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Warren

If you look at Trevor Mallard and work out all the disgraceful things in Parliament he has done what gives him the right to think he is any better than those protesting.
Again we see childish decisions coming from person holding one of New Zealand’s highest positions and a feeble weak Prime Minister giving him more power to divide New Zealander’s.
A good Prime Minister would have fronted the protests and explained her opposition but no that’s to easy and she has reaffirmed that violence will grab her more votes than a peaceful ending.
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February 12, 2022 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  Mallard’s arrest and acquital for a 1977 protest there forms part of the case law around the right to protetst there.
  
  The hypocrisy of this man and indeed his party is beyond astounding.
  
  As is the Media party’s silence on same.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:40am
  - blue collar
    
    I can’t work out Brenda’s they are us thing .
    So muslims are us ( agree ) or was it because they were victims that day . Victims are us .
    
    Whiteys and Maori protesting , they are not us . Or is it because they are strong and independent , that they are not us .
    
    So Brenda is a team full of dependent victims . That’s them
    Stand on ya own 2 feet , that’s us and the protesters.
    Typical commies , love dependent people and can’t stand anyone that’s independent.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:52am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I can’t work out Brenda’s they are us thing .
      
      I don’t think our Dear PM can either.
      
      Her team of 5 million is a shapeshifter… sometimes you are in and other times you are out.
      
      Clearly they are us does not incorporate law-abiding NZ citizens who are against mandated covid vaccinations.
      
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      February 12, 2022 11:23am
      - marcw
        
        The rest of the world are seeing through the BS slogans too.
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/11/ardern-trudeau-woke-darlings-western-world-finally-getting-comeuppance/ (may be paywalled)
        
        322 comments and increasing rapidly – many from NZ. Most ‘liked’ comment so far: “Nice article Douglas, Mr Trudeau, Mr Biden and Miss Ardern all politicians with massive MSM support and they were rarely confronted about their policies and suitability to lead before their elections. Unfortunately the feel good voter and far too many sensible people fell for them and I think each of their tenures will end in political tears, more so than others. The Emperor’s and indeed the Empress never had any clothes. “
        
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        February 12, 2022 11:41am
      - Jim
        
        It’s whatever she wants it to be, typical authoritarian narcissist, happy to see people nervously jumping from one foot to the other.
        Ardern has been the most divisive PM is western history.
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:26pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Maybe we need to have a conversation about that…?
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:51pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Fucking hypocrites! That said, Cindy will attempt to sweep it under the rug.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:53am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And a reference for those wishing to see a dictionary definition of hypocrisy: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/political-irony-speaker-trevor-mallard-and-covid-19-minister-chris-hipkins-historic-arrests-make-it-hard-to-trespass-protesters.html
    
    The RNZ article naturally defames the protestors and shows their ignorance or conscious bias – the protest is about vaccine mandates, not vaccines. Labelling them “hardcore anti-vaxxers” is dishonest or lazy, I’ll let others make that judgement.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:30am
- nathie
  
  The biggest protest at Parliament for years …. and the MSM are putting the torchlight on the protesters and not the ruling government.
  
  The PM isn’t being “held to account” by the media (they gave her patsy questions on 1 or 2 occasions and that was it – we just know if this was a National Govt media would be focusing on the Nat. PM and what they intend to do to end the protests day after day).
  
  The Speaker also isn’t being held to account by the media, again they uncritically “report” his actions without judgement – we just know if this was a National Govt the media would be questioning the appropriateness of the Nat. Speakers motives, especially when the protest was entirely peaceful yesterday.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:53am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Be it the politicians or the corporate media that comprise the anti-freedom bloc, every action they are taking strengthens the pro-freedom movement. The politicians are confirming, once again, that they have no argument for their restrictions or the moral authority to maintain them, while the incongruence between the corporate media commentary and framing of the pro-rights position versus the freely available footage reduces their credibility even further (if that is possible). The pro-freedom dissent movement is really in the box seat here. All that is necessary is to never back down, and victory will follow.
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:41pm
- chukar
  
  Warren,
  The problem with explanations is that the PM would be talking for weeks!
  There is so much needing urgent attention!
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:38am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The longer the protest goes on the greater are Cindy and Co will be thrown out at Election 23. The protest is showing Police brutality on a grand scale. Coster is a political crony got where he is by bum licking his way to the top. Not a cops cop. Just a paper shuffler.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:56am
  - I remember when
    
    lastmanstanding
    The longer the protest goes on the more often the media have to report that not everyone is 100% behind the Labour government.
    Every day the fact that some people don’t like what Labour/Jacinda are doing has to be reported.
    Once the media start showing that at least some of the protesters are ‘Joe Blogs’ from around the corner, the ‘unruly’ part becomes harder to maintain.
    Bryce Edwards and Barry Soper thought it was safe to stroll amongst the protestors, talking to them.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Bryce Edwards and Barry Soper thought it was safe to stroll amongst the protestors, talking to them.
      
      Once upon a time newspaper reporters were savvy folk who could mingle with all groups of people to ferret out views and facts with which they could inform the public.
      
      Now we have a bunch of propagandists masquerading as MSM journalists who are incapable of performing the most basic act of their profession…finding out what’s happening.
      
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      February 12, 2022 1:19pm
  - oldfella
    
    LMS: Cressida Dick has just resigned as head of London’s Met, and now there are suggestions the Brits may look overseas for a replacment.
    I wonder if we could nominate Cuddles for the job?
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:38am
    - pdm
      
      He could take Police Minister Poto Williams with him.
      
      Win Win for New Zealand.
      
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      February 13, 2022 4:18pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  What’s the difference between the Mallard of ‘77 and today’s Mallard?
  
  He knew that he was correct and righteous in 1977 and he’s even more convinced of his correctness and righteous superiority now!
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:44am
- Justitia
  
  Ardern and her Ministers do not have sufficient maturity to be able to engage constructively with those who hold opposing views. They prefer to run things by edict or by subterfuge. That is not democracy.
  
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  February 12, 2022 2:21pm
- Sean OConnor
  
  Why would JA address the protestors if National and ACT won’t?
  Our so called right wing parties are the problem; as far as JA is concerned, everyone agrees with her course of action, and National and ACT provide no evidence to the contrary.
  David Seymour wouldn’t even show his face to listen and see if there was 20% of the anti mandate message he agrees with, for goodness sakes.
  But he’ll take it to the Left if you keep electing him, you see….
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:02pm
  - Jim
    
    Seymour is missing his golden opportunity to grab 10-20% of the electorate, simply by supporting the international c19 science, as mandates, masks and covid tyranny is falling away piece by piece.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Government’s milk of kindness turned to gall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127744563/woman-loses-sister-hours-before-miq-release
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February 12, 2022 8:03am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Down tickers are up early today. Obviously they haven’t lost any family members.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:24am
- Matt Long
  
  It is time, time to drop MIQ which is serving no useful purpose now Omicron is at large in the country.
  Time to drop the traffic light system, which is hurting small business, particularly hospitality for no useful purpose.
  Time to halt the segregation and discrimination against the those who are unvaxed as it has been proven they pose no risk to the rest of the population compared with vaxed, just stop the malicious hateful persecution of those who do not do the Governments will.
  Time to allow religious freedom in our country.
  Time Jacinda and her Army of Karens just resign, follow Cromwell’s advice to the Parliament of 1653 and in the name of God go.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    But, but, but, her buddy Bill Gates has released a new book and he’s going to protect us from the next pandemic!!!!! We love you Billy!!! You’re the new Messiah and Brenda is one of your top disciples!!
    
    https://www.gatesnotes.com/How-to-Prevent-the-Next-Pandemic
    
    God save us all from the pandemicists.
    
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    February 12, 2022 8:59am
    - Dougal10
      
      Bill Gates can’t even protect a computer from a virus and it just a machine so he is obviously a nut job.
      
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      February 12, 2022 9:40am
      - Jim
        
        Same software business model, annual upload to fix the previous bug and regression by introducing new bugs. Rinse and repeat forever.
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:33pm
    - artemisia
      
      Has anyone read Pandemia: How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government, Rights, and Lives by Alex Berenson?
      
      I see he has been suspended from Twitter. Streisand Effect.
      
      Amazon #1 Economic Policy. Yeah.
      
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      February 12, 2022 10:04am
  - Fight4NZ
    
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    “Time to drop the” antivaxx protest, “which is hurting small business, particularly hospitality for no useful purpose.”
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:31am
    - Matt Long
      
      I agree, Cindy drop the mandates and the protesters go home.
      
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      February 12, 2022 10:58am
    - alloytoo
      
      it’s not “anti-vax”, it’s “anti-mandate.”
      
      If Cindy resigned and went home it might help though.
      
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      February 12, 2022 12:12pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      What’s the case for a vaccine passport and vaccine mandates? If you want them, then you’re obligated to make the positive argument. “Because we have them” is no argument and is obviously circular, so what is the justification?
      
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      February 12, 2022 12:49pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Here you go F4NZ, if Brenda drops the mandates and the vax passes tomorrow I’ll go and get the jab. As long as she promises that inane policy will never be attempted again in NZ.
      I have zero fear of the jab, I am however traumatised at the thought of compulsory medical interventions ordered by government and the need for medical “papers” to participate in a free society. This is what I fight against. Not the jabs per se. The coercion, bullying and inherent fascism.
      
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      February 12, 2022 1:54pm
      - Jim
        
        Those benevolent Big Pharma people have an enduring vaccination schedule (even for healthy low risk people including infants ffs) as their perfect business model, but remember it’s really to keep us all saaaaafe!
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:38pm
    - Jim
      
      Fool, it’s the mandates that are anti-hospitality
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:34pm
    - Sean OConnor
      
      Speaking of no useful purpose, have you heard about the vaccines lack of success when it comes to preventing Omicron transmission?
      
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      February 12, 2022 7:56pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    I couldn’t agree more. I think Cindy and her mob have divided New Zealand so hard that it will take years for the division to fade. The sports club I’m involved with has had committee members resign over the traffic light decision, members resign and those who remain won’t speak with those on the other side of the divide. If that is a microcosm of the country, we’re in trouble.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:17am
    - CJames
      
      Jacinda’s definitely losing her overseas reputation aura.
      To quote Neil Oliver “Amongst much else these past two years have laid bare is the calibre, or rather the lack of it, of so many elected representatives – and also of leaders of nations. Justin Trudeau in Canada, Jacinda Ardern in New Zealand, Mark Drakeford in Wales and Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland have emerged as nothing more than petty tyrants, woefully overwhelmed by events.”
      Ouch, that must hurt. To be seen at the level as Mark Drakeford, who makes most of the current cabinet look competent.
      
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      February 12, 2022 10:26am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        If that’s what he thinks of that lot, I’d love to hear his views on Macron and Scotty from Marketing.
        
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        February 12, 2022 10:32am
      - mawm
        
        … [No-one knows or cares. mod.]
        
        In reply to you – add Comrade Dictator Dan and the two leaders of WA and the NT.
        
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        February 12, 2022 11:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Sadly it is a reflection of what she has done to the country. In one respect, I am devastated that there are quite a few at a local club who I will not avoid or hold a grudge against, but I will certainly never look at them again in the same light. Their active and enthusiastic support of this madness has prolonged it and is prolonging it even longer.
      I don’t think they are evil, but they are certainly not people I would trust in a crisis.
      On the other side of that, I now know a small group of people who I will do anything for and who will do anything for me.
      
      This is my tribe and I am happy to be part of it. I’m glad I’m not in the other tribe.
      
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      February 12, 2022 1:58pm
      - freemark
        
        Exactly mate. Pro mandate etc are exposing themselves as petty little misinformed cowards. Everyone I have met at the various protests, with VFF etc has just shown love & tolerance. With a far greater grasp of the (even official) data & statistics that show the Covifiasco & jab-mania to be ludicrous responses to this relatively mild respiratory virus.
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:24pm
    - Jim
      
      Same in my sports club, with such disgusting attitude towards (good and very health conscious) people who don’t want this particular vaccination. Let’s see how they feel when they’re mandated to take vaccinations 4,5 and 6 etc.
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:40pm
- Its only I
  
  A brutal story.
  This is Jacinda’s New Zealand as she has made it today.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:33pm
  - Jim
    
    Yep the most divisive PM ever, and a multinational corporate shill.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:41pm
Tomtoddy

Stuff complains that its journos are getting attacked by the parliament protestors. Oh dear! “We are professionals, unbiased and just doing our job”.
Think again, Stuff. You deserve a few lashes from the umbrellas for the totally childish and slavish commitment to political correctness, support for the Red Queen and her government, the Maori fetish. Instead of trying to justify your unethical and disreputable, “bought and paid for” nonsense try printing the truth, reality, commonsense.
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February 12, 2022 8:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yep Stuff journalists, being paid govt propagandists don’t deserve anything but derision.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:11am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He admits as much, when he says they’re “Just doing their job”. Of course in any job you do what the person paying your wages tells you to do. That’s the point, and the problem. Do what you’re supposed to do, not what the government pays you to do, you spineless whining sock-puppets.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:35am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “Befehl ist befehl” was a common cry at Nuremburg. It didn’t really go down to well.
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:08pm
- BarryB
  
  Stuff dont know what ‘unbiased’ means.
  If one talks money from the Devil then you have to dance to the Devils tune………..
  In this case the Devil demands that they tell the Devils view of reality – and thats socialist mantra.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:40am
- artemisia
  
  Are Stuff begging banners getting increasingly desperate while trying really really hard not to seem it? Writing? Wall?
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:41am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I’ve noticed the same. The plughole couldn’t swallow a more deserving pond effluent.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:53am
  - oldfella
    
    this notice just appeared at the bottom of their home page…
    
    Not trying to make things awkward, but…
    You’re probably thinking, ‘this is another call from Stuff asking me for money’. And you’re totally right. But hear us out. The stories you read here cost time and resources to make. So we’re asking those who read them to contribute financially. What do you reckon, NZ?
    
    What do I reckon? If they’d open their comments they might find out.
    
    [Quit this persistent personalising your posts. mod.]
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:17pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      They should send that straight to Brenda. I’m guessing she reads it. Nobody with any sense does.
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:10pm
- kowtow
  
  No mention in that article about how controlled they are by the Speaker , or indeed the weekly briefing from the 9th floor .
  
  That’s way more significant and sinister to democracy than a handful of rude people or Trump flag wavers .
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:43am
- nathie
  
  From this mornings “Team of $55M” propaganda (Stuff’s Editors clearly don’t understand what “unbiased” means) :
  
  “Anti-vaccine mandate protesters are waking up to day five of their unlawful occupation at Parliament ”
  
  Umm since when has protesting at Parliament ever been labelled “unlawful”? As for “occupation”, Stuff sure as hell did not label previous protest occupations (Springbok tour, Wall St/1%’ers, various Maori issue protests and occupations “unlawful”.
  (Story headline: Soggy morning for Parliament protesters …).
  
  Then there is another Stuff story which again totally ignores the “anti mandate” issue (and people losing their jobs in the Health, Education, Defence sectors etc) and instead concentrates on the fringe minority that were aggressive.
  
  Has Stuff even had a story on the naked women protestor that had her hair pulled and head pinned down?
  
  If not shame on Stuff, at least the NZ Herald and Newshub have reported it … perhaps Stuff, being Wellington based, is just too close to Labour Party apparatchiks?
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:44am
- amospicton
  
  Yes, he even had the gall to use the phrase “hold truth to power”! They’re nothing more than bought and paid for propagandists.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:52am
- westernScientest
  
  Whats more, if you watch their own live stream, you can occasionally hear the stuff bloggers bating them into it. Calling them idiots, losers and what not from up on the balcony, presumably to try and get a reaction so they can write about it.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:57am
- Jade Warrior
  
  While I certainly do not condone attacks on journalists, that opinion piece is remarkable for its almost complete lack of self awareness. Stuff is amazing, Stuff holds power to account, Stuff is the greatest etc.
  
  Has their head of news or anyone else in their organisation ever taken a step back and had a good, hard look at themselves? Could they perhaps admit that they have not been taking the current government to task on its multitude of failures? Could they perhaps recognise that they have not been covering issues that will have significant impact on the lives of New Zealanders like Three Waters or He Puapua? Are they perhaps too ahead of public opinion in mindlessly supporting Maori grievances and climate change issues?
  
  But most remarkably, nowhere in that article is the Public Interest Journalism Fund mentioned, and the fact that Stuff sources funding from it. Has their head of news really stopped to consider what impact this fund is having on the quality of journalism in this country and the fact that anyone who wishes to access funding from the PIJF has to become a virtual cheerleader for the current government?
  
  I sympathise with those journalists who have been on the receiving end of threats of violence, but so long as they lack the self awareness to step back and honestly ask themselves why their profession is now so distrusted, I can’t see their plight improving anytime soon.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:57am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I have zero sympathy for any of them.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:37am
- Philview
  
  I note Stuff didn’t invite comments. I find the biggest problem is with the TV media. Although I actually find the 6 pm news team mostly likeable people they clearly just deliver Government propaganda. If they think they are independent they are deluding themselves.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:33am
- Surely Knott
  
  Stuff cartoonist Emma Cook twitter thread shows her latest cartoon depicting a protestor threatening the media with execution.
  
  But in this day of dis-information photographic evidence is king. So how accurate are Emmas interpretations when seen next to photographic evidence?
  
  Her next tweet shows a photo of a crowd she claims is shoving phones in police faces and “hyped up for violence”. The photo literally shows a picture of a young happy woman leaning over taking a photo next to a woman playing a guitar and people singing . But here is the photo of what a stuff cartoonist calls a hyped for violence crowd- you be the judge.
  
  https://twitter.com/creativeelc/status/1491507122487529474/photo/1
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:39am
  - Jim
    
    Hyped for violence? I see their calm placid faces looking like they’ve taken a sedative.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:45pm
- pdm
  
  According to Barry Soper on The Country with Jamie Mackay yesterday he walked among the protestors for a fair while (I cannot remember if he gave a length of time) quite happily and had some good chats with a number of individuals there.
  
  Apart from one 50sh women who told him to `go and f… himself
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And that 50ish person is why the Nats can’t get involved, it would only take one instance of that, or the nutter divorcing her husband for getting his booster, for the media to frame the Nats as the party of the loons
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well then the Nats have conceded all the ground to the current Government.
      
      The Nats need to adopt a strategy to deal with the relentless Labour/Jacinda propaganda machine.
      
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      February 12, 2022 11:30am
  - I remember when
    
    Strangely he hadn’t heard that saying since the previous night.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:01am
  - Jim
    
    I generally like Barry Soper, but his initials are quite apt when he continually mischaracterises people as antivax.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:47pm
Cassandra

Remember Bryan Gould? He was 83 yesterday. I thought he’d be older, perhaps 93. He has a blog called – wait for it – Bryan Gould – in which he accuses the Herald of being pro-National. A whole series of columns obsessed by this accusation. News to most readers of Kiwiblog, I imagine, who rightly dismiss the Ferald as a rag. Gould’s blog is worth a read, once, to see how people lose their mojo, if they ever had one. A failed Uk politician who came home to tell Labour in NZ how to do it (not).
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February 12, 2022 8:06am
- Truman lodge
  
  Gould is unbelievable.. He also said the Guardian was the last bastion of quality journalism. He accused the Herald of constantly attacking the govt. It’s amazing what conformation bias does.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:52am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Maybe. Or maybe he realizes it is important to accuse the MSM of a right wing bias in order to provide a smokescreen. That way the MSM can say “we are being criticized just as much by both sides so that proves we are impartial”.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:51am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Just park him in the loony left bin. No need to take any notice of his rants. I don’t recall him ever saying anything worth hearing.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:58am
KH

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New Zealand’s real convoy is citizens heading down to get the booster vax.
40,000 yesterday apparently.
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February 12, 2022 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  Under duress of losing their jobs, the right to enter local council facilities etc
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:44am
  - MCōs
    
    Nobody that I’ve heard of is under pressure to get a booster shot at the expense of losing their job.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:06am
    - Don Beckett
      
      You’re kidding. I know probably more than a few 100 people who have had their jab under duress. I also know about 30 people who have lost their job because of the vax mandate.
      
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      February 12, 2022 11:11am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then you’ve been hiding under your bed for far too long MCōs. You’re delusional.
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:18pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      @MCos The government has very quietly introduced a booster mandate for several industries. My workplace has written to all staff advising us of the government mandate, and has said to comply with the government order they will have to terminate anyone who hasn’t had a booster. We have to be vaccinated by 1st March – only a couple of weeks away – or within 6 months of receiving the second shot. Some industries have to have a booster by 15 February – only a couple of days away.
      
      So yes – a very large number of people are “under pressure to get a booster shot at the expense of losing their job”.
      
      https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-response-planning/covid-19-mandatory-vaccinations#booster
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:46pm
    - Jim
      
      Look again, health care, police and education sectors etc. soon it will be booster 2 (or shall we simply call it jab 4).
      No I know, let’s call it Omicron 1 (of 3).
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:51pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Yep; 1 March is the crucial day for us.
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:56pm
    - bronny1
      
      Wow, there are 4 in my family who lost their jobs over not taking the jab. Out of 8.
      One is a mandated industry. One works for a govt department (contractor) and two in hospo. So the first two would be mandated for the booster very soon, the other two will need it soon enough if they didn’t already lose their jobs over 1 and 2.
      
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      February 12, 2022 6:17pm
    - Joely Doe
      
      I will have to get my third shot (not a booster) by Tuesday to be allowed to continue to work.
      I know, I know – you would say that is my choice. Have the forced (not mandated) vaccination or lose your job – so I will make my choice and you will say that choices do not come free of consequences
      In much the same way that a mugger tells you to hand over your wallet or get stabbed, you will have made a choice.
      The mugger then gets to say you freely made a choice to hand over your wallet.
      How can these cases be treated differently?
      
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      February 12, 2022 10:13pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Boosters were 50,000 yesterday. It has been around that level daily. It is climbing steadily. They don’t release data on those eligible for a booster who have not shown up. At least not in the daily updates.
  
  Kids vaccines have slowed to a trickle. 2,000 yesterday with the rate stuck at 43 percent. To make advances they would need to be doing 20,000 kids daily. Anyway it is now beyond doubt that many vaccinated parents are not vaccinating their kids. That trend is more prominent in rural areas and Maori. The parents who are vaccinating their kids are white and Asian parents in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:51am
  - Clownworld
    
    Meanwhile in this country outside NZ, 10,000 cases omnicron today. Hospitals not overwhelmed,yet much lower GDP than NZ.
    
    If you get infected here you get a full medical pack including anti-virals, vit D , vit c , paracetomol. Straight away you get three blood tests to check heart, lungs etc. Most cases with symptoms last 3 to 4 days.
    
    In this country there are at least 7 diff vaccines available. Masks are encouraged in small confined shops, no tracing at all. Only police can question if you don’t wear mask. Not Joe Public. Here there are slso available rapid anti-gen tests at pharmacies or gps. You can also get antibody tests and check your Vit D levels.
    
    The govt only updates every 2 to 4 weeks on any changes or reviews current status.
    
    This compared to NZ is freedom.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:36am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Where are you ?
      
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      February 12, 2022 11:14am
      - Clownworld
        
        Europe
        
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        February 12, 2022 11:35am
      - Jim
        
        UK is even better
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:52pm
- BananaLlama
  
  By this dumb logic the real convoy are the covid cases climbing at record numbers every day.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s not a convoy, it’s a cattle truck.
  Best of luck to anyone forced or coerced into doing it. If you chose to do this even though you had full information available, good luck to you to but I can’t understand how you could possibly make that choice.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:04am
  - KH
    
    ClanMcleod: Yes that’s right. You will never understand how 95% make that choice. LOL
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “choice” – I see you’ve been studying Goebbels again. Nice, very nice.
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:35pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “Stick this experimental drug into your body or you’ll lose your job.”
      
      Shit, you really got me with that one KH. I’ll have to give up this debating stuff, you’re way too smart for me.//
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:42pm
  - rockape
    
    I guess you would say my wife was coerced as she is a nurse, but she wasn’t. She grabbed the opportunity to get an early vax. Before nurses could get a vax port workers and airport workers could, at Nelson they had some surplus so she and several other nurses got themselves down the their jab center and got jabbed up early. No coercion just doing what they thought best for their patients.
    
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    February 12, 2022 2:50pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      That was her choice.
      
      I too chose to be vaccinated, but am 100% against the mandates.
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:47pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        FFS, none of us like the mandates from Labour cabinet, we don’t like their lockdowns, but anyone blaming Nats for Labour mandates when the Bats asked for them to be dropped in December is nothing g more than an idiot
        
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        February 12, 2022 7:39pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I’m sure they were, but they were told lies and are still being told lies. The vaccines aren’t “safe and effective”. They are neither. But many people who take them think they have a silver bullet to mingle and go about business as if they are untouchable. They aren’t – and in fact the problem is that if the jabs DO reduce symptoms etc, then they are far more likely to carry on as normal. That’s how super spreading happens.
      It isn’t the untermensch. They aren’t allowed out to play.
      
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      February 12, 2022 4:18pm
- DharmaBum
  
  Very hard to say that’s people’s true views when they are being scared into it by the manipulation of the media, and the threat of social condemnation/being ostracized
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:39am
Lee C

Seen today:
“Apparently 12 police have resigned and 20 of them do not want to return to parliament so some of them do have a moral compass. Others were just brutes..”
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February 12, 2022 8:16am
- Rusty
  
  Would be funny if some cops jumped over the barricades and joined the protesters.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:44am
  - Jim
    
    More like an amazing demonstration of morale courage.
    What’s good enough for the goose etc, police were not reprimanded for taking a knee for BLM.
    Come on, some amazing NZ Police Officer, you’ll go down as a freedom hero in NZ history.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:55pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  So….the police are an interesting organization at the moment. Make no bones about it. Coster is hated by most Frontline coppers. The reasons are numerous. Police culture is a complex beast but its being slowly eroded and defanged through paperwork, softly tactics never tried in anger, diverse recruiting. They no longer want big guys who look like they like a bit of Ra-ra, ie alpha males. A massive emphasis on deescalation, which isn’t a bad thing in itself and cultural mores and sensitivities etc. The irony is delicious when the very left wing government that has been reshaping the leadership around woke values, when they wanted them to bring g the hammer down. The cops couldnt. Make no bones about it Thursday was an embarrassing failure. There is too much risk management and paperwork for every little decision. There are a battalion of people advising why they can’t do any move the cops would normally make in this situation. I don’t think people realize the crises they are in and how ill-equipped to deal with this type of situation and the scale of it. These protesters if they keep their shape, numbers and discipline can make the cops and governments job extremely tough!!!!
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:00am
mandk

This man is brave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a8ZRipbeRo

Kiwis need to stand up, too.

Vaccines neither stop vaccinated people spreading omicron, nor being infected.

Stop the mandate tyranny now.
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February 12, 2022 8:17am
- mandk
  
  Good morning downticker, old buddy.
  
  May I ask, do you work alone round the clock, or are you part of a team?
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:50am
piglady

It will have been said before but Jacinda is our Prime SINISTER.
Wishing all the protesters in Wellington another successful day and many many thanks to everyone protesting anywhere in NZ for what you are doing.
The tyrants have to go!
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February 12, 2022 8:20am
Frederick

I note that the media represent the protestors at parliament as no hopers and feral and do everything in their power to demonize them.
Funny how at maori land protests the media never go into the characteristics of those protesting. They just promote the cause and infer its a just and noble protest.
A friend of mine is coming to Wellington today to join the protest. He is a very successful businessman and hardly fits in the no hoper category. I don’t agree with some of his stances but I certainly support his right to protest on issues which concern him.
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February 12, 2022 8:21am
Random T Person

Quit ACT yesterday. David Seymour’s disdain for the protesters was the last straw. There’s nobody to vote for in this uniform parliament and political landscape.
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February 12, 2022 8:22am
- Cassandra
  
  Many, many good things about David Seymour. This is a blemish to you (not to me) but sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  RTP – it is impossible in a truly representative democratic system to apparently have 120 MPs, yet not a single one of them speaks for those opposed to mandates and vax passes.
  You can be pro vaccination and still oppose draconian mandates and segregation and discrimination of a minority. It is not possible that there is nobody in parliament who feels that way. The only explanation is that the MPs are gagged.
  
  That isn’t democracy, that’s tyranny and fascism.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:09am
  - Jack5
    
    So MMP doesn’t work even for minorities?
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:26am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @clan –
    It is now a one party government.
    All in agreement.
    No dissent allowed.
    
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    February 12, 2022 6:23pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Normal democracy.
    You serve us.
    We the people.
    Civic duty.
    Representation for communities.
    Protect liberties
    
    New normal democracy.
    One source of truth.
    Sustained propaganda campaigns.
    Division into tribes us and them.
    Mainstream media is always correct.
    Media paid up to submit to govt.
    Approved media only.
    Political parties cover for totalatarian agreement.
    Remove at whim freedoms
    Controls and rules that are illogical and heartless
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:22pm
- Pavel
  
  I’m at the same point as you: who do we vote for now? If you disagree with Labor there’s National or Act. These last 2 years have thrown up so much fodder for the opposition, served it up to them on a plate, yet they have failed to hold them accountable. The Nats and Act are empty suits. I can’t vote National or Act for the simple fact they are such useless opposition party’s. Imagine if this was John Key, Labor would be all over him and the press would be running stories against him all day long. It’s like parliament is just one big political party, there’s no opposition, no ideas, no debate, no charisma, no energy from any of them. I think I will have to refrain from politics and just go with the flow. If this is what the people want then so be it. What will be will be.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:15am
  - crackle
    
    If it drags out that long I will be a single issue voter. Basically the party that promises to end mandates immediately will have my vote.
    
    If mandates are gone prior I will vote the party most likely to get rid of Jacinda and if shes gone prior I wont vote.
    
    Election after that who knows.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:45am
  - ByGolly
    
    May as well vote Winston First then.
    I mean it couldn’t get any worse right?
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:37pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      You don’t cure cancer by infecting yourself with syphilis.
      
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      February 12, 2022 12:51pm
      - mawm
        
        They used to poison people with mercury to treat syphilis – hence “a man spends his first 15 years on Earth, a couple of minutes on Venus and the rest of his life on Mercury”.
        
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        February 12, 2022 7:00pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Your vote is needed to get rid of the witch, there is only one alternative to Labour, and you know what it is, we all hate the mandates, but Ghez, do not give this nasty commie a chance at a third term
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:17am
  - Warren
    
    These are the same people that backstabbed Simon Bridges to get Todd Muller as there Leader.and how did that end up, they deserve the Government they get with the way they always undermine National and now the Act Party.
    Both these parties are dammed if the don’t and dammed if they do ,and if they did and it turned to custard these same people would roast them for failing.
    
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    February 12, 2022 5:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s funny, because apart from FB scum attacking Nats on line, and that muppet Slater trying to suggest the same on his shithole site, and a few here that will be linked to Slater , every other person I have heard speaking this week have 100% said the protesters are muppets
      
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      February 12, 2022 7:44pm
- yossarian
  
  Perhaps these protestors need someone with great political experience, someone who knows the ins and outs of Parliament and knows how to take advantage of a disaffected group of people…I wonder who could that be?
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Let me guess who you want? , that POS Peters, well , tell me what he has done FFS , he mumbled a couple of words about Tuesday, he never once suggested the mandates should be dropped, he waffled on about this could have been sorted, i just do not get it why Peters the bloody deliverer of this corrupt regime, and the shutting down the country and the lockdowns is so support over nothing
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:59am
- slightlyrighty
  
  well, who are you going to vote for then?
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nats have called for mandates to end in December, and have asked for a time line to end them , what more can they do, but its all Nats fault fFS
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:08pm
    - chukar
      
      GG from Dunedin,
      Asked this before “ are you National troll?”
      None of the political parties have yet recognised that people in this country are over being bullied by the state.
      This could be NZs Magna Carta!
      The failure of these parties to front up to the present demonstration (or do what the Marlborough Council and Mayor did today in Picton.) is totally their fault.
      
      National,Labour ,NZ1 , ACt,Maori P or the Greens are all responsible!
      
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      February 12, 2022 6:45pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Not a troll at all, but if I was I would be embarrassed to be a leftie troll, why are you muppets that are trying to get supported NNP party so thick? We do t want a car if you cravkpots
        
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        February 12, 2022 7:48pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m mulling over the same decision. David Seymour’s position is worse than Ardern’s. His platform is libertarianism any yet he is being manifestly hypocritical. At least Ardern is a unashamed tyrant.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:40am
  - Random T Person
    
    That’s it. This is a matter of fundamental principle.
    
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    February 12, 2022 2:33pm
    - mawm
      
      The most important issue to oppose in our lifetimes is the vaccine mandate because of where it is going to go. That ACT, an allegedly libertarian party, and National, centre right (I joke), cannot stand up to this commie means that they do not deserve my vote.
      
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      February 12, 2022 7:10pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Then you are happy with Cindy FFS
      
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      February 12, 2022 7:49pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That’s like saying if you don’t vote for Trump you support Clinton. And visa versa. It’s stupid logic. But that’s like NZ politics where people finish up voting people out rather than voting people in.
        It would be great if we had a political party that actually stood for something more than “like them but better”.
        
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        February 12, 2022 8:33pm
Positan

The Maori Party’s latest vocal inanity about divorcing the monarchy shows just how microscopic is its understanding about matters both cardinal to their position and even to their very existence. Setting aside that their idiotic call to divorce the monarchy abrogates their parliamentary oath of loyalty, such a move would instantly nullify the Treaty along with their prior standing – and all the baseless expectations they’ve managed to convince themselves that the Treaty endows.

Wouldn’t life here be ever so much simpler?

Goodness it’d cast Maori adrift from all the manufactured “obligations” endured by the greater New Zealand public who’re now so thoroughly fed-up with all the opportunistic ploys that parliament’s Maori faction has striven to extort.

Although completely self-evident, the sheer impossibility of the Crown having “partners” among its subjects still isn’t grasped by those wilfully obdurate minds- but then, decades of bewailing how their “ancestors’ land was stolen from them”- when in fact, it’d been actively traded- has obviously numbed whatever basics they had in elemental rationale.

Today, the biggest drawback faced by many Maori is the fact that they’ve never stopped to appreciate the manifold benefits they’ve received post-colonisation – and how it bettered their lives.

That main problem is their own – but so many can’t or won’t see it.
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February 12, 2022 8:23am
- Cassandra
  
  A plus of a republic (the only one) is no crown, no treaty. ??
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Republics are not governed by a dictatorship
    
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    February 12, 2022 7:50pm
G152

Peters will be there widdling through the sprinklers towards another term in power.
Not that anything will change but Peters and party are back in the money
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February 12, 2022 8:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Peters will not do a bloody thing, we is he if he is the answer, the charlatan is full of shit
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Israel was one of the first countries to bring in a covid vaccination pass…

But in light of omicron, they’ve seen that it is not needed for most activities

“Because omicron infects the vaccinated, the Pass has lost its effectiveness”

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/coronavirus/1644216258-israel-rolls-back-green-pass-covid-restrictions
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February 12, 2022 8:30am
- NK
  
  The vaccine is effective, but only following 124 booster shots. At that time it is not possible to contract nor transmit the virus.
  
  Because you will be dead.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:36am
- I remember when
  
  If vaccination passports mean the vaccinated can congregate without becoming infected –
  what happens when they mix with the unvaccinated the rest of the time.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:43am
  - Rich Prick
    
    For some insane reason, to many, especially older folk, the vaccine pass is some kind of crucifix and garlic to wave about.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:09am
Yvette

“OK – There’s about 500 of us now. Shouldn’t we start singing the Anthem in Maori and then start chanting JACINDA COME OUT, COME OUT, WHERE EVER YOU ARE – and LET’S DO THIS”

“Sorry Mate, you arrived too late. She has already appeared when we were just about two hundred of us gathered – smart. Said she welcomed our voicing our different contributing but diverse views, and she would receive and listen to a delegation of ten of us. Sorry you all got your cars and trucks ticketed – and they’ll be towed soon as they find a company with the guts to do it, and now please leave on foot in a orderly manner before Trev does something bizarre to save his precious lawn – like turn the sprinklers on. It’s all done and dusted, Mate, so to speak. She has spoken”

So Jacinda didn’t do that, and Trev turned the sprinklers on

But, had Jacinda ’nipped’ in there, hard and early, it would have ended a useful diversion, and the sprinklers are a nice plot twist, digging trenches even better. SHORTLAND STREET would be a little envious, but they are still winning with their lost lesbian love story, which, being early evening viewing, almost needed sprinklers too
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February 12, 2022 8:33am
- Yvette
  
  OK – Jacinda missed a move not asking earlier on for a ten person delegation to represent views to her personally.
  
  So then, did Luxon not miss a greater opportunity to ask for the same approach, especially when Jacinda didn’t and Mallard upped her rejection of any action.
  
  So now, had Luxon acted in just calling for a representation of views, the more daft views could have probably been ignored, and Luxon could have said just what he wanted – after the media mallardstrom Trev has created, in his lawns now being fucked over.
  Luxon could have been the voice of sanity.
  
  Pity.
  
  Unless Luxon appears now, to end it. He could still leave Ardern with a damp squib
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The problem is the Tamiki thugs and those alt right activists have infiltrated the protest, what are Nats to do? , side with that lot?we are fucked, third term coming for the creator of the mandates
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:11pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Who gives a shit who is at the protest? It’s about what is right and what is wrong.
      I’m sick of this nonsense. It’s like high school when you have to be seen to be “hanging with the cool kids” or your life is “over”. No it fucking isn’t. Stand up for what you believe in and watch as others follow. Be your own person. Do what is right, not what the focus group thinks the burbs will prefer.
      Grow a spine.
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:56pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Don’t want crackpots near, I supported the protests to start with, but not these other nutters
        
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        February 12, 2022 7:52pm
    - Sean OConnor
      
      He should go, find a reasonable group of protestors, and engage with them.
      The Left doesn’t run away from their crazies. Look at Ihumatao, BLM, Shelly Bay, you name it. As a result, the Left makes progress.
      As long as the Right keeps signalling that it will dance to the media’s tune, we will get nothing, nothing, nothing.
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:05pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Go look at many of those protesters, many are Māori, not Nat voters, many are activist nutters, do Greenies, also alt right nutters, not Nag voters, also Tamaki fruit loops not Bat voters
        
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        February 12, 2022 7:57pm
blue collar

I’m really pissed off . I’m
Mad as hell .
We hv a group of people doing their best for all of us , freedom n an end to mandates , and what do they get ?
Told by prime minister they don’t represent New Zealand , EFFECTIVELY THEY ARE NOT US .
Abandoned by the opposition parties who could be using them to hammer the govts policies but no , no …. let’s hv a soaking wet fest , read the room completely wrong , and sacrifice concerned ordinary citizens in their hour of need FOR FUCKING OPTICS .
What happened to standing up for what you believe in as a politician and to hell with the votes .
Evil prevails when good men do nothing .
So where are the good men ?
Good on ya winston
Good on ya new conservatives
Good on ya Matt king
Good on ya everyone who says they should at least be heard and fronted up to .

What an absolute disgrace all round , we live in a country where our main parties cower in a beehive whilst protesting citizens are ignored outside , besmirched in the bribed media , physically assaulted by cops , sprayed with water the speaker of the god damned house ordered , trespassed on tax payer funded land ….. vilified in public statements by the limp wristed , saggy elbowed , hand wringing, cowards hiding under their benches we call politicians .
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE , a govt not worthy of the name and an opposition also not worthy of the name .
I was a Seymour man , thought Luxon doing well …. all Seymour had to do was go far right , loved his state of nation speech ( they polled Maori and bureaucrats ) he meets the crowd and climbs into the govt over policy and the fact Brenda ignored and vilified them , there’s political gold to mine here with labour’s response , mallards antics too
Let Luxon be mr woke and flounder in the middle, hiding away playing Brenda’s game ( I don’t think he should , he should front too but as a game plan this could work ) …. together they hv all bases covered .

Right now , they hv both abandoned.new zealanders in their hour of need , they should apologise , Seymour at least , and go n meet them .

Then take a poll .
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February 12, 2022 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Good on ya winston’
  
  I draw the line there.
  
  He anointed her .
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:47am
  - Jack5
    
    Some people say Peters kept Labour in check.
    
    Maori takeover of water, corruption of the media, the school history-revision brainwash, Maori language forced on us on radio and in print – all intensified without him in the coalition.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:34am
  - H. Upmann
    
    It all started there.
    Peters with his vindictive hate and hypocrisy started all of this. We should never forget that.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:52am
  - blue collar
    
    Yeah , maybe but I’m ignorant on this .
    Did national approach winston ?
    Did national offer deputy prime ministership like labour ? Foreign minister aswell wasn’t it ? Can’t remember .
    If so then bad boy Winnie .
    If not …. blame the nats
    I still respect the fact he has stood up for the protesters , even though it’s self serving .
    No one else has for whatever reason , self serving or not
    
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    February 12, 2022 5:03pm
- septic skeptic
  
  If you think Winston gives a flying F for any of the people on the protest you haven’t been paying attention for the last few decades.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:12pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1VxXfMyBw

Freedom Convoy NZ Campsite.

A walk around the camp site. I’m sure the team of 55 million will be along to talk to the truckers in 5,4,3,2,1. // sarc
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February 12, 2022 8:37am
- westernScientest
  
  interesting his day 2 recap video has nearly 200,000 views now. Bit of a click baity title but still.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:34am
- krazykiwi
  
  I walked around this morning. Incredibly wet, not helped by Mallard’s infantile actions. Every person I spoke to was resolute about toughing this out. Quite a few saying they’d lost jobs and careers.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:45am
BarryB

Mallard and Hipkins have apparently been arrested in the past for behavior at protests – now we have them complaining about others following their behavior.
And Mallard is simply continuing his bully boy behavior by turning on the sprinklers – what an idiot.
Such action will harden the protestors attitude and wreck and remaining traces of what was a lawn. And I think the police had lights on all night.
The old advice about misbehaving children was ‘Just ignore them’ – but Mallard et al certainly arent doing that and I expect the protest to gather support following this stupidity from Government – which in light of how theyve reacted to the whole Covid thing isnt a surprise – off the cuff actions.
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February 12, 2022 8:37am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “And Mallard is simply continuing his bully boy behavior by turning on the sprinklers – what an idiot.”
  Me think he thought that “soak lawn watering” would do the same to them as what he would really like to do – waterboard ’em. Didn’t think about them digging trenches in “his” lawn.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s a great article about Hipkins, his arrest and subsequent payout from police for wrongful arrest.
  
  https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/who-chris-hipkins-delving-new-zealand-doctor-archives
  
  The parallels with the current protest are manifest. Peaceful protest, trespassed by the speaker. How ironic.
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arU-L9S4J8c

Humiliated Trudeau Walks Out!

Justin Trudope can’t stand the heat, so he flees the kitchen. I guess Castro is looking up and thinking “I’m glad he’s not my son”. [2:47]
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February 12, 2022 8:37am
- Matt Long
  
  Just compare the Canadian Liberals’ support of the Canadian truckers with the way Luxon and Seymour are behaving.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The Canadian ms do not have the likes of Tamaki group plus gang members, and that alt right fringe infiltrating the good things in the protest, the protests were to question mandates, but these fringe fools have started questioning others right to take the vax, this is what happens when the organisers are un-contactable, this is why the Nats must distance them selves from the Tamaki, and that alt tight group
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:44am
  - emmess
    
    I think you mean Canada’s Conservative Party, although there was at least one Liberal Party rebel.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:53am
    - Matt Long
      
      Yes the Conservatives, I don’t know how liberal slipped out, too many distractions perhaps.
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:24pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Exactly. Luxon and Seymour’s behaviour is treacherous, and as damaging to our liberal democratic framework as are the actions of Ardern.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:48am
- Nickc2
  
  Cindy’s BFF spits the dummy.
  When will clowns such as Cindy and Trudeau realise they’re playing on the Grown Ups Field now where the bell doesn’t ring at 3PM and they can all go home.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Looks like the overseas msm are more aware of the current situation than the local clowns.
    
    “Ardern and Trudeau, the woke darlings of the Western world, are finally getting their comeuppance”
    
    Exposed for the fraud she is.
    
    “In fact caring is Ardern’s shtick. She is especially good at apologising for things she hasn’t done. Her face crumples, her voice breaks, and the world’s news organisations shout in chorus: “Here is what we need in a leader.””
    
    A wonderful read, brought me great solace that these charlatans are finally being exposed.
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/11/ardern-trudeau-woke-darlings-western-world-finally-getting-comeuppance/
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:07pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Great video, Thanks for sharing.
  Just as relevant to NZ with both PM singing from the same Hymm Sheet.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:27am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC1tbzvkTHE

Liberal Warns Dems are Facing Extinction.

The Democrats are facing extinction, that’s what one retiring Democrat is openly warning his party about! In this video, we’re going to look at how the Democrats are disappearing from the political scene in several states, we’re going to see how that disappearance promises a bloodbath at the midterms, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal how even international leftists are sounding the alarm that the era of woke leftism is indeed coming to an end. [11:37]
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February 12, 2022 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  #Trump2024
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:10pm
I remember when

Ho! Ho! Ho! That’ll show them.
Do that dumb lot not realise that I am the speaker, so I must be cleverer than an unruly, leaderless mob.
Oh, Shit, didn’t see that coming.
Never mind just add it to the public’s bill.
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February 12, 2022 8:38am
blue collar

I hope Brenda stays til the election … I want to see her face when she is crushed .
Close up .
I will endure all her destructive tyranny for that moment .
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February 12, 2022 8:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Good on Winston? What has that arsehole done? Mumbled a couple of words, and people think he is the saviour, the man is a nasty vulgar POS he created this rotten regime
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let’s go Brenda
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She will probably do the same as Clark and Cullen, resign on the same night and disappear.
  Oma rapeti and all that
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:09pm
Ruahine

I well remember the catty remark that the petulant Jacinda Ardern made about President Trump that nobody protested when SHE was elected.
Well Jacinda Ardern they are protesting now and have been for sometime.
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February 12, 2022 8:42am
slightlyrighty

Whatever you think of the protest in Wellington, I did find it amusing that the woman who announced on TV that she was leaving her husband because he got the Booster is actually A.Looney.

That’s right, her name is Anne Looney.
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February 12, 2022 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  A single Looney at the protest is to you very amusing .
  
  A whole cabinet of looneys is not .
  
  We are in this position cos of crazy politicians .
  
  Also I thought you “progs” were meant to be culturally sensitive . Not nice to make fun of people’s names.
  
  But seeing as that passed moderation I’ll take advantage in future.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:07am
- kevn
  
  @slight… She is just camera fodder for the msm. Her hubby is probably enjoying the break…
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:17am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Some people are saying the media is trying to show these protesters in the worst light….
    
    in some cases, they don’t have to try very hard……
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That woman right there is the type of person the Nats must stare clear off, not the protest it’s self, but some of the anti vaxed that have infiltrated the protest
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:47am
crackle

Act have lost the plot, apparently they are antimandate. Although I only found that out when David Seymour responded to Rodney Hides blog post…
Then shortly after, on the News we have an Act mp saying they dont support the protest and not a peep about Act’s position against govt mandates.
Seems to me they’re either really shy or actually when it boils down to it supportive of govt mandates.
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February 12, 2022 8:47am
- Cassandra
  
  Seymour has announced ACT’s position. “Not a peep” is incorrect.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:46am
  - crackle
    
    Not a peep referred the spokesperson Act put up on One news the other night.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:48am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    He must be whispering it. I’ve seen nothing from Seymour saying he will stop mandates. And, he needs to add “vax passports” to the list of things to be burned and never entertained again. Otherwise he’s sucking into the center like Luxon.
    It certainly doesn’t inspire me. I’m now going to check out New Conservative because someone told me their people were at the protest. That’s enough to get my vote for now.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:12pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      A vote for NC eill guarantee another term of Cindy
      
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      February 12, 2022 8:01pm
- Colville
  
  I thought Seymour had been very clear that he is anti mandate and wants people to be allowed to continue in employment as long as they are regularly tested.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:49am
  - jon
    
    ACT certainly voted against the mandate law when it was passed through the House. Some appear unaware of this fact!
    
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    February 12, 2022 2:38pm
  - Philview
    
    I have heard Seymour say he is anti mandate several times.
    
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    February 12, 2022 2:42pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You “thought”? Not very reassuring. He really needs to be a bit more outgoing about it.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:14pm
  - bronny1
    
    Why should they get tested? There is no science to support treating the unvaxxed any differently from the vaxxed.
    
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    February 12, 2022 6:29pm
- krazykiwi
  
  That there’s any question about their position is a travesty. ACT have betrayed their principles in pursuit of some easy centre votes. Spineless, Mr Seymour. Spineless.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:53am
- bronny1
  
  Where is this response?
  
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  February 12, 2022 6:28pm
Zero Kindness

For those Wellingtonians who wish to support the protest today the priorities are bottled water, dry clothing, towels, duvets, pillows, coats, tents, umbrellas. Take them to the medic tent on the grounds. Also talk to the food tents to see what other priorities are. Thank you all for your generosity.
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February 12, 2022 8:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m nowhere near Wellington or I’d like to help. Is there anywhere that a financial donation can be made that would help?
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:24am
  - Zero Kindness
    
    Thanks ClanMcleod you are already doing a great job of awakening the sheep.
    A donation to Voices For Freedom is a donation to this protest movement. There are other groups as well.
    I know some folks from outside Wgtn are placing online orders at Wgtn supermarkets for collection by the team, just not sure how to contact them but there will be a Facebook group for convoy 2022 NZ that may help. I don’t do Facebook.
    Else if you know someone in Wgtn, give them some money to go and buy the small water bottles and drop them down to the food stands.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:38am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Cheers ZK – I’m a VFF supporter and have donated and bought the merchandise. I support a few places, UK Column, VFF, Eugyppius and James Corbett. Not huge amounts of money, but cheaper than a Whoreald subscription and a hundredfold more accurate and informative.
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:33pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I will be taking food into the protest for the next few days. If you’d like to contribute email me at realkrazykiwi@gmail.com. We’ll do a little authentication exchange, and then discuss the details.
    
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    February 12, 2022 10:58am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Emailed you,
      
      Thinking aloud ,
      
      I have always thought the best way to feed the masses during a “crisis” is a Hangi.
      
      With this in mind, It would be great Idea would it not?
      
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      February 12, 2022 1:04pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thanks to all of you who emailed me. I’m grateful for the trust you are showing. I will be in touch shortly.
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:45pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Send pizza?
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:42pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      and from pictures gumboots and folding chairs and air mattresses might be pretty useful too.
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:43pm
    - Sean OConnor
      
      It must be hard to purchase more calories per dollar, premade, than a $6 or $8 Dominos pizza.
      The main downside is that they’re so lacking in nutrition.
      
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      February 12, 2022 7:53pm
Nickc2

IMO, the Govt has lost any Moral High Ground it afforded itself in its drive towards Socialism under the guise of Covid-19.
The protestors in Wgtn are proving to this Govt that Joe/Jill average NZer wants Democracy over division, separatism and totalitarianism.
In short, they’ve had enough and legal protest is their way of showing it.
Wake up Nat/ACT, sample the atmosphere and bring sanity to the situation before Winston Peters does it for you.
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February 12, 2022 8:48am
blue collar

WARNING TO All KIWIBLOGGERS .

I just bought my house . The banks , Orr and Robbo hv been waiting for me .

Interest rates and inflation will now proceed to go through the roof .
Tax’s will increase and pay be reduced .

Sorry in advance , it’s all my fault \\

Ps 1,500 m2 , 4 bed , multiple sheds , done up n semi rural …. $750,000 , get that up ya JAFAS !! ?
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February 12, 2022 8:48am
- Colville
  
  What trem/rate did you fix at?
  Or mort free?
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:50am
  - Don Beckett
    
    So where did you buy ? Eketahuna? 😉
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:55am
    - blue collar
      
      New Plymouth cob ….. prices gone up since the labour caucus visit devalued the area .
      
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      February 12, 2022 5:08pm
      - Jim
        
        Nice?
        
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        February 12, 2022 7:31pm
  - blue collar
    
    5.05% for 5 years …. was 4.65 for 3 years but I thought I’d go for longer term security in these uncertain times .
    Got about $4000 cash back into account too . Anz
    Guess there aren’t many new mortgages around n they are bribing in customers . Smart long term move
    
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    February 12, 2022 5:06pm
- Matt Long
  
  1500 m2 definitely is a pretty decent house for the price.
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:49pm
  - blue collar
    
    ? I’m sure you’re joking 140m2 with sleepout , and 5-6 sheds …. 1500m2 land
    
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    February 12, 2022 5:09pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Ys, I got that the 1500 related to the land. About 1 -1/2 acres. 🙂
      
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      February 12, 2022 5:39pm
      - cmm
        
        No it isn’t. 1000 sq m is approx a quarter acre. This is just over a third.
        
        One hectare ( a bit over 2 acres) is 10,000 sq metres.
        
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        February 13, 2022 4:17pm
JibberJabber

Good thread by Steven Franks,

https://twitter.com/franks_lawyer/status/1492196021840998401

Im sure there’ve been some menacing bullies somewhere. There always are in ‘ come one, come all’ near spontaneous demos. Only the professional activist calculated disruptions have tight discipline. But it’s as widely representative of ordinary people as I’ve ever seen protesting
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February 12, 2022 8:49am
BananaLlama

The Callow Women, sequel to The Hollow Men by Nicky Hager.
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February 12, 2022 8:54am
Lee C

I think, for the past couple of days we are seeing something that has been artfully hidden for the past couple of years – the truth of the matter emerging.

Truth No. One.
The politicians will not meet with the protesters for one simple reason.

None of them have a justifiable counter-argument to the ethical correctness, the economic consequences, the scientifically-justified objections of the protesters.

Truth No. Two.
The national media are biased and corrupted talking heads for a Government which has successfully bought them off to be their slaves.

Truth No. Three.
The ‘Team of Five Million’ is a catchy sound-byte and the protest exposes a gaping hole in the ‘single source of truth’. Because, if you are ‘the single source of truth’ and you are caught out in just one lie, it follows that you are exposed as a liar.

Truth No. Four. The fear porn is failing. The only tool left at the state’s disposal is spiteful attempts at spurring peaceful protesters into violent action. I mean. Turning the sprinklers on – how out of touch are these idiots?

Truth No. Four. The political classes are exposed as the self-seeking stuffed shirts they have always tried to pretend they are not. When ever have we witnessed New Zealanders willing to die in a ditch to hold on to the ‘right’ to oppress their fellow citizens?

Truth No. Five. The Vaccinations are a failed model. Never before has so much money being laundered by international pharmaceutical companies right under our noses. Politicians who promote them fear being exposed as corrupted by cash-inducemnts, or careerist agendas as they continue to sacrifice their people on teh altars of their own vanities.

Truth No. Six. Covid kills. It kills people who have serious co-morbidities, it kills the elderly. It kills an inconsequential number of people who were (sorry) already at death’s door. But it kills many more who have been denied treatment or early detection due to the poor planning and sheer selfishness of the political classes.
Think about this. The justification for lockdowns was so that the Health system would not be ‘overwhelmed’. Then they essentially shut down that same apparently functioning health system so it couldn’t do the very thing they justified lock-downs with – essentially killing people through neglect.

Truth No. Seven. The population of many ‘wealthy’ nations have been bled-dry by people who promoted themselves as our saviours, but who in reality were gutless, self-seeking and deluded power-junkies.

Truth No. Eight. Forcing people to take the knee, and be injected against their will by employing state-coercion is a crime against humanity, and rips aprt the very fabric of the values that our Parliamentary Democracy has supposedly evolved to safeguard the people against – actual Tyranny.

Truth No. Nine. Those who promoted and applauded this travesty, will have to face down a damning historuical judgement firstly because they did wrong, but secondly because they actively betrayed the very principles of their own nation-atates.

Truth No. Ten. They will not win.
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February 12, 2022 8:54am
- Fight4NZ
  
  [Deleted – pasting and re-posting the same comment is disrespectful to other posters. Take a break for a week (including your alias). mod.]
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:30am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Thanks for the lecture, but I’ll stick to my GP for medical advice.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:41am
    - Jim
      
      Sadly you won’t find a GP able to give a free professional opinion on your personal risks and benefits of c19 vaccinations, the medical council has warned them off (except those on NZSOS).
      
      Try asking your GP if (off the record) they are able to offer any advice other than “Vax to the Max”
      
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      February 12, 2022 5:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This must be 4th time I have seen this repeated post.
    
    Are the moderators asleep?
    
    [Thanks, it will be dealt with. We are not all seeing each post. mod.]
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Txs Mods.
      
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      February 12, 2022 1:09pm
- BAM
  
  It’s because they’re all following the WEF script.
  
  Collins didn’t, Luxon does which is why she was attacked daily in the media and Luxon gets left alone.
  
  There will be no change in direction if Luxon becomes PM.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:00am
  - Sacha
    
    You’re not the first person I’ve heard say that –
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:07pm
- Rusty
  
  These protests have exposed National and Act as supporters or at the very least compromises of Labours covid response policies.
  
  If some are thinking National/Act party wining the 2023 elections means a return to normal life without lock downs, closed borders, booster jabs, and maybe vaccine mandates — then think again!
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:39am
  - Clownworld
    
    Politics has never been so corrupt and our politicians are all puppets of a corporate communist one world govt direction.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:52am
- mawm
  
  Lee C – Well said.
  
  This link is to a introspective writing by a British doctor about Covid 19. He is the first of hopefully an avalanche of doctors who feel that they are able to speak out now. It is very good and I’m sure will reflect what many here have felt for some time.
  https://metatron.substack.com/p/breaking-the-silence
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:12pm
- Ian Boag
  
  None of them have a justifiable counter-argument
  
  Neither side is listening. By your reckoning any counter-argument is non justifiable …. the other side probably feel the same way about their position.
  
  Not a great basis from which to seek a resolution …
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:04pm
  - Lee C
    
    Respectfully I disagree Ian.
    
    And perhaps provocatively have to ask if have you been asleep for the past two years of media and government blanket saturation-propaganda, while they monopolised theri side of the argument?
    
    Alternatively, has it worked so well on you that you have overlooked that the only ‘resolution the Government has been interested in, is securing absolute popwer over ours actions, thoughts and deeds.
    
    Even now they are using the schools to roll out vaxxes to small children a a ‘protection’ against ‘omicron’?
    
    “Seek a resolution” what like turning the sprinklers on and having a bit of a giggle?
    
    That kind of resolution?
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:28pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      You are confusing me with someone who is taking sides.
      
      Neither side is listening. Each believes in the rightness of their position and has what they consider to be justifiable reasons for their position.
      
      Sort of like trying to argue whether God exists …
      
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      February 12, 2022 2:34pm
      - Lee C
        
        One might argue that stating you aren’t taking sides might come across as one who ‘had a side’ but who now realises it was indefensible:
        
        Meanwhile in Canada:
        
        https://youtu.be/3PghoRUr-
        
        [Video not available. mod.]
        
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        February 12, 2022 2:51pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Lee
        
        You have probably heard the expression “a plague on both your houses” …..
        
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        February 12, 2022 3:00pm
Morry45

This petition launched yesterday to support the protest. I can’t be there being in the deep south, but sympathize with their position on mandates.
https://chng.it/WzJMqtZwTW
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February 12, 2022 8:56am
Philview

Well done to MP Michael Woodhouse for taking a brave stance against the Gay/Gender conversion practices bill. He and his family are now a target of much hate and would have been easier for him to fall into line with most of the less courageous MPs.
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February 12, 2022 8:57am
Vory v zakone

So they think Bob Saget must have hit his head on the headboard before going to sleep and died of a brain bleed.

Very curious how they came to the conclusion of a brain bleed when it is well known that autopsies are forbidden within the Jewish community. ?

https://www.tmz.com/2022/02/09/bob-saget-died-brain-bleed-after-hitting-his-head/?adid=social-twa

However it also means…

? He went to bed and bumped his head … and didn’t get up in the morning ?
??
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February 12, 2022 8:57am
kowtow

The rugby which tried to hide at Q’town is buggered .

I wonder how many of the players are in ICU as this batflu , according to the media and regime is so very deadly .

And what of the Warriors , any of them on ventilators yet ?

https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/seven-super-players-positive-%E2%80%94-opener-postponed
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February 12, 2022 9:02am
nathie

Wonder if the Labour Party have been having ~~weekly~~ near daily Zoom type “Editorial” meetings with NZ’s media leadership, in order to regain control of the agenda?

Anyway in terms of facts, it has been reported (by Barry Soper) that the Speaker told journalists not to engage with the protestors.

Looks like most of the MSM has been complying!

But looks like Barry Soper is the last remaining journalist in Parliament that has some integrity and has made an effort to speak to some of the protesters.

Expect Labour to “cancel’ Mr Soper next?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/barry-soper-newstalk-zb-political-editor-on-the-fourth-day-of-parliament-protests/
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February 12, 2022 9:03am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  IMO that is the most despicable thing Mallard has yet done. He is a disgrace to democracy. Sack him.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:20pm
Master Mariner

This will come as no surprises to a few.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127748782/covid19-response-minister-chris-hipkins-presented-a-vaccine-rollout-plan-that-was-millions-of-doses-out-of-whack

“The chart – the one that was hand-drawn with reference to some sort of data on a website (we don’t know exactly what) – was all we had to go on. The way Hipkins was describing it invited the impression this was a formally modelled plan.”

Good to see them getting called out but you really have to tell yourselves, The response to COVID has been a reactionary “Winging it” approach. All Smoke and Mirrors.
I wonder what else is to be called out.
Grounded Kiwis court case has been allowed to have only 300 “viewers” to log on to view.
The rest of us mere mortals will have to wait for final outcome.
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February 12, 2022 9:08am
I remember when

The Anti-Mandate protest.
Is it becoming obvious to the elected representatives that this leaderless mob, that don’t know what they are protesting about, are the representatives of the people who feel that they don’t have a say.
The inarticulate, who those with political science degrees like to think they represent.
They don’t, and when there is a large group of them they don’t know who they are.
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February 12, 2022 9:10am
Maggie Pie

Just putting this out there.

My partner wonders…. Is IWI getting set to buy Kiwibank?
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February 12, 2022 9:19am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Iwi bank ? , and who is paying for it, I do note that this regime has run Kiwibank right down to the bone, probably dropping the price
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:28am
- nathie
  
  Woah that makes perfect sense!
  
  As up until now I couldn’t understand why a Labour Govt (of all Govts) would be floating the idea of selling off one of their key achievements (of the Clark govt).
  
  Thanks for bringing this to everyone’s attention!
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:29am
- yobi
  
  They are welcome to it, kiwibank is a failure, its market share is pitiful and has only survived from being located in postshops.
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:41am
  - Ian Boag
    
    its market share is pitiful
    
    True. So what? Relative to the Australian big banks it is tiny and always was.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:08pm
- Jack5
  
  God help us if they give Kiwibank to Maori. Taxpayers will prop it up for ever while it doles out loans to tribes.
  
  The underpinning security in the vast billions of home lending finally is on the underlying land. Similarly with a large slice of small-business loans. They are secured on starting tradies’ homes.
  
  Maori land is inalienable, unable to be sold, and this contributes heavily to poorer rural housing of Maori. Home loans can’t be secured.
  
  What would a Maori Kiwibank take as security?
  
  Do people need to think about moving their deposits?
  
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  February 12, 2022 9:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Maori only needs Government letter to have full support for KiwiBank under the Treaty.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, considering the iwi industry is flush with untaxed funds I wouldn’t dismiss the idea of spreading the investments…but a bank that pays tax….nah.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:15am
- MCōs
  
  Destiny Church, Gloriavale or the Brethren might be lining up.
  
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  February 12, 2022 11:00am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    I would happily deposit my money in an EB owned bank, and most likely a Gloriavale one too. Destiny…hard no.
    
    But back to the main point, you seem confused about who is building private business empires using public money.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:38pm
nathie

Perhaps the Prime Minister “cancelling” Waitangi Day celebrations (particularly those at Waitangi itself) has had some unintended consequences?

Judging by the amount of “independent tribes” and “sovereignty” flags being flown at the Parliament protest, and the “carnival atmosphere” at the protest, I wonder if these “types” of guys and gals (and associated hippies) headed down to Wellington to join the anti-mandate protesters, giving them an outlet to vent their frustrations?

If so, surely Ardern and Labour can only blame their own actions (traffic light red back in mid January and the halting of events) as being the catalyst for these protests becoming bigger and bigger (than perhaps what was intended by the original Convoy protestors)?!!!
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February 12, 2022 9:24am
- Lee C
  
  My view is she cancelled Waitangi because she knew it would be protested.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:30pm
MCōs

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Once this mandated inoculation is over with, probably within the next six months if covid-19 starts to fade, will the anti mandate movement turn its attention to other mandates?
I’m thinking of school uniforms in particular, but there are 101 common regulations that could be protested about.
Why can’t cyclists ride over the Auckland Harbour Bridge?
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February 12, 2022 9:26am
- mawm
  
  No, they’ll probably be helping all those who have had/have debilitating myocardial injury, strokes, neurodegenerative disease, other chronic autoimmune conditions, and aggressive cancers between supporting those who have lost loved ones of working aged people who have died prematurely.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:32pm
- Sean OConnor
  
  School uniforms and cycle bridges don’t compare to removing the labour rights of over 100000 workers, troll, or other unprecedented peacetime power grabs by government.
  Your kind would keep mandates forever if given the chance.
  
  PS The government immediately promised the cycle bridge people what they wanted without even waiting for a cost benefit analysis.
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:42pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  MCōs – So will any of those who lost their jobs be compensated? Offered their jobs back? Given a heartfelt apology? Will the vax passes be dropped? Will counsellors be available to mend the family relationships and friendships destroyed? Will the families of those who died via depression and lack of early hospital access be apologised to and compensated?
  Take your forced medical intervention and do whatever you want with it.
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:49pm
mandk

My father in law is in his 80s.

He served his country in the RNZAF, including flying into Vietnam to bring home the bodies of NZ servicemen who had been killed.

In his retirement, his main enjoyments used to be going to the local swimming pool, the library and the club for retired professionals.

And now he can’t do any of those things.

All because, for reasons of faith, he has chosen not to have a covid vaccine.

A vaccine that doesn’t even work.
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February 12, 2022 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Service people treated like shit – same as the US
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:01pm
- mawm
  
  There are many of us like him mandk.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:34pm
- Nickc2
  
  You mean a vaccine that isn’t a vaccine.
  Courtesy Google:
  a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:52pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  But Brenda is still kind and caring. //
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:51pm
Diogenes

COVID “Conspiracy Theories” Have Now Magically Become “Fact-Checked” Mainstream Narrative
The article under the above headline gives a list of things that were villified as misinformation but are now reluctantly being accepted as fact by mainstream media, and some politicians. It focuses on MSM in the USA, but sadly NZ media haven’t yet caught up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/natural-immunity-and-other-conspiracy-theories-have-magically-become-fact-checked
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February 12, 2022 9:48am
cjn

LeeC et al. Great posts! On Daily Sceptic this morning “Authoritarian Justin Trudeau has no excuse for his irrational assault on freedom. Like Jacinda Ardern , Canada’s “liberal” leader has abandoned the fundamental tenets of democracy.” writes Michael Taube in the Telegraph. To the name of Jacinda Ardern I would add Chris Luxon and David Seeless. At least in Canada and in the UK the opposition has a voice.
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February 12, 2022 9:50am
Maggie Pie

And will be interesting to see if the old…..
“I was only following Orders” defense cuts any ice.

https://twitter.com/NZPCA/status/1492229580111101954
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February 12, 2022 9:53am
- Jack5
  
  The Twitter post below the one Maggie Pie links to is interesting.
  
  Jarrod Gilbert, author of Patched: the History of Gangs in New Zealand, writes we should be proud that not one MP addressed the protesters.
  
  Here’s another link, this time to Jarrod Gilbert saying (in part): “We need to work with the gangs. Get along side them. Give them a hand.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/359335/gangs-are-changing-we-should-too
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:07am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Jarrod sounds like a fine chap//
    An educator too. Thank God we took our daughter out of the education system and spared her this sort of madness.
    
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    February 12, 2022 4:00pm
- kowtow
  
  To what avail.
  
  They are constantly finding excess use of force etc against individual Plod , which results in councilling or some such piffelly “learning outcome”
  
  If a cop uses excess or unjustified force etc then surely that is not an in house HR matter , it becomes a criminal matter which should be subject to charges .
  
  That’s what would happen to Joe Public.
  
  Afterall the police are only also other members of the public given special powers , through our consent .
  
  Or are they not and now subject to the Executive’s orders , a political force above the law ?
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:17am
leoj

The protestors are bloody heroes.
Every last MP is a disgrace.
Masks need to go.
Vax passes need to go.
The moving goal posts need to go.
Labour/Greens voters need a brain.
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February 12, 2022 10:02am
blue collar

Hey stuff and herald … let’s see a % report on pro labour articles , anti opposition articles … in fact every party with an anti / pro % .

Very very interested .

They did it once to justify something back in the day , let’s do it again with these parameters
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February 12, 2022 10:03am
Graham Sharpe

The daughter of a friend of mine was assaulted and spat on as she went to school on Thursday by a group of these protestors because she was wearing a mask. This crosses a line and requires a police response incuding dogs and truncheons.
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February 12, 2022 10:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The real protestors have been infiltrated by the scum rent a mob. Same pond dwellers are always at protests
  
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  February 12, 2022 11:58am
- kowtow
  
  They will be easily identified ( lots of cameras etc in the city centre) and should be arrested for assault .
  
  No question of that .
  
  That is separate to the protest on the lawn.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:37pm
- ByGolly
  
  All hearsay and your suggested response is ridiculous.
  This is not North Korea.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:46pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yes police response and arrests for assault. “Dogs and Truncheons” is just childish invective.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:47pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  I think that’s a bit tough GS. She’s only a schoolgirl trying to stay ahead of the ever-changing rules from above. Releasing the hounds and truncheons on her seems a little over the top.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:52pm
- Philview
  
  Unfortunately Ardern’s policy of stripping people of many rights is dangerous. MPs are thick if they can’t see where this is heading.
  
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  February 12, 2022 2:52pm
- Lee C
  
  Sorry mate this sounds made up.
  
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  February 12, 2022 2:53pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I call bs. Even the most rabid anti mandate person I know doesn’t give a shit about others who choose to wear masks, and certainly not children.
  Your comment is hearsay without witness evidence. Where is the complaint to police?
  If by any remote chance someone actually did this, which I doubt, then of course they should be dealt with.
  Make sure you recommend the same treatment to the cops who dragged people by the hair, knelt on people’s heads and otherwise assaulted peaceful protestors.
  
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  February 12, 2022 4:05pm
birdhaven

I see Matt King has left the National Party over their suport of the governments vacine mandate. I have also left the party as National are the same as Labour.
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February 12, 2022 10:16am
- wilderbeast
  
  I’ve been pretty disappointed to see in bright lights National’s crippling conservatism. Resist change and action no matter how necessary it might be. I always thought they’d have the moral fibre to spring to action if the shit hit the fan, but it turns out they don’t. Watching conservatives bounce around within the boundaries Labour has set has been hilarious. Apparently National is a “pro-vaxx” party by its own proclamation. What does that even mean?
  
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  February 12, 2022 6:14pm
birdhaven

https://youtu.be/Z_TZvyQKzsQ
This is what I call a leader.
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February 12, 2022 10:19am
nathie

Do you want to know what’s scary?

We know from experience (over the last 4 years) that Ardern’s Labour Party are not pragmatic, that Ardern and Labour do not admit when they are wrong, that Ardern and Labour will not back down (unless forced into a corner).

So the question that needs to be asked of the PM and Labour is, how do you (Ardern/Robertson/Labour) intend to diffuse the protest situation?

I suspect that Ardern and Roberston do not know, which is a grave concern (for NZ society eg everyone).

I suspect that Ardern and Robertson are so out of their depth (yet again/as always, and covered up by the compliant MSM) that they don’t know what to do, i.e. how to lead and manage.

That’s why we are seeing “stupid” unplanned and ad-hoc reactions, like Mallard having a laugh by turning on the sprinklers (indicating to the media that it is a big joke to him), having Police turn up with batons then removing them a few hours later (because of “optics”), and absolutely no leadership from Ardern over this matter (unlike John Key or even Helen Clark).

I really didn’t want to comment much on these protests over the last few days, thinking the protesters will have their say and they will leave within a few days.

But what’s happened over the last couple of days has appalled me – whilst the majority of Police are professional and doing their job demanded of their masters (Labour and Police HQ), a handful of them have let the profession down (eg the un-resisting tied up 14 year old that had his head squashed by a thug) … Speaker Mallard’s immature bullying by telling the MSM not to talk to protesters and then the sprinkler idiocy was the last straw) … PM Ardern indicating the (majority of) protesters do not have valid concerns and are not “representative”.

Anyway enough about me, what’s worse is that Ardern, Robertson and Labour themselves are caught in the headlights and don’t have the ability to diffuse the situation.

Ardern, Robertson and Labours incompetence will potentially see the protest escalate …. if things get worse then the only honorable thing Labour can do is have senior figures resign – looking at you Ardern or Robertson or Mallard.
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February 12, 2022 10:30am
Benedict Yu

I was speculating this morning about whether the police might resort to tear gas at parliament. The Tall Redhead says that she does not think that New Zealand police would have stocks of tear gas or be trained how to use it. I guess that is good ?
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February 12, 2022 10:38am
- Cassandra
  
  That won’t happen. Not because NZ Police aren’t trained but because it’s unnecessary. The protest will fizzle. Most of those participating will have to get back to work.
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:43am
  - DeepBlue
    
    What work? If you’ve been ostracised and mandated out of your profession, trade or job why wouldn’t you hang out with like minded people.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:21pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I think better than 50% chance it will grow as it has increasingly high profile and impassioned people with ability to travel are likely to start joining in.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:50pm
- MCōs
  
  Police used teargas to flush a bloke out of a house in Ch’ch only three months ago.
  NZ Police does not use tear gas for crowd control
  https://fyi.org.nz/request/11049/response/41160/attach/2/K.L%20Ng%20IR%2001%2019%2023197%20signed.pdf
  
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  February 12, 2022 10:55am
  - Jack5
    
    That was to get a man sought after the shooting dead of a teenage boy. Reports have been published of the record of the man, and this supports police tactics.
    
    The police also put a dog into the roof space of the house in this case. Can’t have been too much gas if the dog was put in.
    
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    February 12, 2022 11:12am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I doubt tear gas is a goer in Wellington wind at the best of times let alone with a cyclone on the doorstep.
  
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  February 12, 2022 11:04am
  - MCōs
    
    Apart from anything else it would be a pr disaster particularly as there’s children involved.
    
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    February 12, 2022 12:17pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Due to shortages and delays in the Supply Chains we have now trained a Police to use Fly Spray and involves less training and is more cost effective while reducing our Co2 foot print.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:59pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  On a similar vein Marcus Lush was gleefully suggesting on Thursday night that mounted police worked well in Melbourneand should be used here.
  
  I wonder when the hatred and vilification of this group will lead to the use of rubber bullets – again something Dictator Dan had his force deploy against the people of Melbourne.
  
  Every time the establishment are vindictive to these protestors is actually showing themselves up. NZers are generally a fair minded people, the majority won’t support Goliath over David.
  
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  February 12, 2022 4:31pm
Tempist

Random question – is Wellington now officially New Zealand’s freedom camping capital?
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February 12, 2022 10:40am
- Zero Kindness
  
  Perhaps, but Picton has more cars, trucks etc. parked up for the long haul as well. They have a bigger camping ground.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:12pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    The Council have negotiated a peaceful rearrangement of the protest location for Wednesday. Given they are camped out on the local cricket ground/park it is a very honourable and peaceful solution.
    
    Take note Mallard.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:25pm
Hugh Jarse

Trevor about to join Ashley, Kelvin, Ayesha, Kris and Clarke in witless protection ?
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February 12, 2022 10:43am
- DeepBlue
  
  Add Nash, Nania, Robbo and now even Jacinda
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:33pm
I remember when

Extreme cold in world experiencing climate change:
Climate change causes the extremes of both hot and cold temperatures to become stronger and the places where record cold or heat occurs more diverse.
1 Feb 2021: Heilongjiang Province China -49.7C
During February, the average contiguous US temperature was 30.6F, 3.2F below the 20th-century average, NOAA announced. The 19th-coldest in the 127-year period of records and coldest February since 1989.
Oklahoma City’s negative 14 degrees broke the previous record of 4 degrees set in 1903. It was Oklahoma City’s second-coldest temperature since 1889.
29/7/21 Unusually cold weather in Brazil with rare snowfalls in some places.
4/12/21 Fort Selkirk, Yukon -46C
8/12/21 Oymyakon (Russia) -61.1C
2021 was Australia coldest year in a decade.
Washington Post: South Pole posts most severe cold season on record.
If it gets any warmer we will freeze to death.
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February 12, 2022 10:44am
- Master Mariner
  
  Cyclone Dovi heading SE and dissipating, However the potential for a lot more rain ( Standard as expected but where? ).
  Seriously looking likely Westport will be hit again unless starts to track more Easterly.
  No let up yet for Coasters and potentially the worst yet to follow.
  
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  February 12, 2022 2:17pm
ex-golfer

Anyone else finding it highly ironic that after deliberately choosing to ignore the Convoy in its early days and joking that “its not very big”, leftists and the MSM are now scrambling all over each other to denounce the protest, write the best “gotcha, its all about right-wig extremism” stories*, express surprise at how the protest has lasted so long and now call for mass arrests?

*see uber-privileged Marc Daalders latest piece where his research amounts to interviewing 2 people not even at the protest and monitoring a few social media channels. After all that “hard work” he denounces the protest as a far-right wing extremist organization – despite it looking more like a revival of Woodstock.
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February 12, 2022 10:48am
Alan Wilkinson

Every protest has its crazies and the opposition MPs know the biased Lefty media will identify them with the worst they can find or imagine as soon as they show support. Just as they do with Trump. But they should have the courage to state and stand by their principles. Anything less is abdication.
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February 12, 2022 11:12am
Lee C

National: ‘The other Labour Party’: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1338138819981099&set=a.1229673434160972

What a laughing stock.
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February 12, 2022 11:48am
- kevn
  
  @Lee C… Gone. Was that the pic of Luxon gazing longingly at the protesters from a Beehive window?
  
  [Quit this persistent personalising your posts. mod.]
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:20pm
  - Lee C
    
    Yes it was.
    
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    February 12, 2022 3:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The fundraiser for the convoy in Canada has been frozen by the Canadian Court. I thought the fundraising was done in the US? They have no authority.
Don’t give in to socialist control – same in NZ.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/ontario-government-freezes-givesendgo-fundraiser-for-trucker-convoy-by-court-order-givesendgo-lowers-the-boom/?
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February 12, 2022 11:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

Fight4NZ keeps posting a blurb that starts with disclaimer

One of the points it make is this:

– vaccines are 1-off treatments the components and products of which are completely metabolised out of the body within days.

Clearly he has not read this recent research paper:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)00076-9?rss=yes#relatedArticles

One of its key findings:
Vaccine spike antigen and mRNA persist for weeks in lymph node GCs (germinal centres)
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February 12, 2022 11:55am
- surfing
  
  Did you read it? You missed the disclaimer…
  “in some cases.”
  
  Since you quoted it (and read it?), I trust you agree with the conclusion…
  
  One of the positive developments amid the global calamity of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has been the rapid design, production, and deployment of a variety of vaccines, including remarkably effective mRNA vaccines encoding the viral spike.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Did you read it?
    
    Yes, I did… that is how I knew it had been posted on KB numerous times.
    
    I note this repeated piece does not have an identifying author or date.
    
    Is it really the work of Fight4NZ?
    
    Where are the back-up references for some of the scientific statements.
    
    As you can see, I posted a recent paper that calls into question one of the claims.
    
    I do not agree that the Pfizer vaccine we are using is effective against the omicron variant.
    
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    February 12, 2022 2:36pm
    - surfing
      
      No, I mean did you read the paper you posted!
      
      I haven’t taken much notice of Fight4NZ, not sure what they’ve posted but for some reason the person elicits strong oppostion… .the worst insult is just to ignore so you’re probably doing the guy a favour.
      
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      February 12, 2022 3:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well, yes, I have read the paper, but suffice to say much of it is well beyond my level of knowledge.
        
        However, I am bringing up the point that I accepted for two years the information that the Pfizer mRNA and its spike proteins are rapidly broken down in our bodies… because that was what I was reading in popular accounts of the way the vaccine worked.
        
        This paper I posted presents evidence that the vaccine mRNA and the Wild-type spike protein can hang around in Lymph cells for a number of weeks (at least).
        
        Now , I’m not an immunologist, so I don’t know if this matters or not. All I know, is that this paper is presenting information that contradicts this statement from our Min of Health.
        
        The genetic code then gets broken down and removed very quickly and easily by our body.
        
        https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-how-pfizer-vaccine-works#mrna
        
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        February 12, 2022 4:19pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      “I do not agree the Pfizer vaccine e we are using is effective against the omicron variant.”
      
      Well Maggie, you have the support of Pfizer CEO Bourla on that one. He said something similar but then promptly followed with they are aiming to have one out in March that will be effective.
      
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      February 12, 2022 4:20pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ah, the disclaimer! Vaccines work. most/some of the time. There are no adverse effects most/some of the time.
    The Pfizer Risk Management Plan used by Medsafe to “approve” this jab has a long list of missing information regarding the impact on the most vulnerable people who it is meant to protect.
    There is no long term data. They identified myocarditis and pericarditis as a risk along with anaphylaxis. There were alarm bells all over this document and they were ignored by our medical regulators.
    
    https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
    
    Now, Pfizer is issuing warnings to investors that the data they wanted suppressed for 75 years (overturned in court) is likely to reveal information that might have a negative impact on share prices.
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=476
    No wonder they don’t want the safety data released.
    
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    February 12, 2022 4:35pm
Maggie Pie

One thing I have noticed recently, is the growing number of re-tweets from the Twitterati expressing concern about HIV/Aids and the need to get tested 🙁

Anyone else?
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February 12, 2022 11:57am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Prob wanting to tack on a c19 test, just for fun?
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:18pm
  - mawm
    
    Maggie – there has been something lately about the Queensland Uni Vaccine incorporating an HIV protein that has lead to positive HIV tests, but this is old news and why it was withdrawn.
    
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    February 12, 2022 7:55pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – UK Column have picked up on that as have a number of outlets. Covid is running out of steam, the new battleground is being prepared so the mRNA jabs can be sold into another market. Well worth watching this episode which talks about it in detail.
  There is an orchestrated media campaign, as there was with covid. Of course Fauci is all over this too. The pandemicists must be stopped.
  
  https://bit.ly/3rGBBU7
  
  And Billy Goats/Gates has a new book out about how we need to prevent the “next pandemic”.
  
  https://www.gatesnotes.com/How-to-Prevent-the-Next-Pandemic
  
  We’re so lucky to have these people out there caring for us and protecting us.//
  
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  February 12, 2022 4:47pm
- curry4me
  
  It’s to do with multiple vaccinations against the CCP virus suppressing, or damaging peoples immune systems.
  
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  February 12, 2022 5:25pm
- wilderbeast
  
  I’d be more concerned about the flu. I’m sure the PM is warming us up to mandatory vaccines….
  
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  February 12, 2022 6:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But will get last year’s flu vaccine for this year’s variant?
    
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    February 12, 2022 8:25pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You know it makes sense. Brenda said so.
      
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      February 12, 2022 8:40pm
bjools

Was watching a US news program, they came up with something obvious, that I had missed.
In fact, I haven’t heard this on NZ News.
Inflation….5.9%
Term deposit rates…..2%
Surely we want to encourage saving?
Gambling becomes the only way to break even?//
Any OAP, who has saved for their retirement, who votes Labour, must be senile.
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February 12, 2022 11:59am
- surfing
  
  No we want people to spend…. that was the issue in japan, people saved too much, crashing the economy.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:50pm
  - bjools
    
    The more people save locally, the less private money has to be borrowed from overseas lenders via OUR banks.
    
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    February 12, 2022 2:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AlJazeera – Trudeau. The convoy is hurting the people, hurting the economy, disrupting the whole Country.
Nah mate, you fucking are, look in the mirror
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February 12, 2022 12:12pm
Alan Wilkinson

Bugger. Just wasted a minute of my life reading a Jack Tame column in the hope there might be something relevant or sensible in it. Don’t bother.
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February 12, 2022 12:15pm
- bjools
  
  Thank you for your service.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:18pm
- leoj
  
  Tame has to wear a scarf, full time.
  He is so wet behind the ears.
  Needs a scarf to mop it up the wet.
  Name goes with the wetness. Funny that.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:39pm
- Nickc2
  
  Slow learner Alan?
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:40pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Misled by the headline. Haven’t done it for several years so thought he might possibly have matured. Nope – never an original thought or useful observation in his pap. Just a space filler.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      People like him never mature. Target audience is 13 years old
      
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      February 12, 2022 1:45pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  That article just about made me puke. What a twat. He literally put on paper exactly what people are saying about the media. Total waste of interest traffic.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:20pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Dreadful little piece indeed. Just another brain dead kiwi journo zombie
  
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  February 12, 2022 5:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is good shit. You will not hear this on play school TV1 or any NZ media.
https://rumble.com/vupht5-reporter-stunned-when-protester-walks-up-and-says-most-unexpected-thing.html?
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February 12, 2022 12:21pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Excellent video. Just as relevant here in NZ.
  
  You just cant beat Honesty in all its forms
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:17pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The trouble is, there are no Journalists in NZ worthy of congratulating AFIK. IMO, they’ve all been tapped with the Ardern Wand of Bias and Corruption.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trudeau sounds just like Jaspinda.
https://rumble.com/vuf7rr-internet-points-and-laughs-at-justin-trudeaus-attempt-to-defend-mandates.html?
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February 12, 2022 12:25pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  That’s because they’ve both been issued with the same script:
  
  “Fringe minority”
  “Do the right thing [while we remove your rights]”
  “Help protect others”
  “The key to unlocking freedoms [which we have taken]”
  “Follow the science [unless it contradicts us]”
  “Dangerous misinformation [because it contradicts us]”
  “Protect our democracy [by silencing dissent]”
  “Mysoginist/racist/terrorists/white supremacist elements [i.e. we are really desperate now]”
  
  Never before has so much been said, while saying so little. I just roll my eyes at this point.
  
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  February 12, 2022 2:45pm
Gravelroad

I see the pink supremacist, Dr Wiles, has emerged out of her self imposed R&R period to assert on Twitter that “white supremacists” have taken over the protest at Parliament and Something Must Be Done Urgently.
Perhaps she should visit and talk to them.
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February 12, 2022 12:32pm
- ByGolly
  
  Yes why doesn’t she waddle down and use her advanced ” science communicator” skills?
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:48pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Don’t think she could walk that far and they’ve taken all the carparks.
    
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    February 12, 2022 1:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Public transport? What if someone notices her? How embarassing, a highly qualified person on a bus/train
      
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      February 12, 2022 1:50pm
- Cinematic
  
  Yes, why spout off via Twitter or the media as Hipkins etc have? A short trip will have you face to face where you can address your concerns in person.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:49pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Brain Tamaki is a white supremacist? LMAO This always cracks me up.
  
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  February 12, 2022 12:59pm
- mawm
  
  FFS – do these people disappear off and have a frontal lobotomy or what? Their reflex mantra of racist, far right wing, white supremacist, misogynist has become so meaningless, and yet they think they are so smart to be able to identify such.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:48pm
Lee C

Perhaps a ‘omicron’ blow-out followed by a ‘lock-down’ will end the demonstrations.

Like Wuhan cleared Hong-Kong of demonstrators are the start of this circus…
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February 12, 2022 12:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t give them ideas. There are some in Govt dopey enough to do it
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:52pm
info@cruzpro.com

Driving Western Hill Drive (SH1) in Whangarei this morning the wife and I were pleased to see a large number of people waving anti-vaccine mandate signs on both sides of the street. Still a lot of support for the Freedom Convoy 2022.

Again, nothing in the Northern Advocate about this.
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February 12, 2022 12:44pm
Jack5

A New Zealand bomber pilot who flew more than 100 missions in World War 2 and was three times decorated for bravery is the subject of an obituary in the Telegraph (unfortunately behind its pay wall).

Wing Commander Tom Horton has died in America, where he retired after returning from New Zealand to the RAF in 1946.

Horton, from Masterton, from 1943 flew Mosquitos in the RAF Pathfinder force. Early in the war he first flew Fairy Battle light bombers, then Blenheim and Boston bombers. Three times he returned to Britain on one engine in flak-damaged planes.

After the war he commanded a Coastal Command squadron, and from 1964 to 1966 he was at the Pentagon as a NATO appointment. He stayed on in America, and worked for some time in real estate in Virginia an Florida.

The comments on the Telegraph article include a post from one Roger Quirk, in Maori, which, translated by Google Translate, says: Greetings, Goodbye, Rest in Peace.
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February 12, 2022 1:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! Just notice,d Stuff published a piece on Tom Horton nine weeks ago.
  
  It has some comments from his daughter in America.
  
  The Telegraph obituary is better.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127230826/decorated-kiwi-wwii-pilot-dies-in-the-united-states-aged-101
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:11pm
wilderbeast

How about Jack Tame’s latest political manoeuvring here:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-jack-tame-only-a-fool-wouldnt-take-some-of-those-messages-seriously/2DOPOIFUNE5PDSNKPVQOY7LA5Y/

If that counts for journalism I’ll eat my hat. Must be a pretty direct beneficiary of the PM’s slush fund for obedient journalists.
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February 12, 2022 1:23pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  You don’t mind intelligent opposition but Tame is just mindless dumb.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:36pm
- graham
  
  Could you briefly describe what Tame has scribbled this time please?
  
  I prefer not to give them the satisfaction of my click increasing the number of views, especially if it’s going to both (a) infuriate me (highly likely as it’s Jack Tame) and (b) waste my time reading something that is probably a load of sycophantic codswallop.
  
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  February 12, 2022 1:53pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Says a couple of his journo mates have been threatened by protestors, probably not true, then conjures up fake outrage and characterises the whole protest as comprising dangerous individuals. Yawn….
    
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    February 12, 2022 5:55pm
Alan Wilkinson

Biden doing for Ukraine what he already did for Afghanistan – ordering Americans to leave:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/war-within-the-week-us-issues-grim-warning-on-ukraine/MLSPFFHBSYC3GBXWLQM5N4B5YA/
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February 12, 2022 1:32pm
I remember when

Report from Tangimoana fishing competition today:
Maxed out on Snapper early on.
Just had to release them and try again.
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February 12, 2022 1:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What is happening in the US in the middle of the night? The Democrats want this.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/the-bodycam-footage-we-should-all-be-sharing-whats-really-going-on-with-illegals/
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February 12, 2022 1:39pm
Max Mansplain

So 454 new cases in the community today whereas at the border there was a giant 8…

Now what was the reason for MIQ again?
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February 12, 2022 1:51pm
- kowtow
  
  Wotever justification they had before , it just ain’t there no more .
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:56pm
Maggie Pie

Goodness….did anyone else watch that haka the Protesters performed?
Tongue poking, throat slitting, umbrella pointing….it was sooo intimidating!!

I suggested my partner go up and lock the gates and check the lawn-sprinklers are working ok 🙁
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February 12, 2022 2:05pm
Nickc2

Robertson’s full of shit. He deliberately forgets Labour initiated protests where violence and civil disorder were the conduct of the day (Springbok Riots anyone?). It’s getting to him, and he’s running scared.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/right-to-protest-lost-for-those-who-threaten-harass-and-disrupt-robertson-says/ar-AATKDiQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Protestors, keep up the good fight!
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February 12, 2022 2:15pm
- Ian Boag
  
  40 years ago. Like yesterday ….
  
  Like it or not, the world was a different place. Red Squad would have been cracking heads – at the time I was a foundation member of Cowards Against The Tour – didn’t really approve of the head cracking ….
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:28pm
- Peter S
  
  Labour and the Greens are completely lacking in the self awareness to realize that they are not, and are not seen as the upholds of the oppressed, but have themselves become the bourgeoisie oppressors themselves.
  
  They are also re-enacting and mirroring all of the historical mistakes made by past oppressors from the French Revolution onwards when confronted by protests.
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:48pm
  - curry4me
    
    “Workers of the world unite”. Nooooooooo! Not like that. Quick, send in the cops. Turn on the sprinkler system.
    
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    February 12, 2022 5:32pm
Yvette

Giant from Dunedin – The problem is the Tamiki thugs and those alt right activists have infiltrated the protest, what are Nats to do? – side with that lot?

Sorry, I may not have expressed myself properly – “lost it in translation” – but I am suggesting Luxon only call for the gathered, now-washed masses to send ten delegates in to talk to him (chaotic as that may be) but inside Parliament somewhere, not out on the bloody steps of the House.
Take away some of their leaders.

Then Luxon would have done what Ardern hasn’t, and reasonably ended any confrontation as far as National is concerned. What happens next, including the state of the lawns, is Labour’s (especially Mallard’s) problem.

Inside, Luxon can listen a while, then thank anyone who showed up to make a delegation of ten, if they can manager one, and say he will obviously think about it.

He can even split them up – dismiss each as soon as they have had a say, explaining less numbers are safer and he can’t afford to catch covid, especially if they are unvaccinated.

I’m sure Luxon could come up with a twist or two himself. Go for it. Like tomorrow, if it lasts that long.
It sounds like a plan, ~~Stan~~ Christopher

Don’t make an announcement of an announcement about doing it
Just do it – when it is raining quite a bit, and have a big National umbrella or borrow a BNZ one.
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February 12, 2022 2:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Keep your eye on Canada for the next 48 hours. Justin Trudeau is desperate and desperate tyrants are dangerous.
Take notice NZ. He wants to fine and arrested the truckers, jail for 1 yr, and put their trucks in confinement. That will really solve things and bring the country to a abrupt halt.
https://rumble.com/vupmgg-trudeau-goes-full-tyrant-issues-scary-threats-to-freedom-convoy-protesters.html?
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February 12, 2022 2:35pm
- kevn
  
  @Steve O… trudeau is from the same school of ‘thought’ as arden.
  
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  February 12, 2022 6:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Slash the truck tyres? Brilliant. Then how do you move an 18 wheeler?
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/cnn-analyst-and-former-obama-dhs-official-demands-police-slash-tires-arrest-canadian-truckers/?
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February 12, 2022 2:44pm
- Ian Boag
  
  The truck thing is interesting.
  
  A lot of trucks in NZ are owner-operated under contract. They generally require significant regular cashflow to stay ahead of the bank. Not a lot of that when you are parked up in Welly.
  
  And I don’t know what Mainfreight or PBT or Toll or whoever would say if a driver (employee) has parked up one of their trucks for an indefinite period in Welly.
  
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  February 12, 2022 3:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Drivers may leave the truck and semi right where it is if they are not the truck owner. NZ has had enough of socialist bullshit from Jaspinda.
    Many will just retire, go on jobseeker, and then go boating/fishing
    
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    February 12, 2022 4:32pm
  - kevn
    
    @iboag… Very few trucks parked up in Welly now.
    
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    February 12, 2022 6:10pm
nathie

Stuff headline: “Live: Protesters use carpet, hay to combat mud”.

Further on: “Protesters lay hay over the mud to stop people slipping. Matthew Tso/Stuff”
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Has Speaker Trevor Mallard deliberately caused a Health and Safety hazard due to his foolish actions (that of having the lawn sprinklers turned on since last evening to flood the protesters out)?

If so, yet another flouting of the rules (that Parliamentarians wrote – H&S) by Mallard, no doubt approved in principle by Grant Robertson, Labour’s ~~Deputy~~ PM.

Where is missing-in-action ~~figure-head~~ PM Jacinda Ardern and is she going to rein in Mallard’s (and Robbo’s?) stupidity?

Certainly this is bad optics for Labour, and experienced and wiser PM’s (like Clark and Key) would never have left such deliberate rule flouting and stupidity happen!

Jacinda Ardern is out of her depth, hiding not leading, yet again!
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February 12, 2022 2:58pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Brenda doesn’t do “leading”, she only does easy headlines that make her seem “kind and caring”.
  
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  February 12, 2022 5:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I see online Dom Post is adopting some of our Host’s techniques:

1. They are running with a banner indicating how many days Transmission Gully is past its 5th deadline for opening.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post

2. They are doing a weekly expose of questions not answered by our public servants
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300511420/things-we-didnt-learn-this-week
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February 12, 2022 3:07pm
surfing

Damn, Deltacron is now a thing.

Hopefully it is the mildness of omicron with the lower transmissibility of delta — as opposed to the severity of delta and higher transmissibility of omicron.
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February 12, 2022 3:31pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well there was always a risk of Original Antigenic Sin, it was warned about by a number of experts many months ago. The danger of jabbing during a pandemic forcing the virus to mutate to something worse. There has been a lot of evidence that indicates it is happening.
  Something dismissed without a shred of evidence by a couple of the usual trolls on Kiwiblog like F4NZ. No supporting data, just their assertion that it isn’t a thing. Rod Jackson, apparently an “expert” has never heard of it.
  
  Here’s a link to the latest information suggesting it might be happening. From the NIH in the US. They are part of the US Dept of Health. Not fringe “conspiracy theorists”.
  
  “The bombshell in the paper is that boosting with the Omicron-specific vaccine substantially raised antibodies to the original Wuhan strain, and was better at neutralising Wuhan strain than Omicron strain. This means that… well, the authors say it themselves:
  
  The observation that boosting with either mRNA-1273 or mRNA-Omicron resulted in the expansion of a similarly high frequency of cross-reactive B cells likely stems from the principle of original antigenic sin, otherwise termed antigenic imprinting, whereby prior immune memory is recalled by a related antigenic encounter (Davenport and Hennessy, 1957; Davenport et al., 1953).”
  
  The pandemicists must be stopped. They are experimenting with all of our lives. Jabbed and unjabbed.
  
  https://bartram.substack.com/p/the-us-nih-state-that-oas-is-a-likely?r=u4qo&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
  
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  February 12, 2022 7:48pm
Pineapple Lumps

Hard to get ones head around the dissonance between the articles in today’s herald:

1. Ashley Bloomfield gunning for 100k per day booster vaccinations as our best defence against Omicron.
2. Article from the Financial Times on the quest to find the Universal Vaccine. This states the current vaccines were developed for the original Wuflu variant, had diminished effectiveness against later strains and was ineffective against Omicron. Likely an effective vaccine for Omicron ready by March.
3. The Herald themselves continue to push for 90% vaccination level for 5+ year olds and boosters for 18+.

It doesn’t take much journalistic skill to ask the questions:
– Why is my newspaper pushing vaccination with a not fit for purpose product?
– Why is my employer promoting 5-12 year olds to undergo a useless medical treatment?
– Why is the NZ Director General of Health not aware of the vaccines ineffectiveness for Omicron?

I just can’t believe how ignorant the majority of Kiwis are.

Also, for all the people that are complying with a system that they know is flawed … YOU are the system. That’s right, anyone double jabbed, boosted who don’t want to be. Anyone who has a fake vaccine passport. You are not clever, you are complying and your compliance is used to perpetuate the discrimination.

This only stops when we say NO!
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February 12, 2022 3:33pm
- bronny1
  
  The bit I find newly odd…Fizzer has withdrawn its application for EUA for its u der 5 yr old vax because, to paraphrase, it spdoesnt seem to produce any antibody activity.
  
  So what was the data on 5-12 year olds? What changes over that period pre puberty (mostly) that got some result for that cohort?
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:06pm
DeepBlue

Having resigned from the National Party today, Matt King is free to join the protesters this afternoon.

I do wonder if he will stand as an independent or as the leader of a New NZ First party.
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February 12, 2022 3:34pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  ACT?
  
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  February 12, 2022 4:45pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Why, so he can suddenly stop supporting the protest like the rest of ACT?
    
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    February 12, 2022 8:04pm
- curry4me
  
  New Conservatives?
  
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  February 12, 2022 5:35pm
Maggie Pie

“Has anyone been to check on Trevor’s $600,000 slide?”

– Chris Bishop.

LOL!!
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February 12, 2022 4:05pm
- mandk
  
  I have today, as it happens.
  The kids at the anti-mandate protest were using it as a water slide.
  Great fun.
  
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  February 12, 2022 4:50pm
Maggie Pie

And I see where our Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta has just issued a Press Statement….. ‘that all New Zealand Citizens should leave Ukraine immediately’.

No mention what they should do about an MIQ spot.
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February 12, 2022 4:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Mahuta will look into previous voting patterns and tell the 757s and C130s to get ready
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February 12, 2022 4:39pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW…..

Holy Mother!!

Trev thinks HE’s got problems?

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1492337338328186880
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February 12, 2022 4:49pm
- curry4me
  
  That’s really impressive, thanks for posting it. I wonder how many of us have cousins in the crowd?
  
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  February 12, 2022 5:39pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… TV1 news give it a carefully edited (to minimize the numbers) 30 second spot.
  
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  February 12, 2022 6:07pm
cjn

Let Douglas Murray (Telegraph 12/2/22) have his say in this great thread! “Empathy is an over-rated trick in political leadership….Much more important are grit, capability and expertise. Neither Ardern nor Trudeau have demonstrated any of these traits and their populations are suffering as a result.” The headline of his article is “Ardern and Trudeau the woke darlings of the western world are finally getting their comeuppance.”
Came the day!
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February 12, 2022 4:52pm
Prince

One thing is clear from watching the demo.
Trevor Mallard is a remarkably stupid man.
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February 12, 2022 5:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

First of the well-known entertainer folk to support the protestors

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/news/127757184/tiki-taane-voices-support-for-vaccine-mandate-protestors-at–parliament
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February 12, 2022 5:48pm
- Mike
  
  I seem to recall Kiwibloggers are big fans of Tiki Taane.
  
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  February 12, 2022 6:16pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    I thought that too.
    It makes it all the sweeter now, though; it’ll scramble feelings on the pro-mandate side much more than on ours, not least of all because that’s where his fan base is.
    
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    February 12, 2022 8:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like all tomorrow Interislander ferry crossings have been cancelled.

https://www.greatjourneysofnz.co.nz/interislander/plan/arrivals-and-departures/
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February 12, 2022 6:18pm
mandk

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-parliament-protests-enter-fifth-day-despite-sodden-conditions/KRZ3NHOVFXS2GNPMDAWZOQU2HA/

The article quotes a NZ Herald reporter as saying ” the atmosphere at the protest is tense and aggressive”

The reporter is either lying, or hadn’t even been there.

The atmosphere was the direct opposite of that. It was relaxed and good humoured.
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February 12, 2022 6:37pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  mandk: it’s great to hear these firsthand accounts from you and krazykiwi. Also footages on Freedoms and Rights coalition Facebook page of Chantelle Baker, showed people all well behaved.
  
  The Media and the Politicians have reason to be scared of this crowd. The media have been responsible for letting Ardern et al away with dividing and discriminating. They have dehumanised and vilified these people for refusing to bow down. The media need to get into the crowd and do their jobs ie interview people. Politicians need to get out of the ivory tower and listen to the people. But neither want to uncork that bottle of truth.
  
  Those people protesting have my utmost respect. They are fighting for my rights and the rights of all, even those that discriminate against them. I hope and pray they are joined by many more, and stay the course as long as it takes to bring the tyranny to an end.
  
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  February 12, 2022 7:59pm
  - mandk
    
    Thanks PL
    
    I will post a report about my experience at the protest today on tomorrow’s GD.
    
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    February 12, 2022 9:34pm
info@cruzpro.com

Hopefully all 122 people arrested in Wellington in support of the Freedom Convoy 2022 will request a jury trial. If I was on the jury there wouldn’t be chance of conviction.

Tell me where I can contribute to their legal expenses.

Mallard turned on the sprinklers then started piping in loud music. What a (insert your worst description) .
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February 12, 2022 7:13pm
graham

Okay, Trevor Mallard is obviously treating this like one gigantic game now.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-parliament-protests-enter-fifth-day-despite-sodden-conditions/KRZ3NHOVFXS2GNPMDAWZOQU2HA/

Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has started his next attempt to make life uncomfortable for the protesters outside Parliament, by setting up speakers to boom Barry Manilow, the Macarena, and Covid-19 vaccination messages at them.

Mallard said: “We wanted to make sure everybody here had the warning about trespass and because of the number of unvaccinated people in the audience, we believe it’s important to promulgate messages about vaccination.”

He said the 15-minute loop of music and Covid-19 ads would play on repeat, possibly through the night.

Err … so how, exactly, does Mr Mallard know what “the number of unvaccinated people in the audience” is? Or is he just making stuff up … as usual?

And this is the same Trevor Mallard who, a couple of years ago, launched an independent review into bullying and harassment of staff at Parliament. Maybe he should look up the meaning of the word “ironic”.

What an embarrassment this man is.
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February 12, 2022 7:26pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Trev is going to get a very public lesson in the only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to the bully.
  
  Only have to the power to throw politicians out of the house Mr Speaker, not the front lawn.
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:05pm
- fernglas
  
  I was involved with the removal of Occupy protesters from Aotea Square a decade ago. Despite the fact that they were a rag-tag bunch with no clearly discernible cohesion and some rather odd opinions, they were treated with dignity and respect until the protest finally came to a halt with them being moved on lawfully.
  By contrast, this Speaker is behaving like a petulant child with his sprinklers and speakers. Is there something special about Covid that entitles those in power to behave in a high-handed and arrogant fashion towards those with whom they disagree, or is it simply now acceptable in our democracy for those who wish to protest or object, to be treated like animals?
  
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  February 12, 2022 8:14pm
- Nickc2
  
  Mallard should be arrested for disturbing the peace and breaches of noise abatement regulations.
  
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  February 13, 2022 7:34am
marcw

Two hits in one day – another article in The Telegraph uncomplimentary to Ardern published 2 hours ago. Written by David Cohen.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/12/jacinda-ardern-turned-new-zealand-hermit-kingdom/ (may be paywalled)

Comments feature these words: fascist, disgrace, stubborn, arrogant, sinister, narcissistic.

Nice quote from one poster – “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it. [H.L. Mencken]”
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February 12, 2022 9:28pm
- DistantObserver
  
  https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/12/jacinda-ardern-turned-new-zealand-hermit-kingdom
  
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  February 13, 2022 4:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ardern and Trudeau are the Ken and Barby of world politics. A matching set of despots with an agenda that has nothing to do with democracy and has no interest in the health and wellbeing of the citizens of NZ.
  This is all about their role as WEF Young Global Leaders under the instruction of Klaus Schwab. End of story.
  
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  February 13, 2022 7:19am
Hometruth

an extremely odious man he is
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