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February 28, 2022 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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peterwn

Parliamentary protesters are an ingenious lot. They have built some toilets, lifted a sewer manhole cover and feed the output into the sewage system (where it belongs). City bureaucrats are rather annoyed over this but cannot really fault the substance of it. Media are making a big issue of this, probably because it is ingenious and outrageous.
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February 28, 2022 8:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But but but, there Tim foil hats ?
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:13am
  - Raphael
    
    I am surpised that the Herald didn’t realise that the protestors were wearing tin foil hats to make fun of the Herald.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:12am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I think they have made fun of themselves
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:44am
- Jim
  
  The protesters have (again) embarrassed the council in many ways by creating improvised yet fully functional public services. It just demonstrates the bureaucratic state of regional and local councils, that now prioritise sending delegates on overseas global warming conferences, and yet can’t run an effective public bus service.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:24am
  - peterwn
    
    The Wellington bus service is pretty effective. Most of the bugs have been shaken out since the major revamp a few years ago. WRC and the two bus companies cannot be blamed for abandoning the Lambton bus interchange when protesters closed in on it. The Police should have secured it and its approaches at an early stage. Despite this the bus service is still a functioning and passengers in the main are appreciative of the drivers operating under difficult circumstances.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:26am
    - cmm
      
      The major bug is still there: it is not sustainable and never has been.
      
      Anything can pretend to work when propped up by sufficient taxpayer $.
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:36pm
    - Jim
      
      Well Peterwn, 7 hours later it looks like the ingenious protesters have it (over the local government bureaucracy) even if the bus service was just a simple (if somewhat poor) example.
      You have to credit the power of the kiwi people in the protest to get it together for the greater good of their community.
      
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      February 28, 2022 6:55pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Imagine if the whole country was run as efficiently as the protesters are running this? No wonder Ardern hates them. They show her up as the incomeptent clown that she is.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:32am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Peterwn:
  Good grief, a positive comment about the protesters?
  Next thing you know, there will be a suggestion that some brave person from the National Party might go out and talk to them.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:26am
  - curry4me
    
    Rodney Hide spoke to them recently. He used to lead a ‘freedom party’. Pity someone with a more recent ACT connection hasn’t followed his example.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:33am
    - mawm
      
      Rodney had his shortcomings but he’s head and shoulders above the current crop from all parties.
      
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      February 28, 2022 1:11pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
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    Why the he’ll should they, it’s clearly Tamiki fools and Bilky TK tin foil hat wears left, most appear to be Māori, woman, and young people
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:51am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You have absolutely zero clues about what is happening in Wellington. Not a single clue.
      Watch this. This is what is happening. Ignore the tiny group that turn up to every event. Also ignore the plants that are deliberately trying to smear the event.
      
      https://t.me/voicesforfreedom/1489
      
      [Unavailable for non-Telegram members. mod.]
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:35am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bugger off, I have seen enough, when I hear these idiots praising Tamiki, praising Billy TK , snd they are saying Tamiki is hot Getty’s heating, then that’s enoufot me, I realise the intentions of the protests are great, snd several that were originally there were there for the right reasons, but when you see them wearing tinfoil hats, and had gigga counters on the concrete blocks, then I can’t support them
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:56am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Try this one then
        
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/melanie-reid-a-visit-to-freedom-village
        
        Tamaki is just the head of destiny church. The main group protesting in Wellington (just over half the people) is voices for freedom (I’m a member) and their leaders are the three women in this interview.
        
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        February 28, 2022 12:16pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  TV3 news bit this morning implying there’s something wrong with connecting the loos to the “wastewater” system – can’t have sheeple thinking wastewater and sewerage systems are the same.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:36am
  - peterwn
    
    The sewage system is called ‘wastewater’, and the other system ‘stormwater’. It is quite apparent that the improvised toilets are discharging into the wastewater/sewage system, otherwise the Council would be extremely upset. It looks like a nameless plumber among the protesters did the work and would know what he was doing.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:32am
    - Surely Knott
      
      This guy doing a video of the new PeeHive loos is a must watch. (and he explains it goes into the wastewater system)
      https://twitter.com/i/status/1497829772981727234
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:20pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Perfectly agree peterwn – eg. 3 waters, ‘blackwater’ & ‘greywater’ as components of wastewater etc. It was ( in my view anyway) a deliberate attempt to avoid the still prevalent ‘sewage’ word, coupled with the tonal inflections and pictures to suggest something was wrong.
      Haven’t seen ‘wastewater’ in a LB assessment yet, doubt sheeple would know the difference between waste & storm and if challenged suspect nushub would respond with something like this:
      “How Drainage Works
      
      The process of draining water is way more complicated than you think. The water runs down a hole, into small house pipes, into bigger council pipes, for many kilometers to then arrive at its destination.
      
      In most cases, not everyone knows the difference between sewage and sewerage. Is it the same thing or two completely different things. Today, we are going to look at what those two words really mean, as a learning matter and something that may benefit anyone searching for a definition.
      Before the 20th century, sewage was usually discharged into a body of water such as a stream, river, lake, bay, or ocean. There was no treatment, so the breakdown of the human waste was left to the ecosystem. Now, the word “sewage” refers to liquids or waste matter usually carried off by sewers.
      In the modern world, the word sewage is slowly being replaced by the word “waste water,” also meaning that any water that has been affected by human use, making these two words similar in the way that in the end, we humans produce waste that is to be carried out by any means of transportation, such as sinks, tubs, showers, dishwashers, clothes washers, toilets, pipes, etc.” 🙂
      https://www.drainage.nz/what-is-the-difference-between-sewage-and-sewerage#:~:text=In the modern world, the,, such as sinks, tubs,
      
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      February 28, 2022 1:18pm
- kevn
  
  ‘Someone’ could get married by the new toilet block… now there’s a big media opportuniddy.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
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    Married in the toilet block with tin foil hats donned
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:57am
    - waikatosinger
      
      You know nothing and you are making a fool of yourself with these kinds of comments.
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:17pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        What does he care?… paid by someone to stay awake all day and night on alert to anti gummint comments
        
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        February 28, 2022 1:22pm
      - RichardX
        
        Bridgenag, Any evidence G or anyone is being paid to comment here or are you just making shit up?
        
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        February 28, 2022 7:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I know of someone who needs a marriage venue, been cancelled a few times. Think of the publicity …..
    
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    February 28, 2022 2:46pm
    - leoj
      
      Need to bypass house arrest first…..
      
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      February 28, 2022 5:11pm
    - Ehlana
      
      And – no restriction on the number of guests!
      
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      February 28, 2022 5:39pm
  - curry4me
    
    Someone did get married on site a few days ago.
    
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    February 28, 2022 3:59pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  And the bought-and-paid-for MSM with their cur-and-paste articles are laughingly oblivious to their own BS.
  
  An example today from 1$uffed:
  
  “The occupation has grown increasingly volatile, while sanitary conditions in the camp have continued to decline.”
  
  And the very next sentence in the same propaganda piece:
  
  “On Sunday, protesters built two fully functioning toilets at the corner of Hill St and Molesworth St.”
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:03pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    This first sentence is the official “rivers of filth” story that all the media were primed and ready to go with today. The police helped set this up. The protesters originally brought in portaloos. The police carted them away and blocked them from bringing in more. The protest site was supposed to stink to high heaven by now with sewage in the harbour. That would be the justification for sending in the big boys with truncheons.
    
    The second sentence is what actually happened. The protestors built toilets and hooked them to the sewers.
    
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    February 28, 2022 12:27pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Not sure if this is true but apparently the police won’t allow the trucks that empty the Porta loos onto the grounds. If true, that’s a good enough reason to build working flush toilets.
    
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    February 28, 2022 12:46pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Wellingtonians opposed to protestors running smear campaigns about sewerage in the harbour and unsanitary conditions at Parliament occupation.
    
    The irony being that both issues have been occurring in far greater proportion over the past few years and will continue to do so in future due to the neglect of the Wellington Council.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:59pm
- Rich Prick
  
  And now they have a shower block. This lot ought to have been put in charge of KiwiBuild.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/127903955/first-plumbedin-toilets-now-prefab-shower-block-appears-at-occupation-site
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now they’ve got a shower block installed
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/127903955/first-plumbedin-toilets-now-prefab-shower-block-appears-at-occupation-site
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:28pm
- My
  
  the pinched the seats from the Police Station, now the cops have nothing to go on..
  Billy T James called it a few years back..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsS8x8fFYhU
  
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  February 28, 2022 4:47pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Two toilets being upgraded to four for 500-1000 people …. hmm ….
  
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  February 28, 2022 7:17pm
  - RightNow
    
    There’s another 6 in the works mate, don’t panic
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It seems Our Dear PM is a very slow learner, but perhaps today she will figure out that the MIQ rules are obsolete.
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February 28, 2022 8:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are a waste of time, when 15000 cases are in the community, and 8 at the border, what bloody damage is that 8 doing, they are so backward they are inside out, why does it take so much pressure these fools to see simple common sense, I suggest scanning is now obsolete too, no longer giving places of interest , what’s the point
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:10am
  - greybeard
    
    It is a matter of pride. And politics. It ceased to be a health issue ages ago.
    They cannot admit that their approach has been wrong from the beginning.
    I think the word is “hubris”.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:37am
    - Tricati
      
      So true – the spin doctors will be working overtime to show ‘we had this plan for some time’ to back track on their intransigent positions on border & mandate restrictions. They will then enlist the MSM to propagate the spin, and present it as the health position has changed and we are being proactive in following the advice.
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:45am
      - PeeJay
        
        I can almost imagine the presser now – obviously won’t be led by Ardern as it could be a bit difficult so obviously Hipkins would get the short straw. Expect to hear phrases like ‘worked for delta….omicron has changed that’ and ‘follow the science’. Spinners into overdrive, MSM writing articles that would shame the ‘advertorial’ folks, and boom – it was always the plan to end MIQ.
        
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        February 28, 2022 12:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So many associate Ministers of Health. Plenty to throw under the bus.
        Nasty bastards
        
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        February 28, 2022 3:05pm
      - curry4me
        
        They’ll also get the most junior backbencher they can find to announce it? I wonder who is thinking “Why not me”? the most; Robertson, or Hipkins?
        
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        February 28, 2022 4:02pm
    - kowtow
      
      Indeed it should never have solely been a health issue either .
      
      The Swedes treated it as a whole of society issue but here and in many other places it was myopic “Save the health system” , while everthing else crashed .
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:41pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I don’t scan any more and seldom see anyone else doing it. What are you going to do if you get the cold? Nobody’s going to do contact tracing any more, they sacked them all – some a mere 45 minutes before their shift started.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:02am
    - Cinematic
      
      It’s become a parody hasn’t it? At restaurant last night asked for vaccine passports. Owner proceeded to flail phone around in pantomime of scanning to much amusement of patrons.
      
      Jacinda et al are a laughing stock.
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:21am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Scanning is a complete waste of time, because they’ve now (apparently) layed off the Contact Tracers.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:34am
    - Tricati
      
      And if National had treated those contracted to do the Contact Tracing like this mob has, then every union and Green Party activist would be screaming blue murder over it.
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:47am
    - krazykiwi
      
      It was a waste of time well before that. There is no evidence that containment theatre of any sort, including ‘contact tracing’ had any impact on slowing the spread. Virus gonna virus, no matter how smart the laptop-class bureaucrats think they are.
      
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      February 28, 2022 7:05pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        KK – you have been calling this out long before the deck of cards fell. Finding KB this past 12 months, the many great posts that challenged the propaganda narrative — yours particularly — have kept me sane. Thanks from the bottom of my heart!
        
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        February 28, 2022 10:07pm
  - Maggie's partner
    
    what happened on the 22nd?
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:22am
  - mawm
    
    The scanning has a different purpose – indoctrination for the electronic identity pass to be used by the subjects for their social credit score. This is iniquitous and any “individual freedom” supporting party should be fighting it tooth and nail but it seems as if the opposition are toothless.
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:28pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  As are the mandates and the vax passports and the covid legislation she imposed on the nation. None of this was every necessary or relevant.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:12am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Now that we are up to 6,000 community cases a day it all seems pretty pointless. The border arrivals and the unvaccinated can’t be wrecking that much havoc. Or must they still be punished?
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:29am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      6000 ? I thought yesterday was 15000
      
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      February 28, 2022 8:38am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Of course you are correct, I avoided the doom and gloom merchants yesterday. I’ve also dispensed with the chin diaper theatrics. I just don’t care for government rules anymore.
        
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        February 28, 2022 9:05am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        Pick a Figure the fits the narrative you want to justify.
        
        Remember the only truth is the truth jacinda tells you, everything else is misinformation.
        
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        February 28, 2022 9:15am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      There can be no doubt that the bulk of the spread of covid is being done by the jabbed. As predicted months ago. The vaccinated are more susceptible to infection. They might have a little more protection, but what’s the point if they are exponentially increasing the spread?
      On a positive note, we should all embrace this. natural infection gives stronger and longer lasting immunity. I think I may have covid, but it’s no different to any other bug I’ve had. A minor irritation. I won’t be getting a completely unreliable covid test. I will get an antibody test as soon as Cindy stops making it illegal for them to be imported. It would be nice to know if I have built up my immunity. HRH will get over herself eventually I’m hoping.
      Time to move on.
      
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      February 28, 2022 8:39am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        Same here but why are antibody tests illegal.
        
        Why would you make any test illegal.
        
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        February 28, 2022 9:17am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I had hepatitis A 50 years ago. And I still have hepatitis antibodies today. I have been tested. I can never get hepatitis today.
        
        Of course that is not to deride the excellent vaccines that have been developed over the last 70 years and which have saved millions of lives. For example measles infection provides life long immunity from the disease. However the measles vaccine generally provides 15 years protection, and you get another 15 years if you need a booster as an adult. Which is why I have no time for childhood vaccine antivaxxers.
        
        Governments were conned around the world on the COVID vaccine. The claim was that they were “95 percent effective”. If the leaflet in the packet had said “useless after 4 months” would governments have spent all that money? Of course not.
        
        And yet by the end of April the USA will roll out COVID vaccines for babies. Who would put it past Jacinda to do the same?
        
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        February 28, 2022 9:18am
      - Jim
        
        Spoke with a few people yesterday who clearly believe the triple jab affords them “immunity” from covid.
        So probing their understanding a little (whilst they smoked cigarettes every 25 minutes) I just enquired what happens 3 months after your booster jab! They looked at me in astonishment and said, “guess I get another one”.
        I dropped the subject, trying hard not to shake my head at these naive or deluded people.
        
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        February 28, 2022 9:32am
      - Jim
        
        Hmmm, there’s only one plausible reason why the government made importing antibody tests illegal.
        
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        February 28, 2022 10:30am
      - cmm
        
        Tests are not medicines. They provide information.
        
        Banning tests is really censorship rather than anything else.
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:24am
      - covfefe
        
        Two things – you can get antibody test via community laboratories – if you get your GP to write out request form and you pay for it.
        
        Benedict – hepatitis is quite different. Did you have A or B? A is mild or asymptomatic in children and does provide lasting immunity. B is also mild and asymptomatic in children but causes chronic infection, of which about 1% clear each year, although some of the virus remains in your liver so you are never actually ‘cured’. Someone who has cleared hep B and has an immune system won’t be infected on being re-exposed. But coronaviruses appear to be quite different – I am no virologist but I think it might be RNA viruses harder to make vaccines against.
        
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        February 28, 2022 12:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mr_Blobby, I reckon the tests were available but then banned by Labour. Reason? That would fuck up the Govt control numbers of infection. Those who have natural antibodies would not be tested for Covid and the variants.
        Govt wants high numbers of infection for control – antibody testing drops this number big time.
        We are taking a so called vaccine that is not good to natural antibodies – by design
        
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        February 28, 2022 3:19pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        BY – I’m not so certain Governments were conned. I still can’t get my head around all the layers of deceit that have enabled the worlds greatest delusion.
        
        Take a look at the evidence:
        
        These vaccines were only possible in the beginning and now by:
        1. Semantics – changing the definition of what is able to be called a vaccine.
        2. Suppression of medical treatments effective for COVID.
        3. Allowing approval without longitudinal safety testing.
        4. Extreme coercion and lack of truely informed consent to nudge mass vaccination
        5. Failure to review vaccine approval based on unprecedented adverse reaction data
        6. Hiding of the information provided to FDA emergency sign-off
        7. Failure to recognise and require reapproval when the vaccine changed from the authorised 2 shot system to a 2 + booster every 3 months treatment
        8. Ongoing promotion and coercion for 2019 vaccine to be used for 2020 and 2021 virus variants – despite the manufacture admitting they were no longer effective – by the Director General of Health and PM no less
        9. Promoting vaccination, and subsequent reduction in immune system for function, at the time the rate of spread (R value) has reached peak levels (3.54 being comparable to other countries at peak globally).
        10. Zero focus on lifting hospital system capacity – facilities, people, sharing of international best practices. In fact reported ICU capacity diminished
        11. Scaring the shit out of everyone, further disabling the functioning of the health system and society as a whole
        12. Zero public health promotion ie exercise, diet, sunshine, social connection, anxiety reduction, positivity, supplementation etc
        13. Minister of Health focused on major overhaul of the health system – illogical thing to do, like changing ones political system in the midst of a war
        
        I would say that it is the people who have been conned. The Government has been part of the system driven by a mix of lust for power, control, greed, misguided ideaology. A veritable melting pot of evil.
        
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        February 28, 2022 10:42pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Benedict – hepatitis is quite different. Did you have A or B?…..”
        
        Read my comment. I said I was infected with Hepatitis A.
        
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        March 1, 2022 12:24am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Mandates, and MIQ. Obsolete. Not based on science or evidence. Illegal.
    
    From the court summary: ” For example, there is no direct evidence of advice from the Director-General, or any other person on the relevant health science issues. Indeed the contemporaneous documents record that the
    Minister had received advice that further vaccine mandates were not needed for health reasons. “
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:51am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      But but but we have to protect people from the river of filth.
      
      And I choose my words carefully.
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:19am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    I never asked jacinda ardern to keep me safe.
    
    I never said I am prepared to have my freedoms and privacy restricted to keep me safe.
    
    One day I am not allowed to have a haircut or participate in activities to keep vaccinated safe from unvaccinated. That never made any sense. They are vaccinated right.
    
    Then it is to keep unvaccinated safe from vaccinated. This does not make any sense, most people are vaccinated the risk is minimal, right.
    
    What is it now to keep people arriving in the country safe from the infected residents, vaccinated and unvaccinated, this does not make any sense.
    
    Or is this the pandemic of the vaccinated, I should get an unvaccinated pass, and only unvaccinated can have haircuts and eat out, everyone else must wear masks around us. That makes sense except who do I dine with or do I dine alone
    
    The Bullshit and outright lies have to stop.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No one has been checking passes in my neck of the woods, it’s probably a good guide to Cindy’s popularity
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:14am
    - GJM
      
      Clevdon farmers market had someone scanning passes for everyone who went in. Masks everywhere.
      I went with friends otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered going in.
      On sunday at a pub well known amongs motorcyclists, they didn’t care about passes. Few masks except amongst a group of older people who seem to be the main ones to drink the Kool-aid.
      
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      March 1, 2022 10:50am
- Scott
  
  Maggy – you might well think that our Prime Minister is a slow learner. But I think, and I have been saying this for two years now, the Prime Minister is very comfortable with covid restrictions staying as long as possible. Preferably until the next election.
  Her mantra is that, ” I saved you from Covid”. What else has she got to run on?
  
  She can’t run on her divisive race-based agenda because if it was revealed to the public she would lose support.
  She can’t run on housing because housing has never been less affordable.
  She can’t run on the economy because thousands of people seem permanently on the dole and inflation is at heights not seen for 30 years.
  
  All she has got is “I saved you from Covid”. So we will have MIQ, we will have vaccine mandates, we will have masks, as long as she can possibly string it out. She is saying that Covid restrictions will stay on in winter to safeguard us from the flu season.
  
  And don’t ever think that she won’t lock us down for something else? Such as the flu or even climate change. Lockdowns today, lockdowns tomorrow, lockdowns for ever.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:16am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Her “saved you from covid” plank has simply turned into another non deliverable. Call it Kiwicov for want of something else. But lock downs – nope, her enforcers can’t even “contain” a few protesters now. Watch for the urgency sessions in parliament on constraints you never dreamed of.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:48am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy
  News media told us – Five-hundred and fifty-two contact tracers woke on Friday morning to find they were out of work – and detailed the extremely unprofessional, insensitive, and fucking rude manner in which some workers were messaged of termination of employment, at 8.15am, only 45 minutes before shifts began at 9am.
  
  So with no contact workers working, why would anyone sign in visiting the supermarket
  “Perhaps today she will figure out that the MIQ rules are obsolete”, and so is uselessly signing in at venues anyone visits – any process that would involve contact tracers, if they were there.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:31am
  - pdm
    
    I have only been signing in since April 2020 when requested by the business owner/operator.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:06am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have completely given up signing in, last time I signed in the previous date was a week earlier, another barometer to say people are over the hogwash
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:18am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      I have never signed in, at best fake name or take a photo of the sign.
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I did try and do the right thing to begin, but stuff it
        
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        February 28, 2022 10:53am
      - Ian Boag
        
        You don’t believe in any of it, but pretend to go along ….. Heroic.
        
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        February 28, 2022 7:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    How can staff simply be told they are no longer wanted over a text? And this from the union owned government, I sense this may be illegal as well
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:17am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    The laugh is that those contact tracers, in reality, did not actually achieve anything,
    
    Covid is here, it was always coming all we did was delay the inevitable and make it worse at a stagerringly huge economic and social costs.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:25am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As stated by many in mid 2020. All lockdowns would ever do was kick the can down the road. We would have to face it eventually and the longer we waited, the more difficult the challenge would be.
      Omicron may have saved many people. If it has that is pure luck and nothing to do with Cindy’s ineptitude.
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:42am
  - Jim
    
    LoL, when will the government be honest about the situation (vaccine efficacy, vaccine risk, MIQ, vaccine passes etc).
    By example just try calling your local supermarket manager and tell them you have tested positive on the same day you had visited their store. What are they expected to do with that information? I suspect you might get a polite reply and they’ll carry on regardless.
    The MoH site says:
    The Ministry is not publishing new locations of interest
    In Omicron Phase 3, the Ministry of Health will not publish new locations of interest.
    Using the NZ COVID Tracer app is still important. It is a digital diary of where you have been, and will help you identify who you need to tell if you test positive for COVID-19. Even if your contacts do not have to legally isolate, they should still be given the information so they can make decisions for themselves.
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/covid-19-information-household-and-close-contacts/covid-19-contact-tracing-locations-interest
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Donald Duck does. Address, Hollywood.
    Phone? Ducks don’t have phones
    
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    February 28, 2022 3:52pm
- krazykiwi
  
  She’s not a slow learner.
  
  But she is slowly withering, would-be tyrant.
  
  Her MIQ rules don’t serve New Zealanders.
  
  They serve her aspirations for domineering rule.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is a slow learner alright, you would have thought she would have learnt from not knowing the first point of the treaty as a PM, you would have thought she would have learnt after her not knowing what GDP was as our PM, but she struck again on Friday, she tried to tell sheeple that because we don’t buy our oil from Russia prices don’t go up, how good is that, a wave of the magic wand, but the stupid woman did not realise that if 30% of the world oil and gas is out of. Onus’s, that it would not effect prices for other oil exporters, she clearly doesn’t know about supply and demand
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It appears an announcement is imminent, perhaps as early as this afternoon. Ardern claims the Government has received “advice”; I suspect the only advice she has received is the content of Labour’s latest internal polling.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:42am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    On Saturday’s (actually Friday prerecord) “The Nation” the “advice” asked for wouldn’t be “received” by Monday. So she can manipulate time now? Interesting. 🙂
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bwhahahahaha, she doesn’t realise it’s too late
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:13am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s never been about the science .
    
    Only politics and these days almost literally everything is political.
    
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    February 28, 2022 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jethro advised her about his jewelery
    
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    February 28, 2022 3:55pm
- curry4me
  
  And with the contact tracers being fired by text, there is no point scanning in.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:34am
  - Local Miller
    
    Was there ever?
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:36am
    - curry4me
      
      No, I never downloaded the app.
      
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      February 28, 2022 4:10pm
artemisia

In the Herald in the weekend, paywalled but these examples of rental problems are included in the article.

A working mother of two who asked to pitch a tent at campsites while hunting for a rental. More than 60 applications for rentals turned down. (Why?)

A father who has moved in with his sister in Hamilton and commutes to Tauranga after being denied rentals because of his children’s ages. Given notice at previous rental because landlord was selling.

And a Rotorua mother who says it took two months to find a rental that wasn’t “rundown”,”damp” or “mouldy” Given notice at previous rental because landlord was selling.

These are just some of the people affected by the rental crisis as real estate agents say changes to the Residential Tenancy Act have made landlords “more stringent than ever” when selecting tenants.

And some are selling up.

There is a theme here, and it is changes made by this government. The changes include new costs imposed, renter tenure restrictions that result in much more stringent risk assessment and legislative changes that are ridiculously complicated.

Not to worry though, the Minister of Finance recommends they ‘look elsewhere’. Maybe join the waiting list for social housing. It’s only 25,887 long.
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February 28, 2022 8:08am
- artemisia
  
  And further to the ‘look elsewhere’ suggestion from Minister Robertson, some tenants in Christchurch are now to be charged market rent. Not surprising they are not too happy, but clearly they have had a good run so far.
  
  They could write to the Housing Minister. Or apply for social housing, only 1,770 on the waiting list for Christchurch City, but that was at September 2021 so probably a few more now.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127860000/residents-in-over60s-complex-may-have-to-leave-after-landlord-hikes-rents-and-opens-it-to-all-ages
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:11am
  - Nickc2
    
    Labour to charge Market Rates for State Housing. Bloody hypocrites! National implemented a Market Rates policy:
    But the government remained convinced that the policies were fair. The Labour Party disagreed. When it became government in 1999, it scrapped the market rents policy and reinstated income-related rents, by which eligible state house tenants paid no more than 25 percent of their total income in rent.
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/we-call-it-home/the-state-steps-in-and-out
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:54am
    - artemisia
      
      Thing is, the market rent policy from National placed social housing tenants on the same basis as other tenants. That is, they were charged market rent but could qualify for the Accommodation Supplement. Like every other tenant.
      
      Social housing tenants can pay market rent depending on their income. National had a policy of requiring, encouraging and supporting these tenants to move on, including into home ownership. Hundreds did.
      
      Meantime social housing tenants declare their household income to determine the rent they pay. I’m sure the declarations are 100% accurate.//
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:51am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I wonder if these tenants that have had it very good for a long time voted for this government?
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:26am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  I have a very good tenant, when they leave I will keep the property vacant until I find a gold plated tenant.
  
  And they will be gold plated.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:30am
- yobi
  
  I have over 10 rentals. When they announced the scrapping of the 90 day no cause evictions, two of my tenants were evicted. Why? Because I wasn’t willing to take the risk with them and have no out clause. All my properties are in reasonable condition, but they are due a spruce up. This isn’t going to happen now as the only cause I now have to evict a tenant is on the basis of renovation. Eviction due to selling isn’t an option as I don’t want to sell my properties. Rents are rising due to the cost associated with rental properties. Having idiot labour politicians standing for mayor and saying they want to increase rates by 20% will really slow rent increases. The rental market needs to have a balanced approach where both parties benefit from the arrangement and bad tenants and landlords are appropriately penalized for their behavior. The government need to keep their noses out of the business side of this. Leave insurance companies to run their businesses and hold councils to account on what they are charging.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:20am
  - artemisia
    
    Rents are also rising because rents are rising.
    
    By which I mean – many owners have little or no borrowing so are not affected by interest rate rises or the very stupid interest non deductibility. A win for those owners because both factors significantly contribute to increases in market rents. Which the owners will charge if running a business not a charity.
    
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    February 28, 2022 3:00pm
- kowtow
  
  Did the article ask “how’s that year of delivery thingy going”
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:48pm
G152

Putin looks to be doing the Hitler thing.
Claim some-one in bordering country is being destroyed invade said country and threaten world with total war/nuclear weapons.
Chamberlains of the world wave paper
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February 28, 2022 8:11am
- Ra Henare
  
  I find it vaguely amusing at the shock horror Putin invades Ukraine headlines and resultant anti Russian sentiment.
  
  Didnt get that anti USA media coverage when US/NATO Illegally bombed Belgrade, invaded Iraq or bombed Libya, invaded Grenada (ie no UN approval). Lets not talk about Afghanistan,
  
  Its almost like most of the sheeple think Putin woke up one morning and decided gosh, its a cold day, lets send the army in to Ukraine to warm them up?
  
  The US via NATO/EU have been squeezing Russia’s balls for decades. Since the 1991 “”peace”” agreements between Ronnie Reagan and Gorbachev.
  
  How did they do this.
  By reneging on the agreement to stop any eastward increase in NATO countries.
  
  Putin has been signaling his frustration for years.
  
  Look at this “signal”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cugn8JZfk
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m not a card carrying Putin fan but I’m a realist. 14,000 have been killed in Donbass and Donetsk in the last eight years. Ukraine has broken the Minsk accord repeatedly. The antics of the Azov Battalion are doing them no favours either. If it was a comparable situation as close to the borders of the US what do you think might have been different?
  I’m curious to know why people think it’s ok for the US to illegally interfere in other countries when they believe there is a strategic gain but not ok for other countries to do likewise?
  I fail to see how they are different. But I am not a geopolitical expert, maybe one of the Kiwibloggers here can enlighten me.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:48am
  - Cinematic
    
    I think this is pretty simple but like you I’m no expert. Don’t invade sovereign nations. In regards to the thousands of previous invasions over human history, two wrongs don’t make a right.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:30am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      The question of what to do when another nation is engaging in human rights abuses within their own borders is far from simple. Doing nothing is unsatisfactory, allowing nations to use false allegations of abuse as a pretext to invade is unsatisfactory, trying to set up an independent body to investigate and make a determination is difficult.
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:43am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        When are we invading Canada then?
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Sounds like New Zealand could be on that list.
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:56am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      When it comes to US interventions in other countries it’s more like 20 wrongs don’t make a right. There are only a couple of countries left on the planet that they haven’t intervened militarily in. These are just the ones they’ve bombed since WW2.
      I agree, don’t do it. But they seem to have done an awful lot of it.
      
      Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War)
      Guatemala 1954
      Indonesia 1958
      Cuba 1959-1961
      Guatemala 1960
      Congo 1964
      Laos 1964-73
      Vietnam 1961-73
      Cambodia 1969-70
      Guatemala 1967-69
      Grenada 1983
      Lebanon 1983, 1984 (both Lebanese and Syrian targets)
      Libya 1986
      El Salvador 1980s
      Nicaragua 1980s
      Iran 1987
      Panama 1989
      Iraq 1991 (Persian Gulf War)
      Kuwait 1991
      Somalia 1993
      Bosnia 1994, 1995
      Sudan 1998
      Afghanistan 1998
      Yugoslavia 1999
      Yemen 2002
      Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis)
      Iraq 2003-2015
      Afghanistan 2001-2015
      Pakistan 2007-2015
      Somalia 2007-8, 2011
      Yemen 2009, 2011
      Libya 2011, 2015
      Syria 2014-2015
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:54am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Clan, how many of these countries did America absorb into the USA?
        
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        February 28, 2022 12:09pm
      - kowtow
        
        Yes but .
        
        The same people who hated Trump for saying we are not the world’s policeman , hailed Creepy Joe for saying America’s back .
        
        Only America’s not back as no one wants a nuclear war.
        
        You asked can anyone explain.
        
        A good place to start was soemone posted David Starkey’s you tube primer yesterday . Understand history from the tyrant’s point of view . Not justification. Just explainer. Start there .
        
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        February 28, 2022 12:55pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        In Vito Veritas – does “absorb” include installing a puppet regime as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran etc? Or leaving utter chaos as in Libya? If they are included in the list then the answer is all of them.
        To repeat, I am not pro Putin/Russia. I am anti all thugs, bullies, usurpers and anyone forcibly imposing their will on people trying to live their lives. I don’t agree with what is happening in Ukraine but I can understand why Putin is doing what he is from a militarily stragegic pov.
        
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        March 1, 2022 8:03am
    - cjn
      
      Climatic: Although I agree, sometimes the border has been drawn by someone with a map and a ruler and the neighbours don’t agree. India/China and Pakistan/Afghanistan come to mind at the moment. We could also think of the whole of the Middle East and Ireland. Islands are easier. The USA and Canada do quite well. Mexico and the USA less so.
      
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      February 28, 2022 1:26pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    It’s not OK.
    
    …and it’s not like NZ hasn’t done it either.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:46am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Black with a Grievance
      Lol
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:18am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Haha… No that’s my cuzzie, Brown with a Greivance.
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:23am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Clan
    The fact is, Russia is not behaving any differently than the US has in recent decades in the middle east. They even backed a coup in Ukraine in 2014 which was really the beginning of this conflict. The only reason for the double standard (assuming they perceive one) and why people are wailing about Putin doing it is because they still take their cue from the corporate media, don’t think for themselves, and don’t understand geopolitics.
    
    While some dullard accused me yesterday of “carrying water for Putin” the reality is that I am fairly indifferent to either side, and thus I can assess events from an objective position and with the needed context.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yes, I followed the Maidan “coup” at the time with some interest. Obama all over that one.
      I see “fuck the EU” Victoria Nuland is back on the scene. The modern day Madeline Albright no doubt. Her hubby has a bit of a reputation too.
      I also have no skin in the game, I assess as I see it and the hypocrisy out of the NATO countries is a marvel.
      “Yes Russia bad, look how close they put their country to our troops and missile batteries”
      I was only surprised it took so long for Putin to react.
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:03pm
ClanMcleod

Christopher Cole. FDA executive. Biden’s vaccine vision. Why? They don’t work? It’s nothing to do with health so what is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSXHrmOy8o
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February 28, 2022 8:11am
- septic skeptic
  
  There is NO TRUTH in the rumour that Hunter Biden is about to be appointed to the Pfizer board!
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:11am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  It’s about compliance through biometric digital IDs, digitalised currency and therefore total control over everyone.
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2022/02/24/national-vaccine-quietly-rolled-out/?sh=51a537a66be6
  
  https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/video/hong-kong-rolls-covid-vaccine-132618983.html
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/0/nhs-covid-pass-england-vaccine-passport-uk-app-2022/
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:23am
  - mawm
    
    ^^^ 100% Why can’t people see this? The WEF has been signalling where they are going but everyone, including the centre-right parties are being so complacent about it. A freedom lost will not be given back except at the end of the barrel of a gun.
    
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    February 28, 2022 2:04pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      100% agree. Although I think there has been an advance signal of what this might be like if it materialises here. Trudeau. His freezing of conventional bank accounts was a very brazen warning of what awaits societies dreamy enough to believe that the government still serves the people. There is a much, much bigger play going on here, with vaccine passes the Trojan horse for a central-bank- programmable digital currency tied to a social credit system. Want to have a life this summer? Don’t say that stuff on your blog. Want to travel? Make sure you’ve paid your carbon taxes directly prior. This is the next frontier of global authoritarian advancement. Schwab has publicly stated in 2017 that their plan was to “penetrate the cabinets” of world governments, and he later gloated that “half… or even more than half of Trudeau’s cabinet are actually Young Global Leaders of the World Economic Forum”
      
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      February 28, 2022 7:19pm
Yabster

Hobsons pledge letter to Cindy -re 3 waters and co-governance.

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/letter_to_jacinda
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February 28, 2022 8:11am
Maggie Pie

We heard Hosk say earlier that Vlad had put Nuclear forces on HIGH ALERT.
My partner reckons it’s just a bluff. He probably didn’t expect such stiff resistance. Although Ukraine is hardly enuff to end the world over.

Still scary sh*t nonetheless 🙁
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February 28, 2022 8:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He’s sending a message to NATO and the US. Don’t interfere. The US can hardly lecture Russia re illegal interventions in other countries though, can they?
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:22am
  - Cinematic
    
    Looks like his message isn’t getting through. Hour by hour Putins grip on reality and Russia appears to be slipping. Russia will defeat Ukraine but at unimaginable cost to Russia.
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:33am
    - tknorriss
      
      Depends how you define “win”.
      
      The problem for the Russians is that they are not only fighting the Ukraine military, but also a highly motivated populace who are willing to join the fight.
      
      Even if Russia do manage to capture some of the major cities, which is proving very difficult for them at the moment, they will be locked into a long guerilla war that will eventually bleed them dry.
      
      Russia has offered negotiations without preconditions.
      
      https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-and-russia-set-to-hold-negotiations-at-belarusian-ukrainian-border-says-office-of-president-zelenskyy-12553294
      
      My thought is that they will try to negotiate some sort of gain to save face, and then withdraw their forces.
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:07am
      - Other_Andy
        
        “The problem for the Russians is that they are not only fighting the Ukraine military, but also a highly motivated populace who are willing to join the fight.”
        
        And it looks like there are a few Russian soldiers who are wondering what they are fighting for. Why they are suddenly needing to kill people they have lived with in the same country for almost a century.
        
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        February 28, 2022 10:03am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        The Russians shouldn’t encounter too many difficulties, given that many of the Ukrainians are apparently armed with fake weapons. I’m not believing a whole lot of the coverage about what’s actually happening.
        
        https://gab.com/BeachMilk/posts/107869232841634498
        
        https://gab.com/Shazlandia/posts/107867516038114197
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:28am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      High stakes poker, well out of my league. I only observe and shake my head and feel sad for the innocent victims. It’s always the same. The US record of the last 70 years is abominable also.
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:51am
  - Harro104
    
    Arguing Russian behaviour is no better then the US’ is a classic talking point for: 1) Russian propagandists; or 2) American woketards who agonise over whether their liberal democracy does more harm in the world than repressive dictatorships. Which camp do you fall in Clan?
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:36am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Harro, I’ve no idea what you are talking about and I don’t do “camps”. I’m not tribal and I’m not irrationally supportive of anything that doesn’t deserve it. I’m simply pointing out years of hypocrisy. I don’t take sides. Never have and never will. I look at what’s in front of me and form an opinion based on the best information available. As usual, it’s the innocents who pay the heaviest price when these people play their power tripping games.
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:52am
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Exactly. “Question everything” is the best motto. Why would I trust without question pronouncements about Putin and Russia coming from the same people who have lied to me for 2 years straight about Covid, and have probably lied to me for decades before that?
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:40am
      - Harro104
        
        Sorry, I seem to have missed your camp:
        
        3) Non-aligned false equivalence enthusiasts.
        
        There, all better.
        
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        February 28, 2022 11:51am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      By the same token, arguing Russian behaviour is worse than the US’s is a classic talking point for:
      1) US propagandists; or 2) American woketards who think they live in a liberal democracy that does less harm than repressive dictatorships. Which camp do you fall in Harro104?
      
      Once you realise that both sides are awash with propaganda that is designed to suit themselves, you’ll be able to filter out most of the self-serving PR and assess the situation more objectively and rationally. This simplistic “good guys” versus “bad guys” nonsense gets us nowhere.
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:38am
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Well, what the world is seeing is just how damn GOOD the Americans military are. People talk about technology, weaponry numbers advantage etc, but most do not realize how hard it is to invade a large geographic country like Iraq or Ukraine and the logistics behind it. The yanks are totally integrated and an absolute unbeatable conventional war machine. How they combine their assets to clear out the enemy using fast air, choppers,
    artillery, shoulder fired missiles and small arms is brutal. All well fed and gassed up even 500 miles from their FOB, And that’s after they have cleared out command and control with cruise missiles, Spec Ops guided strikes, and stealth jets. The Russians are looking disorganized inexperienced and lacking these tactical and strategic planning and integration. One amoured vehicle ran out of gas 18ks into Ukraine, that’s a clown show! The other major deficit is their will to fight. My call is that Putin is toast. This was a major blunder and it’s just how he goes down, let’s hope he dosnt go down a scorched earth approach. Somehow the West need to let him lose with Mana, so he can still look strong. Just because you have better mukitary capability on paper, dosnt mean u will win. History is littered with famous battles lot bu superior forces…..
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:48am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Putin’s ultimate demise will not be on the battlefield. It will be at home. Despite upgrading his military over the past 20 years, Putin did not learn from the USSR’s other big failure, Afghanistan. Despite the sugar coating of the withdrawal in 1989, the Soviets were never forgiven by the Manas and the Babushkas who had lost sons and grandsons during that conflict.
      
      Reports that this conflict is going even worse for Putin in 4 days. Also, the fact the Russians are steadfastly refusing to admit loses, says Putin will have riots in Russia when the families find out what has happened to their sons.
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:38am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Bit different.
        
        Ethnically Ukrainians and Russians are similar. So the occupying power understand and can readily infiltrate the victims. They are also likely willing to use more extreme force if Chechnya is anything to go by.
        
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        February 28, 2022 7:29pm
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      I don’t think Russian troops hearts are into it. I doubt they’re feeling Putins vibe…
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:49am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      The US military is not the same beast as it was 20 years ago, just as the Russians are not either. One has declined, the other has ascended. Battalions of American transsexuals taking out a few Arabs and blowing up a few school kids with drone strikes is not really in the same league as taking out the Russian army. In recent years, the Russians cleaned up the situation in Syria, whereas the US ran away from Afghanistan.
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:44am
      - Russ the Muss
        
        Lol, and this is why Mr Putin is toast mate! Over confidence. Footage of Russian kids crying when being lectured by Ukrainian civilians showcase true sentiment of this conscript army. These young lads sent to fight for an evil old man’s wet dream is very sad and I feel for them the warmonger that send them, not so much mate. Re. The yanks being woke, that maybe the case but I wouldn’t put the house on it, especially if an or F-18 was painting me from 10 000 ft…. or a warthog was steaming at me. I think I’d take my chaces against a slow T-74 armed with a Javelin their champ.
        
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        February 28, 2022 2:41pm
    - mawm
      
      The biggest weakness of the US military are the politicians both in DC and in the military.
      
      BTW – when last did they win a war? 1945.
      
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      February 28, 2022 2:36pm
- The Other Enoch
  
  A great novel that covers a similar situation is Ken Folletts latest. Titled ‘Never’. A jolly good read and very believable. Just swap China for Russia. If you do pick it up I hope that you enjoy it.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:33am
- backster
  
  Maggie…What do the girls from the Tennis Club think?
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Fleur was pretty upset when the local Liquor Shop pulled Elit off their shelf.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:18am
- Mobile Michael
  
  This is how I imagine Putin’s week is going:
  https://youtu.be/3iFxUCSTfRU
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:54am
- rouppe
  
  Putin has badly miscalculated. He said that he was recognising break-away states in the east, but then invades the whole country from the north, east, and south, looking to capture Kiev and overthrow the government.
  
  If he’d just swarmed into the eastern states and stopped, he probably would have got away with it
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:42am
  - kowtow
    
    When this is over the west needs to kick the arse of that prick in so called Belo rus as well.
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:02pm
- Ra Henare
  
  According to a Military Analyst Nukes in Russia are always on high alert given US Missiles in Poland and Romania. Just a couple of minutes flight time from Russia.
  He suggests this is part of Putins theatre.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:52am
- Jimbob
  
  Putin is in serious risk of getting a 9mm to the back of the head.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    He will do a Hitler and take his own life first. Despite his bravado, Putin is like all authoritarian bullies, a coward. Have you noticed he has only picked fights with those nations that are not supported by an alliance & he thinks he can defeat.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You mean like America? lol
      No offence, but the hypocrisy is incredible. Compare the interventions of the US v Russia. Putin isn’t in the same league. Even if you include the former USSR the US wins by a ridiculous margin.
      I don’t agree with Putin putting his troops in, but as a neutral observer I can see why he did. the US via their proxy NATO have been pushing this for over 20 years. They need to study Russian history.
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:10pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Clan, it is you with the blinkers.
        Since becoming PM (in 1998) and then President in 2000, Putin has:
        1. Used Bush’s war on terror to wage war against Chechen separatists in Russia;
        2. Aided Russian separatists in Georgia for an independent Russian enclave in Abkhazia (2007/08);
        3. Annexed Crimea from Ukraine (2014);
        4. Has been actively supporting Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine with weapons and Russian army divisions;
        5. 2018 Sent force’s to Syria to support the Assad regime;
        5. 2021 sent Russian commandos to Belarus to fuel tensions further arising from the migrants that were being transported to Belarus from the Middle East and then being transported to the Lithuanian border;
        6. Jan 2022 Putin sent troops to Kazakhstan to support his ally and puppet government in a “peacekeeping mission”.
        
        Not to mention the targeted killings of opponents in and outside of Russia.
        
        May I suggest you stop pretending your view is independent, you are an apologist for a KGB trained Soviet Imperialist thug.
        
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        February 28, 2022 1:45pm
      - mawm
        
        The belief that the Western press is not propoganda is very strong on this board.
        
        Hull – Take a look at your list – Chechen separatists who were carrying out terrorist attacks in Russia, supporting Russian separatists in Abkhazia, Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, supported Assad in Syria at his request (whereas the US were operating there illegally), and sent troops to Kazakhstan to support his ally. I don’t see bombing the sh*t out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya..
        
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        February 28, 2022 2:54pm
- virtualmark
  
  Not necessarily a bluff.
  
  Russian military doctrine is that if you are losing the conventional war then you “escalate to de-escalate” by using tactical nukes on the battlefield to force your opponent into an armistice.
  
  Putting nuclear forces on high alert is a first step in that process. The tactical nukes aren’t kept in the regular army ammunition stores – they’re in the nuclear forces stores. So raising the alert includes saying “get ready to move out and deliver tactical nukes to the conventional forces”.
  
  It does also tell the land-based strategic nukes (ICBMs) to leave their barracks and disperse into the countryside.
  
  No one really knows just what he intends with this message. It is a warning shot at NATO. It is also a sign that Russia thinks its losing the conventional war and might need to force a standstill.
  
  And no one seems to know what NATOs response would be to Russia using tactical nukes on Ukraine.
  
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  February 28, 2022 3:58pm
Simon

“It seems Our Dear PM is a very slow learner”

What makes you think she is in charge? She will be waiting on a “briefing” before she can act.
Ardern claims to follow the science. That means she has to wait around to be told what to do.
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February 28, 2022 8:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What makes you think she is in charge?
  
  I’ve never imagined for one minute that Jacinda Ardern is in charge…
  
  I’m using lazy shorthand by referring to Our Dear PM, since it is she that delivers the message to “team 5 Mill”.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:22am
  - RF
    
    Ardern just parrots what her dozens of think tank minders feed her.
    
    When preaching from the pulpit she reads from prepared scripts.
    
    She is a puppet.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:42am
- kevn
  
  @Simon… Follows the polling as well to know what to do.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:22am
- coge
  
  Perhaps she should start following human rights.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:09am
Raphael

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Remember both side will be using Propaganda, more than half of the stuff you will see online (including in the MSM) whether or not it is for Ukraine or for Russia will be exaggerated, outright falsehoods, if photos completely unrelated.
Take everything with a large grain of salt.
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February 28, 2022 8:13am
- backster
  
  Rap…Sure you are not talking about Covid or Global Warming.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:48am
- Russ the Muss
  
  Indeed, the Ukrainians are bombing themselves and all the Russians o their soil are Ukrainians dressed in Russian uniforms. There is no Russian Invasion and no Russians are in Kiev trying to kill or capture their government….
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:51am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    “The CIA are behind it it all!” in 3….2….1….
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:40am
  - kowtow
    
    The soldiers from Snake island have turned up alive, the tank crushing the car was in an ambush and I’d bet the ghost pilot is probably not real either .
    
    Other than that , no doubt it’s a huge shit fest for all ionvolved and hopefully there’ll be a palace coup in the Kremlin.
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:07pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  As an example Raphael.
  
  https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/27/7-fake-news-stories-coming-out-of-ukraine/
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:57am
  - bjools
    
    The first casualty is always….”The Truth”
    However…the facts are…the invasion
    1. Is an invasion
    2. Is NOT going as well as the Russians thought.
    3. The Russians have only deployed 2/3 of the forces they have there.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:46am
    - Cinematic
      
      I’ve read due to compromised supply lines they can’t deploy further troops. It’s looking like it could turn into a total cluster for Russia.
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:41pm
      - bjools
        
        It could BUT…..they are still in position to win, they will have to trip over themselves.
        
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        February 28, 2022 5:38pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Quite right and as Abraham Lincoln once said, 78% of all statistics on the internet are made up.
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:54pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    A man of visionary knowledge.
    
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    February 28, 2022 2:55pm
mandk

@ Maggy W

The woman is an ignoramus.

She clearly has no understanding of recent world history, she has no idea about how the economy works, and is obviously not on top of the details of the covid response.

What is she good for?
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February 28, 2022 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Luxon should emulate the House of Commons debate in 1938 which led to the downfall of Chamberlain.
  
  “You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go. “
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:26am
  - Ra Henare
    
    First uttered by Oliver Cromwell in 1653, the words were delivered again, perhaps most famously, in a 1940 critique of Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. The iconic line was then quoted again some 8 decades later, in early 2022, as part of an attack levelled at Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:54am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes repeated in 2022 by David Davis (the former Brexit Secretary) towards BoJo over his mismanagement of affairs at Downing Street, and his inability to tell the truth about anything of substance (sound familiar?)
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:51am
      - virtualmark
        
        Boris is an almost perfect UK replica of Trump.
        
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        February 28, 2022 4:00pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    First uttered by Cromwell in 1653, then again this year in an attack on Bojo in the UK. Fine words indeed.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:00am
    - kowtow
      
      No , they were shameful words of a cruel self aggrandising military dictator .
      
      After those words in marched a troop of soldiers .
      
      The same thing the Puritans scolded and then executed Charles for .
      
      Hypocrites and thugs.
      
      Asto Chamberlain , Churchill was ironically more guilty for the Norway stuff up than Chamberlain was but the world of politics is such that the only other man , halifax ,who could have got the job didn’t want it , so Winny got it . And of course that was brilliant .
      
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      February 28, 2022 1:14pm
  - curry4me
    
    There’s zero chance of Labour lite doing that. It’d require a backbone. Don’t bet the farm on the ‘freedom party’ doing it either. They’ve swapped theirs for a vaccine, mask, and some digital papers.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Labour lite bullshit, they are anti 3 waters, anti separatist agenda, anti added taxes, they had a crack at this gutless government over being led by the bones of the UN over the weakest ever sanctions on Russia, oh well, you will be happy to keep your Cindy on the
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:18am
      - curry4me
        
        They’re rightly called Labour lite because they’ve been competently managing their policies for decades. How many have they reversed? Can they be counted on the fingers of no hands? There was a ‘freedom party’ in parliament. Not any more. The New Conservatives might rise in the polls, based on their performance at the protests. Matt Kings’ new party might gain traction too.
        
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        February 28, 2022 4:23pm
G152

Wellington councillor lied as per usual.
Claimed onsite toilets plumbed into waste water.
Maybe they should jack up a junction to get the shit out of the House
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February 28, 2022 8:14am
- bronny1
  
  Did you see it has been named the Peehive. Nicely stenciled on the side. Looks very professional. This protest is so much better than the normal lefty ones. Amazing what having some people with actual skills can do.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:19am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, I did. They’ve got a lively sense of humour.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:50am
- Happy1
  
  If they are putting it down pipes with manholes it’s going into the stormwater system.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:25am
  - bjools
    
    Sewage/waste water pipes also have manholes.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Those large manholes are sewer out let’s or for maintenance
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:28am
- rouppe
  
  Ummm. It is plumbed into waste water. Which is what you want.
  
  You don’t want it plumbed into storm water…
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:46am
  - MCōs
    
    Does that mean any old Joe can construct a dunny in the street without going through a consent process?
    Where’s His Worship the Mayor now? Did he pass the tools to the street plumber?
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:53pm
- DimChappie
  
  They are connected to the waste water (sewage) system, some media has said they were going into storm water system, then the harbour.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:21am
  - bjools
    
    Lies from the ignorant are easily disproved.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:50am
yossarian

Neil Oliver even had time to give a few kicks at our esteemed leader, doesn’t he know that she’s just so adored here???

https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/neil-oliver-we-watch-ukraine-and-russia-but-at-the-same-time-we-should-watch-what-our-leaders-are-up-to-here-in-the-west/235533
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February 28, 2022 8:17am
- Jim
  
  More credible people like Neil Oliver, Russell Brand and even Ricky Gervais have called out the blatant elite hypocrisy as they themselves have seen the effect of corporate corruption on democratic nations and their weak self serving duplicitous politicians.
  Did any western politicians declare intent for WEF agenda in their manifestos?
  
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  February 28, 2022 4:12pm
Simon

MSM lying about the Wellington freedom protests. Thats in NZ. Internationally how badly do you think they will be lying about Ukraine / Russia. Bad enough for a bigger war?
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February 28, 2022 8:17am
- curry4me
  
  So, just another day with y in it then?
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:51am
Nukuleka

Cardiologist Harvey White is warning of the long Covid effects of getting omicron, with the likelihood of increased risks of heart disease, strokes etc. Could anyone shed light on this? He is, of course, encouraging people to get the 3rd vaccine dose, but given the fact that fully vaccinated people are contracting the virus does this argument hold water? This is a genuine question. Aren’t we all likely to get omicron, irrespective of whether we are vaccinated or not? Or would the 3rd vaccination reduce the chances of getting long covid?
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February 28, 2022 8:23am
- rangitoto
  
  Omicron surely hasn’t been around long enough to say anything about long covid.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:25am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are correct. Nobody knows yet.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Rangitoto – indeed. Nor has the vaccine been around long enough to make claims about “long term safety data” as has been claimed since it was first released.
    Boosters take that farce to a whole new level.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:04am
- RightNow
  
  I’d love to see the studies showing that the vaccine prevents long covid. Just how long would those studies need to run and when did they begin?
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:30am
- Other_Andy
  
  “Cardiologist Harvey White is warning of the long Covid effects of getting omicron, with the likelihood of increased risks of heart disease, strokes etc”
  
  ‘Incidentally’, this is also one of the side effects of the mRNA vaccine…
  Blood cloths (strokes), myocarditis and pericarditis.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:33am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They are doing there best to keep the scare tactics up, Hoskins said this morning , out of the 280 odd in hospital, 40% were at hospital with other issues, when arriving they weee tested and found to have COVID, it’s as if a very nasty dictatorial Putinesk PM wants us scared shitless for the rest of our days
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:24am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes. There is a tsunami of evidence of vaccine harm accumulating behind a increasingly leaky dam with increasingly desperate officials’ fingers plugging holes.
    
    One of the problems of conducting an experiment in quite literally billions of people is that hiding the unexpected/undesired outcomes was always going to be impossible.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:10am
    - Ian Boag
      
      a tsunami of evidence of vaccine harm accumulating behind a increasingly leaky dam with increasingly desperate officials’ fingers plugging holes.
      
      Come on kk, be a devil – share some of it. People who don’t really want to know can downtick me for being curious ….
      
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      February 28, 2022 7:36pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Ian, I will. Takes a few days to filter it all, but I’ll happily share.
        
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        February 28, 2022 9:59pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    A Te Awamutu boy… ….lived just around the corner. Must be retiring and need time in the sun before it all goes away…….
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:43pm
- kevn
  
  @Nuku…. He’s just trying to cover his bases.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:33am
- RightNow
  
  Also this…
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/18971/Doctor-in-penis-prank-revealed
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:34am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’d have a dose of it over a third/fourth/fifth dose of Cindy’s dubious potion. It seems to be the lesser of two evils.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:39am
- greybeard
  
  I heard that news item, and immediately thought it was just another scare tactic.
  Cardiologists have not had much previous input to the last 2 years’ CV-19 debate as far as I can recall.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    This blog post covers the phenomenon well.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-the-heart-of-the-matter-89b/comments?utm_source=url
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:22am
  - mawm
    
    Grey – Dr Peter McCullough is a cardiologist and he has been extensively involved – both in the treatment of and research into covid and the vaccines.
    
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    February 28, 2022 3:09pm
- Cinematic
  
  Given it seems unlikely anyone can avoid catching it I don’t know why he’d say this. Besides you can’t measure the long term effects of something that’s been around for 15 minutes.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s bullshit too, no other country has come anywhere near everyone getting it, also 3 jabbed people have a 40% chance of not getting it at all, do how can everyone get it
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:26am
    - Cinematic
      
      Just a question of how long. Saturation won’t be reached for a couple of years minimum.
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:44pm
    - mawm
      
      G – These bar graphs prove you wrong. They are from a senior UK Government scientist (who wants to remain anonymous). This has been a weekly review of the data put out by UKHSA that he does.
      
      https://dailysceptic.org/2022/02/26/covid-deaths-in-the-vaccinated-rise-while-those-in-the-unvaccinated-fall-ukhsa-data-show/
      
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      February 28, 2022 3:17pm
- Pavel
  
  We’ve been told, that unlike delta, omnicron doesn’t go into your lungs it sits in your throat and nose hence why it is alot less dangerous. So if it doesn’t go past your throat and doesn’t make it to your lungs how exactly does it get to your heart?
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Pavel haven’t you been following the mainstream media lately? Apparently everything puts your heart at risk. From shoveling snow, to a referee blowing his whistle. Astonishing. Luckily we have the msm valiantly trying to warn us about this. The good doctor is obviously just making sure we are getting the message.
    Of course, none of this increase in heart problems is remotely connected to the vax programme even though it fully coincides with that rollout. Just one of those weird anomalies.//
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-the-heart-of-the-matter-89b/comments?utm_source=url
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:19am
    - Pavel
      
      And the fact that the long covid symptoms are exactly the same as the “rare” side effects of the vaccine is also a coincidence. While only a small percentage of people experienced side effects from the initial vaccine is it possible that others will have side effects 6 to 12 to 18 months later? It’s can’t be the Vax, Pfizer said so, must be long covid.
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:53am
  - JohnRidd
    
    @Pavel. I think you make a very good point.
    
    My prediction is that myocarditis caused by the vaccine will be called long covid and blamed on the virus.
    
    I would like to know what proportion of genuine long covid patients have vitamin D serum levels above 40 ng/ml.
    
    I would expect people with adequate vitamin D levels to be less likely to have long covid.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:25am
    - Pavel
      
      Would be interesting to see how long covid effects the unvaccinated vs the vaccinated, maybe it is only the unvaxxed getting long covid, after all the Vax is safe, proven and effective and your worse off without it right?. One thing is for certain and that is if you are not vaxxed you have no chance of getting myocarditis or stroke causing blood clots from the vaccine, because you didn’t take it. If you’re unvaxxed does this increase your chances of getting long covid and experiencing the same effects as are known to be caused by the Vax?
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:05am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It will sit in the throat for 3 days, your immunity stops it from getting to the lungs, but people with low or no immunity can still get it to the lungs as they are compromised
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:30am
- backster
  
  How terrifying, Harvey White’s forecast is causing me to tremble tremble tremble…Isn’t it meant to.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:52am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Nuk it’s just another sycophant trying to prop up Ardern’s disintegrating narrative. Like a punch drunk boxer, out on their feet, Ardern doesn’t yet realise it’s over. Like watching a boxing bout like that, it’s almost sad to watch, pathetic being the operative word.
  It’s over. Stay down Cindy.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:55am
  - NK
    
    Yes, just more fear porn.
    
    Here’s the killer punchline:
    
    White hasn’t yet seen a surge in Covid-related heart disease at work, but he expects it’s imminent. A recent study in the US of 153,000 veterans found heart disease risk increased substantially in the year following an infection, even in mild cases.
    
    That could be due to secondary reasons like stress and people putting off medical care, but could also be directly due to Covid, White said.
    
    Hasn’t seen clinical evidence. No evidence it was the cause in the US. But say it nevertheless because it’s great headline.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:14am
    - rouppe
      
      Just about every headline about covid and climate change is peppered with “could” and “might”…
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:48am
- tf78
  
  Bill Gates is saddened by Omicron being better than the vaccine, go figure!
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:59am
  - Jim
    
    A so called humanitarian and philanthropist lol. Gates’ awkward demeanour hides a ruthless legal and business brilliance, but he’s certainly no saviour of humanity.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:44am
  - cmm
    
    I have a personal grievance with Bill Gates and Microsoft (who’s culture he basically built). They accused me of stealing their IP, then charged people using my software in Android some number of $ in licensing costs. Microsoft probably ended up making somewhere between $100M and $500M from my efforts – only slurring my name and me not getting a cent out of it. Thus it brings me some joy when I see the boot being put in.
    
    Still, having seen that interview, it is not that clear what Gates was trying to say.
    
    It was either:
    * He’s sad that Omicon is succeeding at something the vaccines failed to do. ie. He doesn’t like that the huge power play failed and was beaten by nature and the massive rivers of gold flowing into CV19 are going to end.
    – or –
    * He’s sad that the vaccine was not available worldwide to everyone within 6 months – thus meaning we relied on natural infection. ie. He was sad that the tech rollout failed.
    – or –
    * Maybe both. He has huge skin in the game and is a huge proponent of technology, so quite likely both.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:43am
    - tf78
      
      Don’t panic, he’s working on his next vaccine for his next plandemic so next time it won’t take so long to roll out. Give the man a b…….t.
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:53am
- Yvette
  
  Nukuleka
  A friend’s sister has ‘long’ covid – a medical aftermath of covid, long enough after initial infection to be termed ‘long’ covid – and it is apparently extremely debilitating. It also seems rather random.
  
  Vaccination and a booster does appear to reduce the seriousness of illness – reduced viral load that may infect another, less serious illness – so less likely that hospitalisation follows, or death – but it seems that, as yet, there is no reliable evidence that vaccines reduce long covid.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:00am
  - NK
    
    Evidence not required. Data not required. Clinical trials not required. Herald headline sufficient.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Is there evidence that the “long covid” is not in fact, an outcome of the vaccine? An adverse event?
    Evidence is emerging that the vaccine negatively effects the innate immune system. How can it be proven that it is “long covid”?
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:14pm
- MCōs
  
  If a mechanic said you need this or that done to your car you wouldn’t go to a cardiologist for a second opinion.
  Vice versa also applies in his speciality.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:05am
  - RightNow
    
    From experience one mechanic can diagnose your car as needing $2500 more work done than another mechanic.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If a mechanic said I’ve got some shit you should put in your engine that hasn’t been fully tested, that won’t actually do anything and that may even damage your engine, you’d almost certainly get a second opinion.
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:18pm
    - MCōs
      
      Not from a doctor.
      
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      February 28, 2022 5:55pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Why did 2000 more kiwis die during the period of the 2021 vaccination program for over 60’s than during the same period in 2020? During both periods there were almost no respiratory diseases circulating (and no covid). An almost identical pattern in Australia too. I would be happy if there was a benign science based explanation for why the very strong temporal correlation between these extra deaths and the covid vaccination program was just a coincidence and not causal, but almost no-one seems to be even aware that it happened and I have heard no commentary from medical establishment on it (and I have been looking). 2000 = 1 in 500 over 60’s
  https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess mortality (%)&Interval=Weekly&Relative to Population=true&Color by test positivity=false&country=AUS~NZL
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  The heart disease risk relates to the spike. These are produced in the hundreds of millions (if not billions) with each mRNA jab. As we now know, these don’t stay at the injection site but rather head off to accumulate in different organs, the heart and liver particularly. But also ovaries and some nasty leakage across the blood-brain barrier which is the source of a range of neurological conditions. A SARS-CoV-2 infection also generates these spikes, which is why heart damage can occur as part of Covid-19 illness. Illnesses such as myocarditis are quite rare in the general population, uncommon in those who have recovered from Covid-19, but more common as a result of vaccination. Honest researchers are still trying to understand why, while the captured/dishonest continue to keep their heads in the sand. There’s a good analysis of booster performance (Israel) against a control group (Gaza) here. Btw, what people really really want to avoid is having a jab and then getting Covid-19 soon thereafter. Your body works pretty hard to deal with those cytotoxic spike proteins, but a double whammy of the jab followed by an infection is pretty bad. My daughter can attest to that.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:27am
  - NK
    
    “A Tsunami of Long Covid” – great headline to scare the masses though.
    
    I know a 25yr old man who has long Covid caused by the jab.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:30am
    - mawm
      
      NK – is it long covid, or is it myocarditis or multiple small clots that have lodged in the brain or other organs? His symptoms might give one a clue.
      
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      February 28, 2022 5:36pm
  - mawm
    
    kk – there is a period of immune compromise following the first jab. There are charts that demonstrate a rise in infection rate for the the first 21 days following the jab and even more worrying is that just under 50% of deaths that occur in the singly jabbed happen during this period – and are always counted as unjabbed deaths. It’s almost as if they new this was the case and thus allocated them to the unvaxxed to make things look worse for them.
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:34pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes, you are correct. Most countries use a 14-day post-vax period before conferring the new vax status. For statistics wonks (which I am not) this is something of a Bayesian data crime as it hides one cohort within another.
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:04pm
- cmm
  
  Just about any disease/infeaction can put a strain on your heart (and other organs).
  
  Get a tooth infection and it can cause long term heart damage.
  
  “Long Covid” is really just a marketing term to make CV19 seem more dangerous. The reality is that pretty much any disease has the potential to cause long term complications.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:32am
- mawm
  
  Nukuleka – does he have any evidence to back up his claim?
  
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  February 28, 2022 3:04pm
Frank the tank

On a day-on, day-off roster due to Wokebola and watched our dear leader on three live for the first time. Is it just me or does Supreme Leader look frazzled and haggard? Forced smiles and frantic arm waving of course but the eyes looked nervous to the point of breakdown.

I am concerned we are going to have a mental breakdown very soon which, regardless of your politics is not a good look. 3 went soft and put Chan Green on the interview – Bridge would have been too much for her this morning.

Very concerning.
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February 28, 2022 8:25am
- alex Masterley
  
  Frank, I think she may have a bit on at the moment. People not being kind, her announcements backfiring, that sort of thing…
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do you think that after 2 years of being told to be kind, some of us have stopped listening?
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:34am
    - rouppe
      
      I think it’s a case of after 2 years of being told to be kind, and then observing the source of those words being nasty and dismissive, some of us are not putting up with the bullshit being sold as “kindness”
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:53am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She deserves every single bit of it. I know what she has done to myself, my family and many, many friends. Willful and enormous, economic, mental and physical abuse. We are only a tiny proportion of those damaged. She did all of this deliberately, it was not an accident. Because she wanted to “win”.
  The harm she has done is extraordinary. A terrible person and the worst PM in NZ history.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:08am
  - NK
    
    It’s just beyond her. She doesn’t have the ability nor the brains to handle it.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Plus the harm from dozens of other policies that are being developed. COVID is a brilliant cover for Shaw, Mahuta, and Little. Their crazy policies would otherwise have come under more scrutiny.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:32am
  - bronny1
    
    +1000
    
    What I have found interesting is the general loathing of her, I don’t believe there has been a politician in my lifetime who has attracted anything like this level of hatred from a large chunk of the population. Sure there are her luvvies and the group that think she’s doing a good job. But then there is hatred.
    
    I disliked Helen Clark immensely, I hated her politics, but I realise I had some respect for her, at least she had a working brain and a spine.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:38am
    - Jim
      
      Interesting. True leaders bring people together. Do you think HC was a true kiwi patriot? Or perhaps a sell out for the UN globalist utopia?
      Judging by the openly divisive actions (undermining state sovereignty and nationhood) by our current PM, IMHO Ardern will also leave NZ soon for her selected (multinational corporate sponsored) globalist appointment to help us all to ‘reimagine the post covid world’
      
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      February 28, 2022 11:02am
      - tf78
        
        I think they may realize she’s not up to the job and has failed on her mission. She could be back in the fish ‘n chip shop or teaching kindergarten, which would suit her well. (Wouldn’t want her teaching anyone I know though)
        
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        February 28, 2022 3:45pm
- The Boss
  
  Why was she not asked about the illegal mandates? (Police and Defence)
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:37am
- curry4me
  
  Was there a BBQ in Auckland on Saturday? Who hosted it? Was it Hipkins, or Robertson? Did they both host one for different factions? Will it be Hipkins, or Robertson? Based on previous replacements, it could be Robertson. Just think Norm Kirk, and David Lange. Both at least XOS. Could it be Mahuta?
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:00am
Biscuit

NEWSFLASH

22 penalties in the shootout that was needed in the just-completed English Football League Cup Final…

The Chelsea goalkeeper missed Shot No. 22.

POOL WIN!

I shall now go serenade the cat with some ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’…
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February 28, 2022 8:30am
- All_on_Red
  
  Congratulations
  Wouldn’t it save everyone a lot of time by just tossing a coin?
  Just a thought
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:34am
  - Biscuit
    
    Hush there!
    
    I am so happy – Chelsea ARE the reigning European and World Club champions after all – that, you know, I think I will refrain from saying anything nasty about the Labour Government for the day!
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:38am
    - RalphT
      
      Fair enough; there’ll be plenty of other opportunities to comment on this dreadful Labour government.
      
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      February 28, 2022 8:47am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yes, well done
      But lets not be silly and use that as an excuse to give Labour a break.
      The incompetent liars deserve all the opprobrium they get
      So pile on!
      
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      February 28, 2022 8:50am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Or taking the penalties at the start of the game?
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:03am
    - Cinematic
      
      Heh, I reach for the remote as soon as a game heads to penalties. Theatre for sure but not a version of football that interests me.
      
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      February 28, 2022 9:33am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Outstanding game, I’ve watched the round ball game for over 50 years. Possibly the best 120 minute 0-0 I’ve ever witnessed. The penalty shootout matched the game.
  The decision to sub off Mendy for Kepa for the penalty shootout will be discussed hard out for a few weeks. Mendy had a superb game.
  YNWA.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:58am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Couldnt see the reason for bringing the guy on. Mendy is a superb keeper.
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:07am
- plc
  
  And after the disruption of losing Thiago 5 minutes before the game.
  
  Excellent game….hard to believe it ended 0-0
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:11am
- pdm
  
  Bloody hell – this afternoons Super Rugby diatribe is going to be painful reading.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:12am
  - Biscuit
    
    pdm, I am thinking a six-page picture-laden ‘AIN’T LIVERPOOL WONDERFUL?’ edition BEFORE I get onto the Super Rugby might suffice!
    
    A bad weekend for you, heh – a brilliant Canes win AND a brilliant Pool triumph.
    
    (Mind, ALL Pool triumphs are brilliant, right?)
    
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    February 28, 2022 9:17am
- Diogenes
  
  I am not an avid soccer fan, but I have long thought the penalty shoot-out a terrible way to decide a match. Here is my suggestion for a more equitable way:
  Have 5 minutes of extra time. If after that, no-one has scored a golden goal, the two goalies leave the field. Play another five minutes. If no goal is then scored, each team nominates a second player to leave the field. Rinse and repeat. As the player numbers decrease, I can guarantee it would not be long before a winning goal is scored, with the best team (rather than just the best goalie or shooter) the victor.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:34am
In Vino Veritas

Hard left Axios reports that “Under new chief Chris Licht, CNN will dial down the prime-time partisanship and double down on the network’s news-gathering muscle, according to Discovery CEO David Zaslav, who’s taking over CNN.”
Now many of you have already figured out that CNN has been a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party, but here it is coming straight from the horses mouth. Cuomo, Stelter, Bash, Blitzer et al who all tried to convince the few watchers they had, that they were unbiased truth tellers. Well hold the phone folks, new CEO says you were in actual fact, partisan!! Who would have thought?
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February 28, 2022 8:40am
Rusty

The Ukraine are fighting for their country even civilians including teenagers are arming themselves to fight — many of them are probably going to die.

Here in NZ we have over half the population in a state of fear over a flu bug because they think they will get sick and die.

Somethings not right here.
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February 28, 2022 8:45am
- plc
  
  Our youth will only person the barricades in the fight against climate extinction
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:13am
  - Jim
    
    Let’s also not forget that hurty words are violence.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:05am
  - Ehlana
    
    I think you mean “Our youth will cut school to sunbathe and hang out with friends in the fight against climate extinction. “
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:17am
- mandk
  
  It’s because we have politicians like Golriz G posting comments about how she is most concerned about how the LBGTXYZ people in Ukraine are going to be treated.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:15am
  - alex Masterley
    
    They will be treated by each of them being given an AK variant, and being told to go to the front and shoot Russians.
    
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    February 28, 2022 7:44pm
- MCōs
  
  I would suggest before Russia invaded covid-19 was a big deal in Ukraine too.
  After all they have experienced over one hundred thousand covid deaths.
  BTW
  It’s Ukraine not The Ukraine. The latter was used to indicate part of the USSR. Sort of like a province.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:22am
  - Jim
    
    Here’s an independent journalist’s most interesting account of real world life and Ukrainian peoples attitudes to Russia, as he travelled by public transport from Poland to the Ukrainian border with Russia just before the invasion started. Well worth the 18 minute watch, and quite humbling too.
    https://youtu.be/f2rBUvWKSZw
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:10am
Souvlaki

Q : Are those pushing He Puapua to the hilt, exactly analogous to Putins Oligarchs…but on a downscale size for NZ.?
Discuss .
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February 28, 2022 8:48am
- All_on_Red
  
  Both are greedy authoritarians doing it for the money?
  I suspect the Oligarchs are smarter though
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:56am
- Yvette
  
  Souviaki
  Whether the Russia / Ukraine conflict is to stop the latter joining NATO, rebuilding the collapsed Soviet Union, or a deeper Russian “Christian” purity of race motivation more akin to Hitler’s Germany, the present action is about centring power in Putin.
  
  He Puapua seems to be about co-governance.
  But why would Ardern do that – if power has corrupted, or socialist control was always her desire?
  Her actual actions so far are to “kick the can down the road” where she can.
  You need to figure out her end game, if she yet has one.
  
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  February 28, 2022 9:14am
Simon

Lots of chatter of the alliance between Russia & China out playing the clowns running the West. Will see. Certainly Russia & China could clean up the West given the garbage running the West now.

But if this is the case at least NZ is well placed to be coming a vassal state of China with the cowards in Wellington who have time and time again prostrated themselves before the CCP.
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February 28, 2022 8:50am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Man’s inhumanity to man never fails to shock me.
War seems sooo horrible. Lets hope both sides abide by the Geneva Convention.
I found this vid really disturbing….and the vast majority of comments agree.

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1497663688232386567
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February 28, 2022 8:58am
cas

Watched Jacinda’s interview with Simon Shepherd on TV 3 last night. Boy whatever it was she was on I want some too. Fast responses, eyes rolling up to the ceiling at one stage, arms flashing.
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February 28, 2022 8:59am
Lee C

Canada – Like a mirror-image of New Zealand – only bigger..
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1466202327110031
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February 28, 2022 9:05am
mandk

Stuff, Newshub and NZH were all breathlessly reporting yesterday evening that the protesters were putting human waste – wait for it – STRAIGHT INTO THE WASTE WATER SYSTEM!

Where do these morons think their poo, wee and vomit goes?
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February 28, 2022 9:10am
- curry4me
  
  Beats putting on out TV screens.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:06am
DRHILL

I see Australia is going to be accepting refugees from Ukraine – any word from our government if they are doing the same?
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February 28, 2022 9:36am
- Nickc2
  
  I believe so. Cindy wouldn’t let a chance like that go by that will get her mentioned in Worldwide Headlines.
  
  Don’t forget, she’s already said to the Aust PM that she will take what she calls refugees from Nauru and Manus Island.
  FWIW, they are ‘Attempted Illegal Immigrants’ and that’s why Aust is keeping them in Off-Shore Detention.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:55am
- ClanMcleod
  
  A few of the Azov Battalion would fit in well with the imports from Australia. “Kind and caring”.
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:27pm
Yvette

But Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield said on Friday he had told the Government New Zealand’s border rules were at odds with community isolation requirements.

When asked about Dr Bloomfield’s advice, Ardern said: “The Director-General of Health, I’m sure, would acknowledge that the advice we’re speaking to is the advice coming from Professor David Skegg and the [COVID Public Health] Advisory Group.”

“We moved very quickly to get our experts together and, just to say again, the advice we received was yesterday afternoon – late,” Ardern said on Monday. “We’ve moved very quickly to be able to consider that as a Cabinet today.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/covid-19-cabinet-only-received-self-isolation-advice-on-sunday-afternoon-jacinda-ardern.html

This seems important, if you can figure out the implications.
Also Ashley Bloomfield has common sense on his side. That gives him Checkmate, if he is playing games
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February 28, 2022 9:36am
- oldfella
  
  Checkmate? Isn’t Putin a chess whizz (as are/were most KGB officers)? Maybe that’s who Bloomfield should be talking to. //s
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:49am
  - cmm
    
    Cindy can probably give him a go with tiddlywinks.
    
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    February 28, 2022 12:20pm
    - Jim
      
      More likely something simpler like Trudeau Snap!
      
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      February 28, 2022 4:21pm
I remember when

NY Times: 20/2/22: The CDC Isn’t Publishing Large Portions of the Covid Data It Collects.
* The agency has withheld critical data on boosters, hospitalisation and, until recently, wastewater analyses.
* When CDC published first significant data on booster effectiveness in adults under 65 two weeks ago, it left out the numbers for the 18-49 year-olds.
The pandemic exposed the data systems at CDC, and at state levels, as outmoded and not up to handling large volumes of data.
* “The CDC is a political organisation.*
* According to a political official familiar with the effort, “The agency has been reluctant because they might be misinterpreted as the vaccines are ineffective.”
* It is also diffficult to find CDC data for hospitalised children with covid who have other medical conditions.
* The pediatrics academy only got the answer from a December NY Times article “On the contagiousness of an infected person 5 days after infection begins” despite the CDC knowing for over a year and a half.
How do “conspiracy theories” ever gain traction?
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February 28, 2022 9:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

John Tamihere provides a summary of some of the RATs saga

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300527113/ministry-of-healths-handling-of-rats-demands-an-inquiry
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February 28, 2022 9:41am
Maggie Pie

I see where Trevor has instructed the ‘Ukrainian Flag’ be flown from the Beehive today.

That should help.
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February 28, 2022 9:44am
- Jim
  
  Maybe Mallard’s advice might (for once) be useful if he were to inform Volodymyr Zelenskyy
  (President of Ukraine) NOT to use sprinklers and play Barry Manilow’s Macarena at the Russian border.
  
  Yay, here it is again for anyone who likes a good satirical giggle:
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/yDFwo0A9TzME/
  
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  February 28, 2022 4:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like someone has been busy writing Today’s Cabinet release about ending MIQ….

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/covid-19-cabinet-only-received-self-isolation-advice-on-sunday-afternoon-jacinda-ardern.html
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February 28, 2022 9:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  When Putin finds out Trev is on his case he’ll surrender instantly. The flag is bad enough, but the thought of those water sprinklers and the Baby Shark song on continuous loop would be too much for any normal human being. I feel sorry for Vlad.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:14am
Rich Prick

Can anyone translate this gibberish?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/127904988/iwi-take-unprecedented-stand-against-abusive-protesters-who-invaded-marae

When the media does this it bastardises both languages.
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February 28, 2022 9:53am
- bjools
  
  Also, more accusations without evidence.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  RP it’s a horrendous article. I read the first paragraph, vacuous and pretentious word salad.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Translation:
  *The protestors aren’t abiding by parliament’s conventions (p.13 & 14)
  https://www.parliament.nz/media/4008/11-ch-11-the-chamber-buildings-and-grounds.pdf
  
  *The protestors didn’t obey the cops
  *The protestors weren’t bothered by the Speaker’s antics
  
  Perhaps the protestors will abide by some form of Maori protocol.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:24am
  - mandk
    
    I had an interesting conversation yesterday with two wahine Maori.
    
    The conversation turned to the subject of the Bill of Rights, and I asked them how it ranked relative to the Treaty in their view.
    
    At that point they went off big time, but not in the way I expected. They thought that the importance of the Treaty was overblown, and that it was misused.
    
    They referred to the well-known Maori proverb (whakatauki) He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. And they were adamant that he tangata was all New Zealanders equally.
    
    The proverb does not say He tangata whenua, nor does it say He iwi, and nor does it say He hapu. There is just one people.
    
    What matters above all is kotahitanga (unity).
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:56am
- alex Masterley
  
  Badly stirred word soup!
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:42am
- 3-coil
  
  Rich Prick – what do you expect? This article was “written” (dribbled?) by the permanently aggrieved angry mixed-race Glenn MacConnell. His track record as a race-baiting huckster is unrivalled. Why the f**k Stuff keep using him is the bigger question – they have a self-confessed long history of racist reporting, so I suppose it’s just out of habit.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Glenn MacConnell.
    
    Just another cuzzie of the Macdonald whanau.
    https://www.kinlochanderson.com/tartan/macconnell
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:24am
  - graham
    
    Ah, Glenn McConnell. I haven’t read the article, but as soon as you mention that name all the comments here just click into place.
    
    Sadly, as you say, he has always seemed to me to be permanently aggrieved, angry, and basically a sulky teenager with a massive chip on his shoulder. I remember thinking some years ago, after reading several of his articles in an attempt to give him a fair appraisal, hopefully one day he’ll grow up and mature. Doesn’t sound like that day has arrived yet …
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:02pm
  - Jack5
    
    Can you imagine McConnell cast as boy reporter Tintin in a Woke film version of The Adventures of Tintin?
    
    The New Zealand Film Commission would fall over itself to finance it.
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:02pm
- RightNow
  
  Glenn McConnell, intrepid boy reporter.
  He has a great future in the mainly socialist media.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:11am
kevn

@Maggy… Amazing timing.
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February 28, 2022 9:53am
curry4me

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1036738276889287/?multi_permalinks=1058565304706584&notif_id=1645514678538534&notif_t=group_highlights&ref=notif

Drone shot of the FR Protest in Auckland on Saturday.
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February 28, 2022 10:17am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3QLpiZ2EqM

Russia Invades Ukraine, Taiwan Is Watching.

As Russia invades Ukraine, Taiwan is watching how Ukraine fares. That’s because it’s in a similar position in relation to China. China is using laser warfare against other countries’ planes, and Australia is in its crosshairs. A Taiwanese athlete competing in the Olympics was photographed mysteriously wearing a CCP uniform. Watch this episode of China Uncensored for that and more of this week’s China news headlines. [12:45]
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February 28, 2022 10:17am
Master Mariner

An interesting article about renewables in Europe. Well worth a read and equally relates to our Covid response.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Biggest-Problem-With-The-Green-Energy-Revolution.html

“[7] Conclusion. Modelers and leaders everywhere have had a basic misunderstanding of how the economy operates and what limits we are up against. This misunderstanding has allowed scientists to put together models that are far from the situation we are actually facing.”

This equally applies to COVID response and why we should follow a Pandemic Plan.

A good leader will weigh up all parameters for the best response instead of hiding behind ” The Science”.

Which is short for I have No Idea.
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February 28, 2022 10:36am
- Jack5
  
  This is an excellent article – thank you, Captain.
  
  It’s particularly apposite with:
  
  – Rising shipping costs bound to make more expensive the coal we import from Indonesia after closing most of our own coal mines. (Coal imports are about a million tons a year.)
  
  – Ardern torpedoing our development of local gas resources, and development of our own oil resources, too.
  
  – Often touted geothermal sources for generating electricity as subject to change and uncertainty as hydro power’s water storage.
  
  – We are too green and timid for nuclear power generation, and perhaps overly wary of the dangers from, first, NZ’s susceptibility to earthquakes and tidal waves, and second, from the fact that the biggest power market, Auckland, sits on a field of 50 or more volcanoes.
  
  – When diving international coal prices led to the demise of State-owned Solid Energy, the National Government threw out with the bath water the firm’s R. and D. baby of harvesting natural gas in our big coal reserves.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:27am
  - Jack5
    
    Kiwiblog’s maritime posters, including Master Mariner, have done good work keeping us up to date with the devastation of shipping by Covid.
    
    Now, Reuters reports the Suez Canal Authority’s lifting fees 10 per cent.
    
    I couldn’t work out from the canal web site the range it might cost typical reefer vessels, of the type that carry NZ food exports, but I did notice the currencies the canal authority accepts: US dollars, pounds sterling, euros, yen, Canadian dollars, Swedish krona, Danish krone, Norwegian krone, Swiss francs, Chinese yuan.
    
    Aussie and kiwi dollars (and roubles) aren’t on the list.
    
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    February 28, 2022 4:04pm
Yvette

Cabinet only received self-isolation advice on Sunday afternoon – Jacinda Ardern

Why does Jacinda and her Cabinet have to depend on external advice, or need to wait for that, when simple logic and common sense should inform their decisions?
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February 28, 2022 10:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Because our dear PM always needs someone else to blame for her uselessness.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:29am
  - Jim
    
    Yep government has simply subcontracted its accountability…”we were following the science” (except when it was proven you disregarded it, without demonstrating why)
    
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    February 28, 2022 4:40pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Exactly.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:40am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Well Yvette, Ardern by herself and Cabinet jointly with her, have made decisions in the past that have been wrong. In fact, it’s difficult to remember one that they have done without any advice that they got right. Though no one should be surprised by this. When you have absolutely no idea what you are doing and how to do pretty much anything, you will invariably get it wrong.
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:28pm
- bjools
  
  It wasn’t written on the back of the fish and chip paper.
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:31pm
- Ehlana
  
  Jacinda and her Cabinet don’t have simple logic or common sense Yvette. That’s why they can’t use it.
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:17pm
curry4me

There’s zero chance of Labour lite doing that. It’d require a backbone. Don’t bet the farm on the ‘freedom party’ doing it either. They’ve swapped theirs for a vaccine, mask, and some digital papers.
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February 28, 2022 10:48am
Black with a Vengeance

NATO should take the opportunity to INVADE BELARUS!!!

Force Russia to fight on 2 fronts and remove any threat of Lukashenko becoming Europe’s little Rocketman.
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February 28, 2022 10:54am
- bjools
  
  Just up ticked, for the sarcasm.
  For tactical nous…..not so much.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:03am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Lukashenko has just agreed to stash russian nukes in Belarus.
    
    Cuban missile crisis anyone?
    
    Perhaps a black ops hit squad or targeted drone could save the day simply by erasing him…
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:19am
    - bjools
      
      This not a movie.
      
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      February 28, 2022 12:30pm
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  If NATO is serious about projecting strength and democracy, then roll the tanks into Belarus!!!
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:03am
  - bjools
    
    and expand the conflict, killing more people.Caring not in your wheelhouse.
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:19am
  - Jack5
    
    Oa mai le ataeao, ?BWAV.
    
    Have look at this source of comparative military strengths before you send the tanks in.
    
    https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php
    
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    February 28, 2022 11:33am
- marcw
  
  NATO doesn’t do invasions, in spite of Putin’s pretence. It is a defensive military alliance.
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:34am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    And how’s that working out ?
    
    So NATO waits til the little tin pot puppet dictator has nukes and decides to clear a path through Lithuania to Kalingrad for the dead piggy eyed Russian midget and then do something ?
    
    Sometimes, offense is the best form of defense.
    
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    February 28, 2022 12:14pm
  - mawm
    
    marcw – unless they are bombing Belgrade, of course.
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:59pm
Maggie Pie

Why on earth would Kerry Woodham believe for one moment, that the VAST majority of ZB’s listening audience, would have any interest whatsoever in hearing about the trials & tribulations of recovering Meth addicts?

SHEESH…..Give me a f—ing break!!
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February 28, 2022 10:58am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the government media funding works in strange ways.
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:01pm
I remember when

Kapiti Observer: DOC failure behind estuary ‘sinkhole’:
Conservationist Chris Turver believes the Waikanae estuary is becoming a ‘sinkhole’ because DOC will not allow GWRC to maintain the river’s free flow into the sea.
Interestingly, a letter in the Gisborne Herald suggests a similiar type of problem there.
Turver believes it has lead to –
* Huge shingle banks in the lower river.
* Rising river level scouring banks and destroying marine habitat.
* Increasing residential flooding risk.
* Blocking navigation for even small vessels.
* Throttling movement of marine life.
* Trapping sediment and pollution in an extended estuary and creating the sinkhole effect.
The trapping of sediment, and its treatment, seems to be a problem throughout New Zealand.
It has recently been mentioned in relation to Westport flooding and low South Island skein river flows.
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February 28, 2022 10:59am
bjools

I see that our media has missed it again.
They are saying that sanctions on Russia,will effect their energy exports, but the White House is saying, that the sanctions are specifically designed NOT to.

Russia’s biggest export is fossil fuels, including to the USA……so
Biden has made them dependent on foreign oil again, after they worked so hard to be independent.
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February 28, 2022 10:59am
bjools

I see that Germany are increasing their defense spending.
It only took a war.
Maybe they are wishing they listened to Trump 3 years ago.
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February 28, 2022 11:01am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I doubt it. I reckon they’re wishing Angela was still running things proper.
  
  Trump is a moron who should never be listened to!
  
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  February 28, 2022 11:16am
  - bjools
    
    If he is a moron….then he is a moron that has been right on everything of consequence.
    
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    February 28, 2022 12:27pm
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      …like his taxes, support of white nationalists and winning the election ?
      
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      February 28, 2022 1:57pm
oldfella

Over at the Daily Blog, Martyn Bradbury has some strong criticism of Govt subsidized journalism and the need to ‘toe the party line if you want the money’ which is what’s happening.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/02/23/mediawatch-sean-plunket-vs-duncan-grieve-in-nz-on-air-smack-down/
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February 28, 2022 11:16am
Maggie Pie

WAYCIST reporting from the BBC on war in Ukraine 🙁

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1497974245737050120
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February 28, 2022 11:50am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Hahah. Need to choose words a bit more carefully.
  It has some linkage into our PM shallow thinking that this is the first real war in her generation’s time.
  That is, it is European and 1st world conflict, rather than happening in some Shitholistan.
  So it matters this time.
  Syria, Yemen are all very nasty conflicts which are very recent – hell, even Golly Gee was defending genocidal personalities from African conflicts not too long ago…
  It is just like a bomb matters more when it goes off in Paris, rather than Faluga.
  I personally don’t have a problem with in-group bias around interest in current events, but we have to be aware that the greater share of bloodshed and horror tends to be in the developing world and middle east.
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

In January PM Ardern said RATs would be free for the community

The Prime Minister said rapid testing would be free for the community, and there would be more details released next week on how they would be distributed.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/20/rapid-covid-tests-will-be-widely-available-in-nz-ardern/

Now it appears, they will cost us $6.60/test

Shoppers would be able to buy a five-pack for $32.99, which is $6.60 per test.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-rats-to-hit-supermarket-shelves-next-week-isolation-rules-for-returning-kiwis-tipped-to-change/Q2B34NACHJEINQAMPTSIRR6W3I/

Once again Jacinda Ardern has lied to the NZ Public.
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February 28, 2022 12:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And again here…
  
  Ardern said she wants to “make sure that every New Zealander who needs a test can access a test for free”.
  
  “I’ve taken lessons from what I’ve seen overseas and in some places those who can pay are the ones who access tests. We don’t want that in New Zealand.”
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/01/omicron-government-planned-to-have-covid-19-rapid-antigen-tests-for-sale-weeks-ago.html
  
  Does she really think poor folks in NZ are going to shell out $6.60 every time they need to visit an elderly relative or health-impaired friend?
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:06pm
  - Jim
    
    Ardern didn’t literally mean everyone, just ‘certain everyone’.
    Come on pay attention ?
    
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    February 28, 2022 4:43pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Free if you get them from the Government.
  
  $6.60 if you get them from a reputable organisation.
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:09pm
- cmm
  
  They will perhaps also be “free”, like condoms which can be bought (non-free) from supermarkets etc or “free” via various state funded NGOs.
  
  Of course the mechanisms probably are not in place yet and the supplies via the “free” service will likely be limited.
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:34pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  and the public don’t know that they are being lied to because they have drank too much Jacinda kool aid. No wonder they deserve the title sheeple.
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:41pm
- krazykiwi
  
  When she claimed they would be free the wholesale price was circa $18/test for 1000 unit orders.
  
  It’s now less than half that as European distributers try to clear stock so as to not be left holding unsalable items as demand dampens.
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Does our PM support eugenics?

“The Prime Minister needs to explain why Kiwis in Australia are biologically different from Kiwis in, say, California. Why are Aussies in Australia biologically different from Kiwis in Australia? Why are we making these odd distinctions?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2202/S00202/isolation-rules-make-no-sense.htm
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February 28, 2022 12:09pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Kiwis in California are rich pricks Maggy. Moving on….
  
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  February 28, 2022 12:39pm
Surely Knott

United we stand is the group that led the police mandate court case, and now they are going to confront the government about the vax passport, If mandates are dropped then they are taking them to court on vax passports next.
Details and donations to unitedwestand.nz
Matt King has a sit down with Gavin of United we stand to discuss the legal challenges to date.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=notif&v=971211357145742&notif_id=1645998811947780&notif_t=live_video_explicit
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February 28, 2022 12:18pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

If anybody wants to know how the $55M bribe is working or bring out the contents of their stomach before lunch, read this crap from ODT. If you end up in hospital, I am not responsible.

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/who-wants-be-pm
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February 28, 2022 12:39pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Urgh. Paraphrase: She has saved so many lives. She needs our thanks and praise.
  
  What ‘saved lots of lives’ means is that the projected deaths from certain models didn’t occur, therefore it is all credit to Jacinda.
  Mistaking correlation with causation.
  
  Not observing that we are an island in the south pacific, and that the borders were essentially closed, and restrictions endured by all of us.
  I think the bulk of the Covid response is only marginally better than they had for the plague 500 years ago…..=Lift the drawbridge/close the city.
  
  Matters like the vaccine roll out are very mixed in terms of how much of a ‘success’ it might be seen to be. Ditto for RATs and PCR testing in application. Did it help, or was it needed? Yes. Could it have been much better? Yes.
  
  “Isn’t she lovely”.
  Not really the best sort of leadership critique by an editor with the benefit of hindsight.
  Surely people should be able to see what counted in our favour, what went well and what didn’t go so well.
  No need to pretend she or her response is perfect, and therefore should be shielded on moral grounds from criticism or protest.
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:57pm
- Gravelroad
  
  It is a shame to see a once sensible newspaper descend into publishing nameless drivel masquerading as an editorial.
  Emotional rather than professional – just like Ms Ardern.
  
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  February 28, 2022 6:12pm
bythesea

Great article by Karl du Fresne hosted on the opinion page of The Platform
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/why-the-woke-left-is-so-rattled-by-camp-freedom

a couple of great paragraphs
“What we can infer from this barrage of anti-Camp Freedom propaganda is that the woke Left is terrified of losing the initiative in the culture wars. It’s desperate to reclaim its sole right to lecture the rest of us and wants to do so without the distraction of an unruly mob that has the effrontery to adopt the Left’s own tactics.

The irony here is that having spent most of their lives kicking against the establishment, the wokeists are the establishment. They have won the big ideological wars and are on the same side as all the institutions of power and influence: the government, the bureaucracy, the media, academia, the arts and even the craven business sector.”

spot on
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February 28, 2022 12:42pm
Hugh Jarse

Is Ryan Bridge not allowed to ask the PM questions now ?, I may have missed it but it seems like two weeks in a row it’s been all Melissa ?
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February 28, 2022 12:47pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

ClarkE comes out in support of the brave people of Ukraine who have ‘TAKEN UP ARMS’ to defend their Homeland against the senseless immoral invasion of a Communist Dictatorship.

Would New Zealanders do the same……oh wait,
his Fiancee confiscated them all.

https://twitter.com/NZClarke/status/1498071693482655744
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February 28, 2022 12:50pm
- Gravelroad
  
  So glad to see Clarke’s announcement that “We stand with Ukraine during this senseless immoral invasion”.
  You’d almost think that Clarke is the real Prime Minister.
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:12pm
  - NK
    
    He used the contraction “it’s” to describe the possessive pronoun “its”.
    
    #EnglishFail
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:53pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the comments are to the point, are they not? He should have remained mute.
  
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  February 28, 2022 2:20pm
Tauhei Notts

The devil is in the detail.
I note that the Ardern junta have increased the Family Credit Abatement rate from 25% to 27%. It has progressively risen from 20% some years ago to the 27%. I think that is unjust on young families.
I note that the Family Credit Abatement threshold is merely $42,700 whereas a person on the minimum wage working 40 hours per week would earn $44,928.
I doubt whether this present junta could give a tuppenny stuff about the plight of low income earners.
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February 28, 2022 1:00pm
cmm

Would people in NZ do this? I have a hard time believing they would.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/photos-ukraine-citizen-soldiers-train-to-repel-russian-troops/TF3MYLZNLRJNXBZ7JIDSFJXELQ/
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February 28, 2022 1:03pm
- westernScientest
  
  Our pink haired city dwellers will welcome their new CCP overlords. I can see a most rural communities doing it though.
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:36pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Where’s Cindy going to house all these refugees, not to mention the Illegal Immigrants she’s taking from Aust?
    Oh, that’s right, Megan Woods will put her hand up to build/buy another 100,000 houses before they arrive.
    Note: There’s no mention of an arrival date.
    
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    February 28, 2022 1:48pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I think there are a lot of capable, honest people around who would be willing and able to defend their country here.
  Just a shame so many of them complied with the Labour Party demands to hand in their legally held firearms.
  Maybe buy them back from the gangs now?
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:41pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, our wee darlings would insist on wearing face masks before preparing to fight. And yes, Worksafe would become Warsafe.
  
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  February 28, 2022 2:17pm
- Jim
  
  Funny answer: That second image is just BoJo’s cabinet putting out the empties from a work meeting.
  
  Serious answer: sadly it’s most unlikely that NZ citizens today would unite to actually fight (to the death) for their country. Especially with a globalist shill in charge that is undermining our democracy and sense of common nationhood.
  To really ‘fight’ people need a true leader with integrity, who enhances social cohesion and instills a sense of pride in common identity.
  
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  February 28, 2022 4:51pm
Fisiani2

Thanks for your email, and we are working with our NZ importer of Russian Vodka regarding this situation.

Medoff Vodka is Ukranian, so purchase that if you’d like to show your support that way!

My reply from Liquorland to support Ukraine. Boycott Russia
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February 28, 2022 1:08pm
- Inandout
  
  Fis, Medhoff is a good drop but the name is so close to (Bernie) Madoff.
  
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  February 28, 2022 2:42pm
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  Thanks for your enquiry about Super Liquor’s position on removing Russian products from sale. We are in discussions with our suppliers and distributors on these products and the stocking of them in the foreseeable future.
  
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  February 28, 2022 3:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New Element Found.
A major research institution has recently announced the discovery of the heaviest chemical yet known to science. This new element has been tentatively named ‘Governmentium”
Governmentium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.
These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.
Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact.
A tiny amount of Governmentium causes one reaction to take over 4 days to complete when it would normally take less than a second. Governmentium has a normal half-life of 5 years; it does not decay but instead, it undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.
In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.
This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to speculate that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration.
This hypocritical quantity is referred to as ‘Critical Morass’. You will know it when you see it.
When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element which radiates just as much energy since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.
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February 28, 2022 1:17pm
- surfing
  
  Where did you copy/paste that from?
  
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  February 28, 2022 1:47pm
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    FB
    
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    March 1, 2022 7:42am
- Jim
  
  Gold!??
  
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  February 28, 2022 4:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Dear PM is trying to distance herself from the coming Covid disaster news.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300528334/covid19-the-1pm-news-conferences-are-making-a-return-for-omicron

She’s lined up a list of suckas to take the flack.
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February 28, 2022 1:37pm
- Biscuit
  
  My thinking too, Maggy…
  
  Mind, there must be at a LEAST a dozen kindergartens she hasn’t visited yet to show she’s ‘a person of the people’!
  
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  February 28, 2022 2:38pm
  - curry4me
    
    What are the odds of Stalinda being made unwelcome by the students if she visited a highschool where they have to wear masks all day? Has she been to any? Or does she only do kindergartens, and gradeschools?
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:01pm
- Jim
  
  The narrative has certainly lost momentum since the Xmas break. Even the die hard triple vax, double masked, super scanning Covid acolytes are questioning where has the government pulpit of fear gone?
  
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  March 1, 2022 7:59am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW

What don’t you understand about…. “get on the f—ing ground?”

Knife-wielding moron shot by Police yesterday after being told 47 TIMES to “get-on-the-ground!”

https://youtu.be/b03_FsV6jqQ
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February 28, 2022 1:51pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Heh. That video gets a ‘like’ from me.
  When they showed a photo of the guy at the end (previous mug shot?) it made even more sense.
  
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  February 28, 2022 2:23pm
- curry4me
  
  One way to clean the gene pool.
  
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  February 28, 2022 5:04pm
k1w1

So for the 1st time I’ve had reason to call the 0800 covid number to ask about the definition of “household contact” (some complications regarding a separate flat under the same roof). Wait time: 27 minutes. ffs. Why does anyone bother?
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February 28, 2022 1:57pm
- Biscuit
  
  k1w1, I can’t remember who it was I was calling but one day, one day, I rang an 0800 number.
  
  Up came the usual ‘Your call is important to us, Please wait 6 months…’ automated reply….
  
  So – expecting the sort of wait time you experienced – took a book into the little boy’s room and left my cell on speaker…
  
  Blow me down, I had to do a quick, erm, tidy up before rushing back into the lounge to answer the very prompt reply…
  
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  February 28, 2022 2:43pm
- Joely Doe
  
  Heh – you phoned the Covid Hotline…
  
  ***points and sniggers…
  
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  February 28, 2022 4:50pm
  - k1w1
    
    Ha, yeah but I’m looking for a workaround, and it worked, and all.
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:36pm
Prince

66% of those aged 11 , eligible for a booster have received one.
In other words, 34% of people who have received two doses 3 months ago or more, have not turned up for a booster, despite the Govt and media pleadings.
Says something when one out of three people ignore the Govt and media.

Also, strange that the ‘population’ used to measure the %’s has not changed for nine months. And it remains around 200,000 less than the Dept of Stats figure.
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February 28, 2022 2:35pm
- alloytoo
  
  I’ve seen how they bribed folks to get they jabs spending obscene quantities of taxpayers money for pretty pathetic bribes.
  
  I’m waiting for the CASH offer.
  
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  February 28, 2022 4:36pm
  - curry4me
    
    I’m waiting for an offer involving a 59 Cadillac, or a one way ticket to Florida. Nothing yet, unfortunately. And to think I’ve even bought a short sleeve shirt.
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:06pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Another failure of this administration.
      
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      February 28, 2022 8:05pm
cmm

Yesterday, maybe a few more days back, I semi-joked that this pathetic “pandemic” is looking more like a health plan.

According to the Minister of health, and Baker, the CV19 numbers are under-reported and the true numbers are probably 5x what is reported.

So around 340,000 people are now presumed to be positive.

On average, about 95 people die per day in NZ, so for a random group of 340,000 people we’d expect 6.4 deaths per day just from normal life.

Yet, out of that 340,000 positive only one death was recorded yesterday (and for other causes).

So, on the face of it, people with Omicron have a 6.4x lower chance of dying than people without Omicron.

And the numbers for hospitalisation follow a similar pattern. Three are 344 positives in hospital. That is about 1 per 1000. Yet for the whole of NZ there are about 2 per 1000 in hospital. Having Omicron means people are half as likely to be in hospital as the general public!

It really is looking like a health option. Not much of a pandemic!

C’mon folks, it’s bullshit to call this a pandemic any more!
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February 28, 2022 2:52pm
cmm

Herald, breathlessly: 17 protestors were found to be positive!

There are approx 1000 protestors (depending on various variables and how you measure).

According to Little and Baker, around 340,000 NZers are positive – about 6.8%.

For any random group of 1000 people you’d then expect 68 to test positive. So it would seem that with 17 testing positive they’re less infected than the general population.

Even if we take Baker and Little’s 5x multiplier out of the picture, they’re pretty much on par.

Herald is spreading more disinformation.
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February 28, 2022 3:02pm
- mandk
  
  I’m pretty sure the words ‘Herald’ and ‘disinformation’ in a sentence is tautology.
  
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  February 28, 2022 3:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And there seems to 648 positive cases at Victoria University’s student accommodation.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/127904894/648-covid-cases-in-victoria-university-wellington-halls
  
  Looks like all those double & triple-vaxxed uni students have been spreading their bugs about Wellington.
  
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  February 28, 2022 3:31pm
  - cmm
    
    Swapping body fluids is what students do. That shifts viruses around vaxxed or unvaxxed.
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:45pm
- mandk
  
  I suspect that somewhere in excess of 5,000 people have visited the protest during the past three weeks, so the infection rates is probably way lower than you suggest.
  
  Meanwhile, Stuff reports that 648 (!) people in VUW halls of residence are infected. An online check reveals that said halls have a total of 2,846 beds, implying that the infection rate amongst residents is a staggering 23%.
  
  And it is highly likely that the infected students have all been vaxxed.
  
  Yet the scumbag MSM is focused on a minuscule infection rate at the protest.
  
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  February 28, 2022 3:41pm
  - graham
    
    “Yet the scumbag MSM is focused on a minuscule infection rate at the protest.”
    
    Yep. I personally don’t really buy too much into the $105 million bought-and-paid-for line, but I DO believe that we simply cannot trust the media to report fairly, without bias and in a neutral manner. They have agendas – Stuff is one of the worst, but credit where it’s due, at least they’re open about it – and they follow those agendas.
    
    Is it really any wonder that so few people trust the media wholeheartedly? A news story can be completely accurate and truthful as far as it goes, but careful selection of the angle taken, the facts included and – more importantly – the facts omitted, the adjectives used; all these can be used to portray a situation in exactly the way the reporter wishes.
    
    A Gallup poll from October 7, 2021 showed that “Americans’ trust in the media to report the news fully, accurately and fairly has edged down four percentage points since last year to 36%, making this year’s reading the second lowest in Gallup’s trend.” 36%! Surely anyone working in the media must be utterly ashamed by this.
    
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    February 28, 2022 4:22pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “They have agendas – Stuff is one of the worst, but credit where it’s due, at least they’re open about it” – I call BS on that. No credit is due to an organisation supposed to be about impartially reporting the news, holding the powerful to account, and fearlessly bringing us the facts, but which embarks on an agenda, overtly or otherwise.
      
      It’s like saying, of your daughter’s latest boyfriend, “Well he stole all her money, sold all her stuff for meth, and put her out on the streets turning tricks – but credit where it’s due, he was quite open about it.”
      
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      February 28, 2022 6:30pm
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        Heh, fair point 🙂
        
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        February 28, 2022 7:50pm
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    It’s also worth pointing out that they have only been there for a week and those cases are probably from the first 3 days.
    
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    February 28, 2022 4:57pm
- MCōs
  
  “Herald, breathlessly: 17 protestors were found to be positive!”
  Two points there.
  You sound pretty breathless yourself.
  The other point is the obvious one that you haven’t even alluded to and that is there’s no incentive for those people to get tested.
  There’s fools going round with some sort of meter who believe folks are getting I’ll from the effects of some sort of machine on the roof of parliament.
  I suppose you’ll say they’re pulling everyone’s leg.
  
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  February 28, 2022 6:16pm
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    There’s no incentive for anyone to get tested. If anything there are only disincentives.
    
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    February 28, 2022 8:04pm
cmm

DavidParker on Twitter: “Just thought I’d let people know I tested positive for Covid on Sunday. Isolating at home…”

So he’s not working. Can anyone tell the difference?
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February 28, 2022 3:25pm
- Over Taxed Worker
  
  I think he is going to be in big trouble with his boss – “some minor symptoms but not feeling too bad”. That is not in line with the Labour Party fear porn narrative. Tsk Tsk.
  
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  February 28, 2022 3:31pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    He just wants to make sure none of his mates thinks he’s too ill so they try to steal his missus.
    
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    February 28, 2022 4:55pm
    - kowtow
      
      Ouch.
      
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      February 28, 2022 5:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://rumble.com/vvz55s-trump-uncensored-mark-zuckerberg-used-to-come-to-wh-and-kiss-my-a.html?
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February 28, 2022 4:00pm
Maggie Pie

“Question Everything!”

Me: “Why?”
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February 28, 2022 4:36pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  There are only two rules for success:
  
  1. Never reveal everything you know.
  
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  February 28, 2022 6:25pm
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  To determine your own truth, and from that, define your own reality.
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:51pm
Prince

Congrats to Chris’s Luxon and Bishop on forcing the Govt’s hand re Aussie arrivals isolation.
I notice National is now regularly ahead of the Govt on their pulpit announcements.
A shift in power.
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February 28, 2022 4:51pm
- curry4me
  
  Good for them. Perhaps they borrowed a spine from ACT. They don’t seem to want one.
  
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  February 28, 2022 5:10pm
- cmm
  
  I see that MIQ is ending on Friday.
  
  Why Friday? Why not immediately?
  
  Why for vaxxed only when there is no difference in transmission between vaxxed and unvaxxed? AT the current transmission rates it all doesn’t matter anyway.
  
  Is this just some power play so that Cindy can pretend she’s in charge?
  
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  February 28, 2022 5:43pm
  - MCōs
    
    Probably to give the airlines and airports, customs, immigration a couple of days to prepare.
    
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    February 28, 2022 5:58pm
    - fernglas
      
      Perhaps they should let the airlines etc. sort that problem out for themselves.
      On another note, departures from NZ have consistently been 30-50% greater on most days over the last year or so than arrivals, so it will be interesting to see if the 6000 per week arriving is matched by 9000 per week departing.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/ready-set-go-employers-brace-for-the-kiwi-worker-exodus-as-borders-reopen/
      If you want to track departures and arrivals, the link is here:
      https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-arrivals-departures/
      My rough calculation was of a nett loss of about 80,000 since the start of 2021.
      
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      February 28, 2022 7:40pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yip. Yip. That is what it is. But it seems to be in direct conflict to the legal ruling on the illegal police mandates for which they provided no evidence that it stopped transmission. Seeing another major right of the unvaxxed is being breached shouldn’t we be privy at least to the science and cabinet papers that disport this decision and show that it is a reasonable and neccessary restriction.
    
    If we look at Ministry of Health website on Transmission they say, “The Pfizer vaccine (Comirnaty) is effective at reducing the number of people who get COVID-19 (Really!!! I don’t think so citation needed), Recent studies show that the Pfizer vaccine can reduce transmission of the virus. These studies looked at the number of people infected with COVID-19 after they’d been vaccinated and their close contacts.”
    
    And then they provide a link to some small studies from May 2021. Alpha variant. They have no recent studies from Delta or Omicron phase showing it reduces transmission. And it isn’t effective at reducing the number of people who get covid.”
    
    What they are doing is illegal, they don’t care and are doubling down. And National don’t care because well…votes.
    
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    February 28, 2022 6:10pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      National, and Luxon in particular, have been dismal. Lame platitudinous piffle with policy that flaps around in the focus-group breeze. Vote them if you want Labour meta-policy delivered better.
      
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      February 28, 2022 10:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Is this just some power play so that Cindy can pretend she’s in charge?
    
    Of course it is.
    
    However, as it becomes obvious that her magic dust has all blown away, I predict we will hear less about stages, phases, traffic lights , sign-ins, and other confusions.
    
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    February 28, 2022 6:26pm
- mandk
  
  Why aren’t Luxon and Bishop also demanding an end to the mandates?
  
  Vaccinations clearly don’t stop infections.
  
  But, even if they did, vaxxing the unvaccinated now would be too late. Omicron would be history long before the newly vaxxed supposedly became safe.
  
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  February 28, 2022 5:54pm
Littletramp

We are being played here folks. All this “going to reduce the mandate in time” talk is a sleight of hand/distraction.
Their real goal is via the vaccine passports, and that is why all the new reg’s for tourists etc keep referring to the fully vaxxed only. The vaxxed are now the same as the un-vaxxed for all intents and purposes from a health perspective.
Notice how they don’t even know or care if fully vaxxed includes the booster, as that is not the goal.
The goal for them (World Economic Forum) is to have a universal digital I/D, and that is why you won’t see the vax passports go ever.
We must resist the digital i/d, which will become digital currency, or we will lose many more rights and freedoms.
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February 28, 2022 5:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Preach it. Our kids’ future liberty depends on a successful war against this gathering totalitarian repugnance.
  
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  February 28, 2022 10:13pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/127906107/auckland-mayoralty-labour-party-backs-councillor-efeso-collins-as-its-candidate
As expected: Labour self-destructing in a very public way.
Who the hell is going to vote for this turkey?
Free public transport? God Almighty, which planet spawned this one?
Special treatment of South Auckland?
Yeah, right. Very productive.
Get a grip Auckland: vote for Molloy, someone with a grasp of reality, someone with a history of personal success not based on ratepayer funds.
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February 28, 2022 6:37pm
fernglas

I see they are keeping MIQ open for the unvaccinated. That’s a bit dumb; none of them can get onto any of the airlines that fly to NZ. Not only that, but they are no more likely than the vaxxed to be carrying the virus, so MIQ would be pointless and probably in breach of their rights.
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February 28, 2022 7:33pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Actually the unvaccinated are lese likely to be infected since they are not allowed to participate in most of the activities that promote infection. The people making these rules are really not very intelligent.
  
  If you are required to have a negative test before boarding an airline why would your vaccination status make any difference?
  
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  February 28, 2022 8:28pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yeah that AirNZ policy grinds my gears. Low fidelity virtue signaling that scoffs at evidence and logic. I refuse to get nasaly raped while the sniffing, coughing vaxxed parade their ‘papers please, papers!’ to board.
    
    C’mon AirNZ. Astound us. Discover some evidence-based principles.
    
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    February 28, 2022 10:11pm
Maggie Pie

HEADS UP…..be first in.

At 11:59pm this Friday, I’ll be listing my 6 matching, lightly soiled, authentic ‘Balenciaga Face Masks’ on TradeMe…. under the heading ‘Health & Beauty’.

Buy-Now $300 for the lot…which is a 1/3 of what I paid last year!
Happy to wash them if preferred. Your call.
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February 28, 2022 7:48pm
TT500

Can someone please tell me. Are we still in the
stamping out phase of omi con?

I just don,t seem to be able to keep up.
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February 28, 2022 10:27pm
Surely Knott

UK has been doing free RAT tests since April 2021, but since then they have had their biggest case outbreak ever. I don’t know why it didn’t help with case numbers, but it didn’t. Where is the science on the effectiveness of RATS as a national strategy. Are RATS more effective than just staying home when you feel sick.
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