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Fletch

[we have long had rules about personal appearance attacks, don’t repeat or you’ll be subject to reprimand – Mod]
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December 12, 2021 10:00am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  [you know very well that we have long standing rules against comments about personal appearance. Don’t try it again – Mod]
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:58am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    I think I may have been harshly done by. I commented on her eyebrows, which are clearly manipulated (something that is entirely within her control). I didn’t say she looks like a monkey (sorry David, that might get your comment in the poo, but I reckoned mine was rather innocuous).
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:06pm
- David Garrett
  
  Fletch: Jesus…why do people do this? Demi Moore now looks like a monkey; Meg Ryan looks like an alien…both beautiful women in their day, made ridiculous by trying to negate aging.
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:58am
- dime
  
  [we have long had rules about personal appearance attacks, don’t repeat or you’ll be subject to reprimand – Mod]
  
  Unless they are red heads? cause then DPF is all over that shit
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:10pm
Tony Stuart

Many of Sharon Murdoch’s cartoons are of dubious quality, but she’s nailed James Shaw’s relationship with the Labour Party today

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/94869389/sharon-murdoch-cartoons
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January 12, 2022 8:02am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Is aotearoa’s msm now showing that it’s definitely 100% Labour (and only occasionally supportive of the Greens)?
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    No, with the literally daily dose of climate catastrophism they sure are keeping the Greens strong at the polls.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:41am
  - pdm
    
    Suze I did not realise that mythical place Aotearoa had media.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:48am
  - cmm
    
    Can Green set them up with another $55M? Nope.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:52am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Absolutely. When all else fails, follow the money…
      
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      January 12, 2022 9:48am
- Colville
  
  A picture tells a thousand words..
  
  I cant think of that many but here are a few…
  
  Sycophant.
  Lick spittle.
  Brownnoser
  Yes man. (with a small m)
  Suck up.
  Lap dog.
  Parasite.
  
  anyone help me out here?
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:16am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO the West has the weakest leaders in over 50 years of my following politics. We know about our own so no point adding any further comment. Morrison is probably the best of a bad bunch. At least he is standing up against China’s trade attacks, Climate Change, wokeness and cancel culture.
  In the UK we have Boris lead by the balls by his wife Carrie who is green woke and left wing. In France Macron like the French is all over the place totally confused. In Germany Scholz is following on from Merkel knowing Putin can pull the energy plug at any time and plunge Germany along with Europe and UK into economic collapse.
  Biden, a confused President whose supporters are suffering major buyers remorse.
  
  I predict by the end of the century China and Russia will control the West thru their combined economic and military might. Apart from Taiwan and parts of western Russia they wont take any territory. They wont have to. They will reshape the political landscape in Western countries by controlling their economies.
  
  Political and business leaders will have handed them control on a plate. In the case of NZ by not following the first rule of business……….. dont put all your eggs in one basket.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:30am
  - Jimbob
    
    It’s sad a man runs a country with his little head.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:54am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    How many of those “leaders”, like Ardern, are graduates from the Klaus Schwab Global Young Leader programme at the WEF? Quite a few. There’s a pattern.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:58am
  - Aunty
    
    I agree with some of your assessment but not all. Certainly the West is in its weakest position that it has been in since the start of the second world war. Barbarians are already at the gate (the Woke and the Left), and our enemies in Russia and China are just waiting to take full advantage of the ensuring chaos and decline. Who needs to fire a shot when your enemy is tearing themselves apart? Let them do the work for you and sweep in when they are at their lowest ebb.
    
    And with a Mafia Don in charge in Russia and a malignant despot to rival Hitler in China, I think the world is the nearest to war that it has been in in a generation. And I think the risk of war in the next decade is seriously underestimated by most.
    
    The economic consequences of all this however is where I disagree with you. Russia and to a lessor extent China is almost entirely dependent economically on the West. Russia in particular is in a very precarious position as it derives almost all of its coin from the sale of oil and gas. Yes, it can cut the pipeline to Europe off, but then, where is it going to get its money from? So to do that it would be cutting off its noise to spite its face. Yes, you might say that it could sell it to China. But that kind of switch doesn’t just happen overnight. So that is not an short term option.
    
    And as for the issue of China. It faces challenges too. If war broke out because of the malign actions of the CCP, much of its economy fails to have a purpose, although it has sufficient depths of reserves to keep itself going and to fight on for a long time. But it still faces the challenge of feeding 1/5 of the world’s population on 8% of its arable land while fighting a war on fronts that it is not used to. The sea and the air. And it would of course forfeit (to the US) it’s 1 trillion dollars of US treasury bonds. And that would hurt.
    
    But when you have despots and mafia dons, I’m not sure if one can expect rational actors when it comes to economic matters…..
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You know the scary thing is, when you compare the “despots and mafia dons” to what’s masquerading as leaders in the west the baddies certainly seem to be doing a better job. Biden, Bojo, Ardern?
      As for Russia and money, I’m guessing as a sovereign nation they can just do like America and print as much as they need. ??
      
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      January 12, 2022 12:56pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    “In Germany Scholz is following on from Merkel knowing Putin can pull the energy plug at any time and plunge Germany along with Europe and UK into economic collapse.”
    With now Gas considered “Green” in Germany , I was wondering why now?
    Is it because Merkle has departed or Creative accounting for Climate Targets.
    I’m Picking both, As I’m sure No Gas is better than expensive Gas mid Winter.
    Out of Interest USA is now #1 in Gas exports.
    “Drill baby Drill” will be Bidens “catch phrase”.
    Wonder how long before the looneys here catch on.?
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    Unfortunately, all this will fall on the deaf ears of those in authority in the West. This includes our excuse for a PM and her sidekick Foreign Minister.
    That said, maybe this is what the pair of them and others of their ilk are working towards?
    
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    January 12, 2022 11:33am
  - kowtow
    
    scomo stands for nothing
    
    As for the China thing ; I suspect he’s been put up to it by the Yanks with a promise of some sort of backing .
    
    Bedda watch his back though , the US Establishment is only innerested in Numero Uno.
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:12pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yes, but has there ever been a coalition partner who hasn’t done the same? After all, to get anything from the major party, you have to give away pretty much everything else. And is it better to be in a position to get something of your agenda through, or stay outside of Government and get nothing?
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:55am
  - Bob
    
    better to be in a position ……
    to get a salary and perks, that no employer in the real world would offer you.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:23am
  - crikey
    
    Stay outside, take your salary (thank you very much) and cruise.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:52am
- 103PapPap
  
  I’m not sure I would describe Sharon Murdoch’s graphic drawings as ‘cartoons’.
  Cartoons imply humour. I have never, ever, laughed at a Murdoch graphic drawing.
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:56am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    She must be the world’s most unfunny ‘cartoonist’, and she can’t draw. Why Stuffed employs her I cannot imagine.
    
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    January 12, 2022 12:16pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Capt: They employ her because the really talented ones like Malcolm Evans and Garrick Tremain are the opposite of woke and we are a small country without a lot of talent in cartooning
      
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      January 12, 2022 12:46pm
      - igm
        
        Imagine Heath and Lodge recognising these wokes as cartoonists.
        
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        January 12, 2022 1:03pm
cmm

The cops have heaps of time and resources to hunt down someone making weak threats to Cindy, but somehow have no time to deal with the KO residents that threaten the good citizens of the neighbourhood.

Certainly nobody, including Cindy, should be threatened but is she really at that much risk? She has a highly trained, armed, personal security detail. There is a firearm ready to be drawn to defend her in a second or two.

How about the old people being threatened by KO residents? Where’s their body guard? Where are the firearms to defend them?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-investigating-threat-against-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-delivered-to-kerikeri-homes/5P4GZIN3GGVF25FYIH3MCHAXPQ/
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January 12, 2022 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That would be an appropriate and sensible use of resources, under Labour and Ardern? Don’t be silly! It’s all about the princess!
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:09am
  - oldfella
    
    Talking of the princess… this popped into my inbox this morning.
    
    “Lemon Pickers Needed” – ad in the newspaper.
    Ms. Sally Mulligan of Papakura, Auckland, read it, and decided to apply for one of the jobs that most New Zealanders are not willing to do.
    She submitted her application for a job in Te Puke as a Lemon Fruit picker, but seemed far too qualified for the job.
    She has a liberal arts degree from the University of Wellington , and a master’s degree from Otago.
    For a number of years, she had worked as a social worker, and also as a school teacher.
    The owner studied her application, frowned, and said, “I see that you are well educated, and have an impressive resume.
    “However, I have to ask you, have you had any actual experience in picking lemons?”
    “Well, as a matter of fact, I have,” she said… “I’ve been divorced three times, owned two Fords, voted twice for Winston, and once for Jacinda.”
    She started work yesterday.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I see you changed something there.
      I got this by email. Your change is good!
      
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      January 12, 2022 2:23pm
- Lee C
  
  It’s called ‘Socialism for the Wealthy’, cmm.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    Socialism 101.
    
    Substitute Chairman, Prime Minister, President etc for King.
    
    Substitute “Average citizen” for peasant.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:38am
  - Fishing in the dark
    
    Soon the final bill arrives on everyone’s door step other than these corrupted politicians, gangs, they enjoy a real freedom, a tax exemption also an exemption for returning illegal weapons.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:11am
- rouppe
  
  The police aren’t really the best agency to deal with this KO problem.
  
  If there have been threats to kill, or threats to stab, sure a formal warning is in order.
  
  But the best agency to deal with this is KO, by formally documenting the acts with a view to evict. There are more people needing housing than houses, so get the worst behaving tenants out, and get more deserving tenants in.
  
  It only takes some steel for a short time to either modify behaviour or eliminate the problem
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:25am
  - alloytoo
    
    I think we should house all of these anti-socials in the CBDs.
    
    Once large corporations and retailers move out there will be plenty of space.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:39am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      To late already happened, have you been down Queen Street lately.
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:01am
  - kowtow
    
    If a crime is committed then it is a police matter .
    
    But Coster , in that stuff opinion piece has said “discretion” is the key . So that and no doubt active protection under the treaty is their excuse for neglecting their prime duty of upholding the law, impartially.
    
    ‘Our model of policing is underpinned by the concept of discretion, exactly because the law applied without judgment can lead to worse outcomes than the harm at which the law is directed in the first place. The application of discretion is an art, not a science, and it is therefore open to debate whether discretion has been applied the right way.’
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:46am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m more than happy to debate the proposition that the Police have not applied discretion the right way, taking the affirmative!
      
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      January 12, 2022 9:49am
    - dannz
      
      Police definitely, they could even arrange “housing” for 7 years
      https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330785.html
      
      Does prison cost any more to run than social housing for these people?
      
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      January 12, 2022 1:33pm
  - cmm
    
    Both agencies should be involved and act.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:54am
    - rouppe
      
      Sure, but the agency that has the most influence over the conditions of the property and neighbours is KO
      
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      January 12, 2022 9:00am
    - zulumonster
      
      Absolutely both should be involved. If only KO are involved, say to evict, the perpetrators will only move elsewhere and continue their “unsocial” behaviour.
      
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      January 12, 2022 9:10am
      - rouppe
        
        Only if KO re house them. Which it wouldn’t if I was calling the shots
        
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        January 12, 2022 9:38am
      - pdm
        
        rouppe – Carmel, Poto, Megan and others from the Cabinet will tell you that you must house them.
        
        Cannot have essential Labour voters unhoused.
        
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        January 12, 2022 10:00am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Threatening to kill, formal warming?????
    
    They should be charged with threatening to kill, you don’t go around threating to kill people, end of story.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:03am
  - Bob
    
    modify behaviour…..
    back in the 1950’s era behaviour modification was a parental and school responsibility, in that order.
    Worked very well from my observation of a few recalcitrant youths.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:25am
Lee C

Staff shortages: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/part-of-dunedins-queen-mary-maternity-hospital-closed-due-to-staff-shortage/?fbclid=IwAR0NL5_L7Ew3iTMoO7VDuaaePeGD84GYHhuxJpndBrkRKHx65buEdTZUn-M
Oh, and BFD responds to Wiles’ hypocracy’
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/01/10/amazing-huge-hippo-seen-crying-crocodile-tears/?fbclid=IwAR1uz98wvAzswVjOYgmDHHyIKyOsNABWuB6SZoI-RacKdDTdLibVLP6lbE8
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January 12, 2022 8:08am
- Nickc2
  
  Oh, what a hypocritical (insert own word). If she can’t handle the ridicule, she should stay out of the limelight.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:17am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m not quite sure what you mean?
    Do you think anyone who expresses an informed opinion is fair game for personal abuse not related to the subject?
    Do you think super market workers, for example, should be abused if they ask a customer to put on a mask?
    Yesterday I saw a clip of someone abusing a bartender in Las Vegas. The bartender & his offsider grabbed the guy and beat the shit out of him.
    That would be a fun approach to the problem in the mean streets of NZ.
    
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    January 12, 2022 12:02pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Wiles doesn’t do informed opinion, she’s a media “personality” paid to promote a narrative. Supermarket workers shouldn’t have to enforce idiotic government policy that has nothing to do with health, but is all about an optic to support a bullcrap narrative.
      Ardern has shown herself adept at bullying others and nothing else.
      
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      January 12, 2022 1:06pm
      - MCōs
        
        Is that an informed opinion or just a personal rant?
        
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        January 12, 2022 1:11pm
    - Nickc2
      
      FYI, there are books called Dictionaries. Suggest you get accustomed to using them.
      
      Your examples cite ‘abuse’
      Abuse is defined as:
      To treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
      
      I used the word ‘ridicule’
      Ridicule is defined as>
      To subject to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.
      
      Here endeth the lesson.
      
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      January 12, 2022 1:15pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  1. Vaccine mandates have impacted on all sorts of businesses. Mandates are just wrong on every level.
  
  2. Wiles wants more than her 15 minutes of fame, I imagine the Police have investigated all her complaints and are in the process of prosecuting all these people.
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:09am
Yvette

Calls grow for rāhui to have greater legal recognition
A group representing 80 iwi is calling for greater legal recognition of rāhui, similar to Covid-19 restrictions, to prevent people from ignoring them …
“Covid restrictions is a form of rāhui, if you breach it, the law of today has the ability to imprison you, that’s how serious it is,” says Dame Naida Glavish, Iwi Chairs’ spokesperson.
“There is not that same consideration for the value of rāhui.”

In other countries, are “Covid restrictions a form of rāhui”? – in countries which may not even have heard of the rāhui concept – or a matter of international medical science?
Rāhui are an example of the recent, and on-going argument of the place of Maori science set beside ‘Western’ science.

The article [1] itself enlarges the matter into the realm which to actual science, isn’t science –
Warning signs were put up at the Ahimate Reserve by local iwi Rangitāne, to signify the rāhui, following recent drownings in that part of the river.
But Chris Whaiapu of Manawatū iwi Rangitāne says a lot of people continued to swim there.
“The purpose of the rāhui was primarily out of respect for the families and the missing.”
Whaiapu says as a result of people still swimming in the river, a second set of fatalities occurred.

And – The Iwi Chairs Forum has made a direct approach to the Prime Minister, calling for rāhui to be given greater legal recognition. Why? – why not follow the course of any proposed law, or law change – or does this need an empathetic, perhaps intuitive, impulsive response?

“Do not drink or swim in water that may have a decomposing body just upstream”, may be health “science”, and should apply to cows and other European introduced animals as well as humans missing until they are located, but “Harm will befall you” perhaps upstream as well, if you break a rāhui, may not be science”. And why do there seem to be no rāhui for motor deaths?

And perhaps bearing in mind the television double series MATAKU [2] and the sense of breaking a tapu – sacred lore to further protect “the mauri or life-force of an area is thought be affected when there has been a loss of life” – has supposedly its own “inevitable” consequence, as alluded to above – a second set of fatalities occurred – would fining a rāhui violator be a substitutionary punishment or additional to that inherent in the traditional belief – should, in theory, someone be punished twice (European ‘tikanga’, most likely a fine, then Maori, harm or death)?

[1] https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/11/calls-grow-for-rahui-to-have-greater-legal-recognition/
[2] http://www.australiantelevision.net/newzealand/mataku_episodeguide.html

Related matter: See the Bishop Apostle Brian Tamaki theory on homosexual activity in Christchurch causing an earthquake in Kaikoura
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January 12, 2022 8:09am
- rouppe
  
  Rahui are now being used for more than just protecting oneself from dead bodies upstream.
  
  There are already means to close fisheries that have been poached dry. Don’t need to use a Rahui.
  
  There are already means to close dangerous areas. Don’t need a Rahui.
  
  If Maori don’t want to swim in a river where someone died, fine. That’s their culture and belief structure, not mine.
  
  Don’t see Rahui on roads where someone has died. Don’t see rahui in hospitals where someone has died.
  
  It’s become a means for control
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And of course..
  
  Who has the authority to impose and lift a rāhui?
  
  For how long can a rāhui be imposed?
  
  Can rāhui be imposed on living people? (like a fatwa)
  
  Hirini Moko Mead even suggested, back in 1979, that a kind of “political” rāhui could be placed on Māori rugby players who had been chosen to play in apartheid-era South Africa, to prohibit them from playing there.
  https://e-tangata.co.nz/comment-and-analysis/rahui-mana-and-peter-ellis/
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:34am
  - alloytoo
    
    Sounds bit like Ex-communication as well.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    What role would “koha” have in said schemes ?
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:15am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Except South Africa declined to have the Maori rugby team, because it was selected on a basis of race.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:12am
- rangitoto
  
  It’s a religious restriction like a fatwa. NZ laws should be secular.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:10am
- nathie
  
  What are the unintended consequences? Could one of them be citizens taking Iwi to court because the “mauri or life force” of “their” rivers took the lives of people innocently swimming in the river?
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:22am
- cmm
  
  “Being Maori” and obeying Maori customs should be treated like any other set of voluntary cultural rules.
  
  The edicts of the Catholic Church on condom usage or eating fish on Fridays are voluntary and only apply to those that choose so. Ditto Jews and Kosher or Muslims and Halal.
  
  If these get enforced in law then we are no longer a secular state. We become one of those fanatic states where people can be stoned to death for having a bacon sandwich.
  
  We already have the Maori Warden system which is bad enough.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:24am
  - Fishing in the dark
    
    this is only happen, because the media and certain political groups try to make hay while the sun is shining and dumb people listen to this garbage.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:16am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Maori science. As absurd as complaining dog poo on Te Haumi beach would contaminate the shellfish beds. It’s huge with a massive tidal flow up the Wakare inlet past Opua.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:27am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  “Calls grow”. That’s code for a small minority of screaming skull activists want something. They should have the “NO” button pushed on them forthwith.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:57am
ClanMcleod

More evidence emerging that chief snake oil salesman, Tony Fauci, knows more about the “gain of function”, covid lab leak. Fact Check: this is a conspiracy theory. Mr Fauci has an impeccable record of dedicated service to the public health……..//
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January 12, 2022 8:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Whoops, forgot the link. Apparently this is new information regarding the Fauci connection to Wuhan and “gain of function” research.
  
  https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Here’s some of the original. Fauci is an adventurist money-maker first and foremost.
  https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about-gain-of-function-contradict-fauci-testimony-under/
  
  They seem to have been attempting to recreate an aids type virus. Success. Reports now are confirming that two shots is reducing the immune system ability to 1/8 of original. A third will finish it off.
  People of all ranks are collapsing suddenly without warning.
  
  What’s next?
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:11am
Maggie Pie

And what about that ex Dutch flight attendant and now Labor list MP, Marja Lubeck ?

Quite superstitious by the sound of it 😎

Apparently just before Christmas, she was overheard saying to fellow list MP Ricardo March….”Let me touch you for luck”

https://twitter.com/molly2910/status/1480693099131146241
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January 12, 2022 8:11am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ve asked her to pick my Lotto numbers for tonight 😀
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I reckon using DJ Dimension would be a better bet
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300488326/covid19-dj-dimension-on-third-border-exemption-to-nz-since-december-2020
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:50am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – for you as a known National Party Member she will send them to you after each draw.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:51am
  - Bob
    
    Mine too!, hope they are not the same numbers.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:30am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes , Its a bloody shambles when non nationalised NZ’ers get “special privileges” over NZ born citizens.
  Bring on Grounded Kiwis court case.
  Still NZ seafarers are abandoned overseas or either can not get to work to join.
  And now Fuller ferries have to reduce services due to lack of staff.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bring it on indeed. I’m planning to attend the High Court hearing.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:11am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Ms Lubeck must be a New Zealand citizen, or she would not be allowed to be an MP.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:52am
    - Mags
      
      And I think the Dutch do not allow dual citizenship, and wasn’t there an issue similar a few years back? Harry Dunhoven? Had to have retroactive legislation to allow him to be an MP.
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:11am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, Should of re phrased better Tony, But in all honesty , I’m that bloody angry the keyboard was bouncing.
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:45am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    One is hoping the Court follows the BoRs HR Acts and takes account of NZ signature to international laws when deciding the Grounded Kiwis case. Alas I am not confident given the revisionist nature of the Judicary and its lack of independence.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:53am
- Paulus
  
  Can we assume that the Taxpayer did not fund any of her holiday – and/or did she get a staff cheapy through an ex colleague.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:53am
pdm

My god CMM – heaven forbid that a bunch of Old Age Pensioners in Housing New Zealand (I can never remember its new name) took to the Mongrel Mob etc with shotguns and AK47’s.

Police would be there in truck loads.

After all they (the Police) are apparently defending a Mongie house overnight in Christchurch.

Cannot have Jacinda’s new best friends under threat from anyone.
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January 12, 2022 8:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I think you’ll find Police were guarding the site overnight because it was a crime scene after a suspicious fire there yesterday:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300493846/muffled-explosions-heard-during-fire-at-twostorey-house-in-coastal-suburb
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:22am
- cmm
  
  Reading the stories a few days ago about the oldies being harrassed by the KO scum it is far too easy to see the old gent saying to himself: “Bugger it, at 94 I’ve had a good life and enough of this shit and am going to do something about it. I nearly died in a trench in WW2 and everything since has been gravy. If the cops won’t do their job then someone must.”
  
  It would be really sad if government inaction drove someone to that point, but it is a distinct possibility.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:37am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It’s a shame that Clint Eastwood’s not living adjacent to troublesome KO housing.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:02am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yes indeed, he could go ahead, and make their day!
      
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      January 12, 2022 9:53am
    - pdm
      
      Roy Rogers, Gene Autry and the Earps at his side.
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:04am
    - Littletramp
      
      Channeling Michael Caine in “Harry Brown”?
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:06am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: Quite so. I have a client who somewhat resembles the profile you have given. He is paying me to prosecute a somewhat hopeless case because as he says “I can’t take it with me and if I see X in the dock I will die happy.”
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

Scientists call for a halt to funding any more climate-change research….

we question whether it is our “duty” to use public funds to continue to refine the state of climate change knowledge (which is unlikely to lead to the actions required),

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/459387/scientists-call-for-a-moratorium-on-climate-change-research-until-governments-take-real-action

So noble of them…..

I have a feeling 1000s of scientists who work in the climate-change field aren’t going to agree.
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January 12, 2022 8:12am
- alloytoo
  
  Sounds like settled science……AKA religion.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:19am
  - surfing
    
    I assure you that climate science is not settled.
    
    You need to read this to change your views…
    
    https://vermontbiz.com/news/2021/july/27/mcclaughry-climate-science-settled-absolutely-not
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:07am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  All sucking on Government teats and pretending advocacy is research. Complete failure to recognise science is fact based not political.
  
  Solutions will be found by entrepreneurs and engineers, not by scientist/politicians.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:38am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Dr John Campbell, as informative as ever:
https://youtu.be/u2N0cP3A-qU?t=1237
Omicron is nearing peak in UK and ventilated ICU patients still only about 900, not going up at all during the omicron wave.

That is the last piece of info needed about Omicron to say that NZ can safely let it run through our population. In NZ terms that is only about 70-80 ICU beds, which is well within our hospital systems (tiny) capacity to handle. We should bring in Omicron now get everyone on Vit D and zinc and expose as many healthy people as possible to make best use of our summer health.
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January 12, 2022 8:14am
- Cinematic
  
  The Omicron is a common cold. Clear as day.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m a little more cautious. Yes, omi is more mild than Delta, but much like the indigenous Mexican population and the cocoliztli epidemics, we have been locked away in Ardern’s little hermit kingdom and will have low seroprevalence as a consequence. That, and high vaxx rate plus negative vaccine efficiency makes for an interesting few months.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kk, spot on. My post on it has a link to a Daily Sceptic article pointing out the same concerns.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:32am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Kind of like an own goal, we did it to ourselves.
    
    This is what jack boot Jacinda meant by being kind.
    
    No covid was a convenient excuse to consolidate power.
    
    Power she will not want to give back.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:24am
  - dannz
    
    The vaccine is still considerably reducing hospitalisation rates for Omicron, so high vax rates will be a major advantage.
    
    Also there’s not good evidence of negative vaccine efficacy. Any studies that have shown it so far are skewed by self selection of whether to vaccinate or not.
    
    Further it seems likely that Delta outcompetes Omicron among the unvaxxed, giving misleading infection rates if you only look at Omicron.
    
    NZ is as ready for Omicron as it ever will be.
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:48pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I agree with all of that, but there could be cause for concern. Though it is concern that was warned about by many at the beginning of this nightmare.
  
  “There’s little doubt that Omicron is causing milder disease in the U.K., as well as in South Africa, Denmark, and many other places.
  
  However, what’s going on in Australia? ICU admissions have shot up as Omicron has taken hold (see above), as have deaths (see below). Bear in mind 77% of the population are double-vaccinated and it’s the middle of summer there.”
  
  https://dailysceptic.org/2022/01/10/if-omicron-is-so-mild-why-are-icu-admissions-skyrocketing-in-australia/
  
  This is potentially worrying information.
  NZ has been hiding under the bed for almost 2 years. Social distancing, excessive hygiene, masking and lockdowns have seen our immune systems become compromised.
  
  Ardern has failed. She failed to give people the information and the basic tools to improve their personal health situation. She failed to do a single thing to improve the health system’s ability to cope with an outbreak of disease. She dumped pandemic preparedness policies that were used for many decades by countries, including NZ around the world. In favour of a massive experiment.
  She bet everything on an experimental “vaccine” using a new technology. Technology that had been worked on for 20 years but was never able to get approval for use in the public. For very good reason, it was a massive failure in the trials.
  
  Here’s hoping this doesn’t eventuate, but others have warned that this Winter in NZ could be bad.
  By hiding for 2 years, throwing away normal pandemic protocols and ignoring natural immunity, we may be priming for a shit storm. There will be much “dry tinder”.
  The efficacy of the jabs is now in serious doubt. It actually increases the chance of getting omicron. Any reduction in risk of disease or death wanes rapidly. Long term effects of repeated boosters are impossible to know. Unless you have serious underlying health conditions it makes no sense to partake in this experiment.
  
  Congratulations Brenda, St Ash, Michael Baker. Great job. Special thanks to the mainstream media for enabling these people. What a bunch of morons.
  Here’s hoping it doesn’t turn out to be true but that data out of Aussie may well be reflected here.
  
  Or we could lockdown permanently and save everyone…..//
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:31am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Australia has 12 per million in ICU. that would be 70 iu NZ, and similar to UK. No big deal, and it has very high omicron infection rates – close to highest in world at the moment.
    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-10-23
    So to repeat; no big deal.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:46am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I didn’t disagree with you UN, I’m just referring to a report indicating a trend. The author is simply saying that it needs watching.
      
      My concern is mass vaccination, already it is causing negative efficacy. The jabbed are far more likely to get omicron. My biggest concern is better explained here.
      
      “Counterfactual 1, sterilization: Of course the vaccine is non-sterilizing. In fact, the negative efficacy for omicron should be causing people to freak out. Vaccine amplified infection is pandemic scifi level bad. Vax negative efficacy for omicron means that over the next few years there is the very high probability of even more vaccine-amplified variants. There is the possibility (how high I can’t guess) that some of these will be severe instead of mild. Maybe they’ll kill the vaccinated and be a win for anti-vax. But maybe they’ll kill the unvaccinated and be a win for pro-vax, even though it’s actually the fault of the pro-vax side. It’s even possible that omicron itself could be like this. Very early days.”
      
      Worth reading in full.
      
      https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/are-the-vaccines-doomed-or-are-we
      
      We don’t know what is going to happen because all of this is still an experiment. We were lied to when we were told the “science is settled”, “the vaccines are safe”, “3 weeks to flatten the curve”, “there will be no forced vaccination”, “we’ll be your single source of truth”.
      I’m comfortable with omicron. I’m concerned for the triple jabbed. I hope it’s misplaced.
      
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      January 12, 2022 11:25am
      - bronny1
        
        we can’t keep the country closed up just to protect the double and triple jabbed. They made their decision and need to live with it. (Sound familiar?)
        
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        January 12, 2022 12:33pm
- Fight4NZ
  
  That is essentially good news. Hopefully the Govt agrees this is the lesser of the various evils. Of course it is different being the one that makes the call and responsible if anything does go wrong.
  But I don’t buy the attempt to compare a couple of years somewhat isolated here to 100s if not 1000s of years for populations once living in the far corners of the globe. And no the vaccine isn’t compromising the immune system.
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:40pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Can you give us your informed evidence for your last statement. I have multiple that say you’re wrong.
    
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    January 12, 2022 5:47pm
    - dannz
      
      How about no increase in excess mortality in NZ in the time 8 million doses of the vaccine given?
      
      If people have damaged immune systems, wouldn’t some of them be dying?
      
      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~NZL
      https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Vaccine+doses&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=false&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~NZL
      
      For the vast majority of people, there is no rational reason not to get the vaccine.
      
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      January 12, 2022 6:41pm
Benedict Yu

This is getting out of hand. I received an email yesterday from a public servant in Wellington. It was not just to me, but rather a group of people who had previously been involved in a project.

I think it was meant as a low key ‘new year’ message. Anyway.. It had 672 words, 69 of which were Maori language words. But these 69 were all interspersed with the English words. The result was that most of the sentences were either unintelligible or difficult to follow.

Also, there was an explanation of the current nice weather. The sun is now with his “summer wife”. This was not presented as an account of a Maori myth. It was just presented as an implied fact. Like that REALLY is the cause of seasons. As opposed to the earth orbiting the sun and being tilted on its axis. Do school kids get taught the “Maori Science” explanation for seasons on an equal footing?

I deleted it.

Yes this situation is out of hand. I’m assuming the plan is that if I get bombarded with Maori words, I will be forced to learn the Maori language. What other explanation is there?

I have no problems with Maori greetings in emails. And obviously no problem with Maori translations. But yesterday’s experience was on a different scale.

Why am I going on about this? Because it will have detrimental effects on both good communication skills and an appreciation of science. And New Zealand cannot afford that. We have experienced 20 years of absolute and relative education declines in English, Science, and Mathematics. And here we are telling kids the seasons are causes by the sun moving between wives.
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January 12, 2022 8:17am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Te Reo interspersed with English in public service comms…? You had better get used to much, much more of it happening mate!
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not on my watch if I can help it.
    What Maori anyway? There were 7 separate tribes with different origins and languages. The argument about what is proper Maori is interminable. That can only be settled on the relevant tribal marae for each. Further it wasn’t written so even the pronunciations are uncertain. The grammar appearing in the bastardised usage is mostly appalling.
    
    A further danger is the use of invocations to Maori spirits. Watch those seemingly innocuous pointless phrases embroidering the fore and aft of public communications. To avoid potential harm I won’t give examples.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:24am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Wives, that seems they are condoning bigamy.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:29am
  - kowtow
    
    Bigamy , misogyny followed by a visit to the Winz office where, btw, we’re still paying to have private security at every branch.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:56am
- cmm
  
  BY: It is extremely difficult to reverse this trend.
  
  Who are the people in the positions to direct future education? It is the people that have set up what is there now. They are not the sort that will admit a mistake and look for alternatives. Nope, they will double down: they just have not gone far enough.
  
  Where are the new, good maths teachers going to come from? The teachers being trained today (and in the foreseeable future) are themselves products of the broken system. How do you fix that?
  
  And what do you do with the current generation of crap teachers who might have 30 years of career ahead of them? Fire them? Good luck with that! Retrain them? Naah that’s not going to work either.
  
  It takes many generations to build a solid educational system. It only takes a few years to destroy it.
  
  There is only one way forward: don’t rely on the government for education. There are plenty resources out there to teach your kids. Even if they still go to school, you can always teach them more afterwards.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:30am
  - artemisia
    
    Personally, regard schools as cheap babysitters.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:34am
    - surfing
      
      Ghostbusters (2021) — on school…
      
      “This is a state-sponsored work camp for delinquents.”
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:11am
    - cmm
      
      Like so many things that are “cheap”, they’re more expensive in the long run.
      
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      January 12, 2022 2:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Get proper math and science teachers from india, they speak english well already, which is a problem for sourcing from other asian countries. We have no chance of getting any from amongst kiwis who decide to become teachers – it’s become a low status and frustrating career chosen by mostly low academically achieving women who dislike STEM subjects who have structured education to suit their (largely economically useless) interests
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:51am
    - surfing
      
      New Zealand is good at producing lawyers though.
      
      My oldest just went through first year engineering, they are taught maori engineering. But, it is not really engineering, it is more about how to pacify maori objections to modern technology .
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:12am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yup, put kid is out of there. Don’t be going back any time soon.
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:16pm
- Tony
  
  We no longer speak english in this country. It is becoming a form of pigeon english. Once tourists start coming back to NZ, they won’t be able to understand us.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:36am
  - Flossie
    
    I’ve told my son who’s been in UK since the 90s that when he comes for a holiday – at the next available opportunity!! – not to expect the country he left. Just for starters he’ll need to find Aoteoroa even though he will think he’s coming to New Zealand…
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:41am
- Nickc2
  
  A Grandson informed me it’s all part of a Job Interview these days. Apparently, the interviewee is asked questions about Maori Folklore and is expected to answer using interspersed Te Reo words.
  Why?
  What a crock of shit IMO!
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:42am
  - alloytoo
    
    Sounds like religious discrimination.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I’d be advising kids to leave NZ. The Wokocracy are going to destroy it.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:53am
    - Jack5
      
      No, stay and fight.
      
      Politely respond to Maori questions that you don’t speak the language. If you don’t get the job for that reason publicise this, and protest – to the interviewing organisation, to politicians, to blogs, to any independent media that spring up uncorrupted by Ardern funds.
      
      Join the Resistance!
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:10am
      - david
        
        Nothing new there. Back in the 20th Century the question of the day was “what is your attitude to creating gender equality and improving the ratio of female employees?”
        My answer was that I have employed males, females, Maori and Europeans, able bodied and disabled, older and newly graduated. The one constant I have found is that I cannot improve on employing the best person for the job.
        Margaret Baisley was not impressed and made sure that I saw her strike a line through my name on the list of interviewees.
        
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        January 12, 2022 1:37pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Job interviews for the public service? Or private sector employers?
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:19am
    - Nickc2
      
      He was relating to a mate of his applying for a teaching job in NZ. My Grandson already had a teaching job at the time. However, they have both been offered teaching jobs in NSW as soon as they can get there. I believe it’s on the grounds they play Rugby when they are there.
      
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      January 12, 2022 2:29pm
  - lifesgood
    
    My son was short listed for a scholarship to Cambridge University to study Science. He was the top ranking student in NZ. He didn’t get the scholarship because he didn’t know enough about maori and Te Reo. He was informed of this after the interview. Pray tell me why would he need that to study Science at Cambridge. Anyway, fortunately, he went for, and got, another scholarship to go there and graduated PHD with flying colours
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:26pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Well done to your son! Never give in to em eh?
      
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      January 12, 2022 1:43pm
- I remember when
  
  BY:
  I can see why that would cause an increase in heat.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:50am
- Inandout
  
  BY, from a hermit’s perspective in our post Covid kingdom we blithely accept this bullshit. The more introspective we become the more we are easily controlled. Sad really, because in the real world there are brilliant scientists and technicians who have helped launch the Webb telescope which when fully operational will potentially see into how the universe was formed. If we ever escape our hermitism we may once again provide the world with clever scientists but meantime a great percentage of our school leavers will be as dull as dish water. I fear for our future.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:54am
- Yvette
  
  Benedict Yu – perhaps relevant to your situation, and also that of Maori hoping to advance rāhui to some state of law –
  
  Now the chair of the National Māori Authority, Matthew Tukaki, is slamming Hipango and calling on Luxon to sort the MP out.
  “Let’s face it the errant National MP has had multiple opportunities yet she sneaks away to this protest and that knowing full well her presence gives license to those behind them – often peddling misinformation and lies,” Tukaki says in a statement.
  
  Also, Benedict, was the email sent to you written by a Maori – I suspect not.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:33am
- rouppe
  
  How about replying with:
  “I found the mixing of languages to be confusing and distracting.
  How about you send two versions of your email: an fully English version and a fully Te Reo version.”
  
  If they have to do the mahi on the full translation of their korero that might cause them to taihoa
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Stop pukeruing the kiwi vernacular.
    Mixing Maori words in is ignorant. Maori never wrote so words like korero have no place in written work.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:21am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Rouppe: “ How about you send two versions of your email: an fully English version and a fully Te Reo version.”
    I tried that with Air NZ. After a bit of BS and stalling tactics I finally got a (my translation) F-off and stop bothering us!!
    
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    January 13, 2022 12:40am
- Ra Henare
  
  Perhaps the response to said Public Servant is to reply that you would like communications in English as you do not speak or understand the Maori language.
  
  Just deleting the email encourages them as they don’t get a slapdown for their wokeness.
  
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  January 12, 2022 2:20pm
Yabster

@ Tony Stuart- some good policies here…

https://nnparty.co.nz/our-policies/
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January 12, 2022 8:30am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Would like to see the New Nations Party add that referendums be binding on politicians. That way the good citizens of New Zealand retain some control over those that they elect to govern us.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:43am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Binding referenda sound good in theory, but it is too easy for people to vote in their own self-interest, without consideration to how the Government will pay for it, resulting in budget problems. This would be worse if more than one referenda came up at the same time.
    For example, imagine if any of these were binding referenda, they might get enough votes to pass.
    * Make all tertiary study free
    * Make the minimum wage $30 per hour (or $40, or $50)
    * Remove GST
    * Remove all personal income tax
    * All individuals to be provided with $250,000 to use as a house deposit on their 25th birthday
    
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    January 12, 2022 12:04pm
- westernScientest
  
  Their website looks like a 12 year old put it together in an afternoon as part of a learn HTML project in the 90s.
  
  The policies headings dont look too bad, except that the page takes so long to load I am writing this comment and checking them as they come up. Then when you click on them for more detail its just the thumbnail jpeg. I mean, what is their education policy? it just says ‘cater to every individual’ ‘reach full potential’ blah blah. The slash and burn of a bunch of horrible s* like 3 waters, vax passes etc. sounds good, but the rest just looks like platitudes.
  
  If you cant find someone to build a semi functional website for a political campaign, why would I trust you to be able to implement any of the policies you say you will?
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That was my first thought as well. The website is dreadful!
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:55am
    - Yabster
      
      yep the website may suck and no doubt being a very small party the won’t get a lot of traction- and it is also easy to put up policies without any intent- but what I do like is they have spelt out what they would enact- ie Burn He Pua Pua- I can’t see anything like that on Nationals Policy page- hard to see their stance on the new nz history being taught in schools, (they do have a 3 waters petition), the Maori Health authority etc – they need to be clear are they repelling or not- if not they won’t get my vote.
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:14am
      - westernScientest
        
        Both ACT and New Conservatives have been pretty upfront on those points.
        
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        January 12, 2022 1:11pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And I don’t see anywhere how they’re going to fund their policies.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      They could ask Ardern, she had no problem finding 70 billion apparently.
      
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      January 12, 2022 1:21pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Yabster: Should NN ever be an option in the next election, a vote for them would actually be another vote for Ardern.
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:31am
  - Yabster
    
    they said the same thing about ACT once also…
    
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    January 12, 2022 11:37am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Yes but they were in the house next election.
      Think instead of recent examples such as TOP, New Conservative / Conservative.
      
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      January 12, 2022 12:04pm
- xy
  
  Ah interesting this was the New National Party as pitched by Chris Bishop’s dad a while back – i assume National objected to their old name.
  
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  January 12, 2022 2:36pm
I remember when

So the Labour government has several million RAT tests on order.
How many do we need?
In London they use them to find out if they are positive, then after PCR confirmation, test (often daily) to see when they can come out of isolation.
If an outbreak occurs around winter every cold, tickly throat and headache could lead to a test.
Going to visit the elderly rellies – take a test, etc.
Will an average of one test a person be enough for the market.
Are Labour gambling on Omicron killing covid before we get it?
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January 12, 2022 8:45am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Apparently they are only free until the end of January. Oh, and they aren’t very accurate. If you get a positive result you still need a PCR test which is still run a 40 ct. Meaningless.
  We will have a “casedemic”.
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Aussie is rolling out millions of free RATs
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/rapid-antigen-tests-free-concession-card-holders-pcr/100741336
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I hope they keep them in Aus.
      
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      January 12, 2022 10:23am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Could you please at least learn how PCR tests work before you repeat that irrelevance about 40ct again.
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:50pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      PCR tests at 40 cycles are not irrelevant. The WHO has formally rejected them as failures. NZ is probably still using them.
      
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      January 12, 2022 6:01pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        So you have no idea either.
        Try with the more specific question why is 40ct not relevant to a positive result? When you work that out then get back to me.
        
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        January 12, 2022 10:08pm
Andrew Worth

Compare this story to the apparent indifference to threats against people from Kainga Ora tenants.
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzherald.co.nz%2Fnorthern-advocate%2Fnews%2Fpolice-investigating-threat-against-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-delivered-to-kerikeri-homes%2F5P4GZIN3GGVF25FYIH3MCHAXPQ%2F%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3Dnzh_fb%26utm_source%3DFacebook%23Echobox%
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January 12, 2022 8:48am
- Lee C
  
  So Andrew, The Herald runs a full story about a shonkily written un-validated ‘threat’ which appears to have been written by a four-year-old.
  
  It absolutely reeks of ‘false flag’ if you ask me.
  
  This is the new normal, though isn’t it?
  
  Unsubstantiated ‘evidence’ or ‘concerns’ causing the police to swing into action to protect the Queen.
  
  It quite handily infers that any one who is opposed to her must be deranged, or ‘right-wing’.
  
  While the actual ‘derangement’ is the incineration of our rights, our economy our national identity and our culture on the altar of ‘covid’.
  
  Which probably explains why the National Party have been pussy-whipped into compliance. Perish teh thought anyone think them ‘right wing’ and they are certainly as equally deranged as Ardern.
  
  That’s the new ‘fear-porn’ narrative they are promoting, in my view. Resistance deserves to be stamped out.
  
  For the sake of public safety.
  
  Did you sneeze!?!
  
  Gesundheit!
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:20am
  - coge
    
    Oh yes, don’t be surprised about this. We are going to be constantly assailed, by badly written, unsubstantiated emotive agitprop. In the coming months. It means the heat is getting to them, the numbers of those who will resist (mostly in little or unknowing ways) is growing daily. For instance hospitality takings will be down around 20 to 30% on what would be expected. Month after month. Margins are slim enough already. There are a number of connected reasons for this, which haven’t yet been fully grasped. Bad for the Govt, bad for business. The agitprop will be in full swing, as an ineffective countermeasure. At least it will make a few people “feel” better.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s been the go to tactic of the shitlibs in the US and left in the UK. Anyone opposing the narrative is a right wing nutter and “domestic terrorist”. Hence the rush to bring in “hate speech” laws.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:40am
  - Paulus
    
    As Cindy is losing popularity it might well have been written in Labour HQ in Wellington (as there is a spelling mistake) to get sympathy for Cindy bfore her wedding.
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:32pm
TripeWryter

Is the magenta-tressed (she reminds me of my daughter at 12 and her first experience with the dye-bottle) Dr Siouxie Wiles the former Susanna Wiles?
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January 12, 2022 8:48am
- TripeWryter
  
  The answer to the question, it seems, is at the very end …
  https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/05/05/my-story-Siouxsie-Wiles.html
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:16am
- lifesgood
  
  Yes, indeed, her name is Susanna. Everything about this woman screams “Look at me, look at me!” and then when she thinks no one is looking she whines about being picked on. I detest her.
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:29pm
MCōs

I read the autobiography of Katherine Graham, owner of the Washington Post.
Her family was Jewish, but religion played no part in her upbringing and was rarely discussed.
Because of their position in Washington society at the time they hob nobbed with everybody from Presidents down on both sides of the aisle.
One day when she was young at a dinner party with all sorts of big names present her sister said ‘Who’s the Jesus everyone is talking about?’
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January 12, 2022 8:56am
- Inandout
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:28am
  - Inandout
    
    You draw a long bow as I was merely pointing out what has been published in the American MSM. Your call though.
    
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    January 12, 2022 12:56pm
- lifesgood
  
  I find that hard to believe. I would imagine she would not be poorly educated.
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:31pm
  - MCōs
    
    If I had the time I’d dig out the book and find more context for you, but I can assure you Kathrine Graham comes across as a straight up & down sort of person not given to exaggeration.
    The point is don’t take anything for granted.
    
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    January 12, 2022 4:01pm
emmess

FBI does not deny it was involved in inciting the events of Jan 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9485DVvbOQ
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January 12, 2022 9:00am
- Nickc2
  
  There’s a lot of arse covering in that video.
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:52pm
I remember when

Almost exactly one year after Joe Biden has become President there are the same number of covid death as during Donald Trump’s.
During this time we have had massive vaccination numbers, better treatment knowledge and increased numbers already infected.
Is it time to admit that restricting covid numbers (and deaths) is a least partly a lottery.
Should we be treating Omicron as a cure and acting accordingly.
Allow for 4-6 weeks of mayhem and then be able to move on with our lives.
Everyone takes personal responsibility for their own protection.
To date all we have done is become increasing paranoid, mentally tired and it is affecting our health and well being.
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January 12, 2022 9:00am
- mawm
  
  Omicron is a live attenuated virus – we’ve been using them since the days of smallpox vaccinations. What gives me pause is that it came from a strain that has been hibernating for 2 years. Has someone been playing with it in a lab and then released it to end the pandemic?? Is there more that we haven’t been told about Covid-19 that created such worldwide panic amongst governments? Enquiring minds want to know.
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:37pm
I remember when

Covid deaths since to end of May, 2021, final one third of the covid epidemic period.
Sweden – 5% of their total deaths.
United States – 28.6%
New Zealand – 49%
Australia – 62%.
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January 12, 2022 9:05am
- Jack5
  
  Can you please elaborate what this means?
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:14am
- mandk
  
  [deleted by Mod, misinformation]
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:46am
- bronny1
  
  you don’t make sense? 62% of what?
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:40pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    I think he is giving the percentage of covid deaths that occurred since end May 2021 to date over the total covid deaths since the outset.
    In other words Sweden had all theirs early on and Australia is getting theirs now.
    If I’m not mistaken.
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:01pm
  - I remember when
    
    Of their total deaths from covid in the last seven months as a percentage of their total covid deaths..
    No I can’t elaborate but I guess it means that present prevention does not ensure lack of covid deaths in the future.
    Perhaps the question is – what are our actions preventing.
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:04pm
Nickc2

I just heard on TalkbackZB that Maori somewhere have purchased their own venue to use as an MIQ. Well, we shouldn’t critisise them for their enterprise but isn’t this racist? Imagine if we had a different Govt and they established MIQs only for use by non-Maori. The outcry and probable riots would cripple the country.
I can only conclude the current Govt will be using taxpayer money to fund this facility and probably Military personnel to manage and police the damned thing.
No doubt all this was cleared with Cindy’s mob (Maori Caucus) before they bought the venue.
I wonder if they wangled a Govt Grant to purchase it?
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January 12, 2022 9:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Many iwi have used their treaty settlements to build asset bases for commercial gains. Ngai Tahu is the best known, but I know of one small North Island iwi who turned a $13 million settlement into a $50 million-plus asset bases through some strategic purchasing of commercial buildings and property. That, and a partnership with a non-Maori agricultural business has allowed them to develop some innovative farming methods, and provide employment opportunities for iwi members. I think that’s commendable.
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:00am
  - ISeeRed
    
    There should be no such thing as a “Maori” or “non-Maori” business. For blindingly obvious reasons.
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:24am
    - Nickc2
      
      Can’t argue with that!
      
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      January 12, 2022 11:53am
    - MCōs
      
      The case in point is iwi owned, which is Māori by definition, but not pan Māori.
      
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      January 12, 2022 4:08pm
  - Yabster
    
    maybe so Tony- thats not the point Nick is making- how can non -governtment entities set up a race based MIQ ? How would it go down if was a non-Maori MIQ -maybe based on your religous views?
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Private facilities are private facilities. If they require approval for use and get it so what? Others are entitled to their freedom as much as any one else. People we may not like or disagree with have equal common human rights too.
      
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      January 12, 2022 12:02pm
  - Cassandra
    
    But is that legal – can you employ only members of your own tribe?
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:43am
    - Nickc2
      
      Don’t the Mongrel Mob do that?
      
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      January 12, 2022 11:54am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Why shouldn’t they? The tribes are separate ethnic entities. There is no cohesive Maori nation in NZ. The Treaty was signed by individual Chiefs on behalf of the groups they represented. (Difficult to call the Treaty a partnership document.)
      
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      January 12, 2022 12:06pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Wouldn’t it be great if they paid taxes…..//
    
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    January 12, 2022 10:53am
    - Bea Rossini
      
      Like International Harvester?
      
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      January 12, 2022 11:42am
      - Jack5
        
        International Harvester was broken up nearly 40 years ago.
        
        Failing companies (and individuals) often have nothing left to settle outstanding taxes.
        
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        January 12, 2022 3:03pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    All well and good Tony, but I was talking to a Tuhoe Maori couple at the beach over New Year, and they reckon that not much of the money makes its way down to ordinary Maori, most of it almost invariably, ends up in the pockets of the elite Maori families at the top of the class tree. So don’t go “commendable” too quickly.
    
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    January 12, 2022 11:03am
    - MCōs
      
      You don’t get that in the pakeha world.
      
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      January 12, 2022 4:12pm
  - curry4me
    
    Tony Stuart: Good for them.
    
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    January 12, 2022 12:13pm
- Bridgenag
  
  …and the gangs can supply Nick….
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    Gimme a break, I’ll be banned if I even think that.
    
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    January 12, 2022 11:56am
- bronny1
  
  so will this MIQ be only for Maori coming back from overseas? Does that mean that the Maori get two bites of the cherry, Everyone MIQ and failing that they apply for Maori MIQ?
  
  that seems racist to me.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:44pm
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe you should find out more before jumping to aspersions.
    
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    January 12, 2022 4:14pm
Rusty

The Christchurch city council has sent a $14,000 management traffic bill to the organiser of the anti-mandate lockdown protests –known as the freedom and rights coalition group founded by Destiny church leader Brian Tamaki.

This has got to be joke!

What on earth is a management traffic bill in the first place and when has it ever been wrong to protest in a public place (Cranmer square)?

The vile hatred by many of our local councils and govt authorities towards anti-vaxxers/ lockdown people and especially Brian Tamaki is obscene!

I don’t go along with all of Brian Tamaki’s brand of christianity but he and other Nzers have a right to protest in a public place — and just because some pedestrians don’t like their message is a pathetic reason for the council to act that way.

You can bet your last 10 dollars that when the next climate change or human rights protests occur in Christchurch that authorities will bend over backwards to them.
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January 12, 2022 9:21am
- Bea Rossini
  
  Except it wasn’t a protest – it was a family picnic. Tamaki said so. If I had a family picnic, and traffic management was required, you would expect me to pay for that and not the city.
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:14am
  - bronny1
    
    I believe it was a large number of family picnics, each with <50 people.
    
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    January 12, 2022 12:46pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Despite the fact that there has been no statistically global warming over the last nine years.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:08pm
Maggie Pie

GOLRIZ GHARAHMAN….TORTURE FOR THE EYEBALLS ?

I guess a lot of you were probably wondering where I was yesterday?
Partner’s mum had read my GD post on Monday about the Iranian Princess’s…. ‘Point Black Eye-Liner’, and wanted me to go shopping with her to get some.
Spent the day in Newmarket and managed to track it down at the Smith & Caughy M.A.C. Counter.
Not cheap either. You’d need to be pulling a good income to afford stuff from that particular range. They gave Ma a complete demonstration make-over and she ended up blowing nearly a grand stocking up on product!

Anyway, she phoned last night to say she was having trouble getting the ‘Liquid Last’ off her eyes and it was stinging like sh*t…..did I have any idea what she could use? It was really burning her lids.

I went back to Golriz’s original tweet to see if there were any clues, only to find she’s BLOCKED ME!!

Luckily I found this on YouTube….think twice before you apply it 😎

https://youtu.be/Lf9A8ExznxU
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January 12, 2022 9:38am
- MCōs
  
  “think twice before you apply it”
  
  Noted
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:42am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Torture for the eyeballs Maggie? She sure doesn’t torture anyone’s intellect, that’s for sure.
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:00am
Diogenes

[No problem, had passed moderation, we’ve approved worse! mod.]
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January 12, 2022 9:39am
Yvette

Anti-Vax Leader Traveling Country [USA] With Guns, Flamethrower, and Fake Badge in Quest to Arrest Dem Governors
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vax-leader-traveling-country-with-guns-flamethrower-and-fake-badge-prepared-to-arrest-dem-governors
(photo shows four what appear to be semi-automatic rifles, video shows Anti-Covid-19 vaccine “Vaccine Police” organization leader Christopher Key displaying the ‘flame-thrower’)

This man’s armaments may indicate he is not so well in the head, and eventually may harm someone other than himself.
But regards his own health, in advocating drinking one’s own urine, and saying he does this himself, does it not occur to him that he is imbibing what his body in its innate wisdom has already rejected, however fresh?
(I do hope readers have concluded breakfast)
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January 12, 2022 9:50am
- coge
  
  Articles like this are being used as agitprop to dehumanize and misrepresent a large and diverse group of people who have nothing to do with the individual being discussed. If society abandons their humanity, what do we have left?
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:51am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Imagine how Bill Gates feels.
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:28pm
I remember when

A number of posting yesterday about the exclusion of exotic trees in New Zealand.
This exclusion seems to have been further encouraged by the working of algorithms, on the net ,to make it difficult to access complimentary information for exotics.
Try to find out about exotics that attract native birds to the garden and you are bombarded with native species.
No mention of gum trees, bottle brush, camellia, Taiwan cherry or tree lucerne as a major source of food for native birds.
On top of this is the fact that tui, as an example, seem to be continually finding new nectar sources from exotics.
Much of the native tree push seems to be from Forest & Bird and Green organisations with rather set views of what is acceptable.
While native plantings may well have played a part in the increase and expansion of native bird populations, ignoring the exotic contribution is narrow minded and untrue.
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January 12, 2022 9:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I have tried to understand the logic of having only “native” flora and fauna. I’ve asked ardent “greenies”. No rational response is possible. They will happily kill anything they perceive as non “native” whether it does harm or in the case of many things, provides much benefit. It’s a psychotic attitude.
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I can happily explain why we shouldn’t plant invasive exotics or allow pest animal populations to explode … but I’ve never held to a rigid view that native plants should only be used in civic plantings or suburban gardens.
    
    I’m afraid my view that the fastest way to restore some degraded habitats to native forest (using tree lurce/tagaste) as a nurse crop, has never gained much favour from the authorities….
    
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    January 12, 2022 12:12pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      (tree lucerne – Chamaecytisus palmensis)
      https://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora/species/chamaecytisus-palmensis/
      
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      January 12, 2022 12:16pm
    - JJ56
      
      Tree lupin for coastal wind blown sites. Provides shelter and fixes nitrogen and then gets shaded out if you manage it all well.
      
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      January 12, 2022 4:57pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Well, not sheep and cows and carrots and broccoli though. Maybe sheep and cows.
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:29pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Let them eat totara.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:10pm
In Vino Veritas

Karthik Krishnaswamy says that Virat Kohli’s 28 batting average since 2020 is just bad luck on some spicy pitches against quality bowling.
Could it be it’s because he is a flat track bully? After all, Kane Williamson bats in NZ and Joe Root in England, and they get hatfuls of runs on mostly spicy pitches against quality bowling.
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January 12, 2022 10:08am
- MCōs
  
  Cricket is a team sport.
  Lately India hasn’t won the T20, Test or ODI world cups. Only made the final in one. Yet their players feature prominently in ‘best XI of the year’ teams.
  NZ won the Test Championship & were 2nd in the other two and their players hardly rate a mention.
  
  Maybe when you have trouble deciding which Ferrari to drive to the ground it’s difficult to grind out a score against a bunch of nagging medium pacers.
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:13am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Was commenting on Kohli MCos, not the Indian team. He’s struggled when the ball is darting about. I would caveat that by saying that for a long while now (particularly since the advent of 20/20 really) pitches are way less green at the start of matches so in general, they are relatively flat. Overall, batters don’t have the technique to stay in on pitches doing a bit. There’s a great you tube clip of NZ chasing 470 (NZ got to 440) at Trent Bridge in 1973. On the 4th and 5th day, the pitch is still tinged green! These days, that would be considered a green top and would have had all the batters moaning and groaning.
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    Further to the last bit of that remark.
    The West Indies were out here.
    Viv Richards was batting against Richard Hadlee. Both in their prime & for a couple of overs he was hitting him to all corners of Lancaster Park to show who was the man.
    Martin Sneddon, a nagging medium pacer, got him at the other end.
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:32pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Lancaster Park MCos. I was there. Richards hit Hadlee for 4 fours in an over. And then got strangled down the leg side by Snedden. I give you that medium pace dobbers had an undue influence on batters in NZ for too long. However, Kohli has been getting out to Anderson, Robinson, Cummins, Jamieson, Boult and in SA, their quicks. They ain’t Martin Snedden types.
      
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      January 12, 2022 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

Do your part…… follow this ‘health expert’.

https://twitter.com/canmericanized/status/1480697818398568450
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January 12, 2022 10:16am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Hahahaha! That is a blinder Maggie, I’ve shed a few tears of laughter over that!
  Level of concern he’s showing – 10/10. Self awareness 0/10.
  
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  January 12, 2022 10:53am
- H. Upmann
  
  The comments are great; “mandatory treadmill”!
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:04am
Mrs_Right

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-provide-update-omicron-variant

“Pfizer and BioNTech continue to advance the development of a variant-specific vaccine for Omicron and expect to have it available by March…”

How many more boosters/additional vaccines will there be?!
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January 12, 2022 10:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Pfizer said they didn’t expect some of the effects like the spike protein getting throughout the body.
  Can you trust the further? I can’t and no govt should.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:12pm
CAKE FACE1

On February 2nd, it will be exactly four months since CAKE had his second shot of the sweet zombie juice.

The question then is – should I then line up for a third hit?

I suspect that the vaccine is little more than a placebo against Omicron. There is some risk with the vaccine as well. “Deadly Delta” proved to be a damp squib. I think that maybe I’ll just stick with two shots…

By the way, I see that Professor Baker is babbling about eliminating delta as well. This is not a sustainable approach, unless the borders are to stay shut.

Alas, I think he favours a country where the borders are closed forever – Fortress New Zealand. The depressing thing is that I fear Cindy favours this as well.

Cindy is a monster. I’m not sure what bad things I’ve done in my life such that I deserve having her in charge of my life.

Woe is me…
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January 12, 2022 10:48am
- Julie
  
  [deleted by Mod for personal attacks involving families. Repeat will result in a ban – Mod]
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Baker has had the same wet dream for over a decade.
  
  https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0178732#sec016
  
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  January 12, 2022 11:46am
- Lucia Maria
  
  If you are thinking about getting a 3rd shot but are unsure, I recommend that you listen to your gut and do some research first. Or at least wait and see what happens to everyone else who gets one. Apparently, the effects compound.
  
  I hope the health authorities are keeping track of the guy who got 10 shots.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:02pm
  - dime
    
    Im going with a wait and see approach to the booster.
    
    Hoping to get the cron soon too. Just want it done.
    
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    January 12, 2022 1:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Baker and his ilk have no qualifications to suggest public policy. Their limited duty is to present their numbers to competent officials for evaluation.
  Complex modelled mathematical scenarios are not a good basis for societal population decision making.
  The costs are ignored and so a benefit analysis is not possible. Executive govt has to consider all factors in its decision making as it is bound by a duty of care.
  PM take note. You have the responsibility for the resultant mess.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:19pm
- westernScientest
  
  Eliminating delta looks pretty straight forward at this point, let omicron in and get rid of restrictions.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:40pm
- bronny1
  
  She is a monster and the vaccine is near useless against Omicron. But will you be able to do without eating out and cafes? Seems to be the reason many are going back for #3.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:50pm
- dannz
  
  If you were fine with the others you will be fine with the booster.
  If the vaccines do any damage you’ve already done it, so nothing more to lose.
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:59pm
  - mawm
    
    That is utter rubbish. For example evidence is pointing to myocarditis in younger people being accumulative damage and that’s why there is a higher rate after the 3rd dose than the 2nd, etc.
    
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    January 12, 2022 7:06pm
    - dannz
      
      That is utter rubbish. The rate is about 1 in a million.
      
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      January 12, 2022 7:54pm
  - bronny1
    
    Not according to McCullough – he says you might get away with two but the cumulative impact could be very bad.
    
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    January 12, 2022 7:24pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

The harms that lockdowns have done. As expected the superficial reaction and push for lockdowns by politicians and health bureaucrats without due consideration of all impacts has led to far more unseen/unacknowledged damage than staying open would have:
https://rumble.com/vsbvz4-dr.-scott-atlas-the-failure-of-lockdown-policy.html
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January 12, 2022 10:51am
Opie

Udi Qimron, head of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University and a leading Israeli immunologist, has taken the opportunity posed by the collapsing narrative to release this open letter to the authorities (this is a mechanical translation from the original Hebrew):

[Copy paste spam, deleted by Mod. You are welcome to link to the letter]
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January 12, 2022 10:55am
- Opie
  
  It’s hardly spam, more a very important letter everyone should read from someone who would know a thing or two about what’s happening…
  Here is the link:
  https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:18pm
- Inandout
  
  Opie, just type his name and it brings up lots of info from reputable Israeli sources.
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:49pm
Nickc2

Lemon Pickers Needed – ad in a local newspaper.

Ms. Sally Mulligan of Papakura, Auckland, read it, and decided to apply for one of the jobs that most New Zealanders are not willing to do.
She submitted her application for a job in Te Puke as a Lemon Fruit picker but seemed far too qualified for the job.

She has a liberal arts degree from the University of Wellington, and a master’s degree from Otago.
For a number of years, she had worked as a social worker, and also as a school teacher.
The owner studied her application, frowned, and said, “I see that you are well educated, and have an impressive resume.

“However, I have to ask you, have you had any actual experience in picking lemons?”

“Well, as a matter of fact, I have,” she said… “I’ve been divorced three times, owned two Holdens, voted twice for Winston, and once for Jacinda.”
She started work yesterday.
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January 12, 2022 11:09am
Tauhei Notts

Please let common sense over rule that idiotic 80 kph speed limit between Rangitaiki and Eskdale.
Okay, through the Waipunga Gorge as far as Tarawera, yeah, that is reasonable. Also that part on the Eskdale side of Te Haroto; that is reasonable.
BUT 80 kph on the long uphill runs near Eland Station, Titiokura and rising from the Mohaka River; mind boggling.
…………………
Christmas reminiscences; it was about 20 years ago; we are exiting the Waipunga Gorge, on the way to Taupo; Paul Simon on the radio is singing “slow down, you move too fast, you’ve got to make the morning last” and my wife and eldest daughter caution me (nag?) to slow down; when around a corner comes a cop, and I find out that 128kph = $120.
The only money I have paid a panelbeater in the past 20 years has been for silly bets on sporting events.
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January 12, 2022 11:25am
Maggie Pie

Talkback caller tells host her son has been stuck in Vietnam on an expired Visa for months, all due to his inability to fluke an MIQ spot.

Says the Vietnamese authorities are no longer granting extensions, and have given people until Saturday to leave. Apparently this effects more than a hundred other New Zealander’s all in the same boat!

He has been told that unless he can show ‘urgent medical grounds’ to return to NZ, the likely chances of getting an MIQ spot are remote.

Before people come down too hard on Marja Lubeck, maybe she is actually quite ill?
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January 12, 2022 11:49am
- Bob
  
  Being that she is a proud member of the Labour government she must be ill!
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:13pm
- NK
  
  Says the Vietnamese authorities are no longer granting extensions, and have given people until Saturday to leave. Apparently this effects more than a hundred other New Zealander’s all in the same boat!
  
  The use of the word “boat” is quite apt, as that is what they might end up on, like refugees seeking asylum in their home country!!!
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:19pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Some enterprising person should organise a boat
    
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    January 12, 2022 4:02pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  She is suffering from entitleitis. It is endemic in all people of a Leftist Persuasion
  
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  January 12, 2022 12:52pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Need to get the NZ Navy to come and rescue him!
  
  New Zealand navy rescues duo stuck in Singapore for 18 months
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:54pm
ClanMcleod

Well who could have guessed?

“T-cells from common cold coronaviruses can provide protection against COVID-19, an Imperial College London study has found.

It found that the 26 who did not develop infection had significantly higher levels of those T-cells than people who did get infected.”

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/01/10/imperial-finally-acknowledges-pre-existing-immunity-to-covid-19-what-took-it-so-long/
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January 12, 2022 11:58am
iMP

Well THE JINX is up. Robert Durst dies. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/robert-durst-real-estate-heir-convicted-of-murder-dies/SN4FGLAJORGKUB2T2B3BRKMBQM/

Best tv doco series ever.
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January 12, 2022 11:58am
emmess

75% atleast four co-morbidities

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/10/cdc_director_rochelle_walensky_75_of_covid_deaths_had_at_least_4_comorbidities.html

Take the 800k supposed deaths in the US
Divide by 4 (generous as not counting 3, 2 or 1 co-morbidities)
Divide by 2 years (again generous, I could use 2.5 or even 3 seasons)
=100k deaths
Same as amount of overdoses
Not much more than a normal flu season – up to 70k
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January 12, 2022 12:21pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  This is a strange report
  34 years old, dies in her sleep. Family say they don’t know what happened. Surely autopsies are done in circumstances like this?
  
  https://7news.com.au/entertainment/tv/neighbours-star-miranda-fryer-who-played-sky-mangel-dies-in-her-sleep-aged-34-c-5268601
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:38pm
  - Fletch
    
    They are saying it was her heart….
    
    “It was completely unexpected, we are yet to know for sure what the cause was, but with our family history, it looks like her heart failed during her sleep. She went peacefully.”
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/11/former-neighbours-child-actor-miranda-fryer-dies-aged-34/
    
    You have to wonder…. ?
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:39pm
- MCōs
  
  You could say the same about the 1517 people who died with seawater in their lungs as a result of the sinking of the Titanic.
  How many of them had comorbidities?
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:41pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Amateur epidemiology is the the name of the game these days. I have seen several Facebook posts that have taught me how to easily reinterpret the ‘official’ statistics to reveal the truth that ‘they’ don’t want you to know.
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:12pm
    - emmess
      
      Epidemiology?
      No, it is primary school level maths
      
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      January 12, 2022 4:19pm
  - emmess
    
    Duuuuuhhhhhhh
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

WOW!!

And for anyone here who finds those television ‘Signers’ a bit of a distraction – check out what the Aussies are doing……

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1481012609121882112
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January 12, 2022 1:04pm
- H. Upmann
  
  OOMMGG!!
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:09pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Awesome. Given the Governments desperate desire to include Maori in everyday English, we’ll soon have to do this in NZ with pigeon Maori|English.
  
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  January 12, 2022 1:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh, I’m sure we’d be more eloquent with some gangsta patois:
    
    “That’d be rude as, eh?”
    
    “what a stink as place that would be,”..
    
    and…”us kiwis can keep drinking..”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POX6CPNM8YM
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:09pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Your idea of ‘pigeon’ Maori/English seems to be something for the birds.
    
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    January 12, 2022 2:25pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Kereru English?
      
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      January 12, 2022 4:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stop it, makes him worser
        
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        January 12, 2022 5:39pm
      - Mike
        
        And worsier, Steve.
        
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        January 12, 2022 5:54pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, do you intend to confuse us when you use both your pseudonyms (Mikenmildagain and Mike) in the same discussion? It’s like a pilot showing off by looping the loop.
        
        However, on Maori English, a.k.a. NZ English, a.k.a. StateTV/State Radio Pidgin English ….
        
        This endangers the Maori language in its fight to survive. Maori language will be safe when most Maori folk talk in Maori at home.
        
        NZ Pidgin/Maori English/NZ English joins mainstream, international English as a rival in-home language for Maori folk.
        
        The Woke, Government departments, local bodies, State news media and their bought-off print rivals, endanger Maori language by Pidgin-ising English.
        
        The State, many local bodies, and Ardern’s Media are pushing so much Maori into their English that the Pidgin they are building will, if taken up by Maori and the Woke, be a New Zealand Creole.
        
        Will the world call it New Zealand Creole or Aotearoa Creole, or make the alliterative choice of Kiwi Creole?
        
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        January 13, 2022 11:54am
- mandk
  
  Which Aboriginal language did he use?
  According to the Australian government website I just checked, there are 250 of them.
  
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  January 12, 2022 3:52pm
lifesgood

I heard Bruce Russell on ZB say that if Luxon is anything like John Key he will never vote for him. He loathes JK. Anyone know why? He didn’t elaborate.
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January 12, 2022 1:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I know my partner’s mum often listens to him late at night.
  She said once he does come across as a real ‘righty’, but got the feeling he thinks JK was a bit of a charlatan…..only ever in it for himself.
  
  Ma sez what she wishes is he’d clear his bloody throat before he speaks.
  Drives her up the wall she reckons. LOL!!
  
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  January 12, 2022 2:03pm
Bridgenag

Totally off topic…. the Blokes at Bowls want to know who gained when we were forbidden the recyclable bags from the supermarket and we now have to buy them…………… sigh
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January 12, 2022 1:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Nothing is off topic in the GD. It’s just a common misapprehension that everything needs to be about Covid.
  
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  January 12, 2022 2:09pm
Benedict Yu

My partner just told me about a case of crazy application of vaccine mandates by government agencies.

Her friend has worked for a government agency for two years. The nature of her work is that she has minimal contact with other people in the agency. So she has worked at home for two years, and has literally never set foot in the office. She has had positive performance reviews.

But she is not vaccinated and has been told she is going to lose her job. Madness.

To make things worse, her son took his life on Christmas eve. 🙁 Some folk have a hard time of it.
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January 12, 2022 2:30pm
- bronny1
  
  One of my (quasi-govt) clients has asked for my vax pass as it’s mandatory for consultants and contractors. I have not only never set foot in any of their facilities, I have never met any of their staff in person.
  
  I ignored the request. Awaiting a follow up.
  
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  January 12, 2022 4:10pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  It’s actually a purge. If you are compliant, then you are “good” and can carry on. If you are not compliant, you could contaminate the rest with your “thought crimes” and therefore must be made to leave.
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:05pm
  - bronny1
    
    I am sure that is the case. I look forward to being terminated as the work as boring as.
    
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    January 12, 2022 7:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Prison for Democrats?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE5VV_mksZw
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January 12, 2022 2:39pm
CAKE FACE1

I don’t think anyone has used the Māori word “Aotearoa” to me in a conversation in my life.

The only time I have heard it is when I’m watching television. For example, they use “Aotearoa” instead of New Zealand almost exclusively on the news.

From my lifetime experience, I suspect that using this term is purely a media trait, rather than being common usage.
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January 12, 2022 2:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I suspect you don’t get out much.
  
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  January 12, 2022 3:39pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    [deleted for racial antagonism. Keep that crap off KB – Mod]
    
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    January 12, 2022 4:31pm
    - CAKE FACE1
      
      Apologies, I was not trying to be racist.
      
      Is randomly interspersing words from another language into English completely different from Pidgin English?
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin
      
      It sounds similar to me, but if not, I apologise again.
      
      Btw, I thought pidgin English was spelt “pigeon”. Ha.
      
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      January 12, 2022 5:15pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        There is a formal version of Pidgin in use in Papua New Guinea. It’s quite strange.
        
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        January 12, 2022 6:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Is randomly interspersing words from another language into English completely different from Pidgin English?
        
        na bro, Māori English (ME)
        
        https://sciblogs.co.nz/lippy-linguist/2021/11/02/language-matters-how-to-identify-maori-english/
        
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        January 12, 2022 6:21pm
      - CAKE FACE1
        
        Mānglish?
        
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        January 12, 2022 6:28pm
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        First went to PNG in 1968 and had to learn Pidgin to talk to the wharfies.
        
        Pretty simple to pick up. Can still remember a bit of it.
        
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        January 12, 2022 7:08pm
- Cinematic
  
  Absolutely. The msm live in a little bubble of unreality.
  
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  January 12, 2022 3:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Applies to NZ just as well as to Australia

Whilst the sensitivity of PCRs are invaluable if you require hospital care, it is galling to think of how the cost of millions of PCRs could have been better spent in this pandemic if we’d had enough RATs sooner.

Millions of dollars could have been redirected to better supporting and protecting our frontline healthcare workers, towards lockdown related psychological support for young people or on longer term solutions to tackling endemic poverty.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/because-of-the-naive-covid-zero-message-many-australians-cant-come-to-terms-with-catching-covid
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January 12, 2022 2:53pm
Captain Mainwaring

Whatever happened to that deranged individual Morrissey Breen?
I miss his turbocharged lefty nonsense.
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January 12, 2022 3:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But does he miss you?
  
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  January 12, 2022 3:40pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, no wonder this country is stuffed!

Listening to Francessca on ZB….. every caller so far demanding employers extend at least 21 days sick-leave, or be given a weeks extra-bonus at Xmas if they don’t use it. SHEESH!!

In the 13+ years I’ve known my partner, he’s NEVER had a day at home sick in his life!
As he often says, “The smarter I work, the more I get of it”
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January 12, 2022 3:36pm
CrappyDad

What is wrong with this place. This is why we can’t have nice things!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300494342/auckland-water-park-closes-as-lifeguard-bashed-partying-hundreds-risk-safety

It feels like the country is full of ferals!
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January 12, 2022 3:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Everything is FREE under socialism. Then the ferals want more free shit
  
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  January 12, 2022 5:47pm
CAKE FACE1

Is Cindy evil? Or is she simply incompetent? Or is she both?

Discuss…
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January 12, 2022 4:13pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Hanlon’s razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
  
  She’s just stupid/ignorant due to laziness. Makes decisions based on superficial understanding and consultation with her inner child (feelz)
  
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  January 12, 2022 4:35pm
- CrappyDad
  
  I suspect she is weak/easily manipulated by those around her. This explains why no one has been held to account.
  The perfect puppet perhaps!
  
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  January 12, 2022 4:38pm
- lifesgood
  
  Evil.
  
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  January 12, 2022 5:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just a muppet that is good with word soup
  
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  January 12, 2022 5:49pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  The former. Probably imagines that good will come out of this process – utopians are like that. Ends justifies the means and all that.
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:08pm
- mawm
  
  I’d like to say all of the above but I won’t as I’m sure to be moderated.
  
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  January 12, 2022 7:18pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum txts….

From STUFF:
‘Auckland lotto winner catches Bus to claim $17.2 million prize’

Just as some people shouldn’t be allowed to breed, there are some who shouldn’t be allowed to buy raffle tickets.

LOL!!
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January 12, 2022 5:10pm
EssenX

A few days ago Tony Stuart, among others, posted to Twitter and elsewhere that a pharmacist had alleged that Clarke Gayford had tried to intervene on behalf of his mates.

Many shot down the social media screenshot as fake. Turns out it was real and Gayford is now “sorry”: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deeply-inappropriate-clarke-gayford-sorry-for-confusion-after-claim-he-tried-to-get-mate-rapid-covid-test/BERMJTAVSMBW756EZLHP56PCVA/

My question is, what else has Gayford been up to in the background on behalf of his mates?
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January 12, 2022 5:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How many other ‘mates’ has he been ‘helping?’
  
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  January 12, 2022 5:52pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Gayford has a manager?
  Dear Lord.
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:35pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Cindy 😀
    
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    January 12, 2022 7:06pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Cheers EssenX – I feel vindicated!
  
  I feel sorry for our old mate “Hey Clint” Smith, whose is doing his best to defend the indefensible, but is failing miserably.
  
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  January 12, 2022 7:02pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  “Sorry for the confusion”. There’s no confusion…what on earth makes him think he should be giving advice to a pharmacist? Even if he did happen to know the correct rules, he is not an official of the MoH, he’s not part of the Government, and nor is he medically qualified. The correct response for anyone that had two brain cells to rub together would have been to tell them to follow the advice of the pharmacist and hang up.
  
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  January 12, 2022 7:16pm
- mawm
  
  I had a grey ford like that once. It also didn’t work.
  
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  January 12, 2022 7:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You think it is a coincidence that legislation was rushed through parliament to guarantee an insurance scheme for cancelled ~~Rhythm & Vines~~ summer events?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/455274/government-announces-insurance-scheme-for-large-summer-events
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:29pm
renderer

Well well well. The husband to be of our Cindy has apologized for giving bum information to a pharmacist
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January 12, 2022 5:29pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @renderer:
  “Giving bum information to a pharmacist”
  Think you mean “giving bum instructions to a pharmacist.”
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:14pm
crikey

Breaking news posted by Chris Bishop on Facebook:

“BREAKING: Wow. Some vaccinated musicians went to get rapid antigen tests from a pharmacy after the DJ Dimension debacle. Pharmacist rightly said no, you need to go and get a PCR test if you’re a potential close contact. So the musicians got Clarke Gayford on the phone who told the pharmacist the guidelines had changed (they hadn’t).

Deeply inappropriate.”
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January 12, 2022 5:48pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Yep. The first man is the one to go to if you have any sort of govt issue. Been noticed on twitter.
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:09pm
- kowtow
  
  TV3 “news” reported this , buried deep though .
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:22pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Havn’t seen anything about it on first 30 minutes of One News.
    Imagine if this had been the partner of a National Party politician seeking to use personal insider influence to advantage friends by ringing up a pharmacy and telling them to change their regimes.
    It would be breaking headline news for days.
    The hypocrisy of the media just isn’t funny anymore.
    
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    January 12, 2022 6:57pm
    - greybeard
      
      Not a mention yet on “Stuff”.
      
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      January 12, 2022 7:21pm
- Mike
  
  Wow. Clarke Gayford is an idiot. I won’t vote for him next election.
  
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  January 12, 2022 6:58pm
  - lifesgood
    
    There’s a wedding coming up shortly. The couple deserve each other.
    
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    January 12, 2022 8:10pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And I won’t vote for his partner.
    Not that I ever have or am ever likely to.
    
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    January 12, 2022 9:39pm
Flossie

As he’s mentioned before the PM reads cabinet papers in bed. As her partner is obviously very indiscreet and it almost seems he thinks himself to be part of our government perhaps she ought to stop this practice. He wouldn’t have sworn any oaths etc would he.
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January 12, 2022 6:27pm
kowtow

Given our Media Pardy’s obsessive coverage of all things Wuflu/ celebrity ( think Novak coverage etc which has nothing to do with us) I’m looking forward to this being on the front page of every daily , covered by all the cartoonists for weeks , and being prominently covered by the tv news channels ………
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January 12, 2022 6:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m sure Suzie Fergusson RNZ will be desperate to interview Gayford and tell him that the RATs are inaccurate….
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018820854/covid-19-collins-backs-rapid-testing-despite-reliability-concerns
  
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  January 12, 2022 9:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Perhaps we owe Clarke Gayford a vote of thanks.

He obviously believes Rapid Antigen Tests are worthwhile.

Such a pity his mates didn’t need a RAT months ago.

Such a pity that Our Dear PM didn’t organise a decent supply of RATs months ago…
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January 12, 2022 7:02pm
Maggie Pie

Did Bronagh have a manager?
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January 12, 2022 7:27pm
Chuck Bird

This is premium but Thomas Coughlan, Senior Political Reporter, NZ Herald has condemned Gayford. He now is fair whereas other MPs families normally are not.

Opinion: Clarke Gayford needs to clean up bad look

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/opinion-clarke-gayford-needs-to-clean-up-bad-look/K5TG43H32VBB2WWG2I62LKIBYQ/
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January 12, 2022 7:46pm
- lifesgood
  
  This is premium. No use putting up links to premium. It’s frustrating.
  
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  January 12, 2022 8:11pm
Surely Knott

So the dj’s at the Pharmacy got a RAT test when they should have had a PCR.

But since then a number of huge festivals where the dj’s played have been locations of interest. (Golden Lights Festival – dj friction, Henderson. Hidden Valley Festival – dj friction, dimension, Matakana, Tauranga Festival – dj friction, koven and more)

So have any of the dj’s who flew after the RAT tests since become covid positive. Who at the music festivals is sick?
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January 12, 2022 8:33pm
NK

I wonder what the Filipino nanny thinks.
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