushing ahead with revised trials of the vaccine for 6 months to 4 year olds. The first trial failed with two shots doing basically nothing of benefit. Pfizer is now running a three shot trial.?
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:41am
  - curry4me
    
    They’ve also filed a form with the SEC to withdraw from Wall Street.
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:44am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “What is going on here? We know pollies are not with it but this beggars belief.”
  When a dictator has absolute power they do not need to do anything. Small dissident groups will be forcefully squashed and disappear back into the woodwork as we have already seen and there will always be a “justification” manufactured for doing the same to the next lot. Sure there are meant to be a mechanisms to stop it in a democracy but they are well under control as well.
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:57am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It isn’t just the dictator with “absolute power” that’s pushing for the boosters though. It’s use~~ful~~less idiots such as Chris Bishop doing equal damage.
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:14am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Some names are best expunged from memory for one’s well being – “…. get boosted” is one of them. 🙂
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:23am
- artemisia
  
  MSD and Oranga Tamariki say they are ignoring Public Service Commission advice to pause firing the unvaxxed and going ahead anyway. Because reasons.
  May be class actions coming up but they won’t care because it’s only OPM.
  
  Their Ministers are aware, of course.
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:38am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Of course it is the actual workers getting fired not management. And others leaving because of ridiculous overloads so the departments just stop functioning.
    
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    March 13, 2022 1:30pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Fortuanately there is no worker shortage and plenty of qualified people scrambling to work for OT and MSD, so it makes sense…
    
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    March 13, 2022 2:55pm
G152

Can those who are providing rental free space in their head to an ex US President please find another obsession?
That ones getting a lot boring
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March 13, 2022 8:27am
- Nickc2
  
  I gave up thinking about Obama years ago G152.
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:53am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

I see a lot of people on Twitter are predicting Marja is about to make a tilt for the leadership. Others believe she was dropped on her head at birth.

https://twitter.com/MarjaLubeck/status/1502403964322861056
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March 13, 2022 8:31am
- pdm
  
  I thought Marja was still in MIQ.
  
  Are you allowed to tweet from there?
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:38am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  So if she won we would have a Trolley Dolly against the ex CEO
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You haven’t put up your positive-vibe receiving aerial this morning, Maggie Pie.
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m a lot like Marja in some ways Maggz….nothing much phases me 😀
    
    https://twitter.com/MarjaLubeck/status/1502383314375954434
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:04am
- Gravelroad
  
  And why should Maria not be the next PM @Maggie Pie?
  Precedent has already been set:
  List MP without a clue
  Social justice warrior
  Trade Unionist
  Experience in entertainment industry (air hostess)
  World traveller
  What more is needed to be a Prime Minister here?
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    Air hostess?
    That means she might tick another box. Experience with (inaudible).
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:09am
    - Gravelroad
      
      What is the difference between an air hostess and a DJ?
      One rolls the drinks trolley.
      The other spins the discs.
      Not exactly awe inspiring from a leadership perspective.
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Think you could be right Gravz…on that basis she’d be a Klomp in 😀
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:10am
  - Nickc2
    
    At least a Black Belt 10th Dan in Lying and Obfuscation.
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:14am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Would that be something Maggie. We go from a fish and chip shop worker to a trolley dolly as PM. Imagine Labours selection: right now ladies, put on your saddest face…….
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Marja is an idiot, I’ve had a few engagements with her. Definitely not the sharpest tool in the box.
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:21am
  - Nickc2
    
    Considering the size of the box and the bluntness of all the tools, that’s a pretty big call to make.
    No doubt, on the likelihood of probability you are right.
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:05am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No, in a box where most of the tools aren’t that sharp, she’s STILL not the sharpest tool in the box…
      
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      March 13, 2022 7:05pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    People who choose to become airplane waitresses as a career are unlikely to be of even average intelligence.
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:22am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Don’t be surprised Clan, another Unionist with zero experience at anything who thinks that the “feelz” of something should lead policy direction. Oh, and that spending other peoples money will solve everything. Sigh.
    
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    March 13, 2022 12:22pm
  - pdm
    
    `Engagements’ CM?
    
    Are you in love with Marja?
    
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    March 13, 2022 12:48pm
Black with a Vengeance

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The world vibe needs an injection of love and kindness with a healthy dose of empathy.

If anyone is thinking their hate and anger, vitriol and bitterness is helping, you’re deluded.

There’s enough ugliness out there that we don’t need more of it here.

In the immortal words of Ice Cube, that Nigga with an Attitude…

Check yaself before ya wreck ya self.
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March 13, 2022 8:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Sorely lacking in the institutional left you are so enamoured of. They are hate filled neo-authoritarians, with the nasty whiff of repressive 20th Century communism and fascist regimes about them.
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:27am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    See what I mean ?
    
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    March 14, 2022 4:57am
- Nukuleka
  
  Keep your casual racism to yourself, Blackie. Not welcome on KB.
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:42am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Which casual racism are you talking about Nukuleka?
    
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    March 13, 2022 12:23pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, if anyone else on here had used the “n” word (albeit spelt differently), I imagine their post would have been deleted and the commenter would have been censured.
    
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    March 13, 2022 1:34pm
  - Colville
    
    Nuku.
    
    Maybe you are not aware that Ice Cube was a member of possibly the greatest rap group ever.
    
    N.W.A.
    
    Niggas Wit Attitudes.
    
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    March 13, 2022 2:45pm
- cmm
  
  How does “love and kindness” roll with Vengeance?
  
  Perhaps relabel yourself as Black with Love?
  
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  March 13, 2022 6:47pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    There’s definitely an internal struggle, but I’m striking a healthy balance.
    
    The key is differentiating righteous anger from blind rage.
    
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    March 14, 2022 5:01am
Scooter

So Jacinda celebrated her parents 45th wedding anniversary on her public Facebook page by posting an intimate photo of her parents on their wedding day, seems abit weird to share that to the world. Can’t really see any other world leader doing the same.
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March 13, 2022 8:36am
- Ra Henare
  
  Desperation in trying to get nice “feelz” from her “”followers”” as her popularity plummets
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:39am
- KKKKatee
  
  Ardern is bored AF. Plus she’s got nothing meaningful or intelligent to talk about.
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:59pm
Mags

Damien Grant has done an excellent evisceration of Grant Robertsons catastrophic running of the economy in Stuff. I really hope that whoever the next government is, will dismantle the economic lunacy that this lot has foisted on us.
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March 13, 2022 8:50am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  I’d hardly call it an evisceration. More like an opinion piece of wishful thinking that Luxon, Seymour and Bridges will do what he wants to protect his wealth and privilege.
  
  There’s no guarantees they will because they, nor Grant have offered any real alternative.
  
  Teqm Blues promises of TaxCuts as an election bribe for the well to do is hardly revolutionary and fairly much expected.
  
  What else have they got in their bag ?
  
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  March 14, 2022 5:07am
  - Yabster
    
    repeating the garbage of the MSM and the left lol As DPF pointed out the biggest tax cut by % goes to the $60k earners- if thats “well to do” then you need to get a better job… maybe Librarian- as you seem to go there weekly- bit hyprocritcal of you though, built by tax from the stale pale males you hate so much, listening to french hip hop – the frenchies were big colonisers don’t yah know black? – hope you walk to the Library (shanks pony – you couldn’t actually use a pony imported also) as all other forms of transport are of course due to colonisation- yeah I am sure you walk everywhere… hypocrite lol
    
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    March 14, 2022 7:41am
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      Why are you so angry ?
      Are you a pale male whose stale views have made him frail ?
      I feel your pain!
      
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      March 14, 2022 9:58am
      - Yabster
        
        Angry no not at all -why would anything you post make anyone angry- your harmless enough-notice you didn’t answer the questions though? – my health is great thanks and I am probably younger than you Black – yes I am a Male – you possibly are also- not entirely sure on that, def European- very proud of that as you are of being Poloynesian- so don’t really understand your repeated use of pale, male, stale- I suppose your get your kicks from that and think it winds people up? – (good for you Black)- it is very repetitive though- yawn. Hope your enjoying those library facilities and are thankful for colonisation Black – and those pale stale males you love who paid for them- you do love them really don’t you Black- c’mon admit it… (note the correct spelling – no z in it unless your an American of course) – maybe thats your little protest lol have a wonderful day old boy.
        
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        March 14, 2022 11:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

At what point does the missing partner of the PM stop being a laughing matter for the MSM?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/an-ode-for-clarke-gayford

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/yesterdaze-but-my-brothers-mates-cousin-told-me-so
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March 13, 2022 8:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I had not noticed. Are we talking “missing” like fled Premier House for uncharted waters, or “missing” like ‘Stay in your room’? And either way who cares?
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:02am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s almost as though mention of his very name has been suppressed in some quarters.
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  There is a large social media group (22,000 members at last count) devoted to trying to locate this man/person (he/his/him).
  I don’t know why they would bother looking for someone with such a reputation- although……….
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:11am
- pdm
  
  aggy those two links and other rumours suggest he may not have been attending to his conjugal duties in recenttimes.
  
  May account for some of the faces pulled on the Poduium.
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:14am
  - pdm
    
    Ooops Maggy not aggy.
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did not see your ode link, I posted it below
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  His whereabouts is a badly kept secret
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:05am
- cmm
  
  It seems he has been airbrushed out of the picture like what happened when people lost favour with Stalin.
  
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  March 13, 2022 6:45pm
cmm

I would like to recommend a book called “Bad Blood” by John Carreyrou on the Theranos scandal.

It will blow any faith you have in FDA etc out of the water.

For those who don’t feel like committing to a whole book read, there are numerous short videos on youtube.
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March 13, 2022 9:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+ballard+of+the+dunny+roll&view=detail&mid=EE1E62EAFBE5AF6BE1BAEE1E62EAFBE5AF6BE1BA&FORM=VIRE
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March 13, 2022 9:12am
Justitia

The Ardern regime’s efforts to demonize the anti-mandate protestors reach a new level in the wake of this week’s 1 News/Kantar poll result. The protestors were in fact “rabid right” and “pedophiles”: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-wellington-protest-frontline-police-officer-says-it-was-a-war-zone/7HAS7DRUGJYGEMXCRAH6BCMYNE/

The unnamed cop who tells his sob story admits he was politically motivated and “champing at the bit” for a confrontation. So much for a politically neutral Police Force – long gone in New Zealand it seems.
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March 13, 2022 9:23am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  This police officer should be subject to internal discipline
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Victor Billot – An ode for … Clarke Gayford.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/an-ode-for-clarke-gayford
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March 13, 2022 9:28am
Warren

Will Tracy Martin’s Story on NZ First finally wipe Winston’s Peter’s attempt to return to Parliament after the 2023 General Election and bury NZ Firsts chances of becoming the next king maker after the next election.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/12/former-nz-first-mp-tracey-martin-reveals-election-defeat-relief/
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March 13, 2022 9:32am
- Jack5
  
  The last paragraph of that Tracy Martin story is interesting:
  
  Martin is currently a board member for Waka Kotahi, is the chair of NZQA, and led the working group on public media. In her spare time, she is writing a romance novel.
  
  From credit controller, to full-time Mum active in school and kindergarten affairs and community fund raising, to NZ First at its founding, to Cabinet Minister, to …
  
  Is the “working group on public media” a rubber-stamper for the bribery of the media, and the consolidation of State radio and State TV?
  
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  March 13, 2022 12:20pm
  - dubya
    
    I managed to get a sneak peek at her novel, it’s pretty steamy…
    
    “Stacey melted as Don pushed her back into the turquoise leather La-Z-Boy suite, and tore off her suede slouch boots with sensible heel, and statement jewellery carefully paired to her bifocal frames. She sought climax… but the feeling of guilt at betraying Peter Winston wouldn’t leave her mind…”
    
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    March 13, 2022 7:59pm
- Matt Long
  
  “Martin is currently a board member for Waka Kotahi, is the chair of NZQA, and led the working group on public media. In her spare time, she is writing a romance novel.”
  
  She would have been a large part of the reason NZF went with Labour, a throughly bad egg with no qualms about killing off disadvantaged children’s pathways to success.
  
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  March 13, 2022 12:54pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    Dumb as that Tracey Martin. And on a par with Ardern regarding her poor choice of shoes.
    
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    March 13, 2022 3:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  Geez, you wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with Tracy Martin. IMO, she’ll piss in the pockets of any Political Party or Organisation that’s prepared to give her oxygen and of course a wage packet.
  Did TVNZ ask her to do the interview with Tame just to take some of the heat off Cindy and throw some favorable light on this Govt?
  My guess is most certainly!
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:11pm
Tasman devil

The prime Muppet was always a sugar addicts best friend, great at the start, but later bad for their health.
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March 13, 2022 9:38am
Benedict Yu

“A prominent epidemiologist is warning Kiwis to brace for “collective grief”, with as many as 20 Covid deaths a day possible in coming weeks.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300539562/covid19-nzs-death-toll-could-soon-hit-20-a-day-warns-epidemiologist

There were 34,932 deaths in 2021 from all causes. That is 95 per day on average. The inference of the article is that we will see 20 deaths per day from COVID in addition to the existing average deaths of 95 per day from all other causes.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/births-and-deaths-year-ended-december-2021-including-abridged-period-life-table#:~:text=In%20the%20year%20ended%20December,the%20year%20ended%20December%202020

Will 2022 see significantly increased excess deaths due to COVID? I doubt it. It may be so insignificant as to be lost in the normal monthly and yearly fluctuations.
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March 13, 2022 9:43am
- emmess
  
  Correction: brace for the impact of the redefinition of covid deaths.
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:51am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Michael really should disappear back into obscurity and the MSM should stop encouraging him.
  
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  March 13, 2022 9:52am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  The epidemiologists have lost their relevance through over exposure in the media -the general public’s moving on. This is more about their own collective grief WRT their own disappearance into oblivion once again.
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:01am
- bennerg
  
  Yet sadly the semantics confuse.
  
  “Covid deaths” include:
  
  1. Those who die of something completely different – ie a car accident or shot in the head- but their body tested positive for covid.
  
  2. Those who have significant other comorbidities that are likely to be the “only reason” they died – but had been tested positive for covid.
  
  3. Those for whom Covid complicates an already sick body, and perhaps hastens the death process – much like pneumonia being known as the “old man’s friend”.
  
  4. Those with compromised immune systems which have difficulty dealing with any infection. Covid comes along and cannot be handled.
  
  People with good health don’t die from Covid.
  
  People with good health may not even notice it – the term being asymptomatic.
  
  Why is this basic information not communicated by our “health experts”? Why is there not a huge public campaign to improve general levels of health? Lose Weight etc. Also use of Vit-D & Zinc.
  
  My only answer is that they are not being “health experts”, they are being something else.
  
  Sadly my conclusion is that they are simply advocates for external business and political interests.
  
  Given the information we now have (and more to come I assume) from the “Pfizer Papers”, heads should roll. And I’m talking about Ashley, Soiuxie, Rod, Shaun, and Michael.
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:08am
  - westernScientest
    
    that and so much more:
    
    Deceased: Includes all cases that died who died within 28 days of being reported as a COVID-19 case. In some of these cases, the underlying cause of death may have been unrelated to COVID-19.
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases
    
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    March 13, 2022 11:39am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  When all is said and done the Excess deaths (number above ‘normal’) will probably be something like half the official omicron deaths – that is a substantial fraction of deaths will just be severely Ill switched from normal causes to omicron, not increasing overall number.
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Why are they always described as “prominent”? If they need such a credibility boost, it’s usually because they’re peddling political bullshit.
  
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  March 13, 2022 10:39am
- Ra Henare
  
  Yea Gods, havent we learnt to IGNORE any predictions from Baker and Jackson. The tame fearporn muppets in the Jacinda show.. humph
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:46am
Lee C

The ‘collective grief’ will be about the suicides, the business closures, the unemploymennt the family and marraige breakdowns, the still-born and the cripling economic debts these closen achieved as they tried to out-do each other in their globaloosed mini-clique to qualify as ‘Best Boy-Scout’ or ‘Best Girl Guide”.

It will be the dawning realisation for some that they were mistakenly cheerleading a genocidal agenda.

It will be those unable to look their kids in te eyes when they ask ‘What did you do to protect me?”.

In my opinion.
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March 13, 2022 10:16am
- Don Beckett
  
  Who knows, but maybe we will have an epidemic of excess deaths due to the ‘vaccine’ – there are some figures appearing overseas which suggest this. Time will tell.
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:46am
  - Little Tons
    
    Have you seen this yet? I cant recall where I found the link, it could have been on this forum for all I know, I’ve been reading up a fair bit lately:
    
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/dASUoQ92PTbD/
    
    Grant seems to have found some statistical evidence in that regard, at least it’s enough to warrant a more comprehensive look at it.
    
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    March 13, 2022 1:20pm
- Ehlana
  
  Guides and Scouts used to promise, on their honour, to do their best to do their duty to God and the Queen, to help other people and to keep the Guide/Scout Law.
  
  I’m not sure the chosen you refer to Lee would qualify to join under that standard. But as God and the Queen have now been replaced by “true to myself and develop my beliefs” and helping others by “(taking) action for a better world”, perhaps they will get in now.
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:18pm
oldfella

Powerline’s weekly roundup of US political humour. Remember when most Kiwi newspapers had political cartoonists worthy of that title. Yeah, so do I.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/the-week-in-pictures-biden-degringolade-edition.php
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March 13, 2022 10:58am
Master Mariner

A very article on Interest.co,nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/114805/russia%E2%80%99s-invasion-aggressive-economic-sanctions-deeply-globalised-world-will

“The brutal and misjudged Russian invasion of Ukraine has permanently changed the global economic and political context. Expect significant costs as global flows are disrupted, and also the emergence of a more explicitly political global economic system”

Will Russian Friendly nations join in a concerted , co-ordinated response to wreck Havoc on the West economically ? I believe Putin believes so.
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March 13, 2022 11:18am
- Master Mariner
  
  Same article,
  
  “And governments will need to manage national external exposures, invest in building strategic autonomy and supply chain resilience (military, energy, and so on), and manage the distributive consequences of disrupted global flows (higher energy, food prices)”.
  
  Pretty much what I’ve been saying on here for a while.
  
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  March 13, 2022 11:20am
I remember when

Just been supporting the local cafe scene.
Spent some time watching the use of the app and they were also using vaccination passports.
While the attention to the passport seemed rigorous, the use of the app was at best scarce.
It made me wonder what the science said.
Do you prevent more covid cases if you insist on passports or when they use the app.
The sort of thing Shaun Hendy could be gainfully employed doing.
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March 13, 2022 11:29am
I remember when

Just reading the local Neighbourly entry stating that their earliest appointment for a dental hygienist was September.
Doctor visits can mean a wait of three to six weeks especially if considered non-urgent.
Why is the government racing to introduce 3 Waters.
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March 13, 2022 11:33am
I remember when

The 1994 Ukraine agreement to the UN Budapest Memorandum.
Surely the Ukraine realised it only applied until the weapons were returned.
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March 13, 2022 11:37am
kevn

@Lee… I begged anyone we know with children, not to get their kids jabbed. I even begged Dr Shane Reti. To his credit, he did reply saying he would take it into account. I didn’t bother emailing angry little.
Bit harder with adults. So many coerced by the podium of bullsh*t, plus many other having to get jabbed to keep jobs. Like our rego nurse daughter. There is a lot of ‘buyer remorse’ in the jabbed community out there.
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March 13, 2022 12:07pm
- Lee C
  
  None of are immune from this scourge kevn.
  
  Everyone has been affected by it.
  
  It’s a f**n tragedy what these goons did to their own people.
  
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  March 13, 2022 1:14pm
- alloytoo
  
  Our unvaccinated youngest recovered quicker than us and his primary problem was telling his friends he couldn’t come out to play.
  
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  March 13, 2022 2:38pm
Jack5

Are National’s proposals for tax cuts the party’s strategy for the emerging inflation storm?

That’s what Liam Dann says in a light-weight piece about the problem in the Herald today:

The only evident plan to deal with inflation is the Reserve Bank’s cycle of interest rate rises – which will do nothing to ease the fears of anyone with a mortgage.

Then last Sunday, Luxon offered another solution – tax cuts.

Has Dann’s got National wrong. Or is Luxon suggesting they will help curb inflation?

That would mean National rejects a monetarist approach to the threat.
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March 13, 2022 12:51pm
CAKE FACE1

NZ is in short-term and long-term trouble, because socialism is normalised here.

The shortages and inflation that we see aren’t a bug of socialism – they are a feature.

Of course, the socialists will argue that the inflation is “foreign”, and forget the money printing, central bank interest rate inaction, and the huge “Covid” lolly scramble by Robertson. Per capita, we had the second most expensive Covid response in the world. Fuel to the inferno was added with huge year on year increases in minimum wage and benefits (for example, sick leave).

Socialism meant that were already on the path to poverty – the war in Ukraine has simply quickened our speed along this road.

If National wins the next election (I think that they will) the main issue will be that the media has been completely taken over by socialists. Maybe National wins despite this hostility – once. This won’t happen easily again. The media will chip away at any new government, and continue to advocate socialism, until they win back power again. New Zealand cannot afford a socialist shock every few years.

For the sake of the country, National need to crush the normalisation of socialism.

Nationals most important task (with ACT) will be to break the socialist monopoly in the mainstream media. They need to be preparing plans for this now. In the first term, National cannot afford to sit on their hands on this issue.

Privatising all State media would be a good start. Eliminate all media subsidies. The mainstream media that survive are unlikely to be hardcore socialists – these people can’t run businesses. This is why all socialists hide in non competitive jobs such as academia.

My fear would be that Mr Luxon is another John Key. Alas, Mr Key is partly responsible for our current state of affairs, by allowing socialists to take over all of our institutions (media, academia, courts etc).

Hopefully, Mr Luxon won’t repeat Mr Key’s mistakes.
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March 13, 2022 1:32pm
- GJM
  
  Won’t happen. The National Socialists are quite happy to continue down the path of socialism, but do it better.
  I think the only thing that will fix it is a Venezuela type collapse. Even a Greece may not be enough.
  
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  March 13, 2022 6:48pm
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  The tired ol reds under the bed trope…yawn
  
  …and telling National what they need to do sounds a bit authoritarian, almost dictatorial.
  
  Are you OK, because you seem a bit unhinged ?
  
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  March 14, 2022 5:21am
Hugh Jarse

Mahuta is running !, ticks a number of diversity boxes and will be supported by the powerful Māori caucus.
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March 13, 2022 2:05pm
Yvette

A covidiversion –

These are not the “3 Waters” droids you are looking for …
Mahuta admits getting things wrong with Three Waters reform
The Three Waters reform project was triggered by an outbreak of waterborne disease gastroenteritis in Havelock North in 2016. It led to the death of four people and made thousands more seriously ill.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/12/mahuta-admits-getting-things-wrong-with-three-waters-reform/

Is Mahuta telling what she thinks she got wrong, to divert you from what you know she got wrong, but she doesn’t mention

Havelock North was the supposed crux of what motivates “3 Waters” – what it is all hung on.
But the article does not mention the establishment mid last November of Taumata Arowai – … the new water services regulator for Aotearoa New Zealand, committed to ensuring all communities have access to safe drinking water every day [and also having] an oversight role in protecting the environment from the impacts of wastewater and stormwater
https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz .

Nor does the news item mention the 50-50 split in governance with Maori iwi, which is indeed counter to Article 3 – equality to [but not more so] British citizenship, of the Treaty of Waitangi, and if that conflicts with the other two Articles, bloody sort it out, and include Pacifika, Indians, Asians and others (Muslims are Us), and Don Brash.

“Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please” — Mark Twain
– or something like that
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March 13, 2022 2:37pm
- Swifty
  
  “ Is Mahuta telling what she thinks she got wrong, to divert you from what you know she got wrong, but she doesn’t mention….”
  
  Nailed it once again Yvette, that’s exactly what I took from that article.
  
  Without the divisive and unfair Maori co-governance boondoggle, the resistance to 3 Waters would have been a fraction of what it now is.
  
  She is openly trying to mislead us, once again.
  
  Labour treats us like ignorant peasants.
  
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  March 13, 2022 6:47pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    As agents of the Crown it is the governments moral imperative to treat us like ignorant peasants irrespective of their party affiliations.
    
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    March 14, 2022 5:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my FB newsfeed.
-Under Bush, Russia invaded Georgia.
-Under Obama, Russia invaded the Crimean peninsula.
-Under Biden, Russia invaded Ukraine.
-Under Trump, liberals invaded America.

Trump the only sitting US President in the last two decades to not have Russia invade a foreign territory.
We now know who the warmongers are
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March 13, 2022 2:51pm
- Lee C
  
  But, but .. he said ‘pussy’.
  
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  March 13, 2022 3:18pm
- MCōs
  
  Trump wasn’t there long enough
  
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  March 13, 2022 5:31pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    Trump wasn’t there long enough
    
    Don’t panic, he’s coming back.
    
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    March 13, 2022 8:29pm
  - Matt Long
    
    13 months was enough time for Biden.
    
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    March 13, 2022 8:55pm
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  We now know who the warmongers are
  ___________
  
  Would that be Russia then, Einstein?
  
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  March 14, 2022 5:31am
fredonas

From the ACT email news letter today: “Rod Drury, Graeme Hart, Stephen Jennings, Craig Turner, Grant Baker, in total ten people so far have made reportable donations this month. They are not normally political people, but they say that enough is enough from this Government. Altogether we have raised nearly one million dollars this month. That is almost as much as we raised in all of 2021”
“Two years ago we asked people, ‘are you open to voting ACT,’ only 16 per cent were. Today that figure is 51 per cent of all voters.”
Seems like some voter momentum is building for 2023 ?
This has a distinctly Bob Jones New Zealand Party 1984 election vibe to it. I can hear Bob Dylan’s “The Times, They Are A-Changin'” on a loop in my head.
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March 13, 2022 2:57pm
Warren

Labour start fundraising early with Jacinda Ardern asking $25 a zoom ticket, to take questions,
but she won’t be taking them in the the name of Prime Minister.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-starts-fundraising-drive-with-25-a-ticket-zoom-
call/VA3TZ7AXQJUJ4JVLNKBIQ3Z2KU/
I sincerely hope that they will have moderation on hand as Jacinda Ardern has a problem with the truth with many inferring she is a compulsive liar.
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March 13, 2022 3:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Got a spare $25, folks?

Labour has the begging bowl out
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-starts-fundraising-drive-with-25-a-ticket-zoom-call/VA3TZ7AXQJUJ4JVLNKBIQ3Z2KU/

Who could be bothered paying to talk to the PM?

She wasn’t interested in talking to ordinary NZers a few weeks ago.

What makes Labour think that she has anything to say now?
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March 13, 2022 3:20pm
- Lee C
  
  They are working on thr assumption they’ll clean up taking cash fromm everyone who want to tell her to eff-off, is my guess.
  
  “Don’t tell Cindy, she wouldn’t get it.”
  
  Is possibly a by-line at HQ.
  
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  March 13, 2022 3:25pm
- alloytoo
  
  Sorry Jacinda, I’m not that cheap, my presence will cost you a lot more than $25.
  
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  March 13, 2022 4:30pm
Lee C

This just in: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10216047787427498&set=a.10203424532534015
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March 13, 2022 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Blow jobs – Bill Clinton.
No jobs – Obama.
More jobs – Donald Trump.
Nut job – Joe Biden
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March 13, 2022 3:43pm
Maggie Pie

And imagine if Julie-Anne Genter had never come to New Zealand in the first place….

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1502414854334087169
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March 13, 2022 3:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She gets a salary for spreading propaganda and dumbness
  
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  March 13, 2022 3:58pm
  - Mike
    
    While you do that for free with links to your favourite websites.
    
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    March 13, 2022 4:36pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The woman is an utter twit. EV subsidies are rolled gold way of transferring wealth from poor people to rich people. And because petrol is in the ETS the impact on emissions is zero. ?
  
  A colleague in Christchurch recently dropped 85 000 on a BMW EV. He was laughing at the subsidy he received. BTW his second car is a V8 Land cruiser.
  
  JAG may not be the dumbest MP. But she is certainly up there. And she is annoying as hell. ?
  
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  March 13, 2022 4:34pm
  - kiwiracer
    
    Interesting comment buddy, anything over $80k doesn’t qualify, someone’s being economical with the truth
    
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    March 13, 2022 5:00pm
  - MCōs
    
    The point of the subsidy is to encourage people, whoever they are, to buy EVs.
    Seems it’s worked in the case of your colleague.
    I don’t know much about the petrol consumption of of his V8, but some oil company must be laughing every time he goes to the petrol station.
    
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    March 13, 2022 5:26pm
    - tf78
      
      You mean those vehicles that run courtesy of Indonesian coal – those ones.
      
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      March 13, 2022 6:42pm
  - kevn
    
    @BY… A parking consultant I understand.
    
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    March 13, 2022 5:41pm
  - gump
    
    >A colleague in Christchurch recently dropped 85 000 on a BMW EV. He was laughing at the subsidy he received
    
    No he didn’t.
    
    The EV subsidy only applies to vehicles that cost less than $80,000
    
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    March 13, 2022 5:51pm
    - Batman
      
      Even funnier if he was big noting about how much he spent, when in reality he penny pinched and got the base model to squeeze under $80k ??
      
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      March 13, 2022 5:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And 4 bucks a ltr for gas….is how you gonna the poor people to buy EV’s.
    
    Not silly….
    
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    March 13, 2022 5:59pm
    - Nickc2
      
      ALL energy prices will rise proportionally. We will need Diesel for Logistics purposes, Coal for Power Generation, and Electricity for everything else, including charging EVs.
      Either get a pay rise or buy a bicycle and Grow your own food.
      
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      March 13, 2022 9:51pm
greybeard

Australian women’s cricket team: 269
NZ Lesbians team: 128
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March 13, 2022 5:02pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That’s a bit unkind.
  
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  March 13, 2022 5:10pm
  - greybeard
    
    Sorry. My mistake.
    What I meant to say was :
    “Australian Lesbian’s team: 269
    NZ Lesbians team: 128”.
    
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    March 13, 2022 6:36pm
- Prince
  
  Try not to be an idiot.
  
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  March 13, 2022 5:38pm
  - Mike
    
    That’s a very hard ask in his case.
    
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    March 13, 2022 6:53pm
KKKKatee

We had sudden death in Hong Kong 15 days ago. A very difficult place to get in and out of at the moment so we’ve had to support our daughter & 2 small children from afar. In the good old days, we could’ve got there within 48 hours. Our girl has had to deal with this horrible situation on her own. She’s had to identify his unembalmed body pre & post autopsy then had to re-identify his body prior to the funeral director uplifting his body. It’s been absolutely bizarre and our girl is traumatised beyond belief. Her last wish was to dress his embalmed body but because decomposition had set in, that wasn’t possible. He was finally cremated 12 days after his death. We have so many tears for her and the small children. ???
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March 13, 2022 5:36pm
- tf78
  
  So sorry to hear that, all our warmest thoughts and prayers.
  
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  March 13, 2022 6:50pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  So very sorry to hear of your loss. My sincere condolences.
  
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  March 13, 2022 6:54pm
Warren

Revealed Kainga Ora spent over $24 million of taxpayers money in four years on its own renovations dipite thousands of state houses not meeting the healthy home standards.
Newshub can revealKainga Ora spent millions doing up there own facilities dispite state house urgently needing to be up to standard for the healthy homes laws.
While Housing Minister Megan Woods says that is a good thing because it means the agency is growing, National disagrees.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/revealed-kainga-ora-spent-over-24m-of-taxpayer-money-in-four-years-on-its-own-office-renovations.html
This is more arrogance from a Minister out of control and a Prime Minister that lacks Leadership.
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March 13, 2022 7:23pm
Maggie Pie

I see they’re saying Kaianga Ora spent over $24 mill in the last couple of years….RENOVATING THEIR OFFICE!!

Megan Woods has refused to comment. LOL!!!
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- Nostradamus
  
  It’s good if people post links to articles so others can read them too. As it happens, Megan Woods has commented, but fluffed her lines:
  
  But when asked how bad the millions of dollars on office upgrades looks, Woods had a different perspective. “This looks very good. This shows an organisation that is being rebuilt over a four-year period from an organisation that had been scaled down into a flog off agency of state houses.”
  
  It’s a change in tune from Labour when it was in opposition in 2016 and Housing New Zealand spent $3 million on an office upgrade. “It’s just not on really,” said the party’s then-housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.
  
  This is obviously what Jacinda meant when she said she’d fix the housing crisis!
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I heard them SAYING it on the News silly….how am i spossed to lnk to that?
    
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    March 13, 2022 9:26pm
Nickc2

Asked about Kainga Ora’s massive spend up ($24,ooo,ooo.oo) on its own premises, Megan Woods stated:
“This looks very good. This shows an organisation that is being rebuilt over a four-year period from an organisation that had been scaled down into a flog off agency of statehouses.”
How arrogant of this Minister.
Perhaps she’s seen the writing on the wall and knows she will have to find a new trough urgently.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/revealed-kāinga-ora-spent-over-24m-of-taxpayer-money-in-four-years-on-its-own-office-renovations/ar-AAUZXtc?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
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March 13, 2022 8:33pm
- Colville
  
  KO built a 3 level, city block sized office in Napier recently, would have to be $10 mil…
  
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  March 13, 2022 8:52pm
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    A future Maori Gang Pad?
    
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    March 13, 2022 10:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

FFS!

The av house price at the start of 2021 was $560,000.

KO could have purchased houses throughout NZ and housed at least 40 families for that spend-up.
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