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NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s less than two years since oil hit -$37 per barrel

bbc.comhttps://www.bbc.com › news › bus…US oil prices turn negative as demand dries up – BBC News
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March 8, 2022 8:00am
- Matt Long
  
  Ahh, the first lockdown, fun times and even then Ardern was late to the party, if the Wuflu made in China to good old USA gain of function design, had really been deadly half of NZ would have died.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:56am
- westernScientest
  
  and today it is up around $120usd
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:58am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Heh Cindy. Australia has sent $70M worth of missiles to Ukraine to fight for freedom and democracy. What have you done. Oh thats right. Your waiting for your orders from Beijing.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:56am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    We could send some light armoured vehicles. We have a whole bunch of unused ones in storage.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:16am
  - DistantObserver
    
    Oh please Australia has precisely 60 tanks for 7.7 million km2. It should look a little closer to home before contributing to the start of WWIII.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:55am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      You can’t defend a continent’s borders with tanks. Why would anyone think that is relevant?
      
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      March 8, 2022 12:25pm
      - DistantObserver
        
        Because one should be able to defend their own country before getting involved in somebody elses. Australia would be 6 relatively small nukes away from extinction in any war.
        
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        March 8, 2022 1:21pm
      - Batman
        
        That’s basically just resigning the world to be divided up by the large powers.
        
        It’s a fairly repugnant idea, to be honest.
        
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        March 8, 2022 1:43pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Precisely. And in the meantime, it is building a pretty formidable RAAF strike force, with F18s & F35s. Over the last 30 years they have also been building air force bases up in the North West defensive capability, as well as offensive operations against an invader.
        
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        March 8, 2022 1:24pm
      - Rusty
        
        Didn’t once upon a time our NZ air force have a strike wing of 12 Aremacchi jets?
        
        Oh, that’s right, Helen Clarke said because they were never used in a combat situation they were a waste of time and money!
        
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        March 8, 2022 1:37pm
      - DistantObserver
        
        Airforce F18 & F35’s are one thing but if you have seen the F35 at a US air-show you’ll note it is a dog compared to the F22 and even the older F16. A real boondoggle to the defence community though.
        At US$100million+ per plane you better hope you’re not going to lose too many or have them fall off aircraft carriers.
        
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        March 8, 2022 3:45pm
      - Batman
        
        The F-35 is not designed to be better than either the 22 or the 16.
        
        The 22 is a twin engine air dominance stealth fighter.
        
        The 16 is a lightweight dog fighter and occasional interceptor.
        
        The 18 is a twin engine longer range multi-role fighter. Not stealth.
        
        The 35 is a single engine multi-role stealth fighter with interdiction and ground attack capabilities.
        
        You are comparing apples with cheese in order to presumably make some point about the weaknesses of the US military.
        
        Yes the 35 has had issues, partly due to its high profile and cutting edge technologies which have proved hard to nail down. But it should not be underestimated or written off, it can see and kill from a distance and has picked off 22s during war games.
        
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        March 8, 2022 6:01pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        No Rusty, they were Skyhawks – and an extremely capable strike aircraft it was. Furthermore, our pilots were considered among the best in the world – so when the Skyhawks were mothballed, the UK, Oz and US air forces welcomed our pilots with open arms.
        
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        March 8, 2022 3:50pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Australia has more Defence Acquisitions out for tender or in the process of being built than you can poke a stick at.
      They see their country as worth protecting from enemies current/future or imagined. Australians may disagree as to how/what Military Hardware is worth purchasing/building but at least their Govt and Opposition (with the exception of the Greens) are united the need.
      We on the other hand, we are blinkered/blind as to the requirement for Defence and couldn’t identify an enemy even when one of their Tanks poked its barrel through our front door.
      Wake up NZ, forget our internal squabbles, and concentrate on protecting and maintaining our country and lifestyle(s) at all costs.
      Yes, we are a small and insignificant country at the bottom of the world but we do have stuff other countries don’t and want.
      That said, we also lack stuff other countries have and we need (oil & gas) and we can only get that through cooperation, commitment, and dependability (Treaty(s)).
      
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      March 8, 2022 1:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She told Russia that she will not respond to their emails. Probably blacklisted them
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:25pm
  - banksie
    
    We can send our airforce! Oh, wait….
    
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    March 8, 2022 3:03pm
Warren

Cost of living could be a tougher mountain to climb than peak omicron.
Addressing the tax brackets is not a sexy political sell, but the erosion to peoples earning power due to the Government’s refusal to adjust the threshold is real and painful.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/127978246/cost-of-living-could-be-a-tougher-mountain-to-climb-than-peak-omicron
This is what Greedy lazy Government’s do to the ones they know have to vote for them.
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March 8, 2022 8:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh,oh… but that’s not what Our Dear PM thinks…
  
  She thinks people’s incomes are rising relative to the cost of living…
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUzrMFJVE0
  
  Now if I was completely divorced from working folk on struggle street, I might think that too.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    Maggy, what would you know? She has personal experience and she’s just a normal person like you and me!
    
    A few years ago she was on about $180k a year and now she’s on $480k + perks like a free plane etc – call it $600k.
    
    So clearly this nonsense about struggle street is just a political hit-job!
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:12am
  - Phronesis
    
    She must have forgotten her public sector pay freeze. Which includes the doctors and nurses who will be lining up to leave the country now that borders have opened and they have had an effective 10% pay cut in the last two years.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tell me what she said please
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:30pm
- kowtow
  
  When an opinion poll shows the cost of living has displaced covid as Enzedders primary concern and the PM says inflation isn’t a crisis , then the media should ask her the gottcha type , ambush question so beloved of the reporters in Oz ;
  
  “How much is a loaf of bread ”
  
  But they wouldn’t dare .
  
  That woman has never been in touch . Plenty of talk , no walk .
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:56am
  - I remember when
    
    Butter, cheese and milk would be more interesting.
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:22pm
Tomtoddy

I may be over-egging the omelette but over the last week there have been questions about our lack of sanctions against Russia. They invariably raised questions about the “Government’s” lack of action with war photos.

Now at last there have been a few tentative moves it is “Jacinda Ardern” takes action on sanctions with pics of her looking serious and thoughtful. Subtle? If you challenged you would be pinpricking. But it is a matter of constant reinforcement and relentless craftiness. They have done it before because they know it works.
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March 8, 2022 8:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Mike Hosking just skewered Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta on ZB over the issue of Russian sanctions. Her performance on the interview was so bad it could be described as Poto-esque!
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:04am
  - Rumblestrip
    
    I cringe whenever I remember that Mahuta represents us to the world. She certainly didn’t become foreign minister by merit.
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:24am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I was astounded to find that she has been in Parliament for 26 years. What were her achievements before this new gig?
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:35am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Labour caucus’s shiniest bum award 1996-2017, perennially regarded as abysmally lazy and useless.
        
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        March 8, 2022 8:40am
      - bjools
        
        Ask for actual achievements of ANY Labour MP.
        
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        March 8, 2022 8:45am
      - Rumblestrip
        
        Apparently very little! She seems to have cruised up the Labour ranks as so-called “Maori royalty” (daughter of a prominent Maori politician, granddaughter of the Maori king).
        
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        March 8, 2022 8:53am
      - Matt Long
        
        She was totally on the outer until Jacinda, I guess different tribal alliances rose to the fire.
        
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        March 8, 2022 8:59am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Faction representative
        
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        March 8, 2022 9:06am
      - Northshoredoc
        
        “What were her achievements before this new gig?”
        
        She has achieved next to nothing apart from being part of the Maori aristocracy.
        
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        March 8, 2022 9:11am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        So just another career parasite. Anyone studying politics with the intent of using it as a career path should be barred from ever actually becoming one.
        
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        March 8, 2022 9:24am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        To quote Scribe:
        
        Not many, if any…
        
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        March 8, 2022 2:41pm
    - RF
      
      Remember when Labour was sorting out who would be the new leader, Mahuta was Cunners running mate.
      
      That did not finish well for both.
      
      Nothing has changed….
      
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      March 8, 2022 9:35am
      - Nickc2
        
        ClanMcleod @9:42AM
        Take it easy, applying logic will wipe out the entire Labour Party.
        
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        March 8, 2022 11:35am
    - David George
      
      She said her proudest achievement was getting the moko. I’m not making this up, who could?
      
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      March 8, 2022 10:42am
      - Nickc2
        
        Her appearance on TV should be preceeded with health and viewing age warnings.
        
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        March 8, 2022 11:31am
      - Ehlana
        
        She was 26 when she entered Parliament in 1996. She had an MA (Hons) from Auckland, having studied social anthropology and Maori business development, then worked as a researcher/ archivist at the same University.
        
        Her next activity seems to have been in 2004, opposing the initial readings of the Foreshore and Seabed legislation, before supporting it in the third reading. From 2005 – 2008 she was a Cabinet minister (Customs, Youth Development, Local Government and associate Environment), and she held Local Government and Maori Development in the first term of the current Labour government, before being appointed to Foreign Minister in 2020.
        
        I really don’t see what accomplishments or experience she has that prepare her for her current role.
        
        Perhaps there was just no-one else more qualified?
        
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        March 8, 2022 5:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Is that the same Mike Hosking who so confidently predicted Russia would not invade Ukraine?
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:27am
    - bjools
      
      When….link please…I have looked and can’t find it.
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:44am
    - amospicton
      
      Does that make his skewering of Mahuta any less embarrassing for the minister????
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:57am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Perhaps not. It does no harm to remind people that Hosking is a pundit – whose punditry is so consistently wrong.
        
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        March 8, 2022 10:18am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        We defer to your greater experience with punditry a million miles from the point, milky
        
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        March 8, 2022 2:03pm
    - RoboRob
      
      So what. Any logical person would have come to that conclusion. Putin made a major miscalculation which most thought he was too smart to make.
      
      Lets hope that all those saying he wont use nukes are right this time.
      
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      March 8, 2022 9:11am
    - Yabster
      
      as usual irrelevant to Mahutas performance- usual left tactic- divert divert or just lie.
      
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      March 8, 2022 9:22am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Yep, the guy that predicted we were going to still win America’s cup when Jimmy Spittal made the amazing comeback.
      
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      March 8, 2022 9:39am
    - rjay
      
      To be fair Hosking is a radio broadcaster with opinions based on public ly available knowledge. Mahuta is the Foreign Affairs Minister backed by a bureaucracy that will have tried to brief her. Most people, on this blog anyway, can tell the difference.
      
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      March 8, 2022 10:14am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      That’s what you get when you give OPINIONS mike. And Hosking has always said that he is not a journo, but a media personality that provides opinions. And guess what? He dominates in NZ radio, and has done for a long time. So people like to listen to what he has to say.
      
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      March 8, 2022 10:39am
  - Ultima
    
    That was a trainwreck of an interview, we are providing blankets to keep the Ukrainians warm. I hope we are not an embarrassment to the world.
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:37am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Your hope is in vain.
      
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      March 8, 2022 10:53am
  - Scooter
    
    Is [deleted by Mod, personal attack on appearance, see commenting guidelines] represent NZ ever and possibly the most grating to listen to after JA
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:46am
    - Scooter
      
      [It was and is a breach of the comments policy, regardless of your view. Don’t argue with Mods]
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:12pm
  - virtualmark
    
    The thing is … Nanaia Mahuta just isn’t very smart. So she can parrot back pre-prepared talking points (which she’s probably reading off a page in front of her). But she can’t think fast enough on her feet to respond to anything other than patsy questions.
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:25pm
    - Trev
      
      Sounds like Ardern.
      
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      March 8, 2022 5:12pm
- Master Mariner
  
  The thing that interests me is why do the International media know before NZ citizens at home ?
  
  https://www.reuters.com/world/new-zealand-expands-sanctions-russia-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-03-07/
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/7/new-zealand-south-korea-announce-new-sanctions-on-russia
  
  Are we not allowed to Know because the Internal Covid deception worked so well !
  
  The timing for release appears to be for breakfast in Northern hemisphere///
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:10am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Out of interest, Was there much on 6pm news?
    
    The release was 1730 hrs LMT ( NZ time) Just in time for morning Breakfast in Northern Hemisphere.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Relentless craftiness’ translated means ‘ cunning as a shithouse rat
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:34pm
iMP

“Housing crisis: Homeless mother of six ( Hawkes Bay) says she was forced to pitch a tent during storm.”

This is not my NZ. Goodbye Labour 2023.
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March 8, 2022 8:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Mother of 7, including a new born baby. There’s clearly more to this story than the media are reporting. For starters, where are the fathers?
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:20am
  - fisho
    
    The fathers were “pitching a tent” elsewhere.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:07am
  - oldfella
    
    Karl du Fresne has just weighed in on this story. Always worth a read.
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-continuing-mystery-of-missing-men.html
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:14pm
    - Jack5
      
      Karl’s next story, under the one linked to by Oldfella, is also worth a read.
      
      Conflict within the Peace Centre at Otago University:
      
      https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/03/otago-university-pioneers-new-approach.html
      
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      March 8, 2022 2:10pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  And you were such a solid Labour supporter, too.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:27am
  - Simon
    
    The standards of the Labo Party fluffers has really dropped off recently. Not that it was too high in the first place.
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:37am
  - RoboRob
    
    Mike, as you are a potential Labour voter and someone who is politically aware, I am interested in how you feel with regards to Labours performance.
    
    1. Would you (still) vote Labour?
    2. How does Labours acheivements around housing, poverty, education and health compare to what was promised. Do you feel these areas are better or worse than they were 5 years ago?
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I generally vote against whoever is the incumbent government.
      In this comment thread, though, I am more interested in which political movement John Stringer will be supporting next – hopefully an entertaining coalition of evangelicals, the vaccine hesitant, ‘new’ conservatives, and the Peters cult.
      
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      March 8, 2022 10:22am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, I read ‘solid’ as ‘thick’ when referring to Labour supporters.
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:15am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Yep Inandout, and when Labour say “vulnerable”, I always replace with stupid. I reckon that’s about right 90% of the time.
      
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      March 8, 2022 10:41am
- artemisia
  
  Yes tough for that family but 6 children including a baby, low income, bad credit, previous record with emergency housing providers, 25,887 on the social housing waiting list and minus 1 public homes delivered in January 2022.
  
  High risk for a private landlord, due in large part to this government’s policies but also apparently her own choices.
  
  No point in blaming MSD. They don’t buy or build houses.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:30am
  - Max Howler
    
    An article by David Faulkner on active bonds, and why the shit hasn’t hit the fan yet, and will get a whole lot worse without a reversal (of at least some of the anti landlord policy changes done recently – IMO)
    
    “…..For the final quarter in 2021, New Zealand lost over 3,500 active bonds. Landlords are selling up and rents are going up. Is it a coincidence that the Government ruling on interest deductibility started at the same time as the decline?”
    
    https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6903950487633170432/
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:39am
- Nickc2
  
  Over the last two days, I’ve witnessed a Maori woman walking up and down the median strip on Glenfield Road (Akld) begging for money from vehicles stopped at the Traffic Lights.
  There’s a Police Station approx 250 meters away and no action has been taken to prevent this practice AFIK.
  Such people receive taxpayer money due to the situation they apparently find themselves in.
  Why is this practice of begging allowed to continue, especially when we are screaming out for tourists?
  It’s not a good look!
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:43am
  - MCōs
    
    You never been to a big city in another country?
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:56am
    - Nickc2
      
      I’ve been around the world a few times. What I’ve seen overseas, doesn’t mean I have to witness it here. Clearly, it’s not the image we should be promoting (given the amount of money we spend in order to prevent it).
      
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      March 8, 2022 11:42am
      - MCōs
        
        Nobody’s promoting it anywhere, let alone in God’s own.
        I often see the same beggars in Mangere Bridge & Onehunga. I’ve seen people thinly disguised as buskers down there too, plus one guy who’s very good on the guitar although I noticed once when he stopped to answer the phone the music carried on.
        
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        March 8, 2022 1:49pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Rather than a snide comment, think about it.
      I have seen all sorts of beggars in several different overseas countries. I actually give money to beggars overseas. People without faces, or limbs, or black faced and filthy with dust from the gutter. Seeing families actually living under bridges breaks my heart, when they can’t even access safe drinking water. NZ has no comparison to the poverty of overseas. Here they are obese and drunk POS far too often.
      
      Visible begging is a more recent phenomenon in NZ, and getting more and more common as we accept it. We should be ashamed, and we shouldn’t accept it.
      We are the WELFARE STATE and everyone gets an income of some sort. Round them up, wrap support around any with genuine need – but in all instances trespass or move them on. Into facilities if need be. Rough sleeping in the CBD is not permissible.
      
      Begging in general needs to be dealt with, but even more so, begging in actual traffic is different to begging on the side of the road.
      I haven’t seen beggars roaming in traffic overseas, but in NZ, I have.
      If you can’t sell coffee or conduct business in the actual roadway then you shouldn’t be able to ask for money either.
      For obvious reasons.
      
      Along with the states’s social services, Police need to start doing their friggin jobs, as NZ seems to be coming apart at both ends between the lazy and the entitled and the actual dangerous and crazy.
      
      The government squanders hundreds of millions on trying to create ‘equity’. How about some infrastructure to support the most desperate?
      Pamphlets and elevator buttons Te Reo and nose-flutes added to Covid 19 ads are not the answer.
      
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      March 8, 2022 1:58pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Well said. I can’t disagree with any of it.
        
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        March 8, 2022 3:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That Police Station is a place to leave the car, turn off the phone, put your feet up, and have a coffee and rest
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:38pm
    - Nickc2
      
      and that’s on a busy day!
      
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      March 8, 2022 2:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All those kids are named (insert here) but all those kids have different surnames
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:36pm
CAKE FACE1

In 2010, I was in Krakow, during the worst floods for 100 years.

I was in the last tour group that went to see Auschwitz Birkenau for a while. They were moving exhibits to safety, because the river Vistula had broken its banks.

Birkenau felt like death. It was wind swept and five degrees Celsius in Autumn. It was without question the most disturbing experience of my life.

I cannot put into words the feelings that I got from Birkenau. I suppose I’ve tried to process the experience ever since.

It is easy to completely blame the Nazi leaders. Most were evil – there is no doubt about it. However, that explanation is too cartoonish, and too simple. The past two years have made me reappraise my views.

What I have realised is that if the State requires people to do something immoral, people typically believe that this somehow absolves themselves of responsibility for acting in an immoral manner.

Here, the State said that unvaccinated people were limited with regards to church services. This is clearly contrary to Christian practice. Jesus hugged the lepers. Yet the church leaders generally followed the rules. Why didn’t the church hierarchy simply ignore these rules? I’m still shocked by the compliance.

The State stopped people visiting dying parents. The nurses accepted this, even though in normal circumstances, this would be an unspeakable practice. Why didn’t the hospital hierarchy simply ignore these rules? Again, I’m still shocked by the compliance.

The State stopped funerals. Again, the population meekly accepted everything. Why didn’t the funeral directors simply ignore these rules? I still can’t understand the compliance.

People collaborated with the most outrageous crimes against humanity imaginable, with barely a whimper, because of the threat of a bad flu hanging over their heads. However, they had an excuse for their behaviour – it was mandated by the government.

In all these Covid cases, people in normal circumstances would be ashamed of their behaviour. However, in this case, they would say that they had no choice but to follow orders. The government was supposedly acting for the greater good. In this case, normal moral conventions no longer applied, it is argued. Also, they might be afraid of the punishment for breaking the rules.

Of course, all these excuses were used by the German people, to deflect from their guilt in collaborating with the Nazis. Without the collaboration of the people, the holocaust could never have happened.

There are maximum about ten percent of people that have a higher risk tolerance than is normal, and are also more of individualist thinkers than most. This people aren’t more
selfish – in this case, it means the opposite. Maybe some people working at a hospital saw some people wanting to visit a dying relative, and simply allowed it. Maybe some broke the rules, given that the rules were immoral? I hope so, but maybe not many.

I think that New Zealand’s people outsourced their morality to Cindy. I think that Cindy is evil, and I’d like to completely blame her, but in good conscience, I can’t do this (at least not exclusively).

The reason is that the blame lies with the people, or about 90% of us, if the polls are be to believed (and the polls seem accurate).

Most of us (statistically at least) collaborated with unspeakable crimes against humanity. The reasons we did so are human – all too human.

Mulling over our conduct over the past two years is uncomfortable.

If the similar circumstances repeat themselves – will everyone act the same way again?

I think that although the majority of people didn’t support the protests, many people are beginning to realise that they were scammed by the media and government over Covid. The overstated risks led to a hysterical response. They will be quietly embarrassed by their conduct over the past two years.

Personally, this will be my last post on Covid. It is time to move on.
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March 8, 2022 8:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’ll only move on when mandates, vax passes and emergency powers are revoked with a guarantee that this sort of human rights abuse will never happen again. Also a number of high profile people need to be held to the highest account.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:29am
  - a3catlady
    
    I truly want to see that people are held to account for the abuse of our human rights, starting at the top. I have never seen such a catastrophic failure of leadership.
    I have hope that people are slowly but surely starting to see what has happened as abuse rather than being stuck in “fear” and parroting “oh but we have saved thousands of lives”.
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That’s quite an extended riff on the ‘public health measures = Nazis’ nonsense.
  Congratulations.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:30am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Though the Nazi-public health measures equation is hyperbolic, the extended riff is really on our willingness/ability to maintain our individual empathy and judgement, and stand up at personal cost to dubious, coercive government policies.
    
    CAKE FACE has raised, in the context of the response to Covid 19, universal and awkward questions.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:49am
  - coge
    
    This is why mandates will be slow to be removed. Because these conversations do not want to be had, by those who freely and eagerly participated.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:51am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    So where is my Covid Passport.
    
    Had the Covid, recovered from the Covid, have the Antibodies.
    
    So where is my Apartheid passport.
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nope, no Passport until you take the experimental medication twice.
      ‘Nobody will be forced to take the vaccine, and those who opt out will not be punished’ or something. Love Jaspinda
      
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      March 8, 2022 1:45pm
  - I remember when
    
    With the Ukraine war I looked at some material on cyborg soldiers.
    The additional of foreign equipment into the body to enhance performance.
    US personnel were asking questions about the morality of doing this without the soldier’s consent.
    I thought ‘that’s not a very long piece of string.’
    
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    March 8, 2022 2:02pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Cake, watch Jordan Peterson “we are all Nazi’s” clip on You Tube. It gives an insight into what makes ordinary people become pure evil. If WW2 had never happened, some of the perpetrators involved in the extermination of Jews would have lived their lives as Lawyers, Accountants, shop workers etc, they would have loved their families, looked after their neighbours, not thought bad things of Jews and not many would have heard of them.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:39am
- ISeeRed
  
  It isn’t time to “move on” for those of us still being mandated out of our jobs even now! I have seen the banality of evil. It wears many faces and uses beautiful caring kind words about “keeping everyone safe”.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:12am
- nathie
  
  “Jesus hugged the lepers”.
  
  On that point, over the last few days I had been thinking how the likes of Marae’s and DOC camping grounds don’t want to take in that last group of protesters in Wellington.
  
  I’m guessing that these last group of protesters may include within them, anti-mandaters, anti-vaxxers and Green/leftie/hippie/unemployed types (but not the violent extremists that turned up to cause trouble at the protest).
  
  But over the last few days I have been amazed to see these people are being treated like lepers.
  
  (What’s wrong with this picture? Even the Mongrel Mob and crims get a Govt funded, warm place to stay at)!
  
  Citizens (Marae’s and DOC) are treating these people like lepers … because the State (Labour) have claimed that these are bad people (“ferals” – Mallard, “rivers of filth” – Michael Wood, “imported, violent, far-right etc” – Ardern).
  
  Just like the way you have identified!
  
  We live in divided times, thanks to Labour’s actions!
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:47am
- glowworm
  
  I too visited Krakow, about 20 years ago, but back then I was a risk taking young explorer, and an ignorant Labour/greens supporting fool.
  
  I would most certainly have been a Good German and an Ordinary Man.
  
  I wasn’t brave, nor wise enough to visit Auschwitz. Instead, choosing the much more homely (to me at least), salt mine nearby.
  
  Thank you Cake, amazing comment.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:59am
- Ohm my
  
  A KBer posted a few days ago about the ‘Milgram Experiment – on obedience to authority figures’, and its relevance to the last two years/covid. Thank you to that person – I followed it up and found it helpful in trying to understand why supposedly sane people in my life have lost their marbles.
  Only a couple of months before Covid SHTF I visited Cambodia. Like you, it was the most disturbing experience in my life, visiting S-21 in PP, and the SR War Museum. Perhaps because of the closeness of time between the two (Cambodia and covid) I have been acutely aware of our government and media working hand in hand, and some people’s unquestioning obedience. It’s been a difficult two years for me, trying to understand why people are so happy to not question and simply obey, and worst of all dob others in.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:16am
  - tavita
    
    I was working in Cambodia about 20 years ago. It was wonderful to see how these people had recovered from the horrors they had been through. But also frightening to think what such nice friendly people had been capable of doing to each other.
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:01pm
    - Ohm my
      
      That was my experience of the Cambodian people too tavita, I read up alot when I arrived back, and found the phrase Baksbat. Essentially a collective PTSD unique to the Khmer.
      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235619242_Baksbat_Broken_Courage_A_Trauma-Based_Cultural_Syndrome_in_Cambodia
      
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      March 8, 2022 2:00pm
- Sacha
  
  You might be interested to read this from the BrownstoneInstitute:
  https://brownstone.org/articles/the-twisted-reign-of-baron-von-munchausen-by-proxy/
  I hadn’t made the connection, but then I read this.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:21am
- Diogenes
  
  I echo your sentiments entirely. As a Christian I also am utterly saddened by the way the church by-and-large caved in. Thankfully, not all did. I am aware of, or have attended, a number in Christchurch that are holding services that do not require a passport.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:23am
  - virtualmark
    
    Matthew 22:21
    
    The church is not there to fight the Government on things that are outside the church’s spiritual interests.
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Arise, Sir Cake. Comment of the day.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:57am
- Justitia
  
  Yes Cake Face1, I have had similar thoughts over the past two years. It reaches down to the personal level too; relatives and friends who sever ties with you because you challenge the Official Narrative as promoted by Ardern. I despise her, I believe she is cruel, supremely ignorant and has no concern for the suffering her policies cause. The day she is evicted I will “do a little dance”.
  
  Unlike you I was unable to carry on to Auschwitz when I visited Krakov 20 years ago. I had just visited the Jewish Quarter of Warsaw with its tragic relics and I couldn’t emotionally handle any more. The stench of unadulterated evil hung heavily in my nostrils for some time after that. It made you wonder what sort of people were capable of such blind obedience. [deleted, don’t suggested that kind of appalling act. It is offensive to those who actually suffered through a real holocaust – Mod]
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:11am
Tony Stuart

Our good friend Dr Siouxsie Wiles isn’t going to be apologising any time soon for her false accusation against seven Auckland University professors. And even worse, she’s doubled down:

https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1500705372188733440

Someone needs to share the age-old political advice with Dr Wiles; when you’re in a hole, stop digging!
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March 8, 2022 8:07am
- alex Masterley
  
  The woman has a tin ear.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:13am
  - fernglas
    
    I wonder what her academic bosses think about her fabricating evidence in a campaign against other of their staff? Academic integrity seems to have gone by the wayside, and yet she is employed by the University as some sort of communicator as well as being a scientist. If a journalist made this sort of stuff up, they would be sacked. So should she.
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:18am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      As if falsely accusing the seven professors wasn’t bad enough, she then said it was the university itself, her employer, who send the threatening lawyer’s letter.
      
      I hope for her sake she has evidence to support her claim. Publicly slandering your employer usually doesn’t end up well.
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:35am
      - PeeJay
        
        Probably thinks she’ll win big with an unfair dismissal case or some such.
        
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        March 8, 2022 8:43am
      - alex Masterley
        
        The letters sent by the University’s lawyers were it seems from the media councils determination standard letters sent when responding to personal information requests made of the University.
        So by following privacy law requirements the University is said to be threatening the recipients of those letters.
        Doing the “right” thing is obviously the “wrong” thing. What a fucked up world we live in
        
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        March 8, 2022 8:44am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        It’s past due time for her to be torched by the University Tony. She’s just another academic who tries to make herself bigger than the issue she is supposed to be commenting on. I guess that’s what happens when you are a small cog, earning not much and you are elevated into a position that likely pays more than you could wildly dream and that is beyond you.
        
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        March 8, 2022 8:49am
      - oldfella
        
        Tony, she’s a former ‘Ayoteearowan of the Year’, so should be safe. The uni will probably promote her. /
        
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        March 8, 2022 10:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  For those who missed this last night..
  
  A more in-depth analysis of the media Council ruling
  
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/03/07/column-stuff-up-defending-science-is-challenging-nowadays-but-professors-were-right-about-wiles-allegation/
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:16am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    And prominent apology from stuff in ………………..
    
    But but we fact checked with the podium of truth.
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:06am
- kowtow
  
  She could always go to the beach , again , and build a sand castle .
  
  If she woz a ‘right winger” she’da been cancelled yonks ago.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:21am
- I remember when
  
  I believe the saying is that if it’s a lie.
  AND, YOU TOLD IT.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  This golden memory was in the twitter replies. Don’t forget it.
  
  https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1500717324210302978?s=20&t=IeAymOJK7TwjE7GhQq0uzg
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:30am
  - graham
    
    At the very end:
    
    “It’s going to be really hard but we will get through it, and we’ll get through it by taking care of each other and following the rules“.
    
    Well that didn’t age well, did it?
    
    “Taking care of each other” obviously doesn’t include making false accusations against your professional colleagues.
    
    “Following the rules” obviously means everybody else, because I’m smart enough to know what’s good for me but you aren’t.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:08am
  - nathie
    
    Wow what an eye-opener, it’s almost like Ms Wiles took an IQ test and was elated that the results came back negative! 😉
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:11am
  - glowworm
    
    Unlike our prime minister, I do not believe she is intentionally evil, on the contrary, at a personal level I bet she comes across as a reasonable and nice person.
    
    But it is cowardly nice people like this who let their fear take control. This is clearly evident in that clip.
    
    It is pretty clear to me now, reading her publication list (and where the hell is her PhD and what is its title?!) that she is not as qualified as she should be – and has clearly, maybe not entirely her fault, had too much influence over public opinion around COVID.
    
    I suspect similar can be said about all of our other MSM “experts”. The only way to argue with these ‘good’ people is not through logic, science or data, or even history lessons; but through better emotional stories, of the damage caused, and justified, on their watch and on the population at large.
    
    They are controlled by their weakness of mind and the lucky free and easy western lives they have lived. Combined with their lack of risk taking and safety’ism that has overtaken our culture.
    
    Many of them do not understand the suffering that many of us have had to deal with daily. For myself, this started well before COVID. For them COVID is the worse thing that has ever happened to them…aside from that time they scratched their BMW…
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:14pm
- kevn
  
  @Tony…. Interesting that Stuff are propping for the pink haired one.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:42am
  - bjools
    
    Soon t be a Labour candidate?
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And that TV One – Seven O’clock are still running her for advice (on RATS) –
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/07/why-rats-can-show-negative-when-youre-feeling-symptoms/
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:50am
- graham
  
  Funnily enough, I was thinking just last night that this could go one of two ways:
  
  (a) Dr Wiles does what’s right, swallows her pride and apologises; or
  
  (b) Dr Wiles doubles down and blames everybody else, claims she’s been misunderstood or misinterpreted, and she FEELS that she’s right and that’s what matters.
  
  And now this.
  
  I’m actually quite sad to see someone who is, presumably, well-respected within her profession descending to this level. Can’t help thinking that she should just quietly withdraw from the public eye for a while, for her own sake.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:55am
  - bythesea
    
    I see strong parallels with the bevaviour of Michael Mann, climate scientist.
    
    They ride the issue-du-jour to fame and fortune, and get support from the establishment to slander their enemies.
    
    What happens is because they are so ambitious they sometimes pick on the wrong target or people. In Wiles’ case making up lies and not following her own rules.
    
    In Mann’s case he went up against Mark Steyn. The response was ‘A Disgrace to the Profession (Volume 1)’, by Mark Steyn. Hilarious
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    All she has to do is stop dying her hair. Then she’ll be just another dowdy middle aged woman dressed in a black sack.
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:40pm
- glowworm
  
  I still want to peruse her PhD thesis. So far we have not been able to even find its title!
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here it is:
    https://napier.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/fulldisplay?docid=alma9923745370202111&context=L&vid=44NAP_INST:44NAP_ALMA_VU1&lang=en&search_scope=MyInst_and_CI&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=Everything&query=any,contains,wiles%202001&offset=0
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:41pm
    - glowworm
      
      Thanks Maggy, so we have a title but it’s a hard copy.
      
      I’ve read a few of her more recent downloadable papers. Although not in the same field, they appear reasonably well written and appear to demonstrate some level of expertise – not that I’m really qualified to judge.
      
      Pity about her other characteristic traits and political beliefs though…
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:08pm
ClanMcleod

Pay walled, but the headline says it all really. Substitute UK for NZ. It is the exact same story.

Britain’s Covid experts ‘abandoned their objectivity and misled with alarming models’
Government adviser delivers damning verdict on scientists’ pandemic response, adding they ‘weren’t looking at the bigger picture’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/05/britains-covid-experts-misled-alarming-models-abandoned-objectivity/
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March 8, 2022 8:07am
- Mike H S
  
  I have access to the article because I subscribe to the Telegraph as I find the quality of journalism is far superior to the muppets we have here.
  
  Their ability to do proper investigative is impressive. As far as world news goes, it is very good.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:20am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The comment in the article mimic what New Zealanders are saying too.
  
  We have been conned, and nobody likes being conned especially when that con involves your physical and mental well being, let alone your wealth.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:25am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I also have a sub. When I dropped NZH some years back I took up a sub with the DT. About NZ$ 150 pa.
  
  I also read the Daily Mail every day and also the Guardian who keep asking me for a donation!!!
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:32am
RockyJ

Good news prediction. This government won’t be voted out of office, it will be laughed out of office.
The pathetic attempts at “transformation” like one billion trees, one hundred thousand houses, a Auckland Harbour cycle bridge, a light rail link etc are humorous enough on their own.
But Mrs Rocky and I have spent the morning so far laughing at the comments in the Where’s Clarke Gaylord page on Facebook.
Can I mention that MOD?
Side splitting entertainment.
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March 8, 2022 8:09am
- RockyJ
  
  Oops. Not “Gaylord”. It is “Gayford”. Still, Gaylord is funny too.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:17am
  - oldfella
    
    Rocky, isn’t Gaylord a fishing company? Oops, that’s Sealord. Which is how Clarke may think of himself – kind of a poor man’s ocean going titan.
    We could ask him if anyone could find him. //
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Don’t forget zero road deaths by 2050. A givens of meaningless slogans.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:34am
  - Don Beckett
    
    In their eyes it is a realistic target, because our roads will be so stuffed, and fuel will be so expensive that we’ll all be using trains, riding horse & carts, cylcing or walking.
    Ayo-tea-a-rower third world, here we come.
    I forgot to mention – a population of about 2.5million, because if many haven’t left the country, 70% of babies will be aborted.
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:15am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      There’ll always be some fool who falls off his bicycle & ruins the perfect doughnut
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You would think the speculation about the missing partner is starting to become a security issue for our Dear PM.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:53am
  - oldfella
    
    Maggy, I could see it being an embarrassment, but why would the speculation raise security issues?
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:14am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    I hear Clarkes in Whangarei today as he was last Friday.
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:07pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Something to do with a boat.
      
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      March 8, 2022 12:07pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The opening of the Hunterwasser museum?
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:43pm
Grant

Oh dear!
I think Mike may have upset the individual that is currently our Foreign Minister this morning.
To think that this woman represents our country in the embassies of the world. She could hardly string a coherent sentence together, let alone convey the complexities of sanctions and diplomacy.
An absolute shocker.
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March 8, 2022 8:12am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Grant
  
  Look at the FMs in Ozs/UK/Japan/China/US etc.
  
  They are all well tuned out and groomed and speak v well.
  
  Ours dresses from the remainder bin in the Op Shop and can hardly string two coherent words together. In Addition he has a severs respiratory complaint by the sound of it
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Listen here:
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/nanaia-mahuta-foreign-affairs-minister-denies-new-zealands-response-to-russias-invasion-was-late/
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:56am
  - RockyJ
    
    “A wall of resistance”. So our collection of blankets constitutes a wall of resistance?
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:10am
Maggie Pie

I’m not one to gossip, but I was a bit slow off the mark this morning and only half-caught part of a story about Shane Warne on Fox Sport.

Heard them saying something about…. ‘Thai Police were investigating why a blonde German woman named ‘Barbara’ had been allowed into the back of the Ambulance to spend time with Warney’s body before he was taken to the hospital’.

Anyone have the actual details on that report?
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March 8, 2022 8:14am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Seems a bit ghoulish. Isn’t there anyone from the midweek ladies’ group at the Otahuhu Tennis club you can gossip about?
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:32am
- MCōs
  
  It’s hardly gossip, inasmuch as that’s what happened but it would be unusual in this part of the world.
  Over there if he was a local celebrity the cameras would have gone into the ambulance with her.
  His body was being transferred from a small hospital on Koh Samui to the mainland for an autopsy. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-07/shane-warne-body-incident-thailand/100887050
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thx for posting Cossie!
    Thought I might have been going mad for a moment.
    Wonder if that’s likely to have any effect on the call for a State Funeral?
    
    The truth will out eventually I suppose…..
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:23am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I understood Shane had two ladies (cough) giving him a massage. RIP. GOAT.
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:25pm
Benedict Yu

Yet another large scale study showing the effectiveness of Ivermectin at preventing death in COVID 19. This was just looking at deaths, nothing else. Interesting that the comparator is one of the new very expensive anti virals. Ivermectin is more effective.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221009887#

Why did governments do nothing except vaccinate, even in the have of the vaccines not working very well? Remember Jacinda’s “vaccinate for summer freedom”? Now almost ALL of us are vaccinated, and we are all sitting around waiting to be infected?

Thought experiment. The polio vaccine was rightly declared a miracle in 1955. But what if it had effectively stopped working after 6 months? It would have been an outrage.

Yet with the COVID vaccine, we found that effectiveness dropped from 73 percent (not very good to start with) to 8 percent at 25 weeks. And the government responds by buying more and urging people to vaccinate their kids.
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March 8, 2022 8:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here’s some pointed analysis as to the question of ‘why?’
  
  In October 2020 Dr Andrew Hill was tasked to report to the World Health Organisation on the dozens of new studies from around the world suggesting that Ivermectin could be a remarkably safe and effective treatment for COVID-19.
  
  But on January 18th 2021, Dr Hill published his findings on a pre-print server. His methods lacked rigour, the review was low quality and the extremely positive findings on ivermectin were contradicted by the conclusion. In the end, Dr Hill advised that “Ivermectin should be validated in larger appropriately controlled randomized trials before the results are sufficient for review by regulatory authorities.”
  
  Watch the Open Letter to Dr Andrew Hill. See him flail when challenged about his obvious malfeasance, and won’t even deny being paid off by anti-Ivermectin actors.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:32am
  - surfing
    
    Wait for the results of the Oxford principle trial… that is the gold standard trial for ivermectin. Results will be due in September this year.
    
    No harm in taking it just in case though.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:43am
    - Batman
      
      There actually is harm if not taken in a prescribed way. It can strip your gut linings and cause ulcers.
      
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      March 8, 2022 11:20am
      - Inandout
        
        you are talking about meth with those side effects surely? Also go through the prescription drugs and find side effects that include stomach ulcers. Doctors then prescribe another drug to quell the ulcers.
        
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        March 8, 2022 11:55am
      - surfing
        
        It is an incredibly safe medication.
        
        I think it is pointless to take it, but no harm if you take a human sized dose. And if it satisfies the conspiracy theorists then maybe a greater good comes from it.
        
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        March 8, 2022 12:03pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Best check your dosage Bats flying mammals are a smidgen smaller than horses.
        
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        March 8, 2022 5:11pm
      - Batman
        
        Precisely, which is why you should only take it when prescribed by your doctor for the ailments it is designed to treat.
        
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        March 8, 2022 7:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The only word to describe it is malfeasance and criminal charges must be brought.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:36am
- kevn
  
  @BY… Our cats flea treatment lasts about as long as the human Pfizer jab.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:46am
- surfing
  
  Quote me where the study says ivermectin is effective against covid? You make bold claims that the study authors never even made themselves.
  
  Frankly you have very little science acumen at all, and applied no critical thinking skills whatsoever. You are just trawling the web looking for anything that confirms your beliefs.
  
  The authors downloaded a dataset and searched for patterns. This is useful , number crunching large data sets can spot patterns which help direct future research.
  
  Maybe they’re onto something, maybe they’re not. Which is why the authors say…
  
  “Further double-blinded placebo-controlled RCTs with large samples are required for definite conclusion”
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:26am
  - Don Beckett
    
    You could check with Dr. Peter McCullough of Texas – he was having excellent results with Ivermectin in 2020 6 months before the Pfizer & others had their so called ‘vaccines’ available.
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:32am
    - surfing
      
      Rather than address the paper, you divert to conspiracy.
      
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      March 8, 2022 12:05pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Where’s the conspiracy? Dr. McCullough is a very highly qualified medical professional in several fields – I would put him light years ahead of any the the donkeys we have here in NZ directing our Covid response.
        
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        March 8, 2022 1:33pm
      - surfing
        
        @ don beckett… So, McCullough’s anecdotal evidence is a sufficient replacement for a trial? This is same type of science that is behind homeopathic ‘medicine’… I suppose you’re into that too.
        
        And, how on earth do you reconcile this discrepancy?
        
        https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2789362
        
        You’ve already made up your mind though. Evidence is irrelevant, and discredited doctors are your thing.
        
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        March 8, 2022 2:01pm
      - General
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfyOihhAD4A
        
        Study analysis consisted of comparing ivermectin users with non-users using cohorts
        
        Results
        
        223,128 citizens of Itajaí considered
        
        159,561 included in the analysis
        
        113,845 (71.3%) regular ivermectin users
        
        45,716 (23.3%) non-users
        
        Of these
        
        4,311 ivermectin users were infected, (3.7% infection rate)
        
        3,034 non-users (6.6% infection rate)
        
        A 44% reduction in COVID-19 infection rate
        
        Risk ratio (RR), 0.56
        
        The regular use of ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality
        
        Deaths
        
        25 (0.8%) deaths in the ivermectin group
        
        79 (2.6%) among ivermectin non-users
        
        RR, 0.32
        
        p less than 0.0001
        
        When adjusted for residual variables, reduction in mortality rate was 70%
        
        There was a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate
        
        44 in the ivermectin group
        
        99 in non ivermectin users
        
        After adjustment for residual variables, reduction in hospitalization rate was 67%
        
        p less than 0.0001
        Conclusion
        
        In this large study, regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.
        
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        March 8, 2022 2:16pm
- Batman
  
  Benedict did you find this from Jordan Peterson tweeting it?
  
  Then you might be interested in what on of the authors, Jose Gonzalez Zamora, has to say about the claims being made out of this study:
  
  “I am ONE of the authors of the study. This “retrospective” study looks for ASSOCIATION, not causality. Now that we have randomized clinical trials, we can say with certainty that IVERMECTIN DOES NOT WORK AT ALL FOR COVID. I recommend to read the conclusions of the abstract.”
  
  “For the ones that say that my study is limited, biased, etc. What do you expect from a simple retrospective analysis looking at association? Those limitations are innate of studies like that, it was not a RCT. Have I ever recommended IVM based on my study? OF COURSE NOT, NEVER”
  
  https://twitter.com/JoseGonzalesZa1/status/1499450061025157120?t=igisqVOo0cJFV51FuUwZww&s=19
  
  The scientific community, not quacks like Peterson or other pushers of ivermectin, has been clear that it does not work as a treatment.
  
  Don’t get sucked in by it.
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:14am
  - All_on_Red
    
    How are your daily prayers and sing songs going at work these days?
    So funny
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:18am
  - Inandout
    
    Jordan is one of the most level headed and sensible people I have seen on TV. Many people shaken by the covid scare have found some logical arguments put forward by this man. You can see why the woke crowd here tried to close down his talks as they will not tolerate a differing opinion.
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:00pm
  - surfing
    
    I don’t think Yu knows the difference between correlation and causation.
    
    It is interest though that kiwibloggers argue against the study authors themselves.
    
    This is not the first time either, krazykiwi has also argued against study authors conclusions.
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:07pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Not generally, surfing. But a red flag for me, as it should for anyone, is where a study’s conclusions are at odds with the study data. The Dr Andrew Hill paper is a glaring example of this.
      
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      March 8, 2022 2:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  FYI … Salk’s polio vaccine didn’t prevent polio infections, and was only 80% effective in preventing paralysis.
  
  Yes it was a miracle. Yes it made a profound difference to your chances of catching polio, and being badly affected by polio. But it wasn’t perfect.
  
  Subsequent polio vaccines (ie Sabin’s) were much more effective. But it took time for researchers to figure out how to get a “perfect” vaccine.
  
  It’s quite possible Covid vaccines will follow a similar development path.
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:33pm
  - MCōs
    
    It wasn’t a miracle.
    It was the result of years of work.
    ‘Miracle’ is a convenient word when the user can’t explain what’s happening. Religions love to explain things as miracles to tighten their grip on the flock.
    
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    March 8, 2022 2:49pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I meant “miracle” in terms of its impact was miraculous.
      
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      March 8, 2022 4:46pm
Surely Knott

Heard Phil Goff on BFM this morning talking about the impact of Omicron on council business. He said “No one is immune unfortunately.”…….hmmmmm. I thought it was supposed to provide immunity against spread. If not were the following advertising phrases misleading: Safe and effective. 95% effective. Herd Immunity. Do if for your community. Do it for your whanau. MOH, “it is highly effective if people have both doses. That means, if you do catch COVID-19, you’re far less likely to fall seriously ill and less likely to transmit the virus to others.”
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March 8, 2022 8:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  I was going to comment on MoH’s claim “…less likely to transmit the virus to others.” just yesterday. This claim is blatant lying by MoH.
  
  I work with people who believe every word from MoH and regard all other sources as peddlers of misinformation. This is what happens when rational thought is lazily outsourced.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:54am
  - ISeeRed
    
    My employer is one. I have provided screeds of media reports and research summaries showing a vax mandate for my role now is pointless. Completely impervious. They just defer and refer to the Ministry of Health and the Health and Safety at Work Act.
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:19am
    - krazykiwi
      
      We are way, way past science or evidence on this one. I recently left the board of an organisation that was about to begin dismissing unvaxxed, but only after I put up a fight including plenty of evidence. This was ignored by my former colleagues, with the position being adopted to ‘appear to be doing what the government wants’. Gutless virtue signaling that is now tossing lives and careers of dedicated employees onto the bonfire of narcissistic Ardern worship. Abhorrent. I don’t know how my former colleagues sleep straight in their beds.
      
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      March 8, 2022 11:08am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Finding yourself out of steps with your workmates and getting confused about who lit the fires KK?
    This could be the answer:
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/research-shows-even-mild-covid-cases-can-result-in-significant-changes-to-brain-increased-cognitive-decline/ar-AAUJJIQ?ocid=msedgdhp
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I would not be unhappy about Phil’s comment if he then followed through to the logical conclusion.
  
  But, of course, he didn’t.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:11am
- Ehlana
  
  Phil Goff is not, so far as I know, a medical expert. So the fact that what he says contradicts what people with more medical knowledge say doesn’t prove the more knowledgeable people are wrong.
  
  Of course, I might expect the mayor of a major city some years into a pandemic to speak more carefully, accurately and knowledgeably, but, does he usually do that?
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:13am
Nickc2

Nanaia Mahuta (suspected from prepared notes):
New Zealand will provide a Wall of Resistance (against Russian incursion into Ukraine) and $2,000,000 to the International Red Cross with no tags attached.
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Too little, too late, and meaningless. Her Boss gave $2.75m to a violent drug peddling Maori Gang FFS.
As for the $2m to the Red Cross, that’ll be consumed by wages for approximately four people in Geneva.
As I said in a post yesterday, our Labour Party’s links and allegiances to Russia are deeply imbedded in NZ History.
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March 8, 2022 8:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You did make a vague allegation about that yesterday. Apparently one or two socialist unity party members getting medical treatment in the USSR in the 1970s meant that anyone voting Labour is pro-Russian.
  Feel free to expand on your theme. you might find these books useful:
  https://www.amazon.com/Spies-Revolutionaries-Graeme-Hunt/dp/0790011409/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IRM08TYIZBNG&keywords=graeme hunt spies revolutionaries&qid=1646681918&s=books&sprefix=graeme hunt spies revolutionaries,stripbooks-intl-ship,340&sr=1-1
  https://www.amazon.com/Lenins-Legacy-Down-Under-Zealands/dp/1877276901/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2KZ6FG5DYCXCM&keywords=lenin's legacy down under&qid=1646682015&s=books&sprefix=lenin’s legacy down under,stripbooks-intl-ship,252&sr=1-1
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What are the links between Labour, Russian Billionaires and Kiwibuild?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/124125670/russian-billionaire-investing-in-kiwibuild-to-help-housing-crisis
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Geez Maggy, that’ll set the Pigeon amongst the Cats.
    No doubt Phil Twyford, Megan Woods, Robbo, and Cindy would be well aware of that.
    Sanctions against Russian Oligarchs? “What Oligarchs,” screamed Cindy through clenched teeth. “I totally refude that,” she said as she stomped off the stage with Jess tagging along reminding her of the prepared questions they had discussed.
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:05am
- virtualmark
  
  Our inaction on Ukraine has far far less to do with “our Labour Party’s links and allegiances to Russia” and far far more to do with both the major political parties complacency about national security and our national values.
  
  NZ has been coasting on its global reputation for at least the last 40 years.
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:35pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Suggest you see my post @1:47PM.
    It’s still awaiting Mod’s clearance but I believe the second part of it attempts to address your concerns.
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:59pm
I remember when

The last time any of the vaccines is at its most effective level – is when the article appears in the media.
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March 8, 2022 8:26am
Matt Long

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-spinoff-the-protest-lost-at-parliament-but-it-unequivocally-won-the-social-media-war/3NYQRKV5UVWCOJ34QNIWFAPDEE/
Deeps concerns from the guardians of “truth” that they are losing the propaganda battle and promises of state censorship.
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March 8, 2022 8:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  And as usual their go to argument is that anyone who doesn’t toe the official line is a purveyor of “misinformation” or “conspiracy theories” – and as usual they never actually explain what the actual fuck their examples of these are.
  The NZ mainstream media is beyond incompetent, they are malevolent.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:32am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  I watched the Baker live feed from the front lines, at one point 19,300 watching. Something like 73,000 followers.
  
  Went to the NZ Horid live feed from the balcony of parliament 666 watching.
  
  Like many people I suspect, I stopped watch TV News in New Zealand some time ago, feel more relaxed and happier with my life.
  
  Unfortunately it is the sole source of information people like my Father etc, the sad thing is that they lap it up and have “absolutely” no idea what is really happening.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:10am
Paulus

It now appears that the unelected Mahuta appointed Tauranga Council Commissioners wants to delay any democratically Council election.
Usual Socialist practice.
Sad and pathetic.
They need more time to bed in the Maori changes that they support under Mahuta’s instructions.
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March 8, 2022 8:26am
kowtow

hey ,any nat influencers out there .

The Conservative media in the UK are reminding all and sundry that we don’t live in a benign startegic environment and this latest Putin outrage is more proof of that , as if it was needed.

Food , energy and defence self reliance need to top our list of priorities .

Now more than ever , if the Nats needed an excuse they’ve got it , in spades.

Mining , oil and gas exploration , food production ,military spending ; all need re appraisal.

So does trade reliance on authoritarian regimes and interference with our political independence.

Let’s do this.
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March 8, 2022 8:27am
- Simon
  
  Not going to happen. Greta might frown at National. Luxon is wet for man made climate fraud. Not sure if its just an act or he really believes this shit.
  
  All the new taxes & regulations National will bring in for net zero. There will no opposition to this, ACT will be part of the train wreck.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:42am
- MCōs
  
  “Food , energy and defence self reliance need to top our list of priorities .”
  
  There’s no way NZ could provide for its own defence without nuclear deterrence. Good luck convincing the general public we need to invest in nuclear weapons.
  There’s no way NZ could become self reliant on fuel.
  Furthermore
  Following that logic we’d need to be able to cease importing everything.
  The country would be ungovernable within a year.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:10am
  - Nickc2
    
    What makes you certain the country won’t be fucked in less than a year if we keep going the way we are with the current Govt?
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:23am
    - Paulus
      
      Nothing repeat nothing will get rid of this Government and Ardern utilt the next October 12 months election.
      She is so mentally with the fairies that she still believes she is beyond all reason in that she is and has always been right, and its anybody elses fault but hers.
      Tough on Roberston’s aspirations as he will not make it. It is all his fault see.
      
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      March 8, 2022 1:52pm
Matt Long

https://ipolitics.ca/2022/02/18/conservatives-up-10-points-under-bergen-mainstreet-poll/
Canadian Conservative party up 10 points in poll after swinging their support behind individual freedom.
Interesting to see how Luxon’s next poll will go.
Here’s another video of Luxon in the house with Ardern https://duckduckgo.com/?q=barbie%20girl%20song&ko=-1&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZyhrYis509A
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March 8, 2022 8:31am
- Paulus
  
  Very few people watch the House as they are or should be at work !
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:53pm
Weetbix3ways

New fear-porn on Stuff: Apparently even mild covid infections can affect your brain, including causing shrinkage!

Apparently journalists and politicians are especially vulnerable.
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March 8, 2022 8:33am
- Ehlana
  
  The scientist interviewed on Newshub this morning pointed out this was an analysis of about 400 over 50’s compared with 300+ others who had not got Covid. Things they don’t know are what impact may exist among under 50’s, how it relates to aging (brain changes start in our 50’s) and whether the responses to Covid, like lockdowns, have an effect. Also, if the effects will be long-lasting, or the brain will recover.
  
  So, like a lot of science, it amounts too: we’ve found something interesting and need to do more work on it.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:19am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The study related to original covid, I believe. Not Omicron.
    
    So, basically irrelevant in NZ.
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:55pm
Bobba Fret

Well sounds like more people are starting to realise that this government are not good at managing an economy and have little understanding of normal peoples struggles.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/really-irked-me-kiwis-hit-back-after-pm-declined-to-call-cost-of-living-spike-a-crisis/ar-AAUKe3k?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531
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March 8, 2022 8:39am
- Ehlana
  
  “not good at managing … and have little understanding”. To which you could add, apparently little desire to acquire understanding or improve performance.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:20am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Labour won’t call it a crisis because that’s what National are calling it. Ardern’s spin team now frantically searching a thesaurus.
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:24am
- zulumonster
  
  Also the following is poor reporting:
  “It comes as the cost of living skyrockets with Kiwis spending on average an extra $4000 to $5000 in the past 12 months on basics such as food, rent and fuel. The majority of the increase is fuel with an extra $678 a year at the pump on average. ”
  
  They probably meant fuel was the single biggest component of the increase – but it is clearly not the majority of the increase. Grrrr.
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:49pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s a name to conjure with…..

ENOCH UPRIGHT.

Really? 😀 😀 😀
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March 8, 2022 8:42am
- Ehlana
  
  Gloriavale names seem to run like that – combining a Biblical character with a virtue, like Samuel Valor and Noah Hopeful. Or just two virtues, like Fervent Stedfast.
  
  The trouble with doing that to your child, of course, is what if they don’t turn out like their names?
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:57am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Not sure you got Maggie’s point?
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:35pm
  - alloytoo
    
    In my youth Zulu parents used to give children English names which they felt would serve their children later in life. Saints, prophets and apostles were popular, but I am reminded of two, the fairly common “Wiseman” and the eternally optimistic “Innocent”.
    
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    March 8, 2022 6:16pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      More than one Pope named Innocent
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:57pm
Bobba Fret

So after breaking the rules deliberately and not assisting authorities (in fact hindering their investigation) no charges to be laid. Pass me the wet bus ticket!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pair-who-caused-northland-lockdown-won-t-be-charged/ar-AAUK2tN?ocid=entnewsntp
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March 8, 2022 8:48am
Padriv Ustoev

Russia Orthodox Church in Balmoral Auckland was vandalized with paint and anti Russian slogans on the outside.
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March 8, 2022 8:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I should expect any such attacks will soon stop when Patriarch Kirill of Moscow denounces the invasion.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:47am
  - Ehlana
    
    I think it is illegal to call it an invasion in Russia now.
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:58am
  - virtualmark
    
    Don’t hold your breath Mike … there’s a strong religious dimension to the recent tensions between Russia and Ukraine.
    
    Look at the “Orthodox Church of Ukraine”, how it came into being, and the reaction to it from the Russian Orthodox Church and the Kremlin.
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:39pm
Rusty

Heard Mahuta on Mike Hoskings show refer to Ukraine as “The Ukraine”

Shes not the only one to do that, but she is our Foreign Minister –she should get it right.

What I gather, is that Mahuta and our govt consider the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a humanitarian crisis first and Ukraine fighting to defend their country as second.

NZ is already a laughing stock around the world with our outdated covid restrictions now we are viewed as weak pacifists who say nothing against tyrants like Putin.
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March 8, 2022 8:51am
- MCōs
  
  Rusty, I doubt many people outside NZ gives a bag of beans what our stance is regarding anything.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:26am
  - Rusty
    
    @MCos – you might be right mate, I don’t know. Mind you Biden in his state of the nation speech, did mention NZ also taking a stand against the invasion, if that means anything.
    
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    March 8, 2022 3:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That is first-class nit-picking. There are a few country names where the definite article is traditionally added in English: Ukraine, the Netherlands, the Gambia, etc.
  More recent usage has begun to drop ‘the’.
  There is similar usage in NZ with respect to provincial names – we often say the Wairarapa, the West Coast, or the Waikato, but we wouldn’t say ‘the’ Canterbury or ‘the Taranaki’.
  But well done for pointing out this most important flaw in the foreign minister’s grasp of international affairs.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:53am
  - Rusty
    
    @mike.. correct grammar and pronunciations are a absolute requirement for a Foreign Minister –Winston Peters set that standard!
    
    They are the face and mouth of this country overseas — didn’t means any puns here!
    
    I better stop mate.
    
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    March 8, 2022 3:45pm
- bjools
  
  Bet she gets very offended by foreigners pronunciation of Maori, but can’t seem to show the same level of respect, to others.
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:03pm
Flossie

Why can’t the government put a cap on tax take from fuel? That would have benefits beyond just filling your vehicle as everything is dependent upon fuel costs.
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March 8, 2022 8:55am
- MCōs
  
  The excise tax component of the cost of fuel petrol doesn’t fluctuate.
  
  Currently it is made up of
  70.024 cents – National Land Transport Fund
  6 cents – ACC Motor Vehicle Account
  0.66 cents – Local Authorities Fuel Tax
  0.6 cents – Petroleum or Engine Fuels Monitoring Levy
  
  The rest is importers cost and margin and GST on the lot.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:42am
  - bjools
    
    You missed something from the AA web site
    In addition, GST is collected on the overall price of fuel including excise. The GST on excise amounts to 14.6 cents per litre “tax on taxes”.
    
    There are no excise taxes on diesel other than 0.33 cents Local Authorities Fuel Tax, and GST. Instead, diesel vehicles pay Road User Charges.
    
    All fuels also pay an Emissions Trading Scheme levy (approximately 20 cents per litre).
    (+GST?)
    
    In Auckland, an additional 10 cent per litre Regional Fuel Tax is levied on all petrol and diesel sold in the Auckland region (since July 2018).
    So 77.7c + 14.6c + 20c = $1.123 plus Auckland regional tax. (10c)(+GST?)
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:00pm
    - MCōs
      
      Flossie above seemed to be under the impression excise tax is a percentage of the price paid at the pump whereas I was pointing out it’s a fixed amount.
      GST, as always, is a percentage of the final price.
      The Auckland Regional Fuel Tax is paid by the petrol companies, not the end users, based on the amount of fuel sold in the Auckland region. Where the money comes from, who knows? Might be Wellington.
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Surprise, surprise…

“I think we’ve lost complete control of the case numbers,” he said. “We’ve lost an important source of data that could help us with our planning. And I think it’s too late to get it back.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127980338/selfreported-covid-case-numbers-now-unreliable-metric–epidemiologist
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March 8, 2022 9:06am
- bjools
  
  “we’ve lost complete control”
  The myth that they EVER had control
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:13am
- Weetbix3ways
  
  Awww, how sad. I guess we won’t see any planning in the future that is of similar quality to what we have seen in the past?
  Wait, what planning are we talking about?
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s irrelevant now. As are all mitigation measures. Australia provides a good guide as to likely progression. Hospital cases likely to increase by about 50% from here in 10 days time, deaths up to perhaps 15 a day in two weeks. Overall death toll maybe half or less than the 1500 respiratory disease deaths we get through a normal winter (as evidenced by the 1500 who didn’t die in 2020 winter)
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:37am
- Brian McDonald
  
  It’s not news Maggy and was fairly evident that many would not report their RATs test results. Unless that was controlled and followed up on the numbers were going to be lost and it seems they are. Complicating it, even more, was the distribution method chaos of the RATs tests.
  I read yesterday that hospital admissions and deaths might be the most accurate assessment. You’ll remember that for weeks it has been said that for each known case there may be up to 4 to 5 or higher number not known.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:10am
  - RightNow
    
    Of course it’s not news Captain Obvious, it was in $1uff
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s not news Maggy
    
    I agree, Brian.
    
    The methodology of assessing number of covid cases in NZ has been dodgy for 2 years.
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:41am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW

Ukraine President Zelensky….. vows “to kill every bastard” who murdered mother and 2 kids in Kyiv.

https://trib.al/ergOUbX
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March 8, 2022 9:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Putin has seriously underestimated Zelensky. He expected the Ukranian president would seek safety in a friendly country as soon as Russian missiles started raining down on Ukraine.
  
  But instead Zelensky has been belligerent and inspiring to the Ukrainian people, like a latter-day Churchill. You can’t help but be impressed with the man.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:24am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    This guy https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/03/two_videos_give_a_military_perspective_on_whats_happening_in_ukraine.html reckons it’s likely about to get really bad in Ukraine. Russia has been building up large supply depots on fringes of major cities (mainly Kyiv), and working to encircle them so that it can start major bombardment to crush resistance and force surrender.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:41am
    - bjools
      
      I am in disbelief, as to how incompetent their invasion has been.
      Putin is supposed to be a good chess player.
      Never sacrifice any pieces(including pawns) without good reason.
      The obvious strategy, considering the start positions of all forces.
      1. With half the Ukrainian force lined up against the 2 rogue provinces, move toward those forces to hold them there, but NOT engage.
      2. Faint toward Kyiv
      3. Main attack to come up from Crimea and across from Russia, take all the bridges across the main river.
      4. DO NOT engage directly, unless necessary.
      5. Isolate the eastern Ukrainian forces on the rest.
      6. Destroy them after you have them surrounded.
      7. Only then move to Kyiv from the East.
      8. Move to take Odessa and enclose the rest of the country.
      This will force the Ukrainian army to either retreat to the cities, leaving the rest of the country to be over run
      or
      Come out into the open (worst option) to be destroyed inn open country, where the Russians can get at them.
      
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      March 8, 2022 12:39pm
      - bjools
        
        Too late to try that now.
        They have chosen to slug it out.
        As it turns out the quality and fearlessness of the Ukrainians is fantastic.
        He thought this would be a cake walk, tactics not required….HAHAHA
        for him, but sad for the young Russians and Ukrainians he is happy to sacrifice.
        
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        March 8, 2022 12:43pm
  - MCōs
    
    The difference between him and Churchill is the latter knew he had Russia on his side.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:45am
    - bjools
      
      NB Churchill NEVER trusted Stalin, worked with him, helped him (Arctic convoys), but trust?..NO
      
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      March 8, 2022 12:28pm
- DistantObserver
  
  It was probably one of those prisoners he let out and the result of handing every rando a military grade weapon.
  Can’t have it both ways, the Russians aren’t in Kyiv yet. Its pretty clear their strategy at this point is to surround the city.
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:04am
vt

It was estimated that there were usually about 1,000 people at the Parliament protest. People came and went all the time, so let’s say about 10,000 people were “associated” with the protest.

NZ population is about 5,000,000. Currently there are about 200,000 active cases, or about 400 per 10,000 people. There are only 28 cases linked to the protest. Yet the PM called the protest “Covid camp”.

As of last week over 1/4 of Vic Uni’s hall residents tested positive. Imagine the outrage if Ardern called the halls “Covid camps”. But it’s somehow OK for her to call the protest so, even though its infection rate is about 1/20 of the population average? Is that because protesters are second-class citizens, so it’s OK to call them anything?

Ms Ardern, will you have the decency to apologise to the protesters for calling the protest “Covid camp”?
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March 8, 2022 9:14am
- Matt Long
  
  Sure, because “decency” and Labour go together like National, free enterprise and individual freedom.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:30am
- Ehlana
  
  Every time some people the government don’t like get together, they trot out Professor Baker to warn it might be a super-spreader event. Remember the rallies in the Domain? And I see the National Party meeting at the weekend is also on their list.
  
  The virus seems somewhat tin-eared though – I never hear any follow up news stories about anyone from these events ending up in hospital or dying from Covid.
  
  Maybe these events are “super-spreaders” in the same way that this government has built houses and planted trees on a grand scale?
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:43am
tknorriss

A very informative article about why Russia hasn’t gained air superiority in Ukraine despite its apparent overwhelming advantage in this area:

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations

“While the early VKS failure to establish air superiority could be explained by lack of early warning, coordination capacity and sufficient planning time, the continued pattern of activity suggests a more significant conclusion: that the VKS lacks the institutional capacity to plan, brief and fly complex air operations at scale.”

The article goes on to discuss the training methods and strategies used in the Russian airforce that make it difficult to launch mass air operations.

Well worth a read.
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March 8, 2022 9:21am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Excellent article tknorriss. Possibly indicates there would have been different opinions within the Kremlin in attacking Ukraine without extensive fighter cover of the type described. So a gamble was taken on Ukraine folding, probably Putin going against advice. Hard to understand why Biden offered Zelenskyy safe passage out if it wasn’t to support the Russian anticipated takeover and a puppet Government formed? Needs an explanation anyway IMO.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:29am
  - tknorriss
    
    There may come a point where he needs to evacuate to a safer location in Ukraine because he is too important to sacrifice should Kiev fall. But I can’t see him leaving the country.
    
    Anyway, I think Kiev is a long way from falling at the moment, and may never do so in this war.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:40am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Same reported in UK DT
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:32am
bjools

We have inflation at it’s highest in 30 yrs.
Govt. blames “lack of competition in the super markets”
We have 2 major chains and a couple of minor ones.
We have 5 million people.
The UK has about 12 major supermarkets
So on population, about the same as here.
In Aus. there about 6 chains with over 500 stores across the country
Making this “investigation”, a deflection from govt. incompetence, as to the blame for inflation.
So on population, they have lower competition than here.
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March 8, 2022 9:24am
- RichardX
  
  bjools
  We have inflation at it’s highest in 30 yrs.
  Govt. blames “lack of competition in the super markets”
  We have 2 major chains and a couple of minor ones.
  We have 5 million people.
  The UK has about 12 major supermarkets
  So on population, about the same as here.
  In Aus. there about 6 chains with over 500 stores across the country
  Making this “investigation”, a deflection from govt. incompetence, as to the blame for inflation.
  So on population, they have lower competition than here.
  MARCH 8, 2022 9:24AM
  
  Measuring competition by head of population per supermarket chain is meaningless.
  
  The true measure of competition is the number of supermarket chains available to each person.
  
  I’m not saying the govt argument was valid but your rebuttal is not correct either.
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:29am
  - bjools
    
    My rebuttal is DIRECTLY opposed and in the same form the govt. is using.
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      Milton Friedman’s words on inflation need to be repeated as often as possible in the next few years:
      
      “Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output.”
      
      The high inflation we are going into is the result of extremely heavy Government spending, and far, far from all of it on sustaining businesses during the long anti-Covid campaign.
      
      Politicians will blame inflation on everything else: the supermarket duopoly, the price of oil. shipping and supply shortages.
      
      These will be parallel issues, not the cause of the inflation surge that is on its way.
      
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      March 8, 2022 2:38pm
    - RichardX
      
      bjools
      My rebuttal is DIRECTLY opposed and in the same form the govt. is using.
      MARCH 8, 2022 12:23PM
      
      I have only seen your version of the argument.
      
      Does a retailer with 1 competitor have more or less competition that a retailer with 11 competitors?
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:05pm
- Warren
  
  After all the huff and puff from the Commerce Commission they now say Supermarkets are not making the profit on stock that they accused them of to get this inquiry started.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/commerce-commission-final-supermarket-report-competition-muted-whats-needed-for-lower-prices/FRQIQ55CIEZ3RTSKZ5UOSW66O4/
  Another fail from the Commerce Minister David Clark.
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:51pm
  - zulumonster
    
    Agreed that this is a big fail. Does anyone think that giving suppliers and competitors a “fairer go” will make things any better (cheaper) for the end consumer?
    
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    March 8, 2022 2:11pm
  - Nickc2
    
    How much taxpayer money was used to fund this BS?
    
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    March 8, 2022 2:30pm
Roona

I’m in a queue in chch for Rat tests.
Now I’m here I’m seeing first hand the absolutely shambles this is. I think I’ll be here all day, which is fine because petrol is so cheap.
Before this I went to 3 chemists but all sold out, so now I’m trying to get the government supplies.
Send help, I haven’t had breakfast and only 1 coffee.
There are people around me with kids in the car , what a cluster
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March 8, 2022 9:24am
Warren

I wonder how home owners in Auckland will feel knowing there house values have increased by 32% while rates bills have increased by 15%, leaving Council’s and Mayors saying some rates will increase by 10%.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-spinoff-the-protest-lost-at-parliament-but-it-unequivocally-won-the-social-media-war/3NYQRKV5UVWCOJ34QNIWFAPDEE/
How are people that have morgaged themselves to the hilt in there quest to be a first home buyer going to survive with interest rates increases and now rates being probable increased by 10% and will this be followed by many mortgagee house sales.
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March 8, 2022 9:29am
- Warren
  
  Sorry I posted wrong link, try this.
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:10am
Master Mariner

As the world focuses on the War with Ukraine the real threat to Western national security lays with energy prices.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Traders-Are-Now-Betting-On-200-Oil-By-The-End-Of-The-Month.html

The real war ( I believe as far as the Russians are concerned) is an economic war and control over there people.

The only thing presently stopping Oil prices going over 150$ bbl is Iran and existing sanctions.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/7/iran-says-wont-endanger-national-interests-after-russian-demand

What Western economy can function at these prices as they will cripple productivity not too mention huge civil unrest.

Mean while everyone is focusing on the Ground War.
Do not think for a minute the Russians do not understand this.
This is about Energy Security and prices.

Meanwhile the West has been lulled into “Green Washing Policies” to further weaken there own stability.
https://menafn.com/1103805585/Carbon-prices-in-the-EU-crash-despite-rising-fossil-fuel-prices&source=30

So how is this Governments ” Nuclear Moment” going to affect you ?
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March 8, 2022 9:37am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  US and Europe are running around to get the Saudis to turn on the taps and also bring Venezuela in from the cold
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:30am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes Indeed, US going from a Major exporter to an Importer in a “Blink of an eye” of Oil/Gas.
    
    You can not destroy an economy as quickly as Bidens Energy policies.
    
    Venezeula is the one to watch, Already making noises.
    
    Iran has been prostituted off regarding Sanctions. The Israelis none too happy as are the Saudis.
    
    There goes Middle East Peace.
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:26am
    - Nickc2
      
      As of yesterday, NZ imports all its petroleum products from Oil Refining Countries, not Oil Producing Countries.
      Clearly, even blind Freddy (no insult intended) should have been able to see the risks involved.
      I’m informed that at best, we will have 28-days of supply at any one time (best estimates).
      Who’d want to own an Airline, Railway, Road Transport business, or Roading business with these risks involved?
      Remember, such risks need to be factored into responses to Requests for Tender in all projects (Govt and Private).
      IMO, the Govt should have taken a lease or even purchased Marsden Pt prior to yesterday. Even if they purchased it, they could put it up for lease whilst still maintaining a higher degree of Petroleum Security for NZ.
      
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      March 8, 2022 12:11pm
      - rouppe
        
        If they really wanted to ensure energy security they would have developed oil wells locally.
        
        And by “they” I mean every government of the last 25 years
        
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        March 8, 2022 2:30pm
      - Nickc2
        
        rouppe @ 2:30PM
        Sorry, I reported you by mistake.
        I agree with you to an extent. However, NZ’s oil is of limited use without blending it with a superior grade. It contains too much wax AFIK.
        Our Gas is fine but there’s not much left without further exploration.
        
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        March 8, 2022 4:51pm
- Jack5
  
  This will be why Israel’s Prime Minister is trying to mediate between Putin and Ukraine.
  
  Israel sees that the West will settle its nuclear row with Iran to get Iranian oil flowing. A nuclaer Iran is a serious dange for nuclear Israel.
  
  According to the oil site linked to below, banking restrictions have led to Russian oil exports dropping by a third in a week.
  
  Some analysts expect, that if the West extends its sanctions and bans Russian crude exports, world oil prices will reach $US150 a barrel.
  
  https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Analysts-Warn-Of-150-Oil-If-The-West-Bans-Russian-Crude.html
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:21am
  - Jack5
    
    Complicated issue for America.
    
    Get Iran oil flowing so Russian oil exports can be blocked.
    
    This likely requires approving Iranian nuclear development.
    
    This will seriously annoy Saudi Arabia, which is at odds with Iran, as well as Israel.
    
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    March 8, 2022 2:44pm
    - Jack5
      
      Apologies for these footnotes…
      
      They’ll likely now be going, “whew!” in Tel Aviv.
      
      The Iran nuclear talks in Vienna appear to have come to a standstill with Iran’s chief negotiator, Ali Bagheri-Kani, going home.
      
      The Wall Street Journal says his departure comes after Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov and his Iranian counterpart, discussed a demand by Moscow at the weekend that Washington provide it with written guarantees that Western sanctions on Ukraine wouldn’t harm future Russian-Iranian trade.
      
      The talks sought to revive a 2015 agreement that lifted most international sanctions on Tehran in exchange for tight but temporary limits on Iran’s nuclear programme.
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:44pm
    - Nickc2
      
      This would prove America’s hypocracy if he were to do it.
      IMO, Biden should open up the US’s Oil and Gas industry and use/export its own oil. Fuck Russia and Iran. Let them find their own customers for their oil.
      
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      March 8, 2022 4:41pm
ClanMcleod

So now the DHBs who sacked staff who refused to take the jab to “protect” patients are permitting covid positive staff to carry on working? How is this acceptable practice? How is this morally acceptable? On what planet is anything about this acceptable?
When is the full apology and compensation coming for those who’s lives have been destroyed?

https://t.me/voicesforfreedom/1569
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March 8, 2022 9:49am
- kevn
  
  @Clan… Try and get a blood test to show covid immunity. Impossible.
  WHY?
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:03am
  - Weetbix3ways
    
    Same reason they resisted allowing people to self-test with RATs eh?
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:14am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    I believe there was a simple diabetes type blood test at the very beginning.
    
    The Government immediately moved to make it, importing, manufacturing etc Illegal. Why you ask, I don’t think they will want to talk about it.
    
    I believe you can get a doctors certificate and pay for it yourself add up the cost, the Doctors visit, the Lab tests etc
    
    Frankly easier and far cheaper to just get Covid and recover.
    
    I got Covid, got the test to prove it, recovered from a light Flu in days.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:19am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Because Ardern made importation of ANYTHING that might have impacted negatively on the experimental vaccine rollout illegal. This included antibody testing and RATs.
    Why would you physically ban a test that would let your doctor know if you had natural antibodies? Unless you wanted to make sure as many people as possible took the experimental vaccine? Why would you do this criminal act?
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:43am
- rockape
  
  It seem sensible to me to put nurses who have had or got Covid if they feel well in the Covid wards, they must be best protected . Would I want them working in a geriatric ward ?
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    rockape that’s not the point. If it was, then the unvaccinated should never have been sacked. If they feel well then what difference is there between them working and the jabbed covid positive working? They spread it and catch it at the same rate.
    The point is, decent people have had their lives destroyed on a lie, and the hypocrisy of this DHB is absolute proof that the whole thing is a lie.
    
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    March 8, 2022 10:45am
    - rockape
      
      So would you put unvaccinated in the Covid ward ?
      
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      March 8, 2022 12:24pm
      - rouppe
        
        Why not?
        
        If they are unvaccinated and do not have covid, what is the problem?
        If they then catch covid, I’d expect they’d behave as if they caught any other ailment and stay home until they recover.
        If your worry is what happens during the asymptomatic infection period, that is no different to vaccinated asymptomatic people who can catch it as well.
        
        So what problem are you trying to solve?
        
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        March 8, 2022 2:26pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        If you can’t understand the lack of logic in what you’re saying I’m not sure what I can tell you?
        Why is it ok to have a covid positive person in a hospital ward but not an unvaccinated person? More to the point, why sack the unvaccinated person? There is more risk from the covid positive double jabbed.
        
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        March 8, 2022 3:37pm
- marcw
  
  What about the other NON infected staff working? Is it acceptable to expose them to these known covid infected staff, risking them getting ill and spreading it to their families and friends. The ethics of this are definitely wrong, and although we will all probably get a covid infection sometime, this deliberate exposure is unacceptable.
  
  Clown show of the mental midgets continues.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:13pm
  - Nickc2
    
    All this and mandates haven’t been lifted?
    Thanks Winston, you put these bastards in office.
    
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    March 8, 2022 9:20pm
RF

Our media is the best money can buy…

Not a mention of the Roy Morgan poll that shows Labour behind National.
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March 8, 2022 10:06am
- nathie
  
  The “Team of $55million” may not like that term being applied to them, but they do nothing to disprove it!
  
  That’s not even including the Sharon Mudroch and NZH cartoons holding the Opposition to account almost daily!
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:18am
  - oldfella
    
    compare the average horrid cartoon with this kind of thing from a real political cartoonist who actually holds the Govt to account.
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/cartoon-of-the-day-91
    
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    March 8, 2022 11:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s clear that media propaganda is Ardern’s primary weapon. Knowing that, surely other parties can come up with a strategy to expose it?
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:46am
  - Jack5
    
    National’s Melissa Lee has said the $55 million Public Interest Journalism Fund is not fit for purpose and must be ended.
    
    If she becomes Minister of Broadcasting, she suggests, it would be replaced by a $1 million to $2 million fund to provide a handful of roving reporters to cover regional matters.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/01/guest_post_the_future_of_new_zealand_media.html
    
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    March 8, 2022 2:50pm
- Ehlana
  
  Hi RF,
  
  The NZ Herald editors were asked about this in a Q&A with readers 4 days ago and this was their response:
  “The NZ Herald’s policy for political polls is to report only on polls by companies which have signed the New Zealand Political Polling Code. Australian-based polling company Roy Morgan is not a signatory and therefore the Herald does not use their poll results in news stories.”
  
  It would be interesting to know why Roy Morgan are not a signatory – is it simply because they are based in Australia? Are they signatories to similar standards over there?
  
  If you’re interested, the Q&A can be found here:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/qa-media-bias-and-the-55m-govt-fund-nz-herald-editors-shayne-currie-murray-kirkness-and-miriyana-alexander-answer-your-questions/
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:53am
Surely Knott

Boy how things changed. 25 March 2021. NZ Govt Covid 19- NZ Employment guidance.

“Workers do not have to tell their employer if they have been vaccinated or why they are unable or choose not to be vaccinated. ”

“Employers cannot require an individual to be vaccinated. However, employers can require a specific role be performed by a vaccinated person”

” Employers can make changes to an employee’s duties for health and safety reasons, if an employee is not vaccinated. Any such process must be fair and reasonable, and carried out in good faith. Employers must avoid unfair disadvantage. Employers, in consultation with employees, must consider options, such as changing work arrangements, alternative duties or leave. If leave is used, this must be agreed, and we encourage this be paid. Employers and employees may agree to a negotiated end of employment, but individual dismissals are unlikely to be justifiable in almost all cases, based on current circumstances”

Then the legislation changed and added the vaccination act.. Interestingly the act defines “vaccinated” a person has received the doses of the covid-19 required by the government. But the legislation NEVER defines the word vaccine. This is the key term. What is a vaccine? Is it something that stops transmission from one person to another. Because that is what the assumptions in the legislation implies and the vaccine doesn’t do that. So the legislation really says you must take a drug and the doses as determined by the government, not what that drug does nor is it fully approved by medsafe, nor does the legislation discuss the safety of the drug being forced.
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March 8, 2022 10:06am
Okahu

The cost and embarrassment of being a director out of your depth and unaware of legal and technical issues can be immense.

Look at the poor directors from Mainzeal, quagmired in legal costs in fighting to limit their responsibility for trading while insolvent.
And in so doing effectively stealing $110m from hundreds of victims.

Now these are our people people! They may have been dangerously lazy and inept, trading on reputation not ability, taking risks with other peoples assets and apparently completely unaware of directors duties. But they are us. Our people, and that means good people. Desperately, dangerously ignorant but us, so inevitably good.

I ask you. Who wishes to see these directors of financial collapse and distributed misery actually held responsible? That would make a terrible example of how good people are treated.

I am calling for a fighting fund to aid these poor maligned friends of the right. They are elite and they are us. They are being bled dry by the need for justice. And while they too are bleeding the nation dry in court costs that is right. They have rights and they are good and they are us.

Please dig deep. And when you doubt your own sanity at the depth of your generosity, dig deeper. QC’s don’t come cheap. The need to keep our people in hair dye and out of the poor house is desperate.

I will open an account under the name They are us, at the Bank of the Bahamas and you can be sureish every Ruble you donate will reach someone.

Forget Ukraine. Forget Tonga. Forget poverty because these are our people and they must not have to face the damage they have wrought with their blissful ignorance of decency and the law.

This is our fight. These are our people.
Dig deep. Weep at your own decency as you empty your bank accounts and torpedo your businesses’ in this fight. What can be more important than showing those evil bastards on the left that we will not break, we stand side by side with our people and we will do what must be done to ensure we are never responsible?

The tyranny of justice must not settle like a suffocating blanket on our dreams.
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March 8, 2022 10:29am
- All_on_Red
  
  https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/03/manhattan-das-case-against-trump-fell-apart-because-it-was-rushed-lacked-evidence/
  
  Next time maybe huh
  Hahahahahahahaha
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:00pm
ClanMcleod

I will watch the second one this afternoon, the letter to Andrew Hill video is damning. I am in a state of shock.
If there was still a death penalty he should be swinging. And I oppose capital punishment, but the man is clearly guilty as sin and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands at a very minimum. What an abhorrent excuse for a human being.
Did they have dirt on him or how much did they pay him? What a pos.
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March 8, 2022 10:29am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So he’s being set up as the fall guy on this then? Not all the rest of the medical, political and media establishment who took the silver from Big Pharma.
  
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  March 8, 2022 10:45am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    No he’s not being “set up”. He’s hoist with his own petard. If you watch the video, it’s clearly evident he deliberately changed and/or suppressed information that could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. The rest of the guilty will fall equally when the evidence appears as it does here.
    Talking of which, has anyone seen Fauci? Maybe him and Gaylord are on a fishing mission somewhere?
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:37pm
artemisia

So no mandated iwi run supermarkets then. Unless the government decides to ignore the ComCom report. Compulsory code of conduct looks like the way the government will be able to make an announcement. Wow.

It was reported last year that My Food Bag is the #3 food supplier to the nation. Since then they have been ramping up supply of additional items – food, fridge, household – and plan to carry on increasing. Maybe they will need a code of conduct too so that all their low income customers get a better deal. //
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March 8, 2022 10:33am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf to myself last night when 1EWES showed the clip of Vlad joking about his ‘joystick’ with all the Aeroflot Flight Attendants 😀

First thing I noticed, they were ALL Female!

Guess they don’t have too many Guys apply in Russia. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1500101608306360322
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March 8, 2022 10:36am
graham

NZ Herald yesterday: “We try very hard not to publish alarmist headlines etc.”

NZ Herald headline today: “Tiny detail in Putin clip breaks the internet”

Really? “Breaks the internet”? Damn, I must have missed that, because I’ve been working just fine …
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March 8, 2022 10:52am
- Batman
  
  Stupid shite gets clicks.
  
  It wouldn’t be as fun to write “bad compression on Reddit upload of video makes objects glitch”
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:18am
  - graham
    
    Very true, Batman.
    
    I just thought that a newspaper that claims “More than ever, people are trusting us to deliver factual, timely and balanced news” and in the very next sentence snobbily proclaims how they’re definitely nothing like social media, might try to avoid the social media clickbait-style headlines.
    
    What next? “OMG!!! You’re using a cheese grater all wrong!!!”, with subtext “This cheese-grating video goes viral and breaks the internet – it will change your life!”
    
    But hey, if that’s how one of the leading newspapers in the country wants to position themselves, far be it from me to interfere …
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:12pm
- Ehlana
  
  According to headlines on the internet, it is broken frequently – often by videos posted on YouTube. Usually ones you’ve never heard of.
  
  Unfortunately, the tendency to write headlines which misrepresent the story below is a very old one – I remember it happening back in the days of Clark, Helen Clark, that is, no e.
  
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  March 8, 2022 11:34am
Surely Knott

Spiked declares NZ the Wokest Country in the World. Ouch!
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/07/new-zealand-the-wokest-country-in-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR04GLa5WaFfGC7yai2Cmsy486qNnMDmOXJ5Oh_M7Pt919MfJuMsefkqAGQ
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March 8, 2022 11:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  As a proud kiwi, that makes for humiliating reading. This progression is in lock-step with our Overton Window panning left. And worse, there are no political leaders present or apparent that have any plan to fix this. But not to worry, eh? Luxon will bravely sort out tax bracket for us. Phew! /s
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:01pm
  - bjools
    
    Take the baby steps, Labour will never do it.
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:19pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Second time I’ve heard of the Overton window lately. Apparently it comes from https://www.mackinac.org/ and the key idea is that politicians “will only espouse policies that they believe do not hurt their electoral chances. And the range of policy options available to a politician are shaped by ideas, social movements and shared norms and values within society.”
    
    It sounds obvious, but it does have the implication that politicians are more followers than leaders and that, if you really want to make change happen, you need to work through the social institutions first.
    
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    March 8, 2022 12:32pm
Oldmate

I tested positive for Covid yesterday, must’ve had it since Friday.

Only symptoms were achy body and feeling very warm (not quite a fever).

Watched movies all day then had a full nights sleep.

Woke up feeling 95% today. I believe it’s all over.

I much prefer this over the cold & flu. Obviously others will have different experiences, although all my friends have had it and had around about the same experience.

I’m unvaccinated and so are half of my friends. The vaccinated half had similar if not worse symptoms. All mild however, apart from one friend that is unvaccinated and very immunocompromised. He had flu like symptoms, but not as bad as RSV.

I know this is personal and anecdotal, but it is what happened. Friend group that got Covid would be 15 people. Including two pregnant unvaccinated.

Not sure if that’s interesting or not. But I found it interesting considering 2 years of this craziness.
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March 8, 2022 11:15am
- Surely Knott
  
  I think it’s interesting. Especially in a world of so much obvious propaganda, personal first hand observation is everything. NZ was able to keep spinning for so long because until the virus arrived it was all theory, but now that it intersects with reality and actual experience people have access to hard information.
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:36pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s good empirical evidence that reinforces the fact we have been lied to repeatedly by government and their “experts”. Real world evidence was always going to be needed to shred this flawed narrative.
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:42pm
- Pavel
  
  Me and my kids have had it too and our symptoms were just like yours. It was like a hangover but without the headache, more the relax and recharge part of a hangover you get when the headache clears but you’re tired and feel the need to laze about on the couch for the afternoon and eat something nutritious to recharge and replenish your system. I’m unvaccinated too and kept up my regular 30 Winnie blues a day all through it, a habit I’ve had for 28 years. What a crock the last 2 years have been alright.
  A big reason why mandates are being dropped all over the world is because enough people have had it, delta and omnicron, and this is what they experienced and they’re asking the same questions as you. The game is over and the spin doctors are now on speed dial.
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:24pm
  - Batman
    
    And the six million who have died would say you’re a lucky bastard, Pavel.
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:50pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      That’s 0.075% of the world’s population. You’d have to be a very unlucky bastard.
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:02pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      With Covid, or from Covid?
      
      What is the case for excess deaths, as a global trend, 2020-2022?
      Or will the response to the pandemic be driving excess deaths in years to come?
      
      Covid was a new way to die.
      But also a great way to sell newspapers and get clicks.
      Six million might have been murdered in WW2. But there is not a clear case that 6 million additional deaths were caused by Covid alone.
      LOL, I remember the ‘people dropping dead in the street’ in India, pictures shown by the media, and a workmate trapped there said it was death from heat exhaustion as they walked to their remote villages after the cities locked down and jobs were lost.
      Now there is a whole lot less cancer being detected in NZ over the last couple of years, due to lack of screening and biopsies etc.
      We need to look at this Covid-narrative both with nuance, pragmatism, and bullshit detectors.
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:17pm
      - Batman
        
        More weak bullshit hair splitting from the pro-virus lobby, I see.
        
        As far as I can see, we are being entirely pragmatic about Omicron, at the expense of our healthcare workers who are under the pump right now.
        
        We’ve turned the corner thanks to this version of the virus.
        
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        March 8, 2022 5:54pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Here we go Batman, how many died “with” and how many died “from”? Then we can get into the age profiles, comorbidities, deliberately misreported due to financial incentives, deliberately misreported for political agendas, like the shooting victim in NZ.
      It’s a silly, meaningless throwaway line.
      
      Have a look how many die of hunger and related diseases every single day, then come back to me.
      
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      March 8, 2022 3:42pm
      - Pavel
        
        Imagine if we put as much effort into solving world hunger as we have covid. 10s of thousands of people dying from starvation every day, most of them children, and we have a readily avaliable cure for it to.
        
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        March 8, 2022 5:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’ve pretty much felt like that every day for the last 15 years.
  So how long have I had it?
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:39pm
Maggie Pie

Heeeeeere’s ClarkE…. 😀

https://twitter.com/NZClarke/status/1500933145482641409
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March 8, 2022 11:25am
- Inandout
  
  I now know where Jacindaphiles hang out and they keep refering to her as a beautiful, strong and successful woman. You would need blinkers to think like that.
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:13pm
  - bjools
    
    She is Barbie
    Sold on her looks
    Artificial….Barbie is plastic
    Vacuous ….barbie is hollow
    Comes in a cardboard and cellophane box, that is useless once you take the doll out……Labour Party.
    
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    March 8, 2022 2:55pm
I remember when

Siouxsie Wiles New Year Resolution:
“I resolve to behave to the standards I demand that everyone must reach.”
Meanwhile in a parallel universe…..
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March 8, 2022 11:32am
Maggie Pie

I see there’s another report on my partner’s desk from his Forex Adviser guy this morning…… ‘inflation will likely be 7.4% for Q2 and the RBNZ will be commencing 50bp rate hikes’.

Thort it might be worth sharing with the group. (although i doubt ‘milkey’ would know what a forex adviser was even if he woke up next to one. LOL!!)
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March 8, 2022 11:58am
- westernScientest
  
  gold futures have been pushing the 2000USD mark a bit over the last day as well
  
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  March 8, 2022 12:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder how many picked up on my partner’s reference here on GD a couple of weeks back re USD v RUB
    
    He was saying it’s down 50% in the last 2 weeks….despite the silly int rates on offer.
    Still more big falls by all accounts.
    
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    March 8, 2022 1:29pm
- westernScientest
  
  I mentioned this a few days ago as well, and now here we are:
  https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/wheat-price?op=1
  Wheat up 40% in a week, Food is going to go up even faster, Ukraine produces a lot of commodity crops.
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:47pm
oldfella

Hungarian neurosurgeon’s application to work in Dunedin rejected by NZ medical authorities
Leading British neurosurgeons, including the president of the British Neurosurgical Society, are bewildered New Zealand medical authorities have declined to register a former colleague to work at Dunedin Hospital.
Lucas Rakasz has worked in several prominent English hospitals, has helped train neurosurgeons, and volunteered to help on Covid-19 wards at the height of the first wave of the pandemic.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hungarian-neurosurgeons-application-to-work-in-dunedin-rejected-by-nz-medical-authorities/WLX66ELXHOAUIBNPQCIMZVZDGE/
We should be welcoming people like this, not making him sound like another Milan Brych!
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March 8, 2022 12:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Perhaps he was asked what his voting preference would be if granted residence/citizenship?
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:22pm
- septic skeptic
  
  He doesn’t have the right school tie old boy – can’t let blokes like that into the club!
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:28pm
- marcw
  
  To be fair, neither do we want a repeat of the Keith Ramstead disaster.
  
  https://www.casemine.com/judgement/in/5779fbb9e561096c931318c9
  
  This neurosurgeon I understand has lodged an appeal against the decisions of the NZ medical register board, and we should wait for the outcome of that case before we pass judgement.
  
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  March 8, 2022 1:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Surgeons operating a closed shop (has been a problem with other monopolistic specialists like opthamologists restricting who can work in nz to boost their incomes into 7 figures)
  
  Or might he be the wrong colour?
  
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  March 8, 2022 4:11pm
- Ehlana
  
  Since he is permitted to practice general medicine here, the problem is presumably not his adherence to the Treaty.
  It will be interesting to see where this case ends up. On the face of it, someone qualified to work in the NHS I would expect to be capable of working in NZ.
  
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  March 8, 2022 4:19pm
septic skeptic

Newshub mathematics. This is a direct cut and paste:

It comes as the cost of living skyrockets with Kiwis spending on average an extra $4000 to $5000 in the past 12 months on basics such as food, rent and fuel. The majority of the increase is fuel with an extra $678 a year at the pump on average.

What can you say?
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March 8, 2022 12:12pm
Okahu

A truck in Ireland crashes through the gates of the Russian Embassy. No worries comrades, merely a special parking operation.

Putrin decries crippling sanctions. No worries comrade, merely a special economic operation.

I predict this one will have legs.
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March 8, 2022 12:38pm
alloytoo

And in another report from the land of insane mandates.

My wife works in a mandated industry and as such is required to have the booster shot in order to continue working.

HOWEVER she is recovering from Covid and MOH has advised her that she cannot receive a booster within 3 months of contracting Covid.

Can’t work without booster, can’t get booster.
GP cannot issue exception on what is clearly a medical issue, exemption has to be issued by MOH.

This is a bureaucratic insanity.
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March 8, 2022 1:10pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Govt bureaucracy has ever been the home of unthinking functionaires without a skerrick of common sense or ability to feel shame in their doctrinal adherence to clearly worse than useless rules. Everyone with a brain and any pride avoids public service like the plague it is or quickly finds a more honest and worthy alternative that they can actually feel good about.
  
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  March 8, 2022 5:16pm
cas

On the Parliament channel they are running a series Looking Back. I just chanced upon an interview by Brian Edwards of Bill Rowling done in 1976. It reminded me what an excellent interviewer he was. He asked incisive, probing questions, followed up when necessary and didn’t hesitate to put questions to Rowling about his suitability for the job of Pm. I am sure he would have been equally good on Ardern and certainly would not have let her go off on a tangent when answering questions. The programme was follwed by one on private prisons from Frontline which at the time was fronted like Lindsay Perigo. The quality of journos these days cf those days is hopeless ( apart from Lisa Owen and Ryan Bridge). Like Mani Dunlop on Midday report two days in a row – 1st day was asking an indigenous disinformation research about why Maori had fallen down rabbit holes( it’s colonisation) and the 2nd day the first question to the British High Commissioner about the trade deal was all about what ever clause there is about indigenous stuff
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March 8, 2022 1:26pm
In Vino Veritas

“Alec Baldwin responded to the lawsuits seeking to hold him accountable for last year’s fatal shooting on the set of the indie western Rust, claiming he is being targeted because he is wealthy”.
Couldn’t possibly be because he pulled the trigger of a gun loaded with live ammo and killed someone, could it? These Hollywood types have literally zero shame. Along with many of them having the intellectual fire power of an amoeba.
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March 8, 2022 1:31pm
andretti

Watch the below video of the Germans laughing and mocking Trump during his speech to them about how foolish they were in buying Russian gas.
They are not laughing now!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBvCCTzTzuk
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March 8, 2022 1:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  The Germans are not that smart. They’ve lost two World Wars and all-but four World Cups – just saying.
  
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  March 8, 2022 2:05pm
Maggie Pie

THE 4 MOST DREADED WORDS ON RADIO…..

“Sigh and James are next”

(Signal to immediately switch to 98.2)
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March 8, 2022 2:20pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Cmon Maggie – even you could learn something off these guys.
  Big discussion this afternoon. About butter and margarine.
  How do you get butter that’s in the fridge soft enough to spread??
  No-one rang up or txt my simple solution: few secs in the microwave.
  Sigh very suspicious of foreign butter, the ingredients of margarine and probably microwave rays contaminating butter.
  Maybe if we all ate more butter it would cure the flu?
  
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  March 8, 2022 5:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Ma tried listening to them once….reckoned they spent all day ass-licking Jacinda, and the rest of it reading out txts that they sent each other about how great they are!
    
    Even Katie & Mike reckon they’re a pair of puerile wankers 😀
    
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    March 8, 2022 5:51pm
  - Inandout
    
    Grav, we buy semi-soft butter and it works a treat from the fridge.
    
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    March 8, 2022 5:57pm
Maggie Pie

I know everyone likes me sharing the txts from our Ukrainian cleaning lady….

“Putin tells Zelensky that Russia will halt it’s invasion ‘in a heartbeat’, if Kyiv agrees to give up 3 key regions…Lugansk, Donetsk, and Crimea”
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March 8, 2022 3:15pm
I remember when

What a shambles the covid daily totals are turning into.
Does the MoH really care about an accurate total?
If they wanted something that a least gave an indication, they would be standardising results of positive PCR results against a set number of testing station daily tests.
Properly done it should give some idea of how accurate the RAT results were.
We have 2x 23,000 5 days apart, 2x 22,000 2 days apart, 2x 17,000 6 days apart and 2x 15,000 7 days apart.
Also no obvious peak.
Do the MoH and government know.
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March 8, 2022 3:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Where is Fauci?
https://rumble.com/vwjinb-wheres-fauci.html?
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March 8, 2022 3:21pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just got me to shoot up fill the cars and check the oil.

He was saying Brent just touched 140 pb.

🙁
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March 8, 2022 4:25pm
- skyblue
  
  It’s only USD120/b at the moment. Stop your scaremongering. Next you will say there is a cost of living crisis.
  
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  March 8, 2022 5:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner said you must be quoting ‘WTI’ you silly!!
    
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    March 8, 2022 8:43pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Going to tell my son he’s welcome to leave his gas guzzler here and use our Nissan LEAF electric car to commute to work.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:41pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

And here’s something you may not have been aware of….

You can now tweet death threats toward Vlad and any other Russian officials, in a special ‘bad guys’ carve out of Twitters terms of service.

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1501006479003983878

(I just showed my partner…..he said “Fill ya boots!” )
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March 8, 2022 4:57pm
Batman

In news that you just can’t make up:

“Just out: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene bought stock in America’s LARGEST defense contractor, Lockheed Martin $LMT, a day before tweeting “War and rumors of war is incredibly profitable…” (report condensed).”

https://t.co/hPagelAPMA
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March 8, 2022 5:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Bat, need I have looked, yes a Republican. Have you watched Huckabee showing the tangled web that is the Washington swamp. He has a chart that often shows interests that flow back to Hillary and Biden’s band of advisors.
  
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  March 8, 2022 6:03pm
  - Batman
    
    Huckabee? Fuck me you may as well cite Alex Jones and tell me Hillary is making the frogs gay.
    
    Yes, I’m sure the chart is very illuminating and somehow neatly links the Clintons, Obamas, George Soros, Bill Gates etc. All without a shred of actual evidence of any nefarious connection.
    
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    March 8, 2022 7:56pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Thank you for demonstrating why you are so ignorant
      Hey, got to say you worshiping Pagan Gods and Creationism is reeeeal funny.
      Looking forward to prayers tomorrow?
      LOL
      
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      March 8, 2022 8:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  Raytheon for me.
  
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  March 8, 2022 8:07pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Jez Batman, these people are seriously retarded, but this is no worse than Pelosi and her husband (and that’s not defending either of them) which escaped coverage with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC etc. I was looking at some of the stuff Harris has come out with, and still reckon that she has to be the Jacinda Ardern of America.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:21pm
greybeard

“The number of vouchers issued to a single passport did not necessarily equate with an individual entering MIQ, he said.

“It is only indicative of the number of … vouchers issued. We do not record whether an issued voucher was actually used.”

Christ Almighty: what is it about these people? Do they
think that whatever they say is automatically believed by
the rest of us?
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March 8, 2022 6:27pm
Maggie Pie

Anybody else noticed the look that guy in the 2nd row behind the PM, I think it’s Kieran McAnulty, gets on his face when Cindy rises to answer a question?

Honestly, he creeps me the f–k out 🙁
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March 8, 2022 7:28pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yes McAnulty is a bit of a twit. And he talks like an Australian. And he represents Wairarapa. That’s 3 strikes.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:49pm
Don Beckett

This could – I say COULD – well be the trigger to escalate the Russia/Ukraine conflict into a wider war.
Tucker Carlson sets it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PC7DzTRS7A
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March 8, 2022 8:09pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Tucker Carlson has always, until this evening, looked like a supercilious prick.
  Actually he is very very good.
  Is this a turning point in world history?
  Toilet stop for me now, as Tucker Carlson has just scared the shit out of me.
  
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  March 8, 2022 9:44pm

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