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CAKE FACE1

There is a theme in science fiction.

For example, Frank Herbert, in his masterpiece Dune, wrote:

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

In Star Wars, Yoda also cautioned against fear:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

Unfortunately, New Zealand’s Prime Minister has been open about how she is consumed by an anxiety disorder. In a guardian article, she also mentioned suffering from imposters syndrome.

“Imposter syndrome can be defined as a collection of feelings of inadequacy that persist despite evident success. ‘Imposters’ suffer from chronic self-doubt and a sense of intellectual fraudulence that override any feelings of success or external proof of their competence.”

Of course, Cindy has no evident success, except winning an election by a landslide. There is no external proof of her competence in governing the country – actually, there is voluminous evidence to the contrary.

Perhaps what she actually has is a seed of self-awareness – a realisation, in quiet moments, that she is useless at governing. Hold that thought!

Irrespectively, the anxiety disorder is interesting.

There is fake news promulgated by left wing activists that somehow Cindy is good in a crisis, because she dressed up in the Muslim outfit and hugged people after the terrorist attack.

The fact of the matter is that having a leader with an anxiety disorder is the worst possible situation during a pandemic. What we need is bold, confident decision-making. What we get is fearful bedwetting, with Cindy advocating hiding under our beds for the third year in a row.

How long will she continue this farce?

We need to move on from this fearful paralysis now. The costs are escalating out of control. Cindy needs to seek treatment, or resign. She is dragging the entire country down with her, to the depths of the abyss. It needs to stop. But how?
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January 17, 2022 8:01am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  It is only imposter syndrome IF you have no skills or ability related to what you do.
  
  What our PM has is a realisation that she is totally out of her depth.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:35am
  - Ra Henare
    
    But she has “”heaps”” of training at PR.
    She will have the learnt the skills she is now showing.
    Selling bad news with lots of smiles and empathetic(false) looks and words.
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:09pm
- Bea Rossini
  
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  Ahhhh – the old “mental illness” trope.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The word you were looking for was “observation”, not “trope”.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:09am
    - kowtow
      
      And the place , Fraser House.
      
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      January 17, 2022 10:15am
  - doggone7
    
    There’s nothing like being in a group of old men pondering and commenting on the latest that’s wrong with Ardern. Over time I’ve got to respect her a bit.
    
    You see, given all the things she’s hopeless at, what she is incapable of, the afflictions and limitations I’ve heard about, she got to be their and my Prime Minister.
    
    Occasionally the psychoanalysis approach comes.
    
    Naturally the same scrutiny is applied in the same settings to other political leaders. And naturally the verdict from the experts at summing Ardern up is that Donald Trump is a genius. He is a masterful businessman, the answer to any American woes and the true leader America needs.
    
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    January 17, 2022 2:10pm
- Yvette
  
  CAKE FACE1
  In support of your comment, there the Will Smith quote, the only “worthy” item in an otherwise ‘absolutely’ bloody awful movie –
  “Fear is not real. The only place that fear can exist is in our thoughts of the future. It is a product of our imagination, causing us to fear things that do not at present and may not ever exist. Do not misunderstand me danger is very real, but fear is a choice.”
  – a choice you should not let Jacinda make for you.
  
  And further on the reasons why she should not make that choice –
  Ms Ardern has graced the cover of Next magazine and in an interview has spoken of the “pretty big weight of responsibility” since taking the [Labour Party] leadership role.
  “I’m constantly anxious about making mistakes. Everything in politics feels so fragile,” she told the magazine.
  … “I just feel like there’s more people to let down now. I do feel an enormous amount of pressure because I know there are lots of people who don’t want me to screw up, and there are just as many who would really love it if I did.”
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/poll-jacinda-ardern-s-popularity-plummets.html
  
  And – Jacinda Ardern: ‘Very little of what I have done has been deliberate. It’s intuitive’
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/06/jacinda-ardern-intuitive-courage-new-zealand
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:55am
- KH
  
  What is this post about? In the trade they would call it “psycobabble”.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    No likee ?
    
    Simples ,no lookee.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:17am
- cmm
  
  Yup, fear leads to poor decision making. This is well documented in many fields from scuba diving to plane crashes and attack tactics for infantry.
  
  The incident pit (aka “panic pit”)
  studied since 1973 is one such manifestation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_pit
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:01am
  - Master Mariner
    
    One of our indicators during pychometric testing is
    ” Pressure”. How do you cope under pressure.
    If you fail this then you will not go on to be a Captain in my company at least.
    So , I will say again. Instead of micky mouse facebook profiles the public should be given the results of all MP’s pychometric tests and then vote.
    Im sure there will be some “doozies” amongst this rabble.
    Fear and Pressure similar ?
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:07am
    - riffer
      
      Be careful what you ask for. Selection on those metrics would almost certainly result in a parliament comprised pred0minantly of psychopaths.
      
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      January 17, 2022 3:11pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  No, she doesn’t have any kind of disorder. She is a professional spin doctor. All her adult life she has done that instead of work that creates value for others. She is not competent to govern but she knows that and doesn’t care. She is an expert at using words and faking emotion to cover up her and her government’s underlying lack of substance.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:43am
  - artemisia
    
    Also expert at cherry picking the ‘expert’ advice she is given and having her staff provide one or two word salad reasons why TINA. (There is no alternative.) Worked so far, why change?
    
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    January 17, 2022 11:04am
  - Spongebobby
    
    This disorder seems to fit quite well though….
    
    https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm
    
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    January 17, 2022 3:06pm
- RockyJ
  
  Cake Face, you make very good points. Ardern is a self confessed perfectionist. She is not mentally ill, this is simply a habit of placing excessive demands on herself. It is characterised by setting unrealistically high goal but beating yourself up for not achieving them. Failure is failure as a person. There is an inability to publicly admit mistakes and maintenance of a facade of competence.
  It is all very stressful for her.
  Many people are like this- I have battled it personally.
  Under pressure she will make bad decisions as the anxiety gnaws at her rationality.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:09am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    We used to call that arrogance.
    
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    January 17, 2022 11:59am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The Greeks called it hubris
      
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      January 17, 2022 6:44pm
- Paulus
  
  Her own intelligence and employees tell her she is still invincible – so she believes it.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:10am
- mawm
  
  I think what is more important is the loss of trust in those in authority. Although this is about the UK, Neil Oliver has a very good look at where we are.
  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/01/15/neil-oliver-outlines-the-fractured-trust-of-the-people-with-government/
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:16am
- gravedodger
  
  Not easy accessing Mental Health services, so we are told.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:37am
- Ra Henare
  
  Interesting to note that procrastination is the cousin of fear.
  
  Pre Christmas and the absence of the PR Queen we were assured that the Cabinets first meeting on the 17th January would review “”everything””.
  
  Now the Herald reports…
  
  Cabinet is not meeting today but several ministers with portfolios central to the Covid-19 response will meet tomorrow to discuss issues including whether Northland moves to the red light system.
  
  Cousin procrastination hard at work!!!!!!!
  So the first announcement of an announcement for 2022.
  
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  January 17, 2022 1:32pm
- Tony
  
  Lol! “except winning an election by a landslide.”
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:35pm
iMP

Half of Europe to be infected by Omicron with a few weeks…” WHO no less. Let’s assess this over next 2 weeks (like Al Gore’s global warming claims)…

Dr Hans Kluge said a “west-to-east tidal wave” of Omicron was sweeping across (Europe)…on top of the surge of the Delta variant already present. The projection was based on the seven million new cases reported across Europe in the first week of 2022. The number of infections has more than doubled in a two-week period.

“Today the Omicron variant represents a new west-to-east tidal wave, sweeping across (Europe)…” on top of the Delta surge that all countries were managing until late 2021,” Dr Kluge told a news conference.“
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January 17, 2022 8:02am
- Loddenthinks
  
  And that, folks, is one of the ways a pandemic ends.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:48am
- cmm
  
  Except it is not “on top of Delta”. It is well documented that Omicron displaces Delta.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:03am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Ultimately yes, but not until a substantial proportion of everyone have recovered from Omicron infection.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:09am
    - septic skeptic
      
      That is not how it works. Omicron is out-competing Delta. More people infected quicker with a shorter incubation period. The displacement occurs simultaneously with the Omicron surge, not subsequently due to the immunity generated.
      
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      January 17, 2022 11:54am
- MCōs
  
  One thing I’ve noticed is that, similar to the direction of tropical storms & political polls, predicting what’s going to happen with covid-19 is as accurate as picking horses.
  
  But somebody has to do it, or thinks they have to do it.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You can use previous experience to make an educated guess what is likely to happen. That’s what the “pandemic preparedness plans” that we had and were for. They were ditched by most western countries at the same time which seems bizarre.
    The experts who put out the Great Barrington Declaration and those from NZ’s Covid Plan B advocated the approach that was in those plans. Focused protection on those at most risk. No lockdowns. Sane advice around carrying on as much as normal as possible. If you get symptoms stay home until you’re better. This plan was not only ignored, it was actively suppressed everywhere. The few times it got mentioned it was only to ridicule the concept. Now, most of the world is moving to that position.
    There is a pattern to what viruses do and have always done. For some reason our current “experts” changed the approach to something never attempted before. It has been a total failure.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:20am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, Exactly my line of thought as well.
      Why was 2017 Plan ditched to no plan at all?
      At least with a plan you can modify or adjust it accordingly.
      No plan is just “winging it”. In my mind I really do not know what is worse.
      
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      January 17, 2022 10:30am
      - kowtow
        
        it can’t be stated enough .
        
        The Swedes , like evryone else had a plan and stuck to it . Despite constant attacks in the media and commentariat.
        
        And they’ve done relatively well.
        
        here we are still waiting for the damn thing.
        
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        January 17, 2022 10:46am
      - mawm
        
        MM – it was ditched but the hesitancy of each step was caused by waiting for the WEF “to get back” with their plan.
        
        Clan – all I can add is that the blocking of early treatment was criminal. Those that did so from WHO, through Fauci to Ardern should be in the dock for the 100’s of 1 000’s deaths it caused. Unfortunately, as Stalin said, one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.
        
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        January 17, 2022 12:40pm
    - artemisia
      
      Farr’s Law, since 1840.
      
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      January 17, 2022 11:07am
Scott

Glen Youngkin the new governor of Virginia has started his first 24 hours in office in promising fashion.
He has – banned the teaching of critical race theory in schools
– Got rid of the mask mandate for school children
– Cut regulations thereby invigorating job growth
– Withdrawn from climate change accords
– Got tough on crime by firing the soft on crime parole board.
No teaching of racial division, focussing on jobs, tough on crime. Could we borrow him in NZ sometime? We need right of centre politicians who will focus on jobs and growth and productivity and do away with teaching our history is bad and we should be ashamed of our “racist” ancestors.

New Zealand needs to find leaders like this man.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/01/in-virginia-elections-have-consequences.php
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January 17, 2022 8:05am
- Scott
  
  While I’m here and continuing in USA, Ted Cruz is doing some great work to expose what really happened on Jan 6th –
  Ted Cruz questioning an FBI official about the activities of Jan 6th, specifically did the FBI encourage illegal activity? The spotlight falls on Ray Epps who is encouraging people to go to the capital and to tear down the fence. His behaviour was so suspicious that the crowd started chanting “Fed, Fed”.
  What an indictment, that a crowd would feel that the federal government would be against them and inciting them to commit illegal acts!
  Is it possible that the FBI encouraged supporters of Donald Trump to commit violent acts? Given the egregious nature of the FBI’s conduct regarding Trump and Russia then I would says it’s very possible.
  
  https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYrQEovFs2O/?utm_medium=copy_link
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:07am
  - Local Miller
    
    Given the way ted’s questions were answered (or not) with “I’m unable to answer that”, it smacks of a 5th Amendment attempt at avoiding self incrimination of the FBI.
    I would say the answer to all Ted’s question was actually “Yes” or the equivalent.
    
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    January 17, 2022 8:57am
    - mawm
      
      I’m unable to answer, I can’t comment on an on-going investigation, not that I recall, I can’t remember, etc. are all Clinton-speak (both of them) to dodge answering a question. It sucks that get away with it so easily. Anyway it doesn’t matter because Congressional/Senate investigations are all Kabuki theatre.
      
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      January 17, 2022 12:46pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You’re onto it Scott. IMO, the FBI has been a Rogue entity since its inception. Currently, the Dems think they have the FBI on their side. That would appear to be true but the FBI can change sides at any time to suit its own narrative. If they turn against the Dems, the Dems will run for the hills because the FBI knows where the bodies are buried (figuratively speaking).
    I wonder if Hillary will run for POTUS again knowing this.
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:05am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Just watch the movie J Edgar to get a handle on the FBI 🙂
      
      Sorta like Fauci, in the job way too long and believed he knew best.
      
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      January 17, 2022 3:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Thanks Scott
    What’s the story about Epps supposedly already appearing before the Commission and he denied all of it?
    Is there a Transcript?
    The film shows his behaviour was really suspicious and he certainly looked like he was instructing people.
    The FBI sure stirred things up in the Whitmar kidnapping
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:27am
- MCōs
  
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  We don’t teach CRT
  We don’t have mask mandates for kids
  We have plenty of jobs
  Are our parole boards soft?
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:00am
  - lifesgood
    
    All children over year 4 had to wear masks at school all day. Is that not a mandate? Terrible IMO.
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:52am
    - MCōs
      
      Your right.
      Not primary school.
      
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      January 17, 2022 10:16am
      - lifesgood
        
        Yes, year 4 is primary school.
        
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        January 17, 2022 1:34pm
  - RockyJ
    
    CRT is coming in the guise of the new school history curriculum. Keep up.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:12am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    We do teach CRT (or curricula infused with its core premises), just look at the new history curriculum.
    Collective guilt for all white kids.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    We have He Puapua
    
    We have mask mandates for kids
    
    We have “plenty of jobs” because thousands have been sacked for making personal medical decisions and because seasonal workers and those young people who normally travel here as part of their OE can’t get here.
    
    Not sure about parole boards, haven’t looked into that, but the police are soft if you’re a thug or criminal, BLM or Extinction Rebellion protestor. If you’re a normal member of society without a gang behind you or are on a protest that the government doesn’t “approve” then you will likely be arrested, or have your house broken into and your legal firearms taken, even though you’ve comitted no crime other than criticise Ardern. At the very least you will be subjected to attack and vilification by the bought and paid for shills in the mainstream media.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:33am
    - mawm
      
      I see Brian Tamaki has been arrested again. We simply cannot have anyone with any sort of public presence to get up and criticise the plan. //s
      
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      January 17, 2022 12:53pm
  - kowtow
    
    We don’t have Thai generals .
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      We’d probably be more democratic if we did.//
      
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      January 17, 2022 1:06pm
rouppe

What’s someone to do?

A load of hoo ha about cyclone Cody which appears to have turned into nothing. I was over at Castlepoint yesterday. Beautiful and light breezes only.

Yet millions of dollars of damage had been done in Tutukaka because “unusual currents” has turned into a massive surge that has sunk boats and destroyed marina berths.
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January 17, 2022 8:05am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep Interesting, Cyclone heading to East and dissipating as most do in these Latitudes.
  Not to say there will be another on the way soonish due to extremely warm water in Coral Sea ( Due to La Nina effect).
  Now heres the thing.
  NIWA ( Akin to climate alarmism), Scientists/modellers sell the “alarmist” Climate Change Theory,
  And Metservice with “forcasters” and accurate predictions regarding Well, The weather ( who would of thought aye) competing for Government funding.
  See the issue here?
  One deals with actual events and the other in Phycho Babble.
  I do like TV1 Weather man Dan, He knows his stuff
  however. Not too sure how he fits in to be honest with the Climate nonsense TV1 reporting.
  Anyway my 2 bobs.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gisborne predicted to get 0.8mm of rain in the next few hours…. (it was 4mm on yesterday’s forecast).
  Wind has picked up a bit in the last hour.
  
  Thank goodness I watered all day yesterday….No decent rainfall expected over the next 10 days.
  
  Weekend looking nice for a Gizzy wedding.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:00am
- cmm
  
  Fuck all compared to Cyclone Cindy that’s been battering NZ for the last 4 years.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:05am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Sometimes procrastination works wonders. Our yacht has been on the hard at Dockland 5 for two years because I keep finding reasons/excuses to work on something else instead of the boat.
  
  If I had worked on the boat and had her back on L pier (the pier that broke up) at Tutukaka marina, all my hard work might have been in vain.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:10am
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Good to see Djokovic on his way.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/127513183/send-him-home-poll-reveals-overwhelming-support-for-decision-to-deport-novak-djokovic
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January 17, 2022 8:07am
- KH
  
  Downtickers here disagree with most Australians.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:02am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    KH, I think the dynamics are slightly different in Aus. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of vaccine mandates etc, many Aussies saw Djokovic as someone using his privileged status to bypass entry rules into the country over other hardworking Aussies.
    
    Of course, that sort of thing would never happen in aotearoa – especially if you’re friendly with someone ‘higher up.’
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:22am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Exactly. Their reason seems to mainly be rage against the tennis players privilege.
      
      The number of highly fit (and therefore not susceptible to Covid) sportspeople being retired by reactions to the Vaccine suggests that Djokovic has at least some right to decide not to take the vaccine.
      
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      January 17, 2022 9:55am
      - Paulus
        
        Djokovic has the right not to be vaccinated, but that obviates the right to subvert Australan Federal Law .
        
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        January 17, 2022 10:14am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Paulus – exactly. The media are regarding it as a “kick him out because he’s not vaccinated” issue whereas it’s actually a “kick him out because he committed fraud and got in ahead of actual Aussies etc” issue.
        
        I have no issue with him getting kicked out, just with the fake claims that Aussies wanted him kicked out because he wasn’t vaccinated.
        
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        January 17, 2022 11:34am
      - unaha-closp
        
        Djokovic didn’t break any laws and had a valid visa to enter that Australia granted, the initial court case and the appeal both confirmed this. But the government of Australia has the right to deport any foreign national that they want and so now he is gone.
        
        The Australians deporting him is puerile political theatre.
        
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        January 17, 2022 12:41pm
      - JJ56
        
        unaha-closp, others suggest he may not have been squeaky clean
        https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-deserved-defeat-for-novak-djokovic/a-60440732
        
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        January 17, 2022 3:09pm
    - KH
      
      Agree.
      
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      January 17, 2022 10:30am
- I remember when
  
  Yes and with him went the Australian reputation for being ‘Larrikins” who aren’t prepared to bow down to unnecessary authoritarianism.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:59am
NK

I’m getting word from state employees that the Gummint is preparing Auckland for a six week lockdown, obviously to start after the wedding.
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January 17, 2022 8:14am
- Bridgenag
  
  sigh…………..
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  and the DJs, Musos and Off-Shore Guests (all the MIQ dodgers) have all gone home.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:21am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  A friend tells me that Downtown Auckland is DEAD and all that is needed is the Tumbleweed as in the Westerns.
  
  Another LD and Akl is STUFFED
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:12am
  - Nickc2
    
    Cindy’s working on it. The next lockdown that is.
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:38am
  - lifesgood
    
    Already stuffed. The only people you see are obese beggars. They’ll be gone soon, hopefully, due to low pickings. On that point, I thought loitering was a crime.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:07am
- MCōs
  
  Let’s just see how accurate these ‘state employees’ are.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:30am
- mawm
  
  What are the indications for such a lockdown? Case numbers, Cindy’s poll numbers?
  
  The number of small businesses shut down and the empty shops will surely tell even the dumbest of people that Auckland cannot take another one. The best that come from her doing this could only be mass non compliance.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Here’s hoping, that could well be the final straw that gets us to the critical mass needed to end this.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:41am
  - Raphael
    
    to force parents to get their 5-11 year olds jabbed (heck, I am having a hard time persuading my 13 year old to get her second. she hates needles.)
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:58pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    By the end of Feb apparently 82% of people will be boosted.
    
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    January 17, 2022 4:37pm
- BAM
  
  I was talking to someone who operates at the higher levels and has for many decades.
  
  Some time in February is what they’ve been told, that’s when the government expects Omicron to be everywhere and causing major problems.
  
  Better start stocking up, I certainly am.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    
    a couple of weeks after schools go back.
    
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    January 17, 2022 11:16am
- Ra Henare
  
  The guy at the pubs, Uncles sister in law, knows some in the PMs office.
  They said lockdown will be only Gisborne Hawkes bay except for Djs, Singers and personal friends and dignitaries of PM.
  
  They also reported that RNZAF has been tasked with flying a number of said dignitaries and friends from Tonga to self isolate at some blokes ranch near Gisborne where they will all have rapid tests(RATS) regularly.
  
  Some hint that RATS will be followed by chilled glasses of Gisborne chardonay.
  Yet to be confirmed as a gift from local winery.
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:48pm
- Rich Prick
  
  One News were gagging for it tonight, so yip, there’s something in the wind.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:53pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

I see Cindy’s getting her ‘booster shot’ today.

https://twitter.com/LouieTheRed1/status/1482557250514604032

(The replies! Some people can be sooo nasty!!)
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January 17, 2022 8:21am
- pdm
  
  At which Marae outside of her electorate will this major event be held for filming by compliant media for tonights 6pm news. A double clip I think.
  
  Thankfully I will be at work so will leave mrspdm to endure it.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:28am
- Prince
  
  How can that be ? The booking system is only up today ?
  Or are there special rules for the elite ?
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:44am
  - tavita
    
    I had my booster last week. After reading all the stuff on here, i was very much in two minds, but I need to travel overseas for my business. We just went in to ask about it, but the woman said “do you want it now?” so spur of the moment decision – we did. Knocked us both out for two days and the arm is still a bit sore.
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:14pm
    - pdm
      
      Had ours last Monday morning by appointment.
      
      No problems apart from a slightly tender bicep overnight. mrspdm much the same but she suffered a bit when we had our second jabs back in July.
      
      Interesting really because we both take tablets to control BloodPressure, I have two Aortic Valve replacements and am type two Diabetic. Plus it is fair to say we are both mildly obese but in both our cases weight is slowly but steadily reducing.
      
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      January 17, 2022 12:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How do we know it’s not just saline?
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:03am
  - mawm
    
    Ask for a public sampling of her blood and antibody tests. There are several people I’d like to see having that done starting with the CEO of Pfizer.
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Because the Govt does not tell lies. You know this//
    
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    January 17, 2022 2:42pm
- Tony
  
  We must be reading a different twitter post. Almost all the replies were fully supportive of our wonderful PM.
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:43pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Meh. I’m no Cindy fan but will give her a pass on this one. If she goes early she’s a privileged queue jumper; if she hangs back then she’s a hypocrite for arm-twisting others but not getting the jab herself.
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:53pm
thetiedarch

As many have pointed out already, the government and the PM seem to have been absent on the subject & risk of Omicron to the country the last few weeks, given that they are on ‘holiday’ (amazing that one can be on holiday from being PM).

Yet, a volcano erupts 1000km away, and our PM is suddenly in front of cameras promising “Aotearoa’s” help.

Anything for that job at the UN aye.
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January 17, 2022 8:21am
- pdm
  
  Actually Tie they have been absent on anything good for New Zealand and New Zealanders for four years.
  
  Don’t rock the boat because they are doing enough harm with the little they achieve.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:33am
- Master Mariner
  
  Question, as out at sea currently and sketchy internet,
  How long after Volcano did Civil defense issue a warning?
  Was it timely is the question or like previous tsunamis it was issued TOO Late?
  I’m picking the latter again.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The National Emergency centre put out a Tsunami advisory for Northern and Eastern NZ and the Chathams before 7 PM on Saturday… warned of strong and unpredictable currents.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/459618/tsunami-advisory-for-parts-of-nz-s-north-island-waves-crash-into-tonga-after-volcanic-eruption
    
    The waves hit Tutukaka at 9:30pm.
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:29am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks Maggy, Trouble loading sites at sea,
      Good to know I guess.
      
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      January 17, 2022 10:13am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I live on the East Coast of the North Island, above Auckland. Last year I had a “test” warning from civil defence. There was nothing on my phone this time that I’m aware of? The “test” was unmissable, quite a strident alarm.
        Presumably this wasn’t classified as dangerous?
        
        Not complaining. Of course we knew there was something coming, we were monitoring it for a few days and could see it dissipating so we weren’t too concerned. In fact it turned out to be a normal day with above average gusty winds.
        
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        January 17, 2022 12:34pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Yes, I noticed that the BBC report of the Tongan volcano eruption quotes Ardern left right and centre. All we in NZ seem to have got from the lips of our PM since she went on her extended holiday is ‘no comment’.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:06am
  - Jack5
    
    Ardern’s bought off the news media the State doesn’t already own.
    
    If the subsidies don’t keep coming, the newspapers will have to down-size.
    
    So who pays the piper calls the tune – the Ardern tune.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:02am
  - Ehlana
    
    What I noticed is that Newshub, in a report dated Sunday 16 January, has the eruption at 4:10am, then further down the page says it erupted on Saturday (15 January).
    
    If we can’t get the day right for an event so close by, what hope is there for accuracy in other news?
    
    Or did all the other outlets miss the Sunday eruption?
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Much more important that she speaks to her world followers, people in NZ are getting wind of her and not falling for the fakery. Those overseas mainly don’t get it yet.
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:43pm
- MCōs
  
  Speaking of PMs being on holiday this time of year.
  John Key & Scott Morrison both went to Hawaii, the latter during major bush fires.
  Helen Clark went tramping in Nepal or somewhere.
  Jacinda Ardern is in NZ. Unlike omicron in any numbers.
  Scott Morrison was at the cricket this year and contributing to the Novak Djokovic shambles.
  Boris was holding drinkies last Christmas while telling everyone else they couldn’t.
  Putin is getting ready to pinch a bit more of the Ukraine.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Brenda might as well be in Timbuktu as be in NZ. Nobody would be any the wiser.
    And damn that Putin, moving his whole country closer to those NATO and US troops and missiles. I hear a rumour from Joe Biden that Putin has implemented a new strategy. He’s putting Russia on dollies to make the whole moving thing much easier.
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:49pm
    - MCōs
      
      Russia is nowhere near America.
      
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      January 17, 2022 3:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        At the closest of their mainlands, the American state of Alaska and Russia are about 90 km apart.
        
        If you take account of islands in the Chukchi Sea, Russia and the United States are less than 4 kilometres apart.
        
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        January 17, 2022 4:49pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Atlas required MCos!
        
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        January 18, 2022 6:02am
- tf78
  
  She sure doesn’t do “local”, only international news for her.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:03am
  - nathie
    
    And seems like the “local” is mainly via social media platforms (overseas owned “capitalist” conglomerates, yet more absurd irony)!
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:12am
  - MCōs
    
    What did you have in mind?
    The Tongan catastrophe very much affects a lot of people in NZ; particularly around this neighbourhood.
    We had our booster shots at a Tongan Medical clinic in Onehunga. There’s always a lot of Tongans there.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:24am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She’s the queen of posing for cameras after a disaster then vanishing into the stardust. She is AMAZING at doing that. AMAZING.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:48am
Im Right

If they lockdown because of Omicron, they will lose any ‘brownie points’ built up in the minds of voters.
Omicron, according to world wide reports, is very contagious but not deadly! (Unless you have major health issues)….in fact some countries report it’s alot milder than Delta.
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January 17, 2022 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  The funny thing is , if you have major health issues ,as so so many do in the west , many simply due to our indigent lifestyles then just about anything could be deadly to you , including a walk in the park .
  
  How the hell has the west allowed this kungflu to dominate absolutely everything and invert our values so unquestioningly.
  
  It’s both astonishing and frightening.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:35am
- Local Miller
  
  They have brownie points?
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:01am
  - cmm
    
    The only brownie points Cindy really cares about are those with power to place her in the UN.
    
    #CinD4UN!
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:22am
Stellaboxer

Omicron is in the community . So the end of the pantomime is nigh and the clowns will depart the stage. The dept of health is vowing to stamp it out ( good luck with that windmill) and chief clown Baker is trying hard to remain relevant, not that he ever has been, with nonsense like this and I quote from Newstalk “ Epidemiologist Professor Michael Baker said the new community Omicron case shows New Zealand is now on “borrowed time”. Actually it’s him that’s on borrowed time along with all the rest of the circus.
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January 17, 2022 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Since the start of this thing we’ve been on borrowed time .All the lockdowns and lockouts have done is put us back two years , postpone the inevitable and destroy the books.
  
  The real medicine is coming now , but we should have taken it long time ago and been done with it .
  
  Time for normality , now.
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:38am
Rusty

Australia seems to be getting offside with other countries at the moment.

Djokovich incident (Serbia)
Submarine fiasco (France)
Standing with Taiwan (China)
501’s (NZ)

Does our PM and her govt ever make a stand on issues with other countries whether one agrees with them or not like human rights abuses in China?

Someone might say global warming and nasty America and the west is the only whinge our govt makes a stand on — as if that is the number one problem in this world.
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January 17, 2022 8:38am
- MCōs
  
  NZ has spoken up about China’s human rights.
  However.
  You and I both know we could do a lot more, such as banning trade with that country or provoking a ban from their end.
  
  Our dairy industry would go along wholeheartedly, said no cowcocky ever.
  
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  January 17, 2022 12:29pm
  - mawm
    
    NZ certainly hasn’t lately even spoken up on touring sporting teams that are picked on race like they used to, one can hardly expect our PM to speak out on the horrors happening in China. //s
    
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    January 17, 2022 1:10pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      NZ hasnt spoken out against race selected sports teams for some time.
      
      If memory serves NZ is the only country that currently supports race based sports teams.
      
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      January 17, 2022 7:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Banning Trade with China?
    
    A new Chinese ambassador who has previously worked on the country’s controversial belt and road initiative (BRI) has arrived in New Zealand, prompting speculation Beijing is planning to focus on deepening economic ties with New Zealand
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/14/chinas-choice-of-ambassador-to-new-zealand-indicates-focus-on-deepening-economic-ties
    
    We are poised to sell our country to our new leaders… get with the program!
    
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    January 17, 2022 1:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ban trade with China?
      Te Warehouse and $2 shops are doomed
      
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      January 17, 2022 2:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Te Wharehouse*
        
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        January 17, 2022 2:53pm
Yvette

As a covidistraction – What happened to Ihumātao?
New challenges to resolving Ihumātao land future
The Government announced in December it had struck a deal on the long-running dispute at Ihumātao. But three months on and the group tasked with deciding the land’s future isn’t yet formed

This Newsroom article [1] was first published March 17, 2021, so the December referred to is December 2020.

In the December Cabinet paper the Crown says it recognises “the need for housing on the site’’ but the extent of that will be decided by all parties in line with the MOU [Memorandum of Understanding between the Crown, Auckland Council, mana whenua and Kīngitanga]
Any progress from this point on is down to Kīngitanga – and whose voice it chooses to be represented in the governance group.

… A number of other senior Labour members, including Foreign Affairs Minister and Waikato-Tainui MP Nanaia Mahuta, are closely connected to the movement.
In Mahuta’s case, she is a direct descendant of the late Queen, and cousin to [Maori King]Tūheitia.
So while the Government will want to leave it to Kīngitanga to resolve the almost impossible task of choosing, some ministers may find themselves in a sensitive and conflicted position.

The only “hope” this issue may offer is that some matters in “3 Waters” will take as long to resolve, like perhaps “In a legal first, Ngāi Tahu has lodged a statement of claim in the High Court seeking recognition of rangatiratanga over its awa and moana, to address the ongoing degradation caused by the environmental mismanagement” – does this have precedence over any Crown/iwi “3 waters” arrangements – or the Te Rūnanga a Rangitāne o Wairau “discussion” with neighbouring Ngāi Tahu as to who has manawhenua and manamoana to oversee Marlborough’s “new” eastern coastline, uplifted by the 2016 Kaikōura earthquake, or, again, Nanaia Mahuta’s conflict of self-interest (see above) [2]

[1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ihumatao-no-done-deal-anytime-soon
[2] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/maori-co-governance-of-three-waters-a-historic-step

‘Footnote’ – A Cabinet paper presented in December shows the decision was designed to mitigate “the risk that the land will be subject to a Treaty claim in future’’ [1]
Can New Zealand Governments act in a manner that expressly excludes the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi?
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January 17, 2022 8:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ihumatao = theft of land by activists with govt acquiescence.
  
  Watch out for Hey! Poopoos they’re may be yours as they nab your lands back. Mahuta is more dangerous than she appears.
  What’s she got on Cinders?
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:07am
Tomtoddy

The Ferald can devote two full pages to the so-called shortcomings of an unknown, National backbench MP dishing dirt but cannot find space to critique the daily incompetencies of Govt Ministers.

Balance? Follow the money.
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January 17, 2022 8:41am
- nathie
  
  Also, from that article it appears Ms Harete Hipango has more spine, more skillsets and more balanced work/life experience than the entire Labour Maori caucus!
  
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  January 17, 2022 8:52am
Geoff1

Why is the traffic light system not being reviewed today?
It is quite clear from the government and its paid propaganda that it was scheduled for Mon 17 Jan 22.
The Prime Minister states Cabinet will take advice from health officials and that the review was/is from the 17 Jan 22.
Dancing on the head of a pin and more prevarication from the Prime Minister
Covid-19 Traffic light levels announced
29 NOVEMBER 2021
“We have been cautious with this initial designation of traffic lights as the new framework beds in. Cabinet will review settings and provide an update on Monday 13 December. The next update by Ministers will be on Monday 17 January, and will continue on a fortnightly basis.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/traffic-light-levels-announced
12 Dec 21
Northland is in the red setting until at least January 17. All other parts of the country are orange.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-103-new-community-cases-ahead-of-governments-traffic-light-review/COZCWHIBUFLLZA7WZYPIR77OTU/
Govt’s traffic light call
12 Dec 2021
After tomorrow’s meeting, Cabinet will not review traffic light settings again until January 17
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/covid-19/covid-19-delta-outbreak-103-new-community-cases-ahead-of-governments-traffic-light-review/
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January 17, 2022 8:45am
- tf78
  
  What traffic light system – another load of bollocks I’d forgotten all about.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:06am
- Rusty
  
  Don’t understand the traffic light system in the first place and wouldn’t be surprised if the govt downplays it now because they know it makes no sense.
  
  Remember speaking to my neighbour who is a well educated accountant and didn’t have a clue how it worked.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ask a 10 year old kid, they understand the PM’s childish stuff
    
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    January 17, 2022 3:06pm
Maggie Pie

NUDGED – or pushed off a cliff?

“The traffic light system won’t help us very much because it was never designed to dampen down transmission, it was only designed to NUDGE people towards vaccination”

– Dr Michael Baker (The Guardian)

https://twitter.com/lazzaNZL/status/1482574209499164675
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January 17, 2022 8:52am
- cmm
  
  So that’s admission that it was coercion with no preventative benefits at all.
  
  So much for “keeping people safe” etc. That’s bullshit. Its only purpose is coercion.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:08am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yup. It’s always been about coercion. Fear must be instilled, and bodily sovereignty crushed if aspiring totalitarians are to increase their power over us. That people can’t see the patterns of history would be perplexing to me were it not the case that this blindness is itself what seeded once ‘successful’ totalitarian regimes.
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:12am
- Ruahine
  
  Nudged.
  Meaning; to be bullied or blackmailed by government propaganda agencies to achieve an outcome on behalf of government or institutions, and organisations that have a controlling influence over an individuals decision making abilities.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:14am
- kowtow
  
  This “nudge” business is very important .
  
  Clearly the govt is playing psycho stuff around fear of wuflu etc .
  
  We get nothing from our bought and paid for Media Pardy over what tactics they have employed to force compliance , including fear .
  
  The UK govt did the same thing and has had to apologise . If they were doing Fear factor , what are the chances we were doing the same.
  
  In the UK they still have a free and questioning Media , we don’t .
  
  We are very badly served by both govt and the media .
  
  Nudge nudge ,wink wink, say no more, say no more.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:37am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That may well be a faux pas by Baker, the doomsayer. An admittance that they have been using the same social control tools and psychological warfare against the population. The same playbook as used by SAGE and Spi B in the UK. It is well documented and the word “nudge” comes up repeatedly.
  UK Column were all over this from the very beginning, one of my earliest sources of reliable information.
  
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid-coercion-boris-johnsons-psychological-attack-uk-public
  
  It’s patently clear that NZ has followed exactly the same playbook. It is beginning to look like England is dumping the book, Ardern and Baker are gripping it more tightly. This man is an ardent pandemicist. He has to go. He was never useful, he’s now dangerous.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:00am
- Lummox
  
  Baker also stated at the “Zero Covid Summit” last year that :
  
  “…the coronavirus pandemic has given us the opportunity to reset in order to address inequities in society and threats posed by climate change.”
  
  That covid thing might be tricky, but it’s certainly useful for pushing your agenda forwards.
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:00pm
TripeWryter

I have to commend David Fisher for his revealing and penetrating feature on Harete Hipango in The New Zealand Herald this morning.
I nearly wasn’t going to read it because I thought it was going to be another media hit-job on the Whanganui List MP.
Maybe there is more to this Maori woman than the shallow pack-media have been prepared to show.
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January 17, 2022 8:57am
- kowtow
  
  It was a hit job.
  
  Couched from beginning to end with obvious hits to anti vaxxer with no friends or allies .
  
  In other words a loner , loser .
  
  Like I said , don’t offend the New Orthodoxy or they’ll come after you.
  
  This is the modern equivalent of Protestant Witch burning.
  
  Shame on the bought and paid for Media Party .
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  can’t wait for his big expose on the travelling Green , the one who comes and goes to mexico so frequently
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:40am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Keen to know too..
    
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    January 17, 2022 11:32am
kowtow

That big piece in the Whoreald by Fisher on Hipango today is innerseting in so many ways.

The clear message to all is ; ‘anti vax’ will get the Inquisition onto you” , so ensure you remain faithful to the orthodoxy .

At least 2 other lefty MPs have played the MIQ game and not been given the forensics that Hipango’s got .
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January 17, 2022 9:01am
- Nickc2
  
  It’s paid for comment.
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:22am
- nathie
  
  Yep, the MSM is complicit in supporting a narrative that it is immoral/outrageous for people (MP’s too, it seems) to be talking to people, who from all accounts were abiding by the law, with a different viewpoint.
  
  I’m not here to argue that I support them, but the fact of the matter it is now practically a crime to talk to people with other viewpoints?
  
  Aren’t MP’s there to talk to, listen to and represent their communities?
  
  Aren’t the MSM there to report that, impartially (not as the propaganda arm of government – what is this, the 19th and most of the 20th Century where such collusion was rampant? Or is it more “Eastern Block” such thinking?
  
  Selfie with protesters? Well this is the “smartphone” and social media era, so what?
  
  From the article Herete Hipango has a proud history and one of service to the community.
  
  No wonder why the Labour Party and its activists want to take her down – she has more “mana” than all of them!
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:59am
  - nathie
    
    And do all Labour MP’s fully support the official line and eg won’t talk to their own “vaccine hesitant” Maori constituency?
    
    If not, why not?
    
    After all it’s not cool to listen to wider whanau now, is it bro?
    
    Why isn’t the MSM asking the Labour MP’s what their personal stance is and how they are representing their own communities with different perspectives?
    
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    January 17, 2022 10:03am
- Jack5
  
  And now the police have arrested Brian Tamaki. Guess there will be a separate thread on this later.
  
  Interesting that the Stuf report is listed under a subheading – “Crime”.
  
  Haven’t noticed that subheading over reports of gang shootings.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Fisher is one of the primary attack dogs. I’ve got a couple of interesting email exchanges with him. They’ll be interesting to revisit in a year or so.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:06am
- RiP NZ
  
  13 year old just turned away from the local (outdoor) swimming pool.
  Save me the hand wringing about drowning rates, you are still a kid at 13, decisions have been made for you but yet this kid is punished. P.s there is not much else to do in my town for kids, the pool is pretty much it.
  Fkn detest what we have become.
  
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  January 17, 2022 12:34pm
burt

I see we’ve send an air force plane to Donga.
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January 17, 2022 9:11am
- Jack5
  
  Hope the plane is safe.
  
  I posted a link on this late last night. I hope the moderators agree it’s worth repeating given the NZ plane’s journey.
  
  The link’s to the great story of an NZ-bound airliner in 1982 when volcanic ash caused it to lose all engine power.
  
  https://youtu.be/YYwN1R8hVsI
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I can provide you with a link to a recent excellent video that analyses the flight if you are interested.
    
    That incident raised awareness of the dangers posed by volcanic ash to airplanes. Airlines, Air Forces etc are now well up to play on the dangers. I am sure the RNZAF will be fine. Well at least fine from the ash. It might break down because it is 60 years old 🙂
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:32pm
I remember when

Bret & Heather Podcast:
Artificial Desert of Opinions.
Protecting the feelings of the Morbidly Obese is more important than protecting their health.
A study has found that extreme obesity cuts life expectancy by an average of 6 1/2 years at the low end and almost 14 years for those at the high end.
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January 17, 2022 9:13am
- Taieri
  
  A study has found that extreme obesity cuts life expectancy by an average of 6 1/2 years at the low end and almost 14 years for those at the high end.
  —————–
  
  The above is meaningless.
  
  Cuts life expectancy compared to what?
  What is the definition of “low end” and “high end”?
  What are the respective cut off points?
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:56am
  - cmm
    
    “Cuts life expectancy compared to what?”
    
    Compared to a person that is otherwise the same, but has a healthy BMI.
    
    “What is the definition of “low end” and “high end””
    People are not all physiologically the same and there are also compounding factors. Some individuals are more prone to negative outcomes from obesity. There are also error bars in any data like this.
    
    ” What are the respective cut off points?”
    
    What makes you think there is a cut off point? There’s a continuum.
    
    Someone with a BMI of over 30 is classified as obese, but it would be ridiculous to think that there is a material difference between someone at 29 and someone at 31.
    
    There is however a HUGE difference between someone at BMI 30 and someone at BMI 50 or so.
    
    You know it’s true, but you can pretend it isn’t if that makes you feel better.
    
    After all, what matters is feelings – not fact.
    
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    January 17, 2022 3:03pm
    - Taieri
      
      You’re just contradicting yourself…
      
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      January 17, 2022 10:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Better hope they don’t get a nasty bout of flu or something like it then.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:07am
  - mawm
    
    Yep, we are 500 or so deaths short of a normal flu season just for 2001.
    
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    January 17, 2022 6:55pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I wonder what proportion of the lower life expectancy of polynesians that explains;
  71.3% of Pacific, 50.8% of Māori, 31.9% of European/Other and 18.5% of Asian adults are obese
  
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  January 17, 2022 9:14pm
Maggie Pie

And honestly, I’ve got NO idea what’s happened to the British 🙁

https://mol.im/a/10408425
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January 17, 2022 9:28am
cas

FFS the Herald runs a story on lifeguards telling people to stay out of the water and runs it in Paywall. No sense of community spirit there.
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January 17, 2022 9:28am
- ClanMcleod
  
  cas there is a simple pattern to the Whoreald “reporting. If it’s government covid propaganda, say, a story about how important it is to jab your 5 year old, get your jab or get your booster, it will be free to read. If it’s actually newsworthy or important it will be paywalled.
  It’s why I skim the headlines then find the real news elsewhere.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:11am
  - gump
    
    So you’re saying that articles about public health are free, and articles about subjects that cost the Herald money to syndicate or investigate & report are not free?
    
    Wow! Who would have guessed…
    
    It only costs $4 a week to subscribe to the online version of the Herald. Why are you expecting them to give you news for free? They’re not a charity.
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:24pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      gump I bought it for decades, when it was respectable. I refuse to financially support what is a pure propaganda outlet without a single journalist with a shred of integrity. Other than government money, they run advertorials pretending to be news funded by the real estate companies and car retailers.
      It isn’t because I can’t afford it or I’m miserable, I just don’t want to encourage them. The sooner they go under the better.
      I do give my money to a number of places that give actual news and real journalism.
      
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      January 17, 2022 2:05pm
      - cmm
        
        “I refuse to financially support…”
        
        Make that “I refuse to voluntarily support…”
        
        You’re financially supporting the Herald every time you pay tax on anything.
        
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        January 17, 2022 2:55pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Actually the cost to access the web site, just as the cost of the print edition covers a tiny fraction of the cost of the “paper”. Most of the costs have historically been covered by advertising and paid for articles. Pay walling articles has nothing to do with revenue, and everything to do with controlling the narrative.
      If the Whoreald were to remove the pay wall and fix their reporting to be balanced (as it should be), and charge advertisers based on page views, they would generate a lot more income.
      
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      January 17, 2022 3:27pm
Yvette

Headings mine, comments: the Guardian (Pete McKenzie in Wellington) –
■ Unprepared
Two of New Zealand’s most prominent Covid-19 experts have warned that the country is unprepared to prevent the health system from being overloaded by an Omicron outbreak, with likely fatal consequences.
Otago University’s Dr Nick Wilson and Dr Michael Baker also said it was only a “matter of weeks” [from January 10] before the highly transmissible variant seeped into the community due to border failures.

■ Late rollout for children
… New Zealand received its first shipment of Pfizer’s paediatric vaccine only at the weekend [January 8 – 9], and intends to begin child vaccinations from 17 January, despite some comparable countries beginning their child vaccine rollout late last year.

■ Tracing will be overwhelmed
Omicron’s short incubation period also means New Zealand’s system for identifying and containing new community cases would be much less effective.

■ Traffic light system “not fit for purpose”
Wilson panned the country’s traffic light system – which replaced the more stringent alert-level system last year – as “not fit for purpose” with Omicron due to its tolerance for relatively significant social interaction for vaccinated people when Covid is in the community.
Baker agreed, calling for the government to rapidly reinstate an amended version of the alert level system. “The traffic light system won’t help us very much because it was never designed to dampen down transmission, it was only designed to nudge people towards vaccination,” Baker said.

■ MIQ Omicron cases danger
Until these weaknesses were fixed, he said, “we need to hugely turn down the tap of people arriving in New Zealand”. Wilson agreed: “The priority is to have a tighter border so that we don’t have to vaccinate kids and conduct a booster program during an outbreak.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/10/new-zealand-not-prepared-for-omicron-outbreak-expected-in-matter-of-weeks-experts-warn

Chances of Otago University’s Dr Nick Wilson or Dr Michael Baker going to the Wedding
– probably “absolutely” screwed
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January 17, 2022 9:32am
NoCash

GD is all about covid nowadays, can we start talking about the awful CCCFA? What a fubar piece of law…
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January 17, 2022 9:34am
- Matt Long
  
  More of a snafu really.
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:20pm
I remember when

CDC Deaths for 2019:
Total US Deaths 3,383,729
Heart 696,962
Cancer 602,350
Covid 350,831
Accidents 200,935
Stroke 160,264
Lower respiratory diseases 152,657
Alzheimers 134,242
Diabetes 102,188
Influenza, Pneumonia 53,544
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis 52,547

So the annual estimated number of annual deaths attributable to obesity is approx 280,ooo based on HRS from all subjects and 325,000 on HRS from non smokers and never-smokers.
In 2020 the US recorded about 370,776 covid deaths and 477,826 in 2021.
The obesity estimate of approx 300,000 per year is 80% and 63% respectively of these totals.
In the last ten years a figure of approx 3,000,000 are estimated to have died of obesity.
Yet Obesity doesn’t appear as a cause of death while covid is a pandemic.
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January 17, 2022 9:36am
- I remember when
  
  So Obesity is a contributing factor to deaths and Covid is the cause.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Or is covid a contributing factor and the fact your heart and lungs and other organs are struggling to function due to obesity was the cause? That a bit of good diet, exercise and generally looking after yourself might help?
    
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    January 17, 2022 2:08pm
- cmm
  
  Of the deaths where CDC reports CV19 on the death certificate:
  * There were an average of over 4 comorbidities.
  * Only 5% listed CV19 as the only cause.
  * Some were given CV19 tests posthumously.
  
  This “dying within 28 days of testing positive” business is just nonsense.
  
  By that standard, the vast majority of men will develop prostate cancer, so 90% of men who die at age 70 or over died of prostate cancer!
  
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  January 17, 2022 2:51pm
  - mawm
    
    There’s a subtlety there – post mortem findings are that many men die with prostate cancer (I forget the number) but not from.
    
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    January 17, 2022 6:59pm
Lee C

… and elsewhere…https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=893419974753627
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January 17, 2022 9:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yup, we are being dumbed down real fast
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:17pm
rangitoto

Novak must be the first sportsman banned for not taking drugs.
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January 17, 2022 9:48am
- MCōs
  
  Except for those who worked for Vince McMahon in the eighties
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:10am
lifesgood

This Djokovic affair has left me uneasy. On the one hand he did the wrong thing and apparently told lies on his visa application. On the other hand I have been pretty disgusted about the pile on raging on both sides of the Tasman. It is a prime example of hating the tall poppy, a real lefty trait. Why NZers have become so vociferous about it amazes me when hardly anything has been said about Cindy’s mate, Dimension. I had to turn ZB off last night after hearing Bruce Russell at his nastiest going on and on about Novak and rejoicing in the cancellation of his visa. What the hell has it got to do with us? Greatest comment I have seen about the issue on FB was “They sent men TO Australia for doing worse”
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January 17, 2022 9:59am
- Jack5
  
  What is FB?
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You’re missing nothing. I was on it for a while, I got help. Now I’m clean. Praise be.
    
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    January 17, 2022 11:28am
- Stu2
  
  The great mystery was how he got a visa in the first place – the requirement for Oz for non-residents is to be double vaxxed and he wasn’t. Process failure.
  
  The subsequent pantomime never should have happened.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    He has had covid, that gives you an exemption. It is written in Oz’s covid immigration rules. It became political because they were scared it would encourage anti vaxxers. What they’ve done now is create a martyr. I can’t believe the uninformed hatred.
    
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    January 17, 2022 11:35am
    - Stu2
      
      No it doesn’t anymore.
      
      The feds sent Tennis Australia a letter in Nov which made that explicitly clear, double vaxxed or bust.
      
      But it wasn’t the tennis authorities that granted the initial visa, so raising that letter was a deflection. The letter was mentioned a number of times but not which organisation had granted the visa or why. Or why they ignored the federal requirement.
      
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      January 17, 2022 2:13pm
  - mawm
    
    lifesgood – and that is precisely why the media here and in Oz are stirring up a frenzy of hate.
    
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    January 17, 2022 1:26pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, the whole thing was stupid and was more to do with politics and compliance than it was health. He was showing up the mandates for the utter tosh they were, and the powers-that-be couldn’t have that. At least he has drawn attention to it, but from what I could see on FB more people were glad to see him go.
  
  Good for him for sticking up for himself. He may well be one of the few totally healthy tennis players still left. It could work in his favour later on when they all start getting ailments out of nowhere. It would be ironic if, after he goes, the players in Oz all test positive for Covid. They won’t be able to blame it on Novak though.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:49am
Sean OConnor

I say that the new slogan for covid protestors should be the simple:
“LET OMICRON IN”.

Let’s change the debate.
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January 17, 2022 10:06am
- MCōs
  
  That’s one way to make themselves even more unpopular than they already are.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:13am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Temporarily at worst. It’s coming anyway, it’s only 10% as severe as delta (so similar to the flu at worst), and overseas governments are rapidly retreating from most of the narratives they’ve been pushing here and switching to the sort of things we on the Right have been saying.
    
    Infection is inevitable, the vaccines won’t stop transmission, case numbers are inflated, etc, etc.
    As a blinded leftist, you don’t believe me, of course, but take a look at the discourse in the USA. Look at what your believed Biden and CDC officials are saying now. Go to the Atlantic or even CNN(!) and look at what they’re suddenly saying about Omicron.
    
    The narrative is collapsing and a wise man gets ahead of it to be proven right.
    
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    January 17, 2022 12:39pm
  - cmm
    
    MCos would you rather keep the “Deadly Delta” alive forever?
    
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    January 17, 2022 2:46pm
- Tony
  
  Yep, quite agree! I fully support anti-vaxxers right to die of covid!
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:53pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    What part of Omicron is no worse than the flu are you confused about, Tony?
    Do you expect 100% fatalities or something? Incidentally, two jabs gives you relatively little protection and, as the US CDC and UK NHS have conceded now, it doesn’t prevent transmission.
    What happened to Trust the Science, pal?
    
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    January 17, 2022 4:57pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ilt6jH9-c4

Singapore eyes China’s consumer banking business in ASEAN.

Singapore’s United Overseas Bank (UOB) is currently on a mad expansion spree. Singapore’s this largest bank is acquiring Citigroup’s consumer banking businesses in four Southeast Asian countries; namely Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia and Vietnam. The $3.6 billion deal will help UOB instantly expand its customer base by 2.4 million customers, taking the total to above 5.3 million. [6:08]
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January 17, 2022 10:22am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FosShFmph-s

Bye Bye BBC!

Well, the Culture secretary, Nadine Dorries has come out fighting and basically laid the ground for the future privatisation of the BBC. [10:26]
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January 17, 2022 10:22am
- MCōs
  
  There’s a lot more to the BBC than the bits unpopular with the political right.
  
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  January 17, 2022 11:19am
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Can’t think of too many, Top Gear , oh thats right they cancelled it, wrong demographic and type of people for the dear old Bebe.
    
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    January 17, 2022 6:39pm
Master Mariner

Interesting read,
https://grist.org/energy/coal-use-was-dying-then-2021-happened-carbon-emissions-rise/

“The return of coal shows that “the progress we’ve made over the past couple of decades is at the whims of energy markets,”

The first thing that pops into my mind is ” No shit Sherlock”.
And another interesting read,
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Life-After-Death-For-The-Coal-Industry.html

The best thing to ever happen to Fossil Energy sector is the “Green New Deal”.
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January 17, 2022 10:37am
Fletch

Is it the vax, the masks, the nasal swabs, or a combination?

A 60-fold increase in intracranial infections (5/month vs. 1 per year). Nobody can figure out why. Only started happening after the vaccines rolled out.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/intracranial-infection-cases-up-60?utm_source=pocket_mylist
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January 17, 2022 10:53am
- MCōs
  
  What does Steve Kirsch know, the bloke who reckons vaccines effect fertility?
  He invented optical mice.
  Should stick to his knitting and leave pontificating on covid-19 to the real experts, like that Rogan loud mouth.
  
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  January 17, 2022 2:57pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Yes, I’d much rather get your qualified opinion on all things COVID.
    
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    January 17, 2022 7:44pm
Fletch

Pelosi’s son trading on his name, the same as Hunter Biden, getting mixed up in deals with dubious companies.

EXCLUSIVE: Nancy Pelosi’s son Paul was involved in FIVE companies probed by the feds as shocking paper trail connects him to a slew of fraudsters and convicted criminals

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9827893/Nancy-Pelosis-son-Paul-involved-FIVE-companies-probed-feds.html

Par for the course with these people. Although it seems like Republican Mitch McConnell has his own productive deals with the Chinese.
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January 17, 2022 10:58am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  FIVE? That’s really bad luck!
  
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  January 17, 2022 7:08pm
RW Capitalist

WARNING

To all those with a Nespresso account.

There is scam doing the rounds offering promotional free stuff.
Hint…it costs more than $2 for p&p to anywhere in NZ.
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January 17, 2022 11:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Emails are full of scams these days. Another has just turned up for me from McAfee–we don’t use any of their products.
  
  A useful check is to “view source”. Frequently a set of numbers in the form of [148.105.12.156]) appears. That can be checked in your browser by a program called whois. A lot recently came via Serbia.
  
  Demands for only a few dollars are almost invariably a scam. A parcel awaiting delivery, that you never ordered?
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:08pm
bythesea

Latest “please explain” from Oz and this time its immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOXDX3KlKk

great sendup of poli’s and their populist bidding games.
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January 17, 2022 11:21am
ClanMcleod

A very good post on Bad Cattitude today. Don’t be fooled by the name or the images and humour if you open the page up. Very deceptive, it’s an excellent site with in depth data and research. It covers many topics.
This was a post about the failures of the US education system. It’s stark in it’s criticism. It’s also a good warning for NZ. With recent events emanating from our universities we are getting the early warning signs.
This is a paragraph, well worth reading the full article.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/taking-back-education

“we left our children alone for decades with an increasingly marxist and totalitarian group of evangelical indoctrinators. and they have run amok.

they have proselytized race, gender, and class war to our impressionable young ones and sought to induct them into collectivist cults and grievance cultures.

they have weaned them on self- hate, othering, intersectional division and conflict, and notions of gender, race, and health based original sin that demands contrition.

they instilled systems of imaginary structural oppression instead of encouraging and lauding achievement. self-improvement was shunted aside in favor of self-flagellation or self-pity.

they are not teaching they are preaching and their gospel is grotesque.”

An excellent read.
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January 17, 2022 12:08pm
Truman lodge

Experts call for flattening the curve in the herald this morning.

How is lockdown going to flatten the curve? I’m so angry as we did our bit in Auckland, got vaccinated to end lockdowns and now any day now lockdown is coming back. What is the point of locking down for months only to do it again… And again and again. Enough already just microchip us and ban private business and enforce communism because I’m tired.
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January 17, 2022 12:27pm
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t give into the Bastards!!!!
  
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  January 17, 2022 12:52pm
- mandk
  
  Looks like the PM has got you exactly where she wants. That’s a great shame.
  
  As for me, I’m not vaxxed and never will be. I haven’t ever scanned or signed in, at least not with my real details. And I will continue to enjoy my freedom, even though I’m banned from a lot of places – saves money, though.
  
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  January 17, 2022 12:59pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    Mandk
    
    I’m vaccinated but living as an unvaccinated person. I’m no longer at the gym or will go to places that require my papers. I regret getting vaccinated.
    
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    January 17, 2022 2:39pm
- MCōs
  
  Who said anything about lockdowns?
  There’s talk of a possible return to Code Red. That’s not a lockdown. Restrictions on numbers.
  
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  January 17, 2022 2:11pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    Traffic lights were set up for delta only… Super spread of omicron at orange or red makes no difference..
    
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    January 17, 2022 3:03pm
  - cmm
    
    Baker said the traffic lights are broken as a way to limit spread. He said it is only for coercion.
    Cindy, when asked, kept her options open for going back to the Level system.
    
    We can expect lockdowns again – it is just a matter of whether it is sooner or later.
    
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    January 17, 2022 3:19pm
    - MCōs
      
      Baker doesn’t make the decisions.
      As I said. Who’s talking about lockdowns?
      
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      January 17, 2022 9:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So what traffic light is lockdown?
    One not invented yet? Best ask Jaspinda, oh wait, she tells porkies
    
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    January 17, 2022 3:24pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Now living elsewhere, NZ on reflection is a dystopic state in comparison. Code Red is not a lockdown? Seriously you need to get to another less imprisioned society than NZ to be able to see clearly again.
    
    Oh you don’t want to leave NZ because you are fearful of not getting back in?
    
    Not locked down? Who are you kidding?
    
    Stop the fear, open NZ up. Stop trying to be little China or Cuzzie bro to Australia ( South China).
    
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    January 18, 2022 5:59am
- Surely Knott
  
  Does anyone know anyone who has Omicron? Where is the curve exactly? If we have to scan in then the least the govt could do is publish details on the clusters and where it is being caught.
  
  Today from the govt press release – not reported on the herald:
  Unvaccinated or not eligible (6 cases / 30%); partially immunised <7 days from second dose or have only received one dose (6 case / 30%); fully vaccinated at least 7 days before being reported as a case (7 cases / 35%); unknown (1 case / 5%).
  
  Observations: They have added kids to the unvaccinated stats. That is a very unusually high number of partially vaccinated cases since only about 2 percent of population between first and 2nd vax. Could the 1st vax stats include adverse events from the in the first 7 days after 2nd vax.
  
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  January 17, 2022 4:17pm
  - mawm
    
    There is a spike in covid cases after the first vaxx and if they fall in the first 14 days, which they do, they are counted as unvaxxed.
    
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    January 17, 2022 7:07pm
NZer In Exile

Big Tech SJW kiddies now demonetising (no advertsing revenue for you) WEBSITES that produce facts not aligned with their communist utopian objectives.

“Unreliable and harmful claims”: This website has been demonetized by Google.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2022/01/unreliable-and-harmful-claims-this-website-has-been-demonetized-by-google/

I hope Trump wins and puts a sword through these bloated and out of control big tech monstrosities (and for the triggered lunatics, that’s figuratively).
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January 17, 2022 12:48pm
- MCōs
  
  Some analysis on Roy Spencer.
  
  https://www.desmog.com/roy-spencer/
  
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  January 17, 2022 4:13pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Not analysis at all. Just narrative-gatekeeping by woke slander merchants. Wikipedia is also all about that.
    
    They pull that crap on any prominent scientist who isn’t onboard with the CAGW hypothesis.
    
    Maybe do some “analysis” on who is behind these smear sites.
    
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    January 17, 2022 7:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And no mention of the “Earth-Day” 2017 shooting attack on Spencer & Christy’s research establishment.
      
      https://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/04/shots-fired-into-the-christyspencer-building-at-uah/
      
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      January 17, 2022 8:12pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    ~~https://www.desmog.com/roy-spencer/~~ Pravda
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:25pm
Benedict Yu

Told you so 🙂

Thousands of parents rush to get their 5 year olds vaccinated on Day 1.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300497151/covid19-vaccination-centres-busy-as-children-queue-to-receive-their-first-jabs

90 percent of 12 – 16 year olds are vaccinated. It would not surprise me if the young kids get close to that.

I see Jacinda is back on deck.

“Vaccinating Māori and the elderly will be her focus she said, as New Zealand prepares for what is “inevitable”.:

Well you don’t need to worry about the elderly. They are 100 percent vaccinated or close to it.

Maori would be fine if a bunch of them could be bothered to go back for their second shot 🙂

And as for this clanger….

Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei told the government, “we want to be part of the solution and we need iwi and Māori solutions if this is going to work”.

“We will do what we have to do to keep our people alive.”” 🙂 🙂 🙂

Well I could list about 10 things you could start on to ‘keep Maori alive’ but vaccinating Maori 5 year olds for Covid would not be on my top 10.
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January 17, 2022 1:10pm
- Fletch
  
  I think it’s a huge mistake. They will injure kids. And with the medsafe reporting down to less than one a month (how convenient) it will be hard to tell what is going on. This is going to have a ripple effect for years to come far beyond the adverse effects we can actually see right now.
  
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  January 17, 2022 1:26pm
- Stu2
  
  Sourcing lots of rapid tests would be my #1.
  
  Bet we don’t have enough.
  
  And while MoH will claim we do, supplies on the ground will get exhausted quickly. Which will result in close contacts isolating unnecessarily (PCR tests will be near useless as under Omicron pressure results will take forever)
  
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  January 17, 2022 2:23pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    What’s the point in testing? It wont stop the spread of Omicron – given it’s extremely high rates of transmission everyone is going to get it, only uncertainty is when. Testing is pointless, put any energy that was going to be expended on that into getting vit D and zinc into people prior to infection (which will actually have some benefit).
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:29pm
- cmm
  
  “Told you so”
  
  Naah, fibs BY: IIRC you said you didn’t believe that parents would do this in large numbers.
  
  I told you they would. Most parents will avoid any risk of being thought to be bad parents and not doing everything possible for their children.
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:22pm
oldfella

According to a Stuffed story…
Welcomed to the Tāmaki Vaccination Centre by Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei, Ardern said from the paepae that “by the end of February 82 per cent of New Zealanders will have received their booster shot”.
For the 96% of us who don’t speak Te Reo, the paragraph provided a link to the word paepae.
When I checked, I found it has several meanings, including:
(a) to be cast ashore, wrecked, or stranded
(b) a horizontal beam of a latrine
(c) a shallow vessel
As they were talking about Cindy, I went for (c).
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January 17, 2022 1:21pm
- Ehlana
  
  Anyone else wondering what “a horizontal beam of a latrine” is? Do they mean the seat?
  
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  January 17, 2022 4:25pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  So what was it supposed to mean in the context of the story?
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The paepae technically is the threshold length of wood just before the entrance to the building.
    
    But it can also refer to the covered forecourt area of a building (i.e. a porch, verandah)
    
    In a wider (Polynesian) context.. it is the area where the speakers stand and proclaim…..i.e. sort of a podium
    
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    January 17, 2022 8:20pm
Fletch

I see that Jacinda has just had her booster shot (as far as we know) and is promoting it. I really don’t know why. From all accounts, the vaccine does little against Omicron – the virus we really want to have spread and give everyone natural immunity.
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January 17, 2022 1:55pm
- Stu2
  
  Early days, but it seems it is possible to get Omicron more than once. Lots of links, here is one
  
  https://www.news18.com/news/india/can-omicron-infect-you-twice-very-much-possible-say-experts-4661405.html
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:01pm
- MCōs
  
  “From all accounts, the vaccine does little against Omicron”
  
  What accounts would that be?
  Novak Djokovic Instagram account
  Brian Tamaki’s Freedom & Rights Facebook account
  Tucker Carlson Tik Toc account
  
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  January 17, 2022 4:00pm
Fisiani2

Ardern has just stated that when Omicron breaks out then NZ will go to red level restrictions. To hell with that. I’m triple jabbed. Free-dom!
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January 17, 2022 2:25pm
- Clownworld
  
  Some prisioners in NZ are “freer” than others…
  
  Although some special prisioners manage to leave when they want but come back when they want to.
  
  Hotel California plays in the distance…
  
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  January 18, 2022 6:46am
Lee C

Let meask you a question: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10220396499124197&set=p.10220396499124197&type=3
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January 17, 2022 2:26pm
Maggie Pie

These things are a bit of a worry…

My partner just showed me an email he received – from his OWN account!
God knows how they did that?
It was a demand he pay $1500 into an overseas bank account with Bitcoin….otherwise, the threat was “they’d send hacked videos to all his contacts of him pleasuring himself while he watched porn” 🙁

He just larfed and deleted it. If it was me, I would have probably paid it.
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January 17, 2022 2:36pm
- Lee C
  
  I’ll double it, Maggie.
  
  Also this:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D70kZDLGr4Q
  (it’s not porn, but watch it anyway)..
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Block sender. Oh wait you can not block yourself.
  I just delete and ignore the bastard. Sometimes I print it and put the page in the Spark store.
  The source is an arsehole in Spark
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:29pm
- Truman lodge
  
  Always put tape over your tablet or laptop webcam..
  
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  January 17, 2022 4:04pm
  - curry4me
    
    Truman lodge: Done long ago.
    
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    January 17, 2022 6:56pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Been having those for weeks.
  
  Had the local computer company put their hacking programme etc through and they said no.
  
  However changed all my bank passwords.
  
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  January 17, 2022 4:18pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING VID

Jacinda breaks silence on ClarkE’s attempt to get RATS for his mates….

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1482893445584732161

(Best watched with sound ‘off ‘ )
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January 17, 2022 3:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Breaks her silence to say nothing more will be said.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/01/covid-19-pm-jacinda-ardern-breaks-silence-over-clarke-gayford-s-alleged-attempt-to-get-rapid-antigen-tests-for-mates.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  
  That doesn’t explain anything does it?
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Air Force plane seems to be on a mission?
Cooks, Honolulu them USA mainland?
Who knows?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/nz7572#2a849df4
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January 17, 2022 3:37pm
- Dougal10
  
  The Mexican MP needs a ride home after his christmas holiday
  
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  January 17, 2022 3:53pm
- mandk
  
  It shows the destination as Victoria (near Vancouver), Canada.
  
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  January 17, 2022 4:00pm
  - mawm
    
    That’s on Vancouver Island. Just a hop away from Seattle. I wonder which teach billionaire lives there?
    
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    January 17, 2022 7:17pm
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… Where the plane goes next might be interesting.
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:51pm
Fletch

The threat is real, but not from Omicron…

“At some point we will see Omicron in the community,” [Jacinda Arden] said to reporters on Monday, ahead of receiving her booster vaccine dose.

Ardern said if there was an Omicron outbreak “we would look to move into red settings (in the traffic light system) as a way to slow down the spread”.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/17/omicron-in-nz-a-matter-of-when-not-if-jacinda-ardern/

NO. Just, NO.
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January 17, 2022 4:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sad, but it is what it is – Brandon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP3k42LGfqg
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January 17, 2022 4:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Description? Read the link.
https://rumble.com/vs1sft-dan-bongino-its-no-coincidence-25-house-dems-arent-running-in-2022.html?
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January 17, 2022 4:33pm
iMP

Jailing TAMAki for 1o days for speaking at a protest? Are the police and Govt mad!!?. This will make him a martyr and embolden his “us v them” ideology; tyrannous govt; freedom of expression raisin d’être. Don’t add petrol to a Tamaki bbq.
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January 17, 2022 4:56pm
- David Garrett
  
  iMP: Yes indeed…but regardless of the “martyr effect” this is outrageous. Jail this conman, but ignore gang members blatantly breaching association rules because, said Coster: “It’s too dangerous for our staff to confront such a large group”.
  
  Police Commissioners of old would have pulled in as many staff as necessary to arrest and charge all of the bastards. I am no fan of Tamaki – quite the opposite – but this is outrageous.
  
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  January 17, 2022 5:51pm
- MCōs
  
  Tamaki is on remand because he can’t be trusted to abide by bail conditions.
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:02pm
  - David Garrett
    
    MCos: That is so…but one of our criminal law brethren might like to comment on how often their clients are actually put in the pokey for not abiding by bail conditions. I would be interested in knowing.
    
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    January 17, 2022 6:40pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Tamaki is an enemy of the state.
    
    He is perfect cannon fodder.
    He helped promote vaccine.
    He made money with vaccination drive throughs.
    He is a succesful business/church/conman( depending on your worldviews)
    He in the obscene absence of libertarians and conservatives and religious leaders spoke against the removal of freedoms.
    He sounds like an extrovert version of the quiet talented tennis player who also promoted and gave money to help people get the vaccine.
    
    Terrible enemy of the narrative and yet duplicitious in actions.
    
    God help NZ if this is the strawman used by the woke left to destroy any daring rationale argument against mandates.
    
    Perhaps Tamaki is on a secret pay rate for the govt?
    
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    January 18, 2022 6:58am
CAKE FACE1

CAKE is desperate to have Baker, Pinky, Plank, Jackson, Hendy and all the other rent an “expert” melons out of my life.

Finally, there is a small light at the end of the tunnel.

After Omicron has ripped through the population, my hope is that all the restrictions are gone. Furthermore, my hope and expectation is that all the “experts” will go disappear – forever.

Please don’t be a dream stealer. Let me live with my hopes and dreams. I cannot face a lifetime listening to clowns…
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January 17, 2022 5:04pm
Geoff1

A blood donor for many years, have a face covering exemption and donated without a mask at the last donation 16 Sep 21. The appointment on 16 Dec 21, completed normal pre-donation admin, name, DOB address and completed the form and sat down.
Whilst seated a nurse at the rear of the counter stated loudly “Put a mask on we can’t have people without a mask” then disappeared to seek a male nurse to take me for interview.
He stated “I see you have a Ministry of Health exemption card, the Blood Donor Centre does not except them”
I said “OK” and walked out.
Obviously the blood of people not wearing masks is unclean/unfit for use whereas mask wearing purifies the blood.
Silly me.
!7 Jan 22 Blood Donor Centre rang to make an appointment when asked if they accept a face covering exemption the answer was no that is the current policy. When advised that their policy is inconsistent where 16 Sep 21 situation normal 16 Dec 21 do not accept face covering exemption then 17 Jan 22 attempting to arrange an appointment.
The caller said she is not a trained medical person she would get one of the nurses to clarify the issue. A short time later the nurse rang and traversed the same inconsistencies and was hopeful that things would change (wishful thinking).
The result was we agreed that those with face covering exemption are no longer blood donors – particularly at a time when the Blood Donor Centre(s) are crying out for blood and plasma donors
Unintended consequences.
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January 17, 2022 5:04pm
- David Garrett
  
  Geoff1:
  
  Obviously the blood of people not wearing masks is unclean/unfit for use whereas mask wearing purifies the blood.
  
  Jesus…that has to be one of the biggest absurdities in his whole circus of absurdities
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:20pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I congratulate you for your efforts to donate your blood on a regular basis.
  
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  January 17, 2022 10:09pm
iMP

…and then the delicious irony of Jacinda welcomed to the Tāmaki Vaccination Centre by Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei.
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January 17, 2022 5:07pm
lifesgood

I have no idea why Jacinda decided to go to Glen Innes today to get her booster jab. Jumped a big queue to get it too. You would think she would go to her own electorate. I guess she felt safe among the Labour voters.
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January 17, 2022 5:14pm
lifesgood

When are NZers going to start screaming and yelling about this prison we have been forced into. I am sick to the back teeth with it but most people seem to just shrug their shoulders and not really care. In a way I hope we do get told we’re back in lockdown, it should be the final nail in Jacinda’s coffin, figuratively speaking of course.
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January 17, 2022 5:26pm
- Pavel
  
  I noticed in the news today that England is about to ditch the vaccine passes as most people have had covid and their over it. Don’t panic, everything comes to pass.
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:53pm
- doggone7
  
  They call them ‘corrections facilities’ these days. Which one are you in?
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:53pm
MCōs

If anyone is the slightest bit interested Thamanat Prompow, who I mentioned the other day on account of his being in the Thai Cabinet despite having spent time in prison in Australia for importing heroin, has lost a by election and is out of parliament, maybe.
His Wikipedia page is very interesting.
He looks all neat and tidy in his military uniform, if a little fleshy. In reality he’s as bad as any of our gang leaders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamanat_Prompow
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January 17, 2022 5:50pm
Maggie Pie

Nothing on TVEwes about all the kids fainting on the North Shore after getting jabbed!!

And Apostle Brian tossed to the Lions 🙁
As my partner just said….he can think of some real low b*stards walking the streets that need to be locked up before a Man-of-God is imprisoned for attending a Supper!!
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January 17, 2022 6:26pm
- Pavel
  
  Have you got any evidence of kids fainting after the jab? I’m not trolling you I’m genuinely interested.
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:51pm
  - Fletch
    
    I have video of Liz Gunn question 1 News on why they won’t report it. The 5 kids collapsed at the North Shore Eventfiner Stadium. Instead of calling ambulances, the vax staff got the parents to quietly take the kids off to hospital so as not to alarm other parents.
    
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    January 17, 2022 8:20pm
    - MCōs
      
      How do you know those kids fainted?
      What I have read on Twitter is that antivaxxers have been harassing people queuing up in cars with their kids for vaccines with their own brand of ‘information’.
      
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      January 17, 2022 9:50pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  TRENDING
  
  Liz Gunn implored TVOne reporter to investigate kids passing out….they scurried off in the opposite direction 🙁
  
  https://twitter.com/LivnUndaATyrant/status/1482950403046383622
  
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  January 17, 2022 6:54pm
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest someone is spinning a yarn.
    There’s nothing there, but hearsay and Liz Gunn gets a little passionate at times.
    
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    January 17, 2022 9:47pm
Chuck Bird

I saw an Aussie lawyer on Sky News saying how bad it was for Djokovic to be kicked out not for being a health risk but for his views expressed outside Oz on vaccinations.
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January 17, 2022 7:29pm
- fernglas
  
  He was not a health risk. He complied with the border restrictions and entered legally. He was kicked out because he might set a bad example. By being extremely fit and healthy, he is in fact a great example to those obese people who make up over 80% of ICU Covid patients. Do I hear any world leader preventing the obese from accessing fast food outlets, or insisting that people lose weight to qualify for state benefits? No?? Why on earth not?
  I suggest that obesity is at least as likely as vaccination status to cause adverse Covid outcomes. Ask the British consultant who is not getting vaccinated. The ICU’s are filled with the fat.
  If the views of a man whose job is hitting a ball over a net are a threat to Australian social order, it must be a pretty pathetic society.
  
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  January 17, 2022 7:56pm
Clownworld

Who knows the mind of Ardern or anyone else?
We can make rational guesses based on their actions , as past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour.

As for what people say, it only tells you a story, not a fact. What they don’t say is as valid q predictor as what they say.

Fortunately humans are unpredictable,it makes even Ardern capable in future of doing the opposite of what she has done in the past. However less and less likely as repeated behaviour is of course more likely to form a habit. Under pressure even those who become better at doing whatever it is they do,can come undone more easily.

Based on Ardern’s short life so far , the real question is why doesn’t she admit her obvious lies? To say she never lied in politics was the biggest lie. Now nothing she says is believed by many people.

It used to be just those who were anti-Labour , now her previous voters ( many who I have conversed with) all admit she dissappointed them and many are dubious in partucular of the next lockdown due vs her wedding.

It could be that Ardern is actually very resilient and the story behind her anxiety and even her own words are just a deflection to help feed an underestimatation of her cruel emphatic side….like ” yep”… in refefence to dividing NZ into two new classes of people.

Or perhaps she is fearful, which could be worse. A cornered rat has what options left?
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