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The British Medical Journal – one of the world’s oldest general medical journals – calls for the full and immediate release of all data related to COVID vaccines and treatments.

The BMJ is a weekly peer-reviewed medical trade journal, published by the trade union the British Medical Association. The BMJ has editorial freedom from the BMA.

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102
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January 21, 2022 8:04am
- Scott
  
  Nigel Farage yesterday read out the official figures from the British Dept of Stats about how many people in the UK have died from covid with no other underlying conditions? The answer – 17,000. Now the total number of covid deaths is supposed to be 153,000. Therefore only a fraction of covid deaths did not have any other underlying conditions??
  
  It’s also worth noting that in Great Britain about 700,000 people die each year from all causes.
  
  So how many people died from covid or with covid? Given the British government has locked down the people off and on for two years, taken away all their freedoms and spent hundreds of billions of pounds, was it all worth it?
  
  Amd the average age of covid deaths was 82.5. Which is past the life expectancy of the average person.
  
  Think about NZ. We’ve had 50 people die of covid. On average 93 people die each day in NZ.
  Has it all been worth it? Isn’t it time we got our lives back?
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U90eDxJV_9k
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:24am
  - John Pakes
    
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    I have a bad heart. If I die of Covid I will have died of Covid but I will still have had a bad heart. Do not blame my underlying condition, blame Covid.
    Farage was, and still is, an idiot.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:00am
    - Cinematic
      
      Your bad heart significantly reduces the cost to society of your death. You don’t lock up productive healthy people or growing healthy young people to protect the unhealthy. It makes no sense, economic or social.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:15am
    - RightNow
      
      Agreed John, if you die of covid you die of covid.
      However, if you die from heart failure while you also have covid then you die with covid.
      So simple even an idiot could understand.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:18am
    - cmm
      
      Not quite.
      
      Here’s what it is more like:
      Let’s say you have a heart condition that takes you 90% of the way to the threshold of death. Then you get CV19. That gives you the extra 10% and pushes you over the edge.
      
      Was it really CV19 that killed you or was it 10% CV19 and 90% the heart condition?
      
      For many people, such as my double-jabbed mother who died in August last year, CV19 just time shifted her death by a few weeks.
      
      She was 85, riddled with cancer and had a serious heart condition. Having been obese her whole life she was just skin and bones and on her last legs. With only likely 3 or so of life left at a maximum, she got CV19 in both lungs and died a bit sooner.
      
      She got counted as a CV19 death. Crazy.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:19am
      - RoboRob
        
        I agree with your point, re your mother. It is the same as someone being run over by a truck being counted as a covid death becuase they also had covid at the time.
        
        However as I mention in a post below, if you have lung issues that are not life threatening and you catch covid and die, in my view it was covid that killed you not the lung condition.
        
        But as we see from those two examples, trying to classify the ’cause’ of death is very difficult and a personal judgement issue, which is why the medical professionals just count everything as a covid death. This does not help anyone when it comes to trying to determine how dangerous covid really is.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:03am
      - cmm
        
        Roborob:
        
        What does “life threatening” really mean? If you have a non-life-thretening lung condition, then your lungs do not function properly but it won’t outright kill you, but it does still increase your odds of dying if something else comes along.
        
        You could really say the same of CV19 too – it isn’t really life threatening if you don’t have comorbidities.
        
        Since you needed both the lung condition AND CV19 to die, then it would be more realistic to count that case as 50% lung condition, 50% CV19 or whatever.
        
        Likewise obesity, asthma, etc etc.
        
        Very few people die directly from AIDS. Most die when they get pneumonia etc and their bodies have been degraded to the point that they can’t fight off the pneumonia.
        
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        January 21, 2022 12:23pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Sorry for your loss, cmm. None of the issues you mention lessens the blow.
        
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        January 21, 2022 4:12pm
    - Yabster
      
      [don’t abuse others, deleted – Mod] underlying conditions, like a bad heart, obesity etc -contribute to death whether you have covid or say the flu- funny that, those conditions also generally correspond with the elderly- hence the average age being so high.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:25am
      - surfing
        
        Yet 15 people share the same misconception.
        
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        January 21, 2022 2:16pm
    - Jim
      
      [deleted, misleading information – Mod]
      
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      January 21, 2022 12:55pm
  - MCōs
    
    How many people die non accidental deaths without some other underlying condition?
    For example how many diabetic people die from renal failure? How many diabetic people die from covid-19?
    People say obesity is bad news if you catch covid-19. Obese people can still live to an advanced age, but if you catch covid & die what did you die from?
    Everybody dies of something.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:10am
    - kowtow
      
      I see the Irish Times , 11 Nov 2021 ,reports that , among others , the oldest person to die in the Republic “from” Covid 19 was aged ……….105.
      
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      January 21, 2022 10:17am
    - Zero Kindness
      
      “People say obesity is bad news if you catch covid-19”
      
      So would you support a BMI pass to prevent the obese from entering pubs, cafes and restaurants to protect our hospitals from becoming overrun?
      I certainly would not discriminate against the obese, just like I would not discriminate against any other group in NZ.
      
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      January 21, 2022 10:21am
      - Clownworld
        
        There are only 2 kinds of people left in NZ.
        
        Those that support discrimination directly or indirectly and those discriminated against for a personal choice.
        
        Where is the kindness from the majority of NZ?
        
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        January 21, 2022 1:41pm
      - Fisiani2
        
        When NZ goes to RED because Omicron is widespread what is the rationale for MIQ and not allowing fully vaccinated people to come to NZ? They pose no increased risk! Omicron is a game changer. MIQ should be gone by next week.
        
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        January 21, 2022 4:59pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s relatively simple. A medical person can correct me if I have the details wrong. On the death certificate, there may be 3 or 4 things listed. There will be the cause of death. This will be certain. Heart failure for example. Then there will be contributing factors, they will be in order of how much they contributed to the actual cause of death. But if they have covid, it will be totally irrelevant whether it contributed to their death or not. They will be listed as a covid death.
      This isn’t just idiotic, it is criminal and it is a deliberate act to support a collapsing narrative.
      
      The same thing is going to happen shortly with omicron “cases”. Anyone who doesn’t understand this after 2 years of bullshit is being obtuse, willfully ignoring what is front of their nose. They are enabling this clown show.
      
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      January 21, 2022 11:39am
    - Jim
      
      It’s not just when you die, it’s how well you live (quality of independence and mobility) before you die. It’s a sad reality that most obese people spend the final years of their lives immobile and being nursed.
      
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      January 21, 2022 12:59pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Just about everyone who dies, at least if they are older (plus 75) has multiple conditions. Very few of us are fine, then are just struck down by a heart attack or similar.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It would be interesting to have full details about the 17,000 you refer to. Like how old were they. Were they shot, hit by a bus, fell off a cliff. No, I’m not joking. We know the statistics are contrived and nonsensical. Death “from any cause” within 28 days of a positive (very unreliable) PCR test is deemed a covid death.
    If there were full details available I imagine that number would fall even further.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:24am
  - GJM
    
    No, we have at least 1 shot, and 3 tested negative and a couple not tested at all, yet they are still covid deaths?
    It is the Big Lie in action.
    
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    January 21, 2022 2:48pm
- Weetbix3ways
  
  Pfizer wants to trickle it out over 75 years. Does that count?
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:28am
  - Mickey
    
    Pfizer human testing only continued for 3-4 weeks and then it was halted!
    
    Why?
    
    Because they started to see the vaccinated group developing side affects! They then pushed it for EUA with the FDA.
    
    This is why they want 75 years to release all the data that the FDA managed to go though in less than 5 weeks!!
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:14am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  Forget about this one, it never will happen with these incapable clowns, because then some untruth could come to light.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:34am
- Mickey
  
  I would wager good money that they want this data after the CDC released this data.
  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1.full.pdf
  
  There is also data floating around about the 800+k USA deaths. Don’t quote me, but something like 45% of these deaths the people DIED FROM COVID. The remaining 55% DIED WITH COVID.
  
  The narrative is slowly falling apart, cloth masks now do not work anymore, N95 should be used, vaccinated do spread the virus unlike what MSNBC said early last year https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1475493466335551489%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fsocial-media-users-demand-apology-msnbc-rachel-maddow-vaccines
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:36am
  - Mickey
    
    The data at the bottom of Table S4 on pg. 18 is interesting.
    
    It compares the hospitalization rates of unvaxxed vs vaxxed per 1000 people.
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:44am
    - bronny1
      
      So with Omicron, that says to me that double and triple vaxxed are MORE likely to be hospitalised than unvaxxed.
      
      Of course someone will say that it’s because less healthy people self select to get vaxxed. But remember that people who are close to death are not vaxxed so that will be offsetting.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:20am
      - Mickey
        
        Correct, data is data. I have not seen data that points in the other direction, so for now this is the most accurate and up to date data on vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
        
        I do believe the paper represents the comorbidities on the 70k patients.
        
        It may be Table S3.
        
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        January 21, 2022 9:40am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Absolutely correct bronny1.
        
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        January 21, 2022 11:48am
  - emmess
    
    No, take the 11% dying from Covid from the more accurate British data
    In America that makes the number of deaths about 100000, or 50000 per year
    As a comparison, 100000 people died from overdoses last year
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:52am
    - Mickey
      
      Yes, and more children die at the hands of their caregivers than what people have DIED FROM COVID in NZ.
      
      Data coming out of USA now is starting to show that the excess death rate is not FROM COVID, it is a combination of WITH COVID and FROM THE VACCINE!
      
      I know (2) and heard (5) of people in NZ who have developed ‘mystery’ illnesses and shingles after being vaccinated. A healthy 27 year old suddenly developing severe celiac disease, a fit and healthy 35 year old suddenly developing severe arthritis (can barely walk) and then several with shingles. And this is only in our close circle of friends and work colleagues and their families.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:47am
      - bronny1
        
        I know two elderly people both with severe swelling of the lower legs and abdominal discomfort. Started after the jab but can’t possibly be related and they are lined up for the booster. I’d be more worried about what’s happening inside to cause both swelling and regular vomiting /nausea than dying of covid at 85ish.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:24am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        I also now people who have had a bad reaction to the vaccine, the worst a healthy young man who developed heart issues after taking the vaccine. Do not know anybody that has had covid.
        
        Really happy to be one of the filthy infectious unvaccinated selfish scum.
        
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        January 21, 2022 12:33pm
  - cmm
    
    In the CDC data, around 5% of the people who are classified as CV19 deaths have no comorbidities listed.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:20am
  - westernScientest
    
    Have you actually read the paper? particularly this piece of the methods:
    
    We used Cox proportional hazards models to estimate the adjusted hazard ratio (aHR) for each endpoint associated with SGTF, adjusting for all demographic and clinical covariates listed above. We repeated analyses of the symptomatic hospital admission endpoint within subgroups defined by patient age,sex, Charlson comorbidity index, and history of documented SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination, controlling for all other risk factors via covariate adjustment.
    
    And then looked at the hazard ratios they present, and the CIs on them? This is way more useful information that an uncorrected per 1000 incidence.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:12am
  - Jim
    
    Yes the MSM fear narrative that is has been unequivocally pro big pharma (I also mean actively censoring anyone or anything that questions the narrative) .
    Paul Joseph Watson displays the MSM and pro pharma hypocrisy in his latest video. This is a must watch for quadruple vaxed normies who are likely still knitting their own face masks:
    https://youtu.be/RAUOM5V2IYE
    
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    January 21, 2022 1:07pm
    - Jim
      
      Hello to the disapprovers: search almost any global international news as to how the covid narrative is quickly turning soft since Omicron has been confirmed to be a highly transmissible, and yet low virulent strain. The relentless fear narrative won’t stand up anymore.
      Coincidentally Biden’s US vaccine mandates were defeated in the courts, there’s emerging recognition for natural immunity (again), and the UK PM has just announced in the House of Commons: no more lockdowns, no more masks, no more covid passes etc.
      NZ has the benefit of being the last carriage on the covid train and it’s very easy for the legacy media (hello is anyone there?), our government and it’s experts (and even private citizens) to call up ahead and ask what’s on the buffet car menu. Well just in case you’re not paying attention it’s Omnicron everyone, and is a whole lot better than Delta. However it’s indiscriminately infecting people including the vaccinated (negating the very reason for introducing health pass discrimination). If you’re considered truly vulnerable best get vaccinated. Bring it on, it’s the natural endemic way out of this nightmare.
      
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      January 21, 2022 4:37pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Rumors that Parliament Speaker Trevor Mallard has been moonlighting for UberEats in Wainuiomata appear to be correct….

https://twitter.com/SpeakerTrevor/status/1484019985463013377
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January 21, 2022 8:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Careful Maggie, or you’ll join the list of people banned by the Speaker; and it’s a very long list!
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:13am
- pdm
  
  Really MP – I think only the Labour Party would want this despicable man on their books.
  
  Plus the advice he is giving to stock up on food etc if possible is totally contrary to what the Supermarket Association is saying – no panic buying please.
  
  What a cretin Mallard is.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Will the Media Pardy attack him for scare mongering like they’ve attacked Liz Gunn ?
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:20am
    - Bob
      
      Kowtow you are dreaming about a nation with professional investigative journalists.
      This is NZ that we are discussing.
      
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      January 21, 2022 11:43am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I remember that place, it had some decent journalists once. Then it was renamed Aotearoa and it all turned to custard.
        
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        January 21, 2022 5:22pm
  - Caine9
    
    I think you’re being a bit unfair on cretins….
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:12am
  - Nickc2
    
    I think it’s safe to say he won’t be playing Uber Drivers on the day of the greatest wedding in NZs history. He’s Cindy’s kid’s Godfather and he’ll be at the wedding.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:43am
  - Paulus
    
    As a school teacher at Onslow College in Wellington Mallard was often considered as a bully by some pupils there – (male of course).
    
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    January 21, 2022 1:19pm
- surfing
  
  I saw this and thought it was a joke imposter…. to encourage panic buying is highly irresponsible.
  
  It seems Trevor has inside knowledge that omicron is already spreading.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:47am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    To be fair, it’s hardly insider knowledge
    
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    January 21, 2022 6:06pm
- nathie
  
  Didn’t the likes of Siouxie Wiles send tweets or make mention in media articles “attacking” National when one of their MP’s back in 2020 suggested doing something similar?
  
  Looking forward to Ms Wiles, courtesy of MSM articles, also criticising Speaker Mallard in 5, 4, 3, 2 …. oh wait! //
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:48am
- Mobile Michael
  
  He’s blocked me so I can’t see the tweet.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:29am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Give thanks for small mercies
    
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    January 21, 2022 5:23pm
- cjn
  
  How will Trevor Mallard escape from Omicron if it is predicted to lay us all low? Can I really rely on him to deliver my groceries?
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:57am
  - bronny1
    
    He’s prob unvaxxed so will be fine with Omicon!
    
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    January 21, 2022 3:23pm
Chuck Bird

This goes to show a different booster can be beneficial. It appears that this government has allowed a couple of other types of vaccines but discourages the use of them. Parliament should be back on Monday and not 8 Feb.

What are the benefits of mixing and matching COVID-19 booster vaccines?

https://patient.info/news-and-features/what-are-the-benefits-of-mixing-and-matching-covid-19-booster-vaccines
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January 21, 2022 8:07am
- namron
  
  According to Parliaments website and previous statements it opens on Tues 8 Feb
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:14am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    That is what I said. I said it should open this Monday and not 8 Feb.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:02am
    - pdm
      
      Yep – keeps most of the pollies off the streets at least.
      
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      January 21, 2022 12:55pm
- kowtow
  
  Beneficial ?
  
  Who said this ?
  
  “It’s quite clear that Omicron does escape vaccinations.”
  
  Our whole response to the western funded ,lab created kung flu has been based on ineffective injections .
  
  Answer .Dr Blofeld .
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/covid-19-omicron-traffic-light-system-may-need-changing-dr-ashley-bloomfield-says/
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:15am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I just found out the following. It could be of use to anyone who does not like Phizer. I have booked my free appointment with my doctor.
  
  “An AstraZeneca booster is also available at least 4 months after the second dose, but you will need a prescription. You can get a prescription at the vaccinating AstraZeneca clinic or before your appointment with your preferred doctor. It is free to visit the doctor for an AstraZeneca booster prescription.”
  
  https://covid19.govt.nz/covid-19-vaccines/how-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccination/getting-your-booster-dose/#which-vaccine-you-will-be-given
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:08pm
kowtow

One of yesterday’s big int’l news stories was Creepy Joe’s train wreck press conference , in which he green lighted a ‘minor incursion’ of Ukraine .

In our paper of repute , the Whoreald, there is not one mention of Russia in its coverage and furthermore the story claims that was Dozey Joe’s 7 th , when other news sources state it was only his second solo press conference in a year.

As Mr Trump would say “fake news” , with very good reason.
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January 21, 2022 8:07am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Hi Kowtow, Did you see how Tucker Carlson said on Fox today how dumb Biden is picking a fight with Russia over the Ukraine when the biggest problem is China over Taiwan and the South China Sea?
  
  There is no way the US can fight on two fronts.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:06pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Given their current POTUS, state, and morale of their military after Afganastan, America would be lucky if it could fight on one front.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:52pm
Lee C

While Jacinda Ardern doubles down on restrictions, heartbreak, job-losses, business failures and economic ruin, (not to mention the soft civil war she has created between the fearful and the critical), countries worldwide are starting to return to some snse of sanity:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60047438?fbclid=IwAR16S2dUe-M_T3yY2oy70ErKoRY1any4VA4Z1UMA7ZcwzaphyqbjP4DXmas

WHen I first came to New Zealand in teh seventies, there used to be a joke about airline pilots saying ‘We are now entering New Zealand, please put your watches back forty years.”

Heh, at least you could actually enter New Zealand!

Seriously. What is this out-of-control maniac Ardern’s agenda?

Is it really to sacrifice every citizen here and overseas on the altar of her own personal vanity project?

And where is the Opposition?

You had one job, National.

One job.
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January 21, 2022 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  The Great White Hope is doing lingo lessons , so don’t hold your breath.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:16am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Luxon saying he would like to continue learning Te Reo when he has time, sure has got people wound up.
    
    It amazes me how one thing in a whole interview gets picked up out of context and twisted, whether by the left or right. That chipping away is what brought down Collins.
    
    I for one want more focus on strategy this year, not the petty.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:23am
    - kowtow
      
      No , I really want the Nats to be the Nats , not Labour Lite.
      
      The context of the lingo lessons was he wants to be “more inclusive and connect to ordinary people”
      
      In fairness how the hell does virtue signalling lingo lessons do that .
      
      Furthermore and much more tellingly it’s part of his “desire to drive a culture change in the Nat party”. So learning maori is a sign of a desire to do exactly what to the Nat party .
      
      We all know that “inclusiveness” is simply code for “woke”.
      
      Finally the best the article could do an 3 waters was he’s not happy with “creeping centralisation” , is that code for changing the constitution ?
      
      If he really wants to rebuild trust and win back voters why not some straight talk ?
      
      The country’s future is at stake .
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:46am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Just about every senior political leader needs some knowledge of te reo. Every Prime Minister for the last 30 years has been able to give a Whaikorero. In the case of Bill English, quite an extensive one.
        
        Obviously Chris Luxon understands that this is part of the role of being PM.
        
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        January 21, 2022 11:06am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Even when Nat MPs speak Te Reo fluently, and Cindy can’t even explain the articles of the treaty in comparison – Maori as a general rule will still not vote for the National party.
        
        Nothing wrong with learning a language, it’s a good thing.
        But far too much effort is put into winning over Maori – who seem (if we listen to the voices in the media) entirely focused on outcomes for Maori alone along with pushing a toxic narrative.
        More effort needs to be put into the collective outcomes, society as a whole.
        I have to wonder if there isn’t more benefit in politically courting Indians and east asians, who value economic and educational and aspirational matters; a much better line of thinking to foster than the often bizzare statements that come out as illustrations of ‘Maori way of thinking’.
        
        In this sense, I think all things Maori (including Te Reo) have become tainted as part of a general political pushback and distaste around the race-based lenses on all outcomes and drives towards an ethno-state serving 1 part of society.
        
        The main issue with Maori politics of the current era is our media/politicians/academics walking on eggshells around hard topics, celebrating the Emperors new clothes, and this Treaty ‘partnership’ myth, which is:
        “What’s Mine is Mine, and what’s yours is Ours”.
        
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        January 21, 2022 11:38am
      - kowtow
        
        Wayne
        
        Wot’s the point . How does that do anything for the price of petrol ,housing , productivity ,education , employment ,crime , queues in the health system etc
        
        You know , the things that really matter to all of us .
        
        Sorry ,but that’s just more empty,shallow , paternalist , racist , woke , virtue signalling .
        
        ps How much good did it do Bill ?
        
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        January 21, 2022 11:55am
      - pdm
        
        Wayne Mapp – Te Reo is a fad that seems to be all the rage at present. Therefore it is up to individual politicions if they want to pursue it.
        
        No harm done if they do not.
        
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        January 21, 2022 12:58pm
    - Nickc2
      
      There are far more important issues at stake here than learning a Mumbo Jumbo made-up Language that has little if any use inside or outside NZ who Luxon plans on leading.
      IMO, if those who want to identify as Maori want their own language, that’s fine by me but don’t expect me to pay for it, let alone pay homage to it.
      
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      January 21, 2022 11:30am
    - Squeek
      
      It was pleasing to hear one of the part time newsreaders on Red Radio this morning get through the entire weather forecast in English. Cities I hadn’t heard of for a while actually had weather for once.
      
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      January 21, 2022 2:07pm
  - rouppe
    
    I’ve considered doing “lingo lessons”.
    
    Not because I want to identify with anyone.
    
    But to take the power away from those that would use that lingo as a weapon in the workplace.
    
    But now I’m so close to retirement I don’t care anymore
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:26am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Encouraging the speaking of it hardly reduces its power – quite the opposite I’d suggest.
      
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      January 21, 2022 5:26pm
- artemisia
  
  Looks like Opposition parties are picking their fights and their timing. When such a large chunk of the population is fearful what is the point of looking negative. Better to quietly prepare strategy and policy for now.
  
  National has a lot of experience and knowledge. ACT much less so but starting to see public statements from other MPs and that suggests work behind the scenes.
  
  Most likely National and ACT are talking.
  
  Mr Luxon is collecting flak for being soft and woke. It is early in the electoral cycle, and his political career. There is the possibility he and National know exactly what they are doing and why.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:24am
  - Clownworld
    
    Playing politics. Not servants of the people. Get rid of them all, new batch of politicans please.
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:52am
    - DeepBlue
      
      From where? Who are these people that are going to throw away any privacy in their life and greater business opportunities to become lowly MPs attacked each and every day?
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:26am
      - Taieri
        
        Who are these people that are going to throw away any privacy in their life and greater business opportunities to become lowly MPs attacked each and every day?
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        The vast majority of “lowly MPs” in the current Parliament retain their privacy as they are completely unknown to the Great Unwashed who put them there.
        
        As for missing out on the “greater business opportunities”… I’m struggling to think of any great pre-parliamentary achievements of not only the said “lowly MPs” but of many frontbenchers. From all parties. Even our beloved Prime Minister can’t claim anything remotely outstanding in this regard.
        
        For most of them, sitting at the back of the debating chamber and saying “aye” when instructed to do so will be the biggest highlight of their otherwise unremarkable and miserable lives…
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:15am
      - kowtow
        
        It actually looked like the Nat MP’s were the ones doing the daily attacks on each other and using the Media Pardy to further their infighting , faction fighting , while the country burns.
        
        Don’t blame a few posters here for ‘chipping away” and undermining the party . They shot themselves in the foot and then went to the media pardy to show and tell .
        
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        January 21, 2022 11:06am
      - Clownworld
        
        Simple, have a lot less politicians, all electorate MPs no list ones. Reduce the number of electorates and
        pay them well and hold them accountable.
        
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        January 21, 2022 1:46pm
  - emmess
    
    I doubt it
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:54am
  - Cassandra
    
    The possibility Luxon and National know what they’re doing? More likely that there’s a debate (argument?) between the right and left wings of the party. Luxon had the field to himself while Cindy took her extended holiday. Luxon should have been all over the media. Several issues on which to have a real go incl 3 Waters.
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Luxon should have been all over the media.
      
      Perhaps you were on holiday and didn’t notice… but the Media was on holiday (and still is).
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:31am
      - MCōs
        
        So was Chris Luxon.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:47am
      - cmm
        
        $55M of paid time off.
        
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        January 21, 2022 12:30pm
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Cassandra from what I hear National would love some air time but the media have just switched off. Maybe when National comes to power again they return the favour.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:59am
      - MCōs
        
        Everybody knows this is the time of year when most people take a bit of time off work including reporters.
        If he’s got something worthwhile to say next week will be a good time.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:52am
      - Bob
        
        No ‘ media of social importance Fund will be available, the country will be bankrupt, so the horrid and similar will die out.
        
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        January 21, 2022 11:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Luxon wouldn’t have been welcomed over the Xmas hols. We all need a break. There’s omicron to deal with after the wedding.
      
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      January 21, 2022 10:06am
      - The Boss
        
        Since you have mentioned the wedding, the ferald has an article speculating about the dress that the prime muppet will choose to wear. Now this is a matter of Prime Importance.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:14am
      - lifesgood
        
        Bring back Hosking!
        
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        January 21, 2022 12:18pm
    - curry4me
      
      Cassandra: He could have taken a leaf from the late Jim Anderton’s book. When he launched the Alliance, he flooded all media outlets with press releases 24/7/365. It worked.
      
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      January 21, 2022 1:44pm
    - Paulus
      
      The media all went on holiday asthey were told over the holidays.
      Look who pays them.
      
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      January 21, 2022 1:54pm
      - Jack5
        
        Many in the media, PRs, lobbyists, and politicians holiday in the hot season like British civil servants in India in the days of the Raj.
        
        This creates an opportunity. Skeleton crews left at work scramble to find news. Drownings and road deaths get more publicity than usual.
        
        There’s the chance for politicians and rabble rousers.
        
        In the words of General Patton in the first of his “blood and guts” speeches to his armoured division: “Hit em where they ain’t.”
        
        Apart from lack of rival headlines, the media will find it harder to get a response from those under attack, and contacted with difficulty at the beach or the lake.
        
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        January 21, 2022 3:15pm
  - Simon
    
    “There is the possibility he and National know exactly what they are doing and why.”
    
    lol. Luxon is an utter self serving clown. Thinks he can problem solve NZ’s issues like he is some sort of hypo Steve Jobs. Since becoming leader he has been very careful to signal to Labo & MSM he is just another National party jobsworth. Its a cosy club and National & Labo play the game.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:07am
  - pdm
    
    I thought Luxon was ok with Tim Dower this morning.National has another leader who is more articulate and answers questions better than Ardern.
    
    Labour running for cover? Ardern, Roertson and Hipkins were all not available to talk to Dower – arrogant, stupid or both?
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:18am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      pdm@9:18
      Eventide Home for the Bewildered probably has residents who are more articulate and answer questions better than Ardern.
      
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      January 21, 2022 12:18pm
  - Bob
    
    National know exactly what they are doing and why…
    which is a lot more than can be said for the children presently warming the Treasury benches.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:45am
    - curry4me
      
      Bob: I agree they’re being Labour Lite because they don’t have a backbone. And ACT have become junior members of the branch Covidians.
      
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      January 21, 2022 1:48pm
- Fishing in the dark
  
  The National Party is virtually blowing into the same horn as the corrupt government, there is virtually no difference.
  JA she is full of BS and lies. We might as well to adopt the North Korean Flag.
  All what helps is a civil unrest.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:38am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  The National Party is virtually blowing into the same horn as the corrupt government, there is virtually no difference.
  JA she is full of BS and lies. We might as well to adopt the North Korean Flag.
  Just think a bit, the saving life exercise is very expensive and on the other side of ledger more people die of suicide, life threatening illness due to cancelling of treatment in the hospital, cancelled surgeries etc.
  So much about kindness.
  As a NZ citizen being abroad, now you even can’t get home as MIQ is closed, worse than in the dark ages of communism.
  We were told that if the vaccination level is 90% plus freedom and life should be back as normal, what’s happen, further restrictions, all is a big lie and a serious scam.
  The same is with the vaccination, this vaccination has nothing to do with a true vaccination, it is only a very time limited illness treatment and nothing else.
  They might inject people with sugar water or drugs then at least you know where the headaches originates from.
  All what helps is a civil unrest.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:03am
- Bob
  
  Rest assured, Ardern has probably put your watches back about 60 years! …permanently.
  
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  January 21, 2022 11:40am
Truman lodge

2 weeks from now it’s level 4 lockdown to flatten the curve. Vaxinda loves locking us down. We are getting softened up first. The fact Northland moved to orange was a token gesture, considering we will all be at red next week.

Be Kind!!!
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January 21, 2022 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  Why criticise lock downs when you support locking citizens out ?
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:25am
  - Truman lodge
    
    Kowtow
    
    Because why should I be locked out of my workplace and be under house arrest. And barred from leaving Auckland with a blockade because of a flu. Screw returning kiwis. Do you think locals should be stripped of their rights.
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:46am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Translation: I want my rights, but bugger the rights of others. You are as bad as the tyrants.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:24am
      - kowtow
        
        yip , these people are ‘enablers’.
        
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        January 21, 2022 9:36am
    - Cinematic
      
      That’s some faulty logic right there.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:46am
      - Truman lodge
        
        Not really. If covid outbreaks keep locking me up why import it then. That’s faulty logic.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:38am
      - kowtow
        
        TL
        
        Covid outbreaks don’t lock you up , the regime does that .
        
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        January 21, 2022 2:07pm
      - Cinematic
        
        Why import it then?
        
        Say what? NZ is a part of the world. There is no ‘don’t import covid choice’.
        
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        January 21, 2022 3:02pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      My wife has to travel overseas next week for surgery to prevent her going blind in one eye, and to stabilise the other eye from deterioration.
      We are middle aged, with a son in school.
      Public health system will not even book an appointment for her retinal detachment.
      Private is very expensive, and although I was willing for us to sell and borrow to pay for this, my wife has daul-Taiwan citizenship.
      So she is leaving to get what is very potentially FREE surgery from one of the best hospitals in Asia for this type of work.
      NZ health system is utterly stuffed, even before any ICU strain arrives. National capacity was already 2/3 full, and treatments and surgerys and diagnosis are not taking place as they should.
      NZ is in a terrible place due to mismanagement and lack of resource.
      So we are effectively forced to send a family member overseas.
      I acknowledge that my son and I may not see her for 6 months or a year. Who knows.
      So to your comment:
      FJA & FTL.
      
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      January 21, 2022 11:47am
      - Clownworld
        
        All the very best to your wife, your family and yourself.
        NZ needs to hang its head in shame.
        What happened to kindness?
        
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        January 21, 2022 1:51pm
      - kowtow
        
        FSD
        
        For what it’s worth from me .
        
        Good luck to your wife , I hope all goes well and all the best .
        
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        January 21, 2022 2:25pm
      - Mummy
        
        Goodness that’s awful. But here’s my story. Just before Christmas hubby mentioned that he was seeing the occasional flash in his left peripheral vision. Went to Specsavers at 10am on a Saturday morning and within the hour we were on our way to ED where the eye doctor was waiting for us. She escorted us through a deserted hospital, swiping through locked doors, to the eye clinic where she switched on the lights and proceeded to fix his torn retina with a laser. We were home by 3pm. Five hour round trip from Specsavers Kapiti to Wellington hospital and home again. Eye all fixed. Maybe your wife’s case is different but maybe it depends on which DHB you live in.
        
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        January 21, 2022 3:36pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      You want to live in a smug hermit kingdom then.
      
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      January 21, 2022 5:46pm
- yossarian
  
  Well in two weeks I have planned my first time off since the disaster of a holiday got taken off me in August.
  
  So that sounds about right…
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:26am
- pdm
  
  Truman do you think this might happen next week:
  
  Tarawhiti to Green for a wedding
  Rest of New Zealand to Red.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:33am
  - Truman lodge
    
    Pdm
    
    Tarawhiti has no cases of delta so it makes sense to go to green. Oh is there a wedding there?
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:48am
  - bronny1
    
    You can still have a big wedding in Red. As long as it’s vax passed.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:25am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There’s a limit to 100 people under Red
      
      and if outside they have to be social-distanced.
      https://covid19.govt.nz/traffic-lights/life-at-red/gatherings-and-visits-at-red/public-and-private-gatherings-at-red/
      
      Now if you consider how many staff are required at a wedding function, let alone guards and security detail (if it is the PM’s wedding at Young Nick’s Station)… then I’m guessing that Tairawhiti won’t be going to Red before February 1st.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:38am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        You’re just being cynical & political
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:01am
      - Zero Kindness
        
        Maggy, staff are not included in the 100 limit.
        The limit includes children, but not staff.
        I expect the security/guards will be considered staff.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:14am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Na..
        
        I’m a good citizen…
        I follow the RULZ….
        and I check them, coz I’d hate to transgress and be labelled a hypocrite.
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:20am
      - bronny1
        
        Do the staff count? I went to a fully by the rules private function at a cafe last weekend. 50 tickets sold (max if not using vax pass) but there were also waiters, kitchen staff, musicians.
        
        Without reading the rules (because rules!) I assume they sit outside the number?
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:31am
    - namron
      
      Imagine the wedding photos with the bride and groom wearing masks if we do get moved back to red!!!
      
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      January 21, 2022 11:13am
- G152
  
  Watch it go ‘green’ before the election
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Appears to me that govt spin army (including media) is today starting to pump our oblique messaging on opening for Omicron.
  
  The data is in, it’s going to kill a couple of hundred mostly near-death kiwis but will be over in about a month. Lets do this Labour!
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:50am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  Somehow we have to get rid of this corrupt government
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:58am
krazykiwi

Fauci confirms it’s a cult, not science. El Gato Malo analyses Fauci’s grinning admission here.
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January 21, 2022 8:10am
Tony Stuart

Remember a couple of years ago when Labour supporters slagged off National MP David Bennett when he suggested people stock up for a lockdown?

I wonder if they’ll apply the same standard to Speaker Trevor Mallard for a social media comment last night that “Omicron is coming and when it arrives it will spread quickly. If you can afford it it will pay to stock up a bit.”

https://twitter.com/truereckons1/status/1484057827299962880

Whilst I have little time for Mallard, I don’t see anything wrong with encouraging people to be prepared. I’m sure I won’t be the only person buying a few extra bits and pieces at the supermarket later today. But surely, if you’re going to criticise a National MP, then you have to apply the same standard to your own team.

Or is it indeed true; that it’s OK when the Left does it?
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January 21, 2022 8:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  David Bennett said folks should stock up on food..
  
  Infectious disease expert Siouxsie Wiles said Bennett’s comments were “immensely irresponsible”.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/411048/coronavirus-national-mp-criticised-for-encouraging-panic-buying
  
  But the reality is… Folks need to be prepared….
  
  I’ll be stocking up on stuff (AGAIN)…and I’m putting in veges for an Autumn- Winter garden.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:25am
  - artemisia
    
    Siouxsie will be along today to publicly tell off the Speaker for being ‘immensely irresponsible’.
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:32am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Pass me a Tui 😀
      
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      January 21, 2022 10:05am
  - pdm
    
    Hey Siouxsie Wiles:
    
    Riding a bike 5ks to sunbathe and swim with a friend during a leevel 4 lock down is even more irresponsible.
    
    Siouxsie – you are hypocrite of the year for 2021.
    
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    January 21, 2022 8:37am
    - cmm
      
      I assume it’s an electric bike.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:28am
      - alex Masterley
        
        Correct.
        
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        January 21, 2022 9:33am
      - bronny1
        
        [deleted, personal attack – Mod]
        
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        January 21, 2022 10:32am
    - kowtow
      
      I reckon that award could go to any of a number of the authoritarians who either excused her jaunt or failed to investigate .
      
      Blofeld near the top for declaring “swimming isn’t swimming’.
      
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      January 21, 2022 9:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    On our little quarter acre we’re looking to supplement our orchard and veges with live proteins. Chooks, rabbits or guinea pigs? Broad beans and legumes are too vegan.
    I am seeing the Great Reset scenario being played out.
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think it is fashionable now to go for insect protein….
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockroach_farming#:~:text=Cockroach%20farming%20is%20a%20specific,home%20to%20millions%20of%20insects.
      
      I can send you some Gizzy cockroaches….
      https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/gisborne-cockroach/
      
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      January 21, 2022 10:30am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I don’t want to do a Gates. My wife’s the gardener and I once worked on a pig farm and in a broiler raising house.
        Small animals are easy to cook.
        
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        January 21, 2022 2:18pm
    - mara
      
      Kev, I presume your rabbits and guinea pigs are in cages. Please do tell us your preferred way of killing them. I’m told rats are a good protein source and breed prolifically. Even the baby ones are great whole in a stir-fry though best to remove the tails first cos they are hard to tenderise in 5 minutes.
      Snails, on the other hand ………..
      
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      January 21, 2022 11:02am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I don’t know yet how I would kill them. I suspect electrocution would work as it’s used on poultry. It should be easy to implement and painless for the animals. Another possibility is a shock to induce “out of it” then a quick knife.
        
        Not yet a dinner time conversation topic.
        
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        January 21, 2022 2:27pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes Kev, I believe the Plotters realise the time is up and their worldwide Covid and Reset schemes will be overrun by the USA vs Russia debacle over Ukraine.
      I think Biden will need all the troops he can get, including those he sacked for not being vaccinated.
      Probably more interesting, is who will the Europeans blame when their supply of Russian Gas is cut off in the midst of a freezing cold winter? Will they be praying for more Man-Made Global Warming?
      BTW, how long’s it going to take the US to re-open all those Oil and Gas fields Biden shut down and get those products flowing and stockpiled.
      
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      January 21, 2022 11:09am
  - Taieri
    
    Infectious disease expert Siouxsie Wiles
    —————-
    
    A polymath, no less…
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:21am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If only but not so. I’m not sure that she’s even a Monomath
      
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      January 21, 2022 6:17pm
  - backster
    
    Does it affect the bowells, how much toilet paper will I need?
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:54am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Bennett was quoted as saying “So they should be, you should be out there panic buying”.
    
    So the sentiment might be the same/similar, but I must say that Bennett’s words were poorly chosen for a public figure on radio.
    
    Fair’s fair, around calling that out as kinda dumb……but good old Ms Wiles of course gets to comment on her disapproval and get it printed in the media prominently.
    I will be glad when we no longer hear of either Wiles or Cov19 via our news. Well and truly sick of both of them.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:56am
- dime
  
  Dime did a massive stock up last week.
  
  Not an asshole buying 400 rolls of toilet paper. But a giant shop that will feed us for a month.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:50am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    All that food will require proportionate toilet paper. Just saying.
    
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    January 21, 2022 6:18pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Yes, I do remember that.
  You will be whistling if you expect Mallard to be challenged.
  Given the likely-hood of “code red” and it’s potential impact on the supply chain we are restocking our supply cupboards as well.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:32am
Simon

One of the Chinese PhD lab techies from the US govt financed Wuhan Corona Lab were the virus escaped from was on US$10.95 per hour. Globalism at its very finest.
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January 21, 2022 8:12am
- DeepBlue
  
  That’s about what our PhD candidates earn.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:29am
Maggie Pie

And prize for ‘TWEET OF THE DAY’ goes to…..

THE WHALE ! 😛

https://twitter.com/kaiviti_cam/status/14640986206351233717

(OMG – wot about the replies?)
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January 21, 2022 8:16am
BarryB

Actual Covid deaths.

A UK Doctor posts a daily report on the state of Covid in the UK. He uses only official information from government sources and always gives the references to various publications he is quoting.
Todays video is :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
Here he is giving the actual deaths from covid as reported from the UK Office of National Statistics – information as a result of a freedom of information Act request. (Ive rounded the numbers)
The period concerned is from March 2020 to Jan 7, 2022.

1. reported excess deaths over the previous 5 year average – 127,000
2. Death within 28 days of a positive covid test – 152,000
3. When covid is on the death certificate as a contributing factor – 174,000
4. Deaths from covid with no underlying causes – 17,371
Yes – its not a typo……….17,371

Further the average age of the covid only deaths is something like 82yrs – higher than the average life span in the UK……….
This information has been totally ignored by the media.

Also a specialist in cancer estimates the excess deaths from delayed or no cancer investigations and treatments is around 50,000.

The message is obvious – if you’ve spent your life smoking and eating McDonalds etc., and not exercising (either by physical work or actual exercising) and eating processed foods (eg most breakfast cereals are up to 20% sugar or things like muesli bars and pizza and so on) – then something like influenza (normally 300 deaths a year in NZ) or pneumonia or Covid or any of the other respiratory infection will likely be the last thing that you experience in your life.
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January 21, 2022 8:17am
- Mickey
  
  Same kind of data was released in the USA.
  
  Also many of the people who died died from issues after receiving the jabs!
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:47am
- kevn
  
  @BarryB…. I suspect numbers in NZ would marry up. Untreated sickness deaths more or less unreported here.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:24am
- alex Masterley
  
  I keep an eye on what the good doctor has to say. It is an interesting listen.
  Note he is a A&E retired nurse and nurse educator whose PHD is in nursing education. So while he comments with a medical lense he has a different perspective to a medical practitioner.
  I find it refreshing that he provides references to support what he says.
  Who ever edits his wikipaedia page doesnt like him though.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:39am
- RoboRob
  
  I agree that the death toll from Covid may be overstated. That said the people that die from aids with no underlying cause is zero. Doesn’t mean that Aids didn’t cause a persons death.
  
  Many people have lung / breathing issues that they live with quite happily, my father for one. If they get covid and die, did not covid cause their death even though they had an underlying condition?
  
  I suspect the deaths caused by covid in the figures above are much more than 17,371 but definitely also less than 174,000. The data around this stuff is very difficult to analyse.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:57am
  - Cinematic
    
    Regardless of how it is spun it’s clear that with an average age of death of 82.5 years locking all of society down was utter madness.
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:59am
    - Batman
      
      Might be because most of the world locked down that the average was that high because it only got to the old and weak of that age… Not hard to figure that one out.
      
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      January 21, 2022 1:24pm
      - Cinematic
        
        Slam dunk there Batman.
        
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        January 21, 2022 3:08pm
      - bronny1
        
        Is there like a directory of old people so the covid knew where to go hunting for victims.
        
        Read your comment Batty, ridiculous!
        
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        January 21, 2022 3:32pm
- Ra Henare
  
  HE IS NOT A DOCTOR!!!!
  
  he has a Doctorate in Nurse training!!!
  
  Yes he puts out some interesting, albeit rambling stuff.
  
  But please dont ascribe him a medical title.
  
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  January 21, 2022 3:48pm
Matt Long

https://youtu.be/9UHvwWWcjYw Dr John Campbell, deaths attributed solely to COVID in the UK not 170k but only a tenth of that and the average age of death, 82, is higher than the normal average life expectancy.
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January 21, 2022 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Extraordinary ,isn’t it .
  
  The west’s greatest minds and leaders have destroyed our economies and done huge harm to our societies , values and way of life because they didn’t realise that ………old people die .
  
  Unforgiveable . And where’s the Fourth Estate , holding power to account .
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:29am
  - Cinematic
    
    The msm were complicit. They fuelled the fire to advance the socialist agenda the little twerps in newsrooms all over the world now subscribe to.
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:16am
- westernScientest
  
  link to the FOI request he is talking about:
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses?s=09
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:42am
- Mickey
  
  People do not realize that hospitals received grants for each COVID death!!!
  
  So the more deaths that said COVID on the death certificate the more money they received from the govt.
  
  FOLLOW THE MONEY!!
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:58am
  - Sacha
    
    I think that the grants applied to some hospitals in the USA – not universally.
    
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    January 21, 2022 12:24pm
Matt Long

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/we-failed-danish-newspaper-apologises-for-not-questioning-government-covid19-numbers/news-story/5f360ab5764cf9bcfb0d8edae7160658?amp
Will NZ’s shameless Government shills apologise for their performance?
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January 21, 2022 8:24am
Simon

Joe Biden openly molests young girls on stage. Everyone pretends not to notice. This is the West’s operating system.
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January 21, 2022 8:32am
Yvette

Is not yesterday’s decision to shift Te Tai Tokerau – Northland – to orange in the Covid-19 traffic light system to add pressure now to force further vaccination with the threat of invading unvaccinated Aucklanders?

Confirmed by the result? –
Māori leaders see Red at Northland’s shift to Orange
Harawira … also called for more Covid-19 vaccination and testing centres, a “powerful” education campaign, more incentives for people to get vaccinated, and “immediate back up” when critical services in Te Tai Tokerau were under pressure.

How calculating or kind is Jacinda?
After so long refusing to give or even set a target for vaccination (it was done for her), is Jacinda now obsessed with 100 percent (Best in the World) and will she ever admit the Traffic Light System was designed solely to achieve vaccination – with its off-set of vaccinated privilege against restrictions for the unvaccinated?

Two of New Zealand’s most prominent Covid-19 experts have warned that the country is unprepared to prevent the health system from being overloaded by an Omicron outbreak, with likely fatal consequences. Otago University’s Dr Nick Wilson and Dr Michael Baker also said it was only a “matter of weeks” [from January 10] before the highly transmissible variant seeped into the community due to border failures. 
Wilson panned the country’s traffic light system – which replaced the more stringent alert-level system last year – as “not fit for purpose” with Omicron due to its tolerance for relatively significant social interaction for vaccinated people when Covid is in the community. Baker agreed, calling for the government to rapidly reinstate an amended version of the alert level system. “The traffic light system won’t help us very much because it was never designed to dampen down transmission, it was only designed to nudge people towards vaccination,” Baker said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-for-omicron-outbreak-expected-in-matter-of-weeks-experts-warn

Bloomfield also now says alterations are required to the System.

So if the Traffic Light System is not designed for Omicron, what replaces it.
That is basically what Seymour and Luxon are asking …
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January 21, 2022 8:38am
- RoboRob
  
  I don’t know about Wilson but while Baker may be a good virologist he is a moron when it comes to planning and real life events. Every suggestion or forecast he has made has turned out to be ridiculous. Whether it be 80k deaths or his insistence that it is possible for NZ to avoid community spread of covid.
  
  That said I find it amusing that the ‘Traffic light system’ that has only been ‘live’ since late December is now regarded as out of date. Really, because as far as I can tell we have never followed the settings anyway. By definition the majority of the country should be in Green, even hotspots like Auckland probably should be Green. The hospital systems are not overwhelmed or even particularly busy.
  
  Now we have Omicron coming / here. A lot of people are going to get it. A lot of people are vaccinated. It is far less dangerous than Delta and hospitalisations are both significantly less common (75% less likely in California) and when they occur significantly shorter on average. So Baker and the PM shit their pants and move the country to red….. because?
  
  My kids get to study from home or go to school masked all day to achieve what? Slow the virus down? Does it need to be slowed IF people aren’t overwhelming the hospitals? Remember we are going red immediately on community spread of Omicron, not when the hospital system gets overwhelmed. The traffic light system says we move the Yellow when they is large community spread of Covid.
  
  If we followed the system we should be on Green now and moving to Yellow once omicron becomes widespread.
  
  I know the post talks about the traffic light system being an incentive to vaccinate but it is pretty much what countries like the UK have been doing since day one. It has worked for the UK, why can we not do the same.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:51am
  - Taieri
    
    Baker may be a good virologist
    ————
    
    He’s an epidemiologist not a virologist. A big difference…
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Didn’t Cindy say our Provinces would only go to Orange when 90% of their population were in receipt of two Anti-Covid vaccinations?
    Well Cindy, you fucked up again! Northland is nowhere near 90% double Anti-Covid Vaccinated and you said they can go to Covid State Orance. You acted like an ill-disciplined mum caving into a problem child.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:55am
    - Batman
      
      Putting aside your childish reaction, part of the reasoning was that the opened Auckland border led to less spread than was anticipated, so the risk to Northland was lower than when that was put in place.
      
      Also I think they had to recognise that Northland had suffered enough and the rate was climbing slowly but steadily so may as well just go for it now.
      
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      January 21, 2022 1:28pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Auckland border led to less spread than was anticipated
        What a load of crap you espouse Batman!
        If a lesser transmission ratio was included in the plan to move individual Provinces to Covid State Orange, that was never mentioned in the criteria announced to the public.
        I will apologise if you can produce evidence that states otherwise.
        
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        January 21, 2022 2:11pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Baker isn’t a virologist. He’s a doctor who has never practiced. Epidemiology is his area of interest. He LOVES the idea of a pandemic. His main qualification is Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery degrees.
    
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    January 21, 2022 12:02pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Thanks for that. He has another claim to fame. Before Covid he pubished a book on pandemics that recommended total isolation as the best option for island nations.
      
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      January 21, 2022 12:14pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Yup.
        
        https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0178732#sec016
        
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        January 21, 2022 8:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Christopher Luxon handled the RNZ Morning Reporter well this morning…

RATs are going to be the Achille’s heel of NZ’s Omicron planning…and the interviewer tried to trip Luxon up by demanding to know why NZers should have to pay for RATs, when Luxon mentioned that folks needed easy access to test kits and the ability to purchase them from local supermarkets etc.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018827538/national-not-impressed-with-omicron-preparations

The 5 million tests we have in the country will soon be used up by our Emergency/essential workers…and ordinary folks won’t have a show of knowing if they are carrying the virus or just have a seasonal sniffle.
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January 21, 2022 8:41am
- Ehlana
  
  I’d love to ask the reporter: if you don’t think NZers should pay for medical testing done in NZ, which country do you think should pay? Sweden?
  
  You could then explain that we already have a system whereby people with High health needs can get their prescriptions free, so it’ll be easy to cover RAT tests for them. For the elderly (another high risk group), we could make them free for Gold Card holders through the pharmacy. Employers concerned about their particular workplaces can buy them for their staff (as the Government will presumably do for hospital/police/military/teaching staff as required). Other people will buy them as they feel they need them.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:59am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Cindy’s economy runs on kindness credits
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:03am
    - bronny1
      
      ….oh so that’s why we need a digital social credit system!
      
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      January 21, 2022 3:34pm
- DeepBlue
  
  He sounded measured and in control of his message. Much easier on the ear than the PM’s lies and fluff.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:43am
  - lifesgood
    
    He must have done something right on Newstalk this morning, the lefties are frothing at the mouth and projecting bile about his performance on FB and Twitter. Can’t have anyone outshining our beloved Jacinda, can we. sarc/
    And, once again, we have the closet lefties on here moaning and bitching about him. It’s getting tiresome.
    
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    January 21, 2022 12:32pm
- kowtow
  
  RATS are no solution.
  
  The more positive “cases” the more stand downs , the more disruption .
  
  If people are vulnerable ie the very old and frail etc , they should quarantine themselves and keep out of harms way .
  
  The rest of us should just be allowed to get on with life. As we should have from the very beginning of this farce.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:27am
mandk

Another sober and informative post by Dr John Campbell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
(it is based on the information I alluded to yesterday in a comment of mine which was censored because it was perceived to be medically incorrect, but let’s not go there).

I think it is becoming more and more clear that, especially in the age of omicron, the costs of government (not just ours) responses to covid are going to far outweigh the benefits. The costs relate to worse non-covid physical health, mental health, poor educational outcomes, a weakened social fabric and a damaged economy.

We are fortunate in NZ because there has been very little omicron. This means that the government could let it spread and focus instead on reducing all the other covid response costs mentioned above. It is now blindingly obvious that omicron is not anywhere as bad as the fear mongers would have us believe.

However, I doubt very much this will happen. The government is too invested in its fear and control approach, and a large part of the population is cowed and fearful.
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January 21, 2022 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  South Africa seems to be over Omicron…
  All over & done with in 8 weeks.
  
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-south-africa-turning-point/
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:54am
  - Nickc2
    
    That’ll be good news for Cindy. She only has to hide the fact for eight weeks that they have no plan for any kind of Covid. I’m sure she can wing it for that long, wot with the wedding and all.
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:17am
    - Paulus
      
      Isn’t she and her “entourage” and sycophants going off on a world trip in March ?
      Honeymoon as paid for by the NZ Taxpayers of course, we owe it to her for saving us.
      Understand the RNZAF VIP 757s are being readied at Whenuapai.
      
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      January 21, 2022 2:17pm
      - Nickc2
        
        You are probably correct Paulus. That would account for why MIQ Facilities have been shut down for a while in order that she and her entourage don’t have to spend any time in them.
        Is she taking her pet DJs as part of her entourage?
        
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        January 21, 2022 2:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  hush mandk, we need censorship to protect our delicate wee minds from wrongthink. We are not capable of reading and weighing unfiltered information ourselves, we need the consideration of woke 20 something arts grads to assess whether it is sufficiently deferential to govt and tech narratives that are never wrong (even when they are wrong)
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:05am
Ruahine

I believe the ‘seasonal sniffle’ is actually a virus.
Quick. We have to lockdown everyone.
Quick. Rush to the Supermarket.
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January 21, 2022 8:51am
CAKE FACE1

Hot off the press!

Which wedding dress will Cindy say yes to for her big day?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/which-wedding-dress-will-jacinda-ardern-say-yes-to-for-her-big-day/MBANKU6HJUJNZQHYR36R4HPSUQ/

CAKE thought an Angel of Death costume, to celebrate the numbers of deaths delaying Omicron might cause. Scanning the options in the article, it doesn’t seem to be there.

Isn’t it simply fabulous to have a celebrity leader who is more focused on her wedding than governing the country.

It makes the country feel special.

Dictators in African States know that wearing the correct outfit (a military uniform with huge numbers of medals for example), is very important in establishing their authority and brand.

Brand Cindy is a such fun. I can hardly wait.
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January 21, 2022 8:52am
- kevn
  
  @Cake…. Got your merchandise ready? Should be hot sellers. Everyone will want something. I’ve still got my Helen Clark dog chew toy. When they bite it Helen squeaks.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:30am
  - bronny1
    
    My dogs would be smart enough to just destroy it in day one.
    
    Toy would be as long lived as cindys kindness.
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:38am
- alex Masterley
  
  My wife’s comment this morning when she came accros that piece was “Who the fuck cares…”.
  I agree with that sentiment.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:41am
- DeepBlue
  
  I didn’t open it.
  
  I have decided the wedding is not this weekend. Evidence:
  
  1. if you look at JA’s Facebook Live (just a few seconds will do) from earlier this week her hair hasn’t had a professional colour. It is very dull and with roots showing.
  Any bride knows that wedding hair is coloured earlier than a few days out from the wedding.
  
  2. Her skin is a mess, the sort of thing that happens 2 to 3 weeks before a wedding, after the joyful bride has her first treatment by the beautician.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m pretty sure my spies out Muriwai way would have noticed by now if the wedding was this weekend.
    
    My money is on next weekend.
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:45am
- david
  
  Interesting that no-one was willing to be identified as the author of that tripe.
  
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  January 21, 2022 11:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

South African scientists said Omicron was mild…

but the western world didn’t want to know…

Was South Africa ignored over mild Omicron evidence?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60039138
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January 21, 2022 8:58am
- Mickey
  
  Indeed they were ignored because big pharma needed to make one last big sell of vaccines!!
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:00am
Nickc2

Our Police are Revolting
Disquiet in our Police Force is not a good look.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/01/21/police-push-back-against-mandates/
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January 21, 2022 8:58am
dime

The Herald is saying Auckland could hit 1800 cases a day.

That seems really slow.. I would have thought 5000 easy.
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January 21, 2022 9:07am
- krazykiwi
  
  The faster this happens, the harder the Church Of Covid falls. Bring it.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Omicron wave passes in about a month and infects basically everyone, so that means 50k per day (or more) at peak in Auckland, you just won’t see it because most infections are minor or barely noticeable.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:59am
- Hard Cheese
  
  That comes from the Government’s modellers. When have their numbers ever been correct? They have the uncanny ability not only to avoid the bullseye, but never even get it on the dartboard.
  
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  January 21, 2022 1:07pm
emmess

There seems to be a lot of talk about the British data show Covid deaths of Covid only a ninth of what the official figure is, today. I first saw a GB News report where Neil Oliver mentioned it two days ago
I have not yet seen this mentioned in any US alt media yet though, I think when it does and this news spread to Fox, the collapse of the narrative will almost be complete.
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January 21, 2022 9:09am
Rusty

Has Tova O’Brien made the worst career move in her life?

Think Discovery have every right to prevent her working at Media Works for another 3 months when she quit them at short notice in Nov last year and thinking she could call that annual leave.

She doesn’t make that decision her employer does.

I suppose if her new job crashes she can get work at the PM’s office in the PR department.
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January 21, 2022 9:12am
- Philview
  
  Strangely, left wing elements in the media think she is going to take an audience away from Mike Hosking. Unless Tova is prepared to turn on her buddy Jacinda she doesn’t have a hope of getting any traction.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:56am
- dime
  
  i love the PR piece.
  
  “I have been BULLIED” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  
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  January 21, 2022 11:34am
Maggie Pie

Another case of…. ‘Post Traumatic Slave Disorder’ perhaps ?

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1484128821255327746
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January 21, 2022 9:16am
Ron Jeremy

So over Covinda, Covid and the train wreck that is our current government.Find the constant bleating on about it on every media front very tiresome. Sooner this crap over the better . On a side note heading to Waiheke next week got a fishing charter booked for wife and kids can’t wait . Any recommendations for good watering holes over there ?
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January 21, 2022 9:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  I have enjoyed Man O War round the back of the island. There’s never a bad time for a platter and a Dreadnaught
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:40am
  - Ron Jeremy
    
    Sounds perfect cheers Krazy
    
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    January 21, 2022 9:52am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      OMG 😛 You’re not are you??
      
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      January 21, 2022 10:19am
      - blue collar
        
        ? I was thinking the same thing Maggie …. seen a few vids in me day …. I’m pretty sure he’s locked up tho at the mo for all sorts of sex charges ( Ron Jeremy )
        
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        January 21, 2022 5:01pm
- lifesgood
  
  Heke, the new brewery. Great place to hang with the kids.
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:36pm
blue collar

A few thoughts on food supplies
Recently countdown had supply issues coz they wouldn’t give their warehouse staff a fair pay rise . Result , strike and supply issues which they are still catching up on
Any normal person will stock up if banned from going to the supermarket at the drop of a hat , the timid already will hv .
Govt told us to stock up , supermarkets not to panic buy . Stiff shit supermarkets we would be without govt directive anyway .
Not everyone has someone to help , a lot would be too scared to set foot on your property anyway thanks to govt fear porn .

So …. we run out of certain food types soon …. my advice , turn up at your local labour mps office and demand some . We seem to find it for other nations aid , and it’s their inept organising ( did they give a directive to create govt stockpiles or increase existing supplies knowing what was coming and their response to it ie can’t go to supermarkets )
Let’s go Brenda let’s go !
Another captains call with no planning after 4 weeks holiday .
Will the Governor General please sack her
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January 21, 2022 9:35am
- cmm
  
  Only a fool would listen to what a bunch of 19-year-old, Che-beret-wearing polsci students would have to say.
  
  Do the most you can to be in a position that you do not rely on the government in a crisis (be that a natural disaster: eq, floods etc) or manmade (supply chain disruption due to CV19).
  
  Of course some things are outside the most you can do. For example, it would be unrealistic to build your own hospital and operating room. However you can still take quite a few steps to improve your general health and immunity to reduce your needs.
  
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  January 21, 2022 11:25am
krazykiwi

A couple of days back someone asked for a link in respect of the claim of negative vaxx efficacy, ie that Covid is preferentially infecting the vaxxed rather than the unvaxxed. I’m collating evidence of this for a more full comment, and there is now plenty, but in the meantime have a read of this post by eugyppius.
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January 21, 2022 9:48am
- Happy1
  
  Kk, you are making the same mistake that ClanMcleod was making a few days ago. The source data has rate per 100k. That means per 100k of that age group not per 100k vaxxed or per 100k unvaxxed. Some websites have also made this error as has the site you linked too. Please go back to the ons stats before you leap. There is a good reason why this story isn’t leading every news bulletin on the planet. It isn’t true.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:36am
  - Cinematic
    
    Heh, what about the true massive overstatement of covid deaths? Is that story leading every news bulletin?
    
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    January 21, 2022 2:17pm
    - Happy1
      
      When the history of covid is written they won’t reference a single death certificate, it will be all about excess deaths. Currently about 140,000 UK, 800,000 USA. In countries that have handled covid well, like NZ and Australia, there is actually a death deficit. As we and Aussie had lockdowns the fact that we have a death deficit means that lockdowns don’t cause deaths by other means, I.e delayed medical treatment, suicides etc. the beneficial unintended consequences exceed the negative unintended consequences.
      
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      January 21, 2022 4:56pm
  - bronny1
    
    Yeah the reason is that it doesn’t support the narrative!
    
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    January 21, 2022 3:36pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “The source data has rate per 100k. That means per 100k of that age group not per 100k vaxxed or per 100k unvaxxed”
    
    I don’t believe that to be the case. And even UKHSA hasn’t resorted to that defense, choosing instead to throw pleadings of various confounders and even ‘greying’ columns to de-emphasize the embarrassing data.
    
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    January 21, 2022 4:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Further, the data emerging from many countries supports the hypothesis that vaxx efficiency eventually turns negative. If your contention is that this can’t be so because there’s no media ‘outrage’ then I suggest that you should ‘get out more’ in terms of the media you consume, and I offer you my leather-bound bridge catalog for perusal at your leisure.
    
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    January 21, 2022 4:53pm
- dannz
  
  98% of UK has antibodies to Covid.
  So the “unvaccinated” actually have been vaccinated – by getting covid.
  
  Therefore it doesn’t indicate negative VE in an unexposed population.
  
  Take a look at the stats from Australia if you want to see what it looks like in a previously uninfected population.
  
  Everyone will be vaccinated, there’s just a choice whether you get it by vaccine or infection. I’d prefer to take my chances with the vaccine over the live virus.
  
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  January 21, 2022 1:57pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    You make a fair point, and I am on record cautioning against the “it’s only a cold” cries from NZ commentators in respect of omi. I believe omi will be more harmful here than, say, the UK but we do have some favourable mitigations such as low living density, and seasonality.
    
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    January 21, 2022 4:25pm
    - dannz
      
      I believe it will be more harmful to the unvaccinated, to the vaccinated it will be comparible to overseas.
      
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      January 22, 2022 1:21pm
- dannz
  
  Without previous infection unvaccinated are at about 10x the risk, even with Omicron:
  https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/698804/20220113-COVID-19-Monitor.pdf
  
  Hospital rate per million population (aged 12+): unvaccinated 1,052.0 / double vaccinated 176.3
  
  ICU rate per million (aged 12+): unvaccinated 133.1 / double vaccinated 10.5
  
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  January 21, 2022 2:18pm
- Jim
  
  Hmmm, I’m waiting on the latest AEFI reported myocarditis figure within Medsafe’s Vaccine Safety Report No 40. If you care to track the exponential increase since March 21 that gained momentum in August (Level 4 vaccine drive) and has significantly increased again since October (traffic lights and mandates). Just check it out for yourself.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:08pm
Aquataur

I wonder who is keeping a tally of deaths which have resulted from, or are linked to vaccine mandates.

Note how the authorities are very cagey about how many staff from emergency services have been stood down. Anecedotal stories talk about around 10%.

This Stuff story hints at 2 deaths that are probably the result of an under manned ambulance force.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300499267/st-john-investigates-two-heartbreaking-deaths-in-auckland-after-ambulance-delays

The local ambo here tells me that he is now often rostered on with someone who is effectively a driver only who has minimal paramedical training. And the same goes for volunteer firefighters – 6 months ago one needed to do a full year of training before being able to get on a truck ; now it is a 10 hour online course with no training in the use of breathing apparatus, or having gone through the structure training exercises involving a real fire.

This post was initiated after a local here in Kaukapakapa died of a heart attack earlier this week, aged in his 40s.

Normally the fire truck is the first responder, and would reach a local within 10 mins. The truck didn’t turn out because no trained paramedic on the volunteer brigade responded to the call, and an ambulance was dispatched from Te Atatu, taking an hour to arrive {both Silverdale and Helensville ambulances were on other jobs}.

Yet there were 2 trained paramedics available locally that day who have been banned from attending call-outs who could have been there with a defib within 5 mins. May not have changed the outcome but there is every chance it could have. Do you think the victim or his family would care whether those two are vaccinated or not ?
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January 21, 2022 9:50am
- bronny1
  
  My neighbour has been waiting 2 years for heart surgery, delayed repeatedly because “covid”. This is a South Island hospital ….finally went in for surgery this week. Nearly died on the operating table, now on life support with 50:50 chance of surviving (and surgery not able to be completed). Would this have been the outcome if they had done it two years ago when he reached the top of the list?
  
  My friend lost his voice box last year due to delays in diagnosing a recurring cancer because he could not get hold of his oncologist during lockdown 1. He is young and will not eat or speak again. Could they have averted this if not for the hospital being basically shut waiting for the influx that never came? We will again never know.
  
  But there are two people in my small circle of friends whose lives have potentially been ruined for naught. I’d be angry.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:50am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  YEt another example of the evil that bureaucrats and politicians do with their pointless petty crusades and superficial thinking.
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:07pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  When someone is in cardiac arrest, they say do anything you can. Number of breaths vs compressions doesn’t matter (it has changed over time) – try to save the person.
  You can’t do harm in effect, so anything is better than nothing. Try CPR of some sort.
  
  But if you haven’t been ‘vaxxed’……nah. Stay away.
  
  This example is a difficult one. I can see why primary health people should be vaccinated, ideally. It has some logic to it.
  Well, it would have logic, if the mRNA ‘vaccine’ was actually a vaccine, it would make sense.
  IF the so-called vaccinated person couldn’t spread it.
  Given that mRNA jab only reduces the severity of illness in the recipient, and doesn’t prevent transmission, then exclusion of people from such roles really doesn’t make much sense.
  
  A shame some people out there still think ‘Covid is a disease of the unvaccinated’.
  Many people still think only of the bodies overflowing in New York, and that Delta rhymes with deadly, and haven’t moved on their thinking since early 2020…..aside from lusting for booster shots and remarking how well NZ has done.
  But I don’t know ANY of these people personally, in my work place or social circle.
  All the people I know are over it- and critical, sceptical or even hostile against the government.
  
  2 shitty things about the government policy:
  (1) It divides and excludes certain people from full participation in society.
  (2) It makes ordinary people, clubs and business the enforcers of mandates.
  
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  January 21, 2022 1:11pm
  - bronny1
    
    I know lots of those people. Fortunately as a result of this ballsup I’m making lots of new friends who are a bit more actual smart as opposed to having a degree smart.
    
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    January 21, 2022 3:39pm
  - RdM
    
    “2 shitty things about the government policy:
    (1) It divides and excludes certain people from full participation in society.
    (2) It makes ordinary people, clubs and business the enforcers of mandates.”
    
    The template for this was established with the “SmokeFree” (smoke expensively!) laws, and they’re still going on, with even more restrictions proposed – mainly from Otago University “public health experts” – which seem to be accepted wholesale, with no actual independent analysis.
    
    Only the other day DG was remarking that, to perhaps paraphrase from memory, we’d never, or no-one would want to go back to the old smoky pub days … well I disagree.
    
    Bars that can provide a comfortable “outdoor” environment for tobacco lovers do well, but cafes that rent pavement space from the council are financially incentivized to make them “smoke free” (which really means smoking verboten) are also increasingly pushed to make vax pass required.
    
    Is there not a parallel to cafes that still welcome the unvaxxed untermenschen?
    
    The anti-tobacco scam, by the way, is older than the “climate change” scam, and now funded and sponsored by pharma companies and promoted with billions – pharma nicotine is clean and pure and a medicine against addiction (it’s no more addictive than caffeine – it has benefits, which you don’t want to lose, or have taken out of your life) but tobacco nicotine is painted as the great evil.
    
    (And while acknowledging that nicotine is not so harmful, yet ‘addictive’, that the problem is in the ‘dirty delivery’, they propose to only allow almost no nicotine tobacco (which is genetically engineered to be so, by the way, so what will the Greens have to say about that!?) and 99% ‘dirty delivery’, but of course you can get your nicotine via vapes, ‘nicotine replacement therapy’, etc.!)
    
    I digress, but it’s all very similar propaganda.
    And it’s been very successful.
    
    Paint the minority as […] and encourage the majority to pile in on efforts to restrain them.
    And make businesses liable to enforce them.
    
    As one of the minority, I’m angry every day.
    Even though this is clearly not good for me.
    But this too will pass.
    
    I enjoy tobacco, I believe it has benefits that have been suppressed, negative effects exaggerated, by (often pharma sponsored) ‘public health experts’, and through pressure groups politically, and actually it would seem to protect against C19 as well, even as it was reputed to do so from the plague in the 1600’s, although you won’t see that admitted from Otago (maybe an OIA request?).
    
    Ach, I could go on but enough.
    
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    January 21, 2022 5:27pm
- Jim
  
  Are the gov vaccine mandates for emergency services saving lives? As of today there have been 15,026 covid cases in NZ, and 52 deaths.
  
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  January 22, 2022 5:56am
blue collar

Driving around the naki today n it just feels ….. tainted .

Feels dirty after hving the labour caucus’s snouts hammering all our troughs ,
Their lying clueless breath polluting our air .

Good riddance , piss of back to Wellington n take our useless local mp with you .
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January 21, 2022 9:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

I didn’t realise how influential the Mormon Church was in Tonga
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60051524

174 Congregations in the Kingdom
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January 21, 2022 10:04am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW-
  Oh yes.
  I spent a bit of time in Tonga (mostly Nuku’alofa) attending a conference a few years ago.
  The three most important societal influences there were (in no particular order):
  Royalty
  Religion
  Rugby
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    For some odd reason, I thought most Tongans were Methodists or RC.
    (most of the Tongans I knew in Wellington were RC…..and here in Gisborne, they have their own Methodist Church).
    
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    January 21, 2022 10:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Tonga was once a very strong Christian nation. Mormons are far removed.
      
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      January 21, 2022 2:34pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The mormon church sells a line to polynesians that they are a long lost tribe of Israel. For some reason that is seductive to credulous fools.
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    And of course our Cindy was a Mormon for the first 25 years of her life so she really is a member of the long lost tribe of Israel.
    And it shows !
    
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    January 21, 2022 2:21pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Who wrote their book? Joseph Smith. No Biblical credibility at all.
    
    Has Tonga now suffered because of this?
    I was very surprised at the utter desolation of the country.
    
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    January 21, 2022 2:38pm
- MCōs
  
  Mormons got the do-re-me
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:08pm
Fletch

Professional biker Kyle Warner recounts getting pericarditis after his second shot.

https://rumble.com/vsql1s-pfizer-vaccine-destroys-health-of-professional-biker.html

Interestingly, he says that the pains from all his old accidents and biking injuries were reactivated. He only did the video to let people know what was happening with him, not taking a side or anything, but he was attacked majorly, reducing him to tears –

https://rumble.com/vqiy9l-vaxx-victims-27-professional-mountain-biker-kyle-warner-breaks-down-over-hi.html
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January 21, 2022 10:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That is terrible. John Campbell interviewed him a couple of times.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:52am
  - bythesea
    
    yeah – this is cult evisceration of a non-believer.
    
    for a super competitive athlete, he came across as very humble, honest in his interviews. All he was doing was relaying his experience.
    
    the fact that officials and official media effectively go along with this shaming behaviour is worse than the despicable pile on trolls.
    
    a pox on all their houses
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:39am
Maggie Pie

NOW TRENDING…

No surprise then to see that the 2 new ‘HIGH RISK’ Locations of Interest in Auckland, are once again both situated out West & South 🙁

Why Remuera just can’t go it alone at ‘Green Alert’ is beyond me.
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January 21, 2022 10:12am
- emmess
  
  I am not interested in knowing about where some people caught a cold at all
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:56am
blue collar

police pushback ?
Cops stopped weed chopper flights in 2019 ( $ or a gang suck up ? )
Heard they are going to resume , cut down gang money sources ?
Supply is through the roof , I know people ; ) , unprecedented this time of year and most outdoor , so …. I can’t help but wonder what’s going on .
Or is it the classic labour flip flop
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January 21, 2022 10:13am
Yvette

Once detected in the community, New Zealand will move into the Red traffic light setting within 24 to 48 hours.
But that’s where the detail ends as more information around how Omicron cases would be managed and who would have to be tested is still being finalised.
Asked why the Government didn’t have that detail mapped out already, the Prime Minister said it was largely done.
“But we’re providing information in a staged way,” she said.

So what does “staged” mean? – more announcements of announcements? – Apparently not, since, far as I can see, she didn’t even do that.

Do people actually know more about the wedding dress than any Omicron plan?

It’s not the first delay as New Zealand’s borders are also now in a holding period.
National leader Christopher Luxon said he’s not convinced the Government knows what it is doing.

May be Omicron – force of nature, but actually mindless as it is – will have the last “say”, just by emerging.
Then it will be “Jacinda, what is the fucking plan – like, right NOW!”

How many people will actually welcome Omicron – because of Jacinda Ardern?
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January 21, 2022 10:14am
- Batman
  
  I saw that too Yvette and actually swore at the TV!
  
  Fucking comms calendar and scheduling meaning they aren’t telling us shit and we get to hear hints from Trevor instead!
  
  Fucking stupid.
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:56pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  “Asked why the Government didn’t have that detail mapped out already, the Prime Minister said it was largely done.
  “But we’re providing information in a staged way,” she said.”
  
  “We aren’t making it up as we go. Honest! We TOTALLY have the whole plan back here.”
  (waves a folder full of papers)
  “No.
  Of course you can’t see it.
  But I assure you it is a very good plan”
  
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  January 21, 2022 1:18pm
- Lexicon
  
  “Staged” as in theatre.
  
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  January 21, 2022 3:45pm
Fletch

[deleted, anti-vax crap – Mod]
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January 21, 2022 10:30am
- Don Beckett
  
  So it appears now that if we post some item that is”ANTI-VAX” , if our Moderator think it is crap, it gets deleted.
  So much for a website where differing views can be expressed even if we disagree – or that’s what I thought.
  Just replying to someone elses question.
  
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  January 21, 2022 8:03pm
Suze Wainwright

Heh, gotta luv Audrey Young’s ability to alter a narrative. While introducing Claire Trevett’s article in NZH this morning –

Luxon & Seymour are just political hyperbole when it comes to explaining the govt’s lack of an Omicron plan, while Jacinda can now safely claim that aotearoa can no longer rely on the Government for everything… Where’s all the fear porn and Cindy’s immensely popular, stellar leadership, Audrey…?
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January 21, 2022 10:30am
Maggie Pie

My partner txt to say he was just driving past Mt Eden Prison, and there’s hundreds of Maoris outside trying to get IN!!
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January 21, 2022 10:42am
- Philview
  
  There is a high profile political prisoner inside.
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:51am
- Yvette
  
  Maggie Pie
  Brian Tamaki supporters protest outside Mt Eden prison demanding Destiny Church leader be given hygiene products
  Brian Tamaki has been given his personal hygiene items after his supporters protested outside Mt Eden prison over claims they had been withheld.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/brain-tamaki-supporters-protest-outside-mt-eden-prison-demanding-destiny-church-leader-be-given-hygiene-products.html
  
  Brian Tamaki supporters ‘intimidating’ Mt Eden residents as protest over Destiny Church leader’s imprisonment continues into fourth day
  “… some of this mob use bushes around existing premises to do their business because there are obviously no toilets available,” the local says.
  Local businesses told Newshub that some protesters have been sneaking in and using bathrooms. Other protesters have been showing vaccine passes as if they were customers, but then only using the bathroom.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/brian-tamaki-supporters-intimidating-mt-eden-residents-as-protest-over-destiny-church-leader-s-imprisonment-continues-into-fourth-day.html
  
  Moses – “Let my people go“
  
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  January 21, 2022 10:52am
- Cassandra
  
  Many of them will succeed, given time.
  
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  January 21, 2022 11:37am
CAKE FACE1

[deleted by Mod. Do not question DPFs integrity or intellect.]

Appeasement and collaboration don’t work with socialists.

They will simply take more and more, until you have nothing left.

Taking everything you have is justified by some bizarre notion of “fairness”, according to the socialists.

The socialists play the long game – every day, they incrementally take more, of both your freedom and your finances. It becomes normalised.

It’s shocking to see the centre right be so naive as to trust the left, and to fall into their traps, time and again.

Steel yourselves. It is well past time to draw a line in the sand. Not a step back!
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January 21, 2022 10:50am
graham

Hone Harawira being a dick … no surprises there, then. The so-called “Te Tai Tokerau Border Control” group of vigilantes is upset that Northland has moved to orange.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-te-tai-tokerau-border-control-upset-at-government-moving-northland-to-orange/6P7YLQCJDYUZEWGNBKK2WKH67Y/

But Te Tai Tokerau Border Control leader and former MP Hone Harawira said many Northlanders would not welcome the move to red, and wanted the risk managed conservatively.

“It’s an absolute bloody disaster for us here in the North. We want to stay red until we hit the 90 [per cent vaccination mark]. People are working hard at it, but we haven’t hit the 90 per cent,” Harawira said.

“People are working hard at it”? No they’re bloody not, Northland is at 86.0% double-vaxxed – the worst in the country. OBVIOUSLY people are NOT working hard at it, and the numbers prove it. Harawira is so full of it.

“Kaupapa Māori suffer from a lack of access to quality health resources and we suffer from an inequitable health system anyway …”

Bullshit. Just utter BS. Government has given Maori a $120 million Maori Communities COVID-19 Fund (MCCF). Phase 2 is now underway, which supports Maori communities to prepare and respond to the COVID-19 environment, especially planning for recovery and resilience in highly impacted Maori groups. What other sectors in NZ society have such largesse granted to them?

Honestly, this [deleted, abusive – Mod] makes my blood boil.
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January 21, 2022 11:07am
BeaB

Had to laugh at a recent meeting. Someone referred in jest to ‘the hermit kingdom’ and a woman reared up and hissed angrily ” I’ll have you know I am a Labour supporter”.
We were all astonished by her OTT reaction.
Is it a sign?
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January 21, 2022 11:07am
- alex Masterley
  
  Did you express sympathy for the woman’s plight?
  
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  January 21, 2022 1:36pm
  - Lexicon
    
    Or say, “What, still?”
    
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    January 21, 2022 3:38pm
- Clownworld
  
  Sounds a bit like “Do you know who I am?” or was it lacking the “proud of it” bit, she was reaching out for help?
  
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  January 21, 2022 2:12pm
cmm

This latest report that a 9 year old who is likely to lose her arm without treatment is struggling to get an MIQ slot is beyond outrageous.

Some UN worker can come in from Fiji – no worries.
DJs can come and go as they please.

Sick girl who might end up living minus an arm: suck it up for Cindy!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127559941/family-begging-for-urgent-miq-exemption-to-save-daughters-arm
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January 21, 2022 11:17am
- cmm
  
  This really pisses me off.
  
  I am going to stop using the #CinD4UN! hashtag.
  New one is #SuckItUpForCindy!
  
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  January 21, 2022 11:18am
  - kowtow
    
    What really pisses me off is that so much of this pandemic doom shite is down to the very Media pardy who have panicked politicians and the public into a state of fear that allows these travesties of fairness and decency to go on .
    
    And yet they have the gall to run these stories as if they had nothing to do with it , cos they’ve created this state of affairs.
    
    Hypocrites.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:58am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    This govt are beyond shit. Never let people who have done nothing tell you how to do anything.
    
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    January 21, 2022 12:14pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Can a person DJ with one arm?
    
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    January 21, 2022 2:06pm
- Lee C
  
  … If only we had a system in which people were paid to raise this kind of thing in some kind of open forum – you know, and we had civic-minded types in like an organisation which was devoted to representing people, to – like – you know, kind of point out where the Governmnet might do a teensy weensy bit better.
  
  If only….
  
  What would such an organisation call itself?
  
  A ‘political party’ perhaps?
  
  ANd then people might vote for them, so chuffed that they are actually earning the wages we dutifully supply them with..
  
  I know, I know…
  
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  January 21, 2022 11:44am
  - cmm
    
    Well to their credit Stuff did make this a banner article (for a bit) and, I think, Bishop did make a noise about it.
    
    Unfortunately the politicians seem to be most interested in exploiting stuff like this for political point scoring rather than just trying to help.
    
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    January 21, 2022 11:50am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Opposition politicians rely upon media to relay their criticism to the masses – and media should be adding their own. NZ media are for the most part refusing to do that and instead are parroting Govt propaganda and there is nothing that the opposition can do about it.
    
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    January 21, 2022 12:17pm
- kevn
  
  @cmm… Going directly media might do the trick. Negative perceptions and all that.
  Good luck and hope they aren’t gagged to media after the outcome.
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:20pm
  - cmm
    
    It’s bloody awful that the only way to get something done (if you don’t have ClarkE on speeddial, or have the ear of Aunty Helen for UN workers) is to shame them through the media.
    
    Complete horseshit.
    
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    January 21, 2022 12:33pm
Lee C

Who will help stamp this casual racism out? https://youtu.be/3Lyex2tSUyA
Phil Twyford?
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January 21, 2022 11:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must be the accent …
  
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  January 21, 2022 2:35pm
Maggie Pie

“I personally call New Zealand ‘New Zealand’. But inside New Zealand, I tend to call it ‘Aotearoa New Zealand’.

– Chris Luxon. National Party Leader.

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1484290906052186112
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January 21, 2022 12:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Oh dear.
  
  Clearly doing so much to “connect with ordinary New Zealanders”
  
  Just watch Act grow on the back of this shallow ,race pandering .
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:34pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Act = non-libertarians masquerading as National plus
    National = non-conservatives central slightly left libertarians masquerading as opposition but really global corporate woke communists
    Labour = Green corporate woke communists aligned with Red
    
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    January 21, 2022 2:20pm
    - kowtow
      
      Best of a bad bunch is the way I see it.
      
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      January 21, 2022 3:54pm
- DeepBlue
  
  I looked at the clip. Luxon talks about one country, one people, helping based on need not race. Celebrating out bicultualism and multiculturalism…. using Te Reo is personal.
  
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  January 21, 2022 2:12pm
  - kowtow
    
    How can one celebrate “biculturalism” in a “multicultural” society .
    
    Meaningless , trite , sound bite word salad.
    
    Again he has stated his learning maori is part of his effort to change Nat culture . That’s not personal. That’s political. So is renaming the country .
    
    Like I said , watch votes leek to Act.
    
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    January 21, 2022 2:55pm
ClanMcleod

This now a pandemic of the vaccinated. Coming to NZ very soon.

“In their latest report, published just this evening, they’ve tried something new and bold. They now only calculate case, hospitalisation and death rates for the unvaccinated and the triple vaccinated. The double vaccinated have been banished entirely from Table 12. This will make the evil negative efficacy go away, right?

Ha, no:”

As with previous posts, feel free to tell me which part of this analysis is wrong. Don’t do what the idiots do, criticise the photo or the name. Don’t do the ad hominem bullshit please. Address the data. It has nothing to do with 90% being jabbed therefore “of course the jabbed death rate and cases are going up because nearly everyone is jabbed”. Wrong. This data is proportionate. It is per hundred thousand.

If it’s wrong, let know why.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/unboostered-brits-infected-and-dying
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January 21, 2022 12:20pm
- cmm
  
  Naah, must be a fib mate.
  
  I trust Cindy and she said that you get vaccinated to protect yourself from the unvaccinated.
  
  Not protect yourself from the virus; protect yourself from the unvaccinated!
  
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  January 21, 2022 12:35pm
- surfing
  
  It’s wrong, because you only see what you want to see ….
  https://fullfact.org/online/ukhsa-vaccines-not-negatively-effective/
  
  And to be honest, your theory is absolutely nuts too. There is no science that explains how you can be even a little bit right.
  
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  January 21, 2022 2:14pm
  - westernScientest
    
    That fact check doesnt even cover the most important issue about these comparisons that keep coming up (not that its wrong, just there are more issues than they bring up). The biggest one being that the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are not statistically comparable on a per population basis.
    
    Because the effect of other factors (such as age, commodities etc.) is so strong on hospitalisation, and the distributions of those factors are not even close to similar in the vax and unvax populations (eg the unvaxed group has way less old sick people in it compered to the whole population) they cant be compared without controlling for at least age. There is a paper further up the thread (and a number of others) that does take into account a number of these factors. Guess what, it shows that against omicron the vax works just a little bit, not much but a little bit.
    
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    January 21, 2022 3:42pm
Truman lodge

I wonder if Brian Tamaki is being forced to participate in the killer beez fight club they run in Mt Eden? You are forced to go cell to cell and fight your way to the end.
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January 21, 2022 12:26pm
Yvette

Not so much about Tamaki, but questions in relation to media reports about him –

In a Facebook live video of the protest Tamaki’s son-in-law Caine Warren said they had been told by police the self-proclaimed apostle had received his hygiene products, but Tamaki told them he had been denied them.
Warren said these “lies” had upset his mother-in-law Hannah.
In the video supporters can be seen standing with arms linked, while Warren asked police to send someone from senior management from the prison down to talk, telling them not to “sit on their bums like that. We are not going to move.”
An accompanying post said “Prison/police representatives have lied to the Tamaki family – the family were advised that Apostle Brian Tamaki had received his personal hygiene items as was discussed and agreed.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/brain-tamaki-supporters-protest-outside-mt-eden-prison-demanding-destiny-church-leader-be-given-hygiene-products.html

1 – can a person in prison discuss and agree to items they wish to have.
Apart from personal hygiene items, does it extend to favoured food items, reading material or entertainment programmes?

2 – when a person is detained for breaking bail conditions, is their status preventive imprisonment, education, or punishment, and do any of these allow personal privileges of the inmate’s choice?
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January 21, 2022 1:16pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiYF_o6ho1U

Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain, Episode 10 “Please Explain The PM’s Perks”.

Scotty runs short of toilet paper, and finds a great substitute. [1:53]
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January 21, 2022 1:26pm
curry4me

[deleted, racist crap. We note Lauren Southern has her Bitcoin and funding links listed prominently – Mod]
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January 21, 2022 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum just txt to say she really upset a couple of people coming out of Countdown by calling them hipsters.
Apparently the correct term is ‘conjoined’.
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January 21, 2022 1:47pm
Kiwi Dave

Skim reading Barry Brill’s linked He Puapua summary from yesterday’s KB, I was surprised to read point #8: ‘Māori will be providing for Māori’, but then noticed that this was in a section on governance rather than finance and taxation, a section which doesn’t seem to exist. Hmmm…
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January 21, 2022 1:58pm
surfing

Just received my booster shot. All good, arm a little tender. Maybe the booster is less effective against omicron, but omicron is milder and there is still some protection….all of which adds up to a pretty solid defence against serious illness.

This vaccine is a wonderful thing.
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January 21, 2022 2:06pm
- Cinematic
  
  Pfizer agrees.
  
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  January 21, 2022 3:28pm
- greybeard
  
  I have just received an email from MoH saying I can now get my booster shot.
  “You are now eligible for your free COVID-19 booster
  vaccination. Vaccination is the best protection against COVID-19.”
  Unfortunately this “vaccination” protects me from diddly-squat. I can still contract CV-19, and I can still infect others.
  “Vaccination” is not the same as “immunisation”, but hundreds of thousands of unquestioning New Zealanders are happily accepting this message.
  The vaccine may as well be nothing but water.
  And probably is.
  
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  January 21, 2022 3:28pm
  - westernScientest
    
    if it was it would produce less side effects
    
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    January 21, 2022 3:30pm
  - Jim
    
    Yep saline certainly wouldn’t have caused 450+ people diagnosed with vaccine induced myocarditis. The next Medsafe Safety Report #40 might report 550-600.
    Medsafe reported prepandemic background stats of approx 100 myocarditis cases per year in NZ.
    Then advised the vaccine causes 1 case per million vaccinations, which later changed to 30 cases per million vaccinations. It’s concerning that NZ has exceeded this by 50% and will no doubt go higher.
    https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview.asp
    
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    January 22, 2022 6:16am
- MCōs
  
  That sort of talk is heresy around these parts, friend.
  
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  January 21, 2022 6:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tyranny 101.
1, Create a problem.
2, Mandate a solution.

Any questions?

Tyranny 101.
1, Create a problem.
2, Mandate a solution.

A̶n̶y̶ ̶Q̶u̶e̶s̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶?̶
3, Don’t allow questions.
How is NZ doing???
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January 21, 2022 2:07pm
Truman lodge

I wonder how co government will work.

Will Maori vote on the non Maori side as well as their own? What about by 2050 when Asians make up 40 percent of the population? Will they form an alliance with maoridom? They could pass a law banning Pakeha from going outside during the day. In America such a law would be struck down by scotus. But in Nz we have democracy which means courts butt out. If the parliament decides to ban pakeha from going outside during the day then democracy reigns supreme.

I’m so glad we don’t have courts interfering with our Democratically elected leaders and trying to defend our rights.
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January 21, 2022 2:33pm
Fletch

A member of the public took their child in to be jabbed yesterday. This is what happened –

A warning about the child vaccine!!!!
Just took my 10yo down to pages road for her first shot. We waited about 20 mins and in that time saw two severe reactions to the vaccine! The first power chucked all over the steps before being ushered away which was a bit disconcerting but continued to wait then about 5 minutes later a wee girl collapsed and started fitting on the floor!
That was enough for us so we left better off taking our chances with the covid!
We need to halt this madness immediately and wait for this vaccine to be properly tested!
My children are not your lab rats!

https://www.facebook.com/tobi.wheeler

I believe this may be the same person Liz Gunn interviewed last night anonymously.
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January 21, 2022 2:40pm
Chuck Bird

This article by Hooton is a worry. There will be a lot dead.

Matthew Hooton: Jacinda Ardern’s Omicron choice horrific but necessary

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-jacinda-arderns-omicron-choice-horrific-but-necessary/IQXCZTO656NULQWR2UEIVFRQJ4/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1642704634
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January 21, 2022 2:45pm
- kevn
  
  @Chuck… Yep, all those folk with deferred surgeries and medical treatment, scans etc.
  There are 10’s of thousands of NZer’s in this situation. Many dying while they wait…
  
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  January 21, 2022 3:17pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Damage and deaths done to people by covid mitigation policy don’t matter to Labour. Only headlines including the word covid are important.
    
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    January 21, 2022 3:38pm
- Cinematic
  
  Hooten is wrong. Unless they change the count the Omicron will mainly harvest hundreds of double or triple vaxxed elderly kiwis with comorbidities.
  
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  January 21, 2022 3:32pm
  - MCōs
    
    “Harvest” is that a medical word or something you thought of yourself?
    
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    January 21, 2022 6:09pm
- lifesgood
  
  There is little point in putting a link to a pay walled article.
  
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  January 21, 2022 5:27pm
  - MCōs
    
    Some of us have subscriptions.
    
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    January 21, 2022 6:10pm
Maggie Pie

RT REPORTING….

‘Russian research out of Moscow’s Gamaleya Institute, shows that ‘SPUTNIK-V’ is 2.5 times more effective against Omicron than the Pfizer vaccine, this due to greater levels of antibodies it delivers’.

President Biden was quick to label the claim as ….’disinformation’.
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January 21, 2022 3:11pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Labour has found some momentum in the latest Taxpayers’ Union-Curia poll.

Labour has risen 1.7 points to 41.2 per cent, widening a lead against the National Party, which sits on 33 per cent, up 0.4 points.

Act is on 11.5 per cent, up 0.9 points.

The Greens fell 0.2 points to 10.7.

Te Paati Māori fell 2.5 points to 0.5.

Bros – Now you know why we I keep calling sheeple and Labour will be in power until 2035? No chance in hell for National to win until then.
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January 21, 2022 4:09pm
- BananaLlama
  
  How on earth did you miss this, you even took time to copy paste it.
  
  Te Paati Māori fell 2.5 points to 0.5.
  
  That wipes out all of Labours gains.
  
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  January 21, 2022 6:25pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION.

One of the girls from tennis asks….

“If Brian was an IMAM rather than an APOSTLE, would he still have been jailed?”
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January 21, 2022 4:18pm
- MCōs
  
  He seems to give his fantasies free rein when it comes to titles so he could add Imam to the list if he thinks it’s to his advantage.
  
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  January 21, 2022 5:19pm
surfing

Hit the news now, Mallard is warning people that they should stock up supplies.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-outbreak-supermarkets-warn-of-potential-purchase-limits-to-prevent-panic-buying/FNGKNDQJQKLJBEQPG3PKKX7JWY/
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January 21, 2022 4:49pm
- MCōs
  
  Hit the news yesterday too.
  One thing is certain it doesn’t take Prophet Brian to tell us that once code Red is announced there will be the usual spate of panic buying.
  We were out today topping up the essential stockpiles we’ve hardly made a dent in from panic #1. Oyster sauce, frozen durian, penang curry paste . . .
  
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  January 21, 2022 5:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you thaw the Durian inside your house, Cossie?
    
    We bought some once and it smelled like rotting flesh!
    
    Ended up taking it out to Panmure and disposing of it in the shopping-center bins 🙁
    
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    January 21, 2022 5:57pm
    - MCōs
      
      Made it into ice cream and gave it to the kids that came trick or treating one year; just one year was enough.
      
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      January 21, 2022 6:20pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/127563047/new-zealand-donates-extra-2m-to-tonga-in-wake-of-volcanic-eruption
Wow! So generous !
Wellington City Council just spent $15,000 repainting a “rainbow” pedestrian crossing, and then spent $130,000 on some sort of a “Wellington” sign without the “I” in order to “put Wellington on the map”. Again. Interminably.
This country is rapidly becoming a disaster.
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January 21, 2022 5:11pm
Warren

Covid Fund could not Fund fourth vaccine dose if necessary, says Grant Robertson, dispite having $4 billion left in the fund presently.
Finance Minister Grant Robertson has said there is enough money in Covid response and recovery fund (SRRF) for costs of the omicron outbreak- including the purchasing of the Rapid Antigen Tests- but warned more money might be needed if the Country required a fourth round of vaccinations.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-fund-could-not-fund-fourth-vaccine-dose-if-necessary-says-grant-robertson/KWWCIICJZMQPXLZJDDW3YBMSCY/
You have to ask why the used the covid fund to bribe the public with millions for camera’s on our fishing fleet , millions for School lunches in all schools, millions to Kainga Ora Housing Acceleration Fund, all from a fund established to fight the pandemic not to fund Labours forgotten promises.
So again the need to borrow billions at the expense of future generations is needed by a Finance Minister that is out of his depth and untrustworthy about where the money is borrowed for is at best misappropriation of funds so why would you trust him again to use these funds for New Zealander’s , not political bribes.
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January 21, 2022 5:26pm
Prince

One of the new breed of feminazis, the head of MIQ, announces ‘zero tolerance’ for Kiwis who act perfectly legally.
Who the hell do these puffed up bureaucrats think they are !
And Stuff brands these Kiwis as ‘bogus’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300500844/zero-tolerance-for-kiwis-trying-to-enter-country-as-bogus-transit-passengers
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January 21, 2022 5:29pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Typical bureaucrat, the Government made the stupid rules – if people are just asserting their rights because the rules allow it, don’t start bleating about fairness and morality. You get what you deserve if you make crappy law up on the fly.
  
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  January 21, 2022 6:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pot, kettle, black, and all that shit. Realy?
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/biden-casts-doubt-on-midterm-elections-could-easily-be-illegitimate/?
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January 21, 2022 6:04pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see Austrian politicians have voted to make vaccinations mandatory.

Just outrageous.
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January 21, 2022 6:38pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s akin to deliberate injury and an attack on bodily autonomy.
  
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  January 21, 2022 9:07pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I think they got confused in Austria and thought it was Australia for a minute.
  
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  January 22, 2022 8:59am
Scooter

What exactly is “doing manus in the Whakatane pools” mean? I hope it’s something like doing laps and not anything more sinister.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/127568431/siblings-rescue-unresponsive-injured-boy-from-pool-at-whakatne-aquatic-centre?cid=app-android
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January 21, 2022 6:52pm
Fletch

Estimation of Seymour gone way down –

David Seymour MP has just aggressively verbally attacked the parents and children congregated outside Mt Eden prison this Friday afternoon.

David Seymour also let loose at Hannah Tamaki, verbally bashing her while she tended to her great-grandchildren as they held a vigil for her husband outside Mt Eden prison.

Supporters filmed Seymour yelling at Hannah Tamaki that her husband is going to be in jail for years. This was an interesting statement from Seymour since Brian Tamaki hasn’t even had his court hearing. Again, this smells like political prosecution, making Brian a political prisoner.

[…]

This was a targeted attack by Seymour as he turned up in his campaign-branded vehicle to attack Brian Tamaki’s wife in what is already an emotional time. For Seymour to yell at her, using a self-righteous aggressive tone, and then proceed to push one of Hannah’s security, is completely unacceptable behaviour from a Member of Parliament. To yell at any lady at any time is despicable behaviour, especially in front of little children. The Tamaki family have now lodged the incident with the police. Their police liaison has already said how disappointed they are with Seymour’s actions.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/01/21/seymour-verbally-bashes-freedom-families/
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January 21, 2022 9:04pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  In the absence of video evidence, which I sought but found the most hilarious of excuses in the Freedoms FB site, I call BS and Fake News on this.
  
  A summary of the responses to polite requests for the footage to be aired, which the post breathlessly advised they had, is “the media don’t post their videos so why should we.” Hilarious but pathetic, and unnecessary. Disclaimer: I have nothing against either Tamaki and have spoken in defence of his Man Up programme.
  
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