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2ic

Just following up on my post before Xmas comparing the safety of the Influenza vaccine to the Covid Pfizer vaccine in New Zealand (https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/12/general_debate_23_december_2021.html#comment-3090812).

Again, from Table 1 on the following MedSafe page we can see adverse events being reported for the Influenza vaccine at 16-20 per 100,000 doses:
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUArticles/March2020/Influenza-vaccine-2019-what-to-expect-this-year.html

Taking 2019 data, we have 16.9 adverse events per 100,000, of which it’s stated 2.6% were considered ‘serious’, which is 0.44 per 100,000.

Now we have a new Medsafe safety report on the Pfizer vaccine:

Safety Report #39 – 31 December 2021
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-39.asp

45,984 adverse events out of 8,184,892 doses administered, which is 562 per 100,000 doses. 2,015 of these are considered ‘serious’ (4.4%), which equates to 24.6 per 100,000 doses.

So your chances of a serious adverse event are:

Influenza Vaccine: 0.44 per 100,000 doses
Pfizer Covid Vaccine: 24.6 per 100,000 doses

This makes the Pfizer vaccine 56x more dangerous than the Influenza vaccine. It’s actually much worse than that, because you are exposing yourself to risk twice with the initial double-vaccination, and now with every booster.

More concerning is that the rate of serious adverse events reported seems to be increasing. In my last post my calculations were based on the previous Medsafe report:

Safety Report #38 – 4 December 2021
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-38.asp

The result then was 21.4 serious adverse events per 100,000. Now it’s shot up to 24.6!

So what was reported between 4 December and 31 December? Working out the differences in reports #38 and #39 I find 364 serious adverse events reported and 458,573 doses, which is a rate of 79 per 100,000!

Admittedly, this is probably largely due to the delay in adverse events being reported. Another factor could be that the second jab is a higher risk, which I’ve seen in other sources to be the case. But either way, the safety of the Pfizer Covid vaccine is looking worse and worse as time goes on compared to our traditional annual flu vaccine.
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January 23, 2022 8:00am
- Loddenthinks
  
  How many years of boosters will it take for us each to get to the 100,000 doses mark? Asking for a friend.
  
  Flippancy aside, thank you for posting this sensible and revealing analysis. Add in the fact that even the Pfizer CEO admits the vaccine and booster are ineffective against Omicron and the “vaccines are our best protection against becoming seriously ill, hospitalised or dead” BS narrative is exposed for being exactly that – BS.
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:34am
- kevn
  
  @2ic… Plus factor in the low VAERS reporting. Some say it as low as 5%. Then it gets seriously scary.
  
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  January 23, 2022 3:06pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Blatant Bullshit from Newshub.
  
  Doesnt anybody do fact checking at News Hub
  
  The headline
  A man has issued a warning to fellow New Zealanders looking to pack their bags and head overseas, describing his trip as a “COVID nightmare” and like “dodging bullets”.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2022/01/coronavirus-man-s-warning-to-kiwis-thinking-of-international-travel-after-covid-nightmare.html
  
  This idiot moans how difficult it is to get pre flight PCR test.
  ITS FERKIN EASY!!
  There is even a clinic at Auckland airport where you get give your sample with guaranteed 24 hour result, or pay extra get result within 12 hours.
  
  Article written by a Sports producer. Obviously a shill/friend of the idiot ranting teacher.
  
  This folks is how false news starts
  
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  January 23, 2022 5:11pm
- Jim
  
  Good analysis of the official Medsafe data that I’ve been tracking (particularly for myocarditis) for many weeks now. Medsafe’s own data show an significant incremental (potentially exponential) increase in myocarditis reports (exceeding Medsafe’s reported typical data per 1M vaccinations, that keeps increasing as time goes by) that demonstrate an incredulous acceptance of what should typically be considered a safety signal. I’m particularly looking forward to the release of report #40
  https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview.asp
  
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  January 23, 2022 7:54pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Jim: Can you report back on that report 40 re myocarditis? Cheers.
    
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    January 23, 2022 10:46pm
- surfing
  
  Incidentally, DPF already rebutted your misinformation….same applies today.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/yes_virginia_the_vaccine_is_far_safer_than_the_disease.html
  
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  February 18, 2022 12:37pm
Yvette

There apparently is a “plan”
The plan‘s designed to slow the spread as we get ready for Omicron, but there’s concern the plan will quickly become unworkable. – perhaps faster than the article indicates –
New rules, introduced on Friday, mean positive cases must isolate for at least 14 days, including 72 hours symptom-free.
However, household members need to be in isolation for an additional 10 days after the positive case has been cleared
That means household contacts will have to isolate for at least 24 days or three and a half weeks, which is longer than the actual case themselves.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/22/covid-rules-could-see-household-contacts-of-positive-case-isolate-for-24-days/

What the above numbers do not allow for, but features in Health reports so far in many delta cases and omicron already, is that most household members will inevitably catch the virus from the first person, with her or him then becoming a contact of the newly infected family member, and with a new time frame for all of the family or flatmates, whatever, starting from the time of that new infection, which could add an extra 24 days from the time any other family member newly contracts the virus – right?

And while the article doesn’t miss the irony – That means household contacts will have to isolate for at least 24 days or three and a half weeks, which is longer than the actual case themselves – the greater irony would appear to be that the first “actual case themselves” most likely will become a close contact themself and be required to isolate ten days after any family member, who the first case infects, has done their 14 days, at least – also right?

The prime minister has warned New Zealanders to prepare what they might need if they get Omicron and have to isolate or become unwell.New Zealand authorities are encouraging people to have enough supplies to last them a week or two.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/22/nz-health-workers-prepare-to-support-omicron-cases-remotely/

In other words, for the extra ten days, plus very likely “whatever” more, “Let them eat cake”

So apart from supplies, what will this period of ‘isolation’ do for family violence, children, substance abuse – particularly alcohol, stigma, family income, or mental wellbeing – or not so wellbeing?
What’s the plan, or is there really nothing like after the last time Ardern said “Lets do this”
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January 23, 2022 8:01am
- Loddenthinks
  
  There is no plan for Omicron, none at all in our smug little hermit kingdom.
  
  The Podium of Truth admitted as much this morning when she said that the plan for Omicron is basically the same as the one for Delta (which was poorly-formed, ill-thought-through, and late).
  
  She also sed the term “stamping out these outbreaks” – surely a triumph of hubris over reality. She. Hasn’t. Got. A. Fricken. Clue.
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:37am
Pineapple Lumps

Why would Seymour, the champion of small government and freedom of choice for the individual, get into an altercation with the free Brian Tamaki vigil?

https://www.tfrc.org.nz/post/seymour-verbally-bashes-freedom-families
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January 23, 2022 8:02am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Where is the opposition? It looks like Seymour and Luxon have donned the miniskirts and Pom poms for Labour.
  
  The door is well and truely left open for Winston to walk back through.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:04am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  International evidence is stacking up that the Pfizer vacinne doesn’t work against Omicron. So why are the opposition leaders promoting boosters. Mandates for boosters are rolling into law at the moment. We will continue to exclude those without a vacinne pass from working in our healthcare system – just when the system will be overwhelmed by Omicron. Surely a good Opposition leader could be exposing the ridiculousness of this!
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:20am
- Loddenthinks
  
  This has been running for a few days, yet despite the fact that multiple supporters “filmed Seymour yelling at Hannah Tamaki” there is no footage anywhere, it seems.
  
  Without evidence this looks like a shabby and amateurish hit-job, and is starting to stink to high heaven (pun intended). The article linked to, uses terms such as: “political prosecution” and “a classic example of political staging” – I tend to agree, but not in the way the author and shill promoting it perhaps intend.
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:47am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Loddenthinks – I agree the article is emotive and am not taking all of the authors view as factual. But Seymour clearly was there talking to those in the vigil. Also it is clear he wasn’t supportive of their cause. He is very adept at social media. Wouldn’t you expect him to have a position on a citizen being locked up for breaching bail conditions for protesting against the government?
    
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    January 23, 2022 1:22pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I’d expect to see and hear what he said before forming an opinion on it, much less criticising a person I haven’t met. But don’t let either of those two things stop you sticking the boot in. You’ll understand my scepticism.
      
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      January 23, 2022 4:39pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Fair enough that you are waiting for more information. To be clear I would love for both Seymour and Luxon to be taking things hard to Labour. From my perspective the mandates have been around for a long time: MIQ workers, teachers, health workers, who refused to comply have lost their jobs. That’s real impacts on real people. I’m disillusioned with the majority of our parliamentarians who have chosen to let these vulnerable people be picked off by this government. We need leadership from Seymour and Luxon but instead they have both been promoting the current government position. Harete Hipango got sanctioned for supporting protestors opposing mandates.
        
        Meanwhile a man is imprisoned, for 10 days, for speaking out against the government and thus breaching his bail conditions. To date from Luxon and Seymour …. crickets. Politically smart to avoid association with an unlikeable minority leader. But morally bankrupt for allowing just another breach of our rights go by without challenge.
        
        Forgive my frustration but I think they have both had plenty of time to make their positions clear!
        
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        January 23, 2022 6:06pm
- curry4me
  
  Pineapple Lumps. That’s more like what one or two Labour MPs would do. ACT is over as far as I’m concerned. No money, no leaflet drops, no support, zip, zilch, nada.
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:53am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    The trouble is if there is no valid opposition then the Queen of Control continues her reign of chaos.
    
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    January 23, 2022 1:24pm
    - curry4me
      
      Pineapple Lumps: NZ is done. Stick a fork in it.
      
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      January 23, 2022 6:52pm
- Sean OConnor
  
  Because he hates us (I’m not the “Brian Tamaki Right”, but am very much populist conservative Right) and like the Left, thinks people with naughty attitudes don’t have rights.
  
  Most people think this way, FWIW; most Kiwibloggers were fine when peaceful abortion protestors had their political message selectively banned.
  
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  January 23, 2022 12:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Maori Science – follow the money

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-follow-the-money-matauranga-maori-and-the-millions-at-stake
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January 23, 2022 8:04am
- Souvlaki
  
  Scary shit….truely outrageous B S!?
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:24am
- jgw739
  
  So the plan is to take away money actual science and spend on pseudo science based on race. How is that justified at all?
  
  Although if they send Mahuta to the moon on a flax rocket, then it was a good investment!
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:24am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Or take the “newly weds” on a honeymoon cruise to Antarctica on a Double hulled Waka ably led and Captained by newly appointed “special Navigator” by the “New ” science.
    The mind really does Boggle at times.
    
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    January 23, 2022 11:28am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Drop them off at Auckland Islands.
      
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      January 23, 2022 1:04pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Let them go. Let them do what they like. But they fund everything themselves from Maori sources – taxing Maoris only.
  
  Well, at least those Maori who dont think they are New Zealanders. My neighbours – Maoris – would not have a bar of it. They are Kiwis like me and proud of it.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:26am
  - JJ56
    
    Note the proposed partnership is with Iwi, not Maori. These are quite different as the proposal for Iwi to directly appoint Ecan members makes clear. https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/01/double_dipping_in_canterbury.html
    
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    January 23, 2022 9:07am
  - Unity
    
    I agree Tomtoddy but I have one question. Why do those decent Maori New Zealanders not speak up about all of this tribal, separatist, racist nonsense??!!. Their silence is deafening but if only they would speak out it could make such a difference to getting us back on the New Zealander track and leaving ethnicity out of it.
    
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    January 23, 2022 9:14am
- Exclamation Mark
  
  Graham Adam’s is probably the only NZ journalist actually doing his job at the moment, its scary.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:38am
- Cinematic
  
  I’m baffled as to where this wave of maoriness has come from. Why Labour thinks this is of any import in modern multicultural NZ is beyond me. Cash for mates I guess.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:42am
  - I remember when
    
    Cinematic:
    Count the Maori Seats and then the number of Maori Labour MPs.
    Subtract from Labour’s total seats…….
    
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    January 23, 2022 3:19pm
- Yvette
  
  Prominent Covid commentators Drs Siouxsie Wiles and Shaun Hendy assert that mātauranga Māori is a valuable and unique system of knowledge that is complementary to science and warrants inclusion in the NCEA syllabus as being equal to science, but let them take a moment off commenting on covid (which is now perhaps a worry in their support of mātauranga Māori context) and give one example of Māori science.
  Give one example of Māori discovered science.
  
  Elsewhere there are – values like whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga – the power of being connected to each other, having an ethic of care, respect in the way we progress, and taking care of things for ourselves and our mokopuna [the generally trashed Climate Change Commission Report, 2021]
  As seen here these values, once the words are translated, have non-Maori equivalents and are not at all unique.
  So in this sense too, left any example Drs Siouxsie Wiles and Shaun Hendy can give of Maori science be something that expands scientific knowledge further than what is already known.
  
  What exactly makes mātauranga Māori a valuable and unique system of knowledge?
  Just one example.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:44am
  - Jack5
    
    Maorification is linked to the Leftist international Woke movement of “decolonisation” and its manifestations such as the Black Lives Matter movement.
    
    Latest madness is an assault on the reputation of Arkwright, one of the pioneers of the Industrial Revolution, which has lifted more people out of poverty then any other development.
    
    Arkwright, an inventor and entrepreneur, was perhaps the father of modern factory systems, and led modernisation of cotton-based textile manufacturing. The revolution started by Arkwright has re-clothed billions of people, taking them from rags to affordable and acceptable clothing.
    
    The Woke say Arkwright benefited from slavery in cotton growing.
    
    English Heritage Trust, which manages 400 historic buildings and sites in Britain, has added to its official information this:
    
    “Arkwright’s wealth from the cotton industry was inextricably linked to the transatlantic slave trade which reached its peak in the 18th century. The system exploited enslaved workers from Africa to work under horrifying conditions in the cotton plantations in the Americas.
    
    “It is inevitable that any mill working in Britain at this time would have sourced the majority of their cotton from the slave plantations. As such, mill owners such as Arkwright both contributed to and benefited from, the slave trade.”
    
    Don’t hear Wokies talking about modern slavery, with child labour in the factories of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Don’t hear them talking about the continuing slavery of Mauretania, in West Africa.
    
    The Woke are in a hypnotic trance created by hypocrites, confidence scammers, distorters of history, and manipulative psychopaths.
    
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    January 23, 2022 11:21am
artemisia

In the Herald yesterday a sad story of a family of 8 that has applied for hundreds of rentals in Hawke’s Bay since early 2021 and been rejected for all of them. They look like nice people dealing with difficult health issues. But to be rejected hundreds of times in less than a year? What else is going on?

Suggest several things. Few private rentals in the area, most well beyond the family’s budget. 37 HB vacancies listed on Trademe today, 3 bedrooms and up. Only 16 with 4 bedrooms or more. So a supply issue and an affordability issue.

There is also a risk issue. For landlords. Due significantly to the government’s 2021 policies that make it difficult if not impossible to terminate problem tenancies and recover costs. Not saying the family in the article would be a problem, but they would not be top of the no-risk list.

Not to worry. Help is on the way.

“Ministry of Housing’s Anne Shaw told Hawke’s Bay Today last month that there were plans to build up to 590 extra public housing places and up to 170 transitional housing places in the East Coast region over the next four years. Hawke’s Bay has some of the highest housing need in New Zealand in relation to population size and its cities are among prioritised focus areas in the Government’s housing strategy,” she said.”

So jam yesterday, jam tomorrow but never jam today.
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January 23, 2022 8:05am
Benedict Yu

So this person is demanding that Maori folk should only be vaccinated by Maori health workers.

https://waateanews.com/2022/01/18/taonui-calls-for-by-maori-for-maori-vaccinations/

What would happen someone demanded to be vaccinated by a white person? And how would that be different?
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January 23, 2022 8:06am
- Dougal10
  
  How would they know, unless a tribal identity card is issued and used. Maybe the vax pass should incorporate this kind of info //.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:09am
- Cassandra
  
  I hope Taonui is a man of principle and will only allow Maori doctors and nurses to treat him when he’s in hospital. There are no Maori neurosurgeons so he’d better not fall off his bike.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:11am
- jgw739
  
  Cones across like the Willie Jackson of medicine… gimme gimme gimme
  
  The rollout for kids started less than a week ago and he’s already saying Maori need more resource, but of course this actually means money for Maori providers.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:11am
- KH
  
  It’s about the money Benedict. The interests of the children is just a front, what they seek is more money into Maori organisations.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:19am
- peterwn
  
  The former would be appropriate for cultural reasons but the latter inappropriate because it would be racist. Interestingly no one seemed to have objected to being vaccinated by Dr Shane Reti because of his political beliefs and activism.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:20am
- Jim
  
  Good luck with sustaining that principle if you need someone like a neurosurgeon.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:32am
- Nickc2
  
  Well, it didn’t take long for that racist rort to rear its ugly head did it?
  No doubt these Maori Vaccinators will demand wages and koha beyond that currently paid to non-Maori vaccinators because Maori Science, Technology and Tradition is involved in the job.
  There will be many words exchanged about this rort but Cindy will cave in because …. well just because, and it’s kind and nice and kids’ welfare comes first eh.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Logically then, Mr Taonui should be demanding Maori-developed vaccines.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:29am
  - Jack5
    
    Rawiri Taonui is professor of Maori and Indigenous Studies at Massey University, and head of its School of Maori Art, Knowledge and Education.
    
    Taonui has a PhD but his discipline isn’t medicine.
    
    He studied at Auckland University. His MA thesis was on Polynesian origins, migrations an navigation, and his PhD thesis (English-language) title was Dynamics in Maori Oral Tradition.
    
    Earlier in his career, Taonui had a somewhat controversial spell on the staff at Canterbury University.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4366846/Outspoken-Rawiri-Taonui-resigns
    
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    January 23, 2022 12:12pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  So this person is demanding that Maori folk should only be vaccinated by Maori health workers.
  
  The news story is slightly more equivocal on this point than its headline.
  
  As someone whose six family doctors over seven decades have included four different ethnic groups ranging from black to white, and whose two overseas in-patient hospital experiences were in places where I appeared to be the only mother-tongue English speaker among patients and staff, I find this obsession with matching ethnicity somewhat bizarre.
  
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  January 23, 2022 2:08pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Will I have the privilege of selecting the ethnicity of any Doctor tending to me and mine? Definitely fucking not!
    How this bunch of privileged pricks expects their wishes will be tolerated beats me.
    But hey, anything’s possible when votes are required eh.
    
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    January 23, 2022 2:43pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  See, this kind of utterly demented BS makes me think about taking the drastic action of migrating to Russia, Japan or some other generally woke-proof jurisdiction.
  
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  January 23, 2022 2:31pm
- KH
  
  Dr Rawiri Taonui reveals the ethnic basis for catching Covid. Some quotes from his article in Stuff.
  “…….. a surge (apparently) in Pākehā holiday cases while seeking fun under a pandemic sun, and overseas returnees …..”
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  “…..The disproportionate Māori figures are the direct result of last year’s discriminatory, age-based, older-first, younger-later vaccine roll-out…..”
  So when Pakeha get Covid it’s because of summer holidays and overseas travel and when Maori get Covid it’s because of discrimination.
  
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  January 23, 2022 3:13pm
- I remember when
  
  BY:
  Almost certainly more restricted than Maori health workers.
  Maori speakers before they even qualify to become Maori health workers.
  
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  January 23, 2022 3:25pm
- Boutique Avo Orchard
  
  Rhetorical i assume BY? Personally i dont care if the person who vaccinates me is from Mars as long as they are qualified to vaccinate.
  
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  January 23, 2022 4:29pm
- KKKKatee
  
  It wouldn’t. This is pure psycho babble.
  
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  March 23, 2022 2:47pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Stuff reminds us that it’s two years since WHO declared a global emergency re Covid (30 Jan). However, it wasn’t until 19 March that our borders were closed.

Go hard, go early – pffst! Don’t forget this ahead of the next election.
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January 23, 2022 8:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And remember the fuss when Trump wanted to suspend flights from China into the US in late Jan 2020?
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/white-house-discussing-china-travel-restrictions-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html
  
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  January 23, 2022 2:41pm
KH

Recently some on this site claimed there was no such thing as Palestinians, and the people there in 1948 were just camping.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/22/palestinians-call-for-probe-into-israeli-massacres-in-tantura
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January 23, 2022 8:13am
Cassandra

There’s an interesting article on Stuff this morning by Damian Grant re the Tamaki case and what he terms illiberal democracy. Thought provoking. You might not agree with the details – he compares apples and oranges to a degree – but in principle I think he’s spot on. It has made me think. Recommended.
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January 23, 2022 8:14am
fernglas

Hi New Zealand. I’ve had Omicron, as has almost everyone I know here. No-one is the worse for it. At most, there were a couple of days of minor discomfort. Don’t shut your country down, don’t vaccinate your kids. Lose a bit of weight and get on with life. If they’ll let you.
And don’t believe what the newspapers tell you. They’re only selling advertising at your expense
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January 23, 2022 8:16am
- Ra Henare
  
  Talking to a friend of mine just returned from UK.
  
  Yep he had Omicron, except he didnt know he had it until he had to get the pre travel PCR test!!
  
  23 days later still no symptoms or discomfort.
  
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  January 23, 2022 4:31pm
Prince

The White Queen told Alice…
‘The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday – but never jam to-day’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/127562368/covid19-chris-hipkins-says-significant-border-changes-are-possible-in-first-half-of-this-year
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January 23, 2022 8:18am
Suze Wainwright

I saw lots of fat wads of cash being used to pay for expensive dinners in a flash restaurant in the central city last night. Some sectors of the economy must be booming right now…
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January 23, 2022 8:23am
mandk

I can’t help feeling that some Maori would happier living in bantustans.
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January 23, 2022 8:25am
Ruahine

This is from Jeff Thomas from the U.K.
Please watch and be amazed. Covid truly is a Political Virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTBvFAkXCyk
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January 23, 2022 8:27am
- Ruahine
  
  OH. Dear.
  Jeff Taylor actually.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why is Brian Tamaki in prison?

Tamaki’s lifestyle mocks our delicate conventions of class and race. He isn’t wanting to be saved, patronised or rescued by the insecure intelligentsia who run our liberal institutions. He holds the wrong views and is showing a shocking level of disrespect in expressing them. He simply does not know his place.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300501039/why-the-arrest-and-detention-of-brian-tamaki-dismays-me
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January 23, 2022 8:34am
- Sean OConnor
  
  It’s incredible going to left wing forums and finding them justifying
  A) Someone on remand being allowed no direct access to family or a lawyer
  B) Not being given basic hygiene products
  C) The prison being caught red-handed lying about B)
  D) Someone being held in custody for what’s basically a political crime in the first place.
  
  Truly, the only real criminals to leftists are political crimes.
  
  PS As usual, David Seymour is a willing tool of the Left when it comes to defending the rights of people who will never vote ACT.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:47am
- bronny1
  
  Can’t believe stuffed published that
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:49am
- Cinematic
  
  Tamaki’s imprisonment is beyond ridiculous. It’s sinister.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:51am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy Wassilieff
  Tamaki was not arrested and charged for speaking out against the Government and its regulations, but rather for alleged breaches of COVID-19 Protection Public Health Order and breaching bail conditions.
  
  From a Newshub article “Kiwi pastors pen letter urging Brian Tamaki’s prison release, say his arrest is ‘warning sign’ for Christians” [1]
  
  Also see – “Brian Tamaki supporters protest outside Mt Eden prison demanding Destiny Church leader be given hygiene products” [2]
  … “Prison/police representatives have lied to the Tamaki family – the family were advised that Apostle Brian Tamaki had received his personal hygiene items as was discussed and agreed. – while his flocking supporters outside Mt Eden Prison offended residents by defecating in the bushes.
  
  [1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/kiwi-pastors-pen-letter-urging-brian-tamaki-s-prison-release-say-his-arrest-is-warning-sign-for-christians.html
  [2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/brain-tamaki-supporters-protest-outside-mt-eden-prison-demanding-destiny-church-leader-be-given-hygiene-products.html
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:57am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Yvette, did you see the part where the ptison guard admitted that Tamaki actually hadn’t been issued the hygiene products? And the prison bosses corporate waffle when called out on his lie? Are you comfortable with people on remand not having access to their families or lawyers?
    While we’re at it, didn’t Jacinda pay for portaloos for the Ihumatao protestors?
    
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    January 23, 2022 12:24pm
  - gravedodger
    
    @ Yvette yeah and Alphonse Capone ended up in Alcatraz because he didn’t file accurate “Tax Returns”.
    How many other NZ Citizens were in breach of their bail conditions that particular week and ended up in a Mt Eden remand cell, just a rough estimate will suffice.
    
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    January 23, 2022 1:53pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    The protests led by Brian Tamaki have clearly been major health risks. With just 0 cases of Covid attributed to them. Compared to DJ dimension who actually went to public venues with COVID. No prosecution for him.
    
    In protesting against the loss of freedoms of association and movement imposed on all NZ’ers under the guise of health protection measures he was clearly in the wrong. But how else can he mount protest against an unjust government?
    
    Conversely how many months did Pania Newton and her group illegally occupy private land in Mangere in 2019? Just remind me what legal action was taken against Pania. No that’s right, nothing. Instead Pania was praised and nominated by the Herald for NZer of the year awards. She is a role model for breaking private property rights.
    
    The two crimes committed by Tamaki are:
    
    1. He has opposed the government and been highly critical of Jacinda.
    
    2. He is not liked by the majority of the NZ public.
    
    Neither of these warrant his incarceration. Come on people, we are better than this.
    
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    January 23, 2022 9:53pm
- artemisia
  
  Alex Berenson on substack is worth a look. His recent book is getting some trenchant criticism –
  
  Pandemia: How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government, Rights, and Lives
  
  He specifically mentions criticism from Nathan J Robinson, former political columnist for the Guardian.
  
  PANDEMIA’s epigraph says: Go and try, you’ll never break me.
  
  PS Mr Berenson writes really good thrillers.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:03am
- Mike
  
  He is wilfully defying the courts. Unsurprisingly, this had lauded him in jail.
  Twas ever thus. Whether one thinks of him as a martyr or a common crook will largely depend on one’s opinions of Tamaki’s opinions.
  I think he’s a fundie mutcase seeking attention to recruit more followers and the money and power that brings.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:08am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Do you think fundie nutcases should be allowed to see their lawyers while preparing their defence, or not?
    Isn’t a fundie someone who thinks basic rights don’t apply to their ideological outgroups?
    
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    January 23, 2022 12:26pm
- Jack5
  
  Tamaki’s been singled out alright.
  
  The protests and disruptions from the Left, the Woke, and the Greens have included climbing on ships, chaining themselves to railway lines, threatening to crash planes into a sporting crowd, and endless chanting, slogan waving.
  
  Scratch a Wokie and you find totalitarian blood.
  
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  January 23, 2022 10:33am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  When the regime asked “who will rid me of this turbulent preist” the police stepped on up. Sort of befitting (not Arch) Bishop Tamiki (not of Canterburyl
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:59am
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: Not bad for a $tuff article. Thanks for posting it.
  
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  January 23, 2022 12:07pm
Maggie Pie

‘Be sure your Sins will find you out’

– Numbers 32:23

https://twitter.com/KiwiLithium/status/1484707983355691009
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January 23, 2022 8:43am
- Mike
  
  Can’t you just confess your sins, mumble a magic spell and your sons are washed away?
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The tweet below that is great.
  https://twitter.com/Farq_Doff/status/1484681969938350080/photo/1
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:20am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It’s coming and you know it. Socialists do not relinquish control – ever, without a fight.
Do as I say or else you bastard comrades.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/australia/jacinda-ardern-will-force-covid-contacts-to-isolate-for-24-days/ar-AAT2aPA?ocid=msedgntp
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January 23, 2022 8:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who thinks a local gangsta and his clubmates are going to self-isolate for 3 weeks-plus?
  
  Tell Hipkins he’s dreaming.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:49am
- bronny1
  
  Does she think anyone will willingly sign in or do a test knowing that? I will just stay home if I’m sick.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:57am
  - curry4me
    
    bronny1: Odds are, you won’t even know you’re sick. It’s easy enough to fake signing in. Don’t even think about getting a test.
    
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    January 23, 2022 12:16pm
- fernglas
  
  Everywhere else in the world is bringing the isolation period down because Omicron comes and goes quickly. Are you people stupid, or is it just your politicians and “rock star” epidemiologists? Thanks for another good laugh, NZ.
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:59am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Fern: “ Are you people stupid, or is it just your politicians and “rock star” epidemiologists?”
    ALL THREE!!
    
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    January 23, 2022 12:03pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Haha Steve – yes I saw this on the news last night! This will work until the hospitals, supermarkets, schools run out of staff within a day….
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:17am
- covfefe
  
  Will ‘destroy’ health system more than covid will – her dopey response to it
  
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  January 23, 2022 10:06am
Mike H S

It is interesting that you learn so much from history. I have just had a look at the Spanish Flu. It lasted just over a year. Yes just one year.

It had four “waves” which we would probably have described as variants of which, the second was the deadliest and then it disappeared. Maybe Omicron will be the last variant or if there is another it will continue to be a weaker variant again.

The question therefore is “Why has this one lasted longer than a year?” Perhaps the answer is in our response and knowledge. We know what the effect is and we know how to minimise the contagion. The comparisons to make are between Sweden and NZ. They had it tough but did the right things from a Public Health perspective (and not Covid focused like we have) and are probably back to normal freedoms. We continue to be locked up in our little remote country.

Perhaps by locking ourselves up we have prevented the spread but also prevented the natural immunities the communities acquired during the Spanish Flu and certainly, now that we are vaccinated, it is time for us to open up and get on with our normal lives.
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January 23, 2022 8:45am
- Jack5
  
  That’s a good viewpoint, Mike H.S.
  
  But don’t overlook that if the proportion of New Zealand fatalities in the Spanish flu were applied to the present pandemic, we would have more than 30,000 deaths.
  
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  January 23, 2022 12:43pm
  - Mike H S
    
    I appreciate that. I guess a point I am trying to make is that we don’t seem to be looking at history and learning from previous episodes. If the lessons have been learnt, we are not seeing much discussion of that from the Pulpit.
    
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    January 23, 2022 1:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Powers-that-be now have Vaccines in their pandemic armoury.
      
      There were no flu vaccines in the 1920s.
      
      So WHO and our leaders have decided on a new strategy for dealing with a respiratory virus…
      
      I suppose in the years to come we’ll discover whether
      our years of lockdown and mass vaccinations have been worthwhile.
      
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      January 23, 2022 2:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yep, the same culprits are getting ready for more fear porn and control.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/siouxsie-wiles-really-worried-about-government-s-omicron-plan/ar-AAT15Xi?ocid=msedgntp
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January 23, 2022 8:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  RED ALERT!
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    Conjures up memories of the Despicable Mallard and Clueless Claire Currans attempt at blogging – where they abused and banned anyone that disagreed with them.
    
    Probably paid for by taxpayers in usual Labour fashion.
    
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    January 23, 2022 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I lasted 3 weeks on that blog, before a lifetime ban. They didn’t like the truth.
      Great badge of honour
      
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      January 23, 2022 10:25am
- Cinematic
  
  Wiles from that article:
  
  “If we can stop people spreading the virus, then we can stop Omicron. And the more we do to stop transmission, the quicker it will be over.”
  
  Huh?
  
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  January 23, 2022 8:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah she has said a lot of very non-expert things over last two years. Should be ignored.
    
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    January 23, 2022 11:05am
- cmm
  
  This is all part of the good cop/bad cop game. It’s as fake as professional wrestling.
  
  Baker and Wiles et al call for much more draconian measures than Cindy. Cindy’s draconian measures don’t look as bad.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  To use a great Dime line, I will file Ms Wiles concerns in my “Don’t give a shit” folder ? ?
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:33am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  A. I’m not vaccinated and I am OK with that. Actually more than happy, releived would be a better word.
  
  B. I don’t watch free to Air TV no more fear porn,
  
  Life is good feel very relaxed and happy.
  
  Life goes on the world continues to revolve around the sun.
  
  Feel sorry for the scared little shepple but that is their choice,
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:42am
  - jgw739
    
    Snap. I miss the pub & eating out, but can live without it.
    
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    January 23, 2022 11:05am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      When you are in the top 10% of a businesses customers, they don’t ask to many questions.
      
      Why would you turn away the people that keep your business afloat.
      
      Especially as this nonsense will end one day and some of us have long memories.
      
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      January 23, 2022 7:31pm
Sean OConnor

I’m not a fan of Brian Tamaki, never have been, never will be. I think he’s a false teacher.
But if the anti-COVID-State vote coalesces around him and he has a shot at getting over 5%, I’ll vote for him as a sign of my disgust with every single party in Parliament.
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January 23, 2022 8:50am
- Mike
  
  Will the political rallies of such a coalition he headlined by the Mongel Mob, like the recent protest marches to parliament?
  
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  January 23, 2022 12:42pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    The same Mongrel Mob the Ardern government has thrown millions at for “drug rehab “ when one of the most successful treatment programs is run by Destiny Church?
    
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    January 23, 2022 6:41pm
Truman lodge

It’s like Maori tutorials at University. Maybe there is an argument for it, even though I don’t agree. But they have University tutorials and special places for pacific islanders. A group who has been here 60 years gets special treatment.
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January 23, 2022 8:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Even the expert tee totalers are getting in on the act.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/likely-to-continue-researcher-urges-kiwis-not-to-stock-up-on-alcohol-as-omicron-looms-could-lead-to-increased-consumption/ar-AAT1xuM?
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January 23, 2022 8:51am
- cmm
  
  Yet another unintended consequence of lockdown.
  I wonder how many latent alcoholics have become active alcoholics?
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    People have different opinions on who and who is not an alcoholic.
    “If you stock up, you feel like drinking more and if you have nothing to do, you will keep drinking,” Dr Hla said.
    She needs to keep her nose out of my business. I just bought 2 boxes (12) of Jack Daniels, and 8 doz Stella, so put that in your pipe and smoke it Doctor.
    
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    January 23, 2022 9:17am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The doctor is full of shit to put it politely. I live remotely. Like you, I often buy 10 dozen at a time and a couple of bottles of whiskey. It doesn’t mean I sit in the corner staring at it and dribbling.
      Bloody “experts”.
      
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      January 23, 2022 9:57am
  - GT Build
    
    Why fight it join them
    
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    January 23, 2022 9:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Just wait for the first omicron wave. It will be panic buying of toilet paper, folk rushing the vaccine centres for their booster. Panicked parents dragging the little kids in for their jab.??
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    Panic buying already under way as we passed outlocal Supermarket this morning.
    Mallard and Robertson publically told peole to stock up for at least two weeks last week.
    Imagine being a family with four children and having to stock for them all – where is the money coming, from and where are you going to keep say alone boxes of Weetbix milk and Coke alone.
    This government must go/ – now !
    But it is too late !
    
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    January 23, 2022 10:20am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    For greater glory of the Democratic Republic of New Zealand under dear leader Ardern: Economize on poo-tickets, use both sides.
    
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    January 23, 2022 12:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More scaremongering. 2800 per day? Pull the other one. We have been lied to before.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/government-dropped-the-ball-on-rapid-antigen-test-access-gp-says/ar-AAT1nul?
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January 23, 2022 8:54am
Yvette

Abigail Peden (“More MIQ madness”, David Farrar 7am post) should enter New Zealand by the same protocol as was the Pacific UN worker (who was admitted straight to hospital where she spent 76 days) and Abigail should receive an operation with the same priority as a car smash victim bought into A&E.
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January 23, 2022 8:59am
Tomtoddy

The Journal of the American Medical Association is a reputable peer-reviewed medical journal. It has articles discussing myocarditis following the Pfizer jab.

No one seems to be able say definitely the number of myocarditis cases and deaths caused by the jab but what is extremely serious is this statement….

” We do not know the specific mechanisms by which immunologic responses to mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines could lead to myocarditis. Further investigation is critical and should be informed by the fact that most cases occurred following the second dose of a 2-dose series.”

In other words we are injecting millions of people with something we do not know enough about. Then read Professor Christof Kuhbandner’s findings and your day will be ruined. We, the sheeple are in dangerous hands.
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January 23, 2022 9:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The potential for serious heart damage is the only reason I am reluctant to get the booster. Yes it is a rare event. But the consequences are catastrophic.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:39am
  - Lee C
    
    I complied with teh jabs because I wanted to stay in business.
    I have zero trust in the Government or teh Opposition.
    These c**ts would find a way to fine me into destitution if I did not comply, so I took one for the team.
    Many of us did the same. But Boosters – no.
    
    May they rot in hell all of them.
    
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    January 23, 2022 9:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The thing that worries me is anaphylaxis. It nearly killed me a couple months ago.
    I think over 300 NZers have had this from the first and second Covid vax. Numbers are hard to find
    
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    January 23, 2022 10:29am
  - Fletch
    
    TBH I do not think it is that rare. In the interviews Liz Gunn has done with the vaccine injured, the injured independently talk about being admitted to a ward with between 7 and 9 others suffering the same.
    
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    January 23, 2022 10:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t know why this is not investigated.
  
  https://www.10news.com/news/in-depth/in-depth-can-a-simple-technique-stop-myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination
  
  Denmark recently mandated a change to vaccine techniques to reduce the risk of injecting into a blood vessel. If heart damage events in Denmark decline significantly, that will be a wake up call.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The “retired nurse” who Mcos told us all about, did a video on that very important topic 2 months ago.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsACTX0_ihs
    
    Of course we’re lucky that Mcos pointed out he’s only a “retired nurse” so we can safely ignore anything he says. //
    
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    January 23, 2022 10:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The aspiration method does not seem to be used in NZ – I have never seen it and I have had my second dose
    
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    January 23, 2022 10:33am
    - jgw739
      
      I wonder if you can request the nurse uses the aspiration technique? Or is he/she even knows how it is done?
      
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      January 23, 2022 11:07am
WaveyDavey

Finally. Finally. After two whole years of sticking their heads in the sand and promoting the myth of kiwi exceptionalism they finally face reality…

“The coronavirus will eventually become “endemic” in New Zealand, and there may be “significant” changes to the borders in the first half of 2022, Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says.

“Now we have to accept we are coming to the next phase of the strategy where we will have Covid – hopefully eventually endemic in the community rather than pandemic”

Don’t ever, ever let them rewrite history like this though

” “Keeping Covid out of the country was never a five-year strategy. It was always an immediate strategy to get us to the point where we can be vaccinated, and we can be better prepared,” Hipkins told Stuff.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/127562368/covid19-chris-hipkins-says-significant-border-changes-are-possible-in-first-half-of-this-year

Those of us who for 2 years have said that this is where we would eventually end up are vindicated
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January 23, 2022 9:04am
The Other Enoch

An open letter to Stuff.

Covid-19: Chris Hipkins says ‘significant’ border changes are possible in first half of this year

As Stuff(ed)’s ‘Explainer in Chief’ perhaps you might like to investigate and explain why this cruel, incompetent and corrupt government led by the most divisive Prime Minister ever wont give an MIQ slot to the Peden family under an emergency exemption.

Someone needs to explain why and we can all bet that this government and MBIE won’t so it is up to the likes of you to do so. In years past, proper journalists would fall over themselves to chase this story. The likes of Edwards, Fraser, Holmes, Walker et al would not let a government get away with this cruel and uncaring behaviour. The Press, The Dominion and The Evening Post would have headlines screaming for heads to roll and wanting to know the why and who behind such decisions.

Sadly, today’s woke media has become so passive, so afraid of upsetting the government hand that feeds them, seemingly trembling that they might miss out on their ‘deserved’ allocation of funds from the $55m, that any story that is too critical of this PM and her cronies is either ignored or watered down to such an extent that it becomes a puff piece in quasi praise of how Jacinda, Hipkins and Robertson are leading this country.

Looking at the Peden story, is the family not getting coverage because they are a Christian missionary family? Are the not getting an MIQ slot because they have covid? Is it due to incompetence within MBIE? Who would know?

Shame on you and your colleagues at Stuff. Show some testicular fortitude and do your job. After all, you never know, you might just win some respect back.
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January 23, 2022 9:08am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Parents should rename her DJ Peden. She’d be in so fast it will make your head spin
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:10am
Tomtoddy

Survey of USA Democratic voters in a recent poll:

-55% support fines against unvaxxed
-59% support house arrest
-48% support prison for questioning vax efficacy on social media
-45% support internment camps
-47% support surveillance
-29% support the state taking their kids

I dare say the fear porn peddlars and the Jacinda luvvies would say something similar.
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January 23, 2022 9:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Imagine reading that 3 years ago. You’d be right to regard those Democrats as certifiable, yet here we are.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:27am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The real fascists.
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:15am
coge

Double jabbed here. Not accepting a booster, maskless when possible, uninstalled the COVID check in app. Rejected the passport from the get go.
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January 23, 2022 9:11am
- Tom Hunter
  
  You need to keep an eye out for Wayne Mapp when he next appears on this blog, huffing and puffing about how opposition to government actions is merely that of a small minority, judging by his metric of the vaccination rates.
  
  There seem to be quite a few of you so it should be interesting to see how he copes. Based on my experience he won’t respond directly to your points.
  
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  January 23, 2022 3:21pm
Biscuit

Come on down the person who voted ‘6324’…

As the number of times in last night’s Rugby vs Cricket game that the execrable Alternative Cricket Commentary team used the term ‘The Hairy Javelin’ for Grant Elliott…
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January 23, 2022 9:12am
- Nickc2
  
  I thought the Commentary Team was covering a Gay Pride Parade.
  I turned the sound off, opened another bottle of Merlot and it was much more bearable to watch.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:17am
- Mike
  
  The ACC team is at least a break from the usual commentary. They have some genuinely amusing lines but, just as the regulars, overdo many jokes and stock comments.
  I wouldn’t mind a dollar for every time Craig Macmillan says “what a shot that is!”, or ‘Sumo’ calls a catch a “speccy”.
  
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  January 23, 2022 9:21am
Lee C

Check this out: https://youtu.be/nZNmdDv48xE

With the craven complicity of the so-called Opposition..”
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January 23, 2022 9:23am
Surely Knott

First time protestor. Went to the Auckland Freedom Protest yesterday as part of the Worldwide March for Freedom. It was reported on the news like this….. Wellington had 1,000ish people at the protest. They had loud motorbikes and no traffic control and it was annoying. Auckland also had a protest. (no details given) Brian Tamaki……

There was no mention of the thousands that showed up for the Auckland protest or that it was a peaceful protest (except for the loud motorbikes) and well organised with police traffic control.

What was surreal was that as we marched down Queen street, police were positioned on the church steps with a long telephoto lens camera taking pictures of the individual protesters.
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January 23, 2022 9:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Politically inconvenient to regime, so not worthy of reporting.
  
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  January 23, 2022 12:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Best President ever//
Good job Brandon.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/biden-shuts-down-keystone-pipeline-removes-sanctions-from-nord-stream-2-then-imports-tons-of-oil-from-russia/?
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January 23, 2022 9:32am
- Fletch
  
  The ire that people seem to feel for Trump, I feel for Biden. The guy is a slippery sleazeball. But I shouldn’t speak ill of the mentally impaired.
  
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  January 23, 2022 10:38am
Waipuk

It is good to be some

In Gisborne vaccinations at the local marae this weekend for the kids. Free food and coffees etc, for everyone and the kids get gift bags. If an adult gets their first or second they get $50 Pak n Save voucher.
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January 23, 2022 10:03am
- Lummox
  
  Nah. That’s just being mean. Come up to Kaitaia and get $150 for your first and $50 for your second jab.
  The advert is roadside on SH1, just outside Hone’s place. It’s been the same rate for a couple of months now.
  
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  January 23, 2022 12:37pm
Maggie Pie

Q: Is ‘Speaker Trevor’ a seer?
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January 23, 2022 10:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh goodness…are you suggesting that Cabinet knew on Thursday that they were going to throw the country into lockdown on Sunday Night….and they’d organise a wee leak to ready the Team of 5M?
  
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  January 23, 2022 10:18am
  - jgw739
    
    The PM said the other day that we could go into a red traffic light within 24-48 hours. I imagine this means Monday night?
    
    I wonder what the rules will be this time? No point checking the MoH website, that’s for sure.
    
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    January 23, 2022 10:32am
Cassandra

Radio NZ News: “National calls for better mental health services for Asians”. I’m sure this is a good idea but seriously is this the priority for National? Maori politicians incl tribal leaders, academics and sundry others are calling for their own form of apartheid and Asian mental health is the main issue for National? Hardly a word from National on this hot, important, issue. Come on, man.
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January 23, 2022 10:12am
- Jack5
  
  The whole mental health system is under huge pressure …. shortages of staff, crumbling facilities, old hospitals over full.
  
  Calls for new or increased services for specific races are stupid as well as inappropriate.
  
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  January 23, 2022 1:01pm
ClanMcleod

Here are some fully referenced facts about covid.

https://swprs.org/covid19-facts/

Note how many of them our government has actively contravened, exacerbated or willfully ignored. Specifically the proven data around masks, lockdowns, vaccines, treatment, transmission etc etc etc. If you go through this list it is plainly obvious that Ardern and co have done everything wrong that possible could be done wrong.
I cannot imagine how it is possible for any government to fuck things up so badly. No matter how incompetent. The only conclusion is that it is deliberate malfeasance and a criminal act. Just one example.

Fact number 18 – Media:

“The reporting of many media has been unprofessional, has increased fear and panic in the population and has led to a hundredfold overestimation of the lethality of the coronavirus. Some media even used manipulative pictures and videos to dramatize the situation.”

A media paid for by the sitting PM and her government. If this isn’t illegal activity then what is it?
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January 23, 2022 10:15am
Yvette

Wiles said in the case of an outbreak, authorities should immediately shut down certain venues and activities.
“Certain kinds of activities are just really high risk: indoor dining, night clubs. Regardless of whether you can stay one metre away from other people… those are still high risk situations.
“If we can stop people spreading the virus, then we can stop Omicron. And the more we do to stop transmission, the quicker it will be over.” [1]

Covid rules could see household contacts of positive case isolate for 24 days [2]

An insolvable problem : Is not isolation with household contacts a most high risk situation? – as shown already with the past few months of delta outbreak evidence?

Ardern ruled out using regional boundaries or lockdowns [1]
Lockdowns will now be by household

[1] https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/siouxsie-wiles-really-worried-about-government-s-omicron-plan/ar-AAT15Xi?ocid=msedgntp
[2] https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/22/covid-rules-could-see-household-contacts-of-positive-case-isolate-for-24-days/
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January 23, 2022 10:22am
Paulus

Read about a young Auckland couple who have been told that the new house they bought will cost them another $150,000.
They cannot afford that so are back to mum and dad accomodation and start again.
I hope they will now reconsider who they vote for the next time.
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January 23, 2022 10:23am
- barnacle bill
  
  Thats the trouble with voting National.
  
  See how far that got the young couple.
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:52am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Lol. Labour have boosted my house value by more than a million. They’re monkeys playing with petrol and matches.
    
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    January 23, 2022 12:17pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      Never mind UN
      
      Luther Luxon has a plan, so far around 60 plans in such a short space of time.
      
      Easy when he never needs to act on any of them.
      
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      January 23, 2022 1:11pm
Cassandra

From The Telegraph (UK): Two men took a corpse into the post office to claim his pension. In Ireland of course. No, this is for real, not a Dave Allen skit.
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January 23, 2022 10:32am
- Diogenes
  
  They must have been watching the movie “Waking Ned Devine”.
  
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  January 23, 2022 2:15pm
emmess

I don’t know why on a level of pure poll analysis, the National and ACT parties here do not try to emulate the strategy of the Republicans in the US

Now, the Republicans are up 14 percent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9hFdoCwpRQ

The Jacinda-lite strategy is clearing failing
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January 23, 2022 11:14am
- curry4me
  
  emess: I don’t think we can epect much except platitudes with Chris from Marketing running National. Maybe ACT will leave the Branch Covidians and remember they used to be the ‘freedom party’. Plan B will probly involve a one way trip to Oz.
  
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  January 23, 2022 11:46am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjKx9F5jyuo

A Huge Thank You from Mel & I.

Since putting out an appeal yesterday to humbly ask for help with legal costs toward challenging the authorities over the suspension of my firearms licence and having it reinstated, and our property returned, you all have been incredibly generous in getting behind us not just in affirmation and words of encouragement but practically also. [3:13. It looks like his appeal for funds worked quickly. Good luck to him.]
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January 23, 2022 11:41am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmCAkAhCItU

Britain is at its weakest, in its 415 years of existence.

The UK is still the fifth largest economy in the world. It continues to enjoy a somewhat high standard of living and continues to exert great influence in matters of international importance. But it is all slipping away fast. And that is our main talking point today. [6:16]
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January 23, 2022 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Podium of truth. Now 11.46 and someone showing signs of having had enough. Body language and voice tone have changed
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January 23, 2022 11:47am
- H. Upmann
  
  You are a brave man Steve, lasting through to and beyond 11:46.
  
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  January 23, 2022 12:20pm
Loddenthinks

I only just picked this up now – a breathless headline on Newshub from 17 January:

“PM Jacinda Ardern breaks silence over Clarke Gayford’s alleged attempt to get rapid antigen tests for mates”

So first of all it’s now an “alleged” attempt, minimise minimise minimise. And here’s what the Princess had to say, verbatim:

“Everything that is to be said has been. He’s made an apology and I think that really covers everything.”

What a scoop! Hold the front page! She has broken her silence, and how!
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January 23, 2022 11:58am
Maggie Pie

Our neighbor was just telling us the function she was supposed to be going to next week has been cancelled.
The people have had trouble finding a nanny apparently.
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January 23, 2022 12:06pm
fightingtemeraire

Political commentator in the UK called Jeff Taylor ( google him and you will see his commentaries) is reporting that the death toll from CV 19 alone and not with comorbidities is 17,500
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January 23, 2022 12:23pm
Fletch

Auckland fire stations are closing for lack of staffing.

Further to our notice of 9th January, career fire stations and fire trucks continue to face crisis levels of staffing, with several stations closed during the day due to a lack of career firefighters, with many more fire trucks responding to emergencies with below the minimum safe number of firefighters.

The minimum number of on-duty career firefighters (called Minimum Shift Staffing) in Auckland has been unable to be maintained no less than 43 times in 5 weeks, career fire trucks closed down more than 7 times at Titirangi and Birkenhead, communities left with no fire protection during the day and volunteers being expected to bear the brunt of poor FENZ staffing decisions.

This Saturday (22nd) alone Auckland has closures or shortages at the following stations:

St Heliers, Parnell, Ellerslie, Mt Roskill, Glen Eden, East Coast Bays, Birkenhead, Albany, Howick, Otahuhu, Otara

The North Shore is particularly vulnerable with a career fire truck closed (Birkenhead), and others at East Coast Bays, Albany, and Glen Eden short staffed, and this past week the Titirangi community left unprotected for several days.

A call to a house fire this afternoon in Birkdale was attended by the fire truck from Takapuna which took 10 minutes to arrive due to the closure of the Birkenhead fire station. Luckily this turned out to be a fence and retaining wall on fire that had not spread to the neighbouring structures. The impact of this 10 minute response time could have been catastrophic if the fire had spread further.

https://www.nzpfu.org.nz/news/auckland-career-fire-stations-close-due-to-lack-of-staffing/

Hmmm, wonder why that is… ?
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January 23, 2022 12:30pm
- I remember when
  
  Now imagine the NZ countryside covered with CO2 reducing forestry.
  Any chance of shortages of fire fighters.
  Now how could we solve that in the future?
  Calling Asia.
  
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  January 23, 2022 1:01pm
  - Nickc2
    
    CRIMINAL!
    How’s this going to affect home and contents insurance, not to mention loss of life?
    Have the Govt covered their arses?
    
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    January 23, 2022 1:35pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Given Glen Eden and Titirangi are on the edge of the Waitakere Ranges and it is tinder dry, this seems particularly dangerous.
  
  Fiddling while Rome burns.
  
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  January 23, 2022 4:15pm
I remember when

CDC Health Data (mainly 2018):
US Population 65+
. Fair or Poor Health 22.2%
. Need help with personal care 7%
. Currently smoke 8.5%
Obesity:
. Men aged 65-74: 41.9% – Women 45.9%
. Men aged 75+: 31.8% – Women 36.1%
Hypertension:
. Men 64-75: 66.7% – Women 74.3%
. Men 75+: 81.5% – Women 86%
Mortality:
. 65-74: 2%
. 75-84: 5%
. 85+: 15%
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January 23, 2022 12:56pm
Rusty

Get ready for the panic buying in our supermarkets soon.
Don’t blame Nzers for panicking. I place it on the govt and media who spout out confusing and contradictory information.
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January 23, 2022 1:02pm
Maggie Pie

Even Kate Hawkesby called TWITTER …..a ‘toxic cesspit’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/Farq_Doff/status/1485029139719782401
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January 23, 2022 1:07pm
Pineapple Lumps

Requesting nominations for Covidian Crazy Awards:

#1. At public tip today. In green waste section, not a car in sight. Tipping garden bag and from 20 metres away the tip attendant shouts “you must wear a mask to use the facility.”

“I’m sorry I don’t have a mask, how about I just stay distanced over here and tip my rubbish.”

“No the rules are you must have a mask, it’s on the gate, I will have to get you a mask.”

“Only 2 more bags to tip, then I will be gone.”

“No, putting other customers at risk.” Runs off to get a mask.

Meanwhile the bags are emptied. I’m back in the vehicle and leaving. Tip attendant returns with a mask. I smile, wave, and thank her for her concern. Still no one else in site.

Stoney silence and l very miffed looking Tip Attendant.
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January 23, 2022 1:57pm
- kevn
  
  @Pine… Probably worried you would pot her for being mask/casual.
  That’s the reality in NZ now. Fear of being potted and fined or losing your job.
  
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  January 23, 2022 2:27pm
  - MCōs
    
    People in low paid jobs that they can’t afford to lose don’t give a shit for the opinion of some smart arse who thinks they know better than their boss.
    
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    January 23, 2022 8:23pm
Prince

More bullshit from the Govt and their media arm Stuff about why it took four weeks to change the Booking system for Boosters.
Nothing to do with them being away on holiday of course.
No, ‘The online bookings only just became available due to system changes required. Some of the changes were complex and across multiple systems, and would ensure continued safe and effective immunisation.
The work included changes to the systems that recorded all vaccinations, the booking system people used to make appointments, and safety monitoring systems, so the systems accepted 4-month boosters as a valid entry, the spokesperson said.’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127463795/planning-to-get-your-booster-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-booking-it

What a heap of crock.
Imagine if your bank reduced their mortgage rate, but told you it would take four weeks for system changes, so you would just have to keep paying the higher rate.

This is why Private Enterprise beats Government every time. They provide a service or people go elsewhere.
In NZ, the Govt relies on a gullible media to recite their pathetic excuses.
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January 23, 2022 2:53pm
I remember when

Benefits of Covid-19 vaccination:
So the CDC study shows that if you are vaccinated, under 65 with no risk factors Covid presents limited problems.
How does that compare with comparable unvaccinated group?
The report is largely pre-Omicron.
How many of those in the study have had covid before.
There was a one in 500 chance of catching Delta covid after vaccination.
Worldometer records show that 21.5% of population have had Covid (so double?).
US population is 63.5% fully vaccinated.
In NZ these figures would result in approx 6000 infections.
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January 23, 2022 3:06pm
- Stu2
  
  NSW is a more useful comparison as they have vax levels slightly higher than we do.
  
  They peaked at around 50,000 tested Omicron cases a day.
  
  In reality the numbers were far higher as they pulled back the qualification for testing, and the test positivity rates were over 50% at times. If test positivity rates are over 5% then you are missing cases.
  
  The more important figures are the hospitals – they seem to have leveled off at 2700 beds and just under 200 in ICU. Their popn is 8.1 million so if their numbers translated to NZ, we would be stretched.
  
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  January 23, 2022 7:32pm
Gravelroad

Have been told by the parents that our 7 year old grandchild will have to wear a mask in the classroom when school goes back.
Do the teachers union and the people sitting in offices in Wellington (if they still do) have any idea what little kids are actually like in a classroom?
The teacher will spend more time managing mask wearing chaos than they will getting them to learn anything.
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January 23, 2022 4:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Students from Year 4 to Year 13 have to be masked indoors at school under Red traffic light.
  
  Most Year 4 pupils would be 8-9 years old
  
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  January 23, 2022 5:56pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    This one is a brainy dude in a year above his age group.
    Won’t like the mask though.
    
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    January 23, 2022 7:06pm
    - MCōs
      
      Since when did the kid take over the running of his school?
      
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      January 23, 2022 8:27pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Gravelroad – It’s early days in the training and indoctrination of our next generation. Six months or so, Brenda will have them all obedient and performing like seals as per her marxist plan.
  Let’s go Brenda.
  
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  January 24, 2022 7:53am
Fletch

Classic. Matt Walsh goes on Dr Phil, and asks a couple of non-binary guests what a “woman” is? After all, they say “trans-women are real women” so they must have an idea of what a real woman is if they are comparing trans people to one. Turns out they don’t really know and can’t answer the question. Or, at least, don’t want to.

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1483919335236198404

If I am comparing another fruit to an apple, then at least I have to know what an apple is, otherwise my comparison means nothing.
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January 23, 2022 4:57pm
Maggie Pie

Just back from NW with a couple of ‘Wicked Sister’ Brulee’s for dessert.
No sign of any panic buying, no queues, all shelves are well stocked.
Although that’s the beauty of Remmers….residents always treat Red lights as Orange anyway.
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January 23, 2022 5:14pm
Brian McDonald

First of all the comments about Seymour earlier, good on him for fronting up for his constituents.

Secondly, this link, note from 2.45 minutes Luxon says there are 2 things which are priority re Covid. He mentions 1) the vulnerable 2) getting defences in place RATS 2) again, be very much focused, then says finally (being the 3rd point, or 4 (if you are actually counting, which he plainly isn’t) he says finally: establishing protocols.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-nationals-chris-luxon-says-government-dozed-in-summer-as-omicron-set-its-sights-on-nz/BOWHYWB5FG56WZDWT4MSUKLEBI/
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January 23, 2022 5:42pm
lifesgood

The plane with a trailer just flew over. I couldn’t read it but what’s the betting it’s another anti Jacinda one.
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January 23, 2022 6:53pm
Chuck Bird

Another example of the governments kindness.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Katikati man with motor neurone disease in MIQ struggle

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-katikati-man-with-motor-neurone-disease-in-miq-struggle/BT542YPVGCFKLD2X3VLEVLZS6M/
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