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andrew davies

Our politicians are disgusting cowards. Every single one of them. By refusing to even eyeball, let alone engage with their fellow New Zealanders they have established a new precedent, namely only talk to people with whom you agree. So much for all the weasel words about celebrating diversity, team of 5 million and the cringiest of all, ‘be kind’.
I expected nothing less from politicians on the left. However Seymour and Luxon I am looking at you, bigger things were expected. Those noisy people outside the building in which you are hiding are your fellow kiwis who all contribute to your outsized salaries. You don’t have to agree with them. Just grow a pair and look them in the eye.
That would be leadership worth paying for.
PS I am triple jabbed.
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February 13, 2022 8:00am
- Simon
  
  Lol – Luxon
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:17am
- curry4me
  
  The ‘opposition’ are at one with the government.
  
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  February 13, 2022 2:02pm
- Zoomfatigued
  
  Being triple jabbed does not validate you as a person or your statement. Everything you said before that was perfect.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:05pm
mandk

I went to the anti-mandate at Parliament yesterday, and I will be there again today.
I have to confess that I was a bit apprehensive before I got there yesterday, because of the msm reports I had read. And the mud and rain should have made it miserable, but it was quite the reverse. It was one of the most positive experiences I have had recently. In some ways it was actually joyous.
Far from there being an atmosphere of threats and intimidation, it was friendly and upbeat. People in the crowd were even shouting messages of thanks and love to the police.
There was a good cross-section people there; Maori and pakeha, old and young, men and women and children, vaxxed and non-vaxxed, believers and non-believers. My guess is that many, if not the majority, of them will have voted Labour at the last election.
I talked to a couple of dozen people, from Auckland, Tauranga, Te Puke, Hastings, Palmerston North, Shannon, Christchurch, Rangiora and Ashburton, as well as from various parts of the Wellington region.
Six of the people I talked to had lost their jobs because of the vaccine mandate, including two teachers, a teaching assistant, a school caretaker, a paramedic and a factory worker. Despite this, they voiced no hostility towards the government; they just wanted the mandate to end.
Another person I spoke to – a young electrician – had become ill as soon as he had his second jab in December. He now has chest pain, joint pains and fatigue. He struggles to get through a working day.
So my message to anyone reading this is: get to the protest if you can, disregard anything you read about it or see about it on TV, and don’t believe anything people like Grant Robertson and Souxsie Wiles have to say about the protesters.
Stand up Kiwis! Make the mandate end now.
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February 13, 2022 8:01am
- covfefe
  
  Yes please and the masks as well, please.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:23am
- Lee C
  
  meanwhile..https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=291597766400774
  
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  February 13, 2022 12:02pm
- Justitia
  
  mandk: yes, I have been down there this morning to deliver warm, dry clothes and other supplies. There were many others doing the same, and there was a shuttle operating where people were taking protesters home for a hot shower. The vibe was excellent, a real mix of Maori and Pakeha all united against the disproportionate and unjust mandates. Jacinda has finally brought us together; now she should resign, as of this evening.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:22pm
- curry4me
  
  I attended some of the FR demonstrations in Christchurch. It felt like going to visit a large group of friends.
  
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  February 13, 2022 2:04pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Here is another way to show support for ending mandates:
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_118575/petition-of-hadassah-meadows-repeal-changes-made-by-covid-19
  
  This petition to end Public Health mandates is getting close to 1% of NZ population. Note the population that identify as Muslim — “They are us” — is approx. 2%. So at what number of people does Jacinda acknowledge those against mandates are us too?
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:37pm
Yvette

From the trenches –
Is Barry Manilow, aged 78 now, still young enough to be bothered to instruct a lawyer to sue Trevor Mallard for illegal use of Manilow’s music, besmirching his reputation to a nation of five million people, even although half of them may have never heard of Barry Manilow?

And Ardern’s Labour Mallard himself – is he displaying characteristics of nasty meanness, paranoia, and misjudgement that seems to undermine the dignity, integrity and impartiality one could mistakenly expect of a Speaker of the House of Representatives, rather than initiating the fucking up of Parliament’s precinct – the lawns?
And diverting attention from conned outbreak striking Auckland City Hospital as multiple staff, patients test positive

And is Ardern’s Labour David Parker – ‘Tiny group’ of NZers who are ‘misguided by garbage’ on social media – Labour Minister blasts anti-mandate protesters – or Ardern’s Labour Robertson – says people who ‘threaten, harass and disrupt’ lose right to protest – being any more helpful as Fears anti-mandate protest could be COVID-19 super-spreader event as police warn it could go on for days more but a Political irony: Speaker Trevor Mallard and COVID-19 Minister Chris Hipkins’ historic arrests make it hard to trespass protesters.

I still think Luxon is missing quite an opportunity, actually useful or just political, in not publicly inviting a small delegation of protestors – or even an A4 paper, both sides if need be, summarising views from each – to explain their grievances.
In subsequent media coverage what as their may be, and in the House, he could claim he and his Party at least offered an avenue of communication, rather than helping fuck up the lawns.
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February 13, 2022 8:06am
- BeaB
  
  Agree. He could easily find a few people with genuine fears and stories. I am disappointed in National and Act.
  And what about our gutless media cowering on the balcony?
  And Mallard. Dick of the Week.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:35am
  - Gravelroad
    
    All this water and loud music torture sure shows up the Prime Minister’s “be kind” instructions for what they really are (and always have been) – an absolute crock of mind numbing control tactics.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:37am
  - Positan
    
    “I am disappointed in National and Act.”
    So much conveyed in a simple statement.
    
    Frankly, I’m absolutely horrified at the transparency of the overpowering GUTLESSNESS the pair of them have shown.
    
    Seymour – because up ’til now he, on behalf of his party, has been the voice that National SHOULD have been for many, many months.
    
    Luxon – because he’s shown himself to be nothing like what a LEADER should be – especially a Leader of the National Party. Irrespective of whatever were the political implications he feared and has scurried around behind (which shouldn’t have been any sort of consideration, even remotely), a REAL LEADER would have discerned INSTANTLY that the Freedom Convoy protest and ALL its tens of thousands of supporters were acting with every right and genuine reason to oppose the Ardern’s government’s underhand communist efforts that are WRECKING OUR COUNTRY! A REAL LEADER would have swung in and praised the convoy’s efforts and dedication and upheld its perspective in parliament. But he hasn’t, so I think Luxon should quit. He’s shown nothing remotely resembling the attributes necessary to understand what’s at hand. GET OUT CHRISTOPHER! GO NOW!
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:07pm
  - curry4me
    
    Chris from marketing could send a minion down for an hour or two to see who the natural leaders. Get their cell phone number, and have security let them in quietly for a meeting. All off camera. David Seymour could have done the same.
    
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    February 13, 2022 2:08pm
  - Zoomfatigued
    
    Dick of the decade.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:09pm
- pdm
  
  `And Ardern’s Labour Mallard himself’
  
  I have called Mallard DESPICABLE since the incident with the Parliamentary worker came to my attention.
  
  Now I think I am being kind to him – he is nothing more than a cruel thug and in all probability has been so all of his life. A nasty man with no respect for anyone that does not agree with him.
  
  Mallard do New Zealand a favour and resign not only as Speaker but also from Parliament – go and live in North Korea – you may fit in there.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:43am
  - artemisia
    
    The Mouse that Roared.
    
    Mr Squeaker….
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:57am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      A challenge was put out last night for the first MP bold enough to call out “Point of order Mr Sprinkler”, and get it written into Hansard…
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:19am
      - Yvette
        
        Tony Stuart
        Luxon should work a little on it
        Take it over and tear the media between maintaining a Labour Line or running clickbait
        
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        February 13, 2022 10:50am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Don’t they just change Hansard when they misspeak?
        
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        February 13, 2022 12:15pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Point of order Mr Speakers would also be appropriate
        
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        February 13, 2022 3:13pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Speaking of undesirable characters, has anyone seen Cindy since the siege began? I haven’t, but I haven’t been watching NZ News on TV for a while, it’s far too biased for me and I don’t understand any of the invented (Te Reo) words used.
    Is Cindy hiding in a bunker somewhere?
    If so, it’s high time she came out and showed some leadership (if she knows what that is).
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:52am
    - alloytoo
      
      Jacinda and Justin both in hiding.
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:13pm
  - gravedodger
    
    “Breaking news” reports “someone” has Public Toilets in the Central Wellington terminal for Government owned Kiwirail, locked to deny them from use by the Convoy Protesters nearby.
    I would hope that McDonalds and other businesses in the vicinity, who must be enjoying an increase in turnover, not to give the detestable little jerk any support.
    
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    February 13, 2022 1:45pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      I think Maccas want to see vax passes to go in the door …. ? Why would they want to be a public toilet?
      
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      February 13, 2022 8:54pm
- Exclamation Mark
  
  The song Copacabana (which i have only recently discovered) has brought more light, joy and value into the world than Trevor Mallard and the sum total of everything he has achieved in his whole life.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:20am
- Jim
  
  There is garbage on social media, but there is also very much authentic non partisan scientific analysis of the pandemic such as the UK Dr John Campbell, who is often referenced due to his data driven analysis that cuts through the government media gaslighting.
  Another valuable resource is this US doctor, and there is alot to learn (that the NZ media wont even think about) in his latest 16 minute vlog.
  https://youtu.be/9jQTtehif34
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:46pm
CJames

To the ever increasing list of liberal writers who have been disappeared because the new censors don’t like their views, one can add Naomi Wolf. Though her offence isn’t for being a TERF, or wrongthink about CRT, but for concerns over the effect of the vaccine on women’s health and fertility. https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/is-it-time-for-intellectuals-to-talk
She now finds that it is conservatives, those that she used to despise, are her friends. And she has found God, a change for a liberal agnostic Jew.
How many others will the revolution devour?
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February 13, 2022 8:11am
- David George
  
  A truly great essay, thanks CJ.
  
  Excerpt:
  Lifelong activists for justice and inclusion, for the Constitution and human rights and the rule of law — friends and colleagues of mine who are LGBTQ rights activists; the ACLU itself; activists for racial inclusion and equality; Constitutional lawyers who teach at all the major universities and run the law reviews; activists who argue against excluding anyone from any profession or access based on gender; almost all of them, at least on the progressive side of the spectrum (almost all: hello, Glenn Greenwald) — were silent; as a comprehensive, systematic, cruel, Titanic discrimination society was erected in a matter of months in such cities as New York City, formerly the great melting pot, the great equalizer; and as whole states such as California adopted a system pretty much like the apartheid systems based on other physical characteristics, in regimes that these same proud advocates for equality and inclusion had boycotted in college.
  
  And yet now these former heroes for human rights and for equal justice under law, stood by calmly or even enthusiastically as the massive edifice of discrimination was constructed. And then they colluded. Without even a fight or a murmur.
  
  And they had their “vaccinated-only” parties, and their segregated fashion galas, and their nonprofit-hosted discussions in nice medically-segregated New York City midtown hotels over expensive lunches served by staffers in masks — lunches celebrating luminaries of the civil rights movement or of the LGBTQ rights movement or the immigrants’ rights movement, or the movement to help girls in Afghanistan get access to schools which they had been prevented from attending— invitations which I received, but of which I could not make use, because — because I was prevented from attending.
  
  And these elite justice advocates enjoyed the celebrations of their virtues and of their values, and did not seem to notice that they had become — in less than a year — exactly what they had spent their adult lives professing most to hate.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:56am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    David George – Fine words. The “left” as an entity seems to have vanished in the last 40 years or so. The champagne socialists who have filled the void are vapid zombies, devoid of any of the traits that class of person is normally imbued with.
    This should be an easy opportunity for the conservative classes but they are apparently missing in action. Is this stupidity? Or is it as it now seems, all of our political parties are captured and there is no meaningful representation of the actual people of the country?
    It defies logic, that Seymour and Luxon are not aware of the horrendous assault on democracy that has endured under Ardern in the last 2 years. More incredible is that neither seems to have the inclination to seize the opportunity this presents.
    There will be people more intelligent than I how will dissect this puzzle eventually. In the meanwhile, I sit in disbelief at what I am watching unfold, and I have witnessed some astonishing events in my life.
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:41am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Luxon and Seymour are a big disappointment to me. They are no better than Ardern or the Greens co-leaders or the scribble faces Maori Party lot.
      Rather than engage with the protesters hear their stories and show some understanding and empathy they are hiding in the cellars like the rats they are.
      
      Luxon is no John Key. He is not even a cardboard cutout of John Key.
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:43am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Sad thing. He is.
        
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        February 13, 2022 11:13am
    - mawm
      
      It is the change in the people around me that I find astonishing. People who would normally question everything have become mindless repeaters of the mantra, avid compliers of the draconian, illogical and proven to be ineffective “new rules”. Occasionally I see a spark of life behind their downcast dead eyes. It gives me a glimmer of hope.
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:58am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      This should be an easy opportunity for the conservative classes but they are apparently missing in action.
      
      As I recall you’ve been a bit of Leftie most of your life, with plenty of votes for Labour.
      
      As such you should have observed that the “conservative classes” in New Zealand don’t actually conserve anything. The definition of “conservative” for them means sitting quietly and getting on with life while events sweep them along.
      
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      February 13, 2022 1:06pm
- CJames
  
  Looks like Neil Oliver is also lining himself up to be cancelled, pointing out that the Covid hysteria has a real risk of destroying children
  https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/neil-oliver-in-covid-lockdowns-we-didnt-put-kids-first/225001
  I note that even the FDA is baulking at the Covid injections for under 5s.
  If in several years time, it is found that the vaccines or lockdown behaviour rules have damaged women’s fertility, or childrens’ health, who will be liable? Who will repair the damage?
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:48am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    It was notable that when a senior journalist on one of their Sunday gab fests (Face The Nation said the following of kids like her own, “They will be paying for our generation’s decisions the rest of their lives”, it was cut from the broadcast version, although still available via CBS’s online platform. Here’s part of what she said:
    
    My kids hear me rant about this every day. So I may as well tell you guys. It’s the crushing impact that our Covid policies have had on young kids and children, by far the least serious risk for serious illness.
    
    Even teenagers, I mean, a healthy teenager has a one-in-a-million chance of getting … and dying from Covid, which is way lower than dying in a car wreck on a road trip. But they have suffered and sacrificed the most, especially kids in underrepresented and at-risk communities. And now we have the surgeon general saying there’s a mental health crisis among our kids. The risk of attempts among girls is now up 51 percent this year. Black kids nearly twice as likely as White kids to die by suicide.
    
    I mean, school closures, lockdowns, cancellation of sports…You couldn’t even go on a playground in the D.C. area without cops scurrying…. getting… shooing the kids off. Tremendous negative impact on kids, and it’s been an afterthought.”
    
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    February 13, 2022 1:12pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Tom, that is so true. We’ve seen it hear in our on child. Started Year 8 last week & he is petrified of another lockdown, & being cut off from his friends again.
      
      Then there are the young in final years of school or at tertiary institutions who are getting half baked qualifications assessments & presenting themselves for jobs.
      
      Well done the world’s political & commercial leaders, you have screwed with the world’s next generation! I hope you are proud of what you have achieved!
      
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      February 13, 2022 2:18pm
krazykiwi

Just been down to the protest. A quick update
– very wet. Wellington’s finest overnight has taken its toll on the tents, but not the people
– there is an amazing team of volunteers looking after food. I visited the distribution centre while has a large and growing stock. I’ll spent today running around buying things they’re running low on.
– there is some risk of hypothermia for some of the worst impacted by the overnight weather. If you are Wellington based and could see your way to offering a couple if people hot showers and a couple of hours respite care that would be awesome. There’s no system for this, or if there is I don’t yet know about it.
– there’s almost nothing you can’t do to help, but there are now so many protestors and volunteers that it needs coordination. If you’d genuinely like to volunteer register here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBEOScuC2qEw1hqp_tn1zR1LnRWMb73scVWXovkbg4VEc-HA/viewform
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February 13, 2022 8:11am
- Russ the Muss
  
  [KB will not assist the occupiers with funding or anything else – Mod]
  
  [Update: posting re donations is fine in DPFs view. Russ you can repost this comment if you wish. Cheers]
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:05am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Mod, the link above describes, and indeed supports people volunteering their time. There is an army of supporters, some people doing 10-12 hours shifts.
    
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    February 13, 2022 1:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That deserves loads of upticks.
  Pity I an on the Shore
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Only a long bus ride away. 60 bucks would get you down there by breakfast time tomorrow.
    
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    February 13, 2022 8:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some of us work Mike. Who do you think is paying Govt debt?
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:08am
      - virtualmark
        
        Our children.
        
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        February 13, 2022 10:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Virtualmark,
        Grandchildren and great grandchildren as well.
        This tyranny must be stopped
        
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        February 13, 2022 12:25pm
    - Okahu
      
      If he rides as far as he can out of the north shore on his gold card, maybe make a couple of interconnects, get down to Papakura (plenty of learnings down there for a resident of the north shore), who knows the savings? Down to $56-8? Pay for a pie for the the ride maybe. How good would that be? Bliss.
      
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      February 13, 2022 2:54pm
- cmm
  
  kk: Is there a reliable bank acct I can donate a few bob?
  
  There is no branding and no contact info on that form. How do I know it isn’t a honeypot created by Mallard and his jackboots?
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Quite happy to throw in some dollars as long as it goes to the right place
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:01am
  - Reid
    
    This is from a post on Gab. It is by a guy whose been there since the beginning so it will be reliable.
    
    BravoZulu17 ?? ⭐️⭐️⭐️®
    BravoZulu17 ?? ⭐️⭐️⭐️®
    @BravoZulu17
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    ⭐⭐⭐ @CounterspinMedia ⭐⭐⭐
    
    ℹ CAMP FREEDOM DONATIONS #Convoy2022NZ
    
    We can verify the legitimacy of this person and this account.
    
    Lisa is a mama bear down at Parliament, helping where and when she can.
    
    Many are wanting to give her money to support the stand to end mandates if they can’t be there themselves.
    
    L.M. Richmond
    38-9017-0280054-00
    
    If you want to support Camp Freedom with things like:
    
    – food
    – shelter
    – petrol
    – tech
    
    I can’t seem to get a direct link to the post but it is on the timeline of this hashtag.
    
    https://gab.com/tags/convoy2022nz
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I would include a battery pack so cellphones can be charged. Get the message out from those on the ground
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:10am
    - Mummy
      
      $50 done. Thanks.
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:27am
      - curry4me
        
        Done when I finish reading this.
        
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        February 13, 2022 2:16pm
    - Sean OConnor
      
      Swimming goggles, umbrellas, and masks for when tear gas is eventually used might be a good idea.
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:39am
      - cmm
        
        Probably the cheapest and easiest way to partially defeat teargar is to burn something near your face. Burning paper/cardboard works quite well.
        
        I’ve only been gassed mildly once myself (self inflicted) bad enough!
        
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        February 13, 2022 5:16pm
    - Reid
      
      [do not post links to conspiracy channels like that, they will be removed – Mod]
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:48am
- Lee C
  
  KK – I would have contacted you earlier, but my busness colleague and I are organisng funds through another channel to help out.
  
  Go well.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:48am
- Master Mariner
  
  Kudos KK, Good work.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:52am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Something I pondered last night … if this protest were taking place under a National government, would the media be taking the same approach to the protestors as they are now?
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:54am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t be silly. They would be door-stopping every National MP, demanding to know what they planned to do about this outrage.
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Thanks kk. Very much appreciate your work.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:57am
- Okahu
  
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  What those protesters need is a leader krazy. Somebody to speak to the press. Somebody to direct the outrage. Somebody to coalesce the wild statements of marital breakdown and desire to kill into something that indicates coherency and civility are to be found there.
  
  And there you are krazy. There you are.
  An epidemiologist. A political philosopher. A medical researcher. A gifted communicator. A man who can wind up to 300 words of bile and outrage at a tyrannical leader and not need to come up for air.
  
  Plenty of soldiers in the reserves krazy. What they need is their Napoleon, their Alexander, their Julius Caesar, their Genghis Khan.
  
  Your people need you krazy. This is your moment. Carpe diem krazy. Carpe a megaphone and carpe diem.
  
  I’ll pop some corn in a pan.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:59am
  - Taieri
    
    Plenty of soldiers in the reserves krazy. What they need is their Napoleon, their Alexander, their Julius Caesar, their Genghis Khan.
    ———————————
    
    And on the other hand…
    
    “(…)Jacinda Ardern, prime minister of New Zealand. Ardern has always achieved a degree of international fame far beyond that enjoyed by most leaders of her small nation because she is a woman and she appears to really mind. In fact caring is Ardern’s shtick. She is especially good at apologising for things she hasn’t done. Her face crumples, her voice breaks, and the world’s news organisations shout in chorus: “Here is what we need in a leader(…)”
    
    “(…)Well, Ardern has announced yet another batch of regulations for her countrymen. New Zealand seems almost hooked on the stuff. The international media once again went doolally for Ardern when she gave a press conference announcing fresh lockdowns and saying that this meant that her own wedding was off. How much she seemed to care! How much her face crumpled as she talked of the plight of her countryfolk! How selfless she was even to cancel her own nuptials!(…)”
    
    “(…)What people should have said was that New Zealand’s prime minister had clearly become a mad person. There was no reason to do this performative caring. There was no reason to sacrifice the opportunity to get hitched. The rules were the problem, and getting rid of them should have been the priority.
    Instead, everyone got swept along, yet again, on an ocean of Ardern ardour. And on it seems this will go. What will come of New Zealand?(…)”
    
    Douglas Murray in The Telegraph.
    
    What will come of New Zealand indeed?
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:16pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      The new A A.
      Apartheid Ardern.
      
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      February 13, 2022 4:54pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    As usual, nothing constructive from the Jacindanists other than bile and petty sniping. Despicable people. I cannot believe I was once from the left. I honestly didn’t see that level of childishness until now.
    The death of the left has been a tragedy I’ve watched unfold since Thatcher and Reagan. The concern is what fills the void.
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:19pm
    - TS Child
      
      I wouldn’t worry about it too much – National and Act are rushing to fill the void. I’m afraid what you’ve actually witnessed is the death of the Right.
      
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      February 13, 2022 2:31pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The last thing the Protestors need is an identifiable leader who the Govt, Media and Bloggers can target and crucify with dug-up shit and innuendo.
    PS: Why doesn’t Cindy admit the WEF is pulling her strings?
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:44pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    It was 639 words, Ohaku. Here’s a link to it, on the off change you’d like to confirm. You’re welcome.
    
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    February 13, 2022 1:57pm
    - Okahu
      
      Count ‘‘‘em up people, never mind we’ve done it for you! 683 words! And what words! Some of the best words. Why grandma krazy has promised to crochet them onto a doily (or a bedspread if she can’t find her glasses)!
      
      Words of reason. Words of wisdom. Words of pride. Words of seduction!
      
      People we have our prophet. His words are sprayed on these Kiwiblog walls. His words are His Struggle. His words are our struggle. And what a struggle.
      
      Imagine the sunkissed uplands that await our nation when these 612 words are recognised as the manifesto that they are. A manifesto for freedom and truth and god and krazy.
      
      Now krazy, bit disappointed at the few who can’t see what you and I can. So many downtickskis. Who knew Fraser House basement paid weekend rates? krazy, let us not be defeated by those feeble, mute, impotent, down ticking naysayers. (So many, so sad).
      
      I’m told you can roll up a piece of card and bellow through that if nobody will lend you their megaphone when the words need to come out. And obviously we need you to be COVID safe! Can’t have you isolating when we need you most!
      
      And as your self appointed campaign manager might I say you need a slogan krazy. MLK had “I have a dream!” I’m just putting it out there krazy but how about…
      
      “I might be krazy…”
      
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      February 13, 2022 3:27pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        You’re a sick puppy, Okahu. But just carry on with your Ardern loving Apartheid society – I’m sure you totally approve.
        
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        February 13, 2022 4:56pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I’m sure there’s a vaccination for your allergy Okahu.
        
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        February 13, 2022 9:16pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    What those protesters need is a leader krazy.
    
    You are right, Ohaku. The very legitimate protest is in danger of becoming fragmented as different factions jostle to make their respective points heard. I hope someone suitable emerges.
    
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    February 13, 2022 2:03pm
    - Okahu
      
      [Deleted – it’s time to end your passive-agressive posts. mod.]
      
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      February 13, 2022 3:56pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Okahu, have you considered a career in either stand-up comedy or writing comedy? This piece had me in fits.
    
    If this was not intended as comedy, therefore coming from a really dark place, then please go and get some help.
    
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    February 13, 2022 4:59pm
- piglady
  
  I am happy to donate to a bank acc if you are able to provide one kk.
  Thanks for the update?
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thanks so much. Have a look here. Reid’s post above is another way to contribute.
    
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    February 13, 2022 2:08pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  The right to protest is being undermined not only in NZ but in other Western countries. Politicans of the Left Right and Centre are seeking ways and means of curbing or shutting down protests even if they are peaceful. This is part of the de-democratisation agenda of those who seek a One World Government.
  I no longer trust ANY of the political parties or their politicans to hold to my values of Freedom of the Individual Freedom of Speech Thought and Movement.
  As a law abiding citizen I no longer have any faith in the political system in this country to protect me from the tryanny of the State.
  
  For me the State is now a threat.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:11am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Lastman It’s a dangerous junction we’re at when we see the state and it’s apparatus as the threat. It’s a situation that’s solely the responsibility of the Ardern regime and it’s worshiping media class. I hope those of us who are having opposition thrust upon us can rise to the challenge and conduct ourselves with the dignity and integrity the task requires.
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:07am
- Roona
  
  This is the first time I’ve felt proud to be a kiwi in a long long time. Also the first time I’ve felt part of a team, forget the team of 5 million, I’m in #teamconvoy2022!
  David Seymour replied to my message with this“ We oppose the mandates, we voted against the mandates, we proposed alternatives to the mandates, and we will continue to speak out against the mandates. But I hope you can understand that we can’t engage with people when some of them are calling for journalists and MPs to be killed.”
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:10am
  - mawm
    
    Seymour supports vaccine passports. If not being used to control where people can go and what people can do (mandates) then what are they for? He is being a weasel. If there are people are calling for others to be killed then the least you could do David is get out there, expose them but support the other 99% because they are the real citizens of New Zealand. Show some leadership, grow a pair.
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:03pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Correct. I’ve had an email exchange with Seymour and he supports vaxx certs, and this amounts to a soft mandate. Want to ‘have a summer’? Want to have a social life? Then obey us and get jabbed.
      
      That Seymour can’t find his core principles on this is a sign of the moral morass that is New Zealand politics.
      
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      February 13, 2022 2:13pm
  - cjn
    
    Roona ( and David Seymour). The reason that some people might call for journalists and MPs to be killed is that the politicians such as David Seymour with his fine words are not willing to come out and talk to the people in the protest. Come out and engage little man. Be brave.
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:10pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  great to see the level of overt/active support for those on the ground that is occurring – but just a thought – sure the hay for underfoot was probably imported but I’d also be sure the the local businesses that their local MP insists are doing it so hard due a to the disruption are seeing a good increase in turnover supplied by the interlopers compared to what they saw when their locals recently abandoned them to work at home.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:24am
G152

I hear the duck is contributing music along with a water supply for the protest.
And protection from the police so no-one will break in and steal property.
What a caring concerned carer
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February 13, 2022 8:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Last night, Mallard was taking requests and suggestions via Twitter. The only problem with that is that Mallard has blocked anyone who has every disagreed with him, so his Twitter circle is limited to those who think as he does.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:36am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Yes, and lefties believe they’re the only intelligent and credible contributors on Twitter…
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:20am
- bravefart
  
  Is he playing royalties to the artists involved?
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:30am
KH

Don’t forget New Zealand’s real convoy. It’s all the folk trucking on down to get the booster vax.
We can acknowledge the sense of marginalisation those at parliament have, but their numbers are vanishingly small.
We have increasing numbers of marginalised people in New Zealand. But the vax is a tiny part of that.
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February 13, 2022 8:20am
- RightNow
  
  Are you aware of the protests going on around the country? E.g. Christchurch and Picton as just 2 examples? If not then perhaps the people you trust for your news aren’t that trustworthy.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:52am
- Russ the Muss
  
  Vanishing small. Lol. Based on the people I talk to I think u maybe a little shocked who support this, hehe. Whilst many underestimate the resolve of the protesters, the police don’t, [deleted by Mod, unfounded speculation re law enforcement]
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The war on corruption. Barefaced lies. Democrats are desperate. (video)
https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/finally-election-fraud-footage-weve-been-waiting-for-deleting-files-from-server-before-turning-over-data/
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February 13, 2022 8:23am
- Batman
  
  That’s not news, that’s a make believe story from a random YouTube account.
  
  “Cooter” should stick to fanfiction ??
  
  Impressive that they’re still desperately clinging on to the stupid lie in order to avoid accepting losing.
  
  Sad stuff.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If it was false, YouTube would have deleted it. YouTube are more left than the rabid left in NZ, way more.
    Cooter did not make that video, he shared it.
    The future will tell, we will see.
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:35pm
  - leoj
    
    New here but I note that all your responses get heavily down ticked.
    Is that because you are invariably wrong, or, is it that you are simply an idiot?
    Maybe both?
    Yeah, that’s it.
    
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    February 13, 2022 6:22pm
Bridgenag

Well done krazy!
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February 13, 2022 8:23am
- Bridgenag
  
  Maybe post your email again today for the folks wanting to contribute
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, may do. Thanks for your support, Bridgenag. I have had 15 (and counting) people get in touch.
    
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    February 13, 2022 2:38pm
grumpy

Stuff with a halfway decent defence of modelling. Explains why it is so completely wrong compared to reality.
I have a question for Stuff…,is that also true for Climate Change modelling?
Can’t have it both ways!
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/127738970/omicron-nz-explaining-covid19-modelling-and-why-its-so-contentious
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February 13, 2022 8:26am
- cmm
  
  It’s not working because:
  * We only gave them $6M for a modelling budget.
  * This is Aotearoa. They should be using Maori mathematical modelling. The colonial rubbish doesn’t work here.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:36am
- alex Masterley
  
  Send the author an email then asking that question.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:39am
  - grumpy
    
    Thanks for the idea, have emailed Keith Lynch. Don’t hold out much hope with Stuff’s total ban on questioning the Global Warming “science”
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:07am
- Master Mariner
  
  Thanks for that. Interesting.
  Just like Hipkins said, Its a bit like weather modelling.
  Exactly, Who the hell would “forecast” the weather in NZ in Feb ( Summer) on UK weather ( Winter) and expect the same patterns.
  You really can not make this up?
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:48am
  - Master Mariner
    
    “His feeling is that throughout the pandemic some modellers have been keen to make policy recommendations based on their work. This erodes public trust.”
    
    So says Hendy masquerading on the Podium of Truth.
    So we finally have the Criteria for why there were Lockdowns and Traffic Lights etc based on this Rubbish.
    
    Everyone should read,
    Covid-19 Modelling Aotearoa , (Not formally peer reviewed).
    
    Its time consuming alone counting the words, Assumed, estimated, effectiveness etc.
    Ill translate, “The effectiveness of accuracy of NZ Covid Model is only an assumption and an estimate”.
    
    The stand out “assumption” is that there is NO seasonality in outcomes,
    ie Winter in FEB Nth Hemisphere and Summer in Stn Hemisphere.
    
    Serious question?? Is this what Hipkins was alluding too when he mentioned weather forecasting?
    I’m picking he was.
    I implore all people to read in its entirety to understand why we are at this point.
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:14am
- kowtow
  
  Why did God create modellers .
  
  To make astrologists look good.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:02am
- virtualmark
  
  Yes, it’s also true of climate modelling.
  
  Modelling (done well) has two uses:
  1) It shows you the probability distribution of the possible outcomes,
  2) It shows you what changes/initiatives should have the largest effect.
  
  So it helps you understand the scale of the problem, and which levers to pull on.
  
  The weakness is that the media tend to focus on only the worst-case “if we do nothing” scenarios, and that a chunk of the public then panic about those worst-case “if we do nothing” scenarios.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:46am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

DESANTIS SLAMS THE MEDIA AND TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS BEEF WITH TRUMP.
The media have been stirring the pot for 4 years.
https://dfctoday.com/desantis-slams-the-media-and-tells-the-truth-about-his-beef-with-trump/
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February 13, 2022 8:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has warned U.S. law enforcement and public safety officials that a trucker convoy protest may begin in California on Super Bowl Sunday and end in Washington D.C. by late March.
Americans will outdo the Canadians.
https://dfctoday.com/dhs-is-worried-about-the-massive-trucker-convoy-going-mobile/
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February 13, 2022 8:32am
NeverMindTheBollocks

One person’s story.

I chose not to get vaxxed as I live in a part of the country pretty much unaffected to date by covid. Why not wait, see what happens & jump in when I need to, I thought to myself. Questions began to form about the Pfizer vax, so I thought I’d go with Novavax or Valneva when they were approved (taking longer than anticipated, chaps!).

Now that Omicron has popped up, I’m thinking that an infection & natural immunity is the way to go. I’m not looking forward to it because I don’t like being sick, but it is what it is.

For the record, I’m in good health (haven’t taken a day’s sick leave in years), not too far off retirement, work in a private sector role that’s been inconvenienced but no more by Covid & the mandate, & am well enough off via prudent savings to retire if I need to. I’ve also flogged myself at work across the pandemic & am a net tax payer by a country mile.

I wholeheartedly support the protest at parliament. I feel for those who have lost their jobs, fear mortgage foreclosure & so on – at an earlier stage of my life, that could have been me. I oppose the mandate because it’s fundamentally undemocratic. Had covid been ravaging the country like the Spanish’flu; or as the early images from Northern Italy suggested – well, different facts, different views. But it’s not.
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February 13, 2022 8:34am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks – given your age Omicron may hit you a bit harder than our great niece in Sydney who is mid 20’s but she says she has had far worse colds.
  
  Hope that is some consolation.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:49am
- virtualmark
  
  The “Omicron is like a bad head cold” narrative has a big asterisk.
  
  Omicron is like a bad head cold **if you are vaccinated**.
  
  Omicron has a pretty similar case fatality rate to Covid OG **if you are unvaccinated**. That’s why deaths in the US are running at about 3,000 per day, and why Aussie has got a regular run of 90-100 deaths per day too (to use just two examples).
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:52am
  - mawm
    
    I don’t agree with you. Deaths from covid always have a delay time of 3 – 4 weeks. Omicron is still quite new so how many of those Aussie deaths were from Delta infection? I note that there has been a big decline in their death numbers.
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:15pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Covid deaths in 2022 have been almost totally due to Omicron.
      
      Omicron emerged in South Africa in mid-Nov, and was the dominant strain through every country except NZ by the end of December.
      
      Omicron has about the same CFR (case fatality rate) as the original Covid strain. Unless you’re vaccinated.
      
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      February 13, 2022 1:15pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        From the RNZ site (using MOH figures)…:
        Vaccination status of total cases and hospitalisations since August 2021
        3343 under 12
        4443 unvaccinated aged 12+
        
        Total of 7,786 unvaccinated cases. (the vast majority of the under 12 total would be unvaccinated given they only recently started)
        
        10 unvaccinated deaths. Case Fatality Rate 0.13%.
        
        Covid-19 has an IFR of 1% and CFR of 2–3%. More recent data by the CDC and WHO, however, estimates that Covid-19 has an IFR of 0.65% and 0.5-1%, respectively.
        
        The flu has an IFR of 0.1% or lower and CFR of 2–3%.
        
        That study was from early 2020 arguing for lockdowns on the basis that even if the CFR and IFR of C-19 was no worse than the flu, the deaths would be greater because it was a novel, infectious virus.
        
        Two years later, by definition, that cannot be the case.
        
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        February 13, 2022 2:03pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Tom,
        
        To use statistics from the US … flu deaths average 36,000 a year, with the worst ever year (2017) having 61,000 deaths.
        
        Meanwhile in the US Covid deaths are running at well over 400,000 a year (ie 10x flu), with worst ever *month* (Jan 2021) being 105,000, and deaths from the “mild” Omicron currently running at about 90,000 a month.
        
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        February 13, 2022 7:06pm
Suze Wainwright

So a couple of fairly well-remunerated Pakeha Wellington public servants I know of – loyalists of the present regime, believers in the righteousness and necessity of lockdowns, mockers of podium deniers (and other conspiracy theorists), promoters of all things Te Ao Maori and deliverers of some of the best karakia you could hope to hear at team meetings – are now concerned to hear that their prized employment roles might be up for a ‘downsizing’ review in the coming year.

Well, well, well…
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February 13, 2022 8:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why do such bad things happen to such good sheeple?
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:06am
- DeepBlue
  
  That’s the best description of a Jacinda Loyalist I have ever read.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:13am
- Paulus
  
  I will only believe it when I see it – which I doubt will happe anhyway.
  Just usual Wellington PR bullshit.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rachel Maddow – nasty piece of work. Imagine if NZ presenters were like this, oh wait.
https://leadpatriot.com/garbage-maddow-busted-editing-clip-of-ron-desantis-see-for-yourself/15822/
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February 13, 2022 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Wasn’t it Maddow who, like Brenda in NZ, declared emphatically that the jab stops covid completely? How did that work out for both of them?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcHmQKKH2F8
  
  I can’t find the bit where Brenda says the vaccine works the same as the measles jab, seems to have been memory holed, but we all know she said it and someone will have a record of it.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:10am
  - covfefe
    
    Out of interest, why is she called Brenda?
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Let’s go Brenda should give you an idea
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:23am
      - Batman
        
        So a ridiculously stupid and unoriginal nickname?
        
        Get some better content you lot ?
        
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        February 13, 2022 11:49am
      - curry4me
        
        Ah, that had mystified me too. Now it’s obvious. It rhymes with Lets go, Brandon.
        
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        February 13, 2022 2:40pm
    - nathie
      
      https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/lets-go-brandon
      
      I think Clan first “trademarked” Brenda as the NZ equivalent on KB.
      
      Mind you there’s another variation out there = Brandern!
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘ How did that work out for both of them?’
    Well they are both liars so they just ignore any facts
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:25am
JibberJabber

Corporate Greenwashing in one image,
https://twitter.com/grant_farquhar/status/1492405761854820352

Thanks, Labour you useless …..
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February 13, 2022 8:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Superbowl to be upset by Freedom Trucker Convoy?
Americans have had a gutsful. Let’s go Brandon.
https://redrightpatriot.com/wing-prices-flying-high-as-biden-flation-takes-bite-out-of-super-bowl/
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February 13, 2022 8:44am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’d like to thank Trevor Mallard. His recent actions during the protest at parliament have not only reminded us of what a petty and mean spirited person he is, they also clearly illustrate the true nature of this government, which is callous towards those who are not its friends.

Irrespective of their views, the protesters are NZ citizens who have the right to express their opinions. That they have made the effort to travel to Wellington indicates the depth of their feelings. If protesting on the nation’s front lawn doesn’t encourage government politicians to step outside the Beehive to listen to them then they are not fit to hold office.
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February 13, 2022 8:45am
- pdm
  
  But but but – the Speaker of the House is neutral and not part of the government once he takes office.
  
  The DESPICABLE Mallard stomps over parliamentary convention in every way possible.
  
  Resign you cretin and make New zealand a better place.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:53am
  - Biscuit
    
    pm, it always amuses me that the Speaker ISN”T neutral.
    
    Surely there are a few retired Judges who could augment their incomes by being appointed to a panel from which, say, one might be drawn every month or so on a rotating basis.
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:26am
- curry4me
  
  Yes, he might unwittingly have become the protestors biggest asset.
  
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  February 13, 2022 2:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Macron refuses Russian Covis test. Does not want the Ruskies to have hid DNA.
Paranoid!
https://redrightpatriot.com/genetic-espionage-macron-refuses-russian-covid-test-over-dna-theft/
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February 13, 2022 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  *his DNA
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:03am
- virtualmark
  
  Smart man
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:55am
  - Batman
    
    Steve has fully absorbed the pro-Putin conditioning from the right wing media in the US.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Better than the left wing play school TV1, and the podium of truth. Two of the best sources and everything else is false?
      
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      February 13, 2022 2:25pm
- Clownworld
  
  Macron thinks he is a god. Jupiter.
  
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  February 14, 2022 2:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The above items I posted came to me via Email.
You will not see these on NZ media – all we get is propaganda about Brenda
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February 13, 2022 8:51am
nathie

Who would have thought the anti-mandate protests would expose the worst in lefties?

Bullying behavior is now on full display by Speaker Mallard (once a bully, always a bully, it seems when it comes to Mr Mallard).

First it was the sprinklers, then came the loud music to deter the protesters … what’s next?

Does Mallard, in the shallow recesses of his darkened mind, wish he can enact fellow (far) leftie Chris Trotter’s call for Police violence against the protesters?

Who would have thought “good ol’ commie” Trotter would be advocating State sanctioned violence against mainly peaceful protesters (bar the odd exceptions)?

Well he is, over at The Daily Blog, Trotter is deliberately mis-characterising the anti-mandate protesters as “anti-vaxxers” and ends his article (called “Move The Anti-Vaxxers On – Now”) with this sentence:

Let’s see what “a state of enforcement action” looks like.

If that’s not clear enough, over on his Bollwalley Road blogsite he ends another article (“Policing Protests: Then, And Now”) with a call for protesters to be beaten and killed:

Halting the anti-vaxxers in their tracks would require a level of force unseen in this country for decades. Some of the anti-vaxxer crowd would need more than a PR-24 to subdue them. The wholesale use of tasers, tear-gas and pepper-spray would be required. Even, ultimately, the use of deadly force.

Has the (political) Left gone mad? Trotter seems to have gone full Trotsky (and I’m surprised no one is calling him out).

I also had a quick look at The Standard the other day, I could only stomach a moment of scrolling through the comments of the lefties there, denigrating people’s right to protest!

It seems on the Left, only Martyn Bradbury is calling out the Speaker Mallard’s insane bully-boy tactics (and has been, for the last few days).

My goodness, what has the world come to when I agree with Martyn Bradbury! 😉
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/02/13/dear-jacinda-you-have-to-rein-trevor-in-or-hes-going-to-cause-an-insurrection/
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February 13, 2022 8:51am
- lastmanstanding
  
  80 years Herr Mallard would have been right at home in a certain European countries regime. He has all the attributes to be a Kamp Kommandant. He shows all the behaviours a Kamp Kommandant.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:50am
  - pdm
    
    lastman:
    
    As thick as Klink and Schultz augmented with the brutality of others.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:24am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Correction:
  The twelve days of Trevor Mallard v the protestors is missing a few lines Nathie
  
  First came directive to media, you must not talk to the protesters
  Second came a trespass notice, you must all go home
  Third came Police action, 120 arrests and images of over the top violence
  Fourth came sprinklers
  Fifth came loud speakers
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:57am
  - nathie
    
    Brilliant Pineapple Lumps, I like it!
    
    “The Twelve Days of Mallard” … it could be like “The Twelve Days of Christmas” and be sung by the protesters, with your various points included!
    
    (Can you squeeze in something about a ~~Partridge~~ Duck being stuck up somewhere?) 🙂
    
    (Maybe “and a Duck strutting around Parliaments balcony”…?)!
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Quite childish isn’t it? Bullying is not OK unless you are Trevor Mallard
    
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    February 13, 2022 2:27pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Remember Trev’s enquiry into bullying at parliament? How did that go?
      I think taxpayers got jammed half a mil in legal fees and compensation if I remember.
      And who was the bully, can’t quite remember, let me think …….
      Any leader who was committed to being kind and #metoo/#wetoo would have sacked his sorry ass.
      
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      February 13, 2022 4:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

One more:
Killary to make a comeback in 2024? Some say she is more popular than Biden, they are probably right if the numbers are counted fairly and correctly.
https://www.morningpress.net/hillary-seems-to-stage-comeback-to-vie-for-democrats-2024-nomination/?utm_placement=MPNews&utm_source=%5Bsource%5D&utm_campaign=%5Bcampaign%5D
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February 13, 2022 8:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Steve – to be fair, it would be hard not to be more popular than Brandon.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He has 81 million supporters you know//
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:31am
- lastmanstanding
  
  What a turn up if we had a re run of Trump vs Hilary in 2024. Popcorn time in the extreme.
  
  The thought of those two going at it hammer and tongs!!!!! Please let it happen.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It would be awesome to watch her spit the binky and have a thermonuclear meltdown.
    Bring it on
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:32am
- virtualmark
  
  Solid prediction: None of Trump, Hilary or Biden will be on the Presidential ticket in 2024.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    #Trump 2024. He will be there. Solid prediction
    
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    February 13, 2022 2:30pm
Hugh Jarse

Serious question – given Mallards current use of totalitarian tactics against the protesters and the Labour/Green leadership escalating intolerance of dissent, how far will they go to try and move these people ?.
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February 13, 2022 8:58am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Herr Mallard will be itching to bring in the Army with water cannon and rubber bullets.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:51am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    That should make for interesting viewing, watching normal everyday oldsters, kids, women, etc getting water blasted and shot with rubber bullets. With any luck you could see ex police officer Matt King get the treatment.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:26am
  - peterwn
    
    As a matter of principle the current Government would not want to call in the Army. This would cause significant political damage. The objective is to minimise longer term political damage and how to do this is quite a dilemma. The lazy option is to hope the whole thing will blow over in the next week. If the hope is fulfilled political damage may be minimised. As I see it a big risk is the protest spreading meaning that more people and businesses are affected and the bus system is severely disrupted.
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:26pm
- mawm
  
  I think we have to wait and see what the orders are for Justin and Scott before Jacinda gets hers.
  
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  February 13, 2022 12:37pm
Cassandra

If Hilary Clinton is the best that the Democrats can do, which seems likely, then I feel sorry for America. It’s quite possible that she will win, so I’d feel even more sorry. Oh for two good candidates. I like the cut of the jib of Pompeo (No 1 at West Point) but we m sure there are others.
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February 13, 2022 9:10am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Try Ron de Santis, Cassandra. He’d be a bloody great choice. And would wipe the floor with Clinton. Trump was right about one thing, she’s a loser. And the stench of corruption hangs over her heavily.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:33am
  - mawm
    
    I agree about De Santis. The Dems are already worried about him hence the lies about the Trump – De Santis break up. Pompeo has the question about his being a CIA plant in the Trump Administration hanging over his head.
    
    If Hillary runs you know the Dems have secured adequate voting fraud for her to win.
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The beef between Trump and DeSantis is fiction from the rabid left media
      
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      February 13, 2022 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She will only win if she cheats. Dominion voting machines and other brands should be outlawed. So should those banning the vote counting watchers.
  Trouble is Democrats are so blatant about it.
  eg: mail in ballots should have a crease fold if they were mailed in. Boxes and boxes of them had no fold
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:37am
  - Batman
    
    Steve you have an unparalleled ability to believe literally anything you read on this topic.
    
    You’re a walking case study in cognitive dissonance my friend.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:59am
    - mawm
      
      A friend once told me that to be a leftist there is a lot that you have to pretend you do not know. He might be correct.
      
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      February 13, 2022 12:42pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Has anyone seen a ‘black pot and kettle’ lately?
      
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      February 13, 2022 12:53pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There is one close by
        
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        February 13, 2022 3:05pm
- virtualmark
  
  Hilary won’t even put her name forward. And the DNC know that she is too polarising to win an election so there’s no way she’d come through to win the nomination. So Steve’s idea that “Kilary” (lol) will make a comeback in 2024 is just a fever dream.
  
  I seriously doubt Biden will put his name forward either. He’s a one-term “course correction” President.
  
  So it will come down to a new generation of Democrat politicians. Harris and Buttigieg are likely the front runners. I’m not aware of a Democrat state governor who has the profile, charisma and track record to come through.
  
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  February 13, 2022 3:05pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Possibly Gavin Newsom (ugh).
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:42pm
ClanMcleod

I might have missed a comment about it, but late on last night I read about the duck ordering the speakers to be played loudly at parliament. I heard the plan was to play them right through the night. Playing the Macarana and Covd jab ads. First thing I thought was Apocalypse now and the Vietcong tormenting the American GIs in the jungle. It will only make the resolve stronger. Mallard is not only a bully and a thug, he is incredibly stupid.
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February 13, 2022 9:15am
- graham
  
  I commented on this last night (sorry, on my phone so can’t link easily). Couple of points.
  
  Firstly, Mallard said: “We wanted to make sure everybody here had the warning about trespass and because of the number of unvaccinated people in the audience, we believe it’s important to promulgate messages about vaccination.”
  
  Which got me wondering … so how, exactly, does Mr Mallard know what “the number of unvaccinated people in the audience” is? Or is he just making stuff up … as usual?
  
  Secondly … is this the same Trevor Mallard who, a couple of years ago, launched an independent review into bullying and harassment of staff at Parliament? Maybe he should look up the meaning of the word “ironic”.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Actually, the word he should be looking up is “hypocrisy”…
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:23am
    - nathie
      
      Perhaps he then can look up the word “tyrant” (but not for admiration purposes)!
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mallard, go have a chat with Jaspinda and ask her to repeat her lie.
    “On Tuesday Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern went a step further, saying not only will there be no forced vaccinations, but those who choose to opt-out won’t face any penalties at all.”
    Sept 2020.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-confident-enough-kiwis-will-get-covid-19-vaccine-for-herd-immunity-without-being-forced-to.html
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:42am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Herr Mallard is a thug a bully and prone to violent physical assault. He is a dangerous person and should not be approached.
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:53am
- Master Mariner
  
  First thing I thought about was Guatanomo Bay and Whats next?
  
  Rendering and Water Boarding.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:45am
Biscuit

Am watching Q&A…

Good God, Tame Jack has just finished interviewing a coherent, logical Auckland academic.

I had no idea there were such…
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February 13, 2022 9:18am
- pdm
  
  Are you sure you are awake and it is not a nightmare.
  
  BTW you could catch something nasty watching Jack Tame – be careful.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:55am
  - Biscuit
    
    Pdm, you know I can tolerateMOST things…
    
    Except, of course, Red Greens voters; Manchester United fans; Sportspersons who wear uniform-inappropriate multi-coloured boots;
    Justin Bieber, Bono and assorted other ‘Merchants of Noise’; or Quade Bloody Cooper…
    
    Mr Tame isn’t on that List of Deplorables.
    Yet…
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Best go have a checkup and test. You may be asymptomatic to Tame-2022
      
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      February 13, 2022 10:45am
Sean OConnor

Who else would like to shamelessly beg DPF to do a real poll on support / opposition for mandates and their end dates?

Why is the central political question in this country never polled?

DPF, what would it cost to get a very small poll?
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February 13, 2022 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Why is the central political question in this country never polled?”
  Because all truth comes from the socialist left, just poll in the right districts
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:47am
- curry4me
  
  Beg, grovel, wheedle. Count me in.
  
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  February 13, 2022 2:52pm
Joe Hunt

When the National party emails me next Im going to suggest they promote Maureen Pugh and Harete Hipango to the front bench next to Simon.
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February 13, 2022 9:28am
- MCōs
  
  I doubt anyone will sit next to Mrs P going by the frequency she is struck by lightening.
  
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  February 13, 2022 4:24pm
JibberJabber

? ?
https://twitter.com/blairdrysdale77/status/1492374444484198401
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February 13, 2022 9:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

They just keep getting crazier. None in NZ yet – oh wait a mo.
https://rumble.com/vuobzv-woke-activist-says-eating-hamburgers-is-sexist.html?
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February 13, 2022 9:37am
- Tarquin North
  
  She looks a bit much like Helen Clark for my liking. Sounds more than a bit like her as well.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:04am
nathie

In essence HDPA writes about Speaker Mallard’s Authoritarian Bully-Boy tactics (over media coverage) and social cohesion breaking down if Labour (Ardern/Robertson/Mallard) continue to mismanage the vaccine mandate issue.

Apparently, Mallard did not instruct media to stay on the balcony. It was a “request” based on health and safety concerns. But again, judge for yourself.

A member of the press gallery did venture out in spite of this “request”. Disclaimer: it was NewstalkZB’s Political Editor Barry Soper. He’s both my colleague and my husband so I freely admit my bias here.
After spotting Barry out among the protesters on Wednesday, Mallard called the press gallery’s deputy chair to remind him of the “request” that media not use the forecourt to meet the protesters. This request was repeated to Barry, who ignored it and went out a second time that afternoon. Mallard then called the press gallery’s chair to remind her of the “request”. Again, it was passed on to Barry. If a “request” is repeatedly given without solicitation, it starts to look like an instruction.
Mallard should consider the chilling effect he may be having on members of the media, given the power he wields in that building, including the ability to withdraw permission to work in the gallery. It is notable that at least one newsroom dispatched reporters who don’t work in Parliament to cover the protest on the ground, while their press gallery colleagues stayed on the balcony.
Mallard should also consider that the duty of care for the safety of members of the media actually lies with the editors those media report to, not with him.
Finally – and most importantly – he should consider the message this sends to the protesters. TVNZ reporter Kristin Hall observed and tweeted that “protesters are resentful of media standing above them on the parly balcony”. Many of them are already so steeped in conspiracies that they believe the mainstream media are censoring their views and are paid off by the Government. It’s hardly helpful for Mallard to reinforce the conspiracy nonsense by essentially restricting media movement.

HDPA ends her article with:

We’re currently witnessing a breakdown in the country’s social cohesion. The pandemic is widening divisions. The passion behind this protest is proof. We all know the only way to avoid that getting worse is to understand each other. But we won’t understand each other unless we talk to each other.
That’s the role of the media. Reporters are meant to report. In order to report, they need to talk to people.
As angry and disruptive as some of those protesters were, they’re still our fellow Kiwis. As Speaker, Mallard should be doing everything to try to help heal divisions, not make them worse.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/heather-du-plessis-allan-the-fine-line-between-advice-and-instruction/YZEGJERTPN5I3ZWMP4UQ53ZY3M/

HDPA is on the money again. For goodness sake Labour (Ardern/Robertson/Mallard), please “change tack” and make meaningful adjustments (or scrap) the vaccine mandate issue, both for your sake (as the nation’s leadership) and for NZ society.

As pointed out by many here, vaccine mandates and vaccine passports don’t stop the spread of Omicron. With Omicron being “mild”, why isn’t the Govt prioritising protecting the vulnerable and those with health concerns, instead of holding the nation captive?

It has been said that this Labour govt is the most divisive in NZ’s recent history. The Left and MSM usually scoff at these (“right-wing”) remarks … but as the likes of HDPA points out in her article NZ’s social cohesion has been damaged – good hard working and professional people have lots their jobs (and some their houses) because for whatever reason they do not want to be fully jabbed.

For some they have genuine health reasons (eg bad reactions to the initial vaccine shots), or they may be awaiting for alternative vaccines to be “MoH approved” (again why is the govt so slow on approving alternative vaccines – it seems like another example of their dithering and incompetence being played out).

But at the end of the day we must not have a divided and segregated society – Labour (Ardern/Robertson/Mallard) your current approach is further enabling this and it needs to stop.
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February 13, 2022 9:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  at the end of the day we must not have a divided and segregated society
  
  Divide and rule – tactic used by bullies and tyrants since forever.
  
  Clearly Labour of today have little understanding of the tactics of how to unite a team.
  
  As any sports coach knows, once the team has lost trust in the Captain/leader it’s a downward spiral.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:32am
- BananaLlama
  
  Many of them are already so steeped in conspiracies that they believe the mainstream media are censoring their views and are paid off by the Government.
  
  hardly a conspiracy at all, it is a public fact.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Buy American – and he spends US$1.2B on Covid tests from China.
https://rumble.com/vu28w9-biden-says-buy-american-after-spending-1.2-billion-on-chinese-masks.html?
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February 13, 2022 10:02am
Rusty

Heard Einstein say a couple of days ago the protests in Welly would be a super spreader event.

Just like he said about the Olympics last year and just like he says about full crowds at sports and other events around the world.

Yet nothing ever happens but our PM takes advice from him.

Mark our PM’s words “Hundreds of Nzers are expected to die from Omicron”

Will our media hold her to account just like the 80,000 covid deaths she predicted in 2020?

All the best to the protesters in Wellington,I live in Auckland can’t get down there.
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February 13, 2022 10:08am
- PeeJay
  
  still waiting for the covid case count from waitangi weekend to be update to 50,000/day – I mean, it was predicted and the predictions have been so, so accurate thus far haven’t they?
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:23am
Maggie Pie

Apologies for the lateness of this post…only just got back inside from a wonderfully refreshing swim in the pool.
Still 25 here at the moment despite Cyclone Dovi.

Heard them saying on the News trees were down, cars damaged, and now they’ve even closed the Harbor Bridge!!

Actually realised something was up earlier on…..i must have removed at least 10 huge Magnolia leaves from the skimmers.
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February 13, 2022 10:33am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the rain has raised my pool level to such an extent I had to partially drain it to the farm behind me. Needless to say the sheep stopped grazing for a moment to observe the waterfall.
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:44am
- Biscuit
  
  Same here in New Zealand’s Riviera, Maggie…
  
  Belying the media’s ‘PANIC! PANIC! WEATHER IS HAPPENING!’ reports, I looked outside when I got out of the cot and observed that there was a persistent drizzle drizzling persistently but that none of our trees were down.
  
  There WAS a wee puddle on a section of the lawn (that I need to level out sometime this coming decade) but the birds splashing about in it seemed to be enjoying such…
  
  I ‘braved’ the perfectly-still wind conditions to take some bread out for those birds…
  
  That nutter ‘expert’ in the drainpipe trousers on One News who keeps telling me ‘I’ll be back with the forecast for your place after Sport’ is about as reliable an ‘expert’ on my place’s weather as are the ‘experts’ Jacinda relies on for Covid models…
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bit of wind here…32C and humid as hell..and the hubby is wandering around in his grundies (yet again!)
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:35am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! Sounds like my partner…..he’s laying on the couch with his hand inside his.
    
    I’m making lunch.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We ventured out for lunch.
      
      (Hubby in trou and Hawaiian shirt)
      I must admit we are rather enjoying this phase of the pandemic since the virus has hit Gizzy. Many of the locals and tourists have stopped eating out..so we don’t have to fight for a table and service is pretty rapid.
      (just hope our custom is enough to keep the poor buggas in business)
      
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      February 13, 2022 2:25pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Ours was a more somber affair unfortunately.
        My partner wandered into the kitchen to grab a hunk of ham off the bench.
        He got the shits when he saw I was buttering the bread with ‘Olivani Lite’.
        
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        February 13, 2022 3:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was buttering the bread with ‘Olivani Lite’.
        
        What are you playing at?
        
        Make sure you’ve got a large life insurance policy on the old boy, then load him up with full fat salted butter, cream, and stodge.
        
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        February 13, 2022 3:34pm
Inandout

Mallard has stated his overnight music has been fully supported by inner city apartment dwellers. Has he contacted every resident to gain approval or just winged it?
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February 13, 2022 10:41am
- Biscuit
  
  I doubt that very much, Inandout.
  
  The Brooklyn residents, miles away, moaned bitterly when the then Westpac Trust Stadium dared suggest a few concerts be staged there.
  
  Be curious to hear what The Duck’s view was back then!
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Winging it – he has SPCA
  
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  February 13, 2022 3:12pm
Sean OConnor

John Durham may actually have the goods.

He’s just filed a charge that the DNC’s lawyers used government IT to spy on the internet traffic of the Office of the President while Trump was POTUS.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/02/12/john-durham-drops-a-shock-and-awe-filing-about-spying-on-donald-trump-n521239
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February 13, 2022 10:43am
- Batman
  
  You’ll be disappointed to learn that the organisation that was responsible for US govt network cybersecurity and did so under both Obama and Trump administrations. And that those networks include the executive branch offices.
  
  A huge nothingburger.
  
  Durham is finding it oh so easy to get excited stories from the red meat media.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:05am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Sure, it’s a nothingburger when the internet traffic of the President is tracked by non government actors hostile to the President.
    Totally normal.
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:46pm
Maggie Pie

“No one marched when I was elected”

– Jacinda Ardern to Donald Trump.
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February 13, 2022 10:48am
- Biscuit
  
  If only:
  
  ‘I never cancelled any of my weddings’
  
  – Donald Trump to Jacinda Ardern
  
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  February 13, 2022 10:58am
  - pdm
    
    In good form this morning Biscuit.
    
    Did Liverpool win last night?
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:35am
    - Biscuit
      
      Nah, but they have two games up ahead:
      
      3am tomorrow at Burnley
      9am Thursday at Inter Milan
      
      I’ll add your name to the people I will remind at 2.55am tomorrow lest you forget to wake up…
      
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      February 13, 2022 12:37pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Only 58 minutes to go.
        
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        February 14, 2022 2:03am
Tony Stuart

From the Parliament website:

The Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives is the highest officer elected by the House. The position is third most important constitutionally, after the Governor-General and the Prime Minister.

The Speaker is the Member of Parliament that the House of Representatives chooses to communicate with the Sovereign on its behalf. The Speaker’s role includes chairing meetings in the House and certain select committees. The Speaker acts as landlord for Parliament’s buildings and represents the House to international and other important visitors.

The sentence in bold is key; Mallard is Parliament’s conduit to the Governor-General and the Queen. It is an important role, which requires a certain level of dignity and gravitas.

Mallard’s behaviour in the last week has been anything but dignified, and his decisions to turn on the sprinklers overnight on Friday, and last night try to blast the protesters out with cheesy music are attracting international attention and ridicule.

There are a whole lot of Mallard memes doing the rounds at the moment. I saw one last night which had three photos; a packet of beef stock, a packet of chicken stock, each self-explanatory, and a photo of Mallard on his office balcony the other day. That one is captioned Laughing Stock.

Mallard’s position as Speaker is untenable. If he does not resign, the Prime Minister must take steps to have him replaced On returning to Parliament tomorrow, National and Act need to lodge a Notice of Motion expressing No Confidence in the Speaker. He is simply unfit to continue in this important constitutional role.

Mallard must go.
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February 13, 2022 10:56am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Herr Mallard is playing right into the hands of those who want to the Ardern regime crushed. The fringe Ardern regime supporters who value freedom should be appalled and as Herr Mallard is closely connected to the Ardern regime he is one of them.
  One hopes the Ardern regime suffers a significant fall in the next polls into the 20s preferably low 20s as a result of Herr Mallards gross behaviour.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:03am
- kowtow
  
  Surely hypocrite is another reason.
  
  Those protesters have a right to be on the lawn.
  
  A right , apparently established in part by the case law around the arrest and acquital of Mallard himself there in a 1977 protest .
  
  Not only that , his sneaky conniving control of the Gallery press ( see HDPA today’s Herald)
  
  These facts must be repeated until the media take up the challenge and treat that tyrant in the way they treated Mr Trump.
  
  Daily ridicule , fact check , constant sniping .
  
  Surely our Speaker’s abuse of power is more relevant to us than anything Trump ever said or did .
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:05am
  - Batman
    
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    They’ve been trespassed, so no longer have any right to be there.
    
    You’re right to connect these protesters with Trump, they’re suffering from the same kind of delusional victim mentality despite their own actions having caused the criticism.
    
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    February 13, 2022 11:09am
    - kowtow
      
      By all accounts they have not been “trespassed” .For that , I’m told they need to serve notice on the individual.
      
      You also ignore my point of their right to protestt there .
      
      And no I do not connect the freedom protesters with Mr Trump , I connect the media’s double standard to their obsession with him as opposed to their ignoring the abuse of power by mallard .
      
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      February 13, 2022 12:09pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        I think your right kt – from what I picked up from the MSM reports (may not be reliable 🙂 ) on the Court appearance for some of those arrested on Thursday they have been issued the individual trespass orders as a part of their bail conditions, His notice that says what can’t be done finishes with
        ” The breach of ………………. may result in trespass notices being issued.
        
        Suspect Police might have issued some on the spot on Thursday for “lack of actions” with immediate arrest as ploy to get them of the site.
        
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        February 13, 2022 1:12pm
      - kowtow
        
        70and
        
        It will be very interesting to see if someone can be “trespassed” from a place they have a legal , constitutional right to be .
        
        I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the fallout from this goes all the way up our court system for clarification etc
        
        The right to protest is so fundamental to a healthy functioning democracy ,just like an independent ,questioning media holding power to account . Cos we’ve lost that with all this Cindy bail out money for ’em.
        
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        February 13, 2022 1:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who owns the land the protestors are on?
      
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      February 13, 2022 3:17pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Well, presuming citizenship, they do (in part).
        
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        February 13, 2022 10:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I loved all the mallard decoys in the parliamentary ditches.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:37am
- nathie
  
  TS – fantastic write up and I endorse your calls for National and ACT to lodge a Notice of Motion expressing No Confidence in the Speaker.
  
  It could also be that National and ACT might find support from an “unlikely” ally, that of the Parliamentary Press Gallery.
  
  As per Heather du Plessis-Allan article in the NZH today (“The fine line between advice and instruction”), Speaker Mallard is controlling and restricting the Parliamentary Press Gallery reporters from talking to the crowd. This is an affront to not only democracy, but to “Press Freedoms”.
  
  If the Parliamentary Press Gallery realise that National and ACT “have their backs” with such a motion, perhaps all of the media will be able to free themselves from Mallards (and Labours) Jackboots and report the “people’s views” (instead of Labour’s controlled messaging)?
  
  National and ACT = Bring It On!
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:43am
  - Nickc2
    
    To say Mallard has overstepped the mark would be an understatement! A ‘Bovva-Boy’ through and through.
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:24pm
  - curry4me
    
    Don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen. National and ACT agree with Mallard about the protestors.
    
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    February 13, 2022 3:01pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Tony: “National and ACT lodging a motion expressing no confidence..”
  Pfffh.. good laugh. Hell freezing over anyone?
  
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  February 13, 2022 2:11pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    They did it last year too. It won’t get anywhere, because a single MP can object to the motion being debated. But it would be unprecedented in my years of watching Parliament for a SZpeaker to have two no confidence motions against him/her in a single term of Parliament
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/his-behaviour-is-not-up-to-the-job-national-prepares-vote-of-no-confidence-in-speaker-trevor-mallard-over-false-rapist-claims/CJEDOGLD5MBX5NB76HRCGURVLM/
    
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    February 13, 2022 4:00pm
Close Hen Counters

My son’s 19 year old friend is ditching Auckland uni where he is doing a double major in economics and finance to complete his degree at the university of Melbourne – Like many, these kids are sick of home schooling their university degrees for another semester or more and he believes there will be more job opportunity in oz (I completely agree with him) …. Brain drain at all levels thanks Cindy. I wonder if the universities of Otago and Auckland who have both stipulated home schooling for the first semester at least are going to reduce the fees? Yeah nah
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February 13, 2022 10:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ Universities teach Marxism well …..
  
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  February 13, 2022 3:19pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I hate to break this to you but Victoria is run by an even bigger f#$!#%t !!! This is mostly because central Melbourne is a magnet for loony left posers. If it’s possible I would suggest a state not now run by the loony left and not likely to be in the future!
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:52pm
Maggie Pie

And check out some of the responses to this Tweet from the Pink Bat 😀

https://twitter.com/SiouxsieW/status/1492210220583776256
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February 13, 2022 11:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One comment says ‘fairly balanced’
  Seriously? Words from the pink terror balanced?
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:19am
- graham
  
  White supremacists are using the pandemic as a recruitment tool. This is serious and disturbing and can’t be ignored.
  
  Hmm, reading this, what’s the phrase I’m looking for? Oh yes … “sounds like a conspiracy theory“!
  
  Welcome to the dark side, Siouxsie! 🙂
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:20am
- Hollyfield
  
  I couldn’t believe the number of white supremacists waving the tino rangitiratanga flag yesterday.
  
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  February 13, 2022 12:19pm
- BananaLlama
  
  White supremacists are using the pandemic as a recruitment tool.
  
  Someone had better inform Brain Tamaki he is a White Supremacist now. Siouxsie Wiles is a Doctor, she spent years of her life learning at a university, Taxpayers have spent millions of dollars on her education and employment and this is the result. LMAO. Our Prime Minister who also has a university degree and was elected by Majority vote takes advice directly from this women as well, AHAHAHAHAHA! all we need is for them to come out on stage driving a clown cart and start honking air horns.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:29pm
westernScientest

Random thought: I wonder if the NZ tax payer is on the hook for the licencing fees of the music mallard is pumping out at ‘Rhythm and Parliament”
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February 13, 2022 11:02am
- oldfella
  
  I hope Trev’s personal Barry Manilow song selection includes I Made It Through The Rain which would be a great crowd anthem for such a gathering… 😉
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfMhFnm-9S8
  
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  February 13, 2022 12:13pm
- MCōs
  
  He can play whatever he likes, including the collected speeches of Matt King.
  The problem comes if somebody broadcasts them, as I understand the situation.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:08pm
  - kowtow
    
    Can he make noise that disturbs , or is he above the law.
    
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    February 13, 2022 1:49pm
nathie

So let’s analyse Labour’s tactics here.

As usual Jacinda Ardern has “been disappeared” (from media scrutiny).

As usual when the heat is on the PM, Grant Robertson steps up (and deflects the media with his usual “nah it’s all conspiracy theories” tripe).

It’s pretty obvious that Grant is “in-charge” whilst Jacinda takes the weekend off to rest and recuperate. After all he is Deputy and the MP for Wellington Central, so he has more than a vested interest in “managing” these protests.

Of course Speaker Mallard is in charge of Parliament, so also has a vested interest in “managing” these protests, but has direct lines to the likes of Police hierarchy etc. He’s in a very powerful position, naturally.

So Mallard “fronts” these protests and you can bet that he is consultation with Robertson over tactics (let Robbo “refute” that to the media if they dare ask – but he is the Deputy and is the MP for Welly Central, so clearly a key player)!

Anyway this all gives us an insight into the “new” Labour Party/Govt when Ardern steps down because of the pressure and brand damage her reputation is suffering (both internally and more importantly overseas eyes looking in).

So one does not have to imagine a Labour Party/Govt with Robbo (and Mallard) in charge (and without Ardern) … we are all witnessing it now and it isn’t pretty and it isn’t decent and it is most definitely not “kind” …
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February 13, 2022 11:17am
- DeepBlue
  
  Andrew Little will soften the rough edges.
  
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  February 13, 2022 11:34am
  - nathie
    
    Heh for a day or two … then goes Full Angry mode!
    
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    February 13, 2022 12:08pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Agree Nathie, and the backbenchers will be getting exceedingly nervous, it will back to teaching or some low level union job for them next year, but when the spill comes will it be Grant, Ayesha, Marja or Andrew ?.
  
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  February 13, 2022 12:03pm
- Its only I
  
  Recinda is nothing more than the marketing dept for a dodgy brand.
  
  The big mistake Labour have made is assuming those in the protests are not Labour or Green voters.
  
  What the opposition should be doing is making sure Jacinda can’t stay above and safely isolated from the effects of Labours destructive “divide and dominate” politics has had on its own voter base.
  
  Destroy that cynical, fake, caring, safety blanket providing image Labour have spent years and millions creating and Labour are done. Done like a mite treated with diatomaceous earth.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There is something seriously wrong with this man.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/dr-faucis-niaid-spent-478188-to-turn-monkeys-transgender/?
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February 13, 2022 12:12pm
DeepBlue

Stuff seem to have dropped reporting on the weekend’s super booster numbers.

I guess the quickly arranged weekend was to try and out number the protesters. There is more free stuff and festivities at Parliament though.
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February 13, 2022 12:19pm
curry4me

https://www.rebelnews.com/secret_recording_ontario_ending_passports

SECRET RECORDING: Ontario Premier Doug Ford will announce tomorrow he’s ‘pulling these passports’.

The dramatic about-face from Ford comes as thousands of truckers across Canada have engaged in peaceful protests, including blocking the Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Windsor. [This wouldn’t have happened if there weren’t a couple of trucks in Ottowa.]
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February 13, 2022 12:27pm
curry4me

I understand the Law Society have made their large car park in [deleted] available for the protestors. Good for them. No more lawyer jokes from me.
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February 13, 2022 12:28pm
- kowtow
  
  It will be very interesting to see exactly what the arrestees are charged with ,given they have a right to be there .
  Also wouldn’t it be lovely to see some human rights barrister types do some pro bono for these martyrs , for that is what they are .
  
  Political arrests , at the hands of a hypocritical Speaker.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:09pm
curry4me

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1036738276889287/?multi_permalinks=1047325562497225&notif_id=1644299546601514&notif_t=group_highlights&ref=notif [Private Group]

So, not all the action has been in [deleted]. There was a FR protest in Christchurch yesterday.

[Once was enough – no more. mod.]
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February 13, 2022 12:29pm
curry4me

It loks like one or two protestors are headed to Canberra. I wonder how many of us have rellies amongst them?
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1492337338328186880

Protest in Canberra on Saturday.
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February 13, 2022 12:30pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

With the number of violent ‘incidents’ being reported in the Horrid every day….who in their right mind would venture out in Auckland after 9 at night anynore?

Looking back, it all turned to shit not long after Pantsdown Brown was elected…..followed of course by six long years of Goof.

One can only imagine what it will be like if we end up with a Fa’anana as Mayor 🙁

“MOLLOY IS OUR BOY!!”
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February 13, 2022 12:58pm
- MCōs
  
  I don’t believe for a moment that you never go out after 9pm.
  
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  February 13, 2022 1:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    True dat. But we do tend to stay in the Hood though.
    Once a week we dine at the Thai Village till quite late.
    You guys been there Cossie? Best Thai outside of Nana Plaza my partner reckons.
    
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    February 13, 2022 1:59pm
    - MCōs
      
      We tend to avoid Thai restaurants in NZ unless we know the owners. A lot of them are sub par.
      My wife prefers her own cooking and when we eat out it some other cuisine.
      
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      February 13, 2022 4:16pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I think one of the girls there knows you guys Cossie.
        Mentioned your name once to Chantana….. she smiled and nodded about ten times.
        
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        February 13, 2022 6:30pm
Jimmy Brown

How embarassing for the pink haired one.

Wellington District Commander Superintendent Corrie Parnell debunks claims of “far-right” involvement in the protests at Parliament.

https://twitter.com/ZeitgeistNZ/status/1492623515618398209
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February 13, 2022 1:24pm
Lee C

Our society has stolen two years of our childrens’ lives.
https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/neil-oliver-in-covid-lockdowns-we-didnt-put-kids-first/225001
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February 13, 2022 1:38pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Our kids are being psychologically scarred by this, which is particularly reprehensible given that they are at the least risk.
  
  “What do school kids think of the mask mandate?”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XolvjPPLsI
  
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  February 13, 2022 6:03pm
WaveyDavey

Anyone understand what Hooton’s up to?

Calling for violence on twitter, quite bizarre

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/1492665363708153856?s=20&t=MDelbeIQ3_p9hluKXWHI0w
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February 13, 2022 2:01pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Openly displaying his latent crypto-fascism?
  
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  February 13, 2022 6:04pm
  - andydownhere
    
    What is this barded wire he speaks of? He has obviously never dealt with it. Its barbed wire. Not nice stuff.
    
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    February 13, 2022 10:33pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Exercising his right to display knee-jerk low-resolution thinking?
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Trevor Mallard still playing Loud Music?

If so, it might pay to get hold of a sound-level meter and measure the sound level at the boundary of Parliament’s precinct.

The City Council District plan specifies the permitted sound levels for the city business area and the inner residential area.
(not to exceed 40dB (LAeq -15 min) between 10pm-7am (maximum permitted 65dB)

https://wellington.govt.nz/~/media/your-council/plans-policies-and-bylaws/district-plan/volume01/files/v1chap34standards.pdf?la=en
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February 13, 2022 2:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sadly, I expect Parliament will be exempt. WCC regulations are for the little people.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, Jacinda

covid is going exponential…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127759745/covid19-810-new-daily-community-cases-reported-in-omicron-outbreak
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February 13, 2022 2:11pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  I wonder if the Ministry is having difficulty deciphering quack quack code. I’m sure “evidence” of a super spreader event occurring would be just what he wanted to justify some more “action”. The pet epidemiologists were pushing the code days ago.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/02/coronavirus-latest-on-parliament-protest-covid-19-omicron-outbreak-sunday-february-13.html
  “2:09 The ministry has not provided a regional update on Sunday. They have given an update on the Wellington protest:
  
  There are a number of rumours circulating about possible cases of COVID-19 linked to the protest at Parliament Grounds in Wellington.
  
  Wellington’s Regional Public Health Unit has confirmed that there are currently no notified positive cases linked to the protest. However, we encourage everyone to be vigilant and to get a test if they become unwell with symptoms of COVID-19.”
  
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  February 13, 2022 3:10pm
kevn

@Maggy… Are we at the 50,000 yet? That was the modelers ‘guess’ a week ago.
Masking 8+ yo kids must be working //
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February 13, 2022 2:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No… but I’ll do the maths for you…
  
  if we are at 810 new cases today then we have 6 more doubling times to take us up to 51,840 cases/day.
  
  Of course folks may not be coming in for testing and there could well be 2500 new cases today…… in which case…we could be at 50,000 new cases in just over 4 doubling times…
  
  so, perhaps next weekend or by the end of the month at the latest (unless those boosters have kicked in!)
  
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  February 13, 2022 2:40pm
  - virtualmark
    
    The case number is growing at about 19% per day, which is a doubling every 4 days.
    
    The hospitalisation number is growing, but it’s still a little early to calculate a sensible growth rate (because of the lag between infection > case > hospitalisation). I’d expect the number of hospitalisations to begin to ramp up late this coming week.
    
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    February 13, 2022 3:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Lordy, we are well off the mark…
      The experts reckon the true covid numbers could be 10X larger than those being reported…( I had guestimated 3 X).
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127761338/covid19-infection-rate-could-be-ten-times-reported-case-numbers-epidemiologist-says
      
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      February 13, 2022 7:25pm
      - alloytoo
        
        The only number worth worrying about now is ICU capacity.
        
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        February 13, 2022 10:50pm
kowtow

Who checks this stuff

from newstalkzb

‘Claire Trevett: Is there an end in site for the protest?’

I never saw that coming ,see wot I mean.
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February 13, 2022 2:42pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Surely the end would be in sight?
  Maybe Claire isn’t really all that sharp?
  
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  February 13, 2022 5:51pm
- jon
  
  Product of Lange’s Tomorrow Schools no doubt.
  
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  February 13, 2022 7:46pm
Yvette

Yesterday –
454 community cases; number of tests total (last 24 hours): 24,820
rate cases per 1,000 : 18.29

Today –
810 community cases; number of tests total (last 24 hours): 22,196
rate cases per 1,000 : 36.49

Seems just a decimal point or two shy of double

But Newshub has their headline priorities right –
Watch live: Stalemate continues outside Parliament, Mallard accepts James Blunt offer, big spike in cases with 810 new infection
– in mentioning Mr Sprinkler getting his priorities right
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February 13, 2022 2:49pm
- cmm
  
  Yvette: The stats will change from this point on because they are now asking asymptomatic people to not get tested.
  
  This, of course, means that the positive rate is going to go up.
  
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  February 13, 2022 5:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A Lying Government

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/12/lies-lies-and-more-lies-a-government-built-on-lies-is-incapable-of-anything-else

Now will we ever read a similar post on our Government?
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February 13, 2022 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

VALENTINES DAY tomorrow.
We were having lunch and my partner asked me what I wanted?
I certainly had no intention of falling for that old trick again.
He asked me the same thing last year, and I said “Something with diamonds”
The prick bought me a deck of Cards.
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February 13, 2022 3:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My partner will get a card and a plastic rose for the 36th time. Yep, we still have it, and the card has original date
  
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  February 13, 2022 3:27pm
  - MCōs
    
    So you buy yourself three houses, five cars & two boats and ‘she’ gets a recycled plastic rose.
    
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    February 13, 2022 4:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yup – and she loves it. Even us white supremacists have compassion for a part Pacific Islander.
      I guess you will never understand – go away
      
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      February 13, 2022 5:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Over on YSB they’ve identified some new geographical features in Wellington City:

Mallard Swamp, Camp Ducky and Lake Mallard.
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February 13, 2022 3:44pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  There’s also a Mallard Bridge across one of the drainage channels dug by the protesters. BTW, when the sprinklers were finally turned off last night, the protestors’ response was to fill in and re-turf most of the drains they had dug. I can’t imagine Extinction Rebellion ever doing that!
  
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  February 13, 2022 3:58pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    They’re planning on being there a long while yet, so pays to keep the place nice.
    They’ve planted a silver fern in the middle of the lawn and installed a letterbox.
    I am very proud of my fellow kiwis.
    I am disgusted by my government.
    
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    February 13, 2022 5:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How much was the bridge? Many for sale now
    
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    February 13, 2022 5:50pm
- DeepBlue
  
  You must mean Mallard Wetland… this swamp has a marketing budget.
  
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  February 13, 2022 5:04pm
krazykiwi

EU medical watchdog probes link between Pfizer and Moderna’s Covid vaccines and irregular periods after thousands of women report menstrual changes after jab. Repeat after me: safe and effective
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February 13, 2022 4:01pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  “Moderna CEO Just Dumped $400 Million in Stock and Deleted His Twitter Account”
  
  https://archive.is/YAHcA
  
  “Days after Pfizer admitted a safety audit could wipe billions off their stock market valuation, Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel dumped hundreds of millions of dollars in stock and deleted his Twitter account.”
  
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  February 13, 2022 5:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At last..

David Seymour is talking sense:

Evidence from the UK is now showing tested infection rates twice as high for vaccinated as unvaccinated. If vaccination does not affect transmission of Omicron, then what is the justification for vaccine requirements?

and, of course.. the real problem:
Where is the Prime Minister and why isn’t she showing leadership?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2202/S00084/jacinda-needs-to-side-line-prankster-trevor-and-do-some-adulting.htm
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February 13, 2022 4:04pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yeah, yeah, David. You’ve known this for months. So stop playing the faux outrage card. Get off your ass and go and speak with desperate, at wits-ends New Zealanders enduring wind, rain and Mallard.
  
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  February 13, 2022 4:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Seymour and the media highlighting his comments that Mallard is playing tricks and pranks hides the deeply sinister , cynical , undemocratic ,hypocritical nature of his power trip.
  
  Using the full and awesome power of the state on defenceless citizens who have a right to be on that lawn is tyranical , not a prank .
  
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  February 13, 2022 4:43pm
  - artemisia
    
    Police don’t agree with Sprinkler Mallard. They are polite about it but very clear – bad and useless.
    
    Meanwhile police are concerned about children playing in the mud there.
    
    His actions will muddy his reputation for years.
    
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    February 13, 2022 6:46pm
krazykiwi

Norway. In the middle of an omi case surge. Their response?

Effective immediately…

• The one-metre rule is abolished

• The requirement to wear face masks is abolished

• Only adults with symptoms are now advised to get tested for COVID-19

• The requirement to self-isolate for four days has been downgraded to a recommendation

• Kindergarten children and school pupils should stay home if ill, but can return after one fever-free day

• All remaining requirements to show a negative test on arrival at the Norwegian border have been scrapped

Well done. Scandinavian sense abounds.
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February 13, 2022 4:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ is ahead of the first again//
  
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  February 13, 2022 5:51pm
cmm

Today I am 100% proud to be quarter Canadian!
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February 13, 2022 4:18pm
expat

breaking news!

Trevor Mallard is an idiot, says expert.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127760434/this-will-make-people-angrier-top-negotiator-criticises-decisions-to-turn-sprinklers-on-blast-music-at-parliament-protesters
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February 13, 2022 5:14pm
WaveyDavey

Here’s a question for you…

Now I don’t care at all whether you are or aren’t vaccinated or whether you’re pro anti or indifferent

I have a logic question to ask

If we take at face value the need for boosters and we know that the govt is pushing the Omicron peak towards winter, how does it make any kind of sense?

1. Winter will bring with it the usual respiratory illnesses, some of which will cause hospitalisations

But the the bigger issue, from what I can tell is

2. Those that were boosted first were those who got vaccinated first, those that got vaccinated first were the “vulnerable” in society. So with the peak being pushed out those vulnerable people will be hitting the peak just as the vaccine’s efficacy is falling while those with the best booster efficacy will be the least vulnerable
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February 13, 2022 5:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’re dead right..
  
  My mates in their late 70s/80s got boosted a couple of weeks ago….
  
  looks like they’ll be sitting ducks for the virus around May- July…..
  Perhaps they”ll organise a protest and demand their 4th jab.
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:21pm
  - cmm
    
    They’ll be getting their 4th, then 5th, then…
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:19pm
Biscuit

Apologies for that ‘Aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!’ just earlier.

Not only has ‘The Chase’ been dragged into plugging Covid Boosters but also ‘Aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!’
one of the answers to a question tonight was ‘Mallard’.
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February 13, 2022 6:21pm
jon

The headline reads *Far Right protesters armed with baseball bats*. Where is the evidence that these particular protesters are indeed Far Right. Rather perhaps it suits the authorities narrative to blame the Far Right.
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February 13, 2022 7:36pm
- graham
  
  Yep. Same as Trevor Mallard claiming that one reason for playing vaccination messages over the loudspeakers was because of the number of unvaccinated people among the protestors.
  
  How, exactly, does Mr Mallard know what “the number of unvaccinated people in the audience” is?
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:09pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Just like he knows there are rapists in Parliament.
    
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    February 13, 2022 9:28pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Unlikely to be “far left” ….. ?
  
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  February 13, 2022 8:49pm
Maggie Pie

Ma was just telling us Superintendant Corry Parnell told reporter… “Police were not involved in the decision to use sprinklers or loud music to remove protesters from Parliament Grounds”

Also said, “It’s not a tactic we would encourage. It is what it is. Shit happened”

Mallard MUST resign!!
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February 13, 2022 8:08pm
fernglas

I was involved with the removal of Occupy protesters from Aotea Square a decade ago. Despite the fact that they were a rag-tag bunch with no clearly discernible cohesion and some rather odd opinions, they were treated with dignity and respect until the protest finally came to a halt with them being moved on lawfully. Andrew Coster was in charge of the low-key but firm Police operation to implement an injunction granted by the District Court. Auckland Council behaved responsibly and with patience in the measures it took to bring the protest to an end.

By contrast, this Speaker is behaving like a petulant child with his sprinklers and speakers. Is there something special about Covid that entitles those in power to behave in a high-handed and arrogant fashion towards those with whom they disagree, or is it simply now acceptable in our democracy for those who wish to protest or object, to be treated like animals?
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February 13, 2022 8:36pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yes interesting comparison. It’s almost like the current speaker of the house has respect for neither due process nor political impartiality! Very weird.
  
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  February 13, 2022 9:38pm
Prince

We hear a lot from NZ Media and ‘Opinion-Leaders’ about misinformation, and how we must be protected from rumours put out by people with hidden agendas.
Yet the media is only too happy to convey Govt messages about ‘Far-right radicals planning to invade Parliament through a nearby building’ (Mallard), ‘Faeces on the ground’ (Police/Mallard), someone testing positive (Mallard), weapons being hidden on site (Police) etc etc.
No evidence presented, despite constant video feed being available.
Of course Mallard would not use the media to spread disinformation, would he ?
And if he tried, surely the media would request evidence, or push back ??
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February 13, 2022 8:43pm
NZer In Exile

Dear oh dear! Even the far left news is breaking ranks and “muddying the narrative”. Maybe Jacinda and her buddies might want to have a look? Maybe think about it?

Repeated Covid boosters not viable strategy against new variants, WHO experts warn

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/repeated-covid-boosters-not-viable-strategy-against-new-variants-who-experts-warn

WHO boss: western countries’ Covid booster drives likely to prolong pandemic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/who-boss-covid-booster-drives-likely-prolong-pandemic
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February 13, 2022 9:22pm
Cinematic

Parliament msm all close contacts. That’s a clever way to keep the press at bay whilst the embarrassment unfolds outside.
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