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Warren

Having watched One News last night where I heard Jacinda Ardern make the excuse that all the hard decisions she has made on Covid – 19 is the reason the polls haven’t been good for her, I couldn’t believe how arrogant she is.
Also in the same peice of news Jessica Mutch and Melissa Stokes showed their judgements in siding with the Prime Minister but politics are about honesty and if you look at this Government’s policy you would understand, with Three Waters , decisions on Maori Language and the separation of of the Health system giving Maori there own Health Board, wit also the millions the media have received to promote Labours agenda.
So if these Joun can see the facts because they are blinded by the Prime Minister’s popularity they have there head in the sand and can’t change there one sided view.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/30/jacinda-ardern-christopher-luxon-approval-ratings-revealed/
Chris Luxon has hit a milestone to be more popular at his job than the Prime Minister with Luxon approval rating 22 points to Jacinda Ardern’s 15 points in One News poll rating.
This is good because it finally looks like the Country as a whole have finally got sick of the lies.
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January 31, 2022 8:00am
- Sacha
  
  They may have been hard decisions for her, but it’s clear that the general public think they were the wrong ones.
  Rebellion is everywhere. A family member declared last week that she was damned if she was going to get a booster (the previous week I got a fierce lecture about my fate as long as I wan’t vaccinated EVEN ONCE!) and I was so taken aback that I forgot to ask why she had changed her mind.
  Yesterday, a small group (non-family) all agreed that if we got the sniffles, no-one would be getting a ‘test’.
  The result is that whereas a couple of weeks ago I was feeling like an outcast, now I’m feeling distinctly optimistic, and hopeful that sanity is beginning to prevail.
  Hooray!
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:58am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No surprise that (probably) 100 percent of my friends and colleagues are vaccinated and most of them will get boosters. But in discussions, NONE of them plan to get tested if they get symptoms. For obvious reasons.
    
    Of course if we had these rapid tests we could get tested at home and take our own prudent isolation measures.
    
    I was listening to Dr John Campbell this morning (the COVID educator). He was scathing about this 14/24 day isolation rule. He pointed out that this would simply ensure that few people got tested.
    
    Does this government think any of this through?
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:01am
    - RalphT
      
      “Does the government think any of this through.”
      Silly question. When does this government think anything through?
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:06am
    - Jim
      
      Facing the broad empirical data (science truth) about Omicron, why would any non vulnerable person not want to benefit from the natural immunity it affords (also to Delta), especially when considering the minimal health risk and generally cold like inconvenience?
      On the government isolation plan ( a malingerer’s dream) many people can’t afford to isolate that long, let alone want to be home detained during the summer. Yet the Omnicron data says an incubation period of 2-3 days!?
      This Government has again undermined business and societal confidence, making people reluctant to commit funds to make any reasonable plans.
      
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      January 31, 2022 1:41pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “…generally cold like inconvenience” I agree with you entirely Jim, despite a long, confused and very addled piece of propaganda in $1uffed this morning declaring the opposite.
        
        Well, to be honest I have no idea what it was declaring, other than fealty to the narrative of their paymasters. Some nonsense about how we can’t say it’s “mild” but “it’s definitely milder”. Another idiot said if he was faced with a choice of going into a room with Delta and a room with Omicron, he’d choose the room with Delta as the chances of getting it are less, even if the effects are more severe. I suppose nobody told this idiot that catching Omicron is not only highly likely to be asymptomatic or like a cold at worst, but it also gives you much better immunity against Delta.
        
        Never has the expression “(S)he who pays the piper calls the tune” been so tragically apt.
        
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        January 31, 2022 4:33pm
    - blue collar
      
      Is that the plan ??
      
      No one tests ….
      
      Omicron numbers low …
      
      Brenda saved us again !!
      
      Surely I’m wrong …..
      
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      January 31, 2022 5:52pm
- I remember when
  
  Warren:
  Not the ‘hard’ decisions on Covid.
  Simply made a decision (elimination) and arranged the ‘facts’ around it.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:36am
  - Harriet
    
    “Do this or face death.”
    
    Day after day after week after month.
    
    No one gets tested in Aussie now either — unless workplaces make you. Everyone is getting boosters though.
    Everyone wants to go back to work other than ‘pay guaranteed public servants, teachers, nurses….’
    
    “Do this or face debt.” – Luxon.
    
    Day after day………
    
    He wins. 😎
    
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    January 31, 2022 12:18pm
- solarsailer
  
  Ardern’s tenure has been characterized by an inability to make difficult decisions, while dressing up easy decisions as difficult. On Covid she’s done nothing but follow the status quo: lockdowns and referral to experts. Now the Covid narrative is falling apart, both globally and domestically, shes found wanting.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:52am
  - Don Beckett
    
    She’s in lockstep with Trudeau in Canada, both are implementing the W E F agenda.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:08am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Sadly Don it turns out Klaus Schwab is more Dr Evil then Dr No and all his acolytes were not very well selected. Sure they might have believed in his agenda but they lacked the skills to implement it.
      They had at best 1 year while we were traumatised to do it but liked the absolute power too much and lacked the knowledge that this power would be fleeting as we woke up.
      This will fall over quickly but we are in for a wee bit of pain first I think as the Red Queen has a tantrum.
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:19am
      - mawm
        
        The princess is sure to blame everything on the misogynistic, racist, white extremist anti-vaxxers.
        
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        January 31, 2022 1:16pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Schwab is a shiver looking for a spine to run down. That thick, Teutonic accent used to prognosticate a joyful future defined by transhumanism shows him to be the synthetic spawn of Josef Mengele and John Rockefeller.
        
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        January 31, 2022 2:56pm
    - Sacha
      
      If you read young Robert Kennedy’s book “The Real Anthony Fauci” you might suddenly notice that the NZ Government has been following the Fauci pandemic management plan to the letter. I had to stop reading when I realised that I could at one point substitute Ardern for Fauci.
      He is an evil, manipulative man, whom Kennedy describes as ‘charming’ so it’s not surprising that the likes of Ardern and Trudeau were easily convinced to follow the plan.
      The tentacles spread far and wide, and we should be prepared to chop them back.
      
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      January 31, 2022 4:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Reading books like that will rot your brain.
        RFK Jr has been peddling nonsense about vaccinations for nearly 20 years
        
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        January 31, 2022 5:08pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Miken, just to confirm you’re not just making shit up in service of your tribal affiliations, can you put your cards on the table and give some concrete and clear examples off the top of your head (no rush to search engines to cherry pick on the hoof eh)???
        
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        January 31, 2022 8:51pm
  - crikey
    
    If experts’ determinations are not validated by outcomes perhaps they don’t deserve being called experts.
    
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    January 31, 2022 12:35pm
- Paulus
  
  No more than you would expect from Jacinda, her usual hypocritical self.
  She knows no difference and never has done so.
  Becoming very sad and will get worse until she goes,, sooner than later, when she gets well beaten at the next election – if she is still here.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:30am
Benedict Yu

Benedict Yu reporting live from Kàinga Ora land in Chistchurch.

On Friday my close associate went to do a routine inspection. Bunch of gang members in house.

“Who are you?”

“We are house sitting for Bob.”

“Bob needs to notify us if you are house sitting.”

My close associate decides not to argue. Phones the police. She has them on speed dial.

Armed police evict the gang. Some had warrants for arrest. A couple ran off. House trashed.

Shortly after credible threats by phone to Kàinga Ora office. Locked down

Still no sign of Bob.
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January 31, 2022 8:05am
- cmm
  
  Gangs are the type of entrepreneurs that can smell weakness and victims and turn it into opportunities.
  
  What weakness has there been in the last few years?
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:08am
- slightlyrighty
  
  so…why has this not been reported by the Media?
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    How would the media find out? Stuff like this happens literally every other day in Christchurch alone.
    
    “Gang members evicted from State house. Tenant on the run. Phone threats to tenancy manager.”
    
    It is no longer news. I report it here because I have a source, literally, on the ground. But I’ll get sick of it at some point.
    
    More seriously, my major concern in all this is the welfare of my close associate. It is only a matter of time before serious harm occurs to one of these tenancy managers.
    
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    January 31, 2022 8:56am
    - cmm
      
      BY: Serious questions:
      
      1) Do KO provide these people with self defence/conflict handling training?
      2) Do KO provide them with suitable equipment such as stab-proof vests?
      3) Do KO provide them with the psychological tools to feel safe doing this work?
      
      This is a serious H&S issue. An employer has the responsibility to provide both the equipment and training for a worker to be able to do their job safely, both physically and emotionally.
      
      If, heaven forbid, a worker gets harmed – which seems to be just a matter of time – then KO have failed.
      
      Unfortunately these organisations seem to put all the pressure on their workers with very little support. A similar thing happens with mental services nurses who are often beaten up by the patients. I know two who were beaten up then accused of not thinking of the needs of the patient who beat them up.
      
      When these large organisations fail, the people in the ivory towers that make the woke policies are never damaged. It is the people at the coal face.
      
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      January 31, 2022 10:52am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        They get no physical protection like stab proof vests.
        
        See the problem is that the narrative is “these are nice people”. You can buy the house next door. But if they have the tenancy managers stab proof vests, that line would fall to pieces.
        
        They do get monthly meetings with a counsellor to talk through any issues.
        
        Basically, they have the police on speed dial.
        
        My concern is that my partner will encounter a meth head with a knife. It is only a matter of time before a KO manager is seriously injured or killed.
        
        On a positive note, my partner does get rewarded by helping people. There are perfect state house tenants who are grateful for the house. She has spent the last two years trying to put all the problem tenants together. But it is not always possible. For example the 501 deportees from Australia are top priority for a state house. And they are ALL trouble.
        
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        January 31, 2022 11:33am
      - cmm
        
        BY: I can only imagine how those monthly counsellor sessions must go:
        Worker: I feel very unsafe when I am being threatened by gangsters.
        Counsellor: That’s just your selfish self speaking. Think of the poor gang members they are the real victims here. They need wrap around services from KO, including the ability to air their threats that are suppressed in a Western-baissed Colonial society. You need to provide them with a means of expressing their historic needs.
        
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        January 31, 2022 3:29pm
      - mawm
        
        BY – If that is the case she should leave. Nothing will change and there is only one likely outcome where she’ll get badly injured. Her life is not worth it.
        
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        January 31, 2022 6:47pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Benedict. It seems to me Costers plan is to contain the Gangs on the basis that they dont impact 99.9% of the population. Alas the 0.1% they do impact are the poor and disadvantaged. Middle class folks like me living in the leafy burbs hardly ever see a gang member except maybe in a group on the motorway and then stay well clear of them.
      Coster is taking the view that as long as they kill or maim each other the ocassional ‘civilian” is collateral damage.
      
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      January 31, 2022 3:57pm
  - curry4me
    
    slightlyrighty: I can think of 110,000,000 million reasons why not.
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:49am
  - Stamper
    
    There are 58 million reasons why the media do not report these incidences.
    
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    January 31, 2022 4:28pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Bob possibly wearing concrete shoes somewhere…..?
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:33am
The Other Enoch

Cuddles Coster, Marama Davidson, Poto Williams, oh yes, and that’s right, the housing minister whose name escapes me at this minute.
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January 31, 2022 8:12am
Yvette

Luxon has higher approval rating than Ardern
From the 1 News article –
… Those polled were asked if they approved or disapproved of the way Ardern was handling her job as Prime Minister.
… Those polled were asked if they approved or disapproved of the way Luxon was handling his job as National leader.

There is no ‘connecting’ question, like, “Do you think Luxon would perform better than Ardern, as Prime Minister?” – in whatever way you would word that to be neutral – so why the jump in logic, to in fact be illogical, to compare two actually unrelated separate questions about handling separate jobs?

With –
Jacinda Ardern: 52% approve, 37% disapprove
Christopher Luxon, 42% approve, 20% disapprove
– why not just add both percentages in each case and state 89% of voters express an opinion about Ardern and only 62% express an opinion about Luxon, so Ardern has a 27% higher interest rating?

Is the whole comparison not just fucking rubbish, of the type that the Labourless Government continually pulls, so much more so under Ardern’s Communications degrees of manipulation, that her rating is stink, all by itself, without the need of any erroneous comparison to Luxon.
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January 31, 2022 8:13am
- RoboRob
  
  Yup. The questions around the opposition leader are pretty useless. Most of NZ has little or no knowledge of Luxon. I know who he is and have heard part of one speach. I have no idea if he would be good or bad as a leader. His results are more ‘I don’t like Labour / I do like National’.
  
  JA on the other hand is known and understood, poll results actually show what people think.
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:53am
  - Jim
    
    Agree Luxon is unknown. He needs to quickly set out his stall describing what he sees as important issues for Kiwi’s, and more vitally his (self confessed) USP, the realistic delivery plans.
    
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    January 31, 2022 5:53pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Whatever it is, it seems to have caused an apoplectic rage meltdown for some on the fount of all knowledge that is Twitter.
  I don’t do Twitter, but one of the inmates here does and has shown me a thread by a Labour Party crank called Phil who really should get a grip.
  Feel sorry for the guy that one poll result should be so desperately confronting for him.
  He blames the media.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:08am
  - Yvette
    
    Gravelroad
    Phil has been sucked in without fully examining the illogical comparison of the separate questions and the survey, media and now public acceptance (or manipulation) of the answers, and Phil should contemplate that before joining any more dopey dots.
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:28am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Heh – and #Lexie too, trying to say that Stuff and NZH are demonstrably anti-Govt…
    
    Labour’s social media foot soldiers are incredibly touchy
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Well I stumbled on Gerard Otto’s Facebook page this morning. I thought I was reading a Monty Python skit. He referenced the Whoreald article on the weekend about Chris Bishop at home among other things that he perceives as media “bias” against Ardern!!!!
    
    “This direct promotional activity for the National Party by NZME’s NZ Herald newspaper stood out as a prime example of partisan media bias in New Zealand.”
    
    “In a nutshell the NZ Herald are collaborating with National’s focus upon themselves rather than focusing on what is important to New Zealanders.”
    
    I seriously did snort and laugh out loud, my cornflakes almost finished up on the roof. The whole piece is hilarious, worth a read for the stench of desperation.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/gerard.otto/posts/10160290416762033?notif_id=1643574109548023&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:06am
    - Gravelroad
      
      This is what happens when one political party has been lulled into a sense of smug security regarding soft media scrutiny.
      One day it has to be addressed – and they just can’t cope.
      
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      January 31, 2022 10:34am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        They have a belief that all the fluff articles have to be about their idols, and only derogatory crap should be written about the opposition.
        
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        January 31, 2022 10:45am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Statistics are like mini-skirts. They’re nice to look at, but they hide the really important stuff.
  
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  January 31, 2022 4:41pm
kowtow

Another day , another hit in the cartoons against the right , today’s target Seymour , this time stuff .

Does anyone remember the same constant negativity towards the Greens when they were in opposition.
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January 31, 2022 8:14am
- RoboRob
  
  Haven’t looked at the political cartoons in years but my memory was that 90+ % of the cartoons featured govt MPs becuase people knew them and they did things. Once they dump Scott (?) they turned into random attack cartoons.
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:55am
- BeaB
  
  It is shocking that all our cartoonists are propagandists for this government. Emmerson is even giving Luxon the hooked nose he gave John Key. Is he saying all National leaders are members of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy? Has he gone mad with his ardour for Ardern?
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:00am
Yabster

from Hobson Choice

made a submission but got an email from the Maori affiars committee saying submissions by email won’t be accepted… complete bullshit !!

I’m sorry to email you over the weekend – but unfortunately, it’s rather urgent. Separatism is once again being forced upon New Zealanders through the second attempt to entrench unelected tribal appointees into local government.
The Government has been quietly in the process of passing the Canterbury Regional Council (Ngāi Tahu Representation) Bill. The Bill creates two unelected positions on the Council for Ngai Tahu to appoint. There is not even a requirement for a democratic process in the tribal appointees.
Seperate Maori wards is one thing, but to add unelected, unaccountable, iwi/race-based “representation” onto a regional council is totally inconsistent with any notion of democracy and equality.
I’m emailing to ask for 60 seconds of your time to make a submission against the Bill. We’ve drafted a template – https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/canterbury_regional_council?e=9d80dbba05a22e55d05c234d69212f0a&utm_source=hobsonspledge&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=220130_ngai_tahu&n=3

Make no mistake, this is the big kahuna. The Bill entrenches tribalism at a council level in a way that directly undermines local democracy. If this Bill goes through, what’s to stop iwi groups around the country from demanding the same thing?
The Bill will inevitably lead to further unelected, unaccountable, race-based iwi appointments onto local councils.
The Government’s tried to pass this law before. Back in 2019 National, New Zealand First, and ACT MPs defeated the bill. But the Government now has the numbers, so this time only people power can force the Government to back down.
Click here for details on how to make a submission.
This Bill will result in a system that:
• is profoundly undemocratic
• increases bureaucracy and cost
• compromises environmental protections through conflicts of interest between Ngai Tahu business/property interests (as one of the largest business interests in the area) and the Regional Council
Ngai Tahu, as with all iwi, are already afforded special interest and consultation in all aspects of local and central government through existing legislation.
Entrenching affluent tribal elite into positions of power is not the process by which better outcomes are achieved for those in need. We need to acknowledge that this is now about the protection of tribal business interests at the cost of democracy
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January 31, 2022 8:18am
- H. Upmann
  
  Will National reverse this corruption?
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:49am
  - Other_Andy
    
    Name me one Labour Policy National has reversed as soon as they took over. National is a caretaker government, it consolidates Labour social policies until Labour comes back and continues.
    John Key was a prime example.
    He danced to the media strings, staying ‘popular’ as long as he followed their directions.
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:56am
    - Debsta
      
      Unfortunately it is what modern democracy demands. The true tyranny is a dummied down population caused and assisted by education and msm having been taken over by socialist idealogues.
      
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      January 31, 2022 2:48pm
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  January 31, 2022 8:52am
- Albert_Ross
  
  So you’re telling us that Hobson’s Choice are too incompetent to read and follow instructions as to how to get a submission to a Parliamentary committee?
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:29am
  - zulumonster
    
    I suspect this may be an attempt to circumvent the use of a interest/activist groups using templated responses for submissions.
    I understand the reasoning even if I don’t agree with it. Submitting should be made as easy as possible and not allowing emailed submissions seems petty and self-serving.
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:25pm
- Yvette
  
  Yabster – Entrenching affluent tribal elite into positions of power is not the process by which better outcomes are achieved for those in need.
  
  Besides the lack of trickle-down to those who need assistance, in so ingratiating the elite, what really is Ardern’s end-game?
  
  While seeming to promote a partnership now, are Ardern, Robertson, Mallard and even Jackson going to finally want to share “governance” or is something else their aim?
  Ask ourselves that.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:45am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Better still – ask them that. My guess is it will be studiously ignored or categorically “refuded”.
    
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    January 31, 2022 4:50pm
- alan
  
  I had same reply, no emails. This is insulting.
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:25pm
kowtow

The Herald still milking the Bellis non story for all it’s worth.
Another big front page today.

She “….had to turn to the Taliban for help….”

No she didn’t .

I suspect there’s a book in there somewhere , she’s unemployed , and having a child in the UK , Ireland , Belgium or Germany just wouldn’t sell as many copies , would it ?

Remember folks all this romancing the Taliban as saviours of un wed single mothers is pure propaganda .

Don’t fall for it just cos they are currently useful in showing up our bunch of extremists .
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January 31, 2022 8:20am
- amospicton
  
  It’s not meant to show the Taliban as saviours kowtow but to illustrate in rather stark terms just how inhumane our beloved leader is. And it seems to be working.
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:52am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s a lot more to this Bellis tale than the Media having a go at MIQ.
    
    Bellis was a patsy for the Taliban press conference and AL Jazeera got that infamous first question in.
    AJ is a proxy for the Qatar govt which is very close to the Taliban. She now continues to be their Poster Girl only now it’s not on Al Jaz’s account , it’s on her own account.
    
    The herald and other media promoting this can’t have it both ways .
    
    They shilled for lockdown and all the other draconian loss of freedoms associated with wuflu .
    
    Now they’re milking a story which is a consequence of the very policies and govt they have so heavily promoted , and been paid to do.
    
    The angle is the Taliban is more caring of a kiwi than her own govt . That is pure rot . And pure pro Taliban propaganda.
    
    You guys should be a bit more discerning in what is going on here and not allow your blind hatred of Cindy to mask wot’s really going on with this Bellis Bollox.
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:54am
    - Jack5
      
      The West walked out, now the world lives with Afghanistan run by the Taliban. Not sure there was any other option.
      
      The country was at its most stable, and probably most progressive, in the 40 years to 1973 under Mohammed Zahir Shah. The restrictions of Islam would even then have seemed severe to New Zealanders, who also had more rigid views on society issues in those days.
      
      At least one former refugee to NZ from Afghanistan now has an important role in the Taliban (link below).
      
      Regardless, Charlotte Bellis is one brave reporter, and the MIQ system is crap.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/12/taliban_spokesperson_is_a_kiwi.html
      
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      January 31, 2022 10:43am
      - marcw
        
        Charlotte Bellis was happy to go along with the media and support Ardern and Labour with their lockdown and MIQ policy – until reality hit and suddenly she was faced with the same intransigent and inhumane system many other Kiwis have had to face for over a year. Oh dear, this is what it takes for the scales to fall from their eyes. Her being personally impacted by a system others with less of a public profile have just had to ‘suck it up’.
        
        One benefit of her personal tragedy here is at least her public profile will get more attention, locally and internationally, than all the other 10’s of thousands of those who suffered before her.
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/30/pregnant-woman-forced-appeal-taliban-new-zealand-covid-rules/ (paywalled)
        
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        January 31, 2022 11:03am
      - kowtow
        
        Brave ?
        
        She was there under the auspices of AJ .
        Qatar are close to the Taliban . She was a mouthpiece for the enemy.
        
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        January 31, 2022 11:45am
      - Jack5
        
        Kowtow’s …She was a mouthpiece for the enemy.
        
        The enemy? Once the West washes its hands of Afghanistan, is its government, even if it is the Taliban, the enemy of the West?
        
        If terrorism is launched from there, probably, but is that happening?
        
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        January 31, 2022 12:04pm
      - kowtow
        
        Jack5
        
        How many NZDF were killed there , by them.
        The enemy.
        
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        January 31, 2022 1:46pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s irrelevant if we like or dislike the work Bellis did whilst in Afghanistan.
      
      She is a pregnant NZ citizen and needs to deliver her baby in a safe environment.
      
      If she was a 501 criminal extradited from Oz, NZ would have to bring her home.
      
      If she was an ISIS bride with NZ citizenship, then NZ has to bring her home.
      
      But who does NZ bring into the country secretly?
      Non- NZers
      A failed Afghani politician and 13 family members.
      Folks who were safe in Turkey (and thus not refugees).
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300490811/former-afghan-vice-president-given-safe-haven-in-new-zealand
      
      How did they get preference over other folk wanting to return to NZ?
      
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      January 31, 2022 10:55am
    - amospicton
      
      I think you’re still missing the point kowtow. We all know the Taliban are awful and Jacinda has a way to go to reach that level. However, Charlotte Bellis is pretty much a perfect facsimile of an Ardern fangirl and she has turned. When supporters turn it catches people’s attention. Ray Avery’s been making the same point for a while but with less impact, because he’s white, male and not young. Therefore his views can be ignored. Charlotte though is quite different.
      
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      January 31, 2022 2:10pm
  - cmm
    
    There are two completely separate issues here and they really should not be conflated:
    1) Bellis is a Taliban shill. It is hypocritical of her to flip-flop to The West Is the Best as soon as she’s pregnant.
    
    2) MIQ is an awful system that has little merit and is extremely poorly managed.
    
    When we’re discussing the MIQ part then we can put Bellis’ shilling for the Taliban to the side. It is not really relevant.
    
    Bellis says that Cindy would not apply the MIQ rules to herself. She is correct in that. Cindy changes the rules for her friends.
    
    For example, they made a special “experimental” route for people to self isolate at home. It was used to get Jimmy Shaw and his entourage home without MIQ, then was quietly shelved.
    
    That is corruption.
    
    This special rules for Cindy’s mates nonsense has been going on from the start:
    * Sroubek
    * Dereck Handley getting a NZ CTO position and department created for him as Cindy demanded
    * Tova
    … the list goes on…
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:03am
    - Clownworld
      
      MIQ is a symptom not the cause of the problem.
      As rightly pointed out cmm Ardern and her masters and the entire govt who made these terrible decisions are accountable and responsible for the mess that is MIQ.
      
      The worst thing to happen to NZ in my lifetime is this.
      
      NZers divided by rules that make no sense and the majority of kiwis are happy to follow the rules even though they know they are immoral, irrational and evil.
      
      It is easier of course to comply than lose face, lose “mana”, respect and be shamed for taking a stand against the Empress new clothes.
      
      Easier to “just” wear a mask, scan the thing, get the jab than be treated as a criminal, worse a traitor to the country you lived in and for.
      
      Easier to not lose your job or lose your business but say that’s ok it’s for the “greater good”.
      
      Easier to take the subsidy and just be quiet.
      
      NZers now have to take a look in the mirror.
      What is “this is us?” even mean.
      Look at yourself, is your integrity higher than your pragmatism?
      What is your red line?
      What are your non-negotiables?
      If the govt ask you to tell on a neighbor or a friend or a family member for the greater good?
      Will you?
      
      Just a few questions that I asked myself too.
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:20am
      - bronny1
        
        I will not comply with any of it.
        I rarely go to shops, the guy in Kathmandu today asked after me as i swept through the door “had i signed in”; without looking back i said “we are good thanks” and continued on. Simple as that.
        
        I have not been anywhere that requires a vax pass. I have still been eating out on occasion, just takes a bit more scouting.
        
        I called the bluff at the organisation i volunteer at. I am valuable to them, but the only unvaccinated volunteer (out of close to 100). I said I will not support an organisation that support this division, they have decided not to mandate.
        
        I quit my sport group after one of them had a hissy fit about an unvacced person doing outdoor (non contact) sport in the group. I have just rejoined after the remainder of the group asked me to, and indicated they will stand up if that conversation happens again.
        
        I have not yet had to lose any work (self employed). But if it comes to it, I will have no qualms. I have saved so i’m in a position to do this.
        
        Yes, my integrity is more important to me than whether i can have a latte when i want.
        
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        January 31, 2022 3:27pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘ MIQ is an awful system that has little merit and is extremely poorly managed.’
      
      Yes it is and always has been . the media have known this from the very start.
      
      Now it’s one of their own , even a ‘celebrity ‘ journalist and suddenly the media gird their loins and go into combat for her .
      
      More special treatment for special people .
      
      Tens of thousands have suffered the same fate cos the Media created the conditions for the draconian lockdowns and lock outs . They are equally complicit .
      
      They are hypocrites and need calling out too.
      
      Bellis , hoist on her own media petard .
      
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      January 31, 2022 12:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    We are told that the Taliban are sytematically eliminating anyone who may have been working for the Government previously.
    They are violent thugs using Bellis as propaganda.
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:27pm
- Nickc2
  
  Didn’t our Govt pay $3m to the Taliban for something? Ya sure as hell wouldn’t give em money for their Human Rights diligence, or would ya Cindy?
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:18am
  - MCōs
    
    No they didn’t, if you’d been paying attention.
    The money went to the Red Cross.
    https://www.redcross.org.nz/stories/overseas/afghanistan-humanitarian-crisis-faq/
    The Taliban thanked NZ for the aid money, which wasn’t given to the Taliban, but the Red Cross.
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/08/22/taliban-thanks-nz-for-financial-aid-for-afghanistan/
    Of course that didn’t stop those with their own agenda from putting their own spin on where the money went.
    
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    January 31, 2022 3:01pm
    - cmm
      
      MCos are you really that naive?
      
      Do you know how NGOs work in shithole countries? They have to pay bribes to get anything done.
      
      World Vision wants to send a truck of maize meal to some starving village in XXX, they have to first drop off as much as the warlords want first.
      
      When Red Cross gets $3M from Cindystan, then they know they have to pay a “tax” on that and the tax that Red Cross has to pay will depend on how much money they think they can gouge.
      
      Of course the NGOs will blatantly lie and guarantee that none of the aid is going to the warlords/Taliban. They know that if they told the truth then the public would stop donating.
      
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      January 31, 2022 9:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The obvious solution is to never give money to any charities, lest they be unable to meet your standards of perfection.
        
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        January 31, 2022 9:24pm
- ecco
  
  I still appreciate Bellis pointing out how corrupt labour is in bending the Miq rules, depending on who you are eg journalist. Would apply also to letting a uk dj in 3x because of who he knew and was friends with the right people. Ie Cindy and Clarke.
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:13pm
- Paulus
  
  Bellis is a professional reporter who knows how to read the political advantage well.
  At Al Jezeera she was good relating in a manner that suited AJ.
  She was the same here before she went to the Middle East if I remember.
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:25pm
Nukuleka

Yesterday I received a 10 page document detailing the protocols in place under ‘Red’ at one of the primary schools I am contracted to. What a ridiculous shambles of a dog’s breakfast, what a farce, what an unenforceable set of pointless rules and regulations have been set in place by the MOH and MOE. One very minor guideline is sufficient to indicate the absurdity of the entire situation. Although Yr 4 pupils must wear masks, if those Yr 4 pupils are in a composite class with Yr 3 pupils they don’t have to wear masks. I predict a great number of anxious and confused children, and plenty of stressed teachers in our primary schools these coming weeks.
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January 31, 2022 8:25am
- MCōs
  
  I’m picking that events will overtake the regulations if the number of people come down with omicron we’re hearing about.
  Depending on how fast it spreads there’s going to be a good number of teachers missing, either all at once or spread out over several months.
  Kids too and parents as the wheels on the bus go round & round.
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:42am
  - bronny1
    
    and given the number of parents i know that have gotten mask exemptions for their kids….all the other kids in the class will be complaining to their parents that they shouldn’t have to wear them.
    Brilliant.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:08am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The guidelines say you don’t need to wear a mask if …..
      
      “you have a physical or mental health illness or condition or disability that makes wearing a face mask unsuitable”
      
      How many kids are going to be able to get an exemption? Are you saying that parents of perfectly healthy children are getting mask exemptions?
      
      (To emphasise, I am not in favour of young children being required to wear masks at school.)
      
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      January 31, 2022 3:49pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        My understanding is Mask exemption is self-declared. Given medical privacy it is not possible to police. One simply states I am exempt. If questioned then you politely point out that is a matter of medical privacy. Shops etc have a responsibility to check that you are exempt, but no authority to police. This is all on the MOH website.
        
        Mask exemption documents are not required to be mask exempt. So if your kids are confident in claiming exemption then they don’t need to wear a mask.
        
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        January 31, 2022 7:58pm
- curry4me
  
  Nukulea: Can you upload it to Mediafire, or some other file sharing outfit please?
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:00am
NeverMindTheBollocks

More poker from Charlotte Bellis (Radio NZ). Let me into MIQ or I’ll go on embarrassing you & if my baby dies then it will be your fault.

She was not asked why she would simply not go to Belgium. Perhaps she could marry her partner, if that would help.

Note that even if she was able to get into MIQ, it’s doubtful that her partner would qualify – cue ‘NZ made me give birth on my own’ stories.

As things are, she’s not putting her baby first.

A final thought: for someone who’s a clued-up reporter, her lack of insight into the reality of MIQ until it hits her personally is astounding.
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January 31, 2022 8:31am
- greybeard
  
  Charlotte Bellis may not be everyone’s cup of tea: to some people she is selfish, hypocritical and manipulative.
  However, she is a New Zealand citizen.
  
  And New Zealand citizens have the right to leave New Zealand to pursue their personal dreams and vocations and therefore to enjoy freedoms which are not always available to other nationalities.
  She can live wherever she chooses, travel , and work at whatever she likes.
  She can live in what some of us consider unsavoury places and work for what some of us consider to be unsavoury organisations.
  We have, until very recently, all been able to do so.
  
  As a New Zealand citizen Charlotte Bellis should also have the freedom to return to her home country whenever she wishes, as should every other New Zealand citizen.
  But she can’t. And lots of others can’t. Because this current “government” has set in place rules which are probably illegal and certainly not democratic. These rules are abused every day, and seem to be applied arbitrarily depending on the relationship between the returnees and someone on “government” or a government department.
  
  Charlotte’s situation and the resulting publicity may be the catalyst required to make changes.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:13am
  - Clownworld
    
    Imagine though if she was from Israel? Or was the no.1 world tennis player who may or may influence people taking a jab? Or worse was a Canadian truck driver?
    
    Support for her would be gone overnight.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:25am
- kowtow
  
  It goes a bit further back than insight into MIQ .
  
  These people are very happy to work for the Qataris . Where’s the “insight” there ?
  
  Al Jaz is basically owned by the govt , a govt that isn’t exactly liberal in its views of unwed mothers and extra marital sex.That’s being used as one of the basis for her “predicament”.
  Where’s
  the screaming harridans of the # me too journos union calling out these fellow travellers of wimmin’s oppressors , happy to accept their 30 pieces of silver from such reactionaries.
  
  I wouldn’t mind betting that if she was being discriminated against by say a conservative Catholic state or US one the media attention would also very much be against such “reactionary” views . As it is there’s no commentary in that respect , only more pro Taliban propaganda.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:20am
  - Jack5
    
    Kowtow’s …only more pro Taliban propaganda.
    
    Ardern’s PR team of 5000 couldn’t have put it better.
    
    Except they may now stage a dramatic pre-childbirth rescue of Bellis and trump all of us.
    
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    January 31, 2022 12:16pm
- Ehlana
  
  NeverMind, if this is her first child there is nothing particularly odd about her wanting to return to New Zealand to be near her family when she gives birth. Many new mothers particularly appreciate the support of their own mothers at such a time. She may also not be fluent in the languages of Belgium.
  
  I do agree that competent reporters should hardly be surprised that MIQ is a debacle. Perhaps there is a music event happening at about that time which her daughter could DJ at? I’m sure someone can rig up a system to play music chosen by the random movement of a baby’s limbs. Performance art, I think it is called.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:00am
  - Nickc2
    
    Air Force 1.5 has been scrambled and is on the Flight Line complete with Medics just waiting for the signal to go to Afganastan and pick up said person. //
    People taking the piss out of Cindy’s BE KIND ethos must have prompted some action by the Pollies.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:57am
- Taieri
  
  A final thought: for someone who’s a clued-up reporter, her lack of insight into the reality of MIQ until it hits her personally is astounding.
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  “(…)She said watching New Zealand handle the pandemic from overseas made her proud, but she believed it should not be this difficult to make it home and that played into her decision to go public.
  
  “I’ve been so proud and a huge advocate of MIQ, the questions that I’m raising now are if you’re negative, and boosted, and in a dangerous situation abroad, you have to fight as hard as we’re fighting to try to get on a plane.” (…)”
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:38am
- EssenX
  
  Unfortunately, many people trying to get into MIQ do not have the profile or clout to embarrass the Government. Bellis is doing the right thing. She is just the tip of the iceberg for many individuals and families who have been hurt and broken by the illegal, inhumane and unnecessary MIQ programme the NZ Government is running. Bellis might be the catalyst for many young women to finally realise and admit the Government is anything but kind and the restrictions in our country are not only unreasonable, but harmful. Many of Ardern’s fervent supporters are such women and in my experience many older, Pakeha women also support Ardern because she “saved them”. I would say to those women: if Bellis was your daughter, how would you feel? Would you still support Ardern and the MIQ that she has sanctioned?
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:05am
- amospicton
  
  Ignore the messenger and focus on the message and celebrate the fact that she has managed to touch a nerve. Our priority needs to be to get change and this seems to be working. All the other stuff re Charlotte/Taliban etc is peripheral.
  
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  January 31, 2022 2:14pm
tknorriss

Not much to stop Omicron spreading rapidly.
According to this interview with Coughlan from the Herald, it took seven days for the PM to be notified of being a close contact:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/the-sunday-session/audio/thomas-coughlan-the-pm-is-self-isolating-rat-test-scandal-and-the-national-causcus-retreat/

Coughlan also explains how our testing system is already under stress even though we are early in this Omicron outbreak.

Given the speed that people can become contagious with Omicron, waiting seven days to be advised as a close contact is next to useless, and means there could be thousands of people in the community spreading Omicron at the moment.

What a pity we don’t have ready availability of RATs right now as a much quicker alternative.

Nothing much to stop the big sick. So buckle in for a few weeks of chaos and disruption as has been experienced overseas.
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January 31, 2022 8:31am
- yossarian
  
  A few weeks? If everyone has to isolate for 24 days?
  
  And Auckland had a quick sharp lockdown…
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:36am
  - pdm
    
    I will bet you $1 to a pound of goat poo that Prime Minister Ardern will not isolate for 24 days.
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:41am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      The 24 days applies when you live with the person with omicron.
      
      In such a situation it is 14 days isolation for the person with Omicron and then another 10 days for the close contact. It is calculated on the basis that the close contact could have potentially got Covid on the last day of the 14 days that the infected person has to isolate.
      
      So for the PM the period of isolation is 10 days after the flight.
      
      I understand both periods are going to be reduced relatively soon.
      
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      January 31, 2022 10:04am
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        “I understand both periods are going to be reduced relatively soon”
        
        On what basis? New scientific data, or simply, like everything other measure, changes to what are ultimately random edicts based on political expediency that are detached from reality?
        
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        January 31, 2022 11:21am
      - Nickc2
        
        I understand both periods are going to be reduced relatively soon
        And why would they be reduced relatively soon?
        Could it be whenever Cindy gets her Covid Test results back?
        
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        January 31, 2022 11:43am
      - NK
        
        On the basis that *all* the scientific evidence is in favour of reducing these time periods.
        
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        January 31, 2022 1:05pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I had to look you up. You were a National Government senior Minister.
        
        Yet you frequently come on here implying that the policies of this Government are remotely sane.
        
        It is like if you were in office you would do the same shit. Please accept my apologies if I have misjudged you.
        
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        January 31, 2022 7:18pm
    - oldfella
      
      pdm, what about Jethro? If Cindy is infected, then he’s supposedly a very close contact. I’m sure the media would camp outside their gate 24/7 to make sure he was a good boy. /s
      
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      January 31, 2022 10:25am
    - Clownworld
      
      Isolate? Probably more like she in zoom getting her next instructions from the puppetmasters.
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Benedict
      I think the takeaway from Dr Mapp’s comments should be that a national party government would have followed much the same policy as the present labour party government, but executed it more efficiently.
      There are no significant political difference between national and labour and haven’t been any for many decades. Our politics, like most liberal democracies, are based on personalities and brand loyalty. See also: Labor and Liberals in Australia, Democrats and Republicans in the USA. and Labour and the Conservatives in the UK.
      
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      January 31, 2022 7:33pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I guess that is why we are in the shit. Thanks for explaining.
        
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        January 31, 2022 7:53pm
  - Taieri
    
    Sometimes 24 days turns into 40 days…
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/family’s-miq-stay-stretches
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:55am
- kowtow
  
  ‘waiting seven days to be advised as a close contact is next to useless,’
  
  It must be extremely expensive to run but now totally pointless . Won’t stop this bunch of morons though.
  
  That’s their MO .
  
  Time to ditch all and get back to full normal now.Why delay this two year limbo a moment longer .
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:37am
  - curry4me
    
    kowtow: Time to pre-book a one way ticket to Oz.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:03am
    - mawm
      
      Only if you are “fully” vaccinated. I’ve been to QLD recently and the sheep are far more compliant and the penalties for minor breaches are harsher. They’ll have to sort their house out first.
      
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      January 31, 2022 1:37pm
      - curry4me
        
        mawm: I was thinking NSW, and Tassie.
        
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        January 31, 2022 6:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So the system is working as it was designed//
  
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  January 31, 2022 8:54am
- DeepBlue
  
  They will now hope to slow down case reporting (//) for 2 to 4 weeks to avoid Phase 2… where RATS are supposed to be available.
  
  Anyone know what happens if they are not?
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:07am
- Hollyfield
  
  Interesting that the testing system is currently under stress. My daughter had a covid test yesterday. Cold symptoms started Saturday while at work, so she called in sick yesterday, and needs a negative test to return to work.
  I was surprised to find that across all the Central Auckland suburbs there are only 3 testing centres. She got to there at about 9.30am and said there was no queue and she was tested immediately. This at a time when we’re having 100 cases a day. In previous outbreaks, there were queues lasting all day, and people being told to come back the next day. With no queues, people are obviously not concerned about being tested.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:09am
  - Sacha
    
    Next time, she should have a sprained ankle – a couple of 3 days off work, and no swab tests.
    
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    January 31, 2022 12:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Imagine if Our Dear PM and her Buddies had had access to RATs… they might have been able to test themselves days ago…and not gone out and about for a week in a potentially infectious state.
  
  If it takes over 24 hours for the PM to get a result from a PCR test, then our Government may as well throw in the towel, now.
  
  There’s no way contact tracing is going to be of much use when omicron starts on its exponential spread.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:17am
  - Bridgenag
    
    She may have had a RAT test hence the wedding delay and code red……….
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well, in that case, she should have started isolating 1 week ago.
      
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      January 31, 2022 9:57am
Warren

Here is many reasons Jacinda has dropped in popularity in the polls,not because of the hard decisions she makes that she and the media have relayed to the public.
First of all is the Police have been compromised by her inability to leave them do the job that they are paid to do.
Criminals in New Zealand seem to have more rights than the taxpayer public.
Gangs being funded by a Government
that is light on crime and more about being nice and caring.
Tennents in state housing or private sector being threatened by neighbour’s and those in charge giving them a slap with bus ticket.
Three Waters with the Minister and Government not prepared to listen when 75% of the Country’s Mayors are against it.
Maori getting their own Health Ministry and funding that will end up dividing New Zealand.
The media and the 105 Million dollars to promote Jacinda Ardern and her policy to the public, which if you look at it there is only one word to describe it ,bribe comes to mind.
People in the know getting preferential MIQ spots instead of Kiwi Cit trying to get home to see dying loved ones.
A friend of the Prime Minister and her partner from overseas getting three MIQ spots in one year before those who’s loved ones that are dying stopping them from getting home.
The continual saga of the cycle wagon Aucka cycle way on Aucklands Harbour Bridge that had 50 million dollars spent planing on it only to be shelved because of the expence which they already knew.
So for Jacinda Ardern to cry wolf at her bad polls and blame every one and everything else is a bit rich.
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January 31, 2022 8:32am
- Yabster
  
  yep the Great reset is well and truly underway- but the average Kiwi is asleep at the wheel – hopefully starting to wake up.
  
  Add: Bill for Ngai Tahu to have two unelected reps on the Canterbury Regional Council- anti democratic and a conflict of interest given the business interest they have and the fact you can’t take a shit without consulting iwi first…
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:05am
- I remember when
  
  The problem for Jacinda with her current poll results is that she now has a much reduced ‘upside.’
  She is no longer the bright, shining newcomer without any baggage.
  At best, she can try to hold her current position and hope that Chris Luxon and David Seymour don’t grow their following.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Without doubt the most highly polished turd I have ever seen in my life. Astonishing it took so long for the lustre to fade.
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:18am
    - EssenX
      
      Amazing it has taken so many so long to realise! Concerning so many still haven’t! I’m open minded – politics is sport for me – and for a long time have maintained that Ardern is intellectually weak and indecisive compared to previous Labour Prime Ministers and her Cabinet is the weakest, ever, and by some margin. It’s not just a right / left or National / Labour thing, Ardern IS out of her depth and her administration IS incompetent. Savage wept.
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:40am
artemisia

Speaking of Kainga Ora, its waiting list and its waiting lobby aka emergency housing – another sad story in Stuff today. Family of soon to be 7 ‘evicted’ because owner is going to reno and sell. Why selling? Maybe government policies?

Evicted while pregnant: Family terrified of returning to emergency housing

Employees at the Housing Advice Centre in Palmerston North said there had been an increase in people coming to them for help, particularly since the healthy homes act came into effect. “Some landlords want to sell rather than do the work to get it to standard,” said advisor Amy Proctor.

‘Do the work’ but notice no mention of the cost, can be many thousands, and that the ‘standard’ only applies to rentals. Home owners are completely allowed to live in a home that doesn’t meet the
standards.

Article includes photo of black mould in a previous tenancy. That’s really bad but a prospective landlord might also see the level of dirt in the photo.

(Not evicted actually, but tenancy terminated. Quite different processes but ‘evicted’ sounds sadder.)

Ironic that the article is in the section ‘Housing Affordability’.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/housing-affordability/300505722/evicted-while-pregnant-family-terrified-of-returning-to-emergency-housing
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January 31, 2022 8:34am
- Other_Andy
  
  Yep.
  We currently live in a 1990 built house we’ve been living in, very happily, for almost 30 years with our family.
  We will be moving next year but can’t rent out the house as it isn’t up to the standards.
  Will probably be selling instead of renting it out.
  Who wants to be a landlord anyway these days when they are portrayed as ‘greedy lowlife money-grabbing bastards’ by the government and the media?
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:11am
  - artemisia
    
    Some of the new standards are bordering on the ridiculous and even the government concurs. Not that they seem to be doing anything about the, maybe they are but the pace is very snail.
    
    But just as bad are all the other new rules about tax and tenant rights. Responsibilities not so much. Anyone thinking about renting out a home is well advised to read at least the Schedules in the ever larger and more complex Residential Tenancies Act on fines and fees, followed by an hour or two perusing Tenancy Tribunal cases and decisions.
    
    Then run.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:00am
- Spoff
  
  Picture caption:
  “Black mould at the Wesselson’s home of six years, which they left in 2020”
  I knew what Janola was for before I was six years old.
  It is truly depressing to see such “stories” in the press. Have large sections of the populace truly abdicated all self reliance?
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:33am
  - artemisia
    
    To be fair, black mould may not be tenant fault, but dirt is.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:02am
- lifesgood
  
  As always the question has to be asked – why is this a family of almost seven? Why do people not make some sort of effort to provide for themselves before having large families? This is not me being nasty, it’s a serious question. Why does the tax payer have to care for people like this?
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:13am
  - crikey
    
    Once upon a time living beyond one’s means had dire consequences. Now that just doesn’t happen, the Government picks your (read taxpayer) pocket again and problem solved.
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:07pm
Pineapple Lumps

According to yesterday’s Herald, the PMs test results were likely to be known later that day. Yet this morning the Herald article is about the nervous wait for the results.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-nervous-test-results-wait-for-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-and-governor-general-dame-cindy-kiro

How long do you think they will drag out confirmation of the results?

PR team tasked with maximising sympathy for Dear Leader.
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January 31, 2022 8:40am
- Hollyfield
  
  I couldn’t bring myself to click on the link to read that article. “PM has nervous wait”. Utterly ridiculous. She has no symptoms, she is statistically more likely to be negative than positive, so really she has only a minor inconvenience of isolating while waiting for the results. I get that if she tests positive the media will be able to go all out, but it’s hardly a nervous wait. My daughter also got tested yesterday morning. Even though she has cold symptoms she will statistically test negative. If she tests positive we’ll deal with it then, but in the meantime we are not nervous at all.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:39am
  - NK
    
    Is she nervous about having a minor cold for a day or two?
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:25am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Exactly. Whenever I hear that “Person X tests positive for Covid” I immediately think “So what? How is this at all relevant?” Others with apparently little else to concern themselves with love the intrigue involved in the “I wonder who, and how many, has/have been a close contact of X?” game. Again, why is this at all relevant?
      
      Even after 2 years of accumulated evidence to the contrary, the entire suite of Covid policies are putatively predicated on the virus presenting an elevated threat. Can I remind everyone that the emperor that is Covid has no clothes, ladies and gentlemen. As such, if we collectively had any sense, we’d stop concerning ourselves with the emperor’s newest outfit.
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:33am
  - Clownworld
    
    To be fair she definitely is negative. No test required.
    If it was to test is she was posidive. Maybe?
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:30am
- Maggie's partner
  
  it seems she has refuted the results
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:43am
  - oldfella
    
    ‘Refuded’. Stop polishing the PM’s bad English. /s
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:32am
    - Jack5
      
      There’s a difference between pronunciation and grammar.
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:00am
      - oldfella
        
        She’s guilty of using bad English when she resorts to words that don’t exist. And ‘refude’ is not in any English dictionary that I can find. And even if we give her the benefit of the doubt and accept she actually means ‘refute’, she’s using that word incorrectly and needs to check the meaning.
        Apart from that…
        
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        January 31, 2022 12:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Politicians’ mannerisms should be open to satire. People used to chuckle about Jim Bolger’s tendency to lapse into a faux-upper-class UK “aieee” for “I”, plus his tendency to mimic accents of people he was meeting.
        
        Recently, a bit I posted here satirising Ardern’s propensity to pronounce “D” for “T” was deleted. Some are more sensitive than me about satirising politicians’ pronunciation. Since the advent of moderators on Kiwiblog it’s a case of trying to pick the trend in moderator comments.
        
        My point in the post above is that you can mangle pronunciation of perfectly good English.
        
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        January 31, 2022 2:04pm
- westernScientest
  
  The polling to decide the outcome of the test was inconclusive, so they have to do a focus group
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:59am
Over Taxed Worker

Something very odd is going on with the PM and her exposure to COVID-19. My kids have got turn around on their PCR tests in less than 8 hours, but the PM still hasn’t got a result back yet. Does the mean the PM isn’t important or spin is being prepared? And why no mention of her taking a RAT. None in stock, more spin or not clever enough to think of that?
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January 31, 2022 8:43am
- Hollyfield
  
  I don’t think there’s anything odd about the PM not having the results yet. My daughter had a PCR test yesterday morning, no results yet. The last time she got tested was during Delta in August and it took 5 days to get the result. The time before was not during an outbreak and took around 22 hours to get the result. All 3 times she had cold symptoms and was therefore unable to work (public facing role in a company with very high standards of personal presentation and mindful of their public reputation).
  
  The PM had better not have had a RAT – according to the covid website which I checked yesterday my daughter did not qualify for a RAT and neither does the PM. Whether they both should have been able to have a RAT is another matter, but while policy is that they can’t, I would be extremely angry if favoured people were able to access RATs when the public can’t.
  
  Especially after the public outcry after Clarke tried to get his friends access to RATs they weren’t eligible for, the PM would be an absolute idiot to use a RAT herself now. (which of course is entirely possible……)
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:45am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Hollyfield – I have had staff get PCR results in under a day and others it took 5 days.
    
    Difference between your daughter and the PM is that one of them can get their tests put at the front of the queue and instead of going into a batch with 20 others, which then requires individual testing if found positive, the PMs will have been tested by itself.
    
    The other difference is your daughter isn’t using MSM to bolster sympathy for herself!
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:58pm
Tony Stuart

One of these things is not like the other:

1) “Stars” come back to New Zealand for summer holiday – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/spy-kiwi-hollywood-stars-return-home-for-the-summer/5QEMQJ6OCJYPSR2BS72BW3XP6U/#

2) Auckland man has to watch his mother in Ireland die on a video call because he can’t get an MIQ spot to go to Ireland, then return – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-man-watches-his-mother-die-in-ireland-by-video-call-after-failing-to-get-miq-spot/DG4LHTZD4LFQCHCKPSV7W5PSEY/

There’s something fundamentally wrong with the MIQ system. It’s time to ditch it, and allow people to isolate in their homes.
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January 31, 2022 8:43am
- pdm
  
  Inv – unfortunately the disaster that is MIQ will not change until the Government changes.
  
  The current lot is not going to willingly give up the control they have under any circumstances.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:09am
  - artemisia
    
    There must be contracts in place between the government and room providers. Maybe the government has to pay up anyway until the contracts end.
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:38am
- SmokerGuy
  
  This government is rotten to it’s core, no thought or compassion at all towards their citizens. This has been going on for months yet they do nothing. Be kind our PM says, what a complete crock of shit!
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:14am
  - Zero Kindness
    
    Zero Covid, Zero therapeutics for out-patient early treatment, Zero MIQ, Zero kindness…
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:13am
- NK
  
  Something David Seymour was saying 9 months ago.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:26am
  - curry4me
    
    [Deleted – not clever, stop repeating your stupid slogans. mod.]
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:09am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  “It’s time to ditch it, and allow people to isolate in their homes”
  
  Why not go one step further and simply not require anyone to isolate at all? What are we trying to achieve with isolation policies? Pretending that there is any necessity to isolate is just perpetuating the myth that Covid is going to kill us all. It’s not.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This applies to NZ.

Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.

Freidrich Nietzsche.

Let’s keep lying to the citizens
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January 31, 2022 8:46am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  They’ve been lying to me just as long as they’ve been lying to those who still believe their lies though. The difference is, I’ve been able to discern their lies from about 2 weeks after this charade was foisted on us. At some point, it’s up the the public at large to see the lies for what they are. However, the damage to one’s ego that comes from openly admitting, and admitting to one’s self, that one has been taken for a fool and has believed the nonsense may perpetuate the folly a while longer.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:44am
NeverMindTheBollocks

From GETS (Govt Electronic Tender System) this morning: DIA has established a Transition Unit for executing the Govt’s decision on Three Waters reform.

From Nov 2021 to July 2024 the transition from the current system to the new one will take place.

Has the enabling legislation even been passed yet?

Sounds like a fait acomplis to me.
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January 31, 2022 8:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Passed? It hasn’t even been tabled in the House yet. Mahuta delayed the introduction of the Bill prior to Christmas.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2112/S00087/delay-spells-trouble-for-three-waters-plans.htm
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:26am
Jade Warrior

I noted as I walked to work this morning that the Taxpayer’s Union have put up a lot of posters saying “WANTED: Dr Bloomfield for theft of RATs”. And of course, someone has done a very good job of trying to tear every single one of them down.
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January 31, 2022 9:00am
- Nickc2
  
  That’d be the Labour Ferals out and about. Did they have tin hats and hi-vis clothes or were they typical University Students tearing down posters?
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:22am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    Alas I didn’t see anyone tearing them down but I think you are probably right. They certainly moved quickly. The posters wouldn’t have been up for more than a day or two at most.
    
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    January 31, 2022 12:35pm
I remember when

Yeah: Nah:
No Lockdown with Omicron.
Is that going to be the case.
During the week of the 12-19 January in Australia they recorded 703,100 cases.
An equavalent number for us on a population basis would be around 135,000 cases.
If they occured in areas with larger families or greater numbers of extended family how much of the community is available to work, go to school, etc.
Will the result be a form of unofficial lockdown.
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January 31, 2022 9:07am
- MCōs
  
  Prior to the current pandemic is was, or should have been, normal to stay away from work if crook with the flu, bronchitis, etc
  It wasn’t called being locked down.
  
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  January 31, 2022 5:53pm
Sacha

I think we are seeing the end times for the PM. She is a sponge without an anchor now that her guide Dr Fauci is no longer the #1 Pandemic Comptroller.
Who can she trust now? The adoration of 2017 has faded, and there seems to be no way to retrieve it.
The most dignified way to escape might be for her to retire with dignity (Judith Collins) and let someone else have a go.
Or call a general election later in the year, if she can hold on that long.
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January 31, 2022 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I agree..
  
  She’s on the downward slide and she will have to do some damn hard work to reverse her situation.
  
  I expect there are little power plays happening in Labour at the moment…
  
  I’m unsure who will emerge victorious.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:05am
  - Warren
    
    I hope it is Grant Robertson as Chris Luxon will destroy his economy plan if there is one apart from borrowing billions to fund election bribes instead of using it for what it was borrowed for in the first place.
    When inflation keeps rising and interest rates put couple extra hundred dollars on people’s loans a week and all the lovies that have voted for them realize the hardship that will come who ever is the Leader of Labour will lack the skills to fix it.
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:54am
    - EssenX
      
      I agree. I also think Robertson doesn’t have the optics and charisma to appeal as a leader. He’d be the opposite to Ardern and fail the blink test.
      
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      January 31, 2022 11:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Absolutely. She has only survived due to two particular incidents. The Christchurch shooting and Covid. She has been able to manipulate both thanks to the compliant media and her (waning) PR skills.
  Many people saw through her bs very early, others took a little time. The more she is exposed the more desperate she becomes – and thus the more transparent. About time.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:27am
- Taieri
  
  for her to retire with dignity (Judith Collins)
  —————
  
  There’s very little dignity in Judith Collins’ retirement…
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:41am
  - Sacha
    
    We could argue about that, but Collins, once deposed, became invisible – until this morning when someone on the radio mentioned that she was looking forward to the Party meeting in Queenstown. No media comments, or photo ops.
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:09pm
I remember when

Is there no ‘good news.’
Newshub: Chatham Island Oystercatchers at serious risk from predators:
They are found only on the four islands of the Chathams group with each island having a small breeding population.
One of our most threatened species with only around 345 left. The International Union for Conservation of Nature rates them as “endangered” and Doc as “nationally critical.”
By 1970 there may have been as few as 50 birds left.
In the late 1980s the total population was less than 110 birds and feared to be declining.
In 1998 there were still only about 140 before seven years of more intensive management resulted in a doubling to over 300 birds.
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January 31, 2022 9:18am
- Other_Andy
  
  Good news?
  The government with the help of the ‘Greens’ want to spend $ 140 billion (Not a typo!) in the next ten years to reduce the world’s CO2 by a whopping 0.00000005% to save the world, Even better news is that National and ACT are on board as well.
  That must make your day….
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:20am
Cassandra

The foreign ministers of the Quad are meeting in Australia to discuss issues including Ukraine. The chances of our Maori separatist minister being invited as an observer are nil. A shrewder PM would have appointed someone who could work the room, but not this NZ Labour Party. Internal party politics overwhelm everything.
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January 31, 2022 9:18am
- pdm
  
  Willie Jackson rules the (so called) Maori Caucus and this group rules the Labour Government.
  
  Perhaps even more than the Unions at present – but when dosh is needed for election funding no doubt that will change.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:50am
- Pavel
  
  She is way out of her league in that role. While she may allude mana domestically, she doesn’t allude the charisma and energy expected of someone who is a foreign minister representing their country globally. With her vast knowledge of domestic issues and history one has to wonder if she has ever had the time to update herself with foreign happenings. She would maybe be a great leader domestically in regards to Moari issues but she is totally the wrong person for foreign minister.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:14am
  - bronny1
    
    a great leader domestically? A vast knowledge of domestic issues, are you joking?
    … [deleted] …
    
    (and i think you meant exude)
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

Maggie Pie, are you safe in your shitty suburb?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/460551/water-quality-issues-at-auckland-s-hobson-bay-may-take-decade-to-fix

I do hope you have had your polio vaxxs…. and make sure you wear your Balenciaga mask if you are down by Hobson Bay at low tide.
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January 31, 2022 9:20am
- trout
  
  re Hobson bay pollution what is not explained (or understood) is that historically in older parts of Auckland stormwater and wastewater were combined and collected in the same pipework. Stormwater overload and overflow into the Bay takes sewage with it. Separation work in the Hobson Bay catchment was partly undertaken in the 70’s but abandoned in favour of other priorities. A big job to fix the problem.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:39am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My biggest nightmare is that ‘milkey’ sees this 🙁
  
  Council have been on the case for ages…pity the poor buggers living down in Portland Rd.
  
  We first knew something was up about 4 years ago when we bought a couple of jars of strange tasting ‘Eel Pate’ from the Baradene Gala Day.
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:41am
- lifesgood
  
  Hobson Bay will only be the start. I’m picking every single bay around Auckland will have the same problems before long due to the council’s insistence of squeezing more and more properties onto tiny sections and aging infrastructure.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:24am
Pineapple Lumps

We will never know the complete truth about where COVID came from, why the global elite and our leaders inflicted violence upon the citizens of this world, in their arrogance thinking themselves so powerful, yet God looked on them and mocked their efforts.

Take for example the rabid focus on vaccinations to control this pandemic. In order to get a vaccine passed under emergency, they had to suppress any other viable medical treatment and change the traditional definition of what a vaccine is. Then as the antigen treatment was being rolled out the virus mutated and the efficacy of the vaccine was found wanting. Pfizer CEO Bourla then announced the development of an Omicron vaccine. How long is required for development, testing, approval, and use? Certainly more time than it takes the virus to mutate – the O virus is already on mutation B.

They can keep running on that vaccine hamster wheel but will they ever catch up with the virus? And while they are intently focused on this many of us sit and question why it is even worth having a vaccine for a rapidly attenuating disease. We also wonder why vax passports, job losses, economically destructive isolation periods are worth it. Clearly this is not about a health issue. The Globalists will not be letting go of their power grab any time soon.

So why is this insanity happening? I believe the reason is that God is giving us an opportunity to find him. What the Globalists intended to harm us, God intends for good.
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January 31, 2022 9:21am
- Zero Kindness
  
  Quite right, it seems the battle between good and evil is in full flight.
  As Klaus Schwab (Dr Evil) said “‘we have a small window of opportunity..”.
  I think the window is closing quickly, as good will always prevail over evil (eventually).
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:19am
- mawm
  
  Omicron is a live attenuated virus (like the smallpox vaccine). I wonder who developed it? Some good Samaritan?
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:58pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Omicron is a live attenuated virus”
    
    Where did you see that theory?
    
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    January 31, 2022 9:37pm
Maggie Pie

OMG. She is beautiful!

Partner drew my attention to this story in STUFFed earlier when he said…

“Gosh, take a look at this. Just shows you why a man has to be so jolly wary these days”

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1487602853573128193
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January 31, 2022 9:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah,
  it’s interesting to read of someone who appreciates that her life in care has been a better option than being in the care of drunken and neglectful parents.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:13am
Hollyfield

I don’t have a huge amount of personal sympathy for Charlotte Bellis. She chose to work for Al Jazeera, chose to work in Afghanistan, chose to stay in Afghanistan with the US withdrew. I would not have chosen any of those options. She also could marry the father of her baby so that she is no longer breaking the law in Qatar. She likely qualifies for access to many Commonwealth countries.

However none of that is the point. The issue is that she should be able to return to the country where she holds citizenship, MIQ is not working and has a weird way of prioritising of applicants.

She is in danger where she is. I would not trust the Taliban when they say she is safe in Afghanistan. And even if the person in the Taliban who said she would be safe honours his words, there are other people both in the Taliban and just in the general public in Afghanistan who may feel differently. Qatar is not safe for her. It seems obvious she should qualify for an emergency spot in MIQ. A second country has offered her asylum, and her own country won’t let her back.

A NZ lawyer who helps with emergency applications for MIQ and files with the High Court for a judicial review to allow pregnant women to be given emergency MIQ spots talks about a pregnant woman in Australia whose application for an emergency spot was unsuccessful: “In the same week that decision was made, eight DJs were given a green light to fly to New Zealand,” he said.

Eight DJs being given priority over NZ citizens wanting to return is crazy. And that is just in one week.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/miq-system-being-called-greatest-abuse-of-womens-reproductive-rights/TDKJROACIWYV7IFK7QP6R5DLKE/
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January 31, 2022 9:27am
- nathie
  
  “A second country has offered her asylum”.
  
  Imagine if this “second country” was Australia – ScoMo would score an almighty win over JA … imagine the “humiliation” for JA!
  
  (Payback for the times that JA tried to “humiliate” ScoMo at Aussie press conferences)!
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  I can not understand why all the women’s groups in NZ aren’t raging about this matter.
  
  I know I’m musically/culturally ignorant, but I just can’t see why NZ has had to have all these DJs and entertainers clogging up MIQ.
  
  As far as I can tell, we have an excess of entertainers who reside in NZ and are desperate to get gigs to earn $$$.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:19am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They won’t rage about it because to do so will destroy their irrational mental image of their leader, Ardern being the epitome of kindness and caring. They can’t have that happen.
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Miles Davis on Newstalk ZB last night was particularly nasty, cutting off callers, saying some pretty terrible things to them and sticking up for those DJs ‘Because they give hundreds of people work” What???
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:34am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Miles has gone bonkers. He used to be able to carry an argument but now he acts like Marcus Lush. Better to change the station & let him rant away at clouds than get annoyed.
      
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      January 31, 2022 2:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And didn’t that Covid infested pommie mate of ClarkE….. ‘DJ Dementia’ score 3 MIQ spots in about a twelve month period?
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:46pm
- david
  
  8 DJ’s, WTF is it that we have to import these people and can’t grow our own? I would have some understanding if it was bands coming to play but DJ’s?????????
  Can anyone explain this phenomenon cos I’m sure as hell out of touch with something.
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:10pm
Ehlana

“Shareholders pocket $9.4 billion, avoid $400 million in tax, without breaking law” screams the Herald. “Somewhat mysteriously, that mammoth windfall … came just before the Government promised to whack a new tax on high-income earners”.

I know competency in English is no longer a requirement in journalism, but I didn’t realise the ability to tell time had also been dropped. The government passed a law in 2020, the larger than usual dividend payments were recorded in March 2021. Passing a law is not a promise; it is the fulfilment of a promise (rare, for this lot). 2020 was before 2021, so the payments came after, not before, the promise.

Nor is there anything mysterious going on here. Companies which make profit can choose when to pay those out to their shareholders. If the government changes the top tax rate, it is sensible to pay out as much profit from the current and previous years as possible, so the money is taxed at the lower rate prevailing when it was earned.

This is so un-mysterious the IRD, the Labour Revenue Minister, National’s Finance spokesman and a tax partner at Deloittes all told the Herald it was expected and legal.

The only person who didn’t understand it was Chloe Swarbrick. She thinks it shows the wealthy getting out of paying their fair share of tax. Meanwhile, Treasury estimates the 3% of people earning $150,000 or more pay 24% of income tax. In old maths, 24% is more than 3%, not less. Eight times more, actually.

Ms Swarbrick says we need to tax wealth like we tax work. It may be fortunate the reporter didn’t ask how that would work. Perhaps Ms Swarbrick could set an example of her desired system by voluntarily contributing the appropriate tax on her wealth.

Being an MP, she seems to be on a minimum of $160,000 per annum. (It’s hard to tell because a year after the 6 month reduction in MP salaries ended, in Jan 2021, the Parliamentary website hasn’t been updated to show their current salaries.) For context, Stats NZ report our June 2021 median weekly income is $770. That is just over $40,000 per year, or about one quarter of Ms Swarbrick’s earnings. So if she didn’t enter Parliament already wealthy, she must surely have built up some by now. Certainly enough for a substantial contribution in demonstration of her desired scheme.
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January 31, 2022 9:51am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think she owns a couch. Let IRD take an arm off that.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:11am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    An arm?? Surely, to pay for our reckless spending, an arm and a leg.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:18am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Of course “we” need to tax wealth to make the country poorer faster.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:01am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Alternatively she could sit down and think about all her policies that are actually making those she professes to champion poorer while increasing the wealth of those who dislike her.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:05am
- Jack5
  
  I didn’t notice any mention in the article of the dividend imputation system, that prevents double taxing of profit – first of the company, and then of the dividend in the shareholder’s hands.
  
  Surely, the company pays tax on profit as they are incurred? Then it pays tax-imputed dividends when it suits?
  
  Perhaps an accountant or other tax specialist who follows Kiwiblog can explain what the Herald is getting at. Are there changes pending in the imputation system?
  
  No mention in the article of the No. 1 shareholder rort: businesses are able to operate tax free if they are registered as charities (Ngai Tahu has about 40 companies group registered as charities, and church-owned Sanatarium, the food processor, benefits from its charity state).
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:29am
  - david
    
    I am certainly no supporter of the Seventh Day Adventist Church but it does not require a brain surgeon’s intellect to realise that Sanitarium Health Food Company Limited qualifies as a charity because it applies the required minimum of its profits to charitable purposes.
    I don’t know about what they support in NZ but in Australia they provide full hospital facilities at no charge or at significantly lower cost than other private hospitals and IIRC also provide housing for needy.
    You too could qualify for zero tax if you gave away enough of your income (or are a net beneficiary of the state)
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:17pm
    - Jack5
      
      David, can you help please by giving a pointer to the specific amount of donated profit that allows a company to register as a charity.
      
      How can it be fair to competitors when a company can compete with zero company tax because it’s a registered charity?
      
      Since when can all even the most wealthy individuals qualify for zero personal tax merely by giving away a sufficient portion of their income? Can you give a pointer to this specific requirement please?
      
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      January 31, 2022 4:19pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    This is a repeat of March 2001 (I think). Sir Michael Cullen increased the top tax rate to 39% on incomes above about $60,000 on 1st April 2001 (I think).
    Dividend income in the year ended 31st March 2001 was an incredible record.
    Any accountant who did not have his company clients empty out their imputation credit account in March 2001 should have been sued for professional negligence.
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:47pm
Yvette

Something stinks, I think
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is due to receive her COVID-19 test results on Monday.
The Prime Minister began isolating on Saturday after being confirmed as a close contact of a case.A spokesperson for Ardern said she was tested on Sunday and is asymptomatic.

Why was Ardern not tested on Saturday when she knew enough of her exposure to start isolating, the test rushed by police escort to the nearest testing lab and the result obtained 8 hours or so later?
And, as other have noted, in the meantime take a RAT (test) – if the Government can find one of their own, or one of those they have “consolidated”.
Why did that not happen? Do we smell a RAT? – or lack of one?
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January 31, 2022 9:53am
- Yvette
  
  Oh, and the headline says –
  PM Jacinda Ardern expecting COVID results today, senior staff tests negative
  2 hours ago
  – but the article seems not to enlarge on the “senior staff”
  But how were they tested before Ardern?.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:00am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ardern doing a Trudeau.
    
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    January 31, 2022 10:35am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Emergency meetings, likely, as to what to do next.
      
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      January 31, 2022 12:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The RAT tests down at the chemist are only available for the unvaxxed…
  
  Wasn’t that how Clarke Gayford got into trouble… lying to the pharmacist?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deeply-inappropriate-clarke-gayford-sorry-for-confusion-after-claim-he-tried-to-get-mate-rapid-covid-test/BERMJTAVSMBW756EZLHP56PCVA/
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:04am
- wairarapapaul
  
  Did anyone seriously think that the test would be anything but negative? In Donald Trump’s words ” the most negative result they’ve ever seen”. Imagine the damage to her brand and the scorn that would be unleashed upon her for following her own advice and yet still getting the lurgy. It would be the biggest fail in her career and destroy the team of 5 millions’ faith in her machinations. She was never going to test positive.
  
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  January 31, 2022 7:06pm
curry4me

https://babylonbee.com/news/trudeau-claims-truckers-only-hate-him-because-hes-black
Trudeau Claims Truckers Only Hate Him Because He’s Black.

OTTAWA—A “freedom convoy” of Canadian truckers is on its way to Ottawa in protest of vaccine mandates. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is pushing back at accusations of tyrannical government overreach by claiming the truckers just hate him because he’s black.
“As a proud black man, this is the kind of discrimination I have faced my whole life,” said Trudeau in a nationwide address over Zoom. “These truckers are a bunch of racist white men. They’re probably not even gay.”
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January 31, 2022 10:14am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkaZxoZQb88

Report: Waimakariri Mass March 29 January 2022.

Freedom and Rights Coalition march in Rangiora. [15:35: I guess David Seymour didn’t attend /sarc.]
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January 31, 2022 10:15am
curry4me

https://nypost.com/2022/01/28/iguanas-could-rain-down-from-trees-in-florida-as-temperatures-plunge/

Iguanas could rain down from trees in Florida as temperatures plunge.

Florida weather forecasters are warning iguanas may be falling out of trees this weekend as the Sunshine State goes through a cold snap.
Temperatures in the usually balmy state are expected to plunge this weekend, hitting below freezing in some areas, meaning the cold-blooded lizards raining down to the ground.
“They slow down or become immobile when it’s below 40,” WFTV meteorologist Brian Shields posted on Twitter. “They may fall from trees, but they aren’t dead.” [Friends were vacationing in Florida recently. They didn’t report being hit by falling iguanas. Couldn’t stop laughing when I read this.]
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January 31, 2022 10:16am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  We had to stop and move a cold python snake out of the way on Fraser Island one morning.
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:58am
  - curry4me
    
    Alan Wilkinson: I guess that’d be a lot safer than moving a warm one.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:18am
ClanMcleod

I had a lovely holiday thanks!
Congratulations to Lydia Ko, 17th tour win. Nerves of steel on the last hole to up and down out of the bunker.
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January 31, 2022 10:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not to mention the incredible curling birdie putt on 15.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:02am
- NK
  
  Relatively simple bunker shot though.
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:06pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Still had to be executed correctly NK. I don’t know how many times I’ve been faced with a “relatively simple bunker shot”, then either chunked it and stayed in the bunker, or hit it thin, and over the green, or worse still, into another bunker.
    
    Ko is playing superb golf at the moment, but more importantly, looks really happy with herself and the world around her. She’s grown into her own skin after all the pressure of being a teenage phenom, and the golfing world is her oyster. I reckon she’ll add another Major to her resume this season.
    
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    January 31, 2022 5:24pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Actually, I was going to ask how your holiday went Clan 😀
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:38pm
kowtow

All this Media Pardy hype around Creepy Sleepy Joe appointing a black woman to the US SC is just flaff.

He wants to appoint a lefty black woman .

The real issue of course should not be gender or race , the real issue should be ‘who’s the best man for the job” , all other considerations should be way down the list.

Any mention of how he fillibustered the appointment of Janice Rogers Brown way back in the noughties?
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January 31, 2022 10:39am
Alan Wilkinson

There are some very unlikely statistical oddities in these tables:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/127622391/covid19-nz-is-it-really-a-good-idea-to-call-omicron-mild

The hospitalisation rates for Omicron booster vaccinated are exactly 10% of the unvaccinated rate in almost every age category. I smell a rat.
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January 31, 2022 10:47am
- alloytoo
  
  Recent study out of the UK indicates that vaccination make no difference to under 17’s. Based on mid January Data.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:40am
ClanMcleod

A great post on Bad Cattitude about the Canadian trucker protest and Trudeau’s response which I read about in the Whoreald. //

According to Trudeau the truckers are a minority and others opposing him are racists, sexist and bigots…….
“Truck Foudeau” might become the new “Let’s go Brandon”.
Worth reading it all.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/justin-trudeau-a-portrait-in-cowardice
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January 31, 2022 10:50am
Jack5

If the State is going to brainwash our kids with history revisions, it needs also to teach kids the difference between Western and indigenous history methods.

This, from Stuff, gives an example of Maori historical technique:

Research methods need to comply with marae convention – for instance, the memories of kaumatua are not interrogated, given their immense value both for what is said, and how it is conveyed.

Customary structures are engaged, like whakapapa, described by Sir Eddie Durie as a flexible system which, by telescoping time, allows ancestors of distant epochs to talk to each other. They also talk to the present, he writes, relaying messages, conveying wisdom and transmitting values, ensuring that challenges are met with cultural integrity.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/127624884/its-a-surprisingly-persistent-view-but-mori-have-not-forgotten-the-land-wars
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January 31, 2022 10:50am
- lifesgood
  
  I have a number of siblings. Each one of us remembers incidents from our childhood quite differently. We have tested it out. Each one of us is adamant that they are right. There’s your answer to why Maori history is not accurate.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:40am
  - MCōs
    
    Back in 2009 there was a big disturbance in Bangkok involving thousands of protagonists on both sides and around 90 deaths.
    Vastly different accounts of what happened were pushed in the media depending on who spun the yarn.
    And that was from people who actually witnessed the mayhem.
    A little twist here, a twist there.
    Made me question everything I’ve heard subsequently that makes someone look terrible.
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:34pm
  - Swifty
    
    A very good point.
    
    PS. I wonder how many people have considered this point with regard to scriptures or ‘holy books’?
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:46pm
- kowtow
  
  That history is so good the only version of Abel Tasman’s encounter at what was Murderers Bay is the one that Tasman recorded .
  Such a pity the real version is lost to history .
  
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  January 31, 2022 12:00pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Remind me, why is there no Maori version? Or versions?
    
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    January 31, 2022 6:50pm
    - kowtow
      
      Sir , someone ate my homework.
      
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      January 31, 2022 8:21pm
Maggie Pie

Another gang shooting down Invercargill last night.
Friend was telling us her mum and dad live there and they had a 9 hour wait in A&E before being seen. The place was overrun with gang members.
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January 31, 2022 10:58am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hospitals should tell gang members to wait outside until everyone else has been seen.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:04am
  - Ruahine
    
    Cap’t M
    
    Under the Ardern regime Gang members go to the front of the queue.
    Unvaxed will be last in the queue.
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:12am
  - bronny1
    
    No, as long as they are vaccinated they should get top priority. //
    
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    January 31, 2022 11:17am
- MCōs
  
  I suppose you think Middlemore Emergency is like that?
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:23am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, how choice because Invercargill is Marcus Lush Land, the host who worships the ground Jacinda floats on.
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:36am
  - kevn
    
    @InandO… Or the mud she walks in.
    
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    January 31, 2022 12:27pm
Swifty

“The government is right about everything…..”

Sounds familiar….

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfC9svHVwzI
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January 31, 2022 11:01am
emmess

For those of us so disgusted by the NZ media that we don’t bother watching or listening to anything
Watch Mahyar Tousi, a British Youtuber
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjJec0wv1EUomjrBNt1xCTA
He is covering a lot of NZ news
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January 31, 2022 11:12am
Maggy Wassilieff

National looking for a new polling partner

Internal polling is heavily relied on by parties, but Luxon says since coming into Parliament in October 2020, he hasn’t seen any.

“We were flying quite blind.’’

Luxon is on the hunt for a new internal polling partner and expects to have secured a contract in the near future.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/christopher-luxon-it-will-make-people-uncomfortable

I’d suggest that National needs to get out and about a bit, amongst:

*young voters with heavy rents;
*Young folk who can’t get decent apprenticeships or work-training
*Young families who can’t afford a house deposit
*Middle-aged NZers whose kids are receiving a poor education

National needs to widen their focus groups from business and farming folks to the poor and the struggling workers… coz Labour don’t give a stuff for the folks at the bottom of the heap.
(Labour are into hob-nobbing with the beautiful set..
top entertainers and multi billionaires.)
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January 31, 2022 11:21am
- MCōs
  
  What’s he going to promise people burdened with high rents that won’t alienate the landlords?
  
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  January 31, 2022 11:56am
  - septic skeptic
    
    He could promise to make absolutely everything better for everybody – worked for Cindy!
    
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    January 31, 2022 12:18pm
- oldfella
  
  Maggy, doesn’t our host’s company do National’s internal polling?
  
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  January 31, 2022 12:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve no idea.
    I’ve no connection to the National Party…
    In fact, I don’t think in my 68 years I’ve ever (knowingly) met a National Party member.
    
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    January 31, 2022 1:46pm
- kowtow
  
  *People concerned about law and order
  *People worried about racial division and strife
  *People worried about the constitution
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:50pm
Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s chief press secretary Andrew Campbell has tested negative for Covid-19
It comes after Ardern, Governor-General Dame Cindy Kiro and Campbell travelled on a flight with a Covid-19 case from Kerikeri to Auckland on Saturday, January 22.
The flight was listed as a close contact location of interest on Saturday night.
The Prime Minister was tested for Covid-19 on Sunday morning and is isolating.
On Monday morning the results of Ardern’s test is unknown.
“The Prime Minister has undertaken a PCR test this morning [Sunday] as per Ministry of Health requirements. She remains asymptotic and continues to feel well,” the Prime Minister’s Office said earlier in a statement.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/30/arderns-chief-press-secretary-tests-negative-for-covid-19/

Why was Ardern not tested on Saturday night?
Why has the Prime Minister’s test taken more than 24 hours to process?
When was chief press secretary Andrew Campbell tested to already have the result that he is negative for Covid-19?
Why was Ardern’s test result not back by the time she actually took the test?

Flight NZ8273 Kerikeri to Auckland, Saturday, January 22, 12.15-1pm
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/29/15-flights-named-close-contact-locations-of-interest/

Is Ardern “free of isolation” tomorrow morning or from 1pm?
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January 31, 2022 11:54am
- Yvette
  
  Oh, and the other thing is –
  If you use modern technology to record a staged powhiri – ceremony of welcome, traditionally a way of finding out whether people were friends or enemies, so including the validity of a wero, a Māori challenge – to a marae, and again use similar technology to telecast that powhiri when covid has caused the marae, 17 days later, to be closed and Waitangi celebrations cancelled – is all this valid Maori protocol, valid tikagna – Māori customary practices or behaviours?
  
  Does pre-emptive arrangements of something that will not actually follow through, made by the visitor rather than the visitee, allow the arranger to confirm “One day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here, and only you can tell me when I have done that”?
  
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  January 31, 2022 12:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Tikanga flows along the internet ether
    
    Indigenous Digital Philosopher, Karaitiana Taiuru says, “We’re kanohi ki te kanohi, you know their mauri, you can touch something and get the mauri and the internet, it’s nothing, it’s te kore and it’s hard to try and quantify that. But if you use the internet for the right purposes then it will have mauri.”
    
    https://www.teaomaori.news/maori-discuss-whether-tikanga-crosses-over-internet-annual-nethui
    
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    January 31, 2022 2:18pm
    - Jack5
      
      An interesting bloke:
      
      From the web:
      
      Karaitiana Taiuru completed his PhD in “Maori Genetic Data – Inalienable Rights and Tikanga Sovereignty,” in 2021 after a lifetime of being immersed in Te Ao Maori and matauranga. He is a nationally recognised Tikanga Maori expert with significant networks with iwi and Maori organisations.
      
      Another web site, taiuru.maori.nz, describes him thus: an interdisciplinary Maori academic and activist. Areas of interest include: artificial intelligence (AI) ethics; colonisation; data sovereignty; genomic ethics; property rights and tikanga Maori.
      
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      January 31, 2022 2:38pm
    - cmm
      
      “Indigenous Digital”
      Is that different from White Man’s Digital? Not zeros and ones but something a bit more ethereal to go with the ethernet?
      
      When I wonder who would hire an “Indigenous Digital Philosopher” I feel my wallet getting lighter.
      
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      January 31, 2022 3:24pm
      - Taieri
        
        When I wonder who would hire an “Indigenous Digital Philosopher”
        ———————
        Department of Medicine
        University of Otago, Christchurch:
        Current roles:
        Team Leader Kaupapa Māori Rōpū
        Research Fellow
        Pou Tikanga
        Christchurch Heart Institute (2021) Member of the Steering Group.
        Healthy Hearts for Aotearoa New Zealand Centre of Research Excellence – Māori Leadership Team member.
        Healthy Hearts for Aotearoa New Zealand Centre of Research Excellence – Bio Bank Team member (Tikanga Māori)
        Healthy Hearts for Aotearoa New Zealand Centre of Research Excellence – Tikanga Advisor for Data Ecosystem
        
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        January 31, 2022 3:30pm
      - cmm
        
        Yup, just as I expected. All taxpayer funded.
        
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        January 31, 2022 4:04pm
    - Taieri
      
      The PhD in Māori Genetic Data – Inalienable Rights and Tikanga Sovereignty from Te Whare Wānanga o Awanuiārangi of Whakatane is not a mean feat. Probably not as useful as a doctorate in leadership from Hamburger University though…
      
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      January 31, 2022 3:27pm
- Yvette
  
  Update regarding tomorrow –
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has returned a negative COVID-19 test result after she was deemed a close contact and had to self-isolate.
  
  “The Prime Minister has returned a negative COVID-19 test. In line with Ministry of Health guidance she is required to continue isolating until the end of Tuesday, February 1, or as otherwise advised by Public Health,” a spokesperson said on Monday.
  
  “She will chair tomorrow’s Cabinet meeting remotely. As the Prime Minister is not be able to be in the Beehive in person tomorrow, the Deputy Prime Minister [Grant Robertson] will attend post-Cab on her behalf.”
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:13pm
- NK
  
  DJ Dimension tested negative three times, before testing +.
  
  Testing is pointless – it’s symptoms that matter.
  
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  January 31, 2022 2:47pm
Lucia Maria

Huge news from UK:

U-turn on mandatory Covid vaccinations for NHS and social care workers

Mandatory Covid jabs for NHS and social care workers are set to be scrapped, The Telegraph can reveal, after warnings of crippling staff shortages if the plan went ahead.

Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, will on Monday meet fellow ministers on the Covid-Operations Cabinet committee to rubber stamp the decision on the about-turn.

Multiple government sources said ministers are expected to end the requirement because the omicron Covid variant, now dominant in the UK, is milder than previous strains.

The move comes after warnings that almost 80,000 healthcare workers would be forced out of their jobs because they had declined to take two doses of a Covid vaccine.
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January 31, 2022 12:17pm
- bythesea
  
  dangerous outbreak of pragmatism there…
  
  I need pro vax activists and lobbyists stat!
  
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  January 31, 2022 12:39pm
Nickc2

Will Cindy’s mob pass a new law like that of Western Aust (no vaccinations, no booze)? That’ll get the wowsers in NZ going. They’ll be able to link such a law to many things, some of which they haven’t even dreamed up yet.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/01/grog-only-available-to-the-vaccinated-in-wa-because-of-the-science-right.html
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January 31, 2022 12:41pm
Captain Mainwaring

Another crash at Pukerua Bay which has closed the main highway in both directions for several hours.
Meanwhile, there is a perfect brand new multi-lane highway that remains unused.
F*** Waka Koathanger or whatever it’s called.
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January 31, 2022 12:43pm
- I remember when
  
  Is there a concealed financial dispute causing the delay in opening Transmission Gully?
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:13pm
- MCōs
  
  Maybe better driving on the existing road would help in the meantime.
  
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  January 31, 2022 6:13pm
oldfella

Excellent speech from Chris Luxon at this link. Starts with a media question about Charlotte Bellis, but then gets into his main points.
I think this guy is dynamite, and he’s not reading a speech like you-know-who does most of the time.
Coupled with the good media National is currently getting, and Labour should be very, very afraid.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-caucus-retreat-christopher-luxon-to-speak-in-queenstown-after-beating-jacinda-ardern-in-approval-poll/HUKQ7UKOG5RN342E2AFOQD2LYA/i

[This link doesn’t exist – closest (in timing & content) is

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-caucus-retreat-christopher-luxon-speaks-in-queenstown-after-win-in-approval-poll/HUKQ7UKOG5RN342E2AFOQD2LYA/

Paywalled. mod.]
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January 31, 2022 12:44pm
- Sacha
  
  Not there –
  
  [fixed mod.]
  
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  January 31, 2022 1:23pm
- Jack5
  
  … Coupled with the good media National is currently getting…
  
  Has there been some sort of deal between National and the subsidised media over State support?
  
  Melissa Lee in a Kiwiblog guest post on Saturday wrote:
  
  “… I have little problem with our public non-commercial broadcasters stepping in supporting apolitical community-led journalism where the commercial players are not capable covering local issues of importance to small town New Zealand, such as local Government meetings and significant events that fall by the wayside to the rest of New Zealand, however for this we are talking $1-2million for a handful of roving reporters not $55million ….”
  
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  January 31, 2022 2:19pm
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  Clicked on that link and got an ” OOps Dead end” message. Obviously shows Luxon in too good a light.
  
  [fixed – mod.]
  
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  January 31, 2022 2:33pm
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    Thank you, mod. 🙂
    
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    January 31, 2022 5:24pm
- oldfella
  
  Here’s the link. Not paywalled…
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-caucus-retreat-christopher-luxon-speaks-in-queenstown-after-win-in-approval-poll/HUKQ7UKOG5RN342E2AFOQD2LYA/
  
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  January 31, 2022 4:47pm
oldfella

Just spotted this and got a chuckle out of it…
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30 years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have No Cash, No Hope and No Jobs. PLEASE don’t let Kevin Bacon die!
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January 31, 2022 1:02pm
- MCōs
  
  That’s a real dad line, by definition & maybe reflects on the age of voters they’re appealing to.
  I’m picking half NZers wouldn’t have a clue who those people are. Maybe Steve Jobs.
  
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  January 31, 2022 6:20pm
I remember when

Are we in danger of having greater food scarcity in the next few weeks, when the effects of the Tongan eruption and Omicron impact at the same time.
There are a considerable number of barrels with $800 worth in them being packed for shipping at present.
The timing could hardly be more unfortunate.
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January 31, 2022 1:06pm
kevn

@Lucia… and what will NZ do about the mandates for nurses jabs?
Take a cue?
Plan ‘something’ similar for the near future?
Get a working group to look at it?
Wake a.little up from his summer slumbers?
None of these?
Nothing?
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January 31, 2022 1:07pm
Rusty

Quite often I drive through Mountain road/ Mt Eden and nearly every day there are people congregating outside the front entrance of Govt house.

Going by the signs they display they are anti-vax/govt protesters.

Not trying to give them a plug but does anyone know what point they are trying to make?
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January 31, 2022 1:09pm
ecco

Article on the Telegraph absolutely scathing on Saint Jacinda. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/29/saint-jacinda-has-made-controlling-covid-iron-fisted-moral-mission/

Thanks to whoever posted that link yesterday. The 800+ comments are gold. Admittedly it’s behind a paywall but if you have press reader via library card you might be able to access it. Alternatively try emailing or ringing them. They have a student rate which I accessed via my son who is a student. Then it was only $83 nzd per year or $1.59 a week which is cheaper than the Ferald subscription. I think you just have to say you are a student to access that rate. They have some phone numbers on their site. I used my Skype account to ring them.

If you want a bit of global perspective on Ardern and to see what the rest of the world thinks of her and nz’s direction, the Telegraph sub is money well spent.
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January 31, 2022 1:25pm
- Surely Knott
  
  “ But now, as omicron gently settles there, Ardern’s New Zealand has lost any remaining halo of Covid superiority. It looks neither “compassionate”, nor even “tough” or “hardline” but completely pathological. Mad. Bonkers. Pitiable. And not without a whiff of totalitarianism.” http://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/862/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/862/pub/862/page/61/article/266497
  
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  January 31, 2022 10:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2 weeks old, but we don’t even get a wisper from the media.
Trump summarises Biden.
https://rumble.com/vspnhd-trump-summarizes-bidens-disastrous-first-year.html?
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January 31, 2022 1:33pm
septic skeptic

The Ministry of Health reports there are 91 new community cases of COVID-19. No individual number of Omicron cases is provided.

“Whole genome sequencing continues to take place on all new unlinked cases of Covid-19 and provides additional information to aid public health decisions. The Omicron variant of Covid-19 is now the dominant variant, therefore the specific variant of the virus is no longer being reported alongside case numbers,” the ministry says.

“As cases continue to increase, the priority for whole genome sequencing will be to highlight patterns of virus spread rather than individual cases.”

So WHY are we not getting the Delta/Omicron split? My assumption is that this is in order to maintain fear and the pretense that we have dangerous Delta outbreak. As always, the information released is carefully selected. The gullible are being manipulated.
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January 31, 2022 1:40pm
- PeeJay
  
  Well the numbers must be wrong because weren’t we due to have around 50,000 cases (or some other crazy number) according to some models? So far the omicron models look as accurate as the delta models, as in completely useless. The models are not without some merit though, as they are obviously great at stoking the fear, but as tools to predict the likely case numbers, would have to say not so great at this point.
  
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  January 31, 2022 5:20pm
ecco

Have started to travel a bit now that it appears Ardern isn’t going to do her lockdown stunt as easily as she has in the past. Although don’t trust her and wouldn’t put it past her to try that stunt again for a bit of control freakery.

Flew on an airnz flight yesterday. Flight was only 50% full. There are frequently no change fees on airnz flights even for changes very near departure, unlike before (when Luxon was running it ? where there were fees to do anything!!)

Is anyone else worried that airnz might go bust from having to offer such flexibility? How can they afford this? I know the NZ taxpayer is ultimately paying for this so maybe I should just see this as a way to get back some of my tax…

Greg Foran’s job must be an absolute nightmare. The worst conditions for an airline CEO, outside of China I’d say. Airnz will be fully nationalised at some stage I’d say. It must be.
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January 31, 2022 1:41pm
Jack5

Tomorrow, the Year of the Tiger begins.

More specifically, it’s the Year of the Water Tiger.

To establish this, you combine the tiger Chinese zodiac sign with this year’s “heavenly number” under the Chinese “heavenly stems” numbers, from one to 10. The year that begins tomorrow is number nine, representing water.

The last Water Tiger year began in February 1962.

The South China Morning Post reports the Tiger year is expected to boost sales of gold products, as the tiger is second only to the dragon in popularity among animals of the Chinese zodiac.

For example, the newspaper reports, Britain’s Royal Mint has announced a giant 8 kilogram gold coin with a diameter of 18.5cm – price available request. The mint has also produced smaller Year of the Tiger gold coins priced at £670 ($NZ1,731) for a quarter-ounce (7 gram) coin, £2,505 ($NZ5,126) for a one-ounce coin and £11,430 ($NZ23,390) for a five-ounce coin.
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January 31, 2022 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

Interesting call to talkback…
Concerned woman from Mangere says she has a friend (a single mum) with eight school-age children…..very concerned about having to buy ‘approved face masks’ for them to wear each day.

She had thought they would be provided free by the school, but now finds this will not be the case. Apparently they are already on the bones-of-their-bum, and this will just add to their financial woes.

You’d have to wonder how many others out there find themselves in this situation?
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January 31, 2022 2:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Single mum with eight school age children!
  Sorry, but one has to wonder about her decision making ability.
  
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  January 31, 2022 2:13pm
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    what an odd comment from someone who presumably does not know anything about this woman’s circumstances
    Do you think, for example, that perhaps her husband deserted the family, but that she should have done more to make him stay? Or perhaps her husband died, and maybe she should be quicker in finding a new one? Or do you just presume she is a career beneficiary with children to multiple fathers, none of whom she has named, etc, etc?
    
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    January 31, 2022 2:41pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I know what you’re saying Cap……but my partner’s mum calculated she could be pulling over 70k a year from welfare sitting on her fat chuff.
    
    Nice work if you can get it.
    
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    January 31, 2022 2:41pm
    - NK
      
      Essentially now $63K with inflation @ 10%.
      
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      January 31, 2022 2:51pm
      - Colville
        
        you DONT think the bene will get a bump this year to cover price rises?
        
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        January 31, 2022 2:58pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      How many of your night-fill shifts would you need to make that sort of money, Maggie?
      
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      January 31, 2022 3:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Do you think we overpay our qualified nurses?
        
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        January 31, 2022 3:54pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think lots of people are underpaid and lots of people are overpaid.
        
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        January 31, 2022 4:31pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Thanks for jumping to my defense there Maggs 😀
        
        Last time I responded directly to ‘milkey’, he reported me and had the comment removed!
        That then saw me get a warning from Bats…. that any further responses would see me cop ‘a long holiday’.
        
        So rather than let him stuff it up for everybody else here, I’ve decided to just ignore.
        
        [Mod note: We do not act on anyone ‘reporting’ anything. The comment would have been dealt with on it’s merit, so presumably, none if it was ‘removed’.]
        
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        January 31, 2022 4:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Maggie, I have never reported one of your comments. I find them entertaining rather than offensive, although I have seen you have had some of them edited or deleted because a moderator took offence. There is no way for a commenter to know who has placed an uptick, downtick or reported a comment.
        … [Snipped – complaints to editor@kiwiblog.co.nz mod.]
        
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        January 31, 2022 4:49pm
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    A few weeks ago I met a solo mother with more kids than that.
    Everything was going fine until her husband had a heart attack and died.
    Let’s not be self righteous about other people you don’t even know.
    
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    January 31, 2022 6:40pm
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      You need to understand the diff between a ‘solo-mother’ and a ‘single-mother’ Cossie.
      
      The back story to the woman in question, was that she had NEVER been married, ‘worked from home’ making ends meet since the age of 17, and was unable to name any of the fathers.
      
      Ring any bells?
      
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      January 31, 2022 7:26pm
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        The point here is that Captain Mainwaring had none of your alleged ‘back story’ when he made his typically ludicrous comment.
        
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        January 31, 2022 7:38pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, has she not heard of the pregnancy preventative mask?
  
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  January 31, 2022 2:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  Another well thought through Labour Policy eh?
  
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  January 31, 2022 2:17pm
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  Where is/are the dad/dads?
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:10pm
cmm

“The Ministry of Health is asking everyone in New Zealand to act as if Omicron is circulating in the community.”

Ummmm:
A) It is. No “act as if”. It is circulating. We don’t need to act as if the sun came up this morning.
B) If it is circulating in the community then “stamp it out” makes no more sense.
C) MIQ is pointless.
D) Vax Passports and other punitive measures are pointless.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300507306/covid19-91-new-community-coronavirus-cases-10-people-in-hospital-with-virus
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January 31, 2022 3:50pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’m acting as if the nation is being run by morons.
  
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  January 31, 2022 6:39pm
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    Many are I think.
    
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    January 31, 2022 8:06pm
Maggie Pie

Out by the pool listening to HDPA and enjoying a fab Martinborough Pinot 😀
Heard her talking to Charlotte Bellis’s lawyer. Sounds like Skippy has told her…. “to re-apply for another MIQ spot under different criteria, and the Department will give it favorable consideration”

Like my partner said, if he was Charlotte, he’d tell them to stick it up their ass!
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January 31, 2022 5:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like she has…
  
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  January 31, 2022 5:34pm
- kowtow
  
  She’s quoted as supporting MIQ .
  
  Oh dear ,how sad ,never mind.
  
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  January 31, 2022 6:08pm
Maggie Pie

Good on her!
Charlotte certainly has more balls than Skippy!!

https://twitter.com/CharlotteBellis/status/1487909901435351041
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January 31, 2022 5:45pm
Biscuit

Agreed, Maggie.

‘The Minister wouldn’t be interviewed on camera.’

Such ‘balls’…

Mind, that’s not to say One News are any more testicles-equipped.

‘Well, Minister, we won’t bother interviewing you again. Don’t call us, just send your statement. We’ll look at it and decide it it’s worth relaying. Oh, and your next 1pm presser? The one you invariably keep us waiting till 1.15pm for? We’ll record it and broadcast it at our convenience. If we deem it worthwhile. How’s THEM apples?’
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January 31, 2022 6:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hipkins is reminding us all why we have MIQ
  
  it’s to keep us safe:
  
  I don’t want us to lose sight of the reason MIQ was set up in the first place. It has served New Zealand exceptionally well, saved lives and hospital admissions and kept our health system from being swamped,
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/31/hipkins-responds-to-plight-of-kiwi-journalist-in-afghanistan/
  
  But I think the debacle of the infected DJs has convinced us all that MIQ is a bit of a joke and is well past its use-by date.
  
  When “entertainers” can flit and out of MIQ and pregnant kiwis are prevented from coming back, the something STINKS.
  
  From June 1 last year to today there were 219 emergency allocation applications which involved a pregnancy, with 29 approved. Of those, 65 were declined and seven were still in process (including that of Bellis).
  
  There were 118 cancelled by the applicants or they were not processed due to being incomplete applications.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-minister-chris-hipkins-on-pregnant-kiwi-journalist-charlotte-bellis-responds-to-mounting-criticism/KQ7FCTOQQCQFCCW7FK6ASUG7L4/
  
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  January 31, 2022 7:27pm
Surely Knott

Stuff fights internet disinformation with misinformation of it’s own. Title “Reports of death at West Coast vaccination clinic ‘complete load of rubbish’, says mayor”

The article has been changed and now reads, “Clarification: The final line in this story has been amended to express New Zealand’s death toll associated with Covid-19. Story updated January 29, 8.14pm.”

The bottom of the article now reads “”According to Medsafe, to date two people in New Zealand have died likely due to complications arising from the Covid-19 vaccine. Both were thought to have died from vaccine induced myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – but the final cause of death is yet to be determined by the Coroner.

Scientific evidence shows the protective benefits of vaccination against Covid-19 far outweigh the potential risks of vaccination.

In New Zealand 52 people have died WITH Covid-19. Globally there have been over 5.6 million deaths from the virus.” (Emphasis is mine)
A search on the wayback machine shows the original article read :
“In New Zealand 52 people have died FROM Covid-19.”

So they are claiming only 2 people have been confirmed to have died FROM the vaccination. And then compare it with the number who died WITH the virus. 52. That is a misleading false equivalence. Comparing apples with apples the number who died WITH the vaccination is 133. And yes 2 have been confirmed by a medical body as likely. But none of the 52 virus deaths have been through the same scrutiny. They are reported as per WHO guidelines as covid deaths even if covid played no part in their deaths.
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January 31, 2022 7:28pm
- Surely Knott
  
  But if we look back at the early reporting they reported that Covid deaths were FROM covid.
  RNZ: 15 April 2020 “A fifth person has died FROM Covid-19 in New Zealand, as the number of new cases remains steady at 19.”
  RNZ “A Christchurch woman in her 90s who was living in the Rosewood rest home is the country’s second death FROM Covid-19, the Health Ministry has confirmed.”
  But if you read the Ministry of health press release they are more careful with their words “The Ministry of Health is sad to report the country’s second death LINKED TO COVID-19.” They don’t say from covid they say “linked to”
  
  Did RNZ and the media deliberately mislead us, By telling us the deaths were FROM Covid.
  
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  January 31, 2022 7:36pm
Joely Doe

Ok, scuttlebutt making the rounds at the moment is that MOH will be making a big announcement tomorrow.

Saw no one scanning in on a trip down the Sth Island last week.
Spoke to a few locals who were adamant that scanning in was a waste of time (agreed) if it meant they had to be locked down, after having been caught up in a ‘scare’.
Looks like Leo Molloy was right.
The Public has turned – although Sth Island cockies probably have finely tuned bullshit detectors!
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January 31, 2022 8:24pm
- JerJer
  
  Whats the guts ? All shops and places of business to close until we learn our lession and dutifully scan in every where ? along with a lot of posturing and finger waggling ?
  
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  January 31, 2022 9:40pm
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  Do you scan?
  
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