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Warren

The media have been waiting in the wings patiently waiting for a National Party MP to break the ranks and give them the ammunition to say there is a fracture between their Leader and it’s MP’s.
It hasn’t taken long for Maureen Pugh to give them that excuse with her story of first National MP’s were talking to the protesters on a daily basis and the changing her story to National Party Members with ” we had National Party members talking on a daily basis”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/covid-anti-mandate-protest-national-mp-maureen-pugh-claims-party-members-were-meeting-with-demonstrators.html
Maybe Simon Bridges was right in his apparent words to Jamie Lee Ross which caused eruptions in the National Party when he was Leader calling Maureen Pugh fucking useless.
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March 6, 2022 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  I was a bit concerned about the thrust of Luxon’s interview in newsrooms, which also btw insulted him.
  
  ‘Asked whether he would need to break some of his MPs who are in the habit of being more oppositional in their approach, Luxon was lost for words, instead making some sort of throat clicking noise and bursting into laughter.’
  
  MP’s , are they ‘loyalist to the party fanatics’ or are they there to , you know , represent the people who sent them to the house of representatives .
  
  It’s not called the house of representatives for nothing .
  
  And the very word parliament comes from parler , speaking . Is it that they only speak to each other under direction of a “leader” or do they speak for all of us .
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:33am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He would have been gob smacked by the pathetic are you gunna break them bullshit
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:33pm
  - rockape
    
    We lost electorate representation when we voted for MMP. We now have party hacks as MPS.
    
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    March 6, 2022 2:00pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, straight from the halls of Marxist Bullshit (University) straight into Parliament.
      
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      March 6, 2022 2:04pm
- Prince
  
  Is it possible some of the protestors could have been Act, Green, NZ First, Maori Party supporters, or even, perish the thought, some Labour supporters who had lost their jobs, or who just believed they had a right to protest ?
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:35am
  - pdm
    
    Prince – All parties seemed to be represented with 29% Labour the biggest party representation as I recall. There is a graph somewhere which sets it ou by party.
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:00am
    - MCōs
      
      The survey I saw related to which party the protesters had voted for.
      Having said that almost certainly Labour Party members were there, and Greens, Maori Party, ACT, but none of those parties announced they were in contact with them.
      Joining a party is the easiest thing in the world except for hard core outfits such as the Communists.
      The mainstream parties go for quantity rather than commitment.
      
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      March 6, 2022 12:06pm
  - backster
    
    Here is the poll https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/parliamentary-protest-poll-results-february-2022
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:31pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The poll they did suggest 75% were of those parties you suggest
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:34pm
  - curry4me
    
    All of the above.
    
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    March 6, 2022 3:37pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    All Labour voters are happy and content under Cindy’s leadership. Why would they protest?
    
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    March 6, 2022 6:04pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am only hearing anger to Labour from people everywhere, including life time Labour supporters
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:46pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The problem is the press realise she is a weak link. They will always be on the lookout for her saying anything outside the approved COVID narrative.
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:25am
- coge
  
  It’s become clear, judging by vast amounts of social media feedback. Luxon isn’t quite what he’d want us to believe. He’s struggling. The “popularity” he enjoys is his manufactured caucus popularity.
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:26am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bullshit, the FB organised smear by the rotten protest organisers, if you believe all those idiotic post, you are as silly as them
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:37pm
    - coge
      
      It appears there is a significant problem. Up to National to sort it out. Hopefully later this year, when things will have become more evident.
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:50pm
    - Sean OConnor
      
      G, would you say that National owns your vote, or is it merely a multi-year lease?
      Has there ever been an election where you felt there was a good justification for voting for someone else?
      Ever?
      
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      March 6, 2022 7:48pm
- Matt Long
  
  She engaged with a post on her Facebook page, with a kind of defense of her party’s actions.
  I find it quite fascinating that Reti’s Facebook and I’m assuming all the other Nat Mps have regular posts with screeds of negative comment on National, the mandates and protests, but never a response. Is the social media strategy for the Nats to help people understand that even in opposition their concerns won’t be heard?
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The social media smear is organised, funny how Reti is not being targeted, but all others including people who are past MPs are, have a think, the answer is in your post
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:39pm
    - Matt Long
      
      So who is organising it I wonder? All these right wing voices carefully orchestrated against National? Seymour, could be except people aren’t exactly cheering on his social media either. Labour’s grass roots viral genius Trevor Mallard? Is it Machiavellian Matt Macarten, the new Campaign chair for the angry shoutty guy? The WEF, except they are driving the mandates and hate the protesters.
      I’m guessing it’s aliens, yes aliens are orchestrating a campaign of criticism against National on their Facebook pages and giving G hurty feelings. How very inconsiderate of them.
      Meanwhile for the rest of us, love your stance on mandates Chris, you and Jacinda sing a lovely duet. Take our freedoms harder baby.
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:47pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That’s the problem, you believe the bullshit they are ex Nat voters, it’s utter bullshit , I have spoken to several Nat and leftie voters, not one person is out raged by the Nats. In fact they are saying the Nats were right, yet all the time Nats are calling for a date to end mandates
        
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        March 6, 2022 5:19pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        G the Giant: I’m outraged by National. I used to be a supporter. I am an ex-supporter due to many of their outrageous decisions. This protest decision just ba is my decision.
        
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        March 6, 2022 6:26pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I don’t believe they are all ex Nat voters or anything else for that matter, they are potential voters, they are engaged enough with National to subscribe to their local member’s page.
        As they scroll through Facebook they see messages from their friends with pictures of old guys getting KOed by cops, about the family festival air at the protests, also about Luxon lying about them and their friends being ferals.
        Then they scroll to the page of their National MP, they tell them National is behaving like dicks, the Karen’s are also there abusing the freedom protesters.
        If you want to accuse anyone of orchestral manoeuvres give Zuckerberg a blast.
        National has a pool of engaged potential voters and the best they can do is piss them off.
        
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        March 6, 2022 6:52pm
- Surely Knott
  
  The article says the government’s defence is they have three new CDC studies which shows the booster is effective against transmission of Omicron, which they will use to defend their position.
  But we weren’t mandated for the booster through the Omicron outbreak. We were mandated for 2 shots which the evidence shows were ineffective as well as the obvious real world evidence that everyone knows people both double and triple vaxxed that have covid. . So are they going to argue retrospectively that three shots work when only 2 shots were required for the vax pass. And now they want you to have 3 shots after we’ve all been exposed to omicron.
  
  Second: The purpose of the protection framework law is “is to prevent, and limit the risk of, the outbreak or spread of COVID-19” Clearly it has failed to do this. There is a widespread outbreak.
  
  Third. Denmark says covid is no longer socially critical. The Australian ex – health minister says it is less potent than the flu as does the head of NZ GP’s. So why is it still worthy of emergency powers here. The word pandemic to most people meant something severe. Omicron is not. It is now a heavy cold that has been used for the largest overreach of state powers in nz history. I hope the judge kicks the whole thing to touch and awards penalties. .
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:57am
  - bythesea
    
    south australia just dropped the police mandate.
    court case coming up in a week’s time
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-04/vaccine-mandate-for-sa-police-revoked/100881214
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She did not say MPs, she said party members, snd they probably did, if the media think this is somehow a smoking gun, then they can take a hike
  
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  March 6, 2022 12:32pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Whatever happened to the National Party being a broad church?
  
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  March 6, 2022 1:29pm
  - curry4me
    
    They joined Branch Covidians. No room for dissent. Excommunication looms.
    
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    March 6, 2022 3:41pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    It’s only ever a broad church when the liberals want to push the boundaries. Chris ‘Get Boosted’ Bishop can agree with Labour on every moral issue, but God forbid Haretw Hipango actually hold a conservative position on abortion, or vaccines.
    
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    March 6, 2022 7:54pm
billyt

Honest question, what is this government up to, I see they are looking at appealing the high court decision Vaccine Mandates: Government to Fight Fire with Science in High Court | Newsroom
Are they set to double down on mandates and mandate the booster to be considered fully vaccinated under Govt mandates, the above article would suggest so. (all to save face)
The high court is absolutely right in questioning the efficacy of a 2-jab mandate in stopping or even materially slowing down Omicron transmission, anyone that hasn’t been completely brainwashed and has a handle on the numbers know the current caseload in New Zealand is largely a pandemic (or shall we just call it a sickness) of the vaccinated.
The govt has already mandated teachers, health & some others to get the booster (even though Jacinda has said only a week ago that the mandates will be lifted once we are past the peak)
My question will this be extended to the other government departments, Police, Defence and private companies who have either legislated govt mandates or their no jab no job policy based on safety in work place assessments.
I work in the public service and I don’t want or need the booster.
Surely given that 900,000 New Zealanders that are currently eligible for the booster but haven’t had it would suggest the Govt just don’t have the numbers or half arsed arguments this time to ram this through??
Not to mention the 831,000 people who aren’t eligible for their booster yet, Johnny and Jane come lately’s who were hesitant or down right forced to have their two doses through no jab no job coercion and societal pressure.
These folk I suspect won’t exactly be lining up for the booster especially given this whole ordeal looks to be drawing to a close.
And for the obvious fact with 10 people in ICU and a reported caseload of 168,000 active cases (a huge underestimation based on farcical testing/isolation regime) the reality isn’t remotely living up to the hysterical end of humanity as we know it predictions of an overwhelmed health system.
Add in the approximately 200-250,000 who are not vaccinated at all and the numbers alone would say this would be political suicide!!
Surely the protest in Wellington would be just a spirted training run to the main event if they double down on mandated booster shots -thoughts??
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March 6, 2022 8:02am
- Don Beckett
  
  The only way now that I see will stop our maniac government is massive civil disobedience – the trouble is that there are so many Karens and those who have swallowed the lies and misinformation from the government that I doubt the numbers would be high enough. If the 30% of the people who supported the Freedom protest kicked it off, it could work.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:16am
  - pdm
    
    DB – you are so right about the Karens.
    
    We have three intelligent daughters who are embedded in the Jacinda camp and think she can do no wrong.
    
    mrspdm and I are rying hard to work out where we went wrong with them – ages 51, 49 and 47.
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:28am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      The appeal of people who say nice appealing things, ponys for everyone! and (for women in particular) promise to provide for all their wants – a surrogate parent/partner to obviate the need for supporting yourself. Downside being that they don’t have any understanding or concern for the unintended and damaging unintended but inevitable consequences of their superficial, ‘kind’ fixes for complex problems (and this government are incredibly lightweight intellectually, seemingly lacking basic understanding of economics and science). Good intentions alone won’t deliver good outcomes, and governments that put all their focus and energy into propaganda will inevitably fail to deliver useful results.
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:45am
    - cmm
      
      Was it you that went wrong or was it the inevitable result of the schooling system they went through followed by social media and the pressures being applied through the schools etc their kids are now going through?
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:51am
    - BAM
      
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      There’s STILL appalling sexism within many workplaces by managers.
      Men will promote men over women 99 times out of 100 irrespective if the female has the better skill set.
      
      That is why Ardern is popular with females.
      
      The issue is not with your daughters but with the males they are forced to associate within both professional and private settings
      
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      March 6, 2022 10:01am
      - pdm
        
        Bam – as an almost 76 year old male I always thought men promoted the best person for the job and it was women who discriminated and worked on quotas based on race and gender.
        
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        March 6, 2022 11:09am
      - BAM
        
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        Go talk to your daughters and ask about the sexism they’ve had to put up with during their working careers.
        
        It will open your eyes.
        
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        March 6, 2022 11:21am
      - alloytoo
        
        Well there’s a statement unsupported by reality.
        
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        March 6, 2022 11:31am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not in the public sector, BAM old friend.
        
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        March 6, 2022 1:34pm
      - Homas
        
        I don’t doubt that plenty of women sincerely believe they are victims of sexism in the workplace or otherwise – but let’s put the validity of such beliefs in perspective given our objective empirical knowledge of the female psyche.
        
        Take, for example, the female capacity to deal with physical pain. In actual fact, an enormous and robust body of experimental and clinical evidence* shows that men have a markedly superior capacity for pain both in terms of threshold and tolerance. But if you were to suggest this to the average laywoman, you would be immediately subject to a shrieking solipsistic rant focusing on childbirth and women’s plumbing issues (because, apparently, in evolutionary terms, there ain’t no pain but female pain?).
        
        So how is this all relevant? Well, it tells us that a certain half of the population is capable of being absolutely adamant in its own superior self-assessment of its sensitivity to life’s travails, while, in fact, actually being significantly more sensitive to same.
        
        A wise person would, to put it lightly, take the complaints of such people with a grain of salt.
        
        *And that’s without considering the gendered patterns in the prevalence of “kondishuns” with “chronic” and/or “syndrome” in the title.
        
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        March 6, 2022 2:34pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Part of the problem with NZ, apparent through the pandemic, is that we have feminised the mindset of the nation.
        
        When I went through primary school 1/2 – 2/3 of the teachers were men. This gave boys role models and teachers that had a natural empathy with them. When we were restless it was standard practice to get us outdoors and play sports. I am sure we were better students after burning off some energy.
        
        Nowadays, the number of male teachers in Primary school would be 10-15%. The boys in my daughters class get punished for restless behaviour by making the class miss out on PE. The majority of the teachers just don’t really get boys.
        
        Don’t get me wrong, both sexes are essential and valuable in our society. But scale this feminisation up on a National scale and we have a nation with less testosterone. This results in less pluck and more susceptibility to the be kind, hide under your bed to protect the vulnerable myth.
        
        It has taken many years of social engineering to get to this point. It is hard to see what will get the pendulum to swing back the other way.
        
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        March 6, 2022 7:44pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Sorry pdm, but perhaps you over estimate the intelligence of your daughters? Still being on board with Ardern’s Covid insanity is a fairly good indication that they are operating on emotion not cognition.
      
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      March 6, 2022 11:54am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      My commiserations.
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:32pm
    - kevn
      
      Sorry for you. Maybe the 3 girls are basically unaffected and live as usual.
      Known as the ‘I’m alright Jack’ syndrome.
      
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      March 6, 2022 6:11pm
    - Mike H S
      
      Where did you go wrong? Did you teach them basic economics. I find that when people understand economics they no longer support the socialists.
      
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      March 6, 2022 7:12pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Let’s see what happens on March 15 if she has the guts to go, if she is booed out of town, then it’s over, I suggest she simple it turn up
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:41pm
    - chukar
      
      What’s happening March 15?
      I live in the country and would love to hear
      Thanks!
      
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      March 6, 2022 4:52pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        March 15? , ghez, some have short memories about Cindy and her Muslim hugfest and hijab disgrace, will she not do a 2 year anniversary?
        
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        March 6, 2022 9:50pm
  - redeye
    
    Can I just slip in here the latest ANZ-Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence.
    ANZ-Roy Morgan NZ Consumer Confidence down 16pts to a record low of 81.7 in February as COVID-19 cases increase rapidly
    https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8918-anz-roy-morgan-nz-consumer-confidence-march-4-2022-202203040033
    As the saying goes, governments lose office. oppositions dont win it. Or something like that.
    
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    March 6, 2022 3:32pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Get ready for a Morgan political poll this week, followed up by Curia a few days after
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:52pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  “Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake” immediately comes to mind
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’m a bit more optimistic. The vaccine pass system will collapse under the weight of infections in the vaccinated. They will never be renewed beyond the current expiry date.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:53am
  - bjools
    
    Bloody hope so.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:12am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    BY – I agree that is what should happen if this was based on logic and rational thought. Unfortunately the circus we live in is run on fear and emotion. They are now overplaying the severity of Omicron. Next it will be how deadly this years variant of the flu is. Jacinda has already started the mental conditioning on this. The control will continue.
    
    We are at war and we can’t hope to win by standing on the sidelines. At some point more people are going to need to grow a backbone and challenge this at all levels of society. From what I can tell though most people will just go along with this unless they are directly impacted.
    
    Now I can see this, I realise I should have done more to oppose when MIQ and border workers were mandated to take the vax. But since the teacher and health worker mandates I have refused to be part of the system. It’s clear that you either actively oppose the system or support the system – tacitly or overtly. There’s no grey area with this.
    
    Joining the resistance will cost you your entertainment, cafes, restaurants, libraries, gyms, pools…You may be labelled an anti-vaxer, vilified, smeared. You won’t legally be allowed a haircut. But what price are you prepared to pay to get your country back?
    
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    March 6, 2022 2:02pm
    - Jim
      
      If the vaccine passes are further extended (more vaccine requirements) and mandates don’t go, sadly leaving NZ will be the only option. This is something I never anticipated I would say.
      
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      March 6, 2022 7:25pm
      - Clownworld
        
        Join the club, some of us already left.
        
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        March 6, 2022 9:17pm
- Justitia
  
  Labour’s “political suicide” sounds good to me. They are stupid enough to do this under their doctrinaire leadership. Bring it on!
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:03am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    May be tough to leave NZ if you’re unvaxxed
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:19pm
- CJames
  
  I thought you could only appeal a decision on points of law with the evidence that was presented before the case in the original trial. I didn’t think you could introduce new evidence. Maybe one of the lawyers could clarify this.
  
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  March 6, 2022 3:17pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m not a Laywer, I’m too honest for that. However, we do live in a time where legal opinion or lack thereof, can be bought/acquired.
    Just cast an eye over all those lumps under Cindy’s Office carpet. Trevor Mallard should be able to attest to the validity of them all, but he won’t.
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:57pm
- cjn
  
  Apparently you can’t buy an apartment in this retirement village unless you are vaccinated. This is a policy that the company has imposed, rather than the government.
  
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  March 6, 2022 3:47pm
- Jim
  
  Or our corporate media start doing some real research on the important questions like this questioning why Pfizer went to court to stop their trial data being released before 75 years! Fishy fishy fishy, so well done to GB News covering this angle.
  https://youtu.be/9IRiyfSwzLU
  
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  March 6, 2022 7:49pm
krazykiwi

This week I tested +ve for Covid. I had been curious about expected symptoms and illness progression but found little about this on the MoH websites. What can be found there is largely inadequate and/or outdated guidance. But that’s a story for a different post.

My purpose here is to outline my experience, not because it’s special or notable but precisely because it is neither.

Much like a courtroom, I have found the evidence and testimony is important for getting to the truth. My evidence is here, and my testimony is that I have never had a cold where the time between onset and end of symptoms has been so short, and I can’t recall the last time I had such mild symptoms for any illness.

My advice for people who are still fearful: Speak to any many recovered persons as you can, and hear their stories. Measure the reality of what you hear from trusted people against what the media present, and then judge which is worthy of your attention.
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March 6, 2022 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Indeed, I’ve had worse ingrown toenails.
  Why does Ardern continue vilifying a section of the country? It is NOTHING to do with health. We know that for a stone cold fact. Vaccination status has zero bearing on any aspect of covid infection yet people are still treated like subhumans.
  The only possible reason left is petty spite. Because some people dared challenge Ardern. People dared expose her arrogance and hubris. People dared taint her international reputation as “amazing”. She’s now fully exposed as the petty tyrant she is.
  Give it up Ardern. It is over.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:13am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    I take it both you and KK are vaccinated and boosted?
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Do you have difficulty reading tables?
      
      Read Row 1 of KK’s Pox table.
      
      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-h_DZLVRoO3-OPkK7rYNBDQf2SjQM-o962CbtomL5Ro/edit#gid=0
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:24am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        Oh, I try not to read KK’s stuff.
        
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        March 6, 2022 9:57am
      - Northshoredoc
        
        DNFTT
        
        [Do Not Feed The Troll – it would be helpful if you didn’t waste out time with obscure acronyms. mod.]
        
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        March 6, 2022 10:55am
      - krazykiwi
        
        That’s a shame, Mutton. I read yours. They are not particularly enlightening to be fair, but a useful datapoint or two. Perhaps one day you’ll stop twitching the curtains and start exploring some different ideas. Your brain might be the better for it.
        
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        March 6, 2022 11:11am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Obviously…….//
      lol
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:31am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      I am most definitely unvaccinated I caught it from my wife who is triple vaccinated, she was reluctant and mandated, she caught it from her staff also double vaccinated and boosted, they caught it from a fully vaccinated customer.
      
      Several points
      1. It is the pandemic of the vaccinated
      2. I suffered less and recovered faster than the younger healthy vaccinated staff.
      3. It is blatantly obvious that the vaccine dosnt work.
      4. The government is sitting on millions of doses of a vaccine that doesn’t work.
      5. They will force people to take those vaccines rather than admit they don’t work.
      6. There will be harm from the vaccine to some people from mild to deadly
      7. The long term harm won’t be known for years
      8. Natural immunity is best for the vast majority of people.
      
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      March 6, 2022 10:36am
      - alloytoo
        
        The criminal aspect of this “Pandemic” is the abject failure of the heath authorities to inform about the useful things we could do (get heathier, Vitamin C, D and Zinc supplements, ventilation etc, ) in favour of vaccinating small children and useless masks.
        
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        March 6, 2022 11:36am
      - mawm
        
        alloytoo – The criminal aspect of covid was the banning the use of Ivermectin. Everybody should listen to this doctor and research scientist attack Dr Andrew Hill who was asked by the WHO to look into the efficacy of Ivermectin. Somebody forced him to come out against it. Everywhere I look the Gates Foundation is behind the funding. Bill Gates boasted that he invested USD1 billion in the vaccine and got a 20:1 return….
        https://rumble.com/vwg569-a-letter-to-andrew-hill-dr-tess-lawrie-ivermectin-suppression-killed-millio.html
        
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        March 6, 2022 1:36pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        The worst thing about the pandemic is the level of mind control that has us believing at a societal level that it is worth not living, out of our fear we are all about to die.
        
        I weep at the way we have been separated, isolated, and divided, at people giving up on their dreams and ambitions. Businesses smashed to oblivion. Young people unable to play sports, perform their cultural activities, lose motivation to even try.
        
        There is a saying “A life lived in fear is a life not lived.” The scamdemic has created a world of people living in fear. A world of people not living. How can we regain our courage?
        
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        March 6, 2022 2:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    Villification has been a modus operandi of this regime from almost the outset , and their Media Pardy have been very happy to accomodate that tactic .
    
    Farmers
    Landlords
    Colonists
    Licensed firearms owners
    Pro lifers
    Free speech advocates
    Personal health advocates
    
    Etc
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    With Jaspinda it is spite, stubborness, failure to admit lies and mistakes, and always blaming others.
    A completely useless all-rounder
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:31am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Jacinda is happy to apologise for the failings of others if it’s in the past; but never for her failings or those of her government.
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:37pm
      - Jim
        
        Just grandstand virtue signalling. Looks good but means little.
        
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        March 6, 2022 7:32pm
  - glowworm
    
    In my cave last night, I couldn’t sleep after waking and reading this analysis…
    
    I don’t know what to make of this. It is long and I’m a slow reader. It appears to be a well written analysis for those that have the time and inclination to question things… and perhaps start waking from our caves…
    
    https://mellob33.substack.com/p/trust-and-betrayal-how-to-destroy
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:06am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t know what to make of this. It is long and I’m a slow reader.
      
      It is long…and I am a fast reader..
      
      It is very good; well written and well argued.
      I would have omitted most of the 13 or so introductory paragraphs..and got straight into the guts of the essay.
      
      What to make of it?…. Share it widely.
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:35am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Agreed. A well constructed essay. Thanks for sharing a little light, glowworm.
        
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        March 6, 2022 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some good heavy stuff in that. Also some good quotes. Read it!
      I will re read is later to absorb more.
      Thanks glowworm
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        * re read IT later. speeling ffs
        
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        March 6, 2022 9:49am
    - Fisherman
      
      Gloworm This is an excellent analysis of exactly what is happening now. Can I suggest you read it again and take your time. On the second reading you will get a better understanding. I was most encouraged when I read it as the article is absolutely correct
      
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      March 6, 2022 11:43am
  - Sacha
    
    https://brownstone.org/articles/the-moral-cruelty-of-the-pandemic-response/
    From a Christian viewpoint, a holistic overview, and worth a read.
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:19am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    So jacinda I’ve had the covid got the antibodies that are stronger and longer lasting than your vaccine.
    
    Where is my covid passport so I can get a haircut.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:25am
    - Inandout
      
      Mr B, good luck with hairdressers who I have found are ultra passport friendly. You would think after the second and third visit to the same barber of 20 yrs custom he would gather your vaccine status was within the rules; but no, he takes great pleasure in scanning with his phone. Just following the rules, you see.
      
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      March 6, 2022 10:52am
      - Diogenes
        
        For the last 45 years, since we got married, my wife has been my hairdresser. She’s self-taught, but does a great job. There was a period when, under her tuition, I also cut her hair, but then lost confidence. Mr B, if your partner is not able to do similar, there may well be others in the community willing to oblige, and the niggly hairdressers will lose a customer.
        
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        March 6, 2022 12:27pm
    - mawm
      
      There are plenty out there. It has become a black market and most likely all under the counter.
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:47pm
      - curry4me
        
        I got a haircut from a flatmate. Very competently done.
        
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        March 6, 2022 5:59pm
- Zero Kindness
  
  Very similar to my experience KK.
  Also fully recovered after a very mild illness.
  Wouldn’t it be great if we could now support our hospitality industry which is in such trouble, but I guess we will have to wait “many, many weeks before lifting any restrictions” according to the bed wetting Michael Baker.
  Time for the politicians to wake up to the destructive reality of their excessive abundance of caution and let us get on with living.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:17am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Zero Kindness. I wouldn’t mind them wheeling out Baker every time they needed to scare people with a myopic demonstrably exaggerated sound bite if only he had a greater and more reassuring presence than New Zealand’s foremost epidemiologist. Sort of like being Jamaica’s champion ice skater.
    
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    March 6, 2022 1:58pm
- Matt Long
  
  Has anyone seen even a small reference to vitamin D in the MSM at this point?
  I wonder how many people have died as a result of not knowing?
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I know, right? We have approximately 4 million people with vaxx-delivered immunity that is diminishing with every passing week.
    
    At the same time there are thousands of published studies demonstrating actionable things people can do to strengthen their immune systems. How many of these are promoted by MoH?
    
    Zero.
    
    It is medical misadventure writ large.
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:45am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Here’s a list of papers outline the benefits of VitD3 for reduction in Covid-19 risk. Hundreds of thousands of people. Studies in hundreds of countries. Uniformly positive results that promise to save lives.
      
      Despite this our MoH can’t seem to find the time or the website space to recommend VitD3.
      
      It is impossible for such overwhelming evidence to be accidentally overlooked.
      
      Which means this omission is deliberate.
      
      The question is… why?
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:40pm
      - mawm
        
        There can be only one answer – to make you get a QR code (digital ID).
        
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        March 6, 2022 1:50pm
      - Jim
        
        I’d like to see ‘the contract T&C’
        
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        March 6, 2022 7:37pm
  - Jimbob
    
    I take vitamin D every day in the form of calcitriol. Never had a problem, worst effect I have had is reaction to the bloody vaccine. I have had many over my life for all the contagious diseases. This was the worst, I will never take that crap again.
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:20am
  - mogg
    
    Peer-reviewed study of vitamin D3 in Israel; people with low levels of vitamin D3 are x 14 times more likely to develope severe Covid. Not a word about it in MSM.
    Since listening to Dr John Campbell on YouTube, I have been taking my daily tablet.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      How sad is it that during a “deadly plague” we have to get our best medical advice from the internet? That not once, has our MoH or any of the “experts” ever once told us about vitamin D, C, zinc and the other things that would go a long way to helping people recover from the bug?
      
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      March 6, 2022 11:24am
- Southern Raider
  
  Yea the MSM goes out of its way to find the daily “I almost died” stories and social media is full of attention seekers claimed “I’ve never been so I’ll and just been two weeks now”.
  
  As compared to 99.9% regardless of their vaccination status who get nothing or three days of sniffles.
  
  Reality is those who are ending up in hospital and dying would do so every winter from a bad cold or flu because they have major underlying health issues.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:31am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Yes. You’ll often explain the clear implications of the government’s own published data to people, pointing out that restrictions, mandates and other forms of state overreach are without basis, and they’ll then respond by citing some instance they heard about of someone with Covid struggling to breath, and thus everything is fully justified.
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:08pm
- Lee C
  
  Oh kk –
  
  When will yo ever learn?
  
  There you go again, inviting people to do their own research and make up their own minds about their personal autonomy.
  
  Like its some kind of ‘Right’ to do do.
  
  You should be ashamed of yourself.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:33am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Mea culpa. I’m a slow learner. What can I say?
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:33am
- Rich Prick
  
  I think the game is up. Why are we still having to “show our papers” at restaurants and bars? They seem pretty useless now.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:14am
  - pdm
    
    Went into Hastings Library Friday morning and had to show my Vax Cert to get in. Pointed out I had been in a few weeks ago so they already had it on record and could surely have linked to to my Library Card.
    
    No comprehension so did not bother to sign in as they would have two records of my attendance by the time I left:
    
    1. From the Vax Cert.
    2. When I signed the books I grabbed out.
    
    Plus I know the time I was within the Library building.
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:37am
    - Diogenes
      
      I am struggling to understand why people are still signing in when they go somewhere, when the government has a) sacked a lot of the tracing staff, and b) said they are now only interested in close (eg, family) contacts? What is the point?
      
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      March 6, 2022 12:30pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  That’s good news kk and reflects the experience of the majority of people who have caught CoVID judging from those I know and reports from HCPs up and down the country.
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:20am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Same here aside from an occasional cough, gargling salt water will sort it, fully recovered, it would not even qualify as a hangover.
  
  Very disappointed all the economic and social pain and suffering for what.
  
  The mildest dose of flu ever.
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    My GP swears by the efficacy of salt water for all manner of nasty little bacterial infections
    
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    March 6, 2022 1:42pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Does anyone know if it is compulsory to record your positive COVID result to the “my covid” portal? I will not be inclined to do it but the Tall Redhead tells me that it is compulsory. ? I would like to have as little to do with the government as possible.
  
  BTW I don’t have COVID but I do have an eye infection that is bloody painful. A reminder that it is not all about COVID. In fact I would happily trade COVID for the eye infection. ☹️
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:30am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Suspect not – otherwise this statement yesterday would have been worded a bit different ( eg.” they must report” as against “to self-report”.
    
    “The Ministry of Health would like to remind everyone to self-report both positive and negative results for RATs through My Covid Record,”
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/18833-community-cases-597-hospital-10-icu-reminder-self-report-rat-results
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Can’t imagine it being compulsory. It would be impossible to enforce?
    The less you have to do with government the better your life will be all around.
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:26am
    - mawm
      
      That’s a sentiment that has been quietly running around my brain for a while now. The problem is how to “go off the grid”. I fear our bank accounts are not going to be ours, or under our control, if what happened in Canada spreads. I even fear about loss of title for my property if Herr Schwab has his way with “you will own nothing”. By extension one can see the need to become an unknown to the government.
      
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      March 6, 2022 2:01pm
  - Northshoredoc
    
    No it is not compulsory and even if it was why on earth would you ?.
    
    If you test positive just let your GP/GPs nurse know if you’re feeling particularly unwell or worried.
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:40am
    - Nickc2
      
      So why is the MSM making such a fuss about reporting numbers of new Covid cases every day when to be honest, they don’t have a fucking clue!
      IMO, they’re maintaining the Govt’s fear tactics.
      In short, if a case isn’t reported, it’s not countable.
      
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      March 6, 2022 12:28pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        “So why is the MSM making …..?”
        Instructions vacuum from PMPR Team until briefing call on Monday. (Can’t work w/e you know {unless media PM extraction articles critical} . PSA Rule:##.###.#)
        
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        March 6, 2022 2:37pm
  - alloytoo
    
    My positive result text said someone would phone me if I didn’t.
    
    No one has phoned me, another lie?
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:40am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    BY – if it is compulsory it is therefore only compulsory for those subscribed to the My Covid portal ie the vaccinated. That would be another example of the illogical controls around the pandemic, so on track record the Red Head is probably correct.
    
    While it serves no practical purpose to record whether you have had Covid or not, it will make all the Branch Covidians feel better as they observe another ritual of their new religion.
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:09pm
TT500

Anybody who requires additional mis- information
will find it freely available at 1 pm on TV1
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March 6, 2022 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Podium of struth
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:08am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    lectern of lies.
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:50am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Main stream mendacity
      
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      March 6, 2022 8:10pm
- andydownhere
  
  And at 6pm.TV1
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:36pm
Matt Long

It is interesting looking at the division survey again on Basset Brash and Hide, it’s clear how out of touch Wellington is with the damage done to the fabric of society even prior to the the violence around parliament.
A net 77% of people in small towns believed New Zealand is more divided than a year ago, compared with a net of only 42% in Wellington. Given that Wellingtonians have largely awarded themselves a free ride through COVID I guess that doesn’t surprise, but the level of unawareness does concern me.
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March 6, 2022 8:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Wellington is an insular, selfish place generally. Particularly those who survive due to the largesse of bureaucracy. They live in a bubble and see any disturbance to their laptop latte lifestyle as a terrible annoyance.
  I had one very good friend who I repeatedly tried to engage with re their opinion on events during the protest. They refused to even engage. I know they saw the messages. But they wouldn’t even acknowledge the questions I asked.
  Another friendship consigned to the refuse heap created by Jacinda Ardern. She really has destroyed this country.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:18am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I agree. I deal with a few mid level to senior public servants. Many of them told me that the lockdowns were great. They are happy with the closed borders. It is quite surreal having meetings with them. The country has these massive problems and they are saying Maori incantations and having online morning teas.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:34am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Online morning teas? Do they have to front with their own biscuits, or are biscuits couriered to them?
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Link here:
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/are-new-zealanders-more-divided
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:18am
- Matt Long
  
  Here’s a little thought experiment based around Matthew 23:29-33. I’ve often wondered how the Soviet Socialists were able to keep their armies of spies in the GDR or undertake the successful crushing of the Hungarian Uprising; it’s now obvious a significant proportion of the population supported the Soviet’s actions.
  So let’s take the Hungary Uprising, who would have been supporters? Onlookers? The curtain twitching informers? There with cameras for later reprisals? Calling for them to go home? Calling for the army to put them down?
  Calling them Nazis and scum?
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:25am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Ultimately, tyrannies are enforced by those who are subjected to them, not by those imposing the tyranny. Any and all tyrannies collapse when popular participation is removed. That is why, although tyrannies are superficially seen as being highly collectivist societies, they are really characterised at a fundamental level by disassociation and atomisation. They are not horizontally collective, but vertically collective in the sense of atomised individuals’ common submission to the highest levels of authority.
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:16pm
- emmess
  
  To be fair to Wellington, the actual number is 57% more divided
  All they had to do was to have a look outside in the last three weeks to see.
  As for the Greens, 59% less divided???
  What are they smoking?
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Government has been directing money hand over fist to Maori groups to help with their Covid-19 response, but has failed to reach the group that has borne the brunt of infection and hospitalisations.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2203/S00032/government-must-do-more-for-pacific-people.htm
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March 6, 2022 8:14am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Maggy that’s because they’re only bronze medallist’s on the victim Olympic podium.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:31am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Will we ever see an accounting of how much was handed over during the pandemic to Maori, for what purpose; as well as what was achieved & who actually ended up with the money in their hot little hands.
  
  Rhetorical question.
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:04pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Meaningful question: How much of that money found its way into the hands of Maori gangs?
    That question will never be answered because records are not required to be kept and it could be embarrassing to the Govt.
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gisborne District Council answers a blogger’s questions… (sort of)

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/03/05/we-try-again-to-get-the-measure-of-mauri-and-how-to-determine-when-4-95-million-of-public-funding-has-restored-it/
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March 6, 2022 8:20am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  The extent to which financially compensated mauri experts can convert water into whine determines the level of mauri.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:25am
kowtow

Yesterday’s drop in reported Lab lurg cases shows why the regime wanted to control all testing.

It allowed them to more easily control the narrative . A bit like Stalin saying its not the voting that counts , but controlling the counters that detemines the result .

People are clearly voting with their feet and not self reporting they have the Lab lurg. So much for the team of five million .

I see one of the regime’s favs is saying hospitalisations and deaths is now the key . But many admissions are for observation , as the patients are old and vulnerable , so that too is meaningless as are reported deaths, as so many are “with” and not “of”.

So much misinformation and disinformation being bandied about by the govt’s mouth piece , the Media Pardy.
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March 6, 2022 8:22am
Lee C

Copied for your consideration:
This is proposed to take effect on 1st April. This is of grave concern for ALL New Zealanders.”
The COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Order 2021 passed its 2nd reading Wednesday night in NZ. (it was passed early in the morning)
ZERO rights for an unvaccinated person. Read this again!!
This legislation will allow for:
1. The lockdown of unvaccinated or insufficiently vaccinated individuals.
2. The ability to restrict travel within the country to unvaccinated or insufficiently vaccinated (e.g. a person who does not want to get a booster shot).
3. Withhold certification from those who do not get required boosters or subsequent combinations of vaccines as may be ordered at any time.
4. The ability to dictate the type and form of certification required for proof of vaccination status — digital or otherwise.
5. The ability to dictate what other information may be required for the renewal of vaccine certificates, and which information may be contained on such a certificate.
6. The period for which a vaccine certificate is valid can be changed at any time, and who it is that may be entitled or eligible to have these certificates.
7. The specification of mandates for entire job sectors.
8. The ordering of certain jobs to require regular mandatory testing and medical examination.
9. Enforcement officers to be able to demand certification, pretty much at any time.
10. The appointment of enforcement officers that can be anybody they wish to appoint, and not necessarily police.
11. Enforcement officers to inspect and take copies of certification to be verified at a later date, before immediately returning such documentation.
12. The provision of an assessment tool for employers to use to determine who should be vaccine mandated, however employers can totally disregard the assessment tool and mandate at whim.
13. Legal or other representatives of employees may be refused entry to workplaces.
14. Contact tracing information may be used against a person in order to enforce the Act.
15. Employees who have been dismissed for non-compliance of testing or vaccination, but comply at the last minute, may still be dismissed if the employer deems revoking the dismissal to be disruptive of their business
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March 6, 2022 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  Has this been covered at all in our msm ?
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think the MSM has stopped covering ( up ) parliamentary goings-on.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:07am
  - mawm
    
    Fortunately I sense that the horse has already bolted – the number of people questioning Covid, vaccines, mandates and passes is increasing rapidly. I hope I’m right.
    
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    March 6, 2022 2:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Welcome to New Zimbabwe comrade
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:35am
  - MCōs
    
    You’ve been saying that for years now.
    What are we supposed to watch out for?
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If you don’t know, you will never know MCos
      
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      March 6, 2022 6:37pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Frightening.
  
  Where are you Luxon?
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Listen to Luxon in his speech today – which has already been poo pooed already in the so called paid media.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:52am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I listened to it, and was pleasantly surprised – I am now not a doubter. However, he didn’t get into the Covid thingy, and is right behind Climate Change 2050, albeit with a different perspective – to be driven by business & private enterprise rather than government.
      I think he did a good job & will appeal to a wide variety of listeners. So bring on the election campaigns, and let’s hear the guts of the policies.
      
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      March 6, 2022 12:06pm
      - artemisia
        
        Covid, better to be looking ahead, not back. It has been Labour’s job to deal with so far, and (at least) to the next election. Although a lot of folk say Opposition parties should be holding the government to account there is more than one way to achieve that. Being negative nellie probably not top of the list.
        
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        March 6, 2022 1:02pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Voting enthusiastically for it.
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:08am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Unfair! He’ll be huffing and puffing a bit about it, suggesting some paragraph re-ordering and better punctuation. Then he will be congratulating the government for their efforts to-date. And then lunch.
      
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      March 6, 2022 11:51am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Didn’t happen -( I very rarely disagree with you, but I do this time ) 🙂
        
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        March 6, 2022 12:08pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        You mean he missed lunch? I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you! 😉
        
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        March 6, 2022 1:42pm
  - curry4me
    
    Firmly with Team Cindy.
    
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    March 6, 2022 6:12pm
- Nickc2
  
  I wonder if Effective Date (1 April) is significant?
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not fools, the socialist Govt is serious about control of the peasants
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:13am
- kevn
  
  @Lee C… A Pfizer wet dream plan.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  Utterly abhorrent.
  
  And National continue to be enablers of this tyranny.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour Lite
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  Where is Crown Law’s assessment of the compliance of this legislation with the BORA? Given Justice Cook’s serve to Police and Defence over their illegal mandates it is hard to see this legislative abomination being kosher.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:10am
  - peterwn
    
    It is not Crown Law’s job to issue an assessment to the public. Crown Law works for the Executive Government (and if need be former Ministers or public servants or the Governor General in the event of a MMP hiatus). Any assessments would be privileged legal advice to the client ie the Government.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:22am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thanks for the clarification. I would have though the public had a right to know if proposed legislation would contravene the BORA. Perhaps such a provision might be the most valuable next amendment to the Act.
      
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      March 6, 2022 11:16am
      - peterwn
        
        There supposedly is, see S7 of Bill of Rights Act:
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0109/latest/whole.html#DLM225503
        The Solicitor General would give an opinion to the Attorney General who would report to Parliament. When Margaret Wilson was AG in the Clark Government she did not accept the SG opinion in one instance and drafted her own statement to meet S7 requirement. As far as I know the SG’s opinion on this has never been made public and is not required to be disclosed under OIA.
        
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        March 6, 2022 12:27pm
- Morry45
  
  Hi Lee, do you have a link for that info?
  Or is the date it’s due to take effect relevant?
  Thanks
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I can’t find the Bill (refer https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-proposed-laws). Further ‘The COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Order 2021’ was passed last year and is the source of the hitherto unseen societal division that Ardern has curated.
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It was motion discussed on Tuesday night in Parliament.
    
    Here’s the 1st speaker Chris Hipkins explaining the
    additions to the Bill..(video clip 1)
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20220301_20220301/tab/video?page=5&mode=form
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:46am
    - Lee C
      
      Thank you Maggy.
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:55am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Maggy’s link does not let you off the hook. Those videos refer to the confirmation of Orders made between December and February.
        
        Therefore, you still need to explain what you were on about in your 8:28AM comment. That means kindly responding to Morry45’s request for a link to the Order which sets out the horrors you mention. (Like kk, I, too, cannot find it.)
        
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        March 6, 2022 10:50am
      - krazykiwi
        
        There appear to be 12 Public Health Orders passed on 1st March.
        
        “COVID-19 Orders—Approval
        Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister for COVID-19 Response): In accordance with the determination of the Business Committee, I move, That this House approve the following orders made under the COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020: COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protection Framework) Amendment Order (No 2) 2021, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Required Testing and Vaccinations) Amendment Order (No 2) 2021, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protection Framework) Amendment Order (No 3) 2021, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Air Border) Order 2021, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Isolation and Quarantine and Other Matters) Amendment Order 2021, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Air Border and Isolation and Quarantine) Amendment Order (No 2) 2021, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Air Border and Isolation and Quarantine) Amendment Order (No 2) Amendment Order 2021, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Air Border and Isolation and Quarantine) Amendment Order 2022, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protection Framework) Amendment Order 2022, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protection Framework) Amendment Order (No 2) 2022, COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Amendment Order 2022, and COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protection Framework) Amendment Order (No 3) 2022.
        
        The suggested implementation of still further tyranny will be in one of these. These Orders appear to not be listed alongside Bills
        
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        March 6, 2022 11:27am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thanks, krazykiwi.
        
        I saw those Orders (on the Final Order Paper for Tuesday, 1 March), which were confirmed, not passed, during the more than an hour I spent trying to track down what Lee is on about.
        
        He is talking about a (Vaccination) Order. I brought up several of the orders on that Order Paper, including the (Required Testing and Vaccinations) Order, which are all currently in force (see Hollyfield’s comment, below), and could see nothing that is close to the ‘horrors’ Lee mentions.
        
        It was quite remiss of Lee to put up a post like that without giving links to sources. Until he does that, I have to assume he was engaging in scaremongering (which he knew would elicit the desired responses he indeed received) for his own amusement.
        
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        March 6, 2022 11:56am
      - Steve Todd
        
        krazykiwi: Also, they are all (Amendment) Orders made under the principal Act, the COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020, which has been in force since 13 May 2020 (see section 8, onwards, here: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2020/0012/latest/LMS344134.html). Some useful Fact Sheets can be found here: https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-response-planning/covid-19-public-health-response-amendment-act-no-2-2021.
        
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        March 6, 2022 12:21pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Removing a mandate at the ‘appropriate time’ means probably never. This person has told lies before
      
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      March 6, 2022 10:20am
  - Lee C
    
    Sorry Morry I’ve been away form my desk – In short – no, this was put up on fb and that s’ why I put ‘copied for your consideration’ at the top.
    
    However, it is not the first time I have seen this list of policies outlined.
    
    I will see what I can find out.
    
    As for ‘scaremongering’ – Steve, I think it is a bit rich in the current environment to be accused of that – given some of the recent events we’ve witnessed.
    
    By this I mean it is not as if we haven’t already seen gross abuse of power from this administration, whihc included and illegal lockdown, overiding the BORA, and more recently (I would argue) a coordinated violent suppresseion of dissent in Wellington.
    
    A further qualification here, I would add is that practically every time someone has tried to alert others of some nasty abuse by our Government, they have been accused of ‘scaremongering’ or ‘conspiracy’ or ‘Tinfoil hats’.
    
    The difference between such ‘scaremongering’ and the reality that followed has often been about one month…
    
    Yip, yip…
    
    Therefore apologies if you have been frightened.
    
    Perhaps if people had been a bit more on the ball for the past two years, we might not be in this predicament.
    
    To conclude, perhaps this has been launched michievioulsy – but perhaps it might be considered equally as a ‘heads-up’.
    
    Bottom line – Do you trust the Government?
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:40pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Therefore apologies if you have been frightened.
      
      Thanks for responding, Lee.
      
      Heh, heh. No, I’m not frightened. I have nothing to be frightened about.
      
      It was clear (at least to me) that you sought to elicit, and succeeded in obtaining, outraged responses from Kiwibloggers, based on what you now tell us was an unsourced FB comment — really? Facebook? — pertaining to Orders that were already in effect.
      
      In other words, you were attempting to scare anti-COVID-response Kiwibloggers into thinking that ‘freedom and democracy’ would essentially end on 1 April, and you did it without checking your facts first, forcing others to do that for you. Had you done so, you would have realised that, on 1 March, parliament was confirming orders already in place, not passing ‘draconian’ new laws.
      
      I acknowledge your belated admission (now that you’ve been called out on it) that your comment was perhaps mischievous. Nevertheless, all in all, a pretty poor show, Lee.
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:27pm
  - Lee C
    
    Morry – and everyone else involved.
    
    No I cannot find a link for my copied post at 8.26.
    
    I apologise and wiithdraw it with my added regrets if it lead anyone to form incorrect conclusions..
    
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    March 6, 2022 1:16pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Just seen this now, Lee.
      
      Happy to accept your apology. Life goes on.
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:33pm
    - glowworm
      
      Phew!!
      
      Big thanks to you Steve, you should have more upticks for your insistence on proof of this, and thanks Lee C for the apology.
      
      You people are awesome, so much better than the drongos in parliament!
      
      This is a lesson for me. Although generally a disagreeable type, I can still be a sucker for false information…
      
      I just had an argument with some close family members about this and I’m now going to have to apologize… it ended very poorly…
      
      I think in this day and age we must question everything…
      
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      March 6, 2022 4:28pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Lee, this was posted on KB previously too. Someone’s idea of an April fools joke maybe?
      It certainly got me going the first time I read it. But after trying and failing to find the source document I thought it must either be my inability to read proposed legislative changes or a hoax. Nice to know it is the later!
      
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      March 6, 2022 9:02pm
- Pavel
  
  This legislation will never be enforced, it will be the death of labor and brand jacinda internationally. If she thinks the anti mandate protests were bad they will be nothing compared to the protests that will follow should this ever be enforced. Maybe the opposition doing nothing is a good thing. As Napoleon once said “when your enemy is making a mistake, never disturb them”.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:13am
  - artemisia
    
    National’s manifesto for 2023 will be published next year. I expect it to set out what will be repealed if they lead the next government. Could be a long list and an excellent chance there will have been discussions aka horse trading with ACT.
    
    Some announcements have already been made.
    
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    March 6, 2022 1:08pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Jesus, these freaks are out of control.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:28am
- Stellaboxer
  
  The fact that this government dreamed this up should tell anyone all they need to know about the minds that are running this country now. For future election campaigns just whip this out in your Tele debate and Labour lose the election. It’s priceless.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:38am
- Opie
  
  Lee – is this going through right now? Any source?
  
  So instead of removing mandates she is going to mandate boosters.
  
  How is that justified?
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:52am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Boosters are already mandated for a number of industries, but interestingly not for hospitality workers. This came into effect on 23 January 2022.
    
    https://covid19.govt.nz/covid-19-vaccines/vaccinations-and-work/
    
    Vaccine booster doses
    COVID-19 booster vaccinations are now mandated for workforces covered by the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Order 2021 (Vaccinations Order). This came into effect on 23 January 2022. A change to the Vaccinations Order came into force on 14 February 2022. The amendment to the Order for health and disability workers to be boosted now sets the new deadline date to 25 February 2022.
    
    Border and MIQ workforces, if eligible for a booster, are required to have this by 15 February 2022. This includes workers in Defence and Police who work in these settings.
    Health and Disability workforces, if eligible for a booster, are required to have this by 25 February 2022. This includes workers in Corrections, Fire and Emergency, Defence, Education and Police who work in these settings.
    Affected educational services, Corrections (custodial staff), Police (non-sworn employees who work in educational settings), if eligible for a booster, are required to have this by 1 March 2022.
    This currently does not include workers covered by the My Vaccine Pass mandate.
    A booster dose is mandated 6 months (183 days) from the end of your primary vaccination course. However, you are eligible for a vaccine booster 3 months after the completion of your primary vaccine course. It is recommended you take the opportunity for an earlier dose, rather than wait the full 6 months.
    
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    March 6, 2022 10:30am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Yes, these Orders have already come into effect.
      
      I want Lee C to point us to the Amendment Order that he says will come into effect on 1 April.
      
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      March 6, 2022 11:00am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, the 1 April 2022 date is a bit odd… especially as the Covid-19 Public Health Response Act 2020 MUST expire on the 13 May 2022.
        
        https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/in-may-2022-the-covid-19-public-health-response-act-2020-expires-what-then/
        
        What will our Government have in store for us then?
        
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        March 6, 2022 12:53pm
      - Hollyfield
        
        The original legislation came into effect on 30 April 2021. I think the information in Lee C’s post is copied from something from last year and the date changed to this year (not accusing Lee personally of making the change)
        These changes were talked about at the time, but considering they haven’t been fully implemented, they now won’t be. The government is losing ground and quietly reversing things all the time. eg MIQ, kids sport, iwi road blocks. They know they don’t have the public support to introduce anything strict now, especially as the rest of the world is starting to open up.
        
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        March 6, 2022 3:44pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Just quietly, I suspect Lee meant March when he wrote April. No matter.
        
        Thank you for the link, Maggy; I knew the Act expired on 13 May, but had completely forgotten about that.
        
        What now worries me, is that here we are, less than 10 weeks away from 13 May, and there is no evidence that I’m aware of that the government is preparing a replacement Act that will be “fit for purpose”, and in place in time. Invoking urgency again would simply not be acceptable, surely.
        
        Hopefully, officials in the MoH and PC are working assiduously on the new bill now. As for what it will contain, we wait with bated breath.
        
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        March 6, 2022 3:50pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If real I think I speak for most level headed NZers when I say fuck this shit, this government needs to go.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:53am
- bjools
  
  “13. Legal or other representatives of employees may be refused entry to workplaces”
  Wonder what the unions have to say?
  Doesn’t this contradict employment law?
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:22am
  - curry4me
    
    Unions exist to finance labour, provide a training ground for wannabe MPs, and….. oh yes help workers.
    
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    March 6, 2022 6:27pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  This is why Jacinda Ardern will not lift the mandates or remove the vax passes. She has a plan that she doesn’t want to share with the country. Would prefer everyone to keep dreaming that the restrictions are temporary.
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I agree. With the other Davos children failing in their placements, Ardern is determined to get a WEF podium finish. The damage to New Zealand is acceptable collateral damage to her.
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:03am
Paulus

Well done Corey Peters – another Gold in the Winter Olympics.
Pity the media do not ppear to have recognised this great achievement.
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March 6, 2022 8:40am
- Gravelroad
  
  He was on Tv sports news last night have won gold in downhill ski race. He seemed very surprised (about both).
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:28am
  - pdm
    
    Old, my guess 40sh, for adownhill racer of any type I thought.
    
    Very welldone though!!!!
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:41am
    - Paulus
      
      And in todays country he remains male, so to be left alone.
      
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      March 6, 2022 10:54am
    - MCōs
      
      He’s 38
      
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      March 6, 2022 12:50pm
  - Lee C
    
    One might argue that Ardern has been sending the nation downhill since the day she was annointed by Peters.
    
    So the media don’t see it as news anymore, if indeed they ever did.
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:57am
cmm

Breakfast: The Killer Meal!

For many years, we at the Breakfast Research Institute believed that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. But no more!

For decades we have been tracking breakfast related deaths: finding that every year about 20 people die in NZ from breakfast related deaths – mostly choking or food poisoning.

After consultation with the MoH and other colleagues in academia, we found huge flaws in our methodologies were causing massive undercounting. After correcting those we find that breakfast is a killer meal.

Breakfast causes well over 30,000 deaths in NZ every year! It is the biggest single cause of death in NZ.

The breakthrough was speaking to pandemic researchers on how to count deaths. No longer do we count people who directly died from breakfast, but rather count those that died within 28 days of eating breakfast, whatever the actual cause of death. This gives a far more accurate picture.

There are unfortunately a large group of people who are resisting the science and push disinformation about so-called advantages to breakfast. We are working with social media organisations to suppress discussions about breakfast and some popular cookery channels on YouTube have already been demonitised. Those who continue to present breakfast-related content will be banned.

Please everyone, stop listening to your granny, stop listening to untrained people on Facebook. We are the experts!
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March 6, 2022 8:41am
- H. Upmann
  
  Cereal Killer.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:43am
- Nickc2
  
  Build your own Podium and hire a bespectaled side kick cmm and you could be onto a winner.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Hah!
  The Breakfast Research Institute members are like Granola: all fruits, nuts and flakes!
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:54am
- CAKE FACE1
  
  I laughed when I read this.
  
  The problem is, it isn’t funny in a way – because this really is what has actually happened.
  
  The classification of Covid deaths as being anyone who was infected with Covid then dying of anything within the next 28 days, means that the figures do not show anything about how many people died from Covid.
  
  This doesn’t make a small difference to the figures.
  
  Studies of excess deaths have indicated that the official Covid deaths are overstated by a multiple of over ten times. The correct figure should be 1 / 10th of the actual numbers reported.
  
  The deaths from Covid alone (with no co-morbidities) are approximately 5% of the total official Covid deaths.
  
  The Covid fear mongering has been appalling.
  
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  March 6, 2022 12:27pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see that Molesworth St is not yet open. It’s all very well to gather evidence, although I would have thought that video would have sufficed. Molesworth St is, supposedly, a vital roading corridor. You’d think that they’d pull their finger out.
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March 6, 2022 8:44am
- peterwn
  
  I am wondering if lower Molesworth Street will ever be re-opened. If I was the powers-that-be I would seriously consider making Murphy/ Mulgrave Streets two way and run the no 14 and miscellaneous buses along it.
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:26am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Just no Peterwn. Not necessary and not warranted.
    
    Back to normal is what is required.
    
    Parliament is the peoples place and restricting access further by closing off streets is not needed – and signals that the powerful have things to hide and are afraid…. NZ is not some South or Central American banana republic (not yet at least though Ms Ardern is trying to take us there)
    
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    March 6, 2022 12:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Unlikely. The mechanics of making Mulgrave St two way when there’s a motorway off-ramp plus traffic from Wadestown/ Ngaio already heading towards town would be nigh impossible (widening that part of Mulgrave St would be difficult with Police National HQ on one side & the US Embassy on the other); & Aitkin & Pipitea Sts crossing between Mulgrave & Molesworth would have to become main thoroughfares. Even WCC & Trevor can’t be that stupid.
    
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    March 6, 2022 1:21pm
Souvlaki

More mindless Putin-esque bloody control from Labour under Ardern!
When are Jessica Mutch -McKay et al going to ask Ardern up front WHY is she being so controlling for no sound reason ?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-30000-rapid-antigen-tests-seized-at-borders-high-school-says-situation-nonsensical/CMAIV2FSHCVEIL44MWU3UENMG4/#
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March 6, 2022 8:55am
- Nickc2
  
  They’re not permitted to ask questions of the PM that aren’t forewarned. It’s all scripted for local consumption and maximum effect.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  Mutch Mc , will simply sing off the same song sheet , as she did on the night of the Village Raid .
  
  The protest looked “foreign” to her . Funny that , who else spouted that bollocks.
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:36am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Foreign? You mean like Ricardo the Mexican? Like Golly G? Like Genter the single-issue lunatic? Like a number of other immigrant community representatives picked for their diversity rather than for the quality of what they can contribute? That kind of foreign?
    
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    March 6, 2022 1:55pm
- Paulus
  
  Presumably Jessica is getting her wardrobe ready to go with our Cindy on her first world trip shortly.
  Is Tova still on board with the Parliamentary Press Gallery too.
  
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  March 6, 2022 10:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Didn’t she flick that Parliamentary job in search of a Radio Talking Head job that was supposed to challenge Mike Hosking?
    I know she had a winge about a clause written into her termination from the Parliamentary job and was going to court about it but haven’t heard anything more. Mind you, I don’t listen to the Radio Station that was supposed to employ her. I won’t mention the Radio Station’s name because I don’t want to give them oxygen. Anyone who wants to employ Tova O’Brien, has to be (insert own conclusion).
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:20am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Anyone who wants to employ Tova O’Brien, has to be … wanting to suck up to the First Former Flatmate?
      
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      March 6, 2022 1:56pm
Sean OConnor

I see the Nobel Peace Prize winning leader of Ethiopia’s war on Tigray looks set to kill a million people or so, due to starvation.
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March 6, 2022 9:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Vlad now knows where the bar is set
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:06pm
Clyde

I note that the Pressreader site has been hit by a cyber attack a couple of days after removing Russian papers from their site. Currently the site is back up but with no new editions uploaded (since Friday morning NZ time). The net effect of this is to make me even more pissed off with the fwit Putin. But still NZ’s only response to this criminal invasion of a sovereign nation is to send a picture of Mahuta to Putin.
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March 6, 2022 9:20am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Is that not scary enough, how about a video clip of her talking.
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:17am
Prince

Interesting discussion this morning on RNZ with Helen Clark re Russia.
Although detailing the various failings of Putin, she believes sanctions alone will not work. Eventually you have to engage with Putin to resolve this.
I couldn’t help drawing some comparisons with the ‘I will not recognise you, or even hear you or speak to you (other than ‘get off my lawn’) approach of our Govt to the recent protest.
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March 6, 2022 9:44am
- My
  
  Ahhh Helen, what happened to your benign strategic envirinment?
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:38am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The price of freedom is ETERNAL vigilance. A lesson that will be learned a many times and forgotten many times over human history.
    
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    March 6, 2022 1:43pm
- MCōs
  
  I wouldn’t have thought the protesters’ leaders, whoever they were, would take to kindly to being compared to Putin.
  
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  March 6, 2022 12:58pm
Yvette

A factor in us all being vaccinated (those who are) against delta covid, when we now face the omicron variant, may be –

The original antigenic sin: When the body first encounters an infection it produces effective antibodies against its dominant antigens and thus eliminates the infection. But when it encounters the same infection, at a later evolved stage, with a new dominant antigen, with the original antigen now being recessive, the immune system will still produce the former antibodies against this old “now recessive antigen” and not develop new antibodies against the new dominant one, this results in the production of ineffective antibodies and thus a weak immunity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin

This is taken to mean that a vaccination can assign the immune system to a narrow response, which may not accommodate a variant disease.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has warned the “world isn’t using its best medicines wisely” amid fears of antibiotic overuse creating the prime environment for superbugs.
Her comments came after Dame Juliet Gerrard, the Prime Minister’s Chief Science Advisor, released her major report for 2021, which calls for action to combat infectious disease and antimicrobial resistance.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-warns-world-isn-t-using-best-medicines-wisely-amid-superbug-fears-due-to-antibiotic-overuse.html

Has the Ardern Government the right to mandate or even recommend administering doses of medication at the same time as “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has warned the ‘world isn’t using its best medicines wisely’ “?

As this connection may all be fucking rubbish, you need to do your own research or demand the Government employed experts give a full explanation.
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March 6, 2022 9:53am
- Master Mariner
  
  Exactly my thinking too Yvette,
  
  PM talking in Riddles again but could not help thinking she was discussing the vaccines instead of anti biotics.
  
  What she meant to say was “narrow spectrum anti biotics” Read as the first Vaccine for Covid 19 is not the same as targeting for Omicron.
  
  ie The Vaccine is useless for Omicron.
  
  Very strange announcement indeed ?
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:10am
- glowworm
  
  maybe the government employed experts can argue with this guy?
  
  https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/omicron-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing
  
  He is difficult for me to understand, my basic cell biology, let alone immunology is not really up to scratch I’m afraid. Janeway’s anyone?
  
  But he sounds like he knows what he’s talking about?…
  
  Wish I knew of him earlier… he reminds me of one of my professors at university many years ago.
  
  Anyway, our government expert’s should have no trouble debating this guy on why he is wrong. He ends stating that he hopes he is wrong, but he doubts it…
  
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  March 6, 2022 5:31pm
Lee C

https://www.facebook.com/100054764285485/videos/219201097036401

There’s more.
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March 6, 2022 10:00am
- geoff3012
  
  Won’t load…
  
  [Click on “See Video”. mod.]
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:37am
- bjools
  
  The most disturbing the grey haired old man, KING HIT for helping up a young person in the gutter.
  Isn’t that illegal now?
  
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  March 6, 2022 1:10pm
  - Max Howler
    
    right up there with the eye gouger – I’m waiting for these to be addressed by the IPCA (but I’m not holding my breath about it)
    
    https://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/Outcomes/Summaries-of-Police-investigations-overseen-by-the-IPCA.aspx
    
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    March 6, 2022 4:25pm
Littletramp

This discussion is a must watch. Glenn Beck talks to father of podcast and tech whiz Adam Curry about the world today. Relevant to all of us, and provides clarity to what many of us seeing unfolding around us. These guys are not cranks, they have been in the thick of society for decades. Warning – identifies the threat but no solutions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRuin1swBLU
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March 6, 2022 10:26am
blue collar

That weird feeling
Mood in Taranaki is hard to define …. the best I could say is drifting with hope
The guys at work don’t want to test , they want to work . the only time they will is if noticeably symptomatic when they are too snotty n crook to come in .
We now see it as mild as we were told .
We now see people and govt still saying it’s dangerous .
So you know you are in a society with scared freaking people and a govt everyone has given up on as too complicated and too contradictory to hv any faith in .
So we are drifting .
Our group unafraid and over it
Waiting for a month or 2 n then what ?
We are hoping the govt ditches all mandates and reinstates bill of rights .

It’s hope but not optimistic hope .
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March 6, 2022 10:36am
- Master Mariner
  
  Simple mate, Stay on the right side of History and hang in there.
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:16am
- kowtow
  
  Hardly a bill of rights if it’s at the whim of a govt.
  
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  March 6, 2022 4:17pm
blue collar

I guess the govt has to realise it has lost the fight to prolong covid and it’s emergency powers they are addicted to
Will they realise this or try even harder to scare and prolong ?
My point is . In the real world , I’m seeing many many people choose to carry on and build a house , do office work , build infrastructure…. despite a few sniffles or tickly throat .
The govt has lost .
We aren’t folllowing rules
They aren’t in charge
There is no plan
There is no emergency.
We know this
They know they can’t go full draconian and make booster compulsory for a vax cert , no grounds , we got the big o just in the knick of time before June 1
The protest is their canary , things will explode if they push any harder , they know it , I expect gradual unwinding timed for the election , here’s your freedom , we saved you version 2
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March 6, 2022 11:02am
bjools

Just watched Luxon’s speech.
It was never going to have deep content, as that would only give MSM time to attack it.
But indexing tax brackets to inflation, describing how it also helps the retired as their income is linked to after tax levels of income.
IMO any fool who is retired and on fixed income and votes labour, is just that….a fool.
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March 6, 2022 11:05am
- kowtow
  
  The Nats , one would think ,have fertile ground there with the retired .
  
  They’ve got sfa out of this kind govt , while the bennies have benefitted from lying on a couch had all sorts of income lifted , not been coaxed into work despite the need for workers etc
  
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  March 6, 2022 4:20pm
oldfella

A weekly roundup of the best of US political humour. Enjoy!
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/the-week-in-pictures-missing-persons-edition.php
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March 6, 2022 11:06am
Maggie Pie

Only just back home from Mass.

Txt from our cleaning lady……. “Putin has instructed his government to prepare a list of countries that have imposed sanctions on Russia or any Russian nationals”.

Have we done anything yet I wonder?
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March 6, 2022 11:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes we said we would not respond to their emails. ?
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:22am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Jacinda will increase the level of Prayers by the Public Service before meetings
    That’ll do it
    
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    March 6, 2022 11:34am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Jacinda has banned him from visiting Ayo-tear-a-rower
      
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      March 6, 2022 12:18pm
- Nickc2
  
  Cindy’s on her way to deliver them a lecture on fish-n-chip wrapping, face-pulling, head-bobbling and hand-wringing. That’ll teach them not to attack people they don’t like.
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:28am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Just like you have here with this post.
    
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    March 6, 2022 4:09pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Really, have you anything meaningful to offer, or you just another Labour troll?
      
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      March 6, 2022 8:38pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        A troll eh.
        
        I am more than happy to be labeled a troll if it shows you up as a useless Hypocrite.
        
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        March 7, 2022 9:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe goes toe to toe with Putin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K444v3V8lTw
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March 6, 2022 11:34am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

“Hate to say it, but we need to increase oil & gas production immediately.
Extraordinary times demand extraordinary measures”.

– ELON MUSK
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March 6, 2022 11:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He would make such a great president (though constitutionally can’t as not born in USA)
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:57am
  - Surely Knott
    
    He could be an mp or prime minister in NZ though. Easy as.
    
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    March 6, 2022 4:44pm
- kowtow
  
  hardly extraordinary , just common bloody sense.
  
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  March 6, 2022 4:21pm
I remember when

Do our politicians need to learn from Shane Warne.
You can still be liked and popular even after a few mistakes.
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March 6, 2022 11:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Head Honcho already thinks this
  
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  March 6, 2022 12:23pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, this government’s spin puts it in the same class as the late Shane
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:12pm
nathie

With the state of world affairs, and closer to home with the CCP trying to establish footholds in the Pacific, do you think this would be a good time for Labour to be selling-off NZ Defence Force equipment?

Well they are.

Despite them criticising National (in 2016) for floating the idea of selling off two naval patrol boats, Labour are actually going through with this and will sell the two Patrol boats to the Irish Navy!

Here’s recent info on the sale to the Irish:
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/ireland-patrol-vessels-new-zealand/
Note the spin:

The two vessels were decommissioned by New Zealand as they didn’t meet the country’s long-range patrolling requirements.

Here is Labour in 2016 criticising National thinking of doing so:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/301515/government-challenged-on-sale-of-inshore-patrol-boats
Note the “pre-spin” (i.e. in essence the “truth”):

Labour questioned why the government would use “inshore” patrol vessels in the waters known as the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), when there was still a need for patrolling around the coast.

For crying out loud Labour (in 2022), world events are getting worse and you guys want to downgrade our Defence Forces (like they did under the Helen Clark govt by killing off the RNZAF strike wing and let the option to purchase a third ANZAC Frigate lapse, ironically to re-use the funding saved … to also buy these same naval patrol boats …. that they are now selling)!

But wait there is more … expect an announcement soon (no doubt in overseas media – not via Govt press release), that Labour are selling up to one-third of the Army’s Light Armoured Vehicles!

Yes the same vehicles that protected the NZDF and SAS when they deployed to Afghanistan!

So what does the Minister of Defence say about all this? Who knows because he seems to have gone into Witless Protection (when it comes to commentating on more pressing, actual defence and security issues):
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/03/03/henare-seems-fixed-on-fighting-covid-we-had-to-wait-for-twyford-for-words-of-concern-about-putins-nuclear-threat/
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March 6, 2022 11:48am
- nathie
  
  Edit to add: Is Grant Robertson that desperate to fill the coffers of the govt with the proceeds of these sales?
  
  They would only rake in a few-to-low-tens of millions of dollars (as the govt won’t be getting back the original cost of the investments of $36m each for each patrol boat).
  
  But perhaps Robertson wants the cash to pay the likes of the next Mongrel Mob installment?
  
  Or perhaps for consultants fees so they can start assessment work on the $15b light-rail to the airport project? Or the $1b cycleway over the bridge?
  
  Or James Shaw’s new $6b climate change fund?
  
  (For crying out loud, James Shaw supported by Jacinda Ardern were to give nearly $30m to a Green School in Taranaki – that is much more funding than what the patrol boat sale will realise)!
  
  Clearly finance and economics and cost opportunities is not something that Labour is good at!
  
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  March 6, 2022 12:05pm
I remember when

Cyclists allowed to use stretch of Transmission Gully despite ‘no cycling’ signs.
Since last September, some cyclists thought a key stretch of road was banned from their use.
Road signs said ‘No Cycling.’
Waka Kotahi says they aren’t barred and can still use 3 km stretch beween Paekakariki and MacKays Crossing.
Contractor will be asked to cover up signs.

Now we only have to open up the rest of it.
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March 6, 2022 11:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You have to wait until Jaspinda and the cameras are ready.
  It will happen just as she is sweeping more bullshit under the carpet – a diversion
  
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  March 6, 2022 12:21pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To be fair, that’s just the bit that is contiguous with & coned off from SH59 (formerly SH1). It’s not TG as you would understand it.
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Still waiting for my stickers from Taxpayer’s Union.
Jacinda saying ‘I did that’
https://rumble.com/vwgusf-gas-station-manager-reveals-how-many-biden-stickers-he-removes-per-day.html?
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March 6, 2022 11:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/ConservativeKiwi/comments/t4luhc/get_your_sticker_now_taxpayers_union/
  
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  March 6, 2022 11:54am
CAKE FACE1

In ten years’ time, I predict that no-one will admit to ever having been a Zero Covid nutjob.

Everyone will claim that they were always against border closures. Everyone will claim that they were always against school closures. Everyone will claim that they were always against lockdowns.

The truth is, over 90% of people did support these measures.

Some of these people now realise that they were wrong. Where are the mea culpa’s? Where are the apologies?

I don’t expect that the people who supported the Bill of Rights throughout will ever get an apology from the Zero Covid nutjobs who supported authoritarianism.

Did you support our Covid response? If so, do you still believe that it was correct?

I would be interested in some honesty. I doubt that we will ever get it.
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March 6, 2022 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Where are the apologies?’
  
  Lefties do not appologise
  
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  March 6, 2022 12:19pm
  - Inandout
    
    well one did actually by saying ‘I am sorry for being a man’. It was in 2014 when Cunliffe made that remark. In 2022 he would be considered to be gender fluid.
    
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    March 6, 2022 3:58pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’ll take the challenge. I was in favour of the initial lockdown & border closure. What was coming from overseas reports looked horrendous & there was plenty that we did not know. I still think it was the right decision, albeit should have been taken sooner. If covid had turned out to be another Spanish Flu then it would have been a great decision.
  
  But, having created space to look, think & learn, the wrong conclusions were drawn & the wrong actions taken. It has been apparent for quite some time that our approach has been wrong based on Jacinda’s inability to lead, to listen to multiple voices including those from outside her political tent & to take evidence-based decisions.
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:25pm
  - tf78
    
    She got exactly the result she wanted – she ruined the country’s finances and broke the people, all now ripe for more indoctrination.
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:05pm
TT500

Given New Zealand Universities proclivity to cancel, de- platform and point blank refuse entry to any speakers as the see fit.
With regard to The Univesity of Otago will they now denounce and return permanently the funding they have received from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation due to Gate’s relationship with the currently dead convicted paedophile and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein?
Perhaps their regular spokesman Michael Baker might care to comment
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March 6, 2022 12:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Government interference fucking things up again. Go hard, go early.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-30000-rapid-antigen-tests-seized-at-borders-high-school-says-situation-nonsensical/CMAIV2FSHCVEIL44MWU3UENMG4/?
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March 6, 2022 12:15pm
Yvette

Christopher Luxon’s State of the Nation speech, and covid

National is launching a major offensive against the government, promising to reverse every tax increase imposed by this Labour government.
Chris Luxon gave a State of the Nation speech in Auckland this morning.

In a speech that apparently seems to take about 22 minutes, two sentences are devoted to covid –
In closing, let me say the last two years have been unprecedented, with the shadow of COVID hanging over everything we do. But we need to be careful that we don’t focus so much on COVID that we neglect the society we are trying to build, together[1]
– interesting enough, this brief mention of covid is to suggest “that we don’t focus so much on COVID that we neglect the society we are trying to build”

Imagine if Jacinda Ardern gave a similar “State of the Nation speech” …

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/christopher-luxon-s-full-state-of-the-nation-speech-as-he-vows-to-repeal-labour-s-tax-grab.html
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March 6, 2022 12:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Once upon a time getting stuck into the tax and waste proclivities of the left was the cornerstone of National’s attack strategy. But those days have long since passed.
  
  That Luxon still thinks this topic ‘State of the Nation’ material shows how out of touch he is with mainstream New Zealanders, people who have seen their agency withdrawn and their civil liberties abused by those sworn in to do just the opposite.
  
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  March 6, 2022 1:10pm
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    I was raised by Parents that had been bought up in the hard way and their favorite saying was you give respect to earn respect but it seems no mater how hard Chris Luxon tries there are many on here that made up there minds before he even became a MP they didn’t want a bar of it.
    You can go on all you like about him not respecting the protesters but it wasn’t his job , it was our Prime Minister’s job she created it so it was her job to fix it and it would only have taken her to answer the Questions and the riot that followed was caused percentage that always had it in their heads that violence was the only way to win so hence those that wanted it peaceful were always going to lose.
    This is not Chris Luxon doings but many on here like to blame someone so they have used their personal dislike for the man to continually smear him for problems he hasn’t created.
    
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    March 6, 2022 2:35pm
    - cmm
      
      “This is not Chris Luxon doings”
      You are correct. There are many things that are not his doings – for instance the chaotic mess that booth National and government are in.
      
      But if he wants to be the leader of National (and the leader of government), then he has to put his hand up and take on the responsibility to fix the problems of both.
      
      Excuses of “it wasn’t my fault” don’t cut it for a real leader.
      
      Leadership means taking responsibility, and finding a proper solution, no matter who caused the problem.
      
      The fact that he is not the PM doesn’t mean he can’t act the part so that people can start to see how he will act in that role.
      
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      March 6, 2022 6:30pm
      - Warren
        
        cmm: post the site he has used that excuse on
        ” it wasn’t my fault” leadership doesn’t mean you are there to fix your opponents mistakes. You obviously forget when John Key offered Jacinda Ardern his help but chose not to accept.
        
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        March 6, 2022 7:06pm
      - tf78
        
        I listened to his speech and it covered a multitude of topics, especially tax and productivity. Reading it doesn’t give the same impression of watching and listening to it being delivered. I was impressed. National do have a plan to get NZ back on track and have a quality team to do it. (IMHO)
        
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        March 6, 2022 8:00pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I have met the guy, and he is perfectly likable.
      
      But that’s not this issue. For me the issue is him continuing the now time-honoured (and utterly perilous) strategy of appearing ever-so-slightly to the right of wherever Labour is.
      
      Buckle in for a tough reality, Warren: Ardern is being visited upon us because previous National governments have enabled her.
      
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      March 6, 2022 7:19pm
  - Philview
    
    I don’t agree on this one. Jacinda Ardern has given up on offering any sort of economic plan. Luxon is offering stable and normal governance. I want a leader promising a prosperous future and not an Ardern Marxist promising to rip up the rule book.
    
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    March 6, 2022 2:53pm
  - Yvette
    
    The point was that Luxon seems to be using covid neither as a blanket nor a crutch in a rather long speech. I suspect Ardern would in fact do the opposite.
    
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    March 6, 2022 4:23pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Was that the one where he claimed he was a feminist and that National needed more Diversity and Inclusion (seen in a Newshub article)?
  
  Because if that’s what he said anywhere then it just shows how clueless and behind the times he is as a right-winger. Five years ago this might have sounded merely like bland mush, what you’d expect from some corporate type. But nowadays – given what the Left have done with these terms, which mean anything but diversity and inclusion in the world of ideas – he’d be nuts appealing to younger righties with such crap, which they treat with scorn on their social media sites.
  
  And “male feminist”?? Good grief: he’ll be wearing shorts, sandals and socks next.
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:13pm
  - tf78
    
    No it wasn’t.
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:01pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I dispair!
    
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    March 6, 2022 9:38pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She does not do state of the Nations, how ever, Robertsons blowharded attempt to smear Luxon by say NZers will lose, even though he is taxing the shit out of people is a clear sign they know they are stuffed
  
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  March 6, 2022 9:58pm
Rusty

Why is our govt and MSM downplaying supermarkets with empty shelves and limited stocks of everyday goods?

Yesterday I asked at the check out counter why no yogurt was available — she said they didn’t have enough staff to stock it.

This is going to turn into a big problem if not already — supermarket staff and delivery drivers off work isolating.

Heard much in our news about this problem?
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March 6, 2022 12:41pm
bjools

Just been watching “The outsiders” on sky tv.
Showed a hilarious mistake, from a US newes report.
The anchor was taking about the arrest of a 74 year old pedophile….the picture they brought up was Biden.
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March 6, 2022 12:59pm
TT500

Child actor Jack Tame interviewed Andrew Coster
on TVI Q and A this morning.
Asks Coster if there were any undercover police in
the crowd at Parliament on Wednesday.
Coster obsfucates his answer (translation yes )
Next question should have been , did the undercover police
trigger the violent behaviour? ( a bit of interesting
video footage floating around )
But no, Oh well I guess young Jacky just loves the taste of the taxpayer dime.

[Mod. Note: If you compose your posts on a text editor, please turn off formatting. Otherwise, this is what you see.]
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March 6, 2022 1:17pm
- surfing
  
  Ahh, so you’re saying the police started the riot against themselves.
  
  Excellent plan. Maybe all of the protestors were actually police. Reminds me of the monty python stoning scene, except no police allowed haha.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5YU_spBw0
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:06pm
- MCōs
  
  Doubtless the police had people wandering round keeping an eye on what was going on. After all it’s public land and that’s their job.
  There was some pretty flakey people on site with short fuses hassling people.
  However.
  There was hundreds of hours of video footage
  In a country where somebody knows everyone there is little chance they would go unrecognized if they stirred up trouble.
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:45pm
Master Mariner

NZ strategic asset.

Good reply from NZ Nautical Institute.

https://www.facebook.com/345375038885985/posts/4962038037219639/
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March 6, 2022 1:27pm
- Nickc2
  
  Not a good look! If Covid don’t kill ya, starvation will!
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:00pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Not of FB any possibility of posting their answer
  
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  March 6, 2022 3:45pm
Maggie Pie

Where on earth do they find the money?

My partner was saying word circulating down the Viaduct, is that even though there’s no more MIQ, the government is paying for 32 empty Hotels until the end of June!
The bill for just one of them runs to over $6mill…plus refits on top of that.
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March 6, 2022 1:31pm
- I remember when
  
  A lot of talk about the need for Hotel and Motel refits.
  Just wondered where they are going to get the tradesmen, especially in the cities, to do the work.
  “So you will be able to start – WHEN?”
  
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  March 6, 2022 1:42pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Not a prob Irw – they’ll “requisition” them 🙂
    
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    March 6, 2022 2:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Cindy tossed her hair to one side, made a non-caring motion with both hands and said to Robbo “just put it on the bill Darl, the next Govt’ll have to pay it and who gives a ………”?
  
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  March 6, 2022 1:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Contractual terms, I imagine. Minimum notice period. As negotiated by MBIE staff with no personal skin in the game.
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:31pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I think they may have personal skin in the game…
    as taxpayers. LOL!!!
    
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    March 6, 2022 5:42pm
I remember when

You don’t have to agree with everything she says but the intelligent comments deserve to be remembered.
Josie Pagani:
If the Government’s supporters argue that the Protest is defined by its nuttiest elements, then surely the same goes for them.
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March 6, 2022 1:36pm
- nathie
  
  Indeed, and to reinforce Ms Pagani’s comments, would Labour dare to revise and describe the 1981 Springbok tour protester movement as nutcases?
  
  Please do so Labour, for consistency and to avoid accusations of hypocrisy of course …. ooops deafening silence for those that apparently don’t ever tell lies!
  
  Why does the MSM lap up Cindy’s bullshit?
  
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  March 6, 2022 4:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Exactly .
  
  There was an eye gouging cop and the haymaker cop doing the one two to the head where the other cop was hitting a woman on the ground with his shield .
  $1uff also said one of their reporters was forced by a s sgt to delete pikkies from his camera , that sounds like intimidation .
  
  Goose gander .
  
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  March 6, 2022 4:29pm
bjools

This old chestnut.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/03/wisconsin-special-counsel-finds-widespread-election-fraud-in-2020-nursing-homes/
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March 6, 2022 1:56pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Activists going round Nursing homes Ballot harvesting and each Vote they collect is paid for by big money Democrat Billionaires.
  
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  March 6, 2022 2:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    They’ve boasted about it .
    Time magazine .
    
    ‘This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster.’
    
    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
    
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    March 6, 2022 4:32pm
    - RichardX
      
      Please point out the fraudulent or illegal actions described in that article.
      
      This is the 3rd time I have asked you this and so far you have failed miserably.
      
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      March 6, 2022 7:12pm
      - kowtow
        
        Did I ever say it was fraud or illegal.
        
        It was done under cover of covid . They admit the conspiracy and were funded by big tech billionaires .Very odd .
        
        They hired , got in massive numbers of activists to ballot harvest from people who would not , could not or weren’t bothered to vote in person .They got the huge numbers of postal ballots they wouldn’t have had outside of covid .
        
        ps No miserable fail.
        
        I usually can’t be arsed to read your posts.
        
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        March 6, 2022 8:41pm
surfing

More quality Stuff reporting….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127955922/calls-for-sleepyhead-boycott-after-director-shares-racist-email

Director of sleepyhead racist? On what basis?

“after a rant against “tribal rule” and government policies “prioritising Māori” ”

and…he shared an email that said…
“create a “centralised apartheid bureaucracy prioritising Maori over those with more serious medical needs”.”

The latter is definitely occurring… it is a fact.

Another egregious dilution of the meaning of the word racist…
which now seems to mean simply saying something that maori disagree with.
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March 6, 2022 2:02pm
- tf78
  
  Now math’s is racist – what would you expect? Idiots don’t deserve your time reading their comments, just ignore.
  
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  March 6, 2022 7:47pm
70andstilllearning

MOH’s got a problem. Their “reported” numbers are declining drastically. Pretty inventive with with the data interpretation though, and I guess they’ll be glad they used a “simple” MA vs “exponential” MA 🙂

“We are reporting 15,161 community cases of COVID-19 today, another day in which the overall daily case numbers reported has decreased.
While decreases in cases can be encouraging, the Ministry of Health urges caution.

The variation in reporting numbers each day means that the rolling average of cases gives a more reliable indicator of testing trends. The seven-day rolling average of cases is today 17,272, up from 16,687 yesterday.”
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March 6, 2022 2:22pm
- MCōs
  
  What exactly is their problem?
  
  I’m guessing here, but the I would say that covid-19 within the hospital system is their biggest problem.
  I doubt whether the MOH puts much store in the daily case numbers.
  
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  March 6, 2022 3:50pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Their problem Mc is they have no idea whether the spread is still exponential as they can’t rely on capture of all RAT positives which compromises the Hospitalisation estimates in their models. In addition some hopitalisations are a result of those arriving at hospital for other reasons, being found to be positive and being held for 1-2 days observation, which doesn’t either. Short and long of it – they can’t rely on case test data to confirm hosp model/actual data trends. An SMA is not a good stat to use for fast moving exponential type data sets short term.
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:48pm
- Inandout
  
  called into a New World on my travels and I swear hospitals are easier to handle.Huge signs up warning people of the ‘plague’, can’t pack your food in your trolley at the counter, must trundle to a special packing area. I was watching a show on TV where Florida is now the mecca for Californians who want to escape masks, passports and constant propaganda. They are so free it is heartwarming to see.
  
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  March 6, 2022 4:26pm
- tf78
  
  How many tests did they do each day? – I find those numbers, like everything they utter very hard to believe.
  
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  March 6, 2022 7:42pm
Surely Knott

RNZ attacks Newsroom for their media interview of Voices for Freedom. Stephen Judd of FACT Aotearoa accuses them of spreading misinformation and disinformation and that their organisation isn’t transparency because their is no public vote or transparency of funding., but VFF is a legal ltd liability company.

Yet FACT aotearoa is not a legal entity at all. It is simply a facebook page of anonymous membership, and far left comments. They are repeatedly quoted by media. So who is Stephen Judd their spokesperson. RNZ article never says. But wikimedia has a pic of him after the Christchurch Labour party campaign, and public address says he was the campaign manager for a candidate in Ilam.

The allegations of bias are absurd. Its spokesman Stephen Judd said Reid likely played into its PR strategy by introducing them as “three mums”. “There’s nothing wrong when you’re a mum with saying that you’re a mum,” he says. “The problem is, that’s not just what they are.”

Yet the blatant hypocrisy is they did not introduce Stephen Judd or his agenda accurately.

Where is the Ethics RNZ in using a labour party campaign manager as a spokesperson using an astroturf organisation.

https://publicaddress.net/speaker/why-im-standing-in-ilam/

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018832928/newsroom-accused-of-publicising-anti-vax-pr-pitch
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March 6, 2022 2:22pm
- Mike
  
  I listened to the show. Judd thought Reid could gave adked the ‘three Mums’ much more penetrating questions. Reid and Newshub didn’t want to be interviewed by MediaWatch, but their statement was read on the show. It was a well-balanced item.
  
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  March 6, 2022 7:35pm
CAKE FACE1

“One death is also being reported on Sunday – a patient at Auckland Hospital. The person had unrelated medical conditions and had tested positive for Covid-19.”

The media are now reporting every death as WITH Covid, rather than FROM Covid. Five deaths were described this way yesterday.

In the old days, they never distinguished between deaths with or from.

My best guess is that up to 10% of the reported Covid deaths died from Covid alone. However, this most likely overstates the situation.

I’m beginning to wonder if its actually possible that New Zealand actually has zero deaths FROM Covid exclusively to date. In other words, did any of the people who died have no co-morbidities?

It is possible. The first 30 or so deaths were in dementia ward / palliative care, where they were almost certainly waiting for God.

We shut the borders for two years for this? We closed our schools for months for this? We locked down the population for months? For this? Really?

Perhaps I am alone in thinking that the past two years have been mass madness.

So be it…
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March 6, 2022 2:34pm
- cmm
  
  “I’m beginning to wonder if its actually possible that New Zealand actually has zero deaths FROM Covid exclusively to date.”
  
  Some deaths in NZ are at least partially due to CV19 – especially those in the first wave in Christchurch where 10 or so people in a rest home visited. People in a rest home are typically in the last few months of their life and those 10 would have likely had significant comorbidities.
  
  My double-vaxxed mother who died in August of last year was such a partial death.
  
  She had cancer and a heart condition and had become very frail, then got CV19 and died. She was already on the skids and would have died within a few months anyway. CV19 just greased the perch a bit.
  
  It would be very interesting to find out if there have been any CV19 deaths at all where the person didn’t have severe comorbities.
  
  In the CDC statistics only around 5% of all CV19 deaths record no other causes. I’ll bet that in many of those 5%, the person really did have some comorbities (eg. obesity) that the doctor left off the death certificate because of “feelings”.
  
  Also, no doubt, many comorbidities are not tested for and go unmentioned (eg. Vit D deficiency). I doubt corpses are tested for Vit D levels.
  
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  March 6, 2022 6:23pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    But..but…but…..Stalinda claimed after the Freedom Camp slaughter, that she saved thousand of lives. You can be very sure that that mantra will be enlarged upon and greatly embellished.
    
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    March 6, 2022 7:42pm
Its only I

Luxon gives a speech, stuff leave the comments open.
Labour fails the comments are closed.

I try post a reply to a labour troll posting BS and reference my position with links to Stuffs own articles- never gets past the mods.
Tested by writing a Fawning pro Labour comment using nothing but pure BS….posted.

Perhaps the article was really just there for Labours internal polling or a training exercise for post covid media teams?? How many ex stuff staff work for Labour now..two or four?
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March 6, 2022 3:23pm
- tf78
  
  I thought it was a very good speech. Everything I wanted to hear for now. Go the Nats!
  
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  March 6, 2022 7:38pm
Lance

I see ex-pat Ukrainian Oligarchs have started spontaneously killing ‘themselves’.
Nothing suspicious here.. cough cough
/sarc/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/03/ukraine-born-oligarch-mikhail-watford-found-dead-at-home-in-surrey
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March 6, 2022 4:04pm
CAKE FACE1

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/boosted-vs-unvaxxed-how-does-omicron-infection-risk-compare/BIONGUBVW7HNHA74VBLGQOMWNM/

“This is information that is relatively simple to get from a mathematical model, but almost impossible to determine from real data, as it is so hard to know where and who someone got infected from – especially with skyrocketing case numbers.

His model indicated that, despite accounting for just around two in 10 of all Kiwis, the unvaccinated were responsible for 45 per cent of all new Omicron infections, compared with 39 per cent for those with two doses, and 15 per cent for boosted people.”

This is fake news. His completely bogus assumptions and model are dressed up as real data. This is a truly shocking piece of propaganda.

I would say this model is as reliable as the 80,000 dead prediction by modeller Hendy – except that this new model arguably represents a new even lower point.

We have over half a million Covid cases here, in a very short time.

There is no way that the 5% of people who are unvaccinated have spread this virus to 45% of the population – it is almost certain that vaccinated and unvaccinated are spreading it alike. Unvaccinated people aren’t even allowed to go anywhere. The numbers are absurd.

This guy can’t handle the truth. Even the Pfizer CEO says the Pfizer vaccine doesn’t stop the transmission of Omicron.

Goebbels used to film swarming cockroaches and rats, and compared these images to Jewish people.

I don’t like to compare the Covid propaganda to the Nazis, but the absurd use of “science” to dress up blatant nasty propaganda, to bully a small minority, does have some parallels.

This article and model is quite simply an affront to common decency.
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March 6, 2022 4:50pm
- Peter S
  
  The model is almost laughable. The assumptions that it is based upon are already demonstrably out of date.
  
  The limitations listed (behavioral) would make it of little value even if the assumption that vaccination restricts either transmission or susceptibility to infection (not talking about reduction of symptoms).
  
  Evidrnce suggests vacvination status has little impact on actual transmission, so the study has already been pretty much invalidated by observation.
  
  The daft thing is that there us enough data for some valid modeling to be done that might give some useful projections.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:24pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The local Whangarei Leader states that unvaccinated people are over represented in the hospital by a factor of four vs vaccinated people.
  
  As an unvaccinated person this piqued my interest enough to do a Google search on this matter.
  
  The results showed a huge variance between the supposed studies. One claimed that unvaccinated people were 49 times more likely to be hospitalized. Another claimed 24 times more likely. Another study said 17 times more likely. Another study showed you were 12 times more likely. Another claimed 7 times more likely.
  
  These results indicate that no-one really knows what they are talking about. They can’t all be right.
  
  It would be nice to know the truth.
  
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  March 6, 2022 8:33pm
blue collar

HAPPY DAYS
snapper are on the bite . Albacore tuna are prolific , n rumours of bluefin tuna n mahi mahi all within 20 mins of the port .
Plenty of gurnard
Waters warm , no swell to surf but body surfing will do for now
Lawns are done
Plenty of cold cans in the beer fridge
Gotta love summer

Whitebait season fast approaching
N it’s harvest time …. whether you’re Into peaches n apples …..
or good old TARANAKI THUNDER ?

Despite everything , it’s good to be alive …. real good
Looking forward to a live band n a good old fashioned drunken knees up
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March 6, 2022 5:00pm
- greybeard
  
  Sounds too good to be true.
  
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  March 6, 2022 6:29pm
bjools

While stitching a cut on the hand of a 74 year old farmer, who’s hand had been caught in a squeeze gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.
Eventually the conversation got around to politics and their role as our leaders.
The old farmer said, well as I see it, most politicians are Post Turtles.
Not knowing the term, the Dr asked. What’s a Post Turtle?
The farmer said “When you are driving down the road and and you come across a fence post with a Turtle on top, that’s a post turtle.
The farmer saw the Dr was confused, so he explained
“You know he didn’t get there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to while he’s up there, he’s elevated beyond his ability to function, and you wonder what dumb ass put him there.
Best description of a politician, I’ve seen.
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March 6, 2022 5:54pm
bjools

Back in the days of tanners and bobs
Back in the days of tanners and bobs
When Mothers had patience and Fathers had jobs.
When football team families wore hand me down shoes,
And T.V gave only two channels to choose.
Back in the days of three penny bits,
when schools employed nurses to search for your nits.
When snowballs were harmless; ice slides were permitted
and all of your jumpers were warm and hand knitted.
Back in the days of hot ginger beers,
when children remained so for more than six years.
When children respected what older folks said,
and pot was a thing you kept under your bed.
Back in the days of Listen with Mother,
when neighbours were friendly and talked to each other.
When cars were so rare you could play in the street.
When Doctors made house calls and Police walked the beat.
Back in the days of Milligan’s Goons,
when butter was butter and songs all had tunes.
It was dumplings for dinner and trifle for tea,
and your annual break was a day by the sea.
Back in the days of Dixon’s Dock Green,
Crackerjack pens and Lyons ice cream.
When children could freely wear National Health glasses,
and teachers all stood at the FRONT of their classes.
Back in the days of rocking and reeling,
when mobiles were things that you hung from the ceiling. When woodwork and pottery got taught in schools,
and everyone dreamed of a win on the pools.
Back in the days when I was a lad,
I can’t help but smile for the fun that I had.
Hopscotch and roller skates; snowballs to lob.
Back in the days of tanners and bobs.
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March 6, 2022 5:56pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  When we had three penny coins there was only one Tv channel to watch.
  
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  March 6, 2022 6:32pm
  - bjools
    
    and when it came to political commentary, they had strict rules about impartiality.
    
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    March 6, 2022 6:50pm
  - MCōs
    
    Back in the days of the thruppence NZ didn’t have a network with the four main centres each having a b/w channel.
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:53pm
kevn

There was a court case in Auckland on Friday.
Some high profile bod.
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March 6, 2022 6:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bound to have name suppression then.
  
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  March 6, 2022 7:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Still nothing either on the ‘unexplained death’ of our close neighbor Pauline Polkinghorne in her Upland Rd home.
    I mean f— me, it’s been nearly 12 months now!
    
    They say dogs have a ‘sixth-sense’ about death….you want to see how Gladys pulls back on the leash when we walk past. I have to pick her up and carry her. Did wee’s over my Trackie last week 🙁
    
    Just saying….
    
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    March 6, 2022 8:23pm
    - Paul Marsden
      
      Two words…’cover up’
      
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      March 6, 2022 10:19pm
glowworm

Love this guy…

https://youtu.be/6G3nWyoQ5CQ

Come a long since his vegan pizza days!

https://youtu.be/0MpL1KfYEJg
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March 6, 2022 7:43pm
surfing

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.28.21266967v2

Analysis on infections using NZ data, by someone who knows what they are talking about as opposed to the kiwiblog armchair citizen scientist.

“Despite the vaccine being less effective at preventing breakthrough transmission for Omicron, only 3% of all infections are from boosted to boosted individuals when normalized by population indicating that three doses of the vaccine provide good protection from infection and breakthrough transmission.”

Usual suspects will howl with outrage.
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March 6, 2022 9:40pm
- glowworm
  
  Also from the same paper…
  
  “….however, for the Omicron variant there is little difference between outbreaks seeded by unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals (boosted individuals are slightly less likely to seed large outbreaks).”
  
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